[FedCom] Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory-GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501

[tvsjr at tvsjr.com]

Moto radios ship with single-key AES at no cost these days for interop requirements (their software-only, proprietary ADP got them in dutch with DHS). If you don't need multiple keys, aren't running a KMF, etc., implementing single-key crypto is as simple as entering the key into CPS.

Now, do USG requirements render this option untenable and require the high-dollar hardware multikey options, a KMF, periodic rekeying, etc.? That wouldn't be shocking. But making it happen technically isn't hard.

-tvs

-----Original Message-----
From: fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net <fedcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Roger Strohmeyer
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:25 PM
To: Discussion of Federal Government Communications <fedcom at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [FedCom] Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory-GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501

Hey Jeff, you would think everything would be encrypted but it's not. In fact, I had to lock out a couple of in-the-clear security groups. The encrypted radios are probably not cheap to purchase\operate\maintain so they most likely only encrypt what they deem extremely necessary. (just guessing here)

All the Lawrence Livermore frequency info is up on Radio Reference...it just hasn't been updated since 2018:
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=6781

-Roger

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:36 AM Jeff Kenyon <jkenyon7 at rochester.rr.com>
wrote:

> Isn’t everything on that system encrypted?  A long time ago I read 
> somewhere they didn’t even want their frequencies or any information 
> on their system published on radioreference.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Roger Strohmeyer 
> > <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy all,
> >
> > The first traffic I heard on GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501 a couple of months 
> > ago
> was
> > encrypted. Today I was encouraged to hear a brief transmission GGNRA 
> > LE 1 TGID 501 that was in the clear. Then again, it could be the 
> > radio shop techs who tend to use radios that are in the clear when 
> > testing but I am hopeful that's not the case.....not that the GGNRA 
> > is super interesting
> but
> > I always included listening to them at Blue Angels sir shows at Fort 
> > Baker\Sausalito etc.
> >
> > The GGNRA was once in-the-clear on the Marin County MERA radio 
> > communications system but moved over to the Lawrence Livermore 
> > National Laboratory radio system when it came online.
> >
> > -Roger in Sonoma County
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