[FedCom] Troops Deploy to Border Areas

Wed Aug 4 19:39:46 EDT 2010

I'm trying to imagine a scenario in California where we wouldn't be arrested or sued for trying to assist the police in a crime scene. Even showing up to a crime scene due to what goes over the scanner seems shaky.

BTW, provoice has been cracked with DSD as found on radio reference. The program also does TRBO.  Provoice isn't encryption, but just a digital standard where the owner won't sell a license for decoding it. Needless to say, the author of DSD is a man of mystery. He posts source code, so the provoice cat is forever out of the bag.

There are edacs systems with real encryption too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Donovan <ironman68_1998 at yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:25:59 
To: Discussion of Federal Government Communications<fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
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	<fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [FedCom] Troops Deploy to Border Areas

I am a Deputy Sheriff and I hate encryption. We have a Pro Voice system here in Louisiana and no one can hear it and come to my aid. The state is rolling out a 700mhz P25 and hopefully we will be able to scan it. So far it is open but once it is on throughout the state it may be encrypted. We are a small rural department so citizens coming to help us sometimes could be a good thing. 
Duane 

--- On Wed, 8/4/10, Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] Troops Deploy to Border Areas
> To: "Discussion of Federal Government Communications" <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 12:27 PM
> I'm a scanning enthusiast who under
> normal conditions would never recommend
> a P-25 system that would affect my listening or anyone
> else' but after
> hearing from Maricopa deputies complaining that their
> movements are
> monitored via scanner on the Mexican side and the American
> side as much as
> it hurts to say it I think out of all the different 
> police agencies that
> are going P-25 this would be a situation where it makes the
> most sense to
> encrypt.
> 
> FYI I live in Sonoma County....I monitor a partial P-25
> system (Marin
> County) here where they encrypt a few TG's but most of the
> system is out in
> the open. But when I really think about it I'm actually
> glad that those TG's
> are encrypted because there are smart criminals out there
> and digital
> scanners are not hard to find.
> 
> -Roger
> 
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Duane Donovan <ironman68_1998 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > If they all go to full encryption we will not be able
> to hear anything. If
> you don't want to hear anything why do you listen?
> > Duane
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [FedCom] Troops Deploy to Border
> Areas
> >> To: "Discussion of Federal Government
> Communications" <
> fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 10:53 PM
> >> Interesting. I wonder if the BP
> >> simply issues the NG portables, vice
> >> versa, or if the NG has a way to "patch me through
> to Dano"
> >> to the
> >> BP's P-25 system?
> >>
> >> IMHO It would make sense for places like Maricopa
> County to
> >> consider a
> >> full blown P-25 system....too many "bad" prying
> ears
> >> listening for PD
> >> movements.
> >>
> >> -Roger
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Duane Donovan
> <ironman68_1998 at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > BP uses those P25 radios with full
> encryption. Back in
> >> 2003 and 2006 I went to South Texas and visited my
> sister's
> >> family. It was all in the clear. These days they
> are all
> >> encrypted. Now My sister lives in New York. When I
> go up
> >> there I will take my BC996T and see what I can
> find.
> >> >
> >> > Duane
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > From: Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [FedCom] Troops Deploy to
> Border
> >> Areas
> >> > > To: "Discussion of Federal Government
> >> Communications" <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> >> > > Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:26 PM
> >> > > And the deployment of the NG
> >> > > *started* August 1st with no actual date
> when
> >> > > they will actually be in place...just
> another
> >> foot dragging
> >> > > Obama dog and
> >> > > pony show that adds up to nothing but a
> facade
> >> &
> >> > > joke....and the joke is on
> >> > > the decent people of the people of
> places like
> >> southern
> >> > > Arizona who are
> >> > > literally being overrun. I mean, let's
> be fair
> >> here...the
> >> > > last
> >> > > Administration handled the
> border\Illegal
> >> Immigration
> >> > > issues very, very
> >> > > poorly too. Too many big people making
> big money
> >> off of
> >> > > Illegals and some
> >> > > that value them for their eventual votes
> hence
> >> the term
> >> > > "Undocumented
> >> > > Democrats". ;-) What a mess.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyway, back to monitoring part I
> suppose the BP
> >> and NG
> >> > > will have some sort
> >> > > of nifty encrypted radios for
> communicating or
> >> perhaps
> >> > > they'll use something
> >> > > as simple as Nextel?
> >> > >
> >> > > I was hoping Radio Reference might have
> somebody
> >> that was
> >> > > gutsy enough to
> >> > > setup a Border Patrol feed but that
> doesn't seem
> >> to be the
> >> > > case. ;-)
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?stid=4
> >> > >
> >> > > -Roger
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Duane
> Donovan
> >> <ironman68_1998 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > They can train on whatever they
> want. The BP
> >> agents
> >> > > have to babysit the NG.
> >> > > > The great pumkin might get them.
> NOT, repeat
> >> NOT
> >> > > ALLOWED at election time.
> >> > > > The drones are being used for
> speed
> >> enforcement of
> >> > > U>S> drivers. There will
> >> > > > be no, repeat no attempt to stop
> the
> >> illegals. If the
> >> > > NG carried ammo and
> >> > > > went out to actively enforce the
> border then
> >> they
> >> > > would acomplish something.
> >> > > > Duane
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- On Sun, 8/1/10, lists at lazygranch.com
> >> > > <lists at lazygranch.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > From: lists at lazygranch.com
> >> > > <lists at lazygranch.com>
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [FedCom] Troops
> Deploy to
> >> Border
> >> > > Areas
> >> > > > > To: "Discussion of Federal
> Government
> >> > > Communications" <
> >> > > > fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> >> > > > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010,
> 10:07 AM
> >> > > > > Its a dog and pony show unless
> the
> >> > > > > national guard frees up ICE
> personal
> >> who were
> >> > > doing the
> >> > > > > paperwork to get their boots
> on the
> >> ground.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If they are running Predator
> drones at
> >> the
> >> > > border, I could
> >> > > > > see the national guard aiding
> there.
> >> BTW, the
> >> > > guard trains
> >> > > > > on UAVs at KVCV.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: Duane Donovan <ironman68_1998 at yahoo.com>
> >> > > > > Sender: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >> > > > > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010
> 06:19:26
> >> > > > > To: Discussion of Federal
> Government
> >> > > Communications<
> >> > > > fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> >> > > > > Reply-To: Discussion of
> Federal
> >> Government
> >> > > Communications
> >> > > > >     <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [FedCom] Troops
> Deploy to
> >> Border
> >> > > Areas
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > My Brother-in-law is a Border
> Patrol
> >> Agent. The
> >> > > NG mans
> >> > > > > static posts and the BP agents
> have to
> >> stay with
> >> > > them to
> >> > > > > protect them from the drug
> cartels. No
> >> patrolling
> >> > > gets done.
> >> > > > > The NG has zero rounds. It is
> all a dog
> >> and pony
> >> > > show.
> >> > > > > Duane
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --- On Sat, 7/31/10, gary
> <lists at lazygranch.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > From: gary <lists at lazygranch.com>
> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [FedCom]
> Troops
> >> Deploy to
> >> > > Border Areas
> >> > > > > > To: "Discussion of
> Federal
> >> Government
> >> > > Communications"
> >> > > > > <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> >> > > > > > Date: Saturday, July 31,
> 2010,
> >> 8:12 PM
> >> > > > > > The original news reports
> said
> >> the
> >> > > > > > troops would be filing
> paper.
> >> Reality
> >> > > > > > is always another story.
> The
> >> government
> >> > > tries to
> >> > > > > avoid
> >> > > > > > appearances of
> >> > > > > > violating Posse
> Comitatus.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On 7/31/2010 4:27 PM,
> Chris Parris
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > National Guard
> troops are
> >> beginning
> >> > > their
> >> > > > > deployment
> >> > > > > > along the US-
> >> > > > > > > Mexico border.
> Troops will be
> >> deployed
> >> > > in Texas,
> >> > > > > New
> >> > > > > > Mexico, Arizona
> >> > > > > > > and California to
> help
> >> support the
> >> > > Border Patrol
> >> > > > > with
> >> > > > > > border security.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > <snip>
> >>
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