From Til128 at aol.com  Sun Aug  1 07:01:20 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:01:20 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys]  what happened to ITTY?
Message-ID: <186da.871910c.3986ae00@aol.com>

Thanks to George, ITTY is now back in service at  the following URL:



_http://65.243.191.51:8000/listen.pls_ 
(http://65.243.191.51:8000/listen.pls)    

73,
Tom Tillson
All things electromechanical
Greenkeys
HeavyMetal
ITTY/East
LL TTY


From larryradio at att.net  Sun Aug  1 10:30:09 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio at att.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:30:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY patch cords
Message-ID: <C8B6CD727C4C4F8FACB9EAA6FB206B2B@dell3000>

Nice bunch of new patch cords on the e place.

360269110560

lar

From pete at petelancashire.com  Sun Aug  1 12:32:17 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:32:17 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+akVBDuMHMrV_FxcVf5E6iy23vqM+sBmfSqR6@mail.gmail.com>

The last time I used a TU it was a URA-8A Just recently I've ended up
with a HAL ST8000A. And have been
offered a Dovetron MPC-100,not sure what suffix I think it maybe a MPC-100T.

Comments on which are better or usable ? Others models ?

Someday will get another CV-89 /URA-8A and a 28ASR to recreate my old setup

Heck don't even know yet what RTTY is still on HF, won't have the
SP-600 fixed up till this winter.

-pete

From pete at petelancashire.com  Sun Aug  1 12:33:57 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:33:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9Szu45s9WqZdo1K+yrumt08nEA5V+C4qdbf1J@mail.gmail.com>

The last time I used a TU it was a URA-8A Just recently I've ended up
with a HAL ST8000A. And have been
offered a Dovetron MPC-100,not sure what suffix I think it maybe a MPC-100T.

Comments on which are better or usable ? Others models ?

Someday will get another CV-89 /URA-8A and a 28ASR to recreate my old setup

Heck don't even know yet what RTTY is still on HF, won't have the
SP-600 fixed up till this winter.

-pete

From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug  1 12:46:38 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:46:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Former UPI Model 15 available in NYC
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007312154370.4526@localhost>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007312154370.4526@localhost>
Message-ID: <4C55A4EE.206@roadrunner.com>

Unlike AP, UPI never upped their speed from 60 to 66.

73  de W3NU




On 7/31/2010 22:54, Jim Haynes wrote:
> I saw this on comp.dcom.telecom and am posting it here for whomever might
> be interested.  Please contact Dave Armon, not me, as I don't know any
> more about it than what you see here.
>
> Mr. Dave Armon
> dave.armon.at.gmail.com
> cell 917-863-1008
>
> Model 15 RO, probably with "66 speed" gears. Formerly used by UPI. This
> is a preasure-feed unit, i.e., it takes regular rolls of paper, not the
> pin-feed kind.
>
> Model 15D motor 250V
>
> Serial     bpi82/97
> Motor S/N  53476
>
> The unit is in Manhattan and available for pickup there. There is no
> table.
>
>
>    

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sun Aug  1 13:36:51 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (jangus at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:36:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+akVBDuMHMrV_FxcVf5E6iy23vqM+sBmfSqR6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100801123651.9TPK3.580677.root@Web01>

Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com> wrote: 
> The last time I used a TU it was a URA-8A Just recently I've ended up
> with a HAL ST8000A.

Just a reminder... For a SASE and $2.00 I have templates and a piece of
aluminum to make a connector adapter plate for the ST-8000A TUs.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

--
Fox's Mercantile, Ranger TX

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sun Aug  1 13:34:23 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (jangus at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:34:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY patch cords
In-Reply-To: <C8B6CD727C4C4F8FACB9EAA6FB206B2B@dell3000>
Message-ID: <20100801123423.788ZQ.580642.root@Web01>

larryradio at att.net wrote: 
> Nice bunch of new patch cords on the e place.
> 
> 360269110560

And they're gone. ;-) I just bought them. I don't need all 15 of them so if
anybody needs a couple let me know. $2.50 ea plus postage.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

--
Fox's Mercantile, Ranger TX

From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 15:56:34 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:56:34 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 33 ASR in NJ on the E
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=AZdTRxE0ZF2SbkDMGEaWWg0XA9bV=ewjAS20M@mail.gmail.com>

280542573252

No assoc with seller. And looks like it has the connector to an HP
2100 .. just in case you have one

-pete

From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 19:19:01 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:19:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008011618580.2829@localhost>
References: <AANLkTin+akVBDuMHMrV_FxcVf5E6iy23vqM+sBmfSqR6@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1008011618580.2829@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinrDe9y3sKqEYrx1mAN9N7455B1gubw_bBNzTj7@mail.gmail.com>

> I'd say you are a glutton for punishment

Can't really disagree there. I also have a collection of 50's and 60's
test equipment. Although
very few tubes though. The SP-600/CV89 yea pretty crappy compared to today but
for me to have a corner of a room where stuff with glow-lamps exist is
just for memory
of a teen on HF. Kind of like my neighbor with his ground up restored
1968 Impala
talk about impractical :-)

-pete



On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I'd say you are a glutton for punishment if you are expecting to re-create
> an old RTTY station and actually use it. ?My experience with SP-600
> receivers and their predecessors is that they are far too drifty for
> satisfactory RTTY work - especially using 170 Hz shift instead of 850.
> I suspect the reason 850 was originally chosen was that it allowed a
> lot of tolerance for transmitter and receiver drift. ?When we started
> to get more stable gear, thanks to SSB, it became feasible to go to 170
> Hz shift.
>
> There is quite a bit of amateur 60 wpm RTTY left, but mainly for DX
> and contesting. ?Not that I wouldn't enjoy a ragchew in that mode,
> but most all the ragchewers have gone to PSK31.
>
> The ST-8000 and Dovetron TUs are a lot better than the CV-89 ever was.
> In particular they include regenerative repeaters, which can protect
> against the loss of several characters in a row when a stop pulse
> gets mutilated. ?I've been told but haven't verified it that the
> computer RTTY software MMTTY provides a cleaned-up output that can
> be used to drive a printer. ?The CV-89 also has the reliability
> problem of all those hot tubes sealed up in a closed box.
>
> I'm glad you want to preserve a working mechanical TTY - those are dear
> to my heart as well - but for on-the-air operation I much prefer the
> modern stuff.
>
> Jim W6JVE
>

From packard42 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 22:31:53 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:31:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Former UPI Model 15 available in NYC
In-Reply-To: <4C55A4EE.206@roadrunner.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007312154370.4526@localhost>
	<4C55A4EE.206@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <F9DE5B55-D520-46FD-ADA7-1DD54CDB29FF@gmail.com>

Charles,
Do you know, or does anyone else know, the part numbers for the 66 wpm  
gears for the M20 ?
I have numbers on my 20 that do not match any reference I can find.

Thanks,
Don
K9TTY



On 1 Aug 2010, at 11:46 AM, Charles Ring wrote:

Unlike AP, UPI never upped their speed from 60 to 66.

73  de W3NU




On 7/31/2010 22:54, Jim Haynes wrote:
> I saw this on comp.dcom.telecom and am posting it here for whomever  
> might
> be interested.  Please contact Dave Armon, not me, as I don't know any
> more about it than what you see here.
>
> Mr. Dave Armon
> dave.armon.at.gmail.com
> cell 917-863-1008
>
> Model 15 RO, probably with "66 speed" gears. Formerly used by UPI.  
> This
> is a preasure-feed unit, i.e., it takes regular rolls of paper, not  
> the
> pin-feed kind.
>
> Model 15D motor 250V
>
> Serial     bpi82/97
> Motor S/N  53476
>
> The unit is in Manhattan and available for pickup there. There is no
> table.
>
>
>
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From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sun Aug  1 22:56:09 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:56:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY patch cords
In-Reply-To: <20100801123423.788ZQ.580642.root@Web01>
References: <20100801123423.788ZQ.580642.root@Web01>
Message-ID: <4C5633C9.1060103@suddenlink.net>

On 8/1/2010 12:34 PM, jangus at suddenlink.net wrote:
> larryradio at att.net wrote:
>    
>> Nice bunch of new patch cords on the e place.
>>
>> 360269110560
>>      
> And they're gone. ;-) I just bought them.
>    
And that's the end of that, they're all spoken for.

Thanks
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From radioham at mchsi.com  Sun Aug  1 23:18:44 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:18:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimreaAMiO7LSZV6-04Nc3jkpvaFelNPs5hydW3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240824c82361048a06@10.0.1.3>
	<AANLkTimreaAMiO7LSZV6-04Nc3jkpvaFelNPs5hydW3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c87be8dc54c2@[10.0.1.198]>

Back in May I posted a question about what to do with old TTY 
manuals.  Nick England and Riceguy sain that many have been scanned 
and can be downloaded form the Internet.  But where?  I decided to 
try to find them but somehow have come up dry.  Any clues?

David  K0LUM

From steveripper at comcast.net  Mon Aug  2 00:26:45 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 00:26:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c87be8dc54c2@[10.0.1.198]>
References: <p06240824c82361048a06@10.0.1.3>	<AANLkTimreaAMiO7LSZV6-04Nc3jkpvaFelNPs5hydW3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c87be8dc54c2@[10.0.1.198]>
Message-ID: <001101cb31fa$eb7ffe10$c27ffa30$@net>

David:

Here is the link for the Model 33 documents.

http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl?Search=teletype&stype=
Partial+Word&dtype=Document+Sets

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Christ
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:19 PM
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Manuals

Back in May I posted a question about what to do with old TTY 
manuals.  Nick England and Riceguy sain that many have been scanned 
and can be downloaded form the Internet.  But where?  I decided to 
try to find them but somehow have come up dry.  Any clues?

David  K0LUM
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From packard42 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 00:40:03 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:40:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals
In-Reply-To: <001101cb31fa$eb7ffe10$c27ffa30$@net>
References: <p06240824c82361048a06@10.0.1.3>	<AANLkTimreaAMiO7LSZV6-04Nc3jkpvaFelNPs5hydW3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c87be8dc54c2@[10.0.1.198]>
	<001101cb31fa$eb7ffe10$c27ffa30$@net>
Message-ID: <E0FFAEE9-48AC-4DDB-A430-DCBE48B0409F@gmail.com>

On 1 Aug 2010, at 11:26 PM, Steve Ripper wrote:

David:

Here is the link for the Model 33 documents.

Here is a simpler link you can remember:

http://tinyurl.com/model33

Don
K9TTY


From lts.114nmain at verizon.net  Sun Aug  1 20:58:09 2010
From: lts.114nmain at verizon.net (Larry Sprinkle)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:58:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 Teletype
Message-ID: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>

I have a Model 19 Teletype machine and I would like to find it a new home.  I purchased this machine directly from a state run federal surplus agency in the late 1960s and used it as part of an RTTY receiving station.  I've had it in storage many years and need the space.  The machine is in very good contrition. Two ss rectifiers. Attached are photos. Machine is in western North Carolina.

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From bbrodie at vaporland.com  Sun Aug  1 22:26:29 2010
From: bbrodie at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:26:29 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 with Telebyte M65A
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxNS3S1Wt42GYq=ruH1P41=LWcY5-cSdePdrK+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikxNS3S1Wt42GYq=ruH1P41=LWcY5-cSdePdrK+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinCRzFnUt2OFhwhoqjVVvC5kmDWfio4xLmYeVcR@mail.gmail.com>

ok, i looked at my switch settings and I had SW2 @ half duplex, SW3 receiver
active, SW4 transmitter active and DTE set on.

i think the real trick to this thing is the wiring, and unfortunately I
don't have any idea which wires went to which terminal posts. I had RED
GREEN BLACK WHITE BLACK BLACK - six wires and five posts to attach. I messed
with that endlessly and get it printing but never got the keyboard to work
in "online" mode...

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Bryan Brodie <greenkeys at vaporland.com>wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I'm using a Telebyte M65A with my ASR35. It works pretty well, but I
> have not yet gotten the keyboard on the 35 to work for input to the
> connected computer. I know the keyboard works because it types ok in
> local mode but not online.
>
> I know this is just a configuration / wiring issue, but I am more of a
> software guy.
>
> I use this setup with an older version of Heavy Metal to telnet into
> an HP2000 time-shared BASIC minicomputer emulator running on a Dell
> server; this allows me to play blackjack on the teletype like I did in
> high school.
>
> I can use the PC keyboard and the tty printer to play around with the
> system, and one weekend when I have time to just tinker with this and
> nothing else I am going to get the 35 keyboard talking to the PC.
>
> If you buy an M65A and succeed in configuring it, please let me know
> the dip switch settings you use!
>
> Bryan Brodie
>
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
> > To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:15:23 -0300
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 with Telebyte M65A
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone has interfaced an ASR-33 to a
> > computer using a Telebyte M65A?
> >
> > Just lazy and looking for an easy way :-)
> >
> > I know, I may have to knuckle down and just get busy on
> > it... :-)
> >
> > I run my 28 ASR using an opto-isolator, but need the 20 ma
> > loop supplied by the Telebyte for the 33, and using
> > different interfaces means all I will have to do is
> > exchange the plugs to change machines...
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
> > http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html
> >
>

From wa3frp at aol.com  Mon Aug  2 08:39:46 2010
From: wa3frp at aol.com (wa3frp at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:39:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
Message-ID: <8CD0056ECD47C72-1AF0-2507A@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>


Hi Pete, 

I'm currently using a HAL ST-6 and a Teletype Model 28ASR for HF RTTY, my original setup from the 1960's and early 1970s.

Yes, there is Amateur radio RTTY on multiple frequencies but limited commercial RTTY that transmits in the clear.  One station that can be received is described on the following Web page. I am sure that there are others.:

http://www.dwd.de/bvbw/generator/DWDWWW/Content/Schifffahrt/Sendeplan/Schedule__rtty__01,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/Schedule_rtty_01.pdf

Note that the transmissions are 50 Baud - 450 Hz shift, without unshift on space.  But you can temporarily misadjust a 45.45 Baud teleprinter to satisfactorily copy 50 Baud by moving the range selector from the 65 - 75 down to the 25 - 35.

For my part, I try to keep electromechanical RTTY alive on HF and will work a sched with anyone interested.  I am QRV on 80 thru 10M.   

227 DXCC countries worked since December 2004. If the band is opened, I can work you. 

73 Russ WA3FRP



Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:32:17 -0700
From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
To: greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTin+akVBDuMHMrV_FxcVf5E6iy23vqM+sBmfSqR6 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

The last time I used a TU it was a URA-8A Just recently I've ended up
with a HAL ST8000A. And have been
offered a Dovetron MPC-100,not sure what suffix I think it maybe a MPC-100T.

Comments on which are better or usable ? Others models ?

Someday will get another CV-89 /URA-8A and a 28ASR to recreate my old setup

Heck don't even know yet what RTTY is still on HF, won't have the
SP-600 fixed up till this winter.

-pete


From jangus at suddenlink.net  Mon Aug  2 08:41:19 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 07:41:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 Teletype
In-Reply-To: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>
References: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>
Message-ID: <4C56BCEF.7070603@suddenlink.net>

On 8/1/2010 7:58 PM, Larry Sprinkle wrote:
> I have a Model 19 Teletype machine
>    
Oooohers. Pretty. Dats a nice looking machine.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 11:23:24 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:23:24 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 Teletype
In-Reply-To: <4C56BCEF.7070603@suddenlink.net>
References: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>
	<4C56BCEF.7070603@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRamO9gFBpjhVV7sJWQw-qoNYfA1Lu45aOS3mg@mail.gmail.com>

very nice and for me sadly very far away .. you should at least get a
few $'s for
keeping it and making sure it did not become cheap rebar

-pete

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Jeffrey Angus <jangus at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> On 8/1/2010 7:58 PM, Larry Sprinkle wrote:
>> I have a Model 19 Teletype machine
>>
> Oooohers. Pretty. Dats a nice looking machine.
>
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
>
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From pete at petelancashire.com  Mon Aug  2 11:28:26 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:28:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
In-Reply-To: <8CD0056ECD47C72-1AF0-2507A@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0056ECD47C72-1AF0-2507A@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=t5i9EC4LCaDTAOqwKH7zJuibV-=o7ocpri3aO@mail.gmail.com>

when I get my lic again I will .. your located .. small world. I grew
up very near !!

I figured the amount of RTTY on HF like most had dropped to close to zero ..

-pete

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:39 AM,  <wa3frp at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I'm currently using a HAL ST-6 and a Teletype Model 28ASR for HF RTTY, my original setup from the 1960's and early 1970s.
>
> Yes, there is Amateur radio RTTY on multiple frequencies but limited commercial RTTY that transmits in the clear. ?One station that can be received is described on the following Web page. I am sure that there are others.:
>
> http://www.dwd.de/bvbw/generator/DWDWWW/Content/Schifffahrt/Sendeplan/Schedule__rtty__01,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/Schedule_rtty_01.pdf
>
> Note that the transmissions are 50 Baud - 450 Hz shift, without unshift on space. ?But you can temporarily misadjust a 45.45 Baud teleprinter to satisfactorily copy 50 Baud by moving the range selector from the 65 - 75 down to the 25 - 35.
>
> For my part, I try to keep electromechanical RTTY alive on HF and will work a sched with anyone interested. ?I am QRV on 80 thru 10M.
>
> 227 DXCC countries worked since December 2004. If the band is opened, I can work you.
>
> 73 Russ WA3FRP
>
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:32:17 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] modern TU's comments
> To: greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:
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> The last time I used a TU it was a URA-8A Just recently I've ended up
> with a HAL ST8000A. And have been
> offered a Dovetron MPC-100,not sure what suffix I think it maybe a MPC-100T.
>
> Comments on which are better or usable ? Others models ?
>
> Someday will get another CV-89 /URA-8A and a 28ASR to recreate my old setup
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  2 21:39:42 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:39:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
Message-ID: <380-2201082313942268@earthlink.net>


I just came across a 26 min. training film on the AN/GRC-46, made in 1963.  You can view it at http://www.spokenword.org/program/1174008

We have a working unit at the AWA Museum.

Have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Electronic Communication Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/

From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Mon Aug  2 22:58:40 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:58:40 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
Message-ID: <c6dbd.2598ed1c.3988dfe0@aol.com>

All:

To expound a bit on what Duncan just mentioned:

For those who don't know, the AN/GRC-46 is a Radio Teletype set (rig)
that was originally mounted on the M-37 series 3/4 ton truck. The
AN/GRC-46 was used primarily by the US Army in tactical units. Power
was supplied by a 5 KW generator set on a trailer. This equipment was
in use until about 1969. After that, it was superseded by the AN/GRC-142
which was an upgraded model with the same capabilities. Primary
Teletype equipment was Kleinschmidt TT-98/FG printer and TT-76/C
Reperforator-Transmitter (TD), or any of their variants. Crypto gear
was the usual TSEC/KW-7 - for both the AN/GRC-46 and AN/GRC-142.
Operating speed was normally 60 wpm (45.5 Baud). Some European
export models were set up for 66 wpm. These rigs were common in 
the Army and could be found in Signal, Infantry, Artillery, Armor,
Quartermaster, Aviation and Test and Eval units. They were used
for message handling in most units, for spotting, targeting & TACFIRE
in Artillery units, and for Aviation Weather operations in Army Aviation
units. Most times, they were employed in Army Command/Operations
and Administrative/Logistics RATT nets. Often times, they were
co-located with tactical CommCenters in the field environment as one
of the (commcenters) various means sections. More than AN/GRC-46
or AN/GRC-142 were in proximity when working with commcenters.
When commcenters circuits went down, RATT picked up the slack;
When commcenters were swamped with traffic (especially Routine
traffic), that traffic was moved over to the RATTs which as overflow.
Most RATTS in tactical units were redundant to most tactical commcenters;
this means, where there was a tactical commcenter, there was also
a RATT at the same location, so traffic could always mover over either
RATT or the commcenter, commcenter being the primary system of
choice. Both the AN/GRC-46/142 were One-Way-Reversible (OWR)
operations only, or what we in the commcenter usually called "half duplex".
You could only send or receive at a time, but could not do both with the
same equipment. These systems worked on High Frequency (HF) only.
Later model AN/GRC-142s had provision for a wire-line "pony" circuit
to the commcenter, which was usually unsecure (since the RATT and
commcenter were inside the same SECURE perimeters when operating
together).

On the Y side (DSSCS), RATTs were used for Intel traffic to pass Exercise
COMINT traffic in the field; they also passed intercepted G-2 Weather
traffic and sometimes supported Corps and Division SWO operations.
In Europe, Russian Weather from RUMS was often intercepted by G-2s
at both Corps and Divisions levels. RUMS was the call letters for a large
and powerful HF Russian weather transmitting station in Vladivostok 
during the Cold War. It transmitted synoptic WX data at 60 wpm, clear text.
(The Russian RUMS not to be confused with the large US Army tape relay
at Phu Lam, with the Routing Indicator RUMS, 1959 thru 1970).

These rigs could also be used for passing tactical Intel (enemy sightings,
grid coordinates for patrols, and other tac-intel operations in the field;
as well as other Intel Operational and Informational traffic). The AN/GRC-
46s and 142s did not handle GUARDRAIL traffic, nor did it support any
of the TROJAN operations in the tactical units.

Hope this helps.

Dave

From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Mon Aug  2 23:30:11 2010
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:30:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 and 14 WANTED
In-Reply-To: <E0FFAEE9-48AC-4DDB-A430-DCBE48B0409F@gmail.com>
References: <p06240824c82361048a06@10.0.1.3>
	<AANLkTimreaAMiO7LSZV6-04Nc3jkpvaFelNPs5hydW3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c87be8dc54c2@[10.0.1.198]>	<001101cb31fa$eb7ffe10$c27ffa30$@net>
	<E0FFAEE9-48AC-4DDB-A430-DCBE48B0409F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C578D43.1030103@verizon.net>

Considering I have been beaten twice in almost as many weeks, I want to 
repeat this WANTED ad for a model 14 and 19. I'm in central New York , 
and  will travel within reason to pick up a 19. The 14 should be small 
and light enough to ship. Prefer a military surplus unit if possible. 
Please include price and your location in first response.  Thanks, Bruce 
Gentry KA2IVY

From WA5CAB at cs.com  Mon Aug  2 23:35:40 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:35:40 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
Message-ID: <d56d.653ba5d9.3988e88c@cs.com>

The vehicular set was actually AN/VRC-29.  The primary component of 
AN/VRC-29 and AN/GRC-46 is AN/GRC-19.  The primary component of AN/GRC-142 is 
AN/GRC-106.

In a message dated 8/2/2010 9:59:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
NNN7DXB at aol.com writes: 
> To expound a bit on what Duncan just mentioned:
> 
> For those who don't know, the AN/GRC-46 is a Radio Teletype set (rig)
> that was originally mounted on the M-37 series 3/4 ton truck. The
> AN/GRC-46 was used primarily by the US Army in tactical units. Power
> was supplied by a 5 KW generator set on a trailer. This equipment was
> in use until about 1969. After that, it was superseded by the AN/GRC-142
> which was an upgraded model with the same capabilities. Primary
> Teletype equipment was Kleinschmidt TT-98/FG printer and TT-76/C
> Reperforator-Transmitter (TD), or any of their variants. Crypto gear
> was the usual TSEC/KW-7 - for both the AN/GRC-46 and AN/GRC-142.
> Operating speed was normally 60 wpm (45.5 Baud). Some European
> export models were set up for 66 wpm. These rigs were common in 
> the Army and could be found in Signal, Infantry, Artillery, Armor,
> Quartermaster, Aviation and Test and Eval units. They were used
> for message handling in most units, for spotting, targeting &TACFIRE
> in Artillery units, and for Aviation Weather operations in Army Aviation
> units. Most times, they were employed in Army Command/Operations
> and Administrative/Logistics RATT nets. Often times, they were
> co-located with tactical CommCenters in the field environment as one
> of the (commcenters) various means sections. More than AN/GRC-46
> or AN/GRC-142 were in proximity when working with commcenters.
> When commcenters circuits went down, RATT picked up the slack;
> When commcenters were swamped with traffic (especially Routine
> traffic), that traffic was moved over to the RATTs which as overflow.
> Most RATTS in tactical units were redundant to most tactical commcenters;
> this means, where there was a tactical commcenter, there was also
> a RATT at the same location, so traffic could always mover over either
> RATT or the commcenter, commcenter being the primary system of
> choice. Both the AN/GRC-46/142 were One-Way-Reversible (OWR)
> operations only, or what we in the commcenter usually called "half 
> duplex".
> You could only send or receive at a time, but could not do both with the
> same equipment. These systems worked on High Frequency (HF) only.
> Later model AN/GRC-142s had provision for a wire-line "pony" circuit
> to the commcenter, which was usually unsecure (since the RATT and
> commcenter were inside the same SECURE perimeters when operating
> together).
> 
> On the Y side (DSSCS), RATTs were used for Intel traffic to pass Exercise
> COMINT traffic in the field; they also passed intercepted G-2 Weather
> traffic and sometimes supported Corps and Division SWO operations.
> In Europe, Russian Weather from RUMS was often intercepted by G-2s
> at both Corps and Divisions levels. RUMS was the call letters for a large
> and powerful HF Russian weather transmitting station in Vladivostok 
> during the Cold War. It transmitted synoptic WX data at 60 wpm, clear 
> text.
> (The Russian RUMS not to be confused with the large US Army tape relay
> at Phu Lam, with the Routing Indicator RUMS, 1959 thru 1970).
> 
> These rigs could also be used for passing tactical Intel (enemy sightings,
> grid coordinates for patrols, and other tac-intel operations in the field;
> as well as other Intel Operational and Informational traffic). The AN/GRC-
> 46s and 142s did not handle GUARDRAIL traffic, nor did it support any
> of the TROJAN operations in the tactical units.
> 

> Hope this helps.
> 
> Dave
> 

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug  3 00:08:25 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:08:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Former UPI Model 15 available in NYC
In-Reply-To: <F9DE5B55-D520-46FD-ADA7-1DD54CDB29FF@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007312154370.4526@localhost>
	<4C55A4EE.206@roadrunner.com>
	<F9DE5B55-D520-46FD-ADA7-1DD54CDB29FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C579639.1020709@roadrunner.com>

Sorry, I don't have any gear info on the Model 20. I also don't know 
what speeds were standard on it.

73 de W3NU


On 8/1/2010 22:31, Don Robert House wrote:
> Charles,
> Do you know, or does anyone else know, the part numbers for the 66 wpm 
> gears for the M20 ?
> I have numbers on my 20 that do not match any reference I can find.
>
> Thanks,
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
>
> On 1 Aug 2010, at 11:46 AM, Charles Ring wrote:
>
> Unlike AP, UPI never upped their speed from 60 to 66.
>
> 73  de W3NU
>
>
>
>
> On 7/31/2010 22:54, Jim Haynes wrote:
>> I saw this on comp.dcom.telecom and am posting it here for whomever 
>> might
>> be interested.  Please contact Dave Armon, not me, as I don't know any
>> more about it than what you see here.
>>
>> Mr. Dave Armon
>> dave.armon.at.gmail.com
>> cell 917-863-1008
>>
>> Model 15 RO, probably with "66 speed" gears. Formerly used by UPI. This
>> is a preasure-feed unit, i.e., it takes regular rolls of paper, not the
>> pin-feed kind.
>>
>> Model 15D motor 250V
>>
>> Serial     bpi82/97
>> Motor S/N  53476
>>
>> The unit is in Manhattan and available for pickup there. There is no
>> table.
>>
>>
>>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 11:57:30 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:57:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reperf punch update
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=1o7t-UG8Fnhdh-d4--VEEeQ77TTGHq_j1WD3z@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW, an update on my 28RT reperf project where some holes punched OK
and others barely poked the tape.
Evidence at http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/IMG_2052.JPG

   Well, I finally decided that the punch slides or the slide post
that moves them really must be worn - the slides for the non-working
holes clearly had some free play and weren't lifting the pins as far.
   So last night I gritted my teeth, cleared off my bench, and removed
the punch sub-assembly (punch block, punch slides, toggle bail, etc. -
see http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/perf-71.JPG )
from the rest of the reperf (selector, transfer latches, frame,
printer, etc.). This reperf does not have the power backspace so that
made it easier. Then I sneaked out the two bad punch slides and
sneaked in some from a busted reperf that I disassembled. I am
*Extremely Glad* I was able to sneak these slides out/in, as I very
much doubt I would have ever been able to completely disassemble this
thing and re-assemble it to working condition - Geez, there are a lot
of interconnected little parts in these gadgets!!!
   Then I re-gritted my teeth and attached the punch sub-assembly back
to the rest of the mechanism, spending a good while fiddling the punch
slides to mesh with the transfer levers and punch slide latches OK.
Now all 5 punch pins get pushed up OK, but the selected punch slides
don't get reset by the punch slide reset bail properly at the end of
the cycle so I still haven't got something lined up right. I'm hoping
another session tonight will fix that. Wish me luck.
   If you have read this far, you must be interested or amused by my
fumbling novice efforts. Thanks for the help and encouragement - this
is a great group of folks.
cheers,
Nick K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  3 20:46:30 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:46:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
Message-ID: <380-2201083404630705@earthlink.net>

The AN/GRC-46 consisted of the radio (AN/GRC-19) and TTY equipment mounted
in a S-144 type shelter, which was typically mounted on a 3/4 ton M37
truck. 
 
The AN/VRC-29 consisted of the same radio & TTY equipment mounted in an
armored personnel carrier (no shelter).
 
See TM 11-5815-204-10 & TM 11-5815-204-20 on Google Books. (These manuals
were originally printed in 1959/60, but the most recent change notice shown
is June 1980.) The AN/GRC-142 "replacement" was fielded in 1967 ( I saw one
at our Batallion HQ in Viet Nam in 1967.) But apparently the GRC-46 must
have been pretty good to be still in service about 15 years after it was
"replaced" by the GRC-142.
 
The primary power was 28VDC which could be supplied by the vehicle (or an
external generator), thus the GRC-46/VRC-29 could be operated "mobile".
(There were 28VDC motor-generators to provide 115VAC for the TTY & crypto
equipment.)
 
Have fun,
 
Duncan
 
 
> [Original Message]
> From: <WA5CAB at cs.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 02-Aug-10 23:36:59
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
>
> The vehicular set was actually AN/VRC-29. The primary component of 
> AN/VRC-29 and AN/GRC-46 is AN/GRC-19. The primary component of AN/GRC-142
is 
> AN/GRC-106.
>
> In a message dated 8/2/2010 9:59:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> NNN7DXB at aol.com writes: 
> > To expound a bit on what Duncan just mentioned:
> > 
> > For those who don't know, the AN/GRC-46 is a Radio Teletype set (rig)
> > that was originally mounted on the M-37 series 3/4 ton truck. The
> > AN/GRC-46 was used primarily by the US Army in tactical units. Power
> > was supplied by a 5 KW generator set on a trailer. This equipment was
> > in use until about 1969. After that, it was superseded by the AN/GRC-142
> > which was an upgraded model with the same capabilities. Primary
> > Teletype equipment was Kleinschmidt TT-98/FG printer and TT-76/C
> > Reperforator-Transmitter (TD), or any of their variants. Crypto gear
> > was the usual TSEC/KW-7 - for both the AN/GRC-46 and AN/GRC-142.



From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Tue Aug  3 21:41:29 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:41:29 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
Message-ID: <a726c.32bfa1bc.398a1f49@aol.com>

HI Duncan:

The idea of operating any of the Army's RATTs "mobile" was largely
a designers idea. Matter of fact, after 1966 or so, the concept of 
operating any of these rigs mobile (as in convoy formation) was
prohibited because of a serious incident that occured in Frankfurt,
Germany involving an AN/GRC-26D and German trolley car wires 
in downtown Frankfurt. The GRC-26D involved was blitzed beyond
repair and the 2 operators seriously injured when the whip antenna
came in contact with the overhead trolley wires. The trolley system
was shut down as a result for several days. The incident involved
the 32nd Signal Battalion out of Hoechts (McNair Kaserne) in
early 1966 during a day move to the field. The GRC-26D was part
of a 2nd March Unit (2nd convoy involving a Corps "Main" deployment).
(in the 50s and 60s, German trollies (street cars) ran in the streets;
overhead wire lines were common. In the 70s, these were eventually
moved underground and became the subway systems (U-Bahn) networks
that exist today).

Operating mobile also created problems with grounding of equipment
on wheeled vehicles. There were provisions for grounding, but they
rarely ever worked as intended. Ungrounded commo gear (esp TTY)
garbled all to hell).

Soon after this incident, MACOMS were advised NOT to operate these
types of rigs on the move, especially in cities, towns and villages. I
don't recall who issued the order, but it was widely followed by all
V ad VII Corps commands after 1966. The Canadian Army in Germany
(4th CMBG, HQ & Signals Squadron, had a similar nasty experience
operating mobile in the Baden Wurtemburg area using an AN/GRC-142
in the early 80s. They too issued similar orders to stop the practice.
When I was in the 1st Inf Div (Fwd), 3rd Bde, we were paired with the
Canadian units often, and frequently interoperated in Signal functions
with them. They used the same equipment as we did.

The VRC track mounted RATTs were permitted to operate, but had
to follow the same operating guidelines as jeep (M151) mounted
RT-524 FM radio systems  using whip antennas. There were further
restrictions in that the track-mounted RATTS could only operate
during day time, and only in "open field" areas where there were
no wire lines. In most Army commands, especially in Germany,
VRCs generally did NOT operate on the move during peace time
or during Cold War field maneuvers. I am sure that in real war-
time conditions, they would have operated. There were some
occassions when we operated RATTs inside our M-577 Command
Tracks "on the move", but generally, this was only to copy or 
monitor traffic, and not to send (i.e. not to key the transmitters).
(With all the banging and crashing inside a moving track, it was
virutally impossible to "poke" (type) any message traffic; you could
not even sit in a chair without getting tossed out most times, so
most guys just hunkered down until we stopped and set up camp.

Other considerations were that Germany has a LOT of forests. US
Army units traversed these forests, and as a result, bobbing whip
antennas (made of fiber glass) often broke, snapped, cracked or
were so severely damaged that trying to operate "mobile" was just
not practical. Too much unsustainable damage to the antennas resulted.
Some units tried pulling antennas down with a clip, so that the whip
was facing "backward". This too was impractical, becuase it greatly
diminished reception on the move for HF. Even so, antennas still
got broken.

Another consideration from my experience with moving tracked
vehicles is that usually - you moved around in those things "buttoned
up". You (the operators) couldn't see outside; only the driver and
the TC could see, and they generally went where the rest of the march
unit went, rather than selected their own routes. Antenna-friendly
routes in the field were never a consideration on their parts.

The performance on the move with Kleinschmidt teletype gear
was less than gratifying at times, esp with the TT-98s which could
not stand up to the banging around inside of the track (which often
offered an extremely bumpy and rough ride). I don't recall the 28VDC
electrical system (memory fades); seems the M-577s had a 4.2 KW
generator mounted topside.

The M-577s often went "off road". They went where most of our
wheeled vehicles dared not go, and were generally assigned to different
March Units than the wheels.


The AN/GRC-122s and GRC-142s could be operated with most
late model trucks, mostly GAMMA Goats using a 100 amp kit which
turned the vehicles 3-cylinder diesel engine into a generator. The 
drawback to this was that this kind of operation could only be done
during the halt, and not on the move. The 100 amp kit did not work
while the vehicles engine was being used as the prime mover. Some
Signal units used M-880s or similar commerical-type pick up trucks
in later years that had the 100 amp kit, although I never worked
with any of those. Nearly all wheeled vehicles that were equipped
with the 100 amp kits - also pulled a 5 or 10 KW generator trailer.
The trailer often carried 2 generators (either 2 5 KWs, or 2 10 KWs,
plus at least 5 ea 5 gal gas cans and the proverbial "donkey dick"
feeder system).

I never worked with the GRC-26D or the GRC-46s using any onboard
power. My time, we always used 5 and 10 KW trailer mounted gas
generators, same stuff used with AN/MGC-17s, AN/MSC-29s, et al.
Sometimes, the entire Command Group used a 600 KW diesel 
generator that powered everything....

Dave

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  3 23:05:23 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 23:05:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
Message-ID: <380-220108343523257@earthlink.net>

Dave,

Yes, designers often have little field experience and so they come up with impractical ideas.  I can't understand how anyone would think they could operate a GRC-26D in a city, especially with trolly lines!!  (maybe they just forgot to put the antenna down)

I never saw a GRC-46 operated mobile.  I agree, the TT-98 probably wouldn't do well with the vibration, though the TT-76 might have been OK. Of course the operator might have had a little trouble keeping his fingers on the keyboard.  The only practical mobile operation would have been voice or CW, and then only in the "field" away from any trees.  In Viet Nam, we rarely used the radios in the GRC-46. The Kw-7 connected to a modem (TH-5/TG) and went out on a dedicated phone line.  So we just ran a 115VAC extension cord into the shelter to power the TTYs & KW-7.  This was 1967 with the 337th Radio Research Co. supporting the 1st Infantry Div.

The early AN/GRC-46s had a big, two pin, connector in the front wall (behind the TT-76) for the 28VDC in.  I guess a mating connector was wired into the vehicle electric system. To switch to external generator, one would have to remove the vehicle connector and screw on a cable from the generator.
  At some point (c1967?) there was a modification to add a second power connector (next to the original one) for the external generator. A big switch box was added to the right of the TT-76 to be able to switch between vehicle power and external generator power.  

I was actually working in a GRC-46C today at the AWA Museum. Trying to get it working, but found I am missing a cable.

Have fun,

Duncan

From k1lky at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  3 23:10:35 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 23:10:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reperf punch update
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=1o7t-UG8Fnhdh-d4--VEEeQ77TTGHq_j1WD3z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=1o7t-UG8Fnhdh-d4--VEEeQ77TTGHq_j1WD3z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86B78110-36A0-4620-A89E-800040E716E5@earthlink.net>


On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Nick England wrote:

> ... I... removed the punch sub-assembly
...
> ...you must be interested or amused by my
> fumbling novice efforts.

Nick,

I say that if you keep this up, you won't be novice-like for long!

Good on ya!

Roy


Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!




From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Wed Aug  4 00:06:32 2010
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:06:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
In-Reply-To: <380-220108343523257@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1CEC2164F00A43DCADB0F1A33868262F@scottrazc0kgay>

Well, it is after all, A "G"RC-46, not a "V"RC-46, so it is implied that it
is not used in motion. I can't see where it was contemplated in the manuals,
either. Same goes for the GRC-142 and -122.

Scott W7SVJ

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duncan M. Brown
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:05 PM
To: NNN7DXB at aol.com
Cc: greenkeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46


Dave,

Yes, designers often have little field experience and so they come up with
impractical ideas.  I can't understand how anyone would think they could
operate a GRC-26D in a city, especially with trolly lines!!  (maybe they
just forgot to put the antenna down)

I never saw a GRC-46 operated mobile.  I agree, the TT-98 probably wouldn't
do well with the vibration, though the TT-76 might have been OK. Of course
the operator might have had a little trouble keeping his fingers on the
keyboard.  The only practical mobile operation would have been voice or CW,
and then only in the "field" away from any trees.  In Viet Nam, we rarely
used the radios in the GRC-46. The Kw-7 connected to a modem (TH-5/TG) and
went out on a dedicated phone line.  So we just ran a 115VAC extension cord
into the shelter to power the TTYs & KW-7.  This was 1967 with the 337th
Radio Research Co. supporting the 1st Infantry Div.

The early AN/GRC-46s had a big, two pin, connector in the front wall (behind
the TT-76) for the 28VDC in.  I guess a mating connector was wired into the
vehicle electric system. To switch to external generator, one would have to
remove the vehicle connector and screw on a cable from the generator.
  At some point (c1967?) there was a modification to add a second power
connector (next to the original one) for the external generator. A big
switch box was added to the right of the TT-76 to be able to switch between
vehicle power and external generator power.  

I was actually working in a GRC-46C today at the AWA Museum. Trying to get
it working, but found I am missing a cable.

Have fun,

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From paulpenn at knology.net  Wed Aug  4 11:13:50 2010
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:13:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
References: <a726c.32bfa1bc.398a1f49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FAEF1D09BA9044F681690F6A289E147C@T42PAUL>

Interesting story, Duncan.

Since the discussion veered off into operating the AN/GRC-26D while in 
motion, I thought I would add this.  I was stationed at Ft. Riley, Kansas in 
1965-1967, at a fixed station HF transmitter site.  At some point we were 
issued an AN/GRC-26D, probably because it was really fixed station equipment 
mounted in a large shelter mounted on a deuce-and-a-half truck (2 R-390 
receivers, CV-116 converter, and T-368 transmitter).  I liked to fiddle with 
it, so I ordered the missing technical manuals and spare tubes and fuses to 
bring it up to complete condition.  Some reserve unit got a really nice rig 
when they transferred it.

Anyway, I thought it would be fun to see if it would work while driving down 
the highway pulling its 5KW generator on a trailer.  As I recall, the reason 
mobile operation was not recommended was that exhaust fumes from the truck 
might enter the shelter.  We picked a nice day when we could leave the 
shelter windows closed, and took off down I-70.  My memory is that we drove 
for about an hour before the signal faded out.  The antenna was held 
part-way down with a nylon rope.

If you've ever been to Kansas, you know that trees are seldom encountered. 
In most places, you can't even SEE a tree.  Also, I-70 runs in pretty much a 
straight line from Missouri to Colorado.  In this specialized case, the gear 
worked fine!

Paul Pennington
Augusta, Georgia

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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46


> HI Duncan:
>
> The idea of operating any of the Army's RATTs "mobile" was largely
> a designers idea. Matter of fact, after 1966 or so, the concept of
> operating any of these rigs mobile (as in convoy formation) was
> prohibited because of a serious incident that occured in Frankfurt,
> Germany involving an AN/GRC-26D and German trolley car wires
> in downtown Frankfurt. The GRC-26D involved was blitzed beyond
> repair and the 2 operators seriously injured when the whip antenna
> came in contact with the overhead trolley wires. The trolley system
> was shut down as a result for several days. The incident involved
> the 32nd Signal Battalion out of Hoechts (McNair Kaserne) in
> early 1966 during a day move to the field. The GRC-26D was part
> of a 2nd March Unit (2nd convoy involving a Corps "Main" deployment).
> (in the 50s and 60s, German trollies (street cars) ran in the streets;
> overhead wire lines were common. In the 70s, these were eventually
> moved underground and became the subway systems (U-Bahn) networks
> that exist today).
>
> Operating mobile also created problems with grounding of equipment
> on wheeled vehicles. There were provisions for grounding, but they
> rarely ever worked as intended. Ungrounded commo gear (esp TTY)
> garbled all to hell).
>
> Soon after this incident, MACOMS were advised NOT to operate these
> types of rigs on the move, especially in cities, towns and villages. I
> don't recall who issued the order, but it was widely followed by all
> V ad VII Corps commands after 1966. The Canadian Army in Germany
> (4th CMBG, HQ & Signals Squadron, had a similar nasty experience
> operating mobile in the Baden Wurtemburg area using an AN/GRC-142
> in the early 80s. They too issued similar orders to stop the practice.
> When I was in the 1st Inf Div (Fwd), 3rd Bde, we were paired with the
> Canadian units often, and frequently interoperated in Signal functions
> with them. They used the same equipment as we did.
>
> The VRC track mounted RATTs were permitted to operate, but had
> to follow the same operating guidelines as jeep (M151) mounted
> RT-524 FM radio systems  using whip antennas. There were further
> restrictions in that the track-mounted RATTS could only operate
> during day time, and only in "open field" areas where there were
> no wire lines. In most Army commands, especially in Germany,
> VRCs generally did NOT operate on the move during peace time
> or during Cold War field maneuvers. I am sure that in real war-
> time conditions, they would have operated. There were some
> occassions when we operated RATTs inside our M-577 Command
> Tracks "on the move", but generally, this was only to copy or
> monitor traffic, and not to send (i.e. not to key the transmitters).
> (With all the banging and crashing inside a moving track, it was
> virutally impossible to "poke" (type) any message traffic; you could
> not even sit in a chair without getting tossed out most times, so
> most guys just hunkered down until we stopped and set up camp.
>
> Other considerations were that Germany has a LOT of forests. US
> Army units traversed these forests, and as a result, bobbing whip
> antennas (made of fiber glass) often broke, snapped, cracked or
> were so severely damaged that trying to operate "mobile" was just
> not practical. Too much unsustainable damage to the antennas resulted.
> Some units tried pulling antennas down with a clip, so that the whip
> was facing "backward". This too was impractical, becuase it greatly
> diminished reception on the move for HF. Even so, antennas still
> got broken.
>
> Another consideration from my experience with moving tracked
> vehicles is that usually - you moved around in those things "buttoned
> up". You (the operators) couldn't see outside; only the driver and
> the TC could see, and they generally went where the rest of the march
> unit went, rather than selected their own routes. Antenna-friendly
> routes in the field were never a consideration on their parts.
>
> The performance on the move with Kleinschmidt teletype gear
> was less than gratifying at times, esp with the TT-98s which could
> not stand up to the banging around inside of the track (which often
> offered an extremely bumpy and rough ride). I don't recall the 28VDC
> electrical system (memory fades); seems the M-577s had a 4.2 KW
> generator mounted topside.
>
> The M-577s often went "off road". They went where most of our
> wheeled vehicles dared not go, and were generally assigned to different
> March Units than the wheels.
>
>
> The AN/GRC-122s and GRC-142s could be operated with most
> late model trucks, mostly GAMMA Goats using a 100 amp kit which
> turned the vehicles 3-cylinder diesel engine into a generator. The
> drawback to this was that this kind of operation could only be done
> during the halt, and not on the move. The 100 amp kit did not work
> while the vehicles engine was being used as the prime mover. Some
> Signal units used M-880s or similar commerical-type pick up trucks
> in later years that had the 100 amp kit, although I never worked
> with any of those. Nearly all wheeled vehicles that were equipped
> with the 100 amp kits - also pulled a 5 or 10 KW generator trailer.
> The trailer often carried 2 generators (either 2 5 KWs, or 2 10 KWs,
> plus at least 5 ea 5 gal gas cans and the proverbial "donkey dick"
> feeder system).
>
> I never worked with the GRC-26D or the GRC-46s using any onboard
> power. My time, we always used 5 and 10 KW trailer mounted gas
> generators, same stuff used with AN/MGC-17s, AN/MSC-29s, et al.
> Sometimes, the entire Command Group used a 600 KW diesel
> generator that powered everything....
>
> Dave
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 11:32:33 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:32:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reperf punch update
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=1o7t-UG8Fnhdh-d4--VEEeQ77TTGHq_j1WD3z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=1o7t-UG8Fnhdh-d4--VEEeQ77TTGHq_j1WD3z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=mByOQ+r86Wewe4K+Q1ew=K5jpNSyn4eATY8Lz@mail.gmail.com>

TA-DA ! All holes punched and accounted for, sir.
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-84.JPG
Many thanks to folks here for help and encouragement.

I'm mainly writing this stuff up for my own notes, but also in case
someone goes searching the archives looking for info on a similar
problem. So yes, the punch slides can wear and this leads to improper
punching. There is felt wick attached to the slide post (the part that
engages the slides to lift them and their associated punch pins), but
it is deep inside and may not get oiled as it should.

In reassembly, my chief issue was getting the perforater drive arm
rocker correctly re-connected to the toggle shaft that wiggles the
toggle bail and toggle link. I didn't find this info in the
adjustments section of the manual I have (perhaps I just missed it),
but it is critical in order for the punch slides to engage the slide
post properly when unlatched and to get re-latched by the reset bail.
Illustration at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/perf-71.JPG

OK, I'll be quiet for a while - next up is getting the TD running on this 28RT.
cheers,
Nick
www.navy-radio.com

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, an update on my 28RT reperf project where some holes punched OK
> and others barely poked the tape.
> Evidence at http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/IMG_2052.JPG
>
> ? Well, I finally decided that the punch slides or the slide post
> that moves them really must be worn - the slides for the non-working
> holes clearly had some free play and weren't lifting the pins as far.
> ? So last night I gritted my teeth, cleared off my bench, and removed
> the punch sub-assembly (punch block, punch slides, toggle bail, etc. -
> see http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/perf-71.JPG )
> from the rest of the reperf (selector, transfer latches, frame,
> printer, etc.). This reperf does not have the power backspace so that
> made it easier. Then I sneaked out the two bad punch slides and
> sneaked in some from a busted reperf that I disassembled. I am
> *Extremely Glad* I was able to sneak these slides out/in, as I very
> much doubt I would have ever been able to completely disassemble this
> thing and re-assemble it to working condition - Geez, there are a lot
> of interconnected little parts in these gadgets!!!
> ? Then I re-gritted my teeth and attached the punch sub-assembly back
> to the rest of the mechanism, spending a good while fiddling the punch
> slides to mesh with the transfer levers and punch slide latches OK.
> Now all 5 punch pins get pushed up OK, but the selected punch slides
> don't get reset by the punch slide reset bail properly at the end of
> the cycle so I still haven't got something lined up right. I'm hoping
> another session tonight will fix that. Wish me luck.
> ? If you have read this far, you must be interested or amused by my
> fumbling novice efforts. Thanks for the help and encouragement - this
> is a great group of folks.
> cheers,
> Nick K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>

From sgm460122 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  4 11:51:39 2010
From: sgm460122 at yahoo.com (Rich MC Clung)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17802.1280934838.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <115280.48722.qm@web80010.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


So what about the AN/VSC-1, AN/VSC-2, AN/VSC-2A, and the AN/VSC-3?
?
RICH? WA6KNW

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug  4 12:08:53 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:08:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46
In-Reply-To: <FAEF1D09BA9044F681690F6A289E147C@T42PAUL>
References: <a726c.32bfa1bc.398a1f49@aol.com>
	<FAEF1D09BA9044F681690F6A289E147C@T42PAUL>
Message-ID: <4C599095.2000101@bellsouth.net>

Paul A. Pennington wrote:
> If you've ever been to Kansas, you know that trees are seldom encountered. 
> In most places, you can't even SEE a tree.  Also, I-70 runs in pretty much a 
> straight line from Missouri to Colorado.  In this specialized case, the gear 
> worked fine!
>   
When I was a "mid-teen" (somewhere around 1964 - 1966) I was 
learning
radio pretty fast - and had a "mentor" who was into radio 
somewhat.
While not a HAM - he did have one of the first CB radios 
(Johnson
Messenger in his (personal / private) jeep - which was 
really a Scout or
such) - and in his unit (California National Guard) they had 
their own
communications shelter / truck - which he liked to "play 
with". I recall
when they updated it (it was a while before I got my FCC 1st 
- so
sometime before fall 1966) he came over all excited telling 
me about
their new radio -- an "ANGRY-19".  I got to play with it 
some time
later- and it was one impressive installation - esp. since 
the "baddest
thing" I had was a BC-654.  He told me that while they 
weren't supposed
to "routinely" run it mobile (i.e. rolling) - they could get 
decent
power out as long as they watched the temp.  I asked him 
about grounding
- he noted that the duce-and-a-half made a fair ground 
plane.  He also
thought the tires were somewhat conductive - though even he 
admitted
that whoever told him that might have been pulling his chain 
(something
about graphite mixed in the rubber?)...  The funnest part of 
knowing
Dick *wasn't* getting to ride in his Army jeep (real one in 
that case),
and even catching a ride once in a tank (up at Camp 
Roberts)! Nope -  it
was that he was an endless source of M80s (real ones!) and 
other such
"toys"...  precision fuse to time their "announcement", and 
no fear
about "deploying" them against any and all curmudgeons and 
other
"bah-hum bug" types...  (He also had a carbide cannon that 
wasn't "shy"
about speaking either!) <grin!>

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com



From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 13:06:55 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:06:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kansas (was Re:  RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46)
In-Reply-To: <FAEF1D09BA9044F681690F6A289E147C@T42PAUL>
References: <a726c.32bfa1bc.398a1f49@aol.com>
	<FAEF1D09BA9044F681690F6A289E147C@T42PAUL>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008041200580.6294@localhost>

One time I was driving from Kansas City to Oklahoma City - I no longer
remember the route - I was driving through some _very_ gently rolling
country and passed a billboard reading "You are now traveling through
the beautiful <somethingorother> mountains of Kansas."  Can't say they
don't have a sense of humor.

From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed Aug  4 13:12:15 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:12:15 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kansas (was Re:  RADIO TELETYPEWRITER AN/GRC-46)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008041200580.6294@localhost>
References: <a726c.32bfa1bc.398a1f49@aol.com>,
	<FAEF1D09BA9044F681690F6A289E147C@T42PAUL>,
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1008041200580.6294@localhost>
Message-ID: <4C59753F.10783.3F4A54@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more. 

The Wizard of Oz, 1939

Dave

On 4 Aug 2010 at 12:06, Jim Haynes wrote:

> One time I was driving from Kansas City to Oklahoma City - I
> no longer remember the route - I was driving through some
> _very_ gently rolling country and passed a billboard reading
> "You are now traveling through the beautiful
> <somethingorother> mountains of Kansas."  Can't say they
> don't have a sense of humor.



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From dmm at lemur.com  Wed Aug  4 14:15:48 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:15:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals
Message-ID: <201008041808.ACH68642@rg7.cniteam.com>


On Sunday, David Christ wrote:
>Back in May I posted a question about what to do with old TTY 
>manuals.  Nick England and Riceguy sain that many have been scanned 
>and can be downloaded form the Internet.  But where?  I decided to 
>try to find them but somehow have come up dry.  Any clues?
>
>David  K0LUM

and a couple of folks responded with the location online of Model 33
manuals.  Just to complete the list, see also the extensive archives at:

http://www.rtty.com/development/index.html
http://www.hertzmail.com/TTY/
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/teletype/


I've also scanned TM 11-2215; it's now online on The Internet Archive:

http://www.archive.org/details/TM_11_2215_Teletypewriter_TT_5_FG_Model_15

and the short TTY bulletin 1044 for relays; it's at:

http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/temp/teletype-bulletin-1044-issue-4-1940-11-RY-20-WECO-215A-and-RY-28-WECO215H-and-RY-30-WECO255A-2048x.pdf

but as it will move online it is better tracked through an index of digital
reprints at:

http://www.circuitousroot.com/reprints.html

If your interests extend to the Teletypesetter (6-level tape) and some
related 6-level typesetting tape apparatus (e.g., the Compugraphics Justape),
I've scanned 13 DVD's worth of this so far.  It's not online (yet!)
but I'm happy to make copies of the DVDs for serious enthusiasts.


I would also note that I'm willing to archive pretty much any amount
of TTY (and TTS, and Linotype, etc.) documentation rather than see it
go to the landfill, and to scan it as time permits.
(Right now the scanning queue is pretty full with a Thompson Typecaster
manual and a new stack of TTS documents lent to me, but I will get to
the rest of the TTY docs that I have, in time.)



As there is a good sense of community to greenkeys, I'll also note some
of the reasons it has taken me three days to respond to David Christ's
posting.

First, I hauled home yet another Linotype this last weekend (this makes
five Linotypes in all).  Regrettably I have few pictures of this move
(too busy rigging).  Here is a view of the machine before we moved it,
from a friend's flickr photostream:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/firebrat/2698640581/in/set-72157603226878836/

Here it is last Sunday, safely in my driveway:
http://www.lemur.com/private/m5wrapped-crop-1024.jpg
http://www.lemur.com/private/m5unwrapped-1024.jpg

We had to take about 1/3 of the machine apart just to fit it through
the bricked-up ex-storefront of the building it was in.  This was more
disassembly than I'd planned, but it did help distribute the load.
The part in the trailer is perhaps 1,500 lbs.  The rest went in the truck.
Reassembling it is going to be an educational experience.

It went onto the trailer with a come-along, but was able to use my
tractor (with pallet forks) to remove it from the trailer.

You can perhaps see why I don't look upon Teletypes as heavy :-)

This is the fifth Linotype, but the first one that I've managed to move
(a) without a forklift, and (b) in my own trailer.

The other time-consuming item has been building what will be (in part)
the new home for this machine:

http://www.lemur.com/temp/building/


So I'm just a little bit tired right now :-)

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  4 14:37:57 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:37:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals
In-Reply-To: <201008041808.ACH68642@rg7.cniteam.com>
References: <201008041808.ACH68642@rg7.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008041337090.6685@localhost>

I'm sure glad you are preserving these wondrous old machines.

Here's an appropriate Mark Twain quote.

"All the other wonderful inventions of the human brain sink pretty nearly
into commonplaces contrasted with this awful mechanical miracle.
Telephones, telegraphs, locomotives, cotton-gins, sewing-machines, Babbage
calculators, Jacquard looms, perfecting presses, all mere toys,
simplicities!"
 	Mark Twain, 1889 (writing about the Paige typesetter)



From iamvirtual at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 17:11:12 2010
From: iamvirtual at gmail.com (B M)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:11:12 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
Message-ID: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>

On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
installed.  Does anyone have information on this modem?  I have
googled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
but no further information.

I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
I need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
direct connection.

Thanks!

--barrym

From chrise at pobox.com  Wed Aug  4 17:28:53 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:28:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100804212853.GH26313@n0jcf.net>

Hi Barry,

I too have a ASR-33 with AJ modem installed.  I believe you can
disconnect the modem from the tty loop by disconnecting the one cable
which terminates in a MOLEX connector at the back of the tty where there
are a number of other MOLEX connectors.  I apologize that I don't have
the J# for you but I am at work and the tty and all the docs are at home.

But as far as I know, there is only a single connector that carries the
TX and RX loops between the tty and the modem.

I have my modem disconnected and instead have an RS232 to 20mA converter
plugged into the tty's MOLEX connector where the modem used to be and it
works great.

Chris N0JCF

On Wednesday (08/04/2010 at 03:11PM -0600), B M wrote:
> On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
> installed.  Does anyone have information on this modem?  I have
> googled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
> but no further information.
> 
> I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
> I need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
> direct connection.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --barrym
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From legalize at xmission.com  Wed Aug  4 17:30:29 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:30:29 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:11:12 -0600.
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In article <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb at mail.gmail.com>,
    B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com>  writes:

> I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
> I need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
> direct connection.

I don't know the particulars of this specific modem, but there are
only going to be three kinds of external connections to the modem:
power, telephone and data.  Identifying the power and telephone
connections are easy (power is obvious and telephone connections come
from the acoustic coupler cups where you'd place the phone handset).
The remaining connections are going to be the data connections.

You can assume baud rates <= 300 baud, so once you make a direct
connection I'd try baud rates like 50, 75, 110, 150, and 300.
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From nico at farumdata.dk  Thu Aug  5 02:50:19 2010
From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:50:19 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D734DF61C64247809D7641CDEF796B4F@udvikling>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B M" <iamvirtual at gmail.com>
> On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
> installed.  Does anyone have information on this modem?  I have
> googled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
> but no further information.
>
> I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
> I need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
> direct connection.
>
When you look at the back of the ASR33, you will see 8 white connectors. 
Below these connectors you find a terminal block with 9 screws. The two 
leftmost are for the AC. Number 3 is Send+, number 4 Send-, number 6 RCV- 
and number 7 RCV+
Connect 4 to 6.
2 and 7 are brought out on a jackstik. This is to be connected to a current 
source of 20 mA, e.g. 160VDC and a resistor of 8K (10W).

Your now have a serial connection, 110 bps, 8 bits, 1 stop bit.

I know nothing about PDP, so what's written below is for a PC:

http://www.baudot.net/tty-connect/hardware.htm

This box comes between a PC COM port and the jackstick.

Nico



From chrise at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 07:16:17 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 06:16:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <D734DF61C64247809D7641CDEF796B4F@udvikling>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
	<D734DF61C64247809D7641CDEF796B4F@udvikling>
Message-ID: <20100805111617.GC1486@n0jcf.net>

Hey Nico...

Yes... you can also connect to the terminal block but when you do, you
will still need to unplug the modem from the molex connector since it
would be in parallel with the connections on the terminal block if it
is plugged in.

Many computer connections to an ASR-33 run the loop with 24VDC...  which
is derived from +/- 12V supplies also used to power the RS232 transmitter.

There is typically an opto-isolated interface from TTL to the loop and
the computer supplies the current on both the keyboard and the print
loops, which are kept seperate to provide a (full) duplex connection to
the computer.  I have examples from Altair, SWTPC, Heath H8, KIM-1, etc.
All machines c. 1974 to 1980 or so.

Chris

On Thursday (08/05/2010 at 08:50AM +0200), Nico de Jong wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "B M" <iamvirtual at gmail.com>
> > On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
> > installed.  Does anyone have information on this modem?  I have
> > googled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
> > but no further information.
> >
> > I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
> > I need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
> > direct connection.
> >
> When you look at the back of the ASR33, you will see 8 white connectors. 
> Below these connectors you find a terminal block with 9 screws. The two 
> leftmost are for the AC. Number 3 is Send+, number 4 Send-, number 6 RCV- 
> and number 7 RCV+
> Connect 4 to 6.
> 2 and 7 are brought out on a jackstik. This is to be connected to a current 
> source of 20 mA, e.g. 160VDC and a resistor of 8K (10W).
> 
> Your now have a serial connection, 110 bps, 8 bits, 1 stop bit.
> 
> I know nothing about PDP, so what's written below is for a PC:
> 
> http://www.baudot.net/tty-connect/hardware.htm
> 
> This box comes between a PC COM port and the jackstick.
> 
> Nico
> 
> 
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From larryradio at att.net  Thu Aug  5 09:29:53 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio at att.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:29:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
Message-ID: <EA3AF58A1E5D4B3B81BBC78D0AA25446@dell3000>

OK, boys....after you view this AN/GRC-46 training film, there will be a short technical exam.....no cheating.  The marching band music will be good for marching around the breakfast table (under 50's won't understand the breakfast table comment :>)

http://www.spokenword.org/program/1174008

lar

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 09:59:20 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:59:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
Message-ID: <380-22010845135920704@earthlink.net>

Lar,

Where have you been??  I just posted this link 2-3 days ago.  (Thus all the
recent discussion on the GRC-46)

  --Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: <larryradio at att.net>
> To: <greenkeys at qth.net>
> Date: 05-Aug-10 09:30:05
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
>
> OK, boys....after you view this AN/GRC-46 training film, there will be a
short technical exam.....no cheating.  The marching band music will be good
for marching around the breakfast table (under 50's won't understand the
breakfast table comment :>)
>
> http://www.spokenword.org/program/1174008
>
> lar
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 10:05:02 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:05:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
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References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
	<D734DF61C64247809D7641CDEF796B4F@udvikling>
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Nico de Jong wrote:

> 2 and 7 are brought out on a jackstik. This is to be connected to a current
> source of 20 mA, e.g. 160VDC and a resistor of 8K (10W).
>
However note that in the 33/35 line there is no inductance directly in
the signal line, so whatever low voltage will give you 20 mA is OK.  You
don't need the high voltage and series resistor like you do when you are
driving a selector magnet directly.


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  5 10:07:54 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:07:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
In-Reply-To: <EA3AF58A1E5D4B3B81BBC78D0AA25446@dell3000>
References: <EA3AF58A1E5D4B3B81BBC78D0AA25446@dell3000>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008050906540.2087@localhost>

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, larryradio at att.net wrote:

> OK, boys....after you view this AN/GRC-46 training film, there will be a 
> short technical exam.....no cheating.  The marching band music will be 
> good for marching around the breakfast table (under 50's won't 
> understand the breakfast table comment :>)
>
I'm considerably over 50 and I didn't understand it either - but then I
am "culturally deprived"  We didn't have TV when I was a youngster, and
I don't watch it now that we have it.



From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug  5 10:43:22 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:43:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008050904010.2087@localhost>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>	<D734DF61C64247809D7641CDEF796B4F@udvikling>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1008050904010.2087@localhost>
Message-ID: <4C5ACE0A.3000301@bellsouth.net>


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug  5 10:58:24 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:58:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008050904010.2087@localhost>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>	<D734DF61C64247809D7641CDEF796B4F@udvikling>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1008050904010.2087@localhost>
Message-ID: <4C5AD190.9030106@bellsouth.net>

Jim Haynes wrote:
> However note that in the 33/35 line there is no inductance directly in
> the signal line, so whatever low voltage will give you 20 mA is OK.  You
> don't need the high voltage and series resistor like you do when you are
> driving a selector magnet directly.
>   
And even when you are directly driving a selector magnet directly - 
depending on the model, speed and how well a specific machine is set up 
- you still may not need all that much voltage - I run my 28 on 24Volts- 
which works fine at 60&67WPM - misses a character now and then at 100WPM...

As always YMMV...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From larryradio at att.net  Thu Aug  5 12:11:22 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:11:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
References: <380-22010845135920704@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E3FB41E3BB5643B39356B09A94DAE456@ljt>

Ohhh Lordie....I've been on vacation at the beach.  No bluberry, blackberry 
or raspberry....not even a computer....it was great  LOL

lar

Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Training film


> Lar,
>
> Where have you been??  I just posted this link 2-3 days ago.  (Thus all 
> the
> recent discussion on the GRC-46)
>
>  --Duncan


From teletypeparts at aol.com  Thu Aug  5 13:03:56 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:03:56 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD02D7533421F3-17C-13B3@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>


Barry,

P2 Molex is paralleled to the terminal strip for the TTY input/output connections.  When I get to my other computer I will send you 2 pictures that you can print and tape together which show the 33 data connections and strapping for 20/60 MA and full or half duplex.

Wayne






-----Original Message-----
From: B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 5:11 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem


On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
nstalled.  Does anyone have information on this modem?  I have
oogled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
ut no further information.
I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
 need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
irect connection.
Thanks!
--barrym
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From Til128 at aol.com  Thu Aug  5 13:40:22 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:40:22 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
Message-ID: <28573.f0f2eaf.398c5186@aol.com>

I remember Don McNeill's Breakfast Club.
What  do I win??

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
HeavyMetal
LL TTY  


From legalize at xmission.com  Thu Aug  5 14:11:43 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:11:43 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] NOS ASR33 ebay # 190427439755 -- $1,000
Message-ID: <E1Oh4ut-0005TN-3e@shell.xmission.com>

FYI.

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From pete at petelancashire.com  Thu Aug  5 14:31:34 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:31:34 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] NOS ASR33 ebay # 190427439755 -- $1,000
In-Reply-To: <E1Oh4ut-0005TN-3e@shell.xmission.com>
References: <E1Oh4ut-0005TN-3e@shell.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rXZhzzvDYaqmNkxWfb8tZj5aPxt=hdG+Ng_sF@mail.gmail.com>

I hope there is someone in FL that gets what looks like a very clean 15

200504156714

take a look at the inside picts

btw the metal tag to the left is a property of AP tag.

-pete Just too far from FL ...



On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
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From iamvirtual at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 18:49:18 2010
From: iamvirtual at gmail.com (B M)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:49:18 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdwzvoyFhAU=tnS7SGz6y6q-g=a1ZvGsF-m=90@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to Chris, Nico, Jim, Richard, Randy, and Wayne  (I
appologize if I missed anyone!) for the information.  This list has
been fantastic in supplying information.

Remaining problems:

1. It appears my mode switch is operating backwards.  With the modem
disconnected and nothing is connected to the send/receive lines, the
TTY runs open when in 'Local' mode, but is locally operable in 'Line'
mode.  I will investigate the wiring on the actual switch.  I suspect
it is backwards from the label on the cover.

2. The Paper tape reader does not seem to work.  The fuse on the
183087 board keeps blowing.  I only had 1/4 watt fuses, but the board
does require 1/2 watt fuses.  I will get the proper wattage next time
I am in the city.  I checked all of the resistors and they appear to
be within tolerance.  Is there any way of checking the capacitors
using a multimeter?  I do not have a capacitance checker. The tape
reader is the manual version.  When I flip the switch to read, the TTY
appears to run open (lots of noise, nothing printed) and the tape does
not advance.  The tape out switch appears to be working.  Any ideas?

Question:

1. The TTY I have has a fake wood tabletop which sits on a salmon
colored base.  The tabletop appears to be professionally built since
all of the router work is very clean and exactly matches the
dimensions of the TTY.  Is this an option from Teletype, or is this
base from another company?

Here is a summary of what I have found to date.

The internal modem is connected to the TTY via the Molex connector P2.
 Disconnecting P2 disconnects the modem.  I have only been able to
locate the patent for the modem, but no documentation on it.  If
anyone has documentation, I would sure appreciate it.  There are
several ICs on the modem and they appear to be made by ITT with a date
code of 6903.  There are several other components that look like
transistors, but they are not in the usual metal can nor plastic
variety.

Does anyone know where the molex plugs can be ordered that fit into
the connectors on the TTY?  I would like to make a permanent cable
that can be plugged in.

 P2:       (Note pin orientation between the plug and socket!  The
orientation is a mirror image of each other.  Pin 1 is the lower right
when looking at the P2 socket)
    pin 5 -Send
    pin 6 +Send
    pin 7 -Receive
    pin 8 +Receive

Terminal Strip:
   3 -Send
   4 +Send
   6 -Receive
   7 +Receive

Be very careful with pin 1 and 2 of the terminal strip!  I
accidentally found out that these pins have live AC on them!!  (I have
to get a new screwdriver and I did find that the circuit breaker is
operative).  Note to self: always unplug device from power when
messing with the innards :-)

The modem will find the carrier in both Local and Line modes (I used
Audacity, an open source software program to generate the answer
carrier frequency of 2125 Hz).  The carrier light should light up when
the answer carrier frequency is detected.  Note that the microphone on
the acoustic coupler is very sensitive.  I generated the carrier on my
laptop which was sitting about 3 feet away from the TTY and the TTY
detected it!  When in 'Line' mode, random characters will be printed
when the carrier is detected.  This is presumably due to the ambient
noise when the handset is not in the cups.

For those who are interested, I acquired the TTY for use with my 2
PDP-11 computers.  The newer of the systems is a PDP-11/10, circa
1972.  The older machine is a PDP-11/20 which was the first PDP-11
produced.  My PDP-11/20 (September 1970) is old enough that it does
not have the model number on the blinkenlight console.  Both machines
use core memory (each has 32 kWords of core) and RK05 disk drives.  I
have the PDP-11/10 in a runnable state and can boot RT-11 v2 with
MUBASIC from the RK05 disk.  Eventually, I will be getting the
PDP-11/20 running, but I need to check out the power supplies and
clean it up before I attempt to power it up.

--barrym

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:11 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
> On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
> installed. ?Does anyone have information on this modem? ?I have
> googled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
> but no further information.
>
> I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
> I need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
> direct connection.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --barrym
>

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:13:45 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:13:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual) needed
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>

I started working on the LAXD1 climbing-head TD in my 28RT tonight -
the pins weren't centered in the tape holes so I adjusted the
eccentric that appears to adjust the sprocket drive in relation to the
pins. Uh-oh - as I was re-tightening the lock nut (gently, honest!),
the eccentric shaft broke. "Old & fragile" meets "old & clumsy", I
guess. Anyway, I do not have an LAXD parts diagram or adjustments
manual to get the part number of this eccentric. Can anyone help with
a parts diagram? anyone got an LAXD parts unit?

I have beaucoup manuals for the LXD and LBXD fixed head TD's but
nothing showing the climbing-head model.

A top-down view of the climbing head
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-104.jpg
The lock nut in question is in the upper right of this photo
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-110.jpg

many thanks,
Nick K4NYW

From packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:58:03 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:58:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 Teletype
In-Reply-To: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>
References: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>
Message-ID: <C2E26861-0DBF-451E-958C-8D437946D884@gmail.com>


On 1 Aug 2010, at 7:58 PM, Larry Sprinkle wrote:

I have a Model 19 Teletype machine and I would like to find it a new  
home.  I purchased this machine directly from a state run federal  
surplus agency in the late 1960s and used it as part of an RTTY  
receiving station.  I've had it in storage many years and need the  
space.  The machine is in very good contrition. Two ss rectifiers.  
Attached are photos. Machine is in western North Carolina.

Thanks

VERY NICE!  Looks like a NAVY machine as the character counter is on  
the left of the keyboard to save space.  I would love it but I do not  
have the gas money or permission from my XYL to rescue another  
Teletype machine.

Gosh darn it all anyway..  ;-(

Don K9TTY

From radioham at mchsi.com  Thu Aug  5 20:11:51 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:11:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual)
 needed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081ec881033bda77@[10.0.1.198]>

I have been sorting through my manuals to get rid of those for things 
I no longer had.  I may have seen some stuff for the climbing head 
TD.  Next time I am at my workshop I will see what is there. 
Probably tomorrow or Saturday.

David K0LUM


At 7:13 PM -0400 8/5/10, Nick England wrote:
>I started working on the LAXD1 climbing-head TD in my 28RT tonight -
>the pins weren't centered in the tape holes so I adjusted the
>eccentric that appears to adjust the sprocket drive in relation to the
>pins. Uh-oh - as I was re-tightening the lock nut (gently, honest!),
>the eccentric shaft broke. "Old & fragile" meets "old & clumsy", I
>guess. Anyway, I do not have an LAXD parts diagram or adjustments
>manual to get the part number of this eccentric. Can anyone help with
>a parts diagram? anyone got an LAXD parts unit?
>
>I have beaucoup manuals for the LXD and LBXD fixed head TD's but
>nothing showing the climbing-head model.
>
>A top-down view of the climbing head
>http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-104.jpg
>The lock nut in question is in the upper right of this photo
>http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-110.jpg
>
>many thanks,
>Nick K4NYW
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From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug  5 20:22:25 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:22:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 Teletype
In-Reply-To: <C2E26861-0DBF-451E-958C-8D437946D884@gmail.com>
References: <448665018C144970B4A3E5B87313E38C@OFFICE>
	<C2E26861-0DBF-451E-958C-8D437946D884@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5B55C1.5030504@roadrunner.com>

  The Model 19 in my father's Pennsylvania Railroad yard office in the 
early 60's, the first TTY I ever saw,  had its character counter on the 
left like this one.



On 8/5/2010 19:58, Don Robert House wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2010, at 7:58 PM, Larry Sprinkle wrote:
>
> I have a Model 19 Teletype machine and I would like to find it a new
> home.  I purchased this machine directly from a state run federal
> surplus agency in the late 1960s and used it as part of an RTTY
> receiving station.  I've had it in storage many years and need the
> space.  The machine is in very good contrition. Two ss rectifiers.
> Attached are photos. Machine is in western North Carolina.
>
> Thanks
>
> VERY NICE!  Looks like a NAVY machine as the character counter is on
> the left of the keyboard to save space.  I would love it but I do not
> have the gas money or permission from my XYL to rescue another
> Teletype machine.
>
> Gosh darn it all anyway..  ;-(
>
> Don K9TTY
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From chrise at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 21:15:15 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:15:15 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdwzvoyFhAU=tnS7SGz6y6q-g=a1ZvGsF-m=90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdwzvoyFhAU=tnS7SGz6y6q-g=a1ZvGsF-m=90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100806011515.GD12040@n0jcf.net>

On Thursday (08/05/2010 at 04:49PM -0600), B M wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know where the molex plugs can be ordered that fit into
> the connectors on the TTY?  I would like to make a permanent cable
> that can be plugged in.

I am pretty sure this is the plug shell, on .198" grid,

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1442556&k=wm1339

and then you need these .093" pins,

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=WM1102-ND

which are for 18-22ga wire.  There are other pins if your wire gauge
is different.  See page 224 of the latest Digikey catalog for further
details.  These are the Molex 1375 series.

I have not ordered these yet myself but just finished "deducing" the
connector parameters with a caliper, collecting measurements from my
actual ASR33 and the mating connector on it.

Chris

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 22:11:13 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:11:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reperf punch update
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=mByOQ+r86Wewe4K+Q1ew=K5jpNSyn4eATY8Lz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=1o7t-UG8Fnhdh-d4--VEEeQ77TTGHq_j1WD3z@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=mByOQ+r86Wewe4K+Q1ew=K5jpNSyn4eATY8Lz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E3BD9F4-16CD-42AD-931C-5BB52AB0860B@gmail.com>

Thanks for keeping us updated Nick...
You are a good investment that I made by sending you that RT.
Most of the equipment I labored over from 1984-2002,
and spent over $14,000 on, is collecting dust behind a
locked door in San Diego...

As we say in the Navy... Bravo Zulu Nick !

Old Don
K9TTY


On 4 Aug 2010, at 10:32 AM, Nick England wrote:

TA-DA ! All holes punched and accounted for, sir.
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-84.JPG
Many thanks to folks here for help and encouragement.

I'm mainly writing this stuff up for my own notes, but also in case
someone goes searching the archives looking for info on a similar
problem. So yes, the punch slides can wear and this leads to improper
punching. There is felt wick attached to the slide post (the part that
engages the slides to lift them and their associated punch pins), but
it is deep inside and may not get oiled as it should.

In reassembly, my chief issue was getting the perforater drive arm
rocker correctly re-connected to the toggle shaft that wiggles the
toggle bail and toggle link. I didn't find this info in the
adjustments section of the manual I have (perhaps I just missed it),
but it is critical in order for the punch slides to engage the slide
post properly when unlatched and to get re-latched by the reset bail.
Illustration at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/perf-71.JPG

OK, I'll be quiet for a while - next up is getting the TD running on  
this 28RT.
cheers,
Nick
www.navy-radio.com

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>  
wrote:
> FWIW, an update on my 28RT reperf project where some holes punched OK
> and others barely poked the tape.
> Evidence at http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/IMG_2052.JPG
>
>   Well, I finally decided that the punch slides or the slide post
> that moves them really must be worn - the slides for the non-working
> holes clearly had some free play and weren't lifting the pins as far.
>   So last night I gritted my teeth, cleared off my bench, and removed
> the punch sub-assembly (punch block, punch slides, toggle bail, etc. -
> see http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/perf-71.JPG )
> from the rest of the reperf (selector, transfer latches, frame,
> printer, etc.). This reperf does not have the power backspace so that
> made it easier. Then I sneaked out the two bad punch slides and
> sneaked in some from a busted reperf that I disassembled. I am
> *Extremely Glad* I was able to sneak these slides out/in, as I very
> much doubt I would have ever been able to completely disassemble this
> thing and re-assemble it to working condition - Geez, there are a lot
> of interconnected little parts in these gadgets!!!
>   Then I re-gritted my teeth and attached the punch sub-assembly back
> to the rest of the mechanism, spending a good while fiddling the punch
> slides to mesh with the transfer levers and punch slide latches OK.
> Now all 5 punch pins get pushed up OK, but the selected punch slides
> don't get reset by the punch slide reset bail properly at the end of
> the cycle so I still haven't got something lined up right. I'm hoping
> another session tonight will fix that. Wish me luck.
>   If you have read this far, you must be interested or amused by my
> fumbling novice efforts. Thanks for the help and encouragement - this
> is a great group of folks.
> cheers,
> Nick K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From larryradio at att.net  Fri Aug  6 09:53:19 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:53:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Training film
References: <28573.f0f2eaf.398c5186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <44CF9CEEAA2E432FBC50E86E03B5D92C@ljt>

That's it!

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Til128 at aol.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Training film


>I remember Don McNeill's Breakfast Club.
> What  do I win??
> 
> 73,
> Tom Tillson
> All things  electromechanical
> Greenkeys
> ITTY/East
> HeavyMetal
> LL TTY  
> 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 11:31:30 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:31:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE CORP. copyrights Jan-June 1961
Message-ID: <AANLkTikR4XcLyaqj=82B1JHEp0ZgFbe9cr-oJw8vJRy2@mail.gmail.com>

In case folks find this useful, please let me know and I'll keep
digging up more of these - copyright filings by Teletype Corp. -
perhaps they list Bulletin or Specification numbers of interest.
Eugene Herz has many Bulletin pdf's on line and his index is posted at
http://hertzmail.com/TTY/TeletypeManuals/INDEX.TXT

TELETYPE CORP. copyrights Jan-June 1961

Adjustments and lubrication, model 28 tape handling stand reperforator
transmitter base LTHS, LRXB. (Bulletin 248B) Appl. author: Frank
Joseph D'Ascenzo. NM: additional text & illus. ? Teletype Corp.;
24jan6l; A490751.

Automatic data interchange system for the Federal Aviation Agency.
Appl. author: Peter W. Kolettls. ? Teletype Corp.; 17May6l; A507179.

Description, installation and adjustments for model 28 multiple page
printer set cabinet LBAC227. (Specification 50027S, issue l) Appl.
author: Thomas E. Hinkes. ?Teletype Corp.; 7Apr6l; A499406.

Description, theory of operation, adjustments, and lubrication for the
173520-7373S numbering module used with the Royal Australian Air Force
ASR set. (Specification 500J2S, issue 1, Mar. 1961) Appl. author:
Robert G. Knapp. ?Teletype Corp.; 8May6l; A504553.

Electrical service unit LESU56 used in the automatic line switching
system. (Specification 50022S,issue l) Appl. author: Thomas E. Hinkes.
? Teletype Corpl; 20Mar6l; A495961.

Electrical service unit LESU57 used in the automatic line switching
system. (Specification 50021S, issue l) Appl. author: Thomas E.
Hinkes. ? Teletype Corp.; 27Mar6l; A497714.

Electrical service units LESU58 and LESU59 used in the automatic line
switching systems. (Specification 50026S, issue l) Appl. author:
Thomas E. Hinkes. ? Teletype Corp.; 20Mar6l; A495962.

FAA automatic data interchange system (ADIS); technical manual. Vol.1:
Description and principles of operation. (Bulletin 268b, v.l) Appl.
author: Thomas E. Hinkes. ? Teletype Corp.; l4Mar6l; A504163.

General description, adjustments, and lubrication for model 28
miniaturized multi-magnet reperforator LARP. (Specification 50014S,
issue l) Appl. author: Raymond B. Doherty. ?Teletype Corp.; 9Jan6l;
A48l86l.

General description, principles of operation, adjustments, and
lubrication for model 28 send-receive tape printer set, LTP, LTPK,
LSRC. (Specification 50028S, issue l) Appl. author: Daniel Fanella. ?
Teletype Corp.; 27Mar6l; A497716.

General description, theory, adjustments, and lubrication for model 28
miniaturized multi-magnet reperforator LARP. (Specification 50014S,
issue 2, Mar. 196l) Appl. author: Raymond B. Doherty. ? Teletype
Corp.; 6Apr6l; A500206.

General instructions for installing Teletype model 28 monitoring or
receiving set components consisting of typing or nontyping
reperforators (LPR or LRPE respectively), motor units (LMU), multiple
mounted reperforator bases (LMRB), threereel rim driven tape winders
(TW) and universal cabinet (LBAC) (Specification 50010S, issue 1, Dec.
I960) Appl. author: Jerry T. Svec. ? Teletype Corp.; 28Dec60; A480794.

General instructions for installing Teletype model 28 transmitting set
components. (Specification 5OOI6S, issue 1, Jan. 1961) Appl. author:
Jerry T. Svec. ? Teletype Corp.; 23Feb6l; A493730.

General instructions for installing the self-contained model 28 LBXB3
transmitter distributor base to mount transmitter distributor and
motor and the LBXC201. (Specification 50011S, issue 1, Apr. 1961)
Appl. author: Walter A. Lotz. ?Teletype Corp.; 8May6l; A504554.

Installation and check-out procedure for FAA ADIS interchange centers.
(Specification 5988S, issue l) Appl. author: George C. Fritz.
?Teletype Corp.; 20Dec60; A479800.

Installation and check-out procedure for FAA ADIS send-receive
centers. (Specification 5989S, issue l) Appl. author: Thomas E.
Hinkes. ?Teletype Corp.; 23Feb6l; A493271.

Instructions for installing multiple wire distributor unit LDo in
model 28 automatic send-receive set equipped with LXD transmitter
distributor unit; LD9 in model 28 cage printer set equipped with
keyboard LK3 (and up) or base LB3 or LB4; LD10 in model 28 sequential
selector set; 173358 modification kit to add terminal board assembly
to model 28 apparatus cabinet LAC203**, LAC204** or LAC205**
(Specification 50019S, issue l) Appl. author: Jerry Thomas Svec. NM:
additions. ?Teletype Corp.; 7Apr6l; A499407.

Instructions for installing 174475 modification kit to provide print
suppression for model 28 typing reperforator or typing perforator.
(Specification 50034S, issue 1, Mar. 1961) Appl. author: Jerry T.
Svec. ? Teletype Corp.; 4May6l; A504552.

Instructions for installing the 172945 modification kit on model 28
keyboards LK6 and up and LAK to provide an answer-back mechanism.
(Specification 5OOO6S, issue l) Appl. author: Walter A. Lotz.
?Teletype Corp.; 9Jan6l; A481853.

Model 28 card reader (Codomat) (LR) (specification 50023S, issue l)
Appl. author: George C. Fritz. ?Teletype Corp.; 7Apr6l; A499310.

Model 28 multi-magnet reperforator, LARP; parts. (Bulletin 1166B,
change 3) Appl. author: Carl M. Dalka. NM: new matter. ? Teletype
Corp.; l4Apr6l; A500204.

Model 28 reperforator transmitter set, RT; parts. (Bulletin 1168B)
Appl. author: Carl M. Dalka. ? Teletype Corp.; 29Mar6l; A498343.

Model 28 reperforator transmitter sets and tape relay equipment groups
transmitting, monitoring, receiving; technical manual. (Bulletin 271B,
v.2) Appl. author: Philip Soosloff, Jr. ? Teletype Corp.; 10May6l;
A506493.

The new hi-speed communication set. Appl. author: Peter W. Kolettis. ?
Teletype Corp.; 26May6l; A507178. New tape punch set. Appl. author:
Elmer K. Johnson. ? Teletype Corp.; HApr6l; A504741.

New teletype tape reader, CX110. Appl. author: Robert W. Tuma. ?
Teletype Corp.; 25Jan6l; A484450.

Parts. Cabinets (AC) automatic data interchange system (AD15)
(Bulletin 1179B) Appl. author: Philip Soosloff, Jr. ? Teletype Corp.;
9Jan6l; A482574.

Parts, model 28 page printer set (KSR & RO). Change 9. (Bulletin
1149B) NM: new matter. ? Teletype Corp.; 26Apr6l; A501207.

Parts, model 28 transmitter distributor set; LBXD, fixed head,
multi-contact type. (Bulletin 1165B, change no.3) Appl. author: Hubert
David. ? Teletype Corp.; 29Mar6l; A497100.

Schematic wiring diagram and tabulation of send-receive center control
AC287, FAA ADIS. (Specification 50.012, issue l) Appl. author: Thomas
E. Hinkes. ?Teletype Corp.; 10Feb6l: A489509.

Single-contact tape reader, type LXD transmitter-distributor. (General
description 28LXD, issue 2) Appl. author: Donald J. Zizament. NM:
additions & revisions. ? Teletype Corp.; 22Mar6l; A499784.

Tape reader set, CX; technical manual. (Bulletin 267B) Appl. author:
John R. Trzeclak. ? Teletype Corp.; 5Dec60; 4479958.

Technical manual FAA automatic data Interchange system (ADIS) Vol.2:
Operation and maintenance. (Bulletin 268B) Appl. author: George C.
Fritz. ? Teletype Corp.; 21Feb6l; A493818.

Technical manual for telegraph terminal group AN/UGA-1. (Bulletin
266B) Appl. author: L. 0. Boyll. ? Teletype Corp.; 24Feb6l; A494074.

Technical manual for Telegraph terminal set AN/UGC-3; transistor
multlplex-16 channel, TM201 and TM202. (Bulletin 265B) Appl. author:
Leonard Oliver Boyll. ? Teletype Corp.; 6Feb6l; A488282.

Technical manual, model 28 page printer sets and automatic send-
receive set; crlticomm parts. (Bulletin 270B, v.2) Appl. author:
Philip Soosloff, Jr. ? Teletype Corp.; 15May6l; A508558.

Technical manual, model 28 reperforator transmitter sets and tape
relay equipment groups, transmitting, monitoring, receiving. (Bulletin
271B, v.l) Appl. author: John R. Trzeclak. ? Teletype Corp.; 10May6l;
A504594.

Teletype data-communication set. Appl. author: Robert W. Tuma.
?Teletype Corp.; 3Apr6l; A504740.

Twenty-four hour timer, LCL. (Specification 50025S, issue l) Appl.
author: George C. Fritz. ? Teletype Corp.; 27Mar6l; A497715.

From dmm at lemur.com  Fri Aug  6 12:20:05 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:20:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE CORP. copyrights Jan-June 1961
Message-ID: <201008061612.CZF50910@rg6.cniteam.com>


Nick England writes:
>In case folks find this useful, please let me know and I'll keep
>digging up more of these -

Yes, bibliography is always interesting (well, to me at least, but
I'm a bibliography junkie :-)

You probably know about it, but Google has scanned and made searchable
many of the US Copyright Office records prior to 1978 (the date at which
the records searchable online at the Copyright Office start).
Google's archive is at:

http://books.google.com/googlebooks/copyrightsearch.html

Google's OCR is imperfect, but still this can be very helpful.

Regards,
David M.

===
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From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 15:57:35 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:57:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] What did the soviets use in the 40s to 60s for TTY's ?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinSf_XgdNr34T31AVvEXjB_xNmZ9aa8cw9PRpUq@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious and can't seem to find anything on the web

-pete

From _dave.f at mail.com  Fri Aug  6 16:29:21 2010
From: _dave.f at mail.com (David Freeman)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:29:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual)
	needed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD03BD2FE322E1-D6C-1E89A@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>

 Nick,

I don't have the manual, but I may have a part for you. Can you send me a picture with an arrow pointing to the part you need? If you find a manual I'd be interested in a copy of it. I got 8 of these RT units from the John Sheetz K2AGI estate. I gave 5 of them to Jack Hart. I know he fixed several up and spread them around to a few fellow greenkeyers. I don't know how many parts carcases he had left when he was done, and what might have happened to them. I can PM Jack and see what he has before I take a part off one of mine. I think Jack may have some 20" reels of 11/16" paper tape that fit on these as well. I know he gave me a couple of them.

I'd really like to find a cabinet that fits 2 of these RT units. You don't know where one of those are do you?

Dave, WW8S

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Nick England &lt;navy.radio at gmail.com&gt;
To: Greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 7:13 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual) needed

 
 
 
I started working on the LAXD1 climbing-head TD in my 28RT tonight - 
the pins weren't centered in the tape holes so I adjusted the 
eccentric that appears to adjust the sprocket drive in relation to the 
pins. Uh-oh - as I was re-tightening the lock nut (gently, honest!), 
the eccentric shaft broke. "Old & fragile" meets "old & clumsy", I 
guess. Anyway, I do not have an LAXD parts diagram or adjustments 
manual to get the part number of this eccentric. Can anyone help with 
a parts diagram? anyone got an LAXD parts unit? 
 
I have beaucoup manuals for the LXD and LBXD fixed head TD's but 
nothing showing the climbing-head model. 
 
A top-down view of the climbing head 
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-104.jpg 
The lock nut in question is in the upper right of this photo 
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-110.jpg 
 
many thanks, 
Nick K4NYW 
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From ross at hypertools.com  Fri Aug  6 16:23:29 2010
From: ross at hypertools.com (David Ross)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:23:29 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] What did the soviets use in the 40s to 60s for
 TTY's ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinSf_XgdNr34T31AVvEXjB_xNmZ9aa8cw9PRpUq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinSf_XgdNr34T31AVvEXjB_xNmZ9aa8cw9PRpUq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5C6F41.6040808@hypertools.com>

Pete & the gang -

   The Russians used 'third-shift' machines, to accommodate Cyrillic 
characters.  The T63SU13 was one of the Russian's later machines -  
google comes up with a few hits for it and you'll see a photo here:
<http://members.a1.net/oaw1/wago12.htm>
   There is an explanation of the Cyrillic shift scheme, but it is in 
German.  Google will translate it for you like this:
<http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://members.a1.net/oaw1/wago12.htm&ei=hW5cTLaVOIj2tgPGpenDDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DDie%2BMaschine%2Bdiente%2Bzur%2BNachrichten%25C3%25BCbertragung%2Bwahlweise%2Bmit%2Blateinischen%2Boder%2Bkyrillischen%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG>

   Teletypes showed up in Russian radio vans and you'll see a few photos 
of the radio vans at:
<http://www.armyradio.com/arsc/customer/pages.php?pageurl=/publish/Articles/William_Howard_Russian/73-Present_Base_Fixed_Station_Radios.htm>

   George Hutchison told me that many Model 37 teletypes were bought by 
Russia -  the Model 37 is an ASCII machine that will print lower-case, 
and the Russians fitted them with Cyrillic type blocks.

Dave Ross    N7EPI



On 8/6/2010 12:57 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
> Just curious and can't seem to find anything on the web
>
> -pete
.
.
.
.
.
.
.


From legalize at xmission.com  Fri Aug  6 19:10:42 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:10:42 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] What did the soviets use in the 40s to 60s for
	TTY's ?
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:23:29 -0700.
	<4C5C6F41.6040808@hypertools.com> 
Message-ID: <E1OhW3m-0007NB-EL@shell.xmission.com>


In article <4C5C6F41.6040808 at hypertools.com>,
    David Ross <ross at hypertools.com>  writes:

>    George Hutchison told me that many Model 37 teletypes were bought by 
> Russia -  the Model 37 is an ASCII machine that will print lower-case, 
> and the Russians fitted them with Cyrillic type blocks.

Nice pics of model 37 here:
<http://www.piercefuller.com/library/10099.html>
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Fri Aug  6 20:05:03 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:05:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual)
 needed
In-Reply-To: <8CD03BD2FE322E1-D6C-1E89A@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD03BD2FE322E1-D6C-1E89A@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240824c8824eac8fc4@[10.0.1.198]>

Nick,

I have the following manuals for you already:

248B M28 Tape handling stand (LTHS) and Reperf Transmitter base (LRXB)
251B M28 Theort oof Operation Transmitter Distributer LAXD
252B 28 Transmiter Distributers (LAXD, LCXD) Technical Manual
1168B  M28 and 35 Reperferator Transmitter sets (RT) Parts

The first and last cover the stand and cabinet.  I have not yet found 
1170B.  I may not have it.  I will continue to look.  New things 
surface every day.  I did have two of these units once so there is 
still a tiny bit of hope for the manual.

Which reperf do you have? Typing (LPR) or non-typing (LRPE).  I may 
have extra manuals for those too.  I have 28 ASR and KSR manuals and 
some of that is in both.  I know those for LPR are.  If you already 
have 246B and 247B I would rather send them to someone who does not 
already have them.

I will need an address to send by either media mail or priority mail 
flat rate box.

David


At 4:29 PM -0400 8/6/10, David Freeman wrote:
>  Nick,
>
>I don't have the manual, but I may have a part for you. Can you send 
>me a picture with an arrow pointing to the part you need? If you 
>find a manual I'd be interested in a copy of it. I got 8 of these RT 
>units from the John Sheetz K2AGI estate. I gave 5 of them to Jack 
>Hart. I know he fixed several up and spread them around to a few 
>fellow greenkeyers. I don't know how many parts carcases he had left 
>when he was done, and what might have happened to them. I can PM 
>Jack and see what he has before I take a part off one of mine. I 
>think Jack may have some 20" reels of 11/16" paper tape that fit on 
>these as well. I know he gave me a couple of them.
>
>I'd really like to find a cabinet that fits 2 of these RT units. You 
>don't know where one of those are do you?
>
>Dave, WW8S
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick England &lt;navy.radio at gmail.com&gt;
>To: Greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
>Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 7:13 pm
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual) needed
>
>
>
>
>I started working on the LAXD1 climbing-head TD in my 28RT tonight -
>the pins weren't centered in the tape holes so I adjusted the
>eccentric that appears to adjust the sprocket drive in relation to the
>pins. Uh-oh - as I was re-tightening the lock nut (gently, honest!),
>the eccentric shaft broke. "Old & fragile" meets "old & clumsy", I
>guess. Anyway, I do not have an LAXD parts diagram or adjustments
>manual to get the part number of this eccentric. Can anyone help with
>a parts diagram? anyone got an LAXD parts unit?
>
>I have beaucoup manuals for the LXD and LBXD fixed head TD's but
>nothing showing the climbing-head model.
>
>A top-down view of the climbing head
>http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-104.jpg
>The lock nut in question is in the upper right of this photo
>http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-110.jpg
>
>many thanks,
>Nick K4NYW
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From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Sat Aug  7 04:39:08 2010
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:39:08 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] What did the soviets use in the 40s to 60s for
	TTY's ?
In-Reply-To: <E1OhW3m-0007NB-EL@shell.xmission.com>
References: <4C5C6F41.6040808@hypertools.com>
	<E1OhW3m-0007NB-EL@shell.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVaiTE0jhU+m+4B_rwVoaKmxRkRwmZ+-4AmEe4@mail.gmail.com>

The Russians used a Teletype model 14 licence tape printer. Like Lorenz in
Germany also the Russians
bought a licence to produce model 14  as tape printing machines on 3/8"
paper tape.
The Russians called this model ST2-M. It ran 45 bauds kyrillic alphabet.

Also East German RFT (Siemens T37 clones) T51 as a two shift machine with
only kyrillic letters
and T63-SU13 as a three shift machine with latin and kyrillic alphabet were
used.

If there might be any interest I can put some photos of them on the
internet.

Henning  DF3OE

www.teleprinter.net



2010/8/7 Richard <legalize at xmission.com>

>
> In article <4C5C6F41.6040808 at hypertools.com>,
>     David Ross <ross at hypertools.com>  writes:
>
> >    George Hutchison told me that many Model 37 teletypes were bought by
> > Russia -  the Model 37 is an ASCII machine that will print lower-case,
> > and the Russians fitted them with Cyrillic type blocks.
>
> Nice pics of model 37 here:
> <http://www.piercefuller.com/library/10099.html>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 08:18:46 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:18:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD - LAXD part number (and/or manual)
	needed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRfV05Gm-_ADQDPys=daWhxtvxxgKYyfZcq9me@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhWBgUCRQBYuuUYd=NRPiNNTAHCgwa3DSBqLWR@mail.gmail.com>

Wow - the help has been great. I have manuals and a replacement part
coming, along with encouragement and advice as well. Many thanks -
this list has a really great bunch of guys.
Someday I hope to have learned enough to start being a contributor
rather than always a beggar, but I truly appreciate all the help. I'll
scan and post whatever manuals I get.

I'm getting closer to having the RT fully functional and hooked up
with my other gear. Last night I ran tape out of the reperf and into
the TD and watched the loop grow and shrink and the TD's climbing head
do its thing as it went all the way over to snarfing up each character
as soon as it got punched. What an amazing piece of design and
manufacturing - Teletype engineers were real wizards!

cheers,
Nick K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Aug  7 17:09:45 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 16:09:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals Available
Message-ID: <p06240828c8836d1f1371@[10.0.1.198]>

I am cleaning house and have the following sets of Teletype Manuals 
(Bulletins) available.  I only ask that you at least pay the postage. 
It's up to you.

Let me know if you are interested.  Generally shipping is $11 or 
less.  I'll be glad to answer any questions.

Make my wife happy by finding homes for these.

David K0LUM



Some sets also contain correction sheets and wiring diagrams

---------------------

Set 1.

Bulletin 249B Description and Principles of Operation Perferator 
Transmitter  Model 28 Automatic Send-Receive (ASR) Teletypewriter 
sets LAK, LPE LTPE, LCXB, LRB, LAAC

Bulletin 250B Technical Manual 28 Perferator Transmitter (LAK, LPE, 
LTPE, LAAC)Set 2

Bulletin 1169B Parts Model 28 Automatic Send-Receive Set (ASR)

-----------------------

Set 2

Bulletin 172 Description Typing Reperferator (Model 14)

Bulletin 165 Adjustments Typing Reperferator (Model 14)

Bulletin 1088 Parts Typing Reperferator Model 14

Bulletin 1077 Parts ---Tables

----------------------

Set 3

Bulletin 181 Description and Adjustments  Signal Distortion Test Set 
(Code Disk Operated with Stroboscope)

Bulletin 1079 Parts Signal Distortion Test Set DXD1, 4, and 5  Motor 
Units MU26, 29 and Associated Sets of Gears

--------------------

Set 4

Bulletin 170 Adjustments Multiple Transmitter and Base (MXD 3 and MXB 
3) (MXD 4 and MXB 5)  Single Unit Transmitter and Base (MXD 6 and MXB 
6)

Bulletin 185 Description and Adjustments Multiple Transmitter 
Distributors and Base (MXD8, MXD9, and MXB8)

Bulletin 1102 Parts Multiple Distributor and Base (MXD-3 and MXB-3) 
(MXD-4 and MXB-5)  Single Unit Transmitter Distributor and Base 
(MXD-6 and MXB-6)

Bulletin 1122 Parts Multiple Transmitter Bases (3 Gang) and Multiple 
Transmitter Distributors

NoSetSte: Bulletin 1122 covers MXB 8, 9, 18, 19, 20 and MXD 8, 9, 10, 11, 16

-------------

Set 5

Bulletin 236B Adjustments, Lubrication Disassembly and Reassembly 
Model 28 Sequence Selector LS, LSB

------------------------

Set 6

Bulletin 1149B Parts Model 28 Page Printer Set (KSR & RO)

-----------------

Set 7

Bulletin 257B  Technical Manual Model 28 Tape Splicer  LTS

Note:  This is the unit that uses heat sensitive tape.

-------------

Set 8

Bulletin 259B  Description and Adjustments of 33RY and 34RY Polar Relays

Note:  This is the short square polar relay not the usual tall round grey one

--------------

Set 9

Teletype Equipment Price Catalog Volume I  October 1, 1969

Teletype Equipment Price Catalog Volume II October 1, 1969

Parts Price List  October 1, 1968

Note: This contains descriptions and component lists for the various 
teletype sets being sold as of that date.  This should really go to a 
museum or an archive.  Suggestions welcomed.

----------------

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 17:22:00 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:22:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28RT info now on line - and photos of my working
	unit too!
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=3R=x4MRu77db0W+y=v6qrqZmLTctTLqZVNiua@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to greenkeyers, I have posted the 28RT wiring diagram and LAXD
parts manual (and a link to the LAXD adjustments manual) at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt.htm

In other news, It Is Alive!
This AM I hooked up a message generator to the input of my 28RT and a
printer to the output and IT ALL WORKED!
Many thanks to greenkeyers - the reperf now receives signals and
punches tape OK, the climbing head TD climbs and reads the tape OK and
the distributor spits out signals.
input - http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-op-13.JPG
middle - http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-op-08.JPG
output - http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-op-12.JPG

What great fun - thanks for the support and encouragement, guys!!
Nick K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 19:25:49 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 16:25:49 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] What did the soviets use in the 40s to 60s for
	TTY's ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVaiTE0jhU+m+4B_rwVoaKmxRkRwmZ+-4AmEe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C5C6F41.6040808@hypertools.com>
	<E1OhW3m-0007NB-EL@shell.xmission.com>
	<AANLkTikVaiTE0jhU+m+4B_rwVoaKmxRkRwmZ+-4AmEe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikx8gQJVpg+o8gprRAdUdyJ-H+35fhtLJx7udek@mail.gmail.com>

Do you think they used Siemens T37's during WWII ?

There is so little I can find, and cant really say why such an interest

to me photo's would be great

BTW your web site is a great place for information

-pete



On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Henning Treumann
<df3oe.henning at googlemail.com> wrote:
> The Russians used a Teletype model 14 licence tape printer. Like Lorenz in
> Germany also the Russians
> bought a licence to produce model 14 ?as tape printing machines on 3/8"
> paper tape.
> The Russians called this model ST2-M. It ran 45 bauds kyrillic alphabet.
>
> Also East German RFT (Siemens T37 clones) T51 as a two shift machine with
> only kyrillic letters
> and T63-SU13 as a three shift machine with latin and kyrillic alphabet were
> used.
>
> If there might be any interest I can put some photos of them on the
> internet.
>
> Henning ?DF3OE
>
> www.teleprinter.net
>
>
>
> 2010/8/7 Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
>
>>
>> In article <4C5C6F41.6040808 at hypertools.com>,
>> ? ? David Ross <ross at hypertools.com> ?writes:
>>
>> > ? ?George Hutchison told me that many Model 37 teletypes were bought by
>> > Russia - ?the Model 37 is an ASCII machine that will print lower-case,
>> > and the Russians fitted them with Cyrillic type blocks.
>>
>> Nice pics of model 37 here:
>> <http://www.piercefuller.com/library/10099.html>
>> --
>> "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download
>> ?<http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/>
>>
>> ? ? ?Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  7 23:43:56 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28RT info now on line - and photos of my
	working unit too!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=3R=x4MRu77db0W+y=v6qrqZmLTctTLqZVNiua@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=3R=x4MRu77db0W+y=v6qrqZmLTctTLqZVNiua@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480046.58240.qm@web180001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Nick, reminds me of my 28ASR with the climbing-head... Jack, you remember it....
Well done.
Gerry 
AD6MC




________________________________
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 2:22:00 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28RT info now on line - and photos of my working unit 
too!

Thanks to greenkeyers, I have posted the 28RT wiring diagram and LAXD
parts manual (and a link to the LAXD adjustments manual) at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt.htm

In other news, It Is Alive!
This AM I hooked up a message generator to the input of my 28RT and a
printer to the output and IT ALL WORKED!
Many thanks to greenkeyers - the reperf now receives signals and
punches tape OK, the climbing head TD climbs and reads the tape OK and
the distributor spits out signals.
input - http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-op-13.JPG
middle - http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-op-08.JPG
output - http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28rt/28rt-op-12.JPG

What great fun - thanks for the support and encouragement, guys!!
Nick K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From dmm at lemur.com  Sun Aug  8 14:07:09 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:07:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What did the soviets use in the 40s to 60s for
	TTY's ?
Message-ID: <201008081759.CZG56988@rg6.cniteam.com>


I've got copies of some 1930s vintage Teletypesetter Corp "Technical
Specifications" which list the cusotmer as "Russia."  These are mostly
documents laying out the "set widths" of the individual characters in
a font of Linotype matrices.  So it would seem that on the Teletypesetter
side the USSR not only used or licensed TTS Corp. equipment but
was actually an "early adopter" of the technology.  


As an unrelated Iron Curtain item, here's a 1953 DDR (East German) 
postage stamp showing a somewhat stylized teleprinter:

http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/telegraphy/tty1/gallery/stamps/teletype-s
tamp-DDR-sc161-postsdam-cto-1200rgb-rot0p7cw-crop-1158x1336.jpg

Regards,
David M.
===
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   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 18:46:22 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:46:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] so far away .. local pickup only in Maine
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYFQHR66mij9GZPS28umSofwyho0Nhmc5q=R_w@mail.gmail.com>

on the E 250679688535

someone put it on a pallet for me ? :-)

-pete

From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon Aug  9 06:08:29 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 07:08:29 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Display
Message-ID: <4C5FA96D.20765.1FBB3A@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

While I have posted individual photos of the teletypes in 
the museum before, I have just uploaded a couple of photos 
of the museum's teletype display to my site. These photos 
show the Model 28 ASR, the newly added ASR-33, and AN/UGC 
504, etc. 

The ASR-33 is working for demos, but only because I have 
moved the printer from the KSR-33 to it temporarily 
(original printer has an as yet unresolved line feed 
problem) The KSR isn't shown - it is located on the 
opposite wall from the others.

This URL will take you directly to the page showing museum 
photos:

http://www.telpei.com/

Hopefully, I will soon have the other printer working soon, 
and I can return the KSR's printer to it, and put the 
original ASR printer back into it....

Just thought some might like to see the "collective" 
collection!

Dave

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  9 07:38:42 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:38:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Display
In-Reply-To: <4C5FA96D.20765.1FBB3A@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C5FA96D.20765.1FBB3A@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4C5FE8C2.60705@bellsouth.net>

Dave Hunter wrote:
> Hi All:
>
>
> The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
> Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!
>   
Nice display!  Question- what is the blue object between the Tie Mod-key 
KSU and it's power supply "brick"?  At first I thought it might be some 
module - but then I thought it might be a booklet or such?  Anyway - we 
still have several DM616s in service - including one fully outfitted 
with both expansions (i.e. 6 lines and 16 extensions); the one here in 
this office is only a 2/16 - but does have the somewhat rare "front door 
extension box". Also - not familiar with the two phones you note are 
hooked to your KSU (99% of our extensions are the 60081A)...  - what's 
their model #?

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From nagle at animats.com  Tue Aug 10 01:12:31 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:12:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 ASR in Maine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.109.1281369671.6321.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.109.1281369671.6321.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C60DFBF.8070003@animats.com>

On 8/9/2010 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:46:22 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire<xyzzypdx at gmail.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] so far away .. local pickup only in Maine
> To: greenkeys<GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTimYFQHR66mij9GZPS28umSofwyho0Nhmc5q=R_w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> on the E 250679688535
>
> someone put it on a pallet for me ?:-)
>
> -pete

     Yes, up in Bath, Maine, there's a Model 28 ASR for sale on eBay.
That's the big machine with the separate TD and punch.
Current bid is $9.98.  Looks dirty, but repairable.

				John Nagle


From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Tue Aug 10 13:45:32 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:45:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Radiomarine] URGENT! The MRHS Needs Your Help!
In-Reply-To: <17012908.1281378592544.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <17012908.1281378592544.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4C61903C.4090701@eskimo.com>

GE OMs

Here's what I filed.

I'm writing to support the comments filed by the Maritime Radio Historical 
Society (MRHS) regarding WRC-12. Specifically, I agree with the MRHS position 
that the FCC should not support those portions of the recommendations for WRC-12 
that would adversely effect MRHS station KSM and other stations in the maritime 
service."

I ask, please, to keep available the A1A (morse code) and F1 (frequency shift 
keying) transmissions. They require very little bandwidth in the shortwave 
spectrum, and are enjoyable to monitor by many shortwave and amateur radio 
listeners.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | We trained hard... but it seemed that every time
                  | we were beginning to form up into teams we would
                  | be reorganized. I was to learn later in life
                  | that we meet any new situation by reorganizing,
                  | and a wonderful method it can be for creating the
                  | illusion of progress while producing confusion,
                  | inefficiency, and demoralization.
                  |                -General Gaius Petronius (210 B.C)


From webbeck at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 10 14:26:57 2010
From: webbeck at bellsouth.net (John Beckman)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:26:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AT&T
Message-ID: <4C6199F1.8090105@bellsouth.net>

The link below is a 1965 AT&T film based on airline communications at 
the time. It is about 20 minutes long - but it is full of relay rooms 
and model 28s. If you have the time you might find it interesting. It 
also reminds me of simpler times and phones with dials on them.

John, W4BTX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10wAV9rZKM&feature=channel 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10wAV9rZKM&feature=channel>

-- 
Fight organized crime!  Re-elect no one.


From rjcote at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Aug 10 15:26:05 2010
From: rjcote at hawaii.rr.com (Ray cote)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:26:05 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] so far away .. local pickup only in Maine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYFQHR66mij9GZPS28umSofwyho0Nhmc5q=R_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYFQHR66mij9GZPS28umSofwyho0Nhmc5q=R_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <504E32F6C94E416B8A6887E0BDB81163@OwnerPC>

I want one again.   gave away 2 in 1980  boo hoo
Ray

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Pete Lancashire" <xyzzypdx at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:46 PM
To: "greenkeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] so far away .. local pickup only in Maine

> on the E 250679688535
> 
> someone put it on a pallet for me ? :-)
> 
> -pete
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 10 15:47:40 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:47:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] AT&T
In-Reply-To: <4C6199F1.8090105@bellsouth.net>
References: <4C6199F1.8090105@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <p06240839c8875b1ab639@[10.0.1.198]>

A lot of fun.  They even mentioned our local airport (Cedar Rapids). 
Lots of airlines that no longer exist.  I ran across this one from 
1948.  Meant for kids but a lot of history.  I am pretty sure that 
the airport is Midway.  If you look closely, the teletypes in this 
one are model 15s.

David Christ

At 2:26 PM -0400 8/10/10, John Beckman wrote:
>The link below is a 1965 AT&T film based on airline communications at
>the time. It is about 20 minutes long - but it is full of relay rooms
>and model 28s. If you have the time you might find it interesting. It
>also reminds me of simpler times and phones with dials on them.
>
>John, W4BTX
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10wAV9rZKM&feature=channel
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10wAV9rZKM&feature=channel>
>
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>Fight organized crime!  Re-elect no one.
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From pete at petelancashire.com  Tue Aug 10 17:04:57 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:04:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] AT&T
In-Reply-To: <4C6199F1.8090105@bellsouth.net>
References: <4C6199F1.8090105@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=z4g36oED5AJz0vdp5DasvQbkDUfGyBkuZUXRq@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a bit of TTY at SAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYVvk2G-cNM

3:55 to 4:15

Not sure what the printers are at 5:01

-pete

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:26 AM, John Beckman <webbeck at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The link below is a 1965 AT&T film based on airline communications at
> the time. It is about 20 minutes long - but it is full of relay rooms
> and model 28s. If you have the time you might find it interesting. It
> also reminds me of simpler times and phones with dials on them.
>
> John, W4BTX
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10wAV9rZKM&feature=channel
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r10wAV9rZKM&feature=channel>
>
> --
> Fight organized crime! ?Re-elect no one.
>
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 10 19:20:44 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:20:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Additional Manuals Available
Message-ID: <p0624083bc88789049306@[10.0.1.198]>

First - I will probably get around to responding later this week to 
those who have expressed interest.  I have not paid any attention to 
how many duplicate requests there are.  In the end I will reply to 
all.

I have found some more unneeded manuals.  The original message still applies.

I am cleaning house and have the following sets of Teletype Manuals 
(Bulletins) available.  I only ask that you at least pay the postage. 
It's up to you.

Let me know if you are interested.  Generally shipping is $11 or 
less.  I'll be glad to answer any questions.

Make my wife happy by finding homes for these.

David K0LUM



Some sets also contain correction sheets and wiring diagrams

----------------

Set 10

Bulletin 273B  Technical Manual 32 and 33 Teletypewriter Sets 
Keyboard Send-Receive (KSR) Receive-Only (RO) Automatic Send-Receive 
(ASR)  Volumes 1 and 2

Bulletin 1184B Parts Model 32 and 33 Page Printer Set (ASR, KSR, RO)

---------

Set 11

Bulletin 1194B  Parts Teletype Tape Printer Set for Stock Ticker Service

------------

Set 12

Bulletin 138B  Adjustments Type Bar Page Printer Models 15 and 20

--------------

Set 13

Bulletin 242B  General Description and Theory of Operation Model 28 
Transmitter Distributor LBXD1, LBXB1, LBXC1

Note: This is the two shaft model with separate sensing and 
distributor shafts.  Either serial or multiple wire output.

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 10 19:39:41 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:39:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Plane Talk and other films
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008101831460.4773@localhost>

http://www.archive.org is a good source of this kind of stuff
you can download.


From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Tue Aug 10 19:53:05 2010
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:53:05 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Plane Talk and other films
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008101831460.4773@localhost>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008101831460.4773@localhost>
Message-ID: <4C61E661.6000209@ntlworld.com>

Jim Haynes wrote:
>  http://www.archive.org is a good source of this kind of stuff you can
>  download.

Thanks for remiding me, Jim. I was recently pointed to this film:

http://www.archive.org/details/Telegram1956

which is a promotional for Western Union. Lots of drool-worthy printers, 
tape punches and readers shuttling messages about the USA.

Cheers,
Sam


From dmm at lemur.com  Tue Aug 10 22:34:06 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:34:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
Message-ID: <201008110226.ACM07272@rg7.cniteam.com>


Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
just curious.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 10 22:42:41 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:42:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
Message-ID: <380-2201083112424134@earthlink.net>

Dave,

It may be a "teletype" but it is not a "teleprinter" or "teletypewriter". 
It is a "Weatstone perforator" or 'Morse perforator" made by the Teletype
Corporation. It punches two rows of holes and was used to transmit
high-speed Morse Code.

Since it says "Teletype Corporation" on it, this unit is no older than
about 1925.

Have fun,

Duncan 


> [Original Message]
> From: <dmm at lemur.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 10-Aug-10 22:27:05
> Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
>
>
> Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
> on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
> just curious.
>
> Regards,
> David M.
> ===
> Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com &
www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
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>        - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Tue Aug 10 22:58:48 2010
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:58:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
In-Reply-To: <201008110226.ACM07272@rg7.cniteam.com>
References: <201008110226.ACM07272@rg7.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <20100811025854.B7E943738966@mailman.qth.net>

At 10:34 PM 8/10/2010, dmm at lemur.com wrote:
>Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
>on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
>just curious.

It looks exactly like a Morse perforator.  And...upon close 
inspection of the tape punch
head, you see a two-level perforator with a center sprocket 
punch.  Morse tape was
a two level system to drive an on-off keying arrangement.  Although 
it is labeled
as a teletype perforator, it's just a Morse perforator made by Teletype Corp.

And it will never sell for that price! (Unless someone has a CW museum?)
I have had two of them over the years and still have one.  They are
useless unless you have a Boehme or McElroy keying head to send the CW.
Today's computers do this with software.

W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime Coastal stations
did also, but in later years switched to computers.

Perry  w8au



From packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 23:06:27 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:06:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone/Morse Perforator on eBay...
In-Reply-To: <380-2201083112424134@earthlink.net>
References: <380-2201083112424134@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <172CB9A2-6105-4D34-B70A-9026637EFD1A@gmail.com>

The Morkrum Kleinschmidt later Teletype Corporation Morse Perforator was
a very popular product spanning many years.

According to it's inventor, Edward E. Kleinschmidt, one of the  
earliest produced
was returned to him by a customer who had used it every day for over  
30 years.
I am glad I have his book... the price below is for an autographed  
copy...

Don K9TTY

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From:
Printing Telegraphy. a New Era Begins  ($100.00)
Kleinschmidt, Edward E.
Bookseller: Martin Nevers- used & rare books (Oxford, FL, U.S.A.)
Bookseller Rating: 
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Quantity Available: 1
Book Description: Self Published. Hard Cover. Book Condition: Vg. 8vo  
- over 7?" - 9?" tall. 63 pages. Green binding with gold lettering on  
front cover. About 20 pages of B/W photos. Bottom corner tips of front  
and back covers bumped. Photos of book on request. Signed and dated  
1965 on Title Page By Author. Bookseller Inventory # 007605


On 10 Aug 2010, at 9:42 PM, Duncan M. Brown wrote:

Dave,

It may be a "teletype" but it is not a "teleprinter" or  
"teletypewriter".
It is a "Weatstone perforator" or 'Morse perforator" made by the  
Teletype
Corporation. It punches two rows of holes and was used to transmit
high-speed Morse Code.

Since it says "Teletype Corporation" on it, this unit is no older than
about 1925.

Have fun,

Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: <dmm at lemur.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 10-Aug-10 22:27:05
> Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
>
>
> Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
> on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
> just curious.
>
> Regards,
> David M.
> ===
> Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com &
www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
>   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
>       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
>
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From ddillman at igc.org  Tue Aug 10 23:11:02 2010
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:11:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
Message-ID: <19517690.1281496262906.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


>It looks exactly like a Morse perforator.  And...upon close 
>inspection of the tape punch
>head, you see a two-level perforator with a center sprocket 
>punch.  Morse tape was
>a two level system to drive an on-off keying arrangement.  Although 
>it is labeled
>as a teletype perforator, it's just a Morse perforator made by Teletype Corp.

Correct, OM.  And they are typically called "Kleinschmidts" or "Kleins".  We have several in service at KSM.

>And it will never sell for that price! (Unless someone has a CW museum?)
>I have had two of them over the years and still have one.  They are
>useless unless you have a Boehme or McElroy keying head to send the CW.
>Today's computers do this with software.

<gak!>  

Well, yes, that's true.  But for the full effect of time travel one must punch the tape (wearing one's green eyeshade), make a loop of it (for a the repeating "wheel") and glue the ends together with mucilage (nothing else will do).

When I first started punching tape on the Klein I quickly realized there was no way to correct a mistake.  So I asked some of the old timers how they handled that situation.  They looked at me in my eye and said "we didn't make mistakes".  Not boasting, mind.  Just stating the fact.

We have several Boehme keying heads in service.  While these can be used at 20-30wpm for the wheel or the traffic list, these devices have a three speed transmission a variable speed DC motor and a cool spedometer.  You can crank 'em up to 120wpm or higher (depending on model).  These speeds were used to put traffic across point to point circuits, especially during the war.  

At the receive end the incoming signal was recorded as an undulating line on paper tape by a siphon pen.  Banks of operators sat before typewriters across which the tape was drawn.  They read the tape and typed the message.  There are photos of all this on our Web site (URL below)

>W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime Coastal stations
>did also, but in later years switched to computers.

Blasphemy.  Well, actually we do send the press and weather from computers at KSM.  But when men were men...

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================

From w8au at sssnet.com  Tue Aug 10 23:43:31 2010
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:43:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
In-Reply-To: <19517690.1281496262906.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.s
	a.earthlink.net>
References: <19517690.1281496262906.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20100811034338.3212D881CA@mailman.qth.net>

When I made my comment about Coastal Stations eventually switching to 
computers, I KNEW
that Mr. KPH/KSM would have something to add.... :-)

I loved playing with my "Klein" and McElroy head years ago.  I would 
test my copying ability
(in my head) by running the Keying head up to 120 wpm... Never got 
much over 80...
As with mechanical RTTY versus "glass RTTY," the electromechanical 
systems even for CW are much more fun... the noise really adds to the 
atmosphere!!

Perry  w8au

At 11:11 PM 8/10/2010, Richard Dillman wrote:
>they are typically called "Kleinschmidts" or "Kleins".  We have 
>several in service at KSM.

>for the full effect of time travel one must punch the tape (wearing 
>one's green eyeshade), make a loop of it (for a the repeating 
>"wheel") and glue the ends together with mucilage (nothing else will do).
>
>When I first started punching tape on the Klein I quickly realized 
>there was no way to correct a mistake.  So I asked some of the old 
>timers how they handled that situation.  They looked at me in my eye 
>and said "we didn't make mistakes".  Not boasting, mind.  Just 
>stating the fact.
>
>We have several Boehme keying heads in service.  While these can be 
>used at 20-30wpm for the wheel or the traffic list, these devices 
>have a three speed transmission a variable speed DC motor and a cool 
>spedometer.  You can crank 'em up to 120wpm or higher (depending on 
>model).  These speeds were used to put traffic across point to point 
>circuits, especially during the war.
>
>At the receive end the incoming signal was recorded as an undulating 
>line on paper tape by a siphon pen.  Banks of operators sat before 
>typewriters across which the tape was drawn.  They read the tape and 
>typed the message.  There are photos of all this on our Web site (URL below)
>
> >W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime 
> Coastal stations
> >did also, but in later years switched to computers.
>
>Blasphemy.  Well, actually we do send the press and weather from 
>computers at KSM.  But when men were men...
>
>RD
>
>=================================
>Richard Dillman
>Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
>Maritime Radio Historical Society
>http://www.radiomarine.org
>=================================


From k9tty at dls.net  Tue Aug 10 23:45:21 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:45:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone/Morse Perforator on eBay...
References: <172CB9A2-6105-4D34-B70A-9026637EFD1A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D9BA3D8-2807-4075-A6FC-2804DB73BF2A@dls.net>

The Morkrum Kleinschmidt later Teletype Corporation Morse Perforator was
a very popular product spanning many years.

According to it's inventor, Edward E. Kleinschmidt, one of the  
earliest produced
was returned to him by a customer who had used it every day for over  
30 years.
I am glad I have his book... the price below is for an autographed  
copy...

Don K9TTY

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From:
Printing Telegraphy. a New Era Begins  ($100.00)
Kleinschmidt, Edward E.
Bookseller: Martin Nevers- used & rare books (Oxford, FL, U.S.A.)
Bookseller Rating: 
-------------- next part --------------

Quantity Available: 1
Book Description: Self Published. Hard Cover. Book Condition: Vg. 8vo  
- over 7?" - 9?" tall. 63 pages. Green binding with gold lettering on  
front cover. About 20 pages of B/W photos. Bottom corner tips of front  
and back covers bumped. Photos of book on request. Signed and dated  
1965 on Title Page By Author. Bookseller Inventory # 007605


On 10 Aug 2010, at 9:42 PM, Duncan M. Brown wrote:

Dave,

It may be a "teletype" but it is not a "teleprinter" or  
"teletypewriter".
It is a "Weatstone perforator" or 'Morse perforator" made by the  
Teletype
Corporation. It punches two rows of holes and was used to transmit
high-speed Morse Code.

Since it says "Teletype Corporation" on it, this unit is no older than
about 1925.

Have fun,

Duncan


> [Original Message]
> From: <dmm at lemur.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 10-Aug-10 22:27:05
> Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
>
>
> Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
> on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
> just curious.
>
> Regards,
> David M.
> ===
> Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com &
www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
>  The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
>      - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jcwilson at ida.net  Wed Aug 11 00:13:57 2010
From: jcwilson at ida.net (John Wilson k0ip)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:13:57 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
Message-ID: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>

On Ebay,  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Info-Tech-M-200F-What-It-No-Reserve-/180543393483?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
might be of interest to someone ??  I am not the seller. I just found it

From n9vmo at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 00:21:53 2010
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:21:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
In-Reply-To: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>
References: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>
Message-ID: <003201cb390c$bb5d0f20$32172d60$@net>

That is the Great-Great-Grandfather of the M7000, digital decoder.

This one reads RTTY and CW and directly outputs to a video monitor.

HTH

Joe
N9VMO

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Wilson
k0ip
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 00:14
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve

On Ebay,  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Info-Tech-M-200F-What-It-No-Reserve-/180543393483?
pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
might be of interest to someone ??  I am not the seller. I just found
it
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From ddillman at igc.org  Wed Aug 11 00:25:12 2010
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:25:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
Message-ID: <21482866.1281500712848.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


>When I made my comment about Coastal Stations eventually switching to 
>computers, I KNEW
>that Mr. KPH/KSM would have something to add.... :-)

Heh...

>As with mechanical RTTY versus "glass RTTY," the electromechanical 
>systems even for CW are much more fun... the noise really adds to the 
>atmosphere!!

You speak the truth, OM.

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================

From gbuda at cyberwright.net  Wed Aug 11 00:19:23 2010
From: gbuda at cyberwright.net (Gary Buda)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:19:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 79, Issue 17
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>    3. Re: Wheatstone/Morse Perforator on eBay... (Don Robert House)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:11:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Richard Dillman <ddillman at igc.org>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
> To: w8au at sssnet.com, dmm at lemur.com, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> 	<19517690.1281496262906.JavaMail.root at elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net
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>
> >It looks exactly like a Morse perforator.  And...upon close
> >inspection of the tape punch
> >head, you see a two-level perforator with a center sprocket
> >punch.  Morse tape was
> >a two level system to drive an on-off keying arrangement.  Although
> >it is labeled
> >as a teletype perforator, it's just a Morse perforator made by Teletype
> > Corp.
>
> Correct, OM.  And they are typically called "Kleinschmidts" or "Kleins". 
> We have several in service at KSM.
>
> >And it will never sell for that price! (Unless someone has a CW museum?)
> >I have had two of them over the years and still have one.  They are
> >useless unless you have a Boehme or McElroy keying head to send the CW.
> >Today's computers do this with software.
>
> <gak!>
>
> Well, yes, that's true.  But for the full effect of time travel one must
> punch the tape (wearing one's green eyeshade), make a loop of it (for a the
> repeating "wheel") and glue the ends together with mucilage (nothing else
> will do).
>
> When I first started punching tape on the Klein I quickly realized there
> was no way to correct a mistake.  So I asked some of the old timers how
> they handled that situation.  They looked at me in my eye and said "we
> didn't make mistakes".  Not boasting, mind.  Just stating the fact.
>
> We have several Boehme keying heads in service.  While these can be used at
> 20-30wpm for the wheel or the traffic list, these devices have a three
> speed transmission a variable speed DC motor and a cool spedometer.  You
> can crank 'em up to 120wpm or higher (depending on model).  These speeds
> were used to put traffic across point to point circuits, especially during
> the war.
>
> At the receive end the incoming signal was recorded as an undulating line
> on paper tape by a siphon pen.  Banks of operators sat before typewriters
> across which the tape was drawn.  They read the tape and typed the message.
>  There are photos of all this on our Web site (URL below)
>
> >W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime Coastal
> > stations did also, but in later years switched to computers.
>
> Blasphemy.  Well, actually we do send the press and weather from computers
> at KSM.  But when men were men...
>
> RD
>
> =================================
> Richard Dillman
> Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
> Maritime Radio Historical Society
> http://www.radiomarine.org
> =================================
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:43:31 -0400
> From: w8au at sssnet.com
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20100811034338.3212D881CA at mailman.qth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> When I made my comment about Coastal Stations eventually switching to
> computers, I KNEW
> that Mr. KPH/KSM would have something to add.... :-)
>
> I loved playing with my "Klein" and McElroy head years ago.  I would
> test my copying ability
> (in my head) by running the Keying head up to 120 wpm... Never got
> much over 80...
> As with mechanical RTTY versus "glass RTTY," the electromechanical
> systems even for CW are much more fun... the noise really adds to the
> atmosphere!!
>
> Perry  w8au
>
> At 11:11 PM 8/10/2010, Richard Dillman wrote:
> >they are typically called "Kleinschmidts" or "Kleins".  We have
> >several in service at KSM.
> >
> >for the full effect of time travel one must punch the tape (wearing
> >one's green eyeshade), make a loop of it (for a the repeating
> >"wheel") and glue the ends together with mucilage (nothing else will do).
> >
> >When I first started punching tape on the Klein I quickly realized
> >there was no way to correct a mistake.  So I asked some of the old
> >timers how they handled that situation.  They looked at me in my eye
> >and said "we didn't make mistakes".  Not boasting, mind.  Just
> >stating the fact.
> >
> >We have several Boehme keying heads in service.  While these can be
> >used at 20-30wpm for the wheel or the traffic list, these devices
> >have a three speed transmission a variable speed DC motor and a cool
> >spedometer.  You can crank 'em up to 120wpm or higher (depending on
> >model).  These speeds were used to put traffic across point to point
> >circuits, especially during the war.
> >
> >At the receive end the incoming signal was recorded as an undulating
> >line on paper tape by a siphon pen.  Banks of operators sat before
> >typewriters across which the tape was drawn.  They read the tape and
> >typed the message.  There are photos of all this on our Web site (URL
> > below)
> >
> > >W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime
> >
> > Coastal stations
> >
> > >did also, but in later years switched to computers.
> >
> >Blasphemy.  Well, actually we do send the press and weather from
> >computers at KSM.  But when men were men...
> >
> >RD
> >
> >=================================
> >Richard Dillman
> >Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
> >Maritime Radio Historical Society
> >http://www.radiomarine.org
> >=================================
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:45:21 -0500
> From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone/Morse Perforator on eBay...
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <0D9BA3D8-2807-4075-A6FC-2804DB73BF2A at dls.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The Morkrum Kleinschmidt later Teletype Corporation Morse Perforator was
> a very popular product spanning many years.
>
> According to it's inventor, Edward E. Kleinschmidt, one of the
> earliest produced
> was returned to him by a customer who had used it every day for over
> 30 years.
> I am glad I have his book... the price below is for an autographed
> copy...
>
> Don K9TTY
>
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>
> From:
> Printing Telegraphy. a New Era Begins  ($100.00)
> Kleinschmidt, Edward E.
> Bookseller: Martin Nevers- used & rare books (Oxford, FL, U.S.A.)
> Bookseller Rating:
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>
> Quantity Available: 1
> Book Description: Self Published. Hard Cover. Book Condition: Vg. 8vo
> - over 7?" - 9?" tall. 63 pages. Green binding with gold lettering on
> front cover. About 20 pages of B/W photos. Bottom corner tips of front
> and back covers bumped. Photos of book on request. Signed and dated
> 1965 on Title Page By Author. Bookseller Inventory # 007605
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2010, at 9:42 PM, Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> It may be a "teletype" but it is not a "teleprinter" or
> "teletypewriter".
> It is a "Weatstone perforator" or 'Morse perforator" made by the
> Teletype
> Corporation. It punches two rows of holes and was used to transmit
> high-speed Morse Code.
>
> Since it says "Teletype Corporation" on it, this unit is no older than
> about 1925.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <dmm at lemur.com>
> > To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: 10-Aug-10 22:27:05
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
> >
> >
> > Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
> > on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
> > just curious.
> >
> > Regards,
> > David M.
> > ===
> > Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com &
>
> www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
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I'm with Perry, K8AU...the noise plus the aroma of warm oil adds to the charm 
of the electromechanical devices.  I'm a mainframe jock and still prefer the 
old machinery!
Gary WA0NDN CR CR LF LTRS
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 11 10:04:13 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:04:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
Message-ID: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>


>  Although  it is labeled
> as a teletype perforator, it's just a Morse perforator made by Teletype
Corp.
>

It IS a "Teletype Perforator".  It is a perforator made by the Teletype
Corp. Although we are most familiar with the 5-hole perforators made by
Teletype Corp, they also made perforators for 2, 6, & 8 hole systems.

Teletype Corp. made more than just the 5-level teletypewriters that they
are best know for.  So we should be careful of the use of the word
"teletype" when speaking of teletypewiters. Not all teletypewriters were
made by the Teletype Corp. (There were at least three other manufactures in
the US during the last century.) And not everything that the Teletype Corp
made were teletypewriters.

Then to confuse matters more, we have the Wheatstone Perforators that were
mainly manufactured by Teletype Corp, but were refered to as "Kleins"
because Edwin Kleinschmidt invented it an made the first ones.  (Where does
the name "Wheatstone" come from??)

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, just a pet peve of mine about using trade
names generically. (Perhaps due to working a Xerox Corp. for a while.) 
Probably something that is too ingrained to correct at this late date. Even
the US Signal Corps TMs for the Kleinschmitd TT-4, TT-76, TT-98, etc used
the term "teletype" to describe them.

Have fun,

Duncan



From larryradio at att.net  Wed Aug 11 10:23:34 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:23:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
References: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <721FA9A5ED474A83893E51BE039A5000@ljt>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
 OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, just a pet peve of mine about using trade
names generically. (Perhaps due to working a Xerox Corp. for a while.) 
Probably something that is too ingrained to correct at this late date. 
=======================================================

Good rant Duncan  LOL.  However, I will continue to
'dial' my telephone though   ;>)

lar

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 11 11:21:09 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:21:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
In-Reply-To: <721FA9A5ED474A83893E51BE039A5000@ljt>
References: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
	<721FA9A5ED474A83893E51BE039A5000@ljt>
Message-ID: <4C62BFE5.3050606@bellsouth.net>

Larry Tighe wrote:
> Good rant Duncan  LOL.  However, I will continue to
> 'dial' my telephone though   ;>)
>   
And "turn" off the lights...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From pete at petelancashire.com  Wed Aug 11 11:47:35 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:47:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
In-Reply-To: <003201cb390c$bb5d0f20$32172d60$@net>
References: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>
	<003201cb390c$bb5d0f20$32172d60$@net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GLT5abet2ObjZ9W6Z-fkYCMdbh2d2sFiZTtyW@mail.gmail.com>

must of been pretty well off, it and the Robot Slow-Scan 180543394571
cost quite a bit in
its day ...

-pete

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Joe Montano <n9vmo at comcast.net> wrote:
> That is the Great-Great-Grandfather of the M7000, digital decoder.
>
> This one reads RTTY and CW and directly outputs to a video monitor.
>
> HTH
>
> Joe
> N9VMO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Wilson
> k0ip
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 00:14
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
>
> On Ebay,
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Info-Tech-M-200F-What-It-No-Reserve-/180543393483?
> pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
> might be of interest to someone ?? ?I am not the seller. I just found
> it
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 12:08:38 2010
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:08:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GLT5abet2ObjZ9W6Z-fkYCMdbh2d2sFiZTtyW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>	<003201cb390c$bb5d0f20$32172d60$@net>
	<AANLkTi=GLT5abet2ObjZ9W6Z-fkYCMdbh2d2sFiZTtyW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01cb396f$7660a770$6321f650$@net>

Have you looked and the price tag on an M-7000 lately???  Those are salty ;)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:48
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve

must of been pretty well off, it and the Robot Slow-Scan 180543394571
cost quite a bit in
its day ...

-pete

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Joe Montano <n9vmo at comcast.net> wrote:
> That is the Great-Great-Grandfather of the M7000, digital decoder.
>
> This one reads RTTY and CW and directly outputs to a video monitor.
>
> HTH
>
> Joe
> N9VMO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Wilson
> k0ip
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 00:14
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
>
> On Ebay,
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Info-Tech-M-200F-What-It-No-Reserve-/180543393483?
> pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
> might be of interest to someone ??  I am not the seller. I just found
> it
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From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Wed Aug 11 13:03:05 2010
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:03:05 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
In-Reply-To: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4C62D7C9.2090506@ntlworld.com>

Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>  Then to confuse matters more, we have the Wheatstone Perforators that
>  were mainly manufactured by Teletype Corp, but were refered to as
>  "Kleins" because Edwin Kleinschmidt invented it an made the first
>  ones.  (Where does the name "Wheatstone" come from??)

Shame on you, Duncan!! History lesson needed.....

Sir Charles Wheatstone, inventor of electrical telegraphy along with 
William Cooke. He later developed the method of sending high speed Morse 
using paper tape. Originally tape was punched by a manual punch using a 
stick held in each fist. Later Wheatstone developed a pneumatically 
powered punch. The tape was transmitted to line by a device like this:

http://www.samhallas.co.uk/bt_museum/morse_xmtr.jpg

I presume the 'Klein' is a further development allowing input from a 
keyboard - like this device from Creed:

http://www.samhallas.co.uk/museums/henlow/10_morse_keyboard.jpg

Cheers,
Sam



From radioham at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 11 13:42:07 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:42:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
In-Reply-To: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p06240806c8888f9b3da0@[10.0.1.198]>

Scotdh Tape, Kleenex etc.

Reminds me of a Navy MARS meeting I was at 40 years ago.  Something 
needed to be copied and I offered to do it saying we had a good IBM 
xerox machine.  One of the other attendees who had Xerox connections 
blurted out excitedly "Don't call it that!  Don't call it that!"  I 
think at the time Xerox and IBM were in a big patent suit at the time 
and I think there was a lot of direction coming down at Xerox.

David

At 10:04 AM -0400 8/11/10, Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>
>
>OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, just a pet peve of mine about using trade
>names generically. (Perhaps due to working a Xerox Corp. for a while.)
>Probably something that is too ingrained to correct at this late date.
>
>Have fun,
>
>Duncan
>
>
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 11 14:05:52 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:05:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 15 cranks available
Message-ID: <p06240807c888943e53a3@[10.0.1.198]>

As a part of my clean up I found 2 cranks for Mod 15 page printers. 
Used to be something people were always looking for.  Maybe no 
longer.  I don't have M15 machines  any more so they are looking for 
a new home.  $10 each covers shipping.  $15 for both.  First requests 
get them.

David

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 11 14:13:08 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:13:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 15 cranks available
In-Reply-To: <p06240807c888943e53a3@[10.0.1.198]>
References: <p06240807c888943e53a3@[10.0.1.198]>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008111312550.3695@localhost>

So that's where all those missing paper cranks go!


From radioham at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 11 14:27:55 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:27:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 15 cranks available
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008111312550.3695@localhost>
References: <p06240807c888943e53a3@[10.0.1.198]>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1008111312550.3695@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06240808c8889bbc154e@[10.0.1.198]>

Absolutely.  They live right next door to all the socks that go AWOL 
from the washer.

D

>So that's where all those missing paper cranks go!


From radioham at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 11 14:31:29 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:31:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 15 cranks gone
Message-ID: <p0624080bc8889cd7577e@[10.0.1.198]>

They are all spoken for.

David

From hhg at suddenlink.net  Wed Aug 11 16:26:28 2010
From: hhg at suddenlink.net (Herb Graeber)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:26:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
References: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
	<p06240806c8888f9b3da0@[10.0.1.198]>
Message-ID: <53BC15DFE76D4A2A87E89B18D1A903BC@haynsworth>

OK, I'll show my age.  Am I the only former Xerox
employee who remembers Xerox's "You have a
STAKE in our name" campaign in which they offered
prizes to the Xerox employee who turned in the greatest
number of competitors that were improperly using the
Xerox name.  For example, a copy shop that made "Xerox
Copies" on a IBM copier.   Or another that did Xeroxing.
 Oh, the prize was a box of Kansas city steaks.  :>)
  (I know this is off-topic.)

73...Herb K5HG



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Christ" <radioham at mchsi.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay


> Scotdh Tape, Kleenex etc.
>
> Reminds me of a Navy MARS meeting I was at 40 years ago.  Something
> needed to be copied and I offered to do it saying we had a good IBM
> xerox machine.  One of the other attendees who had Xerox connections
> blurted out excitedly "Don't call it that!  Don't call it that!"  I
> think at the time Xerox and IBM were in a big patent suit at the time
> and I think there was a lot of direction coming down at Xerox.
>
> David
>
> At 10:04 AM -0400 8/11/10, Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, just a pet peve of mine about using trade
>>names generically. (Perhaps due to working a Xerox Corp. for a while.)
>>Probably something that is too ingrained to correct at this late date.
>>
>>Have fun,
>>
>>Duncan
>>
>>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Christ" <radioham at mchsi.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay


> Scotdh Tape, Kleenex etc.
>
> Reminds me of a Navy MARS meeting I was at 40 years ago.  Something
> needed to be copied and I offered to do it saying we had a good IBM
> xerox machine.  One of the other attendees who had Xerox connections
> blurted out excitedly "Don't call it that!  Don't call it that!"  I
> think at the time Xerox and IBM were in a big patent suit at the time
> and I think there was a lot of direction coming down at Xerox.
>
> David
>
> At 10:04 AM -0400 8/11/10, Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, just a pet peve of mine about using trade
>>names generically. (Perhaps due to working a Xerox Corp. for a while.)
>>Probably something that is too ingrained to correct at this late date.
>>
>>Have fun,
>>
>>Duncan
>>
>>
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From larryradio at att.net  Wed Aug 11 19:03:02 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:03:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] W1AW
Message-ID: <EE1C3EF1E6F4482D972977A9C2FDC803@d2400>

I tuned in W1AW tonite at the start time of 6 PM and there was a "squirrelly" sounding FSK that did nothing on my TU but garbage.  Went back 15 mins. later and it was the normal FSK.  Anyone know what the initial transmission is about?  Same last nite.

I installed the NEW ribbon cartridge in the AN/UGC-74B I received from Kevin.....What a pleasure to have that cartridge and not use the re-re-inked old one...I don't know how Kevin found a source of them but,  thanks a million Kevin.

lar
K2JIA

From kl0s at cox.net  Wed Aug 11 19:20:21 2010
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:20:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] W1AW
In-Reply-To: <EE1C3EF1E6F4482D972977A9C2FDC803@d2400>
References: <EE1C3EF1E6F4482D972977A9C2FDC803@d2400>
Message-ID: <8973FB26-1504-4F8D-80D3-B9139B24D932@cox.net>

Depending on the day it's either BPSK31 or MFSK16.

Dino KL0S

On 11Aug2010, at 7:03 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:

> I tuned in W1AW tonite at the start time of 6 PM and there was a "squirrelly" sounding FSK that did nothing on my TU but garbage.  Went back 15 mins. later and it was the normal FSK.  Anyone know what the initial transmission is about?  Same last nite.
> 
> I installed the NEW ribbon cartridge in the AN/UGC-74B I received from Kevin.....What a pleasure to have that cartridge and not use the re-re-inked old one...I don't know how Kevin found a source of them but,  thanks a million Kevin.
> 
> lar
> K2JIA

From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 11 19:22:38 2010
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:22:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] W1AW
References: <EE1C3EF1E6F4482D972977A9C2FDC803@d2400>
Message-ID: <008f01cb39ac$16d81850$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
To: "Greenkeys Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] W1AW


>I tuned in W1AW tonite at the start time of 6 PM and there was a 
>"squirrelly" sounding FSK that did nothing on my TU but garbage.  Went back 
>15 mins. later and it was the normal FSK.  Anyone know what the initial 
>transmission is about?  Same last nite.
>
>
> lar
> K2JIA

I did not hear it,but by their schedule it probably was MFSK16.

http://www.arrl.org/digital-transmissions



From iamvirtual at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 22:01:25 2010
From: iamvirtual at gmail.com (B M)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:01:25 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 Manual Reader
Message-ID: <AANLkTim4mF9FNag30YfNrpeitaR0LjYmBoPPKzKvk+gY@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking into why the paper tape is not working on my ASR33.  I am
having a little trouble following the schematic.  Since the reader is
manual, the reader power pack has a part number of 183087.  On the
connector, there is a switch described as the 'Reader Feed Contact".
The switch is connected between Pin 3 and Pin 9 on the connector.  I
was assuming this would be the 'Start/Free' switch on the reader.  Pin
3 is a Brown/Green wire and Pin 9 is White/Black wire.  I can see the
White/Black wire on the reader, but I don't see where the Brown/Green
wire goes.  Putting the Start/Free switch in 'Start' does not give
continuity between Pin 3 and Pin 9.  I do have tape in the reader
(just in case the feed switch is the paper tape out switch).

When plugged in, putting the reader switch in 'Start' mode immediately
causes the fuse on the reader power pack to blow.  I am wondering if
the mechanism is jammed leading to increased current draw.  I did not
remove the reader to clean it, but I did oil & grease the best I
could.  I am looking through the reader maintenance documentation to
figure out the mechanical mechanism.  Any hints on how the reader
advances the drive wheel?

Thanks for any information!

--barrym

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Thu Aug 12 04:16:41 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:16:41 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY patch cords
In-Reply-To: <20100801123423.788ZQ.580642.root@Web01>
References: <20100801123423.788ZQ.580642.root@Web01>
Message-ID: <4C63ADE9.1030405@suddenlink.net>

On 8/1/2010 12:34 PM, jangus at suddenlink.net wrote:
> larryradio at att.net wrote:
>    
>> Nice bunch of new patch cords on the e place.
>>
>> 360269110560
>>      
> And they're gone. ;-) I just bought them. I don't need all 15 of them so if
> anybody needs a couple let me know. $2.50 ea plus postage.
>    
And unfortunately they appear to be pretty well buried.

  Beltfed writes:
> Hello Grendel's Lair,
>
> Austin Weber (beltfed at nctv.com) has issued a full refund for your payment.
>
> Message from merchant: This refund is for the 15 telephone swich cables,
> I have not been able to locate these in my warehouse, I greatly apologize,
> my screwup!!!
>
> Regards, Austin
>    

Well, sometimes you win, sometimes not.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From Til128 at aol.com  Thu Aug 12 10:32:49 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:32:49 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] 173979
Message-ID: <f4637.ad5ad58.39956011@aol.com>

Hi all:

Just out of  curiosity, did anyone ever come up with a company or person 
that would replicate  the print hammers for the 28 reperf? (At a reasonable 
price.)

73,
Tom  Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
HeavyMetal
LL TTY  


From radioham at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 12 14:17:13 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:17:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 173979
In-Reply-To: <f4637.ad5ad58.39956011@aol.com>
References: <f4637.ad5ad58.39956011@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240813c889e9996e11@[10.0.1.198]>

I don't entirely understand your need, but Don Robert House 
<k9tty at dls.net> put me onto
Paul Cembura <mr_rtty at pacbell.net>
RTTY Electronics
PO Box 20101
El Sobrante, Ca. 94820

http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm

I ordered a case of reperf rolls from him, the service was excellent, 
and on the phone he sounds like a neat guy.  He is supposed to have a 
large stock of parts and was a TTY repairman so if you have not 
contacted him I would give it a try.

David


At 10:32 AM -0400 8/12/10, Til128 at aol.com wrote:
>Hi all:
>
>Just out of  curiosity, did anyone ever come up with a company or person
>that would replicate  the print hammers for the 28 reperf? (At a reasonable
>price.)
>
>73,
>Tom  Tillson
>All things  electromechanical
>Greenkeys
>ITTY/East
>HeavyMetal
>LL TTY 
>
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From packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 18:05:43 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:05:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech M-200F "What Is It???" No Reserve
In-Reply-To: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>
References: <4C622385.3090609@ida.net>
Message-ID: <78D2E39C-3CC1-42D7-B373-09E858A88C70@gmail.com>

John,
It is a terminal unit (aka RTTY Modem).  I have one. The only negative  
is that it has no internal loop supply.
It keys an external provided loop to feed the selector magnet.

73,
Don
K9TTY


On 10 Aug 2010, at 11:13 PM, John Wilson k0ip wrote:

On Ebay,
http://cgi.ebay.com/Info-Tech-M-200F-What-It-No-Reserve-/180543393483?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
might be of interest to someone ??  I am not the seller. I just found it
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From packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 18:26:18 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:26:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 173979
In-Reply-To: <p06240813c889e9996e11@[10.0.1.198]>
References: <f4637.ad5ad58.39956011@aol.com>
	<p06240813c889e9996e11@[10.0.1.198]>
Message-ID: <DA34B4EF-D9F5-44D6-B070-2F5F52A7F1F4@gmail.com>

George Hutchison was going to try to make typing perforator hammer  
heads out of
Delrin, but I am not sure if he was successful or not.

Don


On 12 Aug 2010, at 1:17 PM, David Christ wrote:

I don't entirely understand your need, but Don Robert House
<k9tty at dls.net> put me onto
Paul Cembura <mr_rtty at pacbell.net>
RTTY Electronics
PO Box 20101
El Sobrante, Ca. 94820

http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm

I ordered a case of reperf rolls from him, the service was excellent,
and on the phone he sounds like a neat guy.  He is supposed to have a
large stock of parts and was a TTY repairman so if you have not
contacted him I would give it a try.

David


At 10:32 AM -0400 8/12/10, Til128 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> Just out of  curiosity, did anyone ever come up with a company or  
> person
> that would replicate  the print hammers for the 28 reperf? (At a  
> reasonable
> price.)
>
> 73,
> Tom  Tillson
> All things  electromechanical
> Greenkeys
> ITTY/East
> HeavyMetal
> LL TTY
>
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From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Aug 12 18:41:19 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:41:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: BBC GETS IT WRONG !! News - Why do we all use
	Qwerty keyboards?
References: <000001cb39d7$04b65080$0e22f180$@com>
Message-ID: <576DA767-8124-4223-865B-E66777B2E10D@dls.net>


Hi, Don.

Thinking of you when I stumbled across this (incorrect) explanation
of QWERTY keyboards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10925456

The article incorrectly claims that QWERTY was chosen to ?slow down?
typists.

...You and I know that the design prevented adjacent letters in English
words from jamming the keys when pressed in rapid succession ? an
explanation which Wikipedia gets right. In fact, the entire Wikipedia
article is well-written, complete, and interesting (at least to me).

While it is often said that QWERTY was designed to "slow down"
typists, this is incorrect ? it was designed to prevent jams.

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY )

Thinking of you,

Frank


From radioham at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 12 20:01:49 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:01:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: BBC GETS IT WRONG !! News - Why do we all use
 Qwerty keyboards?
In-Reply-To: <576DA767-8124-4223-865B-E66777B2E10D@dls.net>
References: <000001cb39d7$04b65080$0e22f180$@com>
	<576DA767-8124-4223-865B-E66777B2E10D@dls.net>
Message-ID: <p06240817c88a3b53ed9f@[10.0.1.198]>

Indeed.  And to state it in positive terms the design was intended to 
enable clerks (secretaries) to type faster not to slow them down.

David

At 5:41 PM -0500 8/12/10, Don Robert House wrote:
>
>
>The article incorrectly claims that QWERTY was chosen to "slow down"
>typists.
>
>...You and I know that the design prevented adjacent letters in English
>words from jamming the keys when pressed in rapid succession - an
>explanation which Wikipedia gets right. In fact, the entire Wikipedia
>article is well-written, complete, and interesting (at least to me).
>
>While it is often said that QWERTY was designed to "slow down"
>typists, this is incorrect - it was designed to prevent jams.
>
>
>Thinking of you,
>
>Frank

From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Thu Aug 12 20:14:45 2010
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:14:45 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: BBC GETS IT WRONG !! News - Why do we all use
 Qwerty keyboards?
In-Reply-To: <576DA767-8124-4223-865B-E66777B2E10D@dls.net>
References: <000001cb39d7$04b65080$0e22f180$@com>
	<576DA767-8124-4223-865B-E66777B2E10D@dls.net>
Message-ID: <4C648E75.5090807@ntlworld.com>

Don Robert House wrote:
>  Thinking of you when I stumbled across this (incorrect) explanation
>  of QWERTY keyboards.
>  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10925456
>  The article incorrectly claims that QWERTY was chosen to ?slow down?
>  typists.

I didn't read the article that way. I  read it as a review of Stephen 
Fry's programme from earlier in the week where it was Stephen Fry who 
claimed that QWERTY was intended to slow the typist down. The tone of 
the article seemed to imply that such a conclusion is moot.

As Fry is such a devotee of Twitter, perhaps someone ought to tweet him 
with a rebuttal.

Cheers,
Sam


From packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 21:13:49 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:13:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
In-Reply-To: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010831114413741@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <795F1E4E-F972-4894-8DBB-64E63C059814@gmail.com>

Hi Duncan,

> E. E. Kleinschmidt's name is Edward E. Kleinschmidt  I do not know  
> what
the middle initial is for, perhaps it is Edwin.

As you know... Teletype was a trade name invented by the Morkrum- 
Kleinschmidt
Corporation and used by them until the sale was completed to Western  
Electric.
The word is a contraction of Telephone Typewriter according to my  
documentation.

Best,
Don

It IS a "Teletype Perforator".  It is a perforator made by the Teletype
Corp. Although we are most familiar with the 5-hole perforators made by
Teletype Corp, they also made perforators for 2, 6, & 8 hole systems.

Teletype Corp. made more than just the 5-level teletypewriters that they
are best know for.  So we should be careful of the use of the word
"teletype" when speaking of teletypewiters. Not all teletypewriters were
made by the Teletype Corp. (There were at least three other  
manufactures in
the US during the last century.) And not everything that the Teletype  
Corp
made were teletypewriters.

Then to confuse matters more, we have the Wheatstone Perforators that  
were
mainly manufactured by Teletype Corp, but were refered to as "Kleins"
because Edwin Kleinschmidt invented it an made the first ones.  (Where  
does
the name "Wheatstone" come from??)

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, just a pet peve of mine about using  
trade
names generically. (Perhaps due to working a Xerox Corp. for a while.)
Probably something that is too ingrained to correct at this late date.  
Even
the US Signal Corps TMs for the Kleinschmitd TT-4, TT-76, TT-98, etc  
used
the term "teletype" to describe them.

Have fun,

Duncan


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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Thu Aug  5 17:25:49 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:25:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXEiF2=St9Lt7dJgwYtmAZ2nWztcAQvCAEp2Qb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD02FBE8D2F9EB-1814-331E@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>


Barry,

Attached are the 2 pictures for you and anyone else that wants them.  They are out of the wiring diagram with the blue cover thats found in the back on some 33 pedestals.  Print and trim and tape them together for the entire picture.  Also a picture of the Molex connectors wired correctly and a Word document of the wiring of the terminal strip.  

73's

Wayne
KB1FDW






-----Original Message-----
From: B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 5:11 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 modem


On my ASR-33, an Anderson-Jacobson acoustic coupled modem (ADT-233) is
nstalled.  Does anyone have information on this modem?  I have
oogled around, but have only come across the patent for the device,
ut no further information.
I am looking to connect the TTY up to my ancient PDP-11 computer, but
 need to be sure the modem is sufficiently disconnected for the
irect connection.
Thanks!
--barrym
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From gil at baudot.net  Fri Aug 13 13:00:15 2010
From: gil at baudot.net (gil at baudot.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:00:15 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] greenkeys admin backlog
Message-ID: <20100813100015.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.7e523fba4f.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>

Hey folks:

I have been away from greenkeys for about a week -- please pardon the
backlog of admin stuff.  All new subscriptions and so on are up to date.


And on a completely unrelated note, my son Alec played a song with local
band Peppermint James at Tempe Marketplace last week -- I put it up on
youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=743UEf8fEtI


Thought you might get a kick out of it.


gil



gil smith
greenkeys moderator
gil at baudot.net
www.baudot.net
Vaux Electronics:  480-354-5556


From wa2hwj at att.net  Fri Aug 13 16:03:06 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:03:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TEST DE K0TTY
Message-ID: <000901cb3b22$8b9a6770$a2cf3650$@net>

ZCZC

 

TEST DE K0TTY

 

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY

 

NNNN

 

 


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Aug 14 12:13:49 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:13:49 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question About Heavy Metal, Version 2.4?
Message-ID: <4C66968D.15171.160A661@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Guys:

I am setting up an instance of Heavy Metal to feed my ASR 
and KSR 33's. I have HM set for 110 baud, even parity, 7 
data bits and 2 stop bits.

Now, what I would like to do is to be able to receive feeds 
from the Internet in baudot, then export them to the 
machine in ascii. Can this be done? I only see the one 
setting for HM with regard to baudot/ascii - if I set it to 
ascii, it effects the reception of feeds from the internet, 
so needs to be set for baudot (unless I found an ascii 
feed).

With it set to baudot, all I am printing is jibberish.

So how, it it is possible do I get HM to output in ascii 
without affecting the input settng. I'd hate to have to use 
Procomm or something like that to demonstrate the ascii 
machines.  

HM is wonderful with my Model 28 - what an incredible 
program. I am hoping that I might be able to do something 
to get it working with the 33's...

Dave

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The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Aug 14 13:03:19 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:03:19 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question About Heavy Metal, Version 2.4?
In-Reply-To: <4C66968D.15171.160A661@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C66968D.15171.160A661@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4C66A227.14019.18DF736@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Further to my last message by way of further explaination.

If I am receiving a news feed on the internet, and then go 
to config/code, and change it from baudot to ascii, all of 
a sudden the screen display of the text changes to small 
empty rectangular boxes for each letter. Change it back to 
baudot, and the screen again has a normal display.

This is with version 2.4 - I haven't tried other 
versions...

Dave

On 14 Aug 2010 at 13:13, Dave Hunter wrote:

> Hi Guys:
> 
> I am setting up an instance of Heavy Metal to feed my ASR
> and KSR 33's. I have HM set for 110 baud, even parity, 7
> data bits and 2 stop bits.
> 
> Now, what I would like to do is to be able to receive feeds
> from the Internet in baudot, then export them to the machine
> in ascii. Can this be done? I only see the one setting for
> HM with regard to baudot/ascii - if I set it to ascii, it
> effects the reception of feeds from the internet, so needs
> to be set for baudot (unless I found an ascii feed).
> 
> With it set to baudot, all I am printing is jibberish.
> 
> So how, it it is possible do I get HM to output in ascii
> without affecting the input settng. I'd hate to have to use
> Procomm or something like that to demonstrate the ascii
> machines.  
> 
> HM is wonderful with my Model 28 - what an incredible 
> program. I am hoping that I might be able to do something to
> get it working with the 33's...
> 
> Dave
> 
> The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html
> 
> The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
> Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!
> 
> 
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Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 13:08:19 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:08:19 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Simulated Teletype Operations
Message-ID: <2c853.4920898c.39982783@aol.com>

Reminder To Those Interested:

The CommCenter Group offers military-styled traffic on two simulated
teletype replicators Virtual Circuit to anyone who is interested.

a. http://commcenter-8.net

Simulates a 60 wpm teletype on an Army circuit (Vietnam era). Traffic
available 24/7, and runs for 24 hours before it rotates off the screen.
Format is ACP-127 Tape Relay

b. http://commcenter-8.net/cc-9

Simulates a 60 wpm radio teletype circuit on a Navy/Coast Guard hybrid
circuit with nautical, sea service, and oceanographic-oriented traffic in
all formats. Same traffic pattern as above. 

In order to copy, you must have JAVA installed and enabled. Enjoy

Dave

From richardschumann at comcast.net  Sat Aug 14 14:13:39 2010
From: richardschumann at comcast.net (Richard Schumann)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:13:39 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Simulated Teletype Operations
References: <2c853.4920898c.39982783@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A4FDF2CBA6254B30B9679D946E54D3FA@Brian80gig>

Too bad teleprinter sound doesn't follow actual printing action.....   :-(


Richard  kn7sfz


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: NNN7DXB at aol.com 
  To: greenKeys at mailman.qth.net ; USASTRATCOM_OLDHQS at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:08 AM
  Subject: [GreenKeys] Simulated Teletype Operations


  Reminder To Those Interested:

  The CommCenter Group offers military-styled traffic on two simulated
  teletype replicators Virtual Circuit to anyone who is interested.

  a. http://commcenter-8.net

  Simulates a 60 wpm teletype on an Army circuit (Vietnam era). Traffic
  available 24/7, and runs for 24 hours before it rotates off the screen.
  Format is ACP-127 Tape Relay

  b. http://commcenter-8.net/cc-9

  Simulates a 60 wpm radio teletype circuit on a Navy/Coast Guard hybrid
  circuit with nautical, sea service, and oceanographic-oriented traffic in
  all formats. Same traffic pattern as above. 

  In order to copy, you must have JAVA installed and enabled. Enjoy

  Dave
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 14:22:48 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:22:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Word Document of 33 ASR Terminal strip wiring
Message-ID: <8CD09F4D51A2717-F3C-CB03@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>


This may have been missing on my previous email if anyone needs it.

Wayne




From teletypeparts at aol.com  Sat Aug 14 14:28:30 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:28:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Word Document of 33 ASR Terminal strip wiring
In-Reply-To: <8CD09F4D51A2717-F3C-CB03@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD09F4D51A2717-F3C-CB03@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD09F5A0F0FB79-F3C-CB70@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>



One more try on the terminal strip wiring.



Terminal Strip wiring for 20MA, Full Duplex
 
1       2 white wires (AC neu)
2       2 black wires (AC hot)
3       2 wires same spade white/red and slate
4       2 wires same spade orange/green and red
5       2 wires separate spades white/blue and brown/yellow
6       2 wires same spade white/yellow and white/black
7       2 wires same spade red/green and white/brown
8       1 wire   black/green
9       2 wires separate spades purple and yellow
 





-----Original Message-----
From: teletypeparts at aol.com
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2010 2:22 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Word Document of 33 ASR Terminal strip wiring



his may have been missing on my previous email if anyone needs it.
Wayne


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From packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 14 16:40:20 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:40:20 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TEST DE K0TTY
In-Reply-To: <000901cb3b22$8b9a6770$a2cf3650$@net>
References: <000901cb3b22$8b9a6770$a2cf3650$@net>
Message-ID: <68AE0E7B-852B-4347-BF14-CFA3D8DB3941@gmail.com>

ROGER YOUR LAST

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS

DON K9TTY

From chrise at pobox.com  Sat Aug 14 17:04:11 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:04:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TEST DE K0TTY
In-Reply-To: <68AE0E7B-852B-4347-BF14-CFA3D8DB3941@gmail.com>
References: <000901cb3b22$8b9a6770$a2cf3650$@net>
	<68AE0E7B-852B-4347-BF14-CFA3D8DB3941@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100814210411.GB5111@n0jcf.net>

On Saturday (08/14/2010 at 03:40PM -0500), Don Robert House wrote:
> ROGER YOUR LAST
> 
[...]
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS

Looks like your 'P' key is broken Don  ;-)

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Aug 14 17:57:44 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:57:44 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 Video Just Uploaded
Message-ID: <4C66E728.110.29B8689@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I just finished getting the ASR-33 running with the 
Telebyte M54A, and have uploaded a short video to YouTube 
at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w2Rglirhlk

I will be trying to improve the quality of the video, but 
in the mean time, you can see it running...

Dave


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The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 14 17:58:25 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:58:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TEST DE K0TTY
In-Reply-To: <20100814210411.GB5111@n0jcf.net>
References: <000901cb3b22$8b9a6770$a2cf3650$@net>
	<68AE0E7B-852B-4347-BF14-CFA3D8DB3941@gmail.com>
	<20100814210411.GB5111@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <1FF59553-D17C-4386-A446-B3F2EC4151C8@gmail.com>

JUST MY BRAIN AND FINGERS HAVE ARGUMENTS!

Don


On 14 Aug 2010, at 4:04 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote:

On Saturday (08/14/2010 at 03:40PM -0500), Don Robert House wrote:
> ROGER YOUR LAST
>
[...]
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY  
> SENDS
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY  
> SENDS
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY  
> SENDS

Looks like your 'P' key is broken Don  ;-)

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From rlaag at pacbell.net  Sat Aug 14 18:50:08 2010
From: rlaag at pacbell.net (Robert Laag)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:50:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TEST DE K0TTY
In-Reply-To: <68AE0E7B-852B-4347-BF14-CFA3D8DB3941@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <965481.57115.qm@web180414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*U*


DE BOB? WA6ISG

--- On Sat, 8/14/10, Don Robert House <packard42 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Don Robert House <packard42 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TEST DE K0TTY
To: "Jack" <wa2hwj at att.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 1:40 PM

ROGER YOUR LAST

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS
RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMED OVER A LAZY DOG'S BACK 1234567890 K9TTY SENDS

DON K9TTY
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Aug 14 18:51:35 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:51:35 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Updated Video ASR-33, new address!
Message-ID: <4C66F3C7.32153.2CCD381@dhunter.islandregister.com>

My original video was accidentally shot in reduced size 
mode. I have replaced it with a full size video with the 
result that this one is much less pixellated. The 
description is as follows:

Model ASR-33 Teletype at the Telephone Museum of Prince 
Edward Island. First Test using a Telebyte M65A interface - 
higher quality video. Still needing some adjustment. 
Machine donated by Catherine Filmore two weeks ago. 
Machines in the museum, Model 28 ASR, KSR-33, ASR-33, 
Fairchild Teletypesetter Standard Perforator, and AN/UGC-
504 (same as US AN/UGC-136AX) terminal/printer aside, from 
of course, phones, phones, and more phones! Settings for 
Telebyte interface: Full Duplex, Active. Teletype: 110 
baud, 2 stop bits, word length 8, parity, even.

New Video link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp8ayKnANRQ

Dave



The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
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The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Aug 14 20:37:49 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:37:49 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Commedy of Errors! Re: Final ASR-33 Video!
Message-ID: <4C670CAD.865.32E14F7@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I promise I won't post this again tonight. I accidentally 
posted a smaller video than I intended a few minutes back. 
So this updated video will be viewable by the time you get 
this message. It will take about an hour to upload, but the 
upload will be complete then. This one shows the machine 
operating cover closed for a while, then cover open, then 
finally pans over to the Telebyte M65A loop converter.

As with the last one, it is much higher res than the first. 
After a couple of days, I will delete the first two, 
leaving only this one, as it is by far the best.

Settings for Telebyte interface: Full Duplex, Active. 
Teletype: 110 baud, 2 stop bits, word length 8, parity, 
even.

This video is 217 mb in size and runs for 2 minutes, 1 
second.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTzvpYumQs

Forgive the false starts - still getting used to YouTube!

Dave

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From packard42 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 00:20:16 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:20:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Perforator parts available
Message-ID: <C1F8C124-4F2F-4940-905F-C14C539978A4@gmail.com>

If you are in need for parts for a Wheatstone perforator.

Paul Cembura has some.  You can contact him at: mr_rtty at pacbell.net

From steveripper at comcast.net  Sun Aug 15 10:42:53 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:42:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question About Heavy Metal, Version 2.4?
Message-ID: <001e01cb3c88$258d57f0$70a807d0$@net>

Dave:

 

Did you solve the Baudot to ASCII conversion problem using Heavy Metal
2.4???

 

Or are you printing some other ACSII files from your computer to the ASR 33
in the video.

 

PS: Nice to see the parts I sent you in action.

 

Cheers,

 

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sun Aug 15 12:59:57 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:59:57 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question About Heavy Metal, Versio
Message-ID: <4C67F2DD.1617.1D46C90@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Steve and all::

On 15 Aug 2010 at 10:42, Steve Ripper wrote:

> Did you solve the Baudot to ASCII conversion problem using
> Heavy Metal 2.4???

I am sending this to the list so all can see the solution 
to the  HM problem.... It was my fault - I had the word 
length set to seven. I changed the word length to 8, and 
all was well, including the screen display of characters, 
oddly. What I was printing out was Today in History...

Actually, HM will print to ascii no problem - just a matter
of setting the correct word length. As someone pointed out,
the text started out on the net as ascii, therefore, it
really didn't need to do any conversion.

Worked well, as you can see. The machine is a bit noisier
than it should be, reason being the foam mat that goes 
under the printer had totally disintegrated, and will be 
replaced when I can find some foam the same thickness. I am 
sure a while back, I saw some around here I could cut a new 
piece from.

What is odd to me is it ACTUALLY got quieter when the top
was opened. I guess the noise wasn't reverberating around 
as much then!

> PS: Nice to see the parts I sent you in action.

You, and several others on the list. Some of the parts I 
got from you were actually used on the KSR-33 also. I did 
save the new Platen and printer top for this one, and also
changed its cover (of course print hammer bumper and
ribbon)..

It sure is nice having it able to be demonstrated ither 
than by typing into it. Just a matter of getting the time 
to play with the interfacing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTzvpYumQs

Thanks to all,

Dave

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From k8ary at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 15 14:16:19 2010
From: k8ary at yahoo.com (Jim Plummer)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Surplus TTY Equipment
Message-ID: <961040.68553.qm@web53705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have a Western Union 28 ASR, a ?typing reperforator (with manuals), and a 
28?TD (with manuals)?to let go to a new home.? I plan to relocate?and don't want 
to?move these if I don't have to.?? I?picked them up to rebuild a while back, 
but other projects continually seem to take priority.??If anyone is interested, 
please contact me directly.

de Jim - K8ARY


      

From Til128 at aol.com  Sun Aug 15 17:51:28 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:51:28 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Perforator parts available
Message-ID: <3e6af.37c1b8d7.3999bb60@aol.com>

If you need part #'s, I have the parts manual to  make it easy on Paul.
Also have description &  adjustments.

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
HeavyMetal
LL TTY  


From jdc at ntelos.net  Sun Aug 15 17:55:54 2010
From: jdc at ntelos.net (Daryl Cline)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:55:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] test de w4yex
Message-ID: <201008152156.o7FLuJlQ014720@mailrtr02.ntelos.net>

Hi Guys. Rejoined after a few years off for medical. Hope to start 
back refurbishing the model 19.






J. Daryl Cline WB4YEX <><
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From iamvirtual at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 19:53:17 2010
From: iamvirtual at gmail.com (B M)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:53:17 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 Manual Reader
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim4mF9FNag30YfNrpeitaR0LjYmBoPPKzKvk+gY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim4mF9FNag30YfNrpeitaR0LjYmBoPPKzKvk+gY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4redSnRE76FLHTO4gc1t-SujyK5Qo1xR9fWAn@mail.gmail.com>

I am a little further getting the tape reader to work on my ASR33.

It turns out that the fuse was the cause of the problem.  The original
fuse (1/2A) was burnt out, but  I only had 1/4A fuses on hand.  It
turns out 1/4A is not heavy enough.  The power pack apparently needs a
heavier fuse.  The schematics indicate that the fuse is 3/4A for newer
units.  Older units could have 1/2A, but should be replaced with 3/4A.
 Once the fuse was replaced with the proper rating, the reader now
generates data and advances the paper tape.

At the moment, I know the printer and tape punch is working correctly.
 In local mode, the tape has the correct ASCII values for the keys I
pressed.

The reader seems to be generating a constant hex value 5 for the most
significant 4 bits.  The least significant 4 bits are correct.

For example, a space (hex 20) when read from tape gives a 'P' (hex
50).  A 'T' (hex 54) gives a 'T' (hex 54), but a 'H'  (hex 48) gives a
'X' (hex 58).

I am now looking into the contact wires in the reader.

Thanks to all who have provided information to get me to this point.

--barrym

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am looking into why the paper tape is not working on my ASR33. ?I am
> having a little trouble following the schematic. ?Since the reader is
> manual, the reader power pack has a part number of 183087. ?On the
> connector, there is a switch described as the 'Reader Feed Contact".
> The switch is connected between Pin 3 and Pin 9 on the connector. ?I
> was assuming this would be the 'Start/Free' switch on the reader. ?Pin
> 3 is a Brown/Green wire and Pin 9 is White/Black wire. ?I can see the
> White/Black wire on the reader, but I don't see where the Brown/Green
> wire goes. ?Putting the Start/Free switch in 'Start' does not give
> continuity between Pin 3 and Pin 9. ?I do have tape in the reader
> (just in case the feed switch is the paper tape out switch).
>
> When plugged in, putting the reader switch in 'Start' mode immediately
> causes the fuse on the reader power pack to blow. ?I am wondering if
> the mechanism is jammed leading to increased current draw. ?I did not
> remove the reader to clean it, but I did oil & grease the best I
> could. ?I am looking through the reader maintenance documentation to
> figure out the mechanical mechanism. ?Any hints on how the reader
> advances the drive wheel?
>
> Thanks for any information!
>
> --barrym
>

From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon Aug 16 07:40:02 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:40:02 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Telebyte M65A and ASR-33
Message-ID: <4C68F962.7747.7DB1DB@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I have been asked to, and will put an overview of hooking 
up an ASR-33 teletype using a telebyte M65A interface on my 
page.

I will show the exact terminal strip connections on both 
the Telebyte and on the ASR-33. It will likely due to other 
comittments, take me about a week. 

For the time being:

Connections to the teletype go to the terminal strip on the 
back of the teletype power supply. I use 2 pair telephone 
cable.

TTY terminal strip: 3 4 6 7
Telebyte 65A: G C+ G K+

Settings for Telebyte interface: Full Duplex, Active. 
DTE/DCE will only work in one position. I will have to 
confirm which position I left it in.

If using Heavy Metal to feed, set it to: Teletype: 110 
baud, 2 stop bits, word length 8, parity even.

I will go over my machine to confirm all these settings 
after this coming weekend and post this information to my 
page, including a shot of the teletype terminal strip with 
the connections made, and a photo of the Telebyte switch 
settings. 

With some machines, such as my computer, you will require a 
DB25 pin female to DB9 pin female adapter or cable to 
connect the M65A to your computer. If you are fortunate 
enough to have the RS-232 of your computer brought out in 
25 pin, the Telebyte will attach directly. These 
cables/adaptors are available on eBay for a few dollars. 
Just make certain that you get a female to female adaptor.

I have ordered one of these, but for the time being am 
using a DB25 pin male to DB9 pin female cable with a gender 
changer on the male end.

As you can see, it works!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTzvpYumQs

Dave


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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon Aug 16 08:14:31 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:14:31 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Telebyte M65A and ASR-33
In-Reply-To: <4C68F962.7747.7DB1DB@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C68F962.7747.7DB1DB@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4C690177.12134.9D44EC@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Note also:

Don't forget to set Heavy Metal for Ascii under 
config/Code.

Dave

On 16 Aug 2010 at 8:40, Dave Hunter wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> I have been asked to, and will put an overview of hooking up
> an ASR-33 teletype using a telebyte M65A interface on my
> page.
> 
> I will show the exact terminal strip connections on both the
> Telebyte and on the ASR-33. It will likely due to other
> comittments, take me about a week. 
> 
> For the time being:
> 
> Connections to the teletype go to the terminal strip on the
> back of the teletype power supply. I use 2 pair telephone
> cable.
> 
> TTY terminal strip: 3 4 6 7
> Telebyte 65A: G C+ G K+
> 
> Settings for Telebyte interface: Full Duplex, Active. 
> DTE/DCE will only work in one position. I will have to
> confirm which position I left it in.
> 
> If using Heavy Metal to feed, set it to: Teletype: 110 baud,
> 2 stop bits, word length 8, parity even.
> 
> I will go over my machine to confirm all these settings
> after this coming weekend and post this information to my
> page, including a shot of the teletype terminal strip with
> the connections made, and a photo of the Telebyte switch
> settings. 
> 
> With some machines, such as my computer, you will require a
> DB25 pin female to DB9 pin female adapter or cable to
> connect the M65A to your computer. If you are fortunate
> enough to have the RS-232 of your computer brought out in 25
> pin, the Telebyte will attach directly. These
> cables/adaptors are available on eBay for a few dollars.
> Just make certain that you get a female to female adaptor.
> 
> I have ordered one of these, but for the time being am using
> a DB25 pin male to DB9 pin female cable with a gender
> changer on the male end.
> 
> As you can see, it works!
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTzvpYumQs
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html
> 
> The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
> Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!
> 
> 
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From legalize at xmission.com  Mon Aug 16 12:24:33 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:24:33 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
Message-ID: <E1Ol2UD-0008Rg-TR@shell.xmission.com>

Does anyone have one of these?

Its an interesting beast because its basically a CRT terminal and has
support for local storage with an optional tape drive.

I've been able to get a tape drive, but not the main unit.  I'd love
to see some nice pictures of one, I've only been able to find crappy
low-res ebay auction pictures so far.
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From nicktusa at aol.com  Mon Aug 16 14:34:42 2010
From: nicktusa at aol.com (nicktusa at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:34:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Opa
Message-ID: <8CD0B88D3DF5A22-1674-1A4A7@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>

http://peppi42140.tefginsino.com/


From dmm at lemur.com  Mon Aug 16 15:46:03 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:46:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Teletype Model 40
Message-ID: <201008161940.CZL72998@rg6.cniteam.com>


Richard asks
>Does anyone have one of these? [Model 40]

There's an item on ebay now which is listed as:
"NEW AT&T TELETYPE TELEPRINTER MODEL 40 DATASPEED TTY"
It looks like the internals of a printer, without case.

Item: 270617681049

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

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       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold



From legalize at xmission.com  Mon Aug 16 15:46:57 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:46:57 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:46:03 -0500.
	<201008161940.CZL72998@rg6.cniteam.com> 
Message-ID: <E1Ol5e5-0005ux-O4@shell.xmission.com>


In article <201008161940.CZL72998 at rg6.cniteam.com>,
    dmm at lemur.com  writes:

> 
> Richard asks
> >Does anyone have one of these? [Model 40]
> 
> There's an item on ebay now which is listed as:
> "NEW AT&T TELETYPE TELEPRINTER MODEL 40 DATASPEED TTY"
> It looks like the internals of a printer, without case.
> 
> Item: 270617681049

Looks nice and clean, but what am I gonna do with it unless I have an
existing model 40 that needs a new printing assembly? :-/
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From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Aug 16 18:51:52 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:51:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
In-Reply-To: <E1Ol5e5-0005ux-O4@shell.xmission.com>
References: Your message of Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:46:03
	-0500.	<201008161940.CZL72998@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<E1Ol5e5-0005ux-O4@shell.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cb3d95$9e484930$dad8db90$@net>

BEWARE!!!!

This Model 40 "tractor feed" printer does not have the
required "type carrier" belt which contains all of the
type pallets. These belts are difficult to find in
usable condition. Teletype apparently used a plastic
material that deteriorates (sound familiar?), turning
the belt into a sticky mess. Even if brand new, they
go bad. 

Also, without the cabinet, it would be difficult to make
connections to the printer. Finally, the circuit board
that drives the printer hammers had a lot of problems
and spares will be as hard to find as a good type
carrier belt.

Otherwise, it's a fine machine... 

Jack K0TTY

NNNN





-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:47 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40


In article <201008161940.CZL72998 at rg6.cniteam.com>,
    dmm at lemur.com  writes:

> 
> Richard asks
> >Does anyone have one of these? [Model 40]
> 
> There's an item on ebay now which is listed as:
> "NEW AT&T TELETYPE TELEPRINTER MODEL 40 DATASPEED TTY"
> It looks like the internals of a printer, without case.
> 
> Item: 270617681049

Looks nice and clean, but what am I gonna do with it unless I have an
existing model 40 that needs a new printing assembly? :-/
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 16 19:40:21 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:40:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
In-Reply-To: <E1Ol5e5-0005ux-O4@shell.xmission.com>
References: <E1Ol5e5-0005ux-O4@shell.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008161839540.3390@localhost>

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:

>>
>> Item: 270617681049
>
> Looks nice and clean, but what am I gonna do with it unless I have an
> existing model 40 that needs a new printing assembly? :-/
> -- 
Usually a Model 40 printer is usable as a stand alone printer.


From schlae at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 19:49:28 2010
From: schlae at gmail.com (Eric Schlaepfer)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:49:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union Automatic Message Numbering Machine
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksf5SHFJ6o426RQ-_T5KmTNTzi8_TnT5sZw8NC@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone have information on a Western Union Automatic Message Numbering
Machine 11-A? It's an interesting piece of electromechanical gear I recently
acquired, and it generates Baudot in a specific sequence:

1) NUL
2) NUL
3) LF
4) CR
5) LTRS
6) LTRS
7) LTRS
8) FIGS
9) Hundreds digit of counter
10) Tens digit of counter
11) Ones digit of counter
12) NUL

Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tubetime/4899089447/ and here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tubetime/4899681300/in/photostream.

Every time you go through the whole 12-step cycle it increments the counter
(which are the large black Geneva mechanisms you can see in the photos).

I think it might have been used to add a sequence number to a line or
message. It looks like it is supposed to be mounted in a rack with similar
gear.

Any information would be appreciated. If anyone wants the schematic I have
reverse engineered that too.

--Eric

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 16 22:06:41 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:06:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union Automatic Message Numbering Machine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksf5SHFJ6o426RQ-_T5KmTNTzi8_TnT5sZw8NC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiksf5SHFJ6o426RQ-_T5KmTNTzi8_TnT5sZw8NC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008162057130.3810@localhost>

That's quite a find.  Those were used in W.U. Plan 21-A automatic 
switching system which went into service in the late 1940s.  The system
is written up in a series of issues of Western Union Technical Review,
which is available online (Google for it)  Ordinarily they transmitted
a three-letter circuit identification followed by the number, e.g.
NSB041

For some reason they apparently didn't make any more of those, and then
went to a design using stepping switches.  Western Union Technical
Review 8:4 p. 135.  Seems like the stepping switch design would have
been a lot more costly, considering how much wiring it involves.  But
the writer says the reason was to get lower first cost and get greater
flexibility.




From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 16 22:19:42 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:19:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] SPAM ALERT!!!! ->   Opa
In-Reply-To: <8CD0B88D3DF5A22-1674-1A4A7@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD0B88D3DF5A22-1674-1A4A7@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C69F1BE.4030807@bellsouth.net>

nicktusa at aol.com wrote:

the link is to spam...


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From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Aug 16 23:48:56 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:48:56 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 33 ASR on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000701cb3cc6$b0d177e0$0adc3542@thedave>
References: <FF7D2A42-93FF-47CC-BA77-A92914BC1656@dls.net>
	<000701cb34bb$47833160$bfd43542@thedave>
	<D902CE74-9460-436F-87D8-FCBDF3EA9F25@dls.net>
	<000d01cb36a9$1a72dfa0$abd33542@thedave>
	<7AE77E5D-2885-4D7A-AEBE-0B1F247433F4@dls.net>
	<000701cb3cc6$b0d177e0$0adc3542@thedave>
Message-ID: <F9016AC0-F106-4C2F-88DF-CA1325CBF6BF@dls.net>

EEEGADS... That has to be the only remaining 33ASR without faded  
plastic.
I have not seen one of those since 1970.  I hope it has the reader  
power supply,
or the new owner will not be happy!

Don


On 15 Aug 2010, at 5:10 PM, Liz/Dave wrote:

Hi Don,

A NOS 33ASR sold last night on eBay.  I thought you would enjoy seeing  
what
it sold for:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190427439755

Dave


From legalize at xmission.com  Tue Aug 17 12:45:34 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:45:34 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:40:21 -0500.
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1008161839540.3390@localhost> 
Message-ID: <E1OlPI6-0007g3-EF@shell.xmission.com>


In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008161839540.3390 at localhost>,
    Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>  writes:

> >> Item: 270617681049
> >
> > Looks nice and clean, but what am I gonna do with it unless I have an
> > existing model 40 that needs a new printing assembly? :-/
> > -- 
> Usually a Model 40 printer is usable as a stand alone printer.

But this isn't the whole printer, its just an assembly that goes
inside the printer.  Granted, it looks like most of the necessary
works, but its still useless by itself unless you just want to stick
it in a glass case and go "ooooh!  shiny!".
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From legalize at xmission.com  Tue Aug 17 12:46:27 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:46:27 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:51:52 -0500.
	<000c01cb3d95$9e484930$dad8db90$@net> 
Message-ID: <E1OlPIx-0007vr-Nv@shell.xmission.com>


In article <000c01cb3d95$9e484930$dad8db90$@net>,
    "Jack" <wa2hwj at att.net>  writes:

> Otherwise, it's a fine machine... 

Sounds like one of those "fine machines" that has lots of reasons why
they are hard to find anymore :-).
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From Til128 at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 13:17:16 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:17:16 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Project
Message-ID: <8422a.5ed0131f.399c1e1c@aol.com>

Hi all:

I am trying to complete my Send-Receive Reperforator  project.
I am missing one item for this project.
I am in need of a base/keyboard unit (LTRK:1 OR LTPK:1)
This does not  have to have a motor installed.
Any help in locating one would be  appreciated.
(Paul in CA does not have one.)
Thanks in advance,

73,
Tom  Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
HeavyMetal
LL TTY
 

From Til128 at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 13:21:38 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:21:38 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Opa
Message-ID: <84725.7a6e37e7.399c1f22@aol.com>

I would like to strongly suggest anyone with an  "AOL" account, that you 
change your password on a regular basis .A while ago ,  someone/thing hacked 
into my account and was sending spam in my name in the same  way that showed 
up here recently.


73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
HeavyMetal
LL TTY  


From radioham at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 17 13:39:57 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:39:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
Message-ID: <p06240838c890798b7368@[10.0.1.198]>

What are people using for oil and grease these days.  30 years age I 
had genuine teletype stuff but that is long gone.

M15 and 28 stuff

David

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 17 14:08:44 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:08:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <p06240838c890798b7368@[10.0.1.198]>
References: <p06240838c890798b7368@[10.0.1.198]>
Message-ID: <4C6AD02C.2000608@bellsouth.net>

David Christ wrote:
> What are people using for oil and grease these days.  30 years age I 
> had genuine teletype stuff but that is long gone.
>   
Speaking strictly for myself -
Oil is just plain 3-in-1 oil, lots of it and often. Probably not the 
best - but lots and often ensure it's doing it's job, any getting 
"thick" or such is flushed out, etc.

Grease - see the following:
<http://comcents.com/tty/tty4.html>


best regards...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 17 14:47:16 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:47:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Opa
Message-ID: <17963905.1282070836214.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>




-----Original Message-----
>From: Til128 at aol.com
>Sent: Aug 17, 2010 12:21 PM
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Opa
>
>I would like to strongly suggest anyone with an  "AOL" account, that you 
>change your password on a regular basis .A while ago ,  someone/thing hacked 
>into my account and was sending spam in my name in the same  way that showed 
>up here recently.
>

However they don't have to break into your account to do that - if they just have
your email address they can use that to forge the From: address of outgoing emails.


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 17 14:59:15 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:59:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
Message-ID: <15828740.1282071555352.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>




-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy and Sherry Guttery <comcents at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM
>To: David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com>
>Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
>  
>Speaking strictly for myself -
>Oil is just plain 3-in-1 oil, lots of it and often. Probably not the 
>best - but lots and often ensure it's doing it's job, any getting 
>"thick" or such is flushed out, etc.
>
This is a neverending topic of discussion in this group.  If you're going
to use 3-in-1 I would suggest their oil for "large motors" that comes in a
blue and white can rather than the red, white and black can.  It's 20 weight.

I once used 30 weight oil, and it seemed to be a little too thick for things
like Model 15 selectors where the parts have to move fast.

I've taken apart some Model 14 selectors on Western Union machines and found a
green varnish-like substance on the separator plates causing the selector to
misbehave.  I don't know what W.U. was using for a lubricant, but Real Teletype
oil was not supposed to cause that stuff to form.


From jcwilson at ida.net  Tue Aug 17 15:22:39 2010
From: jcwilson at ida.net (John Wilson k0ip)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:22:39 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 79, Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <mailman.115.1282060898.15904.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.115.1282060898.15904.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C6AE17F.2010906@ida.net>

I would also comment , that it appears the Circuit board is not present 
in the bottom of the ebay printer
k0ip

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>       (Eric Schlaepfer)
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>   10. Re: 33 ASR on eBay (Don Robert House)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:24:33 -0600
> From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <E1Ol2UD-0008Rg-TR at shell.xmission.com>
>
> Does anyone have one of these?
>
> Its an interesting beast because its basically a CRT terminal and has
> support for local storage with an optional tape drive.
>
> I've been able to get a tape drive, but not the main unit.  I'd love
> to see some nice pictures of one, I've only been able to find crappy
> low-res ebay auction pictures so far.
>   

From jcwilson at ida.net  Tue Aug 17 15:20:52 2010
From: jcwilson at ida.net (John Wilson k0ip)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:20:52 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 79, Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <mailman.115.1282060898.15904.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.115.1282060898.15904.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C6AE114.90500@ida.net>

Model 40 on ebay,  is a 80 column Tractor feed printer. HOWEVER,  one
very important part is missing .. "THE TYPE BELT"
I Still have 4 or 5 model 40,   132 Column Tractor feed printers (NEW) I 
will give them away. with the Cabinets.
however, you need to pick them up.  Or You arrange all shipping, I will 
deliver them to a truck company, as they really
need to be transported on a pallet ..      They are complete.
k0ip

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>       (Eric Schlaepfer)
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> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:24:33 -0600
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>
> Does anyone have one of these?
>
> Its an interesting beast because its basically a CRT terminal and has
> support for local storage with an optional tape drive.
>
> I've been able to get a tape drive, but not the main unit.  I'd love
> to see some nice pictures of one, I've only been able to find crappy
> low-res ebay auction pictures so far.
>   

From radioham at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 17 16:19:46 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:19:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <15828740.1282071555352.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <15828740.1282071555352.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p0624083bc89092510b80@[10.0.1.198]>

I agree on the 3-in-1.  My wife has an uncle who has repaired sewing 
machines for decades.  Some manufacturers would void the warrantee if 
you used the then common 3-in-1. It had a tendency to get gummy. 
Whether it is true now I don't know, but it was rumored that the 
original 3-in-1 had a vegetable rather than a petroleum base.

David

At 1:59 PM -0500 8/17/10, Jim Haynes wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Randy and Sherry Guttery <comcents at bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM
>>To: David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com>
>>Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
>> 
>>Speaking strictly for myself -
>>Oil is just plain 3-in-1 oil, lots of it and often. Probably not the
>>best - but lots and often ensure it's doing it's job, any getting
>>"thick" or such is flushed out, etc.
>>
>This is a neverending topic of discussion in this group.  If you're going
>to use 3-in-1 I would suggest their oil for "large motors" that comes in a
>blue and white can rather than the red, white and black can.  It's 20 weight.
>
>I once used 30 weight oil, and it seemed to be a little too thick for things
>like Model 15 selectors where the parts have to move fast.
>
>I've taken apart some Model 14 selectors on Western Union machines and found a
>green varnish-like substance on the separator plates causing the selector to
>misbehave.  I don't know what W.U. was using for a lubricant, but 
>Real Teletype
>oil was not supposed to cause that stuff to form.


From bmarx at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 17 16:28:23 2010
From: bmarx at bellsouth.net (Bill)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:28:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <p0624083bc89092510b80@[10.0.1.198]>
References: <15828740.1282071555352.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<p0624083bc89092510b80@[10.0.1.198]>
Message-ID: <4C6AF0E7.2060301@bellsouth.net>

Mineral Oil?



On 8/17/2010 4:19 PM, David Christ wrote:
> I agree on the 3-in-1.  My wife has an uncle who has repaired sewing
> machines for decades.  Some manufacturers would void the warrantee if
> you used the then common 3-in-1. It had a tendency to get gummy.
> Whether it is true now I don't know, but it was rumored that the
> original 3-in-1 had a vegetable rather than a petroleum base.
>
> David
>
> At 1:59 PM -0500 8/17/10, Jim Haynes wrote:
>    
>> -----Original Message-----
>>      
>>> From: Randy and Sherry Guttery<comcents at bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM
>>> To: David Christ<radioham at mchsi.com>
>>> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
>>>
>>> Speaking strictly for myself -
>>> Oil is just plain 3-in-1 oil, lots of it and often. Probably not the
>>> best - but lots and often ensure it's doing it's job, any getting
>>> "thick" or such is flushed out, etc.
>>>
>>>        
>> This is a neverending topic of discussion in this group.  If you're going
>> to use 3-in-1 I would suggest their oil for "large motors" that comes in a
>> blue and white can rather than the red, white and black can.  It's 20 weight.
>>
>> I once used 30 weight oil, and it seemed to be a little too thick for things
>> like Model 15 selectors where the parts have to move fast.
>>
>> I've taken apart some Model 14 selectors on Western Union machines and found a
>> green varnish-like substance on the separator plates causing the selector to
>> misbehave.  I don't know what W.U. was using for a lubricant, but
>> Real Teletype
>> oil was not supposed to cause that stuff to form.
>>      
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 16:35:30 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:35:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 33 ASR on eBay
In-Reply-To: <F9016AC0-F106-4C2F-88DF-CA1325CBF6BF@dls.net>
References: <FF7D2A42-93FF-47CC-BA77-A92914BC1656@dls.net><000701cb34bb$47833160$bfd43542@thedave><D902CE74-9460-436F-87D8-FCBDF3EA9F25@dls.net><000d01cb36a9$1a72dfa0$abd33542@thedave><7AE77E5D-2885-4D7A-AEBE-0B1F247433F4@dls.net><000701cb3cc6$b0d177e0$0adc3542@thedave>
	<F9016AC0-F106-4C2F-88DF-CA1325CBF6BF@dls.net>
Message-ID: <8CD0C62DE23A8F1-1100-2CCD@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>


Wow, this machine may be new.  Its sitting on the gray fiberboard that Teletype used to ship them on.  Also the same masking tape holding the lid etc.  Maybe never used.  

Wayne










-----Original Message-----
From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 33 ASR on eBay


EEEGADS... That has to be the only remaining 33ASR without faded  
lastic.
 have not seen one of those since 1970.  I hope it has the reader  
ower supply,
r the new owner will not be happy!
Don

n 15 Aug 2010, at 5:10 PM, Liz/Dave wrote:
Hi Don,
A NOS 33ASR sold last night on eBay.  I thought you would enjoy seeing  
hat
t sold for:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190427439755
Dave
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 16:41:09 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:41:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 33 ASR on eBay
In-Reply-To: <F9016AC0-F106-4C2F-88DF-CA1325CBF6BF@dls.net>
References: <FF7D2A42-93FF-47CC-BA77-A92914BC1656@dls.net><000701cb34bb$47833160$bfd43542@thedave><D902CE74-9460-436F-87D8-FCBDF3EA9F25@dls.net><000d01cb36a9$1a72dfa0$abd33542@thedave><7AE77E5D-2885-4D7A-AEBE-0B1F247433F4@dls.net><000701cb3cc6$b0d177e0$0adc3542@thedave>
	<F9016AC0-F106-4C2F-88DF-CA1325CBF6BF@dls.net>
Message-ID: <8CD0C63A75675B7-1100-2E15@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>


The machine also has a one piece cover, so likely the reader PS is in the UCC-6.

Very nice machine.  

Wayne










-----Original Message-----
From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 33 ASR on eBay


EEEGADS... That has to be the only remaining 33ASR without faded  
lastic.
 have not seen one of those since 1970.  I hope it has the reader  
ower supply,
r the new owner will not be happy!
Don

n 15 Aug 2010, at 5:10 PM, Liz/Dave wrote:
Hi Don,
A NOS 33ASR sold last night on eBay.  I thought you would enjoy seeing  
hat
t sold for:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190427439755
Dave
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From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Tue Aug 17 18:11:53 2010
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:11:53 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] someone needs to tell this guy about the ASR33 on eBay
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVsC092h7pk-hHWODAWG2rt8xrRRN82tPzL0jF@mail.gmail.com>

it looks pretty nice to me,?especially?for FREE!

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/zip/1902268480.html

George, that's near you I believe, but I think your wife will kill you
if you drag home another puppy from the pound.

From legalize at xmission.com  Tue Aug 17 18:30:59 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:30:59 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] someone needs to tell this guy about the ASR33 on
	eBay
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:11:53 -0600.
	<AANLkTikVsC092h7pk-hHWODAWG2rt8xrRRN82tPzL0jF@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <E1OlUgN-0002kC-7u@shell.xmission.com>


In article <AANLkTikVsC092h7pk-hHWODAWG2rt8xrRRN82tPzL0jF at mail.gmail.com>,
    Bryan Brodie <greenkeys at vaporland.com>  writes:

> it looks pretty nice to me, especially for FREE!
> 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/zip/1902268480.html
> 
> George, that's near you I believe, but I think your wife will kill you
> if you drag home another puppy from the pound.

ASR33s in this sort of shape regularly go for a few hundred plus
shipping on ebay.  (I've been paying attention.)
-- 
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From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 19:41:11 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:41:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <4C6AF0E7.2060301@bellsouth.net>
References: <15828740.1282071555352.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<p0624083bc89092510b80@10.0.1.198> <4C6AF0E7.2060301@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhWPoRjCP6nDHLadnQAMOObSSHp7DUy69TGDMG@mail.gmail.com>

The formula consists of pale spindle oil with a small amount of
corrosion inhibitor and citronella oil

if you can believe Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-In-One_Oil



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Bill <bmarx at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Mineral Oil?
>
>
>
> On 8/17/2010 4:19 PM, David Christ wrote:
>> I agree on the 3-in-1. ?My wife has an uncle who has repaired sewing
>> machines for decades. ?Some manufacturers would void the warrantee if
>> you used the then common 3-in-1. It had a tendency to get gummy.
>> Whether it is true now I don't know, but it was rumored that the
>> original 3-in-1 had a vegetable rather than a petroleum base.
>>
>> David
>>
>> At 1:59 PM -0500 8/17/10, Jim Haynes wrote:
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Randy and Sherry Guttery<comcents at bellsouth.net>
>>>> Sent: Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM
>>>> To: David Christ<radioham at mchsi.com>
>>>> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
>>>>
>>>> Speaking strictly for myself -
>>>> Oil is just plain 3-in-1 oil, lots of it and often. Probably not the
>>>> best - but lots and often ensure it's doing it's job, any getting
>>>> "thick" or such is flushed out, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is a neverending topic of discussion in this group. ?If you're going
>>> to use 3-in-1 I would suggest their oil for "large motors" that comes in a
>>> blue and white can rather than the red, white and black can. ?It's 20 weight.
>>>
>>> I once used 30 weight oil, and it seemed to be a little too thick for things
>>> like Model 15 selectors where the parts have to move fast.
>>>
>>> I've taken apart some Model 14 selectors on Western Union machines and found a
>>> green varnish-like substance on the separator plates causing the selector to
>>> misbehave. ?I don't know what W.U. was using for a lubricant, but
>>> Real Teletype
>>> oil was not supposed to cause that stuff to form.
>>>
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From larryradio at att.net  Tue Aug 17 19:47:59 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:47:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
References: <15828740.1282071555352.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net><p0624083bc89092510b80@10.0.1.198>
	<4C6AF0E7.2060301@bellsouth.net>
	<AANLkTikhWPoRjCP6nDHLadnQAMOObSSHp7DUy69TGDMG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFDD68FD5249477C85E64130F2F8133C@d2400>

FWIW, I've used stringy axle grease where applicable and non-detergent 10W30 
with no problems.  Lithium was a big disappointment....got dry and rather 
useless.

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Lancashire" <xyzzypdx at gmail.com>
To: "greenkeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication


> The formula consists of pale spindle oil with a small amount of
> corrosion inhibitor and citronella oil
>
> if you can believe Wikipedia
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-In-One_Oil
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Bill <bmarx at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Mineral Oil?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/17/2010 4:19 PM, David Christ wrote:
>>> I agree on the 3-in-1. My wife has an uncle who has repaired sewing
>>> machines for decades. Some manufacturers would void the warrantee if
>>> you used the then common 3-in-1. It had a tendency to get gummy.
>>> Whether it is true now I don't know, but it was rumored that the
>>> original 3-in-1 had a vegetable rather than a petroleum base.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> At 1:59 PM -0500 8/17/10, Jim Haynes wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>> From: Randy and Sherry Guttery<comcents at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM
>>>>> To: David Christ<radioham at mchsi.com>
>>>>> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking strictly for myself -
>>>>> Oil is just plain 3-in-1 oil, lots of it and often. Probably not the
>>>>> best - but lots and often ensure it's doing it's job, any getting
>>>>> "thick" or such is flushed out, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This is a neverending topic of discussion in this group. If you're 
>>>> going
>>>> to use 3-in-1 I would suggest their oil for "large motors" that comes 
>>>> in a
>>>> blue and white can rather than the red, white and black can. It's 20 
>>>> weight.
>>>>
>>>> I once used 30 weight oil, and it seemed to be a little too thick for 
>>>> things
>>>> like Model 15 selectors where the parts have to move fast.
>>>>
>>>> I've taken apart some Model 14 selectors on Western Union machines and 
>>>> found a
>>>> green varnish-like substance on the separator plates causing the 
>>>> selector to
>>>> misbehave. I don't know what W.U. was using for a lubricant, but
>>>> Real Teletype
>>>> oil was not supposed to cause that stuff to form.
>>>>
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From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 20:28:23 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:28:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] someone needs to tell this guy about the ASR33 on
	eBay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVsC092h7pk-hHWODAWG2rt8xrRRN82tPzL0jF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsC092h7pk-hHWODAWG2rt8xrRRN82tPzL0jF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin57fV03iZC=Vzn-RZ1-9ysOQBMYhHA_J2=V2L+@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all here's the story on the 33

Just brought it home a couple hours ago.

It's been dropped but not that bad, my call dropped on the left side. The paper
roller is basically jammed. Rotated the motor by hand and did a full main shaft
rotation and plugged it in, runs ok but as usual oil's dried out.

I got it to save it the seller was going to trash it. Sometime this
winter, I'm going to
have to thin out now that there's a ASR35 in the family. When I do
I'll let the list know
and more interesting in trading then selling. What will go will prob
be the three KSR33's
one with a stand. Sadly no ASR's and for now all three with issues. The one with
the stand is frozen.

Been a strange summer, for 5 or 6 years not a single Teletype has
shown up here and
now four of them in 5 months. Must be that screwed up jet-stream.

-pete



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bryan Brodie <greenkeys at vaporland.com> wrote:
> it looks pretty nice to me,?especially?for FREE!
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/zip/1902268480.html
>
> George, that's near you I believe, but I think your wife will kill you
> if you drag home another puppy from the pound.
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From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Tue Aug 17 21:14:39 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:14:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 7096
Message-ID: <4C6B33FF.1020306@roadrunner.com>

  Just now I heard on 7096 a very harsh-sounding signal that I can't 
identify. It had varying lengths and at least 2 sources. Then it 
stopped, and I heard a second or two of probably 60 wpm FSK, then 
nothing. What is this?

733 de W3NU

From Til128 at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 21:54:29 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:54:29 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
Message-ID: <ad5d8.3c334af2.399c9755@aol.com>

FWIW, I've used stringy axle grease where applicable and non-detergent  
10W30 
with no problems.  Lithium was a big disappointment....got dry  and rather 
useless.
lar

-----------------------------------------------
I concur with  Larry about the oil, but as for grease I use Lucas Oil 
Products Red "N" Tacky  #2.
It doesn't sling around, and stays where put. (Withstands high  heat.) This 
stuff is available in Home Depot and auto stores.
 
My 2?.

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
HeavyMetal
LL TTY
 

From packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 22:43:24 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:43:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] test de w4yex
In-Reply-To: <201008152156.o7FLuJlQ014720@mailrtr02.ntelos.net>
References: <201008152156.o7FLuJlQ014720@mailrtr02.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <822B0F35-A44B-4C7A-994D-6244993E627E@gmail.com>

WELCOME BACK DARYL

Don
K9TTY


On 15 Aug 2010, at 4:55 PM, Daryl Cline wrote:

Hi Guys. Rejoined after a few years off for medical. Hope to start
back refurbishing the model 19.






J. Daryl Cline WB4YEX <><
Harrisonburg, Va.
YAHOO IM: darylcline
WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG
> :-o
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From chrise at pobox.com  Tue Aug 17 22:49:19 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:49:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] someone needs to tell this guy about the ASR33 on
 eBay
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin57fV03iZC=Vzn-RZ1-9ysOQBMYhHA_J2=V2L+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsC092h7pk-hHWODAWG2rt8xrRRN82tPzL0jF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin57fV03iZC=Vzn-RZ1-9ysOQBMYhHA_J2=V2L+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100818024919.GA5111@n0jcf.net>


I was thinking there must have been some kinda party in the guy's attic--
since the ad said the machine worked when he put it up there 20 yrs ago...
but boy, the keyboard sure looks like it took a hit when some party
animal sat on it...

Glad it was saved in any case.

Who made the modem?

Chris

On Tuesday (08/17/2010 at 05:28PM -0700), Pete Lancashire wrote:
> Hi all here's the story on the 33
> 
> Just brought it home a couple hours ago.
> 
> It's been dropped but not that bad, my call dropped on the left side. The paper
> roller is basically jammed. Rotated the motor by hand and did a full main shaft
> rotation and plugged it in, runs ok but as usual oil's dried out.
> 
> I got it to save it the seller was going to trash it. Sometime this
> winter, I'm going to
> have to thin out now that there's a ASR35 in the family. When I do
> I'll let the list know
> and more interesting in trading then selling. What will go will prob
> be the three KSR33's
> one with a stand. Sadly no ASR's and for now all three with issues. The one with
> the stand is frozen.
> 
> Been a strange summer, for 5 or 6 years not a single Teletype has
> shown up here and
> now four of them in 5 months. Must be that screwed up jet-stream.
> 
> -pete
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bryan Brodie <greenkeys at vaporland.com> wrote:
> > it looks pretty nice to me,?especially?for FREE!
> >
> > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/zip/1902268480.html
> >
> > George, that's near you I believe, but I think your wife will kill you
> > if you drag home another puppy from the pound.
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From k9tty at dls.net  Tue Aug 17 22:53:04 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:53:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication...
Message-ID: <01F1415D-F9C5-4638-8B1C-0D6B0B8DF6F6@dls.net>

For years I have been recommending ONE LUBE for oil and ONE GREASE for  
grease.

I pulled the typing unit out of my 28 KSR that I use to copy iTTY.  It  
has been over a year
since I cleaned and lubed the unit.  It is amazingly clean and I could  
not find a dry felt
anywhere on the machine.  Also the 60-67-100 gearshift seems to be  
okay too!

Also I have to report myself for taking great care of the M15 typing  
unit but failing to clean
and lubricate the transmitting distributor shaft which froze.  Thanks  
to some memory
joggers from George and a new gear from Rice it is now back in service.

This getting old is not for the faint of heart.

Don
K9TTY

From chrise at pobox.com  Tue Aug 17 22:58:58 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:58:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <ad5d8.3c334af2.399c9755@aol.com>
References: <ad5d8.3c334af2.399c9755@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100818025858.GB5111@n0jcf.net>

On Tuesday (08/17/2010 at 09:54PM -0400), Til128 at aol.com wrote:
> FWIW, I've used stringy axle grease where applicable and non-detergent  
> 10W30 
> with no problems.  Lithium was a big disappointment....got dry  and rather 
> useless.
> lar
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> I concur with  Larry about the oil, but as for grease I use Lucas Oil 
> Products Red "N" Tacky  #2.
> It doesn't sling around, and stays where put. (Withstands high  heat.) This 
> stuff is available in Home Depot and auto stores.
>  
> My 2?.

And when I overhauled two M33 during the past year, I went to the farm
store and bought a couple different sized horse syringes.  You can pack
the Red N Tacky into one of these syringes and get it right down into
the machine, right where you need it.

A smaller syringe also worked great to dispense the 3-in-1 "large motor"
oil where it was just too tight to fit their blue and white bottle into
the machine.

Anybody can buy these syringes without any sort of prescription or
anything... and they were real cheap.  Four or five in a pack for a
couple bucks.  Various gauge needles were then sold seperately for about
a buck each.

-- 
Chris Elmquist  N0JCF


From k1lky at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 17 23:50:46 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:50:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <20100818025858.GB5111@n0jcf.net>
References: <ad5d8.3c334af2.399c9755@aol.com> <20100818025858.GB5111@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <87655B6E-03E1-48F5-9398-71C63393AEC1@earthlink.net>


On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote:
> ... I went to the farm
> store and bought a couple different sized horse syringes.
...
> Various gauge needles were then sold seperately for about
> a buck each.

(We have both horses and various syringes around the place here):

I suggest that :

- The sharp points of the needles be rounded off with a whet stone or  
bench grinder for safety

- You use a felt tip marker to mark what the syringe contains


Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!




From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Wed Aug 18 09:44:29 2010
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:44:29 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
References: <ad5d8.3c334af2.399c9755@aol.com> <20100818025858.GB5111@n0jcf.net>
	<87655B6E-03E1-48F5-9398-71C63393AEC1@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D8B5B8C101F34BEAB172C8ECD32CEAD2@NewComputer>

Yes, I, too, visited my "agricultural supply" store and got needles and 
syringes.   I concur wholly with Roy's suggestions.   No one ever pays any 
attention to my lubricant suggestions so I will limit myself to come 
comments on what we are trying to accomplish.  And I've found that generally 
you can conclude that some "mixing" of products can be done.

Keep in mind that you are trying to actually keep mechanical surfaces apart 
with the fluid lubricant.  At the same time you have to supply a material 
that can saturate the many sleeve bearings and also have sufficiently low 
viscosity to allow the "lubricant" to carry away any mechanical wear 
particles.   There will be volatile components that will disappear in time 
leaving anywhere from a "gum" to a solid varnish.   Here is where your 
judgment comes in.   This result can be anywhere from almost unnoticeable to 
"a problem" after a month or less.   It all depends on your choice and 
creation of "lubricant."

Since I have never seen a product that listed "teletype machines" on their 
container I would propose that it might be wise to think about application 
conditions  that are as severe or worse than those we see when watching our 
machines operate.   Also remember that some minor disassembly might be 
necessary properly access the surfaces of interest.   I always laugh when I 
see those warnings to "not use excessive amounts of lubricant."   .

73

Lee  K9WRU


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Morgan" <k1lky at earthlink.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication


>
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote:
>> ... I went to the farm
>> store and bought a couple different sized horse syringes.
> ...
>> Various gauge needles were then sold seperately for about
>> a buck each.
>
> (We have both horses and various syringes around the place here):
>
> I suggest that :
>
> - The sharp points of the needles be rounded off with a whet stone or
> bench grinder for safety
>
> - You use a felt tip marker to mark what the syringe contains
>
>
> Roy
>
> Roy Morgan
> k1lky at earthlink.net
> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>
>
>
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From brooke at pacific.net  Wed Aug 18 11:46:13 2010
From: brooke at pacific.net (Brooke Clarke)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:46:13 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <D8B5B8C101F34BEAB172C8ECD32CEAD2@NewComputer>
References: <ad5d8.3c334af2.399c9755@aol.com>
	<20100818025858.GB5111@n0jcf.net>	<87655B6E-03E1-48F5-9398-71C63393AEC1@earthlink.net>
	<D8B5B8C101F34BEAB172C8ECD32CEAD2@NewComputer>
Message-ID: <4C6C0045.9040808@pacific.net>

Hi Lee:

While learning about Western Union "Self Winding Clocks", see:
http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC.shtml
http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml

I learned that there are different lubricants for different parts of the 
clock.
The old clock oils were based on whale oil and later other organic oils 
were used.  The problem with all of these is that they dry out with 
time.  The newer oils are synthetic based and do not dry out.  BUT, the 
are expensive (a few ounces of Nye oil is almost $50).
http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml#Lub

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com


Lee Mushel wrote:
> Yes, I, too, visited my "agricultural supply" store and got needles and
> syringes.   I concur wholly with Roy's suggestions.   No one ever pays any
> attention to my lubricant suggestions so I will limit myself to come
> comments on what we are trying to accomplish.  And I've found that generally
> you can conclude that some "mixing" of products can be done.
>
> Keep in mind that you are trying to actually keep mechanical surfaces apart
> with the fluid lubricant.  At the same time you have to supply a material
> that can saturate the many sleeve bearings and also have sufficiently low
> viscosity to allow the "lubricant" to carry away any mechanical wear
> particles.   There will be volatile components that will disappear in time
> leaving anywhere from a "gum" to a solid varnish.   Here is where your
> judgment comes in.   This result can be anywhere from almost unnoticeable to
> "a problem" after a month or less.   It all depends on your choice and
> creation of "lubricant."
>
> Since I have never seen a product that listed "teletype machines" on their
> container I would propose that it might be wise to think about application
> conditions  that are as severe or worse than those we see when watching our
> machines operate.   Also remember that some minor disassembly might be
> necessary properly access the surfaces of interest.   I always laugh when I
> see those warnings to "not use excessive amounts of lubricant."   .
>
> 73
>
> Lee  K9WRU
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Morgan"<k1lky at earthlink.net>
> To:<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
>
>
>    
>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote:
>>      
>>> ... I went to the farm
>>> store and bought a couple different sized horse syringes.
>>>        
>> ...
>>      
>>> Various gauge needles were then sold seperately for about
>>> a buck each.
>>>        
>> (We have both horses and various syringes around the place here):
>>
>> I suggest that :
>>
>> - The sharp points of the needles be rounded off with a whet stone or
>> bench grinder for safety
>>
>> - You use a felt tip marker to mark what the syringe contains
>>
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> Roy Morgan
>> k1lky at earthlink.net
>> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>>
>>
>>
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From k2gtm1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 15:07:32 2010
From: k2gtm1 at gmail.com (Greg Miller, K2GTM)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:07:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15+ on Craigslist in Fredericksburg, VA area
Message-ID: <4C6C2F74.90406@gmail.com>

  Hi all,

Just wanted to pass this along to anyone near the Fredericksburg, VA area:

http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/atq/1902199639.html

I would love to pick it up, but I have too much stuff already.  Besides, 
my wife would kill me so I couldn't use it anyway...  lol

Seller seems nice.  He's going to take pics of it this weekend to send out.

73,
Greg K2GTM



From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 15:28:06 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:28:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15+ on Craigslist in Fredericksburg, VA area
In-Reply-To: <4C6C2F74.90406@gmail.com>
References: <4C6C2F74.90406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0W6jNuXBBtAz3C8OwnhRmLqtKEZzEMGCHsEHB@mail.gmail.com>

a great price for what sounds like a knowledgeable seller and one who took good
care.

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Greg Miller, K2GTM <k2gtm1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to pass this along to anyone near the Fredericksburg, VA area:
>
> http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/atq/1902199639.html
>
> I would love to pick it up, but I have too much stuff already. ?Besides,
> my wife would kill me so I couldn't use it anyway... ?lol
>
> Seller seems nice. ?He's going to take pics of it this weekend to send out.
>
> 73,
> Greg K2GTM
>
>
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From k9tty at dls.net  Wed Aug 18 22:38:42 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:38:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rolls of White Teletypewriter Paper Available again.
Message-ID: <96A52D39-4289-4BC7-87C8-9B49004A422F@dls.net>

Up for sale on eBay are 4 cases of 12 rolls white 2-ply paper (NCR  
carbonless)
Good price even considering the shipping...

<http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-12-New-Rolls-Teletype-Paper-2-Ply-8-5-Wide-/130422331496 
 >

From nagle at animats.com  Thu Aug 19 14:04:53 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:04:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <mailman.93.1282233660.2209.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.93.1282233660.2209.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C6D7245.50804@animats.com>

On 8/19/2010 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> I learned that there are different lubricants for different parts of the
> clock.
> The old clock oils were based on whale oil and later other organic oils
> were used.  The problem with all of these is that they dry out with
> time.  The newer oils are synthetic based and do not dry out.  BUT, the
> are expensive (a few ounces of Nye oil is almost $50).
> http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml#Lub
>
> Brooke Clarke
> http://www.PRC68.com
>
>
> Lee Mushel wrote:
>> >  Yes, I, too, visited my "agricultural supply" store and got needles and
>> >  syringes.   I concur wholly with Roy's suggestions.

    I've written up the cleanup and oiling of a Model 15 at

	http://www.aetherltd.com/refurbishing.html

There's a manual:

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/teletype/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf

See pages 64-68 for the list of oiling points, of which there
are several hundred.

I use Valvoline 5-20W synthetic motor oil, which doesn't gunk up,
and an Empire precision oiler 
("http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Level-2776-Precision-Oiler/dp/B0001ZYNE8") to 
put one drop of oil in the right places.

It's not a syringe; it's a pen-like gadget that drops one drop of oil
out of the end of its tube onto a tiny brass knob, which you then
touch to the bearing to be oiled.  This is great for all those
little bearings in the keyboard and typebar areas. You can oil
about one bearing per second, so you can hit all the proper
oiling points like you're supposed to.

The oil filler points and bigger bearings are oiled with a long
snout oil can.

For the grease points, "Red  'N' Tacky Grease", which is about
$5 per grease gun tube, works well. Since Teletypes have
unenclosed gears, you need to use something that won't be
thrown off by centrifugal force.  Lithium grease isn't
normally formulated for that.

If you go to the trouble to do a full cleaning and oiling
job, an undamaged Model 15 will just purr.  The loudest sound
on mine is the keys hitting the paper.

				John Nagle


From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 15:49:55 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:49:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubrication
In-Reply-To: <4C6D7245.50804@animats.com>
References: <mailman.93.1282233660.2209.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4C6D7245.50804@animats.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=44CWuw2FigiuY46vkyZpC5CsqyLw1OHVGp0Wz@mail.gmail.com>

Another oil is called 'Turbine Oil', this came up for those of us
that own a Hammond Organ. It has a long shaft that is run from a small
synchronous motor and any gumming up of the oil will cause it to slow down.

http://www.kittiwake.com/7_7_turbine_oil.htm

many other ref's via Google

-pete


On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:04 AM, John Nagle <nagle at animats.com> wrote:
> On 8/19/2010 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> I learned that there are different lubricants for different parts of the
>> clock.
>> The old clock oils were based on whale oil and later other organic oils
>> were used. ?The problem with all of these is that they dry out with
>> time. ?The newer oils are synthetic based and do not dry out. ?BUT, the
>> are expensive (a few ounces of Nye oil is almost $50).
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml#Lub
>>
>> Brooke Clarke
>> http://www.PRC68.com
>>
>>
>> Lee Mushel wrote:
>>> > ?Yes, I, too, visited my "agricultural supply" store and got needles and
>>> > ?syringes. ? I concur wholly with Roy's suggestions.
>
> ? ?I've written up the cleanup and oiling of a Model 15 at
>
> ? ? ? ?http://www.aetherltd.com/refurbishing.html
>
> There's a manual:
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/teletype/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf
>
> See pages 64-68 for the list of oiling points, of which there
> are several hundred.
>
> I use Valvoline 5-20W synthetic motor oil, which doesn't gunk up,
> and an Empire precision oiler
> ("http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Level-2776-Precision-Oiler/dp/B0001ZYNE8") to
> put one drop of oil in the right places.
>
> It's not a syringe; it's a pen-like gadget that drops one drop of oil
> out of the end of its tube onto a tiny brass knob, which you then
> touch to the bearing to be oiled. ?This is great for all those
> little bearings in the keyboard and typebar areas. You can oil
> about one bearing per second, so you can hit all the proper
> oiling points like you're supposed to.
>
> The oil filler points and bigger bearings are oiled with a long
> snout oil can.
>
> For the grease points, "Red ?'N' Tacky Grease", which is about
> $5 per grease gun tube, works well. Since Teletypes have
> unenclosed gears, you need to use something that won't be
> thrown off by centrifugal force. ?Lithium grease isn't
> normally formulated for that.
>
> If you go to the trouble to do a full cleaning and oiling
> job, an undamaged Model 15 will just purr. ?The loudest sound
> on mine is the keys hitting the paper.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?John Nagle
>
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From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 19 16:45:44 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:45:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 7096
Message-ID: <4C6D97F8.3030803@roadrunner.com>

Trying to send this again first attempt yesterday never appeared on list.

_______________________________-


  Just now I heard on 7096 a very harsh-sounding signal that I can't 
identify. It had varying lengths and at least 2 sources. Then it 
stopped, and I heard a second or two of probably 60 wpm FSK, then 
nothing. What is this?

733 de W3NU

From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu Aug 19 23:49:55 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:49:55 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] List Problem?
Message-ID: <4C6DD133.3918.13187D@dhunter.islandregister.com>

I tired posting a message this morning, nd again this 
evening. Is the list having problems?

Dave

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu Aug 19 23:52:40 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:52:40 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Telebyte M65A and ASR-33
Message-ID: <4C6DD1D8.25378.159D05@dhunter.islandregister.com>


I tried sending the message below early this morning, but 
it never appeared on the list.... Hopefully it won't result 
in a duplicate!  

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Slight ammendment re wiring.... I noticed I had changed
these as I worked on the system....

TTY terminal strip: 3 4 
Telebyte 65A: G C- 

Although I don't right now have the keyboard hooked up 
right now, and dont immediately have time to check it out, 
I am sure I will find the same is true with it, with  

TTY terminal strip: 6 7
Telebyte 65A: G K-

Incidentally, one thing I noticed.... I originally was 
using a 25 pin male to 9 pin female cord to interface with 
the M65A along with a gender changer for the 25 pin end.  

The other day, I received a 25 pin female to 9 pin female 
cord in the mail, eliminating the need for a gender 
changer. Hoever, unknown to me when I ordered it, this 
cable was a crossover cable. No problem, to use it I merely 
had to change over the position of the DTE/DTC switch on 
the interface to accommodate it...   

It is certainly much neater, but performs the same service.
So, if you try a cord and it doesn't work (as it may be a
crossover rather than straight cable), simply throw the
switch to the opposite direction. This simply swaps the
function of pins 2 and 3 in the interface.

I will updated all with the latest settings when I return
from my teletype related trip to NS this weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTzvpYumQs

Dave, VY2AC
------- End of forwarded message -------

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From WA5CAB at cs.com  Thu Aug 19 23:55:53 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:55:53 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] List Problem?
Message-ID: <155dd6.2a02301.399f56c9@cs.com>

Dunno.  About four other list messages came in today.  Plus numerous ones 
from other QTH lists.

In a message dated 8/19/2010 10:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time, 
dhunter at islandregister.com writes: 
> I tired posting a message this morning, nd again this 
> evening. Is the list having problems?
> 
> Dave
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From legalize at xmission.com  Fri Aug 20 13:30:16 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:30:16 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype story machine?
Message-ID: <E1OmVQ0-0004mU-2K@shell.xmission.com>

Someone sent me a link, which I have now lost, to a web site where the
author had pictures of an art installation he built using a teletype
and a paper tape reader and some of his own devices built in a retro
style to look like they fit in with the teletype.

The paper tape fed into a teletype that would print out a story at the
same time as another device was synthesizing text-to-speech and
reading the story aloud.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?  I'd like to share the link and for
the life of me I can't find it again.
-- 
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download
 <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/>

      Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

From legalize at xmission.com  Fri Aug 20 13:37:00 2010
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:37:00 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype story machine?
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:30:16 -0600.
	<E1OmVQ0-0004mU-2K@shell.xmission.com> 
Message-ID: <E1OmVWW-0006Xi-Ro@shell.xmission.com>


Ahhhhh... of course I found it as soon as I asked for help finding it
:-)

The Story Teller is what I was thinking about:
<http://wps.com/products/Story-Teller/index.html>
-- 
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download
 <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/>

      Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

From kgreene at cellmail.com  Sat Aug 21 16:33:34 2010
From: kgreene at cellmail.com (Kevin Greene)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:33:34 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Paper / Teleprinter Paper
Message-ID: <4C70381E.9000401@cellmail.com>

Hi:

I found a manufacturer of who currently sells Teletype paper to GSA and other
Government users. As they only sell in the pallet level (96 cases), they
referred me to a local (but national) distributer here in the San Francisco area
who is able to order what I want. It will take an average of 2-3 weeks for
delivery to them and then a couple of more days to me.

I am planning to order a couple of cases of the paper for my own use. These are
8.5 x 4.5 inch single ply (white) paper rolls that are 365 feet long. This is
NOT thermal paper but the real thing. They also have it in a little different
size (225 feet) and a different paper weight.

They only sell by the case for the 365 foot long ones.

The cost is about $8 each plus tax in the case lot (12 per box) level. Shipping
is extra but is free however, if you live in the Bay Area.

If anyone is interested, I would be willing to share the information contact
information. Please contact me off list. Please do not bug them to sell less
than case level. I want this source to like to deal with the
Teletype/Teleprinter crowd.

Thanks.

Kevin
(a UGC-74 user)

From maxtaz at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 23 12:34:48 2010
From: maxtaz at shaw.ca (David)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:34:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lorens LO-15 TD   F.S.
Message-ID: <80904DF64B9E4CD3AAB0270026E7C3DF@RadioRoom>

Greetings. I have a Lorenz LO-15  TD for sale. This TD is the electrical 
version and the LO-15 that I have is all mechanical so it is not compatible.
I also have some spare parts over and above what I need.
I can send a picture of the TD if interested.

Thanks.

Dave     VA7DG 


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon Aug 23 13:15:49 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:15:49 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Canadian KSR-33 Video on now...
Message-ID: <4C728295.12181.1A15538@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Leigh Teletype KSR-33 Demonstration - Telephone Museum of 
P.E.I.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMvs1t1CEH8

Many don't realize that some teletypes were made in Canada 
under license from Teletype Corp.; first by Northern 
Electric, then by Marsland Engineering, which was then 
acquired in 1969 by Leigh Instruments who continued the 
manufacture of these machines. 

This is an KSR-33 made by Leigh in the 70's. I acquired it 
in 1975 from Island Tel, used it for a year as a computer 
i/o device, then loaned it to a friend. He used it for a 
year, and for the next 20 years, it was stored in his barn 
under less than ideal conditions.

When my friend heard I was looking for a model 33 for the 
museum, he reminded me about this one, and the next weekend 
brought it down. Barn storage had been cruel on the 
machine, and I know it would be tough on the machine.

The top cover had been broken in, and squirrels had been 
living in it, leaving it littered with parts of spruce 
cones and other seeds. In addition, the storage had been 
very damp resulting in a lot of rust.

The next few weeks were spent removing rust and replacing 
damaged parts, the broken cover, etc.

However, as you can see this old baby has been quite 
resilient, and with some major TLC is now working again

Here, you see it printing out text from the Internet using 
a program called Heavy Metal via a Telebyte M65A interface. 
The first while, it is shown with the cover down, then for 
a minute or so with cover open, so you can see its printing 
action, then finally in a shot panning around the museum to 
other equipment on display in the teletype area.

You will also see a model ASR-33 on display, a model very 
similar to this one, but with the ability to generate and 
read paper tape. A video of that machine and my Model 28ASR 
machine are also viewable on YouTube.

I will be doing additional cleaning of the discolored 
plastics as I have time.

Leigh Instruments acquired Marsland Engineering in 1969 as 
part of an expansion. Leigh closed their manufacturing 
facility completely in 1983 to concentrate on other 
ventures. Unknown to many, Northern Electric manufactured 
these for a few years  before Marsland started building 
them, but the quality was poorer due to inferior hardening 
of metal parts as compared to these and those made by 
Teletype themselves. Note Leigh's white on blue nameplate, 
as well as the small Island Tel nameplate on the cover.

When I was doing this video, I didn't quite have the 
printer inside the case properly, and as a result with the 
top cover down, the paper was jamming somewhat. This was 
fixed as the video uploaded. That is why near the beginning 
of the video, you will see me fiddling with the paper 
before opening the cover. This is not normal and has been 
resolved.

My thanks go out to Ken Gartland of Nova Scotia, an ex-
CN/CP Telecommunications service technician for going over 
this machine's printer  after I had it operating and 
setting it to meet factory specs with his test set. 

You can see this video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMvs1t1CEH8

or on my teletype page at:

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html

Dave


The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From rn23crna at windstream.net  Mon Aug 23 15:33:41 2010
From: rn23crna at windstream.net (James Bloomfield)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:33:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 79, Issue 34
In-Reply-To: <mailman.107.1282492892.13821.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.107.1282492892.13821.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <2C10C9E93C7D4BF2905C42C9AC199042@userptk3f2vtkv>


Re RTTY Paper. 
	Back in the olden days - 1970 - to get rtty paper we would get
the end of the roll from the local news paper.  Cut it width wise -
close - then stand that on its end and flatten the end of the roll.
What did we cut it with??   Chain saw. 

	JIM 
	KV4FE




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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:33:34 -0700
From: Kevin Greene <kgreene at cellmail.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Paper / Teleprinter Paper
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4C70381E.9000401 at cellmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi:

I found a manufacturer of who currently sells Teletype paper to GSA
and other
Government users. As they only sell in the pallet level (96 cases),
they
referred me to a local (but national) distributer here in the San
Francisco area
who is able to order what I want. It will take an average of 2-3 weeks
for
delivery to them and then a couple of more days to me.

I am planning to order a couple of cases of the paper for my own use.
These are
8.5 x 4.5 inch single ply (white) paper rolls that are 365 feet long.
This is
NOT thermal paper but the real thing. They also have it in a little
different
size (225 feet) and a different paper weight.

They only sell by the case for the 365 foot long ones.

The cost is about $8 each plus tax in the case lot (12 per box) level.
Shipping
is extra but is free however, if you live in the Bay Area.

If anyone is interested, I would be willing to share the information
contact
information. Please contact me off list. Please do not bug them to
sell less
than case level. I want this source to like to deal with the
Teletype/Teleprinter crowd.

Thanks.

Kevin
(a UGC-74 user)


------------------------------

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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Tue Aug 24 15:36:34 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:36:34 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Way to go!
In-Reply-To: <20100824185915.26111.qmail@server278.com>
References: <20100824185915.26111.qmail@server278.com>
Message-ID: <4C73F512.1505.8D9155@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

On 24 Aug 2010 at 18:59, john wrote:

> Could you take a close up camera photo of the good one you
> have and post it on greenkeys?

At John's request, I am posting this. On a recent trip to 
Ken Gartland's, he gave me these. They are print hammer 
bumpers made here in Canada for the Marsland/Leigh ASR and 
KSR 33's, and presumably would fit the model 32's as well.

Unlike NOS american ones, these were made with a different 
material, and as a result never went gummy. They are, 
however made to the same specs as the US ones and will fit 
all 32's ot 33's. The two of these have a slight mold flaw 
on one side, but this could be corrected easily in 
production.

Though it doesn't show on the photo, remember that the hole 
in them steps back inside to hold it on when it snaps onto 
the hammer.

John wanted me to post a photo in case someone wanted to 
try to make one for themselves:

http://www.islandregister.com/phones/teletype/bumper.jpg

Another member of the list has been sent one of these, and 
is going to try to get them duplicated by a company in the 
US, ensuring a lasting supply. They needed a good non 
deteriorated sample to go from. Stand by for news from him 
if it is successful or viable.

Sadly, these are the last two known of these to still exist 
here, so they may very well be the last two undeteriorated 
hammer bumpers in existence!

Of course as we all know, a quick fix is to place a 3/4 
inch length of tight fitting vinyl tubing over the hammer, 
but, Oh wouldn't it be wonderful if this attempt at making 
new ones using these as a template is successful.

More of the story of Northern Electric, then Marsland and 
finally Leigh producing teletypes by license in Canada on 
my KSR-33 video description on ebay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMvs1t1CEH8

or as follows:

"Leigh Teletype KSR-33 Demonstration - Telephone Museum of 
P.E.I.

Many don't realize it, but some teletypes were made in 
Canada under license from Teletype Corp.; first by Northern 
Electric, then by Marsland Engineering, which was then 
acquired in 1969 by Leigh Instruments who continued the 
manufacture of these machines. This was to get around 
import duties and taxes at the time which doubled the cost 
of a teletype imported from the US.

This is an KSR-33 made by Leigh in the 70's. I acquired it 
in 1975 from Island Tel who gave several surplus machines 
to fellow ham radio operators, used it for a year as a 
computer i/o device, then loaned it to a friend. He used it 
for a year, and for the next 20 years, it was stored in his 
barn under less than ideal conditions.

When my friend heard I was looking for a model 33 for the 
museum, he reminded me about this one, and the next weekend 
brought it down. Barn storage had been cruel on the 
machine.

The top cover had been broken in, and squirrels had been 
living in it, leaving it littered with parts of spruce 
cones and other seeds. In addition, the storage had been 
very damp resulting in a lot of rust.

The next few weeks were spent removing rust and replacing 
damaged parts, the broken cover, etc.

However, as you can see this old baby has been quite 
resilient, and with some major TLC is now working again. It 
is a nice feeling bringing something like this back to 
life!

Here, you see it printing out text from the Internet using 
a program called Heavy Metal via a Telebyte M65A interface. 
The first while, it is shown with the cover down, then for 
a minute or so with cover open, so you can see its printing 
action, then finally in a shot panning around the museum to 
other equipment on display in the teletype area.

You can also see a model ASR-33 on display, a model very 
similar to this one, but with the ability to generate and 
read paper tape. Videos of that machine and two of my Model 
28ASR machine are also viewable on my YouTube channel.

I will be doing additional cleaning of the discolored 
plastics as I have time.

Leigh Instruments acquired Marsland Engineering in 1969 as 
part of an expansion. Leigh closed their manufacturing 
facility completely in 1983 to concentrate on other 
ventures. Unknown to many, Northern Electric manufactured 
these for a few years before Marsland started building 
them, but the quality was poorer due to inferior hardening 
of metal parts as compared to these and those made by 
Teletype themselves. Note Leigh's white on blue nameplate, 
as well as the small Island Tel nameplate on the cover.

When I was doing this video, I didn't quite have the 
printer inside the case properly, and as a result with the 
top cover down, the paper was jamming somewhat. This was 
fixed as the video uploaded. That is why near the beginning 
of the video, you will see me fiddling with the paper 
before opening the cover. This is not normal and has been 
resolved.

My thanks go out to Ken Gartland of Nova Scotia, an ex-
CN/CP Telecommunications service technician for going over 
this machine's printer after I had it operating and setting 
it to meet factory specs with his test set."

Dave


The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From ecom1 at mhsdesign.com  Tue Aug 24 16:58:03 2010
From: ecom1 at mhsdesign.com (Ron Boltz)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:58:03 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/GRC-46 Pictures needed
Message-ID: <1754E966946C47A48219A9909BE8EC57@Optiplex170>

I am creating a web site about RATT RIGS and need at least one good picture
of the '46 mounted on the M-37.  It must be free of copyrights and no people
in the picture.

Ron Boltz


From larryradio at att.net  Wed Aug 25 14:01:12 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:01:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
Message-ID: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>

Howdy Folks,

I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.  It can be keyed with 
6 VDC.  I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC terminals and it opens 
and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.

I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.  Anyone 
tried playing with these successfully?  For now, I can't understand why it 
would show on an ohmmeter with probably 3 volts from the meter and then not 
close with 130 VDC and a 60MA magnet.

lar
Larry
K2JIA
OFC 


From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Wed Aug 25 14:35:20 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:35:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
Message-ID: <4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>

Hey Larry;

I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not DC.

I can't remember what that "transistor" is called, but it can handle
some serious VAC, but doesn't work with DC.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Larry Tighe wrote:
> Howdy Folks,
> 
> I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.  It can be keyed with 
> 6 VDC.  I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC terminals and it opens 
> and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.
> 
> I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.  Anyone 
> tried playing with these successfully?  For now, I can't understand why it 
> would show on an ohmmeter with probably 3 volts from the meter and then not 
> close with 130 VDC and a 60MA magnet.
> 
> lar
> Larry
> K2JIA
> OFC 

-- 
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From larryradio at att.net  Wed Aug 25 14:50:05 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:50:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <67EA6AE7FFF94DADAAAA14F2942F3BAB@ljt>

Yes but.....the ohmmeter is very low voltage DC and responds to the 
closures...in either polarity direction !

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays


> Hey Larry;
>
> I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not DC.
>
> I can't remember what that "transistor" is called, but it can handle
> some serious VAC, but doesn't work with DC.
>
> UE,
> W6ESE - tony
> NNNNZCZC


From kc7gr-15 at bluefeathertech.com  Wed Aug 25 14:33:57 2010
From: kc7gr-15 at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:33:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
Message-ID: <201008251133570358.00B4D2F4@192.168.42.129>

	This is because a TTY loop is DC. In order to key it on and off, you should use an optoisolator, rated for the appropriate voltage/current, instead of a SSR (unless, of course, the SSR is specifically rated to switch the appropriate level of DC).

	Most AC SSR's use a photosensitive triac, and triacs require AC to be switched into conduction and return to a non-conductive state. Not sure why (I'm not a semiconductor physics guy), but that's how it is.

	Happy tweaking.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 25-Aug-10 at 14:01 Larry Tighe wrote:

>Howdy Folks,
>
>I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.  It can be keyed
>with 
>6 VDC.  I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC terminals and it opens 
>and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.
>
>I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.  Anyone 
>tried playing with these successfully?  For now, I can't understand why it 
>would show on an ohmmeter with probably 3 volts from the meter and then
>not 
>close with 130 VDC and a 60MA magnet.
>
>lar
>Larry
>K2JIA
>OFC 
>
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From rlaag at pacbell.net  Wed Aug 25 15:11:32 2010
From: rlaag at pacbell.net (Robert Laag)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:11:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <652578.64192.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

THAT IS A GREAT RELAY FOR CONTROLLING TTY MOTORS...? BUT, I FOUND AN ECG OPTO-ISOLATOR RATED AT 400 VOLTS OR SOMETHING AND USE THAT FOR MY INTERFACE FROM MINICOMPUTER TO RTTY LOOP...? HAS GIVEN NO TROUBLE AFTER 25 YEARS...

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, hunybuny at eskimo.com <hunybuny at eskimo.com> wrote:

From: hunybuny at eskimo.com <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 11:35 AM

Hey Larry;

I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not DC.

I can't remember what that "transistor" is called, but it can handle
some serious VAC, but doesn't work with DC.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Larry Tighe wrote:
> Howdy Folks,
> 
> I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.? It can be keyed with 
> 6 VDC.? I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC terminals and it opens 
> and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.
> 
> I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.? Anyone 
> tried playing with these successfully?? For now, I can't understand why it 
> would show on an ohmmeter with probably 3 volts from the meter and then not 
> close with 130 VDC and a 60MA magnet.
> 
> lar
> Larry
> K2JIA
> OFC 

-- 
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From kasley at fnal.gov  Wed Aug 25 15:31:42 2010
From: kasley at fnal.gov (Paul Kasley)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:31:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com> <67EA6AE7FFF94DADAAAA14F2942F3BAB@ljt>
Message-ID: <E2228F5AEBE046A88B7296F24E0D5FE9@fnal.gov>

Your ohmmeter is probably sourcing the gate drive current thru the internal 
diode bridge thru the internal optocoupler to the internal SCR.  SCRs and 
triacs have a minimum hold current and the 60mA may not be sufficient. There 
are DC rated SSRs that use MOSFETs instead of SCRs. I'm not sure if you can 
find an optocoupler with a 300V VCEO transistor output that can pound 60mA 
directly. Also, you need to snub the coils to manage the inductive kick when 
the transistor turns off - a simple 1N4004/5/6 diode may do the trick 
without excessively lengthening the current pulses thru the coils.

-w9ts

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
To: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays


> Yes but.....the ohmmeter is very low voltage DC and responds to the
> closures...in either polarity direction !
>
> lar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
> To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
> Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
>
>
>> Hey Larry;
>>
>> I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not DC.
>>
>> I can't remember what that "transistor" is called, but it can handle
>> some serious VAC, but doesn't work with DC.
>>
>> UE,
>> W6ESE - tony
>> NNNNZCZC
>
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From kc7gr-15 at bluefeathertech.com  Wed Aug 25 16:05:09 2010
From: kc7gr-15 at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:05:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <67EA6AE7FFF94DADAAAA14F2942F3BAB@ljt>
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
	<67EA6AE7FFF94DADAAAA14F2942F3BAB@ljt>
Message-ID: <201008251305090735.01085465@192.168.42.129>

	That's because, if I recall correctly, a triac is, essentially, a pair of diodes back-to-back. As to what specific characteristic makes it not want to conduct DC, well... that I couldn't say. I just know it's not the right device to use for a DC circuit.

	Either an optocoupler or a DC-rated solid-state relay should be used.

	Happy tweaking.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 25-Aug-10 at 14:50 Larry Tighe wrote:

>Yes but.....the ohmmeter is very low voltage DC and responds to the 
>closures...in either polarity direction !
>
>lar
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
>To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
>Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
>
>
>> Hey Larry;
>>
>> I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not DC.
>>
>> I can't remember what that "transistor" is called, but it can handle
>> some serious VAC, but doesn't work with DC.
>>
>> UE,
>> W6ESE - tony
>> NNNNZCZC
>
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From krellboy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 16:33:31 2010
From: krellboy at gmail.com (Aaron Nabil)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:33:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
 what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>

I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda nice, I
for giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go for, you
know, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.  Oops.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218


What is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?  Last
time I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
standard worked well.  So maybe a set of screws and some washers?  I don't
want him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.

It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there were I
think some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve with a
flange at one end.

Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?

From krellboy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 17:06:34 2010
From: krellboy at gmail.com (Aaron Nabil)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:06:34 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
 what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2Mx2jhcSTf7GiJa7joJ64vh8KxwSb+4wuKFGJ@mail.gmail.com>

The unit appears NOS/unused (look at the typewheel), although he doesn't
mention it I'm guessing it's in Bound Brook, NJ.   If someone on the list
wanted it and could pick it up, I'd be happy to pass it on.  Sorry, not
willing to get in the middle of loop if it's shipped someplace, only local
pickup, assuming the seller is amenable.  I haven't paid him yet, if anyone
is interested contact me immediately (I'm hoping he'll knock the shipping
off for pickup).

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Aaron Nabil <krellboy at gmail.com> wrote:

> I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda nice, I
> for giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go for, you
> know, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.  Oops.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218
>
>
> What is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?  Last
> time I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
> standard worked well.  So maybe a set of screws and some washers?  I don't
> want him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.
>
> It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there were
> I think some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve with a
> flange at one end.
>
> Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?
>
>
>

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 25 17:09:11 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:09:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <E2228F5AEBE046A88B7296F24E0D5FE9@fnal.gov>
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
	<67EA6AE7FFF94DADAAAA14F2942F3BAB@ljt>
	<E2228F5AEBE046A88B7296F24E0D5FE9@fnal.gov>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008251608010.3585@localhost>

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Paul Kasley wrote:

>  use MOSFETs instead of SCRs. I'm not sure if you can
> find an optocoupler with a 300V VCEO transistor output that can pound 60mA
> directly. Also, you need to snub the coils to manage the inductive kick when
> the transistor turns off - a simple 1N4004/5/6 diode may do the trick
> without excessively lengthening the current pulses thru the coils.
>
Look at the Fairchild HSR312 and related products.  I haven't got around
to trying this yet, but it looked good - until someone pointed out that
the turnoff time is in milliseconds.



From nagle at animats.com  Wed Aug 25 17:41:12 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:41:12 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21679.1282770561.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.21679.1282770561.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C758DF8.10401@animats.com>

> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
>

> I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.  It can be keyed with
> 6 VDC.  I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC terminals and it opens
> and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.
>
> I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.

    AC "solid state relays" are usually coupled to a control circuit
so that they switch when the AC line crosses zero.  This minimizes
heating.

    DC solid state relays are available.

> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:09:11 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jim Haynes<jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
> To: Paul Kasley<kasley at fnal.gov>
> Cc: Larry Tighe<larryradio at att.net>,greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Paul Kasley wrote:
>
>> >    use MOSFETs instead of SCRs. I'm not sure if you can
>> >  find an optocoupler with a 300V VCEO transistor output that can pound 60mA
>> >  directly. Also, you need to snub the coils to manage the inductive kick when
>> >  the transistor turns off - a simple 1N4004/5/6 diode may do the trick
>> >  without excessively lengthening the current pulses thru the coils.
>> >
> Look at the Fairchild HSR312 and related products.  I haven't got around
> to trying this yet, but it looked good - until someone pointed out that
> the turnoff time is in milliseconds.

    The HSR312L will run a Model 15 at 45.45 baud quite well, provided
you snub the inductive spike coming back from the selector
magnet.  I use those parts.  See

	http://www.aetherltd.com/connecting.html

for circuits and board layouts.

The data sheet says worst case turn-on time is 3ms; turn-off time
is 0.5ms.  That's good enough for 45.45 baud.  Actually, the
device is somewhat faster than its worst case spec.  The parts cost
about $3 each.

					John Nagle


From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Wed Aug 25 18:13:46 2010
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:13:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <4C757F68.9040005@verizon.net>
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C757F68.9040005@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C75959A.6030903@verizon.net>

Bruce Gentry wrote:
> Larry Tighe wrote:
>> Howdy Folks,
>>
>> I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.  It can be 
>> keyed with 6 VDC.  I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC 
>> terminals and it opens and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.
>>
>> I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.  
>> Anyone tried playing with these successfully?  For now, I can't 
>> understand why it would show on an ohmmeter with probably 3 volts 
>> from the meter and then not close with 130 VDC and a 60MA magnet.
>>
>> lar
>> Larry
>> K2JIA
>> OFC
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>   
> A major use of solid state relays is  industrial and elevator control 
> equipment to replace  electromechanical relays   powering motors and 
> inductive loads. Because there are no contacts, nothing is eroded to 
> wear out and fail or stick. Also, the cut off is clean and there are 
> lower transits put onto the power line.  Fewer service calls, but the 
> flash and bang show is gone too!  The solid state relay uses scrs or 
> triacs to carry the load, usually with a small IC included to trigger 
> the devices at zero point so they are not switching  in the middle of 
> the wave.   For a teletype loop, look into high voltage MOSFETs or 
> IGBTs.      Bruce Gentry
>


From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Wed Aug 25 18:27:01 2010
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (scottjohnson1 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:27:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <4C75959A.6030903@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20100825182701.36OLV.433458.imail@fed1rmwml4201>

You won't get a SSR to work with a DC loop, as it is two reverse parallel SCR's, it will go on, and stay latched on.  You may be able to use a DC SSR, which uses a MOSFET, but they are generally limited to around 60 V.   SSR's are also not particularly fast.  You can probably make a quick keying circuit with a darlington opto-isolator and a high voltage MOSFET.  Anybody out there tried?  Seems rather easy.

Scott W7SVJ
---- Bruce Gentry <ka2ivy at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Bruce Gentry wrote:
> > Larry Tighe wrote:
> >> Howdy Folks,
> >>
> >> I have a solid state relay, rated at 240 VAC, 20 amps.  It can be 
> >> keyed with 6 VDC.  I put the ohm meter (analog) across the AC 
> >> terminals and it opens and closes the "switch" with 6 VDC.
> >>
> >> I tried to key a tty loop with it and it won't close the circuit.  
> >> Anyone tried playing with these successfully?  For now, I can't 
> >> understand why it would show on an ohmmeter with probably 3 volts 
> >> from the meter and then not close with 130 VDC and a 60MA magnet.
> >>
> >> lar
> >> Larry
> >> K2JIA
> >> OFC
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> GreenKeys mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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> >>   
> > A major use of solid state relays is  industrial and elevator control 
> > equipment to replace  electromechanical relays   powering motors and 
> > inductive loads. Because there are no contacts, nothing is eroded to 
> > wear out and fail or stick. Also, the cut off is clean and there are 
> > lower transits put onto the power line.  Fewer service calls, but the 
> > flash and bang show is gone too!  The solid state relay uses scrs or 
> > triacs to carry the load, usually with a small IC included to trigger 
> > the devices at zero point so they are not switching  in the middle of 
> > the wave.   For a teletype loop, look into high voltage MOSFETs or 
> > IGBTs.      Bruce Gentry
> >
> 
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Wed Aug 25 19:37:25 2010
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:37:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <20100825182701.36OLV.433458.imail@fed1rmwml4201>
References: <4C75959A.6030903@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20100825193552.04aeb280@incoming.verizon.net>

At 03:27 PM 8/25/2010 -0700, scottjohnson1 at cox.net wrote:
>SSR's are also not particularly fast.  You can probably make a quick 
>keying circuit with a darlington opto-isolator and a high voltage 
>MOSFET.  Anybody out there tried?  Seems rather easy.

Eons ago I did just that with an optoisolator and a TIP48 transistor for 
loop keying my ASR33.  Granted it was 20 ma and not 60 ma, but it was still 
~~120VDC, and I think the TIP48's ratings will handle 60 ma.

Doug, KA2WFT



From packard42 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 21:35:51 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:35:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
	what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9672E8FB-9223-4C61-88D0-7DE8097957B6@gmail.com>

Mr. Nabil,

Under the base pan you will find a hole in the middle if you look into  
it from
underneath there is a nylon fastener, above the fastener the frame of  
the typing
unit also has a hole in it.  Common practice is to put a large 1 inch  
or larger fender
washer on a #10 sheet metal screw that is 1 1/4 inch long.  The screw  
is placed
from under and snugged up to keep the typing unit in place during  
shipping.

The problem with the 33 and 32 machines is that they are very very top  
heavy.
The best way to ship them is by putting them on a small pallet and  
drilling holes
thru the pallet where the adjustable feet are.  You can then use the  
feet as bolts
to secure the machine after removing the rubber pads.

Another way to ship one of these machines is to remove the pedestal  
(stand)
completely and ship it separately from the rest of the machine.  Any  
one of these
steps need to be made carefully with patience as if the machine is not  
secured
well you will receive it in pieces.  They damage very easily.

There are folks that after spending hundreds of dollars do not trust  
the freight
companies and go pick the machines up themselves.  That is exactly  
what I did
when I picked up my 32 ASR in Indiana.

Good luck,

Don
K9TTY


On 25 Aug 2010, at 3:33 PM, Aaron Nabil wrote:

I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda  
nice, I
for giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go  
for, you
know, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.   
Oops.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218


What is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?   
Last
time I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
standard worked well.  So maybe a set of screws and some washers?  I  
don't
want him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.

It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there  
were I
think some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve  
with a
flange at one end.

Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?
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From k1lky at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 26 00:32:43 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:32:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <66A8CACD-A2A7-450A-8F07-64B3A7C18472@earthlink.net>


On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:35 PM, hunybuny at eskimo.com wrote:

> Hey Larry;
>
> I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not  
> DC.

BINGO!

There are solid state relays meant for DC loads.  The couple I have  
are marked for polarity of switched load.

I have not tried them.  These are the only ones I've ever seen.

Roy


Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!




From steveripper at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 01:09:44 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:09:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FW:RTTY+Teletype
Message-ID: <000001cb44dc$e7841cc0$b68c5640$@net>

Craigslist - Teletype in Indianapolis if anyone is interested.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/atq/1914627130.html 

Cheers,

Steve Ripper

steveripper at comcast.net

248-787-0705

 


From larryradio at att.net  Thu Aug 26 09:59:28 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:59:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
References: <81BAFC7E5E3043B081B588015DCFDB51@ljt>
	<4C756268.3030404@eskimo.com>
	<66A8CACD-A2A7-450A-8F07-64B3A7C18472@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5DD73EA1635949CBB1468352014DD1E4@ljt>

Hi Roy,

My only question was why it was keying the 3 VDC of the ohmmeter and not the 
130 VDC, 60 ma loop.  That had miffed me.  I did receive an explanation, 
didn't understand it, and so, I guess, it's not a problem now.

I do use the solid state switch Tom Tillman was distributing...mounted it 
inside the Hal 8000A's that I have and it's perfect.

Thanks,
lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Morgan" <k1lky at earthlink.net>
To: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
Cc: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays


>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 2:35 PM, hunybuny at eskimo.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Larry;
>>
>> I'd guess because it is a SOLID-STATE relay and is expecting AC not  DC.
>
> BINGO!
>
> There are solid state relays meant for DC loads.  The couple I have  are 
> marked for polarity of switched load.
>
> I have not tried them.  These are the only ones I've ever seen.
>
> Roy
>
>
> Roy Morgan
> k1lky at earthlink.net
> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>
>
> 


From n9vmo at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 10:02:16 2010
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:02:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FW:RTTY+Teletype
In-Reply-To: <000001cb44dc$e7841cc0$b68c5640$@net>
References: <000001cb44dc$e7841cc0$b68c5640$@net>
Message-ID: <002b01cb4527$4be3ea20$e3abbe60$@net>

If only I had the room...

Joe
N9VMO

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ripper
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 01:10
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] FW:RTTY+Teletype

Craigslist - Teletype in Indianapolis if anyone is interested.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/atq/1914627130.html 

Cheers,

Steve Ripper

steveripper at comcast.net

248-787-0705

 

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From nagle at animats.com  Thu Aug 26 12:46:57 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:46:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <mailman.87.1282838455.28875.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.87.1282838455.28875.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C769A81.1080606@animats.com>

On 8/26/2010 9:00 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:59:28 -0400
> From: "Larry Tighe"<larryradio at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
> To: "Roy Morgan"<k1lky at earthlink.net>,	<hunybuny at eskimo.com>
> Cc:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:<5DD73EA1635949CBB1468352014DD1E4 at ljt>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=response
>
> Hi Roy,
>
> My only question was why it was keying the 3 VDC of the ohmmeter and not the
> 130 VDC, 60 ma loop.  That had miffed me.  I did receive an explanation,
> didn't understand it, and so, I guess, it's not a problem now.

    OK, here's the theory.  See pages 23-24  of

	http://www.veech.com/index_files/Triac%20Theory.PDF

especially figure 2-16.  Note that a triac is a linear device near
zero current, so to an ohmmeter, it behaves much like a transistor.
But that's not its useful operating range.  If there's sufficient
current through the device anode after triggering, above the holding
current Ih, the device will go into conduction and stay there
until the anode current through the device drops below Ih.  That's
why these devices are good AC switches, but not useful for DC.

     Ih isn't that big; 5 ma is enough to hold most small triacs in
conduction.  But an ohmmeter is below that.   Try switching a flashlight 
bulb and a battery with the device and watch it
trigger and stay in conduction.

				John Nagle

From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 13:43:34 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:43:34 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
 what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
In-Reply-To: <9672E8FB-9223-4C61-88D0-7DE8097957B6@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
	<9672E8FB-9223-4C61-88D0-7DE8097957B6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwv5-L64yPfBEveT+3PW2k2xKtoHcLGjAnBaf+@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Don. first ship as two the 33 and the stand.

if I was shipping this is what I would do (and may be doing soon)

have the unit mounted on a piece of 3/8" plywood that is at least 1"
larger then the Lenght and Width
of the TTY.

then with a double wall corrugated (225 lb or better) box i would put
in a 1/2" minimum
piece of soft foam, the unit on its plywood bottom. I have shipping
foam that is made from foam
scraps

take a piece of 1x2 wood (actually about 3/4" x 1-1/2" or about) and
cut 4 or 6 pieces so that when placed
on the top of the plywood is 1" higher then the top of the TTY.

glue the pieces on the plywood one one each corner and two 1/2 from
left/right side placed at the back and
front.

cut another piece of shipping foam the size of the sheet of plywood
with cutouts where the 1x2s are, place
on top. also if you have some left over of softer pieces fill in the
space between the keyboard to top.

take another piece of plywood, can be 1/4" or use the rest of the 3/8"
and cut same size as the bottom,
glue to tops of the 1x2's and put in place.

lastly another piece of shipping foam, seal up the box call your
shipper, insure for $2,500 and pray.

-pete

cut



On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Don Robert House <packard42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Nabil,
>
> Under the base pan you will find a hole in the middle if you look into
> it from
> underneath there is a nylon fastener, above the fastener the frame of
> the typing
> unit also has a hole in it. ?Common practice is to put a large 1 inch
> or larger fender
> washer on a #10 sheet metal screw that is 1 1/4 inch long. ?The screw
> is placed
> from under and snugged up to keep the typing unit in place during
> shipping.
>
> The problem with the 33 and 32 machines is that they are very very top
> heavy.
> The best way to ship them is by putting them on a small pallet and
> drilling holes
> thru the pallet where the adjustable feet are. ?You can then use the
> feet as bolts
> to secure the machine after removing the rubber pads.
>
> Another way to ship one of these machines is to remove the pedestal
> (stand)
> completely and ship it separately from the rest of the machine. ?Any
> one of these
> steps need to be made carefully with patience as if the machine is not
> secured
> well you will receive it in pieces. ?They damage very easily.
>
> There are folks that after spending hundreds of dollars do not trust
> the freight
> companies and go pick the machines up themselves. ?That is exactly
> what I did
> when I picked up my 32 ASR in Indiana.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
> On 25 Aug 2010, at 3:33 PM, Aaron Nabil wrote:
>
> I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda
> nice, I
> for giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go
> for, you
> know, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.
> Oops.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218
>
>
> What is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?
> Last
> time I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
> standard worked well. ?So maybe a set of screws and some washers? ?I
> don't
> want him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.
>
> It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there
> were I
> think some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve
> with a
> flange at one end.
>
> Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?
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From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 26 14:36:41 2010
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (David Bonamo)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:36:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] For Sale Serial Card
Message-ID: <148463.8650.qm@web180403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Not sure if anyone has a need for these or not, I know several new computers lack a standard serial port and/or parallel port.  I have several 1 Serial 1 Parallel cards that recently received in a lot, there in new condition.  Specs can be found at

http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=LP-P11011-S6

They retail for about 35.00-50.00.


If anyone is interested I am selling for 12.00 shipped. (US FREE SHIP ONLY) 

Thanks 

David
N3BAF


From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 15:47:20 2010
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (scottjohnson1 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:47:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
In-Reply-To: <4C769A81.1080606@animats.com>
Message-ID: <20100826154720.58DSH.610525.imail@fed1rmwml31>

A salient point to be made here:  
Most good solid state relays do not use a Triac, they use two SCRs connected in reverse parallel.  The performance 
is much better than that of a triac, especially whan used for phase control at low settings.  It doesn't change the point John made, though.

Scott W7SVJ

---- John Nagle <nagle at animats.com> wrote: 
> On 8/26/2010 9:00 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:59:28 -0400
> > From: "Larry Tighe"<larryradio at att.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Solid State relays
> > To: "Roy Morgan"<k1lky at earthlink.net>,	<hunybuny at eskimo.com>
> > Cc:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> > Message-ID:<5DD73EA1635949CBB1468352014DD1E4 at ljt>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > 	reply-type=response
> >
> > Hi Roy,
> >
> > My only question was why it was keying the 3 VDC of the ohmmeter and not the
> > 130 VDC, 60 ma loop.  That had miffed me.  I did receive an explanation,
> > didn't understand it, and so, I guess, it's not a problem now.
> 
>     OK, here's the theory.  See pages 23-24  of
> 
> 	http://www.veech.com/index_files/Triac%20Theory.PDF
> 
> especially figure 2-16.  Note that a triac is a linear device near
> zero current, so to an ohmmeter, it behaves much like a transistor.
> But that's not its useful operating range.  If there's sufficient
> current through the device anode after triggering, above the holding
> current Ih, the device will go into conduction and stay there
> until the anode current through the device drops below Ih.  That's
> why these devices are good AC switches, but not useful for DC.
> 
>      Ih isn't that big; 5 ma is enough to hold most small triacs in
> conduction.  But an ohmmeter is below that.   Try switching a flashlight 
> bulb and a battery with the device and watch it
> trigger and stay in conduction.
> 
> 				John Nagle
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 27 11:49:42 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:49:42 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop Supply
Message-ID: <C93562F7C3804F8FA83A6F6BD376DF6D@sandel.local>

See ebay 370425015234.

 

These are the world's greatest easy to use loop supplies - turn it up to
150v and set the current you want. foolproof.

 

I've bought a few of these over the years.  $60 is a good price.

 

Gerry

AD6MC


From teletypeparts at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 16:59:53 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:59:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
 what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinuD9v8kP+mOKUEDy6Y0ON0qJH+vooSh=M-jupt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD1378C3A41200-F1C-1409@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com>



Aaron,

Attached are pictures of how I pack one up in a special crate.  Separate the stand from the unit.  Shipping of the stand is not too critical.  Remove the feet if you can.  You can pack all the accessories in the stand for easier shipping of the main unit.  You only use sheet metal screws on the right sideof the 33 that go into the UCC-6 electronics.  Mainly you use the 3 threaded ones you mention with the standoffs above the board.  They go into the printer and hold it in place as well as the whole unit.  Tricky to get them in, but use patience.  Some units did have all sheet metal screws, but mostly early ones.  Also tie the carriage to the left with a twister tie or pipe cleaner.  

Looks like a nice unit.  

73's,

Wayne





-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Nabil <krellboy at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:33 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33, what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?


I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda nice, I
or giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go for, you
now, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.  Oops.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218

hat is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?  Last
ime I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
tandard worked well.  So maybe a set of screws and some washers?  I don't
ant him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.
It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there were I
hink some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve with a
lange at one end.
Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?
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From larryradio at att.net  Sat Aug 28 21:32:55 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio at att.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:32:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <06840AA02EE54108ACCC9D62C28D255F@dell3000>

OT but very techie,

An incredible German invention....GPS controlled helicopter

From larryradio at att.net  Sat Aug 28 21:36:00 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio at att.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:36:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] http://tinyurl.com/GPS-Helicopter
Message-ID: <F1931E225E2A4A7D9CE9B836739E4282@dell3000>

http://tinyurl.com/GPS-Helicopter

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sat Aug 28 22:04:19 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:04:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] OFF TOPIC
In-Reply-To: <06840AA02EE54108ACCC9D62C28D255F@dell3000>
References: <06840AA02EE54108ACCC9D62C28D255F@dell3000>
Message-ID: <4C79C023.8020706@suddenlink.net>

  On 8/28/2010 8:32 PM, larryradio at att.net wrote:
> OT but very techie,
>
> An incredible German invention....GPS controlled helicopter
You know, that's just a bit obscene. ;-)

Back in 1978 I built the power supplies for the first GPS constellation.
The first GPS receivers were about the same size and weight of a
microwave oven. And cost nearly $250K.

Fast forward 10 years, I built the telemetry system for the first RPVs.
(Remote piloted vehicles.)

And now this. Sweet. If I wasn't too broke to even PAY attention, I'd
want one of these to play with.

Guess I'll have to just be content to sit and read the news via ITTY on
my old Lorenz TTY machine.

There, see...back on topic. ;-)

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From milgram at cgpp.com  Sun Aug 29 09:55:16 2010
From: milgram at cgpp.com (milgram at cgpp.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:55:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
	what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:59:53 EDT."
	<8CD1378C3A41200-F1C-1409@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1819.1283090116@tcraft.cgpp.com>


My 2 cents, having done this recently.

Before you do anything else, remove the plastic cover. This is probably
easily broken and unrepairable. Might want to pack it/ship it
separately.

>From the pics on the ebay site, it looks like there's no pedestal, but
the second photo shows the two clips that hold the unit onto the
pedestal, so unclear if there's a pedestal or not. If there is, if you
remove the printing unit, keep in mind that it's not balanced on the
pedestal, so after the last of the four screws comes out, and then the
two clips in the back, you'd better have someone supporting the front of
the keyboard.

good luck!

Judah

teletypeparts at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Aaron,
> 
> Attached are pictures of how I pack one up in a special crate.  Separate the stand from the unit.  Shipping of the stand is not too critical.  Remove the feet if you can.  You can pack all the accessories in the stand for easier shipping of the main unit.  You only use sheet metal screws on the right sideof the 33 that go into the UCC-6 electronics.  Mainly you use the 3 threaded ones you mention with the standoffs above the board.  They go into the printer and hold it in place as well as the whole unit.  Tricky to get them in, but use patience.  Some units did have all sheet metal screws, but mostly early ones.  Also tie the carriage to the left with a twister tie or pipe cleaner.  
> 
> Looks like a nice unit.  
> 
> 73's,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Nabil <krellboy at gmail.com>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:33 pm
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33, what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
> 
> 
> I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda nice, I
> or giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go for, you
> now, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.  Oops.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218
> 
> hat is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?  Last
> ime I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
> tandard worked well.  So maybe a set of screws and some washers?  I don't
> ant him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.
> It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there were I
> hink some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve with a
> lange at one end.
> Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Sun Aug 29 13:51:01 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:51:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33,
 what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?
In-Reply-To: <1819.1283090116@tcraft.cgpp.com>
Message-ID: <8CD15B9E0A229FC-1FBC-181FB@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>


To remove a 33 from the pedestal without help, you take out the two front screws and the right rear one (standing in the back of the unit).  Then loosen the left rear one slightly and pick up on the 33 slightly and turn it clockwise 1/8 turn or so till its balanced on the stand.  Then remove the last screw.  Install on a pedestal in reverse order except its hard to line up that first screw.  Always pick a 33 up from the back when possible.  Less chance of damage to kybd and tape reader.  

Wayne






-----Original Message-----
From: milgram at cgpp.com
To: teletypeparts at aol.com
Cc: krellboy at gmail.com; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33, what is the best current practice for securing for shipment?



y 2 cents, having done this recently.
Before you do anything else, remove the plastic cover. This is probably
asily broken and unrepairable. Might want to pack it/ship it
eparately.
>From the pics on the ebay site, it looks like there's no pedestal, but
he second photo shows the two clips that hold the unit onto the
edestal, so unclear if there's a pedestal or not. If there is, if you
emove the printing unit, keep in mind that it's not balanced on the
edestal, so after the last of the four screws comes out, and then the
wo clips in the back, you'd better have someone supporting the front of
he keyboard.
good luck!
Judah
teletypeparts at aol.com wrote:
> 
 
 Aaron,
 
 Attached are pictures of how I pack one up in a special crate.  Separate the 
tand from the unit.  Shipping of the stand is not too critical.  Remove the 
eet if you can.  You can pack all the accessories in the stand for easier 
hipping of the main unit.  You only use sheet metal screws on the right sideof 
he 33 that go into the UCC-6 electronics.  Mainly you use the 3 threaded ones 
ou mention with the standoffs above the board.  They go into the printer and 
old it in place as well as the whole unit.  Tricky to get them in, but use 
atience.  Some units did have all sheet metal screws, but mostly early ones.  
lso tie the carriage to the left with a twister tie or pipe cleaner.  
 
 Looks like a nice unit.  
 
 73's,
 
 Wayne
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Aaron Nabil <krellboy at gmail.com>
 To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:33 pm
 Subject: [GreenKeys] Oops, I got an ASR-33, what is the best current practice 
or securing for shipment?
 
 
 I sort of accidentally picked up this ASR-33 on ebay, looks kinda nice, I
 or giggles I put $399 into my autobidder fully expecting it to go for, you
 now, $2000 or something, but I guess I got unlucky and now I own it.  Oops.
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280551550218
 
 hat is the best current practice for securing the typing mechanism?  Last
 ime I played with one they seemed to be self-tapping screws, nothing
 tandard worked well.  So maybe a set of screws and some washers?  I don't
 ant him to over-tighten them and crush the unit down.
 It's possible I have an original fiberboard here someplace, but there were I
 hink some little round standoffs as well, sort of a little sleeve with a
 lange at one end.
 Does anyone have an original shipping mount they could lend me?
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From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 29 21:07:15 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:07:15 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 7036 unknown signals
In-Reply-To: <06840AA02EE54108ACCC9D62C28D255F@dell3000>
References: <06840AA02EE54108ACCC9D62C28D255F@dell3000>
Message-ID: <4C7B0443.8010607@roadrunner.com>

  Another signal that I don't recognize on 7036 - two or more stations 
exchanging transmissions of a very narrow shift FSK.  Any idea what this is?

From k9tty at dls.net  Sun Aug 29 21:53:49 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:53:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M32 FAN NEEDED...
Message-ID: <D46939DE-A5A8-4F79-81E0-6DF9B8EC03B5@dls.net>

Friends,

I need a One (1) Fan Part Number 181151

Which is the fan for the model 32 or 33 60Hz motor.

Please let me know if you have one of these, or know of a suitable  
replacement.

Many thanks,
Don
K9TTY



From steveripper at comcast.net  Mon Aug 30 09:53:26 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (steveripper at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:53:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M32 FAN NEEDED...
In-Reply-To: <D46939DE-A5A8-4F79-81E0-6DF9B8EC03B5@dls.net>
Message-ID: <623678042.568235.1283176406805.JavaMail.root@sz0142a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Don: 

Based on my inventory list it says I have 5 of these available. Problem is that I am currently in China and will not return until 9/10/2010. If you can wait, I will send it out the weekend of 9/10. 

Steve Ripper 
Howell,Michigan 48843 
steveripper at comcast.net 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net> 
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:53:49 PM 
Subject: [GreenKeys] M32 FAN NEEDED... 

Friends, 

I need a One (1) Fan Part Number 181151 

Which is the fan for the model 32 or 33 60Hz motor. 

Please let me know if you have one of these, or know of a suitable 
replacement. 

Many thanks, 
Don 
K9TTY 


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From nutz460olds at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 31 11:51:57 2010
From: nutz460olds at yahoo.com (Scott Clark)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:51:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 for sale?
Message-ID: <502394.6452.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey guys,
My first post here, but I've been reading for quite a while.  It's pretty 
amazing the sheer wealth of knowledge on this list...I'm sure when I finally get 
a machine, I'll have plenty of questions about getting it working.  I've been 
looking for a Model 15 KSR for a while, but haven't found anything locally (or 
even kind of locally).  Someone posted a CL ad over in Indiana about one, and I 
sent the owner a message about it...she said I could have it for free if I came 
and got it.  Only problem is I'm in Montana...  I asked her if she would 
consider shipping it if I paid her to pack it, and she responded that she's got 
a neighbor who'll put it on line to sell (I'm guessing e-bay), and that she'd 
let me know when it went up, so that's still a possibility.  Don't really know 
what condition it's in, and she didn't really know enough to say, other than she 
removed a mouse nest from it.
At any rate, I'm just kind of looking for a machine that's complete and can be 
made to work.  I don't mind doing the cleanup and all that (heck, that's half 
the fun!).  Definitely not looking for a museum piece...just something I can 
make work and enjoy.  If you have anything, feel free to send me an e-mail with 
the details.  

In the mean time, I'll keep reading and learning...thanks to everyone here for 
sharing.  The RTTY community seems like a great bunch.
Thanks,
Scott



      

From bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 31 18:13:49 2010
From: bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:13:49 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] change of address and e-mail address
Message-ID: <BAY152-ds422287F491BB0C0868782A98A0@phx.gbl>

Since I moved out of Hawaii, I now have a new domicile and am an official Illinoisan.

FINALLY

My new e-mail is bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com
!!!!

remove any reference to Hawaii and roadrunner

Thanks all

Now to meet some of the locals!!

Don where are you located?  and any other northern Illinois hams, contact me for an eye to eye coffee.


 I am just south of Rockford

Ray Cote

