From jrbarnish at DRPA.ORG  Mon Dec  1 08:01:14 2008
From: jrbarnish at DRPA.ORG (Jerry Barnish)
Date: Mon Dec  1 08:06:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Restoration of T/D
Message-ID: <63DE25300DE2E94A858523D5163D670119F80B@sopexchbe01.WKTRM.LOC>

Gentleman and all hobbyists:
 
I am currently making a good T/D from many parts for the Battleship New
Jersey.
This is my first major tty job. Thought I would learn on this unit
first.
 
Question and advice needed:
 
1- for museum quality would you strip the old paint and repaint or keep
it original?
 
2- as far as torque values , having not looked in the manuals yet, are
the values published?
 
 
We have a few pieces that need attention and I have three weeks of
vacation during the 
holidays and need to spend a few days for hobbies.
 
All suggestions and advice are appreciated.
 
 
Jerry WB2CAK
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From k1lky at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  1 11:01:31 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Mon Dec  1 11:06:56 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Restoration of T/D
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On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Jerry Barnish wrote:


>  ...making a good T/D from many parts ...
> 1- for museum quality would you strip the old paint and repaint or  
> keep it original?

I presume this is a model 14 T/D with black wrinkle finish.

You will likely never get as good a paint job as is on there. Unless  
the cover/base is seriously dampness damaged or scraped up, I suggest  
you clean the paint you have as follows:

- get some Lemon Go-Jo, NON abrasive and a stiff scrub brush (the  
"hospital brush" meant for scrubbing before surgery is good,  but  
somewhat small.  The old style with wood base and actual natural  
bristles is still available in some places.)    Repeat, NON abrasive.   
Most any mechanics hand cleaner would likely do.

- Scrub the stuff into the paint with circular motions, let sit for a  
while, then remove with paper towels.  Be prepared to be amazed at how  
black the paper towels will be at first.

- Repeat as needed to get all the gunk out of the wrinkles.

- Follow up with Windex and paper towels till all is clean and shiny.

- Apply a good car wax, butchers, or bowling alley wax to the thing  
sparingly, using another of the brushes. wipe clean with soft rag.

- Admire a like-new appearance.

Now, there has been published a method to repair chips and scrapes in  
old time wrinkle paint. It involves making a mold from a good section  
of the piece using rubber mold material, then applying paint of the  
right color to the chipped spot (after scrupulous cleaning) and  
applying the mold to re-create the wrinkles.  The result was described  
as being undetectable from the original finish.

> 2- as far as torque values , having not looked in the manuals yet,  
> are the values published?

I seem to  vaguely remember a torque value in the manual for the main  
shaft top nut.  But I would not worry about that unless you have handy  
a torque wrench, and the correct socket or whatever to apply to the  
nut.  (I'm working from old memory, so don't have the assembly and  
parts clearly in mind.)

A very useful item in DIS-assemblling the main (vertical) shaft is a  
strap wrench or two.  That lets you get ahold of the shaft and nut or  
top flange with no danger of damage.  Harbor Freight sells a two- 
wrench pair of strap wrenches that works ok.

> We have a few pieces that need attention and I have three weeks of  
> vacation during the
> holidays and need to spend a few days for hobbies.

Yes.  Do not deny yourself some puttering time.

BTW, I looked for pictures of the New Jersey radio room and could not  
find any.

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From w5jv at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  1 16:34:38 2008
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (John Hensley)
Date: Mon Dec  1 16:39:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or destroyed
	...
In-Reply-To: <20081201090122.BE7A6859DAD@mailman.qth.net>
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... how many machines can you run on a loop and still maintaina good voltage (120V DC) and recommended current (30ma - 60ma) ??... and does each machine need a separate loop control?
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From k1lky at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  1 21:10:15 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Mon Dec  1 21:15:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or destroyed
	...
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On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:34 PM, John Hensley wrote:

> ... how many machines can you run on a loop and still maintain
> a good voltage (120V DC) and recommended current (30ma - 60ma) ??

I can't say.. others no doubt will.,

> .. and does each machine need a separate loop control?

No.. if there is one loop current control, it is enough.  Adding more  
would only reduce the loop current and make need to readjust back to  
the right current value.

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Mon Dec  1 21:53:16 2008
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Mon Dec  1 21:58:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or destroyed
	...
In-Reply-To: <DED88154-7F96-44B2-8904-5F7B40DA5662@earthlink.net>
References: <20081201090122.BE7A6859DAD@mailman.qth.net>	<BAY109-W485DFC880F81600DFD00AC91010@phx.gbl>
	<DED88154-7F96-44B2-8904-5F7B40DA5662@earthlink.net>
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Roy Morgan wrote:
> 
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:34 PM, John Hensley wrote:
> 
>> ... how many machines can you run on a loop and still maintain
>> a good voltage (120V DC) and recommended current (30ma - 60ma) ??
> 
> I can't say.. others no doubt will.,
> 
>> .. and does each machine need a separate loop control?
> 
> No.. if there is one loop current control, it is enough.  Adding more 
> would only reduce the loop current and make need to readjust back to the 
> right current value.
> 
> Roy

I think the only sure way to find out is to try it. The machines need to 
be in series with a single loop control, so it is the total reactance of 
the coils that limits the number. Most early loop supplies were around 
135V, with very low impedance, so there was enough power for several 
devices in a loop. Still, since there is significant inductance 
involved, nearly half a henry per selector IIRC, the signal distortion 
increases much faster than the resistance alone would suggest. The only 
pure resistance is in the rheostat and the wire. But the selector 
magnets and power supply characteristics vary enough that it is 
difficult to predict how they will work under extreme load. You may need 
to adjust the selectors a bit when you get more than a couple connected. 
With a solid state supply, the back voltage from too many selectors 
after the contact opens may fry the output circuit. Make sure it has 
enough snubber diodes to protect it.

I believe some installations had repeater/regenerators available when 
they needed to string multiple devices together from a single source.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From paulpenn at knology.net  Mon Dec  1 21:53:51 2008
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Mon Dec  1 21:59:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or
	destroyed...
References: <20081201090122.BE7A6859DAD@mailman.qth.net><BAY109-W485DFC880F81600DFD00AC91010@phx.gbl>
	<DED88154-7F96-44B2-8904-5F7B40DA5662@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <82E46762E1EB4DFBB91C795506F6A77D@A31PAUL>

> ...how many machines can you run on a loop and still maintain
> a good voltage (120V DC) and recommended current (30ma - 60ma)?

    It depends on the loop :-)  Taking 60 mA for example and solving Ohm's 
Law for resistance gives:

    R = E/I = 120 Volts/.06 Amps = 2000 Ohms

    The loop must be less than 2000 Ohms or you will not be able to reach 60 
mA of current.

    Someone else will have to give a typical value for the resistance of a 
teletype.

    Paul Pennington
    Augusta, Georgia

From jangus at socal.rr.com  Mon Dec  1 22:32:04 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon Dec  1 22:36:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or
	destroyed	...
Message-ID: <20081202.033204.515.1@STAY-85A77948LX>

> I think the only sure way to find out is to try it. The machines need to 
> be in series with a single loop control, so it is the total reactance of 
> the coils that limits the number. Most early loop supplies were around 
> 135V, with very low impedance, so there was enough power for several 
> devices in a loop. Still, since there is significant inductance 
> involved, nearly half a henry per selector IIRC, the signal distortion 
> increases much faster than the resistance alone would suggest.

The short answer to the loop supply is that you are trying to push a square
wave through a large inductance, and to do that properly, you need a 
current source rather than a voltage source to accomplish that.

The 120-135 VDC with a series resistance to limit the current is a sort of
poor man's current source with a "hig compliance" (meaning it can go to
120-135 VDC in an effort to keep the current up as it switches from off to
on.)

By the way, this is why they used polar relays on longer loops, was to have
a current source to force the off condition as well as the on condition and
keep the signal as close to a square wave as possible. This gave the TTY
machine the widest range to deal with signal distortion.

Local loops can be "neutral" (i.e.on off keying) because they typically
only had a selector magnet to deal with rather than several miles of twisted
pair. 

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi



From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  1 23:28:39 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (jhhaynes@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon Dec  1 23:34:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or destroyed
	...
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W485DFC880F81600DFD00AC91010@phx.gbl>
References: <20081201090122.BE7A6859DAD@mailman.qth.net>
	<BAY109-W485DFC880F81600DFD00AC91010@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0812012221190.13757@Jimmy>

I'll agree with the others that the distortion caused by inductance is
likely to be the limiting factor rather than the voltage and current
and resistance.  And how much it matters depends on how good the signal
is to begin with.  And what speed you are running.  And I don't know any
concrete numbers; you'll just have to try it.  Ordinarily around the
home you are likely to have only a couple of printers in line, and maybe
a typing reperforator for each, for a total of four magnets.

In the test area at Teletype Corp. they once had a bunch of vacuum tube
keyers for testing a lot of machines at once.  That is, you key each TTY
loop with a tube like a 6Y6, and then you can feed the grids from the
signal source and you can have as many as you want.

I designed some stuff in the early 1960s along the same lines, using a
tube for each machine.  Later translated the design to solid state.
You can use sort of a modified RS-232 scheme in which one signal source
can drive a whole lot of receivers.


From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 01:30:06 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec  2 01:35:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or destroyed
	...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0812012221190.13757@Jimmy>
References: <20081201090122.BE7A6859DAD@mailman.qth.net>
	<BAY109-W485DFC880F81600DFD00AC91010@phx.gbl>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0812012221190.13757@Jimmy>
Message-ID: <771153D9-935B-483F-BD7D-05A8AF4ACBCB@gmail.com>

Thanks Jim

A keeper...
Don

On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:28 PM, jhhaynes@earthlink.net wrote:

I'll agree with the others that the distortion caused by inductance is
likely to be the limiting factor rather than the voltage and current
and resistance.  And how much it matters depends on how good the signal
is to begin with.  And what speed you are running.  And I don't know any
concrete numbers; you'll just have to try it.  Ordinarily around the
home you are likely to have only a couple of printers in line, and maybe
a typing reperforator for each, for a total of four magnets.

In the test area at Teletype Corp. they once had a bunch of vacuum tube
keyers for testing a lot of machines at once.  That is, you key each TTY
loop with a tube like a 6Y6, and then you can feed the grids from the
signal source and you can have as many as you want.

I designed some stuff in the early 1960s along the same lines, using a
tube for each machine.  Later translated the design to solid state.
You can use sort of a modified RS-232 scheme in which one signal source
can drive a whole lot of receivers.


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From WA5CAB at cs.com  Tue Dec  2 01:35:00 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Tue Dec  2 01:40:12 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Given that energy can be neither created or destroyed
	...
Message-ID: <d44.36936b9b.36663114@cs.com>

The inductance is definitely the limiting factor.  Try running a single M15 
with pulling magnet selector from a 24 VDC loop supply.  The range is nil.  My 
personal experience is that you can run three 60 ma M14/15/19 pulling magnet 
selectors plus any number of nominally zero resistance/inductance units (TD, 
etc) off of a single standard 115 VDC supplied loop without serious degradation. 
 I never tried four, so I don't know.  But based on the 24 VDC experience I 
rather doubt it.

I would guess you be able to run more holding magnet selector machines (at 60 
MA) than pulling magnet ones.  But I never owned but one so equipped so I 
don't know for sure.

In a message dated 12/1/2008 10:29:17 PM Central Standard Time, 
jhhaynes@earthlink.net writes: 
> I'll agree with the others that the distortion caused by inductance is
> likely to be the limiting factor rather than the voltage and current
> and resistance.  And how much it matters depends on how good the signal
> is to begin with.  And what speed you are running.  And I don't know any
> concrete numbers; you'll just have to try it.  Ordinarily around the
> home you are likely to have only a couple of printers in line, and maybe
> a typing reperforator for each, for a total of four magnets.
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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From jrbarnish at DRPA.ORG  Tue Dec  2 07:52:16 2008
From: jrbarnish at DRPA.ORG (Jerry Barnish)
Date: Tue Dec  2 07:57:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Advice
Message-ID: <63DE25300DE2E94A858523D5163D670119F811@sopexchbe01.WKTRM.LOC>

 
Hello to all on the Net:
 
Every one here on the net is wonderful with the advice.
Cant say it enough.
Have several units that needs work ( td's, model 15, model 19, asr 28,
etc.)
I guess I am about the only one in the club currently taking the time to
do the work.
 
So between reading the manuals and gathering the different units for
repair testing,etc
I will be here with questions for those more experienced.
 
73's
 
Jerry WB2CAK
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From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 18:00:36 2008
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Tue Dec  2 18:16:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype machine available
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Message-ID: <1228258837.27810.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I have a teletype machine available that I offered here once before. I
am moving the week of December 8 and I won't be moving it. I haven't
used it and I never will. I got it from a ham who had been in Navy MARS
and that's where he got it. I would prefer somebody who wants it have
it. It will have to be local pickup in the Flint-Lansing area of
Michigan.

73,

Bill  KU8H


From wd9itr at arrl.net  Tue Dec  2 18:53:56 2008
From: wd9itr at arrl.net (David Effa)
Date: Tue Dec  2 18:59:20 2008
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] teletype machine available
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Bill,

What model is it?  Any pictures my chance?

Dave, WD9ITR

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a teletype machine available that I offered here once before. I
> am moving the week of December 8 and I won't be moving it. I haven't
> used it and I never will. I got it from a ham who had been in Navy MARS
> and that's where he got it. I would prefer somebody who wants it have
> it. It will have to be local pickup in the Flint-Lansing area of
> Michigan.
>
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Dec  2 20:22:25 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Dec  2 20:27:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
Message-ID: <DC7DE8BC528D47B9871C20838627AE24@LARRYTIGHE>

Begging your pardon per the only dumb question is the one not 
asked............

What is with eBay listings for typewriters?  The keys ...what are people 
doing with them?  One guy has a nice Smith Corona and sez he'll cut the keys 
off "long" so you can do what you want with them !  WHAT?  Cut the keys off? 
WHY?

I picked up my Model 26 at an auction house...it was pristine and like new 
but 2 or 3 keytops were missing.  They were in the eBay pix and gone when I 
got there.  He said well, you know how people steal them.....WHY?  What 
possible use can they have?

lar
Larry
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From jangus at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 20:44:35 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue Dec  2 20:49:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
Message-ID: <20081203.014435.865.1@STAY-85A77948LX>

> One guy has a nice Smith Corona and sez he'll cut the keys 
> off "long" so you can do what you want with them !  WHAT?  Cut the keys 
off? 
> WHY?
> 
> I picked up my Model 26 at an auction house...it was pristine and like new 
> but 2 or 3 keytops were missing.  They were in the eBay pix and gone when I 
> got there.  He said well, you know how people steal them.....WHY?

The short answer is people are assholes.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

"Losing faith in humanity, one asshole at a time."

From bbowers at mozarks.com  Tue Dec  2 21:39:42 2008
From: bbowers at mozarks.com (Blake Bowers)
Date: Tue Dec  2 21:46:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
References: <20081203.014435.865.1@STAY-85A77948LX>
Message-ID: <9A342310FC1D4BC2A2A471109743E6AE@toshibauser>

One can go to www eco-artware and look at their typewear to find
at least one use.

It seems that there are all sorts of artsy things going on with the keys.

Just a guess.


>> One guy has a nice Smith Corona and sez he'll cut the keys
>> off "long" so you can do what you want with them !  WHAT?  Cut the keys
> off?
>> WHY?
>>
>> I picked up my Model 26 at an auction house...it was pristine and like 
>> new
>> but 2 or 3 keytops were missing.  They were in the eBay pix and gone when 
>> I
>> got there.  He said well, you know how people steal them.....WHY?
>
> The short answer is people are assholes.
>
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
>
> "Losing faith in humanity, one asshole at a time."
>
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 23:41:30 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec  2 23:46:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
In-Reply-To: <DC7DE8BC528D47B9871C20838627AE24@LARRYTIGHE>
References: <DC7DE8BC528D47B9871C20838627AE24@LARRYTIGHE>
Message-ID: <2602C49D-953F-41A2-9F5A-4D265A315076@gmail.com>

I have often wondered the same questions Larry,

People are strange and different animals.  Some typewriters have  
changeable type, but you don't always get or may loose the key top  
that matches the print head, ball, etc.

I have lived through several of these theft scenarios.

At the museum we had a couple of kids that wanted anything as a  
souvenir so they walked off with a platen crank.  No use for it but  
they just had to have something.
I had to replace the top of the TD on a Model 35 ASR and on a Model 28  
ASR.  They were there in the morning and gone in the afternoon.  It  
seems the favorite key to pop off the M14, 15, or 19 is FIGS
I have no idea why, but I replaced that key top twice.  As far as the  
platen cranks were concerned I kept them off the machines unless I was  
demonstrating them.
We roped off some of the areas so that the keyboards were harder to  
get at.  We also lost some of the M33 friction feed platen knobs.  So  
had to lock them up as well.
The one that surprised me the most was someone actually pulling a  
whole keylever out of a M35 keyboard.  Luckily I still had a couple in  
the parts cabinet.

I also noticed that the M35 ASR at the Museum of Science and Industry  
in Chicago is also missing the top of the TD.

Our Packard Club used to put on mall shows to raise money.  One of our  
members displayed his beautiful 1926 Touring Sedan.  Some idiot  
removed one of the very rare period valve stems letting the air out of  
one of his tires.
It took a couple of months and a bit of our treasury to buy him a  
replacement.  At another one of our shows someone lifted a new old  
stock hub cap.  At another show they stole one of the car's license  
plates.

SIGH  I do not have the answers... only the questions remain.

Don
www.websthots.com/user/realstuff



On 2 Dec 2008, at 7:22 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:

Begging your pardon per the only dumb question is the one not  
asked............

What is with eBay listings for typewriters?  The keys ...what are  
people doing with them?  One guy has a nice Smith Corona and sez he'll  
cut the keys off "long" so you can do what you want with them !   
WHAT?  Cut the keys off? WHY?

I picked up my Model 26 at an auction house...it was pristine and like  
new but 2 or 3 keytops were missing.  They were in the eBay pix and  
gone when I got there.  He said well, you know how people steal  
them.....WHY?  What possible use can they have?

lar
Larry
www.antiquetelephone.com
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From ronott at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  2 23:57:27 2008
From: ronott at sbcglobal.net (Ron Ott)
Date: Wed Dec  3 00:02:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
Message-ID: <884903.43128.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have seen the keytops from old typewriters used as "charms" on women's bracelets. I've also seen them sold individually, presumably so you can make bracelets with your own message: THE LAZY BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOGS BACK 1234567890
?
Ron
W6XY
From w8au at sssnet.com  Tue Dec  2 23:58:45 2008
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au@sssnet.com)
Date: Wed Dec  3 00:04:04 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
In-Reply-To: <9A342310FC1D4BC2A2A471109743E6AE@toshibauser>
References: <20081203.014435.865.1@STAY-85A77948LX>
	<9A342310FC1D4BC2A2A471109743E6AE@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <20081203050402.83BD08582B3@mailman.qth.net>

At 09:39 PM 12/2/2008, Blake Bowers wrote:
>One can go to www eco-artware and look at their typewear to find
>at least one use.
>It seems that there are all sorts of artsy things going on with the keys.
>
>Just a guess.

Your guess is right.  I was appalled when I first found out about 
this desecration
of good artifacts.  But the stupid fact is that the keys are worth 
more to necklace
and charm bracelet artists than the whole machine is to collectors.

Perry  w8au

From WA5CAB at cs.com  Wed Dec  3 00:21:12 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Wed Dec  3 00:26:28 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
Message-ID: <d63.240a1747.36677148@cs.com>

Perry,

It doesn't only effect TTY machines and parts.  I once had the widow of a 
local surplus dealer (whose inherited warehouse I and about three other people 
mostly cleaned out) decline to sell me some aircraft antennas because she was 
starting some sort of night-club and wanted to use them in some sort of 
artsy-fartsy display.

But the reason most TTY equipment goes to the dump is that your last sentence 
is quite literally true, if not quite in the way in which you meant it.  Most 
TTY collectors expect everything to be free for the taking.

In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:59:15 PM Central Standard Time, 
w8au@sssnet.com writes: 
> Your guess is right.  I was appalled when I first found out about 
> this desecration
> of good artifacts.  But the stupid fact is that the keys are worth 
> more to necklace
> and charm bracelet artists than the whole machine is to collectors.
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec  3 00:47:31 2008
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au@sssnet.com)
Date: Wed Dec  3 00:52:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
In-Reply-To: <d63.240a1747.36677148@cs.com>
References: <d63.240a1747.36677148@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20081203055245.910208582B3@mailman.qth.net>

At 12:21 AM 12/3/2008, WA5CAB@cs.com wrote:
>But the reason most TTY equipment goes to the dump is that your last 
>sentence is quite literally true, if not quite in the way in which 
>you meant it.  Most TTY collectors expect everything to be free for the taking.

Hi, Robert:  That's true, but I think the original question was about 
typewriters
and that's what I noticed on Ebay sales when for a few years I looked 
for Navy Mills.

And "civilians" no doubt have much more access to typewriters than 
TTY machines.

About your last point....  I had two TT-7G Army portables (mod 15's 
with carrying case
that becomes the TTY table).  Couldn't give them away.  Donated them 
to a Military
Air Preservation museum to complement their AAF displays.  Probably 
the best place
for them anyway.   (I did keep my TT-39G Navy models, though) :-)

Perry

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From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 08:36:19 2008
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Wed Dec  3 08:52:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: teletype machine available
In-Reply-To: <20081203052637.0D3F4859C03@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20081203052637.0D3F4859C03@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1228311379.3591.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

The machine has been spoken for. Thanks for your consideration.

73,

Bill  KU8H

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec  3 08:58:34 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed Dec  3 09:03:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
In-Reply-To: <2602C49D-953F-41A2-9F5A-4D265A315076@gmail.com>
References: <DC7DE8BC528D47B9871C20838627AE24@LARRYTIGHE>
	<2602C49D-953F-41A2-9F5A-4D265A315076@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4936908A.702@bellsouth.net>

Don Robert House wrote:

> SIGH  I do not have the answers... only the questions remain.

As much as I hate it- Jeff's "short answer" is, unfortunately, pretty 
much spot-on.

best!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Wed Dec  3 09:34:12 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Wed Dec  3 09:39:13 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys
References: <DC7DE8BC528D47B9871C20838627AE24@LARRYTIGHE><2602C49D-953F-41A2-9F5A-4D265A315076@gmail.com>
	<4936908A.702@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <004701c95554$370aac70$0201a8c0@system1>

Ya know, last Saturday I drove over 700 miles and in addition to that
expense I paid $50 for a model 15 to save it from a landfill.  I've been
following this discussion for a few days now and really have to control my
temper.   But I will also say that in my other ham radio interests I
encounter parallels, including emergency communications, D-star and software
defined radio.   Yup, it is a people thing and seems to be tied to everyone
having rights and, as a daughter-in-law put it, people shouldn't have to
work too hard to have a good living.

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy or Sherry Guttery" <comcents@bellsouth.net>
To: "Don Robert House" <Packard42@gmail.com>; <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Typewriter keys


> Don Robert House wrote:
>
> > SIGH  I do not have the answers... only the questions remain.
>
> As much as I hate it- Jeff's "short answer" is, unfortunately, pretty
> much spot-on.
>
> best!
> -- 
> randy guttery
>
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>


From david.effa at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 18:50:39 2008
From: david.effa at gmail.com (David Effa)
Date: Wed Dec  3 10:25:14 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype machine available
In-Reply-To: <1228258837.27810.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20081126232815.D2BF6859C65@mailman.qth.net>
	<1228258837.27810.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <b57442c70812021550v3c4e25b5o552d8df5e41899ac@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

What model is it?  Any pictures my chance?

Dave, WD9ITR

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a teletype machine available that I offered here once before. I
> am moving the week of December 8 and I won't be moving it. I haven't
> used it and I never will. I got it from a ham who had been in Navy MARS
> and that's where he got it. I would prefer somebody who wants it have
> it. It will have to be local pickup in the Flint-Lansing area of
> Michigan.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill  KU8H
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
From k9tty at dls.net  Wed Dec  3 15:57:37 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed Dec  3 16:02:59 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Golden Documents found on the World Wide Web...
Message-ID: <F5B4ADAD-F6AD-408D-A367-EC3FD09ACD4F@dls.net>

Enjoy all ye old Bell Telephone Workers...

God bless you one and all...

Don R. House, N.S.E. (Ret.)


<http://porticus.org/bell/>
From jangus at socal.rr.com  Wed Dec  3 16:10:49 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Wed Dec  3 16:16:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Golden Documents found on the World Wide Web...
Message-ID: <20081203.211049.890.1@STAY-85A77948LX>

> Enjoy all ye old Bell Telephone Workers...
> 
> God bless you one and all...

Ok, absolutely nothing at all to remotely connect to a TTY machine, but I 
stumbled across
this on the link.

http://www.porticus.org/bell/belllabs_kits_ss.html

Oh man, I have one of those kits and built it in elementry school. 

What a rush to see that again.

Thanks Don

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

From al.e.murray at uwrf.edu  Wed Dec  3 16:12:58 2008
From: al.e.murray at uwrf.edu (Al Murray)
Date: Wed Dec  3 16:18:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Golden Documents found on the World Wide Web...
In-Reply-To: <F5B4ADAD-F6AD-408D-A367-EC3FD09ACD4F@dls.net>
References: <F5B4ADAD-F6AD-408D-A367-EC3FD09ACD4F@dls.net>
Message-ID: <4936F65A.9040104@uwrf.edu>

Remember the sign in every truck and CO:

"No job is so important, No service so urgent
that we cannot take time to do our work safely."

Still have my big Brass Bell System buckle.

AL Murray

Don Robert House wrote:
> Enjoy all ye old Bell Telephone Workers...
>
> God bless you one and all...
>
> Don R. House, N.S.E. (Ret.)
>
>
> <http://porticus.org/bell/>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
From k9tty at dls.net  Wed Dec  3 16:33:09 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed Dec  3 16:38:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Golden Documents found on the World Wide Web...
In-Reply-To: <20081203.211049.890.1@STAY-85A77948LX>
References: <20081203.211049.890.1@STAY-85A77948LX>
Message-ID: <45E27F51-C81E-4774-9AC0-E274B17AA783@dls.net>

Notice I wrote nothing about Teletype.  This information is close to  
the heart of former Bell System employees.

Sorry if you folks think this is too off topic.

Don
K9TTY


Ok, absolutely nothing at all to remotely connect to a TTY machine,  
but I
stumbled across
this on the link.

http://www.porticus.org/bell/belllabs_kits_ss.html

Oh man, I have one of those kits and built it in elementry school.

What a rush to see that again.

Thanks Don

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From k9tty at dls.net  Wed Dec  3 17:42:34 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed Dec  3 17:47:56 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Somewhat OT - Bell System and Western Electric Memorial
Message-ID: <6129AD8A-7D0D-46FA-8A4E-403390F73610@dls.net>

<http://porticus.org/bell/westernelectric_history.html>
From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  3 18:29:02 2008
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Wed Dec  3 18:34:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Golden Documents found on the World Wide Web...
In-Reply-To: <45E27F51-C81E-4774-9AC0-E274B17AA783@dls.net>
References: <20081203.211049.890.1@STAY-85A77948LX>
	<45E27F51-C81E-4774-9AC0-E274B17AA783@dls.net>
Message-ID: <4937163E.80802@ntlworld.com>

Don Robert House wrote:
>  Notice I wrote nothing about Teletype.  This information is close to
>  the heart of former Bell System employees.
>  Sorry if you folks think this is too off topic.

Not at all, Don. Looks like there could be several hours or more's 
browsing there.
 By the way, the index page appears to be:
http://www.porticus.org/bell/bell.htm

Cheers,
Sam

From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Wed Dec  3 23:20:21 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Wed Dec  3 23:25:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Golden Documents found on the World Wide Web...
In-Reply-To: <4936F65A.9040104@uwrf.edu>
References: <F5B4ADAD-F6AD-408D-A367-EC3FD09ACD4F@dls.net>
	<4936F65A.9040104@uwrf.edu>
Message-ID: <120420080420.6565.49375A8500017230000019A522230682229B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>


 I've got 6-7 of those "No Job....." lables here.  About 12 inches long by 3 1/2 inches wide given to me while i worked for USWEST,  Anyone want one?

Larry
W0OGH


  -------------- Original message from Al Murray <al.e.murray@uwrf.edu>: --------------


> Remember the sign in every truck and CO:
> 
> "No job is so important, No service so urgent
> that we cannot take time to do our work safely."
> 
> Still have my big Brass Bell System buckle.
> 
> AL Murray
> 
> Don Robert House wrote:
> > Enjoy all ye old Bell Telephone Workers...
> >
> > God bless you one and all...
> >
> > Don R. House, N.S.E. (Ret.)
> >
> >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
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From kirill at lava.net  Thu Dec  4 11:57:26 2008
From: kirill at lava.net (Kirill Levchenko)
Date: Thu Dec  4 12:02:51 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for AN/UGC-74A service manual and connectors
Message-ID: <87005350-3484-4920-9B70-800386342D34@lava.net>

Hi List,

I am looking for an AN/UGC-74A service manual (not operator manual);  
does anyone have one? Also, is there a good source for connectors? I  
believe they are MIL-C-26482 series. They are about $25 from Mouser;  
is there a cheaper source?

Thanks,
Kirill
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Thu Dec  4 12:41:06 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu Dec  4 12:46:32 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for AN/UGC-74A service manual and connectors
References: <87005350-3484-4920-9B70-800386342D34@lava.net>
Message-ID: <FFE25EDF219A441F9FB9E07A7CB94015@ljt>

RE: Connectors

Not "cheap" but, less expensive usually,

William Perry Company
702 Beechwood Rd
Louisville, KY
40207
Fone 502 893 8274

Great folks to deal with and can sometimes find used connectors to fill your 
requirements.

lar


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirill Levchenko" <kirill@lava.net>
To: "greenkeys" <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for AN/UGC-74A service manual and connectors


> Hi List,
>
> I am looking for an AN/UGC-74A service manual (not operator manual);  does 
> anyone have one? Also, is there a good source for connectors? I  believe 
> they are MIL-C-26482 series. They are about $25 from Mouser;  is there a 
> cheaper source?
>
> Thanks,
> Kirill
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 

From WA5CAB at cs.com  Thu Dec  4 13:53:40 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Thu Dec  4 13:59:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for AN/UGC-74A service manual and connectors
Message-ID: <ca0.43da5cf6.36698134@cs.com>

The set is too new for me to have any manuals on it.  You might try Fair 
Radio but that'll be a long shot.

Same situation with the connectors but try Bill Perry at William Perry Co. in 
Louisville, KY.  502-893-8724.  You'll probably need the MS numbers of the 
connectors you need.  Bill will be familiar with the series but may not know the 
UGC-74's requirements.

In a message dated 12/4/2008 10:57:59 AM Central Standard Time, 
kirill@lava.net writes: 
> I am looking for an AN/UGC-74A service manual (not operator manual);  
> does anyone have one? Also, is there a good source for connectors? I  
> believe they are MIL-C-26482 series. They are about $25 from Mouser;  
> is there a cheaper source?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kirill
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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From klevchen at cs.ucsd.edu  Thu Dec  4 10:40:10 2008
From: klevchen at cs.ucsd.edu (Kirill Levchenko)
Date: Fri Dec  5 09:28:28 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for AN/UGC-74A service manual and connectors
Message-ID: <C0D7D7AA-CAAF-4332-B7B0-AE527AD99ABF@cs.ucsd.edu>

Hi List,

I am looking for an AN/UGC-74A service manual (not operator manual);  
does anyone have one? Also, is there a good source for connectors? I  
believe they are MIL-C-26482 series. They are about $25 from Mouser;  
is there a cheaper source?

Thanks,
Kirill
From odaymg at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 11:36:28 2008
From: odaymg at yahoo.com (Michael O'Day)
Date: Fri Dec  5 11:41:57 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Chessie & your Greenkeys post.
In-Reply-To: <20081202.231140.2008.0.kf9nz@juno.com>
Message-ID: <994828.99185.qm@web50012.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Frank,

 I did remember, after I hit "Send", that Forest Hill
Yard was in fact at 75th & Kedzie. I also remember the
IBM 360 at Barr Yard. We also serviced the DEX
machines used to transmit the punch card consist to
the tower and the TD 800 terminals, which were black
and about the size of a small portable TV. I still
have the video section from one of them, it's a nice
B/W composite video rig. I answered the page when
sombody hit a 10,000 volt feed line with a crane, and
crossed it to the 110 volt line for the Barr Yard main
building. As you might imagine there was lots of
smoke, and several desktop calculators were immolated.
I recall frantically trying to get new power supplies
for the TC35's only to find it was the one assembly no
one had ever anticipated replacing, and there was no
part number.  C&O Baltimore sent some replacement
machines strapped on a flatbed car.  They hit rain on
the way. Fun times.
 I would come back, except that I now live in Dyer IN,
so it's a bit of a strech.  Good luck in the election.

Mike N9ODM

--- kf9nz@juno.com wrote:

>      I started on the B&OCT as an Operator-Leverman
> - more commonly known
> as "Towerman"- in 1957.  I worked 7 different towers
> at times, and in
> 1967 transferred to the Engineering Dep't as
> "Telephone Maintainer". 
> Actually I maintained anything remotely connected
> with Communications
> (How about a fire alarm system?) and even did a fair
> amount of lineman
> work - mostly trouble shooting.   My headquarters
> was in Grand Central
> Sta at Harrison & Wells and my territory included
> yard offices at 13th &
> Damen (Robey St Yard)    13th & Homan, and 12th &
> Cicero (48th Ave) as
> well as 79th & Western (actually closer to Oakley) -
> Forest Hill Yard.  
> 75th & Pulaski ?   Maybe 75th & Kedzie.  Actually a
> C&O yard on the Belt
> RR.  Not until much later after C&O/B&O merger did I
> get involved in that
> one.   in 1979 I was promoted to Supervisor of
> Communications and I had
> all of B&OCT as well as B&O territory east to
> Garrett Ind as well as part
> of B&O Indianapolis Div, Indy to Tuscola Ill and C&O
> territory Peru Ind
> to Griffith Ind (Now abandoned).  Over the years my
> title and territory
> changed several times.    My office was at Barr Yard
> (that's the 128th &
> Halsted loc'n) all this time.   I enjoyed Teletype
> work, but of course it
> was on it's way out even when I started.   I wound
> up with a fair amount
> of stuff salvaged from the scrap - but it was I and
> some of my men who
> disconnected it and carried it out of the offices.  
> When I first visited
> Barr Yard, the yard office was so crammed with IBM
> card punch and card
> sorters etc you could barely walk through the
> building, and not a video
> screen in the place.   
> 
>         SRRC is still going strong, and I'm running
> for Pres.  Election
> is Monday Dec 8.  Come on back.
> 
> Frankf9nz
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:43:06 -0800 (PST) Michael
> O'Day <odaymg@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > Hi Frank,
> >  I was getting caught up on all my backlogged
> Yahoo
> > email, and read your post to Greenkeys. What B&O
> > office did you work out of? I used to work for
> > Burroughs/UNISYS and serviced the TC3500's & card
> > punch units in the Chicago area, specifically
> 128th &
> > Halsted, 79th & Western, and 75th & Pulaski (so I
> had
> > many conversations with Walter in Data Control). I
> was
> > also a member of the SRRC for a while, but was
> only
> > able to make a few of the meetings (in
> > Streator)because of my work schedule.
> > 
> > Mike N9ODM 
> > 
> > --- kf9nz@juno.com wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > >         On the B&O RR we used mailboxes almost
> > > exclusively for Model 15
> > > printers as well as some M14 reperf's.    There
> were
> > > cabinets for RO
> > > printers - no opening in the door for they KB.  
> The
> > > reperf cabs had a
> > > slot for the tape chute in the cover.    We
> liked
> > > them.  it was very easy
> > > to work on the machines with the table rolled
> out.  
> > > The 15 I have is in
> > > one of them. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Frankf9nz
> > >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________
> > > Become a medical transcriptionist at home, at
> your
> > > own pace.
> > >
> >
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bxgFi6HIFufSNq2UZ7XnPZ
> 9A6y0TwCEEjPyzLyEEc39T93/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GreenKeys mailing list
> > > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > >
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > 
> > 
> 



      
From Packard42 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 20:10:19 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec  5 20:16:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for AN/UGC-74A service manual and connectors
In-Reply-To: <87005350-3484-4920-9B70-800386342D34@lava.net>
References: <87005350-3484-4920-9B70-800386342D34@lava.net>
Message-ID: <DC53B84C-C919-46D3-9083-36F4BB272B51@gmail.com>

Normally the best source for Mil connectors is William Perry Company  
in Kentucky.

(502) 893-8724

Then there is RF Connections  <http://www.therfc.com/>

Both are very helpful.

I have operators manuals but not service manuals.

Don
K9TTY

Keep in mind that a dollar is not what it used to be $25. today is  
like $5. back in the 60s.


On 4 Dec 2008, at 10:57 AM, Kirill Levchenko wrote:

Hi List,

I am looking for an AN/UGC-74A service manual (not operator manual);  
does anyone have one? Also, is there a good source for connectors? I  
believe they are MIL-C-26482 series. They are about $25 from Mouser;  
is there a cheaper source?

Thanks,
Kirill
_______________________________________________
GreenKeys mailing list
GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Dec  5 22:31:43 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec  5 22:37:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Model 19 on eBay...
In-Reply-To: <002901c95688$33173630$0201a8c0@system1>
References: <6129AD8A-7D0D-46FA-8A4E-403390F73610@dls.net>
	<002901c95688$33173630$0201a8c0@system1>
Message-ID: <3234D1F0-7B9A-492F-BDFC-D08D07A5CB55@dls.net>

I have no idea Lee.  eBay no longer ids the bidders.
73,
Don

On 4 Dec 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lee Mushel wrote:

Am I bidding against a greenkeyer for the eBay Green Bay model 19  
ASR?  My
only concern is keeping the keys away from the arts and crafts people  
or the
land fill.   I don't need another machine...and I have no interest in a
bidding war.....

73

Lee   K9WRU
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Sat Dec  6 12:24:13 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat Dec  6 12:29:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Model 19 on eBay...
References: <6129AD8A-7D0D-46FA-8A4E-403390F73610@dls.net><002901c95688$33173630$0201a8c0@system1>
	<3234D1F0-7B9A-492F-BDFC-D08D07A5CB55@dls.net>
Message-ID: <357E9F71F6FB4FFEA67C9A64DDB2FAC9@LARRYTIGHE>

It's probably a very safe assumption that anyone bidding on it has to be 
nuts enuf to be a collector :>) Greenkeyer or not, let the market place 
decide.  The end result is most likely a good home for the lonely machine.

lar



Am I bidding against a greenkeyer for the eBay Green Bay model 19
> ASR?  My
> only concern is keeping the keys away from the arts and crafts people  or 
> the
> land fill.   I don't need another machine...and I have no interest in a
> bidding war.....
>
> 73
>
> Lee   K9WRU
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> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
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From wb6blv at inreach.com  Sat Dec  6 14:17:01 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Sat Dec  6 14:22:15 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 28, Central California
Message-ID: <09aa01c957d7$37f41ce0$5888fea9@dwilegal>

due to health problems, my 28 is available free for pickup... hope it doesnt
have to go to the scrap yard or landfill

John
WB6BLV@inreach.com

From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Sun Dec  7 00:16:15 2008
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Sun Dec  7 00:21:22 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35ASR TD and answerback assembly (Free)
Message-ID: <DFE18581CF9C4A3F9DA5FD3E046391CD@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Everyone,

I received a TD today from a friend that has been expertly identified by Jack Hart, K0TTY, as the entire TD and answerback assembly from a Model 35ASR (8 level).

Here are a few photos:

http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0238.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0237.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0236.jpg

It's free to whomever wants it just for the cost of shipping. If this is something you want, please send me your address and I'll get a shipping estimate to you.

Happy Holidays and 73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule
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From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Sun Dec  7 00:37:06 2008
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Sun Dec  7 00:42:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35ASR TD and answerback assembly (Free)
References: <DFE18581CF9C4A3F9DA5FD3E046391CD@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <776B9604589D44EE8BC658239AF8497E@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Everyone,

The model 35ASR TD and answerback assembly has a new hom.  Thanks to all!

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Derek Cohn/WB0TUA 
  To: Greenkeys ((E-mail)) 
  Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:16 PM
  Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35ASR TD and answerback assembly (Free)


  Hi Everyone,

  I received a TD today from a friend that has been expertly identified by Jack Hart, K0TTY, as the entire TD and answerback assembly from a Model 35ASR (8 level).

  Here are a few photos:

  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0238.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0237.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0236.jpg

  It's free to whomever wants it just for the cost of shipping. If this is something you want, please send me your address and I'll get a shipping estimate to you.

  Happy Holidays and 73,

  Derek Cohn
  Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
  Office UD, Sine DJ
  Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
  1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule


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From wa3frp at aol.com  Sun Dec  7 12:55:36 2008
From: wa3frp at aol.com (wa3frp@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  7 13:01:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY 
Message-ID: <8CB26AC24C33423-F44-19AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.?? I've copied the "Greenkeys" list in the hope that others on that?list are also interested in participating in a Straight key night that would be open to all, including those who are still capable of using "Heavy Metal" RTTY.

Thanks and 73
Russ WA3FRP




Message: 1
Date: Sun,? 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0500
From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
Subject: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
Cc: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1228653723.493bc49bc6f7f@webmail.pactor.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello all..

Chen sent me an email containing an idea that I believe has merit. <See below>

I am willing to work on this project.

Does anyone have any hints about this? Are there potential conflicts?

Thanks!

73 de Phil - N8PS

-------

Quoting Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>:

> 
> We need a "straight key night" for RTTY.? No macros, no exchanges,? 
> just get on to type a hello or two -- perhaps you can organize one? 
> like that to coincide with SKN?? The Swedish Happy New Year event? 
> still requires you to send an exchange than chat free-hand.
> 
> Vy 73
> Chen





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From WA3FRP at aol.com  Sun Dec  7 14:15:23 2008
From: WA3FRP at aol.com (WA3FRP@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  7 14:21:06 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
Message-ID: <c0e.3e625cbc.366d7acb@aol.com>

Hello Roger, 

Working in Telex had its  advantages. I was able to acquire two of my 28ASRs 
while at Western Union.
My  third is a 28KSR "Mouse Machine" that was liberated from Pac Bell in 1970 
by Irv  W6FFC and the gang in California. 

On the air, I'll use tape first for  QTH, Grid and brag list but enjoy a nice 
chat using only the Teletype  keyboard.  I hope that we can have a QSO soon.

G3CQE was a pioneer  in RTTY and RTTY DX having accomplished the first 
recorded G to G RTTY QSO as  well as the first recorded G to VE, VK and ZL QSOs all 
in 1959!  I never  worked him.  My earliest G contact with UK was Reg, G6JF 
(SK) back in 1967  -1968.

Thanks and 73
Russ WA3FRP



-----Original  Message-----
From: Roger Cooke <g3ldi@g3ldi.co.uk>
To:  wa3frp@aol.com
Cc: rtty@contesting.com; greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Sent:  Sun, 7 Dec 2008 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for  RTTY


I got rid of my model 19 set some years ago. I would at that  time have given 
my right arm for a 28ASR. That was the 
holy grail in the UK.  I don't think anybody ever did get one. 

No, you will have to  put up with me on the "grey keys" now! However, I can 
type lots more than 599  73! 

I was taught by the maestro - G3CQE - the first G on HF RTTY.  

73 de Roger, G3LDI 

wa3frp@aol.com wrote: 
>  Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.?? 
I've  copied the "Greenkeys" list in the hope that others on that?list are also  
interested in participating in a Straight key night that would be open to 
all,  including those who are still capable of using "Heavy Metal" RTTY. 
>  
> Thanks and 73 
> Russ WA3FRP 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Message: 1 
> Date: Sun,? 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0500 
>  From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com> 
> Subject: [RTTY]  "Straight key night" for RTTY 
> To: RTTY Reflector  <rtty@contesting.com> 
> Cc: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com> 
>  Message-ID: <1228653723.493bc49bc6f7f@webmail.pactor.com> 
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 
> 
> Hello all..  
> 
> Chen sent me an email containing an idea that I believe has  merit. <See 
below> 
> 
> I am willing to work on this project.  
> 
> Does anyone have any hints about this? Are there potential  conflicts? 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> 73 de Phil - N8PS  
> 
> ------- 
> 
> Quoting Kok Chen  <chen@mac.com>: 
> 
> >> We need a "straight key night"  for RTTY.? No macros, no exchanges,? >> 
just get on to type a hello or two  -- perhaps you can organize one? >> like 
that to coincide with SKN?? The  Swedish Happy New Year event? >> still 
requires you to send an exchange  than chat free-hand. 
>> 
>> Vy 73 
>> Chen  

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From jangus at socal.rr.com  Sun Dec  7 14:54:43 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sun Dec  7 15:00:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
In-Reply-To: <c0e.3e625cbc.366d7acb@aol.com>
References: <c0e.3e625cbc.366d7acb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <493C2A03.2080701@socal.rr.com>

WA3FRP@aol.com wrote:
> On the air, I'll use tape first for  QTH, Grid and brag list but
> enjoy a nice chat using only the Teletype  keyboard.  I hope that
> we can have a QSO soon.
It's been way too long since I was on the air with a real machine.
As a  hint, it was on 2 meter AFSK AM 145.850 MHz.

I used to drive the guys in the round table nuts because I'd buffer my
replies with the Model 19 tape punch, then hit send. I could go for
about 5 minutes (typing at 45-50 WPM before I'd run out of tape
and quit so my entire reply would go out at 60 WPM.

There was always one guy that did the real time hunt and peck. I
think it would drive all of us nuts waiting for each letter trying to guess
what he was going to say.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi



From k1lky at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  7 21:07:22 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sun Dec  7 21:13:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY 
In-Reply-To: <8CB26AC24C33423-F44-19AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB26AC24C33423-F44-19AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F57A06DE-18E7-455C-9FD5-47BAF9CB359A@earthlink.net>


On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:

> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.

How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  Run  
it the same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their normal spots  
on the band or bands would hopefully not offend the cw guys a lot.   
We'd be unlikely to ovewhelm the bands so as to cause trouble.

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  7 21:38:47 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun Dec  7 21:44:40 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY 
In-Reply-To: <F57A06DE-18E7-455C-9FD5-47BAF9CB359A@earthlink.net>
References: <8CB26AC24C33423-F44-19AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
	<F57A06DE-18E7-455C-9FD5-47BAF9CB359A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812072029190.5516@localhost.localdomain>

When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were doing it 
on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF bands in the U.S.
There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and remember the
RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical teleprinters
if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz shift if possible.

The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for operating
was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at midnight.

The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year will
be the 56th anniversary.

Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of mechanical
TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:

>
> On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.
>
> How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  Run it the 
> same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their normal spots on the band 
> or bands would hopefully not offend the cw guys a lot.  We'd be unlikely to 
> ovewhelm the bands so as to cause trouble.
>
> Roy
>
> Roy Morgan
> k1lky@earthlink.net
> 529 Cobb St.
> Groton NY, 13073
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From _dave.f at mail.com  Sun Dec  7 21:56:47 2008
From: _dave.f at mail.com (david freeman)
Date: Sun Dec  7 22:02:33 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
Message-ID: <20081208025647.EA63A1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>

Requiring vacuum tube gear would leave me out of it this year.
It seems like just requiring a one of the stations to be using a mechanical teleprinter is enough.
It would be fun to be the center of a pileup because you are hunting/pecking. :)
Dave, WW8S

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> To: "Roy Morgan" <k1lky@earthlink.net>
> Cc: wa3frp@aol.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, rtty@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY 
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:38:47 -0600 (CST)
> 
> 
> When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were 
> doing it on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF 
> bands in the U.S.
> There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and remember the
> RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical teleprinters
> if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz shift if possible.
> 
> The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
> falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
> privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for operating
> was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at midnight.
> 
> The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year will
> be the 56th anniversary.
> 
> Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of mechanical
> TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
> vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?
> 
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.
> >
> > How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  
> > Run it the same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their 
> > normal spots on the band or bands would hopefully not offend the 
> > cw guys a lot.  We'd be unlikely to ovewhelm the bands so as to 
> > cause trouble.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > Roy Morgan
> > k1lky@earthlink.net
> > 529 Cobb St.
> > Groton NY, 13073
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> _______________________________________________
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From k1lky at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  7 22:17:02 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sun Dec  7 22:23:06 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
In-Reply-To: <20081208025647.EA63A1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081208025647.EA63A1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <DE0DCAD1-EB45-4033-93CB-2F69738A59D2@earthlink.net>


On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:56 PM, david freeman wrote:

> Requiring vacuum tube gear would leave me out of it this year.
> It seems like just requiring a one of the stations to be using a  
> mechanical teleprinter is enough.

Keeping it "come as you are" as much as  possible would seem best to  
me.  Points for tubes, points for mechanical machines, whatever.  The  
points should not matter much.  The only requirement should be that  
it's RTTY!

Roy


Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From WA3FRP at aol.com  Sun Dec  7 22:35:49 2008
From: WA3FRP at aol.com (WA3FRP@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  7 22:40:08 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
Message-ID: <cae.3af1b60b.366df015@aol.com>

I'm ready for whenever this happens.    I can't TX 850 shift at the moment 
but I'm sure that I can tweak my shifters, if  necessary.  

Russ WA3FRP
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From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Sun Dec  7 22:36:55 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Sun Dec  7 22:42:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
References: <20081208025647.EA63A1BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c958e6$39224780$0201a8c0@system1>

No, no!   You are gettng too close to going too far.   You can never come to
agreement if you try to set any standards other than using a real teletype
machine.   I don't consider myself to be a true RTTY Old Timer since my
first machine, 7/8s of a Model 19 was only obtained in 1972.   But I had
built my first terminal unit ten years before that.  Yes it had tubes but I
could say that if you hadn't bought your toroids from Elliot Buchanan and
you hadn't built a TU in a polar relay can you really aren't a true blue
RTTY person.  But that would be silly.   While I now own an ST-6 built by
HAL my first one was mostly home brew since I bought only bare boards.   And
I would object strenuously to the tube requirement even though I must have
at least four tube type TUs around here.   I would put being able to set a
governed motor properly with a tuning fork ahead of that.   And how could
you possibly set up a machine without a fox box?

Oh, I almost forgot.   How can you possibly enjoy teletype if you can't type
faster than 60 wpm so you can experience the resistance of the machine
against your fingers?

No, keep it simple.   Just use a real mechanical machine and don't worry
about it being a Model 14, 19,26, or 28 or some other more exotic creation!

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david freeman" <_dave.f@mail.com>
To: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>; "Roy Morgan"
<k1lky@earthlink.net>
Cc: <wa3frp@aol.com>; <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>; <rtty@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY


> Requiring vacuum tube gear would leave me out of it this year.
> It seems like just requiring a one of the stations to be using a
mechanical teleprinter is enough.
> It would be fun to be the center of a pileup because you are
hunting/pecking. :)
> Dave, WW8S
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> > To: "Roy Morgan" <k1lky@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: wa3frp@aol.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, rtty@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:38:47 -0600 (CST)
> >
> >
> > When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were
> > doing it on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF
> > bands in the U.S.
> > There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and remember the
> > RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical
teleprinters
> > if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz shift if possible.
> >
> > The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
> > falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
> > privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for
operating
> > was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at midnight.
> >
> > The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year will
> > be the 56th anniversary.
> >
> > Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of mechanical
> > TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
> > vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.
> > >
> > > How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?
> > > Run it the same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their
> > > normal spots on the band or bands would hopefully not offend the
> > > cw guys a lot.  We'd be unlikely to ovewhelm the bands so as to
> > > cause trouble.
> > >
> > > Roy
> > >
> > > Roy Morgan
> > > k1lky@earthlink.net
> > > 529 Cobb St.
> > > Groton NY, 13073
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GreenKeys mailing list
> > > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Mon Dec  8 08:00:47 2008
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
Date: Mon Dec  8 08:06:35 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
Message-ID: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>

Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in, for
example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired some
28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts for
quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm beds.

Thanks,
Kevin

From g3ldi at g3ldi.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 13:43:02 2008
From: g3ldi at g3ldi.co.uk (Roger Cooke)
Date: Mon Dec  8 10:08:14 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
In-Reply-To: <8CB26AC24C33423-F44-19AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB26AC24C33423-F44-19AA@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <493C1936.9050507@g3ldi.co.uk>

I got rid of my model 19 set some years ago.  I would at that time have 
given my right arm for a 28ASR. That was the
holy grail in the UK. I don't think anybody ever did get one.

  No, you will have to put up with me on the "grey keys" now!  However, 
I can type lots more than 599 73!

I was taught by the maestro - G3CQE - the first G on HF RTTY.

73 de Roger, G3LDI

wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.?? I've copied the "Greenkeys" list in the hope that others on that?list are also interested in participating in a Straight key night that would be open to all, including those who are still capable of using "Heavy Metal" RTTY.
>
> Thanks and 73
> Russ WA3FRP
>
>
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun,? 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0500
> From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> Subject: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
> Cc: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
> Message-ID: <1228653723.493bc49bc6f7f@webmail.pactor.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello all..
>
> Chen sent me an email containing an idea that I believe has merit. <See below>
>
> I am willing to work on this project.
>
> Does anyone have any hints about this? Are there potential conflicts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> 73 de Phil - N8PS
>
> -------
>
> Quoting Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>:
>
>   
>> We need a "straight key night" for RTTY.? No macros, no exchanges,? 
>> just get on to type a hello or two -- perhaps you can organize one? 
>> like that to coincide with SKN?? The Swedish Happy New Year event? 
>> still requires you to send an exchange than chat free-hand.
>>
>> Vy 73
>> Chen
>>     
>
>
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From psussman at pactor.com  Mon Dec  8 08:00:26 2008
From: psussman at pactor.com (Phil Sussman)
Date: Mon Dec  8 10:08:33 2008
Subject: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
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If the primary focus is to promote QSOs on RTTY then I believe that the 
solution is simplicity itself.

Get on the air, just to say howdy, or rag-chew, or QSO with whatever pleases 
you. If it's 850z shift -or- older mechanical machines -or- that old Commodore 
VIC-20 with a Hamsoft cartridge -or- whatever. Forget formality or format. Yep, 
remember those old RTTY pioneers and experience your own 'pioneering'.

If you've wanted to play with RTTY for the first time or the thousandth time, 
here is an opportunity to have fun and gain some enjoyment. No pressure to 
compete -- no logging programs, robots, or multipliers. Those have their own 
time and place. 

Competing with "Straight key night" is competing ... While there may be 'room' 
there will also be conflict -- let's avoid that if possible. Feb. 20 is 
significant, but Feb. 20, 2009 is a Friday. Perhaps some time on New Year's Day.

Comments -- pro and con -- welcome.

Thanks,

73 de Phil - N8PS

--------------

Quoting Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>:

> When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were doing it 
> on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF bands in the U.S.
> There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and remember the
> RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical teleprinters
> if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz shift if possible.
> 
> The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
> falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
> privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for operating
> was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at midnight.
> 
> The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year will
> be the 56th anniversary.
> 
> Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of mechanical
> TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
> vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?
> 
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.
> >
> > How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  Run it the
> 
> > same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their normal spots on the band
> 
> > or bands would hopefully not offend the cw guys a lot.  We'd be unlikely to
> 
> > ovewhelm the bands so as to cause trouble.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > Roy Morgan
> > k1lky@earthlink.net
> > 529 Cobb St.
> > Groton NY, 13073
> >
> >
> >
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec  8 10:55:41 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon Dec  8 11:01:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
In-Reply-To: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
References: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <493D437D.6070802@bellsouth.net>

kh-phillips@9-5usa.org wrote:

> Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in, for
> example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired some
> 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts for
> quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm beds.

I'm currently in contact with Owens-Corning, the original manufacturer 
of the "pads" in the bottom of (at least the early) 28s. So far - they 
have shuffled me to several different people whom were "supposed" to 
recommend a current product equivalent to the 1" fiberglass originally 
supplied.  I'll let everyone know when (*IF*) I get an answer... (been a 
couple of months already).

The original pads supplied in the 28KSR was:

Pad, silencing: fibre glass; appox. 14"lg X 11" h X 1" thick.  TTY P/N 
151533   Owens-Corning P/N PF-316-1 lb density.

I've just sent a "reminder - follow-up" email to Owens - hopefully it'll 
get some response.

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From boatanchor at martasystems.com  Mon Dec  8 11:59:59 2008
From: boatanchor at martasystems.com (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
Date: Mon Dec  8 12:05:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
Message-ID: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANAEKPINAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>

All -

I've successfully used a sound-dampening material for aircraft that is a
closed-cell, non-absorbant oil, solvent and fire-proof material. It's
available from Aircraft Spruce in various thicknesses, with or without
adhesive backing. Search their website www.aircraftspruce.com for part
number 09-42720 or go directly to the spec sheet at
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/supersoundproffsheet.php

I had some left over from my aircraft project, and completely relined the
interior case of a 28ASR using the non-adhesive version with Pliobond
adhesive glue (also from Aircraft Spruce). Works great.

john WB6AZP



From n1jzv at midmaine.com  Mon Dec  8 12:29:00 2008
From: n1jzv at midmaine.com (n1jzv@midmaine.com)
Date: Mon Dec  8 12:34:49 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-76 Part needed
Message-ID: <17222.138.162.0.41.1228757340.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com>

Looking for a selector magnet/assy for a TT-76C, it does not seem to be
adjusting correctly and suspect the magnets have gotten week over time. 
Thanks for your help

Mark Burgess

W1ACP

From alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 12:43:39 2008
From: alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk (Alf Fisher)
Date: Mon Dec  8 12:49:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for a ASR33 chad box
Message-ID: <7F6C7618DA994799B2403D3385D98C51@ALFSTUDY>

Hi Greenkeyers,
Please does anyone have a spare chad box for a stand mounted ASR33 that I could have for the museum for a suitable amount?

73

Alf
G3WSD
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From: w5jv at hotmail.com (John Hensley)
Date: Mon Dec  8 13:02:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] the person who had the M28 tabletop unit,
	I have a buyer for it ...
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From wb6blv at inreach.com  Mon Dec  8 16:15:18 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Mon Dec  8 16:20:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 has a home now
Message-ID: <032a01c9597a$12be18a0$5888fea9@dwilegal>

List, I apologize for not posting this sooner...  health issues...

John
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  8 17:25:50 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon Dec  8 17:31:56 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-76 Part needed
References: <17222.138.162.0.41.1228757340.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com>
Message-ID: <1B268031063B4B8988A80F3979472722@LARRYTIGHE>

Mark et.al.,

Often I see the military reference to a machine and have no idea what it is 
in the civilian counterpart.  You might find parts more easily if you could 
relate that info.  Having been a Huey pilot for 18 years, I can tell you 
there were absolutely no TT's on those kind of ships  LOL....we did have 
AN/ARC's though :>) but they didn't type very much!!!

lar

> Looking for a selector magnet/assy for a TT-76C, it does not seem to be
> adjusting correctly and suspect the magnets have gotten week over time.
> Thanks for your help
>
> Mark Burgess
>
> W1ACP

From jangus at socal.rr.com  Mon Dec  8 17:52:58 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon Dec  8 17:58:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Sound proofing
Message-ID: <20081208.225258.296.1@STAY-85A77948LX>

You're costing me money again Randy...

I just ordered 4' f 1/2" sound proofing from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty
For the Lorenz cabinet. 

Almost all of the original foam was mising, and what was left was in that
powder that foam turns to when it dies.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

From KC0NNC at aol.com  Mon Dec  8 18:01:39 2008
From: KC0NNC at aol.com (KC0NNC@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  8 18:07:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for info on finding "Bell System Practices"
	archives of the originals
Message-ID: <c43.3f65c4af.366f0153@aol.com>

I have a friend looking for some info on the "correct way" to wire his QTH, 
etc.
 
There are probably enough retired AT&T or Bell system guys around watching 
this reflector that know where these exist on the web....
 
Any help would be appreciated....
thanks in advance

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

KC0NNC@aol.com


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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  8 18:27:26 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Mon Dec  8 18:33:13 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-76 Part needed
Message-ID: <380-220081218232726593@earthlink.net>


Larry,

I don't think that the TT-76 had a civilian/commericial version. It is a
typing reperforator with tape reader.  It was designed & manufactured by
Kleinschmidt Laboratories for the US Army c1957-1990 and was the major
component of the AN/GGC-3.  (Kleinschmidt tape readers did  not have a
"distributor" like the early Teletype Corp units, their tape readers were
more like the Teletype M28 tape readers.)

Edward Kleinschmidt was one of the founders of the Teletype Corp.
(Kleinschmidt Electric Co merged with the Morkrum Co. in 1924 to form the
Morkrum-Kleinschmidt Co, which later shortened its name to "Teletype
Corp.")  After WWII, the US Signal Corps realized the importance of TTY
communications, but wanted a smaller, lighter weight, unit than the
Teletype Corp. M15.  Edward Kleinschmidt came out of retirement, started
Kleinschmidt Labroratories, won the US Signal Corps bid and started
producing TTYs for the the US Army in 1954.

The Kleinschmidt tactical page printer was the TT-4 (AN/PGC-1)  and the
"fixed" station page printer was the TT-98 (AN/UGC-4; AN/FGC-25).  The
TT-98 did have a commercial version, the model 150.  The selector magnets
of the TT-76 and the TT-98 series are probably the same (but I'd have to
check the TMs to be sure.)

A little history lesson for you.

Have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/




> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Tighe <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <n1jzv@midmaine.com>; <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 08-Dec-08 17:26:06
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TT-76 Part needed
>
> Mark et.al.,
>
> Often I see the military reference to a machine and have no idea what it
is 
> in the civilian counterpart.  You might find parts more easily if you
could 
> relate that info.  Having been a Huey pilot for 18 years, I can tell you 
> there were absolutely no TT's on those kind of ships  LOL....we did have 
> AN/ARC's though :>) but they didn't type very much!!!
>
> lar
>
> > Looking for a selector magnet/assy for a TT-76C, it does not seem to be
> > adjusting correctly and suspect the magnets have gotten week over time.
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> > Mark Burgess
> >
> > W1ACP
>
> _______________________________________________
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From m0ycm at veenstras.com  Mon Dec  8 18:38:28 2008
From: m0ycm at veenstras.com (Lester Veenstra)
Date: Mon Dec  8 18:44:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for info on finding "Bell System
	Practices"archives of the originals
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References: <c43.3f65c4af.366f0153@aol.com>
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The "correct way" today will be to wile all with CAT-5 or better to a common
patch point.

 
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Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for info on finding "Bell System
Practices"archives of the originals

I have a friend looking for some info on the "correct way" to wire his QTH, 
etc.
 
There are probably enough retired AT&T or Bell system guys around watching 
this reflector that know where these exist on the web....
 
Any help would be appreciated....
thanks in advance

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  8 20:47:38 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon Dec  8 20:53:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
In-Reply-To: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
References: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812081940390.3166@localhost.localdomain>

At one time Teletype Corp. employed a tailor, whose job was to design the
fabric-covered felt pads used inside the cabinets.  I did some looking 
into felt a while back, as someone needed a felt pad to go under a 
machine.  You can get it from McMaster-Carr, but you have to be careful
what you ask for.  There are different grades, so for a given thickness
you get more or less fiber per square foot.  Also they were specified
in a funny way, seems like if you looked for "length" rather than for
"width" you got a better price.

Then I told the friend to try around some places that deal in horse
supplies, since they probably use felt for saddle blankets and other
purposes around horses, and might be more readily available.

Someone has mentioned the glass fiber stuff used in the bottom of
Model 28s for a while; and I'm glad someone has told us about
airplane sound insulation.  I've also seen 28s with felt in the
bottom of the cabinets.  And someone mentioned that plastic foam stuff
that Teletype used for a while, that crumbles to dust.  I remember
we had some similar stuff used for air filters on top of DEC computer
cabinets, with similar results.  I got replacements from an air filter
supply company.  Don't know if they held up better.

On one cabinet I'm trying some quilting batting from WalMart. Polyester.
I see they also have foam in the sewing section.




jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From Packard42 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 21:07:25 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Dec  8 21:13:28 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
In-Reply-To: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANAEKPINAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>
References: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANAEKPINAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>
Message-ID: <733A6AFF-EBED-4E5E-8E49-EB7BC06D5C17@gmail.com>

Pliobond... Neat stuff.

Strong as all get out and stays pliable.  I have been using it since  
the late 50s.
You can also get Pliobond on-line and in most larger Ace Hardward  
stores.
It works especially well to repair old fiber terminal strips and some  
very old circuit boards.

Thanks for reminding me of the aircraft padding.

73,
Don K9TTY


On 8 Dec 2008, at 10:59 AM, <boatanchor@martasystems.com> <boatanchor@martasystems.com 
 > wrote:

All -

I've successfully used a sound-dampening material for aircraft that is a
closed-cell, non-absorbant oil, solvent and fire-proof material. It's
available from Aircraft Spruce in various thicknesses, with or without
adhesive backing. Search their website www.aircraftspruce.com for part
number 09-42720 or go directly to the spec sheet at
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/supersoundproffsheet.php

I had some left over from my aircraft project, and completely relined  
the
interior case of a 28ASR using the non-adhesive version with Pliobond
adhesive glue (also from Aircraft Spruce). Works great.

john WB6AZP



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From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Dec  8 21:31:39 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Dec  8 21:37:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reinker outside package information...
Message-ID: <0FBFC725-1430-4FCF-86FC-77EB1ED124F7@dls.net>

	
My son has gone through many things in our basement.  I am having a  
hard time finding things.

I am looking for the description and Federal Stock Numbers for the re- 
inker kits.  At one time I had almost a hundred

of these little devices.  Now I cannot find any with the information  
printed on the package.

Does anyone out there still have the package with the information you  
could share with our list ?

I will keep looking,

Don
K9TTY
From wb5hak at martineer.net  Mon Dec  8 21:52:44 2008
From: wb5hak at martineer.net (Don Cunningham)
Date: Mon Dec  8 21:57:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reinker outside package information...
References: <0FBFC725-1430-4FCF-86FC-77EB1ED124F7@dls.net>
Message-ID: <C77634552CF64791BF8FF074085A73B4@SunroomComputer>

Don,
The package mine came in (Model #15 and #19) says 2Z 5727-381
You need any other info off the package??
73,
Don, WB5HAK
From gbuda at cyberwright.net  Mon Dec  8 21:59:05 2008
From: gbuda at cyberwright.net (Gary Buda)
Date: Mon Dec  8 22:05:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <20081208225858.AC58F859C23@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20081208225858.AC58F859C23@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <200812082059.06876.gbuda@cyberwright.net>

Sound deadening, don't do what I did.  I coated the inside of my 28KSRs with 
an adhesive backed foam which I bought from some surplus store in Minneapolis.   
Over the years the foam started to age and crumble.  It made a huge mess 
inside the machines.  It was not a pretty long-term solution but it did work 
well when the foam was new.   I no longer have any sound deadening material 
inside my machines and just enjoy the noise!
Gary WA0NDN
NNNN

On Monday 08 December 2008 04:58:58 pm greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net 
wrote:
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>    1. sound deadening (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
>    2. Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY (Roger Cooke)
>    3. Re: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
>       (Phil Sussman)
>    4. Re: sound deadening (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
>    5. RE: sound deadening (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
>    6. TT-76 Part needed (n1jzv@midmaine.com)
>    7. Looking for a ASR33 chad box (Alf Fisher)
>    8. the person who had the M28 tabletop unit,	I have a buyer for
>       it ... (John Hensley)
>    9. Model 28 has a home now (WB6BLV    (DM06))
>   10. Re: TT-76 Part needed (Larry Tighe)
>   11. Sound proofing (Jeffrey Angus)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:00:47 -0600 (CST)
> From: kh-phillips@9-5usa.org
> Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
> To: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in, for
> example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired some
> 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts for
> quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm beds.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:43:02 +0000
> From: Roger Cooke <g3ldi@g3ldi.co.uk>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> To: wa3frp@aol.com
> Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, rtty@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <493C1936.9050507@g3ldi.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I got rid of my model 19 set some years ago.  I would at that time have
> given my right arm for a 28ASR. That was the
> holy grail in the UK. I don't think anybody ever did get one.
>
>   No, you will have to put up with me on the "grey keys" now!  However,
> I can type lots more than 599 73!
>
> I was taught by the maestro - G3CQE - the first G on HF RTTY.
>
> 73 de Roger, G3LDI
>
> wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.??
> > I've copied the "Greenkeys" list in the hope that others on that?list are
> > also interested in participating in a Straight key night that would be
> > open to all, including those who are still capable of using "Heavy Metal"
> > RTTY.
> >
> > Thanks and 73
> > Russ WA3FRP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun,? 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0500
> > From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> > Subject: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
> > Cc: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
> > Message-ID: <1228653723.493bc49bc6f7f@webmail.pactor.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hello all..
> >
> > Chen sent me an email containing an idea that I believe has merit. <See
> > below>
> >
> > I am willing to work on this project.
> >
> > Does anyone have any hints about this? Are there potential conflicts?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > 73 de Phil - N8PS
> >
> > -------
> >
> > Quoting Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>:
> >> We need a "straight key night" for RTTY.? No macros, no exchanges,?
> >> just get on to type a hello or two -- perhaps you can organize one?
> >> like that to coincide with SKN?? The Swedish Happy New Year event?
> >> still requires you to send an exchange than chat free-hand.
> >>
> >> Vy 73
> >> Chen
> >
> > ?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RTTY mailing list
> > RTTY@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:
> > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 08:00:26 -0500
> From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
> To: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> Cc: wa3frp@aol.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, Roy Morgan
> 	<k1lky@earthlink.net>,	rtty@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <1228741226.493d1a6a37d39@webmail.pactor.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> If the primary focus is to promote QSOs on RTTY then I believe that the
> solution is simplicity itself.
>
> Get on the air, just to say howdy, or rag-chew, or QSO with whatever
> pleases you. If it's 850z shift -or- older mechanical machines -or- that
> old Commodore VIC-20 with a Hamsoft cartridge -or- whatever. Forget
> formality or format. Yep, remember those old RTTY pioneers and experience
> your own 'pioneering'.
>
> If you've wanted to play with RTTY for the first time or the thousandth
> time, here is an opportunity to have fun and gain some enjoyment. No
> pressure to compete -- no logging programs, robots, or multipliers. Those
> have their own time and place.
>
> Competing with "Straight key night" is competing ... While there may be
> 'room' there will also be conflict -- let's avoid that if possible. Feb. 20
> is significant, but Feb. 20, 2009 is a Friday. Perhaps some time on New
> Year's Day.
>
> Comments -- pro and con -- welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Phil - N8PS
>
> --------------
>
> Quoting Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>:
> > When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were doing
> > it on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF bands in the
> > U.S. There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and remember
> > the RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical
> > teleprinters if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz shift
> > if possible.
> >
> > The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
> > falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
> > privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for
> > operating was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at midnight.
> >
> > The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year will
> > be the 56th anniversary.
> >
> > Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of mechanical
> > TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
> > vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:
> > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > >> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in participating.
> > >
> > > How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  Run it
> > > the
> > >
> > > same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their normal spots on the
> > > band
> > >
> > > or bands would hopefully not offend the cw guys a lot.  We'd be
> > > unlikely to
> > >
> > > ovewhelm the bands so as to cause trouble.
> > >
> > > Roy
> > >
> > > Roy Morgan
> > > k1lky@earthlink.net
> > > 529 Cobb St.
> > > Groton NY, 13073
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GreenKeys mailing list
> > > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RTTY mailing list
> > RTTY@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:55:41 -0600
> From: Randy or Sherry Guttery <comcents@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
> To: kh-phillips@9-5usa.org,	"greenkeys@mailman.qth.net"
> 	<greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <493D437D.6070802@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> kh-phillips@9-5usa.org wrote:
> > Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in, for
> > example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired some
> > 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts for
> > quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> > deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm beds.
>
> I'm currently in contact with Owens-Corning, the original manufacturer
> of the "pads" in the bottom of (at least the early) 28s. So far - they
> have shuffled me to several different people whom were "supposed" to
> recommend a current product equivalent to the 1" fiberglass originally
> supplied.  I'll let everyone know when (*IF*) I get an answer... (been a
> couple of months already).
>
> The original pads supplied in the 28KSR was:
>
> Pad, silencing: fibre glass; appox. 14"lg X 11" h X 1" thick.  TTY P/N
> 151533   Owens-Corning P/N PF-316-1 lb density.
>
> I've just sent a "reminder - follow-up" email to Owens - hopefully it'll
> get some response.
>
> best regards...

From tomkleinschmidt at comcast.net  Mon Dec  8 22:40:01 2008
From: tomkleinschmidt at comcast.net (Tom Kleinschmidt)
Date: Mon Dec  8 22:46:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian
Message-ID: <002101c959af$d1d70b90$758522b0$@net>

Guys, Only a very small number of Kleinschmidt Machines were sold in the
Civilian world. The government owned most of the machinery and the
contractual requirements limited non-military sales. 

 

If my memory serves the TT-76 is a Kleinschmidt civilian  model 120. The
TT-98 / 100 et all are model 150 family - Saw one called a model 152 on the
same platform. Since it was based on a model 15 and ran at 100 WPM perhaps
150 was a testament to it's predecessor. The TT-4 is a model 100. 

 

Just my $0.02

 

Tom

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From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Dec  8 23:05:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reinker outside package information...
In-Reply-To: <381BF8310C2F440F96A20C2E6C8D8B74@SunroomComputer>
References: <0FBFC725-1430-4FCF-86FC-77EB1ED124F7@dls.net>
	<C77634552CF64791BF8FF074085A73B4@SunroomComputer>
	<4709CA0B-226C-4A28-92D2-7276A444150B@dls.net>
	<381BF8310C2F440F96A20C2E6C8D8B74@SunroomComputer>
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THANKS DON

YOU ARE MY HERO OF THE MONTH!!

WHATAGUY!!!

Don, K9TTY


On 8 Dec 2008, at 9:54 PM, Don Cunningham wrote:

Here it is, Don:

2Z5727-391
Modification Kit: For Teletype #15 and #19
1 EA.
Consisting of the following: NSNR:

1 EA. Case, Plastic
1 EA. Bracket SC-C-53089
1 EA Ribbon #165U
2 EA. Inkwell
1 EA. Ink, 2 oz. Plastic Bottle
24 EA. Pad, Felt
1 EA. Tool, Plastic
1 EA. Tool, Stainless Steel

23730-PH-56-43 (MWO)
Nanasi Company, Inc.
West New York, N.J.
Date Pkd. 10/56
Method IC-3



Hope that helps!
73,
Don, WB5HAK

From Til128 at aol.com  Tue Dec  9 08:57:41 2008
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  9 09:03:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reinker outside package information...
Message-ID: <ca0.4443043d.366fd355@aol.com>

Hi all:
And the other MK# is as  follows: (For Klienschmidt)

MK- 2Z5727383

FSN:  7510-292-9047

73,
DE: Tom Tillson
All Things  Electromechanical.
ITTY
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LL TTY
NNNN  

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From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Tue Dec  9 09:27:25 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Tue Dec  9 09:32:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11
References: <20081208225858.AC58F859C23@mailman.qth.net>
	<200812082059.06876.gbuda@cyberwright.net>
Message-ID: <003601c95a0a$4311e9b0$0201a8c0@system1>

Gary,

I knew I couldn't be alone in the world!   Like you, I haven't the faintest
idea why anyone would want to interfere with the sound of an operating
teletype machine!   I bet you don't have any credit card bills and don't
make any payments, either.

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Buda" <gbuda@cyberwright.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11


> Sound deadening, don't do what I did.  I coated the inside of my 28KSRs
with
> an adhesive backed foam which I bought from some surplus store in
Minneapolis.
> Over the years the foam started to age and crumble.  It made a huge mess
> inside the machines.  It was not a pretty long-term solution but it did
work
> well when the foam was new.   I no longer have any sound deadening
material
> inside my machines and just enjoy the noise!
> Gary WA0NDN
> NNNN
>
> On Monday 08 December 2008 04:58:58 pm greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net
> wrote:
> > Send GreenKeys mailing list submissions to
> > greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > greenkeys-owner@mailman.qth.net
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of GreenKeys digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. sound deadening (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
> >    2. Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY (Roger Cooke)
> >    3. Re: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
> >       (Phil Sussman)
> >    4. Re: sound deadening (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
> >    5. RE: sound deadening (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
> >    6. TT-76 Part needed (n1jzv@midmaine.com)
> >    7. Looking for a ASR33 chad box (Alf Fisher)
> >    8. the person who had the M28 tabletop unit, I have a buyer for
> >       it ... (John Hensley)
> >    9. Model 28 has a home now (WB6BLV    (DM06))
> >   10. Re: TT-76 Part needed (Larry Tighe)
> >   11. Sound proofing (Jeffrey Angus)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:00:47 -0600 (CST)
> > From: kh-phillips@9-5usa.org
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
> > To: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > Message-ID: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in, for
> > example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired
some
> > 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts for
> > quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> > deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm
beds.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:43:02 +0000
> > From: Roger Cooke <g3ldi@g3ldi.co.uk>
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > To: wa3frp@aol.com
> > Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, rtty@contesting.com
> > Message-ID: <493C1936.9050507@g3ldi.co.uk>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > I got rid of my model 19 set some years ago.  I would at that time have
> > given my right arm for a 28ASR. That was the
> > holy grail in the UK. I don't think anybody ever did get one.
> >
> >   No, you will have to put up with me on the "grey keys" now!  However,
> > I can type lots more than 599 73!
> >
> > I was taught by the maestro - G3CQE - the first G on HF RTTY.
> >
> > 73 de Roger, G3LDI
> >
> > wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > > Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in
participating.??
> > > I've copied the "Greenkeys" list in the hope that others on that?list
are
> > > also interested in participating in a Straight key night that would be
> > > open to all, including those who are still capable of using "Heavy
Metal"
> > > RTTY.
> > >
> > > Thanks and 73
> > > Russ WA3FRP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun,? 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0500
> > > From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> > > Subject: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > > To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
> > > Cc: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
> > > Message-ID: <1228653723.493bc49bc6f7f@webmail.pactor.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > Hello all..
> > >
> > > Chen sent me an email containing an idea that I believe has merit.
<See
> > > below>
> > >
> > > I am willing to work on this project.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any hints about this? Are there potential conflicts?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > 73 de Phil - N8PS
> > >
> > > -------
> > >
> > > Quoting Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>:
> > >> We need a "straight key night" for RTTY.? No macros, no exchanges,?
> > >> just get on to type a hello or two -- perhaps you can organize one?
> > >> like that to coincide with SKN?? The Swedish Happy New Year event?
> > >> still requires you to send an exchange than chat free-hand.
> > >>
> > >> Vy 73
> > >> Chen
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > RTTY mailing list
> > > RTTY@contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:
> > > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 08:00:26 -0500
> > From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> > Subject: Re: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > To: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: wa3frp@aol.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, Roy Morgan
> > <k1lky@earthlink.net>, rtty@contesting.com
> > Message-ID: <1228741226.493d1a6a37d39@webmail.pactor.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > If the primary focus is to promote QSOs on RTTY then I believe that the
> > solution is simplicity itself.
> >
> > Get on the air, just to say howdy, or rag-chew, or QSO with whatever
> > pleases you. If it's 850z shift -or- older mechanical machines -or- that
> > old Commodore VIC-20 with a Hamsoft cartridge -or- whatever. Forget
> > formality or format. Yep, remember those old RTTY pioneers and
experience
> > your own 'pioneering'.
> >
> > If you've wanted to play with RTTY for the first time or the thousandth
> > time, here is an opportunity to have fun and gain some enjoyment. No
> > pressure to compete -- no logging programs, robots, or multipliers.
Those
> > have their own time and place.
> >
> > Competing with "Straight key night" is competing ... While there may be
> > 'room' there will also be conflict -- let's avoid that if possible. Feb.
20
> > is significant, but Feb. 20, 2009 is a Friday. Perhaps some time on New
> > Year's Day.
> >
> > Comments -- pro and con -- welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > 73 de Phil - N8PS
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > Quoting Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>:
> > > When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were
doing
> > > it on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF bands in the
> > > U.S. There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and
remember
> > > the RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical
> > > teleprinters if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz
shift
> > > if possible.
> > >
> > > The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
> > > falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
> > > privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for
> > > operating was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at
midnight.
> > >
> > > The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year
will
> > > be the 56th anniversary.
> > >
> > > Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of
mechanical
> > > TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
> > > vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?
> > >
> > > On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:
> > > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > > >> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in
participating.
> > > >
> > > > How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  Run
it
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their normal spots on
the
> > > > band
> > > >
> > > > or bands would hopefully not offend the cw guys a lot.  We'd be
> > > > unlikely to
> > > >
> > > > ovewhelm the bands so as to cause trouble.
> > > >
> > > > Roy
> > > >
> > > > Roy Morgan
> > > > k1lky@earthlink.net
> > > > 529 Cobb St.
> > > > Groton NY, 13073
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > GreenKeys mailing list
> > > > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > RTTY mailing list
> > > RTTY@contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:55:41 -0600
> > From: Randy or Sherry Guttery <comcents@bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
> > To: kh-phillips@9-5usa.org, "greenkeys@mailman.qth.net"
> > <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> > Message-ID: <493D437D.6070802@bellsouth.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > kh-phillips@9-5usa.org wrote:
> > > Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in,
for
> > > example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired
some
> > > 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts
for
> > > quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> > > deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm
beds.
> >
> > I'm currently in contact with Owens-Corning, the original manufacturer
> > of the "pads" in the bottom of (at least the early) 28s. So far - they
> > have shuffled me to several different people whom were "supposed" to
> > recommend a current product equivalent to the 1" fiberglass originally
> > supplied.  I'll let everyone know when (*IF*) I get an answer... (been a
> > couple of months already).
> >
> > The original pads supplied in the 28KSR was:
> >
> > Pad, silencing: fibre glass; appox. 14"lg X 11" h X 1" thick.  TTY P/N
> > 151533   Owens-Corning P/N PF-316-1 lb density.
> >
> > I've just sent a "reminder - follow-up" email to Owens - hopefully it'll
> > get some response.
> >
> > best regards...
>
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From jydsk at tds.net  Tue Dec  9 09:30:26 2008
From: jydsk at tds.net (Steve Hilsz)
Date: Tue Dec  9 09:36:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
Message-ID: <00a501c95a0a$b02e7fe0$6ec78245@mycomputer>

Anybody have a need for a Burroughs reperf transmitter teletypewriter? It's 
Army type TT-75A/66C and most of it is there (the parts missing are a couple 
of knobs and a switch).

Steve Hilsz
jydsk@tds.net 

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Dec  9 11:30:59 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Dec  9 11:37:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19
Message-ID: <4B44E464B2014370A958DC0E8C5C7FF8@ljt>

It was nice to see the 19 get purchased on eBay....the 26 also.

I hope someone on greenkeys got 'em.  Nice looking machines...both of 'em.
Larry 
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com
From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 19:23:11 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue Dec  9 19:29:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
Message-ID: <380-220081231002311598@earthlink.net>

What does it look like???  How big (& heavy) is it?? Where is it??

The Antique Wireless Assoc Museum in Bloomfield, NY (near Rochester) is
always interested in old (& unique) equipment.

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Hilsz <jydsk@tds.net>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 09-Dec-08 09:36:27
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
>
> Anybody have a need for a Burroughs reperf transmitter teletypewriter?
It's 
> Army type TT-75A/66C and most of it is there (the parts missing are a
couple 
> of knobs and a switch).
>
> Steve Hilsz
> jydsk@tds.net 
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 19:35:51 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue Dec  9 19:41:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
Message-ID: <380-220081231003551590@earthlink.net>

Steve,

Did you mean "TT-76A" ????

  --Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Hilsz <jydsk@tds.net>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 09-Dec-08 09:36:27
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
>
> Anybody have a need for a Burroughs reperf transmitter teletypewriter?
It's 
> Army type TT-75A/66C and most of it is there (the parts missing are a
couple 
> of knobs and a switch).
>
> Steve Hilsz
> jydsk@tds.net 
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 19:49:02 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue Dec  9 19:54:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian
Message-ID: <380-22008123100492768@earthlink.net>

Tom, 

Thanks for your two cents (worth much more than that!)

There is a review of the Model 150 in the Western Union Technical Review of Apr. 1955, p. 77 http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/technical/western-union-tech-review/09-2/p077.htm

The article also mentions a Model 155 that was a stripped-down version of the M150.

Have Fun,

  --Duncan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tom Kleinschmidt 
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 08-Dec-08 22:40:06 
Subject: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian


Guys, Only a very small number of Kleinschmidt Machines were sold in the Civilian world. The government owned most of the machinery and the contractual requirements limited non-military sales. 
 
If my memory serves the TT-76 is a Kleinschmidt civilian  model 120. The TT-98 / 100 et all are model 150 family - Saw one called a model 152 on the same platform. Since it was based on a model 15 and ran at 100 WPM perhaps 150 was a testament to it’s predecessor. The TT-4 is a model 100. 
 
Just my $0.02
 
Tom
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From rn23crna at windstream.net  Tue Dec  9 20:30:59 2008
From: rn23crna at windstream.net (James Bloomfield)
Date: Tue Dec  9 20:36:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
Message-ID: <330618F1EB2A4CD382319933A9281D5F@userptk3f2vtkv>


	I would like to put I my $.02 - for what it's worth. 

	A long time ago I built an IMSI computer.  Ten plug in boards into
the Mother board. 	At .1 inch spacing.  At the end of the project the
small soldering iron had a 'V' notch in it.  

	At that time I had a pair of 'loops' that fit over my glasses.  With
extra light it worked well. 

	The setup I now have is.  Three paint cans, quart size cans.  These
have 1 1/2 inches of lead melted into the cans so they stay where they are
put.  One can has a 1/4 X20 bolt through the can and that holds the spool of
solder.  I can pull on the solder and the can does not move.  I don't have
to look at it.  Another can with lead in the bottom will hold a solder gun
if you place it butt end first.  I can lay the gun down and it wont tip or
move.  For the fine work I have a variable heat iron.  For big work I have a
propane powered very small flame torch.  The big torch - for copper pipes -
I use to start fires (HIHI) 

	I have one of those gimbaled vises.  Yep I filled the base with
lead, it does not move when I am pressing the item to be soldered with the
iron.  Almost everything gets put into the vise for soldering.  I can do a
much better job if I don't have to hold the item and it doesn't move.  

	There is a lighted magnifying glass mounted on a swivel arm.  It is
handy for the small stuff.  

	Where to get lead?  The tire stores have to pay to get rid of the
wheel weights.  When you buy a set of tires and bring a replacement bucket
they will give you the lead.  Next week I'll get more lead. 

	What do I do with the third can?  Usually I cannot find all three
cans.  That is why I have three hammers also. 

	A couple of weeks ago people were discussing the soldering setup for
multiwire cable so that is why I put my $0.02 .

	
	73
	KV4FE 
	JIM 
	Mayo Fl 
	On the Suwannee River

	 

From eugene at hertzmail.com  Tue Dec  9 21:44:44 2008
From: eugene at hertzmail.com (eugene@hertzmail.com)
Date: Tue Dec  9 21:50:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <330618F1EB2A4CD382319933A9281D5F@userptk3f2vtkv>
Message-ID: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A10041011DC@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>

If anyone is interested, I took some photos of the cables I made
recently. Photos were taken along the way. And some photos of the set up
I used.

First thing I did was to make pin out diagrams of the connectors, where
the keyways were, what color wire was chosen and the function. The pin
out diagrams are from the soldering-side of the connector only.

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/

there are tons of pictures, I haven't edited through them yet, but here
are some salient ones:

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0264.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0275.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0276.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0277.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0278.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0280.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0284.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0286.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0288.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0293.JPG


Some day I'll write a page up on my website with the details of how I
get some good results.


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bloomfield
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:31 PM
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 


	I would like to put I my $.02 - for what it's worth. 

lman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
From k1lky at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 21:59:06 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue Dec  9 22:05:56 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A10041011DC@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
References: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A10041011DC@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
Message-ID: <7AF22E07-08F9-4645-8F10-4157895ABAB3@earthlink.net>


On Dec 9, 2008, at 9:44 PM, <eugene@hertzmail.com>  
<eugene@hertzmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone is interested, I took some photos ...
> there are tons of pictures, I haven't edited through them yet, but  
> here
> are some salient ones:
>
> http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
> IMG_0264.JPG
>
> http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
> IMG_0275.JPG

Eugene's list of  photos arrived here line wrapped as you see above,  
and because the wrap occurred just at the end of the directory I got  
the directory listing for each URL he sent.  A way to avoid that for  
most not all mail reader programs is to enclose each long URL in  
brackets like this:

<http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0264.JPG>

<http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0275.JPG>

Try these to see if they work ok even if line wrapped along the way  
somewhere.

Roy


Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Tue Dec  9 22:13:17 2008
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Tue Dec  9 22:19:22 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian
Message-ID: <c290a4d30812091913n42a2b2dqf5e2f584bb437cfc@mail.gmail.com>

This is the URL for the review of the Teletype M28, which was briefly
mentioned in the review of the Model 150.

http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/technical/western-union-tech-review/09-3/p110.htm

All I can say is, this copy is as dry as it gets... :-)

>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
> To: "Tom Kleinschmidt" <tomkleinschmidt@comcast.net>, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:49:02 -0500
> Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian
> Tom,
>
> Thanks for your two cents (worth much more than that!)
>
> There is a review of the Model 150 in the Western Union Technical Review of Apr. 1955, p. 77 http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/technical/western-union-tech-review/09-2/p077.htm
>
> The article also mentions a Model 155 that was a stripped-down version of the M150.
>
> Have Fun,
>
>   --Duncan
>
From k1lky at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 22:17:48 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue Dec  9 22:25:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <7AF22E07-08F9-4645-8F10-4157895ABAB3@earthlink.net>
References: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A10041011DC@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
	<7AF22E07-08F9-4645-8F10-4157895ABAB3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <32FDB558-1C65-4843-AF0B-7ACFCCB44BB0@earthlink.net>

OOPS!  I forgot to UN-wrap those URL's.. Try these.

>
> ... A way to avoid that for most not all mail reader programs is to  
> enclose each long URL in brackets like this:
>
> <http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/IMG_0264.JPG 
> >
>
> <http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/IMG_0275.JPG 
> >
>
> Try these to see if they work ok even if line wrapped along the way  
> somewhere.


Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 23:22:41 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec  9 23:28:58 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <330618F1EB2A4CD382319933A9281D5F@userptk3f2vtkv>
References: <330618F1EB2A4CD382319933A9281D5F@userptk3f2vtkv>
Message-ID: <B4638BD9-FDE1-4A8F-9F80-A296CEC1D4FE@gmail.com>

JIM,

I really appreciate your input.  I have 108 solder connections to make  
up the cables for my AN/URC-35B
Very kind of you to share your experience.

Don
K9TTY
Ringwood, IL
Home of ICE, SNOW, HAIL, Low temps and HEAVY WINDS in Winter
Home of HEAVY RAINS, High temps and Tornadoes in Spring Summer and Fall


On 9 Dec 2008, at 7:30 PM, James Bloomfield wrote:


	I would like to put I my $.02 - for what it's worth.

	A long time ago I built an IMSI computer.  Ten plug in boards into
the Mother board. 	At .1 inch spacing.  At the end of the project the
small soldering iron had a 'V' notch in it.

	At that time I had a pair of 'loops' that fit over my glasses.  With
extra light it worked well.

	The setup I now have is.  Three paint cans, quart size cans.  These
have 1 1/2 inches of lead melted into the cans so they stay where they  
are
put.  One can has a 1/4 X20 bolt through the can and that holds the  
spool of
solder.  I can pull on the solder and the can does not move.  I don't  
have
to look at it.  Another can with lead in the bottom will hold a solder  
gun
if you place it butt end first.  I can lay the gun down and it wont  
tip or
move.  For the fine work I have a variable heat iron.  For big work I  
have a
propane powered very small flame torch.  The big torch - for copper  
pipes -
I use to start fires (HIHI)

	I have one of those gimbaled vises.  Yep I filled the base with
lead, it does not move when I am pressing the item to be soldered with  
the
iron.  Almost everything gets put into the vise for soldering.  I can  
do a
much better job if I don't have to hold the item and it doesn't move.

	There is a lighted magnifying glass mounted on a swivel arm.  It is
handy for the small stuff.

	Where to get lead?  The tire stores have to pay to get rid of the
wheel weights.  When you buy a set of tires and bring a replacement  
bucket
they will give you the lead.  Next week I'll get more lead.

	What do I do with the third can?  Usually I cannot find all three
cans.  That is why I have three hammers also.

	A couple of weeks ago people were discussing the soldering setup for
multiwire cable so that is why I put my $0.02 .

	
	73
	KV4FE
	JIM
	Mayo Fl
	On the Suwannee River

	

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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 23:28:15 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec  9 23:34:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A10041011DC@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
References: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A10041011DC@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
Message-ID: <158EE680-5C62-4951-AAB0-81E9A94DC5E9@gmail.com>

HEY THERE EUGENE,

YOU WANT TO COME OVER HERE AND MAKE MY CABLES ;-)

YOU ARE NICE AND YOUNG AND TALENTED.

OLD DON
TRACER OF OPEN CIRCUITS AND LOST CAUSES


On 9 Dec 2008, at 8:44 PM, <eugene@hertzmail.com> wrote:

If anyone is interested, I took some photos of the cables I made
recently. Photos were taken along the way. And some photos of the set up
I used.

First thing I did was to make pin out diagrams of the connectors, where
the keyways were, what color wire was chosen and the function. The pin
out diagrams are from the soldering-side of the connector only.

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/

there are tons of pictures, I haven't edited through them yet, but here
are some salient ones:

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0264.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0275.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0276.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0277.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0278.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0280.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0284.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0286.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0288.JPG

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/RF-1310/Interface%20Cables/RF-110A%20J7/
IMG_0293.JPG


Some day I'll write a page up on my website with the details of how I
get some good results.


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bloomfield
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:31 PM
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff


	I would like to put I my $.02 - for what it's worth.

lman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
_______________________________________________
GreenKeys mailing list
GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

From jamie2 at hughes.net  Tue Dec  9 23:36:13 2008
From: jamie2 at hughes.net (jamie2)
Date: Tue Dec  9 23:42:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <20081210005501.9EF77859C08@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20081210005501.9EF77859C08@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D8A27C3BAF6748199141803176153856@Jamie2PC>

Old email jamie2@hughes.net        new email jamie2@amerion.com thank you

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   2. Re: Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11 (Lee Mushel)
   3. Burroughs Parts Machine (Steve Hilsz)
   4. Model 19 (Larry Tighe)
   5. RE: Burroughs Parts Machine (Duncan M. Brown)
   6. RE: Burroughs Parts Machine (Duncan M. Brown)
   7. RE: tt-76 civilian (Duncan M. Brown)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:57:41 EST
From: Til128@aol.com
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reinker outside package information...
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi all:
And the other MK# is as  follows: (For Klienschmidt)

MK- 2Z5727383

FSN:  7510-292-9047

73,
DE: Tom Tillson
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:27:25 -0600
From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11
To: "Gary Buda" <gbuda@cyberwright.net>, <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <003601c95a0a$4311e9b0$0201a8c0@system1>
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Gary,

I knew I couldn't be alone in the world!   Like you, I haven't the faintest
idea why anyone would want to interfere with the sound of an operating
teletype machine!   I bet you don't have any credit card bills and don't
make any payments, either.

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Buda" <gbuda@cyberwright.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11


> Sound deadening, don't do what I did.  I coated the inside of my 28KSRs
with
> an adhesive backed foam which I bought from some surplus store in
Minneapolis.
> Over the years the foam started to age and crumble.  It made a huge mess
> inside the machines.  It was not a pretty long-term solution but it did
work
> well when the foam was new.   I no longer have any sound deadening
material
> inside my machines and just enjoy the noise!
> Gary WA0NDN
> NNNN
>
> On Monday 08 December 2008 04:58:58 pm greenkeys-request@mailman.qth.net
> wrote:
> > Send GreenKeys mailing list submissions to
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> >
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> > greenkeys-owner@mailman.qth.net
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of GreenKeys digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. sound deadening (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
> >    2. Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY (Roger Cooke)
> >    3. Re: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
> >       (Phil Sussman)
> >    4. Re: sound deadening (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
> >    5. RE: sound deadening (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
> >    6. TT-76 Part needed (n1jzv@midmaine.com)
> >    7. Looking for a ASR33 chad box (Alf Fisher)
> >    8. the person who had the M28 tabletop unit, I have a buyer for
> >       it ... (John Hensley)
> >    9. Model 28 has a home now (WB6BLV    (DM06))
> >   10. Re: TT-76 Part needed (Larry Tighe)
> >   11. Sound proofing (Jeffrey Angus)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:00:47 -0600 (CST)
> > From: kh-phillips@9-5usa.org
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
> > To: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > Message-ID: <5268.67.142.130.37.1228741247.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in, for
> > example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired
some
> > 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts for
> > quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> > deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm
beds.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:43:02 +0000
> > From: Roger Cooke <g3ldi@g3ldi.co.uk>
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > To: wa3frp@aol.com
> > Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, rtty@contesting.com
> > Message-ID: <493C1936.9050507@g3ldi.co.uk>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > I got rid of my model 19 set some years ago.  I would at that time have
> > given my right arm for a 28ASR. That was the
> > holy grail in the UK. I don't think anybody ever did get one.
> >
> >   No, you will have to put up with me on the "grey keys" now!  However,
> > I can type lots more than 599 73!
> >
> > I was taught by the maestro - G3CQE - the first G on HF RTTY.
> >
> > 73 de Roger, G3LDI
> >
> > wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > > Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in
participating.??
> > > I've copied the "Greenkeys" list in the hope that others on that?list
are
> > > also interested in participating in a Straight key night that would be
> > > open to all, including those who are still capable of using "Heavy
Metal"
> > > RTTY.
> > >
> > > Thanks and 73
> > > Russ WA3FRP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun,? 7 Dec 2008 07:42:03 -0500
> > > From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> > > Subject: [RTTY] "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > > To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
> > > Cc: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
> > > Message-ID: <1228653723.493bc49bc6f7f@webmail.pactor.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > Hello all..
> > >
> > > Chen sent me an email containing an idea that I believe has merit.
<See
> > > below>
> > >
> > > I am willing to work on this project.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any hints about this? Are there potential conflicts?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > 73 de Phil - N8PS
> > >
> > > -------
> > >
> > > Quoting Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>:
> > >> We need a "straight key night" for RTTY.? No macros, no exchanges,?
> > >> just get on to type a hello or two -- perhaps you can organize one?
> > >> like that to coincide with SKN?? The Swedish Happy New Year event?
> > >> still requires you to send an exchange than chat free-hand.
> > >>
> > >> Vy 73
> > >> Chen
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > RTTY mailing list
> > > RTTY@contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date:
> > > 12/6/2008 4:55 PM
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon,  8 Dec 2008 08:00:26 -0500
> > From: Phil Sussman <psussman@pactor.com>
> > Subject: Re: [RTTY] [GreenKeys] RE: "Straight key night" for RTTY
> > To: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: wa3frp@aol.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, Roy Morgan
> > <k1lky@earthlink.net>, rtty@contesting.com
> > Message-ID: <1228741226.493d1a6a37d39@webmail.pactor.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > If the primary focus is to promote QSOs on RTTY then I believe that the
> > solution is simplicity itself.
> >
> > Get on the air, just to say howdy, or rag-chew, or QSO with whatever
> > pleases you. If it's 850z shift -or- older mechanical machines -or- that
> > old Commodore VIC-20 with a Hamsoft cartridge -or- whatever. Forget
> > formality or format. Yep, remember those old RTTY pioneers and
experience
> > your own 'pioneering'.
> >
> > If you've wanted to play with RTTY for the first time or the thousandth
> > time, here is an opportunity to have fun and gain some enjoyment. No
> > pressure to compete -- no logging programs, robots, or multipliers.
Those
> > have their own time and place.
> >
> > Competing with "Straight key night" is competing ... While there may be
> > 'room' there will also be conflict -- let's avoid that if possible. Feb.
20
> > is significant, but Feb. 20, 2009 is a Friday. Perhaps some time on New
> > Year's Day.
> >
> > Comments -- pro and con -- welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > 73 de Phil - N8PS
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > Quoting Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>:
> > > When we were doing this [Green Key Night] some years back we were
doing
> > > it on Feb 20, the anniversary of legalizing FSK on the HF bands in the
> > > U.S. There were no rules, just get on the air and have fun and
remember
> > > the RTTY pioneers, but participants were urged to use mechanical
> > > teleprinters if possible, vacuum tube gear if possible, and 850 Hz
shift
> > > if possible.
> > >
> > > The event never turned out to be very popular, probably because Feb 20
> > > falls on a week night most years.  And the original grant of FSK
> > > privileges started at midnight local time, so the prime time for
> > > operating was the following night, still  Feb. 20 but ending at
midnight.
> > >
> > > The original date for FSK operation was Feb 20, 1953, so next year
will
> > > be the 56th anniversary.
> > >
> > > Another thought would be a QSO party or contest where use of
mechanical
> > > TTY gear is required, or gets extra points.  Would you want to require
> > > vacuum tube gear?  850 Hz shift?
> > >
> > > On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Roy Morgan wrote:
> > > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 PM, wa3frp@aol.com wrote:
> > > >> Yes - this is a great idea and I am very interested in
participating.
> > > >
> > > > How about having a side event to the normal Straight Key Night?  Run
it
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > same times as the SK night.  RTTY signals in their normal spots on
the
> > > > band
> > > >
> > > > or bands would hopefully not offend the cw guys a lot.  We'd be
> > > > unlikely to
> > > >
> > > > ovewhelm the bands so as to cause trouble.
> > > >
> > > > Roy
> > > >
> > > > Roy Morgan
> > > > k1lky@earthlink.net
> > > > 529 Cobb St.
> > > > Groton NY, 13073
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > GreenKeys mailing list
> > > > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > RTTY mailing list
> > > RTTY@contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:55:41 -0600
> > From: Randy or Sherry Guttery <comcents@bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] sound deadening
> > To: kh-phillips@9-5usa.org, "greenkeys@mailman.qth.net"
> > <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> > Message-ID: <493D437D.6070802@bellsouth.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > kh-phillips@9-5usa.org wrote:
> > > Is there a current source for the sound deadening material used in,
for
> > > example, a 28ASR . . . or some good substitute?  I recently acquired
some
> > > 28s (RO, KSR, ASR) which seem to have been serving as rodent resorts
for
> > > quite some time so if the sound deadening material had not already
> > > deteriorated it had been providing generations of rodents with warm
beds.
> >
> > I'm currently in contact with Owens-Corning, the original manufacturer
> > of the "pads" in the bottom of (at least the early) 28s. So far - they
> > have shuffled me to several different people whom were "supposed" to
> > recommend a current product equivalent to the 1" fiberglass originally
> > supplied.  I'll let everyone know when (*IF*) I get an answer... (been a
> > couple of months already).
> >
> > The original pads supplied in the 28KSR was:
> >
> > Pad, silencing: fibre glass; appox. 14"lg X 11" h X 1" thick.  TTY P/N
> > 151533   Owens-Corning P/N PF-316-1 lb density.
> >
> > I've just sent a "reminder - follow-up" email to Owens - hopefully it'll
> > get some response.
> >
> > best regards...
>
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>




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:30:26 -0700
From: "Steve Hilsz" <jydsk@tds.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <00a501c95a0a$b02e7fe0$6ec78245@mycomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Anybody have a need for a Burroughs reperf transmitter teletypewriter? It's 
Army type TT-75A/66C and most of it is there (the parts missing are a couple

of knobs and a switch).

Steve Hilsz
jydsk@tds.net 



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:30:59 -0500
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4B44E464B2014370A958DC0E8C5C7FF8@ljt>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

It was nice to see the 19 get purchased on eBay....the 26 also.

I hope someone on greenkeys got 'em.  Nice looking machines...both of 'em.
Larry 
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:23:11 -0500
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
To: "Steve Hilsz" <jydsk@tds.net>, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <380-220081231002311598@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

What does it look like???  How big (& heavy) is it?? Where is it??

The Antique Wireless Assoc Museum in Bloomfield, NY (near Rochester) is
always interested in old (& unique) equipment.

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Hilsz <jydsk@tds.net>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 09-Dec-08 09:36:27
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
>
> Anybody have a need for a Burroughs reperf transmitter teletypewriter?
It's 
> Army type TT-75A/66C and most of it is there (the parts missing are a
couple 
> of knobs and a switch).
>
> Steve Hilsz
> jydsk@tds.net 
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:35:51 -0500
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
To: "Steve Hilsz" <jydsk@tds.net>, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <380-220081231003551590@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Steve,

Did you mean "TT-76A" ????

  --Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Hilsz <jydsk@tds.net>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 09-Dec-08 09:36:27
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Burroughs Parts Machine
>
> Anybody have a need for a Burroughs reperf transmitter teletypewriter?
It's 
> Army type TT-75A/66C and most of it is there (the parts missing are a
couple 
> of knobs and a switch).
>
> Steve Hilsz
> jydsk@tds.net 
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:49:02 -0500
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian
To: "Tom Kleinschmidt" <tomkleinschmidt@comcast.net>,
	greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <380-22008123100492768@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Tom, 

Thanks for your two cents (worth much more than that!)

There is a review of the Model 150 in the Western Union Technical Review of
Apr. 1955, p. 77
http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/technical/western-union-
tech-review/09-2/p077.htm

The article also mentions a Model 155 that was a stripped-down version of
the M150.

Have Fun,

  --Duncan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tom Kleinschmidt 
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 08-Dec-08 22:40:06 
Subject: [GreenKeys] tt-76 civilian


Guys, Only a very small number of Kleinschmidt Machines were sold in the
Civilian world. The government owned most of the machinery and the
contractual requirements limited non-military sales. 
 
If my memory serves the TT-76 is a Kleinschmidt civilian  model 120. The
TT-98 / 100 et all are model 150 family - Saw one called a model 152 on the
same platform. Since it was based on a model 15 and ran at 100 WPM perhaps
150 was a testament to its predecessor. The TT-4 is a model 100. 
 
Just my $0.02
 
Tom
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 10 10:33:31 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Wed Dec 10 10:39:27 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-76 Part needed
Message-ID: <380-2200812310153331225@earthlink.net>

Mark,

Is the DC bias correct for the selector mechanism and for the loop
current??  As I remember, there are separate connectors and/or switches for
the selector loop coil and the bias coil, so it was possible to have the
selector mechanism set for a loop current of 60ma and the bias set for a 20
ma loop (or vice versa).

Just another thing to check.

Have fun & good luck,

  Duncan, K2OEQ
  31J USASA




> [Original Message]
> From: <n1jzv@midmaine.com>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 08-Dec-08 12:29:00
> Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-76 Part needed
>
> Looking for a selector magnet/assy for a TT-76C, it does not seem to be
> adjusting correctly and suspect the magnets have gotten week over time. 
> Thanks for your help
>
> Mark Burgess
>
> W1ACP
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 10 21:08:30 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed Dec 10 21:14:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Green Key Night
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812102001080.3837@localhost.localdomain>

It's interesting that Feb 2009 is similar to Feb 1953, in that Feb 20
is on Friday.  I guess that's not a good time for an operating event,
since it would start at midnight on Thursday night and run all day
Friday.  No doubt FCC didn't care whether it was a good night when
they set the date.

If you want to re-create the original excitement, note that FSK
became legal at midnight local time on 20 Feb 1953 - so the East
Coast got first crack at it, and the time zones to the west could
only listen until their time came around.  By the time W6 got on the
air it was 3AM on the East Coast; and of course the W2s who could
stayed up to make their first W6 RTTY QSOs.

Jim W6JVE



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

From Packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 00:24:46 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu Dec 11 00:30:59 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Green Key Night
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812102001080.3837@localhost.localdomain>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812102001080.3837@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1A031E71-BAD1-4D00-95E7-BC6AC2AB4007@gmail.com>

James,

You have become a history professor!!!

Thanks,
Don K9TTY


On 10 Dec 2008, at 8:08 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

It's interesting that Feb 2009 is similar to Feb 1953, in that Feb 20
is on Friday.  I guess that's not a good time for an operating event,
since it would start at midnight on Thursday night and run all day
Friday.  No doubt FCC didn't care whether it was a good night when
they set the date.

If you want to re-create the original excitement, note that FSK
became legal at midnight local time on 20 Feb 1953 - so the East
Coast got first crack at it, and the time zones to the west could
only listen until their time came around.  By the time W6 got on the
air it was 3AM on the East Coast; and of course the W2s who could
stayed up to make their first W6 RTTY QSOs.

Jim W6JVE



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

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From Til128 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 06:42:29 2008
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 11 06:48:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <d33.4646e1b1.367256a5@aol.com>

Is anyone else having a problem sending or  receiving ITTY?

73,
DE: Tom Tillson
All Things  Electromechanical.
ITTY
GREENKEYS
HEAVYMETAL
LL TTY
NNNN  

**************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and 
favorite sites in one place.  Try it now. 
(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
From wb0cte at netscape.net  Thu Dec 11 10:34:22 2008
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte@netscape.net)
Date: Thu Dec 11 10:41:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
In-Reply-To: <d33.4646e1b1.367256a5@aol.com>
References: <d33.4646e1b1.367256a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB29BD137CF4CC-15C8-C29@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com>

As of this morning it is working fine for me, I am on it right at the moment.


Wayne? wb0cte










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Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 5:42 am

Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY





Is anyone else having a problem sending or  receiving ITTY?    73,  DE: Tom Tillson  All Things  Electromechanical.  ITTY  GREENKEYS  HEAVYMETAL  LL TTY  NNNN      **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and   favorite sites in one place.  Try it now.   (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)  _______________________________________________  GreenKeys mailing list  GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net  http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys  

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From eugene at hertzmail.com  Thu Dec 11 22:42:43 2008
From: eugene at hertzmail.com (eugene@hertzmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 11 22:48:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <158EE680-5C62-4951-AAB0-81E9A94DC5E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1004101762@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>


Don, Gregory and Jim, thanks for the kinds words. I realized that the
word wrap messed up the urls, so I copied the best images to another,
shorter folder.

If anyone missed them the first time here they are. Thanks for the
bandwidth

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/1310-cables/



-----Original Message-----
From: Don Robert House [mailto:Packard42@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:28 PM
To: eugene@hertzmail.com
Cc: James Bloomfield; greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 

HEY THERE EUGENE,

YOU WANT TO COME OVER HERE AND MAKE MY CABLES ;-)

YOU ARE NICE AND YOUNG AND TALENTED.

OLD DON
TRACER OF OPEN CIRCUITS AND LOST CAUSES


On 9 Dec 2008, at 8:44 PM, <eugene@hertzmail.com> wrote:

From sschlink at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 11 23:38:33 2008
From: sschlink at mindspring.com (Steve Schlink)
Date: Thu Dec 11 23:45:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looong URLs
In-Reply-To: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1004101762@mse12be2.mse12.ex
	change.ms>
References: <158EE680-5C62-4951-AAB0-81E9A94DC5E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081211223213.00bc1ed8@pop.mindspring.com>

And the easiest way to eliminate long URLs is:

http://tinyurl.com/

I have "favorite", icon, that I can click on that sends the current web 
page to Tinyurl and returns the shortened version - works great.

For example, this string sent to tinyurl

http://tinyurl.com/create.php?url=http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/inkjet/13538

returns this:

http://tinyurl.com/5lusut

Just insert the long URL after the "url="

Steve

At 10:42 PM 12/11/2008 -0500, eugene@hertzmail.com wrote:
>Don, Gregory and Jim, thanks for the kinds words. I realized that the
>word wrap messed up the urls, so I copied the best images to another,
>shorter folder.

From Packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 23:58:24 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec 12 00:04:45 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Soldering & stuff 
In-Reply-To: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1004101762@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
References: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1004101762@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
Message-ID: <CAD24A49-2758-419F-89B1-73DCADF9FDE2@gmail.com>

Wow Gene,

I really like your work.  I will take photos of my work as I go  
through, but I doubt it will be as neat and clean as yours.

THANKS MUCH!!!

Don
K9TTY


On 11 Dec 2008, at 9:42 PM, <eugene@hertzmail.com> wrote:

Don, Gregory and Jim, thanks for the kinds words. I realized that the
word wrap messed up the urls, so I copied the best images to another,
shorter folder.

If anyone missed them the first time here they are. Thanks for the
bandwidth

http://www.hertzmail.com/urt-23/1310-cables/


From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Fri Dec 12 17:24:18 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Fri Dec 12 17:30:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paul's RTTY supply
Message-ID: <1FC8C06C41B04116872C22708EDA3271@LARRYTIGHE>

I got my order from Paul just as the ink dried on the check I was sending 
him.
Could not be more pleased.  He's a good guy to deal with.

Larry
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Fri Dec 12 18:32:12 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Fri Dec 12 18:38:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fw: keytops
Message-ID: <C770204C0E8D41BC92347BF76ACE82B9@LARRYTIGHE>

Here he is!

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul 
To: larry Tighe 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 00:41
Subject: keytops


Hi Larry
I have you keytops ready the total cost is $27.90 plus 2.87 shipping = $30.77
please remit to
RTTY Electronics
PO Box 20101
El Sobrante, Ca 94820
Thanks for your order Paul
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From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec 12 20:29:53 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
Message-ID: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>


==> CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS RELEASE REPORT
LAMBASTING FCC CHAIRMAN KEVIN MARTIN

On Tuesday, December 9, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce --
the congressional committee that oversees the Federal Communications
Commission -- released its majority staff report "on the bipartisan
investigation of the FCC's regulatory processes and management
practices." The report -- "Deception and Distrust: The Federal
Communications Commission under Chairman Kevin J. Martin" -- stated that
the investigation was prompted "by allegations to the effect that [FCC]
Chairman Kevin J. Martin has abused FCC procedures by manipulating or
suppressing reports, data and information"

<http://www.arrl.org/news/files/FCC_Report120908.pdf>.

"Our investigation confirmed a number of troubling allegations raised by
individuals in and outside the FCC," said Representative Bart Stupak
(D-MI), Chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.
"The Committee staff report details some of the most egregious abuses of
power, suppression of information and manipulation of data under
Chairman Martin's leadership. It is my hope that this report will serve
as a roadmap for a fair, open and efficient FCC under new leadership in
the next administration."

Representative John D. Dingell (D-MI), Chairman of the Committee on
Energy and Commerce echoed Stupak's concerns: "Any of these findings,
individually, are cause for concern. Together, the findings suggest
that, in recent years, the FCC has operated in a dysfunctional manner
and Commission business has suffered as a result. It is my hope that the
new FCC Chairman will find this report instructive and that it will
prove useful in helping the Commission avoid making the same mistakes."

The report said that "in an investigation of this nature," the Committee
would usually hold hearings "to receive testimony from witnesses and to
further examine the issues." But due to what the Committee called "the
climate of fear that currently pervades the FCC," the report said the
Committee found that key witnesses "were unwilling to testify or even
have their names become known." For that reason, they issued a report in
place of a hearing "to protect the many honest people who came forward
under a promise of protection or anonymity." Chairman Martin was invited
to meet with the Committee to discuss matters addressed by the
investigation, but the report said he "ignored [the Committee's]
invitation," as did his Chief of Staff Daniel Gonzalez and Chief of
Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau Derek Poarch.

In its 110-page report, the Committee described 12 allegations, ranging
from retaliation against FCC employees who differed with the Chairman's
policies to enhanced 911 wireless services to broadband over power lines
(BPL). To go along with the 12 allegations, 22 exhibits were attached to
the report, such as internal e-mails, e-mails from FCC commissioners to
their staff, statements made by FCC commissioners and letters to and
from commissioners (including Chairman Martin). Not all 12 allegations
were substantiated by the Committee.

* Broadband over Power Lines

Concerning BPL, the report alleges that FCC officials "ignored
complaints of radio frequency interference caused by BPL high-speed
Internet technology, delayed an enforcement investigation for two years
and improperly withheld engineering data regarding BPL from the public."

The report found that in October 2004, as then-Chairman Michael Powell
issued his final rule "defining BPL access and setting technical and
administrative requirements to protect licensed radio operators from
harmful interference," the FCC "withheld from the public certain
engineering reports on which it relied in promulgating the rule" from
the final rule and order.

Even though the BPL rules were adopted during Powell's tenure, the
report found that "it was under Chairman Martin that the Enforcement
Bureau and the General Counsel continued to withhold the redacted
engineering reports and insisted on doing so in the course of the
ensuing litigation [with the ARRL]"
<http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/>.

The report goes on to say that on April 25, 2008, the US Court of
Appeals for the DC Circuit found that the FCC, in the case filed by the
ARRL, "violated the Administrative Procedure Act when it played 'hide
and seek' with engineering data used in its support of the order and
'cherry-picked' a study on which it had relied"
<http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/opinions/200804/06-1343-1112979.p
df>.

"The fact that the FCC withheld the required engineering reports in this
matter," the report concluded, "indicates poor judgment and an attempt
to hide critical weaknesses in its decision. Ironically, the FCC's
attempts to hide this information only served to provoke suspicion and
its handmaiden, litigation. This case [filed by the ARRL] illustrates
the extent to which a culture of secrecy has developed at the FCC that
is as counterproductive as it is unnecessary." The report states that
this "particular situation" has been corrected by the courts and
technological issues arising from BPL have been "rendered largely moot
over time due to improvements" in BPL technology.

"It is distressing, but unfortunately not surprising," said ARRL Chief
Executive Officer David Sumner, K1ZZ, "to read that the FCC's
mishandling of the BPL issue was simply a part of a broad pattern of
dysfunction at the Commission. This is a relatively recent development
and is unprecedented in the ARRL's long experience with the FCC -- an
association that dates back to the very creation of the agency, 20 years
after the founding of the ARRL. While the marketplace failure of BPL and
the steps taken voluntarily by the few companies that have deployed BPL
systems have combined to minimize interference, the regulatory issue is
by no means moot. The rules remain inadequate."

Sumner continued: "More than seven months after the Court remand, the
FCC has done nothing to correct its errors, nor has it complied with the
very specific instructions from the United States Court of Appeals.
These instructions included the disclosure of the studies that it
intentionally withheld from the public, but upon which it relied in
adopting its rules. Indeed, the only step the Commission has taken since
the Court's remand order is to mount an unsuccessful effort to oppose
our claim for reimbursement of the printing costs for the briefs in the
case -- a small fraction of the expenses incurred by the ARRL in our
appeal -- expenses that would not have been necessary had the Commission
followed the law in the first place" <http://www.arrl.org/?artid=8338>.

* Other Findings by the Committee

The report also showed instances of where Chairman Martin "manipulated,
withheld or suppressed data, reports and information," and said Martin's
"manipulation [of another report] may have damaged the credibility of
the Commission, and certainly undermined the integrity of the staff.
Moreover, it was done with the purpose of affecting the congressional
decision-making, in that it was issued as a report to Congress."

Saying that FCC matters have not been handled in an "open or transparent
manner," the report said the FCC "rais[ed] suspicions both inside and
outside the Commission that some parties and issues are not being
treated fairly." The report stated that the Committee's impressions were
"confirmed" when it discovered that Chairman Martin made a "preemptory
reversal" of [a report's] conclusions and that Martin did not seek
"further public comment or conduct further studies" thus giving the
impression "that the issue was not handled fairly or openly."

The report also found that Chairman Martin's "heavy-handed, opaque and
non-collegial management style has created distrust, suspicion and
turmoil among the five current Commissioners." The report states that
Martin does not afford his fellow Commissioners "direct and unfettered
access to the Commission staff and their expert advice, thereby
hindering the ability of other Commissioners to carry out the duties of
their offices and the work of the Commission."

The report also found that Commission staff have not been "effectively
managed." When Martin first became Chairman, he "imposed a major
reshuffling of FCC staff throughout the agency." While the report said
that a "certain amount of reorganization is not unprecedented" when a
new Chairman begins his term, the reorganization "was highly unusual in
both its breadth (nearly every senior position at the agency changed
hands) and its depth (even a number on non-management line staffers
found themselves inexplicably reassigned)." Calling it a "waste of
resources, the report pointed out that senior employees with "extensive
experience and expertise" were reassigned to junior-level positions; as
a result, "it appears that some important Commission proceedings were
delayed."

* Committee Methodology

Over the course of its investigation, the Committee staff reviewed
"several hundred thousand documents, including 95 boxes of paper
documents; conducted 73 interviews of current and former FCC employees
and individuals associated with the telecommunications industry;
solicited and received e-mails from FCC employees and contractors at a
secure e-mail address established for this purpose, and reviewed dozens
of allegations." The report pointed out that since the investigation,
Chairman Martin has taken "some small steps" to address some of the
problems outlined in the report.

The Committee also emphasized that not everything they found is included
in its report: "A few allegations were received so recently that they
have not been investigated and are not included [in the report]. We have
also excluded matters that seemed trivial per se. Still, other
allegations have not been adequately investigated because the FCC has
not yet produced all of the records requested by the Committee.
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Fri Dec 12 20:50:25 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Fri Dec 12 20:56:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
References: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>
Message-ID: <2010F0805C774AFF8116372B57BDDB2A@LARRYTIGHE>

A fresh red apple to the person who can remember the name of the FCC 
chairman who died in a Florida flop house....I seem to remember he got 
channel 6 for a buddy in FL.

lar
K2JIA

From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Dec 12 21:17:02 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec 12 21:23:18 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
In-Reply-To: <2010F0805C774AFF8116372B57BDDB2A@LARRYTIGHE>
References: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>
	<2010F0805C774AFF8116372B57BDDB2A@LARRYTIGHE>
Message-ID: <95222826-FDAD-4429-92BE-2B75E11CD1D0@dls.net>

Larry,

I do not know who this person was.  I do know who died in a Florida  
whore house... Al Capone.

Don
K9TTY


On 12 Dec 2008, at 7:50 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:

A fresh red apple to the person who can remember the name of the FCC  
chairman who died in a Florida flop house....I seem to remember he got  
channel 6 for a buddy in FL.

lar
K2JIA


From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Fri Dec 12 21:21:15 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Fri Dec 12 21:27:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
References: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>
	<2010F0805C774AFF8116372B57BDDB2A@LARRYTIGHE>
	<95222826-FDAD-4429-92BE-2B75E11CD1D0@dls.net>
Message-ID: <9828A4D69E4A466DAE25465546173564@LARRYTIGHE>

Don,
Please :>) I don't think Al Capone was an FCC commissioner...and in those 
days, wasn't it the Federal Radio Commission?

Capone died at his FL mansion of syphillis.  He was released from Alcatraz 
early because his brain was so far gone....almost as bad as mine is getting 
LOL
lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>
To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 21:17
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...


> Larry,
>
> I do not know who this person was.  I do know who died in a Florida  whore 
> house... Al Capone.
>
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
> On 12 Dec 2008, at 7:50 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:
>
> A fresh red apple to the person who can remember the name of the FCC 
> chairman who died in a Florida flop house....I seem to remember he got 
> channel 6 for a buddy in FL.
>
> lar
> K2JIA
>
> 

From k9tty at dls.net  Sat Dec 13 00:18:06 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat Dec 13 00:24:22 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
In-Reply-To: <9828A4D69E4A466DAE25465546173564@LARRYTIGHE>
References: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>
	<2010F0805C774AFF8116372B57BDDB2A@LARRYTIGHE>
	<95222826-FDAD-4429-92BE-2B75E11CD1D0@dls.net>
	<9828A4D69E4A466DAE25465546173564@LARRYTIGHE>
Message-ID: <1348732E-4A36-49B0-86C8-398950FAE58F@dls.net>

Thanks for the correction of my history lesson.

Don


On 12 Dec 2008, at 8:21 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:

Don,
Please :>) I don't think Al Capone was an FCC commissioner...and in  
those days, wasn't it the Federal Radio Commission?

Capone died at his FL mansion of syphillis.  He was released from  
Alcatraz early because his brain was so far gone....almost as bad as  
mine is getting LOL
lar
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>
To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 21:17
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...


> Larry,
>
> I do not know who this person was.  I do know who died in a Florida   
> whore house... Al Capone.
>
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
> On 12 Dec 2008, at 7:50 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:
>
> A fresh red apple to the person who can remember the name of the FCC  
> chairman who died in a Florida flop house....I seem to remember he  
> got channel 6 for a buddy in FL.
>
> lar
> K2JIA
>


From k9tty at dls.net  Sat Dec 13 02:33:23 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat Dec 13 02:39:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
In-Reply-To: <4943566E.7090301@earthlink.net>
References: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>
	<4943566E.7090301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B3C6B776-6CBA-42CA-8FE1-43BF794810A2@dls.net>

Hi Ed,

I should have cut the message down.  My XYL had other plans for me  
tonight.

Basically the Management at the FCC under the last two chairmen caused  
the agency to become a political agency instead of a technical agency.
The committee is made up of more than just Rep. Dingell.  The entire  
oversight committee agrees that the FCC picked the reports that
would suit the chairman's political agenda and buried any reports that  
were in conflict.

One example was the BPL Broadband over Power Line which the ARRL had  
to sue the FCC to get attention to the bungling
and mismanagement at the FCC.

There are high hopes that after this investigation which brings to  
light the FCCs failures and mismanagement, that a good
technically knowledgeable person will be appointed to the chairmanship  
of the FCC and the agency can get back to it's chartered duties in
a professional publicly transparent manner as was intended.

Once we find out who the candidate are for the position we can write  
supporting who we think is best suited to do the best
job managing the FCC.

I think this report is good news as it brings to light more government  
fraud and inaction or incorrect action.

Sorry to clutter up your monitor.  Below is an edited version.

Don
K9TTY

THE ARRL WROTE:

> ==> CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS RELEASE REPORT
> LAMBASTING FCC CHAIRMAN KEVIN MARTIN

> On Tuesday, December 9, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce --
> the congressional committee that oversees the Federal Communications
> Commission -- released its majority staff report "on the bipartisan
> investigation of the FCC's regulatory processes and management
> practices."

> The report -- "Deception and Distrust: The Federal
> Communications Commission under Chairman Kevin J. Martin" -- stated  
> that
> the investigation was prompted "by allegations to the effect that  
> [FCC]
> Chairman Kevin J. Martin has abused FCC procedures by manipulating or
> suppressing reports, data and information"

> <http://www.arrl.org/news/files/FCC_Report120908.pdf>.

> "Our investigation confirmed a number of troubling allegations  
> raised by
> individuals in and outside the FCC," said Representative Bart Stupak
> (D-MI), Chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.
> "The Committee staff report details some of the most egregious  
> abuses of
> power, suppression of information and manipulation of data under
> Chairman Martin's leadership. It is my hope that this report will  
> serve
> as a roadmap for a fair, open and efficient FCC under new leadership  
> in
> the next administration."

> Representative John D. Dingell (D-MI), Chairman of the Committee on
> Energy and Commerce echoed Stupak's concerns: "Any of these findings,
> individually, are cause for concern. Together, the findings suggest
> that, in recent years, the FCC has operated in a dysfunctional manner
> and Commission business has suffered as a result. It is my hope that  
> the
> new FCC Chairman will find this report instructive and that it will
> prove useful in helping the Commission avoid making the same  
> mistakes."
>
> In its 110-page report, the Committee described 12 allegations,  
> ranging
> from retaliation against FCC employees who differed with the  
> Chairman's
> policies to enhanced 911 wireless services to broadband over power  
> lines
> (BPL). To go along with the 12 allegations, 22 exhibits were  
> attached to
> the report, such as internal e-mails, e-mails from FCC commissioners  
> to
> their staff, statements made by FCC commissioners and letters to and
> from commissioners (including Chairman Martin). Not all 12 allegations
> were substantiated by the Committee.

> * Broadband over Power Lines
> Concerning BPL, the report alleges that FCC officials "ignored
> complaints of radio frequency interference caused by BPL high-speed
> Internet technology, delayed an enforcement investigation for two  
> years
> and improperly withheld engineering data regarding BPL from the  
> public."
> The report found that in October 2004, as then-Chairman Michael Powell
> issued his final rule "defining BPL access and setting technical and
> administrative requirements to protect licensed radio operators from
> harmful interference," the FCC "withheld from the public certain
> engineering reports on which it relied in promulgating the rule" from
> the final rule and order.

> Even though the BPL rules were adopted during Powell's tenure, the
> report found that "it was under Chairman Martin that the Enforcement
> Bureau and the General Counsel continued to withhold the redacted
> engineering reports and insisted on doing so in the course of the
> ensuing litigation [with the ARRL]"
> <http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/>.
> The report goes on to say that on April 25, 2008, the US Court of
> Appeals for the DC Circuit found that the FCC, in the case filed by  
> the
> ARRL, "violated the Administrative Procedure Act when it played 'hide
> and seek' with engineering data used in its support of the order and
> 'cherry-picked' a study on which it had relied"

> <http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/opinions/200804/06-1343-1112979.pdf 
> >.

> "The fact that the FCC withheld the required engineering reports in  
> this
> matter," the report concluded, "indicates poor judgment and an attempt
> to hide critical weaknesses in its decision. Ironically, the FCC's
> attempts to hide this information only served to provoke suspicion and
> its handmaiden, litigation. This case [filed by the ARRL] illustrates
> the extent to which a culture of secrecy has developed at the FCC that
> is as counterproductive as it is unnecessary."
>
> Sumner continued: "More than seven months after the Court remand, the
> FCC has done nothing to correct its errors, nor has it complied with  
> the
> very specific instructions from the United States Court of Appeals.
> These instructions included the disclosure of the studies that it
> intentionally withheld from the public, but upon which it relied in
> adopting its rules. Indeed, the only step the Commission has taken  
> since
> the Court's remand order is to mount an unsuccessful effort to oppose
> our claim for reimbursement of the printing costs for the briefs in  
> the
> case -- a small fraction of the expenses incurred by the ARRL in our
> appeal -- expenses that would not have been necessary had the  
> Commission
> followed the law in the first place"

> <http://www.arrl.org/?artid=8338>.

> * Other Findings by the Committee
> The report also showed instances of where Chairman Martin  
> "manipulated,
> withheld or suppressed data, reports and information," and said  
> Martin's
> "manipulation [of another report] may have damaged the credibility of
> the Commission, and certainly undermined the integrity of the staff.
> Moreover, it was done with the purpose of affecting the congressional
> decision-making, in that it was issued as a report to Congress."
> Saying that FCC matters have not been handled in an "open or  
> transparent
> manner," the report said the FCC "rais[ed] suspicions both inside and
> outside the Commission that some parties and issues are not being
> treated fairly." The report stated that the Committee's impressions  
> were
> "confirmed" when it discovered that Chairman Martin made a "preemptory
> reversal" of [a report's] conclusions and that Martin did not seek
> "further public comment or conduct further studies" thus giving the
> impression "that the issue was not handled fairly or openly."
> The report also found that Chairman Martin's "heavy-handed, opaque and
> non-collegial management style has created distrust, suspicion and
> turmoil among the five current Commissioners."

> * Committee Methodology
> Over the course of its investigation, the Committee staff reviewed
> "several hundred thousand documents, including 95 boxes of paper
> documents; conducted 73 interviews of current and former FCC employees
> and individuals associated with the telecommunications industry;
> solicited and received e-mails from FCC employees and contractors at a
> secure e-mail address established for this purpose, and reviewed  
> dozens
> of allegations." The report pointed out that since the investigation,
> Chairman Martin has taken "some small steps" to address some of the
> problems outlined in the report.

> The Committee also emphasized that not everything they found is  
> included
> in its report: "A few allegations were received so recently that they
> have not been investigated and are not included [in the report]. We  
> have
> also excluded matters that seemed trivial per se. Still, other
> allegations have not been adequately investigated because the FCC has
> not yet produced all of the records requested by the Committee.
> _______________________________________________
From phil10661 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 12 21:42:12 2008
From: phil10661 at yahoo.com (Phil Schelinski)
Date: Sat Dec 13 10:11:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
In-Reply-To: <70D269E7-1E0E-4A62-89AF-A6FB452D925A@dls.net>
Message-ID: <244305.13714.qm@web52310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Don 
?
I agree, and have written several times to the FCC about young Kevin ..
His predecessor Michael Powell (son of the general ) wasn't much better.
This is one reason why the former RBOC's were able to contain any real competition in true broadband development and why America is about # 18 in the world .
This is one of many FCC rulings that hurt America .
The one I have been?more concerned about is the small circle of MEDIA ownership across the airwaves and print .
This control came to light during the run up to the invasion of IRAQ ..
One very well known HAWK editor W.K. ---wrote 79 editorials defending the WMD story.
While some proclaim the Internet is the counter balance to powerful media ownership they are ignoring the fact (that) the general public gets their news via major newspapers and the sound byte major tv channels .
The younger generation tends to subscribe to world wide RSS feeds to gather the "rest of the story".
This will change over time when the older gen moves on to greener pastures.
?
phil schelinski 
?
?
?
?

--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Don Robert House <k9tty@dls.net> wrote:

From: Don Robert House <k9tty@dls.net>
Subject: Congressional Report Blasts the FCC Chair...
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Cc: "Phil Schelinski" <phil10661@yahoo.com>, "Ray Sturch" <raysturch@att.net>, "Art & Linda Varga" <avnlvil@yahoo.com>, "Bob Liddy" <k8bl@ameritech.net>, "David Alm" <dfalm1@ameritech.net>, "Carter Grabarczyk" <k8vt@ameritech.net>, "W. Wallace Murray" <wm3912@att.com>, "Wayne Bartlett" <n9ybm@comcast.net>, "Roy H Norris" <royhnorris@gmail.com>, "Tom Staley" <k9tms@mindspring.com>
Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 7:23 PM

==> CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS RELEASE REPORT
LAMBASTING FCC CHAIRMAN KEVIN MARTIN

On Tuesday, December 9, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce --
the congressional committee that oversees the Federal Communications
Commission -- released its majority staff report "on the bipartisan
investigation of the FCC's regulatory processes and management
practices." The report -- "Deception and Distrust: The Federal
Communications Commission under Chairman Kevin J. Martin" -- stated that
the investigation was prompted "by allegations to the effect that [FCC]
Chairman Kevin J. Martin has abused FCC procedures by manipulating or
suppressing reports, data and information"

<http://www.arrl.org/news/files/FCC_Report120908.pdf>.

"Our investigation confirmed a number of troubling allegations raised by
individuals in and outside the FCC," said Representative Bart Stupak
(D-MI), Chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.
"The Committee staff report details some of the most egregious abuses of
power, suppression of information and manipulation of data under
Chairman Martin's leadership. It is my hope that this report will serve
as a roadmap for a fair, open and efficient FCC under new leadership in
the next administration."

Representative John D. Dingell (D-MI), Chairman of the Committee on
Energy and Commerce echoed Stupak's concerns: "Any of these findings,
individually, are cause for concern. Together, the findings suggest
that, in recent years, the FCC has operated in a dysfunctional manner
and Commission business has suffered as a result. It is my hope that the
new FCC Chairman will find this report instructive and that it will
prove useful in helping the Commission avoid making the same mistakes."

The report said that "in an investigation of this nature," the
Committee
would usually hold hearings "to receive testimony from witnesses and to
further examine the issues." But due to what the Committee called
"the
climate of fear that currently pervades the FCC," the report said the
Committee found that key witnesses "were unwilling to testify or even
have their names become known." For that reason, they issued a report in
place of a hearing "to protect the many honest people who came forward
under a promise of protection or anonymity." Chairman Martin was invited
to meet with the Committee to discuss matters addressed by the
investigation, but the report said he "ignored [the Committee's]
invitation," as did his Chief of Staff Daniel Gonzalez and Chief of
Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau Derek Poarch.

In its 110-page report, the Committee described 12 allegations, ranging
from retaliation against FCC employees who differed with the Chairman's
policies to enhanced 911 wireless services to broadband over power lines
(BPL). To go along with the 12 allegations, 22 exhibits were attached to
the report, such as internal e-mails, e-mails from FCC commissioners to
their staff, statements made by FCC commissioners and letters to and
from commissioners (including Chairman Martin). Not all 12 allegations
were substantiated by the Committee.

* Broadband over Power Lines

Concerning BPL, the report alleges that FCC officials "ignored
complaints of radio frequency interference caused by BPL high-speed
Internet technology, delayed an enforcement investigation for two years
and improperly withheld engineering data regarding BPL from the public."

The report found that in October 2004, as then-Chairman Michael Powell
issued his final rule "defining BPL access and setting technical and
administrative requirements to protect licensed radio operators from
harmful interference," the FCC "withheld from the public certain
engineering reports on which it relied in promulgating the rule" from
the final rule and order.

Even though the BPL rules were adopted during Powell's tenure, the
report found that "it was under Chairman Martin that the Enforcement
Bureau and the General Counsel continued to withhold the redacted
engineering reports and insisted on doing so in the course of the
ensuing litigation [with the ARRL]"
<http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/>.

The report goes on to say that on April 25, 2008, the US Court of
Appeals for the DC Circuit found that the FCC, in the case filed by the
ARRL, "violated the Administrative Procedure Act when it played 'hide
and seek' with engineering data used in its support of the order and
'cherry-picked' a study on which it had relied"
<http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/opinions/200804/06-1343-1112979.p
df>.

"The fact that the FCC withheld the required engineering reports in this
matter," the report concluded, "indicates poor judgment and an
attempt
to hide critical weaknesses in its decision. Ironically, the FCC's
attempts to hide this information only served to provoke suspicion and
its handmaiden, litigation. This case [filed by the ARRL] illustrates
the extent to which a culture of secrecy has developed at the FCC that
is as counterproductive as it is unnecessary." The report states that
this "particular situation" has been corrected by the courts and
technological issues arising from BPL have been "rendered largely moot
over time due to improvements" in BPL technology.

"It is distressing, but unfortunately not surprising," said ARRL
Chief
Executive Officer David Sumner, K1ZZ, "to read that the FCC's
mishandling of the BPL issue was simply a part of a broad pattern of
dysfunction at the Commission. This is a relatively recent development
and is unprecedented in the ARRL's long experience with the FCC -- an
association that dates back to the very creation of the agency, 20 years
after the founding of the ARRL. While the marketplace failure of BPL and
the steps taken voluntarily by the few companies that have deployed BPL
systems have combined to minimize interference, the regulatory issue is
by no means moot. The rules remain inadequate."

Sumner continued: "More than seven months after the Court remand, the
FCC has done nothing to correct its errors, nor has it complied with the
very specific instructions from the United States Court of Appeals.
These instructions included the disclosure of the studies that it
intentionally withheld from the public, but upon which it relied in
adopting its rules. Indeed, the only step the Commission has taken since
the Court's remand order is to mount an unsuccessful effort to oppose
our claim for reimbursement of the printing costs for the briefs in the
case -- a small fraction of the expenses incurred by the ARRL in our
appeal -- expenses that would not have been necessary had the Commission
followed the law in the first place"
<http://www.arrl.org/?artid=8338>.

* Other Findings by the Committee

The report also showed instances of where Chairman Martin "manipulated,
withheld or suppressed data, reports and information," and said
Martin's
"manipulation [of another report] may have damaged the credibility of
the Commission, and certainly undermined the integrity of the staff.
Moreover, it was done with the purpose of affecting the congressional
decision-making, in that it was issued as a report to Congress."

Saying that FCC matters have not been handled in an "open or transparent
manner," the report said the FCC "rais[ed] suspicions both inside and
outside the Commission that some parties and issues are not being
treated fairly." The report stated that the Committee's impressions
were
"confirmed" when it discovered that Chairman Martin made a
"preemptory
reversal" of [a report's] conclusions and that Martin did not seek
"further public comment or conduct further studies" thus giving the
impression "that the issue was not handled fairly or openly."

The report also found that Chairman Martin's "heavy-handed, opaque and
non-collegial management style has created distrust, suspicion and
turmoil among the five current Commissioners." The report states that
Martin does not afford his fellow Commissioners "direct and unfettered
access to the Commission staff and their expert advice, thereby
hindering the ability of other Commissioners to carry out the duties of
their offices and the work of the Commission."

The report also found that Commission staff have not been "effectively
managed." When Martin first became Chairman, he "imposed a major
reshuffling of FCC staff throughout the agency." While the report said
that a "certain amount of reorganization is not unprecedented" when a
new Chairman begins his term, the reorganization "was highly unusual in
both its breadth (nearly every senior position at the agency changed
hands) and its depth (even a number on non-management line staffers
found themselves inexplicably reassigned)." Calling it a "waste of
resources, the report pointed out that senior employees with "extensive
experience and expertise" were reassigned to junior-level positions; as
a result, "it appears that some important Commission proceedings were
delayed."

* Committee Methodology

Over the course of its investigation, the Committee staff reviewed
"several hundred thousand documents, including 95 boxes of paper
documents; conducted 73 interviews of current and former FCC employees
and individuals associated with the telecommunications industry;
solicited and received e-mails from FCC employees and contractors at a
secure e-mail address established for this purpose, and reviewed dozens
of allegations." The report pointed out that since the investigation,
Chairman Martin has taken "some small steps" to address some of the
problems outlined in the report.

The Committee also emphasized that not everything they found is included
in its report: "A few allegations were received so recently that they
have not been investigated and are not included [in the report]. We have
also excluded matters that seemed trivial per se. Still, other
allegations have not been adequately investigated because the FCC has
not yet produced all of the records requested by the Committee.



      
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From c.sawyers at tech-enterprise.com  Sat Dec 13 19:08:03 2008
From: c.sawyers at tech-enterprise.com (Craig Sawyers)
Date: Sat Dec 13 19:14:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 keyboard
Message-ID: <290533A0948042E4ADC99B118BC490E3@TechEnt>

Hi all

I have a friend on another mailing list (tekscopes) who is trying to return
a model 15 keyboard to original function.  Apparently, a previous owner had
"improved" it by some butchery to give it an autorepeat function.

If anyone has a parts mule, let me know and I'll put you both in direct
contact to talk details.

Cheers

Craig

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 14 21:18:08 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun Dec 14 21:24:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 keyboard
In-Reply-To: <290533A0948042E4ADC99B118BC490E3@TechEnt>
References: <290533A0948042E4ADC99B118BC490E3@TechEnt>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142016020.19287@localhost.localdomain>

Does he actually need parts?  You can get a repeat character operation
by simply misadjusting the keyboard.  In fact I have one I am trying to
adjust correctly and so far it has defeated me every time.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 14 21:34:03 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun Dec 14 21:40:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>

There is a parts book for the Model 14 tape strip printer in
Bell System service.  It shows parts for 2" wide tape, with character
spacings of 7 per inch and 8 per inch.  Anybody know what those were
used for?



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

From Packard42 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 23:10:40 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun Dec 14 23:17:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>

Jim,

Does the parts book have a date? I know a guy in at&t archives that  
might be able to help.

At first though I was thinking that the tape would be wide enough for  
a post printing function like winding it up and then running it  
through a manual braille embosser.

Just an idea.  I will copy some of my Bell folks to see if they recall  
such a strip printer.

Don


On 14 Dec 2008, at 8:34 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

There is a parts book for the Model 14 tape strip printer in
Bell System service.  It shows parts for 2" wide tape, with character
spacings of 7 per inch and 8 per inch.  Anybody know what those were
used for?



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 15 11:54:00 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon Dec 15 12:00:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>
	<0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain>


The date on the book is November, 1940.

There is a lot of other odd stuff in there, like 130V DC motors - 
obviously for the central office; a character counter in a separate
box, a motor control relay, bell on blank, and some things I can't
recognize.  Also the crank out the front on the range finder for
test board use.

The tape handling mechanism for 2" wide tape seems to have two of
the typical Model 14 narrow platens spaced apart so they engage the
tape at the edges.  Hence printing has to be on one or both edges of
the tape, not anywhere in the middle; and I would guess that it is
on only one edge of the tape.  The character set for type pallets
is the fraction set or the communication set.

This could of course be for a Bell System customer and not for internal
Bell System use.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From KC0NNC at aol.com  Mon Dec 15 12:40:00 2008
From: KC0NNC at aol.com (KC0NNC@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 15 12:47:06 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: comments: Congressional Report Blasts the FCC
	Chair...
Message-ID: <be6.3e9a9881.3677f070@aol.com>

Well, don, keep us posted on this item, as we will need to know when the time 
is correct to send in our $0.02 worth, favoring the candidate we all feel is 
the correct one...
 
The ARRL seems to be on top of this, so perhaps we should watch what they are 
doing as well...

Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735

fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC

HarveyEsmith@aol.com

KC0NNC@aol.com


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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 00:24:49 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec 16 00:31:36 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409AD@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>
	<0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>
	<77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409AD@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
Message-ID: <D0F26637-A224-4FF7-943E-893A835E4D35@gmail.com>

By George...  Wallace I think you may have hit on it.

Thanks,
Don


On 15 Dec 2008, at 8:18 AM, MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT) wrote:

One thought:
Could it be something that was used with the perforator used on the five
cross bar for detailed billing.  It had a paper tape that was about two
inches wide.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Robert House [mailto:Packard42@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:11 PM
To: Jim Haynes
Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net; Bill Pritts; Don Ostrand; Phil
Schelinski; Tom Rostkowski; MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT); Lorence
Brown; ROBT HIEMENZ; Bob Liddy; Bill Atzhorn; Carter Grabarczyk; Ken
Clinkman; Earl Lomelino; Jack Hart; Frank & Ann Frisch; Jim Harvey;
Roger Harrison; EDW HICKEY; Bill Flood; Jack Philpot; David Weil
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys

Jim,

Does the parts book have a date? I know a guy in at&t archives that
might be able to help.

At first though I was thinking that the tape would be wide enough for a
post printing function like winding it up and then running it through a
manual braille embosser.

Just an idea.  I will copy some of my Bell folks to see if they recall
such a strip printer.

Don


On 14 Dec 2008, at 8:34 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

There is a parts book for the Model 14 tape strip printer in Bell System
service.  It shows parts for 2" wide tape, with character spacings of 7
per inch and 8 per inch.  Anybody know what those were used for?



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

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From k9tty at dls.net  Tue Dec 16 00:56:38 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec 16 01:03:19 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: ITTY and LLTTY
In-Reply-To: <75027.45345.qm@web59908.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <75027.45345.qm@web59908.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <19F21CC3-17AA-4DD7-8259-490FAA7F77AA@dls.net>

Hi Doug,

I am sorry to be delaying information to you.  My wife, Glenna, has  
been very sick.
I have been doing everything around the house and have not been able  
to do much else lately.

Yes,  you can do ITTY with a computer, but the fun comes when the  
Teletype comes to life.

I suggest that you point your browser to http://www.qsl.net and sign  
up for the GREENKEYS email reflector.
Bill Buzbee has authored some very neat software that allows you to do  
what you are wanting to do.

There are a lot of other helpful people on the Greenkeys reflector.

Here are my two sites:   http://www.nadcomm.com and http://www.webshots.com/user/realstuff

You should also visit George Hutchison's site:  http://www.rtty.com

The incoming link for copying the ITTY fsk is 207.207.72.32:8000

More later,

Don
K9TTY


On 15 Dec 2008, at 2:37 PM, Doug Vandegrift wrote:

Hi Don, I hope you are well.
Well, we got our first Snow Storm in 9 years. Lots of fun watching  
cars going down the road
Sideways.
Question? I do know how to do Land Line Teletype, But how about  
Internet Teletype?
I have a number of CS500 computers, and I was wondering if there was a  
way to connect
a teletype through a TU and connect it to the audio in and audio out  
of a computer.
Then all we need is to send a file from one tty to another tty by  
internet.
or maybe it was already done.

Doug Vandegrift


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From al.e.murray at uwrf.edu  Tue Dec 16 07:42:25 2008
From: al.e.murray at uwrf.edu (Al Murray)
Date: Tue Dec 16 07:49:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <D0F26637-A224-4FF7-943E-893A835E4D35@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>	<0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>	<77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409AD@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
	<D0F26637-A224-4FF7-943E-893A835E4D35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4947A231.1030604@uwrf.edu>

I think Wallace is correct.  Tho I remember it on the early ESS switches 
running on a
model 35. Memory is very dim at this point.  AL

Don Robert House wrote:
> By George...  Wallace I think you may have hit on it.
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
>
> On 15 Dec 2008, at 8:18 AM, MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT) wrote:
>
> One thought:
> Could it be something that was used with the perforator used on the five
> cross bar for detailed billing.  It had a paper tape that was about two
> inches wide.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Robert House [mailto:Packard42@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:11 PM
> To: Jim Haynes
> Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net; Bill Pritts; Don Ostrand; Phil
> Schelinski; Tom Rostkowski; MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT); Lorence
> Brown; ROBT HIEMENZ; Bob Liddy; Bill Atzhorn; Carter Grabarczyk; Ken
> Clinkman; Earl Lomelino; Jack Hart; Frank & Ann Frisch; Jim Harvey;
> Roger Harrison; EDW HICKEY; Bill Flood; Jack Philpot; David Weil
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
>
> Jim,
>
> Does the parts book have a date? I know a guy in at&t archives that
> might be able to help.
>
> At first though I was thinking that the tape would be wide enough for a
> post printing function like winding it up and then running it through a
> manual braille embosser.
>
> Just an idea.  I will copy some of my Bell folks to see if they recall
> such a strip printer.
>
> Don
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2008, at 8:34 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
>
> There is a parts book for the Model 14 tape strip printer in Bell System
> service.  It shows parts for 2" wide tape, with character spacings of 7
> per inch and 8 per inch.  Anybody know what those were used for?
>
>
>
> jhhaynes at earthlink dot net
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 16 10:23:46 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue Dec 16 10:30:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409B0@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain>
	<522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409B0@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812160922130.2645@localhost.localdomain>

Teletype made DC motors for a long time, for commercial/military DC
power system where the voltage is 110-120V.  What is noteworthy about
the new discovery is that motors also existed to run on 130V DC, which
is what is available in telephone central offices but not in mains power.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Tue Dec 16 10:26:49 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue Dec 16 10:33:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain><522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409B0@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0812160922130.2645@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <64181926C0714EBF820DFCEFDC512A0D@ljt>

Jim,

Where did the 130 VDC come from?  I've only seen the huge 48 VDC battery 
banks and the 80-120 VAC 20 cycles for ringing.  I do remember 130 VDC for 
the coin collect/return relays in payfones...did it come from inverters???

lar 

From wm3912 at att.com  Mon Dec 15 09:18:17 2008
From: wm3912 at att.com (MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT))
Date: Tue Dec 16 10:52:14 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812142027350.19740@localhost.localdomain>
	<0D7ABD07-52A9-4746-8321-F7C282BC27C7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409AD@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>

One thought:
Could it be something that was used with the perforator used on the five
cross bar for detailed billing.  It had a paper tape that was about two
inches wide. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Robert House [mailto:Packard42@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:11 PM
To: Jim Haynes
Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net; Bill Pritts; Don Ostrand; Phil
Schelinski; Tom Rostkowski; MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT); Lorence
Brown; ROBT HIEMENZ; Bob Liddy; Bill Atzhorn; Carter Grabarczyk; Ken
Clinkman; Earl Lomelino; Jack Hart; Frank & Ann Frisch; Jim Harvey;
Roger Harrison; EDW HICKEY; Bill Flood; Jack Philpot; David Weil
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys

Jim,

Does the parts book have a date? I know a guy in at&t archives that
might be able to help.

At first though I was thinking that the tape would be wide enough for a
post printing function like winding it up and then running it through a
manual braille embosser.

Just an idea.  I will copy some of my Bell folks to see if they recall
such a strip printer.

Don


On 14 Dec 2008, at 8:34 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

There is a parts book for the Model 14 tape strip printer in Bell System
service.  It shows parts for 2" wide tape, with character spacings of 7
per inch and 8 per inch.  Anybody know what those were used for?



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

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From 65cyclone at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 17:41:34 2008
From: 65cyclone at sbcglobal.net (EDW HICKEY)
Date: Tue Dec 16 10:52:15 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We had customers with DC motors in downtown Chicago.?? The last of them was a 3 row TWX at the Chicago Motor Club on South Water St.
?
Now where is my tuning fork?
?
?


--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
To: "Don Robert House" <Packard42@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, "Bill Pritts" <BKPritts@aol.com>, "Don Ostrand" <qwest541@qwest.net>, "Phil Schelinski" <phil10661@yahoo.com>, "Tom Rostkowski" <TOMROSTKOW@aol.com>, "W. Wallace Murray" <wm3912@att.com>, "Lorence Brown" <l_b_brown@prodigy.net>, "ROBT HIEMENZ" <rphiemenz@prodigy.net>, "Bob Liddy" <k8bl@ameritech.net>, "Bill Atzhorn" <wmatzhorn@prodigy.net>, "Carter Grabarczyk" <k8vt@ameritech.net>, "Ken Clinkman" <kenbc@rcn.com>, "Earl Lomelino" <elomelino@ameritech.net>, "Jack Hart" <wa2hwj@att.net>, "Frank & Ann Frisch" <packard47@gmail.com>, "Jim Harvey" <wb8nbs@prodigy.net>, "Roger Harrison" <rusaved2@sbcglobal.net>, "EDW HICKEY" <65cyclone@sbcglobal.net>, "Bill Flood" <WRFLO@aol.com>, "Jack Philpot" <JTPZENITH@aol.com>, "David Weil" <sandiegocm@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:54 AM

The date on the book is November, 1940.

There is a lot of other odd stuff in there, like 130V DC motors - 
obviously for the central office; a character counter in a separate
box, a motor control relay, bell on blank, and some things I can't
recognize.  Also the crank out the front on the range finder for
test board use.

The tape handling mechanism for 2" wide tape seems to have two of
the typical Model 14 narrow platens spaced apart so they engage the
tape at the edges.  Hence printing has to be on one or both edges of
the tape, not anywhere in the middle; and I would guess that it is
on only one edge of the tape.  The character set for type pallets
is the fraction set or the communication set.

This could of course be for a Bell System customer and not for internal
Bell System use.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


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From wm3912 at att.com  Tue Dec 16 09:25:08 2008
From: wm3912 at att.com (MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT))
Date: Tue Dec 16 10:52:16 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain>
	<522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409B0@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>

I know that we had DC power distribution in Downtown Detroit.  Did Con
Edison do the same thing in downtown Chicago.  Possibly the reason for
DC TTY motors.  I understand that one of the reasons DC power lasted so
long in Detroit was that the elevator motors in some of the building ran
on DC.

________________________________

From: EDW HICKEY [mailto:65cyclone@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:42 PM
To: Don Robert House; Jim Haynes
Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net; Bill Pritts; Don Ostrand; Phil
Schelinski; Tom Rostkowski; MURRAY, WALLACE W (ATTASIAIT); Lorence
Brown; ROBT HIEMENZ; Bob Liddy; Bill Atzhorn; Carter Grabarczyk; Ken
Clinkman; Earl Lomelino; Jack Hart; Frank & Ann Frisch; Jim Harvey;
Roger Harrison; Bill Flood; Jack Philpot; David Weil
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys


We had customers with DC motors in downtown Chicago.   The last of them
was a 3 row TWX at the Chicago Motor Club on South Water St.
 
Now where is my tuning fork?
 
 


--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net> wrote:


	From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
	Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System
guys
	To: "Don Robert House" <Packard42@gmail.com>
	Cc: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>,
greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, "Bill Pritts" <BKPritts@aol.com>, "Don
Ostrand" <qwest541@qwest.net>, "Phil Schelinski" <phil10661@yahoo.com>,
"Tom Rostkowski" <TOMROSTKOW@aol.com>, "W. Wallace Murray"
<wm3912@att.com>, "Lorence Brown" <l_b_brown@prodigy.net>, "ROBT
HIEMENZ" <rphiemenz@prodigy.net>, "Bob Liddy" <k8bl@ameritech.net>,
"Bill Atzhorn" <wmatzhorn@prodigy.net>, "Carter Grabarczyk"
<k8vt@ameritech.net>, "Ken Clinkman" <kenbc@rcn.com>, "Earl Lomelino"
<elomelino@ameritech.net>, "Jack Hart" <wa2hwj@att.net>, "Frank & Ann
Frisch" <packard47@gmail.com>, "Jim Harvey" <wb8nbs@prodigy.net>, "Roger
Harrison" <rusaved2@sbcglobal.net>, "EDW HICKEY"
<65cyclone@sbcglobal.net>, "Bill Flood" <WRFLO@aol.com>, "Jack Philpot"
<JTPZENITH@aol.com>, "David Weil" <sandiegocm@gmail.com>
	Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:54 AM
	
	
	The date on the book is November, 1940.
	
	There is a lot of other odd stuff in there, like 130V DC motors
- 
	obviously for the central office; a character counter in a
separate
	box, a motor control relay, bell on blank, and some things I
can't
	recognize.  Also the crank out the front on the range finder for
	test board use.
	
	The tape handling mechanism for 2" wide tape seems to have two
of
	the typical Model 14 narrow platens spaced apart so they engage
the
	tape at the edges.  Hence printing has to be on one or both
edges of
	the tape, not anywhere in the middle; and I would guess that it
is
	on only one edge of the tape.  The character set for type
pallets
	is the fraction set or the communication set.
	
	This could of course be for a Bell System customer and not for
internal
	Bell System use.
	
	
	
	jhhaynes at earthlink dot net
	
	

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From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Tue Dec 16 10:53:55 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Tue Dec 16 11:00:09 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
References: <522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007501c95f96$827c7f20$0201a8c0@system1>

And you guys were laughing at me for wondering where mine was.   But it is safe and sound!

73

Lee   K9WRU
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: EDW HICKEY 
  To: Don Robert House ; Jim Haynes 
  Cc: Lorence Brown ; Bill Atzhorn ; Ken Clinkman ; Jack Philpot ; W. Wallace Murray ; Earl Lomelino ; Jack Hart ; Bob Liddy ; Phil Schelinski ; Tom Rostkowski ; Jim Harvey ; Bill Pritts ; Roger Harrison ; Don Ostrand ; Carter Grabarczyk ; Frank & Ann Frisch ; ROBT HIEMENZ ; Bill Flood ; greenkeys@mailman.qth.net ; David Weil 
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys


        We had customers with DC motors in downtown Chicago.   The last of them was a 3 row TWX at the Chicago Motor Club on South Water St.

        Now where is my tuning fork?




        --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net> wrote:

          From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
          Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
          To: "Don Robert House" <Packard42@gmail.com>
          Cc: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net, "Bill Pritts" <BKPritts@aol.com>, "Don Ostrand" <qwest541@qwest.net>, "Phil Schelinski" <phil10661@yahoo.com>, "Tom Rostkowski" <TOMROSTKOW@aol.com>, "W. Wallace Murray" <wm3912@att.com>, "Lorence Brown" <l_b_brown@prodigy.net>, "ROBT HIEMENZ" <rphiemenz@prodigy.net>, "Bob Liddy" <k8bl@ameritech.net>, "Bill Atzhorn" <wmatzhorn@prodigy.net>, "Carter Grabarczyk" <k8vt@ameritech.net>, "Ken Clinkman" <kenbc@rcn.com>, "Earl Lomelino" <elomelino@ameritech.net>, "Jack Hart" <wa2hwj@att.net>, "Frank & Ann Frisch" <packard47@gmail.com>, "Jim Harvey" <wb8nbs@prodigy.net>, "Roger Harrison" <rusaved2@sbcglobal.net>, "EDW HICKEY" <65cyclone@sbcglobal.net>, "Bill Flood" <WRFLO@aol.com>, "Jack Philpot" <JTPZENITH@aol.com>, "David Weil" <sandiegocm@gmail.com>
          Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:54 AM


The date on the book is November, 1940.

There is a lot of other odd stuff in there, like 130V DC motors - 
obviously for the central office; a character counter in a separate
box, a motor control relay, bell on blank, and some things I can't
recognize.  Also the crank out the front on the range finder for
test board use.

The tape handling mechanism for 2" wide tape seems to have two of
the typical Model 14 narrow platens spaced apart so they engage the
tape at the edges.  Hence printing has to be on one or both edges of
the tape, not anywhere in the middle; and I would guess that it is
on only one edge of the tape.  The character set for type pallets
is the fraction set or the communication set.

This could of course be for a Bell System customer and not for internal
Bell System use.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


 



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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 16 11:45:13 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue Dec 16 11:52:22 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <64181926C0714EBF820DFCEFDC512A0D@ljt>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain><522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409B0@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0812160922130.2645@localhost.localdomain>
	<64181926C0714EBF820DFCEFDC512A0D@ljt>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812161041300.3319@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Larry Tighe wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Where did the 130 VDC come from?  I've only seen the huge 48 VDC battery 
> banks and the 80-120 VAC 20 cycles for ringing.  I do remember 130 VDC for 
> the coin collect/return relays in payfones...did it come from inverters???
>
Usually rectifier and storage battery plant - used in offices where there
were vacuum tubes needing plate supply, and I guess also as telegraph
battery.

In one small office I'm aware of there was a rectifier and the backup 
battery was made of #6 dry cells.

From ka2wft at arrl.net  Tue Dec 16 11:47:31 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Tue Dec 16 12:35:19 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another question for old Bell System guys
In-Reply-To: <64181926C0714EBF820DFCEFDC512A0D@ljt>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812151049100.2676@localhost.localdomain>
	<522257.5253.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<77270A09906D59429D83E0A0320D1D9FC409B0@misout7msgusr75.ITServices.sbc.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0812160922130.2645@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20081216114433.00bb0518@incoming.verizon.net>

At 10:26 AM 12/16/2008 -0500, Larry Tighe wrote:
>Where did the 130 VDC come from?  I've only seen the huge 48 VDC battery 
>banks and the 80-120 VAC 20 cycles for ringing.  I do remember 130 VDC for 
>the coin collect/return relays in payfones...did it come from inverters???


I was told by a former #5 XB tech that the 130 VDC coin battery came from a 
bank of the big telephone dry cells, at least in the office he worked in.

Doug A.


From amourdutigre at kc.rr.com  Tue Dec 16 15:28:37 2008
From: amourdutigre at kc.rr.com (amourdutigre)
Date: Wed Dec 17 10:08:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] looking for TTY unit
Message-ID: <001001c95fbc$e0bb2020$296f1a41@win06v5>

Hi,

I am in the process of (attempting to at least) set up a early to mid 1960's ham RTTY QTH, and I am in the process of building the TT/L demodulator that was described in the ARRL publication #26. 

I am looking for a TTY unit to be used in this project, preferably a model 19, but anything will do. I live in the Kansas City, MO region, and would be willing to travel in the midwest by two or three hundred miles to pick up. 

Any suggestions for locating such a thing would be greatly appreciated. Also looking for about fifteen of those 88mH toroid Telco inductors that used to be common but now are rare as hen's teeth.

Thanks in advance and best of the season,

73
Joe Herdler
KB0TXC
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From ddillman at igc.org  Wed Dec 17 16:04:18 2008
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Wed Dec 17 16:12:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mini Night of Nights for SKN with KSM and RTTY
Message-ID: <13886006.1229547858919.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


K6KPH WILL PARTICIPATE IN STRAIGHT KEY NIGHT

KSM WILL BE ON THE AIR FOR A "MINI NIGHT OF NIGHTS"

KSM RTTY BROADCASTS TO BE ON THE AIR

It's become traditional for the Maritime Radio Historical Society (MRHS) amateur station K6KPH to participate in the ARRL's Straight Key Night each New Year's Eve.  We'll be on the air again this year but with some added operations on the commercial side as well.  For more information about Straight Key Night see the ARRL's Web site at:

http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2009/skn.html

This year we thought we'd turn the event into a "Mini Night of Nights" to give folks who can't hear KSM on CW during our normal hours of operation, especially on MF, the opportunity to copy the station.  Several of our classic transmitters will be on the air.  To add yet more interest KSM RTTY broadcasts will be on the air as well.

Operations will begin at 0000Z 1 January 2009.

K6KPH will guard these frequencies for calls:

3550kc 

7050kc (Transmitter: 1950's vintage RCA "L set")

14050kc 

KSM CW operations will be on these frequencies:

426kc

500kc

4350.5kc (1950's vintage RCA "K set")

6474.0kc (1950's vintage RCA "K set")

8438.3kc

12993.0kc (1940's vintage Press Wireless PW-15)

16914.0kc

KSM RTTY operations will be on these frequencies:

8433.0kc

12631.0kc

Two modes of "RTTY" will be used: Baudot and FEC. Baudot transmissions will be at 170cps shift, 45 baud. FEC transmissions will be at 170cps shift, 100 baud.

As always reception reports may be sent to the QSL Mistress at:

Ms. Denice Stoops
QSL Mistress, MRHS
PO Box 381
Bolinas, California 94926
USA

If you are not a member of the Radiomarine list and would like to receive information like this directly just send an email to:

Radiomarine-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Have fun and happy new year to all...

VY 73,

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman, W6AWO
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================
From jangus at socal.rr.com  Wed Dec 17 22:47:27 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Wed Dec 17 22:54:12 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] More sound deadening on the Lorenz
Message-ID: <20081218.034727.171.1@STAY-85A77948LX>

The Lorenz LO-15 I recently purchased from a list member had a seirous case of
foam rubber rot, Most of it was missing and the rest had turned to powder. The
good news is it turned to powder, not that sticky goo some foam turns into.

As per a suggestion made by Randy, I purchased a 4 foot piece of 1/2" foam
from the Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Company. Kind of pricey, but then, you
get what you pay for. 

16 sq ft seems to be just the right amount to recover the insides of the roll 
top
cabinet the Lorenz came in. And 1/2" foam seems to be just right. Next step 
is to cruise down ot the RV place and see if I can find some 3/8" x 1" closed
cell foam they use to line the tops of pickup truck beds for campers. That 
looks to be the right material for edge of the bootom of the cover. Even with
a 3/8" gap around the cover (currently) the amount of noise reduction is
truly amazing.

Scotch 3M worked perfectly to glue the stuff on. And gives you just enough
time to move or reposition (once) to get it in place correctly.

I'll post some pictures to my bwebsite when I finish.

Thanks for the help everyoe so far.

Jeff-1.0
wa6vwi

From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Dec 18 00:59:58 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu Dec 18 01:06:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
References: <4949DC39.8060808@peoplepc.com>
Message-ID: <4593BD3D-107C-4043-8E3C-ACAEF1D1B92C@dls.net>

Model 15 and Geek...

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYDegfpfAs>

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Thu Dec 18 10:20:12 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu Dec 18 10:27:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
References: <4949DC39.8060808@peoplepc.com>
	<4593BD3D-107C-4043-8E3C-ACAEF1D1B92C@dls.net>
Message-ID: <1DC56ED5B8C8479BBB86104E3315C7EA@ljt>

What is that device he's using to go from the computer to key the tty loop?

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...


> Model 15 and Geek...
> 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYDegfpfAs>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Thu Dec 18 10:20:44 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu Dec 18 10:27:32 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
References: <4949DC39.8060808@peoplepc.com>
	<4593BD3D-107C-4043-8E3C-ACAEF1D1B92C@dls.net>
Message-ID: <8E184146B4F74E0CAA72B830B93E13E4@ljt>

Ohh, forgot, how did he convert ascii to baudot?

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...


> Model 15 and Geek...
> 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYDegfpfAs>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
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From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec 18 21:22:38 2008
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio@att.net)
Date: Thu Dec 18 21:29:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test
Message-ID: <3C730A590AC8443B8433B22226F225D2@dell3000>

Test...been bouncing stuff on me.
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From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec 18 21:29:02 2008
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio@att.net)
Date: Thu Dec 18 21:36:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fw: Teletype Model 28 ASR
Message-ID: <A5A0CCBD607444889B33371B306994D9@dell3000>



Subject: Re: Teletype Model 28 ASR


> Don,
>
> This reply is to you and to greenkeys...maybe someone is in your area that 
> can help.
>
> I'd really have to have my hands-on your donated 28ASR to make it "play" 
> correctly.  As you know, I've rebuilt several ASR's and each one seemed to 
> be starting from scratch for me as they're were all kind of different.
>
> You're in CT and I believe there are collectors in that area.  With this 
> posting on greenkeys, folks will be aware of you and maybe can help. 
> Short of actually working on the beast, in person, I wouldn't try to give 
> you direction....geeze, there's so much to them.
>
> lar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> Subject: Teletype Model 28 ASR
>
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> How thing going by you? The 28's are running fantastic so far, thanks to 
> you!! I can not thank you enough!!
>
> Larry, I need some help on a Teletype 28 ASR. I took on a project at the 
> Connecticut Vintage Radio and Communications museum that I belong to. They 
> want this Teletype 28 ASR running for demo during tours. It was donated by 
> somebody and have no clue about it. The only thing I know is the motor 
> runs and the typing unit runs open no matter what position the line-test 
> switch is in. Would you know what jumpers re placed on the terminal strips 
> on the back of the machine to what numbers. Also where do the wires go to 
> the typing perf, there are four wires coming out of a connector behind the 
> typing perf just hanging loose. Also where do you connect the loop signal 
> from the TU to the terminal strip. I have kind of a electrical diagram on 
> the ASR but it may not be the right one for that machine. The LESU is a 
> model 13 in the ASR.
>
> Maybe you can copy the stuff from your ASR and relay it to me via email,or 
> could you put the dilemma I have on Greenkeys for me so the guys can help 
> also. Please let me know what you think. It would be great to get this ASR 
> going for the museum. Right now the ASR is at my place so I can work on 
> it.
>
> Thanks Larry for you help!
> Best regards
> Don Otrin
>
> ____________________________________________________________

From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Dec 18 23:37:49 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu Dec 18 23:44:49 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
In-Reply-To: <8E184146B4F74E0CAA72B830B93E13E4@ljt>
References: <4949DC39.8060808@peoplepc.com>
	<4593BD3D-107C-4043-8E3C-ACAEF1D1B92C@dls.net>
	<8E184146B4F74E0CAA72B830B93E13E4@ljt>
Message-ID: <F6D0A484-F0BA-48C3-B392-D90C98EBE3AE@dls.net>

I do not know all the programs but there are several that convert  
ASCII to Baudot
one is called MM TTY

Don


On 18 Dec 2008, at 9:20 AM, Larry Tighe wrote:

Ohh, forgot, how did he convert ascii to baudot?

lar
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...


> Model 15 and Geek...
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYDegfpfAs>
> _______________________________________________
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From larryradio at att.net  Fri Dec 19 09:24:20 2008
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio@att.net)
Date: Fri Dec 19 09:31:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 ASR
Message-ID: <6EAE58D65AD74BB7A4AE998FFF2FFF22@dell3000>

Hi Folks,
Don in CT is djo1@juno.com if you can lend him a hand restoring the 28ASR....thanks,
lar
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From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Fri Dec 19 11:44:45 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25
References: <20081219090107.4246F859C61@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <29974A7C925D4E41A15FD31E7DD5EAE7@JamesTanton>

He is probably using a UART to RS232 on computer.  Byte
Magazine in the April 1977 and May 1977 discussed this.
  For myself I would like to do this.  Heavy Metal has a program
but it is too complicated for my.  If it is a TTY machine I can
handle that but software is still a hassle for me.  I use Windows
XP Pro.  If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.
  Also If anyone wants a copy of the Byte article let me know.
                                        James Tanton
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:20:12 -0500
> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
> To: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>, <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <1DC56ED5B8C8479BBB86104E3315C7EA@ljt>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> What is that device he's using to go from the computer to key the tty 
> loop?

From Telegrapher at att.net  Sat Dec 20 09:57:17 2008
From: Telegrapher at att.net (Telegrapher@att.net)
Date: Sat Dec 20 10:04:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Sig
Message-ID: <122020081457.18400.494D07CD000B3ABF000047E022230647629B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040AAB@att.net>

That popular RTTY sig running at 66WPM or closely thereof on 10.099 is nice and loud this morning here in Arizona.  Up to about S-3 which was a good indicator that the path to Europe was open.  Sure enough, worked SM4OTI on CW.  

Anyone ever able to get a copy on it?  Just a bit to much quick QSB and some on-off pulses or noise  causes problems.  Signal  seems to peak just before 1430Z.

Larry
W0OGH

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 20 10:24:47 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Sat Dec 20 10:31:49 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Sig
Message-ID: <380-2200812620152447910@earthlink.net>

That is DDK9, a 10KW weather station in Germany.  They run 450hz shift. 
You should be able to copy it with a mechanical TTY running 60 wpm ( though
you might need to adjust the range finder for optimum copy).  If you are
using MMTTY (or similar software), it is apparently so tweaked for 60 wpm
that MMTTY won't copy 66wpm when set for 60wpm.  You can change MMTTY to
66wpm, but you have to go looking for the setting.  

  --Duncan, K2OEQ


> [Original Message]
> From: <Telegrapher@att.net>
> To: <Greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 20-Dec-08 09:57:18
> Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Sig
>
> That popular RTTY sig running at 66WPM or closely thereof on 10.099 is
nice and loud this morning here in Arizona.  Up to about S-3 which was a
good indicator that the path to Europe was open.  Sure enough, worked
SM4OTI on CW.  
>
> Anyone ever able to get a copy on it?  Just a bit to much quick QSB and
some on-off pulses or noise  causes problems.  Signal  seems to peak just
before 1430Z.
>
> Larry
> W0OGH
>


From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec 20 11:15:28 2008
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Sat Dec 20 11:22:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY
Message-ID: <2540D8147D5B412AAE88E38864DE2AF5@JamesTanton>

I have had request for a copy of Byte's article on Baudot to
Computers.  I tried sending it out and because of high resolution
that is required, I will have to send three or four pages at a time.
  We will be gone for Christmas and New Years to Texas.
Sometime in January when we get settled in  I will send them
to who wants them.  Let me explain I have Part 1 and Part 2 but
not Part 3.  
   But Part 1 and Part 2 gives an understanding about different
TTY's and the theory of UART.
                                       Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,
                                       James Tanton
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lobasa" <lobasa@bellsouth.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "James Tanton" <lobasa@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25


> He is probably using a UART to RS232 on computer.  Byte
> Magazine in the April 1977 and May 1977 discussed this.
>  For myself I would like to do this.  Heavy Metal has a program
> but it is too complicated for my.  If it is a TTY machine I can
> handle that but software is still a hassle for me.  I use Windows
> XP Pro.  If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.
>  Also If anyone wants a copy of the Byte article let me know.
>                                        James Tanton
>> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:20:12 -0500
>> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
>> To: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>, <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <1DC56ED5B8C8479BBB86104E3315C7EA@ljt>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> What is that device he's using to go from the computer to key the tty 
>> loop?
> 
>
From jangus at socal.rr.com  Sat Dec 20 11:57:24 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sat Dec 20 12:04:18 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY
In-Reply-To: <2540D8147D5B412AAE88E38864DE2AF5@JamesTanton>
References: <2540D8147D5B412AAE88E38864DE2AF5@JamesTanton>
Message-ID: <494D23F4.40104@socal.rr.com>

Kind of dated now, but back in the mid '80s I wrote a program in BASIC
for the Commodore C-64 to handle the conversion so I could use a HAL
ST-6000 with the computer.

In essence, I set up the UART as 5 bits, 1 start, 1.5 stop and 45 baud.
The trick was in doing the conversions. Even with only 5 bits of data,
the parallel side of the UART is 8 bits, so I did a conversion table of
ASCII to "what it needed to be" for the past 5 bits to show BAUDOT
code. And of course vice versa.

There were other little sub routines written in to handle the LTRS and
FIGS shift and to not try and send any disallowed characters.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 20 14:37:38 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat Dec 20 14:44:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Milsurplus] small isolation XFMRs anyone? (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812201336450.5151@localhost.localdomain>


Seems like something nice for TTY loop power supplies.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:31:28 -0500
From: H.W.Hall <hwhall@compuserve.com>
To: MILSURPLUS List <milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] small isolation XFMRs anyone?

If anyone needs some isolation transformers, I can latch onto several at $7
each if I act quickly over the next couple of days. These are nice
Thordarson units with 2.75 x 2.25 x 1 inch frames, 3.125 inches between the
mounting ears holes. Primary is a dual winding 115/230 V 50/60 Hz.
Secondary is 120 VCT, 0.5 amp. Part number markings are EIA 238-9509 and
CFP 618. They use solder lugs mounted on the wire spools/thimbles, rather
than wire leads. The primary & secondary are on physically separate spools
so that one can easily remove secondary turns to lower output voltage if
desired for a vintage radio. Most of the items appear unused though a
couple have cut-off leads attached to the solder lugs. Let me know ASAP if
you want me to grab some of these.
73,
Wayne
WB4OGM
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From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Sat Dec 20 14:43:33 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat Dec 20 14:50:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26's
Message-ID: <0C5134A374D54E3DADCC377753550DB9@LARRYTIGHE>

Seemed to be some very nice, operational, Model 26's in Mr. Smith Goes to 
Washington.  The movie was made in 1939...were they the state-of-art for 
that year??  When did the Model 15 come out?

Larry
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec 20 19:27:45 2008
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Sat Dec 20 19:34:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] I found Part 3
References: <2540D8147D5B412AAE88E38864DE2AF5@JamesTanton>
Message-ID: <E44C7AA727284A30861788EF89FE3208@JamesTanton>

  I searched and found the missing Byte Part 3 of Budot to 
Computers.
  It is in High Resolution and I can only send probably 3 or 4
pages at a time.
  For now send me you requests.  As I said earlier we are leaving
here in Selma, AL early in the morning and going to Texas to
visit my families in Southeast, Central, East, North, and North-
east TX.  We will stop off also in Fouke, Ark. and then come
home.    We figure over 3000 miles all together.
  We will be gone for two or three weeks.  When we get settled
in at home I will send the Part 1, 2, and 3 of Baudot to Com-
puters.
  For you information the Byte issues are  April, May, and June
1977.  As Jim Haynes said he can find them in his local library.
  When I do send them please note as I recall a few months later
in Byte there was a correction on the schematic.  
                                     James Tanton 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lobasa" <lobasa@bellsouth.net>
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "James Tanton" <lobasa@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: We have to get this guy on ITTY


>I have had request for a copy of Byte's article on Baudot to
> Computers.  I tried sending it out and because of high resolution
> that is required, I will have to send three or four pages at a time.
>  We will be gone for Christmas and New Years to Texas.
> Sometime in January when we get settled in  I will send them
> to who wants them.  Let me explain I have Part 1 and Part 2 but
> not Part 3.  
>   But Part 1 and Part 2 gives an understanding about different
> TTY's and the theory of UART.
>                                       Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,
>                                       James Tanton
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lobasa" <lobasa@bellsouth.net>
> To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "James Tanton" <lobasa@bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25
> 
> 
>> He is probably using a UART to RS232 on computer.  Byte
>> Magazine in the April 1977 and May 1977 discussed this.
>>  For myself I would like to do this.  Heavy Metal has a program
>> but it is too complicated for my.  If it is a TTY machine I can
>> handle that but software is still a hassle for me.  I use Windows
>> XP Pro.  If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.
>>  Also If anyone wants a copy of the Byte article let me know.
>>                                        James Tanton
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:20:12 -0500
>>> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] We have to get this guy on ITTY...
>>> To: "Don Robert House" <k9tty@dls.net>, <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
>>> Message-ID: <1DC56ED5B8C8479BBB86104E3315C7EA@ljt>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=response
>>>
>>> What is that device he's using to go from the computer to key the tty 
>>> loop?
>> 
>>
>
From leanne at islc.net  Sat Dec 20 20:17:59 2008
From: leanne at islc.net (Leanne)
Date: Sat Dec 20 20:25:04 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] A treasure????
Message-ID: <72FA2830FFCE493082657338BD434B75@LeannePC>

When I was searching the garage today while doing a project, I came across a 
4"x4" circuit board that has the Twin-Tee AFSK unit that I put together in 
the late 60's. Somewhere out there buried in the pile of junque is the 
demodulator from the same period. It had a board that was about 5x6" and had 
two torriods, a couple capcitors, two diodes, several resistors and used a 
big audio transistor for loop keying. They were  all in a box 6"x4"x2". Both 
units were built from articles, I think, from 73 magazine. Not the best, but 
it got me on the air.

Leanne
W1WXS 

From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Dec 22 09:39:10 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon Dec 22 09:46:35 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
Message-ID: <000301c96443$0dc6ab40$295401c0$@net>

ZCZC

There's an item on Ebay (380084222466) that is made by Black Box.
It is an RS232-to-current-loop converter and the selling
price is $5.00 with 10 available. I "won" a few of these
last year and just got around to playing with them. (Since then,
I have also obtained a couple of related items: one unit has
16 converters in it and the other box has 8 in it...I'm set for
life!)

This gadget is capable of
converting RS232 signals to a 20 or 60 ma. loop, at up to
30 volts DC and vice versa. I have run one of my Model 28's directly
off this
interface...the 28 has a polar relay input. This converter will
not directly key TTY selector magnets reliably.

If a 12 VDC reed relay is wired to the loop output, its contacts
will easily key a 60 ma. HV loop. I suggest putting a resistor
and capacitor "snubber" across the relay's contacts. If you want
bidirectional RS232, you would put your keyboard into the
"send" loop connection which would be optioned for 60 ma. This
Requires the box to be optioned for four-wire loop control.
Or, you can option it for a two wire circuit. The reed
relay and keyboard would be wired in series across the loop input.
I used a relay out of my junk box.

For you telegraphers, this thing will also key a sounder;
you'd put your telegraph key in series with the sounder. If the
sounder doesn't work directly, then use the reed relay to key it.

You could interface one of these to a Bell 103-type modem and
put a TTY on a phone line. This would simulate the old
"D TWX" network.

By the way...making the output "solid state" with external parts and
a HV transistor would basically replicate the circuit you can use
WITHOUT this box to convert RS232 to key a loop. So, the reed relay
is the quickest/cheapest way to go. 

A final reminder....a WECO 255 polar relay, with its coils in series,
can also convert RS232 to key a loop. Just hook the relay to your
PC's COM port output and use the contacts to key your local loop
and TTY. Not exactly "mil spec", but I've been using this trick
for years with Heavymetal. After all...RS232 output is "polar".

73,

Jack K0TTY

NNNN









From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Mon Dec 22 11:01:44 2008
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Mon Dec 22 11:09:10 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
In-Reply-To: <000301c96443$0dc6ab40$295401c0$@net>
References: <000301c96443$0dc6ab40$295401c0$@net>
Message-ID: <494FB9E8.9010105@lightlink.com>

Jack wrote:
> ZCZC
> 
> There's an item on Ebay (380084222466) that is made by Black Box.
> It is an RS232-to-current-loop converter and the selling
> price is $5.00 with 10 available. I "won" a few of these
> last year and just got around to playing with them. (Since then,
> I have also obtained a couple of related items: one unit has
> 16 converters in it and the other box has 8 in it...I'm set for
> life!)

If you know the Black Box part numbers, you may still be able to find 
the documentation for them. They have manuals for many of their older 
devices in PDF files on their web site, or a request to their support 
line may produce a hard copy. I used to be on their mailing list, as we 
resold assorted converter boxes from them for many years. I don't know 
how many Telco Line Bridges, line drivers and RS232->485 converters we 
have bought and installed in the 22 years I have been working with them.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 22 12:01:36 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon Dec 22 12:09:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Milsurplus] small isolation XFMRs anyone? (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812221101160.3700@localhost.localdomain>




jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:56:23 -0500
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To: MILSURPLUS List <milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] small isolation XFMRs anyone?

All the available transformers have been spoken for.
--73
   Wayne
   WB4OGM
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From boatanchor at martasystems.com  Mon Dec 22 12:19:38 2008
From: boatanchor at martasystems.com (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
Date: Mon Dec 22 12:26:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28KSR with WU LESU
Message-ID: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANAEJAIOAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>

All -

I've acquired a 28KSR that contains a WesternUnion interface instead of the
normal LESU. I cannot find a part number on it. This interface has 1/4 (or
telco) jacks, and an empty relay socket labelled "Relay Subbase 202-A". I
don't know if it needs the relay. The interface contains a large Cinch
connector that goes to the stunt box, but I have not researched which
functions are performed by it. Also, the terminal board on the KSR base has
cut pigtails leading to the AC motor terminals, but the rest of the base
seems to be wired ok. Turning the power switch on does nothing.

Anyone got a schematic, or at least a good description of how this interface
works? Or, if anyone has a spare genuine LESU that can replace it, I'd be
interested...

Thanks
john WB6AZP



From hhg at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec 22 12:20:32 2008
From: hhg at suddenlink.net (Herb Graeber)
Date: Mon Dec 22 12:27:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
Message-ID: <D9E937F0B6FC41DBA362652E4318498F@haynsworth>

Thanks to Jack and Bob.  The manual can be downloaded fromwww.blackbox.co.uk/technical/manuals/C/CL050.pdf (Just don't ask anyone for a schematic.)73...Herb K5HGJack wrote:
> ZCZC
> 
> There's an item on Ebay (380084222466) that is made by Black Box.
> It is an RS232-to-current-loop converter and the selling
> price is $5.00 with 10 available. I "won" a few of these
> last year and just got around to playing with them. (Since then,
> I have also obtained a couple of related items: one unit has
> 16 converters in it and the other box has 8 in it...I'm set for
> life!)

If you know the Black Box part numbers, you may still be able to find 
the documentation for them. They have manuals for many of their older 
devices in PDF files on their web site, or a request to their support 
line may produce a hard copy. I used to be on their mailing list, as we 
resold assorted converter boxes from them for many years. I don't know 
how many Telco Line Bridges, line drivers and RS232->485 converters we 
have bought and installed in the 22 years I have been working with them.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
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From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Dec 22 12:24:05 2008
From: wa2hwj at att.net (wa2hwj@att.net)
Date: Mon Dec 22 12:31:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter Manual
Message-ID: <122220081724.3859.494FCD350008399C00000F1322243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBF069908CD0E99@att.net>

Thanks to Herb, K5HG, here's a link to the manual for the
Black Box interface converter. 

www.blackbox.co.uk/technical/manuals/C/CL050.pdf 

73,
Jack K0TTY
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Mon Dec 22 12:35:09 2008
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Mon Dec 22 12:42:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question for the group...
Message-ID: <07c101c9645b$a3b290c0$eb17b240$@net>

I have a M28 that my dad got somewhere along the way and I am thinking
of getting it up and running.

I remember looking into the cabinet a few years ago before it got
buried in the junque here in the basement and I do not remember seeing
a stunt box in it.  

Here is my question, does the M28 need the stunt box in it to
operate???  If so then where can I get one as I have never seen just
the stunt box available.

Joe Montano
N9VMO


From boatanchor at martasystems.com  Mon Dec 22 15:01:05 2008
From: boatanchor at martasystems.com (boatanchor@martasystems.com)
Date: Mon Dec 22 15:08:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28KSR with WU LESU
In-Reply-To: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANAEJAIOAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>
Message-ID: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANKEJGIOAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>

I just love this group! Looks like the problem is solved, with many thanks
to Jim Haynes.

Everyone have a Merry Christmas!
john wb6azp



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of
boatanchor@martasystems.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 17:20
To: Greenkeys@Mailman. Qth. Net
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28KSR with WU LESU


All -

I've acquired a 28KSR that contains a WesternUnion interface instead of the
normal LESU. I cannot find a part number on it. This interface has 1/4 (or
telco) jacks, and an empty relay socket labelled "Relay Subbase 202-A". I
don't know if it needs the relay. The interface contains a large Cinch
connector that goes to the stunt box, but I have not researched which
functions are performed by it. Also, the terminal board on the KSR base has
cut pigtails leading to the AC motor terminals, but the rest of the base
seems to be wired ok. Turning the power switch on does nothing.

Anyone got a schematic, or at least a good description of how this interface
works? Or, if anyone has a spare genuine LESU that can replace it, I'd be
interested...

Thanks
john WB6AZP



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From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 22 15:16:26 2008
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (bonamod@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Dec 22 15:23:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
Message-ID: <122220082016.12264.494FF59A0005E8F100002FE822243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>

Hi All

I am looking for a Model 35ASR anyone in the group know anyone that might be wanting to part with one?


I am willing to travel most of the east coast, well up to 1000 miles from SC.

Thanks


David




From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 22 15:18:01 2008
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (bonamod@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Dec 22 15:25:18 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR
Message-ID: <122220082018.16519.494FF5F9000D3BAA0000408722243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>

Hi All

I am looking for a Model 35ASR anyone in the group know anyone that might be 
wanting to part with one?


I am willing to travel most of the east coast, well up to 1000 miles from SC.

Thanks


David

From larryradio at att.net  Mon Dec 22 17:22:21 2008
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio@att.net)
Date: Mon Dec 22 17:30:04 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
References: <D9E937F0B6FC41DBA362652E4318498F@haynsworth>
Message-ID: <AA81457B299841F589D327357B39219D@dell3000>

Herb et.al.,

Re:  CL050 Black Box

I asked for the schematic....they said they'd send me papers to sign for a non-disclosure agreement...when signed, they'd send the print.

Never sent anything!  I should try again.

lar
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Herb Graeber 
  To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:20 PM
  Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter


Thanks to Jack and Bob.  The manual can be downloaded fromwww.blackbox.co.uk/technical/manuals/C/CL050.pdf (Just don't ask anyone for a schematic.)73...Herb K5HGJack wrote:
> ZCZC
> 
> There's an item on Ebay (380084222466) that is made by Black Box.
> It is an RS232-to-current-loop converter and the selling
> price is $5.00 with 10 available. I "won" a few of these
> last year and just got around to playing with them. (Since then,
> I have also obtained a couple of related items: one unit has
> 16 converters in it and the other box has 8 in it...I'm set for
> life!)

If you know the Black Box part numbers, you may still be able to find 
the documentation for them. They have manuals for many of their older 
devices in PDF files on their web site, or a request to their support 
line may produce a hard copy. I used to be on their mailing list, as we 
resold assorted converter boxes from them for many years. I don't know 
how many Telco Line Bridges, line drivers and RS232->485 converters we 
have bought and installed in the 22 years I have been working with them.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP


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From: weather at surfsouth.com (weather)
Date: Mon Dec 22 21:23:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] newbe here
Message-ID: <18299920.1229998585871.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Greeting to all and happy holidays.
This is my first posting on greenkeys.  Please be gentle!

My interest in RTTY and the mechanical marvels began at an early age of 12, when I saw a whole roomful of the beasts (15's, 19's and 28's) at an FAA installation.  By age 13 through the generosity of a local ham and MARS operator and a few dollars I acquired my first machine, a model 14, a radio and an fsk.  Right away I was copying WBR70 (24/7 weather data)out of Miami for many hours each day @ 60WPM.  I was hooked.

>From there, that led me from a tape printer to a page-printing model 12, then a model 15.  Eventually this led me into acquiring several surplus 19" fax recorders as well.  As the years went on and I moved from place to place for jobs, I was sadly forced to let my good "toys" go, one by one, to good homes.

I am not a ham operator, thus I have never done anything but copy signals.  My knowledge of electronics is VERY limited.  Now some 40 years later, and assuming I am living in what my be my final home, I have started re-living my childhood by re-collecting some of the toys I had years before.

Most recently...(and I publicly admit it!) I acquired the model 19 that was on ebay a few weeks ago in Green Bay, WI.  It arrived in fairly good condition.  I had been looking for a 19 for a while!  I will need to replace most all of the electric cords, most especially those going to the power supply, and what I guess to be a rectifier.

My current day collection consists of several other machines:  28RO, 28KSR, 28 ASR, 28 compact/table top, 15 KSR and now the 19.  I have also acquired several nice boat anchors R-1051B, and R-390a.

I am in hopes of getting my latest machine (the 19) up and operating.  I will need some help and direction to do this.  I have been on-line looking for information about the 19 and the table model I have.  So far I have found documentation that shows the power supply box WITH a tube rectifier unit inside it.  HOWEVER, mine is different.  My power supply DOES NOT have the rectifier in it.  I seem to have what appears to be some type of metal rectifier unit which is separate from the power supply.  I don't see anywhere it is supposed to be attached either to the power supply or onto the cabinet/table itself.  (I DO see where it appears that it should plug into the table/cabinet).  IS THE UNIT MEANT TO LAY ON TOP OF THE POWER SUPPLY OR IS IT TO JUST SIT ON THE FLOOR?

I am also perplexed by the various different-sized plugs and associated receptacles on the back of the table.  I assume these are to keep one from plugging the wrong cable into the wrong receptacle?
More directly, I guess I mean to clarify that (based on what a see wired on the power supply) everything is 100vAC/60 cycle line in, and beyond that the rectifier unit takes over to provide correct DC power for whatever unit T/D or perforator that requires DC?   Clearly, some explanation would help me here.  Again, the unit I have does not seem to match the documentation I have found on-line so far.

My final question FOR TODAY! deals with perforator tape.  Through some research on this site, I think I have the following information correct, but would appreciate confirmation.

11/16" tape is for 5-level/baudot machines?  1-inch tape is for 8 level?  The OILED TAPE is for keeping the pins(?) working on the perforators and T/Ds? and is preferred?

Thank you for taking the time to read my lengthy "preamble."  I will attempt to be more brief with future postings/questions now that I have introduced myself. 

David Rountree



From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 22 22:35:30 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon Dec 22 22:42:49 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] newbe here
In-Reply-To: <18299920.1229998585871.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18299920.1229998585871.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <49505C82.7010000@bellsouth.net>

David Roundtree wrote:

> Greeting to all and happy holidays.

Welcome to Greekeys!

I'll let those far more familiar with the 19 answer your questions on 
that - as I tend to only pay attention to 28s - nothing wrong with the 
others - I'm just particularly fond of the 28s and spend all my efforts 
in that single-minded direction (which also speaks to my limited 
capacity in dealing with such things).

Don't be shy about posting here - there's plenty of room, and not that 
much traffic. And you certainly aren't the only "non-ham" here (though 
in some cases some that are HAMs here can have their "Ham" title spelled 
both upper AND lower case (;>) --- <poke mode> Hi Jeff!!! </poke mode>

There are several people here that have a huge amount of knowledge and 
experience - not to mention a wealth of parts, and no small amount of 
help and generocity. So ask away!


again - welcome!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Mon Dec 22 22:52:22 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Mon Dec 22 22:59:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old QSO's
Message-ID: <122320080352.8641.4950607600024CB7000021C122218801869B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>

I put all of my 1976 RTTY QSO's for both AC0OGH and W0OGH into LOTW tonight.  There are also some DX contacts thru 1977 i added as well.  Surprised me when i got an immediate confirmation for a contact from WB8JBR back on 2 Jan 1976.  The only one.  

And by the way, i did work RTTY WAS in 1976.  Found a KH6 QSL card.  Them was the days!

I've got a couple thousand QSO's yet to log and it'll be work doing it but hopefully i'll get a lot more confirmations for QSO's.  Doesn't seem to be many people doing LOTW from the 80's.  Big wide open blank area there in my confirmations.  Course the 1976-1977 time frame isn't heavily populated either.  

After you get going with LOTW it is a neat program. I'd encourage everyone to use it.  Sure could make it easier to get those contacts confirmed.

Larry
W0OGH

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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Tue Dec 23 07:54:08 2008
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (kh-phillips@9-5usa.org)
Date: Tue Dec 23 08:01:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 tech. manual needed
Message-ID: <1477.67.142.130.25.1230036848.squirrel@9-5usa.org>

Does anyone have Vol. 2 of the Tech. Manual for the 28ASR?  It is Bulletin
270B, Navships 93788, 31W4-4-5-172.  Or, perhaps there is an equivalent
non-Navy publication.

Thanks and 73
Kevin
KE5CQJ

From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 21:58:10 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec 23 22:05:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
In-Reply-To: <000301c96443$0dc6ab40$295401c0$@net>
References: <000301c96443$0dc6ab40$295401c0$@net>
Message-ID: <0A1E10A2-B9A0-4C79-A6BF-B1B43275E196@gmail.com>

Thanks for sharing Jack!!

Don
K9TTY


On 22 Dec 2008, at 8:39 AM, Jack wrote:

ZCZC

There's an item on Ebay (380084222466) that is made by Black Box.
It is an RS232-to-current-loop converter and the selling
price is $5.00 with 10 available. I "won" a few of these
last year and just got around to playing with them. (Since then,
I have also obtained a couple of related items: one unit has
16 converters in it and the other box has 8 in it...I'm set for
life!)

This gadget is capable of
converting RS232 signals to a 20 or 60 ma. loop, at up to
30 volts DC and vice versa. I have run one of my Model 28's directly
off this
interface...the 28 has a polar relay input. This converter will
not directly key TTY selector magnets reliably.

If a 12 VDC reed relay is wired to the loop output, its contacts
will easily key a 60 ma. HV loop. I suggest putting a resistor
and capacitor "snubber" across the relay's contacts. If you want
bidirectional RS232, you would put your keyboard into the
"send" loop connection which would be optioned for 60 ma. This
Requires the box to be optioned for four-wire loop control.
Or, you can option it for a two wire circuit. The reed
relay and keyboard would be wired in series across the loop input.
I used a relay out of my junk box.

For you telegraphers, this thing will also key a sounder;
you'd put your telegraph key in series with the sounder. If the
sounder doesn't work directly, then use the reed relay to key it.

You could interface one of these to a Bell 103-type modem and
put a TTY on a phone line. This would simulate the old
"D TWX" network.

By the way...making the output "solid state" with external parts and
a HV transistor would basically replicate the circuit you can use
WITHOUT this box to convert RS232 to key a loop. So, the reed relay
is the quickest/cheapest way to go.

A final reminder....a WECO 255 polar relay, with its coils in series,
can also convert RS232 to key a loop. Just hook the relay to your
PC's COM port output and use the contacts to key your local loop
and TTY. Not exactly "mil spec", but I've been using this trick
for years with Heavymetal. After all...RS232 output is "polar".

73,

Jack K0TTY

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From jangus at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 22:04:57 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue Dec 23 22:12:20 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
Message-ID: <20081224.030457.630.3@STAY-85A77948LX>

> Thanks for sharing Jack!!
> 
> Don
> K9TTY

> There's an item on Ebay (380084222466) that is made by Black Box.
> 73,
> 
> Jack K0TTY

I bought three of them. That's kind of funny though, usually it's Randy  that 
ends up costing
me money. ;-)

Side note: The FAA approved sound foam is all installed on the Lorenz now. 
Looks good.

More to follow when I get the wiring straightened out and running in local as 
I want it.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 23 22:36:25 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Dec 23 22:43:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RS232 to Loop Converter
In-Reply-To: <20081224.030457.630.3@STAY-85A77948LX>
References: <20081224.030457.630.3@STAY-85A77948LX>
Message-ID: <4951AE39.2080601@bellsouth.net>

Jeffrey Angus wrote:

> I bought three of them. That's kind of funny though, usually it's Randy  that 
> ends up costing
> me money. ;-)

Hey, I bought the donuts last time! (well, OK Sherry bought the donuts - 
but still!)...

I'm still using a "naked" CL50 with a 24V loop supply to run my 28 - 
runs fine - in fact we copied AP (via HeavyMetal) for about an hour the 
other day - (couple of complete "circuits" of the news and "On this date 
in History) and it copied absolutely solid.

> Side note: The FAA approved sound foam is all installed on the Lorenz now. 
> Looks good.

Hopefully now the only thing making noise in the neighborhood are on 
final to LAX...

> More to follow when I get the wiring straightened out and running in local as 
> I want it.

I'm still wondering if it'll run on a low voltage loop source like the 
28 will...  That'd be a quick way to get that receipt printer on line...

best!
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Wed Dec 24 08:41:54 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed Dec 24 08:49:33 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] MJE340 HV xsistors
Message-ID: <05ED3CC0297B430CAE89E57D65712D74@LARRYTIGHE>

Jack,

Did you try hanging one of those MJE340 HV transisstors on the back end of 
the loop converter?  Can't the 30 VDC output of the CL050 be used to key the 
base and pass the 130 VDC thru the 340???  Or, did you lose the MJE340's in 
the move :>)


Larry
www.antiquetelephone.com 

From wb6blv at inreach.com  Wed Dec 24 08:45:53 2008
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV    (DM06))
Date: Wed Dec 24 08:53:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] MJE340
Message-ID: <012301c965cd$f17138c0$5888fea9@dwilegal>

Might be wise to put a snubber across the C-E of the MJE340; a reverse
connected diode, or the ole 470 ohm resistor in series with a 0.1 mfd
cap..... at least so far such measures have prevented my losing any 340s to
inductive spikes...

John

From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Wed Dec 24 08:49:43 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed Dec 24 08:57:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] MJE340
References: <012301c965cd$f17138c0$5888fea9@dwilegal>
Message-ID: <E9729D88E636418CA57939C7C261F401@LARRYTIGHE>

Good point John.....Jack was supposed to come up with a design....we'll just 
have to beat on him till he does.

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB6BLV (DM06)" <wb6blv@inreach.com>
To: <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 08:45
Subject: [GreenKeys] MJE340


> Might be wise to put a snubber across the C-E of the MJE340; a reverse
> connected diode, or the ole 470 ohm resistor in series with a 0.1 mfd
> cap..... at least so far such measures have prevented my losing any 340s 
> to
> inductive spikes...
>
> John
>
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From eugene at hertzmail.com  Wed Dec 24 12:03:21 2008
From: eugene at hertzmail.com (eugene@hertzmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 24 12:11:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 tech. manual needed
References: <1477.67.142.130.25.1230036848.squirrel@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A100269708A@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>

interesting. I also have volume 1 but no volume 2. 

________________________________

From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net on behalf of kh-phillips@9-5usa.org
Sent: Tue 12/23/2008 7:54 AM
To: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 tech. manual needed



Does anyone have Vol. 2 of the Tech. Manual for the 28ASR?  It is Bulletin
270B, Navships 93788, 31W4-4-5-172.  Or, perhaps there is an equivalent
non-Navy publication.

Thanks and 73
Kevin
KE5CQJ

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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Wed Dec 24 16:53:21 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Wed Dec 24 17:00:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Pix Run?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20081224165117.027a3cb0@incoming.verizon.net>

Forgive the question if this has been already mentioned on the list, but I 
don't recall seeing it.  Will there be another holiday ITTY pix run this 
year as there was last year on Christmas and New Year's?

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all on the list.

73,

Doug, KA2WFT

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From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Dec 24 19:09:09 2008
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec 24 19:16:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Pix Run?
Message-ID: <cdf.41e8253a.36842925@aol.com>

Hi Doug and all:

Apparently George is having  some trouble with ITTY. Something about double 
servers, or double domain  names.
Something I surely don't understand!!
  Sure hope it clears up, I would love to start sending pix!
 
73,
DE: Tom Tillson
All Things  Electromechanical.
ITTY
GREENKEYS
HEAVYMETAL
LL TTY
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 24 21:28:49 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed Dec 24 21:36:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Attention all GreenKeyers...
Message-ID: <4952EFE1.4020309@bellsouth.net>

Please click on this link for an important message (at least we think 
it's important!).

http://www.comcents.com/merrygreenkeys.jpg

our best wishes to all!!!!
-- 
randy & sherry guttery

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From jangus at socal.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 21:39:08 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Wed Dec 24 21:46:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Attention all GreenKeyers...
Message-ID: <20081225.023908.437.1@STAY-85A77948LX>

Oh man, I know that guy, I've seen him lurking over in my corner stealing my 
chips and salsa. 

Nice job Randy and Merry Christmas to both you and Sherry.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Thu Dec 25 11:29:16 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Thu Dec 25 11:36:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28ASR manual
Message-ID: <122520081629.8679.4953B4DC000521C3000021E722243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>

I've still got some 28 manuals out here someplace.  What would be the items covered in this particular manual?  Mine would be Bell System Practice types.

Larry
W0OGH

AND, Merry Xmas to all who believe in that.
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From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 25 12:21:43 2008
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Thu Dec 25 12:29:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 33KSR in St. Louis, MO
Message-ID: <C9367A899BE74D468F3C36190E17C1CB@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Everyone,

I have a model 33KSR for free in St. Louis, MO.  I have no clue if this machine works as it was given to me and I never plugged it in.  My garage is filling up with teletypes so something has to go (and I'm not an ASCII man).

Of course, if someone wants to pick it up, that would be great.  If not, I'll ship it if you can give me very specific instructions (e.g. how to separate the stand from the rest of the unit).  I am reasonably experience shipping heavy/fragile stuff.  I'll try to find free heavy boxes for this but if I can't, it might be just a few bucks to get appropriate sized boxes.  Shipping charge will only be what FEDEX ground charges (no markup on my part).

While I was taking the photos of this machine, I noticed that the cover was "cockeyed" on it.  In some of the photos, you will see that it's lifted up on the right side.  Half-way through the photos, I took the platen knob and line/local switch knob off and reseated the cover which explains why the cover looks tilted in some photos but in proper position in others.

Here are the photos:

http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0277.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0282.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0283.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0284.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0278.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0279.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0280.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0281.jpg

73 and happy holidays to all.

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule
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From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 25 12:53:14 2008
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Thu Dec 25 13:00:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 33KSR in St. Louis, MO has been taken!
References: <C9367A899BE74D468F3C36190E17C1CB@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <EC1C4E5C80514AADB1A7247FF5688FFC@dereka482e87c5>

Happy holidays to all.  The Model 33KSR has been spoken for!

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Derek Cohn/WB0TUA 
  To: Greenkeys ((E-mail)) 
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 11:21 AM
  Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 33KSR in St. Louis, MO


  Hi Everyone,

  I have a model 33KSR for free in St. Louis, MO.  I have no clue if this machine works as it was given to me and I never plugged it in.  My garage is filling up with teletypes so something has to go (and I'm not an ASCII man).

  Of course, if someone wants to pick it up, that would be great.  If not, I'll ship it if you can give me very specific instructions (e.g. how to separate the stand from the rest of the unit).  I am reasonably experience shipping heavy/fragile stuff.  I'll try to find free heavy boxes for this but if I can't, it might be just a few bucks to get appropriate sized boxes.  Shipping charge will only be what FEDEX ground charges (no markup on my part).

  While I was taking the photos of this machine, I noticed that the cover was "cockeyed" on it.  In some of the photos, you will see that it's lifted up on the right side.  Half-way through the photos, I took the platen knob and line/local switch knob off and reseated the cover which explains why the cover looks tilted in some photos but in proper position in others.

  Here are the photos:

  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0277.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0282.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0283.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0284.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0278.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0279.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0280.jpg
  http://www.mindspring.com/~vibroplex/IMG_0281.jpg

  73 and happy holidays to all.

  Derek Cohn
  Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
  Office UD, Sine DJ
  Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
  1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule


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From richardschumann at comcast.net  Thu Dec 25 17:50:28 2008
From: richardschumann at comcast.net (richard)
Date: Thu Dec 25 17:58:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
Message-ID: <88E68951E7A54F02B51A9CC94C0E8AE9@Brian80gig>

itty broken?...sniff...

12-25-08

kn7sfz

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From richardschumann at comcast.net  Thu Dec 25 18:25:26 2008
From: richardschumann at comcast.net (richard)
Date: Thu Dec 25 18:33:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <88E68951E7A54F02B51A9CC94C0E8AE9@Brian80gig>
Message-ID: <951DB44902FA4AB9B6A2D96ACD33C29A@Brian80gig>

Well, itty back now, but no copy...scope looks good, doesn't seem to be reversed...hmmm

richard kn7sfz

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richard 
  To: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:50 PM
  Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?


  itty broken?...sniff...

  12-25-08

  kn7sfz




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From: richardschumann at comcast.net (richard)
Date: Thu Dec 25 21:35:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty pix
Message-ID: <73664C4913F24AC6A7F5AE5347089951@Brian80gig>

Anybody out there in heavy metal world know of software that can translate pix sent by ittty to print on an old dot matrix printer?

Richard  kn7sfz

PS:  the printer is a very old Centronics and beleive me, it IS heavy metal!
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From jgibbs at infoserve.net  Fri Dec 26 01:26:31 2008
From: jgibbs at infoserve.net (John Gibbs)
Date: Fri Dec 26 01:34:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
Message-ID: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net>

Seems to be running at 50 baud Dec 25 2225 pst

John VE7BDQ



From comcents at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 26 11:37:05 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Fri Dec 26 11:44:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
In-Reply-To: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net>
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net>
Message-ID: <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>

John Gibbs wrote:
> Seems to be running at 50 baud Dec 25 2225 pst

That's what I'm seeing as well.  Until now - I've only copied itty to 
screen (MMTTY) - I've not tried to get it to the 28. But since it came 
up - I thought I'd see what it took to get it to print.  I don't see any 
way to set MMTTY to output to the serial port; I tried WWinPSK, but it 
doesn't copy right (which - from what I've read is because it's "set" at 
45 baud); - plus it doesn't "see" my serial port (at least it doesn't 
initialize it not output to it) - and I don't see any way to change 
that. Baud shim crashes at soon as you click on any button, etc. - so 
can't change it to 03F8 (vs. it's set 02F8) nor set any baud rate.  I 
could, of course - drag a CV-89 in to the office here,  - but before I 
drag even more "hobby stuff" in here (and chance irritating the boss) I 
though I'd ask what others are using to get itty to their greenkeys...

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Dec 26 12:42:36 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri Dec 26 12:50:10 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Print Problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20081226123544.03af3dd8@incoming.verizon.net>

ZCZC

Howdy all,

Wondering if someone among the knowledgeable GreenKeys masses out there 
knows a quick answer to this Model 15 RO problem I have.  I am more 
familiar with the 28s and find myself staring at the 15 not knowing where 
to start... I do have a couple of small manuals for the 15, but haven't dug 
into those yet.

This 15 RO is operating just fine, except that the type bars aren't making 
it to the ribbon and paper.  It spaces, shifts, the carriage returns 
properly, line feed works, etc. but the type bars just sort of feebly jump 
a bit and don't make it all the way up.  I am assuming (hoping) it's a 
simple adjustment somewhere.

This RO was operating fine when I first got it a couple of years ago and I 
haven't put too many hours on it.  I received it geared for 67 WPM and 
through the GreenKeyers last year I was able to get a 60 WPM gear set and a 
spring that it was missing.  It had its maiden run on 60 WPM during last 
year's ITTY pix run on New Year's Day but the type bars petered out after a 
short period of time and I haven't looked at it again until now.

Any thoughts of where I should be looking at this beastie to correct the 
problem?

Many thanks es 73,

Doug, KA2WFT

NNNN

From eugene at hertzmail.com  Fri Dec 26 12:51:13 2008
From: eugene at hertzmail.com (eugene@hertzmail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 26 12:59:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net> <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A100269708F@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>

> I though I'd ask what others are using to get itty to their greenkeys...

I just PC connect audio out to my ST6.
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Dec 26 13:00:06 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri Dec 26 13:07:38 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net> <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
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From KFIam640 at aol.com  Fri Dec 26 15:00:15 2008
From: KFIam640 at aol.com (KFIam640@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:08:12 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
Message-ID: <d47.37a3d039.368691cf@aol.com>

I feed computer audio output to my Dovetron MPC1000 to drive my Model  15.  
It reminds me of the old time sound of radio station newsrooms.
 
Marvin, W6OQI
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2008 9:52:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
eugene@hertzmail.com writes:

 
> I though I'd ask what others are using to get  itty to their greenkeys...

I just PC connect audio out to my  ST6.





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From larryradio at att.net  Fri Dec 26 15:09:30 2008
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio@att.net)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:17:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net> <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20081226125806.03a1f740@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3306CC07BD604EE483B8EA3F0E24040C@dell3000>

Hi Doug,

What does all this mean on your QRZ listing?
Find me on AO-27 and AO-51 during the summer months from EN95sm. 

lar
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From larryradio at att.net  Fri Dec 26 15:10:50 2008
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio@att.net)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:19:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <d47.37a3d039.368691cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3053CFA5F7584494B6503443E39126F7@dell3000>

Marv,  

WINS AM in NYC still uses a Model 15 in the background continuously....they're an all news station.  I ofter wonder how many of the listeners have any idea of what that sound effect represents  LOL

lar
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KFIam640@aol.com 
  To: eugene@hertzmail.com ; comcents@bellsouth.net 
  Cc: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] itty broken?


  I feed computer audio output to my Dovetron MPC1000 to drive my Model 15.  It reminds me of the old time sound of radio station newsrooms.

  Marvin, W6OQI


  In a message dated 12/26/2008 9:52:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, eugene@hertzmail.com writes:
    > I though I'd ask what others are using to get itty to their greenkeys...

    I just PC connect audio out to my ST6.


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From KFIam640 at aol.com  Fri Dec 26 15:16:53 2008
From: KFIam640 at aol.com (KFIam640@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:24:45 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
Message-ID: <d2b.40276179.368695b5@aol.com>

Larry, I am surprised that WINS still does the TTY sound effect.  KFWB  did 
it here for a long time but finally dropped it a number of years ago.   I wish 
I could remember when we stopped using Model 15 machines at KFI.  I  think it 
was in the late seventies when the Extel machines were put in use by  AP.  
Sometime in the late eighties KFI went to satellite delivered news  from AP which 
fed a computer where the news was stored.  The news  staff eventually started 
reading their news from the computer displays  along with some printouts.  I 
am sure you are correct that many of today's  listeners do not know what the 
sound effect represents.
 
Marvin, W6OQI
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2008 12:11:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
larryradio@att.net writes:

Marv,  
 
WINS AM in NYC still uses a Model 15 in the background  
continuously....they're an all news station.  I ofter wonder how many of  the listeners have any 
idea of what that sound effect represents   LOL
 
lar

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _KFIam640@aol.com_ (mailto:KFIam640@aol.com)  
To: _eugene@hertzmail.com_ (mailto:eugene@hertzmail.com)  ; 
_comcents@bellsouth.net_ (mailto:comcents@bellsouth.net)  
Cc: _GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net)  
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:00  PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] itty  broken?


I feed computer audio output to my Dovetron MPC1000 to drive my Model  15.  
It reminds me of the old time sound of radio station  newsrooms.
 
Marvin, W6OQI
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2008 9:52:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
_eugene@hertzmail.com_ (mailto:eugene@hertzmail.com)  writes:

 
> I though I'd ask what others are using to  get itty to their greenkeys...

I just PC connect audio out to my  ST6.





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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Dec 26 15:21:12 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:28:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
In-Reply-To: <3306CC07BD604EE483B8EA3F0E24040C@dell3000>
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net> <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20081226125806.03a1f740@incoming.verizon.net>
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Dec 26 15:27:15 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:34:43 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Print Problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081226123544.03af3dd8@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20081226152242.03a330b8@incoming.verizon.net>

At 12:42 PM 12/26/2008 -0500, I wrote:
>Wondering if someone among the knowledgeable GreenKeys masses out there 
>knows a quick answer to this Model 15 RO problem I have.


Thanks to a couple of off-list responses I got pointed in the right 
direction with my 15 RO.  I was pointed to the print bail tension 
adjustment, which was not the problem.  It appeared to be a lubrication 
problem, but not in just one place.  Operating the print bail by hand I 
found the mechanism to be very, nay extremely, sticky.  Watching what moved 
where I applied oil on any/all pivot points and let it flow in and 
exercised it with the ITTY feed and slowly it started printing again.

I need to pull out the appropriate lube/adjust manual and do a proper oil & 
lube on it, but ofr now it is printing again.

Many thanks for the replies, as always the list comes through!

73,

Doug, KA2WFT


From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 26 15:32:52 2008
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Fri Dec 26 15:38:30 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net>
	<49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net><5.1.0.14.2.20081226125806.03a1f740@incoming.verizon.net>
	<3306CC07BD604EE483B8EA3F0E24040C@dell3000>
Message-ID: <016b01c96799$208a94e0$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <larryradio@att.net>
To: "Doug Alderdice" <ka2wft@arrl.net>; <eugene@hertzmail.com>; 
<comcents@bellsouth.net>
Cc: <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] itty broken?


Hi Doug,

What does all this mean on your QRZ listing?
Find me on AO-27 and AO-51 during the summer months from EN95sm.

lar
K2JIA


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AO-27 and AO-51 are ham radio satellites.  For more info go to amsat.org.

EN95sm is a grid square locator.  It is mainly used on VHF and above to 
indicate where someone is.  Instead of collecting states or countries, many 
VHF and above operators collect grid squares.  Usually just the EN95 would 
be exchanged.  The world is devided into a bunch of rectangles (instead of 
squares) .  You can look for grid square maps on the internet.

>From the ARRL web page:

An instrument of the Maidenhead Locator System (named after the town outside 
London where it was first conceived by a meeting of European VHF managers in 
1980), a grid square measures 1? latitude by 2? longitude and measures 
approximately 70 ? 100 miles in the continental US. A grid square is 
indicated by two letters (the field) and two numbers (the square), as in 
FN31, the grid square within which W1AW, ARRL's Maxim Memorial Station, 
resides.

Each subsquare is designated by the addition of two letters after the grid 
square, as FN44IG. These more precise locators are used as part of the 
exchange in the 10-GHz contest. They measure 2.5 minutes latitude by 5 
minutes longitude, roughly corresponding to 3 ? 4 miles in the continental 
US.





From henning at teleprinter.net  Fri Dec 26 16:20:40 2008
From: henning at teleprinter.net (Henning DF3OE)
Date: Fri Dec 26 16:28:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] LEGO Teletype
Message-ID: <75e5fca50812261320ue133656r52733a5faa6b72a0@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.g7smy.co.uk/?lego/baudot


enjoy :-)

73, Henning DF3OE

www.teleprinter.net
From wb0cte at netscape.net  Fri Dec 26 18:13:53 2008
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte@netscape.net)
Date: Fri Dec 26 18:21:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
In-Reply-To: <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
References: <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <8CB35C6C1329A2E-E9C-B2B@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com>

Just run mmtty into your ST6 or Flesher or whatever










-----Original Message-----

From: Randy or Sherry Guttery &lt;comcents@bellsouth.net&gt;

Cc: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net

Sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:37 am

Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] itty broken?





John Gibbs wrote:?

&gt; Seems to be running at 50 baud Dec 25 2225 pst?

?

That's what I'm seeing as well. Until now - I've only copied itty to screen (MMTTY) - I've not tried to get it to the 28. But since it came up - I thought I'd see what it took to get it to print. I don't see any way to set MMTTY to output to the serial port; I tried WWinPSK, but it doesn't copy right (which - from what I've read is because it's "set" at 45 baud); - plus it doesn't "see" my serial port (at least it doesn't initialize it not output to it) - and I don't see any way to change that. Baud shim crashes at soon as you click on any button, etc. - so can't change it to 03F8 (vs. it's set 02F8) nor set any baud rate. I could, of course - drag a CV-89 in to the office here, - but before I drag even more "hobby stuff" in here (and chance irritating the boss) I though I'd ask what others are using to get itty to their greenkeys...?

?

best regards...?

-- randy guttery?

?

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews?

so vital to the United States Silent Service:?

http://tendertale.com?

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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 19:07:28 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec 26 19:15:18 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Print Problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081226123544.03af3dd8@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20081226123544.03af3dd8@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C4BA7C4B-803D-4F72-B5F5-B35D6CE49FB1@gmail.com>

HI Doug,

LIke you I am more comfortable with more modern Teletype machines.  I  
had a similar problem with a M14 Typing Reperf and also on a 2B Strip  
Printer.
I my cases the problem was solved by carefully cleaning the comb that  
holds the type bars with mineral spirits and a tooth brush.  Then  
after freeing the bars up, lubricating with Lube One (or is it One  
Lube?)

Good luck.  George Hutchison probably has more advice, but at last  
contact he was having trouble with his email servers.

Don, K9TTY


On 26 Dec 2008, at 11:42 AM, Doug Alderdice wrote:

ZCZC

Howdy all,

Wondering if someone among the knowledgeable GreenKeys masses out  
there knows a quick answer to this Model 15 RO problem I have.  I am  
more familiar with the 28s and find myself staring at the 15 not  
knowing where to start... I do have a couple of small manuals for the  
15, but haven't dug into those yet.

This 15 RO is operating just fine, except that the type bars aren't  
making it to the ribbon and paper.  It spaces, shifts, the carriage  
returns properly, line feed works, etc. but the type bars just sort of  
feebly jump a bit and don't make it all the way up.  I am assuming  
(hoping) it's a simple adjustment somewhere.

This RO was operating fine when I first got it a couple of years ago  
and I haven't put too many hours on it.  I received it geared for 67  
WPM and through the GreenKeyers last year I was able to get a 60 WPM  
gear set and a spring that it was missing.  It had its maiden run on  
60 WPM during last year's ITTY pix run on New Year's Day but the type  
bars petered out after a short period of time and I haven't looked at  
it again until now.

Any thoughts of where I should be looking at this beastie to correct  
the problem?

Many thanks es 73,

Doug, KA2WFT

NNNN

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From RLAAG at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 26 19:45:02 2008
From: RLAAG at pacbell.net (RLAAG@pacbell.net)
Date: Fri Dec 26 19:52:44 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty address
Message-ID: <122720080045.15565.49557A8E000C064700003CCD22218865869B0A02D204040A0D0C0E9FBFB9BEBEB4AD@att.net>

i cant" remember what the address is to tell winamp to find itty>>>
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 20:05:38 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec 26 20:13:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty pix
In-Reply-To: <73664C4913F24AC6A7F5AE5347089951@Brian80gig>
References: <73664C4913F24AC6A7F5AE5347089951@Brian80gig>
Message-ID: <D6F27A6C-CC79-4612-B86E-361468B04167@gmail.com>

The InfoTech M-6000 has a Centronics parallel output that will output  
to any IEEE compatible printer.

Don K9TTY


On 25 Dec 2008, at 8:27 PM, richard wrote:

Anybody out there in heavy metal world know of software that can  
translate pix sent by ittty to print on an old dot matrix printer?

Richard  kn7sfz

PS:  the printer is a very old Centronics and beleive me, it IS heavy  
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From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Fri Dec 26 20:09:20 2008
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny@eskimo.com)
Date: Fri Dec 26 20:17:08 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] LEGO Teletype
In-Reply-To: <75e5fca50812261320ue133656r52733a5faa6b72a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <75e5fca50812261320ue133656r52733a5faa6b72a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49558040.3070405@eskimo.com>

Funny thing is that back in the late 60's I knew the BAUDOT
code so well I could have actually used one of those LEGO
keyboards without much trouble.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC



Henning DF3OE wrote:
> http://www.g7smy.co.uk/?lego/baudot
> 
> enjoy :-)
> 
> 73, Henning DF3OE
> 
> www.teleprinter.net
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                  | God may have been waiting for centuries for somebody
                  | ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing.
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 20:27:09 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri Dec 26 20:34:57 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty address
In-Reply-To: <122720080045.15565.49557A8E000C064700003CCD22218865869B0A02D204040A0D0C0E9FBFB9BEBEB4AD@att.net>
References: <122720080045.15565.49557A8E000C064700003CCD22218865869B0A02D204040A0D0C0E9FBFB9BEBEB4AD@att.net>
Message-ID: <C3B2ADE1-085E-4F3B-9C05-59621EED6DBF@gmail.com>

HI BOB

Here you go:  207.207.72.32:8000

Don
On 26 Dec 2008, at 6:45 PM, RLAAG@pacbell.net wrote:

i cant" remember what the address is to tell winamp to find itty>>>
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 26 20:33:40 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Fri Dec 26 20:41:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
In-Reply-To: <495571B9.5020102@infoserve.net>
References: <49547917.4090407@infoserve.net> <49550831.9050204@bellsouth.net>
	<495571B9.5020102@infoserve.net>
Message-ID: <495585F4.80302@bellsouth.net>

John Gibbs wrote:
> Hello Randy...
> 
> MMtty will work as a baudot speed converter and buffer for a model 28.
> To get started --- click on Option, then setup TNC emulation
> Select the com port you want the data to appear
> Select TNC type eg:  Baudot  modem  
> 
> It's been awhile since I have tried this... hope this gives you some ideas
> 
> 73  John / VE7BDQ

http://www.comcents.com/itty122608.jpg

bingo..!  As this shows - it *almost* copied at 60WPM - reach back to 
the ol' shift lever - *click* - and it locked right in!  Thanks John - 
and as the note from Sequim says "Merry Christmas!"

best regards...
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From k7tty at readysetsurf.com  Fri Dec 26 21:18:20 2008
From: k7tty at readysetsurf.com (William Bytheway)
Date: Fri Dec 26 21:25:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty pix
Message-ID: <000001c967c9$63a75d50$9f01a8c0@SMALLFRY>

Most pictures from ITTY can be found at
http://www.rtty.com/gallery/gallery.htm . 

For printing and retaining overstrike have you tried the old dos command
(prints to default LPT1)?

	 print c:\myfilename.txt 

What is desired is an application that does not interpret and expand <CR>
and <LF> characters to the <CR><LF> sequence.  

Years ago I wrote RTTYArt, it captures text received in BAUDOT or ASCII mode
from a serial port (COM1-COM4) and allows you to save it to a text file
while retaining the original <CR> and <LF>  sequence with overstrike.  It
does not print to LPT1, but COM1 thru COM4 in either ASCII or BAUDOT.
http://207.207.72.42/development/software/ . 

73,
K7TTY

> On 25 Dec 2008, at 8:27 PM, richard wrote:
> 
> Anybody out there in heavy metal world know of software that can  
> translate pix sent by ittty to print on an old dot matrix printer?
> 
> Richard  kn7sfz

From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Fri Dec 26 21:31:09 2008
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills)
Date: Fri Dec 26 21:55:11 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty broken?
References: <d2b.40276179.368695b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c967cd$68c753e0$8301a8c0@MAIN>

The local all news station in Philadelphia (KYW) still has the TTY 
background.  (Actually, I should listen to verify that.  It's so 
"subliminal" that you don't notice it unless you listen for it.)  I know it 
was there the last time I listened.

PDW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KFIam640@aol.com>
To: <larryradio@att.net>; <eugene@hertzmail.com>; <comcents@bellsouth.net>
Cc: <GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] itty broken?


> Larry, I am surprised that WINS still does the TTY sound effect.  KFWB 
> did
> it here for a long time but finally dropped it a number of years ago.   I 
> wish
> I could remember when we stopped using Model 15 machines at KFI.  I  think 
> it
> was in the late seventies when the Extel machines were put in use by  AP.
> Sometime in the late eighties KFI went to satellite delivered news  from 
> AP which
> fed a computer where the news was stored.  The news  staff eventually 
> started
> reading their news from the computer displays  along with some printouts. 
> I
> am sure you are correct that many of today's  listeners do not know what 
> the
> sound effect represents.
>
> Marvin, W6OQI
>
>
> In a message dated 12/26/2008 12:11:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> larryradio@att.net writes:
>
> Marv,
>
> WINS AM in NYC still uses a Model 15 in the background
> continuously....they're an all news station.  I ofter wonder how many of 
> the listeners have any
> idea of what that sound effect represents   LOL
>
> lar
> 

From wb0cte at netscape.net  Sat Dec 27 10:26:08 2008
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte@netscape.net)
Date: Sat Dec 27 10:34:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty address
In-Reply-To: <C3B2ADE1-085E-4F3B-9C05-59621EED6DBF@gmail.com>
References: <C3B2ADE1-085E-4F3B-9C05-59621EED6DBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB364E93348A60-838-F09@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com>

although you can still receive itty, it has been impossible to get anything new sent in since about last Monday, so the news that is running is at least a week old.










-----Original Message-----

From: Don Robert House &lt;Packard42@gmail.com&gt;

To: RLAAG@pacbell.net

Cc: GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net

Sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 7:27 pm

Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] itty address





HI BOB?

?

Here you go: 207.207.72.32:8000?

?

Don?

On 26 Dec 2008, at 6:45 PM, RLAAG@pacbell.net wrote:?

?

i cant" remember what the address is to tell winamp to find itty&gt;&gt;&gt;?

_______________________________________________?

GreenKeys mailing list?

GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net?

http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys?

?

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From ddillman at igc.org  Sat Dec 27 14:37:33 2008
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Sat Dec 27 14:45:19 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reminder: Mini Night of Nights - KLB to be on MF!
Message-ID: <6594149.1230406653221.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Here's a reminder that K6KPH will be participating in Straight Key Night and KSM will be conducting a mini Night of Nights on New Year's Eve.

New information: Coast station KLB will be active on MF!

Here's a chance to listen for two commercial coast stations on MF and KSM on HF during hours we are not normally on the air.  KSM will use both CW and RTTY.

For details on times, modes and frequencies please see:

http://www.radiomarine.org/

VY 73,

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman, W6AWO
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================
From w7tty at readysetsurf.com  Sat Dec 27 22:32:07 2008
From: w7tty at readysetsurf.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sat Dec 27 22:39:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Problems
Message-ID: <001501c9689c$dc59a860$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>

GreenKeyers - - -

ITTY is not broken, but the internet is!!!

I lost all e-mail input about 20 December.

ITTY was still functional for a time because the address that worked 
was itty@207.207.72.32.

I personally have not been able to send things to ITTY at that 
address, or ITTY@readysetsurf for about four months.

The problem appears to revolve around the fact that my original 
privider, readysetsurf.com, has been sold to several owners in a 
series of transactions that resulted in control going from Seattle to 
Dallas, one side of town in Dallas to another side of town in Dallas, 
from Dallas to I think Ohio, and now to the present owner, 
Sitestar.net, based in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Control and understanding seemed to go by the wayside, as the newer 
owners seemed to have no clue as to how the previous owners were 
doing things.

Last week the DNS - Domain Name Server(s) - for readysetsurf.com just 
"went away", as Bill Bytheway phrased it.

He got the information that there was a new DNS for readysetsurf.com 
and I immediately changed all the settings here to the new addresses, 
and got e-mail back.

ITTY@207.207.72.32 still works within readysetsurf.com, but is not 
accessible from the rest of the world. Bill keeps the circuit up by 
loading his old test files, blond jokes, and etc. into the system, 
but that isn't the same as what we once were able to do.

Today I approached the biggest of the local internet providers and 
found that I can get a static IP, e-mail and so forth for about the 
same cost as with readysetsurf.com, and have everything local so if 
something screws up I can run down to their facility and beat my fist 
on the counter and get some immediate attention.

I have not been able to devote much time to ITTY as of late because I 
have been wrapping up my short, second career with Rockwell-Collins. 
Yesterday was my last day, and now I am back home permanently and can 
now devote a lot of time to all of the toys.

ITTY will soon be back up to snuff, and hopefully much better than 
before.

George - W7TTY - ITTY Central



From k1lky at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 27 22:44:54 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sat Dec 27 22:53:02 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY Problems
In-Reply-To: <001501c9689c$dc59a860$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>
References: <001501c9689c$dc59a860$0500a8c0@MAINCOMP>
Message-ID: <F7D90CB2-0C56-498A-8C1F-3AF1984D0EB8@earthlink.net>


On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:32 PM, George B. Hutchison wrote:...
>
> ... I have been wrapping up my short, second career with Rockwell- 
> Collins. Yesterday was my last day, and now I am back home  
> permanently and can now devote a lot of time to all of the toys.

George,

I hope the change in "careers" is to your liking.

And THANKS for all you do with ITTY

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From al.e.murray at uwrf.edu  Mon Dec 29 07:26:59 2008
From: al.e.murray at uwrf.edu (Al Murray)
Date: Mon Dec 29 07:35:34 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] itty pix
In-Reply-To: <D6F27A6C-CC79-4612-B86E-361468B04167@gmail.com>
References: <73664C4913F24AC6A7F5AE5347089951@Brian80gig>
	<D6F27A6C-CC79-4612-B86E-361468B04167@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4958C213.2010209@uwrf.edu>

Any on got a diagram of an interface for the UGC-77 keyboard to get
back 60 MA??
AL K9ZMA

Don Robert House wrote:
> The InfoTech M-6000 has a Centronics parallel output that will output 
> to any IEEE compatible printer.
>
> Don K9TTY
>
>
> On 25 Dec 2008, at 8:27 PM, richard wrote:
>
> Anybody out there in heavy metal world know of software that can 
> translate pix sent by ittty to print on an old dot matrix printer?
>  
> Richard  kn7sfz
>  
> PS:  the printer is a very old Centronics and beleive me, it IS heavy 
> metal!
> _______________________________________________
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> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>   
From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Mon Dec 29 12:38:59 2008
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Mon Dec 29 12:47:05 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] it's not a teletype, but close!
Message-ID: <c290a4d30812290938u59f51406ob6ee3acf7a6ab6eb@mail.gmail.com>

Check out this item on eBay - I wish I had the money to buy it. Mint
condition! What a find.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297753368
From amourdutigre at kc.rr.com  Mon Dec 29 18:03:35 2008
From: amourdutigre at kc.rr.com (amourdutigre)
Date: Mon Dec 29 18:12:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
Message-ID: <005e01c96a09$ae226770$74731a41@win06v5>

Check out this item on eBay - I wish I had the money to buy it. Mint
condition! What a find.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297753368

My very first computer programing experiance was on just one of those keypunch units, only it was a very ratty on compared to this brand new in the box unit. I was learning fortran 4 at the University of Missouri in the summer of 1980, the year St Helens blew her stack. Never will I forget that time in my life. Had a blast. The key punch room was on one side of the campus, the card reader facility was somewhere else, and the line printer was at yet a third location. At the start of the session, we had to buy the text book, three cases of cards, and a box of wide rubber bands.

I was all of sixteen at the time, and discovered a whole lot more than the joys of computer programming. ;-)

I have a funny hunch that the seller of this keypunch will not get what they want for it. 

Best and 73,

Joe KB0TXC
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:19:18 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Dec 29 18:27:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-77 Compact 28/32 KSR
In-Reply-To: <4958C213.2010209@uwrf.edu>
References: <73664C4913F24AC6A7F5AE5347089951@Brian80gig>
	<D6F27A6C-CC79-4612-B86E-361468B04167@gmail.com>
	<4958C213.2010209@uwrf.edu>
Message-ID: <1ED1539A-ECA3-4C87-9B6D-FE491F046E60@gmail.com>

Al,
The UGC-77 uses a model 32 keyboard which outputs PARALLEL contact  
closures. The parallel signals are converted to serial by a  
distributor using miniature lamps and photocells.
The UGC-77 was designed for a USN TEMPEST application which requires  
the gold electrical service unit.  The only resource guy I am aware of  
that knows these machines well is Jack Hart.

Good luck,

Don
K9TTY


On 29 Dec 2008, at 6:26 AM, Al Murray wrote:

Any on got a diagram of an interface for the UGC-77 keyboard to get
back 60 MA??
AL K9ZMA

Don Robert House wrote:
> The InfoTech M-6000 has a Centronics parallel output that will  
> output to any IEEE compatible printer.
>
> Don K9TTY
>
>
> On 25 Dec 2008, at 8:27 PM, richard wrote:
>
> Anybody out there in heavy metal world know of software that can  
> translate pix sent by ittty to print on an old dot matrix printer?
> Richard  kn7sfz
> PS:  the printer is a very old Centronics and beleive me, it IS  
> heavy metal!
> _______________________________________________
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> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net>
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:27:17 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Dec 29 18:35:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] it's not a teletype, but close!
In-Reply-To: <c290a4d30812290938u59f51406ob6ee3acf7a6ab6eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c290a4d30812290938u59f51406ob6ee3acf7a6ab6eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB4FE3A3-FBFF-45BA-87F1-4774059B0972@gmail.com>

I picked up one of these monsters in Ohio for the museum in California  
and delivered it.
It took 4 of us to lift it out of the donator's basement.  Not sure  
what anyone could do with these any more.

Don


On 29 Dec 2008, at 11:38 AM, Bryan Brodie wrote:

Check out this item on eBay - I wish I had the money to buy it. Mint
condition! What a find.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297753368
_______________________________________________
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From Til128 at aol.com  Mon Dec 29 19:25:55 2008
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 29 19:33:59 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] it's not a teletype, but close!
Message-ID: <ca0.4600d567.368ac493@aol.com>

GONE! With buy it now---someone wanted  it....


73,
DE: Tom Tillson
All Things  Electromechanical.
ITTY
GREENKEYS
HEAVYMETAL
LL TTY
NNNN  

**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, 
Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Mon Dec 29 19:38:07 2008
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Mon Dec 29 19:45:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] it's not a teletype, but close!
In-Reply-To: <ca0.4600d567.368ac493@aol.com>
References: <ca0.4600d567.368ac493@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014401c96a16$e3d631a0$ab8294e0$@net>

I know that the last company I worked for had one and someone in
Germany wanted it for a museum over there.

Boss man didn't want the hassle of crating it and finding an
international shipper.  The last I knew it was in a storage unit never
to be seen again.

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Til128@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 19:26
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] it's not a teletype, but close!

GONE! With buy it now---someone wanted  it....


73,
DE: Tom Tillson
All Things  Electromechanical.
ITTY
GREENKEYS
HEAVYMETAL
LL TTY
NNNN  

**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL
Mail, 
Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 20:53:32 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon Dec 29 21:01:54 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] it's not a teletype, but close!
In-Reply-To: <ca0.4600d567.368ac493@aol.com>
References: <ca0.4600d567.368ac493@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2C539493-CBFF-4F69-BFE4-15B32D30AC91@gmail.com>

Fools and their money...


On 29 Dec 2008, at 6:25 PM, Til128@aol.com wrote:

GONE! With buy it now---someone wanted  it....


73,
DE: Tom Tillson
All Things  Electromechanical.
ITTY
GREENKEYS
HEAVYMETAL
LL TTY
NNNN

**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,
Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.
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)
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From c6aniportnelson at batelnet.bs  Mon Dec 29 23:42:15 2008
From: c6aniportnelson at batelnet.bs (Cold Old Stone Crab)
Date: Mon Dec 29 23:50:15 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] WANTED SSB ADAPTER and or SSB CONVERTER
Message-ID: <71B8AAF592704126A1E61B5CFA72D263@fleabag>

Looking for, complete with manual, no missing parts and totally free of rust; a CV-1982/TSC-26; a TMC GSB-1; aCentral Electronics  Sideband Slicer "B" model; a B & W 370 SSB Adapter. 

Expected would be full details on any modification done to the unit. Shipping shall be to a U.S. address and not to C6 land,

Most grateful for any and all help and suggestions in the acquisitions of said units; thank you.
Vy 73,
C6ANI, Ric
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From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 00:00:36 2008
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Tue Dec 30 00:08:51 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fw: [RTTY]  RTTY WELCOME DAY - 01 JANUARY 2009
Message-ID: <04f201c96a3b$96b5c780$1000a8c0@inet>

Okay gang, here's your chance to get the metal monsters on
the air and have a bit of fun.  You might also check out the
SARTG New Year RTTY Party   www.sartg.com
Fun little contest that isn't serious, curl up with your favorite
adult beverage an say HNY to the world.

Ron  K0IDT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Sussman" <psussman@pactor.com>
To: "RTTY Contesting" <rtty@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: [RTTY] RTTY WELCOME DAY - 01 JANUARY 2009


> Just a quick reminder that 01-JAN-09 will be here soon:
> 
>     RTTY WELCOME DAY
>     01 JANUARY 2009
>     ALL DAY LONG
> 
> Meet and greet other RTTY operators.
> No hours, No rules, No score, No pressure, No quota, No log needed.
> Any band*, Any contact, Any time, Any power, Any equipment, Any antenna.
> Have a short exchange or a rag-chew -  whatever suits you.
> Help others find joy in RTTY for the first time, or the thousandth time.
> 
> (*) = Authorized amateur radio sub-bands, of course.
>  
> PLEASE SPREAD THE NEWS. 
> 
>    RTTY WELCOME DAY
>    01 JANUARY 2009
>    ALL DAY LONG
> 
> 73 - de Phil - N8PS
> RTTY Welcome Day Cheerleader
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> RTTY mailing list
> RTTY@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty

From amourdutigre at kc.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 00:18:15 2008
From: amourdutigre at kc.rr.com (amourdutigre)
Date: Tue Dec 30 00:27:28 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
Message-ID: <003c01c96a3e$04fe2190$74731a41@win06v5>

Hi,

I have a question that I really cannot find an answer for.

In my readings about electromechanical TTY units, I keep seeing something called a polar relay being referred to. I googled this, and found that it is a device that can be used to revers the polarity on a landline telegraph circuit (not the local loop). Also, most of what little I could find had to do with hand (Morse) telegraphy, nothing with TTY.

I have even seen polar relays referred to in amateur RTTY material from the fifties and sixties.

What were these used for? I found one (I guess, the seller called it a "rolar relay, I suspect a mistype) on e-pay for well over a hundred bucks.

Thank you in advance,

Best and 73,

Joe KB0TXC
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From jangus at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 01:27:42 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Tue Dec 30 01:35:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
In-Reply-To: <003c01c96a3e$04fe2190$74731a41@win06v5>
References: <003c01c96a3e$04fe2190$74731a41@win06v5>
Message-ID: <4959BF5E.9020503@socal.rr.com>

amourdutigre wrote:
> I keep seeing something called a polar relay being referred to.

The magnets in your TTY machine, and most "normal" relays are operated
by on and off current. Or what is called "on off" keying. The selector
magnet
in a TTY machine is normally "unenergized" in the space position. And when
energized it is in the mark position. Typically with 60 ma of current to
cause
it to actuate.

In a polar circuit, it has three states. On one way, on the other way,
and off
(in the middle) which is sort of a disallowed condition.

For example, 20 mA positive current causes the relay to close in the mark
condition. Reversing the current in the opposite direction causes the relay
to swing over to the space condition.

The idea behind polar keying was to require current to be flowing for both
the mark and space signal, not JUST in the mark condition. And of course,
the lack of any current was detected and acted upon as a fault condition.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From WA5CAB at cs.com  Tue Dec 30 01:39:20 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Tue Dec 30 01:47:29 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
Message-ID: <c1a.4cf1e168.368b1c18@cs.com>

Joe,

An ordinary DC relay uses some mechanical means, usually a spring, to set the 
OFF state of armature in the relay.  Running the proper current through the 
coil changes the relay to the ON state.  Turn the current off and the relay 
returns to it's OFF or resting state.  A polar relay armature moves one way if 
the current is of one polarity and the other if the polarity is reversed.  A 
polar relay (or at least some of them) can also be keyed by a neutral circuit if 
it has a bias coil to set the OFF state of the neutral loop.  They were 
commonly found in Teletype sets into the 50's, and in things like regenerative relay 
units or repeaters.

It is incorrect or misleading to say that a polar relay reverses the polarity 
of a landline.  Reversing the polarity on the landline switches the polar 
relay.  Although you could certainly use a polar relay to do the line reversal, 
you can also use a normal DPDT relay to do it.  But the normal DPDT relay would 
not be usable at the other end of the line.  It would just stay ON.

$100 is excessive.  They generally go for I'll say $10-$25 in as-is where-is 
condition.  Freshly calibrated they would probably be more but few have the 
equipment to do that and some who do lack the time.

In a message dated 12/29/2008 11:19:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
amourdutigre@kc.rr.com writes: 
> I have a question that I really cannot find an answer for.
>   
>  In my readings about electromechanical TTY units, I keep seeing something 
> called a polar relay being referred to. I googled this, and found that it is a 
> device that can be used to revers the polarity on a landline telegraph 
> circuit (not the local loop). Also, most of what little I could find had to do 
> with hand (Morse) telegraphy, nothing with TTY.
>   
>  I have even seen polar relays referred to in amateur RTTY material from the 
> fifties and sixties.
>   
>  What were these used for? I found one (I guess, the seller called it a 
> "rolar relay, I suspect a mistype) on e-pay for well over a hundred bucks.
>   
>  Thank you in advance,
>  
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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From k9tty at dls.net  Tue Dec 30 01:45:41 2008
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue Dec 30 01:53:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2008 Bell Reunion T Shirts available...
Message-ID: <00F056B9-879F-4D3C-9BD7-E3BB49E074D9@dls.net>

Thanks to the Riceguy for this eBay tip:

Western Electric, AT&T, Teletype, Lucent, ALU T-Shirts

item 270323375482
From amourdutigre at kc.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 01:49:49 2008
From: amourdutigre at kc.rr.com (amourdutigre)
Date: Tue Dec 30 01:59:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Polar relay
Message-ID: <002101c96a4a$cf5973c0$74731a41@win06v5>

Hi all,

Thankyou for the info. I was wondering what they were used for, and did not quite get the info that I needed from Google. Found lots of neat pictures of rooms full of landline repeater stuff from around the turn of the last century, but only some arcane descriptions of what they were used for.

As you can tell, I am an electromechanical TTY/RTTY neophyte, and have lots to learn! I cannot wait to get my first TTY unit so that I can get a "real RTTY"  (as opposed to computer RTTY) QTH set up and on the air!

Thanks again and best of the new year.

Joe KB0TXC

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Date: Tue Dec 30 05:11:47 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 39
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:27:42 -0800
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
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amourdutigre wrote:
> I keep seeing something called a polar relay being referred to.

The magnets in your TTY machine, and most "normal" relays are operated
by on and off current. Or what is called "on off" keying. The selector
magnet
in a TTY machine is normally "unenergized" in the space position. And when
energized it is in the mark position. Typically with 60 ma of current to
cause
it to actuate.

In a polar circuit, it has three states. On one way, on the other way,
and off
(in the middle) which is sort of a disallowed condition.

For example, 20 mA positive current causes the relay to close in the mark
condition. Reversing the current in the opposite direction causes the relay
to swing over to the space condition.

The idea behind polar keying was to require current to be flowing for both
the mark and space signal, not JUST in the mark condition. And of course,
the lack of any current was detected and acted upon as a fault condition.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi




------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:39:20 EST
From: WA5CAB@cs.com
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
To: amourdutigre@kc.rr.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <c1a.4cf1e168.368b1c18@cs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Joe,

An ordinary DC relay uses some mechanical means, usually a spring, to set
the 
OFF state of armature in the relay.  Running the proper current through the 
coil changes the relay to the ON state.  Turn the current off and the relay 
returns to it's OFF or resting state.  A polar relay armature moves one way
if 
the current is of one polarity and the other if the polarity is reversed.  A

polar relay (or at least some of them) can also be keyed by a neutral
circuit if 
it has a bias coil to set the OFF state of the neutral loop.  They were 
commonly found in Teletype sets into the 50's, and in things like
regenerative relay 
units or repeaters.

It is incorrect or misleading to say that a polar relay reverses the
polarity 
of a landline.  Reversing the polarity on the landline switches the polar 
relay.  Although you could certainly use a polar relay to do the line
reversal, 
you can also use a normal DPDT relay to do it.  But the normal DPDT relay
would 
not be usable at the other end of the line.  It would just stay ON.

$100 is excessive.  They generally go for I'll say $10-$25 in as-is where-is

condition.  Freshly calibrated they would probably be more but few have the 
equipment to do that and some who do lack the time.

In a message dated 12/29/2008 11:19:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
amourdutigre@kc.rr.com writes: 
> I have a question that I really cannot find an answer for.
>   
>  In my readings about electromechanical TTY units, I keep seeing something

> called a polar relay being referred to. I googled this, and found that it
is a 
> device that can be used to revers the polarity on a landline telegraph 
> circuit (not the local loop). Also, most of what little I could find had
to do 
> with hand (Morse) telegraphy, nothing with TTY.
>   
>  I have even seen polar relays referred to in amateur RTTY material from
the 
> fifties and sixties.
>   
>  What were these used for? I found one (I guess, the seller called it a 
> "rolar relay, I suspect a mistype) on e-pay for well over a hundred bucks.
>   
>  Thank you in advance,
>  
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:45:41 -0600
From: Don Robert House <k9tty@dls.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2008 Bell Reunion T Shirts available...
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <00F056B9-879F-4D3C-9BD7-E3BB49E074D9@dls.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Thanks to the Riceguy for this eBay tip:

Western Electric, AT&T, Teletype, Lucent, ALU T-Shirts

item 270323375482


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:49:49 -0600
From: "amourdutigre" <amourdutigre@kc.rr.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Polar relay
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002101c96a4a$cf5973c0$74731a41@win06v5>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi all,

Thankyou for the info. I was wondering what they were used for, and did not
quite get the info that I needed from Google. Found lots of neat pictures of
rooms full of landline repeater stuff from around the turn of the last
century, but only some arcane descriptions of what they were used for.

As you can tell, I am an electromechanical TTY/RTTY neophyte, and have lots
to learn! I cannot wait to get my first TTY unit so that I can get a "real
RTTY"  (as opposed to computer RTTY) QTH set up and on the air!

Thanks again and best of the new year.

Joe KB0TXC

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From rdelgatt at optonline.net  Tue Dec 30 05:03:34 2008
From: rdelgatt at optonline.net (Robert Del Gatto)
Date: Tue Dec 30 05:11:50 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 59, Issue 39
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   4. Polar relay (amourdutigre)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:27:42 -0800
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
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amourdutigre wrote:
> I keep seeing something called a polar relay being referred to.

The magnets in your TTY machine, and most "normal" relays are operated
by on and off current. Or what is called "on off" keying. The selector
magnet
in a TTY machine is normally "unenergized" in the space position. And when
energized it is in the mark position. Typically with 60 ma of current to
cause
it to actuate.

In a polar circuit, it has three states. On one way, on the other way,
and off
(in the middle) which is sort of a disallowed condition.

For example, 20 mA positive current causes the relay to close in the mark
condition. Reversing the current in the opposite direction causes the relay
to swing over to the space condition.

The idea behind polar keying was to require current to be flowing for both
the mark and space signal, not JUST in the mark condition. And of course,
the lack of any current was detected and acted upon as a fault condition.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi




------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:39:20 EST
From: WA5CAB@cs.com
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
To: amourdutigre@kc.rr.com, greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <c1a.4cf1e168.368b1c18@cs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Joe,

An ordinary DC relay uses some mechanical means, usually a spring, to set
the 
OFF state of armature in the relay.  Running the proper current through the 
coil changes the relay to the ON state.  Turn the current off and the relay 
returns to it's OFF or resting state.  A polar relay armature moves one way
if 
the current is of one polarity and the other if the polarity is reversed.  A

polar relay (or at least some of them) can also be keyed by a neutral
circuit if 
it has a bias coil to set the OFF state of the neutral loop.  They were 
commonly found in Teletype sets into the 50's, and in things like
regenerative relay 
units or repeaters.

It is incorrect or misleading to say that a polar relay reverses the
polarity 
of a landline.  Reversing the polarity on the landline switches the polar 
relay.  Although you could certainly use a polar relay to do the line
reversal, 
you can also use a normal DPDT relay to do it.  But the normal DPDT relay
would 
not be usable at the other end of the line.  It would just stay ON.

$100 is excessive.  They generally go for I'll say $10-$25 in as-is where-is

condition.  Freshly calibrated they would probably be more but few have the 
equipment to do that and some who do lack the time.

In a message dated 12/29/2008 11:19:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
amourdutigre@kc.rr.com writes: 
> I have a question that I really cannot find an answer for.
>   
>  In my readings about electromechanical TTY units, I keep seeing something

> called a polar relay being referred to. I googled this, and found that it
is a 
> device that can be used to revers the polarity on a landline telegraph 
> circuit (not the local loop). Also, most of what little I could find had
to do 
> with hand (Morse) telegraphy, nothing with TTY.
>   
>  I have even seen polar relays referred to in amateur RTTY material from
the 
> fifties and sixties.
>   
>  What were these used for? I found one (I guess, the seller called it a 
> "rolar relay, I suspect a mistype) on e-pay for well over a hundred bucks.
>   
>  Thank you in advance,
>  
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:45:41 -0600
From: Don Robert House <k9tty@dls.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2008 Bell Reunion T Shirts available...
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
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Thanks to the Riceguy for this eBay tip:

Western Electric, AT&T, Teletype, Lucent, ALU T-Shirts

item 270323375482


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:49:49 -0600
From: "amourdutigre" <amourdutigre@kc.rr.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Polar relay
To: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002101c96a4a$cf5973c0$74731a41@win06v5>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi all,

Thankyou for the info. I was wondering what they were used for, and did not
quite get the info that I needed from Google. Found lots of neat pictures of
rooms full of landline repeater stuff from around the turn of the last
century, but only some arcane descriptions of what they were used for.

As you can tell, I am an electromechanical TTY/RTTY neophyte, and have lots
to learn! I cannot wait to get my first TTY unit so that I can get a "real
RTTY"  (as opposed to computer RTTY) QTH set up and on the air!

Thanks again and best of the new year.

Joe KB0TXC

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From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 30 07:29:59 2008
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Tue Dec 30 08:42:41 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
In-Reply-To: <003c01c96a3e$04fe2190$74731a41@win06v5>
References: <003c01c96a3e$04fe2190$74731a41@win06v5>
Message-ID: <495A1447.80600@ntlworld.com>

amourdutigre wrote:
 > In my readings about electromechanical TTY units, I keep seeing
 > something called a polar relay being referred to. I googled this, and
 > found that it is a device that can be used to revers the polarity on
 > a landline telegraph circuit (not the local loop). Also, most of what
 > little I could find had to do with hand (Morse) telegraphy, nothing
 > with TTY.

Maybe your search reference should have been 'polarized relay' See 
Wikipedia:


      "Polarized relay

"A Polarized Relay placed the armature between the poles of a permanent 
magnet to increase sensitivity. Polarized relays were used in middle 
20th Century telephone exchanges 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbar_switch> to detect faint pulses 
and correct telegraphic distortion. The poles were on screws, so a 
technician could first adjust them for maximum sensitivity and then 
apply a bias spring to set the critical current that would operate the 
relay."

They were much more common in 'rest of the world' teletype applications 
where bipolar signalling was employed. +/-80v signalling for teleprinter 
loops works better on longer lines. Of course the old telegraph cables 
also used polar signalling - cable code is like Morse only with current 
reversals instead of long and short pulses. The 'Carpenter relay' is a 
particularly sensitive polarised relay which was commonly used on long 
teleprinter circuits.

All the printers made for the UK Telex market had centre-biased magnets 
and used +/- 80v signalling.

Cheers,
Sam

From al.e.murray at uwrf.edu  Tue Dec 30 08:54:01 2008
From: al.e.murray at uwrf.edu (Al Murray)
Date: Tue Dec 30 10:07:21 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-77 Compact 28/32 KSR
In-Reply-To: <1ED1539A-ECA3-4C87-9B6D-FE491F046E60@gmail.com>
References: <73664C4913F24AC6A7F5AE5347089951@Brian80gig>
	<D6F27A6C-CC79-4612-B86E-361468B04167@gmail.com>
	<4958C213.2010209@uwrf.edu>
	<1ED1539A-ECA3-4C87-9B6D-FE491F046E60@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <495A27F9.3040309@uwrf.edu>

Thanks Don!  That's just what I have.  I spent 8 years in the Navy and 
never saw one of
these. That's odd since I was a crypto tech.
AL K9ZMA

Don Robert House wrote:
> Al,
> The UGC-77 uses a model 32 keyboard which outputs PARALLEL contact 
> closures. The parallel signals are converted to serial by a 
> distributor using miniature lamps and photocells.
> The UGC-77 was designed for a USN TEMPEST application which requires 
> the gold electrical service unit.  The only resource guy I am aware of 
> that knows these machines well is Jack Hart.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
> On 29 Dec 2008, at 6:26 AM, Al Murray wrote:
>
> Any on got a diagram of an interface for the UGC-77 keyboard to get
> back 60 MA??
> AL K9ZMA
>
> Don Robert House wrote:
>> The InfoTech M-6000 has a Centronics parallel output that will output 
>> to any IEEE compatible printer.
>>
>> Don K9TTY
>>
>>
>> On 25 Dec 2008, at 8:27 PM, richard wrote:
>>
>> Anybody out there in heavy metal world know of software that can 
>> translate pix sent by ittty to print on an old dot matrix printer?
>> Richard  kn7sfz
>> PS:  the printer is a very old Centronics and beleive me, it IS heavy 
>> metal!
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From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Tue Dec 30 09:33:22 2008
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Tue Dec 30 10:45:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
References: <003c01c96a3e$04fe2190$74731a41@win06v5>
	<495A1447.80600@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <001301c96a8b$94bfb580$0201a8c0@system1>

Jeeze!   Sam's experience certainly demonstrates why you shouldn't get your
information from the internet and I might add, CNN.   Sam, keep a watch on
ebay or go to the used book people and get a couple of the old RTTY
manuals---not a League publication.

73

Lee   K9WRU
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To: "Green Keys" <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?


> amourdutigre wrote:
>  > In my readings about electromechanical TTY units, I keep seeing
>  > something called a polar relay being referred to. I googled this, and
>  > found that it is a device that can be used to revers the polarity on
>  > a landline telegraph circuit (not the local loop). Also, most of what
>  > little I could find had to do with hand (Morse) telegraphy, nothing
>  > with TTY.
>
> Maybe your search reference should have been 'polarized relay' See
> Wikipedia:
>
>
>       "Polarized relay
>
> "A Polarized Relay placed the armature between the poles of a permanent
> magnet to increase sensitivity. Polarized relays were used in middle
> 20th Century telephone exchanges
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbar_switch> to detect faint pulses
> and correct telegraphic distortion. The poles were on screws, so a
> technician could first adjust them for maximum sensitivity and then
> apply a bias spring to set the critical current that would operate the
> relay."
>
> They were much more common in 'rest of the world' teletype applications
> where bipolar signalling was employed. +/-80v signalling for teleprinter
> loops works better on longer lines. Of course the old telegraph cables
> also used polar signalling - cable code is like Morse only with current
> reversals instead of long and short pulses. The 'Carpenter relay' is a
> particularly sensitive polarised relay which was commonly used on long
> teleprinter circuits.
>
> All the printers made for the UK Telex market had centre-biased magnets
> and used +/- 80v signalling.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>


From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Tue Dec 30 09:49:05 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Tue Dec 30 11:01:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 10 mc rtty
Message-ID: <123020081449.21577.495A34E1000C79C20000544922243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>

That German RTTY sig on 10.099 or thereof is banging in here in AZ almost to an S-5 this morning.  WOW!  And no European CW sigs on the band (30 M) that i can hear.

Larry
W0OGH

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From: henning at teleprinter.net (Henning DF3OE)
Date: Tue Dec 30 11:47:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] 10 mc rtty
In-Reply-To: <123020081449.21577.495A34E1000C79C20000544922243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>
References: <123020081449.21577.495A34E1000C79C20000544922243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>
Message-ID: <75e5fca50812300734u735a674dy39036ec7eb02adf8@mail.gmail.com>

The German Weather Service  on this frequency runs 10 kW from northern Germany.

http://www.dwd.de/bvbw/appmanager/bvbw/dwdwwwDesktop?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=_dwdwww_spezielle_nutzer_schiffffahrt_funk&activePage=


73, Henning DF3OE

www.teleprinter.net

+++




2008/12/30  <TELEGRAPHER@att.net>:
> That German RTTY sig on 10.099 or thereof is banging in here in AZ almost to
> an S-5 this morning.  WOW!  And no European CW sigs on the band (30 M) that
> i can hear.
>
> Larry
> W0OGH
>
>
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From amourdutigre at kc.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 12:47:07 2008
From: amourdutigre at kc.rr.com (amourdutigre)
Date: Tue Dec 30 14:01:07 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
Message-ID: <004c01c96aa6$a29551e0$74731a41@win06v5>

Thank you all again for the help with this. I had no idea that the landlines used polar signaling. I simply thought that they blasted a make/break signal with lots of voltage to compensate for the high resistance steel wires. Now it seems to make sense to me.

As far as the relay on e-bay, I suspect that the seller is an antique dealer, and often antique dealers have very little idea what an object is worth. They either charge way too much for the item, or sometimes, the item is very valuable, and they will sell it for far less than what it is worth. I guess that anything is worth only what somene will pay for it though. As for me, I will not pay $140 for that relay, with a nice $70 on top of that for shipping. (This is one of my real complaints about e-pay...there are those out there that use the shipping charge to up their price in a semi-stealth way. I once bought a Heath SB-301 and the seller only charged me 7 dollars to ship. This guy wants 70 to ship a relay that I would dare say weighs a whole lot less than the '301 does.)

Thank you a again for the information!

Best and 73

Joe KB0TXC
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From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 30 13:02:02 2008
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (bonamod@bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Dec 30 14:14:48 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
In-Reply-To: <004c01c96aa6$a29551e0$74731a41@win06v5>
Message-ID: <123020081802.1169.495A621A0004A0690000049122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>

The cost may well be 70.00 to ship to the US, the seller is located in Bohemia, Czech Republic


Item weighs 5lbs, from the US to Bohemia, Czech Republic it is about 40.00 to ship USPS, maybe more expensive from there end.

Also the seller could have made a mistake in the listing, I run accross this all the time and a quick email resolves this.  




-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "amourdutigre" <amourdutigre@kc.rr.com>
>
Thank you all again for the help with this. I had no idea that the landlines 
used polar signaling. I simply thought that they blasted a make/break signal 
with lots of voltage to compensate for the high resistance steel wires. Now it 
> seems to make sense to me.
> 
As far as the relay on e-bay, I suspect that the seller is an antique dealer, 
and often antique dealers have very little idea what an object is worth. They 
either charge way too much for the item, or sometimes, the item is very 
valuable, and they will sell it for far less than what it is worth. I guess that 
anything is worth only what somene will pay for it though. As for me, I will not 
pay $140 for that relay, with a nice $70 on top of that for shipping. (This is 
one of my real complaints about e-pay...there are those out there that use the 
shipping charge to up their price in a semi-stealth way. I once bought a Heath 
SB-301 and the seller only charged me 7 dollars to ship. This guy wants 70 to 
> ship a relay that I would dare say weighs a whole lot less than the '301 does.)
> 
> Thank you a again for the information!
> 
> Best and 73
> 
> Joe KB0TXC





From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Tue Dec 30 13:45:37 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Tue Dec 30 14:58:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
In-Reply-To: <123020081802.1169.495A621A0004A0690000049122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
References: <004c01c96aa6$a29551e0$74731a41@win06v5>
	<123020081802.1169.495A621A0004A0690000049122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
Message-ID: <123020081845.10629.495A6C51000AFAA40000298522243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>


 For the life of me i can't get any of my 255A polar relays (1 ea.) to weigh in at 5 lbs.

Larry
W0OGH


  -------------- Original message from bonamod@bellsouth.net: --------------

The cost may well be 70.00 to ship to the US, the seller is located in Bohemia, 
> Czech Republic
> 
> Item weighs 5lbs, from the US to Bohemia, Czech Republic it is about 40.00 to 
> ship USPS, maybe more expensive from there end.
> Also the seller could have made a mistake in the listing, I run accross this all 
> the time and a quick email resolves this.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "amourdutigre" 
> >
> Thank you all again for the help with this. I had no idea that the landlines 
> used polar signaling. I simply thought that they blasted a make/break signal 
> with lots of voltage to compensate for the high resistance steel wires. Now it 
> > seems to make sense to me.
> > 
> As far as the relay on e-bay, I suspect that the seller is an antique dealer, 
> and often antique dealers have very little idea what an object is worth. They 
> either charge way too much for the item, or sometimes, the item is very 
> valuable, and they will sell it for far less than what it is worth. I guess that 
> anything is worth only what somene will pay for it though. As for me, I will not 
> pay $140 for that relay, with a nice $70 on top of that for shipping. (This is 
> one of my real complaints about e-pay...there are those out there that use the 
> shipping charge to up their price in a semi-stealth way. I once bought a Heath 
> SB-301 and the seller only charged me 7 dollars to ship. This guy wants 70 to 
> > ship a relay that I would dare say weighs a whole lot less than the '301 
> does.)
> > 
> > Thank you a again for the information!
> > 
> > Best and 73
> > 
> > Joe KB0TXC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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From eugene at hertzmail.com  Tue Dec 30 13:59:14 2008
From: eugene at hertzmail.com (eugene@hertzmail.com)
Date: Tue Dec 30 15:12:17 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
References: <123020081802.1169.495A621A0004A0690000049122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
Message-ID: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1002697092@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>

Here is a nice polar relay for $400
 
130277144797
 
 

________________________________

From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net on behalf of bonamod@bellsouth.net
Sent: Tue 12/30/2008 1:02 PM
To: amourdutigre
Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?



The cost may well be 70.00 to ship to the US, the seller is located in Bohemia, Czech Republic


Item weighs 5lbs, from the US to Bohemia, Czech Republic it is about 40.00 to ship USPS, maybe more expensive from there end.

Also the seller could have made a mistake in the listing, I run accross this all the time and a quick email resolves this. 




-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "amourdutigre" <amourdutigre@kc.rr.com>
>
Thank you all again for the help with this. I had no idea that the landlines
used polar signaling. I simply thought that they blasted a make/break signal
with lots of voltage to compensate for the high resistance steel wires. Now it
> seems to make sense to me.
>
As far as the relay on e-bay, I suspect that the seller is an antique dealer,
and often antique dealers have very little idea what an object is worth. They
either charge way too much for the item, or sometimes, the item is very
valuable, and they will sell it for far less than what it is worth. I guess that
anything is worth only what somene will pay for it though. As for me, I will not
pay $140 for that relay, with a nice $70 on top of that for shipping. (This is
one of my real complaints about e-pay...there are those out there that use the
shipping charge to up their price in a semi-stealth way. I once bought a Heath
SB-301 and the seller only charged me 7 dollars to ship. This guy wants 70 to
> ship a relay that I would dare say weighs a whole lot less than the '301 does.)
>
> Thank you a again for the information!
>
> Best and 73
>
> Joe KB0TXC





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From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 30 14:29:13 2008
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (bonamod@bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue Dec 30 15:42:01 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
In-Reply-To: <123020081845.10629.495A6C51000AFAA40000298522243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>
References: <004c01c96aa6$a29551e0$74731a41@win06v5>
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Message-ID: <123020081929.26476.495A7688000E7E4E0000676C22218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>

  Well my calcs my be off, the seller say the item weighs 1980grams I think that works out to be about 4.3 lbs or such, I just rounded it up with packaging.  

The ebay item is 300254939225	


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: TELEGRAPHER@att.net
>
> 
>  For the life of me i can't get any of my 255A polar relays (1 ea.) to weigh in 
> at 5 lbs.
> 
> Larry
> W0OGH
> 
> 
>   -------------- Original message from bonamod@bellsouth.net: --------------
> 
> The cost may well be 70.00 to ship to the US, the seller is located in Bohemia, 
> > Czech Republic
> > 
> > Item weighs 5lbs, from the US to Bohemia, Czech Republic it is about 40.00 to 
> > ship USPS, maybe more expensive from there end.
> > Also the seller could have made a mistake in the listing, I run accross this 
> all 
> > the time and a quick email resolves this.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "amourdutigre" 
> > >
> > Thank you all again for the help with this. I had no idea that the landlines 
> > used polar signaling. I simply thought that they blasted a make/break signal 
> > with lots of voltage to compensate for the high resistance steel wires. Now it 
> > > seems to make sense to me.
> > > 
> > As far as the relay on e-bay, I suspect that the seller is an antique dealer, 
> > and often antique dealers have very little idea what an object is worth. They 
> > either charge way too much for the item, or sometimes, the item is very 
> > valuable, and they will sell it for far less than what it is worth. I guess 
> that 
> > anything is worth only what somene will pay for it though. As for me, I will 
> not 
> > pay $140 for that relay, with a nice $70 on top of that for shipping. (This is 
> > one of my real complaints about e-pay...there are those out there that use the 
> > shipping charge to up their price in a semi-stealth way. I once bought a Heath 
> > SB-301 and the seller only charged me 7 dollars to ship. This guy wants 70 to 
> > > ship a relay that I would dare say weighs a whole lot less than the '301 
> > does.)
> > > 
> > > Thank you a again for the information!
> > > 
> > > Best and 73
> > > 
> > > Joe KB0TXC
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys




From sschlink at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 30 15:28:44 2008
From: sschlink at mindspring.com (Steve Schlink)
Date: Tue Dec 30 16:42:55 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Online museums
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20081230142035.00b8c370@pop.mindspring.com>

Hi all,

Heard about this today on NPR:

"the Museum of online museums"

http://www.coudal.com/moom/

Among the listings:

Gallery of Sawn-In-Half Cameras
Museum of 19th Century Scientific Instruments
Museum of Old-Time Broadcast Microphones
The Virtual Museum of Vintage VCRs
The 8-Track Archive
The Virtual Typewriter Museum
Museum of Old Soviet Radios

Sounds like a good place for a link to someone's teletype collection.

Take care,

Steve


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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Tue Dec 30 16:00:10 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Tue Dec 30 17:12:52 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strangely Configured Model 14 Teletype Machine
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20081230154611.0367b7d0@incoming.verizon.net>

ZCZC

Christmas break is always the time that finds me puttering with the 
teleprinter livery here.  This afternoon I finally got at a Model 14 tape 
printer that I have had for several years now but have not done anything 
with, until now.  After tracing out and changing the power connector on it, 
I put power and loop to it and... it appears to be strangely configured.

Nothing intelligible prints on the tape.  And before anyone suggests 
lubricating the thing, it appears to be operating normally.  At first 
glance it appears to be an otherwise "normal" Model 14.  However, on closer 
inspection the keyboard is arranged as follows:

1234567890
ABCDEFHJK
LMNPQRST  U
    <SPACE>

The plate on the machine says it's a "Type UA 14".  It appears to not shift 
at all, but that could be a lube problem.

The machine most likely came out of a telephone CO.  Could this be some 
sort of special trouble recording machine?

I tried typing on the keyboard but it only sends nulls.  I didn't dig 
deeply enough into the base to find out what the problem there might be.

I'd be interested in hearing the group's thoughts on this little machine.

73,

Doug, KA2WFT

NNNN

From ka2wft at arrl.net  Tue Dec 30 17:04:14 2008
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Tue Dec 30 18:17:12 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strangely Configured Model 14 Teletype Machine
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20081230154611.0367b7d0@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20081230170007.027917c8@incoming.verizon.net>

At 04:00 PM 12/30/2008 -0500, I wrote:
>After tracing out and changing the power connector on it, I put power and 
>loop to it and... it appears to be strangely configured.

On further checking, I compared the type basket of this 14 to the basket on 
a rather pristine 2B tape printer I have in a repairman's carrying case and 
there is almost nothing common between them.  The 2B appears to be the same 
layout as a 15, the mystery 14 printer has its own arrangement, including 
numerals in the LTRS position.

Looks like this set won't be a lot of use unless it goes through a lot of 
overhaul or gets attached to whatever system it was intended for.

Still interested in knowing just what it may have been used with.  An 
off-list reply to my earlier note suggests that it could, indeed, have been 
a CO crossbar switch as they had their own code to talk to attached 
teleprinters.

73,

Doug, KA2WFT


From jangus at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 19:36:59 2008
From: jangus at socal.rr.com (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue Dec 30 20:49:45 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Those black boxes
Message-ID: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>

I ordered three of them. They arrived today. Oh boy.

So, of course, I want to play with it. I ended up building a little current 
loop monitor.
It took me a while to get the settings right.

Set the box for Full Duplex, active. This supplies loop current for both the 
selector
magnets and the keyboard (wired seperately)

Set the loop current to 60 mA (I'm running the Lorenz model 15 clone)

Set the box for DCE

Now the question I have, is what is a good terminal emulator that will 
properly
do 50  (or 45.45) baud 5-level Baudot code? So I can talk to the Lorenz via
a PC? 

Most of the boxes here run Windows XP Service Pack 3.
I do have a couple of boxes (and my laptop) running Windows 98SE.

Thanks
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi



From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 30 20:20:34 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue Dec 30 21:35:00 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
In-Reply-To: <123020081929.26476.495A7688000E7E4E0000676C22218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
References: <004c01c96aa6$a29551e0$74731a41@win06v5>
	<123020081802.1169.495A621A0004A0690000049122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
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	<123020081929.26476.495A7688000E7E4E0000676C22218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812301919480.22342@localhost.localdomain>

The W.U. 17-B polar relay dates from 1915 and is quite a bit heavier
than a 255-A.  Also, the case being Bakelite, it has to be packed with
a lot of bubble pack to protect against breakage.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 30 20:28:28 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue Dec 30 21:41:26 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
In-Reply-To: <15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1002697092@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
References: <123020081802.1169.495A621A0004A0690000049122230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0B01030E02010D@att.net>
	<15FF713354AB044F80212306D8035A1002697092@mse12be2.mse12.exchange.ms>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812301922540.22342@localhost.localdomain>

Yeah, somebody must have really wanted that one.  At least it is a lot
rarer than the W.U. 17-B that we were talking about.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, eugene@hertzmail.com wrote:

> Here is a nice polar relay for $400
> ?
> 130277144797
> ?
> ?
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> From: greenkeys-bounces@mailman.qth.net on behalf of bonamod@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Tue 12/30/2008 1:02 PM
> To: amourdutigre
> Cc: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RE: what is a polar relay?
> 
> The cost may well be 70.00 to ship to the US, the seller is located in
> Bohemia, Czech Republic
> 
> 
> Item weighs 5lbs, from the US to Bohemia, Czech Republic it is about 40.00
> to ship USPS, maybe more expensive from there end.
> 
> Also the seller could have made a mistake in the listing, I run accross this
> all the time and a quick email resolves this.?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "amourdutigre" <amourdutigre@kc.rr.com>
> >
> Thank you all again for the help with this. I had no idea that the landlines
> used polar signaling. I simply thought that they blasted a make/break signal
> with lots of voltage to compensate for the high resistance steel wires. Now
> it
> > seems to make sense to me.
> >
> As far as the relay on e-bay, I suspect that the seller is an antique
> dealer,
> and often antique dealers have very little idea what an object is worth.
> They
> either charge way too much for the item, or sometimes, the item is very
> valuable, and they will sell it for far less than what it is worth. I guess
> that
> anything is worth only what somene will pay for it though. As for me, I will
> not
> pay $140 for that relay, with a nice $70 on top of that for shipping. (This
> is
> one of my real complaints about e-pay...there are those out there that use
> the
> shipping charge to up their price in a semi-stealth way. I once bought a
> Heath
> SB-301 and the seller only charged me 7 dollars to ship. This guy wants 70
> to
> > ship a relay that I would dare say weighs a whole lot less than the '301
> does.)
> >
> > Thank you a again for the information!
> >
> > Best and 73
> >
> > Joe KB0TXC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> GreenKeys@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> 
> 
>
From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 30 21:05:43 2008
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy or Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue Dec 30 22:19:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Those black boxes
In-Reply-To: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>
References: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>
Message-ID: <495AD377.9050704@bellsouth.net>

Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> I ordered three of them. They arrived today. Oh boy.
> 
> So, of course, I want to play with it. I ended up building a little current 
> loop monitor.
> It took me a while to get the settings right.
> 
> Set the box for Full Duplex, active. This supplies loop current for both the 
> selector
> magnets and the keyboard (wired seperately)
> 
> Set the loop current to 60 mA (I'm running the Lorenz model 15 clone)
> 
> Set the box for DCE
> 
> Now the question I have, is what is a good terminal emulator that will 
> properly
> do 50  (or 45.45) baud 5-level Baudot code? So I can talk to the Lorenz via
> a PC? 

Two programs:

Heavymetal - copies AP news headlines, Weather, and does test patterns, 
pictures, etc.

and

MMTTY - let's you copy off either a radio or audio feed via internet 
(like itty).

NNNN
-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com
From ross at hypertools.com  Tue Dec 30 21:25:09 2008
From: ross at hypertools.com (David Ross)
Date: Tue Dec 30 22:38:42 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Those black boxes
In-Reply-To: <495AD377.9050704@bellsouth.net>
References: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>
	<495AD377.9050704@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <495AD805.4050607@hypertools.com>

> Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>> I ordered three of them. They arrived today. Oh boy.
>>
>> So, of course, I want to play with it. I ended up building a little 
>> current loop monitor.
>> It took me a while to get the settings right.
>>
>> Set the box for Full Duplex, active. This supplies loop current for 
>> both the selector
>> magnets and the keyboard (wired seperately)
>>
>> Set the loop current to 60 mA (I'm running the Lorenz model 15 clone)
>>
>> Set the box for DCE
>>
>> Now the question I have, is what is a good terminal emulator that 
>> will properly
>> do 50  (or 45.45) baud 5-level Baudot code? So I can talk to the 
>> Lorenz via
>> a PC?

  Jeffrey -

  Try TTYSIM.  It is a simple teletype emulator which I wrote to run 
under MS-DOS on a GRiD PC.  It does OK in a Command Line window under 
XP.  It is tiny, comes with source code.  Get it at:
<http://www.hypertools.com/ttysim.zip>

good luck
Dave Ross    N7EPI


From kf9nz at juno.com  Tue Dec 30 22:37:39 2008
From: kf9nz at juno.com (kf9nz@juno.com)
Date: Tue Dec 30 23:51:46 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is a polar relay for?
Message-ID: <20081230.213739.3324.3.kf9nz@juno.com>


       There are many different kinds of polar relays.   Railroad signal
systems use a type of polar relay to control signal indications:   normal
polarity= green, reverse polarity= yellow  no voltage=red  for example
The things we are talking about here are a different thing entirely. 
Wireline circuits have a lot of other characteristics than resistance -
and most weren't iron wire.   Capacitance, inductance and leakage all
affect the wave shape and that affects the  received signal which affects
the way the sounder, uh..sounds.   A teletype machine has an
electromagnet that converts the electrical signal to the mechanical
signal that causes the machine to print.   If the armature does not
follow the signal accurately, the result is obvious.    By using polarity
reversals, the transition from a MARK signal and a SPACE signal is much
sharper.    There are other reasons for using polar relays, such as using
one wire to send messages simultaneously in both directions ("Duplex").  


        The relay most of us are familiar with is the Western Electric
255A.  Those things have several adjustments, and it was very easy to get
them so far out of adjustment, they would drive you crazy trying to get
them right.  They plugged into a socket making them easy to replace   I
was so happy to see  sealed mercury wetted contact polar relays replace
the fussy 255a's

Frankf9nz

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From amourdutigre at kc.rr.com  Wed Dec 31 00:05:19 2008
From: amourdutigre at kc.rr.com (amourdutigre)
Date: Wed Dec 31 01:19:25 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: What is a polar relay for?
Message-ID: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>

I just ordered this book from an Amazon book dealer, cost less than the shipping for standard delivery at $3.99.

Joe KB0TXC

An excellent reference for all this stuff is a book "Principles of
Electricity applied to Telephone and Telegraph Work" put out by AT&T
in several editions between 1933 and the 1960s.  I see this book is 
available online at 
www.pmillett.com/Books/intro_att_principles.pdf

(I found that with google, which turns up a lot of other references
to the book.)



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From k1lky at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 31 00:30:18 2008
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Wed Dec 31 01:43:23 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: What is a polar relay for?
In-Reply-To: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>
References: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>
Message-ID: <0EAAFCA4-FCF8-40D2-BB17-BD3BF7A59A69@earthlink.net>


On Dec 31, 2008, at 12:05 AM, amourdutigre wrote:

> I just ordered this book from an Amazon book dealer, cost less than  
> the shipping for standard delivery at $3.99.
... "Principles of Electricity applied to Telephone and Telegraph  
Work" put out by AT&T

This is "the Green Book" and tells a LOT about telephone and  
telegraphs. They sometimes cost much more than $4.  I have a couple  
different editions, and there are some differences.

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky@earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073





From n4xy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 31 00:34:12 2008
From: n4xy at earthlink.net (Ed Tanton)
Date: Wed Dec 31 01:47:06 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Those black boxes
In-Reply-To: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>
References: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>
Message-ID: <07bc01c96b09$69bd9680$3d38c380$@net>

I just bought 3 myself. I asked the guy about a break on the postage and he
said to "request an invoice" and he would adjust the postage. I did, and he
did, and so my net was $27 for 3, delivered. VERY nice!!! Many thanks
Jeff!!!


73? Ed Tanton N4XY <n4xy@earthlink.net> 
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From WA5CAB at cs.com  Wed Dec 31 00:50:16 2008
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB@cs.com)
Date: Wed Dec 31 02:03:10 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RE: What is a polar relay for?
Message-ID: <bc3.3e936e92.368c6218@cs.com>

Not to be confused with "The Green Books",  aka "U.S. Army In WW-II" which 
ran to some 80 volumes and was partially reprinted at least once.

In a message dated 12/30/2008 11:30:53 PM Central Standard Time, 
k1lky@earthlink.net writes: 
> >I just ordered this book from an Amazon book dealer, cost less than  
> >the shipping for standard delivery at $3.99.
> ... "Principles of Electricity applied to Telephone and Telegraph  
> Work" put out by AT&T
> 
> This is "the Green Book" and tells a LOT about telephone and  
> telegraphs. They sometimes cost much more than $4.  I have a couple  
> different editions, and there are some differences.
> 

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 01:53:30 2008
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed Dec 31 03:06:35 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Those black boxes
In-Reply-To: <07bc01c96b09$69bd9680$3d38c380$@net>
References: <20081231.003659.840.4@STAY-85A77948LX>
	<07bc01c96b09$69bd9680$3d38c380$@net>
Message-ID: <0F89FFE6-E632-44F3-ACB5-022A90EC856A@gmail.com>

Yes Ed,

The seller did that for me too.  I have two for $20. including postage  
that they shipped very fast.

Don
K9TTY


On 30 Dec 2008, at 11:34 PM, Ed Tanton wrote:

I just bought 3 myself. I asked the guy about a break on the postage  
and he
said to "request an invoice" and he would adjust the postage. I did,  
and he
did, and so my net was $27 for 3, delivered. VERY nice!!! Many thanks
Jeff!!!


73  Ed Tanton N4XY <n4xy@earthlink.net>

website: http://www.n4xy.com

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From packard42 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 02:14:36 2008
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed Dec 31 03:27:37 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Principles of Electricity Applied to Telephone &
	Telegraph Work
In-Reply-To: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>
References: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>
Message-ID: <3334542B-4131-43E7-9024-767B3C915A00@gmail.com>

I have all of the editions from 1929 to 1961.

The PDF is just the introduction to the 1953 Edition. Only 10 pages.

The other Bell System Green Book is Engineering Economics.
Some of you might find the AT&T Red Books interesting as well.  Three  
volumes of transmission engineering principles.

Don
K9TTY



On 30 Dec 2008, at 11:05 PM, amourdutigre wrote:

I just ordered this book from an Amazon book dealer, cost less than  
the shipping for standard delivery at $3.99.

Joe KB0TXC

An excellent reference for all this stuff is a book "Principles of
Electricity applied to Telephone and Telegraph Work" put out by AT&T
in several editions between 1933 and the 1960s.  I see this book is
available online at
www.pmillett.com/Books/intro_att_principles.pdf

(I found that with google, which turns up a lot of other references
to the book.)



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From jbs at kadiak.org  Wed Dec 31 03:56:53 2008
From: jbs at kadiak.org (Joe Stevens)
Date: Wed Dec 31 05:15:40 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re: Principles of Electricity Applied to Telephone &
	Telegraph Work
In-Reply-To: <3334542B-4131-43E7-9024-767B3C915A00@gmail.com>
References: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>
	<3334542B-4131-43E7-9024-767B3C915A00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0KCQ00E7RH2TVU11@msgmmp-1.gci.net>

I also have a few editions of this book as well as some Lenkurt 
Demodulator and a nice pamphlet from AE on relays.  I think these are 
very valuable and useful resources and I have made a small bit of it 
available on my site at
http://www.kadiak.org/tel

I have some Hal ST-6s and have been on RTTY since about 1968 but was 
wondering what would be a correct FSK/AFSK demod for the WWII era?
I am familiar with the WeCo 43 carrier and Lenkurt equivalents and I 
maintained URA-8 and similar in a prior lifetime.
We have hands-on Model 14, 15s and 28s at our museum and 5th graders 
as well as adults are very curious about them.  I would like to get 
them on the air again with a period setup.

(Recent discussions are making me think about a simulated single 
conductor submarine cable running duplex too.  We have some cable 
sections of number 10 AWG, stranded, silver plated copper salvaged 
from the ocean bottom here. http://www.kadiak.org/radios/sub_cable.html )

Best to all,

    ...j0e

WL7AML
Kodiak Military History Museum
http://www.kadiak.org
Kodiak Alaska

At 10:14 PM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
>I have all of the editions from 1929 to 1961.
>
>The PDF is just the introduction to the 1953 Edition. Only 10 pages.
>
>The other Bell System Green Book is Engineering Economics.
>Some of you might find the AT&T Red Books interesting as 
>well.  Three volumes of transmission engineering principles.
>
>Don
>K9TTY
>
>
>
>On 30 Dec 2008, at 11:05 PM, amourdutigre wrote:
>
>I just ordered this book from an Amazon book dealer, cost less than 
>the shipping for standard delivery at $3.99.
>
>Joe KB0TXC
>
>An excellent reference for all this stuff is a book "Principles of
>Electricity applied to Telephone and Telegraph Work" put out by AT&T
>in several editions between 1933 and the 1960s.  I see this book is
>available online at
><http://www.pmillett.com/Books/intro_att_principles.pdf>www.pmillett.com/Books/intro_att_principles.pdf
>
>(I found that with google, which turns up a lot of other references
>to the book.)
>
>
>
>jhhaynes at earthlink dot net
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 31 11:08:45 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Wed Dec 31 12:21:33 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY in WWII
Message-ID: <380-220081233116845255@earthlink.net>

Joe,

There was RTTY used during WWII, but not much and not much equipment still around.  There was some commercial RTTY before WWII, but it didn't seem to catch on with the military until late in the war.  I have been doing some research on early RTTY and not finding much details.  The AWA Museum has a AN/FGC-1, a diversity RTTY converter in a 7 ft rack made by Western Electric; TM 11-356 dated 1943. (We also have the diversity receiver that went with it, the AN/FRR-3, in another 7 ft rack. Maybe it will be NEXT winter's project to get it running.) See http://www.gordon.army.mil/OCOS/Museum/commwwII.asp for some Army WWII equipment. Some Navy RX converters were the FRA & FRG; TX FSK converters were FSA, FRE, & FSC.  See http://www.virhistory.com/navy/rtty-02.htm for more info.

Your AN/URA-8 is from about 1947; pair it with a RBB/RBC receiver and you would be close to WWII timeframe.

Have fun & 73,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joe Stevens 
To: greenkeys@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 31-Dec-08 05:15:42 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Re: Principles of Electricity Applied to Telephone &Telegraph Work


I also have a few editions of this book as well as some Lenkurt Demodulator and a nice pamphlet from AE on relays.  I think these are very valuable and useful resources and I have made a small bit of it available on my site at
http://www.kadiak.org/tel

I have some Hal ST-6s and have been on RTTY since about 1968 but was wondering what would be a correct FSK/AFSK demod for the WWII era?
I am familiar with the WeCo 43 carrier and Lenkurt equivalents and I maintained URA-8 and similar in a prior lifetime.
We have hands-on Model 14, 15s and 28s at our museum and 5th graders as well as adults are very curious about them.  I would like to get them on the air again with a period setup.

(Recent discussions are making me think about a simulated single conductor submarine cable running duplex too.  We have some cable sections of number 10 AWG, stranded, silver plated copper salvaged from the ocean bottom here. http://www.kadiak.org/radios/sub_cable.html )

Best to all,

   ...j0e

WL7AML
Kodiak Military History Museum
http://www.kadiak.org
Kodiak Alaska
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 31 12:47:03 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed Dec 31 14:00:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY in WW-II 
In-Reply-To: <0KCQ00E7RH2TVU11@msgmmp-1.gci.net>
References: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5>
	<3334542B-4131-43E7-9024-767B3C915A00@gmail.com>
	<0KCQ00E7RH2TVU11@msgmmp-1.gci.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812311114020.3228@localhost.localdomain>

As Duncan says, the best-known WW-II FSK system used the AN/FGC-1 dual
diversity FSK converter.  This is a Western Electric item in a 7 foot tall
cabinet, built telephone style, which is to say flat panels in the rack
with the parts sticking out the front, rather than panel-and-chassis
construction.  These were sometimes used with the companion receiver
AN/FRR-3 of similar construction, but also with more ordinary receivers.

The transmitter technology of the time usually involved a 200 KHz
oscillator that was frequency modulated by a reactance tube and then
beat against a crystal or VFO to get the desired output frequency, or
a sub-multiple thereof.

Press Wireless Co. was using RTTY in WW-II and their work is documented
in the November 1944 issue of Electronics magazine.

The standard shift in those days was 850Hz.  This was used not because
the signaling speed demanded it, but to accomodate the drifty transmitters
and receivers of those days.  Even then there was some use of AFC in
receivers to compensate for the drift and make it unnecessary to have
an operator constantly retuning the receiver.

There is an article in Communications magazine for September 1946 about
the AACS (Army Airways Communications Systems) used during the war for
weather transmission.  The writer mentions that 850 Hz shift was used,
but that some other units used shifts of 170 and 340 Hz.  He says that
at first they used Hammarlund Super-Pro receivers with an external HF
oscillator common to both, but that they were later replaced with Wilcox
and Press Wireless equipment.  He shows a block diagram of the receiver,
including the tube types used.

Now if you want some ancient history, there is an article "Teletype Now
Used on Radio Circuits to Hawaii by R.C.A. Communications, Inc., for
All Its Messages" in Telegraph and Telephone Age for Oct 1, 1932.
and "Application of Printing Telegraph to Long-Wave Radio Circuits" in
Bell System Technical Journal for October 1931.

"Printing Telegraph by Radio" in Journal of the Franklin Institute,
January 1922.

"Multi-Channel Two-Tone Radio Telegraphy" in Bell Laboratories Record,
December 1946.

"Frequency-Shift Radio Teletype in World War II" Bell Laboratories Record,
December 1947.

There was even time-division multiplex way back then.  "Time-Division
Multiplex in Radiotelegraphic Practice" Proceedings of the IRE,
January 1938.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From larryradio at worldnet.att.net  Wed Dec 31 12:57:48 2008
From: larryradio at worldnet.att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed Dec 31 14:10:39 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY in WW-II 
References: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5><3334542B-4131-43E7-9024-767B3C915A00@gmail.com><0KCQ00E7RH2TVU11@msgmmp-1.gci.net>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0812311114020.3228@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <2995506265984A4FACC5707AA0AEFFF2@ljt>

Jim et.al.,

When I was a teen, I had a Model 15 and this big, black dual diversity unit 
with a door in the front.  Most of the tubes were metal...like the 6SK7, 
6SN7 variety.  I fed it from the IF of my NC-300 receiver.  This TTY unit 
took up about 12 inches of rack space and weighted in big time...a 2 man 
lift, if you will.

When you mentioned drift and the 850 cycle shift....were they using a BFO 
(audio) or IF feeds to these units?

lar
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com


>
> The standard shift in those days was 850Hz.  This was used not because
> the signaling speed demanded it, but to accomodate the drifty transmitters
> and receivers of those days.  Even then there was some use of AFC in
> receivers to compensate for the drift and make it unnecessary to have
> an operator constantly retuning the receiver.

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 31 13:28:38 2008
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed Dec 31 14:43:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY in WW-II 
In-Reply-To: <2995506265984A4FACC5707AA0AEFFF2@ljt>
References: <003201c96b05$60dfad90$74731a41@win06v5><3334542B-4131-43E7-9024-767B3C915A00@gmail.com><0KCQ00E7RH2TVU11@msgmmp-1.gci.net>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0812311114020.3228@localhost.localdomain>
	<2995506265984A4FACC5707AA0AEFFF2@ljt>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812311226280.3470@localhost.localdomain>

It seems like both audio and IF type converters were used.  The AN/FGC-1
and the ones in the Press Wireless article use audio frequency, as does
the one in the AACS article.  But there are plenty of examples of IF types
as well, especially the Navy units.

Certainly the BFO adds another source of drift.  I've seen a SP-600
receiver that had external inputs for the main oscillator and also fo
the BFO.


jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 31 16:45:41 2008
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Wed Dec 31 17:58:31 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY in WW-II 
Message-ID: <380-2200812331214541243@earthlink.net>

Even in the 1950s/60s using R-390s there were apparently drift problems. 
In the AN/GRC-26D, the CV-116 diversity FSK converter used the IF out of
two R-390s and mixed them down to two separate low IFs (around 25KC & 85 KC
?).  The mixer oscillators were AFCed to take in any drift in the system. 
If the drift was more than it could accomodate, a doorbell inside the unit 
would ring to alert the operator to retune the system!!  It sounded like a
real doorbell, very loud. (I guess they wanted it loud enough for the
operator to hear over the TTYs and/or to wake him up!)  

  --Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> To: Larry Tighe <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: <greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>; Jim Haynes <jhhaynes@earthlink.net>
> Date: 31-Dec-08 14:43:04
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RTTY in WW-II 
>
> It seems like both audio and IF type converters were used.  The AN/FGC-1
> and the ones in the Press Wireless article use audio frequency, as does
> the one in the AACS article.  But there are plenty of examples of IF types
> as well, especially the Navy units.
>
> Certainly the BFO adds another source of drift.  I've seen a SP-600
> receiver that had external inputs for the main oscillator and also fo
> the BFO.
>
>
> jhhaynes at earthlink dot net
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From riceguy at peoplepc.com  Wed Dec 31 18:21:28 2008
From: riceguy at peoplepc.com (riceguy)
Date: Wed Dec 31 19:32:24 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] Long Shot
Message-ID: <495BFE78.4040808@peoplepc.com>

Looking for a Model 32TAM cabinet

Rice
From TELEGRAPHER at att.net  Wed Dec 31 20:24:02 2008
From: TELEGRAPHER at att.net (TELEGRAPHER@att.net)
Date: Wed Dec 31 21:37:03 2008
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY SIgs
Message-ID: <010120090124.15027.495C1B320007D94E00003AB322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBFADBAB8AFBEADB9BAB4BAAB@att.net>

8433 and 12631 have 60WPM rtty on them at this time from KSM.  Signals have been excellent here in Arizona all through the PM period.  Give your machines a good work out.

Larry
W0OGH

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