[FedCom] Fargo ND

Fri May 29 04:22:07 EDT 2009

Don't throw stones at a glass house. Everything you accused me of doing you just did yourself. You are equally as guilty for saying what you said in the public forum. 

So your words went through me like water. I do not listen to someone that does not practice what they preach.  

And I unlike you Chris fans, I'm not here for a popularity contest or to defend the "cool person" and could careless if you like me or not. What is this Middle School now?

That's like you posting in the group and stating. "Hi, I heard some traffic on 166.4375, anyone know who that is?"   And 3 other people post and say "yea, its US Customs"  

Now are you guys really that stupid??  These frequencies have been assigned to the same agencies for how many decades now? NOT ONE DAMN frequency you idiots have posted are new. I have a 500 pg book that I bought 7 years ago. Yep, frequencies still the same from obvious posters in here. We do not need a re post of the OBVIOUS, over and over. The frequencies that you guys post are nothing new other then, "oh, is it P25? " ooooo
And the frequencies that you guys think are new are not new at all. Just never used in your area till now. Morons !

I have been on this stupid group for 2 years. I never posted till recently because I am so fed up with the same ole bullshit boring postings. I do not need to fill my mailbox with a bunch of useless repetitive information. Which is why I posted, to try to stimulate some real information and do away with the everyday repetitive crap. Instead all I got was a bunch of I think Chris is cool fans and from 2 of the posters own words on the forum it seems they do NOT mind to be misinformed... WTF ?  

This group acts like some old farts at a Amusement Park watching a Farris wheel go round and round. And each time the wheel comes back around from its 360 evolution you guys say to yourself  "wow, is this new?"   

I am really disappointed from this group, I thought I came here to get a wealth of information and instead I got hot air.

In closing I will share my findings that are confirmed by radios I have read and person's I spoke to in the agency's involved. And yes, they use these as primary comms. NOT Mutual Operations as soom of you stupid ignorant people think.

469.55 Output {Thats right, output of the repeater, not input for you slow morans out there}  
Not giving you the input, I do not see why you need it anyway..

Repeater frequency is installed in at least 5 airports that I know of and used by the FBI Tactical Response team.    

FBI also uses 467.95 [AKA Med-9] 
{Again, repeater output not input and no the input is not 462.95}
I know, all of you will be scratches your heads for weeks on this one. But as you can see, the least likely is exactly what they want you to think. 

The UHF FBI Teams use "Fascinator" Encryption which is why they are not worryed about being on public safety frequencies and chose the location carefully as to not interfere with local systems.  The term is not classified so dont get your panties in a wade. If any of you have half a brain you should know what this is.  

Part # H796 Fascinator SecureNet 
comes in 3 parts and requires Top Secret clearance to buy from Motorola :

Part # NLE 9820A Fascinator module
Part # NLE 9850A DVP Hybrid
Part # NTN 4996 DVP/DES Staged Circuit Board

 Someone did mention they were moving to LPC-10E {Linear Predictive Coding} to be included in future modules. How, I do not know.
for more info go here http://www.otolith.com/otolith/olt/lpc.html

Also 155.00-169.00 was included in a FH Transcript radio model 26 I believe.
Agency Was Unknown.
 And the only way you would know they were there is by horizontal lines moving fast across a old tv set. I tested this myself and with a spectrum analizer. Very cool I must say so myself.  

Here is one more freebie

US Marshalls Special Operations Group 411.000 Simplex {Some of you know this frequency belonging to USSS}  But down south its confirmed USM

Feel free to talk your crap about me when I am gone. Trust me I wont go to bed crying. Since this group has proved useless from the past years I thank you guys for making it obvious that I no longer need this group to fill my inbox. And I just gave you more info in 30 seconds then you gave me in 2 years !

I am off this useless list. :)
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Sincerely,

Roberto Irizarry
President/CEO

Mutual Aid Supplies, Inc.

"Your one stop supply source"

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Grant Hopper <ghopper at eskimo.com> wrote:

From: Grant Hopper <ghopper at eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [FedCom] Fargo ND
To: "Discussion of Federal Government Communications" <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 12:48 AM

Well, it seems it's time for me to put my two cents in too.  Normally I
delete crap like what this thread has become, but sometimes a man needs to
raise his voice against tyranny....

If any one needs to be labeled as an ass, it is the sort of person who jumps
on others for sharing, even when it is 'the obvious.'  What's obvious to a
veteran, might not be so obvious to others.  And, who made anyone the list
police?  I sure as heck never gave anyone permission to ridicule, rebuke or
censor others on my behalf.  As far as I know, the only one who has any
moral (or censorship) authority are the list moderators and so far I haven't
heard them comment that Chris Parris' post(s) were inappropriate, out of
line, or contrary to list policy.  Therefore, they were appropriate, and
undoubtedly appreciated by many.

If one wants to make the argument that the poster has a responsibility to
vet, or determine the accuracy of a post of information, I won't disagree,
but I also won't require that there be a high threshold (or one that is
higher than what we hold news gathering agencies to.)  There are no
guarantees in life, and I never saw a requirement that you can only post
info that you can guarantee is 100% accurate.  Boy, if that were the
standard, how do we determine what 'accurate' means?

If one wants to try to hide behind an argument that the discussion is only
about identifying agencies that are using frequencies that are not their
original assignment, then one needs to know both who might have been
assigned to the frequency in question, and where the intruding user was
originally assigned.  So, once again, we see that things are not as
'obvious' as one might wish them to be.

Now, Roberto, you might have been having a bad day.  I don't know.  What I
do know is that your comments and specifically your berating Chris' offering
have been inappropriate.  I don't think any one here cares one bit how
veteran you are, or what you know (or what you think you know) or that you
are in the 2-way radio biz, or anything else for that matter when you start
acting like you are the list police and can determine what is ok to post and
what isn't ok.

If you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to offer, do so.  If you have negative
comments, keep them to yourself.  If you don't like a post, use the delete
key, otherwise, don't show your lack of culture and sense by acting like a
bully or know-it-all, and don't attack others for trying to constructively
add to a thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Mutual Aid Supplies,
Inc.
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:52 PM
To: Bill; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
Subject: Re: [FedCom] Fargo ND

Bill,

   You started emailing me in private which was fine and I honored that but
now since you took it public I will post my comments public as well.

   You obviously did not grasp the point of my statements and are getting
off of the subject of my post. I am not talking about Mutual Join
Operations. Any veteran Federal radio listener knows Joint operations occur
frequently. Any Veteran listener already knows all the common well known
Frequency coordination's. But that is not what I am referencing too. I am
referring to an agency actually having primary comms on a non Band plan
assigned frequency/ or frequencies and having the listener confirm it.

This occurs more then you know and I being a veteran Vendor for several
agencies know this all too well since I have read several radios and have
spoken to several people on the inside that confirm they do not like using
frequencies that people know of so they migrate elsewhere. And usually
migrate out of the federal band plan all together.

The whole point of me posting againest Chris is because someone posted a
frequency, and Chris jumps in and gives information on the obvious. That it
is a FPS frequency. So what? That may no longer be the primary user of that
frequency in the area that the person heard it. If it is the agency that is
assigned to that frequency then great !  Let the original poster confirm it.

Again, talking from experience, I have seen the radios and talked to the
agencies that have confirmed they do not always stay on the band plan
assignments.

So in closing I say. Don't assume. Assuming only makes an ass out of
yourself :)  

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Sincerely,

Roberto Irizarry
>
President/CEO

Mutual Aid Supplies, Inc.

"Your one stop supply source"

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