[FedCom] FedCom Digest, Vol 139, Issue 6

Mon Jun 24 22:08:04 EDT 2019

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>   1. Re: FedCom (~Bill)
>   2. Re: FedCom (~Bill)
>   3. Re: FedCom (gfdubois at juno.com)
>   4. Re: FedCom (Michael W Scheel)
>   5. Re: FedCom (bernieS)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:58:34 -0400
> From: "~Bill" <ecps92 at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Federal Government Communications'"
>    <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>, "'Arthur Samel'" <avram911 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
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> ENC on Amateur is illegal, sounds like someone is pulling someones chain
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of bernieS
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: Arthur Samel; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
> 
> I'm also in the Philadelphia area.  Speaking of encryption, the FBI operates
> a 2M P25 amateur repeater in Philadelphia that uses encryption.  A FBI
> employee who's a ham told me about it.  I forget the frequency, but can find
> out.  I just though it's interesting.  He told me the key isn't very hard to
> guess.
> 
> 
> At 02:43 PM 6/24/2019, Arthur Samel via FedCom wrote:
> 
>> here from Philadelphia area
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: KD7JYK DM09 <kd7jyk at earthlink.net>
>> To: Discussion of Federal Government Communications 
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>> Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2019 1:25 pm
>> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
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>> "How many FedCom list members are there?"
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>> 3, so far.
>> 
>> Kurt
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:11:53 -0400
> From: "~Bill" <ecps92 at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Federal Government Communications'"
>    <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>, <roypb at aol.com>
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> Bryan, here in New England we have noticed the opposite
> 
> Yea, some still use Zello and PTT Cellular devices, but they have been
> burned by relying on that technology.  Now used as an adjunct
> PM'ing someone and then finding out they are not your back-up as they are on
> VAC,  Opps.  And you are walking into the house alone
> 
> Hence the build out in regions of Massive ICE/BP Vote-Scan Networks
> 
> And then those of us in the hobby know, that it is NOT ALL ENC, but so many
> of the new Scanners need a data dump
> And folks don't want to SEARCH or Manually add the Data.
> 
> Then the Generic, it is ENC nothing to hear, moving along
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Bryan Herbert
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:15 PM
> To: roypb at aol.com; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
> 
> I think most of the conversation has gone to newer tech like RadioReference
> and Facebook groups.
> 
> Its also my understanding most agencies have gone to cellphones for everyday
> comms and some of the agencies that do still use radios are now encrypted.
> 
> Here in Las Vegas, FBI and USMS comms, with the exception of surveillances,
> are now encrypted. DHS FPS is still in the clear. I no longer hear TSA, but
> its likely just my location. BLM and NPS is still in the clear. USFS and
> NIFC has changed several freqs, HTF Forest Net is now on 172.2750.
> 
> On Monday, June 24, 2019, roypb--- via FedCom <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think people are hesitant ti post a lot with the rampant encryption 
>> threat.
>> Unfortunately, a lot of people are only passing info via pm, like in 
>> the "old days."
>> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Bryan Herbert - KE6ZGP
> Las Vegas, NV DM26jc USA
> http://twitter.com/ke6zgp
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:39:18 -0700
> From: gfdubois at juno.com
> To: fedcom at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
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>> I think most of the conversation has gone to newer tech like
>> RadioReference and Facebook groups.
> 
> Well, I've always favored newsgroups because I'm basically lazy and they
> require no effort on my part. 
> I guess there's an Oregon discussion group on RadioReference and there's
> InterceptNW in the Seattle area but you have to log in, etc., etc.
> It's not worth the effort.
> 
> But that's just me.
> 
> I still enjoy listening to milair. And it's 90% in the clear! 
> The Forest Service is still good old analog FM, but their UHF links went
> digital/clear some few years ago. 
> 
> 
> George 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:33:53 -0500
> From: Michael W Scheel <mws1972 at gmail.com>
> To: Fedcom at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
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> I have found the newer scanners are operated (if that is the correct 
> word) by people who are clueless in how to search or even program a 
> frequency if it was not in the latest data dump.
> 
>> On 2019-06-24 5:11 PM, ~Bill wrote:
>> Bryan, here in New England we have noticed the opposite
>> 
>> Yea, some still use Zello and PTT Cellular devices, but they have been
>> burned by relying on that technology.  Now used as an adjunct
>> PM'ing someone and then finding out they are not your back-up as they are on
>> VAC,  Opps.  And you are walking into the house alone
>> 
>> Hence the build out in regions of Massive ICE/BP Vote-Scan Networks
>> 
>> And then those of us in the hobby know, that it is NOT ALL ENC, but so many
>> of the new Scanners need a data dump
>> And folks don't want to SEARCH or Manually add the Data.
>> 
>> Then the Generic, it is ENC nothing to hear, moving along
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Bryan Herbert
>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:15 PM
>> To: roypb at aol.com; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
>> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
>> 
>> I think most of the conversation has gone to newer tech like RadioReference
>> and Facebook groups.
>> 
>> Its also my understanding most agencies have gone to cellphones for everyday
>> comms and some of the agencies that do still use radios are now encrypted.
>> 
>> Here in Las Vegas, FBI and USMS comms, with the exception of surveillances,
>> are now encrypted. DHS FPS is still in the clear. I no longer hear TSA, but
>> its likely just my location. BLM and NPS is still in the clear. USFS and
>> NIFC has changed several freqs, HTF Forest Net is now on 172.2750.
>> 
>> On Monday, June 24, 2019, roypb--- via FedCom <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think people are hesitant ti post a lot with the rampant encryption
>>> threat.
>>> Unfortunately, a lot of people are only passing info via pm, like in
>>> the "old days."
>>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Bryan Herbert - KE6ZGP
>> Las Vegas, NV DM26jc USA
>> http://twitter.com/ke6zgp
>> http://bryanherbert.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:38:54 -0400
> From: bernieS <bernies at panix.com>
> To: fedcom at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
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> Yes, encryption on amateur radio is illegal if one of us does 
> it.  The FBI personnel who built the 2M encrypted repeater system 
> (one of whom is a friend) found a legal loophole.  Do you really 
> believe the FCC will issue a NAL against FBI?  The repeater is rarely 
> used.  They had some money and gear left over and decided to put it 
> up.  No joke.
> 
> 
> At 05:58 PM 6/24/2019, ~Bill wrote:
>> ENC on Amateur is illegal, sounds like someone is pulling someones chain
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of bernieS
>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 3:24 PM
>> To: Arthur Samel; Discussion of Federal Government Communications
>> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
>> 
>> I'm also in the Philadelphia area.  Speaking of encryption, the FBI operates
>> a 2M P25 amateur repeater in Philadelphia that uses encryption.  A FBI
>> employee who's a ham told me about it.  I forget the frequency, but can find
>> out.  I just though it's interesting.  He told me the key isn't very hard to
>> guess.
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:43 PM 6/24/2019, Arthur Samel via FedCom wrote:
>> 
>>> here from Philadelphia area
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: KD7JYK DM09 <kd7jyk at earthlink.net>
>>> To: Discussion of Federal Government Communications
>>> <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2019 1:25 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [FedCom] FedCom
>>> 
>>> "How many FedCom list members are there?"
>>> 
>>> 3, so far.
>>> 
>>> Kurt
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