[FedCom] Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory-GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501

[Roger Strohmeyer]

Another FWIW tonight as I have heard a lot of in-the-open traffic on Lab
Fire 1 TG 31 and the Fire crews have been working floor-to-foor trying to
track something.....maybe a leak of some sort? They're using Scott-Air in
conjunction with the radio.

-Roger

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 10:40 PM Roger Strohmeyer <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Interesting. Here's a write up on the Moto ADP encryption snafu
>
> *Motorola Removes ADP Encryption as Included Option from Radio*:
> https://www.rrmediagroup.com/News/NewsDetails/NewsID/16202
>
> FWIW A few days ago I heard GGNRA admin TG 535 brief in the clear traffic
> and then tonight I heard Lab Fire 2 TG 32 in the clear traffic between a
> dispatcher and a truck.
>
> -Roger
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 2:33 PM tvsjr at tvsjr.com <tvsjr at tvsjr.com> wrote:
>
>> Moto radios ship with single-key AES at no cost these days for interop
>> requirements (their software-only, proprietary ADP got them in dutch with
>> DHS). If you don't need multiple keys, aren't running a KMF, etc.,
>> implementing single-key crypto is as simple as entering the key into CPS.
>>
>> Now, do USG requirements render this option untenable and require the
>> high-dollar hardware multikey options, a KMF, periodic rekeying, etc.? That
>> wouldn't be shocking. But making it happen technically isn't hard.
>>
>> -tvs
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Behalf Of Roger Strohmeyer
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>> Subject: Re: [FedCom] Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory-GGNRA LE 1
>> TGID 501
>>
>> Hey Jeff, you would think everything would be encrypted but it's not. In
>> fact, I had to lock out a couple of in-the-clear security groups. The
>> encrypted radios are probably not cheap to purchase\operate\maintain so
>> they most likely only encrypt what they deem extremely necessary. (just
>> guessing here)
>>
>> All the Lawrence Livermore frequency info is up on Radio Reference...it
>> just hasn't been updated since 2018:
>> https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=6781
>>
>> -Roger
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:36 AM Jeff Kenyon <jkenyon7 at rochester.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Isn’t everything on that system encrypted?  A long time ago I read
>> > somewhere they didn’t even want their frequencies or any information
>> > on their system published on radioreference.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Roger Strohmeyer
>> > > <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Howdy all,
>> > >
>> > > The first traffic I heard on GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501 a couple of months
>> > > ago
>> > was
>> > > encrypted. Today I was encouraged to hear a brief transmission GGNRA
>> > > LE 1 TGID 501 that was in the clear. Then again, it could be the
>> > > radio shop techs who tend to use radios that are in the clear when
>> > > testing but I am hopeful that's not the case.....not that the GGNRA
>> > > is super interesting
>> > but
>> > > I always included listening to them at Blue Angels sir shows at Fort
>> > > Baker\Sausalito etc.
>> > >
>> > > The GGNRA was once in-the-clear on the Marin County MERA radio
>> > > communications system but moved over to the Lawrence Livermore
>> > > National Laboratory radio system when it came online.
>> > >
>> > > -Roger in Sonoma County
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