From larryradio at att.net  Wed Dec  1 19:35:51 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:35:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-74A Rebirth
Message-ID: <F2FDFB4959CA41C7993BD8B939CA5C94@d2400>

My UGC-74A is slowly coming back to health.


The 74A was not the preferred TTY....the "B" model seems much friendlier....no revolving drum and 88 little hammers beating on the rotating drum.

I had stuck hammers and was pumping cleaner and WD 40 into the stuck ones hoping to free them.  No good.  Finally took the entire hammer assembly challenge....removed some of the cover panels and it turns out there are 4 hammers on each of the 22 similar cards...a piece of cake job.

I pulled all of them out, cleaned the mechanicals with paint thinner and now they're working perfectly.  The paint thinner seems to have cleared out the dissolved infamous platen goo.

It seems this machine will now be dependable and do what she was designed to do.  I think the 74A does have potential and should be a lot of fun over the years.  They are definitely salvageable after the platen "melts" :>)  Please don't junk them anymore ! ! ! ! 

lar
K2JIA

From k9tty at dls.net  Wed Dec  1 20:47:39 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:47:39 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Retr0Bright Recipe
Message-ID: <C3320201-01C8-42FC-8318-8EEC71C38E38@dls.net>

Here is the link for the recipe for the Retr0Bright plastic treatment...

http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/Retr0Bright+Gel

From nagle at animats.com  Thu Dec  2 13:52:06 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:52:06 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.123.1291309270.14087.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.123.1291309270.14087.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4CF7EAD6.2000003@animats.com>

On 12/2/2010 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> From: "Larry Tighe"<larryradio at att.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-74A
> Rebirth To: "Greenkeys Greenkeys"<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:<F2FDFB4959CA41C7993BD8B939CA5C94 at d2400> Content-Type:
> text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> My UGC-74A is slowly coming back to health.
>
>
> The 74A was not the preferred TTY....the "B" model seems much
> friendlier....no revolving drum and 88 little hammers beating on the
> rotating drum.
>
> I had stuck hammers and was pumping cleaner and WD 40 into the stuck
> ones hoping to free them.  No good.  Finally took the entire hammer
> assembly challenge....removed some of the cover panels and it turns
> out there are 4 hammers on each of the 22 similar cards...a piece of
> cake job.
>
> I pulled all of them out, cleaned the mechanical with paint thinner
> and now they're working perfectly.  The paint thinner seems to have
> cleared out the dissolved infamous platen goo.
>
> It seems this machine will now be dependable and do what she was
> designed to do.  I think the 74A does have potential and should be a
> lot of fun over the years.  They are definitely salvageable after the
> platen "melts" :>)  Please don't junk them anymore ! ! ! !

    That's good to know.

    WD-40 is all wrong for cleaning out small machinery.  It can help
loosen stuck bolts, but it leaves so much gunk behind that precision
machinery will bind.  Simple Green is a good mild cleaner, cheap
enough you can immerse whole mechanisms in it, and not hazardous,
so it doesn't present disposal problems afterwards.  Also, it evaporates 
(at the same rate as water), so there's no residue to
remove.  Unlike kerosene.
See "http://www.aetherltd.com/refurbishing.html"

    For actual lubrication, a non-detergent synthetic motor oil
is good.  5W-20 is about the right weight.  Lucas Tacky Red
Grease is useful on the open gear trains; it's sticky enough not
to be thrown off the gears by centrifugal force.  Both are
standard items at large auto supply outlets.

					John Nagle


From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec  2 14:56:03 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:56:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-74A
References: <mailman.123.1291309270.14087.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4CF7EAD6.2000003@animats.com>
Message-ID: <26CDE9EEFC5D4F4D98BCC711F1BD7444@d2400>

Thanks for the advice on the WD-40 John,

It was an act-of-desperation to solve the stuck mechanisms.  Once
I removed all the hammers, it was very clean inside.  I did use Simple
Green on a damp cloth to clean up the insides.  The machine was 
virtually "new" but for the platen melt-down.

Thanks again for your input,
Lar

===========================================
  I think the 74A does have potential and should be a
>> lot of fun over the years.  They are definitely salvageable after the
>> platen "melts" :>)  Please don't junk them anymore ! ! ! !
> 
>    That's good to know.
> 
>    WD-40 is all wrong for cleaning out small machinery.  It can help
> loosen stuck bolts, but it leaves so much gunk behind that precision
> machinery will bind.  

From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Dec  3 00:23:40 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 23:23:40 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...
References: <2F341B9A-E040-4C70-A409-A0E3F4C36B40@dls.net>
Message-ID: <9E255304-E955-484B-82B0-E5620CD449DA@dls.net>


I had a small adventure the other evening.  I have been going through
all of the boxes we moved here with from California. Our schedule was
very hurried trying to close on both homes on schedule and get all of
our things moved. The moving van acrually left before we had all of
the boxes loaded. So what was left we packed as best we could and
took it to my former work-place where I asked for our final boxes to
be shipped to our new address.

All of this made the arrival of boxes a real puzzle as we had very
little idea of what was where.  I went through a box that I had been
in previously thinking the books I was looking for might be in there
somewhere.  Being more enthusiastic than usual I took everything out
and found a lot of crushed paper followed by a large wad of stranded
paper... followed by the sight of the bottom of a base for a Model 28
KSR Teletype machine.  I was surprised but not quite as surprised
as the mouse that was living in there. At any rate the mouse made a
huge jump and went somewhere unknown.  Time for DeCon..!

I pulled out the base to find it was in pretty good shape... and
found it had a 75-100-60 wpm gear shift installed.  So after much
cleaning and liberal use of Liquid Wrench the gear shift is working
again.  I put it in my trusty 28KSR cabinet and mounted a typing
unit.  It prints iTTY just fine, however I do not like the sound of
the all-steel gear shift.  The base I normally have in the cabinet
has a 67-100-60 all nylon gear shift and is nice and smooth and
quiet.  As much as I would like to sub the 67 for 75 wpm I think I
will go back to the nylon shifter.

I have to go now and buy some DeCon... should have done that
when the critter ate all the wires in my ST-6 terminal unit...

Too soon old and too late smart.

Don
K9TTY


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  3 11:19:28 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:19:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...
In-Reply-To: <9E255304-E955-484B-82B0-E5620CD449DA@dls.net>
References: <2F341B9A-E040-4C70-A409-A0E3F4C36B40@dls.net>
	<9E255304-E955-484B-82B0-E5620CD449DA@dls.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012031018470.2299@Frances>

I use mouse traps baited with Reese's peanut butter cups.  That seems
to nail them every time.


From larryradio at att.net  Fri Dec  3 12:28:24 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:28:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...
References: <2F341B9A-E040-4C70-A409-A0E3F4C36B40@dls.net><9E255304-E955-484B-82B0-E5620CD449DA@dls.net>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012031018470.2299@Frances>
Message-ID: <CF83EE73F37542D9B7B5B2ABA69C36A1@ljt>

Quite the REVERSE, Jim,

I was starting to eat a Reeses a few months ago....didn't seem to "melt" 
correctly....I spit it out into the sink...seems the dead mouse in the 
Reeses trapped me! ! ! !

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...


>I use mouse traps baited with Reese's peanut butter cups.  That seems
> to nail them every time.
>
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Dec  4 11:27:14 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:27:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
Message-ID: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item # 
300497861897) for $20.50...

Is this a reasonable price to pay?

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From nerd at verizon.net  Sat Dec  4 11:32:23 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:32:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4CFA6D17.6060208@verizon.net>

Seems alright, but "reasonable" is in the eye of the (soon to be) beholder.

...Peter



On 12/4/2010 11:27 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item #
> 300497861897) for $20.50...
>
> Is this a reasonable price to pay?
>
> Dave
>
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
>
>
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From tty at lu8aja.com.ar  Sat Dec  4 14:57:09 2010
From: tty at lu8aja.com.ar (Javier Albinarrate (LU8AJA-TTY))
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:57:09 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] HeavyMetal question
Message-ID: <FA2F086DFD2E44BF9DF8E7BECFA0AA50@michelle>

Hi Guys,

    By chance is anybody available, with interfase in hand, for debuging the software tomorrow Sunday afternoon?
    I need to troubleshoot some problems that were found.
    Regards!
Javier

From steveripper at comcast.net  Sat Dec  4 15:10:52 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:10:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <000501cb93ef$5b4b27f0$11e177d0$@net>

Dave:

Looks like a nice unit for $20. Since you are in Canada I would assume the
shipping cost is much lower. For us poor folks down south in the USA the
shipping cost alone is quoted at $36.40 which kept me from bidding on this
unit. This is another piece being sold by Marc for his father. I met both of
them at their home in Burlington when I purchased two Model 28 machines and
some other nice pieces back on November 1st. Very nice people and I would
not hesitate to purchase from them in the future. One of his father's last
jobs was in charge of Teletype service operations for the Canadian National
Railway.

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hunter
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:27 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder

Hi All:

I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item # 
300497861897) for $20.50...

Is this a reasonable price to pay?

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net


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From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec  4 16:41:50 2010
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:41:50 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...
References: <mailman.97.1291482083.5054.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <7B5306D7839E49C2AB8F7C15793F47D0@JamesTanton>

 My grandpa chewed Brown Mule Plug Tobbacco.  One time he tried
forever to bite off a piece, with no success.  He got his knife and
cut into it. He found there was pieces of a rat packed with the tobbaco.
  Since that time until he died he chewed Copenhagen.  As years past,
I quite smoking and started Copenhagen.  I since went to Stoker's
White Lightning Flavor.  It is not bad flavor.  They come in a 1 lb. bag.
  It lasts me a long time instead of the Copepenhagen can.  And the
Stoker's is cheaper too.
  Don,  sorry to hear about your ST-6 chewed up.  Do you have a
photo?  Greenkers might want to see what the mouse did.
                                               James
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:28:24 -0500
> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...
> To: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>, "Don Robert House"
> <k9tty at dls.net>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <CF83EE73F37542D9B7B5B2ABA69C36A1 at ljt>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> 
> Quite the REVERSE, Jim,
> 
> I was starting to eat a Reeses a few months ago....didn't seem to "melt" 
> correctly....I spit it out into the sink...seems the dead mouse in the 
> Reeses trapped me! ! ! !
> 
> lar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> To: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>
> Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old man has an adventure...
> 
> 
>>I use mouse traps baited with Reese's peanut butter cups.  That seems
>> to nail them every time.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________


From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 17:08:14 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:08:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the Las Vegas
	area
Message-ID: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Greenkeyers:

There is a Model 15 KSR available on Craigslist in the Las Vegas NV
area.  There are pictures with the ad and it shows the machine 
housed in a non-standard cover.  There is a table with the machine
but it also appears to be non-standard.
Here is the link:

   http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/clt/2068281267.html

(The area code for Las Vegas is 702.)

Regards, Jerry Murphy






From larryradio at att.net  Sat Dec  4 17:13:42 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:13:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the Las
	Vegasarea
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <730C3D82F55B4FA396F1DCE8D5C5A145@d2400>

That's called a "mailbox" cabinet....I've got several both KSR and 
RO.....they're nice.

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gfmurphy at earthlink.net>
To: "Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the Las 
Vegasarea


>
> Greenkeyers:
>
> There is a Model 15 KSR available on Craigslist in the Las Vegas NV
> area.  There are pictures with the ad and it shows the machine
> housed in a non-standard cover.  There is a table with the machine
> but it also appears to be non-standard.
> Here is the link:
>
>   http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/clt/2068281267.html
>
> (The area code for Las Vegas is 702.)
>
> Regards, Jerry Murphy


From chrise at pobox.com  Sat Dec  4 18:19:59 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:19:59 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <20101204231959.GN19168@n0jcf.net>

I have one of these but instead of being electric, it is mechanical and
wound like an old clock with a key.

Mine is missing the wheel that the tape winds onto however.  I just have
a round flat plate with the roughly 1/2" square center stud sticking out,
which has spring loaded ball bearings that I assume the wheel snaps over.

When you get yours, maybe I could talk you into taking some pictures of
the wheel assy so that I might see about having one made.

73, Chris N0JCF

On Saturday (12/04/2010 at 12:27PM -0400), Dave Hunter wrote:
> Hi All:
> 
> I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item # 
> 300497861897) for $20.50...
> 
> Is this a reasonable price to pay?
> 
> Dave
> 
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
> 
> 
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-- 
Chris Elmquist


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Dec  4 19:13:05 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:13:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <20101204231959.GN19168@n0jcf.net>
References: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<20101204231959.GN19168@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <4CFAA0D1.24601.2F4DC39@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Chris:

I might be able to do more.... What diameter is the side 
you have? I have a spool for tape amongst my various parts 
here which might fit it, but I will have to check it. It 
may be too large...

Dave

On 4 Dec 2010 at 17:19, Chris Elmquist wrote:

> I have one of these but instead of being electric, it is
> mechanical and wound like an old clock with a key.
> 
> Mine is missing the wheel that the tape winds onto however. 
> I just have a round flat plate with the roughly 1/2" square
> center stud sticking out, which has spring loaded ball
> bearings that I assume the wheel snaps over.
> 
> When you get yours, maybe I could talk you into taking some
> pictures of the wheel assy so that I might see about having
> one made.
> 
> 73, Chris N0JCF
> 
> On Saturday (12/04/2010 at 12:27PM -0400), Dave Hunter
> wrote: > Hi All: > > I just won a teletype tape winder on
> eBay (Item # > 300497861897) for $20.50... > > Is this a
> reasonable price to pay? > > Dave > > Amateur Radio Station
> VY2AC on Prince Edward Island > Website:
> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac > E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net > > >
> ____________________________________________________________
> __ > GreenKeys mailing list > Home:
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys > Help:
> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post:
> mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by:
> http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list:
> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> 
> -- 
> Chris Elmquist
> 
> 



Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sat Dec  4 19:23:05 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:23:05 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] a somber thought...
Message-ID: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>

Are your collections taken care of in your estate?
Are their people designated to attend to them?
Or are your wives just going to sigh a collective
sigh of relief of call the scrap yards?

There's a LOT of history, hardware and paperwork
out there. What is going to happen to it when we're
gone?

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From k1lky at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 21:35:36 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:35:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <7FF9094B-F9F8-42E8-8258-C8A1FC96EA3E@earthlink.net>


On Dec 4, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item #
> 300497861897) for $20.50...
>
> Is this a reasonable price to pay?

Dave,

Yes, *I* would be happy to pay that plus reasonable shipping for it.   
I have a hand crank one here in storage.

Re: the tape spool hole size.  if I remember right, the tape spool has  
the same square hole as found on 16 mm film reels.  Don't have one  
made before you explore finding a film reel first.

Roy


Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!




From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Dec  4 21:46:23 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:46:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <7FF9094B-F9F8-42E8-8258-C8A1FC96EA3E@earthlink.net>
References: <4CFA33A2.11815.14A5B59@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<7FF9094B-F9F8-42E8-8258-C8A1FC96EA3E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4CFAC4BF.6644.38134EF@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Roy:

Thankfully, mine is complete with reel, but Chris N0JCF has 
a manual one without  reel. I told him I would check out a 
reel I have in the museum - hopefully it will fit his and 
make it complete...

Dave

On 4 Dec 2010 at 21:35, Roy Morgan wrote:

> 
> On Dec 4, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:
> 
> > Hi All:
> >
> > I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item #
> > 300497861897) for $20.50...
> >
> > Is this a reasonable price to pay?
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Yes, *I* would be happy to pay that plus reasonable shipping
> for it.   I have a hand crank one here in storage.
> 
> Re: the tape spool hole size.  if I remember right, the tape
> spool has  the same square hole as found on 16 mm film
> reels.  Don't have one  made before you explore finding a
> film reel first.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> Roy Morgan
> k1lky at earthlink.net
> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
> 
> 
> 
> 



Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Sat Dec  4 23:37:34 2010
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 22:37:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] a somber thought...
In-Reply-To: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>
References: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <14306.67.142.130.24.1291523854.squirrel@9-5usa.org>

> There's a LOT of history, hardware and paperwork
> out there. What is going to happen to it when we're
> gone?
>
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi

Very true, and definitely some sober ideas to think about.  I think I know
how *my* wife feels about all this "stuff" and what to do with it when I'm
gone!  ;-)  However, since I am probably one of the youngest, if not *the*
youngest person on the list (I am *always* the "baby" in any group I
belong to) I have to wonder if *anyone* will care about saving much of
this equipment and information in 25-30+ years.  The museums likely have
as much as they want and/or can handle now.  An "oral history" project,
though, might be a really good idea.   With budgets stretched ever
thinner, and the museums and archives always on the low end of the totem
pole, very few will have the wherewithal to care for much of the equipment
or archive the documents.  The Teletypes/teleprinters will likely end up
like steam locomotives today which are preserved, and operated, in a few
locations by dedicated devotees.

Kevin
W5TTY (since 10/23/10; formerly KE5CQJ)


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec  5 01:35:12 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 00:35:12 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] a somber thought...
In-Reply-To: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>
References: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <4CFB32A0.9060100@bellsouth.net>

On 12/4/2010 6:23 PM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> Are your collections taken care of in your estate?
Yup.
> Are their people designated to attend to them?
Yup
> Or are your wives just going to sigh a collective
> sigh of relief of call the scrap yards?
The last thing I have to worry about is Sherry- she is more 
than competent to take care of my "things"...
> There's a LOT of history, hardware and paperwork
> out there. What is going to happen to it when we're
> gone?
>
Actually - radio wise- I don't have enough to be of any 
serious concern - certainly nothing of note.   TenderTale, 
on the other hand - is different.  There are several 
one-of-a-kind artifacts that would be a shame to loose - 
like the picture taken February 18, 1961 at the State Pier, 
New London, CT - a print of a truly historical occasion. 
That - along with the rest of the TenderTale collection - is 
in my (and Sherry's) will to go to the Naval Historical 
Center. Then it's their problem.

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun Dec  5 02:02:52 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 23:02:52 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the
	LasVegasarea
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<730C3D82F55B4FA396F1DCE8D5C5A145@d2400>
Message-ID: <000f01cb944a$7031e540$04000100@rttylaptop>

That is NOT the standard ugly Western Union Barfo Cabinet.  That cabinet is 
a RARIE!!!!

They have one which is similar in the Communications Museum in Seattle - Don 
House was the source. .

W7TTY 


From nagle at animats.com  Sun Dec  5 02:14:32 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 23:14:32 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23802.1291523860.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.23802.1291523860.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4CFB3BD8.6070102@animats.com>

On 12/4/2010 8:37 PM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 22:37:34 -0600 (CST)
> From:kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] a somber thought...
> To:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:<14306.67.142.130.24.1291523854.squirrel at 9-5usa.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>> >  There's a LOT of history, hardware and paperwork
>> >  out there. What is going to happen to it when we're
>> >  gone?
>> >
>> >  Jeff-1.0
>> >  wa6fwi
> Very true, and definitely some sober ideas to think about.  I think I know
> how*my*  wife feels about all this "stuff" and what to do with it when I'm
> gone!;-)   However, since I am probably one of the youngest, if not*the*
> youngest person on the list (I am*always*  the "baby" in any group I
> belong to) I have to wonder if*anyone*  will care about saving much of
> this equipment and information in 25-30+ years.  The museums likely have
> as much as they want and/or can handle now.  An "oral history" project,
> though, might be a really good idea.   With budgets stretched ever
> thinner, and the museums and archives always on the low end of the totem
> pole, very few will have the wherewithal to care for much of the equipment
> or archive the documents.  The Teletypes/teleprinters will likely end up
> like steam locomotives today which are preserved, and operated, in a few
> locations by dedicated devotees.
>
> Kevin
> W5TTY (since 10/23/10; formerly KE5CQJ)

     It's hard.  I hope someone picked up that mint-condition
Model 15 in New York.

     In response to the above, I just made sure that backup
copies of the Bitsavers copy of the Teletype Model 15 manuals
were archived to Webcitation and properly cited in Wikipedia.
That will keep them around.

     Google has already found those documents and OCRd them.
Try this: search Google for "typebar carriage of the Model 15".
That's a line from an old Teletype manual, which someone once
scanned in.  Google can find it.

     Keeping the older hardware going is quite possible.
I'm not a ham, and I never worked on Teletypes until two years ago.
I haven't found a Model 15 very difficult to deal with.  It helps
that the manuals are still available.  The
pre-electronic machines are quite straightforward.  Reviving
old electronics is much tougher.  My guess is that Model 15
machines will be running long after the last Dataspeed 40 has
died.  I doubt that there's an Inktronic running anywhere.

     Teletypes are too big and heavy to be a valuable collectible.
Old stock tickers, the little glass dome machines Edison designed,
sell for around $20,000.  At the other extreme, it's really tough
to find a home for a Linotype, even if free. Teletypes are in the
middle, and at least have positive value.

				John Nagle

From nagle at animats.com  Sun Dec  5 03:19:34 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 00:19:34 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 printing impact adjustment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23802.1291523860.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.23802.1291523860.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4CFB4B16.9070803@animats.com>

     I've had problems for some time with my Model 15 wearing out
ribbons too fast.  The keys were hitting the paper too hard.

     There's an adjustment for this, as it turns out.  See
"Printing Bail Spring Tension Adjustment" in the Adjustments
manual.  If you crank the screw out, reducing the spring tension,
the keys don't hit as hard.  Mine seemed to have been set to
a level suitable for pounding through multi-part carbon paper.
After turning it down, I'm still getting good print quality,
the ribbon isn't being chewed up, and the letters can't
be felt on the back side of the paper. (Except for "-", which
is still punching through.  Even "." doesn't do that.)
The adjusting screw has a lock nut and lock washer, like most
of the other adjustments.

     Ribbons, as I mention occasionally, are easy to get;
they're Nukote B76 Underwood typewriter ribbons, available
from Amazon.com.  They're nylon; the original ribbons
were cotton, and heavier duty.

				John Nagle

From j.backus at jita.demon.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 06:52:14 2010
From: j.backus at jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:52:14 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] a somber thought...
In-Reply-To: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>
References: <4CFADB69.9050800@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <4CFB7CEE.8050004@jita.demon.co.uk>

A good point. I've got a variety of old Creed equipment some of which 
may now be unique. I'd hope that a museum might take it but even they 
can be short of space. Definitely something to think of before the grim 
reaper comes calling.

Jim, G4PFJ

On 05/12/2010 00:23, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> Are your collections taken care of in your estate?
> Are their people designated to attend to them?
> Or are your wives just going to sigh a collective
> sigh of relief of call the scrap yards?
>
> There's a LOT of history, hardware and paperwork
> out there. What is going to happen to it when we're
> gone?
>
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
>
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From chrise at pobox.com  Sun Dec  5 13:50:39 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:50:39 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <4CFAC4BF.6644.38134EF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <7FF9094B-F9F8-42E8-8258-C8A1FC96EA3E@earthlink.net>
	<4CFAC4BF.6644.38134EF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <20101205185039.GF2567@n0jcf.net>

Hi Guys...

I sent some pictures of my winder to Dave off the list... and then
I've uploaded them here,

http://picasaweb.google.com/117891262011490779403/JHBunnellTapeWinder?authkey=Gv1sRgCOGJptH7kLDBmwE&feat=directlink

It was made by J.H. Bunnell & Co but there are no date marks on it of
any sort.

There is a 1/4" shaft that extends from the mechanism onto which is
attached a round plate, 6" in dia with a square stud 5/8" on a side
protruding from the center.  This stud has a set screw that grasps
the 1/4" shaft from the "motor" and then two ball bearings on opposite
sides out near the end.  I assume this is to grasp but allow easy install
and removal of the reel that the tape winds onto.

There is a wire arm that when pushed down, instantly stops the winder
from winding similar to how the pin in a music box stops the spring
mechanism from spinning, stopping the motor.

Chris N0JCF


On Saturday (12/04/2010 at 10:46PM -0400), Dave Hunter wrote:
> Hi Roy:
> 
> Thankfully, mine is complete with reel, but Chris N0JCF has 
> a manual one without  reel. I told him I would check out a 
> reel I have in the museum - hopefully it will fit his and 
> make it complete...
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 4 Dec 2010 at 21:35, Roy Morgan wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Dec 4, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > I just won a teletype tape winder on eBay (Item #
> > > 300497861897) for $20.50...
> > >
> > > Is this a reasonable price to pay?
> > 
> > Dave,
> > 
> > Yes, *I* would be happy to pay that plus reasonable shipping
> > for it.   I have a hand crank one here in storage.
> > 
> > Re: the tape spool hole size.  if I remember right, the tape
> > spool has  the same square hole as found on 16 mm film
> > reels.  Don't have one  made before you explore finding a
> > film reel first.
> > 
> > Roy
> > 
> > 
> > Roy Morgan
> > k1lky at earthlink.net
> > K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From larryradio at att.net  Sun Dec  5 14:21:51 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:21:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
References: <7FF9094B-F9F8-42E8-8258-C8A1FC96EA3E@earthlink.net><4CFAC4BF.6644.38134EF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<20101205185039.GF2567@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400>

That's a nice winder Chris....does it play holiday music?  :>)

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder


> Hi Guys...
>
> I sent some pictures of my winder to Dave off the list... and then
> I've uploaded them here,
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/117891262011490779403/JHBunnellTapeWinder?authkey=Gv1sRgCOGJptH7kLDBmwE&feat=directlink


From chrise at pobox.com  Sun Dec  5 15:24:03 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:24:03 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400>
References: <20101205185039.GF2567@n0jcf.net>
	<A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400>
Message-ID: <20101205202403.GV19168@n0jcf.net>

On Sunday (12/05/2010 at 02:21PM -0500), Larry Tighe wrote:
> That's a nice winder Chris....does it play holiday music?  :>)

No... and there's no dancing girl on the top either.

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From dmm at lemur.com  Sun Dec  5 17:12:32 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:12:32 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
Message-ID: <201012052203.DCF13714@rg6.cniteam.com>


Chris Elmquist wrote:
>When you get yours, maybe I could talk you into taking some pictures of
>the wheel assy so that I might see about having one made.

I don't know if this will help (or indeed if they're quite the same
unit), but here is the parts book for the Teletypesetter version:

http://www.archive.org/details/TeletypesetterBulletin57BTapeWindersParts196309

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From steveripper at comcast.net  Sun Dec  5 19:45:05 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:45:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <201012052203.DCF13714@rg6.cniteam.com>
References: <201012052203.DCF13714@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <000501cb94de$d4a08010$7de18030$@net>

Dave:

Thanks for that link. I had been looking for that very document. For
everyone else interested in tape handling equipment I have uploaded a
brochure to www.4shared.com. The title is "Teletype Tape Handling Equipment"
and is dated 1963. It contains information on all the available tape winders
at that time. Here is the direct link.

http://www.4shared.com/document/fbyqwul_/Teletype_Tape_Handling_Equipme.html

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dmm at lemur.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:13 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder


Chris Elmquist wrote:
>When you get yours, maybe I could talk you into taking some pictures of
>the wheel assy so that I might see about having one made.

I don't know if this will help (or indeed if they're quite the same
unit), but here is the parts book for the Teletypesetter version:

http://www.archive.org/details/TeletypesetterBulletin57BTapeWindersParts1963
09

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com &
www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold

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From Packard42 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 19:59:16 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:59:16 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the
	LasVegasarea
In-Reply-To: <000f01cb944a$7031e540$04000100@rttylaptop>
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<730C3D82F55B4FA396F1DCE8D5C5A145@d2400>
	<000f01cb944a$7031e540$04000100@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <9F022335-F731-4970-B4DE-E89EBB7B19D9@gmail.com>

Yes,

The LST that Perry works on has one too.  I hated to give it up, but I  
cannot
keep everything here to have it scrapped if something happens to me.   
I also
gave the museum the vintage WWII terminal unit to go with the machine.

I am restoring a 37 ASR this winter which will be shipped to the  
Communications
Museum when it is ready.  I will also be putting some things up for  
sale.
No one person should try to hoard all of the stuff because good homes  
are
sometimes hard to find for Teletype equipment. Also giving some of it  
new
homes provides more room for new additions.. he he he...

I am going to talk to two museums in the spring.  One is in Lake  
Geneva, WI
and the other is in Union, IL.  Both are well funded and prospering,  
which is
unusual these days.  I would like to put operating displays in them  
and give
a talk once in a while.  I miss being a docent at the San Diego Computer
Museum, which you all know is now in storage at the SDSU Library.

The rare cabinet George is writing about is really nice as it allows  
quick access
from the front to all the workings without having to move or take  
apart the parts
of the cabinet.  Jim Haynes and I suspect these were used in both  
ships and
communications rooms where space was at a minimum.

Best of the season to all,

Don
K9TTY


On 5 Dec 2010, at 1:02 AM, George B. Hutchison wrote:

That is NOT the standard ugly Western Union Barfo Cabinet.  That  
cabinet is
a RARIE!!!!

They have one which is similar in the Communications Museum in Seattle  
- Don
House was the source. .

W7TTY

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From steveripper at comcast.net  Sun Dec  5 20:00:38 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:00:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Siemens Perforator Help
Message-ID: <000601cb94e1$004d00b0$00e70210$@net>

Help Needed:

 

I recently acquired a Siemens perforator in excellent physical and
operational condition. I am extremely anal about having all the available
documentation for every piece of equipment I own. Since I have absolutely no
documentation for this perforator I looking for some help. My German is not
good, but I believe the model number to be 12A and the serial number is
2S-9975. I have no idea in what year this piece was manufactured. I have
uploaded a series of photos of the perforator to Google photos at the
following link. 

 

http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.ripper/SiemensPerforator?authkey=Gv1sRgCKm
Woearp97jYg#

 

Cheers,

 

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 


From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 20:29:31 2010
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony j. podrasky)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 17:29:31 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400>
References: <7FF9094B-F9F8-42E8-8258-C8A1FC96EA3E@earthlink.net><4CFAC4BF.6644.38134EF@dhunter.islandregister.com>	<20101205185039.GF2567@n0jcf.net>
	<A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400>
Message-ID: <4CFC3C7B.1080008@gmail.com>

Larry Tighe wrote:
> That's a nice winder Chris....does it play holiday music?  :>)
> 
> lar

Hey guys - I gotta tell yah this:

Back in the '70's I worked for a government defense contractor.
We built communications huts for the Air Force. One of the pieces
of equipment the hut containted was an ASCII photo-reader that
could stream or single-step characters.

I took 8 555 timers, tuned them to the music scale, and connected
it to the reader.

We loaded-up a tape and "read it".

Then, I cut a tape of the theme song of Laurel and Hardy.

We almost wet our pants!!!

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
                  |
                  |              Serious error.
                  |      All shortcuts have disappeared.
                  |       Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

From dmm at lemur.com  Sun Dec  5 21:05:55 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:05:55 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
Message-ID: <201012060156.AFF47776@rg7.cniteam.com>


Steve Ripper wrote:
>I have uploaded a
>brochure to www.4shared.com. The title is "Teletype Tape Handling Equipment"
>and is dated 1963. It contains information on all the available tape winders
>at that time.

Thanks!  I had no idea there were so many types.


Glad the TTS Bulletin 57B was of use.  Should you need any other TTS
docs, let me know.  I've scanned quite a few of them this past year
(one of my projects for long winter evenings now is to get them online).

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From chrise at pobox.com  Mon Dec  6 09:24:26 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:24:26 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <4CFC3C7B.1080008@gmail.com>
References: <20101205185039.GF2567@n0jcf.net>
	<A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400> <4CFC3C7B.1080008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101206142426.GB8657@n0jcf.net>

On Sunday (12/05/2010 at 05:29PM -0800), tony j. podrasky wrote:
> I took 8 555 timers, tuned them to the music scale, and connected
> it to the reader.
>
> We loaded-up a tape and "read it".
>
> Then, I cut a tape of the theme song of Laurel and Hardy.
>
> We almost wet our pants!!!

Excellent.  However you were probably infringing on several zillion
patents for multi-tonal modem modulation and/or spread spectrum
communication ;-)  Were any guys from Telebit coming after you?
or maybe Hedy Lamarr?

> Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
>                  |
>                  |              Serious error.
>                  |      All shortcuts have disappeared.
>                  |       Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

Hey, there's a great book on that kind of Haiku, 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00007FYIX/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From jfoust at threedee.com  Mon Dec  6 09:28:45 2010
From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:28:45 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the
 LasVegasarea
In-Reply-To: <9F022335-F731-4970-B4DE-E89EBB7B19D9@gmail.com>
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<730C3D82F55B4FA396F1DCE8D5C5A145@d2400>
	<000f01cb944a$7031e540$04000100@rttylaptop>
	<9F022335-F731-4970-B4DE-E89EBB7B19D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101206143221.8EE8088069@mailman.qth.net>

At 06:59 PM 12/5/2010, Don Robert House wrote:
>I am going to talk to two museums in the spring.  One is in Lake  
>Geneva, WI and the other is in Union, IL.  Both are well funded and prospering,  
>which is unusual these days. 

And which museums are those?

You'd think that someone in Skokie would want to leverage that
part of their heritage.

I can't help but think that if a museum could be persuaded to
preserve this history, that this mailing list group would have 
something to do with it.  If one museum can't be found, then 
make a list of the military/railroad/telecomm museums that would.

When someone passes, apart from the personal turmoil, the heirs or
those in charge of the estate are concerned with ease of cleanup 
and with reclaiming value.

If you think they'll want to empty the house and the garage, then 
pre-arrange a place to send the stuff and tell the heirs.  If you 
think someone wants to buy it, tell the heirs.  Put tags on the
device that say "Sells on eBay for $200".  That'll catch their eye.
Leave a note that says "If I pass, call Ernie at the radio club,
he'll handle all the teletype junk."

- John


From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 10:35:05 2010
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony j. podrasky)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:35:05 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Tape Winder
In-Reply-To: <20101206142426.GB8657@n0jcf.net>
References: <20101205185039.GF2567@n0jcf.net>	<A72E018B62284CC684693C7D90684D70@d2400>
	<4CFC3C7B.1080008@gmail.com> <20101206142426.GB8657@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <4CFD02A9.10409@gmail.com>

Hey Chris;

Now THAT would be an interesting book to read.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Chris Elmquist wrote:

>>Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
>>                 |
>>                 |              Serious error.
>>                 |      All shortcuts have disappeared.
>>                 |       Screen. Mind. Both are blank.
> 
> 
> Hey, there's a great book on that kind of Haiku, 
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00007FYIX/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
> 


-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | Back in my day we didn't have virtual reality or
                  | video games. If an axe-wielding one-eyed razorback
                  | barbarian warrior was chasing after you, you just
                  | had to hope you could outrun him.

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  6 11:08:24 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:08:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the
 LasVegasarea
In-Reply-To: <20101206143221.8EE8088069@mailman.qth.net>
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<730C3D82F55B4FA396F1DCE8D5C5A145@d2400>
	<000f01cb944a$7031e540$04000100@rttylaptop>
	<9F022335-F731-4970-B4DE-E89EBB7B19D9@gmail.com>
	<20101206143221.8EE8088069@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012060955300.2270@Frances>

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, John Foust wrote:

> You'd think that someone in Skokie would want to leverage that
> part of their heritage.
>
Skokie has a museum, which is located in an old fire house and is quite
small.  What they have on display is mostly fire equipment.  I asked
if they would be interested in Teletype stuff and they simply don't
have enough room for it.

I've also contacted Chicago History Museum several times.  The routine
there seems to be that if a curator on the staff gets interested in
something then they pursue it; so I haven't been able to stir up anyone
interested.

I'm told that Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago once had some
Teletype equipment.  I was there a few years ago - they had an exhibit
about the Internet, but no real equipment in sight.

Pioneer Village is a private museum in Minden Nebraska, has a little
bit of Teletype equipment but not much in the way of explanation about
what it does.

Har-Ber Village in NE Oklahoma is somewhat similiar to Pioneer Village
but less technological.

Antique Wireless Association is now accepting more stuff - for a long
time they had no place to put any of it.  Duncan Brown will tell us
more about it.

There's the Telecom museum in Seattle run by Telephone Pioneers.  I 
haven't seen it, but videos are quite impressive, and they have some
interest in Teletype equipment.

The computer history museum in Mountain View, Calif. seems to be big and
well funded and is starting to develop an interest in telegraphy, I'm
told.

There are lots of railroad museums around the country, some having Morse
telegraphy displays and maybe some limited Teletype.

There's a military electronics museum near the Baltimore-Washington
airport.  It seems to have been started by Westinghouse and continued
by Northrop-Grumman.  A great deal of emphasis on airborne radar and
countermeasures, but there are some elementary electrical exhibits, a
ham radio station, and a Teletype machine included in the displays.

Camp Evans in New Jersey, once a facility connected with Ft. Monmouth,
is being turned over to various community groups for museum and 
educational purposes.  It was originally a Marconi station.  There is
an antique radio section, and a military radio section that I'm aware of.
It's very much a work-in-progress.



From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 11:46:34 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:46:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the
	LasVegasarea
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012060955300.2270@Frances>
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<730C3D82F55B4FA396F1DCE8D5C5A145@d2400>
	<000f01cb944a$7031e540$04000100@rttylaptop>
	<9F022335-F731-4970-B4DE-E89EBB7B19D9@gmail.com>
	<20101206143221.8EE8088069@mailman.qth.net>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012060955300.2270@Frances>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7_U26GhO8WWv4Fvniy_vocEw3WFj1vVn78uw2@mail.gmail.com>

The Camp Evans / Ft. Monmouth site is
http://www.infoage.org/


On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, John Foust wrote:
>
>
> Camp Evans in New Jersey, once a facility connected with Ft. Monmouth,
> is being turned over to various community groups for museum and
> educational purposes. ?It was originally a Marconi station. ?There is
> an antique radio section, and a military radio section that I'm aware of.
> It's very much a work-in-progress.
>
>

From nagle at animats.com  Mon Dec  6 12:45:23 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:45:23 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Museums, Camp Evans
In-Reply-To: <mailman.89.1291654868.24540.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.89.1291654868.24540.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4CFD2133.8080703@animats.com>

On 12/6/2010 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, John Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Camp Evans in New Jersey, once a facility connected with Ft.
>>> Monmouth, is being turned over to various community groups for
>>> museum and educational purposes. ?It was originally a Marconi
>>> station. ?There is an antique radio section, and a military radio
>>> section that I'm aware of. It's very much a work-in-progress.

    That will give KPH something to work.

	http://radiomarine.org

     Maritime radio station KPH, in Marin, California, has been
preserved. This was an RCA marine radio station which was built on
Federal land, and so the Golden Gate National Recreation Area ended
up owning it when it shut down.  It's intact, with much of the
original equipment, most of which has been restored.  There are
sizable buildings and acres of antenna farm.

     The people doing the restoration applied to the FCC for a
maritime radio HF station license, and the FCC granted it.  So
they're a real maritime station, authorized far higher power than
ham stations, even though there are few stations to talk to.
They work various museum ships around the world, mostly. They're
on the air most Saturdays.

     They have a Teletype link with a Model 15 between the transmitter
and receiver sites, which are miles apart. They also have various
Morse perforator  devices and transmitters, which they actually
use.

     So there's a group which might accept equipment donations.

					John Nagle

From _dave.f at mail.com  Mon Dec  6 13:37:33 2010
From: _dave.f at mail.com (David Freeman)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:37:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the Las
	Vegas area
In-Reply-To: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CD638BC82B755E-1F64-5D36@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com>

 I have one like this one. Someone told me that they have a light weight carriage frame (aluminum?) to allow them to be used on board Navy ships. I guess the carriage needs to be light in order to return "up hill" if a wave is causing the ship to lean. The cabinet is much tighter fitting than the standard WU Mailbox. The table slides out so maintenance on the mechanism is possible.

Dave, WW8S

 



-----Original Message-----
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net
To: Greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 5:09 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the Las Vegas area

 
 
 
 
Greenkeyers: 
 
There is a Model 15 KSR available on Craigslist in the Las Vegas NV 
area.  There are pictures with the ad and it shows the machine  
housed in a non-standard cover.  There is a table with the machine 
but it also appears to be non-standard. 
Here is the link: 
 
   http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/clt/2068281267.html 
 
(The area code for Las Vegas is 702.) 
 
Regards, Jerry Murphy 
 
 
 
 
 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 13:59:10 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:59:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in the Las
	Vegas area
In-Reply-To: <8CD638BC82B755E-1F64-5D36@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com>
References: <30293221.1291500494208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<8CD638BC82B755E-1F64-5D36@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=qANPHkBfnSmpuVsxrR0iWcXfjCThxXE7CRSjC@mail.gmail.com>

US Navy TT-49/UG and TT-50/UG are Model 15's modified for shipboard
service "with aluminum side frames, a new carriage return assembly,
and lighter weight carriage parts. As a result of these modifications
they operate satisfactorily while tilted as much as 45 degrees."
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt49-01.jpg

TT-49/UG (synchronous motor) & TT-50/UG (governor motor)
components:
  BP149/247 typing unit
  BBK20OBJ/LD keyboard
  MU40 motor unit
  AC203BJ cabinet
  80437 gear set
  106965 set of spares

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM, David Freeman <_dave.f at mail.com> wrote:
> ?I have one like this one. Someone told me that they have a light weight carriage frame (aluminum?) to allow them to be used on board Navy ships. I guess the carriage needs to be light in order to return "up hill" if a wave is causing the ship to lean. The cabinet is much tighter fitting than the standard WU Mailbox. The table slides out so maintenance on the mechanism is possible.
>
> Dave, WW8S
>

From al at ar88.net  Mon Dec  6 14:30:52 2010
From: al at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:30:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Museums, Camp Evans
In-Reply-To: <4CFD2133.8080703@animats.com>
References: <mailman.89.1291654868.24540.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4CFD2133.8080703@animats.com>
Message-ID: <4CFD39EC.3040401@ar88.net>

That's us!

http://www.rtm.ar88.net/
http://www.infoage.org/

Regards,
Al

On 12/6/2010 12:45 PM, John Nagle wrote:
> On 12/6/2010 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>    
>>>> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, John Foust wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Camp Evans in New Jersey, once a facility connected with Ft.
>>>> Monmouth, is being turned over to various community groups for
>>>> museum and educational purposes. ?It was originally a Marconi
>>>> station. ?There is an antique radio section, and a military radio
>>>> section that I'm aware of. It's very much a work-in-progress.
>>>>          
>      That will give KPH something to work.
>
> 	http://radiomarine.org
>
>       Maritime radio station KPH, in Marin, California, has been
> preserved. This was an RCA marine radio station which was built on
> Federal land, and so the Golden Gate National Recreation Area ended
> up owning it when it shut down.  It's intact, with much of the
> original equipment, most of which has been restored.  There are
> sizable buildings and acres of antenna farm.
>
>       The people doing the restoration applied to the FCC for a
> maritime radio HF station license, and the FCC granted it.  So
> they're a real maritime station, authorized far higher power than
> ham stations, even though there are few stations to talk to.
> They work various museum ships around the world, mostly. They're
> on the air most Saturdays.
>
>       They have a Teletype link with a Model 15 between the transmitter
> and receiver sites, which are miles apart. They also have various
> Morse perforator  devices and transmitters, which they actually
> use.
>
>       So there's a group which might accept equipment donations.
>
> 					John Nagle
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  6 21:29:36 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:29:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] AWA Museum
Message-ID: <12717954.1291688976988.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


>
>Antique Wireless Association is now accepting more stuff - for a long
>time they had no place to put any of it.  Duncan Brown will tell us
>more about it.
>

After many years of a "zero population growth" policy, the Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum has had three buildings donated to it. A new museum with about 5 times the space of the old one is scheduled to open in the summer of 2013. (We have the building, but the former tenants are still in the process of moving out and then much renovation and building of new exhibits will be required.)

The AWA Museum in Bloomfield, NY (near Rochester) has about a dozen different types of teletypewriters, some from the original Teletype Corp Museum. The oldest unit we have is a Kleinschmidt Electric Co. Model 20A tape printer, c1920. Most of the units are working. We also have an operational AN/GRC-46A radioteletype shelter (c1960) and we are working on putting together an AN/GRC-142 radioteletype shelter (c1967).

Most of our collection has come from donations. If you have something you would like to donate, please contact me.  However, TTYs tend to be heavy, so getting it here can be a problem.  But if you have something very special or unique to donate, we will find a way.

Thanks & have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Communications Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/
http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm (old museum)
http://www.antiquewirelessmuseum.com (new museum)





From dmm at lemur.com  Tue Dec  7 13:23:34 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:23:34 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] another Model 28 manual online (Bob Erickson)
Message-ID: <201012071814.AFG41471@rg7.cniteam.com>


Bob Erickson recently had a friend of his scan a Model 28 manual
(Bell System Practices, circa 1953).
The results are online at:

http://ed-thelen.org/Teletype-28/index.html

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From sschlink at mindspring.com  Tue Dec  7 15:13:58 2010
From: sschlink at mindspring.com (Steve Schlink)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Museums - Vintage Radio and Communications Museum of
 Connecticut
In-Reply-To: <12717954.1291688976988.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.s
	a.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20101207150352.00c04e90@pop.mindspring.com>

http://www.vrcmct.org/

They have much more equipment in actual operation than most that I have seen.

Well worth a stop if you're heading up I-91.

Steve 


From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 21:01:43 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:01:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbons
Message-ID: <187f0.2ed7e09f.3a319287@aol.com>

Hi Gang:

I came across this place  that has Okidata 80/82 black Teletype ribbons for 
what I think is a very  reasonable price:  $1.69  Ea.

<http://www.neximaging.com/Product.asp?ID=5877>

I have  no interest in them except that I bought 6 of them and thought I 
would pass this  info along.

Tom Tillson  


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed Dec  8 22:17:41 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:17:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
Message-ID: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi all:

I just bought a ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483 
on eBay - 

"http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370462778
137"

Seems to me, if the shipping wasn't so expensive, it was a 
pretty good price. Is anyone familiar with these. Are they 
a good unit?

Dave, VY2AC

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From w2hx at w2hx.com  Wed Dec  8 22:44:05 2010
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:44:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb9753$57aa7620$06ff6260$@com>

Wow! Looks like that unit will do everything including make coffee! 

73 Eugene W2HX

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hunter
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:18 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483

Hi all:

I just bought a ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483 
on eBay - 

"http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370462778
137"

Seems to me, if the shipping wasn't so expensive, it was a 
pretty good price. Is anyone familiar with these. Are they 
a good unit?

Dave, VY2AC

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net


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From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 22:58:12 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:58:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbons
Message-ID: <4ab74.89cc704.3a31add4@aol.com>

A correction:
 
  If you should order the purple ribbons, they will send black.
 
  Tom
 
<_http://www.neximaging.com/Product.asp?ID=17344_ 
(http://www.neximaging.com/Product.asp?ID=17344) >

From Packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 00:28:42 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:28:42 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com>

David

The URL you posted is truncated...

here it is whole:
<http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370462778137>

Use the < and > to keep it together.

It looks great but I do not have any experience with this model.
Atlantic Research made a lot of good Telegraph Transmission Test Sets.
I have two here. Still work.  Even the batteries stay charged.


On 8 Dec 2010, at 9:17 PM, Dave Hunter wrote:

Hi all:

I just bought a ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
on eBay -

"http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370462778
137"

Seems to me, if the shipping wasn't so expensive, it was a
pretty good price. Is anyone familiar with these. Are they
a good unit?

Dave, VY2AC

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net


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From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Dec  9 01:02:05 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:02:05 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting discovery...
Message-ID: <32E46978-014D-46EB-B693-31DD762CAF8A@dls.net>


While watching my 28KSR print out iTTY I noticed that the ribbon  
reversing was not functioning properly.
After close inspection (which of course means fingers full of ink)  I  
discovered the problem.

Some of the newer plastic spools for Okidata printers and some  
typewriters look to be the same as the older metal variety.
One of the suppliers I used sent the ribbon with two spools all ready  
to install.  Most do not do this. So I put the new ribbon and spools  
on the machine.

The center hole for the support pin that locks the spool in place fits  
nicely over the support pin and it will lock down.
However the total thickness of the spool is less than the metal  
version... and more importantly the series of holes that surround the  
center hole are smaller than the old style.
So on my machine the spools seemed to install correctly and work for a  
time, but even with the re-inker full of ink the text would start to  
get light.

The pins that force the spool to turn are larger than the holes  
provided in the spools.  So sometimes the ribbon will take up okay and  
sometimes it slips. Mostly slipping when the ribbon reverse function  
is starting to operate.

So as Tom suggests:  When you receive modern replacement ribbons buy  
some vinyl disposable gloves and transfer the new ribbon to the good  
old metal spools.

Don K9TTY

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From w7tty at olypen.com  Thu Dec  9 01:14:21 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:14:21 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

That unit was one of the standard pieces of test equipment issued to all RCA 
Service Company Data Comm Techs.

When RCA succumbed to GE, a lot of them just disappeared.

I still have mine and it still works like a champ.

If the manual didn't come with that one let me know and I'll haul my manual 
down to UPS and have it scanned into a .pdf.

You can either use it as a loop keyer, or, if you need loop power, it will 
provide that as well.

You can send distorted signals up to 44 per cent switched bias, and can 
measure incoming bias and distortion as well.

I never left home without mine.

There is a built-in FOX generator that will do baudot, ASCII, 
Teletypesetter, and EBCDIC. And you got a very good deal.

A friend of mine traded a new, unfired .45 ACP Match Grade pistol for one, 
and both parties thought they got the better end of the deal.

The Beer Cooler Accessory was extra, but otherwise they were a repairman's 
dream.

W7TTY



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu Dec  9 05:35:42 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:35:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <4D0078BE.13524.181085@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi George:

It certainly looks and does the things the unit that Ken 
Gartland used to set my two 33 printers to factory specs. I 
am still waining to hear back from his as to if it is the 
same unit.

It was incredible, and I was quite impressed with its 
distortion tests. 

I have been keeping an eye open for one of these for ever 
since I went over to Nova Scotia to see Ken. 

He kept his unit when he retired from CN/CP 
Telecommunications.

I don't believe it has its manual. It does have the short 
form instruction sheet inside the cover.

I was very pleased to find it - it has only been on Ebay 
for a few hours, though in a search, I discovered the 
seller had been trying to find someone to buy it on 
technical exchanges off Ebay for quite some time. So even 
with $47 shipping, I clicked on Buy it Now as soon as I saw 
it!

Can't wait for it to come, and can't wait to try out the 
accessory cocktail mixer!

Dave

On 8 Dec 2010 at 22:14, George B. Hutchison wrote:

> That unit was one of the standard pieces of test equipment
> issued to all RCA Service Company Data Comm Techs.
> 
> When RCA succumbed to GE, a lot of them just disappeared.
> 
> I still have mine and it still works like a champ.
> 
> If the manual didn't come with that one let me know and I'll
> haul my manual down to UPS and have it scanned into a .pdf.
> 
> You can either use it as a loop keyer, or, if you need loop
> power, it will provide that as well.
> 
> You can send distorted signals up to 44 per cent switched
> bias, and can measure incoming bias and distortion as well.
> 
> I never left home without mine.
> 
> There is a built-in FOX generator that will do baudot,
> ASCII, Teletypesetter, and EBCDIC. And you got a very good
> deal.
> 
> A friend of mine traded a new, unfired .45 ACP Match Grade
> pistol for one, and both parties thought they got the better
> end of the deal.
> 
> The Beer Cooler Accessory was extra, but otherwise they were
> a repairman's dream.
> 
> W7TTY
> 
> 
> 



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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu Dec  9 05:38:28 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:38:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D007964.32417.1A9A5D@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Don:

It certainly looks like and does the things the unit that 
Ken Gartland used to set my two 33 printers to factory 
specs. I am still waining to hear back from his as to if it 
is the same model.

It was incredible, and I was quite impressed with its 
distortion tests. 

I have been keeping an eye open for one of these for ever 
since I went over to Nova Scotia to see Ken. 

He kept his unit when he retired from CN/CP 
Telecommunications.

I don't believe it has its manual. It does have the short 
form instruction sheet inside the cover.

I was very pleased to find it - it has only been on Ebay 
for a few hours, though in a search, I discovered the 
seller had been trying to find someone to buy it on 
technical exchanges off Ebay for quite some time. So even 
with $47 shipping, I clicked on Buy it Now as soon as I saw
it!

Can't wait for it to come, and can't wait to try out the 
accessory cocktail mixer!

Dave


On 8 Dec 2010 at 23:28, Don Robert House wrote:

> David
> 
> The URL you posted is truncated...
> 
> here it is whole:
> <http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370462778
> 137>
> 
> Use the < and > to keep it together.
> 
> It looks great but I do not have any experience with this
> model. Atlantic Research made a lot of good Telegraph
> Transmission Test Sets. I have two here. Still work.  Even
> the batteries stay charged.
> 
> 
> On 8 Dec 2010, at 9:17 PM, Dave Hunter wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I just bought a ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
> on eBay -
> 
> "http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370462778
> 137"
> 
> Seems to me, if the shipping wasn't so expensive, it was a
> pretty good price. Is anyone familiar with these. Are they a
> good unit?
> 
> Dave, VY2AC
> 
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
> 
> 
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From jfoust at threedee.com  Thu Dec  9 08:21:03 2010
From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:21:03 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com>
	<002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <20101209132227.D8ED93738358@mailman.qth.net>

At 12:14 AM 12/9/2010, George B. Hutchison wrote:
>That unit was one of the standard pieces of test equipment issued to all RCA 
>Service Company Data Comm Techs.
>When RCA succumbed to GE, a lot of them just disappeared.
>I still have mine and it still works like a champ.

How often do they come up for sale?  Very cool.

- John


From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec  9 10:19:24 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:19:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com><77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com><002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<20101209132227.D8ED93738358@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <51F73AB66EBE4D17AF3229431A800DE9@ljt>


I bought one of his original listings on eBay.  He told me he had a bunch of 
them
and didn't know what they are for.  I told him yesterday to add "teletype" 
to the
offering and I guess he did judging by all the list chatter.

His name is Hyam and he's very pleasant to deal with.  However, I suspect he 
might
raise the price on further units if he suspects the popularity is out there 
:>)

I haven't the vaguest idea how to use it and am waiting for a manual to 
appear...it's
in excellent/new condition.  No idea where he got 'em from.

lar
K2JIA
===================================================
>>When RCA succumbed to GE, a lot of them just disappeared.
>>I still have mine and it still works like a champ.
>
> How often do they come up for sale?  Very cool.
>
> - John


From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Dec  9 16:19:47 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:19:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request for assistance...
Message-ID: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>

Greenkeyers and Graykeyers,

I have a Model 32ASR that I just got back from being used in a stage  
play in Chicago.
Sadly the case is broken in two places and the paper spindle is  
missing, however it could have been worse.
I am happy to have it back.

Like most of these machines, it was a former WUTCo TELEX I machine.   
In it's infinite wisdom Western Union made some odd decisions. Let me  
explain...
I have one of their Model 1A "Iron Horse" perforators that works  
beautifully.  The touch is as good as my computer keyboard... But that  
is another story.  The oddity is that the early keylevers with  
permanent keytops have the apostrophe and the BELL in the same place  
as Bell System machines.  That is BELL over the S and apostrophe over  
the J.  At some point WUTCo decided to switch the FIGS functions so  
that the S has the apostrophe and the J has the BELL.
So now I get a BELL ring every time someone sends me an apostrophe and  
several apostrophes when someone wants to get my attention.  DUMB..!
Of course the typewheel also has the apostrophe in the "wrong" place.

In addition to this problem the WRU function on TELEX machines is FIGS  
D so if I receive that code on ITTY the answerback drum trips garbling  
the incoming message.
I can disable that in the function box area, but I really would like  
to change the function bar for the BELL and replace the typewheel with  
a BELL Standard Communications one.
Trouble is that all of my documentation for 32 and 33 parts gives two  
things; the two character typewheel code and the Teletype Part  
number.  So unless you have a photographic memory there is nothing I  
can find in print that explains what the typewheel character  
arrangements are for either the two letter code or the part number.

I have a brand new 32 typewheel still sealed from TTY CORP it is a JA  
part number 180460 packed in 1980. Can anyone tell me what arrangement  
a JA typewheel has?
FYI all (13) M32 typewheels begin with a J and all (9) M33 typewheels  
begin with an M. If I ever figure this out I will be happy to share  
the information.

Thanks for your time and please pardon my BELL HEAD mentality.

73,
Don K9TTY





From jfoust at threedee.com  Thu Dec  9 16:29:44 2010
From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:29:44 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request for
 assistance...
In-Reply-To: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
References: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
Message-ID: <20101209213925.177AB3738424@mailman.qth.net>

At 03:19 PM 12/9/2010, Don Robert House wrote:
>I have a Model 32ASR that I just got back from being used in a stage  
>play in Chicago.
>Sadly the case is broken in two places and the paper spindle is  
>missing, however it could have been worse.
>I am happy to have it back.

Boy, I've heard that story more than once.  Was it insured?  Were you well-paid?

- John


From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 17:34:43 2010
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony j. podrasky)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:34:43 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request for
	assistance...
In-Reply-To: <20101209213925.177AB3738424@mailman.qth.net>
References: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
	<20101209213925.177AB3738424@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4D015983.4070708@gmail.com>

John's got it right!

How many times have we heard those stories - and when the owner
asks the theatrical people for insurance or something before he will
lend something to them, they hem and haw like they're being taken
advantage of - and swear up-and-down of how well they will take care
of the thing - but then, after the shoot/play is over, it takes
phone call after phone call to get someone's attention, and then you
find the machine out in the parking lot, looking like it's been
tossed around by gorillas.

regards,
tony


John Foust wrote:
> At 03:19 PM 12/9/2010, Don Robert House wrote:
> 
>>I have a Model 32ASR that I just got back from being used in a stage  
>>play in Chicago.
>>Sadly the case is broken in two places and the paper spindle is  
>>missing, however it could have been worse.
>>I am happy to have it back.
> 
> 
> Boy, I've heard that story more than once.  Was it insured?  Were you well-paid?
> 
> - John
> 



-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
                  |
                  |              Serious error.
                  |      All shortcuts have disappeared.
                  |       Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 17:50:30 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:50:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request for
 assistance...
In-Reply-To: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
References: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012091642010.5798@Frances>

Maybe you ought to just keep the 32 pure WU-Telex and find another machine
to use on ITTY.

Of course a modern kid would just get a little programmable controller
chip and program it to interchange FIGS J with FIGS S and suppress
FIGS D.  And up-convert 45.45 baud to 50 baud while he's at it.



From Packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 18:49:05 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:49:05 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request for
	assistance...
In-Reply-To: <20101209213925.177AB3738424@mailman.qth.net>
References: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
	<20101209213925.177AB3738424@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <24F0C72B-993C-41A2-84EC-F281BB624623@gmail.com>

Hi John,

I spent about 20 hours and $65.00 worth of parts, plus bothering  
several other Greenkeyers to get the machine running and the case  
painted.
Also spent about 2 hours of training time and offered a couple of  
different ways the machine could be used.
The nice young man paid me $70.00. No I have no knowledge of how I  
would have insured the machine.
The biggest part of the problem is the 47-year old plastic parts. Not  
to mention the cheap way 32s and 33s were made.

With a generous amount of patience I will most likely be able to  
repair the damages.

Best,
Don


On 9 Dec 2010, at 3:29 PM, John Foust wrote:

At 03:19 PM 12/9/2010, Don Robert House wrote:
> I have a Model 32ASR that I just got back from being used in a stage
> play in Chicago.
> Sadly the case is broken in two places and the paper spindle is
> missing, however it could have been worse.
> I am happy to have it back.

Boy, I've heard that story more than once.  Was it insured?  Were you  
well-paid?

- John

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From rlaag at pacbell.net  Thu Dec  9 19:19:44 2010
From: rlaag at pacbell.net (Robert Laag)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:19:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 32 STUFF
Message-ID: <181830.50070.qm@web180403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

SPEAKING OF 32 STUFF... ?I HAVE THE UNIT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT HAS THE MOLEX CONNECTOR FIELD, TRANSFORMERS, RELAY, AND SMD SOCKET?AVAILABLE FOR $12 TO COVER POSTAGE... ?THIS IS THE UNIT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE CALLED THE 'CALL CONTROL UNIT' IN A 33 OR HAS IT A BETTER NAME... ?HOPE THAT SOMEONE WILL NEED THIS ASSEMBLY... ? BOB?

From k9tty at dls.net  Thu Dec  9 20:23:15 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:23:15 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request for
	assistance...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012091642010.5798@Frances>
References: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012091642010.5798@Frances>
Message-ID: <D9FABE4D-5F07-4629-A528-84C396B6DE95@dls.net>

Yes Jim,

However, I have already changed the gear so the machine runs at 45.5  
baud.
Half of the keytops are changed.  I will keep on working on it.
As you know I am not a modern kid.  I wonder if they ever mention  
vacuum tubes
in school anymore..?

Don


On 9 Dec 2010, at 4:50 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

Maybe you ought to just keep the 32 pure WU-Telex and find another  
machine
to use on ITTY.

Of course a modern kid would just get a little programmable controller
chip and program it to interchange FIGS J with FIGS S and suppress
FIGS D.  And up-convert 45.45 baud to 50 baud while he's at it.




From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec  9 21:09:02 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:09:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo and M32 Typewheels... a request
	forassistance...
References: <D5AE1D6B-1D76-48E8-AB48-D6A82471E6EB@dls.net><alpine.LFD.2.02.1012091642010.5798@Frances>
	<D9FABE4D-5F07-4629-A528-84C396B6DE95@dls.net>
Message-ID: <6A4E949A81614C64AEFCA581159E1F86@d2400>

I wouldn't loan/rent anything to a movie crew even if I co-stared in the 
movie!  Once was enuf.  Loaned a Bell System control head for a GE VHF 
mobile telephone, MTS of the '60's version.

It came back, after trying to locate them, with holes in the back where they 
put wood screws into it instead of using the mounting brackets.  Once the 
movie shoot was over, they disappeared.

There is no reason ever, in my opinion, to ever let your equipment out of 
your hands.  They pay you to come along...and pay well, ok.

I won't tell you what I really think 'cause cussing ain't good  here    LOL

lar 


From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Dec 10 00:49:14 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 23:49:14 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Okay I now know what to ask for..!
Message-ID: <81BE07E7-9055-4CE9-8541-A471F174ED09@dls.net>

Thanks Rice!

I need the JH Typewheel - Teletype Part No. 183962 that has the  
military zero, or
if not available the JM Typewheel - Teletype Part No. 183963 that has  
the plain zero.

I also have a brand new Typewheel for a Model 33ASR if someone would  
like to trade.

Thank you for your time and any assistance.

73,
Don K9TTY

From dhunter at islandregister.com  Fri Dec 10 06:20:54 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 07:20:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <4D007964.32417.1A9A5D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<77B62C3F-03B0-47FD-8BC6-BFC1BF51B8DA@gmail.com>,
	<4D007964.32417.1A9A5D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4D01D4D6.30335.7BE46E@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

There are two of the above items now listed on eBay from 
the same seller I got mine from...

See items:
370465112339 and 110622790571

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From wb6blv at inreach.com  Fri Dec 10 08:19:48 2010
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV (DM06))
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:19:48 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] " I wonder if they ever mention  vacuum tubes"
Message-ID: <018401cb986c$eba77020$4401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

oh course they do Don, those metal or plastic tubes that go from the motor unit down to the appliance on the shop vac.....

From w7tty at olypen.com  Fri Dec 10 09:48:30 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:48:30 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Blue Manual
Message-ID: <000301cb9879$511f1f50$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

Some time Friday there will be a "Special Announcement" regarding a much 
sought after Instruction Manual.

Stay tuned to GreenKeys for further breaking news.

The .pdf file is due at the W7TTY bunker sometime before noon today.

W7TTY



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Fri Dec 10 11:31:47 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:31:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <4D01D4D6.30335.7BE46E@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<4D007964.32417.1A9A5D@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<4D01D4D6.30335.7BE46E@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4D021DB3.2232.8BB4F4@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

Those didn't take long to sell! I don't know how many more 
he had to sell, but I hope some on the list got one. These 
machines are amazing.

Dave

On 10 Dec 2010 at 7:20, Dave Hunter wrote:

> There are two of the above items now listed on eBay from the
> same seller I got mine from...
> 
> See items:
> 370465112339 and 110622790571



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From N4SEG at comcast.net  Fri Dec 10 13:05:49 2010
From: N4SEG at comcast.net (Steve Garrison)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:05:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
Message-ID: <005c01cb9894$e082c780$a1885680$@net>

I just bought one of them.  Hope they are as great as everyone says.

 

Steve G./N4SEG

Air Force

R36350

1966 - 1970


From steveripper at comcast.net  Fri Dec 10 13:19:08 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:19:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <4D021DB3.2232.8BB4F4@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<4D007964.32417.1A9A5D@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<4D01D4D6.30335.7BE46E@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4D021DB3.2232.8BB4F4@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <00b901cb9896$be5e5280$3b1af780$@net>

I got the other one! Like Steve G. says I hope it's great. Also. Did I miss
this or did someone already ask regarding the availability of a manual
and/or schematic.

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hunter
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:32 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483

Hi All:

Those didn't take long to sell! I don't know how many more 
he had to sell, but I hope some on the list got one. These 
machines are amazing.

Dave

On 10 Dec 2010 at 7:20, Dave Hunter wrote:

> There are two of the above items now listed on eBay from the
> same seller I got mine from...
> 
> See items:
> 370465112339 and 110622790571



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From w7tty at olypen.com  Sat Dec 11 12:23:50 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:23:50 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Christmas Presents
Message-ID: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

There's a couple of Christmas Presents a few of you might be interested in, 
but in order to find where they are you'll have to watch ITTY for an item 
called "The W7TTY Christmas Theatre".

I tried to send it on GreenKeys but The GreenKeys Widget called it spam, and 
tossed it back.

Merry Christmas all, from the Politically Defiant

W7TTY

NNNN



From steveripper at comcast.net  Sat Dec 11 12:48:56 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:48:56 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Christmas Presents
In-Reply-To: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <000001cb995b$b0cd2860$12677920$@net>

George:

Looks like I turned on ITTY just in time to catch "The W7TTY Christmas
Theatre". Thank you very much for the manual.

Cheers and Merry Christmas to All,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George B. Hutchison
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:24 PM
To: GreenKeys
Subject: [GreenKeys] Christmas Presents

GreenKeyers - - -

There's a couple of Christmas Presents a few of you might be interested in, 
but in order to find where they are you'll have to watch ITTY for an item 
called "The W7TTY Christmas Theatre".

I tried to send it on GreenKeys but The GreenKeys Widget called it spam, and

tossed it back.

Merry Christmas all, from the Politically Defiant

W7TTY

NNNN


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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 11 13:38:20 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:38:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Digitech test set
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>

I have a couple of test sets made by Digitec Data Industries, appear to
be test message generators with ability to generated distorted signals.
One has no output and the other puts out signals of dubious quality.
These are portable units containing several modules; and I have seen
pictures of rack-mount equipment using some of the same modules.

Has anybody ever heard of these, or might have access to a manual, or
wants them to play with?



From 73131.3073 at compuserve.com  Sat Dec 11 15:04:05 2010
From: 73131.3073 at compuserve.com (73131.3073 at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:04:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Test Equipment
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>
Message-ID: <8CD6785B2387AEE-14B4-4AD3@angweb-usm003.sysops.aol.com>

Speaking of TTY Test Equipment ? Does anyone remember theTDMS units? They had a 3RP1 display tube, which presented a spiral display! Thepower supply was attached at the back end of the unit. Inside was a mechanical(!!!) - yes, mechanical message generator!!! It was a round printed circuit typedisc with a message encoded on it!!! They were great if you could keep themgoing!



Tim Swarthout, WA5QEG


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Dec 11 15:57:14 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:57:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATLANTIC RESEARCH DATA TECH DTS-1-M470/483
In-Reply-To: <002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <4D001215.31954.3F92DD3@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<002401cb9768$532aadd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <4D03AD6A.2315.2343021@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi George:

Thank you so much! PDF received and printed....

Dave

On 8 Dec 2010 at 22:14, George B. Hutchison wrote:

> That unit was one of the standard pieces of test equipment
> issued to all RCA Service Company Data Comm Techs.
> 
> When RCA succumbed to GE, a lot of them just disappeared.
> 
> I still have mine and it still works like a champ.
> 
> If the manual didn't come with that one let me know and I'll
> haul my manual down to UPS and have it scanned into a .pdf.
> 
> You can either use it as a loop keyer, or, if you need loop
> power, it will provide that as well.
> 
> You can send distorted signals up to 44 per cent switched
> bias, and can measure incoming bias and distortion as well.
> 
> I never left home without mine.
> 
> There is a built-in FOX generator that will do baudot,
> ASCII, Teletypesetter, and EBCDIC. And you got a very good
> deal.
> 
> A friend of mine traded a new, unfired .45 ACP Match Grade
> pistol for one, and both parties thought they got the better
> end of the deal.
> 
> The Beer Cooler Accessory was extra, but otherwise they were
> a repairman's dream.
> 
> W7TTY
> 
> 
> 



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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec 11 18:07:58 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:07:58 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Test Equipment
In-Reply-To: <8CD6785B2387AEE-14B4-4AD3@angweb-usm003.sysops.aol.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>
	<8CD6785B2387AEE-14B4-4AD3@angweb-usm003.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D04044D.9050104@bellsouth.net>

On 12/11/2010 2:04 PM, 73131.3073 at compuserve.com wrote:
> Speaking of TTY Test Equipment ? Does anyone remember theTDMS units?
Yup. Had a TDMS-5EB Have a picture of it somewhere - if 
anyone is interested - I'll see if I can find it.

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com



From alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 04:46:48 2010
From: alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk (Alf Fisher)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:46:48 -0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Test Equipment
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>
	<8CD6785B2387AEE-14B4-4AD3@angweb-usm003.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC32CCDF13BB46B3B6AB63344BEB03DB@ALFSTUDY>

Hi Tim,
Remember them, I've got one but I've never tried it out.
Must do it someday soon.

Alf
G3WSD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <73131.3073 at compuserve.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Test Equipment


> Speaking of TTY Test Equipment ? Does anyone remember theTDMS units? They 
> had a 3RP1 display tube, which presented a spiral display! Thepower supply 
> was attached at the back end of the unit. Inside was a mechanical(!!!) - 
> yes, mechanical message generator!!! It was a round printed circuit 
> typedisc with a message encoded on it!!! They were great if you could keep 
> themgoing!
>
>
>
> Tim Swarthout, WA5QEG
>
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From j.backus at jita.demon.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 11:19:03 2010
From: j.backus at jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:19:03 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] " I wonder if they ever mention  vacuum tubes"
In-Reply-To: <018401cb986c$eba77020$4401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
References: <018401cb986c$eba77020$4401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <4D04F5F7.5070106@jita.demon.co.uk>

The company I currently work for still make them ... but not in B7G / 
B9A or octal bases. High power klystrons, magnetrons, TWTs, tetrodes (30 
kW upwards) and tyratrons.

On 10/12/2010 13:19, WB6BLV (DM06) wrote:
> oh course they do Don, those metal or plastic tubes that go from the motor unit down to the appliance on the shop vac.....
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From steveripper at comcast.net  Sun Dec 12 11:32:51 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:32:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Data Tek 9600 Manual Drawings
In-Reply-To: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <002901cb9a1a$3973aae0$ac5b00a0$@net>

George:

FYI, while plotting the full size drawings from the Data Tek 9600 manual I
discovered what appears to be a couple of drawing errors in the back of the
manual. The full size drawings are on pages 82 thru 96. Pages 87 and 92
appear to be duplicates of drawing TP-SD-42794833 (sheet 1 of 3). Pages 88
and 89 appear to be duplicates of drawing TP-SD-42794833 (sheet 2 of 3).
Also, pages 93 and 94 are sheets 2 and 3 respectively of drawing
TP-SD-42795833, but there does not appear to be any sheet 1. I discovered
this after I had plotted all the drawings and then tried to file them away.
Thought I was losing my mind because I could not find one drawing and kept
seeing duplicates of two others, so someone else may want to check my data.

Cheers,
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705



From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun Dec 12 12:31:07 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:31:07 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Data Tek 9600 Manual Drawings
References: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<002901cb9a1a$3973aae0$ac5b00a0$@net>
Message-ID: <000501cb9a22$5d2f5620$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

Steve - - -

Thanks for the heads up.

The book is still at the UPS Joint, and I think he is closed today so I'll 
retrieve it tomorrow and go from there.

I think the guy did do pretty good, as he is quite busy this time of year, 
the pages are double sided for the most part, and considering he did the 
whole job for 20 bucks, I am not gonna complain.

I have a back-up copy of the book somewhere and will rummage through the 
piles and check to see if there are any error or omissions.

The book used was my field copy when I was with RCA, so it goes back to the 
70's.

Two things I would like to poiint out to all those who have one of the units 
are:

1- The plastic latches on the cover are somewhat delicate, and if you use 
the box enough one or both will break.

2- The soldering of the 1/4 inch jack assemblies to the circuit board can 
crack and become intermittent, causing irritation when you want to use it. 
My unit has been used it seems like a billion times, and every so often it 
has been necessary to touch up the soldering.

'Nuff said.

W7TTY





From steveripper at comcast.net  Sun Dec 12 12:45:59 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:45:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Data Tek 9600 Manual Drawings
In-Reply-To: <000501cb9a22$5d2f5620$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<002901cb9a1a$3973aae0$ac5b00a0$@net>
	<000501cb9a22$5d2f5620$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <002b01cb9a24$70799ef0$516cdcd0$@net>

George:

I suspect the UPS guy got a little confused. I can see how this could easily
happen especially with the drawing numbers being very similar. It had me
second guessing myself for a while. Still an excellent manual and greatly
appreciated and thank you for the handling and soldering tips. Can't wait
for my unit to arrive.

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705


-----Original Message-----
From: George B. Hutchison [mailto:w7tty at olypen.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Steve Ripper; 'GreenKeys'
Subject: Re: Data Tek 9600 Manual Drawings

Steve - - -

Thanks for the heads up.

The book is still at the UPS Joint, and I think he is closed today so I'll 
retrieve it tomorrow and go from there.

I think the guy did do pretty good, as he is quite busy this time of year, 
the pages are double sided for the most part, and considering he did the 
whole job for 20 bucks, I am not gonna complain.

I have a back-up copy of the book somewhere and will rummage through the 
piles and check to see if there are any error or omissions.

The book used was my field copy when I was with RCA, so it goes back to the 
70's.

Two things I would like to poiint out to all those who have one of the units

are:

1- The plastic latches on the cover are somewhat delicate, and if you use 
the box enough one or both will break.

2- The soldering of the 1/4 inch jack assemblies to the circuit board can 
crack and become intermittent, causing irritation when you want to use it. 
My unit has been used it seems like a billion times, and every so often it 
has been necessary to touch up the soldering.

'Nuff said.

W7TTY





From larryradio at att.net  Sun Dec 12 19:41:23 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:41:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Signal Generator adjustment
Message-ID: <301EC8131B7F41C0ADDE96C979F9584C@d2400>

Howdy Folks,

My Model 35 is erratically typing garbage.  I traced the problem to the signal generator.  There is a small arm that goes into the side of the generator and is moved back and forth by the keyboards action.

I found that by a little finger pressure on the arm to the left, it again prints perfectly.  I see there is no adjustment inside the signal generator (not obvious is there is one) and I don't see how to adjust the arm so as to accomplish that small to-the-left correction or pressure to correct the problem.

So, is there an adjustment for this arm to get it where I need it?  BTW, it is the same configuration on a Model 28 signal generator.

Thanks,
Lar

From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun Dec 12 20:45:56 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:45:56 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Data Tek 9600 Manual Drawings
References: <001101cb9958$2e698470$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<002901cb9a1a$3973aae0$ac5b00a0$@net>
Message-ID: <001f01cb9a67$7d2a6330$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

The UPS Store WAS open today so I stopped and retrieved my DT-9600 Manual.

I had the guy re-run all of the schematics.

After he had cranked then through the .pdf machine I looked them over.

I found that one schematic had a duplicate of page 1 of one of a three page 
set, and another of the schematics has no page 1, but 2 and 3 are there.

I came to the conclusion that way back when, my manual had been assembled 
incorrectly.

I have sent feelers out to several of my former RCA friends and hopefully 
something will pop up.

Stay tuned - - details soon..

W7TTY



From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec 12 22:56:07 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:56:07 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Signal Generator adjustment
In-Reply-To: <301EC8131B7F41C0ADDE96C979F9584C@d2400>
References: <301EC8131B7F41C0ADDE96C979F9584C@d2400>
Message-ID: <4D059957.1040401@bellsouth.net>

On 12/12/2010 6:41 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:
> Howdy Folks,
>
> My Model 35 is erratically typing garbage.  I traced the problem to the signal generator.  There is a small arm that goes into the side of the generator and is moved back and forth by the keyboards action.
>
> I found that by a little finger pressure on the arm to the left, it again prints perfectly.  I see there is no adjustment inside the signal generator (not obvious is there is one) and I don't see how to adjust the arm so as to accomplish that small to-the-left correction or pressure to correct the problem.
>
> So, is there an adjustment for this arm to get it where I need it?  BTW, it is the same configuration on a Model 28 signal generator.
Doesn't the whole signal gen "box" adjust? (like a 28)...  
look for a "lock screws" to the right and left of the box - 
and a horiz. adjust screw a little further to the left...

best!

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From k1lky at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 23:34:18 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:34:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Digitech test set
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012111234480.6479@Frances>
Message-ID: <0F768159-C01A-4B54-A179-C2F11DB920BE@earthlink.net>


On Dec 11, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

> I have a couple of test sets made by Digitec Data Industries,....
> Has anybody ever heard of these, or might have access to a manual, or
> wants them to play with?

Jim,

A while ago, I posted this:

> Greenkeyers,
>
> I unearthed from the storage area a:
>
> Digitech Data Industries teletype test set
> Model 2652-20
>
> This thing is quite small, runs on line voltage, and seems to be a  
> rather complete test set.
>
> There is a place under the cover for the how-to booklet, but of   
> course that's missing.
>
> Can anyone shed light on this thing?  Comments or lore welcome.

And got this reply:


> Write to Tony Snider <trsnider at cox.net> ... He used to sell Digitech  
> test sets.  I have one here.
>
> Don
> K9TTY

I wrote to Tony but got no reply that I saw.  (Last post that I have  
from him was January '10)

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!




From larryradio at att.net  Mon Dec 13 12:05:45 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:05:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fw:  Signal Generator adjustment
Message-ID: <755B1ACF77464CB4BE097F15646838E2@ljt>

Howdy Folks,

Tom located the problem.  A spring is missing on the machine and he replicated my problem exactly.  Thanks to all for the help with this problem.  Now to find that missing spring  LOL  See below msg. from Tom.

lar
K2JIA
=============================
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Signal Generator adjustment 


Looking at your picture, I notice that there is no spring on the transfer bail.
wether this is a design modification, or the spring is missing, you will have to check if there are spring mounting holes or hooks.
I hope this is it..      ;-))

I think we got it! I just took the spring off my KSR and it prints crap. Gently push the lever left, and it prints OK.





From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon Dec 13 12:24:46 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:24:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Funny!
Message-ID: <4D061E9E.13133.18061FA@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

Today, I received my Teletype Corp. tape winder in great 
shape and as advertised..

A neigbour visited kids in tow, while it was still sitting 
on the dining room table. First comment:

"What a neat model ferris wheel"!

Still waiting for my Data Tek 9600 DTS-1 to arrive. I have 
about a week off work later this month. Time to play?

Dave

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From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 13 14:52:47 2010
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:52:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] TDMS Distortion Instrument
Message-ID: <13623654A1AA4A5982AB4891EA98ED68@JamesTanton>

I have 8 pages on the TDMS Distortion Instrument
I received while in USAF Teletype School back in 
1968.   If interested, email me your address and I will
send it to you.  
                                     James Tanton

From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Tue Dec 14 14:30:51 2010
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:30:51 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is not really "PC," but hopefully nobody on this list will object...

http://api.ning.com/files/VETjOcn0ovvY9Mgf30NKd-wEGDnGwFXDerutF7h939D9t0H6EwLhtKgtC8Scw0u*VRSdeRpZcByEH6atOb6Wru7HGQnBWOlH/1tTeletype_model15.jpg

Came from this blog post:
http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/the-teletype-story

From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Tue Dec 14 15:01:25 2010
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:01:25 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org>

I can't resist . . .

Really nice looking . . . key . . . there.  Nothing like good solid 
transmitters, eh?

Kevin
W5TTY

On 12/14/2010 1:30 PM, Bryan Brodie wrote:
> I know this is not really "PC," but hopefully nobody on this list will object...
>
> http://api.ning.com/files/VETjOcn0ovvY9Mgf30NKd-wEGDnGwFXDerutF7h939D9t0H6EwLhtKgtC8Scw0u*VRSdeRpZcByEH6atOb6Wru7HGQnBWOlH/1tTeletype_model15.jpg
>
> Came from this blog post:
> http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/the-teletype-story
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From kl0s at cox.net  Tue Dec 14 15:08:31 2010
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:08:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <88D4B94C-5B54-44F5-BD11-C015C5F82798@cox.net>

I remember that pix from the issue of 73 I think it was in; will have to sift thru my collection to see if I can find it....nice "mark and space indicators" as well.

Dino KL0S

On 14Dec2010, at 3:01 PM, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:

> I can't resist . . .
> 
> Really nice looking . . . key . . . there.  Nothing like good solid 
> transmitters, eh?
> 
> Kevin
> W5TTY
> 
> On 12/14/2010 1:30 PM, Bryan Brodie wrote:
>> I know this is not really "PC," but hopefully nobody on this list will object...
>> 
>> http://api.ning.com/files/VETjOcn0ovvY9Mgf30NKd-wEGDnGwFXDerutF7h939D9t0H6EwLhtKgtC8Scw0u*VRSdeRpZcByEH6atOb6Wru7HGQnBWOlH/1tTeletype_model15.jpg
>> 
>> Came from this blog post:
>> http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/the-teletype-story

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Tue Dec 14 15:15:46 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:15:46 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <4D07D072.9000703@suddenlink.net>

On 12/14/2010 2:01 PM, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:
> I can't resist . . .
>
> Really nice looking . . . key . . . there.

I wonder if anyone had the nerve to say to her face,
"QLF"

(Ya need to lose some weight there.)

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From mlinger at civil.tamu.edu  Tue Dec 14 15:52:12 2010
From: mlinger at civil.tamu.edu (Linger, Mike)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:52:12 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free 14 typing reperf...
Message-ID: <5C47675CBB006B409C9FD41B1738E561028F8368@civil-mail2.civil.ad.tamu.edu>

I have a model 14 typing reperf that I've had for years that I'd like to
give to a good home.  The glass is missing but it's otherwise complete.
For pickup only, I don't do boxing.  Contact me off the list at:
oldrover at verizon.net if you are interested.


From mlinger at civil.tamu.edu  Tue Dec 14 16:05:06 2010
From: mlinger at civil.tamu.edu (Linger, Mike)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:05:06 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 reperf, more info...
Message-ID: <5C47675CBB006B409C9FD41B1738E561028F836A@civil-mail2.civil.ad.tamu.edu>

Sorry guys, but I should mention the location of the subject free reperf
is College Station, TX 77840.  I'm moving out of my shop storage
building of 25 years and clearing out the few non-28 items that I have.
...............Mike, WA5MOE. 


From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 17:10:02 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:10:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7E25AE9-8896-406E-9886-C60F30D20926@gmail.com>

I have that photo in one of the older RTTY manuals here someplace.
He he he... temps me to do an updated version.. He he he...

DOM DON


On 14 Dec 2010, at 1:30 PM, Bryan Brodie wrote:

I know this is not really "PC," but hopefully nobody on this list will  
object...

http://api.ning.com/files/VETjOcn0ovvY9Mgf30NKd-wEGDnGwFXDerutF7h939D9t0H6EwLhtKgtC8Scw0u*VRSdeRpZcByEH6atOb6Wru7HGQnBWOlH/1tTeletype_model15.jpg

Came from this blog post:
http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/the-teletype-story
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From kl0s at cox.net  Tue Dec 14 17:38:48 2010
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:38:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <00d801cb9bd9$68b964a0$2602a8c0@emachine>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com><4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org>
	<88D4B94C-5B54-44F5-BD11-C015C5F82798@cox.net>
	<00d801cb9bd9$68b964a0$2602a8c0@emachine>
Message-ID: <8B427E46-EE87-4BF6-B1D8-9D4C40D7188B@cox.net>

TNX Ralph....yes, there were a lot to include my article on getting the Apple II up and running on RTTY in the October 1982 issue.

Dino KL0S

On 14Dec2010, at 4:53 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dino Papas" <kl0s at cox.net>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
> 
> 
>> I remember that pix from the issue of 73 I think it was in; will have to sift thru my collection to see if I can find it....nice "mark and space indicators" as well.
>> 
>> Dino KL0S
>> 
>> 
> 
> It  is from the 73 Magazine.  I do not recall what year.
> 
> 73 Magazine had lots of rtty articals for a few years.  I learned mostly how to program up a home built computer from the programs and articals during those years.  Mostly from around 1976 to about 1985.  Lot of magazines to look for that pix in,but should be in those years.
> 


From Packard42 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 17:40:10 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:40:10 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Navy Lingo
Message-ID: <9D0E9AC3-3B77-47C8-8A4A-B9D3CD9F07D9@gmail.com>

RE: Teletype Pin-Up Girl...

"Built for comfort, not for speed."

    and

"A lot of sail for a small craft."



From N4SEG at comcast.net  Tue Dec 14 17:46:54 2010
From: N4SEG at comcast.net (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:46:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
Message-ID: <000001cb9be0$d0216460$70642d20$@net>

I just acquired the following:

TT-98/FG (in Excellent condition)

TT-229/FG (OK condition, part of cover missing)

TT-230/FG (Good condition)

 

Now if I could just find some TMs (wish I hadn't gotten rid of the TT-98 and
manual I used to have)

 

Steve G./N4SEG


From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 17:56:49 2010
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:56:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com><4D07CD15.4000505@9-5usa.org><88D4B94C-5B54-44F5-BD11-C015C5F82798@cox.net><00d801cb9bd9$68b964a0$2602a8c0@emachine>
	<8B427E46-EE87-4BF6-B1D8-9D4C40D7188B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00e901cb9be2$315aa790$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dino Papas" <kl0s at cox.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl


> TNX Ralph....yes, there were a lot to include my article on getting the 
> Apple II up and running on RTTY in the October 1982 issue.
>
> Dino KL0S
>


The pix was from page 112 of the Novermber 1976 issue if 73 Magazine.


A while back someone posted a place to download the entire publication of 
the magazines in PDF format. I think it is around 17 GB.  I thought the 
November issues around those years were mostly rtty issurs so it did not 
take too long to find it.



From k9tty at dls.net  Tue Dec 14 17:35:35 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:35:35 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] M32 Parts I am looking for...
References: <B758D43179F6496EAE38742CE327C6B7@splitterpaul>
Message-ID: <1E5C10F4-423B-4539-8300-96D225031D87@dls.net>

Friends,

Please excuse any distribution list duplicates of this message...  
THANK YOU!

I am looking for any of these gray parts for my M32ASR.
Please let me know if you have any of these available.

Many thanks,
Don
K9TTY


180057 Spacebar
180202 RE TURN Keytop
180206 HERE IS Keytop
180208 REPT Keytop
180210 FIGS Keytop
180211 LTRS Keytop
180221 O9 Keytop
180222 P0 Keytop
180223 A - Keytop
180234 C: Keytop
180236 B? Keytop
180239 S BELL Keytop
180240 D$ Keytop
180389 P? Keytop

183962 JH Typewheel (?)
183963 JM Typewheel (0)


From larryradio at wrnj.com  Sun Dec 12 20:36:32 2010
From: larryradio at wrnj.com (larryradio at wrnj.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:36:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] WUTCo International TELEX
References: <8CD6697F87A4584-920-3843@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<E0D79681-63B5-4CE5-A301-9F988D71FC1D@dls.net>
Message-ID: <DFF5DF06874D4F1E80A1E24D6701652D@d2400>

That now explains why the AN/UGC-74 TTYs have a switch to select Bell as "S" or "J".

Thanks.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Robert House 
  Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: WUTCo International TELEX


  Thanks Russ,


  Don, 

   (You wrote)

  "...At some point WUTCo decided to switch the FIGS functions so  that the S has the apostrophe and the J has the BELL..."

  Here is the reason why...

  The Teletype Model 32 that you have was built as a Telex machine.  Since it ran on the international Telex network, it was necessary to conform to that standard.  The CCITT standard called for FIGS S is apostrophe and FIGS J is the BELL.  If there were no international Telex standards, some guy in Germany would send you a Telex message using apostrophe and you would get the BELL.


  73
  Russ WA3FRP

From nerd at verizon.net  Tue Dec 14 19:00:43 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:00:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D08052B.6020301@verizon.net>

Not to worry; Teletypes predated PCs.


On 12/14/2010 2:30 PM, Bryan Brodie wrote:
> I know this is not really "PC," but hopefully nobody on this list will object...
>
> http://api.ning.com/files/VETjOcn0ovvY9Mgf30NKd-wEGDnGwFXDerutF7h939D9t0H6EwLhtKgtC8Scw0u*VRSdeRpZcByEH6atOb6Wru7HGQnBWOlH/1tTeletype_model15.jpg
>
> Came from this blog post:
> http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/the-teletype-story
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 20:03:42 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:03:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
Message-ID: <10714871.1292375023007.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Steve,

Congratulations on acquiring the Kleinschmidt equipment.  The TT-229 & TT-230 are pretty rare I think, they were part of the AN/FGC-30 Teletypewriter Central Office Set.

There are downloadable copies of the TT-98 manual on line. Don't remember were I got them, but just Google "TM 11-5815-200"  (-12 is operator's manual; -35 is maintenance manual; P is parts manual). Fair Radio and others may sell original manuals.

Manuals for the TT229 & -230 will be harder to find, but the TT-229 is probably based on the TT-76, so that manual could be helpful. (TT-76 manuals are downloadable from http://rattrig.com/manuals/tm's.htm) They may be covered in the AN/FGC-30 manual: TM 11-5815-203-15, if you can find it.

Have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Communications Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/
http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm




-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Garrison <N4SEG at comcast.net>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2010 5:46 PM
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
>
>I just acquired the following:
>
>TT-98/FG (in Excellent condition)
>
>TT-229/FG (OK condition, part of cover missing)
>
>TT-230/FG (Good condition)
>
> 
>
>Now if I could just find some TMs (wish I hadn't gotten rid of the TT-98 and
>manual I used to have)
>
> 
>
>Steve G./N4SEG
>


From jangus at suddenlink.net  Tue Dec 14 21:13:11 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:13:11 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 14 reperf, more info...
In-Reply-To: <5C47675CBB006B409C9FD41B1738E561028F836A@civil-mail2.civil.ad.tamu.edu>
References: <5C47675CBB006B409C9FD41B1738E561028F836A@civil-mail2.civil.ad.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <4D082437.20809@suddenlink.net>

On 12/14/2010 3:05 PM, Linger, Mike wrote:
> Sorry guys, but I should mention the location of the subject free reperf
> is College Station, TX 77840.
While you're clearing up stuff, pause for a moment and face to the
North East and wave. I'm about 4 hours away in Ranger TX.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From rlaag at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 14 21:32:58 2010
From: rlaag at pacbell.net (Robert Laag)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:32:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] PIN UPS
Message-ID: <842606.68456.qm@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

YES, VERY NICE EQUIPMENT...
I HAVE THE 4 PANEL PIX 'WILLIE REY' WASN'T IT, ON 8 LEVEL ASCII TAPE AND TRYING TO GET IT ONTO THE COMPUTER... ?TAKES TWO HOURS FOR EACH PANEL... ?I RECEIVED IT OFF THE AIR ON 5 LEVEL AND MY MINICOMPUTER CONVERTED IT TO 8 LEVEL... ?I THINK I RAN THE FIRST PANEL BACK THRU TO MINICOMPUTER AND THEN FROM THAT INTO A 286 SO COULD EDIT AND GET IT ONTO FLOPPY... ?STILL THINKING ABOUT HOW I SHOULD DO THIS... ? BOB

From nerd at verizon.net  Tue Dec 14 21:50:01 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:50:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] PIN UPS
In-Reply-To: <842606.68456.qm@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <842606.68456.qm@web180409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D082CD9.40204@verizon.net>

Certain kinds of equipment my wife doesn't like me working on..


On 12/14/2010 9:32 PM, Robert Laag wrote:
> YES, VERY NICE EQUIPMENT...
> I HAVE THE 4 PANEL PIX 'WILLIE REY' WASN'T IT, ON 8 LEVEL ASCII TAPE AND TRYING TO GET IT ONTO THE COMPUTER...  TAKES TWO HOURS FOR EACH PANEL...  I RECEIVED IT OFF THE AIR ON 5 LEVEL AND MY MINICOMPUTER CONVERTED IT TO 8 LEVEL...  I THINK I RAN THE FIRST PANEL BACK THRU TO MINICOMPUTER AND THEN FROM THAT INTO A 286 SO COULD EDIT AND GET IT ONTO FLOPPY...  STILL THINKING ABOUT HOW I SHOULD DO THIS...   BOB
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 14 22:07:56 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:07:56 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
In-Reply-To: <10714871.1292375023007.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10714871.1292375023007.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D08310C.2010300@bellsouth.net>

On 12/14/2010 7:03 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> They may be covered in the AN/FGC-30 manual: TM 11-5815-203-15,
Which is (mostly) here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=TssXAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

I haven't checked to see if it's complete (some Google-scan 
books aren't) - but there is a *ton* of info - and brought 
back some great memories!! (Sherry and I had a TT-117 & 
TT-179 while in Guam and for a time while in Newport News, VA).

best!

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 22:32:23 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:32:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
Message-ID: <14209595.1292383943226.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Randy,

That link is for the AN/FGC-25 & AN/UGC-30.

Steve's TT-229 & -230 were part of the AN/FGC-30 which was a big fixed station tape-relay system.

I am looking for a FGC-25 for the AWA Museum if you ever see any more "laying around."

I have looked through Google books for TMs.  Most of what they have seem to have come from the University of Virginia and whoever did the scanning didn't bother to unfold the fold-outs!!  (well it's better than nothing & it's FREE!)

have fun,

Duncan





-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy and Sherry Guttery <comcents at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2010 10:07 PM
>To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>Cc: N4SEG at ARRL.NET, Greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
>
>On 12/14/2010 7:03 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> They may be covered in the AN/FGC-30 manual: TM 11-5815-203-15,
>Which is (mostly) here:
>http://books.google.com/books?id=TssXAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>I haven't checked to see if it's complete (some Google-scan 
>books aren't) - but there is a *ton* of info - and brought 
>back some great memories!! (Sherry and I had a TT-117 & 
>TT-179 while in Guam and for a time while in Newport News, VA).
>
>best!
>
>-- 
>randy guttery
>
>A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
>so vital to the United States Silent Service:
>http://tendertale.com
>


From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Tue Dec 14 22:59:01 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:59:01 EST
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
Message-ID: <3ee96.6d05b267.3a399705@aol.com>

Randy:

Check out this web site of the old West Coast Tape Relay that Duncan
mentioned. Scroll down and you will see a photo of the AN/FGC-30 
Central Office Teletype system (Tape Relay station) then in use.

This was an Army CommCenter, closed in the late 60s. It was
replaced by the AUTODIN Switching Center at McClellan AFB in Calif.

http://www.militarymuseum.org/CommStaDavis.html

Dave

From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 15 01:43:42 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:43:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Bell on S or Bell on J?
Message-ID: <16769340.1292395422778.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Greenkeyers:

You weren't just limited to Bell on S or Bell on J.  Teletype made
Model 28 keytops so that you could have "BELL" on the upper-case
portion of A, B, C, D, L or X keytops.  F, J and S keytops were
available with the image of a bell instead of the word "BELL." 
There was a keytop with just the word "BELL" on it.  Presumably,
it was used in place of the blank key.  Another keytop with the
word "BELL" on it had the Greek letter Xi in the lower case position.
Lastly, there was a keytop with a dash in the lower case position
and "BELL" in the upper case position.  This info is from BSP section
573-100-801.

Regards, Jerry Murphy

 




From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 15 02:09:04 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:09:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-77
Message-ID: <43827.82083.qm@web180004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Merry Xmas to all,

? Every year I ask Santa for the same thing - a tech manual for my AN/UGC-77.? 

? Santa, are you listening?? 

Gerry
AD6MC

From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 15 02:19:12 2010
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:19:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.c
 om>
References: <AANLkTinOYQtG6eHeYu0sE2EypROwT7zjoyt69Vik1r2M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101215071916.9E3E88804A@mailman.qth.net>

At 02:30 PM 12/14/2010, Bryan Brodie wrote:
>I know this is not really "PC," but hopefully nobody on this list 
>will object...
>
>http://api.ning.com/files/VETjOcn0ovvY9Mgf30NKd-wEGDnGwFXDerutF7h939D9t0H6EwLhtKgtC8Scw0u*VRSdeRpZcByEH6atOb6Wru7HGQnBWOlH/1tTeletype_model15.jpg

This was from the period when Wayne Green must have had his "mid-life crisis?"

For a few years his 73 mag covers looked like the Ham radio version
of Playboy magazine!  Always wondered what was going on in his NH domain. :-)

w8au



    


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 15 08:23:23 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:23:23 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
In-Reply-To: <10714871.1292375023007.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10714871.1292375023007.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D08C14B.2020407@bellsouth.net>

On 12/14/2010 7:03 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> They may be covered in the AN/FGC-30 manual: TM 11-5815-203-15, if you can find it.
>
When I searched for that manual in Google Books - it 
returned the link I provided, and it did have a great deal 
of Klein "stuff" but apparently not the "right" Klein 
"stuff"...  As I didn't have a lot of time to "check it out 
- I didn't realize it wasn't the exact TM requested.  Sorry 
to have wasted everyone's time.

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 09:34:00 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:34:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
Message-ID: <18379.18c4dae3.3a3a2bd8@aol.com>

Not to worry; Teletypes predated PCs.

I think he meant "politically  correct."  ;-))
 
Tom Tillson

From nerd at verizon.net  Wed Dec 15 09:38:05 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:38:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Pin-up girl
Message-ID: <24755810.757993.1292423885268.JavaMail.root@vznit170126>


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 15 09:44:36 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:44:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
Message-ID: <13254078.1292424276597.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Randy,

No problem!  Thanks for trying to help.

Duncan



-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy and Sherry Guttery <comcents at bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2010 8:23 AM
>To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>Cc: N4SEG at ARRL.NET, Greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equipment
>
>On 12/14/2010 7:03 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> They may be covered in the AN/FGC-30 manual: TM 11-5815-203-15, if you can find it.
>>
>When I searched for that manual in Google Books - it 
>returned the link I provided, and it did have a great deal 
>of Klein "stuff" but apparently not the "right" Klein 
>"stuff"...  As I didn't have a lot of time to "check it out 
>- I didn't realize it wasn't the exact TM requested.  Sorry 
>to have wasted everyone's time.
>
>-- 
>randy guttery
>
>A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
>so vital to the United States Silent Service:
>http://tendertale.com
>


From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 15 13:57:22 2010
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:57:22 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschidt Equiptment.
Message-ID: <941F5A4A264F45D281607561C6857995@JamesTanton>

Check out  https://onlinefolder.com/ .  A few years
ago I summitted the Kleinsmidt manuals:
  1. TT-107 Typing Reperforator
  2. TT-4A KSR
  3. TT-98--TM 11-15815-200-35 KSR
To get the password you would have to email Gil
Smith.  His email is gil at baudot.net.  
  When logged on look under Gil's Stuff.  That is 
where I placed the above Kleinsmidt Manuals.
  The Manuals are too large for me to email to you.
                                     James Tanton
   

From packard42 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 21:41:42 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:41:42 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Bell on S or Bell on J?
In-Reply-To: <16769340.1292395422778.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16769340.1292395422778.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <09169C9E-C025-48EE-97CC-CF2A15C1DC1D@gmail.com>

Good grief Charlie Brown...

We used to say "The customer is not always right, but they are always  
the customer."

Don


On 15 Dec 2010, at 12:43 AM, gfmurphy at earthlink.net wrote:


Greenkeyers:

You weren't just limited to Bell on S or Bell on J.  Teletype made
Model 28 keytops so that you could have "BELL" on the upper-case
portion of A, B, C, D, L or X keytops.  F, J and S keytops were
available with the image of a bell instead of the word "BELL."
There was a keytop with just the word "BELL" on it.  Presumably,
it was used in place of the blank key.  Another keytop with the
word "BELL" on it had the Greek letter Xi in the lower case position.
Lastly, there was a keytop with a dash in the lower case position
and "BELL" in the upper case position.  This info is from BSP section
573-100-801.

Regards, Jerry Murphy





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From ddillman at igc.org  Thu Dec 16 12:59:22 2010
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:59:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] KSM Granted 6Mc RTTY Frequency
Message-ID: <3300540.1292522362269.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


The FCC has granted our application for an additional RTTY frequency for KSM.  We're now authorized to use 6328.0kc for 300HF1B emission at 5kW TPO.

The crack MRHS Transmitter Department will begin work early in the new year aimed at putting a transmitter on this frequency as soon as possible.  The transmitter will be one of the ex-KPH Henry HF5000D SITOR transmitters.  The antenna will be a double extended Zepp.

We selected 6Mc for the additional channel because the KSM 6Mc Morse signal does so well both day and night.

An announcement will be made via this list when the 6328.0kc channel is in service.

Until then we wish you the very best for the holidays.

VY 73,

RD

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Maritime Radio Historical Society
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=================================

From w2hx at w2hx.com  Thu Dec 16 13:48:56 2010
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:48:56 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] KSM Granted 6Mc RTTY Frequency
In-Reply-To: <3300540.1292522362269.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3300540.1292522362269.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000e01cb9d51$e8862b90$b99282b0$@com>

Any chance we can get some ITTY traffic to be transmitted from KSM on
6328.0? This is something we greenkeyers have dreamed about for years!
(George tried once many years ago)

73 Eugene W2HX


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Dillman
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:59 PM
To: Boatanchors; Radiomarine; Greenkeys
Subject: [GreenKeys] KSM Granted 6Mc RTTY Frequency


The FCC has granted our application for an additional RTTY frequency for
KSM.  We're now authorized to use 6328.0kc for 300HF1B emission at 5kW TPO.

The crack MRHS Transmitter Department will begin work early in the new year
aimed at putting a transmitter on this frequency as soon as possible.  The
transmitter will be one of the ex-KPH Henry HF5000D SITOR transmitters.  The
antenna will be a double extended Zepp.

We selected 6Mc for the additional channel because the KSM 6Mc Morse signal
does so well both day and night.

An announcement will be made via this list when the 6328.0kc channel is in
service.

Until then we wish you the very best for the holidays.

VY 73,

RD

PS: If you'd like to receive announcements like this directly please
subscribe to our mailing list by sending a message to
radiomarine-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


=================================
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Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================
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From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 16 14:33:59 2010
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:33:59 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt Equiptment
Message-ID: <8BC20DF79F104B88A5D4D70EC70F3EBE@JamesTanton>

Try the web address: https://login.securenet/index.php?app=off
  It should work.  You must use a special password.
Email Gil Smith and he should be able to give it to
you.
                                     James

From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 16 14:53:55 2010
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:53:55 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschidt Manuals
Message-ID: <AE451E6BE3AE4233B7E7ABCFC51D3757@JamesTanton>

Correction,
   Type in https://login.securenet/index.php?app=off in
Google.  Go to the fourth  website:
https://onlinefilefolder.com/.  You shouldn't have any 
trouble.
                               James
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 22


> Send GreenKeys mailing list submissions to
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> 
>   1. Kleinschidt Equiptment. (lobasa)
>   2. Re: Bell on S or Bell on J? (Don Robert House)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:57:22 -0600
> From: "lobasa" <lobasa at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschidt Equiptment.
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: James Tanton <lobasa at bellsouth.net>
> Message-ID: <941F5A4A264F45D281607561C6857995 at JamesTanton>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Check out  https://onlinefolder.com/ .  A few years
> ago I summitted the Kleinsmidt manuals:
>  1. TT-107 Typing Reperforator
>  2. TT-4A KSR
>  3. TT-98--TM 11-15815-200-35 KSR
> To get the password you would have to email Gil
> Smith.  His email is gil at baudot.net.  
>  When logged on look under Gil's Stuff.  That is 
> where I placed the above Kleinsmidt Manuals.
>  The Manuals are too large for me to email to you.
>                                     James Tanton
>   
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:41:42 -0600
> From: Don Robert House <packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Bell on S or Bell on J?
> To: gfmurphy at earthlink.net
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <09169C9E-C025-48EE-97CC-CF2A15C1DC1D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> 
> Good grief Charlie Brown...
> 
> We used to say "The customer is not always right, but they are always  
> the customer."
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> On 15 Dec 2010, at 12:43 AM, gfmurphy at earthlink.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Greenkeyers:
> 
> You weren't just limited to Bell on S or Bell on J.  Teletype made
> Model 28 keytops so that you could have "BELL" on the upper-case
> portion of A, B, C, D, L or X keytops.  F, J and S keytops were
> available with the image of a bell instead of the word "BELL."
> There was a keytop with just the word "BELL" on it.  Presumably,
> it was used in place of the blank key.  Another keytop with the
> word "BELL" on it had the Greek letter Xi in the lower case position.
> Lastly, there was a keytop with a dash in the lower case position
> and "BELL" in the upper case position.  This info is from BSP section
> 573-100-801.
> 
> Regards, Jerry Murphy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lobasa at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 16 16:15:47 2010
From: lobasa at bellsouth.net (lobasa)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:15:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys]  onlinefilefolder.com
Message-ID: <546282C61AD04D84AD354854A6E673E6@JamesTanton>

The message below is the original email from Gil.
As requested bu Gil, the username and password are
XXX'd out.  You will have to get it from him.
                                       James Tanton
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gil smith" <gil at baudot.net>
To: "James Tanton" <lobasa at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] onlinefilefolder.com


> Hi James:
> 
> Point your browser to www.onlinefilefolder.com
> 
> The username is XXXXXXXXXX
> 
> The password is XXXXXXXXX     
> 
> Please don't give the password to anyone -- they need to get it from me 
> directly.
> Please don't mention the password in a greenkeys or other public post.
> Please be careful to not delete or change existing content.
> If you wish to add something, create you own top-level folder first.
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> gil
> 
> At 08:37 AM 9/21/2006, you wrote:
>>Gil,
>>    Could you give me the password on onlinefilefolder.com?
>>I am a active member of Greenkeys.
>>                                          James Tanton
>>_______________________________________________
>>GreenKeys mailing list
>>GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> 
> 
> 
> Vaux Electronics, Inc.
> 480-354-5556
> (fax: 480-354-5558)
> www.vauxelectronics.com
> 
> 
>

From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec 16 21:02:59 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:02:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Met the Legend
Message-ID: <5E40CBCD375E4112BEBB28581F317EDF@d2400>

I had the rare opportunity to meet and dine with Bill Perrry of William Perry Company.  He dropped off some connectors passing thru Hackettstown, NJ on his way to Boston....to get more connectors, of course :>)

Lar

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Fri Dec 17 22:08:57 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:08:57 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-8000A Available
In-Reply-To: <EB9D530D-3EB6-4DB7-979E-5167E0FFACC6@gmail.com>
References: <0BF0F014-5B39-44BD-9845-8189A1B74283@cox.net>
	<EB9D530D-3EB6-4DB7-979E-5167E0FFACC6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0C25C9.1070003@suddenlink.net>

On 11/17/2010 5:12 PM, Don Robert House wrote:
> $1,400 might be okay for some foreign government.
> I doubt it will sell for anything over $120.
It's back.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170580339945

I am reminded of a young German soldier writing home to his mother.
"We made another strategic advance to the rear today Mom. I should
be home by Christmas."

I wonder how more times this gets relisted before it falls into the
"market value" range of pricing?

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 22:11:37 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:11:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012172109320.3356@Frances>

Can ITTY support more than one data stream?  I was thinking it would be
cool to have a 100 wpm transmission for those who have Model 28 machines
and would like to see them do what they can do.

From w7tty at olypen.com  Sat Dec 18 00:51:32 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:51:32 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012172109320.3356@Frances>
Message-ID: <000e01cb9e77$a11d2610$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

Jim and GreenKeyers - - -

The week between Christmas and New years is a time off period for me, and I 
am planning to migrate ITTY from the house to the Radio Room, and I see no 
problem with setting up a 100 speed channel for those enthusiasts who like 
to see smoke once in a while.

We will keep the 170 cycle shift. The lenkurt 25A system used 85 cycle shift 
and there were a couple of 100 speed channels riding over those wires.

Address will remain the same, only we will add new ports for the additional 
channels.  Also think we will give Don House a "POLITICS" channel so he can 
really do a number.

Any interest in a sports channel??

Merry Christmas to all,

From:

Wayne LeTourneau, WB0CTE (& Kathy)
Tom Tillson, ITTY EAST
Don House, K9TTY
Bill and Eva Bytheway, K7TTY and KC7WOI
And  Myself and Paula, W7TTY and SEAMSTRESS CENTRAL

NNNN



From w7tty at olypen.com  Sat Dec 18 10:41:06 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:41:06 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY 100
References: <6bde.ebcd0f7.3a3e0407@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cb9ec9$fd347640$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

The Autostart Channel is now running at 100 WPM with the same news files as 
ITTY.

A "Jokes" channel has been suggested.

Comments please??

W7TTY



From w7tty at olypen.com  Sat Dec 18 11:30:47 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 08:30:47 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel
Message-ID: <002801cb9ed0$ee1fd1c0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

Those who wish to use the MAILER program to add to the 100 speed ITTY 
Channel queue must use "ITTY-100" as the server as opposed to "AUTOSTART".

AUTOSTART will no longer work.

Ports 594 and 595 are the correct port numbers.

Using regular e-mail address is ITTY-100 at 65.243.191.51

W7TTY





From w7tty at olypen.com  Sat Dec 18 11:43:50 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 08:43:50 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY-100
Message-ID: <003001cb9ed2$c0cd6c80$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

You'll never guess who forgot to set the tone generator on the ITTY-100 
channel..

It's running now.

W7TTY





From sgm460122 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 18 12:15:35 2010
From: sgm460122 at yahoo.com (Rich MC Clung)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:15:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY 100
Message-ID: <82398.20226.qm@web80007.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

A "JOKES" channel.

I thought that running at 100 was the joke.......

RICH? WA6KNW


From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 14:02:29 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:02:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel
Message-ID: <1af4f.565b31c7.3a3e5f45@aol.com>

Hi Gang:

Would anyone  (especially the people on the other side of the pond) have a 
problem with  expanding the line length of ITTY that is running at 100WPM to 
a 72 character  line length??

If so, what would be the absolute maximum  length?

Thanks in advance.

Tom Tillson  


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 14:47:44 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel
In-Reply-To: <1af4f.565b31c7.3a3e5f45@aol.com>
References: <1af4f.565b31c7.3a3e5f45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012181317110.2582@Frances>

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Til128 at aol.com wrote:
>
> Would anyone  (especially the people on the other side of the pond) have a
> problem with  expanding the line length of ITTY that is running at 100WPM to
> a 72 character  line length??
>
> If so, what would be the absolute maximum  length?
>
A nice thing about living in the computer age is that it is easy to be
fairly smart about dealing with line length.  Seems like some numbers
I have heard are to ring the margin bell at 67 spaces with the idea of
a maximum line length of 72, or ring the bell at 72 for a maximum
length of 77.  For a sprocket-feed Teletype the width of the paper is
8-1/2 inches including the edge strips.  That gives you 7-1/2 inches
of paper to write on if you are going to tear off the edge strips.

It was not until quite late in the game that customers demanded paper that
would be 8-1/2 inches wide after the edge strips were torn off, so the
engineers at Teletype had a hard time but succeeded in making a sprocket
feed platen kit for the 28/35 that would allow 9-1/2 inch wide paper
including the edge strips.  If only we had a time machine and could go
back and whisper in Sterling Morton's ear that he should make the platen
an inch wider on the Model 15!  One reason for the wider paper was to
get the standard 8-1/2 x 11 sheet without the edge strips; another was
to be able to print all 80 columns of a data processing card record on
a single line.

But we have a lot of the original sprocket feed machines out there which
accomodate only 7-1/2 inches between the edge strips, which would give
us a maximum line length of 75 characters using 10 characters per inch
as is most common.  I just pulled a sheet from a sprocket-feed machine
in my collection and find that it is set up for a left margin of about
13/16" (from the edge of the paper, not from the edge of the strip).
This allows 6-15/16 for the typed line, if centered on the paper, or a
length of 69 characters if margins are equal on both sides.  Maybe you
could let it go to 72 characters, by encroaching on the right margin, or 
even a few more by readjusting the left margin.  I didn't check the
right margin setting.

When I say we can be smart about it with a computer, I mean we can see
where the last word on the line will end and insert a CR-LF sequence
wherever needed to prevent exceeding any line length we choose.  Or we
could even hyphenate, but that may involve more smarts than we want
to invest.

Anyway, it seems that at least in the U.S. the sprocket feed possibility
limits us to an absolute maximum line length of 75 characters, because
that is as wide as the platen is.  While sprocket feed is not popular,
I think we must accomodate it because that is the only kind of machine
some users will have.  A 72 character limit would be a little more
comfortable; and with a computer as signal source it can be rigidly
enforced.



From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 14:56:11 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
Message-ID: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>

I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks on the  list.

ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is??
I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be  
confusing with the different line lengths.

Tom Tillson
 

From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 16:35:58 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:35:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY-100
Message-ID: <23e3e.5a769351.3a3e833e@aol.com>

For those who are wondering, ITTY-100 can be  found at the  following:

http://65.243.191.51:8030/listen.pls


LOAD UP ON  PAPER!!       ;-))  


From wb0cte at netscape.net  Sat Dec 18 16:48:54 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:48:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>
References: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD6D147FD346D8-1E7C-13B15@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>

So I tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk
?
Wayne? wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
To: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length




I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks on the  list. 
 
ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is?? 
I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be   
confusing with the different line lengths. 
 
Tom Tillson 
  
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From epvgk at limpoc.com  Sat Dec 18 17:07:44 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:07:44 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <8CD6D147FD346D8-1E7C-13B15@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>
	<8CD6D147FD346D8-1E7C-13B15@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20101218220744.GA5765@limpoc.com>

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 04:48:54PM -0500, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
> So I tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk
> ?
> Wayne? wb0cte
> 
It's working for me on my 28 with 100wpm gearing. Playing the shoutcast
stream with my phone, feeding it to homemade FSK decoder. Adjustment is a
little more fiddly than at 60wpm, but it's pretty error-free. 

eric


> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
> To: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks on the  list. 
>  
> ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is?? 
> I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be   
> confusing with the different line lengths. 
>  
> Tom Tillson 
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From wb0cte at netscape.net  Sat Dec 18 17:10:15 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:10:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <F3EC8FB978DC4CB8AF0817D7C7D73A34@d2400>
References: <F3EC8FB978DC4CB8AF0817D7C7D73A34@d2400>
Message-ID: <8CD6D177B993ABF-1810-144E7@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com>

Thank you, I forgot about that , have made the changes and it is copying 100 perfect now.
Wayne wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Tighe &lt;larryradio at att.net&gt;
To: wb0cte &lt;wb0cte at netscape.net&gt;
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length




Wayne...did you set baud rate 110 and 8 bits?  Sometimes I forget and get  
junk. 
 
lar 
----- Original Message -----  
From: &lt;wb0cte at netscape.net&gt; 
To: &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;; &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt; 
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length 
 
 
&gt; So I tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk 
&gt; ? 
&gt; Wayne? wb0cte 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message----- 
&gt; From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt; 
&gt; To: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt; 
&gt; Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56 pm 
&gt; Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks on the  list. 
&gt; 
&gt; ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is?? 
&gt; I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be 
&gt; confusing with the different line lengths. 
&gt; 
&gt; Tom Tillson 
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From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 17:14:03 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:14:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
Message-ID: <266c4.7b6b9f76.3a3e8c2b@aol.com>

Hi Eric:
 
 Wayne is using a "glass" teletype  program.
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
epvgk at limpoc.com writes:

On Sat,  Dec 18, 2010 at 04:48:54PM -0500, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
> So I  tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk
> ?
>  Wayne? wb0cte
> 
It's working for me on my 28 with 100wpm gearing.  Playing the shoutcast
stream with my phone, feeding it to homemade FSK  decoder. Adjustment is a
little more fiddly than at 60wpm, but it's pretty  error-free. 

eric


> 
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Til128  &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
> To: greenkeys  &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56  pm
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen the error of my ways thanks  to  the kind folks on the  list. 
>  
> ITTY-100 is  now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is?? 
> I  know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be    
> confusing with the different line lengths. 
>  
>  Tom Tillson 
>   
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From steveripper at comcast.net  Sat Dec 18 17:40:17 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:40:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <266c4.7b6b9f76.3a3e8c2b@aol.com>
References: <266c4.7b6b9f76.3a3e8c2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cb9f04$8c65f9d0$a531ed70$@net>

Running with TrueTTY to a Telebyte 65A to my 33ASR and seems to run fine for
the most part. However I am getting some random line feeds. Any ideas????

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Til128 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:14 PM
To: epvgk at limpoc.com; wb0cte at netscape.net
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length

Hi Eric:
 
 Wayne is using a "glass" teletype  program.
 
Tom
 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
epvgk at limpoc.com writes:

On Sat,  Dec 18, 2010 at 04:48:54PM -0500, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
> So I  tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk
> ?
>  Wayne? wb0cte
> 
It's working for me on my 28 with 100wpm gearing.  Playing the shoutcast
stream with my phone, feeding it to homemade FSK  decoder. Adjustment is a
little more fiddly than at 60wpm, but it's pretty  error-free. 

eric


> 
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Til128  &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
> To: greenkeys  &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56  pm
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen the error of my ways thanks  to  the kind folks on the  list. 
>  
> ITTY-100 is  now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is?? 
> I  know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be    
> confusing with the different line lengths. 
>  
>  Tom Tillson 
>   
>  ______________________________________________________________ 
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From wb0cte at netscape.net  Sat Dec 18 17:39:54 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:39:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <266c4.7b6b9f76.3a3e8c2b@aol.com>
References: <266c4.7b6b9f76.3a3e8c2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD6D1B9FDFECAB-1810-147F1@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com>

Well only for 100 WPM as my four machines only run at 60 WPM, and of course at 72 years old I am not about to buy any more machines, so the piddly bit of 100 wpm copying I will do will have to be on a monitor.
?
I will stick with my 60 WPM that I have been using since 1974
?
Wayne? wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
To: epvgk &lt;epvgk at limpoc.com&gt;; wb0cte &lt;wb0cte at netscape.net&gt;
Cc: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length

Hi Eric:
?
?Wayne is using a "glass" teletype program.
?
Tom
?
In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, epvgk at limpoc.com writes:
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 04:48:54PM -0500, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
&gt; So I tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk
&gt; ?
&gt; Wayne? wb0cte
&gt; 
It's working for me on my 28 with 100wpm gearing. Playing the shoutcast
stream with my phone, feeding it to homemade FSK decoder. Adjustment is a
little more fiddly than at 60wpm, but it's pretty error-free. 

eric


&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
&gt; To: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
&gt; Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56 pm
&gt; Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; I have seen the error of my ways thanks to? the kind folks on the? list. 
&gt;? 
&gt; ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM? is?? 
&gt; I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be?? 
&gt; confusing with the different line lengths. 
&gt;? 
&gt; Tom Tillson 
&gt;?? 
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From wb0cte at netscape.net  Sat Dec 18 18:25:30 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:25:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <27d6a.2746b00.3a3e9292@aol.com>
References: <27d6a.2746b00.3a3e9292@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CD6D21FE8EDE66-11B8-146B1@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

Yes copying fine. The computer used to copy 100WPM is an ancient Vic 20 with a Microlog Air 1 board plugged into the game slot. It will receive and send at any speed, including Morse. It will also print on my models 14, 15, 19 and 32.
?
Wayne wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
To: wb0cte &lt;wb0cte at netscape.net&gt;
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length

Did you get the computer to copy?
?
In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:39:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wb0cte at netscape.net writes:
Well only for 100 WPM as my four machines only run at 60 WPM, and of course at 72 years old I am not about to buy any more machines, so the piddly bit of 100 wpm copying I will do will have to be on a monitor.
?
I will stick with my 60 WPM that I have been using since 1974
?
Wayne? wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
To: epvgk &lt;epvgk at limpoc.com&gt;; wb0cte &lt;wb0cte at netscape.net&gt;
Cc: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length

Hi Eric:
?
?Wayne is using a "glass" teletype program.
?
Tom
?
In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, epvgk at limpoc.com writes:
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 04:48:54PM -0500, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
&gt; So I tryed receiving at 100 wpm and all it prints is random junk
&gt; ?
&gt; Wayne? wb0cte
&gt; 
It's working for me on my 28 with 100wpm gearing. Playing the shoutcast
stream with my phone, feeding it to homemade FSK decoder. Adjustment is a
little more fiddly than at 60wpm, but it's pretty error-free. 

eric


&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: Til128 &lt;Til128 at aol.com&gt;
&gt; To: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
&gt; Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56 pm
&gt; Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; I have seen the error of my ways thanks to? the kind folks on the? list. 
&gt;? 
&gt; ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM? is?? 
&gt; I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be?? 
&gt; confusing with the different line lengths. 
&gt;? 
&gt; Tom Tillson 
&gt;?? 
&gt; ______________________________________________________________ 
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From wa2hwj at att.net  Sat Dec 18 18:58:49 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:58:49 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baud to ASCII conversion hint
Message-ID: <001001cb9f0f$8465a1d0$8d30e570$@net>

ZCZC

 

The now-ancient (!) AEA PK232 multimode controller is capable of
outputting to a

"terminal" at 110 baud, ASCII. I used to run a Model 33 on the output
and

copy Baudot RTTY with it as well as Packet DX spots that were received
at 1200 baud.

The PK input can handle Baudot at all speeds, Packet, and even CW. The

input to the PK is audio, standard RTTY tones. You could copy

ITTY to your Model 35ASR, for example. And, by the way, you

can send from the ASCII terminal and output Baudot. I don't recall if
it

has an output buffer. Of course, you could use a PC in 
"terminal mode" to copy Baudot using the PK, also.

 

The PK232's are going pretty cheap on Ebay, especially the older ones.
I

originally used a dumb video terminal for the output of the PK,

but realized that the PK could be optioned all the way down to 110
baud

ASCII. The output is RS232 to the "terminal". I think the setting is

called "TBAUD". The PK's original manual was written by W2JUP,

Norm Sternberg (SK), who I helped got on RTTY many moons ago,

prior to his becoming a packet guru. The manual is very well

written and comprehensive. the PK232 is not a simple box to set up,
but

once optioned correctly, it works well.

 

Since the K0TTY QTH is ASCII-free, I can't help get you going...

 

73,

 

Jack K0TTY

 

NNNN

 

 

 

 


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 20:54:13 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:54:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY-100
In-Reply-To: <23e3e.5a769351.3a3e833e@aol.com>
References: <23e3e.5a769351.3a3e833e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012181951310.3321@Frances>

Now there's a Model 28 doing what it was born to do!  (Even if it isn't
realistic for wire service news, which stayed at 60WPM for a long time.)

I've been working on a speed converter I built back in the 1970s to
receive at any of the standard speeds and transmit at 100 wpm, as an
alternative to having a gear shift.  Of course today we would use a
programmable controller for that purpose.

Now (they're never satisfied) something I don't need right away but
would like to see someday is a channel carrying the aviation weather
material (at 100 wpm)  F.A.A. was one of the early adopters of Model
28 equipment at 100 wpm for distributing weather data to flight service
stations and other consumers.

See http://www.weather.gov/emwin/winnet.htm



From Packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 22:27:42 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:27:42 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY at 100wpm
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012172109320.3356@Frances>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012172109320.3356@Frances>
Message-ID: <355ABDBE-D5CA-4709-A40B-74581081542E@gmail.com>

I think we tried this once before with less than great results.
Perhaps 75 wpm would work better..?


On 17 Dec 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:

Can ITTY support more than one data stream?  I was thinking it would be
cool to have a 100 wpm transmission for those who have Model 28 machines
and would like to see them do what they can do.
______________________________________________________________

From Packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 22:36:33 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:36:33 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>
References: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B225372B-E987-4BCF-9850-7157AD106351@gmail.com>

Having sent a lot of messages to ITTY.  It is much easier to edit text  
comfortably to 72 characters than it is 69.
How did we loose that one character to 68?

Don


On 18 Dec 2010, at 1:56 PM, til128 at aol.com wrote:

I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks on the  list.

ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is??
I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be
confusing with the different line lengths.

Tom Tillson

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From wa2hwj at att.net  Sat Dec 18 22:57:04 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:57:04 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
In-Reply-To: <B225372B-E987-4BCF-9850-7157AD106351@gmail.com>
References: <1df77.79201a4d.3a3e6bdb@aol.com>
	<B225372B-E987-4BCF-9850-7157AD106351@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cb9f30$cc953c10$65bfb430$@net>

Don,

That's probably why some ITTY copy always winds up with
two-word lines of text...staying below 69 characters
takes care of anyone who has auto CR/LF, and makes
sure there's no over-run, etc.

And, I'm copying the 100 wpm ITTY just fine.

Jack



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert
House
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:37 PM
To: til128 at aol.com
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length

Having sent a lot of messages to ITTY.  It is much easier to edit text

comfortably to 72 characters than it is 69.
How did we loose that one character to 68?

Don


On 18 Dec 2010, at 1:56 PM, til128 at aol.com wrote:

I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks on the
list.

ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the ITTY-60WPM  is??
I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending to both can be
confusing with the different line lengths.

Tom Tillson

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From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 23:06:37 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 23:06:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length
Message-ID: <a15b3.4650f5a0.3a3edecd@aol.com>

If we have any "counters" out there, you will notice that I use a 67 char  
line length to keep both (old Autostart) ITTY-100 and ITTY-60 happy.   :-))
 
Tom Tillson
 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2010 10:57:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wa2hwj at att.net writes:

Don,

That's probably why some ITTY copy always winds up  with
two-word lines of text...staying below 69 characters
takes care of  anyone who has auto CR/LF, and makes
sure there's no over-run,  etc.

And, I'm copying the 100 wpm ITTY just  fine.

Jack



-----Original Message-----
From:  greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net]  On Behalf Of Don Robert
House
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:37  PM
To: til128 at aol.com
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re:  [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel Line length

Having sent a lot of  messages to ITTY.  It is much easier to edit text

comfortably to  72 characters than it is 69.
How did we loose that one character to  68?

Don


On 18 Dec 2010, at 1:56 PM, til128 at aol.com  wrote:

I have seen the error of my ways thanks to  the kind folks  on the
list.

ITTY-100 is now 68--would it be ok to go to 69 as the  ITTY-60WPM  is??
I know it seems like "Only one" letter, but sending  to both can be
confusing with the different line lengths.

Tom  Tillson

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From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sun Dec 19 06:51:20 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 05:51:20 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baud to ASCII conversion hint
In-Reply-To: <001001cb9f0f$8465a1d0$8d30e570$@net>
References: <001001cb9f0f$8465a1d0$8d30e570$@net>
Message-ID: <4D0DF1B8.7060007@suddenlink.net>

On 12/18/2010 5:58 PM, Jack wrote
> The input to the PK is audio, standard RTTY tones.
According to the PK232 manual, their idea of standard is 200 Hz shift.

<http://www.repeater-builder.com/aea/pk232/pk232mbx-operating-manual.pdf>

Back in the '80s it was always immediately apparent on the ST-6000
what the other person was running for a terminal unit. If it was a
"real" unit, the shift was a nice 90 degree pattern. If they were running a
KAM or PK232 the shift was always wrong. I.e., 200 Hz instead of 170 Hz.

*Grins* Of course, with the ST-8000 you could always adjust things to
accommodate weird shifts.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi



From kl0s at cox.net  Sun Dec 19 09:08:34 2010
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:08:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baud to ASCII conversion hint
In-Reply-To: <4D0DF1B8.7060007@suddenlink.net>
References: <001001cb9f0f$8465a1d0$8d30e570$@net>
	<4D0DF1B8.7060007@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <3E01BB1A-D2AD-4BC4-8CC8-A16DE298F9C4@cox.net>

And if anyone wants to fine tune their PK-232 to 170Hz shift see:

http://www.qsl.net/k0bx/

and click on the "PK-232 Alignment" tab.  Site also has the procedure for using the ST-8000 as a front end for the PK-232 (works well, done for both of my ST-8K's).

Dino KL0S

On 19Dec2010, at 6:51 AM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:

> On 12/18/2010 5:58 PM, Jack wrote
>> The input to the PK is audio, standard RTTY tones.
> According to the PK232 manual, their idea of standard is 200 Hz shift.
> 
> <http://www.repeater-builder.com/aea/pk232/pk232mbx-operating-manual.pdf>
> 
> Back in the '80s it was always immediately apparent on the ST-6000
> what the other person was running for a terminal unit. If it was a
> "real" unit, the shift was a nice 90 degree pattern. If they were running a
> KAM or PK232 the shift was always wrong. I.e., 200 Hz instead of 170 Hz.
> 
> *Grins* Of course, with the ST-8000 you could always adjust things to
> accommodate weird shifts.
> 
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi

From wa2hwj at att.net  Sun Dec 19 09:42:36 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:42:36 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baud to ASCII conversion hint
In-Reply-To: <3E01BB1A-D2AD-4BC4-8CC8-A16DE298F9C4@cox.net>
References: <001001cb9f0f$8465a1d0$8d30e570$@net>	<4D0DF1B8.7060007@suddenlink.net>
	<3E01BB1A-D2AD-4BC4-8CC8-A16DE298F9C4@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001501cb9f8a$fb441f40$f1cc5dc0$@net>

I forgot to mention that a "standard" RTTY converter can be used for
the front
end of the PK, bypasing the PK's tone filters.
The Dovetron is a good choice because the tones can be easily
"tuned", a little easier than the ST8000 or ST8000A. This requires
cabling the
TU into the PK.

A simpler method would be to use the RTTY TU in the standard manner
and
adjust the TU's AFSK output to match the PK's input tones/shift. Send
the
AFSK into the PK's audio input, paying attention to the levels. In
this
setup, the TU copies the signal and repeats it out with the AFSK to
the PK. This application is where the ST8000/8000A is most versatile.






-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dino Papas
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:09 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Baud to ASCII conversion hint

And if anyone wants to fine tune their PK-232 to 170Hz shift see:

http://www.qsl.net/k0bx/

and click on the "PK-232 Alignment" tab.  Site also has the procedure
for using the ST-8000 as a front end for the PK-232 (works well, done
for both of my ST-8K's).

Dino KL0S

On 19Dec2010, at 6:51 AM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:

> On 12/18/2010 5:58 PM, Jack wrote
>> The input to the PK is audio, standard RTTY tones.
> According to the PK232 manual, their idea of standard is 200 Hz
shift.
> 
>
<http://www.repeater-builder.com/aea/pk232/pk232mbx-operating-manual.p
df>
> 
> Back in the '80s it was always immediately apparent on the ST-6000
> what the other person was running for a terminal unit. If it was a
> "real" unit, the shift was a nice 90 degree pattern. If they were
running a
> KAM or PK232 the shift was always wrong. I.e., 200 Hz instead of 170
Hz.
> 
> *Grins* Of course, with the ST-8000 you could always adjust things
to
> accommodate weird shifts.
> 
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 10:53:35 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:53:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY at 100wpm
In-Reply-To: <355ABDBE-D5CA-4709-A40B-74581081542E@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012172109320.3356@Frances>
	<355ABDBE-D5CA-4709-A40B-74581081542E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012190949560.2766@Frances>

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Don Robert House wrote:

> I think we tried this once before with less than great results.
> Perhaps 75 wpm would work better..?
>
I'm getting less than solid copy, but good copy for long stretches.

You have a lot more experience with this than I do, but seems to me
75 wpm is the speed that nobody ever used much.



From wb0cte at netscape.net  Sun Dec 19 11:29:23 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:29:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY at 100wpm
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012190949560.2766@Frances>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012190949560.2766@Frances>
Message-ID: <8CD6DB10758D62A-1694-1B404@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

Well 75 WPM is about Max for a 15 or 19 machine. They tend to come unglued when you try to run them at 100WPM
Wayne? wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Haynes &lt;jhhaynes at earthlink.net&gt;
To: Don Robert House &lt;Packard42 at gmail.com&gt;
Cc: greenkeys &lt;greenkeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ITTY at 100wpm




On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Don Robert House wrote: 
 
&gt; I think we tried this once before with less than great results. 
&gt; Perhaps 75 wpm would work better..? 
&gt; 
I'm getting less than solid copy, but good copy for long stretches. 
 
You have a lot more experience with this than I do, but seems to me 
75 wpm is the speed that nobody ever used much. 
 
 
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From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun Dec 19 13:09:16 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:09:16 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
Message-ID: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

Simple question...

Should ITTY-100 become permanent, or should it be used for some other 
service.?

Watching Greenkeys for replies.

Thanks,

W7TTY



From radioham at mchsi.com  Sun Dec 19 13:28:16 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:28:16 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <p06240807c933fd6a13fb@[10.0.1.2]>

If you are receiving on a computer or silent terminal, 100 WPM is OK. 
However,  I like to run the 28 now and again and for that 60 is where 
it is at.  At 60 the machine types at a slow heartbeat rate and is 
relaxing to me.  100 is rather frenetic and is anything but relaxing. 
Also the 15 doesn't like 100 WPM.  I hope a source of 60 WPM signals 
stays around a long time.

David

At 10:09 AM -0800 12/19/10, George B. Hutchison wrote:
>Simple question...
>
>Should ITTY-100 become permanent, or should it be used for some other
>service.?
>
>Watching Greenkeys for replies.
>
>Thanks,
>
>W7TTY
>
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 15:49:22 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:49:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012191446110.2247@Frances>

Well I'm glad to see the 100 wpm, because it allows showing off what
the 28 can do.  It's not something I would watch for much length
of time, because it is rather frenetic, and the rhythm of 60 wpm is
what is familiar for wire service news and that sort of thing.  I
don't have any interest in 75 wpm because I don't think I've ever seen
even a Model 15 running at that speed; it just doesn't seem to have been
a popular speed.   So I vote for keeping both speeds available.

Jim W6JVE


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 17:26:06 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:26:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
Message-ID: <11050020.1292797567292.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

George,

Definitely keep 60wpm, that is where most machines are working.  But it is nice to have the 100wpm stream available for those that have 100wpm machines. And to do comparisons with M28s with a gear shift.

Thanks for you work making ITTY possible,

Duncan, K2OEQ
AWA Museum


-----Original Message-----
>From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
>Sent: Dec 19, 2010 1:09 PM
>To: GreenKeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
>
>Simple question...
>
>Should ITTY-100 become permanent, or should it be used for some other 
>service.?
>
>Watching Greenkeys for replies.
>
>Thanks,
>
>W7TTY
>
>
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From jim at k6ccc.org  Sun Dec 19 17:47:18 2010
From: jim at k6ccc.org (Jim Walls)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:47:18 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012191446110.2247@Frances>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012191446110.2247@Frances>
Message-ID: <4D0E8B76.3080400@k6ccc.org>

On 12/19/2010 12:49 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> Well I'm glad to see the 100 wpm, because it allows showing off what
> the 28 can do.  It's not something I would watch for much length
> of time, because it is rather frenetic, and the rhythm of 60 wpm is
> what is familiar for wire service news and that sort of thing.  I
> don't have any interest in 75 wpm because I don't think I've ever seen
> even a Model 15 running at that speed; it just doesn't seem to have been
> a popular speed.   So I vote for keeping both speeds available.


Just for interest, a friend of mine and I used to regularly use 75 speed 
between us on a 2M simplex channel.  Both of us had 3 speed 
transmissions in our 28s and both of us could type faster than 60 speed 
so by going to 75 at least I would not run into the locked keyboard.  
Even going to 100 speed was not enough for Stan to not run into the 
locked keyboard as he could type in excess of 125WPM).  And although we 
ran 100 now and then, I agree that it just sounded frantic (to use the 
word that several others have said).

Jim


From Packard42 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 20:16:53 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:16:53 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012191446110.2247@Frances>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012191446110.2247@Frances>
Message-ID: <F5012A30-B247-4184-84DA-19A8838205FD@gmail.com>

I was printing like mad (compared to 60 wpm) today for a short time  
today.  Took a range on the signal.
Came in nicely at 65...

Lubrication and adjustment checks need to be more frequent when  
running at 100 wpm.

Don K9TTY




From k9tty at dls.net  Sun Dec 19 20:46:48 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:46:48 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY at 100wpm
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012190949560.2766@Frances>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012172109320.3356@Frances>
	<355ABDBE-D5CA-4709-A40B-74581081542E@gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012190949560.2766@Frances>
Message-ID: <7344EFB0-2169-4B4F-AC83-890BF29D3F6E@dls.net>

We had quite a few 75 wpm customers at Illinois Bell.  Not sure why.
The 100 wpm copy I was remembering was RTTY over the air.  George sent
some experimental traffic when I was receiving in Fallbrook.  I could  
not
keep in sync for any length of time.  We talked about trying 75 but
never did as I recall.


On 19 Dec 2010, at 9:53 AM, Jim Haynes wrote:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Don Robert House wrote:

> I think we tried this once before with less than great results.
> Perhaps 75 wpm would work better..?
>
I'm getting less than solid copy, but good copy for long stretches.

You have a lot more experience with this than I do, but seems to me
75 wpm is the speed that nobody ever used much.




From bill at blcain.com  Sun Dec 19 22:28:09 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:28:09 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] New to the list
Message-ID: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>

Hello,
I served in the US Navy for 23 years and for about 18 of those years I 
was a teletype and KLB47 repairman. I got out in 1969 in Virginia and 
went to work for a company that contracted to the CIA for tty overhaul 
and repair.
In 1974 I returned to the Navy and resumed my labor of love of tty 
repair and communications. There was a time that I could take a box of 
parts and build a printer. It took  a few days but doable.
I retired in 1987 as Chief Radioman.
My first duty station was on the USS Samual N. Moore (DD-747). I 
remember the day we turned on the crypto equipment, geared the ttys for 
100wpm and stood back and watched as the printers ran for awhile and 
then started spitting parts. It was not long before all of them had to 
get an overhaul with updated parts that would let them run at 100wpm. 
After that, they seemed to just hum along.
I did like the 60 - or 66wpm (can't remember) unincrypted signal. Seemed 
if you concentrated real hard, you could almost read the signal, just 
like morse code.
Not long after I retired - 5 years - give or take, it seemed like all 
the ttys were replaced with computers. Really not sure where they all went.
  One ship I was on, the USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) did a lot of "drop" 
tests of various computer terminals just to see what they could take in 
a war time environment. Sometimes it was real messy.
I have never lost my love for the 28. It was something I could almost 
hold in my lap while I cleaned and adjusted it to almost perfection.
While contracted to the CIA, we discovered that if you mix about 50% STP 
with teletype oil, dipped the printer in it (before you install the 
electronics and type box!)  then let it hang and "drip dry" overnight 
and wiped it down, you could hardly hear it run. And it seemed to last a 
little longer between service calls.
I still have my manuals for the 28 and most of the tools I collected 
while in the Navy. The only thing I am missing is a KSR or ASR or even 
an RO. I have not been able to find anywhere on the internet that I can 
lay my hands on one. I would truly love to be able to get a printer or 
system just to get back to the "old days".
But then there is the problem of parts. Where do you folks get the parts 
to repair your systems?
Anyway, this is a very informative list.
Bill Cain


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 22:47:15 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:47:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New to the list
In-Reply-To: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012192143140.6618@Frances>

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Bill wrote:

> While contracted to the CIA, we discovered that if you mix about 50% STP
> with teletype oil, dipped the printer in it (before you install the

I remember the Digital Equipment Corp. field service guys were instructed
to make a mixture of 50% STP and 50% motor oil (I don't remember now if
they said 20wt or 30wt) and use that for Teletype lube.  I don't know
why they used that instead of the official Teletype oil.  And it may be
significant that they only maintained Model 33 machines, no others.

Tell us about where you live - Teletype machines show up from time to
time, either for little money or free for pickup - the big problem is
that nobody wants to ship one.



From alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec 20 03:49:43 2010
From: alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk (Alf Fisher)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:49:43 -0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <38D548CE06984E19ACADCC0F1D58D5E2@ALFSTUDY>

It is interesting to read peoples impressions of the different speeds.
Over this side of the pond, we tend to talk in terms of baud rates rather 
than wpm and to me, your 60wpm (or 45baud) sounds very slow and laid back.
I think I would be correct in saying that we use 50baud or 66wpm over here 
and that sounds nice.
I agree with the comment about the faster machines and to hear a Model 33 
running 110 baud is very exciting and even frantic as all the DEC guys will 
know.

Best regards for the festive season,

Alf
G3WSD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback


> Simple question...
>
> Should ITTY-100 become permanent, or should it be used for some other
> service.?
>
> Watching Greenkeys for replies.
>
> Thanks,
>
> W7TTY
>
>
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From jangus at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec 20 07:16:17 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:16:17 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] New to the list
In-Reply-To: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
Message-ID: <4D0F4911.7080809@suddenlink.net>

On 12/19/2010 9:28 PM, Bill wrote:
> The only thing I am missing is a KSR or ASR or even an RO.
Welcome aboard.

Jeff-1,0
wa6fwi



From Til128 at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 07:29:17 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:29:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
Message-ID: <28527.3617403f.3a40a61d@aol.com>

Hi all:
 
Here is my feedback
 
I think we have a good thing going at 60WPM. As "HAMS", I believe
you  were limited to 60WPM.
 
>From what I read on Greenkeys, the machines that some have (the  28s
& 32s) looks like they need some adjustments for the faster  speeds.
As for the earlier models, it is out of the question. Like  someone
said, running a 15 at 100 is self destruction, and we don't  want
THAT!  Others don't have the gearshift mech., and would have  to
change gears every time to make the switch. As for 75WPM, how many
sets  of gears are left for that??
 
In my humble opinion, I think we should stay with ITTY (ITTY-60) at  60WPM.
 
As for autostart, (ITTY-100) I think we should change back to
60WPM,  (with a 69 char. line length, (as is ITTY-60) and leave it as an 
"open  line"
as it was before. As an example, another person and I would set up
a  time, contact each other on autostart and either hold a
conversation or  exchange data with each other.
 
73, Tom Tillson
ITTY East

From aa8k73 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 08:53:00 2010
From: aa8k73 at gmail.com (AA8K73 GMail)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:53:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <38D548CE06984E19ACADCC0F1D58D5E2@ALFSTUDY>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<38D548CE06984E19ACADCC0F1D58D5E2@ALFSTUDY>
Message-ID: <4D0F5FBC.2020406@gmail.com>


I remember back in the 1960's, I think, when
Irv Hoff was experimenting with short stop bits
on the 20 meter autostart frequency.

My 60 WPM model 15 seemed so fast that I just
stared at it in disbelief.


Mike - AA8K


On 12/20/2010 03:49 AM, Alf Fisher wrote:
> It is interesting to read peoples impressions of the different speeds.
> Over this side of the pond, we tend to talk in terms of baud rates rather
> than wpm and to me, your 60wpm (or 45baud) sounds very slow and laid back.
> I think I would be correct in saying that we use 50baud or 66wpm over here
> and that sounds nice.
> I agree with the comment about the faster machines and to hear a Model 33
> running 110 baud is very exciting and even frantic as all the DEC guys will
> know.
>
> Best regards for the festive season,
>
> Alf
> G3WSD
>

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec 20 09:05:33 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:05:33 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <4D0F62AD.5080803@suddenlink.net>

On 12/19/2010 12:09 PM, George B. Hutchison wrote:
> Should ITTY-100 become permanent, or should it be used for some
> other service.?

You're supplying a free service, isn't it up to you? But I fully understand
you asking to see if it's worth your time.

That being said...

Is each "port" running as a separate process on a single server, or does
each "port" require another PC to bring something new online?

Sounds like most people are using the continuous stream for 60 WPM.
Glad to see that there's a 100 WPM stream now available for those
wanting to play with/show off the 28s.

Depending on resources needed, I'd kind of like to see 66 and 75 WPM
channels as well.

And of course, autostart.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 20 09:57:18 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:57:18 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] New to the list
In-Reply-To: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
Message-ID: <4D0F6ECE.70505@bellsouth.net>

On 12/19/2010 9:28 PM, Bill wrote:
> Hello,
> I served in the US Navy {snip} my labor of love of tty
> repair and communications.
>
Welcome aboard - it's always nice to have another swab 
around!   You don't say where you are (unless you're still 
in the Tidewater area) - that info would be helpful.  Stick 
around here and you will wind up with a TTY - even if you 
have to build it from parts - there are some extremely 
generous and helpful people here! I'm in a region where TTYs 
are rare as hen's teeth - and with help from several people 
here - I now have the machine I've wanted for a long time!  
Still have some cosmetic work to do (and a couple of options 
to add) but it's up and running quite nicely.

Again - welcome aboard! and best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From wb0cte at netscape.net  Mon Dec 20 10:19:59 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>

Anyone know how to get MMTTY to run at 100wpm?
?
Wayne? wb0cte


From larryradio at att.net  Mon Dec 20 10:44:44 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:44:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
References: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <238C021EA0A84623B300CE30ADD6D5FA@ljt>

What is MMTTYY?  Is that the same as heavy metal?

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wb0cte at netscape.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)


> Anyone know how to get MMTTY to run at 100wpm?
> ?
> Wayne? wb0cte


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 20 11:09:06 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:09:06 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <4D0F7FA2.4090108@bellsouth.net>

On 12/19/2010 12:09 PM, George B. Hutchison wrote:
> Simple question...
>
> Should ITTY-100 become permanent, or should it be used for some other
> service.?
>
There are other sources of 100WPM available to most people 
that can get ITTY. For instance - Heavy Metal can receive AP 
and other sources (weather, stocks, etc.) - and can be set 
locally to whatever speed one likes. Most of us with 
multi-speed machines have alternative sources to "show off" 
the speeds (computer, test sets or another machine in the 
loop).

So a poll of those who rely on ITTY as their primary (or 
only) way of demoing their machines (and at what speed if 
other than 60WPM) from some "always available" source might 
prove enlightening...   (as opposed to having to establish a 
HAM contact, for instance).

One project I have - and it might ITTY might be a good way 
to "distribute" such - I want to start a collection of 
historical events "on file" that can be printed via Heavy 
Metal or such (on demand). Things like the announcements of 
Kennedy being shot, lunar landing, Pearl Harbor attacked, 
and such.

Just "random thoughts"...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 20 11:13:03 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:13:03 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <238C021EA0A84623B300CE30ADD6D5FA@ljt>
References: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
	<238C021EA0A84623B300CE30ADD6D5FA@ljt>
Message-ID: <4D0F808F.9010308@bellsouth.net>

On 12/20/2010 9:44 AM, Larry Tighe wrote:
> What is MMTTYY?  Is that the same as heavy metal?
No, it's a "software" TU.  Even runs (several) radios...

Try here:
<http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/>

best!

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 20 11:21:04 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:21:04 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D0F8270.103@bellsouth.net>

On 12/20/2010 9:19 AM, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
> Anyone know how to get MMTTY to run at 100wpm?

Maybe I'm not following what you're asking - but MMTTY is a 
TU - it's going to "follow" whatever baud rate it's fed 
(either audio or machine).  Just be sure you have it set for 
TNC emulation...  (and set up there for the port, etc.).

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Mon Dec 20 11:36:41 2010
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:36:41 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4D0F8270.103@bellsouth.net>
References: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
	<4D0F8270.103@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4KGFv2rmojnx2oSH08kVneNs2ivUGfUBzTcs-@mail.gmail.com>

MMTTY ist not just a simple TU. It's a decoder.
You have to set it to Baud rate 75 (bauds) in order to copy
"American" 100 WPM.

73s Henning DF3OE



2010/12/20 Randy and Sherry Guttery <comcents at bellsouth.net>

> On 12/20/2010 9:19 AM, wb0cte at netscape.net wrote:
> > Anyone know how to get MMTTY to run at 100wpm?
>
> Maybe I'm not following what you're asking - but MMTTY is a
> TU - it's going to "follow" whatever baud rate it's fed
> (either audio or machine).  Just be sure you have it set for
> TNC emulation...  (and set up there for the port, etc.).
>
> best regards...
>
> --
> randy guttery
>
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 20 11:43:15 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:43:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <28527.3617403f.3a40a61d@aol.com>
References: <28527.3617403f.3a40a61d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012201042180.2262@Frances>

Well I only ask for 100 wpm with the understanding that ITTY can support
multiple channels and 60 wpm will be continued.  I haven't used autostart,
but I assume that potentially ITTY can handle a large number of
channels.


From nagle at animats.com  Mon Dec 20 12:41:24 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:41:24 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com>

On 12/20/2010 8:43 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:09:06 -0600
> From: Randy and Sherry Guttery<comcents at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
> To: "George B. Hutchison"<w7tty at olypen.com>
> Cc: GreenKeys<GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:<4D0F7FA2.4090108 at bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> There are other sources of 100WPM available to most people
> that can get ITTY. For instance - Heavy Metal can receive AP
> and other sources (weather, stocks, etc.) - and can be set
> locally to whatever speed one likes. Most of us with
> multi-speed machines have alternative sources to "show off"
> the speeds (computer, test sets or another machine in the
> loop).
>
> So a poll of those who rely on ITTY as their primary (or
> only) way of demoing their machines (and at what speed if
> other than 60WPM) from some "always available" source might
> prove enlightening...   (as opposed to having to establish a
> HAM contact, for instance).
>
> One project I have - and it might ITTY might be a good way
> to "distribute" such - I want to start a collection of
> historical events "on file" that can be printed via Heavy
> Metal or such (on demand). Things like the announcements of
> Kennedy being shot, lunar landing, Pearl Harbor attacked,
> and such.

     I had no idea that people were having such a hard time
getting data to print for Teletype machines connected to
computers.

     Last year I wrote "BaudotRSS"

(http://sourceforge.net/projects/baudotrss/)

which will follow any number of RSS feeds and send them to
a Baudot Teletype.  I normally have this following a Reuters
RSS feed, but it can follow any RSS feed, of which there are
thousands on-line. Even Twitter, which gets banal rather fast.
It also talks to Google Voice, so that you can send SMS messages
to a Teletype.  Works on both Windows and Linux.

     On the hardware side, I have a board design for driving
60mA current loops. See "http://www.aetherltd.com/connecting.html".
The board artwork and parts list are there.
I also have a way to get low-speed serial from a USB port.
See "http://www.aetherltd.com/connectingusb.html".

     A new version of BaudotRSS is coming out soon, with a
real configuration file and the ability to talk to the
Twilio SMS gateway as well as Google Voice.

     What we actually do with a Model 15 can be seen here.

	"http://www.aetherltd.com/deployment.html"

We set up a whole steampunk telegraph office, with operators
and messengers, at steampunk conventions.  Attendees send
in messages by texting them from their cell phones.  They're
printed on a Model 15, formatted as telegrams, cut off
the roll, stamped, placed in yellow window envelopes, and
delivered around the convention by messengers.  We did
260 messages in two days at the last convention.

We'll be at the steampunk convention in Santa Clara, CA
again in March.

				John Nagle

From teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 12:53:59 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (Teletypeparts)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:53:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New to the list
In-Reply-To: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
Message-ID: <8CD6E86036FC22C-4D4-192C4@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>



Bill,

Welcome to Greenkeys!  As you already have found out, you can probably get set up with tty here if you are patient enuf.  I mostly have 32 and 33 stuff, but a lot of guys have 15's and 28's.  

Need that location for best results.  

73's

Wayne
KB1FDW





-----Original Message-----
From: Bill <bill at blcain.com>
To: GreenKeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:28 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] New to the list


Hello,
 served in the US Navy for 23 years and for about 18 of those years I 
as a teletype and KLB47 repairman. I got out in 1969 in Virginia and 
ent to work for a company that contracted to the CIA for tty overhaul 
nd repair.
n 1974 I returned to the Navy and resumed my labor of love of tty 
epair and communications. There was a time that I could take a box of 
arts and build a printer. It took  a few days but doable.
 retired in 1987 as Chief Radioman.
y first duty station was on the USS Samual N. Moore (DD-747). I 
emember the day we turned on the crypto equipment, geared the ttys for 
00wpm and stood back and watched as the printers ran for awhile and 
hen started spitting parts. It was not long before all of them had to 
et an overhaul with updated parts that would let them run at 100wpm. 
fter that, they seemed to just hum along.
 did like the 60 - or 66wpm (can't remember) unincrypted signal. Seemed 
f you concentrated real hard, you could almost read the signal, just 
ike morse code.
ot long after I retired - 5 years - give or take, it seemed like all 
he ttys were replaced with computers. Really not sure where they all went.
 One ship I was on, the USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) did a lot of "drop" 
ests of various computer terminals just to see what they could take in 
 war time environment. Sometimes it was real messy.
 have never lost my love for the 28. It was something I could almost 
old in my lap while I cleaned and adjusted it to almost perfection.
hile contracted to the CIA, we discovered that if you mix about 50% STP 
ith teletype oil, dipped the printer in it (before you install the 
lectronics and type box!)  then let it hang and "drip dry" overnight 
nd wiped it down, you could hardly hear it run. And it seemed to last a 
ittle longer between service calls.
 still have my manuals for the 28 and most of the tools I collected 
hile in the Navy. The only thing I am missing is a KSR or ASR or even 
n RO. I have not been able to find anywhere on the internet that I can 
ay my hands on one. I would truly love to be able to get a printer or 
ystem just to get back to the "old days".
ut then there is the problem of parts. Where do you folks get the parts 
o repair your systems?
nyway, this is a very informative list.
ill Cain
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From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 20 13:21:34 2010
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:21:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
References: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601cba072$cacfc100$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wb0cte at netscape.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)


> Anyone know how to get MMTTY to run at 100wpm?
> ?
> Wayne? wb0cte
>

YOu set the baud rate to 75 for 100 wpm teletype.

Go to OPTION,  SETUP, DECODE..  Then whree the Baud Rate is, change the 
45.45 that should be there for 60 wpm to 75.  The other parts should be the 
same as 60 wpm.

For the one that asked what MMTTY is, it is a sound card program that you 
feed audio into the computer and it prints out teletype to the computer, you 
can also send out the audio tones to transmitt with or just to the speakers 
so you can hear them. The program works very well and is free.  You can get 
it here:

http://www.muenster.de/~welp/sb.htm

YOu will see a lot of programs and this one is about 1/4 way down the page.

Someone mentioned the ham speed limit.  In the US it atleast up to 100 wpm 
Baudot on frequencies below 30 MHz.  I don't know about the other parts of 
the world.




From radioham at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 20 13:44:40 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:44:40 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com>
References: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>

Anything left coming over the air?  I have a 28, 51J3, and ST-6 at a 
workshop without Internet access.  I'd love to be able to run it from 
something other than punched tape.

David K0LUM

At 9:41 AM -0800 12/20/10, John Nagle wrote:
>
>
>      I had no idea that people were having such a hard time
>getting data to print for Teletype machines connected to
>computers.

From larryradio at att.net  Mon Dec 20 13:52:55 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:52:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
References: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net><4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com>
	<p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <F3F65C446C344C01ABEB1CCCE65FA7F7@ljt>

Dave,

Run an audio pair to the tty machine from the 'puter.  I did and thence my 
son installed another computer in the shack.  I use 100 and 60 WPM feeds. 
These systems are just great and lots of praise to the guys who keep them 
running.

lar
K2JIA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Christ" <radioham at mchsi.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data


> Anything left coming over the air?  I have a 28, 51J3, and ST-6 at a
> workshop without Internet access.  I'd love to be able to run it from
> something other than punched tape.
>
> David K0LUM
>
> At 9:41 AM -0800 12/20/10, John Nagle wrote:
>>
>>
>>      I had no idea that people were having such a hard time
>>getting data to print for Teletype machines connected to
>>computers.


From wa3frp at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 14:13:01 2010
From: wa3frp at aol.com (Wa3frp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:13:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] MMTTY Info for 100 WPM
Message-ID: <8CD6E910D26D03E-1304-28941@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>



Hi Wayne, 

In order to change from 45 to 75 baud (100 WPM) when using MMTTY, you must change the rate by going to the Option menu on the MMTTY RTTY Control Panel and selecting Setup. In Setup, go to the Decode tab and use the BaudRate pull-down menu to select "75", then click OK.  Once you select 75 and click OK, you will then be set to send and receive 75 baud.  If for some reason this doesn't work, close the MMTTY window and reopen it and you should be set to 75 baud. 

GL and 73
Russ WA3FRP


Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500 (EST)
From: wb0cte at netscape.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] (no subject)
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <8CD6E708007E5A7-F00-1FFA at web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Anyone know how to get MMTTY to run at 100wpm?
?
Wayne? wb0cte





From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Dec 20 14:18:51 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:18:51 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012201042180.2262@Frances>
References: <28527.3617403f.3a40a61d@aol.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012201042180.2262@Frances>
Message-ID: <000f01cba07a$bca2ef00$35e8cd00$@net>

Agree 100%



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Haynes
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:43 AM
To: Til128 at aol.com
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback

Well I only ask for 100 wpm with the understanding that ITTY can
support
multiple channels and 60 wpm will be continued.  I haven't used
autostart,
but I assume that potentially ITTY can handle a large number of
channels.

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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 20 14:35:48 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:35:48 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>	<4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com>
	<p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <4D0FB014.5020303@bellsouth.net>

On 12/20/2010 12:44 PM, David Christ wrote:
> Anything left coming over the air?  I have a 28, 51J3, and ST-6 at a
> workshop without Internet access.  I'd love to be able to run it from
> something other than punched tape.
Precious little. Then again - everything here can (and does) 
get to "air" every-so-often. Get yourself a nice inexpensive 
SSB CB. Run afsk into that - and pick it up on your 51J3. We 
ran an RTTY "net" in the Tidewater area mid 1976 through 
early 1978 - at first only a couple of us had transmit 
capability but by the time I left Newport News - there were 
quite a few.  Just one suggestion

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 14:49:09 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:49:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@10.0.1.2>
References: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com> <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@10.0.1.2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRea3G0UnVQZSQ8imvKMCsX8ToGTMT-SSADp8J@mail.gmail.com>

Some suggestions.....

KSM bulletins on Saturday afternoons
http://radiomarine.org/gallery/show?keyword=ksmstation&panel=pab1_2#pab1_2

ARRL bulletins M-F evenings
http://www.arrl.org/digital-transmissions

Midwest RTTY Net, Ohio, 7070 KHz, Weekdays, 01:00 UTC

RTTY QSO's on 20 meters - seems like mainly contesters but sometimes
you can find a nice QSO.

Nick K4NYW

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:44 PM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Anything left coming over the air? ?I have a 28, 51J3, and ST-6 at a
> workshop without Internet access. ?I'd love to be able to run it from
> something other than punched tape.
>
> David K0LUM
>
> At 9:41 AM -0800 12/20/10, John Nagle wrote:
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?I had no idea that people were having such a hard time
>>getting data to print for Teletype machines connected to
>>computers.
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From epvgk at limpoc.com  Mon Dec 20 15:11:20 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:11:20 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Request for Feedback
In-Reply-To: <4D0F7FA2.4090108@bellsouth.net>
References: <000d01cb9fa7$daa67d10$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<4D0F7FA2.4090108@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <20101220201119.GA28357@limpoc.com>

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:09:06AM -0600, Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
> 
> One project I have - and it might ITTY might be a good way 
> to "distribute" such - I want to start a collection of 
> historical events "on file" that can be printed via Heavy 
> Metal or such (on demand). Things like the announcements of 
> Kennedy being shot, lunar landing, Pearl Harbor attacked, 
> and such.
> 
> Just "random thoughts"...
> 

One's cynical self wonders half in jest if all the people selling "Original 
JFK assassination teletype!" printouts on Ebay have exactly this sort of
collection of data, some rolls of old yellowed paper, and a nice model 15 
to print them out on as needed when cash runs low. :)

Fwiw, regarding the 100wpm speed ITTY - it's fun to watch my M28 copying
it at that speed, but I usually leave it set to 60wpm/45baud because the 
letter spacing gets a little less uniform at the higher speed, and the
machine makes much more noise. If there's no cost or trouble associated
with it I say let it stay, but if not, I'd rather see 60wpm-only than 100. 

eric

From epvgk at limpoc.com  Mon Dec 20 15:14:09 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:14:09 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <mailman.28368.1292863400.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4D0F9544.8050708@animats.com> <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20101220201409.GB28357@limpoc.com>

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:44:40PM -0600, David Christ wrote:
> Anything left coming over the air?  I have a 28, 51J3, and ST-6 at a 
> workshop without Internet access.  I'd love to be able to run it from 
> something other than punched tape.
> 
> David K0LUM

There seem to still be frequent RTTY contests on the amateur bands 
if you want to print lots of CQ CQ CQ!

> 
> At 9:41 AM -0800 12/20/10, John Nagle wrote:
> >
> >
> >      I had no idea that people were having such a hard time
> >getting data to print for Teletype machines connected to
> >computers.
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From wa3frp at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 15:59:03 2010
From: wa3frp at aol.com (Wa3frp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:59:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
Message-ID: <8CD6E9FDE18D583-13E0-1D28@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>


Hi David,
 
If you are looking for commercial traffic, I suggest that you look for DDK9 if you would like to print weather data.

A description and list of frequencies can be found here:

http://www.dwd.de/bvbw/generator/DWDWWW/Content/Schifffahrt/Sendeplan/Schedule__rtty__01,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/Schedule_rtty_01.pdf

Note that this is 50 baud, 450 Hz shift, reverse, with unshift on space disabled.  The 10100.8 transmission (30M) are usually received very well here on the east coast of the USA  in the early morning and then again in the afternoon. A Teletype Model 28 geared at 45.45 baud will receive a 50 Baud transmission well if the range is set low, around 30 points. 

Alternately, there are a number of Ham radio stations on the air most times of the year.   Some are transmitting from interesting places. You can find these stations as they are spotted via the DX Cluster.  

Try http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=505    Anything with RTTY in the comments field will be running
45.45 baud, 170 shift, with unshift on space enabled.   There are some contests where the participants run 75 baud, but these are rare.

For a list of RTTY DXPeditions to really rare locations, check out  http://www.ng3k.com/Misc/adxo.html

A couple of interesting operations over the next month that will include RTTY are:

Temotu Province - December 21 to January 23
 
 
By DK9FN as H40FN and DG1FK as H40FK fm Nendo I (OC-100); 160-6m; CW PSK RTTY; QSL H40FN via HA8FW and H40FK via DG1FK
 
?        Ogasawara - December 24 to January 3 - JD1BLY
 
 
By JI5RPT fm Chichijima I (AS-031); 160-10m, focus on low bands; CW SSB + digital and satellite
 
?        Ogasawara - December 30 to January 8- JD1BMH 
 
By JG7PSJ fm Chichijima I (AS-031); 160-10m, focus on low bands; CW SSB + digital and satellite
 
?        Solomon Islands ? January 1 to January 6 - H44DA
 
By VK4KHZ fm Guadalcanal; HF + 6m, focus on 6m; yagis; holiday style operation
 
?        Spratley Island ? January 6 to January 24 - DX0DX
 
By VK3FY + team fm Pag-asa I
 
?        Christmas Island ? January 14 to January 20 - VK9XA
 
By JA3BZO, also JH3PBL (VK9XL), JI3DNN (VK9XN), JA3AVO (VK9XO), JA3UJR (VK9XJR), JA1CJA (VK9XXY), JA3HJI (TBD); QSL via home_call
 
?        Vanuatu - January 27 to February 2 - YJ8HP
 
By DL9GRE; HF; also DL2NUD using YJ8GR, QRV on 2m & up EME; call signs tentative
 
?        South Orkney Islands - January 27 to February 8 - VP8o
 
By K9ZO ND2T 9V1YC K0IR N1DG W3WL N6MZ I8NHJ N4GRN WB9Z W7EW VE3EJ K6AW EY8MM as TBD; 160-10m; SSB CW RTTY; Buro cards may be requested on Web page
 
73 es GL printing these...

Russ WA3FRP



Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:44:40 -0600
From: David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <p06240802c93553ccb5a8@[10.0.1.2]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Anything left coming over the air?  I have a 28, 51J3, and ST-6 at a 
workshop without Internet access.  I'd love to be able to run it from 
something other than punched tape.

David K0LUM



From ecom1 at mhsdesign.com  Mon Dec 20 17:53:06 2010
From: ecom1 at mhsdesign.com (Ron Boltz)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:53:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
Message-ID: <98496669003343DE9EE65F62A8255EF7@Optiplex170>

10.943 is still running at 100wpm 850 shift 24 hours a day.  10.536 Which
was WX is now dead as of 60 days ago.  Not much left.

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ




From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Dec 20 17:57:17 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:57:17 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <98496669003343DE9EE65F62A8255EF7@Optiplex170>
References: <98496669003343DE9EE65F62A8255EF7@Optiplex170>
Message-ID: <004901cba099$4c9dedd0$e5d9c970$@net>

I think the CFH weather station in Nove Scotia has finally
disapperaed. I have not heard traffic on any of their
frequeucnies for quite some time.  They were a great source of
850 shift, 100 RTTY weather traffic.

The problem with trying to copy Ham RTTY these days is that
most of the PC-based RTTY does not send the end of line sequence
needed by our mechanical machines (CR/LF). 

Jack K0TTY





-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Boltz
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:53 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data

10.943 is still running at 100wpm 850 shift 24 hours a day.  10.536
Which
was WX is now dead as of 60 days ago.  Not much left.

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ



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From steveripper at comcast.net  Mon Dec 20 18:23:54 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:23:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <004901cba099$4c9dedd0$e5d9c970$@net>
References: <98496669003343DE9EE65F62A8255EF7@Optiplex170>
	<004901cba099$4c9dedd0$e5d9c970$@net>
Message-ID: <000001cba09d$01869d20$0493d760$@net>

Jack:

I noticed this too several months ago. I contacted the Canadian Armed Forces
directly earlier this month and was told they are off the air permanently
and now using other methods (did say which) to communicate with ships and
aircraft.

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:57 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data

I think the CFH weather station in Nove Scotia has finally
disapperaed. I have not heard traffic on any of their
frequeucnies for quite some time.  They were a great source of
850 shift, 100 RTTY weather traffic.

The problem with trying to copy Ham RTTY these days is that
most of the PC-based RTTY does not send the end of line sequence
needed by our mechanical machines (CR/LF). 

Jack K0TTY





-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Boltz
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:53 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data

10.943 is still running at 100wpm 850 shift 24 hours a day.  10.536
Which
was WX is now dead as of 60 days ago.  Not much left.

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ



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From bill at blcain.com  Mon Dec 20 21:24:06 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:24:06 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Bill is New to the list
In-Reply-To: <CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com>

This is a re-send. Was not sure how to reply to the list.

Hello again.
Thanks for all the replies.
I live in Newberry Springs, Ca. About 20 miles east of Barstow, Ca on I 
40. Kind of in the middle of the desert. We live on 10 fenced acres  on 
the side of Newberry Mountain.
Wonderful views!
All of our "natural born" are grown, married and live in Vegas and 
Texas. We have 2 adopted boys, ages 15 and 12. Adopted them when they 
were both about 5.
With my luck, I'm sure that there is nobody in my area or within 100 
miles that would be willing to part with a unit, but I would be willing 
to try to find someone.
Thanks for the offers, I think it is great!!.
Merry Christmas to all.
Bill



On 12/19/2010 7:46 PM, Don Robert House wrote:
> HI Bill,
>
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY!
> I served from 1962 to 1968 as an AX and aircrewman.  I am third
> generation
> US Navy and proud of it.  I recently helped dedicate a memorial to the
> crew
> of PR-21 shot down over the Sea of Japan on April 15, 1969.
>
> This list is normally quite helpful.  I have been on and off of it
> since 2001.
> Many of the people on the list are very liberal so don't send anything
> that
> is Off Topic.  I have had my eyeballs burned several times.
>
> I have several Model 28s here.  Probably too many for one person.
> Let me know where you are located.  Perhaps I can provide you with one
> to enjoy.
>
> With all respect,
> Don K9TTY
> former AX2(AC) USN
> Curator Emeritus - NADCOMM
> http://www.nadcomm.com/
>
> P.S. I am copying some of the more helpful gents on GREENKEYS...
>
> On 19 Dec 2010, at 9:28 PM, Bill wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I served in the US Navy for 23 years and for about 18 of those years I
> was a teletype and KLB47 repairman. I got out in 1969 in Virginia and
> went to work for a company that contracted to the CIA for tty overhaul
> and repair.
> In 1974 I returned to the Navy and resumed my labor of love of tty
> repair and communications. There was a time that I could take a box of
> parts and build a printer. It took  a few days but doable.
> I retired in 1987 as Chief Radioman.
> My first duty station was on the USS Samual N. Moore (DD-747). I
> remember the day we turned on the crypto equipment, geared the ttys for
> 100wpm and stood back and watched as the printers ran for awhile and
> then started spitting parts. It was not long before all of them had to
> get an overhaul with updated parts that would let them run at 100wpm.
> After that, they seemed to just hum along.
> I did like the 60 - or 66wpm (can't remember) unincrypted signal. Seemed
> if you concentrated real hard, you could almost read the signal, just
> like morse code.
> Not long after I retired - 5 years - give or take, it seemed like all
> the ttys were replaced with computers. Really not sure where they all
> went.
>  One ship I was on, the USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) did a lot of "drop"
> tests of various computer terminals just to see what they could take in
> a war time environment. Sometimes it was real messy.
> I have never lost my love for the 28. It was something I could almost
> hold in my lap while I cleaned and adjusted it to almost perfection.
> While contracted to the CIA, we discovered that if you mix about 50% STP
> with teletype oil, dipped the printer in it (before you install the
> electronics and type box!)  then let it hang and "drip dry" overnight
> and wiped it down, you could hardly hear it run. And it seemed to last a
> little longer between service calls.
> I still have my manuals for the 28 and most of the tools I collected
> while in the Navy. The only thing I am missing is a KSR or ASR or even
> an RO. I have not been able to find anywhere on the internet that I can
> lay my hands on one. I would truly love to be able to get a printer or
> system just to get back to the "old days".
> But then there is the problem of parts. Where do you folks get the parts
> to repair your systems?
> Anyway, this is a very informative list.
> Bill Cain
>
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From bill at blcain.com  Mon Dec 20 21:56:28 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:56:28 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Good info
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012202047230.4073@Frances>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>
	<4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012202047230.4073@Frances>
Message-ID: <4D10175C.2000607@blcain.com>

Thanks. I have checked often on Ebay. Found a lot of stuff not to my 
liking. Have not tried craigslist. Think I will check out the other two 
you suggest.

On 12/20/2010 6:50 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> OK.  Machines do turn up from time to time in the Los Angeles area,
> since there were a lot of them there.  Just keep watching this list,
> and ebay, and craigslist and maybe some ham radio lists like eham.net
> and qrz.com.  Some ebay sellers have a very exaggerated idea of what
> these things are worth - often they can be had for the asking.
>
>

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 20 22:28:24 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:28:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Changing baud rate in MMTTY
Message-ID: <30099443.1292902104448.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I've been using MMTTY on and off for many years and always cursed the designer for not making it easier to change the baud rate.  (I occasionaly like to tune around on the HF bands in vain hopes of finding something to copy; like in the "old" days)

I just stumbled on how to quickly change the baud rate!

On the upper left side of the main page is an area labeled "Demodulator"  If you click on the third word down (normally "VCO", "BW" or "Tap") it turns into "Baud" and you can select the baud rate with the down arrow!!

Have fun,

Duncan, K2OEQ

(formerly in the Army Security Agency:
  "In God we trust,
   All others we monitor")
 

From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 21 00:17:47 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:17:47 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Finding a TTY...
In-Reply-To: <4D102CDC.2080808@bellsouth.net>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>
	<4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com> <4D102CDC.2080808@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4D10387B.8000401@blcain.com>

What a great project. That would keep me busy for days and I would love it!
Thanks for the link.
Bill

On 12/20/2010 8:28 PM, Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
> On 12/20/2010 8:24 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Thanks for all the replies.
>> I live in Newberry Springs, Ca. About 20 miles east of Barstow, Ca on I
>> 40.
> Wow - sorta in the middle of no where!   I *used* to live in L. A. - 
> as did Jeff (he's in Ranger Tex).  Also did some time in Lakeport 
> (Clear Lake) and San Francisco (actually Vallejo). Now we're in 
> Mississippi.
>
> I mentioned building one...   Here is the scoop on that:
>
> http://www.comcents.com/tty/tty.php
>
> I wouldn't recommend such a project for a lot of people - but it 
> sounds like it's something you could manage.  Then again - LA has a 
> vast number of HAMs, etc. that likely have gear that can be had...  
> and having a bunch of Greenkeyers looking out for stuff won't hurt.
>
> So hang in there - it'll happen!
>

From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 21 11:43:06 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:43:06 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Good info
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHtu-+6FQs_+GccaApP215NyZsQUc8vtyfs8RZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>	<4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com>	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012202047230.4073@Frances>	<4D10175C.2000607@blcain.com>
	<AANLkTikHtu-+6FQs_+GccaApP215NyZsQUc8vtyfs8RZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D10D91A.4000904@blcain.com>

Thanks for the info and link
I just can't help but wonder what could have happened to all the TTYs 
and parts after the military and government went to computers. There had 
to be tens of thousands of the units and tons of parts. Can't imagine 
someone digging a huge hole  and just pushing them all in.
Bill

On 12/21/2010 4:57 AM, Nick England wrote:
> Hi Bill - Also ask around at your local ham radio clubs or put a
> WANTED ad into their newsletters - folks were active on M28's back in
> the 60's-70's but have moved on to computers so a 28ASR may just be
> holding up a pile of magazines in a garage somewhere....
>
> By the way, I have a bunch of web pages on Navy RATT equipment starting at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/rtty.htm
>
> good luck,
> Nick K4NYW
> http://www.navy-radio.com/misc/shack.htm
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Bill<bill at blcain.com>  wrote:
>> Thanks. I have checked often on Ebay. Found a lot of stuff not to my
>> liking. Have not tried craigslist. Think I will check out the other two
>> you suggest.
>>

From larryradio at att.net  Tue Dec 21 12:38:10 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:38:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Good info
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>	<4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com>	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012202047230.4073@Frances>	<4D10175C.2000607@blcain.com><AANLkTikHtu-+6FQs_+GccaApP215NyZsQUc8vtyfs8RZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D10D91A.4000904@blcain.com>
Message-ID: <E15E8B3592F64931AD6876FC1A465B8D@ljt>

In the US Government's ultimate wisdom, they're probably stored, at great 
expense, in some warehouse and will be released in 20+ years when they are 
sure the "enemy" cannot any longer use them!  After that, they will proceed 
to China to be melted down and sold back to the US in some other form.

lar
K2JIA


----- Original Message ----- > I just can't help but wonder what could have 
happened to all the TTYs
> and parts after the military and government went to computers. There had
> to be tens of thousands of the units and tons of parts. Can't imagine
> someone digging a huge hole  and just pushing them all in.
> Bill


From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 21 13:18:23 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:18:23 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Finding a TTY...
In-Reply-To: <001801cba114$d16b7750$744265f0$@net>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>	<4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com>
	<4D102CDC.2080808@bellsouth.net> <4D10387B.8000401@blcain.com>
	<001801cba114$d16b7750$744265f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4D10EF6F.4080901@blcain.com>

That would be great. Please let me know what you would like for it all 
and shipping costs (via UPS) if possible. FedX has a hard time finding 
me and UPS is out here about 3 times a month. Any pictures?
Thanks again.
Bill

On 12/21/2010 5:41 AM, Jack wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I might be able to hlep you with a "project" 28.
> I have a 28 RO base, a motor and I believe I have
> a workable typing unit. This stuff is easy enough
> to pack and ship and it would give you a basic
> 28 to play with. You can use Heavymetal or ITTY
> to run it. You might be able to find a keyboard
> eventually...
>
> Let me know...I'll have to do some digging to
> find eveything.
>
> Jack K0TTY - Kansas City, MO
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:18 PM
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Finding a TTY...
>
> What a great project. That would keep me busy for days and I would
> love it!
> Thanks for the link.
> Bill
>
> On 12/20/2010 8:28 PM, Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
>> On 12/20/2010 8:24 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Thanks for all the replies.
>>> I live in Newberry Springs, Ca. About 20 miles east of Barstow, Ca
> on I
>>> 40.
>> Wow - sorta in the middle of no where!   I *used* to live in L. A. -
>> as did Jeff (he's in Ranger Tex).  Also did some time in Lakeport
>> (Clear Lake) and San Francisco (actually Vallejo). Now we're in
>> Mississippi.
>>
>> I mentioned building one...   Here is the scoop on that:
>>
>> http://www.comcents.com/tty/tty.php
>>
>> I wouldn't recommend such a project for a lot of people - but it
>> sounds like it's something you could manage.  Then again - LA has a
>> vast number of HAMs, etc. that likely have gear that can be had...
>> and having a bunch of Greenkeyers looking out for stuff won't hurt.
>>
>> So hang in there - it'll happen!
>>
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From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 21 14:01:14 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:01:14 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Where did those TT parts end up - some are here...
In-Reply-To: <8CD6F573EDF5D57-5F8-3E7@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD6F573EDF5D57-5F8-3E7@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D10F97A.6040900@blcain.com>

This looks like THE source for everything TTY!
Thanks
Bill

On 12/21/2010 10:51 AM, Wa3frp wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> Some of those TT parts can be found here:
>
> http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm
> 73
> Russ

From mlinger at civil.tamu.edu  Tue Dec 21 14:13:04 2010
From: mlinger at civil.tamu.edu (Linger, Mike)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:13:04 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] lost TTY equipment
Message-ID: <5C47675CBB006B409C9FD41B1738E561028F8394@civil-mail2.civil.ad.tamu.edu>

I visited Tobyhanna's military base in Maryland about 6 or 7 years ago.
In particular I visited the building where they restore all the
military's communications gear, including, believe it or not, TTY
equipment.  When I was there they were doing total refurbishing of TTY
communications shelters that had the old TT-100's, TT-4, etc., (most
which had already been done).  He said they still had guys on staff that
are trained in on the TTY machines.  BTW,  I saw several KWM-2A
transceivers in large roll around baskets that also had new high-tech
equipment radios stacked along side of them, all being distributed to
various specific work stations where they would be refurbished.  I
finally had to ask them why they were messing with the old TTY stuff.
The guy told me that most of that stuff was there from other countries
for rebuilding and subsequent usage again.  The TTY buildings belonged
to the S. Korean military.  Some of it belonged to S. African countries.
He said that although we may consider it obsolete equipment, other
countries use this stuff all the time and prefer the ruggedness of it in
areas where power surges and other problems (software failures, etc.)
make the computers useless.  It was really pretty interesting to see all
that stuff again.  .............Mike.


From telegrapher at q.com  Tue Dec 21 23:14:19 2010
From: telegrapher at q.com (LARRY D GODEK)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:14:19 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Bulletins
Message-ID: <BLU139-W29FAB4678817C180794461A71B0@phx.gbl>


I have found a book called "A Selection of Early Amateur Radioteletype RTTY Bulletins".  This coves the time frame from 1946 into the early 50's describing some operations and the organization of early RTTY operations.  W2BFD being the primary mover it appears.  Couple of pictures and lots of TTY "print" letters and articles of interest.  Anyone interested in this?  Published byAmateur Radioteletype Society, 38-06 61st St, Woodside 77, N.Y.  No date but this is Vol. 1.  Interesting reading and history on the hobby.
 
$5 and postage.  
 
Larry
W0OGH
 		 	   		  

From telegrapher at q.com  Wed Dec 22 11:14:15 2010
From: telegrapher at q.com (LARRY D GODEK)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:14:15 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rtty book
Message-ID: <BLU139-W2760E67FD6D082BABA2C1EA71B0@phx.gbl>


It has been spoken for.   
 
Larry
W0OGH
 		 	   		  

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 22 12:12:29 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:12:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Bulletins
In-Reply-To: <BLU139-W29FAB4678817C180794461A71B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU139-W29FAB4678817C180794461A71B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012221053520.3044@Frances>

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, LARRY D GODEK wrote:
> I have found a book called "A Selection of Early Amateur Radioteletype RTTY Bulletins".  This coves the time frame from 1946 into the early 50's describing some operations and the organization of early RTTY operations.  W2BFD being the primary mover it appears.  Couple of pictures and lots of TTY "print" letters and articles of interest.  Anyone interested in this?  Published byAmateur Radioteletype Society, 38-06 61st St, Woodside 77, N.Y.  No date but this is Vol. 1.  Interesting reading and history on the hobby.
>
I have a copy of that.

Amateur Radio Teletype Society and VHF Teletype Society were two 
organizations in the New York city area which seem to have been
the same group - I don't know why there were two different names.
Their early publications were produced on TTY machines, using multi-copy
paper and punched tape equipment.  They seemed able to get Western Union
junk; and I've also heard that a lot of Model 12 machines came out of
the New York Police Dept. when they were forced to upgrade to more modern
machines because Teletype no longer made parts for the 12s.

Most operation was on 2 meters using AFSK tones; and they tended to run
quite a bit of power to get what coverage they could.  At the time it
was not legal to use FSK on HF.  There was limited use of make-and-break
keying for RTTY on HF.

Later the organization moved to a printed bulletin which came out rather
irregularly.  Wayne Green W2NSD was the bulletin editor, and also wrote
a bimonthly RTTY column in CQ magazine.  At times the organization claimed
to be the "national" RTTY society.  However it never achieved as much
national coverage as the RTTY magazine put out by Merrill Swan W6AEE
and the Southern California Radio Teletype Society.  Wayne went on to
become the editor at CQ.  There were internal dissensions; and eventually
the ARTS organization faded away.


From jangus at suddenlink.net  Wed Dec 22 12:19:51 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:19:51 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Sort of off topic, station is on the air, kind of.
Message-ID: <4D123337.2080806@suddenlink.net>

I know some of you actually operate RTTY.

After a fairly long absence from causing QRM, I decided to
try and get the station back on the air.

Amazing how well a short Windom antenna works.

I am NOT looking forward to dragging the Lorenz Lo-15c
up a flight of stairs to put in the radio room. NOR the
cabinet the 386 and the ST-8000A resides in or the Collins
51J3, but hey we all have our cross to bear right?

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From elvispharris at rtmc.net  Thu Dec 23 15:33:27 2010
From: elvispharris at rtmc.net (johnpaul harris)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:33:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
Message-ID: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>

A seller  known as surfcaster43 has 24 pounds of teletype parts for  
sale.

Item number 370468633293.  The buyitnow price is $99.  Other teletype  
items coming up for sale in the future.  Hope this helps someone.

Merry Christmas,

Johnpaul

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 23 16:06:47 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:06:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
In-Reply-To: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
References: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
Message-ID: <4D13B9E7.5070202@bellsouth.net>

On 12/23/2010 2:33 PM, johnpaul harris wrote:
> A seller  known as surfcaster43 has 24 pounds of teletype parts for
> sale.
>
> Item number 370468633293.  The buyitnow price is $99.  Other teletype
> items coming up for sale in the future.  Hope this helps someone.
>
Ah- hmmm....    maybe I'm nuts - but I sure think one of 
those "parts" is out of an R-390 or such... notice the gear 
and two cams on a shaft--- that sure looks like an RF gear 
train gear/cam to me...     Wonder what "else" is in that 
pile????

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From jjc at oceanviewcom.com  Thu Dec 23 17:54:19 2010
From: jjc at oceanviewcom.com (Jim Conrad)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:54:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
In-Reply-To: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
References: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
Message-ID: <20101223224503.17C7AE3800A@smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>

Hi All,

I will also be posting a large quantity (I estimate hundreds of small 
parts and a few larger parts such as print wheels) of new government 
surplus TTY parts that I have had in storage for a while. I just have 
to get the time to inventory them because I will be selling them by 
item not as a lot. Anyone interested in the list email me privately 
and I will send you an email when I post the items on ebay and will 
be happy to send a complete list by part number to anyone interested.

My Ebay store is http://stores.ebay.com/Ocean-View-Communications

Happy Holidays,
Jim

At 03:33 PM 12/23/2010, you wrote:
>A seller  known as surfcaster43 has 24 pounds of teletype parts for
>sale.
>
>Item number 370468633293.  The buyitnow price is $99.  Other teletype
>items coming up for sale in the future.  Hope this helps someone.

<:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:>
         Jim Conrad - jjc at oceanviewcom.com
           757-560-5970 - 757-512-5710 Fax
            Amateur Radio Callsign N4WFP
  CAGE 0UD60 - http://www.oceanviewcom.com 


From bill at blcain.com  Thu Dec 23 17:55:41 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (blcain)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:55:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
In-Reply-To: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
References: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
Message-ID: <1146130083.317250.1293144941168.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de>

Can't seem to find the sellers name or the item number. Maybe they are gone by
now?
Bill

?

On December 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM johnpaul harris <elvispharris at rtmc.net> wrote:

> A seller? known as surfcaster43 has 24 pounds of teletype parts for?
> sale.
>
> Item number 370468633293.? The buyitnow price is $99.? Other teletype?
> items coming up for sale in the future.? Hope this helps someone.
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
> Johnpaul
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 23 18:19:34 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:19:34 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
In-Reply-To: <1146130083.317250.1293144941168.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de>
References: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
	<1146130083.317250.1293144941168.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxusltgw00.schlund.de>
Message-ID: <4D13D906.4080800@bellsouth.net>

On 12/23/2010 4:55 PM, blcain wrote:
> Can't seem to find the sellers name or the item number. Maybe they are gone by
> now?

Try this:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370468633293>


-- 
rg


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 23 18:20:48 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:20:48 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
In-Reply-To: <20101223224503.17C7AE3800A@smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>
References: <BA051DA3-EBA7-47D8-89AC-65236FBB9DBE@rtmc.net>
	<20101223224503.17C7AE3800A@smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>
Message-ID: <4D13D950.7010208@bellsouth.net>

On 12/23/2010 4:54 PM, Jim Conrad wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I will also be posting a large quantity (I estimate hundreds of small
> parts and a few larger parts such as print wheels) of new government
> surplus TTY parts

Do you have some idea of what model(s) they are for?

thanks

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From wb0cte at netscape.net  Thu Dec 23 18:25:48 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:25:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay
In-Reply-To: <4D13D906.4080800@bellsouth.net>
References: <4D13D906.4080800@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <8CD710FDD87BCAF-EB8-69E3@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com>

They are still there as of 5:24 CDT? 
370468633293


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy and Sherry Guttery &lt;comcents at bellsouth.net&gt;
To: blcain &lt;bill at blcain.com&gt;
Cc: GreenKeys &lt;GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teletype parts on ebay




On 12/23/2010 4:55 PM, blcain wrote: 
&gt; Can't seem to find the sellers name or the item number. Maybe they are gone by 
&gt; now? 
 
Try this: 
&lt;http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370468633293&gt; 
 
 
--  
rg 
 
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From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 23 19:16:07 2010
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:16:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 100 Speed ITTY Channel
References: <1af4f.565b31c7.3a3e5f45@aol.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.02.1012181317110.2582@Frances>
Message-ID: <01c801cba2ff$c2d6ac40$2602a8c0@emachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> length of 69 characters if margins are equal on both sides.  Maybe you
> could let it go to 72 characters, by encroaching on the right margin, or
> even a few more by readjusting the left margin.  I didn't check the
> right margin setting.
>
> When I say we can be smart about it with a computer, I mean we can see
> where the last word on the line will end and insert a CR-LF sequence
> wherever needed to prevent exceeding any line length we choose.  Or we
> could even hyphenate, but that may involve more smarts than we want
> to invest.
>
>

It should not be a problem for the computers to limit the line lenghts. 
Almost 20 years ago I wrote a 'glass teletype' program  that would let you 
type on the computer keyboard.  I set it to look for a space between words 
after 65 or 68 characters (don't remember which) and after that space it 
would do an end of line sequence of CR,CR,LF,LTRS.  If it did not see a 
space after that, it would force a end of line sequence at 72 charcters. 
All this was done at the computer machine language level.  It should only 
take a few more lines of code to add the hyphen.

I have a Modle 19 and it is irriatating when the  computers do not send the 
EOL sequence and all I get is a black box at the end of the line.
The computer program does not have this problem.


From epvgk at limpoc.com  Thu Dec 23 19:29:26 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:29:26 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] anyone want a paper tape punch from an ASR33?
Message-ID: <20101224002926.GA6238@limpoc.com>

I'm visiting my folks in connecticut for christmas and came across a 
paper tape punch mechanism, the last remains of an ASR33 that once 
lived here. I don't know how complete it is or if it's damaged, but
it's certainly good at least for parts. If anyone would like it, 
it's free for the taking - just let me know in the next couple of
days so I can ship it out before I leave here. 

eric

From epvgk at limpoc.com  Fri Dec 24 10:45:36 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:45:36 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] anyone want a paper tape punch from an ASR33?
In-Reply-To: <20101224002926.GA6238@limpoc.com>
References: <20101224002926.GA6238@limpoc.com>
Message-ID: <20101224154536.GA12837@limpoc.com>

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 04:29:26PM -0800, epvgk at limpoc.com wrote:
> I'm visiting my folks in connecticut for christmas and came across a 
> paper tape punch mechanism, the last remains of an ASR33 that once 
> lived here. I don't know how complete it is or if it's damaged, but
> it's certainly good at least for parts. If anyone would like it, 
> it's free for the taking - just let me know in the next couple of
> days so I can ship it out before I leave here. 
> 
> eric

Hi, folks - 

Wow, lots of interest. The punch mechanism is spoken for. Thanks for your
replies!

Eric. 

From dhunter at islandregister.com  Fri Dec 24 12:24:29 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:24:29 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <4D149F0D.14315.1EF09AC@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Merry Christmas!

THis has been a great ear for my collection, and great 
strides have been made during the year. I wand to wish 
everyone on the list a Very Merry Christmas, and a Happy 
New Year!

Below you will find a little note describing a slightly off-
topic occurance in our household.

If you would like to also see a photo of that occurance, 
see:

http://www.islandregister.com/whatsnew.html

Bobbi's first Christmas tree:

 As did many others, we decorated our Christmas tree last 
weekend. Now, there were three small obstacles in our way, 
namely Smokey, Amber, and Bobbi, our three cats. This will 
be Smokey's third Christmas, Amber's second, and Bobbi's 
first. We have learned over the years, that cats love 
Christmas just as much as children do.

While we assembled the artificial tree, we had to fend off 
three little varmints, who, as we assembled it, were trying 
to climb it. When we got it almost erected, Bobbi made it 
all the way to the top! Was that an angel on top of the 
tree? No, its an bratty, wee excited cat! She kept peeking 
at us from between the branches as she climbed. She knew 
she shouldn't do it, but we were patient, knowing it was 
her first experience with a tree. We finally did get it 
decorated, then three cats lined up under it to look up the 
majestic tree at the ornaments and lights. Needless to say, 
we firmly guyed the tree against the four legged marauders.

The next morning, we really didn't expect the tree to still 
be upright, but got up to find only a few balls on the 
floor, some tinsel rope off, but the tree undamaged. 
Boldly, as Linda tried to re-hang the first ball, Bobbi 
promptly golfed it back off. I mention Bobbi's part in all 
of this, but all three were involved. We are thinking that 
this may be the tree's last year, and that next year, we 
may replace it with a new smaller one. I am glad though, 
that all of our furry babies each had a chance to enjoy the 
tree. By Tuesday, they were pretty well leaving it alone - 
the novelty must have passed. In years past, some of our 
cats have known there would be presents for them, and have 
dug under it, found them, and opened their presents before 
Christmas day. It is amazing how they could sniff them out! 
We have learned to put the cat gifts under the tree at the 
last moment. The tree looks a bit rough thanks to several 
years running of damage from the beasts, but they love it 
so much!

I have always loved children's first experience with 
Christmas and Christmas trees - even when that kid is a wee 
cat! 

Dave, VY2AC

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From jangus at suddenlink.net  Fri Dec 24 15:25:02 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:25:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <4D149F0D.14315.1EF09AC@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4D149F0D.14315.1EF09AC@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4D15019E.1000600@suddenlink.net>

On 12/24/2010 11:24 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:
> I have always loved children's first experience with
> Christmas and Christmas trees - even when that kid is
> a wee cat!

When I see a tree in the living room, I think "Oooh, Christmas!"
When my dogs see it, they think, "Oh boy, indoor plumbing!"

Merry Christmas indeed everyone.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Fri Dec 24 17:36:22 2010
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony j. podrasky)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:36:22 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <4D15019E.1000600@suddenlink.net>
References: <4D149F0D.14315.1EF09AC@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4D15019E.1000600@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D152066.9070803@gmail.com>

I'm in complete agreement:

o Cats + Christmas Trees = *ROCK*

o Dogs + Christmas Trees = Bad Plan

UE
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> On 12/24/2010 11:24 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:
> 
>>I have always loved children's first experience with
>>Christmas and Christmas trees - even when that kid is
>>a wee cat!
> 
> When I see a tree in the living room, I think "Oooh, Christmas!"
> When my dogs see it, they think, "Oh boy, indoor plumbing!"
> 
> Merry Christmas indeed everyone.

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | Why does your dog keep staring at me and growling?
                  |  Because he thinks you're stealing food from him.
                  |   Why would he think that?
                  |    Probably 'cuz you're eating out of his bowl...

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Fri Dec 24 17:44:08 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:44:08 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <4D152066.9070803@gmail.com>
References: <4D149F0D.14315.1EF09AC@dhunter.islandregister.com>	<4D15019E.1000600@suddenlink.net>
	<4D152066.9070803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D152238.6020909@suddenlink.net>

On 12/24/2010 4:36 PM, tony j. podrasky wrote:
> I'm in complete agreement:
>
> o Cats + Christmas Trees = *ROCK*
>
> o Dogs + Christmas Trees = Bad Plan
Actually my dogs are fairly civilized with the tree....
Until a paw comes out of nowhere and bats them
on the nose. Then they'll stand there barking at
the tree until I tell them to be quiet. Then they come
back over to me and try to mooch snacks.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Fri Dec 24 18:12:14 2010
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony j. podrasky)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:12:14 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <4D152238.6020909@suddenlink.net>
References: <4D149F0D.14315.1EF09AC@dhunter.islandregister.com>	<4D15019E.1000600@suddenlink.net>
	<4D152066.9070803@gmail.com> <4D152238.6020909@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D1528CE.7060905@gmail.com>

Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> On 12/24/2010 4:36 PM, tony j. podrasky wrote:
> 
>> I'm in complete agreement:
>>
>> o Cats + Christmas Trees = *ROCK*
>>
>> o Dogs + Christmas Trees = Bad Plan
> 
> Actually my dogs are fairly civilized with the tree....
> Until a paw comes out of nowhere and bats them
> on the nose. Then they'll stand there barking at
> the tree until I tell them to be quiet. 
>
> Then they come back over to me and try to mooch snacks.

Yeah - tell me 'bout it!

The kitchen was between the den and the bathroom. Which means
that if I was doing something in the den and then needed to go
to the bathroom, I would have to pass thru the kitchen.

When I'd get up from the couch, and the dogs saw me head in
the direction of the kitchen, they'd raise their heads and
perk-up their ears. If I touched a cupboard door, or the
refrigerator, or crinkled a potato chip bag, you'd hear
THUD-THUD-THUD as the 3 of them flew off the couches and ran
into the kitchen!

--
NOW - an on-topic question:

I've noticed, in the last few postings, that I do not receive my
original post - but when someone responds to it (like Jeffrey did
to this one) I go get their response.

Anyone else seeing this?

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC


-- 
  *->E-MAIL LIES<-* |``Here is the information YOU requested''
     PRESENTED BY   |``Saw your posting and knew you'd be interested''
  Tony J. Podrasky  |``ERN $50,000 A WEAK LISSENING TOO WAT I TEL YOU''
                    |``To be removed from this list, hit REPLY''

From Til128 at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 04:31:14 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 04:31:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <3d38d.7e5e5f9.3a4713e2@aol.com>

I would  like to add my best wishes to all  by wishing all a very merry 
Christmas!

Tom Tillson  


From WY3XinSC at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 25 12:17:01 2010
From: WY3XinSC at earthlink.net (Web Williams)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:17:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Cats and Christmas trees
In-Reply-To: <mailman.103.1293296469.32357.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.103.1293296469.32357.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4D16270D.5000405@earthlink.net>

Y'all don't want to know where I found tinsel a few
days after the tree was up! I didn't know that dogs
would find it so tasty! -Web

From pete at petelancashire.com  Sat Dec 25 17:23:21 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:23:21 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Cats and Christmas trees
In-Reply-To: <4D16270D.5000405@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.103.1293296469.32357.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4D16270D.5000405@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimV5-2GLnCuzJm9Vq4jtgACfirUopp0moYDduhD@mail.gmail.com>

your lucky. long strands of plastic can get stuck in the intestines
and the result
is not pretty or the fix is a very expensive operation.

-pete

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Web Williams <WY3XinSC at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Y'all don't want to know where I found tinsel a few
> days after the tree was up! I didn't know that dogs
> would find it so tasty! -Web
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From telegrapher at q.com  Sat Dec 25 20:25:05 2010
From: telegrapher at q.com (LARRY D GODEK)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 01:25:05 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Northern Radio
Message-ID: <BLU139-W3726D7D5A9290564ED982BA71F0@phx.gbl>


Reading thru the ads in the June "65" issue of 73 mag i see that Atlantic Surplus in Brooklyn has some Type 102, 152 and 153 rtty units.  I can furnish a telephone number if someone wants to call and see if they have any left!  Right!
 
So did Rex Radio Supply  on Cortlandt st. and Dow Trading Co. in Duarte, Ca.  SOmehow i think i missed those places on my past rounds.  
 
Merry Xmas to the list.  Been a great year with all of you.
 
Larry
W0OGH
 		 	   		  

From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 25 21:23:58 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:23:58 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Black Box RS-232  - current loop converters available
Message-ID: <4216737.1293330238272.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Greenkeyers:  There are 2 Black Box RS-232 -- current loop converters
available on that popular internet auction website.  Look for item no.
180604929692.  The auction includes 2 new converters, one wall-wart 
power supply and the instruction manual.  The instruction manual is
also available at:

   http://www.blackbox.co.uk/documents/manuals/C/CL050.pdf

These units cannot handle high-voltage loops.  However, a small outboard
circuit (opto-coupler and a HV keying transistor) can be added to make
it work with HV loops.  

Holiday greetings to all.

Jerry Murphy



From zarco at sonic.net  Sat Dec 25 21:49:12 2010
From: zarco at sonic.net (Steve)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:49:12 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Anyone using a Kleinschmidt???
Message-ID: <000e01cba4a7$7b1aaab0$c76094d1@starwars>

Most folks here seem to be using model 15/19's or 28's.
I'm starting the restoration of a TT-4 and could use any
pointers or suggestions from those that have already done
this. Mine is in really nice cosmetic condition but has the dreaded
gunk on seemingly every moving part. And yes, I have the books.
TIA
                       Steve W6SSP

From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec 25 22:17:47 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Anyone using a Kleinschmidt???
In-Reply-To: <000e01cba4a7$7b1aaab0$c76094d1@starwars>
References: <000e01cba4a7$7b1aaab0$c76094d1@starwars>
Message-ID: <4D16B3DB.5030508@bellsouth.net>

On 12/25/2010 8:49 PM, Steve wrote:
> Most folks here seem to be using model 15/19's or 28's.
> I'm starting the restoration of a TT-4 and could use any
> pointers or suggestions from those that have already done
> this. Mine is in really nice cosmetic condition but has the dreaded
> gunk on seemingly every moving part.
Riceguy is good at restoring these...
See a recent project of his (along with my model 28) here:

http://www.comcents.com/tty/tty.php

Best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com


From k9tty at dls.net  Sun Dec 26 23:09:57 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:09:57 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Remembering Don Merz
Message-ID: <EF532AEA-039A-404B-8EEC-BEC33B888C23@dls.net>

Don Merz used to be a frequent contributor to this list and to our  
museum.
Does anyone know how he is doing and if he is still interested in  
Teletype?
Thanks for your time,
Don
K9TTY

From steveripper at comcast.net  Sun Dec 26 23:50:13 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:50:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Remembering Don Merz
In-Reply-To: <EF532AEA-039A-404B-8EEC-BEC33B888C23@dls.net>
References: <EF532AEA-039A-404B-8EEC-BEC33B888C23@dls.net>
Message-ID: <001b01cba581$8d97c850$a8c758f0$@net>

Don:

It appears Don is still active in amateur radio, but regarding Teletype I
don't know.

Found several reference indicating Don has sold a substantial amount of his
radio collection.

Here is a link to Don's web page but is looks like the last update was 2005.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze28v8d/rttyadv.htm

His profile on the amateur radio site QRZ was last updated in Dec 2009.

He was a vendor at the WACOM (Washington Amateur Communications) Washington,
PA hamfest on November 7, 2010

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert House
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:10 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Remembering Don Merz

Don Merz used to be a frequent contributor to this list and to our  
museum.
Does anyone know how he is doing and if he is still interested in  
Teletype?
Thanks for your time,
Don
K9TTY
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From w7tty at olypen.com  Mon Dec 27 13:23:45 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:23:45 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mr. Don Merz
Message-ID: <000501cba5f3$33b83fa0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

The last time I talked to Don was a couple- three years ago, at least.

He had been an IT person for Gargantuan National Bank and was unfortunately
one of the point men for the nationwide downsizing/streamlining/RIF efforts
which have plagued America and been the norm for what seems like the last
decade.

He has been slowly divesting himself of many of his favorite goodies which
include his older radio stuff and teletype gear.

When we chatted he was just going into the mobile music/DJ business with his
son, and felt that the future was pretty bright.

I was also a mobile dj/club jock/karaoke host for sixteen years, so he and I
had something else in common.

Hopefully he occasionally peeks at the GreenKeys digest and keeps somewhat
updated on the latest quirks and gizmoes so often seen on GreenKeys.

The phrase "Remembering Don Merz" struck a sad chord with me as it implies
that he had shuffled off this mortal coil.

Don't Want Dat.

W7TTY




From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon Dec 27 13:45:56 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:56 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More Data Tek DTS-1
Message-ID: <4D18A6A4.10085.826D57@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Folks:

First of all, I hope that all you had a very Merry 
Christmas...

I finally had a while to play with my newly arrived test 
set. The fist thing I wanted to do was to set it for 20 ma 
loop as per section 5-4 of the manual. It was set 
originally for a 60 ma loop.

I think I have figured out the settings for testing 
teletype machines (ASR-33 and Model 28, etc.) to print out 
the QBF on attached teletype printers.

However, mine came without the normal test cord for 
testing, and only the loopback cord (thankfully I had that 
for setting loop current).

I have ordered a couple of  PJ055 plugs and some large 
alligator clips for connection to the teletype machines. 
Once they come, I will test it using my ASR and KSR 
33's,and then on my Model 28 ASR.

It is a little daunting because of all the settings, but 
from my past experience seeing Ken use his machine on my 33 
printers, I know it will do a great job.

It arrived in pretty well mint condition,  except for its 
missing test cord - Very pleased with it. Once I get down 
some of the basic settings, it be a great help when testing 
these machines...

Once again, Happy Holiday to all, and thank you all for 
being there! You have all been a great help!

Dave

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From w7tty at olypen.com  Mon Dec 27 13:51:29 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:51:29 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
Message-ID: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

European GreenKeyers and Telex Enthusiasts - - -

Greetings and Salutations

That ITTY Channel which has been carrying 100 WPM ITTY traffic has been 
slowed down to 66 WPM!!!

It's carrying the same material as the 60 speed channel, but as an 
experiment towards getting more interrest in ITTY from Europe and the Telex 
Club of The Universe, 66 WPM data is available Just for You!!

Watch Don House Reorganize Washington, DC in gorgeous black and canary.

Join Wayne LeTourneau as he stealthily moves through the snowy woods of 
Minnesota carrying his 12 gauge Mini-Gun and the 1000 round magazine on his 
back, seeking news from the Cutpurses, Ne'er-do-wells, Varlets, Drunks and 
wierdos lurking deep in the hinterlands.

See Tom Tillson Cleverly tweak the ITTY computers from his underground lair 
somewhere in New York State.

See George screw things up because he is half-asleep.

Enjoy the thrill of watching The Cat step on the cabling.  OOPS - Won't 
happen on 66 WPM, It doesn't use an external tone source - sorry...

Tune in TODAY to <65.243.191.51:8030> and type it LIVE on your Creed, 
Lorenz, Siemens, or retired 32 ASR Telex Machine.

Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or anything but 
WinAMP.

For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have been able 
to determine..

W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA









From ecom1 at mhsdesign.com  Mon Dec 27 14:45:39 2010
From: ecom1 at mhsdesign.com (Ron Boltz)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
Message-ID: <301808FFB28D40FB93217DACEFEEE955@Optiplex170>

The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be greatly
missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
the east.

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ




From jvendely at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 27 15:32:51 2010
From: jvendely at cfl.rr.com (John Vendely)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:32:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
In-Reply-To: <301808FFB28D40FB93217DACEFEEE955@Optiplex170>
References: <301808FFB28D40FB93217DACEFEEE955@Optiplex170>
Message-ID: <4D18F7F3.1080600@cfl.rr.com>

The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use, 
which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability 
broadcasts.  It's better than nothing, though.  Hopefully they didn't 
disappear after the holiday as well.  The Portuguese navy still had 
similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.  The German 
weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7 
at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8 
Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.  I also occasionally hear some 
French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as 
they appear only sporadically.  Virtually all the French Forces point to 
point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now 
extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris, 
both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and 
11,521.7 kc.  This link idles most of the time, though a small but 
consistent amount of traffic does come through.  Of course, this is 
really not "classic" RTTY.
Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the 
last several years.  Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary 
versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high 
speed HF waveforms.

It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY 
traffic if we want something to receive on HF.  For what it's worth, 
every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up 
a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift 
teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.  Regular schedules 
are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate 
in the RTTY nets.  It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew 
how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.  Many assume 
that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.  If there's any interest, 
I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...

73,

John K9WT



On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
> weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be greatly
> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
> good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
> silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
> the east.
>
> Ron Boltz
> K3TZJ
>
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 27 16:12:21 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:12:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
Message-ID: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,

Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the frequencies that you are copying??

Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.  Hope to have our AN/GRC-142 running by then.

Thanks,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA  31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Communications Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/
http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm



-----Original Message-----
>From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
>
>The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use, 
>which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability 
>broadcasts.  It's better than nothing, though.  Hopefully they didn't 
>disappear after the holiday as well.  The Portuguese navy still had 
>similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.  The German 
>weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7 
>at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8 
>Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.  I also occasionally hear some 
>French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as 
>they appear only sporadically.  Virtually all the French Forces point to 
>point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now 
>extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris, 
>both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and 
>11,521.7 kc.  This link idles most of the time, though a small but 
>consistent amount of traffic does come through.  Of course, this is 
>really not "classic" RTTY.
>Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the 
>last several years.  Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary 
>versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high 
>speed HF waveforms.
>
>It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY 
>traffic if we want something to receive on HF.  For what it's worth, 
>every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up 
>a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift 
>teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.  Regular schedules 
>are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate 
>in the RTTY nets.  It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew 
>how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.  Many assume 
>that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.  If there's any interest, 
>I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>
>73,
>
>John K9WT
>
>
>
>On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
>> weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be greatly
>> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
>> good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
>> silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
>> the east.
>>
>> Ron Boltz
>> K3TZJ
>>
>>
>>
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From steveripper at comcast.net  Mon Dec 27 17:27:24 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:27:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002101cba615$4928b640$db7a22c0$@net>

I can't seem to leave any piece of equipment I receive untouched. I received
my Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 DTS-1 last week and immediately
dismantled the entire unit. Good thing too as there were a few strands of
wire floating around inside just looking for the wrong place to land. Since
I already had the unit apart I decided it could use a fresh coat of paint. I
happen to have a case of Tektronix blue in spray cans so I removed all the
hardware and gave the enclosure a couple of new coats. I then replaced the
rubber feet which had long ago turned to stone and added additional rubber
feet to the back so when you set the enclosure down it is not resting on the
cover hinges. All of the hardware was replaced with stainless steel screws
and I also replaced the plastic latches with the living hinges with new
plated steel latches. Cleaned the switches and front panel and then
reassembled everything. No need to make any electrical repairs since
everything seems to function as intended.

Photos of the restoration can been seen at the following link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.ripper/AtlanticResearchDataTek9600DTS1?fea
t=directlink

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

l


From james at al7rv.net  Mon Dec 27 18:24:28 2010
From: james at al7rv.net (Jim Cook)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:24:28 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
In-Reply-To: <000001cba09d$01869d20$0493d760$@net>
References: <98496669003343DE9EE65F62A8255EF7@Optiplex170>	<004901cba099$4c9dedd0$e5d9c970$@net>
	<000001cba09d$01869d20$0493d760$@net>
Message-ID: <4D19202C.1010206@al7rv.net>

Keyer's,

While not live nor off the air or Baudot!  I think you can use the text 
files and RSS
feed at http://www.commcenter-8.net with HeavyMetal or other such programs
  with your machines.

The traffic on the page sent using the familiar java script to simulate 
a 60 wpm
monitor TTY in a military comm-center.

You don't need to have Java to grab the text file or use the RSS link.  
The text
file link and RSS links are just below the page printer.

The traffic on the channel is being poke up by few old Mil comm-center 
guys.

For the  most part it is all retransmissions of Project Blue Book, Vietnam
bulletins and other MIL traffic approved for Internet Release (No Leaky 
Wiki
here!)..

Again,  I don't  know how useful the feeds may be,  but the channels do
carry traffic that makes for interesting reading and the messages look 
great
on yellow  paper!  Commcenter-8 has about 63 minutes of 60 wpm text
on it now.

73,
Jim -- AL7RV





From jvendely at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 27 18:33:59 2010
From: jvendely at cfl.rr.com (John Vendely)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:33:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
In-Reply-To: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D192267.4020600@cfl.rr.com>

Duncan,

The Indian Navy RTTY signals I referred to were station VTP on 8298 kc, 
audible sporadically here on the Atlantic coast of Florida in the 
mid-morning hours.  Also heard was another Indian navy station sending 
the identifier "RBSL", not sure what that signifies.  It doesn't appear 
to be a callsign.  Both stations send weather reports and 5 letter 
cypher groups.

The following Dutch navy and Portuguese navy RTTY stations are still 
active using 75 baud/850 shift, and are good copy here at this moment:

CTP (Lisbon, Portugal) 12853.5 kc, 8551.5 kc, 6389 kc
PBB (Dutch Navy, Dan Helder) 8439.15 kc, 6357.75 kc, 4280 kc, 2474 kc

Both are channel availability broadcasts.  Actual traffic is infrequent.

Deutsche Wetterdienst is copyable on 7646 kc,10100.8 kc, 11039 kc, and 
14673 kc, using 50 baud 400 shift.

I'll have to look through my notes to find the frequencies on which I've 
heard that French Forces 85 shift station.  The call sign was "CALORIE", 
and typically was sending test transmissions with "Brick Geants", the 
French equivalent of "Quick Brown Foxes"

To be sure, there's only a fraction of the unencrypted baudot RTTY there 
was even a few years ago.  However, some can still be found, though it 
takes a little dialing around to find it.  I'm fortunate to be located 
on the Atlantic coast (about 35 m. south of Cape Canaveral), and have a 
0-30 MHz rotary log periodic and several beverages.  Signals from 
Europe, Africa, and the middle and far east are pretty good here, though 
conditions are generally poor these days.  Folks further inland may not  
hear these signals as well as we can on the coast.  Enjoy these stations 
while they last!

73,

John K9WT


On 12/27/2010 4:12 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> John,
>
> Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the frequencies that you are copying??
>
> Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.  Hope to have our AN/GRC-142 running by then.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA  31J
>
> Chief TTY operator&  repairman
> AWA Communications Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Vendely<jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
>> Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
>>
>> The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use,
>> which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability
>> broadcasts.  It's better than nothing, though.  Hopefully they didn't
>> disappear after the holiday as well.  The Portuguese navy still had
>> similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.  The German
>> weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7
>> at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8
>> Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.  I also occasionally hear some
>> French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as
>> they appear only sporadically.  Virtually all the French Forces point to
>> point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now
>> extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris,
>> both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and
>> 11,521.7 kc.  This link idles most of the time, though a small but
>> consistent amount of traffic does come through.  Of course, this is
>> really not "classic" RTTY.
>> Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the
>> last several years.  Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary
>> versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high
>> speed HF waveforms.
>>
>> It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY
>> traffic if we want something to receive on HF.  For what it's worth,
>> every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up
>> a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift
>> teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.  Regular schedules
>> are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate
>> in the RTTY nets.  It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew
>> how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.  Many assume
>> that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.  If there's any interest,
>> I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John K9WT
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
>>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
>>> weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be greatly
>>> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
>>> good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
>>> silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
>>> the east.
>>>
>>> Ron Boltz
>>> K3TZJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________



From jvendely at cfl.rr.com  Mon Dec 27 18:38:32 2010
From: jvendely at cfl.rr.com (John Vendely)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:38:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
In-Reply-To: <4D192267.4020600@cfl.rr.com>
References: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<4D192267.4020600@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D192378.6010104@cfl.rr.com>

I made a typo on my last message--the rotary log periodic covers 10-30 
Mc, not 0-30!  I wish...

73,

John K9WT
>
>



From epvgk at limpoc.com  Mon Dec 27 18:49:01 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (eric)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:49:01 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
In-Reply-To: <4D192267.4020600@cfl.rr.com>
References: <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<4D192267.4020600@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20101227234901.GA27118@limpoc.com>

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 06:33:59PM -0500, John Vendely wrote:
> 
> Deutsche Wetterdienst is copyable on 7646 kc,10100.8 kc, 11039 kc, and 
> 14673 kc, using 50 baud 400 shift.
> 
DDH can also be found arund 147 khz at 50 baud, 85 hz shift. i don't know the
propagation characteristics but i used to be able to receive it with the websdr.org
software radio at Univ. Twente in Holland before it went offline. They claim
they will be back though.

eric

From eldim at att.net  Mon Dec 27 18:53:05 2010
From: eldim at att.net (Glen Galati)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:53:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Don M.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.30546.1293492856.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.30546.1293492856.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <337281.1510.qm@web80015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi George,
Was Don a Ham?? If so do you know his Call?
73,
Glen




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Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 3:34:16 PM
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? 1. Mr. Don Merz (George B. Hutchison)
? 2. More Data Tek DTS-1 (Dave Hunter)
? 3. ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts (George B. Hutchison)
? 4. CFH 10.943 Now Dead (Ron Boltz)
? 5. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (John Vendely)
? 6. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (Duncan Brown)
? 7. Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration (Steve Ripper)
? 8. Re: data sources for Baudot data (Jim Cook)
? 9. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (John Vendely)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:23:45 -0800
From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mr. Don Merz
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000501cba5f3$33b83fa0$0600a8c0 at rttylaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
??? reply-type=original

GreenKeyers - - -

The last time I talked to Don was a couple- three years ago, at least.

He had been an IT person for Gargantuan National Bank and was unfortunately
one of the point men for the nationwide downsizing/streamlining/RIF efforts
which have plagued America and been the norm for what seems like the last
decade.

He has been slowly divesting himself of many of his favorite goodies which
include his older radio stuff and teletype gear.

When we chatted he was just going into the mobile music/DJ business with his
son, and felt that the future was pretty bright.

I was also a mobile dj/club jock/karaoke host for sixteen years, so he and I
had something else in common.

Hopefully he occasionally peeks at the GreenKeys digest and keeps somewhat
updated on the latest quirks and gizmoes so often seen on GreenKeys.

The phrase "Remembering Don Merz" struck a sad chord with me as it implies
that he had shuffled off this mortal coil.

Don't Want Dat.

W7TTY





------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:56 -0400
From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] More Data Tek DTS-1
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D18A6A4.10085.826D57 at dhunter.islandregister.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Folks:

First of all, I hope that all you had a very Merry 
Christmas...

I finally had a while to play with my newly arrived test 
set. The fist thing I wanted to do was to set it for 20 ma 
loop as per section 5-4 of the manual. It was set 
originally for a 60 ma loop.

I think I have figured out the settings for testing 
teletype machines (ASR-33 and Model 28, etc.) to print out 
the QBF on attached teletype printers.

However, mine came without the normal test cord for 
testing, and only the loopback cord (thankfully I had that 
for setting loop current).

I have ordered a couple of? PJ055 plugs and some large 
alligator clips for connection to the teletype machines. 
Once they come, I will test it using my ASR and KSR 
33's,and then on my Model 28 ASR.

It is a little daunting because of all the settings, but 
from my past experience seeing Ken use his machine on my 33 
printers, I know it will do a great job.

It arrived in pretty well mint condition,? except for its 
missing test cord - Very pleased with it. Once I get down 
some of the basic settings, it be a great help when testing 
these machines...

Once again, Happy Holiday to all, and thank you all for 
being there! You have all been a great help!

Dave

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:51:29 -0800
From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0 at rttylaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
??? reply-type=original

European GreenKeyers and Telex Enthusiasts - - -

Greetings and Salutations

That ITTY Channel which has been carrying 100 WPM ITTY traffic has been 
slowed down to 66 WPM!!!

It's carrying the same material as the 60 speed channel, but as an 
experiment towards getting more interrest in ITTY from Europe and the Telex 
Club of The Universe, 66 WPM data is available Just for You!!

Watch Don House Reorganize Washington, DC in gorgeous black and canary.

Join Wayne LeTourneau as he stealthily moves through the snowy woods of 
Minnesota carrying his 12 gauge Mini-Gun and the 1000 round magazine on his 
back, seeking news from the Cutpurses, Ne'er-do-wells, Varlets, Drunks and 
wierdos lurking deep in the hinterlands.

See Tom Tillson Cleverly tweak the ITTY computers from his underground lair 
somewhere in New York State.

See George screw things up because he is half-asleep.

Enjoy the thrill of watching The Cat step on the cabling.? OOPS - Won't 
happen on 66 WPM, It doesn't use an external tone source - sorry...

Tune in TODAY to <65.243.191.51:8030> and type it LIVE on your Creed, 
Lorenz, Siemens, or retired 32 ASR Telex Machine.

Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or anything but 
WinAMP.

For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have been able 
to determine..

W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA










------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:39 -0500
From: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <301808FFB28D40FB93217DACEFEEE955 at Optiplex170>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"

The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be greatly
missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
the east.

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ





------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:32:51 -0500
From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D18F7F3.1080600 at cfl.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use, 
which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability 
broadcasts.? It's better than nothing, though.? Hopefully they didn't 
disappear after the holiday as well.? The Portuguese navy still had 
similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.? The German 
weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7 
at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8 
Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.? I also occasionally hear some 
French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as 
they appear only sporadically.? Virtually all the French Forces point to 
point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now 
extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris, 
both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and 
11,521.7 kc.? This link idles most of the time, though a small but 
consistent amount of traffic does come through.? Of course, this is 
really not "classic" RTTY.
Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the 
last several years.? Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary 
versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high 
speed HF waveforms.

It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY 
traffic if we want something to receive on HF.? For what it's worth, 
every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up 
a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift 
teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.? Regular schedules 
are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate 
in the RTTY nets.? It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew 
how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.? Many assume 
that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.? If there's any interest, 
I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...

73,

John K9WT



On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
> weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be greatly
> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
> good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
> silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
> the east.
>
> Ron Boltz
> K3TZJ
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:12:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
??? <15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root at elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

John,

Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the 
frequencies that you are copying??

Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.? Hope to have 
our AN/GRC-142 running by then.

Thanks,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA? 31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Communications Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/
http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm



-----Original Message-----
>From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
>
>The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use, 
>which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability 
>broadcasts.? It's better than nothing, though.? Hopefully they didn't 
>disappear after the holiday as well.? The Portuguese navy still had 
>similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.? The German 
>weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7 
>at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8 
>Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.? I also occasionally hear some 
>French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as 
>they appear only sporadically.? Virtually all the French Forces point to 
>point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now 
>extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris, 
>both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and 
>11,521.7 kc.? This link idles most of the time, though a small but 
>consistent amount of traffic does come through.? Of course, this is 
>really not "classic" RTTY.
>Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the 
>last several years.? Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary 
>versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high 
>speed HF waveforms.
>
>It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY 
>traffic if we want something to receive on HF.? For what it's worth, 
>every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up 
>a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift 
>teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.? Regular schedules 
>are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate 
>in the RTTY nets.? It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew 
>how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.? Many assume 
>that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.? If there's any interest, 
>I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>
>73,
>
>John K9WT
>
>
>
>On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
>> weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be greatly
>> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
>> good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
>> silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
>> the east.
>>
>> Ron Boltz
>> K3TZJ
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:27:24 -0500
From: "Steve Ripper" <steveripper at comcast.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002101cba615$4928b640$db7a22c0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1"

I can't seem to leave any piece of equipment I receive untouched. I received
my Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 DTS-1 last week and immediately
dismantled the entire unit. Good thing too as there were a few strands of
wire floating around inside just looking for the wrong place to land. Since
I already had the unit apart I decided it could use a fresh coat of paint. I
happen to have a case of Tektronix blue in spray cans so I removed all the
hardware and gave the enclosure a couple of new coats. I then replaced the
rubber feet which had long ago turned to stone and added additional rubber
feet to the back so when you set the enclosure down it is not resting on the
cover hinges. All of the hardware was replaced with stainless steel screws
and I also replaced the plastic latches with the living hinges with new
plated steel latches. Cleaned the switches and front panel and then
reassembled everything. No need to make any electrical repairs since
everything seems to function as intended.

Photos of the restoration can been seen at the following link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.ripper/AtlanticResearchDataTek9600DTS1?fea
t=directlink

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

l



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:24:28 -0600
From: Jim Cook <james at al7rv.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D19202C.1010206 at al7rv.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Keyer's,

While not live nor off the air or Baudot!? I think you can use the text 
files and RSS
feed at http://www.commcenter-8.net with HeavyMetal or other such programs
? with your machines.

The traffic on the page sent using the familiar java script to simulate 
a 60 wpm
monitor TTY in a military comm-center.

You don't need to have Java to grab the text file or use the RSS link.? 
The text
file link and RSS links are just below the page printer.

The traffic on the channel is being poke up by few old Mil comm-center 
guys.

For the? most part it is all retransmissions of Project Blue Book, Vietnam
bulletins and other MIL traffic approved for Internet Release (No Leaky 
Wiki
here!)..

Again,? I don't? know how useful the feeds may be,? but the channels do
carry traffic that makes for interesting reading and the messages look 
great
on yellow? paper!? Commcenter-8 has about 63 minutes of 60 wpm text
on it now.

73,
Jim -- AL7RV






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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:33:59 -0500
From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D192267.4020600 at cfl.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Duncan,

The Indian Navy RTTY signals I referred to were station VTP on 8298 kc, 
audible sporadically here on the Atlantic coast of Florida in the 
mid-morning hours.? Also heard was another Indian navy station sending 
the identifier "RBSL", not sure what that signifies.? It doesn't appear 
to be a callsign.? Both stations send weather reports and 5 letter 
cypher groups.

The following Dutch navy and Portuguese navy RTTY stations are still 
active using 75 baud/850 shift, and are good copy here at this moment:

CTP (Lisbon, Portugal) 12853.5 kc, 8551.5 kc, 6389 kc
PBB (Dutch Navy, Dan Helder) 8439.15 kc, 6357.75 kc, 4280 kc, 2474 kc

Both are channel availability broadcasts.? Actual traffic is infrequent.

Deutsche Wetterdienst is copyable on 7646 kc,10100.8 kc, 11039 kc, and 
14673 kc, using 50 baud 400 shift.

I'll have to look through my notes to find the frequencies on which I've 
heard that French Forces 85 shift station.? The call sign was "CALORIE", 
and typically was sending test transmissions with "Brick Geants", the 
French equivalent of "Quick Brown Foxes"

To be sure, there's only a fraction of the unencrypted baudot RTTY there 
was even a few years ago.? However, some can still be found, though it 
takes a little dialing around to find it.? I'm fortunate to be located 
on the Atlantic coast (about 35 m. south of Cape Canaveral), and have a 
0-30 MHz rotary log periodic and several beverages.? Signals from 
Europe, Africa, and the middle and far east are pretty good here, though 
conditions are generally poor these days.? Folks further inland may not? 
hear these signals as well as we can on the coast.? Enjoy these stations 
while they last!

73,

John K9WT


On 12/27/2010 4:12 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> John,
>
> Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the 
>frequencies that you are copying??
>
> Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.? Hope to have 
>our AN/GRC-142 running by then.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA? 31J
>
> Chief TTY operator&? repairman
> AWA Communications Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Vendely<jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
>> Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
>>
>> The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use,
>> which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability
>> broadcasts.? It's better than nothing, though.? Hopefully they didn't
>> disappear after the holiday as well.? The Portuguese navy still had
>> similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.? The German
>> weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7
>> at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8
>> Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.? I also occasionally hear some
>> French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as
>> they appear only sporadically.? Virtually all the French Forces point to
>> point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now
>> extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris,
>> both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and
>> 11,521.7 kc.? This link idles most of the time, though a small but
>> consistent amount of traffic does come through.? Of course, this is
>> really not "classic" RTTY.
>> Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the
>> last several years.? Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary
>> versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high
>> speed HF waveforms.
>>
>> It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY
>> traffic if we want something to receive on HF.? For what it's worth,
>> every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up
>> a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift
>> teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.? Regular schedules
>> are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate
>> in the RTTY nets.? It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew
>> how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.? Many assume
>> that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.? If there's any interest,
>> I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John K9WT
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
>>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
>>> weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be greatly
>>> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and a
>>> good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that went
>>> silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of here in
>>> the east.
>>>
>>> Ron Boltz
>>> K3TZJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________




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From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon Dec 27 19:47:02 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:47:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Don M.
In-Reply-To: <337281.1510.qm@web80015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.30546.1293492856.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<337281.1510.qm@web80015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cba628$bee1c1c0$3ca54540$@net>

Don is N3RHT and is selling stuff on Ebay as "dgm-pgh".

I just got some RTTY filetrs from him..

Jack K0TTY



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Glen Galati
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:53 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Don M.

Hi George,
Was Don a Ham?? If so do you know his Call?
73,
Glen




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Today's Topics:

? 1. Mr. Don Merz (George B. Hutchison)
? 2. More Data Tek DTS-1 (Dave Hunter)
? 3. ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts (George B.
Hutchison)
? 4. CFH 10.943 Now Dead (Ron Boltz)
? 5. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (John Vendely)
? 6. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (Duncan Brown)
? 7. Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration (Steve Ripper)
? 8. Re: data sources for Baudot data (Jim Cook)
? 9. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (John Vendely)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:23:45 -0800
From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mr. Don Merz
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000501cba5f3$33b83fa0$0600a8c0 at rttylaptop>
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GreenKeyers - - -

The last time I talked to Don was a couple- three years ago, at least.

He had been an IT person for Gargantuan National Bank and was
unfortunately
one of the point men for the nationwide downsizing/streamlining/RIF
efforts
which have plagued America and been the norm for what seems like the
last
decade.

He has been slowly divesting himself of many of his favorite goodies
which
include his older radio stuff and teletype gear.

When we chatted he was just going into the mobile music/DJ business
with his
son, and felt that the future was pretty bright.

I was also a mobile dj/club jock/karaoke host for sixteen years, so he
and I
had something else in common.

Hopefully he occasionally peeks at the GreenKeys digest and keeps
somewhat
updated on the latest quirks and gizmoes so often seen on GreenKeys.

The phrase "Remembering Don Merz" struck a sad chord with me as it
implies
that he had shuffled off this mortal coil.

Don't Want Dat.

W7TTY





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:56 -0400
From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] More Data Tek DTS-1
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D18A6A4.10085.826D57 at dhunter.islandregister.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Folks:

First of all, I hope that all you had a very Merry 
Christmas...

I finally had a while to play with my newly arrived test 
set. The fist thing I wanted to do was to set it for 20 ma 
loop as per section 5-4 of the manual. It was set 
originally for a 60 ma loop.

I think I have figured out the settings for testing 
teletype machines (ASR-33 and Model 28, etc.) to print out 
the QBF on attached teletype printers.

However, mine came without the normal test cord for 
testing, and only the loopback cord (thankfully I had that 
for setting loop current).

I have ordered a couple of? PJ055 plugs and some large 
alligator clips for connection to the teletype machines. 
Once they come, I will test it using my ASR and KSR 
33's,and then on my Model 28 ASR.

It is a little daunting because of all the settings, but 
from my past experience seeing Ken use his machine on my 33 
printers, I know it will do a great job.

It arrived in pretty well mint condition,? except for its 
missing test cord - Very pleased with it. Once I get down 
some of the basic settings, it be a great help when testing 
these machines...

Once again, Happy Holiday to all, and thank you all for 
being there! You have all been a great help!

Dave

The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:51:29 -0800
From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0 at rttylaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
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European GreenKeyers and Telex Enthusiasts - - -

Greetings and Salutations

That ITTY Channel which has been carrying 100 WPM ITTY traffic has
been 
slowed down to 66 WPM!!!

It's carrying the same material as the 60 speed channel, but as an 
experiment towards getting more interrest in ITTY from Europe and the
Telex 
Club of The Universe, 66 WPM data is available Just for You!!

Watch Don House Reorganize Washington, DC in gorgeous black and
canary.

Join Wayne LeTourneau as he stealthily moves through the snowy woods
of 
Minnesota carrying his 12 gauge Mini-Gun and the 1000 round magazine
on his 
back, seeking news from the Cutpurses, Ne'er-do-wells, Varlets, Drunks
and 
wierdos lurking deep in the hinterlands.

See Tom Tillson Cleverly tweak the ITTY computers from his underground
lair 
somewhere in New York State.

See George screw things up because he is half-asleep.

Enjoy the thrill of watching The Cat step on the cabling.? OOPS -
Won't 
happen on 66 WPM, It doesn't use an external tone source - sorry...

Tune in TODAY to <65.243.191.51:8030> and type it LIVE on your Creed, 
Lorenz, Siemens, or retired 32 ASR Telex Machine.

Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or
anything but 
WinAMP.

For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have
been able 
to determine..

W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA










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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:39 -0500
From: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <301808FFB28D40FB93217DACEFEEE955 at Optiplex170>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"

The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be
greatly
missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors
and a
good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that
went
silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of
here in
the east.

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:32:51 -0500
From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D18F7F3.1080600 at cfl.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use, 
which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability 
broadcasts.? It's better than nothing, though.? Hopefully they didn't 
disappear after the holiday as well.? The Portuguese navy still had 
similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.? The German 
weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies
24/7 
at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the
8 
Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.? I also occasionally hear some 
French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as 
they appear only sporadically.? Virtually all the French Forces point
to 
point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now

extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to
Paris, 
both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and 
11,521.7 kc.? This link idles most of the time, though a small but 
consistent amount of traffic does come through.? Of course, this is 
really not "classic" RTTY.
Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the 
last several years.? Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary

versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high 
speed HF waveforms.

It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY 
traffic if we want something to receive on HF.? For what it's worth, 
every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set
up 
a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850
shift 
teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.? Regular
schedules 
are maintained, and a number of stations around the country
participate 
in the RTTY nets.? It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even
knew 
how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.? Many
assume 
that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.? If there's any
interest, 
I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...

73,

John K9WT



On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the
Christmas
> weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be
greatly
> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to
visitors and a
> good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but
that went
> silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of
here in
> the east.
>
> Ron Boltz
> K3TZJ
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:12:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
???
<15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root at elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlin
k.net>
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

John,

Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the 
frequencies that you are copying??

Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.? Hope
to have 
our AN/GRC-142 running by then.

Thanks,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA? 31J

Chief TTY operator & repairman
AWA Communications Museum
http://www.antiquewireless.org/
http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm



-----Original Message-----
>From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
>
>The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use, 
>which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability

>broadcasts.? It's better than nothing, though.? Hopefully they didn't

>disappear after the holiday as well.? The Portuguese navy still had 
>similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.? The German

>weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies
24/7 
>at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in
the 8 
>Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.? I also occasionally hear some

>French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as 
>they appear only sporadically.? Virtually all the French Forces point
to 
>point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are
now 
>extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to
Paris, 
>both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and 
>11,521.7 kc.? This link idles most of the time, though a small but 
>consistent amount of traffic does come through.? Of course, this is 
>really not "classic" RTTY.
>Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the

>last several years.? Maritime stations have gone mostly to
proprietary 
>versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high 
>speed HF waveforms.
>
>It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY 
>traffic if we want something to receive on HF.? For what it's worth, 
>every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set
up 
>a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850
shift 
>teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.? Regular
schedules 
>are maintained, and a number of stations around the country
participate 
>in the RTTY nets.? It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even
knew 
>how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.? Many
assume 
>that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.? If there's any
interest, 
>I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>
>73,
>
>John K9WT
>
>
>
>On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the
Christmas
>> weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be
greatly
>> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to
visitors and a
>> good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but
that went
>> silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know of
here in
>> the east.
>>
>> Ron Boltz
>> K3TZJ
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:27:24 -0500
From: "Steve Ripper" <steveripper at comcast.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002101cba615$4928b640$db7a22c0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1"

I can't seem to leave any piece of equipment I receive untouched. I
received
my Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 DTS-1 last week and immediately
dismantled the entire unit. Good thing too as there were a few strands
of
wire floating around inside just looking for the wrong place to land.
Since
I already had the unit apart I decided it could use a fresh coat of
paint. I
happen to have a case of Tektronix blue in spray cans so I removed all
the
hardware and gave the enclosure a couple of new coats. I then replaced
the
rubber feet which had long ago turned to stone and added additional
rubber
feet to the back so when you set the enclosure down it is not resting
on the
cover hinges. All of the hardware was replaced with stainless steel
screws
and I also replaced the plastic latches with the living hinges with
new
plated steel latches. Cleaned the switches and front panel and then
reassembled everything. No need to make any electrical repairs since
everything seems to function as intended.

Photos of the restoration can been seen at the following link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.ripper/AtlanticResearchDataTek9600DT
S1?fea
t=directlink

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705

l



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:24:28 -0600
From: Jim Cook <james at al7rv.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D19202C.1010206 at al7rv.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Keyer's,

While not live nor off the air or Baudot!? I think you can use the
text 
files and RSS
feed at http://www.commcenter-8.net with HeavyMetal or other such
programs
? with your machines.

The traffic on the page sent using the familiar java script to
simulate 
a 60 wpm
monitor TTY in a military comm-center.

You don't need to have Java to grab the text file or use the RSS
link.? 
The text
file link and RSS links are just below the page printer.

The traffic on the channel is being poke up by few old Mil comm-center

guys.

For the? most part it is all retransmissions of Project Blue Book,
Vietnam
bulletins and other MIL traffic approved for Internet Release (No
Leaky 
Wiki
here!)..

Again,? I don't? know how useful the feeds may be,? but the channels
do
carry traffic that makes for interesting reading and the messages look

great
on yellow? paper!? Commcenter-8 has about 63 minutes of 60 wpm text
on it now.

73,
Jim -- AL7RV






------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:33:59 -0500
From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D192267.4020600 at cfl.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Duncan,

The Indian Navy RTTY signals I referred to were station VTP on 8298
kc, 
audible sporadically here on the Atlantic coast of Florida in the 
mid-morning hours.? Also heard was another Indian navy station sending

the identifier "RBSL", not sure what that signifies.? It doesn't
appear 
to be a callsign.? Both stations send weather reports and 5 letter 
cypher groups.

The following Dutch navy and Portuguese navy RTTY stations are still 
active using 75 baud/850 shift, and are good copy here at this moment:

CTP (Lisbon, Portugal) 12853.5 kc, 8551.5 kc, 6389 kc
PBB (Dutch Navy, Dan Helder) 8439.15 kc, 6357.75 kc, 4280 kc, 2474 kc

Both are channel availability broadcasts.? Actual traffic is
infrequent.

Deutsche Wetterdienst is copyable on 7646 kc,10100.8 kc, 11039 kc, and

14673 kc, using 50 baud 400 shift.

I'll have to look through my notes to find the frequencies on which
I've 
heard that French Forces 85 shift station.? The call sign was
"CALORIE", 
and typically was sending test transmissions with "Brick Geants", the 
French equivalent of "Quick Brown Foxes"

To be sure, there's only a fraction of the unencrypted baudot RTTY
there 
was even a few years ago.? However, some can still be found, though it

takes a little dialing around to find it.? I'm fortunate to be located

on the Atlantic coast (about 35 m. south of Cape Canaveral), and have
a 
0-30 MHz rotary log periodic and several beverages.? Signals from 
Europe, Africa, and the middle and far east are pretty good here,
though 
conditions are generally poor these days.? Folks further inland may
not? 
hear these signals as well as we can on the coast.? Enjoy these
stations 
while they last!

73,

John K9WT


On 12/27/2010 4:12 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> John,
>
> Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are
the 
>frequencies that you are copying??
>
> Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.?
Hope to have 
>our AN/GRC-142 running by then.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA? 31J
>
> Chief TTY operator&? repairman
> AWA Communications Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Vendely<jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
>> Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
>>
>> The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use,
>> which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel
availability
>> broadcasts.? It's better than nothing, though.? Hopefully they
didn't
>> disappear after the holiday as well.? The Portuguese navy still had
>> similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.? The
German
>> weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies
24/7
>> at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in
the 8
>> Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.? I also occasionally hear
some
>> French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations,
as
>> they appear only sporadically.? Virtually all the French Forces
point to
>> point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are
now
>> extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to
Paris,
>> both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7
and
>> 11,521.7 kc.? This link idles most of the time, though a small but
>> consistent amount of traffic does come through.? Of course, this is
>> really not "classic" RTTY.
>> Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in
the
>> last several years.? Maritime stations have gone mostly to
proprietary
>> versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high
>> speed HF waveforms.
>>
>> It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY
>> traffic if we want something to receive on HF.? For what it's
worth,
>> every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we
set up
>> a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850
shift
>> teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.? Regular
schedules
>> are maintained, and a number of stations around the country
participate
>> in the RTTY nets.? It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even
knew
>> how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.? Many
assume
>> that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.? If there's any
interest,
>> I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John K9WT
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
>>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the
Christmas
>>> weekend.? This was the last CFH station transmitting.? It will be
greatly
>>> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to
visitors and a
>>> good way to test the equipment.? The CFH 10.536 WX was better but
that went
>>> silent several months ago.? Now there is nothing reliable I know
of here in
>>> the east.
>>>
>>> Ron Boltz
>>> K3TZJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________




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From gbuda at cyberwright.net  Mon Dec 27 19:51:43 2010
From: gbuda at cyberwright.net (Gary Buda)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:51:43 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 39
In-Reply-To: <mailman.30546.1293492856.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.30546.1293492856.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <201012271851.44557.gbuda@cyberwright.net>

You have have stumbled upon a secret to allow machine to machine qso's on the 
air...set the AFSK to 850 hz instead of 170!  
Gary 
WA0NDN


On Monday 27 December 2010 05:34:16 pm greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net 
wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Mr. Don Merz (George B. Hutchison)
>    2. More Data Tek DTS-1 (Dave Hunter)
>    3. ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts (George B. Hutchison)
>    4. CFH 10.943 Now Dead (Ron Boltz)
>    5. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (John Vendely)
>    6. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (Duncan Brown)
>    7. Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration (Steve Ripper)
>    8. Re: data sources for Baudot data (Jim Cook)
>    9. Re: CFH 10.943 Now Dead (John Vendely)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:23:45 -0800
> From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Mr. Don Merz
> To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <000501cba5f3$33b83fa0$0600a8c0 at rttylaptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> GreenKeyers - - -
>
> The last time I talked to Don was a couple- three years ago, at least.
>
> He had been an IT person for Gargantuan National Bank and was unfortunately
> one of the point men for the nationwide downsizing/streamlining/RIF efforts
> which have plagued America and been the norm for what seems like the last
> decade.
>
> He has been slowly divesting himself of many of his favorite goodies which
> include his older radio stuff and teletype gear.
>
> When we chatted he was just going into the mobile music/DJ business with
> his son, and felt that the future was pretty bright.
>
> I was also a mobile dj/club jock/karaoke host for sixteen years, so he and
> I had something else in common.
>
> Hopefully he occasionally peeks at the GreenKeys digest and keeps somewhat
> updated on the latest quirks and gizmoes so often seen on GreenKeys.
>
> The phrase "Remembering Don Merz" struck a sad chord with me as it implies
> that he had shuffled off this mortal coil.
>
> Don't Want Dat.
>
> W7TTY
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:56 -0400
> From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] More Data Tek DTS-1
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D18A6A4.10085.826D57 at dhunter.islandregister.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> First of all, I hope that all you had a very Merry
> Christmas...
>
> I finally had a while to play with my newly arrived test
> set. The fist thing I wanted to do was to set it for 20 ma
> loop as per section 5-4 of the manual. It was set
> originally for a 60 ma loop.
>
> I think I have figured out the settings for testing
> teletype machines (ASR-33 and Model 28, etc.) to print out
> the QBF on attached teletype printers.
>
> However, mine came without the normal test cord for
> testing, and only the loopback cord (thankfully I had that
> for setting loop current).
>
> I have ordered a couple of  PJ055 plugs and some large
> alligator clips for connection to the teletype machines.
> Once they come, I will test it using my ASR and KSR
> 33's,and then on my Model 28 ASR.
>
> It is a little daunting because of all the settings, but
> from my past experience seeing Ken use his machine on my 33
> printers, I know it will do a great job.
>
> It arrived in pretty well mint condition,  except for its
> missing test cord - Very pleased with it. Once I get down
> some of the basic settings, it be a great help when testing
> these machines...
>
> Once again, Happy Holiday to all, and thank you all for
> being there! You have all been a great help!
>
> Dave
>
> The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html
>
> The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
> http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
> Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:51:29 -0800
> From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
> To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0 at rttylaptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> European GreenKeyers and Telex Enthusiasts - - -
>
> Greetings and Salutations
>
> That ITTY Channel which has been carrying 100 WPM ITTY traffic has been
> slowed down to 66 WPM!!!
>
> It's carrying the same material as the 60 speed channel, but as an
> experiment towards getting more interrest in ITTY from Europe and the Telex
> Club of The Universe, 66 WPM data is available Just for You!!
>
> Watch Don House Reorganize Washington, DC in gorgeous black and canary.
>
> Join Wayne LeTourneau as he stealthily moves through the snowy woods of
> Minnesota carrying his 12 gauge Mini-Gun and the 1000 round magazine on his
> back, seeking news from the Cutpurses, Ne'er-do-wells, Varlets, Drunks and
> wierdos lurking deep in the hinterlands.
>
> See Tom Tillson Cleverly tweak the ITTY computers from his underground lair
> somewhere in New York State.
>
> See George screw things up because he is half-asleep.
>
> Enjoy the thrill of watching The Cat step on the cabling.  OOPS - Won't
> happen on 66 WPM, It doesn't use an external tone source - sorry...
>
> Tune in TODAY to <65.243.191.51:8030> and type it LIVE on your Creed,
> Lorenz, Siemens, or retired 32 ASR Telex Machine.
>
> Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or anything but
> WinAMP.
>
> For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have been
> able to determine..
>
> W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:45:39 -0500
> From: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <301808FFB28D40FB93217DACEFEEE955 at Optiplex170>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
> weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be greatly
> missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors and
> a good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was better but that
> went silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing reliable I know of
> here in the east.
>
> Ron Boltz
> K3TZJ
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:32:51 -0500
> From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D18F7F3.1080600 at cfl.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use,
> which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability
> broadcasts.  It's better than nothing, though.  Hopefully they didn't
> disappear after the holiday as well.  The Portuguese navy still had
> similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.  The German
> weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7
> at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8
> Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.  I also occasionally hear some
> French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as
> they appear only sporadically.  Virtually all the French Forces point to
> point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now
> extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris,
> both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and
> 11,521.7 kc.  This link idles most of the time, though a small but
> consistent amount of traffic does come through.  Of course, this is
> really not "classic" RTTY.
> Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the
> last several years.  Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary
> versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high
> speed HF waveforms.
>
> It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY
> traffic if we want something to receive on HF.  For what it's worth,
> every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up
> a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift
> teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.  Regular schedules
> are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate
> in the RTTY nets.  It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew
> how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.  Many assume
> that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.  If there's any interest,
> I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
>
> 73,
>
> John K9WT
>
> On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
> > The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
> > weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be greatly
> > missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to visitors
> > and a good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was better but
> > that went silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing reliable I
> > know of here in the east.
> >
> > Ron Boltz
> > K3TZJ
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:12:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
> To: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> 	<15090198.1293484342047.JavaMail.root at elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.ne
>t>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the
> frequencies that you are copying??
>
> Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.  Hope to
> have our AN/GRC-142 running by then.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA  31J
>
> Chief TTY operator & repairman
> AWA Communications Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> >From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
> >Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
> >To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> >Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
> >
> >The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use,
> >which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability
> >broadcasts.  It's better than nothing, though.  Hopefully they didn't
> >disappear after the holiday as well.  The Portuguese navy still had
> >similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.  The German
> >weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7
> >at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8
> >Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.  I also occasionally hear some
> >French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as
> >they appear only sporadically.  Virtually all the French Forces point to
> >point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now
> >extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris,
> >both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and
> >11,521.7 kc.  This link idles most of the time, though a small but
> >consistent amount of traffic does come through.  Of course, this is
> >really not "classic" RTTY.
> >Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the
> >last several years.  Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary
> >versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high
> >speed HF waveforms.
> >
> >It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY
> >traffic if we want something to receive on HF.  For what it's worth,
> >every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up
> >a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift
> >teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.  Regular schedules
> >are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate
> >in the RTTY nets.  It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew
> >how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.  Many assume
> >that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.  If there's any interest,
> >I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
> >
> >73,
> >
> >John K9WT
> >
> >On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
> >> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
> >> weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be
> >> greatly missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to
> >> visitors and a good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was
> >> better but that went silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing
> >> reliable I know of here in the east.
> >>
> >> Ron Boltz
> >> K3TZJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> GreenKeys mailing list
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:27:24 -0500
> From: "Steve Ripper" <steveripper at comcast.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <002101cba615$4928b640$db7a22c0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I can't seem to leave any piece of equipment I receive untouched. I
> received my Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 DTS-1 last week and immediately
> dismantled the entire unit. Good thing too as there were a few strands of
> wire floating around inside just looking for the wrong place to land. Since
> I already had the unit apart I decided it could use a fresh coat of paint.
> I happen to have a case of Tektronix blue in spray cans so I removed all
> the hardware and gave the enclosure a couple of new coats. I then replaced
> the rubber feet which had long ago turned to stone and added additional
> rubber feet to the back so when you set the enclosure down it is not
> resting on the cover hinges. All of the hardware was replaced with
> stainless steel screws and I also replaced the plastic latches with the
> living hinges with new plated steel latches. Cleaned the switches and front
> panel and then reassembled everything. No need to make any electrical
> repairs since everything seems to function as intended.
>
> Photos of the restoration can been seen at the following link:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/steve.ripper/AtlanticResearchDataTek9600DTS1?fe
>a t=directlink
>
> Cheers,
> ?
> Steve Ripper
> steveripper at comcast.net
> Mobile: 248-787-0705
>
> l
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:24:28 -0600
> From: Jim Cook <james at al7rv.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] data sources for Baudot data
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D19202C.1010206 at al7rv.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Keyer's,
>
> While not live nor off the air or Baudot!  I think you can use the text
> files and RSS
> feed at http://www.commcenter-8.net with HeavyMetal or other such programs
>   with your machines.
>
> The traffic on the page sent using the familiar java script to simulate
> a 60 wpm
> monitor TTY in a military comm-center.
>
> You don't need to have Java to grab the text file or use the RSS link.
> The text
> file link and RSS links are just below the page printer.
>
> The traffic on the channel is being poke up by few old Mil comm-center
> guys.
>
> For the  most part it is all retransmissions of Project Blue Book, Vietnam
> bulletins and other MIL traffic approved for Internet Release (No Leaky
> Wiki
> here!)..
>
> Again,  I don't  know how useful the feeds may be,  but the channels do
> carry traffic that makes for interesting reading and the messages look
> great
> on yellow  paper!  Commcenter-8 has about 63 minutes of 60 wpm text
> on it now.
>
> 73,
> Jim -- AL7RV
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:33:59 -0500
> From: John Vendely <jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D192267.4020600 at cfl.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Duncan,
>
> The Indian Navy RTTY signals I referred to were station VTP on 8298 kc,
> audible sporadically here on the Atlantic coast of Florida in the
> mid-morning hours.  Also heard was another Indian navy station sending
> the identifier "RBSL", not sure what that signifies.  It doesn't appear
> to be a callsign.  Both stations send weather reports and 5 letter
> cypher groups.
>
> The following Dutch navy and Portuguese navy RTTY stations are still
> active using 75 baud/850 shift, and are good copy here at this moment:
>
> CTP (Lisbon, Portugal) 12853.5 kc, 8551.5 kc, 6389 kc
> PBB (Dutch Navy, Dan Helder) 8439.15 kc, 6357.75 kc, 4280 kc, 2474 kc
>
> Both are channel availability broadcasts.  Actual traffic is infrequent.
>
> Deutsche Wetterdienst is copyable on 7646 kc,10100.8 kc, 11039 kc, and
> 14673 kc, using 50 baud 400 shift.
>
> I'll have to look through my notes to find the frequencies on which I've
> heard that French Forces 85 shift station.  The call sign was "CALORIE",
> and typically was sending test transmissions with "Brick Geants", the
> French equivalent of "Quick Brown Foxes"
>
> To be sure, there's only a fraction of the unencrypted baudot RTTY there
> was even a few years ago.  However, some can still be found, though it
> takes a little dialing around to find it.  I'm fortunate to be located
> on the Atlantic coast (about 35 m. south of Cape Canaveral), and have a
> 0-30 MHz rotary log periodic and several beverages.  Signals from
> Europe, Africa, and the middle and far east are pretty good here, though
> conditions are generally poor these days.  Folks further inland may not
> hear these signals as well as we can on the coast.  Enjoy these stations
> while they last!
>
> 73,
>
> John K9WT
>
> On 12/27/2010 4:12 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > Thanks for your report on RTTY signals still on the air. What are the
> > frequencies that you are copying??
> >
> > Please let this list know of your 850hz transmission schedules.  Hope to
> > have our AN/GRC-142 running by then.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> > USASA  31J
> >
> > Chief TTY operator&  repairman
> > AWA Communications Museum
> > http://www.antiquewireless.org/
> > http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/museum.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> From: John Vendely<jvendely at cfl.rr.com>
> >> Sent: Dec 27, 2010 3:32 PM
> >> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CFH 10.943 Now Dead
> >>
> >> The Dutch navy still has a few frequencies with 75/850 RTTY in use,
> >> which I heard over the weekend, but they're just channel availability
> >> broadcasts.  It's better than nothing, though.  Hopefully they didn't
> >> disappear after the holiday as well.  The Portuguese navy still had
> >> similar transmissions, though I haven't checked recently.  The German
> >> weather bureau transmissions are still there on several frequencies 24/7
> >> at 50 baud, and I occasionally hear Indian navy RTTY broadcasts in the 8
> >> Mc band, with shifts as high as 1 kHz.  I also occasionally hear some
> >> French Forces 50 baud 85 shift RTTY, probably special operations, as
> >> they appear only sporadically.  Virtually all the French Forces point to
> >> point links using the Siemens ARQ modems (ARQ-E, ARQ-E3, etc.) are now
> >> extinct. The only one I still hear is the link from La Reunion to Paris,
> >> both sides of which are copyable here at this moment at 11,421.7 and
> >> 11,521.7 kc.  This link idles most of the time, though a small but
> >> consistent amount of traffic does come through.  Of course, this is
> >> really not "classic" RTTY.
> >> Suffice to say that HF data transmission has changed radically in the
> >> last several years.  Maritime stations have gone mostly to proprietary
> >> versions of Pactor, and the military has moved to the esoteric high
> >> speed HF waveforms.
> >>
> >> It's gotten to the point where we'll have to provide our own RTTY
> >> traffic if we want something to receive on HF.  For what it's worth,
> >> every April at the Vietnam Veteran's Reunion in Melbourne, FL, we set up
> >> a large display of operational military radio gear, including 850 shift
> >> teletype using two truck-mounted AN/GRC-122 systems.  Regular schedules
> >> are maintained, and a number of stations around the country participate
> >> in the RTTY nets.  It's dismaying to see how few ham operators even knew
> >> how to set their software-based RTTY systems for 850 shift.  Many assume
> >> that anything other than 170 shift is illegal.  If there's any interest,
> >> I'll make sure this list is notified the next time we operate...
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> John K9WT
> >>
> >> On 12/27/2010 2:45 PM, Ron Boltz wrote:
> >>> The Canadian Forces 10.943 RTTY marker went silent over the Christmas
> >>> weekend.  This was the last CFH station transmitting.  It will be
> >>> greatly missed by me as it was always a good demonstration of RTTY to
> >>> visitors and a good way to test the equipment.  The CFH 10.536 WX was
> >>> better but that went silent several months ago.  Now there is nothing
> >>> reliable I know of here in the east.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Boltz
> >>> K3TZJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
>
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> End of GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 39
> *****************************************



From k1lky at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 27 21:51:57 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:51:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Data test Sets (Digitech Model 2652-20)
Message-ID: <BF5D9917-705C-46C3-B4EA-3F188E9E0200@earthlink.net>

Speaking of Data Test Sets,

Fine job on the Atlantic Research test set, Steve. Love that color - I  
have a number of the old Tek scopes here.


A while ago, I posted this:

> Greenkeyers,
>
> I unearthed from the storage area a:
>
> Digitech Data Industries teletype test set
> Model 2652-20
>
> This thing is quite small, runs on line voltage, and seems to be a
> rather complete test set.
>
> There is a place under the cover for the how-to booklet, but of
> course that's missing.
>
> Can anyone shed light on this thing?  Comments or lore welcome.

And got this reply:

> Write to Tony Snider <trsnider at cox.net> ... He used to sell Digitech
> test sets.  I have one here.
>
> Don
> K9TTY

I wrote to Tony but got no reply that I saw.  (Last post that I have
from him was January '10)

Does anyone know of:

-Tony's whereabouts?

or

- A manual for the Digitech Data Industries Model 2652-20?


Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!




From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Dec 27 23:06:30 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:06:30 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Remembering Don Merz/About Don Merz
In-Reply-To: <002801cba5eb$62611be0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <EF532AEA-039A-404B-8EEC-BEC33B888C23@dls.net>
	<001b01cba581$8d97c850$a8c758f0$@net>
	<002801cba5eb$62611be0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <AE21620A-B77E-4E39-9C09-76F3E63D5CF5@dls.net>

HI George,

Remembering how nice a guy Don was.  I guess I left out too many words.

Don - K9TTY


On 27 Dec 2010, at 11:27 AM, George B. Hutchison wrote:

GreenKeyers - - -

The last time I talked to Don was a couple- three years ago, at least.

He had been an IT person for Gargantuan National Bank and was  
unfortunately one of the point men for the nationwide downsizing/ 
streamlining/RIF efforts which have plagued America and been the norm  
for what seems like the last decade.

He has been slowly divesting himself of many of his favorite goodies  
which include his older radio stuff and teletype gear.

When we chatted he was just going into the mobile music/DJ business  
with his son, and felt that the future was pretty bright.

I was also a mobile dj/club jock/karaoke host for sixteen years, so he  
and I had something else in common.

Hopefully he occasionally peeks at the GreenKeys digest and keeps  
somewhat updated on the latest quirks and gizmoes so often seen on  
GreenKeys.

The phrase "Remembering Don Merz" struck a sad chord with me as it  
implies that he had shuffled off this mortal coil.

Don't Want Dat.

W7TTY





From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Tue Dec 28 06:47:38 2010
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:47:38 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
In-Reply-To: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimE03nC2uvWQUGyf61a1vy2=nBd5aXiFxhoXa_7@mail.gmail.com>

George,

if you really want to transmit "European" ITTY
you have to set the mark tone to 1275 Hz and space to 1445 Hz (aka low
tones) for 170 Hz shift.
As far as I know also in the UK and many other European countries this
frequency pair is common.

All of our t.u.'s are tuned to these frequencies. To copy ITTY
"mechanically" myself I had to buy a Dovetron stateside... Even HAL T.U.s
that were exported to Europe use "low tones".

73s and all best wishes for the upcoming year,

Henning DF3OE

www.teleprinter.net

2010/12/27 George B. Hutchison <w7tty at olypen.com>

> European GreenKeyers and Telex Enthusiasts - - -
>
> Greetings and Salutations
>
> That ITTY Channel which has been carrying 100 WPM ITTY traffic has been
> slowed down to 66 WPM!!!
>
> It's carrying the same material as the 60 speed channel, but as an
> experiment towards getting more interrest in ITTY from Europe and the Telex
> Club of The Universe, 66 WPM data is available Just for You!!
>
> Watch Don House Reorganize Washington, DC in gorgeous black and canary.
>
> Join Wayne LeTourneau as he stealthily moves through the snowy woods of
> Minnesota carrying his 12 gauge Mini-Gun and the 1000 round magazine on his
> back, seeking news from the Cutpurses, Ne'er-do-wells, Varlets, Drunks and
> wierdos lurking deep in the hinterlands.
>
> See Tom Tillson Cleverly tweak the ITTY computers from his underground lair
> somewhere in New York State.
>
> See George screw things up because he is half-asleep.
>
> Enjoy the thrill of watching The Cat step on the cabling.  OOPS - Won't
> happen on 66 WPM, It doesn't use an external tone source - sorry...
>
> Tune in TODAY to <65.243.191.51:8030> and type it LIVE on your Creed,
> Lorenz, Siemens, or retired 32 ASR Telex Machine.
>
> Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or anything but
> WinAMP.
>
> For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have been
> able
> to determine..
>
> W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 28 12:10:53 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:10:53 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Bill is New to the list
In-Reply-To: <C0E3FC5F-C9B2-4C75-9E63-2AF6B5503B39@gmail.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>
	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>
	<4D0F85F8.9040109@blcain.com>
	<C0E3FC5F-C9B2-4C75-9E63-2AF6B5503B39@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D1A1A1D.6070404@blcain.com>

Hello,
That sounds great! Where will you be going and where can I meet you? 
And, what would you like for it?
Thanks again for the offer.
Bill

On 12/27/2010 5:19 PM, Don Robert House wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> I have restored an "extra" 28KSR.  My wife and I are planning a trip 
> out west this summer.  I could bring the machine along.
> Keep in touch.
>
> Best,
> Don
> K9TTY
>
> On 20 Dec 2010, at 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> Hello again.
> Thanks for all the replies.
> I live in Newberry Springs, Ca. About 20 miles east of Barstow, Ca on 
> I 40. Kind of in the middle of the desert. We live on 10 fenced acres  
> on the side of Newberry Mountain.
> Wonderful views!
> All of our "natural born" are grown, married and live in Vegas and 
> Texas. We have 2 adopted boys, ages 15 and 12. Adopted them when they 
> were both about 5.
> With my luck, I'm sure that there is nobody in my area or within 100 
> miles that would be willing to part with a unit, but I would be 
> willing to try to find someone.
> Thanks for the offers, I think it is great!!.
> Merry Christmas to all.
> Bill
>

From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 28 12:23:26 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:23:26 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Finding a TTY...
In-Reply-To: <BF817E39-54A3-4A5A-9B4F-EBE382928104@gmail.com>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>	<4D100FC6.8020804@blcain.com>
	<4D102CDC.2080808@bellsouth.net> <4D10387B.8000401@blcain.com>
	<001801cba114$d16b7750$744265f0$@net> <4D10EF6F.4080901@blcain.com>
	<BF817E39-54A3-4A5A-9B4F-EBE382928104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D1A1D0E.7090107@blcain.com>

Yes! Please let me know the shipping via UPS. I will have to wait till 
after the first to pay you. Please let me know the payment type you 
would like.
Seems like when it rains it pours! I have had a few VERY nice offers. 
Looks like I will be getting back to getting TTY oil all over my hands 
again!
Thank You
Bill


On 12/27/2010 8:54 PM, Don Robert House wrote:
> Bill,
> I have a spare 28KSR base with motor in addition to the complete 28KSR 
> I mentioned earlier.
> You can have it for the shipping.  I have an account with FedEx and 
> UPS and can ship it ground.
> I would need you to pay me for the shipping. Let me know and I will 
> get you a quote.
> The only thing you would need to do is to replace some of the keytops 
> as this base was for
> a 3-row TWX and has fractions on the upper case instead of some of the 
> punctuation. Many
> of the keytops are available from Paul Cembura for about $1.35 each.
>
> Paul runs a small parts business "RTTY Electronics" in El Sobrante, CA.
> He can be reached at: mr_rtty at pacbell.net
>
> Best,
> Don K9TTY - RIngwood, IL
>
>
> On 21 Dec 2010, at 12:18 PM, Bill wrote:
>
> That would be great. Please let me know what you would like for it all
> and shipping costs (via UPS) if possible. FedX has a hard time finding
> me and UPS is out here about 3 times a month. Any pictures?
> Thanks again.
> Bill
>
> On 12/21/2010 5:41 AM, Jack wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> I might be able to hlep you with a "project" 28.
>> I have a 28 RO base, a motor and I believe I have
>> a workable typing unit. This stuff is easy enough
>> to pack and ship and it would give you a basic
>> 28 to play with. You can use Heavymetal or ITTY
>> to run it. You might be able to find a keyboard
>> eventually...
>>
>> Let me know...I'll have to do some digging to
>> find eveything.
>>
>> Jack K0TTY - Kansas City, MO
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:18 PM
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Finding a TTY...
>>
>> What a great project. That would keep me busy for days and I would
>> love it!
>> Thanks for the link.
>> Bill
>>
>> On 12/20/2010 8:28 PM, Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2010 8:24 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> Thanks for all the replies.
>>>> I live in Newberry Springs, Ca. About 20 miles east of Barstow, Ca
>> on I
>>>> 40.
>>> Wow - sorta in the middle of no where!   I *used* to live in L. A. -
>>> as did Jeff (he's in Ranger Tex).  Also did some time in Lakeport
>>> (Clear Lake) and San Francisco (actually Vallejo). Now we're in
>>> Mississippi.
>>>
>>> I mentioned building one...   Here is the scoop on that:
>>>
>>> http://www.comcents.com/tty/tty.php
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend such a project for a lot of people - but it
>>> sounds like it's something you could manage.  Then again - LA has a
>>> vast number of HAMs, etc. that likely have gear that can be had...
>>> and having a bunch of Greenkeyers looking out for stuff won't hurt.
>>>
>>> So hang in there - it'll happen!
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From bill at blcain.com  Tue Dec 28 13:27:08 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:27:08 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Bill is New to the list
In-Reply-To: <4D1A1E71.3020009@copper.net>
References: <4D0ECD49.5060601@blcain.com>	<CF1A9274-64A2-4A3B-BD04-16159382A6FC@gmail.com>	<4D0F85F8.9040109@blcain.com>	<C0E3FC5F-C9B2-4C75-9E63-2AF6B5503B39@gmail.com>
	<4D1A1A1D.6070404@blcain.com> <4D1A1E71.3020009@copper.net>
Message-ID: <4D1A2BFC.6040303@blcain.com>

WOW! Can't believe all this. Looking forward getting this stuff! Wish I 
could do something for all of you back.

Thank you!!
Bill

On 12/28/2010 9:29 AM, riceguy wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Hello,
>> That sounds great! Where will you be going and where can I meet you? 
>> And, what would you like for it?
>> Thanks again for the offer.
>> Bill
>>
>> On 12/27/2010 5:19 PM, Don Robert House wrote:
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I have restored an "extra" 28KSR.  My wife and I are planning a trip 
>>> out west this summer.  I could bring the machine along.
>>> Keep in touch.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Don
>>> K9TTY
> Hey Bill - If/When Don stops here in ABQ, he can grab my 28KSR too and 
> add it to the pile of stuff headed your way
> if you want !!!!!
>
> Rice
>

From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Tue Dec 28 14:03:54 2010
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:03:54 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
In-Reply-To: <002101cba6b8$bfab50e0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
	<AANLkTi=1c4uKLorJ-NLNjJWQ+m4vLOr7hd+VQnvQ+KZc@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101cba6b8$bfab50e0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=z6q+AMFuK=1KYCTpyCFekiy2XzZUd6tHuMMsz@mail.gmail.com>

George,

have been copying ITTY 66 wpm for a few hours today. Perfect copy, almost
(99.9%) error free !

Thanks for working on the "European tones". Another problem for us here on
the other side
of the pond is the USTTY alphabet. The quite often used character "$" is
"Who are you?" in ITA2. (shift D)
When copying it with an ITA2 machine (which are 99 % over here) is garbage
printing as the answerback of the receiving machine
starts to send... :-(  Fortunately I have two "USTTY" machines in my
collection that were in use with the US ARMY Germany,
but they are VERY rare to find.

So, if there would be also a way to send this 50 Bauds channel on ITA2 we
would be more than happy here
and I am sure you will have a lot of "listeners". Once you get all this
things fixed I can put the info about
the 66WPM ITTY also on the German language teleprinter collector's mailing
list.

73 & gl,

Henning DF3OE






2010/12/28 George B. Hutchison <w7tty at olypen.com>

> Henning - - -
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> I will reset the tones when I get ITTY moved to its new room.
>
> It will take a counter and a bit of experimenting because the tones on that
> channel are sound card derived, and the constants are not linear, but it
> should only take a few minutes.
>
> Right now I am repairing and aligning a pair of Electrocom terminal units
> that use thumbwheel switches to set the tones. I have no book on that
> particular configuration, so it took a bit of trial and error but I got the
> alignment such that if the switches say 2125, thetuning is dead on, and when
> changed to 2975, they're also dead on.
>
> The electrocom is kinda like the dovetron, in that is uses identical fixed
> filters for the tone processing, and mixes with a variable oscillator, in
> this case an pair of Exar 2206's which directly feed the channel filters.
>
> The display is a CRT that is driven with a pair of Exar 2208's which are
> classed as "operational multipliers". Hard to find chips and expensive as
> hell when you do. But the display is an absolute straight line, both
> horizontal and vertical. Really nice.
>
> Got to get going and run the plugstrips and power into the new "ITTY".
>
> Stay tuned. If there is enough interest I will keep the European channel
> active and you can contribute to it using th ITTY Mailer. Additionally, I
> can also let you folks over there control it by using "Team Viewer", a
> remote screen viewing and control software that works very well, and is free
> for non-commercial use. I use it all the time when I am at work, and have no
> problems with it.
>
> Thanks again for letting me know what the European tone standards are.
>
> 73,
>
> George - W7TTY - ITTY Central
>
>
>

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 28 22:11:41 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:11:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
Message-ID: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

George,

I've been using WinAmp for ITTY, but since you mentioned it had problems, I decided to switch over to Windows Media Player.

I made Windows Media Player the default player, but when I click  on my ITTY shortcut ([playlist]NumberOfEntries=1File1=http://65.243.191.51:8000/)
Windows Media Player says "...extension (.pls) is not recognized by Windows Media Player..."  

I tried  to play it with WMP anyway, but it just gives another WMP "cannot play this file" error.

I tried Window Media Center, but couldn't figure out how to make it go out onto the Internet to get an audio file.

Computer is running Windows 7 (64 bit).

What am I missing??

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ



-----Original Message-----
>From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2010 1:51 PM
>To: GreenKeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
>
>
>Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or anything but 
>WinAMP.
>
>For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have been able 
>to determine..
>
>W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA
>
>


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 28 22:23:20 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:23:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
In-Reply-To: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012282123090.4411@Frances>

I've been using Realplayer, in Windows and Linux.


From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 28 23:10:24 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:10:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
In-Reply-To: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D1AB4B0.7020101@roadrunner.com>

Winamp has been very reliable for me.




On 12/28/2010 10:11 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> George,
>
> I've been using WinAmp for ITTY, but since you mentioned it had problems, I decided to switch over to Windows Media Player.
>
> I made Windows Media Player the default player, but when I click  on my ITTY shortcut ([playlist]NumberOfEntries=1File1=http://65.243.191.51:8000/)
> Windows Media Player says "...extension (.pls) is not recognized by Windows Media Player..."
>

From n9vmo at comcast.net  Tue Dec 28 23:26:27 2010
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:26:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
In-Reply-To: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5479841.1293592302162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004801cba710$8fd7f000$af87d000$@net>

I am a firm believer of WinAmp and use it for broadcasting on an
internet radio station.  I have also used it for ITTY and have never
had any issues with it dropping out.

If you have to use WMP, just paste http://65.243.191.51:8000 into the
URL, do not use anything after the 8000. 

Joe Montano
N9VMO 

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Brown
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 22:12
To: George B. Hutchison; GreenKeys
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player

George,

I've been using WinAmp for ITTY, but since you mentioned it had
problems, I decided to switch over to Windows Media Player.

I made Windows Media Player the default player, but when I click  on
my ITTY shortcut
([playlist]NumberOfEntries=1File1=http://65.243.191.51:8000/)
Windows Media Player says "...extension (.pls) is not recognized by
Windows Media Player..."  

I tried  to play it with WMP anyway, but it just gives another WMP
"cannot play this file" error.

I tried Window Media Center, but couldn't figure out how to make it go
out onto the Internet to get an audio file.

Computer is running Windows 7 (64 bit).

What am I missing??

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ



-----Original Message-----
>From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2010 1:51 PM
>To: GreenKeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
>
>
>Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or
anything but 
>WinAMP.
>
>For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have
been able 
>to determine..
>
>W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA
>
>

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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Tue Dec 28 22:48:05 2010
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:48:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101228224432.04e13248@incoming.verizon.net>


From w3nu at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec 29 01:47:54 2010
From: w3nu at roadrunner.com (Charles Ring)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:47:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
In-Reply-To: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <000d01cba5f7$133b7540$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <4D1AD99A.4000704@roadrunner.com>

On further checking I did have dropouts on the 50 baud feed (only) using 
winamp. i also noticed that feed has a higher audio level than the 45.45 
baud feed and has audible switching transients. Related? I don't know.


On 12/27/2010 1:51 PM, George B. Hutchison wrote:
> Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or anything but
> WinAMP.
>
> For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have been able
> to determine..
>
> W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA
>
>
>

From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 07:25:05 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 07:25:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
Message-ID: <413d8.1beef1a5.3a4c82a1@aol.com>

I swear by Real player. Best I've  used.

http://www.real.com/realplayer

Tom Tillson  


From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Wed Dec 29 07:54:15 2010
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:54:15 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
In-Reply-To: <413d8.1beef1a5.3a4c82a1@aol.com>
References: <413d8.1beef1a5.3a4c82a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_M_AFkDKG7Oj__J9qEqBqQin_tt8LEzkx5DDY@mail.gmail.com>

Also had drop outs with WinAmp. Now I use Realplayer and everything works
fine.

Henning DF3OE



2010/12/29 <Til128 at aol.com>

> I swear by Real player. Best I've  used.
>
> http://www.real.com/realplayer
>
> Tom Tillson
>
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From wb0cte at netscape.net  Wed Dec 29 08:43:50 2010
From: wb0cte at netscape.net (wb0cte at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:43:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
In-Reply-To: <4D1AB4B0.7020101@roadrunner.com>
References: <4D1AB4B0.7020101@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <8CD75758F25BACD-CFC-55B73@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

I have used winamp since itty started and have never had a problem with it
wayne? wb0cte




-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Ring &lt;w3nu at roadrunner.com&gt;
To: Duncan Brown &lt;duncanancy at earthlink.net&gt;
Cc: GreenKeys &lt;GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net&gt;
Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ITTY player




Winamp has been very reliable for me. 
 
 
 
 
On 12/28/2010 10:11 PM, Duncan Brown wrote: 
&gt; George, 
&gt; 
&gt; I've been using WinAmp for ITTY, but since you mentioned it had problems, I  
decided to switch over to Windows Media Player. 
&gt; 
&gt; I made Windows Media Player the default player, but when I click  on my ITTY  
shortcut ([playlist]NumberOfEntries=1File1=http://65.243.191.51:8000/) 
&gt; Windows Media Player says "...extension (.pls) is not recognized by Windows  
Media Player..." 
&gt; 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 29 10:52:28 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:52:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
Message-ID: <8374804.1293637948525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

OK,

Thanks for all the comments.  Guess I'll keep WinAmp for now; switch to RealPlayer if I have problems.

Have fun,

Duncan



-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Montano <n9vmo at comcast.net>
>Sent: Dec 28, 2010 11:26 PM
>To: 'GreenKeys' <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
>
>I am a firm believer of WinAmp and use it for broadcasting on an
>internet radio station.  I have also used it for ITTY and have never
>had any issues with it dropping out.
>
>If you have to use WMP, just paste http://65.243.191.51:8000 into the
>URL, do not use anything after the 8000. 
>
>Joe Montano
>N9VMO 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Brown
>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 22:12
>To: George B. Hutchison; GreenKeys
>Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY player
>
>George,
>
>I've been using WinAmp for ITTY, but since you mentioned it had
>problems, I decided to switch over to Windows Media Player.
>
>I made Windows Media Player the default player, but when I click  on
>my ITTY shortcut
>([playlist]NumberOfEntries=1File1=http://65.243.191.51:8000/)
>Windows Media Player says "...extension (.pls) is not recognized by
>Windows Media Player..."  
>
>I tried  to play it with WMP anyway, but it just gives another WMP
>"cannot play this file" error.
>
>I tried Window Media Center, but couldn't figure out how to make it go
>out onto the Internet to get an audio file.
>
>Computer is running Windows 7 (64 bit).
>
>What am I missing??
>
>Thanks,
>
>Duncan
>K2OEQ
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
>>Sent: Dec 27, 2010 1:51 PM
>>To: GreenKeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: [GreenKeys] ATTN Europeans And Telex Machine Enthusiasts
>>
>>
>>Recommended Players are Wiindows Media Player, Real Player, or
>anything but 
>>WinAMP.
>>
>>For some reason WinAMP likes to drop out for no fault that we have
>been able 
>>to determine..
>>
>>W7TTY - ITTY Central - Sequim, WA. USA
>>
>>
>
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From w7tty at olypen.com  Wed Dec 29 11:13:55 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:13:55 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] WinAMP
Message-ID: <001101cba773$659bad50$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

Greenkeyers - - -

I spent many hours working with WinAMP and ITTY trying to figure out what 
the problem was/is.

First, WinAMP is really an outstanding program when it comes to the 
versatility of what you can do with soundcards.

WinAMP has a feature whereby you can run multiple instances of WinAMP.

I have had three soundcards running simultaneously in one computer using 
WinAMP. Each soundcard had a different Shoutcast radio program running on 
it.

The trick was they had to be different brands of soundcards. Apparently each 
different brand of soundcard has different bus addressing such that they 
don't interfere with one another.

Where the system failed was when I had ITTY on one of the soundcards, the 
ITTY channel would run for hours, or it would run for seconds before it 
crashed. A computer with only the on-board soundcard would crash. A computer 
with a PCI soundcard would crash.

Winamp has a host of variable features allowing you to change the size of 
the buffers, and so forth.

WinAMP has run flawlessly on the transmitting side of ITTY.

In order to keep the bandwidth narrow enough to allow a number of listeners, 
I use an encoding program by AudioRealm which has some configurations in the 
11 KHz sample rate, mono, that with the upload bandwidth I have her on DSL 
(with Qwest) I can comfortably run up to 20 listeners assuming I run only 
one ITTY channel.

Another advantage of running low bandwidth is that it works very well with 
dial-up access. Wayne in Minnesota is on dialup, and he runs long hours with 
solid copy.

Should ITTY become so popular I need more bandwidth than my single line 
allows, I would have to go to using relay servers, which is what the biggie 
internet broadcasters do.

Bottom line - I have no adverse issue with WinAMP other than the fact that I 
cannot use it for receiving due to its random drop out characteristic. I 
might be due to the fact that I use a lot of Dell GX-150 desktop computers, 
which have only a 1 gig processor speed.

I use multiple computers because of the redundancy factor. If one craps out 
the others still keep on chugging.

Bill Bytheway has run multiple instances of the ITTY broadcasting app on one 
computer. This is great, but if it bites the dust the whole system is down, 
and though it is bit of a hassle keeping track of what is going on with each 
different computer, it has been a major point of operation that ITTY has 
been as reliable as it is.

Were I to be able to afford some of the new spiffy 12 core processors with 
Auto-Butler, Insta-Chef, with Beer Cooler Included, running 128 bit versions 
of Windows Super ULTRA Seven, it might be different, but inasmuch as I am a 
fan of dedicated use computers, I'll stick with the 35-dollar cheapies.

I like Dells because I have a "magic" disc that allows me to things 
economically.

I am glad that some of you have great success with WinAMP. I would like to 
know more about your system and the configuration(s) you use, as it might 
help me to understand what is going on.

I relate all of this to y'all so that you are aware of some of the 
activities here at ITTY as the system has evolved. It certainly isn't 
perfect, but a part of ITTY that has been in the forefront is that all the 
user needs is an off-the-shelf computer, a cheapo TU such as an ST-6, and a 
teletype machine. Those interested can hook up their gear and make it play.

I am not a software whiz-bang, so I have held-back doing anything with heavy 
metal. It is my understanding that it was originally written so as to make a 
six-level machine such as a model 20 play. Most people do not have six-level 
machines, so I guess you could say ITTY fills a void.

Happy  New Year all,

W7TTY



From w7tty at olypen.com  Wed Dec 29 11:36:47 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:36:47 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Input to 66 WPM ITTY
Message-ID: <001c01cba776$9717ccd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

The address to input traffic to the 66 WPM ITTY Channel is as follows, using 
the mailer...


Source: Your name or call or unique identifier

Input address window should be:  66-WPM

Ports should be:  594 or 595

URL: 65.243.191.51

I just changed and tested it, and it works fine.

W7TTY





From steveripper at comcast.net  Wed Dec 29 22:48:01 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:48:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 15 in L.A.
In-Reply-To: <001c01cba776$9717ccd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
References: <001c01cba776$9717ccd0$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <000301cba7d4$5cca7ab0$165f7010$@net>

Model 15 available in LA. Asking $100

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/clt/2133408055.html

Cheers,
?
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705



From ksweek at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 28 14:19:48 2010
From: ksweek at mindspring.com (ksweek at mindspring.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:19:48 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Atlantic Research Data Tek 9600 Restoration
Message-ID: <20101228191950.41C9837411B4@mailman.qth.net>

Nice restoration job. I didn't see a fan or vents on the unit. Does it
get pretty warm if left on for extended amount of time as it looks like
a lot of electronics in a fairly small space? Thanks for the picts.
Ken S


From w7tty at olypen.com  Thu Dec 30 03:36:07 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:36:07 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Data Tek 9600 Repairs
Message-ID: <000901cba7fc$9b6f7040$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - -- -

Please recall my comments about the test jacks on the 9600 and how they will 
break the solder joints where they penetrate the circuit board.

Today I went through mine and discovered some lifted foil on one of the 
terminals on the distortion input jack, and likewise on the bottom jack of 
the three keyer loop jacks.

Using some appropriately sized bus wire I strongbacked all of the tender 
foil and ran the end of the bus wire through a nearby via in the vicinity of 
(and same circuit) as the problem jacks.

After getting all the jacks back in place noticed a gap between the bottom 
of the bezels and the front panel. Using some rubber gasket material made 
some little cushions that are slightly larger thaat the bottom of the bezels 
that willhelp reduce the potential for damage due to over exuberant 
insertion of test cables.

Some observations include the realization that the circuit board closest to 
the main panel is stressed (bowed) in the vicinity of the meter due to the 
meter terminals being a greater height above the rear of the front panel 
than the switches and other paraphernalia that are part of the mounting 
arrangement. Not really well done mechanically.

Also discovered that all of the dip switches on the front panel are 
socketed, not soldered in. Had one of the little levers on one switch broken 
so decided to fix it. The switches can be removed by carefully pulling with 
a pair of thin long nose pliers. Alternately give each end of the switch a 
little tug pulling it straight out.

Radio Shack has eight position dip switches for $2.79. The pins are a wee 
bit shorter than the original switches but they fit perfectly. Also, the 
individual switch actuators are rockers as opposed to the taller levers. 
Less chance of  breaking them off.

W7TTY



From gregf at pon.net  Thu Dec 30 11:23:02 2010
From: gregf at pon.net (Greg Farrell)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:23:02 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
Message-ID: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>

Hi All,

I am brand new to RTTY hardware and this group, first posting. Had a problem with my email address since I send from my native account, not k6sro at arrl.net and got a  message back I was not on the member list, but I am. Changed my email address to gregf at pon.net so hope this works.


Picked up a model 15 from Paul http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm yesterday.

Thank you Paul.

He demonstrated that machine with a little interface box from his laptop running ITTY. 

Where can I get this box or does anyone have a schematic/parts list for one?  It had an email address on it something like eric at linpoc.com but that doesn't work.

TNX in advance.


Greg
K6SRO
-.- -.... ... .-. ---

From w7tty at olypen.com  Thu Dec 30 12:09:20 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:09:20 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
References: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>
Message-ID: <001701cba844$4dd09970$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

Howdy - - -

This is George - W7TTY, the guy who runs ITTY.

I see you are located in Santa Rosa. I have an uncle who lives there. Square 
dancing is his thing, and you might have heard of Wischemann Hall. That is 
his jernt.

Currently on ebay there is a HAL ST-6 that is sitting at around 26 bucks. It 
is being auctioned by Jack Hart, K0TTY, and Jack always sells GOOD stuff.

You might want to up the ante on it and see how you do.

The ST-6 was designed by Irv Hoff, W7FFC, (long deceased) and the design has 
been around for around 42 years. I drew the original schematic of it from 
Irv's notes after he became satisfied with the design. It is a workhorse 
type of unit. They just sit there and run.

I see from the QRZ photo that you sit in a museum. Nice job.

You might want to consider running out to Point Reyes City and go beyond 
about fifteen miles or so and visit the trooops at the old KPH site out on 
Point Reyes.

Dick Dillman, W6AWO is the Chief Op out there and a real nice guy, and a 
master CW operator.

They are out there every Saturday from maybe nine in the morning on, and 
that is the day that the KPH/KSM Maritime Historical Stations are on the 
air. KSM is the transmitter site at Bolinas.

If you get into a real pinch I might be able to come up with something to 
help. I am currently going through a pair of Electrocom 402DL Terminal 
units. Interesting design, sort of a forerunner to the Dovetron, in that 
they are heterodyne-type terminal units that use identical bandpass filters 
for the signal processing.

I don't care that much for the Dovetron units as they use an EXAR 2206 
function generator for the oscillator, which is essentially a voltage 
controlled device. There are too many connectors between the oscillators and 
the control pots, so they tend to drift a bit with time, due to resistance 
change in the slip fittings of the connectors.

Welcome to the world of RTTY. GreenKeys has a pile of knowledgeable people, 
and most qustions are answered quickly.

Good Luck, and Welcome to the Fold.

73,

George - W7TTY - ITTY Central



From w7tty at olypen.com  Thu Dec 30 12:15:07 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:15:07 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
References: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>
	<001701cba844$4dd09970$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>
Message-ID: <001a01cba845$1c922260$0600a8c0@rttylaptop>

GreenKeyers - - -

Big OOOOPs!!!

Irv Hoff was W6FFC.  My Bad!!!

W7TTY



From gregf at pon.net  Thu Dec 30 12:47:07 2010
From: gregf at pon.net (Greg Farrell)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:47:07 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
Message-ID: <9274CAABE9804BC6A01A612D167173A4@radiodadPC>

Hi George,

Many thanks for the warm welcome to the group and those pointers!  I really 
appreciate the help.

73,

Greg
K6SRO
-.- -.... ... .-. ---



From epvgk at limpoc.com  Thu Dec 30 13:37:26 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:37:26 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
In-Reply-To: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>
References: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>
Message-ID: <20101230183725.GA6447@limpoc.com>

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:23:02AM -0800, Greg Farrell wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am brand new to RTTY hardware and this group, first posting. Had a problem with my email address since I send from my native account, not k6sro at arrl.net and got a  message back I was not on the member list, but I am. Changed my email address to gregf at pon.net so hope this works.
> 
> 
> Picked up a model 15 from Paul http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm yesterday.
> 
> Thank you Paul.
> 
> He demonstrated that machine with a little interface box from his laptop running ITTY. 
> 
> Where can I get this box or does anyone have a schematic/parts list for one?  It had an email address on it something like eric at linpoc.com but that doesn't work.
> 
> TNX in advance.
> 
> 
> Greg
> K6SRO
hi, that's me :)
i can give you schematics and parts lists for that little box if you like, and if you have 
patience could etch you a bare pc board for it. you'd be on your own assembling it but it's
a very simple circuit.

eric at limpoc.com


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From marc at marcf.com  Thu Dec 30 14:24:50 2010
From: marc at marcf.com (Marc Francisco)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:24:50 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] 8 level paper tape labels
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I have a model 35ASR. One of the old tapes that I have has human readable
text punched in the tape as a label. It has several different letters and
numbers, but not all of them.

I see that the newest version of Heavy Metal (3.x) has the ability to create
these tape labels, but they are designed for 5-level tapes, not the 8 bits
that the 35 uses.

Does anyone have the full set of characters used on these tape labels?

-Marc

From pete at petelancashire.com  Thu Dec 30 14:28:01 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:28:01 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] 8 level paper tape labels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kybH6gzFeO6cFF0PWHFkLMANV0KZdeGb5YaGH@mail.gmail.com>

somewhere i the attic is the PDP-11 assembly code :-)

-pete

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Marc Francisco <marc at marcf.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have a model 35ASR. One of the old tapes that I have has human readable
> text punched in the tape as a label. It has several different letters and
> numbers, but not all of them.
>
> I see that the newest version of Heavy Metal (3.x) has the ability to create
> these tape labels, but they are designed for 5-level tapes, not the 8 bits
> that the 35 uses.
>
> Does anyone have the full set of characters used on these tape labels?
>
> -Marc
> ______________________________________________________________
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From nerd at verizon.net  Thu Dec 30 14:31:07 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:31:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 8 level paper tape labels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D1CDDFB.5060601@verizon.net>

Decades ago I had written a program in BASIC for the school timesharing 
terminal (an ASR-33) which turned text to letters on tape.

The school confiscated the program, the tapes I made, and banned me for 
the rest of the year from using the computer, because of the POTENTIAL 
of using such a thing for foul language!

It's not hard to figure out the sequences.  I based mine on the 5x7 dot 
matrix printer fonts which had just came out.

Peter



On 12/30/2010 2:24 PM, Marc Francisco wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have a model 35ASR. One of the old tapes that I have has human readable
> text punched in the tape as a label. It has several different letters and
> numbers, but not all of them.
>
> I see that the newest version of Heavy Metal (3.x) has the ability to create
> these tape labels, but they are designed for 5-level tapes, not the 8 bits
> that the 35 uses.
>
> Does anyone have the full set of characters used on these tape labels?
>
> -Marc
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
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> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From pete at petelancashire.com  Thu Dec 30 14:46:49 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:46:49 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] 8 level paper tape labels
In-Reply-To: <4D1CDDFB.5060601@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D1CDDFB.5060601@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimP3cPs9dS2poSr_kq0sxyGYm8zmj9Fvi_5Z7oS@mail.gmail.com>

fond memories .. Was lucky had a P/ROM reader. I read the pattern out
of a Signetics  ROM masked
as a character generator.

Here you go ...

http://amigan.yatho.com/2513.pdf


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net> wrote:
> Decades ago I had written a program in BASIC for the school timesharing
> terminal (an ASR-33) which turned text to letters on tape.
>
> The school confiscated the program, the tapes I made, and banned me for
> the rest of the year from using the computer, because of the POTENTIAL
> of using such a thing for foul language!
>
> It's not hard to figure out the sequences. ?I based mine on the 5x7 dot
> matrix printer fonts which had just came out.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 12/30/2010 2:24 PM, Marc Francisco wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I have a model 35ASR. One of the old tapes that I have has human readable
>> text punched in the tape as a label. It has several different letters and
>> numbers, but not all of them.
>>
>> I see that the newest version of Heavy Metal (3.x) has the ability to create
>> these tape labels, but they are designed for 5-level tapes, not the 8 bits
>> that the 35 uses.
>>
>> Does anyone have the full set of characters used on these tape labels?
>>
>> -Marc
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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From pete at petelancashire.com  Thu Dec 30 14:54:52 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:54:52 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] 8 level paper tape labels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimP3cPs9dS2poSr_kq0sxyGYm8zmj9Fvi_5Z7oS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D1CDDFB.5060601@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTimP3cPs9dS2poSr_kq0sxyGYm8zmj9Fvi_5Z7oS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=pjdihRDpG3pLbZ6TwnFZGm-O4RORnKZ=MW55@mail.gmail.com>

The complete spec sheet

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B86wM5n5RE3kMTNjNmRmYTYtOTY2ZC00ODY2LWFmYWEtY2MzNDQxOTg1YTNh&hl=en

and check out what you need to do to get a custom made ..

-pete

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Pete Lancashire
<pete at petelancashire.com> wrote:
> fond memories .. Was lucky had a P/ROM reader. I read the pattern out
> of a Signetics ?ROM masked
> as a character generator.
>
> Here you go ...
>
> http://amigan.yatho.com/2513.pdf
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Decades ago I had written a program in BASIC for the school timesharing
>> terminal (an ASR-33) which turned text to letters on tape.
>>
>> The school confiscated the program, the tapes I made, and banned me for
>> the rest of the year from using the computer, because of the POTENTIAL
>> of using such a thing for foul language!
>>
>> It's not hard to figure out the sequences. ?I based mine on the 5x7 dot
>> matrix printer fonts which had just came out.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/30/2010 2:24 PM, Marc Francisco wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I have a model 35ASR. One of the old tapes that I have has human readable
>>> text punched in the tape as a label. It has several different letters and
>>> numbers, but not all of them.
>>>
>>> I see that the newest version of Heavy Metal (3.x) has the ability to create
>>> these tape labels, but they are designed for 5-level tapes, not the 8 bits
>>> that the 35 uses.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the full set of characters used on these tape labels?
>>>
>>> -Marc
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 30 16:36:06 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:36:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012301533001.4528@Frances>

I have an ST-5 that someone gave me - appears to be neatly home-built
using PC boards for the power supply and detector, and something homemade
on Vector board, maybe the AFSK generator.  It seems to be rather 
different from the ST-5 schematic that is on rtty.com.  Is anyone
familiar with this variant of the ST-5 and perhaps has a schematic?

Jim W6JVE


From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec 30 16:52:07 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:52:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
References: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1012301533001.4528@Frances>
Message-ID: <0B05D77277FA4B54B88C48B48ADA35B0@d2400>

What a coincidence!  Just cleaning up the mess I call my library and here's 
an old, ragged book with ST-5AS Autostart on the cover.

Now, could this be what Jim is looking for?  If it 'tis, Jim has to send me 
his mailing address and I'll send it on a loan not to exceed 50 years ! !

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.


>I have an ST-5 that someone gave me - appears to be neatly home-built
> using PC boards for the power supply and detector, and something homemade
> on Vector board, maybe the AFSK generator.  It seems to be rather
> different from the ST-5 schematic that is on rtty.com.  Is anyone
> familiar with this variant of the ST-5 and perhaps has a schematic?
>
> Jim W6JVE


From ecom1 at mhsdesign.com  Thu Dec 30 17:02:51 2010
From: ecom1 at mhsdesign.com (Ron Boltz)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:02:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
Message-ID: <B1D4A54C03244F758EC7307731FE4919@Optiplex170>

Yes.  I have manuals from HAL for both the TU and the AS board.  If you need
copies, let me know

Ron Boltz
K3TZJ




From bill at blcain.com  Thu Dec 30 17:08:52 2010
From: bill at blcain.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:08:52 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
In-Reply-To: <20101230183725.GA6447@limpoc.com>
References: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>
	<20101230183725.GA6447@limpoc.com>
Message-ID: <4D1D02F4.4070607@blcain.com>



On 12/30/2010 10:37 AM, epvgk at limpoc.com wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:23:02AM -0800, Greg Farrell wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am brand new to RTTY hardware and this group, first posting. Had a problem with my email address since I send from my native account, not k6sro at arrl.net and got a  message back I was not on the member list, but I am. Changed my email address to gregf at pon.net so hope this works.
>>
>>
>> Picked up a model 15 from Paul http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm yesterday.
>>
>> Thank you Paul.
>>
>> He demonstrated that machine with a little interface box from his laptop running ITTY.
>>
>> Where can I get this box or does anyone have a schematic/parts list for one?  It had an email address on it something like eric at linpoc.com but that doesn't work.
>>
>> TNX in advance.
>>
>>
>> Greg
>> K6SRO

     I would be very interested in this also.
Thanks
Bill Cain
> hi, that's me :)
> i can give you schematics and parts lists for that little box if you like, and if you have
> patience could etch you a bare pc board for it. you'd be on your own assembling it but it's
> a very simple circuit.
>
> eric at limpoc.com
>
>
>> -.- -.... ... .-. ---
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From starbase89 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 17:33:38 2010
From: starbase89 at gmail.com (Joe Giliberti)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:33:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] text messaging to a model 20 teletype
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX9gWTa9ukRdG2A_4s42HpSmPy+GhvDoegC7FG@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

My name is Joe Giliberti. I work/volunteer at the not-for-profit InfoAge
Science & History Learning Center and Museum, located in Wall Township, NJ,
which is located on the site of a former Marconi Transatlantic Receiving
Station as well as the US Army Camp Evans Signal Laboratories. Due to those
associations, we try to have some exhibits related to our heritage.
We are working on an exhibit dedicated to World War II communications. We
currently have a Western Electric Model 20 teletype hooked up to an internet
connected computer running HeavyMetal 3. As it stands, we can pull in AP
feeds and email to be printed on the tty. We also have a device that acts as
a cell phone to receive cell calls and texts, which has an RS232 Serial port
for communication. The goal of this is for visiting kids and adults alike to
be able to send a text message to a special number, and have that message
print out to the teletype. The only stumbling point right now is getting
HeavyMetal to talk to the cell phone box through the serial report. Can
anyone offer insight? I will get more info on the box itself later on.

Thank you
Joe Giliberti


http://www.infoage.org

From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Thu Dec 30 17:52:02 2010
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:52:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
References: <B1D4A54C03244F758EC7307731FE4919@Optiplex170>
Message-ID: <EEE8EDE07B024A1C8D90238690E354A9@NewComputer>

Gentlemen:

I am curious.   And also relieved to find that there are still people around 
who remember Irv Hoff and know what an ST-5 or 6 is!   I thought we'd all 
died!   But from whence do you get the toroids?   In "my day" I ordered them 
from Elliott Buchanan but I don't recall anyone saying he was "still in 
business."

73

Lee   K9WRU

P.S.   Even more relieved to find someone referring to an "T.U." rather than 
a "converter."  And, yes, I do have a fox box and a "real" tuning fork.
L.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.


> Yes.  I have manuals from HAL for both the TU and the AS board.  If you 
> need
> copies, let me know
>
> Ron Boltz
> K3TZJ
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From larryradio at att.net  Thu Dec 30 18:09:17 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:09:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
References: <B1D4A54C03244F758EC7307731FE4919@Optiplex170>
	<EEE8EDE07B024A1C8D90238690E354A9@NewComputer>
Message-ID: <47FD2FE45C994A55BF5013352448C29F@d2400>

I have some torroids if they're needed.

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3 at centurytel.net>
To: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.


> Gentlemen:
>
> I am curious.   And also relieved to find that there are still people 
> around
> who remember Irv Hoff and know what an ST-5 or 6 is!   I thought we'd all
> died!   But from whence do you get the toroids?   In "my day" I ordered 
> them
> from Elliott Buchanan but I don't recall anyone saying he was "still in
> business."
>
> 73
>
> Lee   K9WRU
>
> P.S.   Even more relieved to find someone referring to an "T.U." rather 
> than
> a "converter."  And, yes, I do have a fox box and a "real" tuning fork.
> L.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:02 PM
> Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
>
>
>> Yes.  I have manuals from HAL for both the TU and the AS board.  If you
>> need
>> copies, let me know
>>
>> Ron Boltz
>> K3TZJ
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Thu Dec 30 20:11:23 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:11:23 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
In-Reply-To: <47FD2FE45C994A55BF5013352448C29F@d2400>
References: <B1D4A54C03244F758EC7307731FE4919@Optiplex170>
	<EEE8EDE07B024A1C8D90238690E354A9@NewComputer>
	<47FD2FE45C994A55BF5013352448C29F@d2400>
Message-ID: <p06240862c942dcfea22a@[10.0.1.2]>

I have a limited number of toroids if Larry runs out.  Also have an 
ST-6 and ST-5000.  Might have the boards for an ST-5 if I scrounge 
around.  Talk about nostalgia.  Wish I hadn't gotten rid of my SRT-15 
transmitter.  I had a 10 turn pot on that and could dial up any shift 
you wanted.

David K0LUM

At 6:09 PM -0500 12/30/10, Larry Tighe wrote:
>I have some torroids if they're needed.
>
>lar
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3 at centurytel.net>
>To: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
>
>
>>  Gentlemen:
>>
>>  I am curious.   And also relieved to find that there are still people
>>  around
>>  who remember Irv Hoff and know what an ST-5 or 6 is!   I thought we'd all
>>  died!   But from whence do you get the toroids?   In "my day" I ordered
>>  them
>>  from Elliott Buchanan but I don't recall anyone saying he was "still in
>>  business."
>>
>>  73
>>
>>  Lee   K9WRU
>>
>>  P.S.   Even more relieved to find someone referring to an "T.U." rather
>>  than
>>  a "converter."  And, yes, I do have a fox box and a "real" tuning fork.
>>  L.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Ron Boltz" <ecom1 at mhsdesign.com>
>>  To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>  Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:02 PM
>>  Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-5A T.U.
>>
>>
>>>  Yes.  I have manuals from HAL for both the TU and the AS board.  If you
>>>  need
>>>  copies, let me know
>>>
>>>  Ron Boltz
>>>  K3TZJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From al at ar88.net  Thu Dec 30 22:06:16 2010
From: al at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:06:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] text messaging to a model 20 teletype
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX9gWTa9ukRdG2A_4s42HpSmPy+GhvDoegC7FG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimX9gWTa9ukRdG2A_4s42HpSmPy+GhvDoegC7FG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D1D48A8.5010901@ar88.net>

Actually. the TTY is a Model 19 (5-bit baudot).  Joe stated the need 
accurately.

Al - N3FRQ

On 12/30/2010 5:33 PM, Joe Giliberti wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> My name is Joe Giliberti. I work/volunteer at the not-for-profit InfoAge
> Science&  History Learning Center and Museum, located in Wall Township, NJ,
> which is located on the site of a former Marconi Transatlantic Receiving
> Station as well as the US Army Camp Evans Signal Laboratories. Due to those
> associations, we try to have some exhibits related to our heritage.
> We are working on an exhibit dedicated to World War II communications. We
> currently have a Western Electric Model 20 teletype hooked up to an internet
> connected computer running HeavyMetal 3. As it stands, we can pull in AP
> feeds and email to be printed on the tty. We also have a device that acts as
> a cell phone to receive cell calls and texts, which has an RS232 Serial port
> for communication. The goal of this is for visiting kids and adults alike to
> be able to send a text message to a special number, and have that message
> print out to the teletype. The only stumbling point right now is getting
> HeavyMetal to talk to the cell phone box through the serial report. Can
> anyone offer insight? I will get more info on the box itself later on.
>
> Thank you
> Joe Giliberti
>
>
> http://www.infoage.org
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From chrise at pobox.com  Fri Dec 31 06:59:29 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:59:29 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] 8 level paper tape labels
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=pjdihRDpG3pLbZ6TwnFZGm-O4RORnKZ=MW55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=dNhDPRrNS2X6DtUuDwqzjLZbJ8_FF3oU4dJNr@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D1CDDFB.5060601@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTimP3cPs9dS2poSr_kq0sxyGYm8zmj9Fvi_5Z7oS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin=pjdihRDpG3pLbZ6TwnFZGm-O4RORnKZ=MW55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101231115929.GB7739@n0jcf.net>

There's also this,

http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/software/verbum/

Chris N0JCF

On Thursday (12/30/2010 at 11:54AM -0800), Pete Lancashire wrote:
> The complete spec sheet
> 
> https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B86wM5n5RE3kMTNjNmRmYTYtOTY2ZC00ODY2LWFmYWEtY2MzNDQxOTg1YTNh&hl=en
> 
> and check out what you need to do to get a custom made ..
> 
> -pete
> 
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Pete Lancashire
> <pete at petelancashire.com> wrote:
> > fond memories .. Was lucky had a P/ROM reader. I read the pattern out
> > of a Signetics ?ROM masked
> > as a character generator.
> >
> > Here you go ...
> >
> > http://amigan.yatho.com/2513.pdf
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net> wrote:
> >> Decades ago I had written a program in BASIC for the school timesharing
> >> terminal (an ASR-33) which turned text to letters on tape.
> >>
> >> The school confiscated the program, the tapes I made, and banned me for
> >> the rest of the year from using the computer, because of the POTENTIAL
> >> of using such a thing for foul language!
> >>
> >> It's not hard to figure out the sequences. ?I based mine on the 5x7 dot
> >> matrix printer fonts which had just came out.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/30/2010 2:24 PM, Marc Francisco wrote:
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I have a model 35ASR. One of the old tapes that I have has human readable
> >>> text punched in the tape as a label. It has several different letters and
> >>> numbers, but not all of them.
> >>>
> >>> I see that the newest version of Heavy Metal (3.x) has the ability to create
> >>> these tape labels, but they are designed for 5-level tapes, not the 8 bits
> >>> that the 35 uses.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have the full set of characters used on these tape labels?
> >>>
> >>> -Marc
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> GreenKeys mailing list
> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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Chris Elmquist


From nagle at animats.com  Fri Dec 31 12:53:30 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:53:30 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 47
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31535.1293796779.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.31535.1293796779.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4D1E189A.3030701@animats.com>

On 12/31/2010 3:59 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> On 12/30/2010 5:33 PM, Joe Giliberti wrote:
>> >  Hello Everyone,
>> >
>> >  My name is Joe Giliberti. I work/volunteer at the not-for-profit InfoAge
>> >  Science&   History Learning Center and Museum, located in Wall Township, NJ,
>> >  which is located on the site of a former Marconi Transatlantic Receiving
>> >  Station as well as the US Army Camp Evans Signal Laboratories. Due to those
>> >  associations, we try to have some exhibits related to our heritage.
>> >  We are working on an exhibit dedicated to World War II communications. We
>> >  currently have a Western Electric Model 20 teletype hooked up to an internet
>> >  connected computer running HeavyMetal 3. As it stands, we can pull in AP
>> >  feeds and email to be printed on the tty. We also have a device that acts as
>> >  a cell phone to receive cell calls and texts, which has an RS232 Serial port
>> >  for communication. The goal of this is for visiting kids and adults alike to
>> >  be able to send a text message to a special number, and have that message
>> >  print out to the teletype. The only stumbling point right now is getting
>> >  HeavyMetal to talk to the cell phone box through the serial report. Can
>> >  anyone offer insight? I will get more info on the box itself later on.
>> >
>> >  Thank you
>> >  Joe Giliberti

     I've been pulling in SMS messages and printing them on
a Model 15 with BaudotRSS:

	http://sourceforge.net/projects/baudotrss/

This receives SMS messages using Google Voice, over an Internet
connection.   It also follows any desired list of
RSS feeds.  The Reuters feed is the most useful; its stories
are complete sentences.

A later version also supports Twilio, a real SMS gateway,
but that costs $0.02 per received message and requires
additional support on a hosting server.  I haven't
uploaded that version yet.

     What device are you using to receive SMS messages?
A phone?  A pager?

				John Nagle

					

From wa2hwj at att.net  Fri Dec 31 13:13:07 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:13:07 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Needed
Message-ID: <002c01cba916$607a17e0$216e47a0$@net>

ZCZC

 

My Model 26, which I obtained when I was 13 years old (50 years ago),

has lost its "Q" keytop. Does anyone have a spare? I would prefer the

darker green versus the olive-drab color. I have others to trade...

 

Thanks, and Happy New Years to all of my GREENKEYS friends!

 

73,

Jack K0TTY

 

 

 

 


From epvgk at limpoc.com  Fri Dec 31 13:44:35 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 83, Issue 47
In-Reply-To: <4D1E189A.3030701@animats.com>
References: <mailman.31535.1293796779.8032.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4D1E189A.3030701@animats.com>
Message-ID: <20101231184435.GA2866@limpoc.com>

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 09:53:30AM -0800, John Nagle wrote:
>      What device are you using to receive SMS messages?
> A phone?  A pager?
> 
> 				John Nagle


I've been doing this using a crappy old Telit GSM modem module and an ARM
LPC dev board. I was pleased and amused to discover you can still set the 
serial interface on those to run at 45.45 baud, 5 bits in hardware, without
even having to bitbang.  Google Voice is more convenient though since it 
just sends you an email, and I've already set up an email -> teletype gateway. 


eric

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Fri Dec 31 15:09:29 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:09:29 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Straight Key Night
Message-ID: <4D1E3879.9090103@suddenlink.net>

Y'all do remember how to send code without a computer right?

Good luck and happy hunting.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From epvgk at limpoc.com  Fri Dec 31 19:40:30 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:40:30 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello and Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
In-Reply-To: <4D1D02F4.4070607@blcain.com>
References: <5B0DCE9463D6495EA7555AF42546B078@radiodadPC>
	<20101230183725.GA6447@limpoc.com> <4D1D02F4.4070607@blcain.com>
Message-ID: <20110101004030.GA19172@limpoc.com>


Hi folks - 

A bunch of people have expressed interest in the FSK demodulator I made, one
of which I gave to Paul Cembura. It's just a straightforward application of 
the NJM2211 AFSK decoder chip pretty much right out of the datasheet, with an 
optical current loop interface tacked on. 

Basically you give it power and an audio signal (ie from a computer playing 
ITTY) and it keys a current loop circuit with the decoded data stream,
suitable for directly driving an actual teletype machine. It does not include
a loop power supply, as it's basically just an optical relay that opens and
closes. It's also receive-only - it doesn't modulate. You can adjust the
center frequency somewhat, and select wide or narrow shift. 

Paul and I have been using them for a while and it works fine for decoding 
ITTY and various stuff I've found on the Ham bands, but is by no means a 
sophisticated device. It does have the advantages of being tiny (2 by 2.5 
inch board), cheap (<$20 in parts), and easy to assemble (30 components total). 

I'm including the schematic in PDF format, and the eagle files are at:
http://xymoc.com/~eric/rttydemod/
If anyone wants gerbers or some other format, let me know. 

I'm thinking of having a run of about 20 of the bare board manufactured, 
which would run about $5 each at cost - if more than one or two people want 
one I'll do this just to make it easy. I can also include with it a parts list 
with Digikey part numbers so it's easy to order everything. Unfortunately I 
am so busy with work these days I'm not going to realistically have time to 
do preassembled ones. 

Anyway, I feel sort of silly putting this out there since it's a bit sloppy
and not anything at all innovative, but i'm happy to contribute if people
want it... 

eric

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 02:08:52PM -0800, Bill wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/30/2010 10:37 AM, epvgk at limpoc.com wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:23:02AM -0800, Greg Farrell wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I am brand new to RTTY hardware and this group, first posting. Had a problem with my email address since I send from my native account, not k6sro at arrl.net and got a  message back I was not on the member list, but I am. Changed my email address to gregf at pon.net so hope this works.
> >>
> >>
> >>Picked up a model 15 from Paul http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm yesterday.
> >>
> >>Thank you Paul.
> >>
> >>He demonstrated that machine with a little interface box from his laptop running ITTY.
> >>
> >>Where can I get this box or does anyone have a schematic/parts list for one?  It had an email address on it something like eric at linpoc.com but that doesn't work.
> >>
> >>TNX in advance.
> >>
> >>
> >>Greg
> >>K6SRO
> 
>     I would be very interested in this also.
> Thanks
> Bill Cain
> >hi, that's me :)
> >i can give you schematics and parts lists for that little box if you like, and if you have
> >patience could etch you a bare pc board for it. you'd be on your own assembling it but it's
> >a very simple circuit.
> >
> >eric at limpoc.com
> >
> >
> >>-.- -.... ... .-. ---
> >>______________________________________________________________
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From densmore at kaponline.com  Fri Dec 31 20:05:49 2010
From: densmore at kaponline.com (Keith Densmore)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:05:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Selectric I/O
Message-ID: <78D16BBE25174C3ABFCBBC3664E4ED7B@keitha8b21f77c>

Power to the Green in 2011,

I came across an interesting old advertisement on Ebay for   a IBM Selectric 
Terminal. This unit was put together by a company called Data-Trans and was 
a 300 baud printing terminal.
The ad is here
190361445421

Any list members have, use,  or even know of the existence of any of these 
old terminals? I know IBM had several versions of Selectric Teminals over 
the years but most used non standard codes. But it might be possible to do a 
data conversion with some modern electronics.  It would be cool to see one 
running with HeavyMetal. Just trying to dream up more weird projects for the 
new year.

73,
Keith ve3ts 


 
 
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From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Dec 31 22:21:15 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:21:15 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Kantronics The Interface RTTY-CW-uP Terminal Unit.
References: <884BC145-D483-418E-8F9E-4D5FF20047D9@dls.net>
Message-ID: <FCD03704-C087-4BBA-866F-8D6EEDE8C6F9@dls.net>


Does any one have a user manual for this unit..?

Kantronics The Interface RTTY-CW-uP

If so I would like to obtain a copy.

Thank you for your time.

Don - K9TTY


From etgreeley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 31 23:12:57 2010
From: etgreeley at earthlink.net (Edward Greeley)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:12:57 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Selectric I/O
In-Reply-To: <78D16BBE25174C3ABFCBBC3664E4ED7B@keitha8b21f77c>
References: <78D16BBE25174C3ABFCBBC3664E4ED7B@keitha8b21f77c>
Message-ID: <4D1EA9C9.70608@earthlink.net>

Hi Keith,

Happy New Year and all that...

Yep, I remember the Selectric-based terminals. I was a member of a 
computer club in Rome, NY in the early to mid '80s and ran afoul of 
those things. Seems that a club member had found a source of the things 
at a surplus/salvage place in Phila., PA and sicced a bunch of us onto 
them. I think there were a couple dozen or more of the machines living 
with club members. Problem was - they were EBCDIC coded jobs. Don't 
remember the brand. What to do with them?

Well, at the time, I was the editor of the club newsletter and since I 
was constantly preaching to the members that I needed SOMETHING to put 
in the thing, someone said "somebody" ought to write up a conversion for 
the Selectrics. I was elected. I had found an article in a previous 
KB/Microcomputing or Byte mag that I used for the basis of "our" 
conversion. IIRC, the reference article had a source for the necessary 
electronics interface, but had nothing about how to un-EBCDIC the 
things. Had to buy (not cheap!) the IBM maint. and parts manuals for the 
basic Selectric then figure out how to change them back to "normal 
correspondence" configuration. Turned out that no major parts were 
required, but a rather major disassembly of the code bars for the 
selector mechanism that positions the ball for each character WAS 
required. What a PITA! We also had to acquire type balls to replace the 
EBCDIC ones. That was not cheap either. Sorta amazing how similar the 
Selectric selector mechanism was to TTY selectors.

End result was that we wound up with a group of 
converted-deconverted-reconverted Selectrics that could be used as 
conventional off-line typewriters and as on-line ASCII computer 
terminals. I think a cheap dot matrix printer could be had for a bit 
less money, but a Diablo Hy-Type or A-J (also a Selectric conversion, 
IIRC) letter-quality machine was a LOT more money.

Ironic that you should ask about this as it's just been in the last two 
or three months that I finally threw away my record copies of the club 
newsletters after all these years. My conversion article was in there. 
Never fails: Dump something, THEN you want it again. I may still have it 
on a CP/M - Wordstar floppy, but have nothing to read CP/M disks any more...

Ed Greeley


Keith Densmore wrote:
> Power to the Green in 2011,
> 
> I came across an interesting old advertisement on Ebay for   a IBM Selectric 
> Terminal. This unit was put together by a company called Data-Trans and was 
> a 300 baud printing terminal.
> The ad is here
> 190361445421
> 
> Any list members have, use,  or even know of the existence of any of these 
> old terminals? I know IBM had several versions of Selectric Teminals over 
> the years but most used non standard codes. But it might be possible to do a 
> data conversion with some modern electronics.  It would be cool to see one 
> running with HeavyMetal. Just trying to dream up more weird projects for the 
> new year.
> 
> 73,
> Keith ve3ts 
>

From gregf at pon.net  Thu Dec 30 01:04:01 2010
From: gregf at pon.net (Greg Farrell)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:04:01 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Where to find PC to RTTY  Interface?
Message-ID: <00EBCA377897481BA1550EE721B1B255@radiodadPC>

Picked up a model 15 today from Paul http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm

He demonstrated that machine with a little interface from his laptop running ITTY. Where can I get this or does anyone have a schematic/parts list for one?  It had an email address on it something like eric at linpoc.com but that doesn't work.

TNX in advance.


Greg
K6SRO
-.- -.... ... .-. ---

From dolomiller at bresnan.net  Fri Dec 31 15:42:00 2010
From: dolomiller at bresnan.net (d m)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:42:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Straight Key Night
In-Reply-To: <4D1E3879.9090103@suddenlink.net>
References: <4D1E3879.9090103@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <web-26460705@be-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>

Jeff,
I'll be on from Wyoming. Happy New Year!
Don
K7TFW


On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:09:29 -0600
  Jeffrey Angus <jangus at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Y'all do remember how to send code without a computer right?
> 
> Good luck and happy hunting.
> 
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
> 
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