[FedCom] Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory-GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501

[Roger Strohmeyer]

Interesting. Here's a write up on the Moto ADP encryption snafu

*Motorola Removes ADP Encryption as Included Option from Radio*:
https://www.rrmediagroup.com/News/NewsDetails/NewsID/16202

FWIW A few days ago I heard GGNRA admin TG 535 brief in the clear traffic
and then tonight I heard Lab Fire 2 TG 32 in the clear traffic between a
dispatcher and a truck.

-Roger

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 2:33 PM tvsjr at tvsjr.com <tvsjr at tvsjr.com> wrote:

> Moto radios ship with single-key AES at no cost these days for interop
> requirements (their software-only, proprietary ADP got them in dutch with
> DHS). If you don't need multiple keys, aren't running a KMF, etc.,
> implementing single-key crypto is as simple as entering the key into CPS.
>
> Now, do USG requirements render this option untenable and require the
> high-dollar hardware multikey options, a KMF, periodic rekeying, etc.? That
> wouldn't be shocking. But making it happen technically isn't hard.
>
> -tvs
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> TGID 501
>
> Hey Jeff, you would think everything would be encrypted but it's not. In
> fact, I had to lock out a couple of in-the-clear security groups. The
> encrypted radios are probably not cheap to purchase\operate\maintain so
> they most likely only encrypt what they deem extremely necessary. (just
> guessing here)
>
> All the Lawrence Livermore frequency info is up on Radio Reference...it
> just hasn't been updated since 2018:
> https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=6781
>
> -Roger
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:36 AM Jeff Kenyon <jkenyon7 at rochester.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Isn’t everything on that system encrypted?  A long time ago I read
> > somewhere they didn’t even want their frequencies or any information
> > on their system published on radioreference.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Roger Strohmeyer
> > > <roger.stroh at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy all,
> > >
> > > The first traffic I heard on GGNRA LE 1 TGID 501 a couple of months
> > > ago
> > was
> > > encrypted. Today I was encouraged to hear a brief transmission GGNRA
> > > LE 1 TGID 501 that was in the clear. Then again, it could be the
> > > radio shop techs who tend to use radios that are in the clear when
> > > testing but I am hopeful that's not the case.....not that the GGNRA
> > > is super interesting
> > but
> > > I always included listening to them at Blue Angels sir shows at Fort
> > > Baker\Sausalito etc.
> > >
> > > The GGNRA was once in-the-clear on the Marin County MERA radio
> > > communications system but moved over to the Lawrence Livermore
> > > National Laboratory radio system when it came online.
> > >
> > > -Roger in Sonoma County
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