From g.doemling at verizon.net  Fri Aug  1 00:41:12 2008
From: g.doemling at verizon.net (Gregory)
Date: Fri Aug  1 00:46:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] LESU 5 and 7 Schematic for Model 28's
Message-ID: <000a01c8f390$d3698fd0$1700a8c0@hal9000>

Hi All,

Anybody have a schematic for an LESU 5/110 or LESU 7/176 for a model 28??
I?ve been digging on the net but haven?t found one.

Thanks,
Greg Doemling
g.doemling@verizon.net

From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Fri Aug  1 14:47:40 2008
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Fri Aug  1 14:50:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] telex to teletype
Message-ID: <48935A4C.3020604@9-5usa.org>

Hi, folks
I'm new to the list.  I've recently acquired a Model 32 telex machine 
and want to convert it to teletype for use on RTTY.  I have gotten a 
gear set for 60wpm but a local ham who used to work on TTYs said I'd 
also need to make some wiring changes.  I've placed some photos of the 
machine on my webserver and if you'd like you can see them at 
http://www.9-5usa.org/TTY.  My local friend would probably do the work 
for me but he doesn't have any schematics and there were none with the 
machine.

Comments, questions, or derogatory remarks are welcome.

73
Kevin
KE5CQJ
From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  1 17:43:35 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri Aug  1 17:48:58 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] telex to teletype
In-Reply-To: <48935A4C.3020604@9-5usa.org>
References: <48935A4C.3020604@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808011643030.4509@localhost.localdomain>

I tried to send you a replay and it bounced.  Please send me an email
address that works.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From KC0NNC at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 18:14:42 2008
From: KC0NNC at aol.com (KC0NNC@aol.com)
Date: Fri Aug  1 18:20:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] telex to teletype
Message-ID: <c10.3e9ea1fb.35c4e4d2@aol.com>

re-send using "reply all"
 
 
send us all an email address that works please....
 
use "reply all" as for some reason, if you do a "simple" reply, it returns 
only to the commenting sender, which in the case was jhhaynes AT earthlink DOT 
net
 
 
many of us are still trying to figure out what the operating instructions for 
this reflector really are.
 
A few of us are keeping notes, and one day will know how and what it needs to 
eat for breakfast in order to allow simple correspondence to work well.
 
Should there be one individual out there who knows what the rules of this 
road are, perhaps he could help us folks that are over 60 years of age, and 
publish the present list of rules ...

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

KC0NNC@aol.com


73's



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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Fri Aug  1 19:51:07 2008
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
Date: Fri Aug  1 19:56:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] telex to teletype
In-Reply-To: <c10.3e9ea1fb.35c4e4d2@aol.com>
References: <c10.3e9ea1fb.35c4e4d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6951.67.142.130.22.1217634667.squirrel@9-5usa.org>

Hi, Wayne
No, not yet.  I may have mentioned that I cleaned the distributor as best
I could.  I also tried re-setting the rangefinder to about 65 (from the 80
it was set on) but that did not work either.  The local guy hasn't had a
chance to take a look yet.

Best,
Kevin

(my direct e-mail address is:  kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)  Thanks.



> re-send using "reply all"
>
>
> send us all an email address that works please....
>
> use "reply all" as for some reason, if you do a "simple" reply, it returns
> only to the commenting sender, which in the case was jhhaynes AT earthlink
> DOT
> net
>
>
> many of us are still trying to figure out what the operating instructions
> for
> this reflector really are.
>
> A few of us are keeping notes, and one day will know how and what it needs
> to
> eat for breakfast in order to allow simple correspondence to work well.
>
> Should there be one individual out there who knows what the rules of this
> road are, perhaps he could help us folks that are over 60 years of age,
> and
> publish the present list of rules ...
>
> Harvey E. Smith
> 2020 Baculite Mesa Road
> Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
> 719 406 9735
>
> fka WA0BBG
> nka KC0NNC
>
> HarveyEsmith@aol.com
>
> KC0NNC@aol.com
>
>
> 73's
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
> budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017
> )
>

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  1 22:33:04 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri Aug  1 22:38:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] telex to teletype
In-Reply-To: <6951.67.142.130.22.1217634667.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
References: <c10.3e9ea1fb.35c4e4d2@aol.com>
	<6951.67.142.130.22.1217634667.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808012129450.6112@localhost.localdomain>

>
> (my direct e-mail address is:  kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)  Thanks.
>
>
That's the address that is rejecting mail from me

   kh-phillips@9-5usa.org
     SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL
FROM:<jhhaynes@earthlink.net>:
     host mail.9-5usa.org [71.113.222.213]: 550 5.7.1 Rejected:
     209.86.89.65 listed at dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net


I guess that means your ISP doesn't like the address I am coming from.
Since it's a dialup address it varies from one session to the next.

I'll try again with whatever my IP address is now and maybe it will
go through.


From alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Aug  2 04:34:23 2008
From: alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk (Alf Fisher)
Date: Sat Aug  2 04:39:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ASR33 Connection
References: <48935A4C.3020604@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <FE7704EDC06741D9BA237E311CD95163@ALFSTUDY>

Hi, guys,
I have a model ASR33 and would like to know what interface it is fitted with 
so I can connect it and make it work again.
It has a 44 way edge connector on the end of the signal cable and used to 
work with a mini computer of some kind - possibly based on DEC components.
I have some photographs but dont know how they can be posted for all to see.
Any help appreciated.

73
Alf
G3WSD

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  2 13:16:39 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat Aug  2 13:22:06 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 and RTTY TU in NW Iowa
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021212460.3229@localhost.localdomain>

on ebay with a little more than a day to go and so far no bids starting
at $4.99.  Pickup only.

http://tinyurl.com/5nufhw   or ebay item 120288306984

Is anybody interested?  I've gone to some ridiculous lengths to save
an old Teletype from the dumpster, but this is a bit much even for me,
here in NW Arkansas.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

From alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Aug  2 15:07:11 2008
From: alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk (Alf Fisher)
Date: Sat Aug  2 15:12:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ASR33 Connections - help please
Message-ID: <1404352228124B579B7D9BBB7848F669@ALFSTUDY>

Hi guys,
I have a Teletype Model ASR33 and would like to know what interface it is 
fitted with so that I can connect to it and make it work again.

It has a 44 way connector on the end of the signal cable and used to work 
with some kind of mini computer - possibly DEC based.

Thanks to Sam Hallas, there are now four pics on his website at 
http://www.samhallas.cwc.net/greenkeys/ showing a side view of the machine, 
the driver board and the signal cable connector.

There is a group of 8 or so square nylon connectors at the back of the 
machine but I haven't yet identified which connector goes where.
If someone can tell me whether it is an RS-232 or current loop interface and 
which pins of which connector to use, it would be much appreciated.

Many thanks.

73
Alf
G3WSD


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  2 16:34:38 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat Aug  2 16:40:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ASR33 Connections - help please
In-Reply-To: <1404352228124B579B7D9BBB7848F669@ALFSTUDY>
References: <1404352228124B579B7D9BBB7848F669@ALFSTUDY>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021534050.8069@localhost.localdomain>

I tried to send you some information, but seems your ISP is blacklisting
my ISP.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Sat Aug  2 17:05:59 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Sat Aug  2 17:03:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 and RTTY TU in NW Iowa
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021212460.3229@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <001e01c8f4e3$924ef220$0201a8c0@system1>

Yes, I looked at that one very carefully!   Afterall I am in SW WI so, you
say,  why doesn't he just "run over" and pick it up?"  Well, simply because
you can't get any farther west and still be in Iowa!   It takes a    l  o  n
g  t  i  m  e   to drive clear across Iowa and the gas alone would make a
$200 bill look sick!  I did save a 28KSR a year and a half ago and that was
a "just across lake michigan" that took over 14 hours of driving to
accomplish!   Isn't there someone is Omaha?  That isn't too far!   This
situation is not easily correctable!   If you read literature from the
League they don't even bother to mention teletype machines in the same
breath as RTTY.   I would be hard pressed to find any technician class
amateur that I know who would even know about the word "Teletype."

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
To: <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 and RTTY TU in NW Iowa


> on ebay with a little more than a day to go and so far no bids starting
> at $4.99.  Pickup only.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5nufhw   or ebay item 120288306984
>
> Is anybody interested?  I've gone to some ridiculous lengths to save
> an old Teletype from the dumpster, but this is a bit much even for me,
> here in NW Arkansas.
>
>
> jhhaynes at earthlink dot net
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>


From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Sat Aug  2 17:08:23 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Sat Aug  2 17:13:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ASR33 Connections - help please
Message-ID: <d17.309583df.35c626c7@aol.com>

Alf,
 
Most 33's are current loop.  If the large green resistor in the UCC-6 has 
wire on its outside connections, its 20 MA.  The connections (on the terminal 
strip where AC power comes in are) for input and output full duplex are:
 
TTY send, 3 and 4                P2     5 and 6
TTY receive, 6 and 7             P2     7 and 8
 
It sounds like you already have a connection or cable on it for computer.  
Dont throw away the cable as you may need it.  The above pins are in parallel 
with molex P2 on the rear of the UCC-6.  
 
Wayne



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From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  2 18:25:39 2008
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Sat Aug  2 17:30:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 and RTTY TU in NW Iowa
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021212460.3229@localhost.localdomain>
	<001e01c8f4e3$924ef220$0201a8c0@system1>
Message-ID: <019801c8f4ee$b1c39d80$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3@centurytel.net>
To: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>; <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 19 and RTTY TU in NW Iowa


> Yes, I looked at that one very carefully!   Afterall I am in SW WI so, you
> say,  why doesn't he just "run over" and pick it up?"  Well, simply 
> because
> you can't get any farther west and still be in Iowa!   It takes a    l  o 
> n
> g  t  i  m  e   to drive clear across Iowa and the gas alone would make a
> $200 bill look sick!  I did save a 28KSR a year and a half ago and that 
> was
> a "just across lake michigan" that took over 14 hours of driving to
> accomplish!   Isn't there someone is Omaha?  That isn't too far!   This
> situation is not easily correctable!   If you read literature from the
> League they don't even bother to mention teletype machines in the same
> breath as RTTY.   I would be hard pressed to find any technician class
> amateur that I know who would even know about the word "Teletype."
>
> 73
>
> Lee   K9WRU


It probably would be hard to find a tech class that knew a teletype machine. 
I was a tech that had a model 19 (still have it) and built a st-6 from a 
schematic in Ham Radio.  There was a group of about 15 or 20 that had a 
repeater on the 220 mhz band just for rtty.  That was about 20 -25 years 
ago.   I did copy a bunch of the pix off 20 meters at that time.

I did upgrade to extra a while back and finally got on the low bands, but 
have not used it to transmitt with.

Wish some of the mechanical stuff would show up within  a couple of hours 
drive from the middle of North Carolina.

From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  2 18:27:15 2008
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy@earthlink.net)
Date: Sat Aug  2 18:32:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ASR33 Connections - help please
Message-ID: <14448321.1217716035654.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Alf:  You have a Private Line version Model 33.  It runs on current
loop signals.  For a wiring diagram for this set, go to:

http://www.hertzmail.com/TTY/TeletypeManuals/Model32-33/WD/model33_line_set.pdf

Eugene Hertz has been kind enough to provide this resource on-line.  Your
point of focus will be the terminal strip where the power and signal lines
terminate.  Look on the bottom left of page 11 and you will see the terminal
strip that is designated X.  Looking at the connector, it appears that there
is only a send pair and a receive pair.  That should make things simple.
Good luck with your project.  Regards,  Jerry Murphy


-----Original Message-----
>From: Alf Fisher <alf_fisher@tiscali.co.uk>
>Sent: Aug 2, 2008 3:07 PM
>To: Greenkeys <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ASR33 Connections - help please
>
>Hi guys,
>I have a Teletype Model ASR33 and would like to know what interface it is 
>fitted with so that I can connect to it and make it work again.
>
>It has a 44 way connector on the end of the signal cable and used to work 
>with some kind of mini computer - possibly DEC based.
>
>Thanks to Sam Hallas, there are now four pics on his website at 
>http://www.samhallas.cwc.net/greenkeys/ showing a side view of the machine, 
>the driver board and the signal cable connector.
>
>There is a group of 8 or so square nylon connectors at the back of the 
>machine but I haven't yet identified which connector goes where.
>If someone can tell me whether it is an RS-232 or current loop interface and 
>which pins of which connector to use, it would be much appreciated.
>
>Many thanks.
>
>73
>Alf
>G3WSD
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>GreenKeys mailing list
>GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys



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Date: Sun Aug  3 18:11:59 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] spam filter test
Message-ID: <20080803.170426.2600.1.kf9nz@juno.com>

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From w7tty at readysetsurf.com  Mon Aug  4 00:43:47 2008
From: w7tty at readysetsurf.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Mon Aug  4 00:49:25 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up
Message-ID: <000301c8f5ec$af200f60$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>

GreenKeyers - - -

ITTY's recent failure was due to a hard drive that has given up the 
Ghost.

I could not get to it immediately as I was in Seattle and the 
computer is here in Sequim. Also, I had to work Saturday, and when I 
got to Sequim I was not worth a tinker's damn as far as getting 
anything fixed.

Today was divided between ITTY and getting some light fixtures 
installed in a building out back of the house.

ITTY got more done to it than the light fixture task.

Needless to say, everything seems to be fine now. XP has a number of 
things which upon install are not optimized for ITTY, so between Bill 
and myself we finally got all of the sand traps, pungi stake pits, 
and what have you sorted out.

Y'all have a nice Summer.

George - W7TTY - ITTY Central



From chrise at pobox.com  Mon Aug  4 13:32:09 2008
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Mon Aug  4 13:37:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up
In-Reply-To: <000301c8f5ec$af200f60$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>
References: <000301c8f5ec$af200f60$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>
Message-ID: <20080804173209.GB8950@n0jcf.net>

On Sunday (08/03/2008 at 09:43PM -0700), George B. Hutchison wrote:
>
> Needless to say, everything seems to be fine now. XP has a number of things 
> which upon install are not optimized for ITTY, so between Bill and myself 
> we finally got all of the sand traps, pungi stake pits, and what have you 
> sorted out.

Those of us running Linux have always known that Windows is just one
big trous de loup.

LOL.

-- 
Chris Elmquist
mailto:chrise@pobox.com
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  4 13:41:24 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon Aug  4 13:47:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up
In-Reply-To: <20080804173209.GB8950@n0jcf.net>
References: <000301c8f5ec$af200f60$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>
	<20080804173209.GB8950@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <48973F44.10302@bellsouth.net>

Chris Elmquist wrote:

> Those of us running Linux have always known that Windows is just one
> big trous de loup.

REAL computers run CP/M!
(D&RFC!)
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From m0ycm at veenstras.com  Mon Aug  4 14:00:19 2008
From: m0ycm at veenstras.com (Lester Veenstra)
Date: Mon Aug  4 14:05:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up
In-Reply-To: <48973F44.10302@bellsouth.net>
References: <000301c8f5ec$af200f60$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP><20080804173209.GB8950@n0jcf.net>
	<48973F44.10302@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <6756169F87834B6EBC19D651E39D4FB6@hp>

Which if course was written as a student exercise at NPG Monterrey


Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM


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-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Randy or Sherry
Guttery
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:41 PM
Cc: GreenKeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up

Chris Elmquist wrote:

> Those of us running Linux have always known that Windows is just one
> big trous de loup.

REAL computers run CP/M!
(D&RFC!)
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
_______________________________________________
GreenKeys mailing list
GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From wb6blv at inreach.com  Mon Aug  4 14:13:43 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Mon Aug  4 14:19:25 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidts
Message-ID: <00de01c8f65d$d54c54c0$5888fea9@dwilegal>

Anybody on the list know where a TT-98, 99, or 100 might be available?  Got
rid of mine some years back and really need one of those machines now
(electronic gear shift project)... also foolishly sent the TT-4A with it!

John
WB6BLV@inreach.com

From ddillman at igc.org  Mon Aug  4 14:37:29 2008
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Mon Aug  4 14:43:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] FS: TT-76, TT-4 Pick Up SFO
Message-ID: <15255980.1217875049408.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


For sale, pick up only in San Francisco:

TT-76, excellent physical condition, with cords and books, runs, never used on line, $100

TT-4, good physical condition, with outer case and TM, last used at Military Radio Collectors Group meet, $75

These items are for pick up only in San Francisco. If you have any interest or need further information please contact me off line.

Best,

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman, W6AWO
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================
From ddillman at igc.org  Mon Aug  4 14:47:21 2008
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Mon Aug  4 14:52:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] "Klein" Repair?
Message-ID: <11183164.1217875641548.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


I'm a member of the group, the Maritime Radio Historical Society, that has restored ex-RCA coast station KPH to operation.  We operate our own coast station, KSM, each Saturday using all the original KPH equipment.

We have several Kleinschmidt ("Klines", as they were called) two level Wheatstone perforators that were used to make the station "wheel",  a loop of tape with the repeating message stating that KPH was open for traffic and what frequencies the station was listening on.

That function was accomplished by an A-TRONIX keyboard during the last years of station operation, as it is now.  But we'd like to put the Kleins back in service.

They work now.  They punch tape and try to pull the tape through the machine.  But the sprocket holes get torn up and even with manual pulling we can't get a properly punched tape.

We're good at fixing transmitters, antennas and receivers but not so good at this type of equipment.  I wonder if anyone on the list might be willing to go through one of our Kleins (books available)?

We use Boehme keying heads to read the tapes.  These need a bit of work too since the pins tend to punch their own holes in the tape.

Any guidance will be appreciated.

Regards,

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman, W6AWO
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================
From ddillman at igc.org  Mon Aug  4 14:57:49 2008
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Mon Aug  4 15:03:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Order Wire
Message-ID: <28200228.1217876269186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


I thought that Greenkeys members might enjoy knowing that we plan to restore the TTY order wire at KSM.

As most members doubtless know, large coast stations typically had separate transmitting and receiving stations.  Early on, these stations communicated by land line telegraph to coordinate transmitter changes, equipment failures, etc.  Later, land line teleprinters replaced the keys and sounders.  We actually have a couple of rolls of TTY paper from the order wire at KFS which makes fascinating reading.

Right now our order wire is a VHF voice circuit.  It works but it is certainly not authentic to the station.  The MRHS transmitting staff have made good progress toward restoring the TTY link between the two stations, which will be much more satisfying.  As part of that, the land line key and sounder system will be restored too!

We'll be using a Model 28ASR at the receive site.  It hasn't been decided what we'll use at the transmitting site yet.  But whatever it is I can't wait to send five bells followed by "THE 8MC TRANSMITTER IF OFF LINE WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING DOWN THERE?"

Too much fun...

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman, W6AWO
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  4 15:34:50 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon Aug  4 15:40:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up
In-Reply-To: <6756169F87834B6EBC19D651E39D4FB6@hp>
References: <000301c8f5ec$af200f60$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP><20080804173209.GB8950@n0jcf.net>
	<48973F44.10302@bellsouth.net>
	<6756169F87834B6EBC19D651E39D4FB6@hp>
Message-ID: <489759DA.6070600@bellsouth.net>

Lester Veenstra wrote:
> Which if course was written as a student exercise at NPG Monterrey

I didn't know that... interesting!

> Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

Guam has cell phones????   WOW!  I guess things have progressed a bit 
there since we left there Dec. 1975...  Back then we felt lucky if the 
phones (land lines) worked half the time - and Piti Power Plant worked 
most of the time - until a storm came through...

Then again - I heard the other day they now have more than one traffic 
light... So I guess cell phones shouldn't be a surprise!

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From jack.rubin at ameritech.net  Tue Aug  5 04:59:48 2008
From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin)
Date: Tue Aug  5 05:05:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] CP/M history -
Message-ID: <8DD2D30DA0E942349D0E86BBA13424BC@obie>

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:00:19 +0100
From: "Lester Veenstra" <m0ycm@veenstras.com>
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] ITTY Is Up
To: <comcents@bellsouth.net>
Cc: 'GreenKeys' <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <6756169F87834B6EBC19D651E39D4FB6@hp>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Which if course was written as a student exercise at NPG Monterrey

*****************************************************

Lester is one of the last people I'd want to contradict, but his response to
Randy is flat out wrong. CP/M was written by Gary Kildall while he was an
instructor at the Naval Post Graduate School but it was hardly a student
exercise. Kildall was an accomplished programmer and consultant to Intel
from the birth of the microprocessor. His first work for them included
compilers for the 8008 written in 1973.

The history of CP/M and Digital Research, the company that Gary formed to
market it, is available in many places on the web but one of the most
comprehensive and up-to-date resources is offered by Herb Johnson at
http://retrotechnology.net/dri/d_dri_history.html#summary .

I'm a radio/RTTY newbie but I've been using CP/M since the mid '70s and
still have it running on several vintage and modern systems. It's also alive
and well on several simulators which run on modern PCs if anyone feels a
yearning for the good/bad old days!

73 de KC9HVE,
Jack 

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  5 10:28:57 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug  5 10:34:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: OT CP/M history -
In-Reply-To: <8DD2D30DA0E942349D0E86BBA13424BC@obie>
References: <8DD2D30DA0E942349D0E86BBA13424BC@obie>
Message-ID: <489863A9.7020207@bellsouth.net>

Jack Rubin wrote:

> Lester is one of the last people I'd want to contradict, but his response to
> Randy is flat out wrong. 

This being off-topic on Greenkeys is the reason I answered the way I 
did- but Jack is quite correct. I never met Gary face to face - but I 
had corresponded with him on several occasions "back in the day". One 
particular instance was when I was writing the high-speed serial handler 
for NorthStar's implementation of TurboDOS - and was having some issues 
for which I sought (and received) advice from Gary (NO ONE knew the ins 
and outs of the 8080 / Z80 architecture like he did - particularly when 
it came to pressing for max throughput).

I just happened to be back in California for a programmers / developers 
conference at San Jose shortly after he died - and was able to attend a 
memorial for him (summer of 1994).

Yes, I too have several NorthStars still running - and while they run 
TurboDOS these days - it's certainly easy enough to boot from a CP/M 
floppy and get the A> prompt (NorthStar Horizons ALL boot from the 
floppy - even if they have hard disks attached).

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  5 10:56:27 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug  5 11:02:14 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] The Project...
Message-ID: <48986A1B.10009@bellsouth.net>

Got the 28 back together last evening - and took it out for a spin. 
Maybe it's just me (or getting used to it running naked (on a bench with 
no cabinet) but - it seems to be getting even quieter as it gets a 
little time on it.  Ran it off of the AP feed of HeavyMetal for quite a 
while. The keyboard repair is working wonderful. I found that the spring 
on the operating lever was only pulling about 3 ounces - and was not 
providing reliable tripping every time.  The book calls for 3-5 ounces 
so I went through my collection of springs and found one that pulls 
about 6.  While a touch over spec - the operation is now solid every 
time, the spring is at a good "extension" length (not over stretched, 
etc.) and the felt core fits just fine.

There is an issue, though - a puzzle for you Greenkeyers... I know the 
cause - but I'll let you figure the puzzle out on your own...  but I 
would certainly welcome any "tips" on a fix. (I won't go into specifics 
yet - it'd give away the solution to the puzzle).

OK as those of you who have been following along on the project's 
progress know -  the Code Bar Reset Bail Latch broke. This is a "pre- 
Mark I" keyboard - for which the latch has become as rare as hen's 
teeth. A Mk I latch will fit - though there is an "issue" with that 
substitution - in that the Mk I does not have the lever extension out 
the left side (as you face the keyboard). That lever extension is the 
means the repeat function was implemented - and without that lever 
(which the newer part doesn't have) the existing repeat function won't 
work.

To remedy that - I installed the parts to the repeat mechanism as it's 
implemented in the Mk Is (and newer).  That involved a new non-repeat 
lever (with it's own "extension"), a keylever to operate that 
"extension" which is installed in slot #37; and of course moving the 
repeat key from the center of the keyboard (slot #21) to the newly 
installed keylever in slot #37.

Here's the puzzle:

With the new hardware installed - the keyboard operates as expected with 
one minor exception:  When the repeat key is held down with another key 
- the keyboard indeed goes into repeat mode - (i.e. the latch is never 
allowed to "latch") BUT the character typed is ---- a blank. No matter 
which key is held down with the repeat key - you get a blank.

Here is a hint (ought to be a spoiler!): If you continue to hold the 
character key down and release the repeat key - the unit cycles one 
final time - and you DO get the character you are holding down.

Anyone care to guess what's going on here?

best regards!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From k1lky at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  5 11:12:19 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue Aug  5 11:18:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: OT CP/M history -
In-Reply-To: <489863A9.7020207@bellsouth.net>
References: <8DD2D30DA0E942349D0E86BBA13424BC@obie>
	<489863A9.7020207@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <54297DCE-BABF-470D-8B30-134041E4214C@earthlink.net>


On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
> Yes, I too have several NorthStars still running - and while they  
> run TurboDOS these days -

Folks of old computers,

I have a very old laptop here that apparently boots from floppy.  It  
might be a radio shack one, but it got onto the truck yesterday. I'll  
post in a few weeks for more  information, but I'm glad there are  
folks who can advise me on it.

Most likely, I'll run TTY programs on it.

Roy


Roy Morgan
13033 Downey Mill Rd
Lovettsville, VA 20180
k1lky@earthlink.net

NEW address:
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073




From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  5 11:42:58 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug  5 11:48:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: OT CP/M history -
In-Reply-To: <54297DCE-BABF-470D-8B30-134041E4214C@earthlink.net>
References: <8DD2D30DA0E942349D0E86BBA13424BC@obie>	<489863A9.7020207@bellsouth.net>
	<54297DCE-BABF-470D-8B30-134041E4214C@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48987502.7070701@bellsouth.net>

Roy Morgan wrote:

> I have a very old laptop here that apparently boots from floppy.  It 
> might be a radio shack one, but it got onto the truck yesterday. I'll 
> post in a few weeks for more  information, but I'm glad there are folks 
> who can advise me on it.
> 
> Most likely, I'll run TTY programs on it.

There are several RS portables that make neat "glass ttys", particularly 
the Model 100 (which doesn't have nor need a built-in floppy). The 600 
is the one I know the most about. It does have a floppy - but to call it 
a laptop is to abuse your knees - the thing is a concrete brick!

Anyway - I can probably help with any of those in that series - though 
it's been quite a while and I'm undoubtedly rusty. We developed the 
first version of MeterReader(tm) - our hand-held meter reading program 
on a 600 - the 100 didn't have enough memory.  The latest version of 
MeterReader is WindowCE - but one version back is still MSDOS...

Anyway - let us know what you have - and we'll see who knows about that 
particular one...

Another "mighty little" computer is the HP 100/200 series.  These are 
full blown MSDOS computers that fit in the palm of your hand. I've never 
tried a TTY program on one - but the have a serial port which is fully 
accessible - and a built-in terminal program - so it should be real easy 
to do.  I have one here somewhere - if I get some time I'll dig it out.

I know this is bordering on OT - but then again we are talking about 
using them to supplement our TTY addiction - er - hobby----  so two last 
comments:

People have been asking about a "black box" tty demonstrator - the hp 
100/200 would most likely be an ideal candidate for such...

The other is a "sea story" of sorts - how I came to have the HP200 I have:

One of our commercial products is WaterWorx(tm) - a program for (mainly) 
rural and small community water billing and management. MeterReader(tm) 
comes with it - to power as many hand-held data collectors as the 
utility needs to get their meters read (some of our larger systems have 
3-4 thousand meters). Smaller cities (like North Carrollton and French 
Camp, MS) have a few hundred meters - so can't afford $3000. Allegros 
like our larger systems use - so they use the HPs.  The Allegros (and 
Husky FS/2 FS/3s) are water proof - they float. The HPs - well... they 
don't - as one of our systems found out.

As small as the HPs are - they easily slip into a shirt pocket - so one 
day they are out reading meters - and the guy bends over a meter box 
opens the cover, and then bends over a bit more to dip out some standing 
water - when - you guessed it - the hp zips out of his pocket and tries 
a float test - which it promptly fails. They bring it to me - I flush it 
with distilled water, and bake it in the hot sun for a couple of days. 
Put a set of batteries in it - and it works!  I set it aside, then try 
it again - it works but says the batteries are very low.  I replace them 
- it takes it about 25 minutes to kill a brand new set of AA (normally 
good for a couple of WEEKS!). It works fine - just eats batteries like 
crazy.  So now I have it for testing MeterReader... and Toomsuba -- oops 
I mean that water system - now has radio read meters - they read driving 
by at 25 - 30 miles an hour.

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From kr4wm at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  5 14:10:52 2008
From: kr4wm at earthlink.net (Web Williams)
Date: Tue Aug  5 14:16:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron for sale
Message-ID: <489897AC.3020708@earthlink.net>

I'm going to go out on a limb here and risk getting dozens of
e-mails, but I'd like to sell a Dovetron TU I have. I have not
plugged it in because I don't know how to hook it up to my
PC, and I'm not a "heavy metal" kind of guy. If I could get
it connected and working, I'd probably keep it. But- failing
someone on the list taking me by the collar and telling me
"connect a wire from point A to point B", it's never going to
get used. So- for the grand total of $250, you can be the new
owner of this fantastic-looking device! That is, unless someone
on the list comes forward and walks me through getting it hooked
up and decoding RTTY on my computer. No manual. And in
case anyone really wants to know, it's the Tempest MPC-1000T II.

Thanks, -Web (KR4WM)

From wb5hak at martineer.net  Tue Aug  5 15:52:47 2008
From: wb5hak at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Tue Aug  5 15:58:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-8000A
Message-ID: <008401c8f734$d58bad00$0201a8c0@SunroomComputer>

Gang,
All I can do is echo Bob's statement about the ST-8000A's that were offered. 
I just unpacked serial number 244, which had not seen the light of day since 
1991!!  It was as it left the factory, all accessory plugs, manual, and 
sealed in the box Hal put in in (actually double boxes).  Exactly as 
advertised.  Now to get it on the air, hi.  If you have EVER thought you 
wanted one of these, you won't be disappointed dealing with TekXtreme, LLC 
on these.  I'll post again after using it a while.  It will look good 
alongside the new ST-6000 low tone unit I got from Hal new as a retirement 
gift to myself, hi.
73,
Don, WB5HAK 

From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Tue Aug  5 18:29:43 2008
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Tue Aug  5 18:35:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: OT CP/M history -
In-Reply-To: <489863A9.7020207@bellsouth.net>
References: <8DD2D30DA0E942349D0E86BBA13424BC@obie>
	<489863A9.7020207@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4898D457.5060904@lightlink.com>

Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
> Yes, I too have several NorthStars still running - and while they run 
> TurboDOS these days - it's certainly easy enough to boot from a CP/M 
> floppy and get the A> prompt (NorthStar Horizons ALL boot from the 
> floppy - even if they have hard disks attached).

If you guys need any help, the comp.os.cpm newsgroup is still active 
with several specialists providing support for that venerable old 
system. There has also been some work on an IDE disk interface and other 
goodies discussed over there. Some days there are as many as two dozen 
messages posted.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

From wb5hak at martineer.net  Tue Aug  5 21:27:01 2008
From: wb5hak at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Tue Aug  5 21:32:45 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-8000A
Message-ID: <018f01c8f763$86962930$0201a8c0@SunroomComputer>

As I was reminded by a friend on here, I should put forth a couple or three 
caveats about these units that I mentioned earlier this afternoon.  First, 
it was an alert for someone that had ALREADY been looking.  If you don't 
know what a terminal unit is, you probably don't want this.  If you won't 
tinker/build, you might not like this.  It does AFSK only, you'd have to 
work to get FSK.  It has NO loop supply for your greenkeys unit, you'd have 
to provide and interface it.  It won't run standalone, it needs DSRTTY from 
Hal (or possibly some other terminal unit software, from the old days, 
likely in DOS format only).  In other words, it is NOT a plug and play, no 
tinkering required, soundcard interface for glass RTTY.  But if this is what 
you have been looking for (like me) at a price that seems reasonable for the 
shape, then I was confirming Bob's statement that they are mint.  My estate 
will consider it junk, but that's their problem, hi hi.
73,
Don, WB5HAK 

From wb5hak at martineer.net  Tue Aug  5 22:19:55 2008
From: wb5hak at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Tue Aug  5 22:25:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-8000A
References: <81645.32127.qm@web83203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <019d01c8f76a$eab08490$0201a8c0@SunroomComputer>

Of course, Ron is right, Hal's windows version is the desired one and is still available directly from Hal at a good price.  I just had an old 386 computer, that is RFI tight, and chose to use it.  At the time, my "internet computer" was a little noisier on my radio than I liked.  Now my "new" computers are also pretty quiet on the radios, so I too will go to the Windows version.
73,
Don, WB5HAK
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug  6 11:50:36 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed Aug  6 11:56:28 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] code bars...  "reprogramming"... 
Message-ID: <4899C84C.2090801@bellsouth.net>

Do to a recent repair - I find that all five of the code bars in my 28 
keyboard need to be modified - specifically the 37th "tooth" needs to be 
removed.  I know this can be easily done with the code bars "in hand" - 
but that (getting them "in hand") is a fairly major task (completely 
pulling the keylever frame assembly for starters). Has anyone 
successfully broken off a tooth (teeth) from the code bars while they 
are "in place"? Care to share a "tip"?

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From KC0NNC at aol.com  Wed Aug  6 15:32:00 2008
From: KC0NNC at aol.com (KC0NNC@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug  6 15:37:35 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-8000A
Message-ID: <c33.3523f7c1.35cb5630@aol.com>

any time you  have an electronic instrument that is approx. 17 yrs old, and 
not operated for that period of time, in the factory box,   I suggest that when 
you wish to fire it up, you use a variac, and over a period of 24 hrs, slowly 
increase the ac input voltage, over that 24 hr period, so as to allow the 
electrolytic caps in the supply time to "reform"  otherwise you might end up 
replacing a dried up cap.
 
good luck... 

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

KC0NNC@aol.com


73's



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From n4mw at msn.com  Wed Aug  6 21:34:47 2008
From: n4mw at msn.com (Dave Meier)
Date: Wed Aug  6 21:36:04 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Digitech Data Industries Model 2652-07 Distortion
	Analyzer (?)
References: <380-22008642623717954@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3BC48967E2B55754A96D985750@phx.gbl>

I acquired one if these recently at a hamfest.  I appears to be intended for
RTTY circuit test service.  It is nice and compact, with built in AC supply,
one meter and several switches, knobs, lights and connection jacks.  I can
send a picture direct if anyone here is curious.

I was not successful in finding out anything about it using Google.  Perhaps
someone here can help me determine if it is going to be useful.  A manual
would be nice.

Dave Meier N4MW
New Kent, VA
www.n4mw.com


From k1lky at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  6 22:06:38 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Wed Aug  6 22:12:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Digitech Data Industries Model 2652-07 Distortion
	Analyzer (?)
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP3BC48967E2B55754A96D985750@phx.gbl>
References: <380-22008642623717954@earthlink.net>
	<BLU0-SMTP3BC48967E2B55754A96D985750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1CA13E7A-E29D-4C9B-BEF1-D706D4AAFD1B@earthlink.net>


On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Dave Meier wrote:
>
> I was not successful in finding out anything about it using Google.

These folks have manuals for other things made by the company: email  
them to see if what you need is not listed in their online inventory.   
They RENT manuals only.  (you copy and return)

  http://www.consolidatedsurplus.com


Roy

Roy Morgan
13033 Downey Mill Rd
Lovettsville, VA 20180
k1lky@earthlink.net

NEW address:
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073




From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Aug  7 01:43:27 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu Aug  7 01:49:18 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TESTING
Message-ID: <FB8E3A3A-186A-4CC0-BC7E-3E8FDBA6ADD5@dls.net>

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From kr4wm at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  7 09:29:30 2008
From: kr4wm at earthlink.net (Web Williams)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:35:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-8000 units
Message-ID: <489AF8BA.9040004@earthlink.net>

Holy cow! I inquired about these- and was told $475!!!
I think I'll stick with my DXP38... I was expecting
maybe in the neighborhood of $150. -Web

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug  7 09:44:42 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug  7 09:50:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-8000 units
In-Reply-To: <489AF8BA.9040004@earthlink.net>
References: <489AF8BA.9040004@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <489AFC4A.4050301@bellsouth.net>

Web Williams wrote:
> Holy cow! I inquired about these- and was told $475!!!
> I think I'll stick with my DXP38... I was expecting
> maybe in the neighborhood of $150. -Web

Just be glad your name is Web and not Uncle SAM... you oughta see HIS 
price for those...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From odaymg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 10:17:37 2008
From: odaymg at yahoo.com (Michael O'Day)
Date: Thu Aug  7 10:23:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper tapes and rubber bands = bummer
In-Reply-To: <000601c8f28b$eeac3be0$6501a8c0@A31PAUL>
Message-ID: <255402.83179.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Chris,
 The optical reader is definitely the way to go. In my
former life, I have worked with both mechanical and
optical tape readers, and have had the unfortunate
experience of having more than one of my older program
tapes jam up (and get shredded)in a mechanical reader.
As I recall, the sprocket holes were also used as the
"index pulse" to trigger the reader. Just make sure
that the tape is being fed straight through the
reader, and remains at a right angle to the reader
sensors.

Mike
N9ODM
--- "Paul A. Pennington" <paulpenn@knology.net> wrote:

>     Chris;
> 
> > Those tapes are not in bad shape other than to
> have this
> > gooy rubber band remnants all over them.  I
> obviously do not want to feed
> > that stuff through my tty33 tape reader :-)
> 
>     I just remembered a device from about 1976 that
> may help you read the 
> tapes without gunking up your ASR-33:  the Oliver
> Engineering OP-80 paper 
> tape reader.  It uses optical sensing only, and the
> tape does not touch 
> anything important.  Here's a article showing how to
> build one easily:
> 
>
http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_paper.html
> 
>     Besides, your old tapes are likely going to be
> pretty soft after using 
> the solvents on them.  The ASR-33 reader pins are
> likely to go right through 
> the paper and mis-read.  That won't be a problem
> with this optical reader.
> 
>     Paul Pennington
>     Augusta, Georgia
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> 



      
From chrise at pobox.com  Thu Aug  7 10:46:36 2008
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Thu Aug  7 10:52:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper tapes and rubber bands = bummer
In-Reply-To: <255402.83179.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000601c8f28b$eeac3be0$6501a8c0@A31PAUL>
	<255402.83179.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080807144636.GA1119@n0jcf.net>

Yes...  I agree that a non- or minimal-contact approach is the way to
go for these old tapes.

The only downside to a home brew optical reader is that you have to pull
the tape through manually and some of these tapes are really long--  eg,
8K BASIC for the 680 is a roll about 5" in diameter with a 1/2" center,
so you'd be pulling tape for a long time.

The appeal to the old mechanical reader on the M33 is that it is
automatic.

I haven't gotten back to trying to remove or dissolve the rubber band
remenants on the tapes yet but I hope to soon.

Chris N?JCF


On Thursday (08/07/2008 at 07:17AM -0700), Michael O'Day wrote:
> Chris,
>  The optical reader is definitely the way to go. In my
> former life, I have worked with both mechanical and
> optical tape readers, and have had the unfortunate
> experience of having more than one of my older program
> tapes jam up (and get shredded)in a mechanical reader.
> As I recall, the sprocket holes were also used as the
> "index pulse" to trigger the reader. Just make sure
> that the tape is being fed straight through the
> reader, and remains at a right angle to the reader
> sensors.
> 
> Mike
> N9ODM
> --- "Paul A. Pennington" <paulpenn@knology.net> wrote:
> 
> >     Chris;
> > 
> > > Those tapes are not in bad shape other than to
> > have this
> > > gooy rubber band remnants all over them.  I
> > obviously do not want to feed
> > > that stuff through my tty33 tape reader :-)
> > 
> >     I just remembered a device from about 1976 that
> > may help you read the 
> > tapes without gunking up your ASR-33:  the Oliver
> > Engineering OP-80 paper 
> > tape reader.  It uses optical sensing only, and the
> > tape does not touch 
> > anything important.  Here's a article showing how to
> > build one easily:
> > 
> >
> http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_paper.html
> > 
> >     Besides, your old tapes are likely going to be
> > pretty soft after using 
> > the solvents on them.  The ASR-33 reader pins are
> > likely to go right through 
> > the paper and mis-read.  That won't be a problem
> > with this optical reader.
> > 
> >     Paul Pennington
> >     Augusta, Georgia
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>       

-- 
Chris Elmquist
mailto:chrise@pobox.com
From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Thu Aug  7 11:28:13 2008
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Thu Aug  7 11:34:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper tapes and rubber bands = bummer
In-Reply-To: <20080807144636.GA1119@n0jcf.net>
References: <000601c8f28b$eeac3be0$6501a8c0@A31PAUL>	<255402.83179.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20080807144636.GA1119@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <489B148D.5070604@lightlink.com>

Chris Elmquist wrote:
> Yes...  I agree that a non- or minimal-contact approach is the way to
> go for these old tapes.
> 
> The only downside to a home brew optical reader is that you have to pull
> the tape through manually and some of these tapes are really long--  eg,
> 8K BASIC for the 680 is a roll about 5" in diameter with a 1/2" center,
> so you'd be pulling tape for a long time.
> 
> The appeal to the old mechanical reader on the M33 is that it is
> automatic.

If you have anything like a tape winder, you could use it to pull the 
tape through the reader. If you do rig something up, make sure the 
tension is as low as practical to avoid breaking the weakened tapes.

I used to have one of those OP-80 readers, and it had a parallel 
interface. If you used the feed hole rising edge to trigger an interrupt 
or latch the data, they were not speed dependent. That hole is smaller 
but on the same center line, so the data bits have already become stable 
when the trigger occurs. There was an upper limit based on how fast the 
processor could handle the interrupts and save the data, but that limit 
should be much higher now with the faster processors we have.

Different tape colors sometimes worked better with different light 
colors for the illumination. Some tapes were too transparent for white 
light to be effective.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From gil at baudot.net  Thu Aug  7 11:49:17 2008
From: gil at baudot.net (gil smith)
Date: Thu Aug  7 11:55:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper tapes and rubber bands = bummer
In-Reply-To: <20080807144636.GA1119@n0jcf.net>
References: <000601c8f28b$eeac3be0$6501a8c0@A31PAUL>
	<255402.83179.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20080807144636.GA1119@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080807082826.027d8210@mail.vauxelectronics.com>

Hi Chris:

If you make an optical reader (which would actually be a fun little 
project) you could motorize the tape pull.  I have seen motorized (and even 
wind-up) tape pullers on ebay from time-to-time.

Or, you could make a reel and add a gear motor.  Here's a $10 motor I like 
a lot:
http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=9477

It runs 4 to 15 rpm with 3V to 9V in.  Has a big plastic wheel that is 
easily drilled to add a few screws and mount something to it.  I am using 
them in my tradeshow booth this year to drive 6-ft dia foam disks -- makes 
the top of the booth truss frame look like a giant reel-to-reel tape 
deck.  Working on a giant VU meter to mount under it.

BG-Micro has other speed gearmotors too, but this one's plastic disk makes 
it really handy, since you don't need to worry about matching up to shaft 
diameter.

BG-Micro is a great place to find all kinds of cool surplus stuff, and I 
think everyone on the list should check it out.  And to add some of my 
other current favorite places:
http://www.bgmicro.com/
http://www.allelectronics.com/
http://www.goldmine-elec.com/
http://www.sparkfun.com/

And of course, there is always, mouser, digikey and jameco.

gil





At 07:46 AM 8/7/2008, Chris Elmquist wrote:
>Yes...  I agree that a non- or minimal-contact approach is the way to
>go for these old tapes.
>
>The only downside to a home brew optical reader is that you have to pull
>the tape through manually and some of these tapes are really long--  eg,
>8K BASIC for the 680 is a roll about 5" in diameter with a 1/2" center,
>so you'd be pulling tape for a long time.
>
>The appeal to the old mechanical reader on the M33 is that it is
>automatic.
>
>I haven't gotten back to trying to remove or dissolve the rubber band
>remenants on the tapes yet but I hope to soon.
>
>Chris N?JCF
>
>
>On Thursday (08/07/2008 at 07:17AM -0700), Michael O'Day wrote:
> > Chris,
> >  The optical reader is definitely the way to go. In my
> > former life, I have worked with both mechanical and
> > optical tape readers, and have had the unfortunate
> > experience of having more than one of my older program
> > tapes jam up (and get shredded)in a mechanical reader.
> > As I recall, the sprocket holes were also used as the
> > "index pulse" to trigger the reader. Just make sure
> > that the tape is being fed straight through the
> > reader, and remains at a right angle to the reader
> > sensors.
> >
> > Mike
> > N9ODM
> > --- "Paul A. Pennington" <paulpenn@knology.net> wrote:
> >
> > >     Chris;
> > >
> > > > Those tapes are not in bad shape other than to
> > > have this
> > > > gooy rubber band remnants all over them.  I
> > > obviously do not want to feed
> > > > that stuff through my tty33 tape reader :-)
> > >
> > >     I just remembered a device from about 1976 that
> > > may help you read the
> > > tapes without gunking up your ASR-33:  the Oliver
> > > Engineering OP-80 paper
> > > tape reader.  It uses optical sensing only, and the
> > > tape does not touch
> > > anything important.  Here's a article showing how to
> > > build one easily:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s_paper.html
> > >
> > >     Besides, your old tapes are likely going to be
> > > pretty soft after using
> > > the solvents on them.  The ASR-33 reader pins are
> > > likely to go right through
> > > the paper and mis-read.  That won't be a problem
> > > with this optical reader.
> > >
> > >     Paul Pennington
> > >     Augusta, Georgia
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GreenKeys mailing list
> > > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>Chris Elmquist
>mailto:chrise@pobox.com
>_______________________________________________
>GreenKeys mailing list
>GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys



Vaux Electronics, Inc.
480-354-5556
(fax: 480-354-5558)
www.vauxelectronics.com


From rjcote at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Aug  7 15:33:01 2008
From: rjcote at hawaii.rr.com (Ray Cote)
Date: Thu Aug  7 15:39:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TESTING
References: <FB8E3A3A-186A-4CC0-BC7E-3E8FDBA6ADD5@dls.net>
Message-ID: <C55C01E2D74847E3B336968BAE0DD824@ray>

Thanks for running your tape, Don.   I can still hear my system running
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:43 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] TESTING


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From wb6blv at inreach.com  Thu Aug  7 15:59:05 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Thu Aug  7 16:05:13 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 360076513576 at e-place
Message-ID: <008101c8f8c8$0c674020$5888fea9@dwilegal>

anybody on the list know what this is??

John
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug  7 16:57:24 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug  7 17:03:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 360076513576 at e-place
In-Reply-To: <008101c8f8c8$0c674020$5888fea9@dwilegal>
References: <008101c8f8c8$0c674020$5888fea9@dwilegal>
Message-ID: <489B61B4.1030903@bellsouth.net>

WB6BLV (DM06) wrote:
> anybody on the list know what this is??

Only in general terms...  considering who Canberra is - it's likely an 
early generation communication network interface such as would be used 
by some military, nuclear, and other sensitive installations.

all the above just guesses.
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  7 18:09:59 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu Aug  7 18:16:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 360076513576 at e-place
In-Reply-To: <008101c8f8c8$0c674020$5888fea9@dwilegal>
References: <008101c8f8c8$0c674020$5888fea9@dwilegal>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071707180.5360@localhost.localdomain>

It looks like something that is part of a CAMAC system.  (CAMAC is a
rack system used for instrumentation, particularly around particle
acclerators and that sort of thing.)  So it is probably a way to
connect a Teletype to a collection of instruments.  Seems like some
other ebay dealer had some similar things a while back.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From ham at cq.nu  Thu Aug  7 19:07:20 2008
From: ham at cq.nu (Bob Camp)
Date: Thu Aug  7 19:13:12 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-8000A
In-Reply-To: <c33.3523f7c1.35cb5630@aol.com>
References: <c33.3523f7c1.35cb5630@aol.com>
Message-ID: <54DDBCE1-F942-417B-9776-425E69D381E9@cq.nu>

Hi

Be very careful with this approach on solid state equipment.  Solid  
state voltage regulators do not "expect" long term low input voltage.  
You can get all sorts of odd behavior. Some of it can be destructive  
to the attached circuits. A negative 12 V  "up and running" with no +5  
or +12 is one classic example.

Bob


On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:32 PM, KC0NNC@aol.com wrote:

> any time you  have an electronic instrument that is approx. 17 yrs  
> old, and
> not operated for that period of time, in the factory box,   I  
> suggest that when
> you wish to fire it up, you use a variac, and over a period of 24  
> hrs, slowly
> increase the ac input voltage, over that 24 hr period, so as to  
> allow the
> electrolytic caps in the supply time to "reform"  otherwise you  
> might end up
> replacing a dried up cap.
>
> good luck...
>
> Harvey E. Smith
> 2020 Baculite Mesa Road
> Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
> 719 406 9735
>
> fka WA0BBG
> nka KC0NNC
>
> HarveyEsmith@aol.com
>
> KC0NNC@aol.com
>
>
> 73's
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your  
> budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>  )
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From k2gtm1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 20:17:09 2008
From: k2gtm1 at gmail.com (Greg Miller, K2GTM)
Date: Thu Aug  7 20:23:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] FS: Hal CT2100 Communications Terminal w/KB2100 Keyboard
Message-ID: <489B9085.4080800@gmail.com>

Hi all!

Due to an impending move, I have decided to sell my Hal CT2100 
Communications Terminal with KB2100 keyboard.  The set works great and 
includes the CT2100 manual.

Price is $125 plus shipping. 

See: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/decoders/ct2100.html for 
more information.

Photos available upon request.

Thanks and 73,
- Greg K2GTM
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug  8 11:02:55 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Fri Aug  8 11:08:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] The Model 28 project: Page 8
Message-ID: <489C601F.3060704@bellsouth.net>

Page 8 has been added to the project pages... Page 1 has also been 
re-worked a bit to add quick links to the other pages - so you no longer 
have to "click through" every page to get to the later pages.

http://www.comcents.com/tty/tty.php

Best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug  8 12:28:02 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Fri Aug  8 12:34:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
Message-ID: <489C7412.8050606@bellsouth.net>

When did the Navy realize they had "messed up" and add the fans to the 
URA-8s? All I'd ever seen were URA-8s with fans on the "back porch". 
But they don't show them or mention them in the early manuals.

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From nick at 3rdtech.com  Fri Aug  8 12:44:33 2008
From: nick at 3rdtech.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri Aug  8 12:50:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
In-Reply-To: <489C7412.8050606@bellsouth.net>
References: <489C7412.8050606@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <010801c8f976$0bb09c40$fd0212ac@Heathkit2>

Maybe the date can be determined from the two manuals - I'll look at mine at
home tonight. I don't have any idea if there was a Field Change to add
blowers to the early model.
Info and photos are on my web site
http://www.virhistory.com/navy/rtty-demod.htm

Summary -
AN/URA-8A (no blowers)
two CV-89 converters plus one CM-22/URR Comparator
manual NAVSHIPS 91278  

AN/URA-8B (with blowers)
two CV-89A converters plus one CM-22A/URR Comparator
manual NAVSHIPS 91490 

Note: AN/URA-8 is a different design, manuf. by RCA with different
mechanical/electrical layout but functionally interchangeable 
two CV-60/URR converters plus one CM-14/URR Comparator
manual NAVSHIPS 91339 

cheers,
Nick
www.virhistory.com/navy 

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Randy or Sherry
Guttery
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:28 PM
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B

When did the Navy realize they had "messed up" and add the fans to the 
URA-8s? All I'd ever seen were URA-8s with fans on the "back porch". 
But they don't show them or mention them in the early manuals.

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug  8 14:23:15 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Fri Aug  8 14:29:15 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
In-Reply-To: <010801c8f976$0bb09c40$fd0212ac@Heathkit2>
References: <489C7412.8050606@bellsouth.net>
	<010801c8f976$0bb09c40$fd0212ac@Heathkit2>
Message-ID: <489C8F13.9000500@bellsouth.net>

Nick England wrote:
> Maybe the date can be determined from the two manuals - I'll look at mine at
> home tonight. 

Thanks... that would be interesting.


> I don't have any idea if there was a Field Change to add
> blowers to the early model.

That's the thing - I'm almost positive I've had some "A"s over the years 
- and all of mine had blowers. So you may be quite right about either a 
formal "field change" - or an informal one that was just done by 
individual commands.  I know if I could just "bolt on" a blower by 
ordering a spare part - I bloody well would.

That also begs the question about the access plate on the "unmodified" 
"A"s - it's like they were designed for a blower - (with the connector 
angled underneath, etc.) and then "someone" made the decision to leave 
them off and just "blank" the hole. I noticed in the original issue of 
the manual (NS91278 Hoffman 1949) they "tout" the sealed cabinet... so 
by the time the manual was printed this seemed more important than 
ventilation. The manual also states that all tubes (save the CRT) should 
be pulled and tested every 500 hours. That indicates they were aware 
that the tubes in that environment would "cook"...  Really strange!

Thanks! and best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From nick at 3rdtech.com  Fri Aug  8 14:58:18 2008
From: nick at 3rdtech.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri Aug  8 15:04:25 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
In-Reply-To: <489C8F13.9000500@bellsouth.net>
References: <489C7412.8050606@bellsouth.net>
	<010801c8f976$0bb09c40$fd0212ac@Heathkit2>
	<489C8F13.9000500@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <017001c8f988$b944a010$fd0212ac@Heathkit2>

The nomenclature also leads to confusion - I should have noted that the
converter version used in the AN/URA-8B system was a CV-89A/URA-8A
Yep, the -8B components were labeled -8A
Nick
p.s at least the AN/URA-8A component was CV-89/URA-8A
p.p.s. What do you expect from an organization that thinks a CV-60 could be
either a RTTY converter or an aircraft carrier?



From nick at 3rdtech.com  Fri Aug  8 19:19:21 2008
From: nick at 3rdtech.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri Aug  8 19:25:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
Message-ID: <00f301c8f9ad$309f3de0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>

The manuals say-
AN/URA-8A manual 91278 5 Dec 1949 - ( no blowers )
contract NObsr 42027 8 Oct 1947 Hoffman

AN/URA-8B manual 91490 3 July 1951 - ( blowers )
contract NObsr 52069 13 Feb 1951 Hoffman
contract NObsr 64205 ?? National

FWIW - There are extra holes in the CV-89A (blown) modules to let some of 
that cool air in, so that might have been difficult to accomplish in a Field 
Change.

Summary -
AN/URA-8A (no blowers)
two CV-89/URA-8A converters plus one CM-22/URA-8A Comparator
manual NAVSHIPS 91278

AN/URA-8B (with blowers)
two CV-89A/URA-8A converters plus one CM-22A/URA-8A Comparator
manual NAVSHIPS 91490

Note: AN/URA-8 is a different design, manuf. by RCA with different
mechanical/electrical layout but functionally interchangeable
two CV-60/URR converters plus one CM-14/URR Comparator
manual NAVSHIPS 91339

cheers,
Nick
www.virhistory.com/navy


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug  8 22:59:25 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Fri Aug  8 23:05:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
In-Reply-To: <00f301c8f9ad$309f3de0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>
References: <00f301c8f9ad$309f3de0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <489D080D.5020509@bellsouth.net>

Nick England wrote:
> The manuals say-
> AN/URA-8A manual 91278 5 Dec 1949 - ( no blowers )
> contract NObsr 42027 8 Oct 1947 Hoffman
> 
> AN/URA-8B manual 91490 3 July 1951 - ( blowers )
> contract NObsr 52069 13 Feb 1951 Hoffman
> contract NObsr 64205 ?? National
> 
> FWIW - There are extra holes in the CV-89A (blown) modules to let some 
> of that cool air in, so that might have been difficult to accomplish in 
> a Field Change.

Yeah - that's true - there are those "intakes" at the top of the two 
"semi-permanent" control panels...  Sounds more like a depot level task 
- change out the front panel... add the blower and you have a CV-89A. 
Or a few 1/2 holes drilled through the case just behind the front panel 
would probably do as well... (until some officer with a burr up his butt 
noticed the "un-official" field change, that is) ;-)

Thanks! and best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From k2gtm1 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 23:24:27 2008
From: k2gtm1 at gmail.com (Greg Miller, K2GTM)
Date: Fri Aug  8 23:30:32 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: FS: Hal CT2100 Communications Terminal w/KB2100
	Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <489B9085.4080800@gmail.com>
References: <489B9085.4080800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489D0DEB.4060905@gmail.com>

OK - it seems that I may have overestimated the price on this one!  :)

If anyone is interested, I'll consider offers on the terminal.  I'd 
rather see someone use it then have it sit in storage.

Thanks and 73,
- Greg K2GTM

Greg Miller, K2GTM wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> Due to an impending move, I have decided to sell my Hal CT2100 
> Communications Terminal with KB2100 keyboard.  The set works great and 
> includes the CT2100 manual.
>
> Price is $125 plus shipping.
> See: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/decoders/ct2100.html for 
> more information.
>
> Photos available upon request.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> - Greg K2GTM
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug  9 03:07:29 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sat Aug  9 03:13:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Versions of the Model 28 keyboard...
Message-ID: <489D4231.5000001@bellsouth.net>

I'm trying to figure something out... and just about the time I think I 
have a handle on it - I get some new information that just muddies 
things back up.

The question is this: how many keyboard "generations" were there? When 
did each hit the street? Are there any easy / fast ways to identify each 
generation.

Here is my "take" so far:
There are four- with pretty clear distinctions between the last two - 
while the first two seemed to be less a "new model" as a progression of 
improvements that "finally" started being named.

Specifically: The first keyboard I'm calling the "Pre MKI" as I have not 
found it "named" anywhere. This is the first keyboard issued - and has a 
few characteristics that (so far) make it fairly easy to identify.

Then there are the MKI through MKIII.  The II and III are pretty well 
documented - as Teletype better identifies them in the documentation. 
Often they identify the "current" (for that issue of manual) keyboard - 
then also note "earlier design parts" or such. I have seen such 
references in say a manual where the "primary" keyboard is a MKII; there 
is a reference to "earlier parts / design" (Which implies MKI) - BUT 
those parts (the earlier ones) are nothing like what's in my keyboard.

We know that my keyboard (and the original typer) all date from late 
1950 to early 1951; and I have a Navy manual from December 7, 1950 which 
matches exactly.

Here are some things that seem to set what I'm calling the Pre-MKI apart 
from all later keyboards:

1) the repeat key is in the center of the keyboard (slot #21). It 
operates through a vertical "slide" on the generator frame - which then 
pushes an extension on the code bar reset bail latch to keep the latch 
from latching - and allowing the generator to run on. None of the later 
keyboards I can find documentation on (from 1953 - which I *think* is 
when the MKI hit the streets) have this sort of repeat arrangement - all 
the later ones have a key/keylever down near the right end (slot #37) - 
and operate through an extension on the non-repeat bell crank lever (the 
extension does not exist on the earliest keyboard). The later ones do 
not have the "back" extension on the code bar reset bail latch - since 
that's now "handled" by the non-repeat lever / bell crank.

2) the earliest keyboards have holes in the top row for the six 
installed keys (Lock, Unlock, Break, Loc CR, Loc LF & repeat). The newer 
keyboards have all 42 holes drilled - and unused / spares "plugged" by a 
filler cap that is held by a tinnerman type nut.

3) the code lever universal bail in the earliest keyboards does not have 
an adjustable "extension" that holds off the non-repeat lever.  The 
newer ones are adjustable - by loosening two screws.

4) the adjustment to set the ball "gap" in the ball track is a metal 
lever that is held in place by a screw. In the newer keyboards - the a 
screw contacts the balls directly and sets the gap.

5) the non-repeat assembly plate mounts on the earliest keyboards with 4 
screws - while the newer keyboards use only 3.

There are many other subtle differences - the problem (project?) is 
trying to identify which is what generation... Again - it's really muddy 
between the "pre" and MKIs.

Are the "Pre MKIs" really MKIs that just went through some serious 
changes before Teletype finally changed the designation? Esp. since they 
probably didn't "think" about changes very early on...

Here's another "point" in my four generation theory:

The Navy lists the generations of the keyboard as
MX-1114   used in TT-47 and variants (gov, table top, etc.)
MX-1114A  used in TT-47A and variants
MX-1114B  used in TT-47B TT-47C and variants
MX-1114C  used with TT-47D and variants...

I'd like to just go down these and make the pre-MKI through MKIII - but 
that's guessing - and unfortunately all the Navy says is "same as above 
but improved").

Of course the typer went through some serious changes as well... there 
are at least three serious versions of it as well... These are 
documented by the Navy as
MX-1115   used in TT-47 and variants (has that sliding range adj.)
MX-1115A  used in TT-47A and variants (has the familiar knob adj.)
MX-1115B  used in everything after the "A"s...

Thanks for thoughts, suggestions, etc.
best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From radiounity at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  9 18:20:12 2008
From: radiounity at sbcglobal.net (John Duggan)
Date: Sat Aug  9 18:26:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <20080809080149.36806859BC5@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <183614.7539.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all! I'm alive

Just another little hospital stay
I should be out of here in 2-3 weeks, will be in
touch. 73 DE KG6EOT
John Duggan
radiounity
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>    7. Re: Question about URA-8 A B (Randy or Sherry
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>    8. Re: FS: Hal CT2100 Communications Terminal
> w/KB2100	Keyboard
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>    9. Versions of the Model 28 keyboard... (Randy or
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:02:55 -0500
> From: Randy or Sherry Guttery
> <comcents@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] The Model 28 project: Page 8
> To: "greenkeys@mailman.qth.net"
> <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <489C601F.3060704@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> 
> Page 8 has been added to the project pages... Page 1
> has also been 
> re-worked a bit to add quick links to the other
> pages - so you no longer 
> have to "click through" every page to get to the
> later pages.
> 
> http://www.comcents.com/tty/tty.php
> 
> Best regards...
> -- 
> randy guttery
> 
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and
> Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:28:02 -0500
> From: Randy or Sherry Guttery
> <comcents@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
> To: "greenkeys@mailman.qth.net"
> <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <489C7412.8050606@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> 
> When did the Navy realize they had "messed up" and
> add the fans to the 
> URA-8s? All I'd ever seen were URA-8s with fans on
> the "back porch". 
> But they don't show them or mention them in the
> early manuals.
> 
> best regards...
> -- 
> randy guttery
> 
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and
> Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:44:33 -0400
> From: "Nick England" <nick@3rdtech.com>
> Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
> To: <comcents@bellsouth.net>,
> <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:
> <010801c8f976$0bb09c40$fd0212ac@Heathkit2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Maybe the date can be determined from the two
> manuals - I'll look at mine at
> home tonight. I don't have any idea if there was a
> Field Change to add
> blowers to the early model.
> Info and photos are on my web site
> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/rtty-demod.htm
> 
> Summary -
> AN/URA-8A (no blowers)
> two CV-89 converters plus one CM-22/URR Comparator
> manual NAVSHIPS 91278  
> 
> AN/URA-8B (with blowers)
> two CV-89A converters plus one CM-22A/URR Comparator
> manual NAVSHIPS 91490 
> 
> Note: AN/URA-8 is a different design, manuf. by RCA
> with different
> mechanical/electrical layout but functionally
> interchangeable 
> two CV-60/URR converters plus one CM-14/URR
> Comparator
> manual NAVSHIPS 91339 
> 
> cheers,
> Nick
> www.virhistory.com/navy 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
> Of Randy or Sherry
> Guttery
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:28 PM
> To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
> 
> When did the Navy realize they had "messed up" and
> add the fans to the 
> URA-8s? All I'd ever seen were URA-8s with fans on
> the "back porch". 
> But they don't show them or mention them in the
> early manuals.
> 
> best regards...
> -- 
> randy guttery
> 
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and
> Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:23:15 -0500
> From: Randy or Sherry Guttery
> <comcents@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Question about URA-8 A B
> To: Nick England <nick@3rdtech.com>
> Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <489C8F13.9000500@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> 
> Nick England wrote:
> > Maybe the date can be determined from the two
> manuals - I'll look at mine at
> > home tonight. 
> 
> Thanks... that would be interesting.
> 
> 
> > I don't have any idea if there was a Field Change
> to add
> > blowers to the early model.
> 
> That's the thing - I'm almost positive I've had some
> "A"s over the years 
> - and all of mine had blowers. So you may be quite
> right 
=== message truncated ===

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Mon Aug 11 12:03:26 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:11:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] CNet system
Message-ID: <085b01c8fbcb$ca8759e0$2000a8c0@ljt>

I collected and rebuilt telephone switching systems.  From small step by 
step to moderate sized crossbar PBX's and CDO's. (community dial office)  It 
was a phase I went thru before the TTY infection.

The switcher club has been dialing into each other's switches by internet 
lately....they call it "CNet".  I don't know anything about how it 
works....I'm outta switching having filled the basement and two garages with 
working SxS, crossbar and XY switches...all tied together so I could call 
myself  LOL

Below, Art Bloom another switcher nut, suggests the CNet for TTY  OCD's like 
myself.  If anyone needs to understand how the CNet operates, contact Art 
for details.

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Arthur P. Bloom
To: Larry Tighe
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:33 AM
Subject: Y TTY ?


Why TTY? It's old, it smells, it's noisy, it requires constant care, nobody 
appreciates it...oh...wait...that pretty much describes YOU, doesn't it?

Seriously, when you get them all fixed up and working, do you send and 
receive to other collectors over ham bands, or do you set up a landline 
connection with modems?  You could all subscribe to CNet and set up your 
TTY's the same way we Phone Phools are using the network for voice calls. 
I'm sure that if you can use modems to interconnect your TTY buddies, you 
could jump on CNet and combine the best of both worlds. Just a thought.

APB

Larry
K2JIA

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Mon Aug 11 12:14:26 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:22:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] CNet Information
Message-ID: <087801c8fbcd$536d0420$2000a8c0@ljt>

Art Bloom is on Shelter Island, NY.

For info on the CNet, his e-mail is:

mailto:m35prod@optonline.net


lar
From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Mon Aug 11 12:34:46 2008
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (pdwills@cedarknolltelephone.com)
Date: Mon Aug 11 12:41:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] CNet Information
Message-ID: <48a06a26.43.79c.13965@NITMAIL>

CNET uses an Asterisk open source PBX to interconnect the
electromechanical switches.  Asterisk runs on a Linux
platform.  Interfacing to the "legacy" equipment is done
using FXO/FXS ports, T1 channel banks, Routers or ATAs.  The
calling information is entered into the Asterisk switch via
normal POTS methods, the Asterisk switch sets up a VOIP
connection to another Asterisk switch and the distant
Asterisk switch pulses into the distant legacy equipment.

A "DNS" server is maintained to handle the numbering plan. 
Basically there are no "real" trunks as the interconnections
are done over the internet.

Information can be found at www.ckts.info

PDW


----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] CNet Information
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:14:26 -0400

> Art Bloom is on Shelter Island, NY.
> 
> For info on the CNet, his e-mail is:
> 
> mailto:m35prod@optonline.net
> 
> 
> lar
> 
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 11 17:02:37 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon Aug 11 17:08:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] request for information... 
Message-ID: <48A0A8ED.2010303@bellsouth.net>

I'm putting together some data on model 28s - and one thing that would 
help would be a list of Navy manuals covering a specific series of 
teletypes - specifically the TT-47 series- from the TT-47A on. What I'm 
looking for is this:

Model   Navy manual Date of Manual   # and date of contract...
TT-47   91393       12/7/1950        NObsr-42434  6/28/1948
TT-47A  91713       7/?/1952

And so on.  I'll publish this as part of a larger cross-reference list.

Thanks!
best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 11 22:22:39 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon Aug 11 22:29:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] request for information...
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8fc16$7cda23d0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>
References: <48A0A8ED.2010303@bellsouth.net>
	<002a01c8fc16$7cda23d0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <48A0F3EF.8080500@bellsouth.net>

Nick England wrote:
> "Index of Teletypewriter, Facsimile, and Related Equipment"
> Navelex 0967-LP-104-0010
> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/tty/navelex-tty-1977.pdf
> 
> has a list of manuals for various equipment in Chapter 6
> Good bedtime reading..

Yes, Thanks - I have that book... while it does fill in some "holes" 
here and there - it leaves out a lot. One thing it did do, though is 
cause me to see that the TT-47 is THE measuring stick for the 28s - from 
1950 (some sources site 1951) to the last - late 1970s. Date them - 
document them - and you have the 28's history pretty well nailed down. 
Two dates I did get else where already - while the military got 28s late 
50 early 51 --- civilians didn't get any until 1953. Everyone had to 
wait until 1957 for the ASR.  I had already figured out there was a few 
years between the introduction of the KSR/RO and the ASR - I just didn't 
know it was 6 - 7 years.

The Navy tended to issue manuals (or updates) specific to equipments as 
they went into service (look at the variety of manuals for the 
R-390/1/As). Hopefully they did something similar for the 28s - which 
might give us a handle on the 28 as it "evolved" over it's lifetime - 
both from the technology / feature aspect as well as dates - and 
responses to "customer needs".

I guess my research projects do go a bit overboard (TenderTale as an 
example)... but when I get through (or as through as I get) I have a 
pretty solid understanding of not only the "whats" and "whens" - but the 
"whys".  As I point out about tendertale - if you want to understand the 
  Naval part of WWII - particularly as it relates to how the submarines 
bought us precious time to rebuild the fleet that was devastated at 
Pearl Harbor - follow the Submarine Tenders - follow those dozen (give 
or take) ships over 4 years and many, many thousands of miles of ocean - 
and you'll get a solid understanding of how the war was raged by the 
U.S. I have no idea if following the development / evolution of the 
model 28 will lead to any such "understanding" of world events - yet as 
noted - I've already found that the 28's introduction to the civilian 
population was delayed for 2+ years because of the Korean "conflict". 
Why the ASR wasn't introduced for yet another 4 years is yet to be 
answered.  May be "just because" - or it may be that Teletype was 
stretched to the limits with the new printer - and "new things" such as 
integrating the tape systems just had to wait.  But those are "stories" 
yet to be discovered. We also "think" the ASR-X is a "cold war" 
oddity... anyone know how many of those were built???  and for that 
matter why???? I mean how much traffic could one "station" hope to move? 
were they really "practical" or were they a President's ah - hood ornament?

One problem is that this is "stuff" that most people today don't 
consider "important" - and the details are being lost. It may already be 
too late to put the "whole story" together - but the only way to find 
out - is to try - and I hope what can be saved and put into some 
"useful" form might help preserve the machines themselves - particularly 
after most our age are long gone.

Thanks again! and
best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 11 23:56:10 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug 12 00:02:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] request for information... follow-up
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8fc16$7cda23d0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>
References: <48A0A8ED.2010303@bellsouth.net>
	<002a01c8fc16$7cda23d0$6501a8c0@cs.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <48A109DA.1000005@bellsouth.net>

Nick England wrote:
> "Index of Teletypewriter, Facsimile, and Related Equipment"
> Navelex 0967-LP-104-0010
> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/tty/navelex-tty-1977.pdf

While I've assumed this is common knowledge - I'll go ahead at this time 
and note that there are several errors (that I've found so far) in this 
manual.  While most appear to be just "OCR recognition" errors - and 
often are obvious and easy to correct from other info in the book - a 
couple aren't. One specific instance is that the early motor (teletype 
designation LMU1) is mis-identified as PD-111/U - it's actually PD-17/U 
(which isn't in the book anywhere). The PD-17 was only used on two 
teletypes - the TT-47/UG and TT-69/UG - and they are considerably 
different.

Don: In a conversation with me the other day you mentioned you didn't 
think you'd ever seen a "pre" MK-1 - Best I can tell - they only existed 
in the TT-47 (which was never shipped to civilians) and the TT-47A - 
which was only shipped a few years (roughly 1953-1957) - and probably 
not that many were shipped during that time. The "main-stream" model 
seems to be the TT-47B - which shares it's "time" and many, many parts 
with the first ASR - which shipped in 1957. These contained the LK4xxx 
series key boards - (LAK4xxx in the case of the ASRs) which had a long, 
long run (and I suspect are the MKIs).

If anyone is interested in how this reference data is "shaping up" so 
far - here is a link to a "first cut - VERY rough" version of the TT-47 
series...

http://www.comcents.com/tty/tt47 ref.html

Here is the Model 28 from contract (1948) to last version shipped to the 
Navy (TT-47L/UG) (date unknown at this time).

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From jdkopke at cablespeed.com  Tue Aug 12 19:21:26 2008
From: jdkopke at cablespeed.com (John D.Kopke)
Date: Tue Aug 12 19:27:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: For Trade M 28  cabinet
Message-ID: <E3.4A.31411.6FA12A84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>



>
>
>This may be a long shot,but I would like to trade my Model 28 KSR floor standing 
>cabinet for a tabletop version. I know this might not sound like an even trade .  
>however , I have a limited amount of space and it just makes sense. I'll also 
>consider the cold war era Navy version stand which consists of just a welded steel 
>stand. My cabinet is in great shape ,everything's there.   Thank You
>


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 12 20:35:49 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug 12 20:41:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: For Trade M 28  cabinet
In-Reply-To: <E3.4A.31411.6FA12A84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>
References: <E3.4A.31411.6FA12A84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>
Message-ID: <48A22C65.2050702@bellsouth.net>

John D.Kopke wrote:

> I would like to trade my Model 28 KSR floor standing 
> cabinet for a tabletop version. 

Anyone not interested in a trade - I'll offer cash for a cabinet in
reasonable condition - military CY-2539/UG  / Teletype LAC203BR236 --
with it's SB-964/UG  / LESU7.  $250.00 shipped to 39301. (This is the
cabinet that  the TT-69B and TT-70B and newer desk-tops came in). Older
cabinet LAC201BJ105 with either LESU1 or LESU3 or any tabletop in poor
but salvageable or better condition considered  -- (for less $$$) of
course. Let me know if there is any interest.

Thanks - and best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

From jdkopke at cablespeed.com  Wed Aug 13 12:30:45 2008
From: jdkopke at cablespeed.com (John D.Kopke)
Date: Wed Aug 13 12:37:15 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: TTY equipment  aboard USS New Jersey
Message-ID: <29.33.06171.53C03A84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>



>
>I was looking at the battleship New Jersey amateur radio station web site and 
>noticed some TTY gear rack mounted on shelfs in radio central ,Ive been to the 
>battleship and stayed overnight for three nights and it is impressive. If you go 
to 
>www.nj2bb.org/bnjars.html then click on activities then events for 2006 you will 
>see the rack mounted tty's at the bottom of the page .Sorry I can't provide the 
>direct link I'm not exactly a computer guy. Is this A custom outfit for the 
>military or did teletype corporation offer this.
>
>


From w5jv at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 13 13:14:25 2008
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (John Hensley)
Date: Wed Aug 13 13:21:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
Message-ID: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>


Someone respond privately if the list is working.  I have gotten nothing for a couple of weeks now.  I logged into QRZ Settings and my subscriptions show up okay but I get no mail.

I am on digest mode & maybe this function is hosed.

John
_________________________________________________________________
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From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Wed Aug 13 13:27:21 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug 13 13:34:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
Message-ID: <d4f.34b479ad.35d47379@aol.com>

Seems to work to me.
 
Wayne



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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 13 13:58:41 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed Aug 13 14:05:19 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: TTY equipment  aboard USS New Jersey
In-Reply-To: <29.33.06171.53C03A84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>
References: <29.33.06171.53C03A84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>
Message-ID: <48A320D1.4040300@bellsouth.net>

John D.Kopke wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was looking at the battleship New Jersey amateur radio station web site and 
> noticed some TTY gear rack mounted on shelfs in radio central ,
> Is this A custom outfit for the 
> military or did teletype corporation offer this.

I can't see enough of these to tell what exactly they are - however TT 
did supply several "rack mount" versions of the 28 (the 15 guys will 
have to speak to that subject). The AN/FGC-98X and the TT-340 series, 
for instance.

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From Telegrapher at att.net  Wed Aug 13 14:49:50 2008
From: Telegrapher at att.net (Telegrapher@att.net)
Date: Wed Aug 13 14:56:19 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] sT-6 item FS
Message-ID: <081320081849.26764.48A32CCE00091BE00000688C22243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040AAB@att.net>

I ahve an XTK-100 FSK oscillator board fs.  I apparently bought this back in the 70's and lost track of it in all my moves and packing.  Not going to use it in my ST-6 so maybe someone else can.  It's a complete factory assembled board.  Looks like i plugged it into a socket at some time but that was way back then and this is now.  $25 shipped.

Larry
W0OGH

From asekely at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 13 15:04:28 2008
From: asekely at hotmail.com (Andy)
Date: Wed Aug 13 15:10:57 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU148-W19A3BBD2480921EC1D185AA3730@phx.gbl>


test I have been reading the mail with regularity... 3 to 20 or 30 a day....
dont have much luck seeing mine thouh... wondering if I am getting thru...
 Andy 


> From: w5jv@hotmail.com
> To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net; heathkit@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:14:25 +0000
> CC:
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
>
>
> Someone respond privately if the list is working. I have gotten nothing for a couple of weeks now. I logged into QRZ Settings and my subscriptions show up okay but I get no mail.
>
> I am on digest mode & maybe this function is hosed.
>
> John
> _________________________________________________________________
> Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live.
> http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us_______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
From gil at baudot.net  Thu Aug 14 10:57:33 2008
From: gil at baudot.net (gil smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:04:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>

Hi John:

I just checked your greenkeys subscription options, and everything does 
look fine.  I can change you out of digest mode if you'd like (there aren't 
that many emails each day).

I have never used digest mode myself -- has anyone else had any problems 
lately?

gil
(gk moderator)

At 10:14 AM 8/13/2008, John Hensley wrote:

>Someone respond privately if the list is working.  I have gotten nothing 
>for a couple of weeks now.  I logged into QRZ Settings and my 
>subscriptions show up okay but I get no mail.
>
>I am on digest mode & maybe this function is hosed.
>
>John
>_________________________________________________________________
>Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live.
>http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us_______________________________________________
>GreenKeys mailing list
>GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys



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www.vauxelectronics.com


From gil at baudot.net  Thu Aug 14 11:03:36 2008
From: gil at baudot.net (gil smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:10:19 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Manual Request
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-W339ECE156C7003C35362D6877E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-W339ECE156C7003C35362D6877E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080814080107.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>

Hi folks:

I am posting this on behalf of Terry Rob, who is apparently having trouble 
posting.

gil


>
>I am having trouble posting on your Mailing List...  My request is that I 
>would like a copy of the MANUAL for the BOEHEME Model 5-C f.s.k. 
>Converter.  I have had no success in finding one, so far.  All expenses 
>will be met.
>
>Mr. Terry Robinson, VK3DWZ, 21 Russell Avenue, WOODEND, Victoria, 3442, 
>AUSTRALIA.
>
>E-mail:  <mailto:terry_rob@hotmail.com>terry_rob@hotmail.com.



Vaux Electronics, Inc.
480-354-5556
(fax: 480-354-5558)
www.vauxelectronics.com


From WA5CAB at cs.com  Thu Aug 14 11:29:41 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Thu Aug 14 11:36:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Manual Request
Message-ID: <c76.2c551b37.35d5a965@cs.com>

Terry & Gil,

I have a manual whose title says it is the instruction book for Boehme Type 
5-C Series B.  Reprint $15.00 plus shipping.  The IB doesn't give any clue as 
to the significance of "Series B" nor whether there was a "Series A".

I have a 5-C (for sale if anyone needs one).  But during the years in which I 
had it in service I didn't have a manual so I don't know whether it exactly 
matches the manual or not.  

In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:04:14 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gil@baudot.net writes: 
> Hi folks:
> 
> I am posting this on behalf of Terry Rob, who is apparently having trouble 
> posting.
> 
> gil
> 
> 
> >
> >I am having trouble posting on your Mailing List...  My request is that I 
> >would like a copy of the MANUAL for the BOEHEME Model 5-C f.s.k. 
> >Converter.  I have had no success in finding one, so far.  All expenses 
> >will be met.
> >
> >Mr. Terry Robinson, VK3DWZ, 21 Russell Avenue, WOODEND, Victoria, 3442, 
> >AUSTRALIA.
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480   
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 14 12:09:03 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:15:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>
Message-ID: <48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net>

gil smith wrote:

> I have never used digest mode myself -- has anyone else had any problems 
> lately?

Well, yeah - but none that weren't of my own doing (and having nothing 
to do with the list) ;-)  Seriously - I was subscribed to the digest at 
one time - and at times - by the time I'd finally get one - some 
subjects were WAY old and any "goodies" being discussed were (usually) 
long gone...

No more activity than there is - the digest is not (IMHO) a good way to 
go for most people.


best regards!!!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Thu Aug 14 12:53:27 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Thu Aug 14 12:51:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>
	<48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c8fe2e$4c6a8860$0201a8c0@system1>

Folks,

I would like to gently remind everyone that there just aren't very many of
us!   Secondly, we are getting older and thus ever fewer!  I've had to
adjust to the reality that probably half of the visitors to my shack have
never seen an operating teletype machine!   I'm thinking about leaving the
cover off one and hooking it to the foxbox just so that people can say that
they once did see such a machine working!

Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with the reflector.

73

Lee    K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy or Sherry Guttery" <comcents@bellsouth.net>
To: "gil smith" <gil@baudot.net>
Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?


> gil smith wrote:
>
> > I have never used digest mode myself -- has anyone else had any problems
> > lately?
>
> Well, yeah - but none that weren't of my own doing (and having nothing
> to do with the list) ;-)  Seriously - I was subscribed to the digest at
> one time - and at times - by the time I'd finally get one - some
> subjects were WAY old and any "goodies" being discussed were (usually)
> long gone...
>
> No more activity than there is - the digest is not (IMHO) a good way to
> go for most people.
>
>
> best regards!!!
> -- 
> randy guttery
>
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 14 13:03:50 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug 14 13:10:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] yet another documentation request... 
Message-ID: <48A46576.8060608@bellsouth.net>

Is there a list "somewhere" that details the "suffix" on Teletype 
"module" codes?

Example LP111RN/AJG
The first part is easy:
L= Model 28/35;
P= Printer
111= Series

then there is the RN (or RE, WY or whatever)
and then the "options codes"  in this case AJG.

It's these last two "sections" that I'm asking about (though in the case 
of the keyboards it appears to be just one section).

Thanks!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From gil at baudot.net  Thu Aug 14 13:17:28 2008
From: gil at baudot.net (gil smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 13:24:02 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] not many of us left
In-Reply-To: <003f01c8fe2e$4c6a8860$0201a8c0@system1>
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>
	<48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net>
	<003f01c8fe2e$4c6a8860$0201a8c0@system1>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080814100125.026d2ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>

Hi Lee:

Well, as of this morning, there are 359 members on greenkeys.  A few years 
ago it was under 300.  I used to be able to contact ebay buyers, but they 
don't allow that anymore (ebay gets suckier every year).  Once was a day 
when I would see folks bidding on tty gear and send them an invite to 
greenkeys -- we got quite a few folks that way.  But still, greenkeys is 
slowly growing.

Getting older, yes -- but hey, I am still 49 for a couple more months!  Got 
a few more decades left (hopefully) to keep tty stuff running.

But let's all remember that greenkeys is a great archive of tty 
information.  Got an anecdote, tidbit, or how-to-fix-a-machine story?  Post 
it!  We need your expertise.
To be a bit less-gentle than Lee:  post it before you're dead!  Or before 
you forget everything.

Sobering stuff Lee.  Guess I should go do something productive.

gil


At 09:53 AM 8/14/2008, Lee Mushel wrote:
>Folks,
>
>I would like to gently remind everyone that there just aren't very many of
>us!   Secondly, we are getting older and thus ever fewer!  I've had to
>adjust to the reality that probably half of the visitors to my shack have
>never seen an operating teletype machine!   I'm thinking about leaving the
>cover off one and hooking it to the foxbox just so that people can say that
>they once did see such a machine working!
>
>Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with the reflector.
>
>73
>
>Lee    K9WRU
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Randy or Sherry Guttery" <comcents@bellsouth.net>
>To: "gil smith" <gil@baudot.net>
>Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:09 AM
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
>
>
> > gil smith wrote:
> >
> > > I have never used digest mode myself -- has anyone else had any problems
> > > lately?
> >
> > Well, yeah - but none that weren't of my own doing (and having nothing
> > to do with the list) ;-)  Seriously - I was subscribed to the digest at
> > one time - and at times - by the time I'd finally get one - some
> > subjects were WAY old and any "goodies" being discussed were (usually)
> > long gone...
> >
> > No more activity than there is - the digest is not (IMHO) a good way to
> > go for most people.
> >
> >
> > best regards!!!
> > --
> > randy guttery
> >
> > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
> > so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> > http://tendertale.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> >
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>GreenKeys mailing list
>GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys



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480-354-5556
(fax: 480-354-5558)
www.vauxelectronics.com


From mark.richards at massmicro.com  Thu Aug 14 13:32:18 2008
From: mark.richards at massmicro.com (Mark Richards)
Date: Thu Aug 14 13:39:04 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
In-Reply-To: <003f01c8fe2e$4c6a8860$0201a8c0@system1>
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com>	<48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net>
	<003f01c8fe2e$4c6a8860$0201a8c0@system1>
Message-ID: <48A46C22.303@massmicro.com>

Lee Mushel wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I would like to gently remind everyone that there just aren't very many of
> us!   Secondly, we are getting older and thus ever fewer!  I've had to
> adjust to the reality that probably half of the visitors to my shack have
> never seen an operating teletype machine!   I'm thinking about leaving the
> cover off one and hooking it to the foxbox just so that people can say that
> they once did see such a machine working!
>
I have a model 19 in the basement, and various other pieces.  Some (my 
bride) would say that "his excuse for keeping it is..".  It's actually 
my *reason*, and that is for my children.  Our twins (age 6), 
particularly my boy, is fascinated with electronics and mechanical 
things.  I want him to see, smell, hear, learn, and fully experience TTY 
(maybe not the loop betwen hands, however).  The foundations upon its 
technology are the very underpinnings of what we have today in our 
highest technology.  Perspective is everything and there's lots to learn.

So thanks, Greenkeyers, for being here and keeping TTY alive.  I think 
my son and daughter, someday, will understand and have a great 
appreication for what has gone before.

In my estimation "the list is working" very well, thank you.

/mark
k1mgy

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 14 14:11:09 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug 14 14:17:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] not many of us left
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gil smith wrote:

> But let's all remember that greenkeys is a great archive of tty 
> information.  

Yes - but the "archive" seems to be broken at the moment.  I've tried a 
couple of different times to do a search on the archives - and it 
returns an error.  It asks that the error be forwarded to an email 
address - but that address isn't any good.


> To be a bit less-gentle than Lee:  post it before you're dead!  Or 
> before you forget everything.

I'm more afraid of the second "thing" than the first... in fact I hope I 
am the first thing before the second - ah - I think. Wait - what was I 
talking about? ;-)

best regards... (and yes POST something!).
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From wb3akd at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 14 14:25:35 2008
From: wb3akd at earthlink.net (Tom Dawson)
Date: Thu Aug 14 14:29:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] not many of us left
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl><6.1.2.0.2.20080814075409.026a9ec0@mail.vauxelectronics.com><48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net><003f01c8fe2e$4c6a8860$0201a8c0@system1>
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Message-ID: <08b401c8fe3b$25b51890$9001a8c0@ASP>

49 for a couple more months?  Shoot, I've been 49 for five years...........


Tom
WB3AKD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gil smith" <gil@baudot.net>
To: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3@centurytel.net>
Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] not many of us left


> Hi Lee:
>
> Well, as of this morning, there are 359 members on greenkeys.  A few years 
> ago it was under 300.  I used to be able to contact ebay buyers, but they 
> don't allow that anymore (ebay gets suckier every year).  Once was a day 
> when I would see folks bidding on tty gear and send them an invite to 
> greenkeys -- we got quite a few folks that way.  But still, greenkeys is 
> slowly growing.
>
> Getting older, yes -- but hey, I am still 49 for a couple more months! 
> Got a few more decades left (hopefully) to keep tty stuff running.
>
> But let's all remember that greenkeys is a great archive of tty 
> information.  Got an anecdote, tidbit, or how-to-fix-a-machine story? 
> Post it!  We need your expertise.
> To be a bit less-gentle than Lee:  post it before you're dead!  Or before 
> you forget everything.
>
> Sobering stuff Lee.  Guess I should go do something productive.
>
> gil
>
>
> At 09:53 AM 8/14/2008, Lee Mushel wrote:
>>Folks,
>>
>>I would like to gently remind everyone that there just aren't very many of
>>us!   Secondly, we are getting older and thus ever fewer!  I've had to
>>adjust to the reality that probably half of the visitors to my shack have
>>never seen an operating teletype machine!   I'm thinking about leaving the
>>cover off one and hooking it to the foxbox just so that people can say 
>>that
>>they once did see such a machine working!
>>
>>Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with the reflector.
>>
>>73
>>
>>Lee    K9WRU
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Randy or Sherry Guttery" <comcents@bellsouth.net>
>>To: "gil smith" <gil@baudot.net>
>>Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:09 AM
>>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Test - Is the list working?
>>
>>
>> > gil smith wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have never used digest mode myself -- has anyone else had any 
>> > > problems
>> > > lately?
>> >
>> > Well, yeah - but none that weren't of my own doing (and having nothing
>> > to do with the list) ;-)  Seriously - I was subscribed to the digest at
>> > one time - and at times - by the time I'd finally get one - some
>> > subjects were WAY old and any "goodies" being discussed were (usually)
>> > long gone...
>> >
>> > No more activity than there is - the digest is not (IMHO) a good way to
>> > go for most people.
>> >
>> >
>> > best regards!!!
>> > --
>> > randy guttery
>> >
>> > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
>> > so vital to the United States Silent Service:
>> > http://tendertale.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > GreenKeys mailing list
>> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>
>
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From gil at baudot.net  Thu Aug 14 14:30:59 2008
From: gil at baudot.net (gil smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 14:37:32 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] greenkeys archives
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>Yes - but the "archive" seems to be broken at the moment.  I've tried a 
>couple of different times to do a search on the archives - and it returns 
>an error.  It asks that the error be forwarded to an email address - but 
>that address isn't any good.


The archive (2001 to present) is at:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/


Older stuff from an earlier version of greenkeys (1998-2001) is at:
http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html


What is broken?  What error message?  What bad email address?
I gotta clean this up.

gil





Vaux Electronics, Inc.
480-354-5556
(fax: 480-354-5558)
www.vauxelectronics.com


From dd1lm at t-online.de  Thu Aug 14 14:41:41 2008
From: dd1lm at t-online.de (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?q?M=FCller?=)
Date: Thu Aug 14 14:54:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] also request for manuals...
Message-ID: <200808142041.41912.dd1lm@t-online.de>

Hi everybody,
I am looking for a manual too. Maybe a German listmember can help out?
I got two RTTY decoders and AFSK boards, based on the kits sold by DJ6HP (in 
the 70ies?). I have his book about RTTY and so I have the schematics, but I 
still need the description of the printed circuit boards, specially the 
connections to the exterior. Can anybody help out with the original manual?
Regards
Andreas
From gil at baudot.net  Thu Aug 14 14:56:04 2008
From: gil at baudot.net (gil smith)
Date: Thu Aug 14 15:02:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] not many of us left
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	<48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net>
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At 11:25 AM 8/14/2008, Tom Dawson wrote:
>49 for a couple more months?  Shoot, I've been 49 for five years...........


Ahh, thanks for making me laugh this morning!  Maybe I'll try that five 
year thing too.

Joe Satriani is coming to town a few days after my birthday -- that might 
be a fun way to turn 50.  Man that guy can play guitar.  Last year I 
snagged Bill Buzbee's idea for his "Laser Spirograph" for to give my (then 
2nd-grade) cub scouts a laser light show on the wall, using a laser pointer 
and two motors with slightly-angled mirrors and speed controls:
http://www.homebrewcpu.com/projects.htm
Cool patterns with the motors/mirrors, but I swapped out one motor and put 
a speaker with a mirror on it instead -- the one motor spins the laser into 
a circle on the wall, and the speaker modulates it with audio and turns the 
whole thing into a circular oscilloscope display.  Pretty frickin' 
awesome.  Why did I mention this?  I forget.  I must be tuning 50.  Oh yeah 
-- Joe Satriani's "Cool #9" was the song with the perfect bass modulation 
(and great guitar licks) to really give a great display with the 
laser.  But I digress.  Must be turning 50.

You guys remember Bill Buzbee, of HeavyMetal fame.  And Magic-1.  And all 
the other stuff he manages to find time to crank out -- sheesh, Bill can 
actually finish projects faster than I could sketch them on paper.

Bill -- you're turning 50 this year too, aren't you?  Poor bastard.

What was the original question?  I forget.

gil






Vaux Electronics, Inc.
480-354-5556
(fax: 480-354-5558)
www.vauxelectronics.com


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 14 15:54:24 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu Aug 14 16:00:59 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] yet another documentation request...
Message-ID: <15397375.1218743664444.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy or Sherry Guttery <comcents@bellsouth.net>

>Is there a list "somewhere" that details the "suffix" on Teletype 
>"module" codes?

In the case of the keyboard it is the keytop arrangement.
In the case of a typing unit it is the typebox arrangement
and the stuntbox arrangement.  Likewise for Model 32/33
and for the typing reperforators there was the type cylinder
arrangement.

The information was recorded in drawings at the factory called
"analysis charts".  These were mostly used by the sales engineers
to see if what a customer wanted was already coded or if a new
arrangement had to be coded.  Most of the typebox arrangements
were slight variations on the three major ones: communication,
fractions and weather symbols.  Others might be completely
scrambled, as for use on a computer console where the internal
code of the computer was nothing like Baudot/Murray.

From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Thu Aug 14 16:05:18 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 14 16:11:57 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE:  not many of us left
Message-ID: <bbe.30119e88.35d5e9fe@aol.com>

Heck, I'm 65 but my wife says I look 49, but she's prejudiced of course.  
 
There was a great video download of a guy playing guitar and singing about 
aging and forgetting things.  If you see it or know about it pass it along.  
Very funny.  
 
Not looking for a pat on the back, but I have recommended Greenkeys to quite 
a few Teletype owners in the past few years.  
 
Wayne
KB1FDW



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From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Thu Aug 14 16:40:39 2008
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Thu Aug 14 16:47:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE:  not many of us left
In-Reply-To: <bbe.30119e88.35d5e9fe@aol.com>
References: <bbe.30119e88.35d5e9fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48A49847.60105@lightlink.com>

Teletypeparts@aol.com wrote:
> Heck, I'm 65 but my wife says I look 49, but she's prejudiced of course.  

Hopefully it's not because her eyes are going or that her memory is 
better than her eye sight.

I have also posted about this list in a couple of Usenet groups. The 
topic comes up on comp.os.cpm once in a while. In addition to that, I 
have met a few ex-military TTY repair men recently. I always tell them 
how to find this list. Some are not too enthusiastic about it though.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From wa2hwj at att.net  Thu Aug 14 17:01:44 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Thu Aug 14 17:08:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE:  not many of us left
In-Reply-To: <48A49847.60105@lightlink.com>
References: <bbe.30119e88.35d5e9fe@aol.com>
 <48A49847.60105@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <081420082101.5941.48A49D37000F25600000173522230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

Re: the military TTY repair men....

When I started working for Ma Bell in a Teletype gang in 1970,
I was flabbergasted that a large number of the guys in the
gang actually didn't LOVE working on TTY's(!). I guess the
fact that I had my first TTY at age 13 (and have yet to find
them boring) might have had an influence on my attitude.

There were those who would only work on 15's, others would only
touch a 28 (nobody liked 33's). And, there were some who
claimed they were Kleinschmidt experts and so they shouldn't
be expected to be Teletype experts, too. Even "management"
seemed to lean towards one model or the other as far as
expertise.

Go figure...

73,
Jack K0TTY

NNNN


-------------- Original message from Bob McConnell <rmcconne@lightlink.com>: -------------- 


> Teletypeparts@aol.com wrote: 
> > Heck, I'm 65 but my wife says I look 49, but she's prejudiced of course. 
> 
> Hopefully it's not because her eyes are going or that her memory is 
> better than her eye sight. 
> 
> I have also posted about this list in a couple of Usenet groups. The 
> topic comes up on comp.os.cpm once in a while. In addition to that, I 
> have met a few ex-military TTY repair men recently. I always tell them 
> how to find this list. Some are not too enthusiastic about it though. 
> 
> Bob McConnell 
> N2SPP 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Thu Aug 14 17:45:06 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 14 17:51:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE:  not many of us left
Message-ID: <c24.42217c32.35d60162@aol.com>

Well, thanks for not coming back too hard on me for the age brag.  :)
 
My time at Western Union was one of the best.  Started in 1968 and stopped in 
1974.  Working on Teletypes and other related stuff, like Trans-Jet stock 
display equipment, Bomb Alarm systems, fax machines, sometimes helping the 
lineman,and other stuff I have forgotton about was always varied and a challenge.  
Did a lot of 28 work in those days.  I always looked forward to going to work, 
especially the time I spent in Wichita, KS.  Worked with good people and had a 
lot of fun.  Was pretty well paid too!  Was comparing salaries at a coffee 
shop in Wichita one morning.  Found out we made a little more than IBM guys, but 
UPS guy was there also and he was the highest paid.  Worked on my own in the 
late 70's and 80's which was good, but depended on the amount of work for 
income, so wasnt quite the same.  Now, playing with 32 and 33's for hobbyist is 
fun.  Find myself helping out with parts and advice all over the USA and couple 
times in UK.  
 
Best to all,
 
Wayne
KB1FDW



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From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Thu Aug 14 17:46:07 2008
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny@eskimo.com)
Date: Thu Aug 14 17:53:09 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE:  not many of us left
In-Reply-To: <081420082101.5941.48A49D37000F25600000173522230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
References: <bbe.30119e88.35d5e9fe@aol.com> <48A49847.60105@lightlink.com>
	<081420082101.5941.48A49D37000F25600000173522230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
Message-ID: <48A4A79F.3080605@eskimo.com>

wa2hwj@att.net wrote:
> Re: the military TTY repair men....
> 
> When I started working for Ma Bell in a Teletype gang in 1970,
> I was flabbergasted that a large number of the guys in the
> gang actually didn't LOVE working on TTY's(!). I guess the
> fact that I had my first TTY at age 13 (and have yet to find
> them boring) might have had an influence on my attitude.

I wanted to work on Teletype machines so much that I joined
The USAF - where the recruiter "promised me" that I would get
the job as "Depot Teletype maintenance and repair technician".

> There were those who would only work on 15's, others would only
> touch a 28 (nobody liked 33's).
>
> Go figure...

Well, - that just goes to show how intelligent they were!  :-)

> 73,
> Jack K0TTY
> 
> NNNN

73,
W6ESE - aka WA2EAA
NNNNZCZC

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | A HIGH TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS.
                  |
                  | Except for those with a big,
                  | gaping hole in their bottom.
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 14 18:27:55 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug 14 18:34:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] yet another documentation request...
In-Reply-To: <15397375.1218743664444.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <15397375.1218743664444.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48A4B16B.2020001@bellsouth.net>

Jim Haynes wrote:

> The information was recorded in drawings at the factory called
> "analysis charts".  

Thanks - I've just received an "Analysis chart" from one of the 
Greenkeys members - this one is for the LAKs (keyboard for the ASRs). 
I'd love to find one for the Typers as well...  though now that I have 
accumulated some additional info - I might be able to put something of a 
printer "analysis chart" together for the typers as well... at least 
more than we have now...

On the Greenkeys archive search front - I have a 1st "hack" - but I'm 
not happy with it - it would indeed find anything in the later archive - 
BUT it would only get you to the thread list.  You often still had to 
plod down through the threads to find what you were looking for. Of 
course at least the thread was for a specific month - and you do know 
what you are looking for is in that one... but still - I'm looking to 
see if this could be done better.

If'n ya' wanta play:

http://www.comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html


Thanks for the input, Jim!
best regards,
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 14 18:37:58 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu Aug 14 18:44:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] yet another documentation request...
In-Reply-To: <15397375.1218743664444.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <15397375.1218743664444.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48A4B3C6.5070201@bellsouth.net>

Jim Haynes wrote:

> The information was recorded in drawings at the factory called
> "analysis charts".  

Thanks - I've just received an "Analysis chart" from one of the
Greenkeys members - this one is for the LAKs (keyboard for the ASRs).
I'd love to find one for the Typers as well...  though now that I have
accumulated some additional info - I might be able to put something of a
printer "analysis chart" together for the typers as well... at least
more than we have now...

On the Greenkeys archive search front - I have a 1st "hack" - but I'm
not happy with it - it would indeed find anything in the later archive -
BUT it would only get you to the thread list.  You often still had to
plod down through the threads to find what you were looking for. Of
course at least the thread was for a specific month - and you do know
what you are looking for is in that one... but still - I'm looking to
see if this could be done better.

If'n ya' wanta play:

http://www.comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html


Thanks for the input, Jim!
best regards,
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 14 21:38:06 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu Aug 14 21:45:12 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union question
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808142033450.4851@localhost.localdomain>

I ask this periodically, not having got an answer so far, so please don't
complain that you've seen it before.

On lots of old W.U. customer-premises teleprinters that I've seen there
is a fixture that apparently held some kind of motor control relay.  It
has two connections in the signal line circuit and two that control a
relay that controls the motor.  I've never seen the relay and am wondering
what it looks like.  And I can only guess at how it worked.  Maybe the
line current was one polarity for motor off and was reversed to turn
the motor on?




jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

From teletype at buzbee.net  Fri Aug 15 03:14:50 2008
From: teletype at buzbee.net (teletype@buzbee.net)
Date: Fri Aug 15 03:21:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] not many of us left
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20080814113113.02714a28@mail.vauxelectronics.com>
References: <BAY109-W28600A694BD804876D7DED91730@phx.gbl>
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	<48A4589F.1020005@bellsouth.net>
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Gil,

>You guys remember Bill Buzbee, of HeavyMetal fame.  And Magic-1.  And all 
>the other stuff he manages to find time to crank out -- sheesh, Bill can 
>actually finish projects faster than I could sketch them on paper.

>Bill -- you're turning 50 this year too, aren't you?  Poor bastard.

Yup - I'm 50 as of last Sunday.  My wife held the taunting to a minimum in
the belief that if she was nice to me, I'd go easy on her when she hits 50.
She is, of course, wrong about that :-).

To avoid angering the list moderator, I'd better mention something about
teletypes here.  With the assistance of some excellent alpha testing by Rice
and Paul W., there's a new version of HeavyMetal ready for downloading at:

http://www.buzbee.net/heavymetal/hm_2_5.zip

Some bug fixes, a new batch-mode command to send a raw or translated file to
your TTY.  Also, this version was tested on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu Linux.
See the README.Linux for details.

...Bill

From jrbarnish at DRPA.ORG  Fri Aug 15 07:50:17 2008
From: jrbarnish at DRPA.ORG (Jerry Barnish)
Date: Fri Aug 15 07:57:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <63DE25300DE2E94A858523D5163D670119F7C4@sopexchbe01.WKTRM.LOC>

Gentleman:
 
I am a ham for 33 yrs and am experienced with tty operations to a point
of being
just a bit past neophyte.
 
What is the meaning of "NNNN" and "ZCZC" at the ending of a message?
I notice the long term users adding it and also on German Meteo msgs
and have not yet taken the time to research it as of yet.
 
I also agree that the fascination of watching the units print has never
become
boring. The public has no appreciation of the history behind the units
and I also agree that it needs to be preserved forever. 
Fortunately, the Battleship New Jersey is giving me the opportunity to
learn
much more about teletype now then I did when I was active on local
VHF nets in the 1980's.
 
Thanks for all of the infornation posted on this net.
 
Jerry WB2CAK 
From k0bx at arrl.net  Fri Aug 15 09:35:14 2008
From: k0bx at arrl.net (k0bx@arrl.net)
Date: Fri Aug 15 09:41:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Protocols for Message Handling
Message-ID: <602684.45823.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jerry, I don't know the history of the various
protocol's but
 
ZCZC means start of message.  Usually followed by
'routing indicators' or a list of addresses to whom
the message go's to.
 
ZCZC NBQK would say this message is going to the USS
INTREPID CVS-11.  NBQK is the ship id.  Which I was on
as a Radioman 2nd.
 
The NNNN means end of message.  The Model 28 stuntbox
could be setup to read this and the header information
and do something that it had been programmed to do.
 
I was a 'TELEX' (5 Level Model 32) operator for a
Japanese Trading Company while I was in College 
(1970-1975).  It was a Western Union Machine and if I
cut several messages on one paper tape and sent them,
I would add 'NNNNEND' to the last one to indicate end
of traffic.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Joe K0BX

 
Stop the insanity!
Please do not add me to any distribution lists (Joke,
Stories or Junk) without my permission

Stop the insanity!
Please do not add me to any distribution lists (Joke, Stories or Junk) without my permission.
From telegrapher at att.net  Fri Aug 15 12:33:08 2008
From: telegrapher at att.net (telegrapher@att.net)
Date: Fri Aug 15 12:39:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: Not many of us left.
Message-ID: <081520081633.6819.48A5AFC40003B3B000001AA322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040A9B@att.net>

My first encounter with a machine was back in 1959.  Mom was a secretary at the Garden City Sugarbeet Company.  They had a 15 in the office and i was a Sr. in HS.  Shew had them take the machine off line during a lul in the daytime traffic and i got to set there and playaround, typing away like mad but saying nothing to anyone.  Lit a fire.

Then in 1961 or so my dad who was a Plan 55 NCO with the Air Force in the UK had a cerebral hemmorage and the sent for me to come quickly as he wasn't expected to live.  He did for about 30 days but never knew i was there.  The 1st shirt of the squadron arranged for me to spend as much time as i wanted in the TTy section playing with 28's or watching the goings on.  WOW.  Talk about fascinating.  guys putting up circuit patches due to propagation changes and other requirements.  I was definitely hooked.  

After my service time i joined up with ma bell for an occupational tour.  About 1974 i was asked if i wanted to go to TTY school.  Absolutely yes i said.  So 28, 33, 35 and 40 schools followed.  All in Dallas except for the 40 school which was in hot humid Houston.  I didn't care for the "bend and twist" of the 33.  got some time on early model 40's but most of my tty background was as a 28 repairmen.  Loved it all except for the callout's at 9:30 or so in the evenings to drive 100 miles and clear a paper jam for a radio station.  Grrrr.  

Don't know what will happen to my 28 KSR here.  It's to nice to throw in the dump but who knows except for "the Shadow"!

Lots of other tales to.
Larry
W0OGH

From wa2hwj at att.net  Fri Aug 15 13:01:56 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Fri Aug 15 13:08:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: Not many of us left.
In-Reply-To: <081520081633.6819.48A5AFC40003B3B000001AA322230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040A9B@att.net>
Message-ID: <081520081701.4068.48A5B6840005091500000FE422230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

As a TTY man in the 70's in NY, I'd get a lot of callouts
from the county police. Usually they "couldn't send" (tape
on a 28ASR). I'll call them from home and tell them to
move the tape a little and try again. 9 times out of 10 they'd
say "works OK now". I'd roll over and go back to sleep. 
Automatic 4 hours overtime!  (I made a lot of
money off that sixth pin in the TD!!!!!!)

When we converted them to Model 40's (friction feed)
we had to start a midnight to 8AM shift just to have the
coverage for the paper jams....! Of course, they used
that non-carbon multi-sheet paper, just to make matters
worse.

73,
Jack K0TTY


-------------- Original message from telegrapher@att.net: -------------- 

My first encounter with a machine was back in 1959. Mom was a secretary at the Garden City Sugarbeet Company. They had a 15 in the office and i was a Sr. in HS. Shew had them take the machine off line during a lul in the daytime traffic and i got to set there and playaround, typing away like mad but saying nothing 
> to anyone. Lit a fire. 
> Then in 1961 or so my dad who was a Plan 55 NCO with the Air Force in the UK had a cerebral hemmorage and the sent for me to come quickly as he wasn't expected to live. He did for about 30 days but never knew i was there. The 1st shirt of the squadron arranged for me to spend as much time as i wanted in the TTy section playing with 28's or watching the goings on. WOW. Talk about fascinating. guys putting up circuit patches due to propagation changes and 
> other requirements. I was definitely hooked. 
> After my service time i joined up with ma bell for an occupational tour. About 1974 i was asked if i wanted to go to TTY school. Absolutely yes i said. So 
> 28, 33, 35 and 40 schools followed. All in Dallas except for the 40 school 
> which was in hot humid Houston. I didn't care for the "bend and twist" of the 
> 33. got some time on early model 40's but most of my tty background was as a 28 
> repairmen. Loved it all except for the callout's at 9:30 or so in the evenings 
> to drive 100 miles and clear a paper jam for a radio station. Grrrr. 
> 
> Don't know what will happen to my 28 KSR here. It's to nice to throw in the 
> dump but who knows except for "the Shadow"! 
> 
> Lots of other tales to. 
> Larry 
> W0OGH 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Fri Aug 15 15:57:10 2008
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Fri Aug 15 16:04:09 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green
Message-ID: <c290a4d30808151257u778f36cn1f8088ac24cae02e@mail.gmail.com>

I have never heard of "73 Magazine" - but now I kind of wish I had!

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9111800&intsrc=hm_list

Excerpt from the interview:

Can you talk about how you promoted teletype over ham radio messaging,
which was really a precursor to e-mail?

At the top end of the ham band, I heard these strange noises. Someone
said, "That's Johnny Williams in Flushing with his hand teletype." So
I went out to see him and the next thing you know I built a converter
for a ham teletype. It was like e-mail is today, where you can send a
message to anyone that can receive you. It turned on the printer
automatically, received the message, and then turned everything off
and sent a little "beep-beep" acknowledging the message.
From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Aug 15 16:06:32 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Aug 15 16:13:15 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] That Buzbee is one special code writer....
In-Reply-To: <20080815080132.550D8859D2A@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20080815080132.550D8859D2A@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <598C18B0-4E0A-4889-99A7-8C362335E64E@dls.net>

I love it when a plan comes together.

Rice, Wills, and Buzbee, LLC

Reads like a law firm.

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*

Bill,

THe above are a complete mark and space transition for 5 Level and 8  
level.
What are the characters in 6 level TTS code?

Don
K9TTY



Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:14:50 -0700
From: <teletype@buzbee.net>
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] not many of us left
To: "'gil smith'" <gil@baudot.net>
Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <003d01c8fea6$9be2fdf0$5000a8c0@Jupiter>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"


Gil,

> You guys remember Bill Buzbee, of HeavyMetal fame.  And Magic-1.   
> And all
> the other stuff he manages to find time to crank out -- sheesh, Bill  
> can
> actually finish projects faster than I could sketch them on paper.

> Bill -- you're turning 50 this year too, aren't you?  Poor bastard.

Yup - I'm 50 as of last Sunday.  My wife held the taunting to a  
minimum in
the belief that if she was nice to me, I'd go easy on her when she  
hits 50.
She is, of course, wrong about that :-).

To avoid angering the list moderator, I'd better mention something about
teletypes here.  With the assistance of some excellent alpha testing  
by Rice
and Paul W., there's a new version of HeavyMetal ready for downloading  
at:

http://www.buzbee.net/heavymetal/hm_2_5.zip

Some bug fixes, a new batch-mode command to send a raw or translated  
file to
your TTY.  Also, this version was tested on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu  
Linux.
See the README.Linux for details.

...Bill

From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 15 17:52:30 2008
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Fri Aug 15 16:58:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green
References: <c290a4d30808151257u778f36cn1f8088ac24cae02e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c8ff21$37d85ff0$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Brodie" <greenkeys@vaporland.com>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green


>I have never heard of "73 Magazine" - but now I kind of wish I had!
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9111800&intsrc=hm_list
>

I subscribed to it from about 1976 to the time it went out of business. 
There were lots of rtty articals and microprocessor articals in it.  They 
would be worth looking up if you ever get the chance. The last few years the 
magazine went down hill, but I think many of the ham radio magazines did 
also.

I think he was loosing it the last few years.  He took off on the cold 
fusion for power and some kind of silver treatments for illness.

From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Fri Aug 15 18:07:27 2008
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Fri Aug 15 18:14:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green
In-Reply-To: <004c01c8ff21$37d85ff0$2602a8c0@emachine>
References: <c290a4d30808151257u778f36cn1f8088ac24cae02e@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c8ff21$37d85ff0$2602a8c0@emachine>
Message-ID: <48A5FE1F.6080707@lightlink.com>

Ralph Mowery wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brodie" <greenkeys@vaporland.com>
>> I have never heard of "73 Magazine" - but now I kind of wish I had!
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9111800&intsrc=hm_list 
>>
>>
> 
> I subscribed to it from about 1976 to the time it went out of business. 
> There were lots of rtty articals and microprocessor articals in it.  
> They would be worth looking up if you ever get the chance. The last few 
> years the magazine went down hill, but I think many of the ham radio 
> magazines did also.
> 
> I think he was loosing it the last few years.  He took off on the cold 
> fusion for power and some kind of silver treatments for illness.

Every issue of 73 I ever saw was more than half full of construction 
articles. I recall it had one of the first class D linear amps for HF, 
numerous tuners, accessories, transceivers, etc. If you looked long 
enough you would find something you couldn't live without. I wish I 
could get my hands on some of them from the early to mid 70's. My copies 
were lost in a flash flood a couple of decades ago. It was merged with 
"Ham Radio" a short time before that disappeared.

Wayne was always a character though. There were rumors he was one of the 
founders of Mensa, but left it when it became a social group instead of 
the leadership organization he envisioned. The loss of "Byte" left him 
bitter for several years. When he started "Kilobaud" he wanted to call 
it "Kilobyte" but the lawyers wouldn't let him. He was never anywhere 
near politically correct. He also found and provided an outlet for some 
amazing jazz musicians. His editorials were always entertaining and 
provocative.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From wa2hwj at att.net  Fri Aug 15 18:20:09 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Fri Aug 15 18:26:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green
In-Reply-To: <48A5FE1F.6080707@lightlink.com>
References: <c290a4d30808151257u778f36cn1f8088ac24cae02e@mail.gmail.com><004c01c8ff21$37d85ff0$2602a8c0@emachine>
	<48A5FE1F.6080707@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <081520082220.16247.48A6011900068BA700003F7722230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

It was always my experience that about half of the construction articles in 
73 really ever worked!  I once built a RTTY TU with active filters and it took
months to get it to work correctly. 

But, I have to give Wayne credit for having some really good advertisers.
I got my first Model 19 when he ran one of his "Surplus" issues. Bought
it from a place called Selectronics in  Philadelphia, PA, when I was 15
years old. In those days you could ship up to 100 pounds for a fixed
"freight" price, so I bought 100 pounds of TTY perf tape...I still have some of
it!!!! (...good grief). Having moved 7 times and lugging that tape with me, the 
shipping costs continue to rise.

Remember Poly Paks, Godbout, and all of the outfits that sold TTL
chips and clock kits?

73,
Jack K0TTY
-------------- Original message from Bob McConnell <rmcconne@lightlink.com>: -------------- 


> Ralph Mowery wrote: 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brodie" 
> >> I have never heard of "73 Magazine" - but now I kind of wish I had! 
> >> >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleI 
> d=9111800&intsrc=hm_list 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > I subscribed to it from about 1976 to the time it went out of business. 
> > There were lots of rtty articals and microprocessor articals in it. 
> > They would be worth looking up if you ever get the chance. The last few 
> > years the magazine went down hill, but I think many of the ham radio 
> > magazines did also. 
> > 
> > I think he was loosing it the last few years. He took off on the cold 
> > fusion for power and some kind of silver treatments for illness. 
> 
> Every issue of 73 I ever saw was more than half full of construction 
> articles. I recall it had one of the first class D linear amps for HF, 
> numerous tuners, accessories, transceivers, etc. If you looked long 
> enough you would find something you couldn't live without. I wish I 
> could get my hands on some of them from the early to mid 70's. My copies 
> were lost in a flash flood a couple of decades ago. It was merged with 
> "Ham Radio" a short time before that disappeared. 
> 
> Wayne was always a character though. There were rumors he was one of the 
> founders of Mensa, but left it when it became a social group instead of 
> the leadership organization he envisioned. The loss of "Byte" left him 
> bitter for several years. When he started "Kilobaud" he wanted to call 
> it "Kilobyte" but the lawyers wouldn't let him. He was never anywhere 
> near politically correct. He also found and provided an outlet for some 
> amazing jazz musicians. His editorials were always entertaining and 
> provocative. 
> 
> Bob McConnell 
> N2SPP 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Fri Aug 15 18:46:48 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Fri Aug 15 18:44:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green
References: <c290a4d30808151257u778f36cn1f8088ac24cae02e@mail.gmail.com><004c01c8ff21$37d85ff0$2602a8c0@emachine><48A5FE1F.6080707@lightlink.com>
	<081520082220.16247.48A6011900068BA700003F7722230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
Message-ID: <001901c8ff28$cfd09ff0$0201a8c0@system1>

Gosh, yes!   And I guess all of the projects I built must have been part of
that half that never worked!   But, no matter, I had fun!   And don't forget
there was only one Radio Shack store and only one Lafayette Radio!   and you
could buy stuff from Allied Radio....

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wa2hwj@att.net>
To: "Bob McConnell" <rmcconne@lightlink.com>; <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green


> It was always my experience that about half of the construction articles
in
> 73 really ever worked!  I once built a RTTY TU with active filters and it
took
> months to get it to work correctly.
>
> But, I have to give Wayne credit for having some really good advertisers.
> I got my first Model 19 when he ran one of his "Surplus" issues. Bought
> it from a place called Selectronics in  Philadelphia, PA, when I was 15
> years old. In those days you could ship up to 100 pounds for a fixed
> "freight" price, so I bought 100 pounds of TTY perf tape...I still have
some of
> it!!!! (...good grief). Having moved 7 times and lugging that tape with
me, the
> shipping costs continue to rise.
>
> Remember Poly Paks, Godbout, and all of the outfits that sold TTL
> chips and clock kits?
>
> 73,
> Jack K0TTY
> -------------- Original message from Bob McConnell
<rmcconne@lightlink.com>: -------------- 
>
>
> > Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brodie"
> > >> I have never heard of "73 Magazine" - but now I kind of wish I had!
> > >> >>
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleI
> > d=9111800&intsrc=hm_list
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I subscribed to it from about 1976 to the time it went out of
business.
> > > There were lots of rtty articals and microprocessor articals in it.
> > > They would be worth looking up if you ever get the chance. The last
few
> > > years the magazine went down hill, but I think many of the ham radio
> > > magazines did also.
> > >
> > > I think he was loosing it the last few years. He took off on the cold
> > > fusion for power and some kind of silver treatments for illness.
> >
> > Every issue of 73 I ever saw was more than half full of construction
> > articles. I recall it had one of the first class D linear amps for HF,
> > numerous tuners, accessories, transceivers, etc. If you looked long
> > enough you would find something you couldn't live without. I wish I
> > could get my hands on some of them from the early to mid 70's. My copies
> > were lost in a flash flood a couple of decades ago. It was merged with
> > "Ham Radio" a short time before that disappeared.
> >
> > Wayne was always a character though. There were rumors he was one of the
> > founders of Mensa, but left it when it became a social group instead of
> > the leadership organization he envisioned. The loss of "Byte" left him
> > bitter for several years. When he started "Kilobaud" he wanted to call
> > it "Kilobyte" but the lawyers wouldn't let him. He was never anywhere
> > near politically correct. He also found and provided an outlet for some
> > amazing jazz musicians. His editorials were always entertaining and
> > provocative.
> >
> > Bob McConnell
> > N2SPP
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>


From wb6blv at inreach.com  Fri Aug 15 18:43:46 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Fri Aug 15 18:57:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Great interview with ham radio pioneer Wayne Green
Message-ID: <00d701c8ff28$620db7a0$5888fea9@dwilegal>

Heavens to mergatroid (if not farther!)... everything I build from 73
Magazine articles worked, starting with a 2 chip CW keyer back in '72 or '73
and continuing through the Character Recognition Device (solid state
selcal - stunt box0, along with many linears...

if you care to absorb more vintage Greene, check out his 'official' web site

http://www.waynegreen.com/

(hmmm, wonder if there is any mention there of colloidal silver or cold
fusion??)

Enjoy!

John
WB6BLV@inreach.com

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug 16 17:20:49 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sat Aug 16 17:27:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Search pages for Greenkeys archives. 
Message-ID: <48A744B1.6070905@bellsouth.net>

OK - I have the "Older months" archive indexed... this one works a bit 
better than the other - as it at least gets you down to the "day" level 
- so there is far less to look through to find what you're looking for.

Here is the link to the older "stuff"...

http://www.comcents.com/tty/search2/greenkeyssearch.html

hope someone finds these useful...

best regard...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 17 10:42:50 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Sun Aug 17 10:49:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: TTY equipment  aboard USS New Jersey
Message-ID: <380-220088017144250348@earthlink.net>

The M28 RO is probably an AN/UGC-25, standard unit on many Navy ships at
one time.  The rack mounting of the UGC-25 was probably standard, after all
you don't want the TTY flying all over the place as the ship rolls, is
bombarded, etc. Also you need to be able to slide the unit out to  change
the paper, work on the machine, etc.  (I once worked on R-390s in an Army
installation with about 50 R-390s and NONE of them were on slides.  What a
pain!!!)

The rack looks newer than the M15, so that is probably a "new" installation
of the M15.  Originally the M15 was probably bolted to a table that was
bolted to the deck.

73,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/





> [Original Message]
> From: John D.Kopke <jdkopke@cablespeed.com>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 13-Aug-08 12:37:15
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: TTY equipment  aboard USS New Jersey
>
>
> >I was looking at the battleship New Jersey amateur radio station web
site and 
>
> >noticed some TTY gear rack mounted on shelfs in radio central ,Ive been
to the 
>
> >battleship and stayed overnight for three nights and it is impressive.
If you go 
>
> to 
>
> >www.nj2bb.org/bnjars.html then click on activities then events for 2006
you will 
>
> >see the rack mounted tty's at the bottom of the page .Sorry I can't
provide the 
>
> >direct link I'm not exactly a computer guy. Is this A custom outfit for
the 
>
> >military or did teletype corporation offer this.
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 17 10:56:36 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Sun Aug 17 11:03:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <380-220088017145636756@earthlink.net>

"ZCZC" indicates "start of message" and was originally used in military TTY
torn-tape message relay stations.  "ZCZC" is like "RY" in that punches all
five holes and is easily identified by an operator or automatic equipment.

Likewise, "NNNN" was used to indicated the end of a message (maybe because
it sounds like "end"?).

I'll have to do some more research, but I believe these indicators were
first used by the AN/FGC-1 Tape Relay equipment in WWII.  They are still
used today, though in ASCII format by many automated message systems.

73 & have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/


> [Original Message]
> From: Jerry Barnish <jrbarnish@DRPA.ORG>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 15-Aug-08 07:57:02
> Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
>
> Gentleman:
>  
> I am a ham for 33 yrs and am experienced with tty operations to a point
> of being
> just a bit past neophyte.
>  
> What is the meaning of "NNNN" and "ZCZC" at the ending of a message?
> I notice the long term users adding it and also on German Meteo msgs
> and have not yet taken the time to research it as of yet.
>  
> I also agree that the fascination of watching the units print has never
> become
> boring. The public has no appreciation of the history behind the units
> and I also agree that it needs to be preserved forever. 
> Fortunately, the Battleship New Jersey is giving me the opportunity to
> learn
> much more about teletype now then I did when I was active on local
> VHF nets in the 1980's.
>  
> Thanks for all of the infornation posted on this net.
>  
> Jerry WB2CAK 
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From n4mw at msn.com  Sun Aug 17 11:56:36 2008
From: n4mw at msn.com (Dave Meier)
Date: Sun Aug 17 12:12:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
References: <380-220088017145636756@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP5C02B0E021DDFAEC29AC4856F0@phx.gbl>

I found a wikipedia entry which explained this.  It also said that the NNNN
punched hole pattern was just a series single hole punches to be easily
identifiable to the operator as the tear point.

Dave Meier N4MW
www.n4mw.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
To: "Jerry Barnish" <jrbarnish@DRPA.ORG>; <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol


> "ZCZC" indicates "start of message" and was originally used in military
TTY
> torn-tape message relay stations.  "ZCZC" is like "RY" in that punches all
> five holes and is easily identified by an operator or automatic equipment.
>
> Likewise, "NNNN" was used to indicated the end of a message (maybe because
> it sounds like "end"?).
>
> I'll have to do some more research, but I believe these indicators were
> first used by the AN/FGC-1 Tape Relay equipment in WWII.  They are still
> used today, though in ASCII format by many automated message systems.
>
> 73 & have fun,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>
> Chief TTY operator & repairman
> AWA Electronic Communication Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jerry Barnish <jrbarnish@DRPA.ORG>
> > To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: 15-Aug-08 07:57:02
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
> >
> > Gentleman:
> >
> > I am a ham for 33 yrs and am experienced with tty operations to a point
> > of being
> > just a bit past neophyte.
> >
> > What is the meaning of "NNNN" and "ZCZC" at the ending of a message?
> > I notice the long term users adding it and also on German Meteo msgs
> > and have not yet taken the time to research it as of yet.
> >
> > I also agree that the fascination of watching the units print has never
> > become
> > boring. The public has no appreciation of the history behind the units
> > and I also agree that it needs to be preserved forever.
> > Fortunately, the Battleship New Jersey is giving me the opportunity to
> > learn
> > much more about teletype now then I did when I was active on local
> > VHF nets in the 1980's.
> >
> > Thanks for all of the infornation posted on this net.
> >
> > Jerry WB2CAK
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From w5jv at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 17 13:30:08 2008
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (John Hensley)
Date: Sun Aug 17 13:37:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Summer Cleaning:  Test Equipment for sale or trade
Message-ID: <BAY109-W286FA3B10B9ECC5C5ED26A916F0@phx.gbl>


For those of you who maintain old gear: the following need new homes.  Intro pictures at www.qth.com (do a search on callsign w5jv):

USM-281 (Tough military version of the HP180A), dual trace, fully functional, no probes; bandwidth determined by input amp bandpass.  Has standard 50mhz dual input plug-in, useable much higher.

TEKTRONIX 561B dual trace; finest quality analogue wiring I have ever seen.  Comes with standard dual input amplifier and time plug-ins; uses the stock mid-sized Tektronix 2A, 2B, 3A, 3B plug ins available all over the net.

EICO 950 Capacitance/Resistance bridge (have two).  Commercial version (EICO built), mint panels; almost zero hours use.
 
General-Radio 1001A RF Signal Generator - the venerable standard before & during the War.

Will combine one or more if needed; could use a decent digital handheld with charger or what have you.


Thanks,


John
  
_________________________________________________________________
Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows?.
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From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Sun Aug 17 14:19:41 2008
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Sun Aug 17 14:26:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP5C02B0E021DDFAEC29AC4856F0@phx.gbl>
References: <380-220088017145636756@earthlink.net>
	<BLU0-SMTP5C02B0E021DDFAEC29AC4856F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48A86BBD.7070003@ntlworld.com>

Dave Meier wrote:
>  I found a wikipedia entry which explained this.  It also said that
>  the NNNN punched hole pattern was just a series single hole punches
>  to be easily identifiable to the operator as the tear point.

Dave, I couldn't find the article. Could you post the link, please?

I have a feeling that the use of ZCZC & NNNN predates WWII and most 
likely started with the cable operators like Cable & Wireless, where 
torn tape relay was widely used.

Cheers,
Sam

From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug 17 15:09:13 2008
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Sun Aug 17 15:16:10 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 55, Issue 20
References: <20080817080141.F1E59859D57@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <9D775EBC201449D7A7281D7D1199BDC8@JamesTanton>

Randy,
   You did a great job.  If someone don't mind binders and a lot of
paper they could copy all of it using front and back of paper and
make a book for reference.
                                    Great job well done!
                                    James Tanton
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> OK - I have the "Older months" archive indexed... this one works a bit
> better than the other - as it at least gets you down to the "day" level
> - so there is far less to look through to find what you're looking for.
>
> Here is the link to the older "stuff"...
>
> http://www.comcents.com/tty/search2/greenkeyssearch.html
>
> hope someone finds these useful...
>
> best regard...
> -- 
> randy guttery

> 

From korman at zoominternet.net  Sun Aug 17 14:39:07 2008
From: korman at zoominternet.net (korman@zoominternet.net)
Date: Sun Aug 17 15:24:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test
Message-ID: <2904.1218998347@zoominternet.net>

 

	 My mail comes back undelivered 

	 Dave  KB3ELD
From korman at zoominternet.net  Sun Aug 17 14:43:38 2008
From: korman at zoominternet.net (korman@zoominternet.net)
Date: Sun Aug 17 15:28:57 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] MAAM 2009
Message-ID: <2960.1218998618@zoominternet.net>

 

	 I am looking for individuals who would want to participate at the
WWII Weekend Show in Reading June 2009. I have a Teletype Central
Office display that I want to set up. 

	 Dave Kormanicki  KB3ELD
From n4mw at msn.com  Sun Aug 17 16:37:41 2008
From: n4mw at msn.com (Dave Meier)
Date: Sun Aug 17 16:39:34 2008
Subject: Fw: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP215ED44AE88DE23DC3ADE2856F0@phx.gbl>

Sam,

Sure, I should have done that up front: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFTN

Just for info, I Googled "NNNN ZCZC" first and just got a slew of messages
with those chartacters in their text.  Then I Googled "definition: NNNN
ZCZC" and the infomative wikipedia article entitled "Aeronautical Fixed
Telecommunication Network" floated up to the fourth hit.  In this case, the
Google "Definition:" function kind of helped filter out the noise of less
relevant hits.

Dave Meier N4MW
www.n4mw.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sam Hallas" <s.hallas@ntlworld.com>
To: "Dave Meier" <n4mw@msn.com>
Cc: "Greenkeys" <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol


> Dave Meier wrote:
> >  I found a wikipedia entry which explained this.  It also said that
> >  the NNNN punched hole pattern was just a series single hole punches
> >  to be easily identifiable to the operator as the tear point.
>
> Dave, I couldn't find the article. Could you post the link, please?
>
> I have a feeling that the use of ZCZC & NNNN predates WWII and most
> likely started with the cable operators like Cable & Wireless, where
> torn tape relay was widely used.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 17 17:18:02 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Sun Aug 17 17:24:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <380-2200880172118238@earthlink.net>

Sam: Do  you have any sources for the pre-WWII tape relay & ZCZC uses??

Dave:  I saw that Wikipedia article, too.  However, "NNNN" is not "just a
series single hole punches"  --  "N" is 3rd & 4th bits.

  --Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: Sam Hallas <s.hallas@ntlworld.com>
> To: Dave Meier <n4mw@msn.com>
> Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 17-Aug-08 16:19:38
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
>
> Dave Meier wrote:
> >  I found a wikipedia entry which explained this.  It also said that
> >  the NNNN punched hole pattern was just a series single hole punches
> >  to be easily identifiable to the operator as the tear point.
>
> Dave, I couldn't find the article. Could you post the link, please?
>
> I have a feeling that the use of ZCZC & NNNN predates WWII and most 
> likely started with the cable operators like Cable & Wireless, where 
> torn tape relay was widely used.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From n4mw at msn.com  Sun Aug 17 17:45:27 2008
From: n4mw at msn.com (Dave Meier)
Date: Sun Aug 17 17:46:37 2008
Subject: Fw: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP29D2AB2CF054DF01C53F31856F0@phx.gbl>

Duncan,

Yes, I didn't bother to fact check the article but was suspicious.  I guess
the pattern would still be easily recognizable by eye.  Perhaps a better
explanation of NNNN will come forth.

Dave Meier

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
To: "Sam Hallas" <s.hallas@ntlworld.com>; "Dave Meier" <n4mw@msn.com>
Cc: "greenkeys" <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol


> Sam: Do  you have any sources for the pre-WWII tape relay & ZCZC uses??
>
> Dave:  I saw that Wikipedia article, too.  However, "NNNN" is not "just a
> series single hole punches"  --  "N" is 3rd & 4th bits.
>
>   --Duncan
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Sam Hallas <s.hallas@ntlworld.com>
> > To: Dave Meier <n4mw@msn.com>
> > Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: 17-Aug-08 16:19:38
> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
> >
> > Dave Meier wrote:
> > >  I found a wikipedia entry which explained this.  It also said that
> > >  the NNNN punched hole pattern was just a series single hole punches
> > >  to be easily identifiable to the operator as the tear point.
> >
> > Dave, I couldn't find the article. Could you post the link, please?
> >
> > I have a feeling that the use of ZCZC & NNNN predates WWII and most
> > likely started with the cable operators like Cable & Wireless, where
> > torn tape relay was widely used.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sam
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>

From smj at cirr.com  Sun Aug 17 17:44:08 2008
From: smj at cirr.com (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sun Aug 17 17:51:33 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Model 56D pinout
Message-ID: <581DCF97-B082-4958-8B64-19B43C24D490@cirr.com>

Hello, this TTY is probably too recent, but I'm hoping someone might  
have a
clue about it.  I have a Teletype Model 56D which is a video display  
terminal
circa Model 40 which has an RJ45 jack for its line interface.  I  
assumed that
a 3B2 style cable could work with it, however, that doesn't seem to  
be the case.
When the terminal is powered on it runs through its test cycle and  
then stays in
'wait'.  I believe its waiting for a signal on the serial line (via  
RJ45), but I
need the pinout for the cable.  If anyone has a user or technical  
manual on the
56D, I'd appreciate it. 
  
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Sun Aug 17 17:52:53 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sun Aug 17 17:59:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Model 56D pinout
References: <581DCF97-B082-4958-8B64-19B43C24D490@cirr.com>
Message-ID: <006401c900b3$9b40a1e0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>

Here's one on ePay....pretty modern looking stuff

Item number: 160129775629

lar
From smj at cirr.com  Sun Aug 17 18:23:16 2008
From: smj at cirr.com (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sun Aug 17 18:30:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Model 56D pinout
In-Reply-To: <006401c900b3$9b40a1e0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>
References: <581DCF97-B082-4958-8B64-19B43C24D490@cirr.com>
	<006401c900b3$9b40a1e0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>
Message-ID: <EC27C93F-0ED8-4D85-84DA-B2BFE326D76E@cirr.com>


On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:

> Here's one on ePay....pretty modern looking stuff

That particular one looks more like a TTY 4410.  Its got 25 pin EIA  
ports on
the back and a modular jack for the keyboard.  The Model 56D I have  
is similar
but does not have the 25 pin EIA ports.  Also, it has a Model 40  
video screen
(page display on its side) where the one listed has a 80/132 x 25  
style display.


From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Sun Aug 17 19:13:08 2008
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Sun Aug 17 19:19:59 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <380-2200880172118238@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2200880172118238@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48A8B084.6050106@ntlworld.com>

Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>  Sam: Do  you have any sources for the pre-WWII tape relay & ZCZC
>  uses??
>
>  Dave:  I saw that Wikipedia article, too.  However, "NNNN" is not
>  "just a series single hole punches"  --  "N" is 3rd & 4th bits.
>

Sorry, Duncan. It's just a hunch. I've been reading a book on the 
history of Cable & Wireless, picked up at their musuem in Porthcurno, 
Cornwall, last year. I thought they were into torn tape relay in the 
1930s, which suggested it goes back further than WWII.

Have you got the wikipedia link?

Cheers,
Sam

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 17 20:19:41 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun Aug 17 20:27:08 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Model 56D pinout
In-Reply-To: <006401c900b3$9b40a1e0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>
References: <581DCF97-B082-4958-8B64-19B43C24D490@cirr.com>
	<006401c900b3$9b40a1e0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808171918550.5091@localhost.localdomain>


On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Larry Tighe wrote:

> Here's one on ePay....pretty modern looking stuff
>
> Item number: 160129775629
>
At a pretty ridiculous price.  Some of those Teletype terminals had
builtin modems, so I wonder if the one with the modular jack might be
one of those.


From smj at cirr.com  Sun Aug 17 21:03:09 2008
From: smj at cirr.com (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sun Aug 17 21:10:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Model 56D pinout
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808171918550.5091@localhost.localdomain>
References: <581DCF97-B082-4958-8B64-19B43C24D490@cirr.com>
	<006401c900b3$9b40a1e0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0808171918550.5091@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <F12B8DE7-36DD-4590-9A9C-257D04AAE90E@cirr.com>


On Aug 17, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
>>
> At a pretty ridiculous price.  Some of those Teletype terminals had
> builtin modems, so I wonder if the one with the modular jack might be
> one of those.

I agree that price isn't even worth talking about.  This 56D has got to
be either an early prototype or custom job.  I've got a couple of early
'mules' for the 5620 (aka the 'JERQ/blit') and a 4415.  However, this
56D is unique in that it has a Model 40 style page display on its side,
not a normal 80/132 x 25 CRT.  On the back it has two RJ45 (8 pin) and
an RJ11 jack (for the keyboard).  It doesn't appear to have a built in
modem.  I have a hunch that the 8 pin RJ45 labelled 'line' is waiting
for DSR to be raised so it can get out of 'wait'. 
  
From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Aug 17 23:21:23 2008
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (H.W.Hall)
Date: Sun Aug 17 23:31:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <200808172321_MC3-2-C8C-BFF9@compuserve.com>

I seem to recall reading somewhere (long ago) that NNNN was used to signal
the receiving equipment to turn off the teleprinter motor. If that is true,
the I suppose the ZCZC must have been to restart it. Does that jive with
anyone else's recollections?
--Wayne
  WB4OGM   
From sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov  Mon Aug 18 02:39:01 2008
From: sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Mon Aug 18 02:46:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <200808172321_MC3-2-C8C-BFF9@compuserve.com>
References: <200808172321_MC3-2-C8C-BFF9@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <48A91905.2050605@kuw.ibb.gov>

I suppose you could use codings to turn on and off equipment as desired.

When VOA ran an HF RTTY system, we used FAXFAX to start
the tape punches and NNNN to stop the tape punches for our torn tape
relay.

FAXFAX was our term for the message traffic between the stations and
Washington HQ, and even today, the "official" messages are still slugged
FAXFAX, even though we have gone long past the paper tape.  (But
running the RTTY shift was a lot more fun!!)

Actually, I think the machines were really coded for NNN to stop, and
normally, three of the four Ns in a series would stop the reperf. 

We never used ZCZC, but maybe no one ever thought about that.

73
Sheldon

H.W.Hall wrote:
> I seem to recall reading somewhere (long ago) that NNNN was used to signal
> the receiving equipment to turn off the teleprinter motor. If that is true,
> the I suppose the ZCZC must have been to restart it. Does that jive with
> anyone else's recollections?
> --Wayne
>   WB4OGM   
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>   
From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Mon Aug 18 05:49:14 2008
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Mon Aug 18 05:56:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Post Office Pamphlets for Workmen - B4 & B5
Message-ID: <48A9459A.4020305@ntlworld.com>

Two more in this series, thanks to a THG member for scanning his originals.

Pamphlet B4: Quadruplex telegraphs & repeaters. Part A explains the
fundamentals of quadruplex working with step-by-step circuit analysis.
Part B states the reasons for repeaters and lists the different types.

Pamphlet B5: Hughes Type-Printing Telegraph. A short description of the
operation of the Hughes Printing Telegraph, first published 1919.
Explains the signalling method and how the sending and receiving ends
are synchronised.

http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/index.htm#Telegraph

Cheers,
Sam

From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Aug 18 09:25:09 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Mon Aug 18 09:32:08 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <48A91905.2050605@kuw.ibb.gov>
References: <200808172321_MC3-2-C8C-BFF9@compuserve.com>
	<48A91905.2050605@kuw.ibb.gov>
Message-ID: <081820081325.1244.48A97835000833AE000004DC22230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

ZCZC

On switched TTY systems, ZCZC was used as a "broadcast" code to turn on all
machines ("turn on" meaning the machines would go into the "print" mode). Other
codes could be designated as the broadcast code, depending on the how the system worked.
The Bell 83B3 systems used two-letter call directing codes and two-letter TD control
codes. The end of message code was typically a FIGS H LTRS. Obvisouly, these systems
depending on the Model 28's stuntbox to do all of the selection/control work.
I do not recall ever seeing a setup that actually turned the motor on and off in these
systems (how could it turn back on when the stuntbox is doing the work and
it's turned off?). Simpler point-to-point TTY networks used the motor control relay in
the 28 or an external "Idle Line Motor Control" box to turn the machine on and
off. The 28's internal version used the FIGS H LTRS to shut down and any
mark-to-space transition would then turn it back on. The external boxes would
turn off the motor if the line was idle for a set amount of time (anywhere from
1 to 15 minutes). A mark-to-space transition would turn the motor on.
The only time I saw the ZCZC and NNNN used together was on weather TTY circuits and 
TTY systems used by the airlines.

73,
Jack K0TTY

NNNN

-------------- Original message from Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch@kuw.ibb.gov>: -------------- 


> I suppose you could use codings to turn on and off equipment as desired. 
> 
> When VOA ran an HF RTTY system, we used FAXFAX to start 
> the tape punches and NNNN to stop the tape punches for our torn tape 
> relay. 
> 
> FAXFAX was our term for the message traffic between the stations and 
> Washington HQ, and even today, the "official" messages are still slugged 
> FAXFAX, even though we have gone long past the paper tape. (But 
> running the RTTY shift was a lot more fun!!) 
> 
> Actually, I think the machines were really coded for NNN to stop, and 
> normally, three of the four Ns in a series would stop the reperf. 
> 
> We never used ZCZC, but maybe no one ever thought about that. 
> 
> 73 
> Sheldon 
> 
> H.W.Hall wrote: 
> > I seem to recall reading somewhere (long ago) that NNNN was used to signal 
> > the receiving equipment to turn off the teleprinter motor. If that is true, 
> > the I suppose the ZCZC must have been to restart it. Does that jive with 
> > anyone else's recollections? 
> > --Wayne 
> > WB4OGM 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > GreenKeys mailing list 
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
> > 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 18 12:55:56 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon Aug 18 13:03:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <081820081325.1244.48A97835000833AE000004DC22230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
References: <200808172321_MC3-2-C8C-BFF9@compuserve.com>
	<48A91905.2050605@kuw.ibb.gov>
	<081820081325.1244.48A97835000833AE000004DC22230703729B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808181136010.2860@localhost.localdomain>

I'll comment on several recent postings in one posting.

With regard to M28 motor control, the one we had at W5YM was pretty
ordinary and came with the stuntbox coded for FIGS-BLANK-H to turn
off the motor.  There was a latching relay on the LESU, and the
stuntbox contact operated that relay into the motor-off position.
Any break in the signal line would operate the relay to the other
position and turn on the motor.

Back in the days of Irv Hoff there was an amateur radio autostart net
out West.  Some of them had built selective calling circuits using ICs,
essentially an electronic stunt box.  And they used ZCZC to turn the
motor on and NNNN to turn it off.

As I recall some of the Western Union stuff in Plan 55 actually required
LF-NNNN as the end of message signal, so you could have NNNN anywhere in
the message text and it would not cause a shutoff; it had to be at the
start of a line; and an unusual start of line at that since the usual
protocol is to follow LF with a LTRS.   One of the problems here is that
they were sometimes sending offline encrypted text, where the message
headers and all were in the clear and the message body was in five-letter
groups.  So you have to guard against the chance that a crypto group
will include NNNN.  Maybe it's the line feed that takes care of that.

On the FAA systems such as ADIS used for weather distribution there were
unusual sequences of stunts used for control purposes.  I don't begin to
remember much about them, but one was CR-CR-LTRS and another was
FIGS-CR-LTRS.  So if you encounter an ex-FAA Model 28 you'll find things
like that coded into the stunt box.  The weather sequence messages are
ordinarily very short, one liners.  A station on the circuit polls all
the stations to collect their messages in sequence.  The polling calls
are the three(usually)-letter location identifiers, and as I recall the
messages from the stations repeated the location identifier at the 
beginning.




jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 16:20:59 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Mon Aug 18 16:28:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
Message-ID: <cea.3d595864.35db33ab@aol.com>

I recall lots of 28's running, but not typing, waiting for the proper 
characters to turn on the printing.  Wore out lots of mainshafts and motors.  Am I 
correct about this?  
 
Wayne
KB1FDW



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From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Aug 18 16:34:49 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Mon Aug 18 16:41:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <cea.3d595864.35db33ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <081820082034.23410.48A9DCE9000B87A500005B7222216128369B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

Yes...when the 28's are in the non-print mode, everything but the
"print" and "line feed" clutches is still running. And when the function clutch
broke it usually tore the stuntbox function bars to shreds....ouch!

Jack



-------------- Original message from Teletypeparts@aol.com: -------------- 


> I recall lots of 28's running, but not typing, waiting for the proper characters to turn on the printing. Wore out lots of mainshafts and motors. Am 
> I 
> correct about this? 
> 
> Wayne 
> KB1FDW 
> 
> 
> 
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 
> Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300 
> 00000007 ) 
From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 16:41:04 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Mon Aug 18 16:48:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts
Message-ID: <d2b.320c89ce.35db3860@aol.com>

I am looking for some front plates for a 33.  The ones with a hole for the 
Line/Local knob.  Usually say Teletype on them, but other were blank or had 
Western Union or other company names printed on them.  
 
Parts numbers  in order of preference are:
 
181812
185815
186055
186057
186715
 
Thanks,
 
Wayne
KB1FDW



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From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Mon Aug 18 18:28:14 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon Aug 18 18:35:45 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What a ham he must've been
Message-ID: <000501c90181$c41ec690$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>

Good golly miss Mollie....this guy must've been one heck of a TTY'er. 
They're selling his beautiful home brew tty gear on ePay.  I wonder who he 
was.

Item number: 290254096301
Item number: 290254096186


Larry
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 18 19:52:01 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon Aug 18 19:59:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY protocol
In-Reply-To: <cea.3d595864.35db33ab@aol.com>
References: <cea.3d595864.35db33ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808181836080.6503@localhost.localdomain>


On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Teletypeparts@aol.com wrote:

> I recall lots of 28's running, but not typing, waiting for the proper
> characters to turn on the printing.  Wore out lots of mainshafts and motors.  Am I
> correct about this?

Yep.  It was called selective calling.  Very popular with the FAA, among
others.  All these machines were sitting on a multipoint line and a
message would be prefixed with selection characters to turn on printing
at the desired stations, leaving it off at the others.  I guess it was
used in Bell System services as well.  Seems like the commercial-type
customers were a lot less tolerant than the FAA of having the machine
running all the time, making busy sounds but not printing anything.  I'm
told there was eventually an "electronic stunt box" to do this kind of
selecting electronically without the machine having to be on.

Before the Model 28 stunt box there was a product called the SOTUS which
did that kind of function, in a separate non-printing machine.  And
there was ultimately a replacement for the SOTUS, consisting of a Model 28
printer with the front plate mechanism left off, so that all it did was
run the stunt box.  These machines could be put inside a sound-deadened
cabinet away from the printers.

Some of the selective calling 28s have a solenoid on the left side
plate that disables the print suppression.  The FAA wanted to be able
to have all their machines alike, and switch them around to different
services in a station.  When a printer was used in weather service it
needed to copy all the traffic on the line; while in flight plan service
it needed to copy only traffic addressed to the particular station.
So the solenoid override made it easy to switch between these two
operating requirements.
From jdkopke at cablespeed.com  Mon Aug 18 19:58:07 2008
From: jdkopke at cablespeed.com (John D.Kopke)
Date: Mon Aug 18 20:05:10 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: What a ham he must've been.
Message-ID: <C8.88.06171.F8C0AA84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>



>
>
>Demod And Keyer? Anyone who homebrew's stuff like that is serious.
>


From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Mon Aug 18 20:27:44 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Mon Aug 18 20:26:09 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: What a ham he must've been.
References: <C8.88.06171.F8C0AA84@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net>
Message-ID: <00a701c90192$68f0e300$0201a8c0@system1>

Well, if you need spare parts for an ST-6, here's your chance.

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John D.Kopke" <jdkopke@cablespeed.com>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: What a ham he must've been.


> 
> 
> >
> >
> >Demod And Keyer? Anyone who homebrew's stuff like that is serious.
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> 
> 

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug 19 09:33:54 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Aug 19 09:38:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's  still running
Message-ID: <02c601c90200$39760060$2000a8c0@ljt>

A friend e-mailed me this link to the Morse people club.

I guess the Bell 103 is still very popular and running strong.  There's a 
circuit description that shows the sounder being run from the 103.  I wonder 
if that would key a TTY magnet too....I don't know the current in a Morse 
sounder.

http://www.faradic.net/~gsraven/dialup/telegraph_time_machine.html


Larry
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Tue Aug 19 10:12:09 2008
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (vibroplex@mindspring.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 10:19:13 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's  still running
Message-ID: <10103046.1219155129389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Everyone,

I am active on the Morse Telegraph Club's dial up network for the past 15 years.  If anyone is interested in landline American Morse, you would be welcome to join us.  All you need is a dialtone, a small converter circuit and a Bell 103 modem.  We pound brass the old fashioned way!  Until this year we had a 106 year old former Wabash operator who regularly checked in.

We have kicked around the idea of putting the selector magnets of a TTY on our circuit to see if we could make it go....upcoming project for the winter months.  If anyone on the list would be interested in working with me on this over the winter, I'd be interested in talking with them.  Unfortunately, I have no free time for the next couple of months.

73,

Derek
WB0TUA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Tighe <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
>Sent: Aug 19, 2008 8:33 AM
>To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's  still running
>
>A friend e-mailed me this link to the Morse people club.
>
>I guess the Bell 103 is still very popular and running strong.  There's a 
>circuit description that shows the sounder being run from the 103.  I wonder 
>if that would key a TTY magnet too....I don't know the current in a Morse 
>sounder.
>
>http://www.faradic.net/~gsraven/dialup/telegraph_time_machine.html
>
>
>Larry
>K2JIA
>www.antiquetelephone.com 
>
>_______________________________________________
>GreenKeys mailing list
>GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Tue Aug 19 12:23:03 2008
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Tue Aug 19 12:30:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's  still running
In-Reply-To: <10103046.1219155129389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10103046.1219155129389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48AAF367.8020408@ntlworld.com>

vibroplex@mindspring.com wrote:
>  I am active on the Morse Telegraph Club's dial up network for the
>  past 15 years.  etc....
>
>  We have kicked around the idea of putting the selector magnets of a
>  TTY on our circuit to see if we could make it go....upcoming project
>  for the winter months.  If anyone on the list would be interested in
>  working with me on this over the winter, I'd be interested in talking
>  with them. 
Derek and all,
Don't reinvent the wheel. It's already been done! See Henning Treumann's 
web page:
http://www.teleprinter.net/english/index.html
and click on Telexphone Net

Cheers,
Sam

From henning at teleprinter.net  Tue Aug 19 13:04:57 2008
From: henning at teleprinter.net (Henning DF3OE)
Date: Tue Aug 19 13:12:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's still running
In-Reply-To: <48AAF367.8020408@ntlworld.com>
References: <10103046.1219155129389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<48AAF367.8020408@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <75e5fca50808191004t6a43b2t72afcba2c706bf68@mail.gmail.com>

Actually our TelexPhone group (namely our friend Fred) is designing a
new version of the board with integrated
modem, Telex PABX etc. which will also support modern VOIP phone lines
and other teleprinter
interfaces than the TW39 system.
Once we have the project ready for field use I will inform anyone who
is interested.

cheers,
Henning DF3OE
www.teleprinter.net





2008/8/19 Sam Hallas <s.hallas@ntlworld.com>:
> vibroplex@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>  I am active on the Morse Telegraph Club's dial up network for the
>>  past 15 years.  etc....
>>
>>  We have kicked around the idea of putting the selector magnets of a
>>  TTY on our circuit to see if we could make it go....upcoming project
>>  for the winter months.  If anyone on the list would be interested in
>>  working with me on this over the winter, I'd be interested in talking
>>  with them.
>
> Derek and all,
> Don't reinvent the wheel. It's already been done! See Henning Treumann's web
> page:
> http://www.teleprinter.net/english/index.html
> and click on Telexphone Net
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>
From chrise at pobox.com  Wed Aug 20 11:33:48 2008
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Wed Aug 20 11:41:02 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 disable printing when punching?
Message-ID: <20080820153348.GB14568@n0jcf.net>

Is there a mod or recommended practice for disabling printing when the
M33's punch is enabled?

I'm sure in the old days when a M33 was new, nobody really worried about
printing junk while they were punching a tape.  Today, I'm a little more
concerned about using up ribbon, paper and life of the print mechanism
when I am punching a tape.

I'm curious if there is a relatively non-intrusive mod that could be
done that would disable the printer when the punch is turned on...?

I will also consider an external control-- such as a relay that
gets activated by a signal from my controlling computer that would
choose between printing and punching...  but it seems, at least for my
applications, that punching and printing are exclusive operations and the
act of enabling the punch would be sufficient to disable the printing...

Chris N0JCF

-- 
Chris Elmquist
mailto:chrise@pobox.com
From wa2hwj at att.net  Wed Aug 20 11:38:48 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Wed Aug 20 11:46:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 disable printing when punching?
In-Reply-To: <20080820153348.GB14568@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <082020081538.11035.48AC3A87000CF23F00002B1B22228869349B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

Chris,

The punch operates off the same codes bars as the printer. I've never seen a 33 that
I don't think you can disable the "print" function to keep it from printing
while otherwise operating.

73,
Jack K0TTY


-------------- Original message from Chris Elmquist <chrise@pobox.com>: -------------- 


> Is there a mod or recommended practice for disabling printing when the 
> M33's punch is enabled? 
> 
> I'm sure in the old days when a M33 was new, nobody really worried about 
> printing junk while they were punching a tape. Today, I'm a little more 
> concerned about using up ribbon, paper and life of the print mechanism 
> when I am punching a tape. 
> 
> I'm curious if there is a relatively non-intrusive mod that could be 
> done that would disable the printer when the punch is turned on...? 
> 
> I will also consider an external control-- such as a relay that 
> gets activated by a signal from my controlling computer that would 
> choose between printing and punching... but it seems, at least for my 
> applications, that punching and printing are exclusive operations and the 
> act of enabling the punch would be sufficient to disable the printing... 
> 
> Chris N0JCF 
> 
> -- 
> Chris Elmquist 
> mailto:chrise@pobox.com 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From jones at cs.uiowa.edu  Wed Aug 20 12:08:00 2008
From: jones at cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones)
Date: Wed Aug 20 12:15:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 disable printing when punching?
In-Reply-To: <20080820153348.GB14568@n0jcf.net>
References: <20080820153348.GB14568@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <9FD351E6-7F86-4868-8011-7DD68A563B65@cs.uiowa.edu>


On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Chris Elmquist wrote:

> Is there a mod or recommended practice for disabling printing when the
> M33's punch is enabled?

I recall that Honeywell (or the predecessor of their minicomputer
division, CCC -- Computer Control Corporation) must have been concerned
about this in the 1960's, because they designed the object code format
(the binary format used by assembly output) for the DDP 615 (formerly
the CCC 516) so that it was entirely non-printing.  As a result, you
could read object code paper tapes on a M33 without wasting paper or
ribbon.  There was plenty of clatter, though.

I wish I could remember more about the format, I think they used what
would later be designated as the lower-case block of ASCII characters
to get 5 bits of data per character, with a few otherwise unused
control characters substituted in for rubout and a few other codes
they didn't want to trample.

During assembly, before printing a line of listing, the assembler would
output an XON, object code, and XOF, so the object tape and listing were
both output to the M33 at the same time, again, with no nonsense printed
in the listing as the binary code went by, just lots of noise.

I thought the whole thing was very clever, but it wold have been nicer
if there were something analogous to XON XOF to turn on and off the
printer as well as the device control characters for the reader and
punch.

		Doug Jones
		jones@cs.uiowa.edu
From wa2hwj at att.net  Wed Aug 20 12:43:31 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Wed Aug 20 12:50:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 disable printing when punching?
In-Reply-To: <9FD351E6-7F86-4868-8011-7DD68A563B65@cs.uiowa.edu>
References: <20080820153348.GB14568@n0jcf.net>
	<9FD351E6-7F86-4868-8011-7DD68A563B65@cs.uiowa.edu>
Message-ID: <082020081643.5825.48AC49B30001DAAB000016C122230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

A 33 TD can run without having the printer/perf operating. The rear distributor
operates as tape runs through, but the printer stays silent (relatively speaking), 
with the mainshaft still turning, etc.
Of course, the machine would have to be wired for "full duplex" so the
TD/keyboard and printer/perf are on their own circuits.


-------------- Original message from "Douglas W. Jones" <jones@cs.uiowa.edu>: -------------- 


> 
> On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Chris Elmquist wrote: 
> 
> > Is there a mod or recommended practice for disabling printing when the 
> > M33's punch is enabled? 
> 
> I recall that Honeywell (or the predecessor of their minicomputer 
> division, CCC -- Computer Control Corporation) must have been concerned 
> about this in the 1960's, because they designed the object code format 
> (the binary format used by assembly output) for the DDP 615 (formerly 
> the CCC 516) so that it was entirely non-printing. As a result, you 
> could read object code paper tapes on a M33 without wasting paper or 
> ribbon. There was plenty of clatter, though. 
> 
> I wish I could remember more about the format, I think they used what 
> would later be designated as the lower-case block of ASCII characters 
> to get 5 bits of data per character, with a few otherwise unused 
> control characters substituted in for rubout and a few other codes 
> they didn't want to trample. 
> 
> During assembly, before printing a line of listing, the assembler would 
> output an XON, object code, and XOF, so the object tape and listing were 
> both output to the M33 at the same time, again, with no nonsense printed 
> in the listing as the binary code went by, just lots of noise. 
> 
> I thought the whole thing was very clever, but it wold have been nicer 
> if there were something analogous to XON XOF to turn on and off the 
> printer as well as the device control characters for the reader and 
> punch. 
> 
> Doug Jones 
> jones@cs.uiowa.edu 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 13:32:30 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug 20 13:39:58 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 disable printing when punching?
Message-ID: <bfd.3db35558.35ddaf2e@aol.com>

I have seen this in a special machine, a Jones & Lamson Tape Editor.  Print 
was disabled when the computer was sending EIA code to the printer and tape 
punch.  I seem to remember that it was a special solonoid in the bottom of the 
printer that stopped the printing while still punching the tape.  I will look 
into it some, but dont have the parts on hand for the job.  The key is to 
remember what the solonoid did.  Need some time to work on it.  
 
Wayne
KB1DFW



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
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From chrise at pobox.com  Wed Aug 20 13:39:23 2008
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Wed Aug 20 13:46:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 disable printing when punching?
In-Reply-To: <bfd.3db35558.35ddaf2e@aol.com>
References: <bfd.3db35558.35ddaf2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080820173923.GC14568@n0jcf.net>

OK. Cool. Thanks for the replies gang.  There is sure no rush on this
investigation.  It is sounding like it is not a simple electrical solution
however--  and perhaps this solonoid operates a clutch or something--
which is probably a more complicated approach than I was considering.

Thanks for the comments and help!

Chris

On Wednesday (08/20/2008 at 01:32PM -0400), Teletypeparts@aol.com wrote:
> I have seen this in a special machine, a Jones & Lamson Tape Editor.  Print 
> was disabled when the computer was sending EIA code to the printer and tape 
> punch.  I seem to remember that it was a special solonoid in the bottom of the 
> printer that stopped the printing while still punching the tape.  I will look 
> into it some, but dont have the parts on hand for the job.  The key is to 
> remember what the solonoid did.  Need some time to work on it.  
>  
> Wayne
> KB1DFW
> 
> 
> 
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
> deal here.      
> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

-- 
Chris Elmquist
mailto:chrise@pobox.com
From wa2hwj at att.net  Wed Aug 20 13:52:23 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Wed Aug 20 13:59:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] MORSE interface
In-Reply-To: <10103046.1219155129389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <082020081752.28870.48AC59D70006CACC000070C622218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

Derek,

I took a look at the KOB diagram for the "modem interface". There's a gadget on
Ebay that would do the job almost perfectly (for the sounder/key interface).
It has an RS232 interface and converts it to a 20/30ma. 30 VDC loop (full
or half duplex).  Try looking at "current loop" on Ebay and search for
the Black Box CL-50 that's selling for around $5.00.  

I suspect that if it's optioned for half duplex and the key and sounder are
wired in series, it'll do the same thing as the KOB circuit. It will
even provide the loop voltage. Can't beat the
$5.00 price. We're TTY'ers can't use it since it cannot key a HV TTY loop.
However, it would work for a Model 33 which uses a 20ma. 30 VDC
loop. I believe one of the Greenkeyers had developed a HV interface...?

(I'm hampered from doing any experimenting until the shack is set up...)

73,
Jack K0TTY

NNNN

-------------- Original message from vibroplex@mindspring.com: -------------- 


> Hi Everyone, 
> I am active on the Morse Telegraph Club's dial up network for the past 15 years. If anyone is interested in landline American Morse, you would be welcome to join us. All you need is a dialtone, a small converter circuit and a Bell 103 modem. We pound brass the old fashioned way! Until this year we had a 106 year old 
> former Wabash operator who regularly checked in. 
> We have kicked around the idea of putting the selector magnets of a TTY on our circuit to see if we could make it go....upcoming project for the winter months. If anyone on the list would be interested in working with me on this over the winter, I'd be interested in talking with them. Unfortunately, I have no free 
> time for the next couple of months. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Derek 
> WB0TUA 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> >From: Larry Tighe 
> >Sent: Aug 19, 2008 8:33 AM 
> >To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net 
> >Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's still running 
> > 
> >A friend e-mailed me this link to the Morse people club. 
> > 
> >I guess the Bell 103 is still very popular and running strong. There's a 
> >circuit description that shows the sounder being run from the 103. I wonder 
> >if that would key a TTY magnet too....I don't know the current in a Morse 
> >sounder. 
> > 
> >http://www.faradic.net/~gsraven/dialup/telegraph_time_machine.html 
> > 
> > 
> >Larry 
> >K2JIA 
> >www.antiquetelephone.com 
> > 
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From wa2hwj at att.net  Wed Aug 20 13:55:19 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Wed Aug 20 14:02:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] MORSE interface
In-Reply-To: <10103046.1219155129389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <082020081755.8023.48AC5A86000E659200001F5722218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

Derek,

I took a look at the KOB diagram for the "modem interface". There's a gadget on
Ebay that would do the job almost perfectly (for the sounder/key interface).
It has an RS232 interface and converts it to a 20/30ma. 30 VDC loop (full
or half duplex).  Try looking at "current loop" on Ebay and search for
the Black Box CL-50 that's selling for around $5.00.  

I suspect that if it's optioned for half duplex and the key and sounder are
wired in series, it'll do the same thing as the KOB circuit. It will
even provide the loop voltage. Can't beat the
$5.00 price. We're TTY'ers can't use it since it cannot key a HV TTY loop.
However, it would work for a Model 33 which uses a 20ma. 30 VDC
loop. I believe one of the Greenkeyers had developed a HV interface...?

(I'm hampered from doing any experimenting until the shack is set up...)

73,
Jack K0TTY

NNNN

-------------- Original message from vibroplex@mindspring.com: -------------- 


> Hi Everyone, 
> I am active on the Morse Telegraph Club's dial up network for the past 15 years. If anyone is interested in landline American Morse, you would be welcome to join us. All you need is a dialtone, a small converter circuit and a Bell 103 modem. We pound brass the old fashioned way! Until this year we had a 106 year old 
> former Wabash operator who regularly checked in. 
> We have kicked around the idea of putting the selector magnets of a TTY on our circuit to see if we could make it go....upcoming project for the winter months. If anyone on the list would be interested in working with me on this over the winter, I'd be interested in talking with them. Unfortunately, I have no free 
> time for the next couple of months. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Derek 
> WB0TUA 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> >From: Larry Tighe 
> >Sent: Aug 19, 2008 8:33 AM 
> >To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net 
> >Subject: [GreenKeys] Older stuff than TTY's still running 
> > 
> >A friend e-mailed me this link to the Morse people club. 
> > 
> >I guess the Bell 103 is still very popular and running strong. There's a 
> >circuit description that shows the sounder being run from the 103. I wonder 
> >if that would key a TTY magnet too....I don't know the current in a Morse 
> >sounder. 
> > 
> >http://www.faradic.net/~gsraven/dialup/telegraph_time_machine.html 
> > 
> > 
> >Larry 
> >K2JIA 
> >www.antiquetelephone.com 
> > 
> >_______________________________________________ 
> >GreenKeys mailing list 
> >GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Wed Aug 20 15:10:16 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed Aug 20 15:17:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] CL-50 Modems
Message-ID: <04cf01c902f8$688d1070$2000a8c0@ljt>

They're still on eBay and at $3 or Buy It Now for $5.
      Black Box 232/CL-E Current-Loop Interface Converter Item number: 
380055179581


Larry
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 16:13:52 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug 20 16:21:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 33 non print
Message-ID: <cd5.38327828.35ddd500@aol.com>

Chris,
 
There is a mod kit to suppress print for a 33.  Looks like quite a job to 
install if you can find one.  You might try the following at your own risk!  
 
Open the lid w/window and look on the right side of the code bars that the 
carriage rides on.  Look at the white metal next to the springs where they are 
numbered.  Just to the rear of number 1 is a different colored bar that is 
labled PS.  P over S.  If you use a small dowel to hold down this bar while 
typing, nothing will print and the carriage will stay to the left.  You might get 
creative with a dowel or other tool to gently install when you want no printing. 
 
 
Good Luck.
 
Wayne



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From k9tty at dls.net  Wed Aug 20 23:19:53 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed Aug 20 23:27:13 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 Punching without printing...
Message-ID: <62559.1219288793@dls.net>

I remember vaguely a mod kit to keep the print hammer from hitting the typewheel...

Maybe my memory is defective.

Don
K9TTY

From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Thu Aug 21 03:01:13 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Thu Aug 21 03:08:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] animated video
Message-ID: <082120080701.4024.48AD12B90008DD2B00000FB822218683269B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>

Any programmers out there who would want to see this, let me know.  I'll forward it to you off line.  terrific piece of work but evidently someone had a little to much time and created a great little program.  Oughta make you laugh.

Larry
W0OGH

From boatanchor at martasystems.com  Thu Aug 21 12:53:20 2008
From: boatanchor at martasystems.com (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
Date: Thu Aug 21 13:00:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Paper Tape Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <20080821080117.48D20859D50@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANEEOJIHAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>

I'm refurbishing the Kleinschmidt equipment for my GRC-46 set, and
discovered that I don't have any more 7/8" tape for the TT-76 reperf. Got
plenty of the other sizes...

So, anyone got some they could part with?

Thanks,
john wb6azp

From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Fri Aug 22 12:14:11 2008
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Fri Aug 22 12:19:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 parts and questions
Message-ID: <48AEE5D3.2020107@9-5usa.org>

Hi, folks
I need a couple of parts for a Model 19 I recently bought as well as 
some advice.

First for the parts, I need the cord that pulls the carriage back on the 
return.  The second part I need is, I think, one of the Y-levers.  It is 
the longest one.  I hate to admit it but in my ham-fisted attempts to 
get the thing running I got the carriage off track and ended up with the 
couple of broken parts (that I know of). 

The set has been sitting unused for 35-40 years in a house which had 
been closed up but still had utilities connected and running.  The man 
who sold it really thought it would still be in operating condition.  
The AC has been kept on in the house but this was in south Louisiana so 
the humidity level, even with AC, is much higher than anyplace else!  
The set has a Signal Corps RA-87 Rectifier.  I had to replace the DC 
cord.  The machine runs but is running open.  The bars under the 
carriage just vibrate back and forth.  (I'm new to teletype so I'm not 
familiar, yet, with a lot of the terms.)  The tape punch works fine but 
the keys on the carriage do not operate whenever a key is pressed on the 
keyboard. 

One question I have is whether or not the 60ma loop is being supplied by 
the RA-87?  Second question is, assuming the loop is supplied by the 
RA-87, what/where should I check to get the thing to run closed?

One DC socket on the power supply has apparently gone dead.  The other 
is still active but the plug doesn't fit well at all.  I'm tracking down 
some schematics and may try to have the PS rebuilt.

My direct e-mail address is kh-phillips@9-5usa.org.  My cellphone number 
is 979-229-8954 if you think you could talk me through some 
troubleshooting tips . . . or just want to chew me out for screwing up 
the machine!  ;-)

Thanks,
Kevin


From WA5CAB at cs.com  Fri Aug 22 12:34:07 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Fri Aug 22 12:41:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 parts and questions
Message-ID: <c74.367aac14.35e0447f@cs.com>

Kevin,

It's been far too many years since I last played with an M15 or M19 to answer 
most of your questions so you'll have to wait for someone with more recent 
experience to speak up.  But I can answer your questions about the RA-87.  Yes, 
it is the DC loop supply.  And although odds are that you need to add at least 
one jumper to close the loop for the printer and probably some others to put 
the keyboard in series with the line printer (as the machine would normally 
have been connected into external circuits), odds are also that the RA-87 isn't 
working.  

First, it has filter capacitors that may need to be replaced (not really a 
big deal other than finding something that fits mechanically).  Second, it uses 
a selenium rectifier and odds are almost 100% that it is bad.  Selenium 
rectifiers turned out to have a 30-50 year shelf and service life (fact not known 
when they were new).  So it needs to be replaced with a silicon rectifier.  
Until that is done, I would unplug the AC cord for the RA-87.

Also, if the 19 set has a rectifier with an RA-87 or RA-87-A nameplate, it's 
may be a military set.  Look around for a nameplate or nameplates for the set 
or the other components.  Something beginning with TT, TG or AN/FGC for 
example.  If you can locate anything like that, it's possible one of us may have the 
TM 11 on that particular set.

In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:12:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
kh-phillips@9-5usa.org writes: 
> First for the parts, I need the cord that pulls the carriage back on the 
> return.  The second part I need is, I think, one of the Y-levers.  It is 
> the longest one.  I hate to admit it but in my ham-fisted attempts to 
> get the thing running I got the carriage off track and ended up with the 
> couple of broken parts (that I know of). 
> 
> The set has been sitting unused for 35-40 years in a house which had 
> been closed up but still had utilities connected and running.  The man 
> who sold it really thought it would still be in operating condition.  
> The AC has been kept on in the house but this was in south Louisiana so 
> the humidity level, even with AC, is much higher than anyplace else!  
> The set has a Signal Corps RA-87 Rectifier.  I had to replace the DC 
> cord.  The machine runs but is running open.  The bars under the 
> carriage just vibrate back and forth.  (I'm new to teletype so I'm not 
> familiar, yet, with a lot of the terms.)  The tape punch works fine but 
> the keys on the carriage do not operate whenever a key is pressed on the 
> keyboard. 
> 
> One question I have is whether or not the 60ma loop is being supplied by 
> the RA-87?  Second question is, assuming the loop is supplied by the 
> RA-87, what/where should I check to get the thing to run closed?
> 
> One DC socket on the power supply has apparently gone dead.  The other 
> is still active but the plug doesn't fit well at all.  I'm tracking down 
> some schematics and may try to have the PS rebuilt.
> 

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480   
From wa2hwj at att.net  Fri Aug 22 20:46:18 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Fri Aug 22 20:53:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 parts and questions
In-Reply-To: <c74.367aac14.35e0447f@cs.com>
Message-ID: <082320080046.22171.48AF5DDA00046C130000569B22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

The rectifiers supplied with the Model 19 can be used for a "local loop".
They also supply power to the keyboard punch and bias
voltage current to the line relay. The line relay is wired to use the power
supply to then key an internal loop for the printer.
The actual signal "loop" is provided externally in a
standard configuration. If the wiring is "stock" then there should
be a connection at the polar relay's contacts that can be shorted, thus 
creating the "local loop". If the polar relay is removed, the socket
contacts for the relay's common and MARK/SPACE contacts can be
jumpered out. (This holds true for any "stock" TTY, by the way.)
In fact, if a milliameter is placed in the correct contact positions, the machine
should lock up and the loop current can be read. 
I would caution that the supply be tested for
good DC since the rectifier and caps are pretty old. Ripple on the DC would definitely
impact the performance of the mahcine if the supply is used to provide
the loop voltage. 
Wiring diagrams for the Model 19 are in the "New RTTY Handbook" by
Byron Kretzman and the TAB "RTTY Handbook" by Wayne Green.

73,
Jack K0TTY

NNNN

-------------- Original message from WA5CAB@cs.com: -------------- 


> Kevin, 
> 
> It's been far too many years since I last played with an M15 or M19 to answer 
> most of your questions so you'll have to wait for someone with more recent 
> experience to speak up. But I can answer your questions about the RA-87. Yes, 
> it is the DC loop supply. And although odds are that you need to add at least 
> one jumper to close the loop for the printer and probably some others to put 
> the keyboard in series with the line printer (as the machine would normally 
> have been connected into external circuits), odds are also that the RA-87 isn't 
> working. 
> 
> First, it has filter capacitors that may need to be replaced (not really a 
> big deal other than finding something that fits mechanically). Second, it uses 
> a selenium rectifier and odds are almost 100% that it is bad. Selenium rectifiers turned out to have a 30-50 year shelf and service life (fact not 
> known 
> when they were new). So it needs to be replaced with a silicon rectifier. 
> Until that is done, I would unplug the AC cord for the RA-87. 
> 
> Also, if the 19 set has a rectifier with an RA-87 or RA-87-A nameplate, it's 
> may be a military set. Look around for a nameplate or nameplates for the set 
> or the other components. Something beginning with TT, TG or AN/FGC for 
> example. If you can locate anything like that, it's possible one of us may have 
> the 
> TM 11 on that particular set. 
> 
> In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:12:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> kh-phillips@9-5usa.org writes: 
> > First for the parts, I need the cord that pulls the carriage back on the 
> > return. The second part I need is, I think, one of the Y-levers. It is 
> > the longest one. I hate to admit it but in my ham-fisted attempts to 
> > get the thing running I got the carriage off track and ended up with the 
> > couple of broken parts (that I know of). 
> > 
> > The set has been sitting unused for 35-40 years in a house which had 
> > been closed up but still had utilities connected and running. The man 
> > who sold it really thought it would still be in operating condition. 
> > The AC has been kept on in the house but this was in south Louisiana so 
> > the humidity level, even with AC, is much higher than anyplace else! 
> > The set has a Signal Corps RA-87 Rectifier. I had to replace the DC 
> > cord. The machine runs but is running open. The bars under the 
> > carriage just vibrate back and forth. (I'm new to teletype so I'm not 
> > familiar, yet, with a lot of the terms.) The tape punch works fine but 
> > the keys on the carriage do not operate whenever a key is pressed on the 
> > keyboard. 
> > 
> > One question I have is whether or not the 60ma loop is being supplied by 
> > the RA-87? Second question is, assuming the loop is supplied by the 
> > RA-87, what/where should I check to get the thing to run closed? 
> > 
> > One DC socket on the power supply has apparently gone dead. The other 
> > is still active but the plug doesn't fit well at all. I'm tracking down 
> > some schematics and may try to have the PS rebuilt. 
> > 
> 
> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston 
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store) 
> MVPA 9480 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Sat Aug 23 00:16:11 2008
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
Date: Sat Aug 23 00:23:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 parts and questions
In-Reply-To: <082320080046.22171.48AF5DDA00046C130000569B22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF
	069908CD0E99@att.net>
References: <082320080046.22171.48AF5DDA00046C130000569B22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
Message-ID: <5314.67.142.130.21.1219464971.squirrel@9-5usa.org>

Thanks to everyone who has replied.  This is definitely one of the (if not
"the") most helpful lists I have belonged to.

To respond to an earlier reply asking about any military designations on
this set, there really are none that I can see.  The reperforator cabinet
has TT-16/FG on it but that may not mean much.  My understanding from
talking to the Seller is that he pieced together this set over time.  The
case/cabinet of the printer itself has probably been re-painted (to a
lighter battleship grey) and the Teletype Corporation insignia removed. 
According to the Seller, this was a M.A.R.S. outfit that he acquired and
restored.

73
Kevin


> The rectifiers supplied with the Model 19 can be used for a "local loop".
> They also supply power to the keyboard punch and bias
> voltage current to the line relay. The line relay is wired to use the
> power
> supply to then key an internal loop for the printer.
> The actual signal "loop" is provided externally in a
> standard configuration. If the wiring is "stock" then there should
> be a connection at the polar relay's contacts that can be shorted, thus
> creating the "local loop". If the polar relay is removed, the socket
> contacts for the relay's common and MARK/SPACE contacts can be
> jumpered out. (This holds true for any "stock" TTY, by the way.)
> In fact, if a milliameter is placed in the correct contact positions, the
> machine
> should lock up and the loop current can be read.
> I would caution that the supply be tested for
> good DC since the rectifier and caps are pretty old. Ripple on the DC
> would definitely
> impact the performance of the mahcine if the supply is used to provide
> the loop voltage.
> Wiring diagrams for the Model 19 are in the "New RTTY Handbook" by
> Byron Kretzman and the TAB "RTTY Handbook" by Wayne Green.
>
> 73,
> Jack K0TTY
>
> NNNN
>
> -------------- Original message from WA5CAB@cs.com: --------------
>
>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> It's been far too many years since I last played with an M15 or M19 to
>> answer
>> most of your questions so you'll have to wait for someone with more
>> recent
>> experience to speak up. But I can answer your questions about the RA-87.
>> Yes,
>> it is the DC loop supply. And although odds are that you need to add at
>> least
>> one jumper to close the loop for the printer and probably some others to
>> put
>> the keyboard in series with the line printer (as the machine would
>> normally
>> have been connected into external circuits), odds are also that the
>> RA-87 isn't
>> working.
>>
>> First, it has filter capacitors that may need to be replaced (not really
>> a
>> big deal other than finding something that fits mechanically). Second,
>> it uses
>> a selenium rectifier and odds are almost 100% that it is bad. Selenium
>> rectifiers turned out to have a 30-50 year shelf and service life (fact
>> not
>> known
>> when they were new). So it needs to be replaced with a silicon
>> rectifier.
>> Until that is done, I would unplug the AC cord for the RA-87.
>>
>> Also, if the 19 set has a rectifier with an RA-87 or RA-87-A nameplate,
>> it's
>> may be a military set. Look around for a nameplate or nameplates for the
>> set
>> or the other components. Something beginning with TT, TG or AN/FGC for
>> example. If you can locate anything like that, it's possible one of us
>> may have
>> the
>> TM 11 on that particular set.
>>
>> In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:12:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
>> kh-phillips@9-5usa.org writes:
>> > First for the parts, I need the cord that pulls the carriage back on
>> the
>> > return. The second part I need is, I think, one of the Y-levers. It is
>> > the longest one. I hate to admit it but in my ham-fisted attempts to
>> > get the thing running I got the carriage off track and ended up with
>> the
>> > couple of broken parts (that I know of).
>> >
>> > The set has been sitting unused for 35-40 years in a house which had
>> > been closed up but still had utilities connected and running. The man
>> > who sold it really thought it would still be in operating condition.
>> > The AC has been kept on in the house but this was in south Louisiana
>> so
>> > the humidity level, even with AC, is much higher than anyplace else!
>> > The set has a Signal Corps RA-87 Rectifier. I had to replace the DC
>> > cord. The machine runs but is running open. The bars under the
>> > carriage just vibrate back and forth. (I'm new to teletype so I'm not
>> > familiar, yet, with a lot of the terms.) The tape punch works fine but
>> > the keys on the carriage do not operate whenever a key is pressed on
>> the
>> > keyboard.
>> >
>> > One question I have is whether or not the 60ma loop is being supplied
>> by
>> > the RA-87? Second question is, assuming the loop is supplied by the
>> > RA-87, what/where should I check to get the thing to run closed?
>> >
>> > One DC socket on the power supply has apparently gone dead. The other
>> > is still active but the plug doesn't fit well at all. I'm tracking
>> down
>> > some schematics and may try to have the PS rebuilt.
>> >
>>
>> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
>> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
>> MVPA 9480
>> _______________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Aug 23 16:10:51 2008
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128@aol.com)
Date: Sat Aug 23 16:18:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: For Sale -- Collectors Item!
Message-ID: <d2c.369f95ca.35e1c8cb@aol.com>

Hi all:
This is from the "RTTY" list:
Thought I would pass it on.
This person lives in MI.
Looks like a  good deal for some one who lives "close by"..

73,
DE Tom  Tillson
All things  electromechanical.
ITTY
Greenkeys
HeavyMetal
LL  TTY
NNNN

--------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:57:20 EDT
From:  Gedking@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] For Sale -- Collectors Item!
To:  bgkurz@comcast.net, rtty@contesting.com
Message-ID:  <d1b.2b387065.35e0c880@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"

I'll do you one better I have an ASR28 with a 3 speed  transmission and  
about 
6-8 rolls of paper.
First one that shows up  can have I but they will have to bring two men  and 
a 
boy to bring it  down from upstairs and load it on their truck.
I'll throw in the ST6 for  $100

G Ed King K8OT
 



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From k9tty at dls.net  Sat Aug 23 18:30:27 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat Aug 23 18:38:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 7/8" paper tape
Message-ID: <56607.1219530627@dls.net>

I think I still have one or two rolls of this 7/8 tape.  I will look when I get back to my home. We are in Indiana at the moment.

If you get hard pressed for 7/8 inch tape you can build yourself a tape slicer out of an old 16mm movie film editor and slice off the edge of one 
inch paper tape.  The same can be done for tape printers that use the narrow 3/8 and 5/16 wide tape by modifying a movie film editor and using 
1 inch, 7/8 inch, 1/2 inch or 13/16 inch wide paper tape.

I know several people have been successful with this approach...  However a delicate touch and patience are required.

Don
K9TTY





From submarine_veteran at msn.com  Sun Aug 24 15:01:20 2008
From: submarine_veteran at msn.com (HENRY A LINES)
Date: Sun Aug 24 15:09:02 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AC power cable needed for UGC-129'S
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV235D688F715D83C1EA0259D640@phx.gbl>

I need a couple of ac power cables for ugc-129 teletypes, email me if you have spares to sale or other parts.

Henry K7GNR
From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 24 16:31:10 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun Aug 24 16:39:33 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AC power cable needed for UGC-129'S
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV235D688F715D83C1EA0259D640@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-DAV235D688F715D83C1EA0259D640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808241530520.3343@localhost.localdomain>

Or just the proper connectors.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, HENRY A LINES wrote:

> I need a couple of ac power cables for ugc-129 teletypes, email me if you have spares to sale or other parts.
>
> Henry K7GNR
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>
From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 17:05:14 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Sun Aug 24 17:12:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: is this close to you ?  Model 28's
Message-ID: <c35.400c5d8c.35e3270a@aol.com>

Rice sent me this info about some 28's in Albany, NY.  
 
 
_http://albany.craigslist.org/clt/809271116.html_ 
(http://albany.craigslist.org/clt/809271116.html) 
 
Wayne



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From Teletypeparts at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 17:07:47 2008
From: Teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts@aol.com)
Date: Sun Aug 24 17:15:32 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28's in Albany, NY
Message-ID: <bef.2ff1451a.35e327a3@aol.com>

More info; I forgot to mention I wasnt interested in them, just passing along 
some info for anyone who might be.  

Wayne



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug 24 20:50:35 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sun Aug 24 20:58:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: is this close to you ?  Model 28's
In-Reply-To: <c35.400c5d8c.35e3270a@aol.com>
References: <c35.400c5d8c.35e3270a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48B201DB.6020007@bellsouth.net>

Teletypeparts@aol.com wrote:
> Rice sent me this info about some 28's in Albany, NY.  

No, that would be a 2500 mile round trip from here.

I am still looking for a 28 cabinet - would prefer a desk cabinet -- but 
I'll settle for a standard 28 KSR cabinet. I'll be going from Branson, 
MO  to Meridian, MS on Oct. 12th - any available in the "neighborhood"?

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Aug 25 19:35:31 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Aug 25 19:43:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M19 ASR available near Detroit...
Message-ID: <83B8513F-119F-4FC8-981D-00CA19A054A5@dls.net>

> I rescued a model 19 (complete). I removed it  from service
> in 1965 from Mich Bell Twx service. The owner died, and his son
> contacted me to see if I could find a good home for it.

> The set still had my  removal tag on it from when I sent it back to  
> Western Electric
> ,Plymouth  Mich for distribution to the RTTY Society for ham usage.

> This is a "come get  only". I live in suburban Detroit. The table is
> in my basement, and will  require two strong ment to bring back up.
> It was kept in a clean storage  environment all the time, no rust,
> corossion, etc... I also have a spare printer  I'll throw in with it.

> I just haven't the room here for it as I have downsized  (qth) after
> retirement. Probably have some nice manuals to go with it.

> Rick K8PJQ 586-716-5272. rdavis7@comcast.net
From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Aug 25 19:55:02 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Aug 25 20:02:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129
In-Reply-To: <20080825080117.43A94859CBB@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20080825080117.43A94859CBB@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <35DDA87B-31D0-44FF-84B4-C285F7422A56@dls.net>

*************************
The cables are difficult to impossible to come by.  The connectors are  
also rare but William Perry might have one or more.

Jack Hart has a diagram of how to wire the machines up with a couple  
of paper clips and some ingenuity.

I wrote down the numbers for the connectors from the manual, however I  
have misplaced them.

Too soon old and too late smart...

Don
K9TTY
From n9vmo at comcast.net  Mon Aug 25 21:08:37 2008
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Mon Aug 25 21:16:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129
In-Reply-To: <35DDA87B-31D0-44FF-84B4-C285F7422A56@dls.net>
References: <20080825080117.43A94859CBB@mailman.qth.net>
	<35DDA87B-31D0-44FF-84B4-C285F7422A56@dls.net>
Message-ID: <071201c90718$457e3b80$d07ab280$@net>

I just replaced the power connector on the back of the unit with a
power outlet from an old PC power supply.  Now all I need for my -129
is a power cord for a computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert
House
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 19:55
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129

*************************
The cables are difficult to impossible to come by.  The connectors are

also rare but William Perry might have one or more.

Jack Hart has a diagram of how to wire the machines up with a couple  
of paper clips and some ingenuity.

I wrote down the numbers for the connectors from the manual, however I

have misplaced them.

Too soon old and too late smart...

Don
K9TTY
_______________________________________________
GreenKeys mailing list
GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Aug 25 21:27:05 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Aug 25 21:34:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129
In-Reply-To: <071201c90718$457e3b80$d07ab280$@net>
References: <20080825080117.43A94859CBB@mailman.qth.net>
	<35DDA87B-31D0-44FF-84B4-C285F7422A56@dls.net>
	<071201c90718$457e3b80$d07ab280$@net>
Message-ID: <B63966FA-C024-4D5C-9043-222D767B6BE8@dls.net>

I guess I will have to get the connectors and wire them up and make a  
diagram similar to Jack's

Thanks,
Don


On 25 Aug 2008, at 8:08 PM, Joe Montano wrote:

I just replaced the power connector on the back of the unit with a
power outlet from an old PC power supply.  Now all I need for my -129
is a power cord for a computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert
House
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 19:55
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129

*************************
The cables are difficult to impossible to come by.  The connectors are

also rare but William Perry might have one or more.

Jack Hart has a diagram of how to wire the machines up with a couple
of paper clips and some ingenuity.

I wrote down the numbers for the connectors from the manual, however I

have misplaced them.

Too soon old and too late smart...

Don
K9TTY
_______________________________________________
GreenKeys mailing list
GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Aug 25 21:49:38 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Mon Aug 25 21:57:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129
In-Reply-To: <B63966FA-C024-4D5C-9043-222D767B6BE8@dls.net>
References: <20080825080117.43A94859CBB@mailman.qth.net><35DDA87B-31D0-44FF-84B4-C285F7422A56@dls.net><071201c90718$457e3b80$d07ab280$@net>
	<B63966FA-C024-4D5C-9043-222D767B6BE8@dls.net>
Message-ID: <082620080149.28726.48B36132000A4AF30000703622218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

I always hard-wired to AC on the UGC129's...the paper-clip "mod"
is for the look/signal lines. Joe's method is even better...

73,
Jack K0TTY

NNNN

-------------- Original message from Don Robert House <k9tty@dls.net>: -------------- 


> I guess I will have to get the connectors and wire them up and make a 
> diagram similar to Jack's 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Don 
> 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2008, at 8:08 PM, Joe Montano wrote: 
> 
> I just replaced the power connector on the back of the unit with a 
> power outlet from an old PC power supply. Now all I need for my -129 
> is a power cord for a computer. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert 
> House 
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 19:55 
> To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129 
> 
> ************************* 
> The cables are difficult to impossible to come by. The connectors are 
> 
> also rare but William Perry might have one or more. 
> 
> Jack Hart has a diagram of how to wire the machines up with a couple 
> of paper clips and some ingenuity. 
> 
> I wrote down the numbers for the connectors from the manual, however I 
> 
> have misplaced them. 
> 
> Too soon old and too late smart... 
> 
> Don 
> K9TTY 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
From n9vmo at comcast.net  Mon Aug 25 22:12:51 2008
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Mon Aug 25 22:20:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129
In-Reply-To: <082620080149.28726.48B36132000A4AF30000703622218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
References: <20080825080117.43A94859CBB@mailman.qth.net><35DDA87B-31D0-44FF-84B4-C285F7422A56@dls.net><071201c90718$457e3b80$d07ab280$@net>
	<B63966FA-C024-4D5C-9043-222D767B6BE8@dls.net>
	<082620080149.28726.48B36132000A4AF30000703622218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>
Message-ID: <074301c90721$3e868bd0$bb93a370$@net>

Yes, it does take a bit of sheet metal work, but all in all it was cheap, easy and only took a couple of hours work.

 

When I get a chance, I will take a picture of it if anyone wants it.

 

Joe

 

From: wa2hwj@att.net [mailto:wa2hwj@att.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 21:50
To: Don Robert House; Joe Montano; Scott Johnson
Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129

 

I always hard-wired to AC on the UGC129's...the paper-clip "mod"

is for the look/signal lines. Joe's method is even better...

 

73,

Jack K0TTY

 

NNNN

 

-------------- Original message from Don Robert House <k9tty@dls.net>: -------------- 


> I guess I will have to get the connectors and wire them up and make a 
> diagram similar to Jack's 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Don 
> 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2008, at 8:08 PM, Joe Montano wrote: 
> 
> I just replaced the power connector on the back of the unit with a 
> power outlet from an old PC power supply. Now all I need for my -129 
> is a power cord for a computer. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert 
> House 
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 19:55 
> To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Connectors and cables for the UGC-129 
> 
> ************************* 
> The cables are difficult to impossible to come by. The connectors are 
> 
> also rare but William Perry might have one or more. 
> 
> Jack Hart has a diagram of how to wire the machines up with a couple 
> of paper clips and some ingenuity. 
> 
> I wrote down the numbers for the connectors from the manual, however I 
> 
> have misplaced them. 
> 
> Too soon old and too late smart... 
> 
> Don 
> K9TTY 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> GreenKeys mailing list 
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug 26 13:00:12 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Aug 26 13:08:08 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 motor 
Message-ID: <001201c9079d$390700f0$0200a8c0@LARRYTIGHE>

Howdy Folks,

Need some advice....my Model 15 (RCA Telex machine) motor gear is not 
meshing enuf with the driven gear.  There is a screw adjustment on the 
motor's platform that allows the back of the motor to be raised up or 
down....thus raising the front of the motor (gear end) if the back goes 
down.

Is lowering the back of the motor the way to get more meshing of the gears 
or, are there supposed to be shims under the front of the motor mount plate 
to raise the motor up for more complete meshing?

Any and all advice is appreciated.

lar
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From mbdittmar at comcast.net  Tue Aug 26 13:12:57 2008
From: mbdittmar at comcast.net (mbdittmar@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Aug 26 13:20:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 free 
Message-ID: <082620081712.19356.48B43999000C363E00004B9C22092246279D0E039B9B070B0D03@comcast.net>

Hi-

I have a model 14 teleprinter,  this is the one that prints the characters out on a thin ribbon instead of the paper.  Anybody want it ?  It is free if you can pickup near Denver, Co.

Mark AB0CW
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug 26 14:20:27 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Aug 26 14:28:14 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's
Message-ID: <087701c907a8$6ad0aa90$2000a8c0@ljt>

The Associated Press man was here at the radio station the other day to 
re-align the satellite dish.

He said they have a 15 just sitting in the office....office is closing and 
they're junking the machine.  No they're not!  I talked him into bring it 
here....he's one of the last TTY maintenance guys still left.  He said 
there's lots of spare parts laying around.  Hopefully there'll be felts in 
that stash.

AP apparently ran out of spare parts and had them re-manufactured...but not 
all parts worked.  So, I'm not sure how spare the spares will be :>)....then 
again, we don't run our machines 24/7 as they did.

lar
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 26 14:35:27 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug 26 14:43:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's
In-Reply-To: <087701c907a8$6ad0aa90$2000a8c0@ljt>
References: <087701c907a8$6ad0aa90$2000a8c0@ljt>
Message-ID: <48B44CEF.4010602@bellsouth.net>

Larry Tighe wrote:

> He said they have a 15 just sitting in the office....office is closing 
> and they're junking the machine.  No they're not!  I talked him into 
> bring it here....

Good save!!!! wonder how many others are about to get dumped?....,<sigh>
best!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From jangus at socal.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 14:49:00 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Tue Aug 26 14:56:35 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's
In-Reply-To: <48B44CEF.4010602@bellsouth.net>
References: <087701c907a8$6ad0aa90$2000a8c0@ljt>
	<48B44CEF.4010602@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <48B4501C.4020108@socal.rr.com>

Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
> Good save!!!! wonder how many others are about to get dumped?....,<sigh> 

Well, if there's one in the Los Angeles area about to be "made to go 
away" I'm
up for a bit of vintage iron rescue. Personally, I think it'd be an 
absolute hoot
to use one to print up customer receipts on. "Here let me dump it to the
printer..."

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

From KC0NNC at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 14:57:11 2008
From: KC0NNC at aol.com (KC0NNC@aol.com)
Date: Tue Aug 26 15:05:04 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's  TTY repair guy...
Message-ID: <c55.33fef158.35e5ac07@aol.com>

Larry:
 
ask this guy if he would share his residence phone number and cell number ... 
sounds like he would be a good contact point for us hams, (perhaps he is a 
ham) and mention to him the fact that there are those of us who used to work in 
broadcasting, and failed to ask for the names and phone numbers of the retired 
military TTY mechanics, who then made spare income as AP or UPI TTY mechanics.
 
sure wish I had asked and kept contact info for the 8 or 10 guys I met during 
my years in broadcasting...  I would now have access to a list of retired TTY 
mechanics who might be available to still make a QTH service call to replace 
main shaft felts etc.

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

KC0NNC@aol.com


73's



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug 26 15:05:44 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Aug 26 15:13:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's  TTY repair guy...
References: <c55.33fef158.35e5ac07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <092d01c907ae$c2b02f00$2000a8c0@ljt>

That's a great suggestion.  I will do as you say.

lar

Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's TTY repair guy...


> Larry:
>
> ask this guy if he would share his residence phone number and cell number 
> ...
> sounds like he would be a good contact point for us hams, (perhaps he is a
> ham) and mention to him the fact that there are those of us who used to 
> work in
> broadcasting, and failed to ask for the names and phone numbers of the 
> retired
> military TTY mechanics, who then made spare income as AP or UPI TTY 
> mechanics.
>
> sure wish I had asked and kept contact info for the 8 or 10 guys I met 
> during
> my years in broadcasting...  I would now have access to a list of retired 
> TTY
> mechanics who might be available to still make a QTH service call to 
> replace
> main shaft felts etc.
>
> Harvey E. Smith
> > 719 406 9735
>
> fka WA0BBG
> nka KC0NNC

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 26 17:12:41 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Aug 26 17:20:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's
In-Reply-To: <48B4501C.4020108@socal.rr.com>
References: <087701c907a8$6ad0aa90$2000a8c0@ljt>	<48B44CEF.4010602@bellsouth.net>
	<48B4501C.4020108@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48B471C9.4050505@bellsouth.net>

Jeffrey D Angus wrote:

> Well, if there's one in the Los Angeles area about to be "made to go 
> away" I'm
> up for a bit of vintage iron rescue. Personally, I think it'd be an 
> absolute hoot
> to use one to print up customer receipts on. "Here let me dump it to the
> printer..."

Yeah, that's about your speed!!! I can just see the expression on their 
face when the beast comes to life!...  ain't no wimpy 'zzzzt zzzzzt zzzzt'!

For those of you who don't know Jeff - he's a long time friend who lives 
in the L.A. area who does vintage and antique radio restorations for a 
living (well OK - some of his "other" efforts may actually pay the bills 
- like prototyping packaging; fixing business radios; and an occasional 
appearance in the L.A. Times and on local radio).

I've been trying to get him on board Greenkeys for a while - he's 
finally succumbed - now we just need to bury him with some equipment.

anyway - Welcome aboard Jeff!

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From K9TTY at dls.net  Tue Aug 26 18:59:10 2008
From: K9TTY at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Aug 26 19:07:02 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] On-Line Copy of Your Ham License
References: <E1KY7SH-0006sp-PP@mx02.dls.net>
Message-ID: <82714F2A-6837-4BB1-B557-D6BF482B14D2@dls.net>

Go here and get a real neat copy of your
Ham License in color suitable for framing:

http://www.ae7q.net/Generate.php
From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 26 20:32:54 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue Aug 26 20:40:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 free 
Message-ID: <380-22008832703254960@earthlink.net>


"prints the characters out on a thin ribbon"  

thin ribbon of what??

I assume it just prints and does not perforate?


Do you have a picture??

Thanks,
Duncan Brown, K2OEQ

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/

> [Original Message]
> From: <mbdittmar@comcast.net>
> To: <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 26-Aug-08 13:12:59
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 free 
>
> Hi-
>
> I have a model 14 teleprinter,  this is the one that prints the
characters out on a thin ribbon instead of the paper.  Anybody want it ? 
It is free if you can pickup near Denver, Co.
>
> Mark AB0CW
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From claude at pc0312a.rz.unibw-muenchen.de  Wed Aug 27 07:25:48 2008
From: claude at pc0312a.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Claude Frantz)
Date: Wed Aug 27 07:36:13 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] LORENZ Lo-15 for free in Munich
Message-ID: <48B539BC.7000604@pc0312a.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>

Working LORENZ Lo-15 (without cabinet) for free. Please pick up in 
Munich (Germany).

Please contact me via E-Mail.

Claude
From KC0NNC at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 15:14:17 2008
From: KC0NNC at aol.com (KC0NNC@aol.com)
Date: Wed Aug 27 15:21:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 free 
Message-ID: <d24.3097f187.35e70189@aol.com>

Probably paper ticker tape, or paper western union telegram print em and 
stick em with white glue tape.

Like in the 30's al capone and Elliot ness movies....

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

KC0NNC@aol.com


73's



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 27 15:36:15 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Wed Aug 27 15:44:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 free 
Message-ID: <380-220088327193615227@earthlink.net>

 I originally thought it might be just a strip printer, but I misread his
original post.  Mark was just saying it was a tape printer as opposed to a
page printer.

He sent me some pictures; it is a TT-56/MGC, the M14 printing reperf that
was used in the AN/GRC-26.

  --Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: <KC0NNC@aol.com>
> To: <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 27-Aug-08 15:13:11
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 14 free 
>
> Probably paper ticker tape, or paper western union telegram print em and 
> stick em with white glue tape.
>
> Like in the 30's al capone and Elliot ness movies....
>
> Harvey E. Smith
> 2020 Baculite Mesa Road
> Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
> 719 406 9735
>
> fka WA0BBG
> nka KC0NNC
>
> HarveyEsmith@aol.com
>
> KC0NNC@aol.com
>
>
> 73's
>
>
>
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
travel 
> deal here.      
> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)


From gbuckbee at frontiernet.net  Thu Aug 28 00:33:19 2008
From: gbuckbee at frontiernet.net (Gib Buckbee)
Date: Thu Aug 28 00:41:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's - I'm Looking for two
References: <087701c907a8$6ad0aa90$2000a8c0@ljt><48B44CEF.4010602@bellsouth.net>
	<48B4501C.4020108@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <004601c908c7$3338e2d0$a2858542@gbdesktop>

By the way, I'm looking for a couple of 15's for a WW2 living History 
display.

I'm located near Rochester New York

Thanks

Gib Buckbee
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AP's Model 15's


> Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
>> Good save!!!! wonder how many others are about to get dumped?....,<sigh>
>
> Well, if there's one in the Los Angeles area about to be "made to go away" 
> I'm
> up for a bit of vintage iron rescue. Personally, I think it'd be an 
> absolute hoot
> to use one to print up customer receipts on. "Here let me dump it to the
> printer..."
>
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
>
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From Crabtreejr at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 14:30:58 2008
From: Crabtreejr at aol.com (Crabtreejr@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 28 14:39:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] For sale: RTTY journal
Message-ID: <cf6.3c79c890.35e848e2@aol.com>

Hello

Please see the list below of issues of RTTY Journal for sale.

The conditon of the magazines is good, except as noted.

Complete, or almost complete years will be sold as such, at the prices shown  
 Single issues are $0.60 each for 1958-59, and $0.50 otherwise.  Prices do 
not include shipping.

Please note that, in the list, the number of the issue refers to the monthand 
 not the issue number in the volume.  

1958  Vol  6  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 
1959  Vol  7  1(red line on back cover) , 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 

1960  Vol  8  all twelve issues  (Jan has red line across the back cover)  $7
1961  Vol  9  all twelve issues  $7
1962  Vol 10  all twelve issues  $7
1963  Vol 11  eleven issues, missing January  $6
1964  Vol 12  all twelve issues   $7
1965  Vol 13  eleven issues, missing May   $6

1966  Vol 14  3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11
1967  Vol 15  1, 4
1968  Vol 16  1, 3, 5
1969  Vol 17  4, 5, 7/8, 9, 10, 11, 12
1970  Vol 18  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7/8, 11
1971  Vol 19  3 (grubby) 5, 6, 7/8, 9, 10, 11, 12


Now down to ten issues per year

1972  Vol 20  3, 4, 5/6, 7/8, 9, 10, 12
1973  Vol 21  1, 4, 7/8, 9
1974  Vol 22  3, 5, 7/8, 9, 10, 11, 12
1975  Vol 23  all ten issues  $6 
                     + 1, 2, 4, 5/6, 7/8, 9, 10, 11, 12
1976  Vol 24  all ten issues   $6
                    + 1, 3, 4, 5/6, 7/8, 11, 12
1977  Vol 25  all ten issues   $6 
                    + 2, 3, 5/6, 7/8, 9, 10, 11, 12
1978   Vol 26  nine issues, missing 12   $5

1985   Vol 33  all ten issues    $6
1986   Vol 34  3, 4, 5/6, 7/8, 9, 10, 11, 12

Payment can be via Paypal, check, or money order, but must be recieved within 
7 days.  My address is as per QRZ.com

If you have any questions, please ask.

Thanks and 73

John  KC0G   


**************
It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 
Find your travel deal here.
      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From Crabtreejr at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 14:32:26 2008
From: Crabtreejr at aol.com (Crabtreejr@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 28 14:40:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] For sale: RTTY Manuals
Message-ID: <bff.44c3a098.35e8493a@aol.com>

Hello

I have the following RTTY manuals for sale:

1.  Instruction manual for Teletype Model 19 set

Instruction manual #No. 26, Issue 3, November 1944

The list of contents runs to two pages and includes:
   Model 15 Page Printer and Perforator Transmitter
   Line Relay
   Model 14 Transmitter Distributor
   Lubrication
   Model 14 Reperforator
   Metal Table
   Information on earlier types

The original Teletype binder is ca. 1.5" thick, and is in good condition, 
except that upper of the two rods holding the pages has disconnected from the 
front of the binder.  There is some yellowing of the pages, but no obvious 
markings.  

$15 + shipping


2.  Instruction Book - Teletypewriter stations for Navy - AN/FGC-1A Radio 
Equipment   .
The manual comprises 4 main sections:
i)   Instruction Book - Teletypewriter stations for Navy - AN/FGC-1A Radio 
Equipment
X-66137, issue 3, Navy Contract No. NXsr 59052, and N5sr 7239
ii)  Adjustments Typing Reperforator (Model 14)
iii)  Description Typing Reperforator (Model 14)
iv)  Parts Typing Reperforator (Model 14)

They are in the orignal heavy card binder, 1" thick, which shows signs of 
wear, folding over, and small tears to the outer edges.

$10 plus shipping

3.  Navships 93008, Technical Manual - Teletypewriter Test Set TS-917/GG

The manual covers the Stelma Inc. Telegraph Distortion Analyzer, Model TDA-2

In original Stelma Inc. binder which shows ear to the top edge, and tape on 
front cover.  There is damage to the first two pages (does not affect 
readability).  Otherwise the contents are clean.

$4 plus shipping.

4.  Teletype Corp. "Parts - Tape Reader" manual, Bulletin 1163B dated Feb 
1957.

In Teletype binder, with some wear to outer edges.  Contents are very clean.

$3 plus shipping.

5.  Begiiners RTTY handbook, Jan 1982, published by RTTY Journal.

Carboard covers slightly dirty, and show signs of wear.  Contents clean.

$ 3 plus shipping 

Payment can be via Paypal, check, or money order, but must be recieved within 
7 days.  My address is as per QRZ.com

If you have questions, please ask.

Thanks and 73

John  KC0G   


**************
It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 
Find your travel deal here.
      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
From telegrapher at att.net  Thu Aug 28 22:21:35 2008
From: telegrapher at att.net (telegrapher@att.net)
Date: Thu Aug 28 22:29:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY manuals
Message-ID: <082920080221.1051.48B75D2F000151010000041B22230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040A9B@att.net>

i have the following items FS.

TM11=5815-200-35/TO31W-2FGC20-4 Field and Depot Maintenance Teletypewriter sets AN/FG@-20, -20X, AN/FGC-21 and AN/UGC-4.  June 1959.  Great shape and complete.  Looks like it's for the 15.  $15

TM 11-2222/T.O. 16-35 TT 1-6, receiving Transmitter Distributors TT-12/FGQ-1, TT-13/FGC-1 and Transmitter Distributors TT-21/FG, TT-25/FG, TT-26/FG and TT-52/FG.   May 1951.  Good shape and complete, Model 14 types.   $12

TM 11-2210/T.O. 16-35TT10-5.  Teletypewriter TT-10/FG, November 1951.  "TTY TT-10/FG is used to receive, record and retransmit Teletypewriter messages primarily in conjunction with wire or Radio carrier equipment".   $10

TM 11-2216/T.O. 16-35TT7-6 October 1051.  Teletypewriters TT-7/FG and TT-8/FG.  This is centered around the model 19.  252 pages but i don't know if it is complete or not as the front and back covers are missing.  $10

Someone was asking me if i still had a TTY manual but i don't remember who it was or which manual it was so here is what i have.  Nothing left except 28 type stuff AFIK.

Postage is extra

Larry
W0OGH

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 29 19:40:16 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri Aug 29 19:49:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] W.U. transmission question
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808291833490.4766@localhost.localdomain>

Wonder if there is an old W.U. hand around who knows about this.  I'm
looking at a schematic for an operating table which says it is Class C
operation, and also something about Class CT for operation over telephone
company circuits.  So I assume Class C means a certain kind of
transmission.  It's clear that it sends positive on mark and negative
on space, if the relays are labelled the way I think they are.  I'm
not clear on what happens at the other end of the wire to receive
this, or what the other end sends to affect this end.  The receive
polar relay has a bias current , but I'm not clear if that biases toward
mark or space.  Guess I need to do some experimenting to show the
meaning of the markings A, A', O, O', D, U, D-in-a-circle, and O-in-a
circle.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 29 22:55:06 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri Aug 29 23:03:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT MCCAIN'S PICK STOP (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808292154450.5362@localhost.localdomain>




jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:46:35 -0500
From: Peter Laws <plaws@plaws.net>
To: Peter Laws <plaws@plaws.net>
Subject: HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT MCCAIN'S PICK STOP

http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2008/08/how-i-found-out.html

-- 
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!

The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons
or things to be seized.
From jangus at socal.rr.com  Sat Aug 30 00:24:35 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sat Aug 30 00:32:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT MCCAIN'S PICK STOP (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808292154450.5362@localhost.localdomain>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808292154450.5362@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <48B8CB83.8050805@socal.rr.com>

Jim Haynes wrote:
> Subject: HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT MCCAIN'S PICK STOP
>
> http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2008/08/how-i-found-out.html 

Speaking of which... http://the-whiteboard.com/autowb923.html

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

From telegrapher at att.net  Sat Aug 30 16:41:26 2008
From: telegrapher at att.net (telegrapher@att.net)
Date: Sat Aug 30 16:49:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY print today
Message-ID: <083020082041.26433.48B9B0760009512A0000674122230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040A9B@att.net>

Don't forgt the KSM broadcast on 12631 and 8433 presently running at 60 WPM.  Great signals.

Larry
W0OGH  Whose 28 KSR is running so smoooth and sounds el slicko!
From wb6blv at inreach.com  Sun Aug 31 13:20:47 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Sun Aug 31 13:29:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN:  LeAnn
Message-ID: <019b01c90b8d$e8fa93c0$5888fea9@dwilegal>

LeAnn,

Been trying to reach you direct with no answers.  Please reply to off-list
address below.

Tnx et 73

John
WB6BLV@inreach.com

From w7ksg at juno.com  Sun Aug 31 18:24:50 2008
From: w7ksg at juno.com (J. Allen Call)
Date: Sun Aug 31 18:34:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Polar relay
Message-ID: <20080831.162450.916.2.w7ksg@juno.com>

Hello:  Anyone need a polar relay for a TTY machine?  I have one.  It is
manufactured by Automatic Electric. Pictures available on request. 
Contact me off net.  Thanks

J
W7KSG
From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Sun Aug 31 18:49:47 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Sun Aug 31 18:48:49 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Polar relay
References: <20080831.162450.916.2.w7ksg@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006801c90bbb$e0239cf0$0201a8c0@system1>

J. Allen,

I don't think you want to get rid of the polar relay.   Well, just the relay
itself.   But if you haven't already done so, build a terminal unit that
fits inside that case!   I will warn you that St. Peter will ask if you've
done so before he will let you into heaven!  You only have to do it once in
a lifetime!

73

Lee  K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J. Allen Call" <w7ksg@juno.com>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Polar relay


> Hello:  Anyone need a polar relay for a TTY machine?  I have one.  It is
> manufactured by Automatic Electric. Pictures available on request.
> Contact me off net.  Thanks
>
> J
> W7KSG
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