[FedCom] FedCom Digest, Vol 78, Issue 5

[Michael Rumberg]

This particular cop in question was a beat cop 100 yards away standing around securing the scene  from the massive crowd of 10 citizens watching an event in a public area.  He wasn't investigating anything.  



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On Aug 6, 2010 1:40 PM, olowy at yahoo.com <olowy at yahoo.com> wrote: 

So is the moral of the story cops don't like to be asked trival questions when investigating a cop being shot?







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On Aug 5, 2010 8:07 PM, Michael Rumberg <michael.rumberg at verizon.net> wrote: 



Eh, sorry, fat fingers. To finish:







The cop gets rude and intimidating - threatening to arrest me if I don't leave immediately.  When he sneers "no I don't know who you are" I said "then you don't know if I am engaged to Maj. XXXX's daughter, do you?"  (Maj X was the Cmdr of IAB).  Instantly his demeanor changes, he apologizes and then offers to find my friend. 







 No, I wasn't engaged to the girl, don't even know if she even exists,  I just happened to know the Cmdr's name.  :)







The point being, cops have almost unchecked of authority to screw with otherwise harmless non-interfering citizens with crappy laws like the one mentioned.  Just like they abuse the laws on recording a persons voice in public when video-taping them during performance of their official and public duties.







Even if you beat the charges, you still have a record and have gone through ridiculous stress and cost.







Now back to lurking.....



















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On Aug 5, 2010 10:26 PM, Michael Rumberg <michael.rumberg at verizon.net> wrote: 







I am sorry but that's just patently not correct.  People are arrested and charged ALL the time and never prosecuted.  That is NOT a civil rights violation.  Furthermore, there is absolutely no recourse for the citizen who now has his fingers blacked up and an arrest record.  Forever.  







Over-zealous, small-minded bully cops can seriously eff up your life over bullshoot crap like "interfering". Or even better, "resisting".   It happens all the time.  Just ask those Univ. of MD student who were recently arrested and charged for assault on a police horse.....







Most citizens aren't so lucky to find video that shows the cop, um, "embellished" the arrest report... Without the video that kid would never qualify for a TS or higher clearance.  







My personal experience:  







A few years ago an Fx Co cop was shot at a shopping center near my house during a drug buy (shot by his partner, btw).  I stopped by and asked an officer if a friend of mine (a cop) was there (was in his district).  The cop becomes immediately 



























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On Aug 5, 2010 2:01 PM, Dave Stewart <dave.stew at gmail.com> wrote: 







You're missing a couple things:















1. It says "...unless it is part of the duties of that person's







employment to view that scene or activities..." You're a journalist,







and it would be part of the duties of your employment.















2. You'd never find a D.A. who would file charges unless you were







REALLY impeding emergency workers, like parking in a manner where







emergency vehicles couldn't move in and around the scene, trying to







physically hold a firefighter from administering aid to a patient,







distracting an officer from an investigation, etc.  Simply looking at







them would never get filed, just because a cop doesn't like you







looking at them or somehow finds that distracting.  So, if you ever







got arrested and the DA doesn't file charges, the arresting agency now







has a civil rights violation to deal with.















On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:50 PM,  <terry at tvssr.com> wrote:







> Geez what a screwed up state! I have a reason to go to scenes (press).  However here in the Great State of Texas it's viewed a little differently. I've twice been given an award by the police department for going to the aid of an officer.







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> Once in an officer down/shots fired I chased the bad guy several miles until officers could intercept. Another was a foot chase in an industrial area where the officer became separated from his partner and his radio failed. I help him get the guy in cuffs (serious physical restraint) and loaned him a radio to direct incoming officers to our location.







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> There have been many others. In fact I responded to an MVA yesterday as a volunteer firefighter and a civilian motorist stopped and assisted with traffic direction until law enforcement arrived on scene.







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> I don't like folks that stop in the middle of a freeway to look but making it a crime to wonder down the street if your neighbors house is on fire, give me a break!







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> Just my off topic rant for the day and since it's off topic I'll let it drop!







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> 402.  (a) Every person who goes to the scene of an emergency, or







> stops at the scene of an emergency, for the purpose of viewing the







> scene or the activities of police officers, firefighters, emergency







> medical, or other emergency personnel, or military personnel coping







> with the emergency in the course of their duties during the time it







> is necessary for emergency vehicles or those personnel to be at the







> scene of the emergency or to be moving to or from the scene of the







> emergency for the purpose of protecting lives or property, unless it







> is part of the duties of that person's employment to view that scene







> or activities, and thereby impedes police officers, firefighters,







> emergency medical, or other emergency personnel or military







> personnel, in the performance of their duties in coping with the







> emergency, is guilty of a misdemeanor.







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> Note that 'impedes' is determined by the officer/fireman.  Just being there







> may 'impede' them by providing a distraction, etc.







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> See also: http://firstaid.about.com/od/medicallegal/a/07_no_good_sam.htm







> for a legal discussion of the 'Good Samaritan Law' in California, where a







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>> "I'm trying to imagine a scenario in California where we wouldn't be







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>> showing up to a crime scene due to what goes over the scanner seems







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>> Does california NOT have the "Good Samaritan Law"?







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