Fw: [FedCom] DEA

[Jim Johnson]

Darn it!  I did that thing with the HTML format again!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim Johnson
To: Larry Van Horn, N5FPW ; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FedCom] DEA


Larry,

Thank you for the considerate reply and your restatement of the objectives 
of this list. Both Fedcom/ Milcom provide a great forum and source of 
information for the radio monitoring hobbyist.  My apologies if I 
misinterpreted the tone of your original comment.

Jim Johnson




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Larry Van Horn, N5FPW
To: Jim Johnson ; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FedCom] DEA


>If I might be afforded the opportunity to disagree, in part, with your 
>statement...

Tim, you and others are always welcomed to disagree and express your 
opinion, politefully with anyone on this list. But I would suggest you read 
my original post again. I was not blasting our list colleague for what he 
posted, when he posted or how he posted it. In fact, I defended his right to 
post to the list anyway he wants. Same applies to anyone else.

Keep in mind this is a radio list that was designed when I created it to 
exchange fed freqs and nothing more. No detailed conversations of he said, 
she said, or DEA is busting my neighbors house, etc. Just a polite friendly 
place to exchange freq info if a poster is so inclined. There is no arm 
twisting here for people to post anything if they don't want to, most folks 
including government folks just lurk here and that is just fine. And 
reporting that a particluar freq you believe from a particular agency is 
active in your area hurts no one, and violates no laws (unless they are in 
selected overseas countries).

I'm not one, and I expect others to do the same, to judge what is posted 
here as long as it is on topic.  That is rule #1. Rule number 2 when I 
created this list (and milcom/trunkcom), no flaming on or off list for what 
is posted here is allowed. And rule 3 have fun.

I personally cannot recall many folks post active operational details of any 
fed stuff here. Mostly freqs and as I said in my original post, if your in 
the clear, your fair game. No operational details, just a  freq.

>Having said that, however, I applaud Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps' in using, what 
>seems to be lacking in some folks,...good judgment >and some common sense . 
>There's nothing that can be more exciting than to come upon an active 
>surveillance detail in progress.  >But having the particulars of that 
>surveillance posted to the web, even before it's concluded, is potentially 
>putting our law >enforcement personnel in harm's way.  Are we as a group so 
>naive as to think that we have a "corner on the market" where radio 
> >monitoring is concerned and that the "bad guys" don't know these lists are 
>here for the viewing?

If a bad guy(s) is waiting for that one intercept on Fedcom to move on his 
op then he is not the sharpest knife in drawer. This horse has been beat so 
many times in the nearly 10 years these list have been in existence I wish I 
had a nickel everytime someone has brought it up. In reality there has never 
been and will never be someone who uses this or any other of the radio list 
to plan some sort of counter LE or illegal operation. We as radio monitors 
and yes this includes the bad guys, just don't have access to the good comms 
that could give that sort of intel. That occurs elsewhere in places our 
scanners can not hear or receive. Any other view of what we may or may not 
hear is a pretty inflated view of the capabilities we think we have.

I don't want to start a long thread on this, just let me say Tim I think you 
misunderstood my list post. If anyone here is upset with anyone posting a 
freq they may hear from time to time then you probably should not be here in 
the first place since that is was this list is for -- the exchange of 
frequency info.

Now let's go have some fun and good hunting,

73 de Larry

Larry Van Horn, N5FPW
ATC (AW)      USN (Ret)
Founding Father Milcom/Fedcom/Trunkcom