From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Tue Jun  1 03:21:46 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 02:21:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] humor in uniform
References: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03e701cb015b$1cdba700$6401a8c0@inet>

Or more creative :)>  Been there and I hope the statute of limitations has run
out.

Ron
K0IDT
ATR3 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick England" <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: "Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] humor in uniform


> in some mail from a Navy RM talking about practical jokes..
> " .... or turn all the M28 type pallets 'upside down' and convince the
> CommOfficer that the 'other end has their tape in upside down'.  There
> is nothing more dangerous than a bored sailor on a midwatch."
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From al.e.murray at uwrf.edu  Tue Jun  1 06:50:07 2010
From: al.e.murray at uwrf.edu (Al Murray)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:50:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] humor in uniform
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C04E5DF.6010602@uwrf.edu>

Oh yeah!!! work well on reserve officers.

Nick England wrote:
> in some mail from a Navy RM talking about practical jokes..
> " .... or turn all the M28 type pallets 'upside down' and convince the
> CommOfficer that the 'other end has their tape in upside down'.  There
> is nothing more dangerous than a bored sailor on a midwatch."
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From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun  1 13:07:26 2010
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (David Bonamo)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:07:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR
In-Reply-To: <529F66E7501E48CF83D0191399AA4DA2@udvikling>
Message-ID: <142113.21120.qm@web180407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Not sure if this has been posted, but if anyone is looking for a Model 35 KSR there is on for Free in Long Island New York area, if this was an ASR I would have driven up myself...




http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/zip/1759850438.html



From pete at petelancashire.com  Tue Jun  1 13:53:45 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:53:45 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR
In-Reply-To: <142113.21120.qm@web180407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <529F66E7501E48CF83D0191399AA4DA2@udvikling>
	<142113.21120.qm@web180407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcsOg21mSakJhHtcekV3z3TsHMTbW53XCSvqFS@mail.gmail.com>

Looks in great shape, hope someone rescues it !!!!

Sadly I'm about 3,000 miles to the West

-pete

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:07 AM, David Bonamo <bonamod at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Not sure if this has been posted, but if anyone is looking for a Model 35 KSR there is on for Free in Long Island New York area, if this was an ASR I would have driven up myself...
>
>
>
>
> http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/zip/1759850438.html
>
>
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From dmm at lemur.com  Tue Jun  1 16:37:28 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:37:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypesetter Perforator Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <201006012032.AAQ98054@rg7.cniteam.com>


This is mostly for Dave Hunter and his Teletypesetter Perforator, 
but there's no reason not to circulate it more generally.
It's a Wiring Diagram (WD-1446) for Teletypesetter Perforator
Models TPE 200 to 204.  It just arrived today, with a few other
TTS docs.  Hope it's of use.

http://www.lemur.com/temp/tts-wd-1446-rev-k.jpg

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From j.backus at jita.demon.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 17:36:48 2010
From: j.backus at jita.demon.co.uk (Jim Backus)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:36:48 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paper and Tape
In-Reply-To: <221339.23272.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <221339.23272.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C057D70.7050301@jita.demon.co.uk>

Hi John,

There is a UK supplier of telex rolls who advertise on the UK ebay site. 
I bought a pack of 6 rolls for about GBP 36 a few weeks ago. They also 
sell in boxes of 12 for about GBP 125.

HTH

Jim,
G4PFJ & long time BARTG member

John Thrower wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>  
> I live in Spain and I am finding it VERY difficult to find single ply paper and five level  tape. 
> I am forced to purchase it on ebay and ship it over. This is prohibitively expensive and time consuming
> .
> I have a couple of ASR 28s in rebuild, a Siemens T37 and am expecting a T100Z in a few days.
>  
> Does anyone know a source in Europe?
>  
> Tks
>  
> John
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From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Tue Jun  1 17:40:11 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:40:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikcsOg21mSakJhHtcekV3z3TsHMTbW53XCSvqFS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <529F66E7501E48CF83D0191399AA4DA2@udvikling>	<142113.21120.qm@web180407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikcsOg21mSakJhHtcekV3z3TsHMTbW53XCSvqFS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C057E3B.3090603@eskimo.com>

GE OMs;

I left the guy v-mail.

If he still has the machine I'll see if my brother can rescue
it and hold it until next year when I drive to NY.

He works for an airline, in the cargo dept. Maybe he can ship
it to me for "a reasonable cost"  :-)

It would be rather ironic if I got a machine from a place so
far away and for freebees, too!

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Pete Lancashire wrote:
> Looks in great shape, hope someone rescues it !!!!
> 
> Sadly I'm about 3,000 miles to the West
> 
> -pete

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | There is nothing that would tear my heart
                  | apart more than to look at my dog, whose
                  | heart harbors nothing but pure love, and
                  | have him cower before me.
                  |                          - Tony J. Podrasky

From uax13 at ukonline.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 17:43:32 2010
From: uax13 at ukonline.co.uk (Martin)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:43:32 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paper and Tape
Message-ID: <4C057F04.5050701@ukonline.co.uk>

Also available from Amazon.co.uk, about 40 pounds for 6.

Martin

Jim Backus wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> There is a UK supplier of telex rolls who advertise on the UK ebay site. 
> I bought a pack of 6 rolls for about GBP 36 a few weeks ago. They also 
> sell in boxes of 12 for about GBP 125.
>
> HTH
>
> Jim,
> G4PFJ & long time BARTG member
>
> John Thrower wrote:
>   
>> Hi Folks,
>>  
>> I live in Spain and I am finding it VERY difficult to find single ply paper and five level  tape. 
>> I am forced to purchase it on ebay and ship it over. This is prohibitively expensive and time consuming
>> .
>> I have a couple of ASR 28s in rebuild, a Siemens T37 and am expecting a T100Z in a few days.
>>  
>> Does anyone know a source in Europe?
>>  
>> Tks
>>  
>> John
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From boatanchor at martasystems.com  Tue Jun  1 18:22:50 2010
From: boatanchor at martasystems.com (boatanchor at martasystems.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:22:50 -0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR
In-Reply-To: <4C057E3B.3090603@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANGEIPLEAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>

Hope it works out, you need that m35... in the old days, you could just pack
it in boxes and hand a couple of twenties to the skycaps. That worked for me
once on United out of Denver with a model 19 (w/o table!).

john wb6azp




-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of
hunybuny at eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 21:40
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR


GE OMs;

I left the guy v-mail.

If he still has the machine I'll see if my brother can rescue
it and hold it until next year when I drive to NY.

He works for an airline, in the cargo dept. Maybe he can ship
it to me for "a reasonable cost"  :-)

It would be rather ironic if I got a machine from a place so
far away and for freebees, too!

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Pete Lancashire wrote:
> Looks in great shape, hope someone rescues it !!!!
>
> Sadly I'm about 3,000 miles to the West
>
> -pete

--
Tony J. Podrasky | There is nothing that would tear my heart
                  | apart more than to look at my dog, whose
                  | heart harbors nothing but pure love, and
                  | have him cower before me.
                  |                          - Tony J. Podrasky
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From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Tue Jun  1 18:44:52 2010
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:44:52 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR
References: <PJEIJMACDLDGMJEOEFANGEIPLEAA.boatanchor@martasystems.com>
Message-ID: <13B29971A5DF4A4297397EC23A989CA6@NewComputer>

And ten years ago I could fly roundtrip from Wisconsin To New Jersey for 
$150 and did it twice a week for two years.   And I had a meal with cloth 
napkins and free wine.   That was my generation.   Now you have to deal with 
yours!  And wait until you see what the next one does to us!   You is simply 
reaping what you has sown.  I recently showed a young fellow what a teletype 
machine was.   And I actually let him sit at a Model 28 KSR and type. 
Later I heard him tell people on a net that he had visited an unbelievable 
shack full of boat anchors!   And me, a user of Flex-Radio models 3000 and 
5000A along with SDR-IQ and separate computers for each radio!  Depiction, 
N4PY what the heck?  I'm getting out of the Elmering business!

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <boatanchor at martasystems.com>
To: "Greenkeys at Mailman. Qth. Net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR


> Hope it works out, you need that m35... in the old days, you could just 
> pack
> it in boxes and hand a couple of twenties to the skycaps. That worked for 
> me
> once on United out of Denver with a model 19 (w/o table!).
>
> john wb6azp
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of
> hunybuny at eskimo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 21:40
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] FREE Model 35 KSR
>
>
> GE OMs;
>
> I left the guy v-mail.
>
> If he still has the machine I'll see if my brother can rescue
> it and hold it until next year when I drive to NY.
>
> He works for an airline, in the cargo dept. Maybe he can ship
> it to me for "a reasonable cost"  :-)
>
> It would be rather ironic if I got a machine from a place so
> far away and for freebees, too!
>
> UE,
> W6ESE - tony
> NNNNZCZC
>
> Pete Lancashire wrote:
>> Looks in great shape, hope someone rescues it !!!!
>>
>> Sadly I'm about 3,000 miles to the West
>>
>> -pete
>
> --
> Tony J. Podrasky | There is nothing that would tear my heart
>                  | apart more than to look at my dog, whose
>                  | heart harbors nothing but pure love, and
>                  | have him cower before me.
>                  |                          - Tony J. Podrasky
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From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Thu Jun  3 15:12:53 2010
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:12:53 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] today in history
Message-ID: <AANLkTilbRamYzpApFJjUGetD9E64K27pIzFYgIJ2uI3I@mail.gmail.com>

June 3, 1944: A young employee in the London Associated Press bureau
punched out a practice strip of teletype tape labeled as a "flash,"
the most urgent type message used by the wire service, on what she
thought was a disconnected machine, to report that Allies had landed
in France.

The AP sent a message to "bust that flash" less than two minutes
later, but radio stations had already broadcast the "flash" about the
landing.

The invasion, now known as D-Day, occurred three days later.

From trnsrme at bellaliant.net  Thu Jun  3 22:30:24 2010
From: trnsrme at bellaliant.net (Ken L. Gartland)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:30:24 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
Message-ID: <001401cb038e$04735de0$1d68b18e@s1n3r3>

Hi all...

My hats off tonite to Dave Hunter, for pointing me in the
rite direction regarding the Evapo-rust product...

It is truly a miracle rust remover...I have been soaking
three M14 type punch blocks in oil for over a month in the
hope of freeing up the pins which were rust frozen into
the punch block body...I had gvn up hope they cud ever
be saved...

I followed Dave's advice, used the product as directed,
and after as little as four hours in the solution, rust gone,
and I was able to manually push all the pins thru the 
punch block body rite thru into the upper die-plate, and they
retracted agn under their own spring tension...The blocks
also came out as shiny as a new dime...

It is so great to try a product like this that actually works.

My next project is to clean up a lot of  M14 and 15 steel
pinions that are so rusted one can't. read the part nbrs on them...

Try this product guys, it works...

Tks.

Ken VE3-HMQ

From paulpenn at knology.net  Thu Jun  3 20:41:16 2010
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:41:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
References: <001401cb038e$04735de0$1d68b18e@s1n3r3>
Message-ID: <125D471D9A9F49D9BE08FCF0C34AB0B3@T42PAUL>

Could someone post a price for Evapo-rust and where they bought it?

    Paul Pennington
    Augusta, Georgia


From ddillman at igc.org  Thu Jun  3 21:05:42 2010
From: ddillman at igc.org (Richard Dillman)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:05:42 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
Message-ID: <20869548.1275613542527.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


>Could someone post a price for Evapo-rust and where they bought it?

If you haven't already found this link, click here:

http://www.evapo-rust.com/wheretobuyit/

RD

=================================
Richard Dillman
Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
Maritime Radio Historical Society
http://www.radiomarine.org
=================================

From keelan at mail.grenander.com  Fri Jun  4 01:06:36 2010
From: keelan at mail.grenander.com (Keelan Lightfoot)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:06:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
In-Reply-To: <125D471D9A9F49D9BE08FCF0C34AB0B3@T42PAUL>
References: <001401cb038e$04735de0$1d68b18e@s1n3r3>
	<125D471D9A9F49D9BE08FCF0C34AB0B3@T42PAUL>
Message-ID: <09058C9D-D953-4126-8EBC-9FF02B830EFA@mail.grenander.com>

$9.95 CAD for a litre, Canadian Tire. You have those in Georgia, right?

- Keelan

On 2010-06-03, at 5:41 PM, Paul A. Pennington wrote:

> Could someone post a price for Evapo-rust and where they bought it?
> 
>    Paul Pennington
>    Augusta, Georgia
> 
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From paulpenn at knology.net  Fri Jun  4 12:58:34 2010
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:58:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
References: <20869548.1275613542527.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DD5BD538CA344FA6868BD779B6CB89EF@T42PAUL>

Richard;

Thanks for the link.  The only one I could find went to an industrial 
vendor.

The answer seems to be:  any auto parts store, or Harbor Freight Tools, 
where it costs $20 for a gallon.

Paul Pennington
Augusta, Georgia


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Dillman" <ddillman at igc.org>
To: "Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...


>
>>Could someone post a price for Evapo-rust and where they bought it?
>
> If you haven't already found this link, click here:
>
> http://www.evapo-rust.com/wheretobuyit/
>
> RD
>
> =================================
> Richard Dillman
> Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
> Maritime Radio Historical Society
> http://www.radiomarine.org
> ================================= 


From WA5CAB at cs.com  Fri Jun  4 13:05:16 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:05:16 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
Message-ID: <28ba3.4256cf2e.393a8c4c@cs.com>

Paul,

When I went to the URL given, I found two buttons, one Commercial and one 
Retail (i.e., consumer).  When I clicked the Retail one and entered my ZIP 
code, it brought up all O'Reilly and Autozone stores within several miles.

In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:58:43 AM Central Daylight Time, 
paulpenn at knology.net writes: 
> Richard;
> 
> Thanks for the link.  The only one I could find went to an industrial 
> vendor.
> 
> The answer seems to be:  any auto parts store, or Harbor Freight Tools, 
> where it costs $20 for a gallon.
> 
> Paul Pennington
> Augusta, Georgia
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From larryradio at att.net  Fri Jun  4 14:56:57 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (larryradio at att.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:56:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
References: <28ba3.4256cf2e.393a8c4c@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8C7461F1C9064F5298F0ADE3585BF78E@dell3000>

I did the retail...Harbor Freight....called, "yes we have it".  Drove 20 
miles one way....never heard of it!!!

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WA5CAB at cs.com>
To: <paulpenn at knology.net>; <greenkeys at qth.net>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...


> Paul,
>
> When I went to the URL given, I found two buttons, one Commercial and one
> Retail (i.e., consumer).  When I clicked the Retail one and entered my ZIP
> code, it brought up all O'Reilly and Autozone stores within several miles.
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:58:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
> paulpenn at knology.net writes:
>> Richard;
>>
>> Thanks for the link.  The only one I could find went to an industrial
>> vendor.
>>
>> The answer seems to be:  any auto parts store, or Harbor Freight Tools,
>> where it costs $20 for a gallon.
>>
>> Paul Pennington
>> Augusta, Georgia
>>
>
> Robert Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
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From wb6blv at inreach.com  Sat Jun  5 11:29:42 2010
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV (DM06))
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:29:42 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Evapo-rust does it agn...
Message-ID: <01c801cb04c3$ebd17e20$4401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

alll the Auto Zone (R) franchises within 150 miles of 93257 carry it

From wb6blv at inreach.com  Sat Jun  5 17:31:03 2010
From: wb6blv at inreach.com (WB6BLV (DM06))
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:31:03 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?
Message-ID: <001001cb04f6$669ca940$4401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

This thing followed me home from the swap meet this morning... kinda heavy sucker, too...

Various ID plates say:

KY-469UG
Keyer, Telegraph Transmitter
Manufactured For Department of The Navy
Great Northern Telegraph Works

and

G. N. T. Transmitter
Model 2042

and several other plates with Navy property number, etc...

There are 2 nice switches in brown plastic domes on the front and visible sets of contacts above them on the front of the unit... the motor in the rear drives a horizontal shart that goes through a "Speed Regulator" with adjustment range of 15 - 240 (yes) words per minute...  looks like it reads tape of some kind..

OK, what followed me home?  CW sender that reads prepared tape messages?

John

From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Sat Jun  5 18:48:26 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:48:26 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?
References: <001001cb04f6$669ca940$4401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <01f301cb0501$3b883700$6401a8c0@inet>

The KY designator is for a voice encryption device, at least as far as
I remember......they kept me away from stuff I didn't need to know :)>
Most likely something to put encrypted data traffic on a voice channel.

Ron
K0IDT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB6BLV (DM06)" <wb6blv at inreach.com>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:31 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?


> This thing followed me home from the swap meet this morning... kinda heavy sucker, too...
>
> Various ID plates say:
>
> KY-469UG
> Keyer, Telegraph Transmitter
> Manufactured For Department of The Navy
> Great Northern Telegraph Works
>
> and
>
> G. N. T. Transmitter
> Model 2042
>
> and several other plates with Navy property number, etc...
>
> There are 2 nice switches in brown plastic domes on the front and visible sets of contacts above them on the front of the unit...
the motor in the rear drives a horizontal shart that goes through a "Speed Regulator" with adjustment range of 15 - 240 (yes) words
per minute...  looks like it reads tape of some kind..
>
> OK, what followed me home?  CW sender that reads prepared tape messages?
>
> John
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From WA5CAB at cs.com  Sat Jun  5 19:03:23 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:03:23 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?
Message-ID: <56e32.703a25cd.393c31bb@cs.com>

No, actually "KY" means Keyer, which can cover a multitude of sins.  Why 
they used KY in the nomenclature of some Voice Crypto units I don't know, 
unless it was dis-information.  But if so, they blew it as I think I recall that 
the full nomenclature of the KY-8 was KY-8/TSEC.  FWIW, KY-7/FRT is a tone 
keyer.

I'm sorry but I don't have KY-469/UG listed in my database,  If there is 
any clue in what's on any of the dataplates to the year it was made, if I have 
any reference pubs near that time I'll check the TOC's.

In a message dated 6/5/2010 5:48:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
rkolarik at neb.rr.com writes: 
> The KY designator is for a voice encryption device, at least as far as
> I remember......they kept me away from stuff I didn't need to know :)>
> Most likely something to put encrypted data traffic on a voice channel.
> 
> Ron
> K0IDT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB6BLV (DM06)" <wb6blv at inreach.com>
> To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:31 PM
> Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?
> 
> 
> >This thing followed me home from the swap meet this morning... kinda 
> heavy sucker, too...
> >
> >Various ID plates say:
> >
> >KY-469UG
> >Keyer, Telegraph Transmitter
> >Manufactured For Department of The Navy
> >Great Northern Telegraph Works
> >
> >and
> >
> >G. N. T. Transmitter
> >Model 2042
> >
> >and several other plates with Navy property number, etc...
> 

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jun  5 21:37:04 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:37:04 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?
Message-ID: <380-220106061373978@earthlink.net>

Sounds like a high-speed Morse keyer with those speeds (and weight),  but I
don't know that the Navy was using them late enough  to have a KY-xxx
descriptor.   How many rows of holes did the tape reader read?  If just two
rows, that would indicate Morse.

Check with the Maritime Radio Historical Society http://radiomarine.org/ 
they have high-speed Morse tape readers and may have pictures on their site.

have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


> [Original Message]
> From: WB6BLV \(DM06\) <wb6blv at inreach.com>
> To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 05-Jun-10 15:31:23
> Subject: [GreenKeys] What Is IT?
>
> This thing followed me home from the swap meet this morning... kinda
heavy sucker, too...
>
> Various ID plates say:
>
> KY-469UG
> Keyer, Telegraph Transmitter
> Manufactured For Department of The Navy
> Great Northern Telegraph Works
>
> and
>
> G. N. T. Transmitter
> Model 2042
>
> and several other plates with Navy property number, etc...
>
> There are 2 nice switches in brown plastic domes on the front and visible
sets of contacts above them on the front of the unit... the motor in the
rear drives a horizontal shart that goes through a "Speed Regulator" with
adjustment range of 15 - 240 (yes) words per minute...  looks like it reads
tape of some kind..
>
> OK, what followed me home?  CW sender that reads prepared tape messages?
>
> John
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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From charlesmorris800 at centurytel.net  Sat Jun  5 14:10:27 2010
From: charlesmorris800 at centurytel.net (Charles Morris)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:10:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 332709 Mag Driver
Message-ID: <ue4l06p55s9pc48qd8221omje9g2hndenv@4ax.com>

Somewhere during the repair of my three ASR-33's I acquired a
new-in-box Teletype "Mag Drvr" p/n 332709, made in 1973. It appears to
be a power supply for the selector magnet.

If interested please make me an offer... thanks. Shipping will be from
zip 65775.

-Charles

From salvage378 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 08:38:49 2010
From: salvage378 at aol.com (pete prychka)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ed57gg
Message-ID: <000001cb0575$382432c0$a86c9840$@com>

 


From salvage378 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 08:38:49 2010
From: salvage378 at aol.com (pete prychka)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] teletype paper
Message-ID: <001e01cb0575$3a30cba0$ae9262e0$@com>

I recently received 12 rolls of teletype paper I ordered from ADORABLE
SUPPLY CO.  Nice stuff. Cost  $58.25 plus $19.49 shipping to nj.   (HALF the
cost of the supplier listed on the greenkeys home page!!!).   Check it out.
Lets list this company on the list of teletype supplies, yes?  They have
many other items of interest too.

 

                 ADORABLE SUPPLY CO.

 

                

                 12White Pine Road,   Upper Saddle River  N.J. ,
07458-2222,      201-760-9771,   adorablesupply at optionline.net

.    

 

 

 

                             Pete P.     salvage378 at aol.com


From salvage378 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 08:38:49 2010
From: salvage378 at aol.com (pete prychka)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TS-2/TG  Signal corps teletype test unit
Message-ID: <000a01cb0575$38cfdc10$aa6f9430$@com>

I recently purchased a TS-2/TG test unit on e-bay. As expected , it came
with no paperwork as to its operation or repair. Perhaps if any member might
have some info on this unit , and be willing to help me out  , I would be
more than happy to cover his time, effort ,  copy costs etc to obtain same.
My telephone # is 609 625 3371 and E-mail is   salvage378 at aol.com    thanks
very much   Pete P.


From salvage378 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 08:38:49 2010
From: salvage378 at aol.com (pete prychka)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] greenkeys organization
Message-ID: <002301cb0575$3a999f90$afccdeb0$@com>

I am new to the greenkeys organization and I must say I am very impressed
with this gang. Over the years I have collected a dozen or so teletype
machines that I put away for future projects. My 4 year old grandson seemed
very interested in one of them and rekindled my interest too. I knew where
there were several military units and I traded some mercury vapor lights for
them from my personal junk empire. The poor kid has little understanding of
what he will inherit in a few years!! We decided to set up 2 units so that
we can communicate between his house and mine. I must say that this has been
a very interesting learning experience for both of us.         Pete prychka
-   salvage378 at aol.com   --609 625 3371



From salvage378 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 08:38:49 2010
From: salvage378 at aol.com (pete prychka)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:38:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ed57gg Brown fox Teletype test unit
Message-ID: <000501cb0575$387c64e0$a9752ea0$@com>

I recently purchased  the above tester on E-bay.  Of coarse it came with no
documentation or manual.  Do any of you teletype folks have anything on this
piece of equipment?   I would gladly compensate any one who could copy  a
manual for me for his time and expenses.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.    Thanks   Pete P.   My e-mail is salvage378 at aol.com       My
telephone#  609 625 3371


From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sun Jun  6 08:52:32 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:52:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] greenkeys organization
In-Reply-To: <002301cb0575$3a999f90$afccdeb0$@com>
References: <002301cb0575$3a999f90$afccdeb0$@com>
Message-ID: <4C0B9A10.6030005@suddenlink.net>

On 6/6/2010 7:38 AM, pete prychka wrote
> The poor kid has little understanding of what he will inherit
> in a few years!! We decided to set up 2 units so that we can
> communicate between his house and mine.
>    
I thought the routine with grandchildren was to load them up with 
caffeine and sugar
and send them back to their parents all wound up. But you sir, have 
established  a
new level of buzz I will have to strive to obtain. ;-)

Jeff-.10
wa6fwi

From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  6 21:10:32 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:10:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 78269 Spanner Wrench
Message-ID: <47C23F15D1D44E15B2FDA8A4B56293DC@sandel.local>

Good Evening

 

Anyone willing to part with said spanner wrench (or for that matter, any
other special tools)?

 

Lakers not looking too good.

 

Gerry

AD6MC


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  6 23:30:14 2010
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan M. Brown)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:30:14 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] TS-2/TG  Signal corps teletype test unit
Message-ID: <380-2201061733014380@earthlink.net>

Pete,

The TS-2 manual is TM 11-2208.  Try Googling it.  I got my copy from Fair
Radio.

I don't remember what all the cords are for, but one is the keyed output.
Check with an ohmmeter while the unit is running; then plug that one into
your TTY loop.  I think some of the settings are to add a fixed amount of
distortion and/or bias to the signal to see how your machine handles it.

I'm traveling and don't have access to the machine or manual at the
present, so thats about all I can tell you now.

have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ



> [Original Message]
> From: pete prychka <salvage378 at aol.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 06-Jun-10 06:44:18
> Subject: [GreenKeys] TS-2/TG  Signal corps teletype test unit
>
> I recently purchased a TS-2/TG test unit on e-bay. As expected , it came
> with no paperwork as to its operation or repair. Perhaps if any member
might
> have some info on this unit , and be willing to help me out  , I would be
> more than happy to cover his time, effort ,  copy costs etc to obtain
same.
> My telephone # is 609 625 3371 and E-mail is   salvage378 at aol.com   
thanks
> very much   Pete P.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>
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From steveripper at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 01:17:38 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:17:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron TBA-1000 Code Converter Documents
Message-ID: <000001cb06c9$ea8c0870$bfa41950$@net>

A  special thanks to Jack and Al who help he with obtaining the manual(s)
and drawings for the Dovetron TBA-1000 Code Converter. I have scanned the
manuals and drawings and uploaded them to www.4shared.com in case someone
else has a need for these documents. Here are the direct links for the items
I uploaded.

 

Dovetron TBA-1000 Code Converter Manual (14MB)

(for serial numbers 100 to 299)

http://www.4shared.com/document/Qmz4_PxB/Dovetron_TBA-1000_Code_Transla.html

 

Dovetron TBA-1000 Code Converter Manual (20MB)

(for serial numbers 300 and up) (also known as the Mark II version)

http://www.4shared.com/document/h7UmiUSD/Dovetron_TBA-1000_Code_Transla.html

 

Schematics, Component Layout, Parts List (3MB)

(for serial numbers 300 and up) (also known as the Mark II version)

(Note: Almost all of the circuits and components are the same for serial
numbers 100-299 and 300 and up)

http://www.4shared.com/document/MtJyaUVB/Dovetron_TBA-1000_Code_Convert.html

 

I am not happy with the resolution of the drawings, so I am going to scan
them again to see if I can improve the detail.

I will upload them again and post a note here once that is completed.

 

Cheers,

 

Steve Ripper

steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 


From larryradio at att.net  Tue Jun  8 13:46:51 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:46:51 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Modern Messaging
Message-ID: <44BDE6D943624D8C9F96A3EB57FF86D0@d2400>

I think this is ground to air stuff....modern tty

http://www.go-dove.com/event-14307?utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=14307&spMailingID=3052390&spUserID=MTQzOTE4NTYyNjAS1&spJobID=183106353&spReportId=MTgzMTA2MzUzS0

From steveripper at comcast.net  Tue Jun  8 19:36:49 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:36:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron TBA-1000 UART IM6402IPL
Message-ID: <000301cb0763$79b36db0$6d1a4910$@net>

FYI:

 

If your Dovetron TBA-1000 is in need of a UART (there are 2 in each
TBA-1000) they are currently available on ebay for $5 each. These are the
exact part (Intersil p/n IM6420IPL) that are in my unit. These are new old
stock and not pulls from surplus equipment. Auction number is: 180506097510.
If you need one or more you had better hurry as the auction ends in 23
hours. There are 95 pieces still available.

 

Here is the direct link: 

 

 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180506097510&ssPageName=
STRK:MEWAX:IT>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180506097510&ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWAX:IT

 

Cheers,

 

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 


From paulpenn at knology.net  Tue Jun  8 21:45:55 2010
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:45:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-rust does it agn...
References: <28ba3.4256cf2e.393a8c4c@cs.com>
	<8C7461F1C9064F5298F0ADE3585BF78E@dell3000>
Message-ID: <39610D605E0949F7A66BD024C318E1EB@T42PAUL>

I stopped by our local Harbor Freight Tools today.  I brought their 
Evapo-Rust part number (96431) from their web site, and asked them to look 
it up.  They had gallons in stock for $20 and quarts for for $6.39.  I 
picked up a quart to try.

Paul Pennington
Augusta, Georgia 


From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 07:14:44 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 07:14:44 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <c4a49.511b678b.3940d1a4@aol.com>

Hi Gang:

For those who enjoy  copying ITTY, it is now back on line.  
<http://65.243.191.51:8000/LISTEN.PLS>

To quote George:  "Da cat stepped on the connector at ITTY".

73,
Tom Tillson
All  things electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY  


From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 07:20:34 2010
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 07:20:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [Glowbugs] Teleprinter Printing Reperforator
	Sighting]
Message-ID: <1276082435.19642.1.camel@lancelot.workgroup>

Hi,

I'm forwarding this to the list as it is right on topic and was probably
misplaced in the other list.

73,

Bill  KU8H

From Til128 at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 08:55:24 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:55:24 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <302ad.594be6ac.3940e93c@aol.com>

For some reason, the earlier link does not work.  (Case sensitive?)
Here is one that  does.

Tom

http://65.243.191.51:8000/listen.pls  


From steveripper at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 23:00:01 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:00:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron TBA-1000 UART IM6402IPL (Relisted)
Message-ID: <000b01cb0912$3001d980$90058c80$@net>

FYI:

In case you missed the original auction listing for these UART's they have
been relisted.

 

Item No: 180518580737

 

 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180518580737&ssPageName=
STRK:MEWAX:VRI>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180518580737&ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWAX:VRI

 

Cheers,

 

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 

From: Steve Ripper [mailto:steveripper at comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:37 PM
To: 'GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net'
Subject: Dovetron TBA-1000 UART IM6402IPL

 

FYI:

 

If your Dovetron TBA-1000 is in need of a UART (there are 2 in each
TBA-1000) they are currently available on ebay for $5 each. These are the
exact part (Intersil p/n IM6420IPL) that are in my unit. These are new old
stock and not pulls from surplus equipment. Auction number is: 180506097510.
If you need one or more you had better hurry as the auction ends in 23
hours. There are 95 pieces still available.

 

Here is the direct link: 

 

 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180506097510&ssPageName=
STRK:MEWAX:IT>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180506097510&ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWAX:IT

 

Cheers,

 

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 


From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 11 12:16:46 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype available on Craigslist in
 Richland, Washington
Message-ID: <11640425.1276273007157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Greenkeyers:

There is a Model 35 ASR available on Craigslist in Richland, Washington.
The photo shows a nice looking private line version machine.  Check out
the ad at:
    http://kpr.craigslist.org/ele/1775892955.html

I talked to the owner this morning and he would like to find a good 
home for this machine.  He also has a pair of card punch machines (IBM 029?)
if anyone is interested in those.  

Jerry Murphy




From pete at petelancashire.com  Fri Jun 11 12:39:10 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:39:10 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype available on Craigslist in
	Richland, Washington
In-Reply-To: <11640425.1276273007157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <11640425.1276273007157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil8WxLcKmL7y9m4Q1zZ3-1It5_beHgGh8ryt4hd@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry it all your fault .. will pick it up this Sunday

printer is a pin feed.

what does it take to change to a friction feed. Been a LONG time since
I've been inside a 35

and it comes with what sounds like an IBM 026 and 029 to keep the
truck balanced ...

-pete

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM,  <gfmurphy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Greenkeyers:
>
> There is a Model 35 ASR available on Craigslist in Richland, Washington.
> The photo shows a nice looking private line version machine. ?Check out
> the ad at:
> ? ?http://kpr.craigslist.org/ele/1775892955.html
>
> I talked to the owner this morning and he would like to find a good
> home for this machine. ?He also has a pair of card punch machines (IBM 029?)
> if anyone is interested in those.
>
> Jerry Murphy
>
>
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 11 13:27:52 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:27:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype available on Craigslist in
 Richland, Washington
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You may want to leave it pin feed.  With the difficulty these days of
getting TTY paper rolls, it may be that pin feed paper will be
easier to get in the long run.  I bought a couple of cartons from
Moore Business Forms - but they don't seem to be around anymore.


From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 13:29:16 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:29:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] converting a 35 typing unit from sprocket to friction
	feed or ?
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7PRToionMgo-bn9UtBrKrPTV-eskscQJNE0SN@mail.gmail.com>

curios what the highlights are (going to be) ?

someone have a basket case unit for the parts ?

-pete

From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Jun 11 14:41:22 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:41:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype Sprocket Feed
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Peter,

Sprocket feed paper is still available. And it may outlast the roll  
paper!
Food for thought...  If you are still insistent on having a friction  
feed typing unit,
I might trade you if you pay for the shipping of both units.

Don
K9TTY
Currently in Ringwood, IL 60072


On 11 Jun 2010, at 11:39 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

Jerry it all your fault .. will pick it up this Sunday

printer is a pin feed.

what does it take to change to a friction feed. Been a LONG time since
I've been inside a 35

and it comes with what sounds like an IBM 026 and 029 to keep the
truck balanced ...

-pete

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM,  <gfmurphy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Greenkeyers:
>
> There is a Model 35 ASR available on Craigslist in Richland,  
> Washington.
> The photo shows a nice looking private line version machine.  Check  
> out
> the ad at:
>    http://kpr.craigslist.org/ele/1775892955.html
>
> I talked to the owner this morning and he would like to find a good
> home for this machine.  He also has a pair of card punch machines  
> (IBM 029?)
> if anyone is interested in those.
>
> Jerry Murphy
>
>
>
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From pete at petelancashire.com  Fri Jun 11 15:16:44 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:16:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype Sprocket Feed
In-Reply-To: <00AD1840-33E1-43A6-9320-7A5ACD80C365@dls.net>
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I'm slowly being convinced to stay with sprocket feed. But for me having
a 35 is more for display and memories then anything else. So paper
usage should be low.

I'll have about 6 months to think about it, too many things other going on now.

I just could not see it going to the junk yard where it was headed.

On the paper roll issue, what is considered a 'good price' for a roll ?
I've a friend at a pretty big print shop and they buy paper in rolls that
take a fork lift, plus the last time I was there about a year ago they
had a slitter that although they no longer use it, it was still in their
warehouse.

-pete Now to get rid of two HP D and E size pen plotters for a VERY
reasonable price.


On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Sprocket feed paper is still available. And it may outlast the roll
> paper!
> Food for thought... ?If you are still insistent on having a friction
> feed typing unit,
> I might trade you if you pay for the shipping of both units.
>
> Don
> K9TTY
> Currently in Ringwood, IL 60072
>
>
> On 11 Jun 2010, at 11:39 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> Jerry it all your fault .. will pick it up this Sunday
>
> printer is a pin feed.
>
> what does it take to change to a friction feed. Been a LONG time since
> I've been inside a 35
>
> and it comes with what sounds like an IBM 026 and 029 to keep the
> truck balanced ...
>
> -pete
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, ?<gfmurphy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Greenkeyers:
>>
>> There is a Model 35 ASR available on Craigslist in Richland,
>> Washington.
>> The photo shows a nice looking private line version machine. ?Check
>> out
>> the ad at:
>> ? ?http://kpr.craigslist.org/ele/1775892955.html
>>
>> I talked to the owner this morning and he would like to find a good
>> home for this machine. ?He also has a pair of card punch machines
>> (IBM 029?)
>> if anyone is interested in those.
>>
>> Jerry Murphy
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Jun 11 21:46:49 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:46:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype supplies...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTink53MxNChuZgISnIPux8SOWIDqJ3ozNNI-aPot@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11640425.1276273007157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<AANLkTil8WxLcKmL7y9m4Q1zZ3-1It5_beHgGh8ryt4hd@mail.gmail.com>
	<00AD1840-33E1-43A6-9320-7A5ACD80C365@dls.net>
	<AANLkTink53MxNChuZgISnIPux8SOWIDqJ3ozNNI-aPot@mail.gmail.com>
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The slitter would be a real nice thing to have.  That way rolls of  
paper tape
could be made in the 1", 13/16", 3/8" and 5/16" widths.

Paper tape and Roll paper prices vary all over the place.
Like other items in the Teletype world... it is heavy to ship.

If you can convince someone to send the paper as MEDIA MAIL
you can afford the shipping.

Film for cameras is media.
Memory for whatever is media.
CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs are media.
Cassette tapes are media.
Paper is media for Teletype machines.

The requirement is that there is no advertising in the package.
Most of the paper tape and roll paper I have here was sent here via  
Media Mail.

Don
K9TTY

On 11 Jun 2010, at 2:16 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

I'm slowly being convinced to stay with sprocket feed. But for me having
a 35 is more for display and memories then anything else. So paper
usage should be low.

I'll have about 6 months to think about it, too many things other  
going on now.

I just could not see it going to the junk yard where it was headed.

On the paper roll issue, what is considered a 'good price' for a roll ?
I've a friend at a pretty big print shop and they buy paper in rolls  
that
take a fork lift, plus the last time I was there about a year ago they
had a slitter that although they no longer use it, it was still in their
warehouse.

-pete Now to get rid of two HP D and E size pen plotters for a VERY
reasonable price.


On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>  
wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Sprocket feed paper is still available. And it may outlast the roll
> paper!
> Food for thought...  If you are still insistent on having a friction
> feed typing unit,
> I might trade you if you pay for the shipping of both units.
>
> Don
> K9TTY
> Currently in Ringwood, IL 60072
>
>
> On 11 Jun 2010, at 11:39 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> Jerry it all your fault .. will pick it up this Sunday
>
> printer is a pin feed.
>
> what does it take to change to a friction feed. Been a LONG time since
> I've been inside a 35
>
> and it comes with what sounds like an IBM 026 and 029 to keep the
> truck balanced ...
>
> -pete
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM,  <gfmurphy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Greenkeyers:
>>
>> There is a Model 35 ASR available on Craigslist in Richland,
>> Washington.
>> The photo shows a nice looking private line version machine.  Check
>> out
>> the ad at:
>>    http://kpr.craigslist.org/ele/1775892955.html
>>
>> I talked to the owner this morning and he would like to find a good
>> home for this machine.  He also has a pair of card punch machines
>> (IBM 029?)
>> if anyone is interested in those.
>>
>> Jerry Murphy
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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From pete at petelancashire.com  Fri Jun 11 21:58:18 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:58:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 ASR Teletype supplies...
In-Reply-To: <EFEC14BC-C623-4885-B23F-566785345427@dls.net>
References: <11640425.1276273007157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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next week i am going to visit the place with the slitter. it may long be
gone if someone needed the space or the owners wife took over.

two killers. the first insurance. when I visit where the paper is stored
one has to wear a hard hat had to have passed a OSHA test. No biggie
but its the new world.

the other is winding, they as far as I know have no facility for it, or if
they do I've not seen it. Again the slitter has not been used in at least
10 maybe 15 years. I know there was once there since roll of paper
were on if the thing they did.

the third could be feed stock, sure can afford a new roll, i think they
are something like a ton each maybe more.

i'll update when I know later next week.

-pete



On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
> The slitter would be a real nice thing to have. ?That way rolls of paper
> tape
> could be made in the 1", 13/16", 3/8" and 5/16" widths.
>
> Paper tape and Roll paper prices vary all over the place.
> Like other items in the Teletype world... it is heavy to ship.
>
> If you can convince someone to send the paper as MEDIA MAIL
> you can afford the shipping.
>
> Film for cameras is media.
> Memory for whatever is media.
> CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs are media.
> Cassette tapes are media.
> Paper is media for Teletype machines.
>
> The requirement is that there is no advertising in the package.
> Most of the paper tape and roll paper I have here was sent here via Media
> Mail.
>
> Don
> K9TTY
>
> On 11 Jun 2010, at 2:16 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> I'm slowly being convinced to stay with sprocket feed. But for me having
> a 35 is more for display and memories then anything else. So paper
> usage should be low.
>
> I'll have about 6 months to think about it, too many things other going on
> now.
>
> I just could not see it going to the junk yard where it was headed.
>
> On the paper roll issue, what is considered a 'good price' for a roll ?
> I've a friend at a pretty big print shop and they buy paper in rolls that
> take a fork lift, plus the last time I was there about a year ago they
> had a slitter that although they no longer use it, it was still in their
> warehouse.
>
> -pete Now to get rid of two HP D and E size pen plotters for a VERY
> reasonable price.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Sprocket feed paper is still available. And it may outlast the roll
>> paper!
>> Food for thought... ?If you are still insistent on having a friction
>> feed typing unit,
>> I might trade you if you pay for the shipping of both units.
>>
>> Don
>> K9TTY
>> Currently in Ringwood, IL 60072
>>
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 11:39 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>>
>> Jerry it all your fault .. will pick it up this Sunday
>>
>> printer is a pin feed.
>>
>> what does it take to change to a friction feed. Been a LONG time since
>> I've been inside a 35
>>
>> and it comes with what sounds like an IBM 026 and 029 to keep the
>> truck balanced ...
>>
>> -pete
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:16 AM, ?<gfmurphy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greenkeyers:
>>>
>>> There is a Model 35 ASR available on Craigslist in Richland,
>>> Washington.
>>> The photo shows a nice looking private line version machine. ?Check
>>> out
>>> the ad at:
>>> ? http://kpr.craigslist.org/ele/1775892955.html
>>>
>>> I talked to the owner this morning and he would like to find a good
>>> home for this machine. ?He also has a pair of card punch machines
>>> (IBM 029?)
>>> if anyone is interested in those.
>>>
>>> Jerry Murphy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>>>
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From w7tty at olypen.com  Fri Jun 11 22:27:25 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:27:25 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 32 ASRs
Message-ID: <1052575FBE534D8A9D6FE512A8668FE5@LAPTOP>

All - - -

Available are three model 32ASR machines, located in Sequim, Washington.

I simply have too many machines, and have never been very fond of the 
beer-can type of construction found in 32s, 33ss, and 38s.

There is no charge for the machines, and two have the elusive 60 WPM gears.

The machines are former Western Union Telex units, and are in good 
condition, and most have all of the usual accesories such as tape and paper 
spindle, and two have copy holders. There are a couple of extra window 
assemblies, also in good condition.

If interested, e-mail me at W7TTY at olypen.com.

You buy the gas and I'll haul them maybe 700 miles.

W7TTY - Sequim, WA





From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Jun 11 22:35:04 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:35:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Sprocket Feed Paper
In-Reply-To: <4C12DFCB.6080501@hachti.de>
References: <11640425.1276273007157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<AANLkTil8WxLcKmL7y9m4Q1zZ3-1It5_beHgGh8ryt4hd@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4C12DFCB.6080501@hachti.de>
Message-ID: <16847D21-B725-4DDE-A80B-4992B124B9D8@dls.net>

Hello Phillipp,

I will look up the sources and put the supplier information on the list.
The paper available now is the "blue-lined" version, but it can be  
ordered.
More later..

Best regards,

Don
K9TTY



On 11 Jun 2010, at 8:15 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote:

Salut,


On 11.06.2010 20:41, Don Robert House wrote:
> Sprocket feed paper is still available. And it may outlast the roll
> paper!
But where to get it?!? Seems to be near to impossible in Europe :-(
I'm sitting on several sprocket feed 35s - and have two or three rolls  
of paper. So a conversion would be great... Or, even better: A source  
for sprocket feed paper rolls.

Best wishes,

Philipp




-- 
http://www.hachti.de


From k9tty at dls.net  Fri Jun 11 23:40:24 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:40:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: 8 1/2 X 11 Sprocket Feed Paper Link
In-Reply-To: <4C12FBEB.5060805@copper.net>
References: <E2492D3B-0EAD-4965-AC7C-E0AFF296C9EF@dls.net>
	<4C1284F2.4040506@copper.net>
	<613B1D83-77FF-4953-82FE-C87A3A16F31F@dls.net>
	<4C12E50C.4020108@copper.net>
	<5635747D-FBCE-4FF3-8DC3-2BA9041DAE4E@dls.net>
	<4C12FBEB.5060805@copper.net>
Message-ID: <4836F88F-8C8B-42A8-88F9-9053DD4E7878@dls.net>

Thanks brother Rice!

I was mistaken, it is not blue line... It is green bar...

> The link for the 8.5 x 11 sprocket feed paper:  <http://tinyurl.com/teletype-forms 
> >
>
<http://www.qualityforms.com/details.asp?table=ComputerPaper&cat=Computer%20Paper&mod=QU-W10 
 >




From nagle at animats.com  Sat Jun 12 01:44:35 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:44:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] IBM model 29 keypunch available
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10127.1276307904.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.10127.1276307904.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C131EC3.1070805@animats.com>

    Ask the Computer History Museum.  They have keypunches, but they let
visitors use them and may need extras.

				John Nagle

From dmm at lemur.com  Sat Jun 12 12:23:09 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:23:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology
Message-ID: <201006121617.CXK34738@rg6.cniteam.com>


In a recent thread, Pete Lancashire mentioned a paper slitter for
cutting down rolls (for printing paper? for punch tape? for both?)
Having never seen such a device, I'm wondering how it works.

Does it unroll the paper past a knife (knives?)  and then re-roll it on 
take-up reels?  Or does it cut into a roll all-at-once as, say, the roll 
spins on a lathe?  Or does it use some other method?

I recall that the accounts of Morse and Vail indicate
that they had to build a "lathe" for cutting the paper tape for their
registers, but that was a long, long time ago.

Could one start with, say, a 1" wide roll of paper and cut it down
on a lathe to width?  (I'm thinking here of 7/8" tape for 6-level TTS.
You can still get the 1" new, but 7/8" is harder to find.)
Or is this just asking for the roll to come unwound at speed,
turning the shop into an elaborate paper spider's web?

Just curious.  One would think that it would be possible to
"homebrew" a slitter that would suffice for the small quantities
needed for amateur use.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 12 12:17:39 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:17:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006121117260.2112@localhost>

Can somebody tell me how to receive it under Linux?


From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Sat Jun 12 17:08:25 2010
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:08:25 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology
References: <201006121617.CXK34738@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <CC82CC8670A849EE8C0FC9AB304C5A5B@NewComputer>

Gentlemen:

I haven't thought about slitters for a while (retired) but I did spend my 
life in what is usually called "converting and flexible packaging" and we 
did use slitters all the time.   The ones made in the past 15 years are a 
bit "past" the level of making one of the kitchen table but if I go back to 
1965 that might not be true.   And since we are only concerned with paper at 
speeds of maybe a couple of hundred feet per minute (or maybe 5 or ten feet 
per minute for our purposes) and not the several thousand feet per minute 
used to cut your potato chip bag to size I've thought about this myself.

You have to "tension" the paper somehow.   This usually means some sort of 
brake on the unwinding roll and some sort of drive motor to power the wind 
up roll.  Actually, it's a lot more complex than that but for our purposes 
if you have some sort of support and provide some rollers for the paper to 
pass over to establish a "flat" path for some short distance, you can use 
ordinary utility knife blades, spaced at the correct width.  Today the 
"knives" are largely gone and driven, sharpened wheels simulate the action 
of a scissors  and handle delicate materials of all sorts.   I have an old 
blue print machine sitting in my collection of junk that I don't throw out 
because, in the back of my mind I keep thinking that I might build some such 
thing.  Of course, "oiling" the paper is somewhat more complex if you insist 
on that level of  "product" quality.

Seems to me that a while back I recall someone proposing to use a 16 mm 
movie editor for this.   I see nothing wrong with that and the unwinding 
roll would be, I assume, "adding machine tape."   And the brake can be an 
old sock hanging over it with a rock in the toe.

73

Lee   K9WRU   And I'm still looking for Model 15 key caps.....
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dmm at lemur.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology


>
> In a recent thread, Pete Lancashire mentioned a paper slitter for
> cutting down rolls (for printing paper? for punch tape? for both?)
> Having never seen such a device, I'm wondering how it works.
>
> Does it unroll the paper past a knife (knives?)  and then re-roll it on
> take-up reels?  Or does it cut into a roll all-at-once as, say, the roll
> spins on a lathe?  Or does it use some other method?
>
> I recall that the accounts of Morse and Vail indicate
> that they had to build a "lathe" for cutting the paper tape for their
> registers, but that was a long, long time ago.
>
> Could one start with, say, a 1" wide roll of paper and cut it down
> on a lathe to width?  (I'm thinking here of 7/8" tape for 6-level TTS.
> You can still get the 1" new, but 7/8" is harder to find.)
> Or is this just asking for the roll to come unwound at speed,
> turning the shop into an elaborate paper spider's web?
>
> Just curious.  One would think that it would be possible to
> "homebrew" a slitter that would suffice for the small quantities
> needed for amateur use.
>
> Regards,
> David M.
> ===
> Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & 
> www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
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>       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
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From dmm at lemur.com  Sat Jun 12 17:10:05 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:10:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology
Message-ID: <201006122104.CXK42286@rg6.cniteam.com>


I received a couple of very useful replies offlist, and thought
I'd pass on the gist of their information.

First, Rice has a photograph on his website of a fixed-cutter
unit made up largely of Model 14 TD parts.  See:

http://riceguy.site50.net/1_10_Machines-and-More-.html

and scroll down nearly to the bottom of the page.


Second, one can find a half-dozen videos of larger commercial
units in operation.  These are rotary-cutter machines, with a
couple of different styles of take-up apparatus.  I would never,
ever, have thought to search YouTube in researching this,
and very much appreciate the tip.  A YouTube search on

paper slitter
or
paper slitting machine

does the trick.

Regards,
David M.
===
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   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 12 17:18:13 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:18:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology
In-Reply-To: <CC82CC8670A849EE8C0FC9AB304C5A5B@NewComputer>
References: <201006121617.CXK34738@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<CC82CC8670A849EE8C0FC9AB304C5A5B@NewComputer>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006121612180.26598@localhost>

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, Lee Mushel wrote:

> Gentlemen:
>
> I haven't thought about slitters for a while (retired) but I did spend my
> life in what is usually called "converting and flexible packaging" and we
> did use slitters all the time.   The ones made in the past 15 years are a

I've been thinking we should approach a "paper converter" company about
getting our paper and tape made - maybe you know a company that would be
receptive to our needs.  How big an order would it take to interest one?

When I was working for Teletype back in the mid 1960s we seemed to be able
to get any special kind of paper or tape we needed, but I never thought
to ask where it came from.  Of course in those days the standard stuff
like we need now was standard stuff and widely available.  But we could
get unusual stuff - I remember at one time the Inktronic project was using
a roll of paper with sprocket feed holes because they were having trouble
at the time getting friction feed to work at the speeds they needed.
It was roll paper, not folded forms, and a much bigger roll than the
standard teleprinter roll.  And when the new stock ticker based on
Model 37 printer came out I think it used a different width of ticker
tape than its predecessor.



From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 12 18:03:29 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology
In-Reply-To: <201006121617.CXK34738@rg6.cniteam.com>
References: <201006121617.CXK34738@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <708152.93218.qm@web180004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As an experiment, I recently cut down a roll of 11/16" tape to 5/16" on a band saw.? I wouldn't want to make a career out of it, but it actually worked fine and wasn't particularly dangerous.? I was going to build a slitter but changed my mind...

Gerry
AD6MC



________________________________
From: "dmm at lemur.com" <dmm at lemur.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 9:23:09 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] paper slitter technology


In a recent thread, Pete Lancashire mentioned a paper slitter for
cutting down rolls (for printing paper? for punch tape? for both?)
Having never seen such a device, I'm wondering how it works.

Does it unroll the paper past a knife (knives?)? and then re-roll it on 
take-up reels?? Or does it cut into a roll all-at-once as, say, the roll 
spins on a lathe?? Or does it use some other method?

I recall that the accounts of Morse and Vail indicate
that they had to build a "lathe" for cutting the paper tape for their
registers, but that was a long, long time ago.

Could one start with, say, a 1" wide roll of paper and cut it down
on a lathe to width?? (I'm thinking here of 7/8" tape for 6-level TTS.
You can still get the 1" new, but 7/8" is harder to find.)
Or is this just asking for the roll to come unwound at speed,
turning the shop into an elaborate paper spider's web?

Just curious.? One would think that it would be possible to
"homebrew" a slitter that would suffice for the small quantities
needed for amateur use.

Regards,
David M.
===
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? The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
? ? ? - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold

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From pete at petelancashire.com  Sun Jun 13 22:59:59 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:59:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 466 miles later 35 made it to its new home
Message-ID: <AANLkTilKGXCGRRn4eGwSdfaqSyfwAaCvuEAq_AAsR7n9@mail.gmail.com>

http://petelancashire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=18431

the seller "tossed in" a IBM 26 and 29 Keypunch. Sadly part of the 29
is now somewhere
in the Oregon desert along I-84.

The cover for the paper on the 35 was missing when I picked it up, so at least
I can't be blamed for that one.

I think they will survive staying in the back of the truck till tomorrow.

So anyone have or know of someone with IBM 29/029/129 parts ?

-pete  time for a beer ...

From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 23:53:18 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:53:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: 466 miles later 35 made it to its new home
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilKGXCGRRn4eGwSdfaqSyfwAaCvuEAq_AAsR7n9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilKGXCGRRn4eGwSdfaqSyfwAaCvuEAq_AAsR7n9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSVsL1yl78srBsojcw9nw7zgF7zRzkrgUxSL-C@mail.gmail.com>

http://petelancashire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=18431

the seller "tossed in" a IBM 26 and 29 Keypunch. Sadly part of the 29
is now somewhere
in the Oregon desert along I-84.

The cover for the paper on the 35 was missing when I picked it up, so at least
I can't be blamed for that one.

I think they will survive staying in the back of the truck till tomorrow.

So anyone have or know of someone with IBM 29/029/129 parts ?

-pete ?time for a beer ...

From steveripper at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 00:32:19 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:32:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 $15 Pittsburg, PA
Message-ID: <000601cb0b7a$94921b70$bdb65250$@net>


FYI: Looks like a very clean Model 33 located south of Pittsburg just off of
I-79 only $15.


Craigslist Ad:


teletype - vintage early 70s - $15 (Upper St. Clair)


 

Date: 2010-06-11, 10:41PM EDT
Reply to: sale-b88z2-1787693873 at craigslist.org
<mailto:sale-b88z2-1787693873 at craigslist.org?subject=teletype%20-%20vintage%
20early%2070s%20-%20%2415%20%28Upper%20St.%20Clair%29&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%
2Fpittsburgh.craigslist.org%2Fatq%2F1787693873.html%0A>  [Errors when
replying to ads? <http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts> ]

 

Used to communicate with mainframe computer -- the earliest telecommuting
equipment. Long before personal computers. 
Available at garage sale, Saturday, June 12, 8:00 to 2:00. 204 Cherokee
Road, Upper St. Clair in Brookside Farms off Rt. 19. 

 

Cheers,

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705

 


From bonamod at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 14 09:04:17 2010
From: bonamod at bellsouth.net (David Bonamo)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 $15 Pittsburg, PA
In-Reply-To: <000601cb0b7a$94921b70$bdb65250$@net>
Message-ID: <899603.51997.qm@web180408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If anyone is interested in this they should contact the user now. 

He is sending it off to a charity organization by end of week because they are moving.  I was going to make a trip to PA later this month but he cant hold it.  

David




--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Steve Ripper <steveripper at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Steve Ripper <steveripper at comcast.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 $15 Pittsburg, PA
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 12:32 AM
> 
> FYI: Looks like a very clean Model 33 located south of
> Pittsburg just off of
> I-79 only $15.
> 
> 
> Craigslist Ad:
> 
> 
> teletype - vintage early 70s - $15 (Upper St. Clair)
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Date: 2010-06-11, 10:41PM EDT
> Reply to: sale-b88z2-1787693873 at craigslist.org
> <mailto:sale-b88z2-1787693873 at craigslist.org?subject=teletype%20-%20vintage%
> 20early%2070s%20-%20%2415%20%28Upper%20St.%20Clair%29&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%
> 2Fpittsburgh.craigslist.org%2Fatq%2F1787693873.html%0A>?
> [Errors when
> replying to ads? <http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts>
> ]
> 
>  
> 
> Used to communicate with mainframe computer -- the earliest
> telecommuting
> equipment. Long before personal computers. 
> Available at garage sale, Saturday, June 12, 8:00 to 2:00.
> 204 Cherokee
> Road, Upper St. Clair in Brookside Farms off Rt. 19. 
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steve Ripper
> 
>  <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net>
> steveripper at comcast.net
> 
> Mobile: 248-787-0705
> 
>  
> 
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From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 16:47:44 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:47:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR35 unloaded with small surprise and a question.
Message-ID: <AANLkTiln_UGiy2CszshDr--SclU_XSKvCO8630aXPy-W@mail.gmail.com>

http://petelancashire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=18596

the other is the TD was in its lock down position, looks like the
three retaining bolts
never were loosened or removed. Should they have been ?

biggest missing feature is not a printing punch.

-pete now to figure out how to get the two keypunches unloaded

From dmm at lemur.com  Mon Jun 14 18:52:04 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:52:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] another Model 19 saved
Message-ID: <201006142246.AAZ32972@rg7.cniteam.com>


Since we're talking about successful machinery hauling, here's
another.  I just got home with it today:

http://www.lemur.com/temp/model-19-set/index.html

It's a Model 19 set, pretty much complete.  It may look a bit familiar
as it was on ebay recently.  It didn't sell there, but later the
owner was willing to part with it for less.  Under the dust, it seems
to be in pretty good shape, really.  I'm particularly glad that
it has the relay and the table/rectifier (and of course the punch -
this is my first 5-level punch).  I've still got a lot to figure out
about it, and some basic cleaning/hookup/testing to do.  (The Model 5
Linotype is firmly at the head of the project queue right now, though,
so it may be a while before I get to this.)

Two questions:

(1) The unit is painted a sort of gray-green, which to my un-military eye 
makes it look military (but it isn't an olive drab sort of green).  
The badge on the front, though, says Bell System Teletypewriter Service.  
There are no obvious military markings on it.
Is it likely that this was a military or a civilian unit?

(2) What is the name/designation for this set overall, inclusive
of the Typing Unit, TD, table, Rectifier, etc.?  Is it correct to
call it simply a "Model 19," or would it be a "Model 19 Set"?
Or would it be something else?  The Teletype Corporation's otherwise
laudable habit of making everything modular does make the question
of naming collections of modules more difficult.

Regards,
David M.
===
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   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From k9tty at dls.net  Mon Jun 14 23:52:01 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:52:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] another Model 19 saved
In-Reply-To: <201006142246.AAZ32972@rg7.cniteam.com>
References: <201006142246.AAZ32972@rg7.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <B4950E7A-5BF6-4785-A4DC-0BD1278C0576@dls.net>

You out-bid me Doctor... glad you did, my wife would be really angry
if I brought home another 19.. So far I have lugged at least 5 of them.
I offered the man $25. to save the machine.

It is definitely a BELL SYSTEM machine and is not military.
You will notice the character counter on the right side of the keyboard.
Most military machines have the character counter on the left of the
keyboard in front of the perforator to save space.

The sad part of the machine you picked up is that the person who had
it did not realize that the cables are plug ended and he cut the wiring
to move it in modules.  Hopefully you can make sense of his damage.

I have some M19 ASR drawings here.  There are several versions.
If you send me an image of lower portion of the back of the machine
I might be able to help you.

I also have several rectifiers here.  I have no idea whether your 19
has one in the base or not... if you want to run the machine you will
need one.

There are a couple of 19s shown on my website...
http://www.nadcomm.com/

Don
K9TTY

Ye Old Teletype Installer-Repairman 1966-1973


On 14 Jun 2010, at 5:52 PM, dmm at lemur.com wrote:


Since we're talking about successful machinery hauling, here's
another.  I just got home with it today:

http://www.lemur.com/temp/model-19-set/index.html

It's a Model 19 set, pretty much complete.  It may look a bit familiar
as it was on ebay recently.  It didn't sell there, but later the
owner was willing to part with it for less.  Under the dust, it seems
to be in pretty good shape, really.  I'm particularly glad that
it has the relay and the table/rectifier (and of course the punch -
this is my first 5-level punch).  I've still got a lot to figure out
about it, and some basic cleaning/hookup/testing to do.  (The Model 5
Linotype is firmly at the head of the project queue right now, though,
so it may be a while before I get to this.)

Two questions:

(1) The unit is painted a sort of gray-green, which to my un-military  
eye
makes it look military (but it isn't an olive drab sort of green).
The badge on the front, though, says Bell System Teletypewriter Service.
There are no obvious military markings on it.
Is it likely that this was a military or a civilian unit?

(2) What is the name/designation for this set overall, inclusive
of the Typing Unit, TD, table, Rectifier, etc.?  Is it correct to
call it simply a "Model 19," or would it be a "Model 19 Set"?
Or would it be something else?  The Teletype Corporation's otherwise
laudable habit of making everything modular does make the question
of naming collections of modules more difficult.

Regards,
David M.
===
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   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold

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From info at lnet.com.ar  Tue Jun 15 11:20:08 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:20:08 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] another Model 19 saved
References: <201006142246.AAZ32972@rg7.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <026c01cb0c9e$3f39cdb0$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Man, that one looks in great shape!
I have to say this... you all are lucky... pursuing a teletype hobby here in 
Argentina is like being a marine biologist in the middle of the Sahara...

OK! Enjoy!

Regards!

Javier Albinarrate


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dmm at lemur.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:52 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] another Model 19 saved


>
> Since we're talking about successful machinery hauling, here's
> another.  I just got home with it today:
>
> http://www.lemur.com/temp/model-19-set/index.html
>
> It's a Model 19 set, pretty much complete.  It may look a bit familiar
> as it was on ebay recently.  It didn't sell there, but later the
> owner was willing to part with it for less.  Under the dust, it seems
> to be in pretty good shape, really.  I'm particularly glad that
> it has the relay and the table/rectifier (and of course the punch -
> this is my first 5-level punch).  I've still got a lot to figure out
> about it, and some basic cleaning/hookup/testing to do.  (The Model 5
> Linotype is firmly at the head of the project queue right now, though,
> so it may be a while before I get to this.)
>
> Two questions:
>
> (1) The unit is painted a sort of gray-green, which to my un-military eye
> makes it look military (but it isn't an olive drab sort of green).
> The badge on the front, though, says Bell System Teletypewriter Service.
> There are no obvious military markings on it.
> Is it likely that this was a military or a civilian unit?
>
> (2) What is the name/designation for this set overall, inclusive
> of the Typing Unit, TD, table, Rectifier, etc.?  Is it correct to
> call it simply a "Model 19," or would it be a "Model 19 Set"?
> Or would it be something else?  The Teletype Corporation's otherwise
> laudable habit of making everything modular does make the question
> of naming collections of modules more difficult.
>
> Regards,
> David M.
> ===
> Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & 
> www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
>   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
>       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
>
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From john at johnwhitney.com  Wed Jun 16 14:41:20 2010
From: john at johnwhitney.com (John Whitney)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:41:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
Message-ID: <NKBBLCKPOLDHFOHCEDIAIEOADJAA.john@johnwhitney.com>

FYI:

RARE MODEL 20 RO ASSOCIATED PRESS TELETYPE MACHINE / Pittsburgh Press - $150
(Lake Worth)

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/atq/1794288397.html

John
john at johnwhitney.com
801 815 9265


From _dave.f at mail.com  Wed Jun 16 17:46:00 2010
From: _dave.f at mail.com (David Freeman)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:46:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
In-Reply-To: <NKBBLCKPOLDHFOHCEDIAIEOADJAA.john@johnwhitney.com>
References: <NKBBLCKPOLDHFOHCEDIAIEOADJAA.john@johnwhitney.com>
Message-ID: <8CCDBB471ED61B0-172C-AF7B@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com>

 Is it a Model 20? It looks like it only has 5 bellcranks driving the type basket. Am I missing something?

Dave, WW8S

 



-----Original Message-----
From: John Whitney &lt;john at johnwhitney.com&gt;
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:40 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida

 
 
 
FYI: 
 
RARE MODEL 20 RO ASSOCIATED PRESS TELETYPE MACHINE / Pittsburgh Press - $150 
(Lake Worth) 
 
http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/atq/1794288397.html 
 
John 
john at johnwhitney.com 
801 815 9265 
 
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From wa2hwj at att.net  Wed Jun 16 19:53:36 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:53:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
In-Reply-To: <8CCDBB471ED61B0-172C-AF7B@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <NKBBLCKPOLDHFOHCEDIAIEOADJAA.john@johnwhitney.com>
	<8CCDBB471ED61B0-172C-AF7B@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cb0daf$29801990$7c804cb0$@net>

That's what I noticed, too.



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:46 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida

 Is it a Model 20? It looks like it only has 5 bellcranks driving the
type basket. Am I missing something?

Dave, WW8S

 



-----Original Message-----
From: John Whitney &lt;john at johnwhitney.com&gt;
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:40 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida

 
 
 
FYI: 
 
RARE MODEL 20 RO ASSOCIATED PRESS TELETYPE MACHINE / Pittsburgh Press
- $150 
(Lake Worth) 
 
http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/atq/1794288397.html 
 
John 
john at johnwhitney.com 
801 815 9265 
 
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From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 16 23:19:53 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:19:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
Message-ID: <9199697.1276744793892.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>




Greenkeyers:
It is a Model 20 but it has some serious shortcomings:  Besides
the missing bellcrank, it is missing the mainshaft and the entire
6 level selector mechanism.  This machine has appeared before on
Craigslist without getting any takers. It was mentioned on Green-
keys in March of 2009.
 

Jerry Murphy


>
>-----Original Message-----
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
>
> Is it a Model 20? It looks like it only has 5 bellcranks driving the
>type basket. Am I missing something?
>
>Dave, WW8S
>
> 
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Whitney &lt;john at johnwhitney.com&gt;
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:40 pm
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
>
> 
> 
> 
>FYI: 
> 
>RARE MODEL 20 RO ASSOCIATED PRESS TELETYPE MACHINE / Pittsburgh Press
>- $150 
>(Lake Worth) 
> 
>http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/atq/1794288397.html 
> 
>John 
>john at johnwhitney.com 
>801 815 9265 
> 




From packard42 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 00:20:03 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:20:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
In-Reply-To: <9199697.1276744793892.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9199697.1276744793892.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BB2C7F39-360E-465B-A8C1-14CD465E7501@gmail.com>

In other words it is a parts unit...  I could use a parts unit but  
Florida is a long drive.
AND I do not want to pay much for a parts unit.

Thanks Jerry

Don


On 16 Jun 2010, at 10:19 PM, gfmurphy at earthlink.net wrote:




Greenkeyers:
It is a Model 20 but it has some serious shortcomings:  Besides
the missing bellcrank, it is missing the mainshaft and the entire
6 level selector mechanism.  This machine has appeared before on
Craigslist without getting any takers. It was mentioned on Green-
keys in March of 2009.


Jerry Murphy


>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
>
> Is it a Model 20? It looks like it only has 5 bellcranks driving the
> type basket. Am I missing something?
>
> Dave, WW8S
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Whitney &lt;john at johnwhitney.com&gt;
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:40 pm
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
>
>
>
>
> FYI:
>
> RARE MODEL 20 RO ASSOCIATED PRESS TELETYPE MACHINE / Pittsburgh Press
> - $150
> (Lake Worth)
>
> http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/atq/1794288397.html
>
> John
> john at johnwhitney.com
> 801 815 9265
>



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From _dave.f at mail.com  Thu Jun 17 08:25:23 2010
From: _dave.f at mail.com (David Freeman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:25:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida
In-Reply-To: <000301cb0daf$29801990$7c804cb0$@net>
References: <000301cb0daf$29801990$7c804cb0$@net>
Message-ID: <8CCDC2F4B32711B-1560-1D74F@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com>

 I've heard of M20's being converted to 5-level for Ham RTTY. Is this what they end up looking like? Perhaps this one is lost in the middle of that effort.

Dave, WW8S

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Jack &lt;wa2hwj at att.net&gt;
To: 'David Freeman' &lt;_dave.f at mail.com&gt;; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida

 
 
 
That's what I noticed, too. 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Freeman 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:46 PM 
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida 
 
 Is it a Model 20? It looks like it only has 5 bellcranks driving the 
type basket. Am I missing something? 
 
Dave, WW8S 
 
  
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: John Whitney &lt;john at johnwhitney.com&gt; 
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:40 pm 
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 20 Available Florida 
 
  
  
  
FYI:  
  
RARE MODEL 20 RO ASSOCIATED PRESS TELETYPE MACHINE / Pittsburgh Press 
- $150  
(Lake Worth)  
  
http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/atq/1794288397.html  
  
John  
john at johnwhitney.com  
801 815 9265  
  
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From kr4wm at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 17 21:25:59 2010
From: kr4wm at earthlink.net (Web Williams)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:25:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron for sale
Message-ID: <4C1ACB27.4000701@earthlink.net>

Saw this ad on eHam.net


      Dovetron RTTY TU

<http://www.eham.net/data/classifieds/images/320003.jpg>

Dovetron RTTY Terminal Unit. MPC-1000R II, Manual. $150 & UPS.
LED scope

*Phone:* None entered *Email:* w5jbo at yahoo.com <mailto:w5jbo at yahoo.com>



From jack.rubin at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 18 12:43:07 2010
From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:43:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Vintage Computer Festival Midwest 5.0 (USA!)
Message-ID: <41165A648E3649D19B5ED4036F878C40@obie>

Vintage Computer Festival comes to Chicago!

The fifth edition of VCF Midwest will take place in Chicago (OK, Lombard is
a suburb) this fall - join us on September 18 in conjunction with ECCC as we
once again coax vintage electrons into motion.

The show will run from 8:00 AM on Saturday on into the night, coming to an
official close at 1:00 AM Sunday morning. Early setup will be available on
Friday evening from 5-6:30 PM, at which time the exhibition area will be
locked until the show opens on Saturday morning. 

In addition to exhibitions of eclectic electronica, we will feature
speakers, vendors and a Vince Briel workshop (come ready to homebrew!).

Admission is FREE to all whether you come to show, look, build, talk or
sell. 

Exhibitor and session info to follow shortly, but save the date NOW!

Join us!

Jack Rubin
chiclassiccomp

Rooms are available at a reduced rate at the adjoining Fairfield Inn. Ask
for "ECCC" or "vintage computer" rates. 
http://marriott.com/property/propertypage/CHIFS

Our Facebook Page -
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137065072974225

**************************************************************

Please feel free to share this information with others who might be
interested. Thank you.





From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Jun 19 06:31:47 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:31:47 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Curiosity - Cover ID?
Message-ID: <4C1C7263.32716.91A7F6@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi all:

The punch unit cover I got along with my Typesetter isn't a 
typesetter cover. Can anyone identify what equipment if 
might have been off?

One of the photos on my page shows it in the upper right 
hand quadrant - the main unit cover on the left is correct:

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/typesetter1.jpg

Which leaves me without one piece for the unit, the punch 
cover. Everything else needed has been located, is here, of 
on the way. It is possible that I might be able to modify 
this cover to work, but it would be nice to find the proper 
one.

Thanks,

Dave 

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 12:31:13 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:31:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Curiosity - Cover ID?
In-Reply-To: <4C1C7263.32716.91A7F6@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C1C7263.32716.91A7F6@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <25D2B76A-9CDB-40CB-BBB7-28B15A847F9B@gmail.com>

The cover in the upper right of the image is for a Model 15
punch that is used on a Model 19ASR and some lesser
known applications.

Don

On 19 Jun 2010, at 5:31 AM, Dave Hunter wrote:

Hi all:

The punch unit cover I got along with my Typesetter isn't a
typesetter cover. Can anyone identify what equipment if
might have been off?

One of the photos on my page shows it in the upper right
hand quadrant - the main unit cover on the left is correct:

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/typesetter1.jpg

Which leaves me without one piece for the unit, the punch
cover. Everything else needed has been located, is here, of
on the way. It is possible that I might be able to modify
this cover to work, but it would be nice to find the proper
one.

Thanks,

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net


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From dmm at lemur.com  Sat Jun 19 14:11:02 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:11:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Curiosity - Cover ID?
Message-ID: <201006191805.CXO72727@rg6.cniteam.com>


Well, for what it isn't worth, here are four rather poor photos of
an extremely grungy punch cover for a Teletypesetter Multiface
Keyboard Perforator (or at least the sheetmetal surrounding the
punch):

http://www.lemur.com/temp/punchcover/tts-punch-0708-top-crop-scale.jpg
http://www.lemur.com/temp/punchcover/tts-punch-0709-front-crop-scale.jpg
http://www.lemur.com/temp/punchcover/tts-punch-0710-end-rot-scale.jpg
http://www.lemur.com/temp/punchcover/tts-punch-0711-back-crop-scale.jpg

Let me know if you'd like better photos or measurements.  

As you're running a museum, you have an interim alternative.
You could construct a cover of plexiglas (is it plexiglas or perspex
in Canada?)  The placarding could say something on the order of
"The cover of the punch has been removed.  You can see X and Y,
and the operation of Z."  (This carefully omits mentioning the
detail that you don't actually have the punch cover.  As a writer,
my advice is never to trust writers! :-)  As a temporary solution,
it might look rather nice.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From wa2hwj at att.net  Sun Jun 20 20:38:52 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:38:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Gears
Message-ID: <000d01cb10da$1f755810$5e600830$@net>

I need the following two Model 28 gears:

 

145365

 

145366

 

These are for a Model 28ASR gearshift. The 145365

is a motor pinion gear and the 145366 is the gear

that drives the shifter.

 

73,

Jack K0TTY

 

 


From info at lnet.com.ar  Mon Jun 21 14:30:54 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:30:54 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
Message-ID: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Hello,

    While looking at Internet, I came into an "idea", and I would be glad if 
I can get some feedback from you all.
    I haven't found anything similar, but that may be just because I suck at 
searching... :)

    Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest 
telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been 
transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.

    There are a few of these, scanned on the internet, for example, the ones 
related to Kennedy's assassination, some about the EBS system, an who knows 
what else.
    I would basically transcript them into txt files, and make them 
available on a website, and also on the HeavyMetal v3 which is being baked 
in the oven right now.

    What do you think?
    Was this ever done?
    Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?

    Regards!!

Javier Albinarrate



 


From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:39:21 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:39:21 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
References: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRYJXYVwBK5q-flemshvIUMGc3JzvLEelUlk4W@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if there are any real paper ones out there ?

Fakes that I've seen or read about

The worst was a Kennedy assignation on fresh white paper. A good
fake was a Perl Harbor on vintage paper but screwed up up by using a
new ribbon. Something about the ink formula changing since '41.

-pete Just not dishonest enough ...

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Javier <info at lnet.com.ar> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> ? ?While looking at Internet, I came into an "idea", and I would be glad if
> I can get some feedback from you all.
> ? ?I haven't found anything similar, but that may be just because I suck at
> searching... :)
>
> ? ?Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest
> telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been
> transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.
>
> ? ?There are a few of these, scanned on the internet, for example, the ones
> related to Kennedy's assassination, some about the EBS system, an who knows
> what else.
> ? ?I would basically transcript them into txt files, and make them
> available on a website, and also on the HeavyMetal v3 which is being baked
> in the oven right now.
>
> ? ?What do you think?
> ? ?Was this ever done?
> ? ?Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?
>
> ? ?Regards!!
>
> Javier Albinarrate
>
>
>
>
>
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From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:40:11 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:40:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRYJXYVwBK5q-flemshvIUMGc3JzvLEelUlk4W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
	<AANLkTimRYJXYVwBK5q-flemshvIUMGc3JzvLEelUlk4W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpTZLvFXcc41paphKpt62rgtu4kzo69XPAIuhl@mail.gmail.com>

PS not implying in any way that this was the intent

-pete

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if there are any real paper ones out there ?
>
> Fakes that I've seen or read about
>
> The worst was a Kennedy assignation on fresh white paper. A good
> fake was a Perl Harbor on vintage paper but screwed up up by using a
> new ribbon. Something about the ink formula changing since '41.
>
> -pete Just not dishonest enough ...
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Javier <info at lnet.com.ar> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> ? ?While looking at Internet, I came into an "idea", and I would be glad if
>> I can get some feedback from you all.
>> ? ?I haven't found anything similar, but that may be just because I suck at
>> searching... :)
>>
>> ? ?Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest
>> telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been
>> transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.
>>
>> ? ?There are a few of these, scanned on the internet, for example, the ones
>> related to Kennedy's assassination, some about the EBS system, an who knows
>> what else.
>> ? ?I would basically transcript them into txt files, and make them
>> available on a website, and also on the HeavyMetal v3 which is being baked
>> in the oven right now.
>>
>> ? ?What do you think?
>> ? ?Was this ever done?
>> ? ?Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?
>>
>> ? ?Regards!!
>>
>> Javier Albinarrate
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From telegrapher at att.net  Mon Jun 21 14:57:24 2010
From: telegrapher at att.net (Larry Godek)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRYJXYVwBK5q-flemshvIUMGc3JzvLEelUlk4W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <615969.70103.qm@web80003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have or had a 194X something newspaper.? I don't know what quality is left in it but i could go find it and look.? Then if someone wanted to do the scanning or whatever to it you'd be more than welcome.? I'm sure the paper has browned since i last saw it but i don't know how much.? And then i might have thrown it out also.? Who knows what lurks in hidden places!!!

larry
W0OGH


--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:39 AM

I wonder if there are any real paper ones out there ?

Fakes that I've seen or read about

The worst was a Kennedy assignation on fresh white paper. A good
fake was a Perl Harbor on vintage paper but screwed up up by using a
new ribbon. Something about the ink formula changing since '41.

-pete Just not dishonest enough ...

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Javier <info at lnet.com.ar> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> ? ?While looking at Internet, I came into an "idea", and I would be glad if
> I can get some feedback from you all.
> ? ?I haven't found anything similar, but that may be just because I suck at
> searching... :)
>
> ? ?Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest
> telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been
> transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.
>
> ? ?There are a few of these, scanned on the internet, for example, the ones
> related to Kennedy's assassination, some about the EBS system, an who knows
> what else.
> ? ?I would basically transcript them into txt files, and make them
> available on a website, and also on the HeavyMetal v3 which is being baked
> in the oven right now.
>
> ? ?What do you think?
> ? ?Was this ever done?
> ? ?Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?
>
> ? ?Regards!!
>
> Javier Albinarrate
>
>
>
>
>
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From info at lnet.com.ar  Mon Jun 21 15:17:27 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:17:27 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
Message-ID: <012a01cb1176$64bc3460$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Hi Pete,

Yeah very good question, I've been around little time with ttys, and the
first time I got into eBay to search for paper rolls, I found one of these
Kennedy wires. The first thing I thought was... this is dead easy to do, and
for the buyer it is mostly unworthy to try to verify if it is authentic or
not. I guess I would simply assume all of them are fake, that makes things
easier.

As for the intent of this.. certainly it isn't to make GreenKeys a fraud
guild :)
Whenever I show my tty to somebody, it simply lacks "something"... the
feeling of transporting you to another time. I see these machines and I am
fascinated, but most people simply looks at them as if they were a simple
typewriter... they do not realize all what is involved, and all the reasons
why these are the grandfathers of communications, internet, and computers.
And being able to print today's top stories from AP, doesn't  entirely add
to the feeling.

So, that is why I thought of adding such a feature to the new HeavyMetal.
Another reason would be because it implies no mods to the software... just
using what is already there.

Now... giving a second thought to fraud... well probably it would be even
better to have these online as text in a single site, easily accessible by
search engines... as it would allow to add a huge warning to people wishing
to buy those things. Adding exposure to these things is usually better.
Those buyers who make a minimum effort to search internet could be benefited
from this.

Regards!

Javier Albinarrate








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Lancashire" <xyzzypdx at gmail.com>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Historial archive


>I wonder if there are any real paper ones out there ?
>
> Fakes that I've seen or read about
>
> The worst was a Kennedy assignation on fresh white paper. A good
> fake was a Perl Harbor on vintage paper but screwed up up by using a
> new ribbon. Something about the ink formula changing since '41.
>
> -pete Just not dishonest enough ...
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Javier <info at lnet.com.ar> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> While looking at Internet, I came into an "idea", and I would be glad if
>> I can get some feedback from you all.
>> I haven't found anything similar, but that may be just because I suck at
>> searching... :)
>>
>> Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest
>> telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been
>> transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.
>>
>> There are a few of these, scanned on the internet, for example, the ones
>> related to Kennedy's assassination, some about the EBS system, an who 
>> knows
>> what else.
>> I would basically transcript them into txt files, and make them
>> available on a website, and also on the HeavyMetal v3 which is being 
>> baked
>> in the oven right now.
>>
>> What do you think?
>> Was this ever done?
>> Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?
>>
>> Regards!!
>>
>> Javier Albinarrate
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From james at al7rv.net  Sun Jun 20 04:33:21 2010
From: james at al7rv.net (Jim Cook)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:33:21 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
References: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
Message-ID: <4C1DD251.3030507@al7rv.net>

On 6/21/2010 18:30, Javier wrote:
>     Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?
>
>      Regards!!
>
> Javier Albinarrate
>    
Hello,

I'm the Trick Chief at a few of the Commcenter-X groups.  We have several
'channels' that are simulations of  TTY traffic from back in the Days Of 
Glory for
for the members.

Two of the channels will work with the Heavymetal FTP option.  One of the
channels is Army concentric and the other Navy and Coast Guard.  A few
of the member of the Commcenter-1 Yahoo group try to keep traffic on
the channels.  The traffic varies from 10 to 45 minutes or more of traffic
that is free for us to 're-post'.   It's all in TTY UPPER case and the 
message
'pokers' try to make sure that none of the non-tty characters get into the
the messages.

You can use this as the FTP link.

Army:  HTTP://WWW.COMMCENTER-8.NET/MESSAGES.TXT

Navy: HTTP://WWW.COMMCENTER-8.NET/CC-9-MESSAGES.TXT

The web links for the pages are:

Army www.commcenter-8.net
Navy www.commcenter-8.net/cc-9/

A few of the guys are submitting MIL traffic from the Vietnam era and a 
few are
re-posting current Navy, Marine, and Coast Guard message traffic that 
has been
released for internet transmission and retransmission.

Hope they work for you.

--
JimC  -- AL7RV


From james at al7rv.net  Sun Jun 20 04:41:53 2010
From: james at al7rv.net (Jim Cook)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:41:53 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Commcenter-8/9
In-Reply-To: <4C1DD251.3030507@al7rv.net>
References: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
	<4C1DD251.3030507@al7rv.net>
Message-ID: <4C1DD451.6050808@al7rv.net>

Guys!

RE:

www.commcenter-8.net
www.commcenter-8.net/cc-9/

The Commcenters pages are 'work in progress' and as such may
have more then a few issues and be a bit rough around the edges
as they say.  At the present we are fighting formatting issues
with some of the editors the guys are using.  We will get all the
little issues worked pit we grow the pages and traffic functions.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.

--
JimC

From info at lnet.com.ar  Mon Jun 21 16:35:16 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:35:16 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
References: <00f301cb116f$e4382d40$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
	<4C1DD251.3030507@al7rv.net>
Message-ID: <015801cb1181$43f23030$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Thanks Jim!

This is good stuff, I will check how we can implement this as channels 
instead of simply dumping the entire file.
Regards!

Javier Albinarrate

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cook" <james at al7rv.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Historial archive


> On 6/21/2010 18:30, Javier wrote:
>>     Can anybody here provide something? Links, texts, whatever?
>>
>>      Regards!!
>>
>> Javier Albinarrate
>>
> Hello,
>
> I'm the Trick Chief at a few of the Commcenter-X groups.  We have several
> 'channels' that are simulations of  TTY traffic from back in the Days Of
> Glory for
> for the members.
>
> Two of the channels will work with the Heavymetal FTP option.  One of the
> channels is Army concentric and the other Navy and Coast Guard.  A few
> of the member of the Commcenter-1 Yahoo group try to keep traffic on
> the channels.  The traffic varies from 10 to 45 minutes or more of traffic
> that is free for us to 're-post'.   It's all in TTY UPPER case and the
> message
> 'pokers' try to make sure that none of the non-tty characters get into the
> the messages.
>
> You can use this as the FTP link.
>
> Army:  HTTP://WWW.COMMCENTER-8.NET/MESSAGES.TXT
>
> Navy: HTTP://WWW.COMMCENTER-8.NET/CC-9-MESSAGES.TXT
>
> The web links for the pages are:
>
> Army www.commcenter-8.net
> Navy www.commcenter-8.net/cc-9/
>
> A few of the guys are submitting MIL traffic from the Vietnam era and a
> few are
> re-posting current Navy, Marine, and Coast Guard message traffic that
> has been
> released for internet transmission and retransmission.
>
> Hope they work for you.
>
> --
> JimC  -- AL7RV
>
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From dmm at lemur.com  Mon Jun 21 16:59:24 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:59:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Historial archive
Message-ID: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>


Javier wrote:
>Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest 
>telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been 
>transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.

The military comm feeds mentioned are quite interesting (if more than
a bit unsettling for the non-simulated ones - reading of current deaths).

I'm wondering, following up on Javier's thought, whether any 
civilian wire service data survive?   As my Teletype interest
comes via Linotypes, I'd love to see samples of AP or other wire
service feeds as they would have been received by a newspaper.
I'm thinking here more of the everyday news, not necessarily 
of significant events.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From james at al7rv.net  Sun Jun 20 05:19:49 2010
From: james at al7rv.net (Jim Cook)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:19:49 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <4C1DDD35.8070202@al7rv.net>

On 6/21/2010 20:59, dmm at lemur.com wrote:
> I'd love to see samples of AP or other wire
> service feeds as they would have been received by a newspaper.
> I'm thinking here more of the everyday news, not necessarily
> of significant events.
>    
David,

One of our 'sister' commcenter-X sites has a NEWS Wire channel
simulation. The news is current (well kind of current <grin>)
and is much like what I remember seeing on the AP wire at
the station I worked at in the 60s.

Check out:

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/news/news.html


The root page for the site is at:

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/

Commcenter-5 hosts a number of weather, earthquake and
Spanish language channels.

He does have the text files as links on that page... I'm not
sure about the CASE of the file names and as such I'm not
sure about them working with HEAVYMETAL (I know very
little about that great software!)

Enjoy..   And yes the notices are unsettling but they serve
as a reminder to all of us what the true cost of Human
conflicts are.

--
JimC AKA Highrange & AL7RV


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 21 17:18:32 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:18:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>

Some years back I was looking for machine readable old news, and seems
like somebody was selling floppy disks containing AP news stories.

Of course the tragedy is that from the beginning of the Teletype era
all the news of the world was punched into paper tape, but presumably
was tossed out as soon as the tape had been transmitted.



From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 17:22:04 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:22:04 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOmcjoJ3estItzEpZh9deRmnV2fuh3KE_-MQLZ@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if the news wires used store and forward since it was 'news'

Any doc's on the web how AP/UP/etc "broadcast" to their 1000's of subscribers ?





On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Some years back I was looking for machine readable old news, and seems
> like somebody was selling floppy disks containing AP news stories.
>
> Of course the tragedy is that from the beginning of the Teletype era
> all the news of the world was punched into paper tape, but presumably
> was tossed out as soon as the tape had been transmitted.
>
>
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From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Mon Jun 21 17:37:56 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:37:56 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
Message-ID: <4C1FDBB4.3010604@eskimo.com>

Hey Jimmers;

You might consider going to the New York Times website and checking
out the vintage news. I believe you have to pay a small fee to get
stuff.

You could download the stories onto your computer and then print
them to the Teleype machine.

Would probably bring great delight at your next wine-and-cheese
party. You could print some of the stories from bygone eras - like
great sports wins, asasinations, wars, elections, etc.

OK - now for something important.

I'm inventing an antenna for my radio station. I say "inventing"
because all my books are still packed away - so I went to Home Depot,
got a 2' PVC pipe, some rebar wire, and an SO-239. I'm gonng wrap
the pipe with the wire and see if I can get on 160M. I buried a
10' radius of wire for a ground plane.

Meanwhile, I ran out of solder.

Does anyone know where I can get one of those $1,000 rolls I keep
hearing about on eBay?

UE
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

Jim Haynes wrote:
> Some years back I was looking for machine readable old news, and seems
> like somebody was selling floppy disks containing AP news stories.
> 
> Of course the tragedy is that from the beginning of the Teletype era
> all the news of the world was punched into paper tape, but presumably
> was tossed out as soon as the tape had been transmitted.
> 
-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | There is nothing that would tear my heart
                  | apart more than to look at my dog, whose
                  | heart harbors nothing but pure love, and
                  | have him cower before me.
                  |                          - Tony J. Podrasky

From info at lnet.com.ar  Mon Jun 21 17:39:18 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:39:18 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
Message-ID: <01a101cb118a$35cc4690$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Just for the record

> He does have the text files as links on that page... I'm not
> sure about the CASE of the file names and as such I'm not
> sure about them working with HEAVYMETAL (I know very
> little about that great software!)

Nothing to worry about the case, or unsupported characters. The software 
will simply convert everything for those devices using 5 bit,  and worst 
case would be missing some unsupported figures, being them translated into 
spaces.

Regards!

Javier Albinarrate
LU8AJA 


From die at dieconsulting.com  Mon Jun 21 17:43:53 2010
From: die at dieconsulting.com (David I. Emery)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:43:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <20100621214353.GA5502@pig.dieconsulting.com>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 03:59:24PM -0500, dmm at lemur.com wrote:
> 
> Javier wrote:
> >Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest 
> >telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been 
> >transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.
> 
> The military comm feeds mentioned are quite interesting (if more than
> a bit unsettling for the non-simulated ones - reading of current deaths).
> 
> I'm wondering, following up on Javier's thought, whether any 
> civilian wire service data survive?   As my Teletype interest
> comes via Linotypes, I'd love to see samples of AP or other wire
> service feeds as they would have been received by a newspaper.
> I'm thinking here more of the everyday news, not necessarily 
> of significant events.

	At one time I had some actual audiotape of the UPI FDM-FSK vft
tty mux low speed radio and newspaper wire distribution circuit as it
reached the UPI machine at our college radio station in the late 60s,
but I am not sure I could find it or a 1/4 reel to reel tape machine to
play it.   One of those I haven't looked at it in 40+ years items in a
box somewhere.

-- 
  Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, die at dieconsulting.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493
"An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten
'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in 
celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."


From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Mon Jun 21 17:55:11 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:55:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<20100621214353.GA5502@pig.dieconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <031001cb118c$71029780$6401a8c0@inet>

Now how cool would that be!!
Congrats on the upgrade Dave.

UE
Ron
K0IDT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David I. Emery" <die at dieconsulting.com>
To: <dmm at lemur.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Historial archive


> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 03:59:24PM -0500, dmm at lemur.com wrote:
> > 
> > Javier wrote:
> > >Basically what I thought, was to have an archive of historical interest 
> > >telegrams/news reports/EBS broadcasts/whatever, etc which may have been 
> > >transmitted over teletypes at some point of history.
> > 
> > The military comm feeds mentioned are quite interesting (if more than
> > a bit unsettling for the non-simulated ones - reading of current deaths).
> > 
> > I'm wondering, following up on Javier's thought, whether any 
> > civilian wire service data survive?   As my Teletype interest
> > comes via Linotypes, I'd love to see samples of AP or other wire
> > service feeds as they would have been received by a newspaper.
> > I'm thinking here more of the everyday news, not necessarily 
> > of significant events.
> 
> At one time I had some actual audiotape of the UPI FDM-FSK vft
> tty mux low speed radio and newspaper wire distribution circuit as it
> reached the UPI machine at our college radio station in the late 60s,
> but I am not sure I could find it or a 1/4 reel to reel tape machine to
> play it.   One of those I haven't looked at it in 40+ years items in a
> box somewhere.
> 
> -- 
>   Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, die at dieconsulting.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493
> "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten
> 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in 
> celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."
> 
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Mon Jun 21 18:12:19 2010
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:12:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <20100621214353.GA5502@pig.dieconsulting.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<20100621214353.GA5502@pig.dieconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000301cb118e$d12c4a00$7384de00$@net>

If you can find the tape, I can digitize it for you.  I have a 1/4"
reel to reel tape machine connected to my computer to convert analog
audio to digital audio.

Let me know if you are interested.

Joe
N9VMO


	At one time I had some actual audiotape of the UPI FDM-FSK vft
tty mux low speed radio and newspaper wire distribution circuit as it
reached the UPI machine at our college radio station in the late 60s,
but I am not sure I could find it or a 1/4 reel to reel tape machine
to
play it.   One of those I haven't looked at it in 40+ years items in a
box somewhere.

-- 
  Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, die at dieconsulting.com  DIE Consulting, Weston,
Mass 02493
"An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten
'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted
pole - in 
celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now
either."


From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 18:20:58 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:20:58 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
Message-ID: <81258.6544b085.39513fca@aol.com>

David and the Group:

To echo further what Jim C has mentioned about the CommCenter Groups
various Virtual Circuits and feeds:

http://commcenter-8.net

This one handles primarily military-styled narrative (teletype) traffic
in the old torn tape, or TAPE RELAY format called ACP-127. An ACP is an
Allied Communications Publication, which is a standardized NATO commo
reference manual. In the case of ACP-127, it provides formatting 
instructions
for messages being processed thru the (former) worldwide, integrated tape
relay networks.

Tape Relay was a manual or semi-automatic system in a day before computers.
It was the US miltary's backbone message handling system from the 1940s
thru about 1968. Tape Relays were encrypted using KW-26 (Romulus),
KW-7 (Orestes) and other cryptographic systems in their later years (50s
and 60s).

The teletype sounds are from a Model 28 printer operating at 60 wpm (45.5 
opm).

CommCenter-8 (CC-8) features a US Army 1st Signal Brigade Technical
Control Monitor Position on 1SAT at the Major Relay Station in Korat, 
Thailand
during the Vietnam War era. Tech Control would have been operated by
the 442nd Signal Battalion of the 1st Signal Brigade, US Army Strategic
Communications Command (USASTRATCOM), South East Asia. (Today,
the 1st Signal Brigade is located in S. Korea supporting the 8th Army).

http://commcenter-8.net/cc-9

This one is a US Navy/Coast Guard combined Fleet Broadcast emulator
using Radio Teletype as the basic methodology. Again, all simulated. It's
primary purpose is to transmit Naval/Coast Guard/nautical/sea oriented/
NAVTEX and like-type material in any Fleet Broadcast-acceptable format.

Fleet Broadcast is a manual system, generally fed by a Navy Fleet Service
Station that was shore based. Ships at sea were required to copy Fleet
Broadcasts for the geograpic areas in which they were operating.

These broadcasts would have been encrypted using the KWR-37s (Jason)
crytpo systems.

Some messaging formats would have included:

ACP-126, Radio Teletype
ACP-127, Tape Relay (DCSTTYNET)
JANAP 128, AUTODIN (Automatic Digitial Network)
NAVTEX 
WMOGTS (International Weather and Synoptic Data)
AFOS (US Weather)
Non-formatted Press reports

Most Fleet Broadcast traffic went by HF radio

This link is a compromise between RATT (Radio Teletype) and SITOR-B
which is used for NAVTEX transmissions. We preferred to stay with RATT
for nostalgia purposes, since SITOR-B was a modern application. The sound
tracks on CC-9 are a Model 28 teletype and the AFSK tones are from a real
60 wpm radio teletype operation.

None of the teletype functions and sounds are synchronized. One must
remember that they are only emulators or simulators and are neither real
nor perfect teletype machines. Nothing really takes the place of a genuine
piece of iron. The Virtual Circuits on the CommCenter Groups run on Java,
so you will have to make sure that Java is enabled on your system in order
to copy the traffic.

CommCenter-5 is an amalgamation of several Virtual Circuits, none of
which are in true CommCenter format. They are generally feeds in RSS
or SMS formats, and all vary from link to link (depending on source).

CommCenter-5 (CC-5) is not set up for use with Heavy Metal.

These include the following links of potential interest:

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/acp/

60 wpm simulated TTY with real Earthquake Reports traffic from USGS.
Only quakes with a magnitude of 5.0 or greater are submitted to CC-5
via automatic feed conversion from USGS.

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/weather/combined.html

Combined Weather 100 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/weather/highseas.html

High Seas Forecasts 100 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/weather/hurricane.html

Hurricane/Tropical Storms 100 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/offshore.html

Offshore Forecasts 100 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/seasurge.html

Sea Surge Forecasts 100 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/weather/tsunami.html

Tsunami Warnings 100 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/news/news.html

News, English, 60 wpm

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/news/spanish.html

News, Spanish, 60 wpm

There are also three (3) CW (Morse Code) Receive Only links for those who
want to copy or maintain their CW capabilty at 15 wpm:

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/morse/earthquake.html

Earthquake Reports

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/morse/weather.html

High Seas Weather

http://commcenter-5.cellmail.com/morse/tsunami.html

Note that not all links are working all of the time and not all traffic
on all links is necessarily current. We continue to seek out and update
as new links become available. Links often fail, and we strive to keep
them running (which at times becomes difficult!).

Also, the CommCenter Group works in ZULU time. You can set your ZULU
clock here:

http://zulutime.net/

Military traffic was always sent using ZULU time (CUT, formerly GMT and
the 24 hour clock is used.

You can also check ZULU time here:

US Naval Observatory Alternate Master Clock
Tel:     (719) 567-6742
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/

(Very nice and detailed site)

For added realism and for those who may have worked in the CommCenter
environment, consider opening 2, 3 or 4 browers at the same time for
different URLs (links). The cacophony of multiple teletype sounds might
bring back memories of busy terminals, tape relays or fleet service 
stations
once more for your enjoyment and pleasure.

Hope everyone enjoys the circuits; feedback always appreciated!

Dave F
CommCenter Groups

 

From james at al7rv.net  Sun Jun 20 07:10:55 2010
From: james at al7rv.net (Jim Cook)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:10:55 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] AP/UP/etc "broadcast"
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOmcjoJ3estItzEpZh9deRmnV2fuh3KE_-MQLZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
	<AANLkTinOmcjoJ3estItzEpZh9deRmnV2fuh3KE_-MQLZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C1DF73F.3000207@al7rv.net>

On 6/21/2010 21:22, Pete Lancashire wrote:
> Any doc's on the web how AP/UP/etc "broadcast" to their 1000's of subscribers ?
>
>    

I worked in an AT&T Toll Test office in a major city
for years.  We had dozens of TTY loops on 'wet' cable
pairs and many more loops using Western Electric
43A telegraph carrier for the distribution of the wire
services.

The very interesting thing for me was the way the circuit
was 'multi-pointed'.  The receive channel keyed a 20ma
130volt loop.  The loop had resistor taps (2.2K I think)
that sent the voltage to the grid of a tube in a device
called a HUB driver.  The driver keyed the local wet cable
pair (20/60ma) or it keyed a voltage into the 43A channel
unit for transmission to the sub (by tones)..

All very interesting to a guy that worked 20ma and 60ma
loops in the Army. The concept of sensing the keyed
voltage seem novel me at the time (hey I was a kid!)<smile>

IE.... at AT&T 'we did it with LOTS of tubes!'

Some time during the mid to late 70's AT&T (and other
long haul common carriers) lost the distribution of the
wire services.  The providers moved the network over to
satellite.  AFSK continued to be used but now rode as a
sub-carrier on a network voice channel over a satellite
transponder.

--
JimC




From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 19:03:05 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:03:05 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Virtual Circuits
Message-ID: <83ae7.58eb3108.395149a9@aol.com>

All:

For those who are monitoring -- and in reply to those who have asked,
the CommCenter Groups Virtual Circuits operate automatically.

This means that any traffic sent to them queues and then loads up
automatically on the server based on the FIFO principle (FIFO: First in,
First Out). 

Traffic normally runs for 24 hours at a time. After that time, it scrolls
off into never never land. The server does not archive traffic, but 
individual
sending stations (i.e. the various "CommCenters" do keep records of their
own traffic).

The screens refresh after the entire traffic queue has been exhausted 
(transmitted). Any new traffic that may have arrived is then added to
the file and transmitted in the order it was received by the server. In
this manner, the cycle of traffic repeats.

If there is no traffic in the system or in the queue, you will see the
date and time and the notation "No Traffic On The Circuit" or words
to that effect.

Again, any new traffic that is input by any outstation, will be uploaded
at the next refresh sequence automatically. Traffic is subject to arrival
and tramission at any time, since the Virtual Circuits operate in 
traditional
CommCenter "Send At Will" mode.

Only the SYSOP (Tech Control) has control over the Virtual Circuits. 
Individual
operators at out stations do not, and have no control over their traffic
once it has been forwarded to the servers, except by SVC action.

Hope this clairifies,

Dave F


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 21 19:55:47 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:55:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOmcjoJ3estItzEpZh9deRmnV2fuh3KE_-MQLZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
	<AANLkTinOmcjoJ3estItzEpZh9deRmnV2fuh3KE_-MQLZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211854400.2941@localhost>

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Pete Lancashire wrote:

> Not sure if the news wires used store and forward since it was 'news'
>
> Any doc's on the web how AP/UP/etc "broadcast" to their 1000's of subscribers ?
>
I've seen pictures of the sending end of a wire service.  They definitely
used tape, so that they could keep the wire busy at all times (and
rubout errors if such were detected by the keyboard operators).

From die at dieconsulting.com  Mon Jun 21 21:54:50 2010
From: die at dieconsulting.com (David I. Emery)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:54:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211854400.2941@localhost>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211616180.2825@localhost>
	<AANLkTinOmcjoJ3estItzEpZh9deRmnV2fuh3KE_-MQLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1006211854400.2941@localhost>
Message-ID: <20100622015450.GA12533@pig.dieconsulting.com>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 06:55:47PM -0500, Jim Haynes wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Pete Lancashire wrote:
> 
> > Not sure if the news wires used store and forward since it was 'news'
> >
> > Any doc's on the web how AP/UP/etc "broadcast" to their 1000's of subscribers ?
> >
> I've seen pictures of the sending end of a wire service.  They definitely
> used tape, so that they could keep the wire busy at all times (and
> rubout errors if such were detected by the keyboard operators).

	A college friend of mine actually developed the first software
system UPI used to replace torn tape with a computer (IBM 360) driving
the wires. This morphed quite quickly into computerized text editing for
preparing stories and "high speed" 1200 baud FSK distibution of such in
ASCII as well as Baudot.



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"An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten
'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in 
celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."


From froggy at thefrogfaceplace.com  Mon Jun 21 22:00:01 2010
From: froggy at thefrogfaceplace.com (Rod Lannon)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:00:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Virtual Circuits
In-Reply-To: <83ae7.58eb3108.395149a9@aol.com>
References: <83ae7.58eb3108.395149a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C201921.20801@thefrogfaceplace.com>

All:

Due to the recent separation of commcenter-2.net
from the commcenter1 at yahoo groups, it is important
to let you know that virtual MODE 1 emulator is still
running and accepting messages.

You can see the message emulator at:
http://www.commcenter-2.net/opnet.html

If you are a former commcenter operator,worked
in an ASC, crypto, or any other comm center related
MOS, Rate, or AFSC you are welcome to send traffic to us at:
RUCICSA at commcenter-2.net

If you prefer to just see the  text file visit:
http://www.commcenter-2.net/messages.txt

Our anonymous FTP is currently down due to security
concerns.

Don't forget you can also check out the media center, which is
chock full of pictures, pdf files, and material is always being added.
Might I also invite your teletype contributions (pics, pdfs, etc).
They may be send to
webmaster at commcenter-2.net

Please note I am no longer associated with Commcenter1 at yahoogroups.
We simply had to part ways due to differences that could not be worked
out. I still recommend the site on CC-2. The owner of the site
has a goldmine of comm center history.

Thank You,

Rod Laannon





NNN7DXB at aol.com wrote:
> All:
>
> For those who are monitoring -- and in reply to those who have asked,
> the CommCenter Groups Virtual Circuits operate automatically.
>
> This means that any traffic sent to them queues and then loads up
> automatically on the server based on the FIFO principle (FIFO: First in,
> First Out). 
>
> Traffic normally runs for 24 hours at a time. After that time, it scrolls
> off into never never land. The server does not archive traffic, but 
> individual
> sending stations (i.e. the various "CommCenters" do keep records of their
> own traffic).
>
> The screens refresh after the entire traffic queue has been exhausted 
> (transmitted). Any new traffic that may have arrived is then added to
> the file and transmitted in the order it was received by the server. In
> this manner, the cycle of traffic repeats.
>
> If there is no traffic in the system or in the queue, you will see the
> date and time and the notation "No Traffic On The Circuit" or words
> to that effect.
>
> Again, any new traffic that is input by any outstation, will be uploaded
> at the next refresh sequence automatically. Traffic is subject to arrival
> and tramission at any time, since the Virtual Circuits operate in 
> traditional
> CommCenter "Send At Will" mode.
>
> Only the SYSOP (Tech Control) has control over the Virtual Circuits. 
> Individual
> operators at out stations do not, and have no control over their traffic
> once it has been forwarded to the servers, except by SVC action.
>
> Hope this clairifies,
>
> Dave F
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
>   


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 21 22:46:46 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:46:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <4C202416.8070606@bellsouth.net>

I sit here reading these posts about news service feeds - 
and I'm
absolutely amazed... are Sherry and I the only two here old 
enough to
have actually received such feeds - and still have copies of 
them?
Admittedly - we didn't keep many - but still - enough to 
have the
"actual format" for many of the services...   When we were 
in Guam and
had our system set up - (Mar 1973 - October 1975) - we 
received hundreds
of news stories from UPI and Reuters; along with many from 
AP and
several "foreign" services.  I'll have to dig them out - 
I'll post some
scans of them.

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com



From info at lnet.com.ar  Mon Jun 21 23:56:53 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:56:53 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<4C202416.8070606@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <020a01cb11be$f52f0930$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Hi guys,

    Well, I didn't expect to trigger all this attention :) and I can sense a 
GREAT outcome for this.
    I'll see if the next weekend I can put up something on the website, to 
receive and handle the wires.
    And with some photoshop and OCR perhaps we can get things done not so 
painfully.

    Regards!!

Javier Albinarrate
LU8AJA


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 22 04:05:46 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 03:05:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <4C202416.8070606@bellsouth.net>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<4C202416.8070606@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4C206EDA.1040908@bellsouth.net>

Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
> I'll have to dig them out - I'll post some scans of them.
>   
A few I've found so far are posted here:

http://comcents.com/tty/ttynews.html

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From dmm at lemur.com  Tue Jun 22 09:55:12 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:55:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Historial archive
Message-ID: <201006221349.ABD92930@rg7.cniteam.com>


>Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
>> I'll have to dig them out - I'll post some scans of them.
>A few I've found so far are posted here:
>http://comcents.com/tty/ttynews.html

THANKS!

In this page, you wrote:
>With some analysis, etc. we can probably figure out the info abreviated 
>in the header, etc. 

The "AP Style Book for Teletypesetter Circuits," which is online at:

http://www.hotmetalservices.com/downloadable_documents.htm

has one example of a header for a TTS (not TTY) story, explained.
There must have been a similar AP book for 5-level TTY, but I'm unaware
of it.  They did use "eyeball" sequences intended to be readable
on the tape (for the story numbers).  Sam Hallas has a good writeup
about these at:
http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/eyeball.htm


Thanks again for both the scans and your commentary/analysis.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold



From info at lnet.com.ar  Tue Jun 22 10:53:27 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:53:27 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fw:   Historial archive
Message-ID: <028201cb121a$adee33f0$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Just a note about the HeavyMetal v3

> From: <dmm at lemur.com>
> They did use "eyeball" sequences intended to be readable
> on the tape (for the story numbers).  Sam Hallas has a good writeup
> about these at:
> http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/eyeball.htm

It does have a LABEL command, where you simply enter the text, and it allows 
you to print an eyeball label in the tape.

Regards!

Javier Albinarrate
LU8AJA


From weeksh at att.net  Tue Jun 22 18:35:17 2010
From: weeksh at att.net (Howard Weeks)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:35:17 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <4C202416.8070606@bellsouth.net>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>,
	<4C202416.8070606@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4C210265.26.166631@weeksh.att.net>

Unfortunately (;}), I have been involved in about all of it.  Begin 
copying AP/UPI/Reuters/TASS on a M15 in 1959.  Was running the Mars 
Station at Fort Polk, La. in 1963 when Kennedy was assasinated.  Had 
long prints from both AP and UPI for years.  May still have them but 
I have no idea where they may be.  Probably gone.  

Have run / managed torn tape as well as Autodin comm centers.  Same 
goes for torn tape relays as well as Autodin Switching Centers.  
Europe and Vietnam.  

I do not get too excited about it but it is nice to see that a 
facsimilie (SP) is available on the internet.  Retired Army Sig 
Corps.

Howard (K5JCP) in GA

On 21 Jun 2010 at 21:46, Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:

> I sit here reading these posts about news service feeds - 
> and I'm
> absolutely amazed... are Sherry and I the only two here old 
> enough to
> have actually received such feeds - and still have copies of 
> them?
> Admittedly - we didn't keep many - but still - enough to 
> have the
> "actual format" for many of the services...   When we were 
> in Guam and
> had our system set up - (Mar 1973 - October 1975) - we 
> received hundreds
> of news stories from UPI and Reuters; along with many from 
> AP and
> several "foreign" services.  I'll have to dig them out - 
> I'll post some
> scans of them.
> 
> best regards...
> 
> -- 
> randy guttery
> 
> A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
> so vital to the United States Silent Service:
> http://tendertale.com
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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Howard Weeks
Harlem, GA 
K5JCP

From jjc at oceanviewcom.com  Tue Jun 22 18:42:46 2010
From: jjc at oceanviewcom.com (Jim Conrad)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:42:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historial archive
In-Reply-To: <20100621214353.GA5502@pig.dieconsulting.com>
References: <201006212053.CXV87017@rg6.cniteam.com>
	<20100621214353.GA5502@pig.dieconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20100622224245.D6385E38016@smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>

Dave,

I believe I have a 1/4 inch deck around here someplace so if you can 
find the tape I can digitize it.

..Jim

At 05:43 PM 6/21/2010, David I. Emery wrote:
>         At one time I had some actual audiotape of the UPI FDM-FSK vft
>tty mux low speed radio and newspaper wire distribution circuit as it
>reached the UPI machine at our college radio station in the late 60s,
>but I am not sure I could find it or a 1/4 reel to reel tape machine to
>play it.   One of those I haven't looked at it in 40+ years items in a
>box somewhere.

<:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:>
         Jim Conrad - jjc at oceanviewcom.com
           757-560-5970 - 757-457-7709 Fax
  CAGE 0UD60 - http://www.oceanviewcom.com 


From wa3frp at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 07:04:06 2010
From: wa3frp at aol.com (wa3frp at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:04:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Happy 40th Birthday SARTG
Message-ID: <8CCE0DAEECCD1C3-1424-6B2C@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>

I received this message from Charlie, SM4RDG:

 
"...The Scandinavian Amateur Radio Teleprinter Group (SARTG) celebrates their 40th anniversary this year and the 40th SARTG WW RTTY-Contest. To commemorate this anniversary, on August 21 - 22, SARTG plans to operate from OJ0 Market Reef. The callsign is OJ0/SARTG. Please spread this info in US Russ. Best 73 de SM4RGD  Charlie..."


Thanks and 73 Russ WA3FRP




From al at ar88.net  Wed Jun 23 21:20:31 2010
From: al at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:20:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
Message-ID: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>

Greetings,

I'm new to the list.  I am currently involved is setting up a WWII 
Signal Corps display at The Radio Technology Museum at InfoAge located 
at the site of the Evans Signal laboratory in New Jersey.  See:  
http://www.rtm.ar88.net/

Part of the concept is to emphasize the important role played by 
wire-line communications to include teletype.  We have a Model 19 we're 
resurrecting, and couple more in storage, so we should be OK with hardware.

We'd like to set up a meaningful demonstration to capture the 
imaginations of young people.  It would be really cool if we could text, 
tweet, belch, or whatever it is they do with computers and cellphones 
from a mechanical device.

The "Heavy Metal" software package sounded like a good place to start, 
but when I visited the website, I found the links to the actual software 
to be dead, and the dates suggest this was something that happened 6-8 
years ago.  So, I'm appealing to the TTY experts for suggestion as to 
how to proceed.  Any help appreciated.

Regards,
Al

-- 
Al Klase - N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/


From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 22:40:08 2010
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:40:08 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <8F60E54A-BAE3-4387-ADE9-70C9B96173AF@comcast.net>

I've been in this museum. It is outstanding. I hope you get lots of help, Al.

Bridging the modern (cell phone text messages or whatever) with old school teletypes is a great idea and should really draw in the younger generation.  I look forward to hearing about your project and maybe seeing it next time I am again in New Jersey.

Paul


On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Al Klase wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I'm new to the list.  I am currently involved is setting up a WWII 
> Signal Corps display at The Radio Technology Museum at InfoAge located 
> at the site of the Evans Signal laboratory in New Jersey.  See:  
> http://www.rtm.ar88.net/
> 
> Part of the concept is to emphasize the important role played by 
> wire-line communications to include teletype.  We have a Model 19 we're 
> resurrecting, and couple more in storage, so we should be OK with hardware.
> 
> We'd like to set up a meaningful demonstration to capture the 
> imaginations of young people.  It would be really cool if we could text, 
> tweet, belch, or whatever it is they do with computers and cellphones 
> from a mechanical device.
> 
> The "Heavy Metal" software package sounded like a good place to start, 
> but when I visited the website, I found the links to the actual software 
> to be dead, and the dates suggest this was something that happened 6-8 
> years ago.  So, I'm appealing to the TTY experts for suggestion as to 
> how to proceed.  Any help appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Al
> 
> -- 
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> 
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From teletype at buzbee.net  Wed Jun 23 22:46:02 2010
From: teletype at buzbee.net (Bill Buzbee)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:46:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilQ1tvPY7rQCv8ZpcX3A0pe7MGBJ1ECLdnxBt6H@mail.gmail.com>

Al,
  Sorry about the dead links.  The current version of HeavyMetal is 2.6 and
can be found at:

http://www.homebrewcpu.com/hm_2_6.zip

   There's a README in there with instructions on how to set things up.

   However, you should also be aware that a significant rewrite of
HeavyMetal has been undertaken by another list member - Javier Albinarrate.
 He's added some fantastic new features and pretty soon that version will be
the "official" one going forward.

    Let me know if you have any problems getting version 2.6 going, and
watch this list for info on the new v3 release of HeavyMetal.

...Bill Buzbee


On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Al Klase <al at ar88.net> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm new to the list.  I am currently involved is setting up a WWII
> Signal Corps display at The Radio Technology Museum at InfoAge located
> at the site of the Evans Signal laboratory in New Jersey.  See:
> http://www.rtm.ar88.net/
>
> Part of the concept is to emphasize the important role played by
> wire-line communications to include teletype.  We have a Model 19 we're
> resurrecting, and couple more in storage, so we should be OK with hardware.
>
> We'd like to set up a meaningful demonstration to capture the
> imaginations of young people.  It would be really cool if we could text,
> tweet, belch, or whatever it is they do with computers and cellphones
> from a mechanical device.
>
> The "Heavy Metal" software package sounded like a good place to start,
> but when I visited the website, I found the links to the actual software
> to be dead, and the dates suggest this was something that happened 6-8
> years ago.  So, I'm appealing to the TTY experts for suggestion as to
> how to proceed.  Any help appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Al
>
> --
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
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From info at lnet.com.ar  Wed Jun 23 22:56:49 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:56:49 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <040901cb1348$efd55620$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Hi Al,

        I have been making a new version of HeavyMetal in the last 2 months, 
with an absolute rewrite of it.
        I got in contact with Bill Buzbee, the original developer, and we 
are currently in a beta phase, and the idea is to release it as open source 
in sourceforge or some site like that.

        This new version has the features of the old one, plus quite an 
amount of new stuff.
        Just to name a few:
- Multisession, works similar to a chat server, allowing to broadcaste 
messages to its sessions, or to chat with a speciffic session
- Telnet as client to other systems
- Telnet server to be accessed by any telnet client
- Telnet to another HeavyMetal, and pipe the connection (i.e. connect two 
TTYs over internet)
- MSN Messenger connectivity to send and receive messages and commands just 
like through telnet or tty
- Tape label with eyeball characters
- Commands can be interactive or issued in a command line fashion
- Now adding different variations of codes is easier than it was
- It should be easy to add other commands, especially to interact to other 
messaging services

        Perhaps you can help me in the tests? Email me.

        Regards!
Javier Albinarrate
LU8AJA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Klase" <al at ar88.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.


> Greetings,
>
> I'm new to the list.  I am currently involved is setting up a WWII
> Signal Corps display at The Radio Technology Museum at InfoAge located
> at the site of the Evans Signal laboratory in New Jersey.  See:
> http://www.rtm.ar88.net/
>
> Part of the concept is to emphasize the important role played by
> wire-line communications to include teletype.  We have a Model 19 we're
> resurrecting, and couple more in storage, so we should be OK with 
> hardware.
>
> We'd like to set up a meaningful demonstration to capture the
> imaginations of young people.  It would be really cool if we could text,
> tweet, belch, or whatever it is they do with computers and cellphones
> from a mechanical device.
>
> The "Heavy Metal" software package sounded like a good place to start,
> but when I visited the website, I found the links to the actual software
> to be dead, and the dates suggest this was something that happened 6-8
> years ago.  So, I'm appealing to the TTY experts for suggestion as to
> how to proceed.  Any help appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Al
>
> -- 
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 00:40:05 2010
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:40:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <007b01cb1357$529bdd20$f7d39760$@net>

Someone has actually done this type of project for a "Steampunk"
exhibition using a M15 and a netbook PC running a version of Linux.

The complete write-up can be found at http://www.aetherltd.com

If you are not wanting to mess with Linux, then I would say wait till
Heavy Metal v3 comes out.

Hope this helps.


Joe Montano
N9VMO


From epvgk at limpoc.com  Thu Jun 24 00:45:26 2010
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:45:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <8F60E54A-BAE3-4387-ADE9-70C9B96173AF@comcast.net>
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
	<8F60E54A-BAE3-4387-ADE9-70C9B96173AF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20100624044526.GA29497@limpoc.com>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 08:40:08PM -0600, Paul Heller wrote:
> I've been in this museum. It is outstanding. I hope you get lots of help, Al.
> 
> Bridging the modern (cell phone text messages or whatever) with old school teletypes is a great idea and should really draw in the younger generation.  I look forward to hearing about your project and maybe seeing it next time I am again in New Jersey.
> 
> Paul
> 

I've just mostly finished a hardware-only version of this actually :) 
Pop in a sim card and send and receive SMS messages on a teletype. 
The dev board has bluetooth and rs232 as well, so maybe a computer link
is in the future as well. It currently handles the ASCII-Baudot conversion,
with shifts, etc.. and the line timing. Entertainingly, the onboard UART
on a modern ARM system-on-chip can still be persuaded to run at 45.45 baud,
5 bits, etc... even with a 48 MHz system clock. :) 

eric

> 
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Al Klase wrote:
> 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > I'm new to the list.  I am currently involved is setting up a WWII 
> > Signal Corps display at The Radio Technology Museum at InfoAge located 
> > at the site of the Evans Signal laboratory in New Jersey.  See:  
> > http://www.rtm.ar88.net/
> > 
> > Part of the concept is to emphasize the important role played by 
> > wire-line communications to include teletype.  We have a Model 19 we're 
> > resurrecting, and couple more in storage, so we should be OK with hardware.
> > 
> > We'd like to set up a meaningful demonstration to capture the 
> > imaginations of young people.  It would be really cool if we could text, 
> > tweet, belch, or whatever it is they do with computers and cellphones 
> > from a mechanical device.
> > 
> > The "Heavy Metal" software package sounded like a good place to start, 
> > but when I visited the website, I found the links to the actual software 
> > to be dead, and the dates suggest this was something that happened 6-8 
> > years ago.  So, I'm appealing to the TTY experts for suggestion as to 
> > how to proceed.  Any help appreciated.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Al
> > 
> > -- 
> > Al Klase - N3FRQ
> > Jersey City, NJ
> > http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> > 
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > 
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu Jun 24 07:06:05 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:06:05 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE WRITER SET AN/VGC -504(V)
Message-ID: <4C2311ED.18957.506E26@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I was fortunate enough to get the above machine listed on:

"http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280525545
112"

It is over in Dartmouth, and should be here tomorrow. I was 
able to arrange with a tractor trailer driver I know to 
pick it up when he is doing his Halifax run tonight, and as 
long as the seller manages to meet up with the trailer 
tonight, it should arrive here while I am at work tonight.

If it does, I will put more details on it on my page 
tomorrow.

What I do know about it:

The seller has a number of these which he bought at a 
Government auction. They are all in good shape according to 
the seller.

I asked what type of paper they use - he is not sure, but I 
should be able to tell you all when it comes. The one he is 
shipping has paper in it, and also has a punch included. 
Apparently not all do.

I wil let you all know more details when it arrives!

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Thu Jun 24 08:56:20 2010
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:56:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
	<040901cb1348$efd55620$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
Message-ID: <F00C834F7C7C4418BC71473CB330D6C8@STUDY>

Fantastic!  Were you able to accommodate Windows 7, the lack of a built in 
serial port and the other inconveniences of the newest PCs?

PDW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Javier" <info at lnet.com.ar>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.


> Hi Al,
>
>        I have been making a new version of HeavyMetal in the last 2 
> months,
> with an absolute rewrite of it.
>        I got in contact with Bill Buzbee, the original developer, and we
> are currently in a beta phase, and the idea is to release it as open 
> source
> in sourceforge or some site like that.
>
>        This new version has the features of the old one, plus quite an
> amount of new stuff.
>        Just to name a few:
> - Multisession, works similar to a chat server, allowing to broadcaste
> messages to its sessions, or to chat with a speciffic session
> - Telnet as client to other systems
> - Telnet server to be accessed by any telnet client
> - Telnet to another HeavyMetal, and pipe the connection (i.e. connect two
> TTYs over internet)
> - MSN Messenger connectivity to send and receive messages and commands 
> just
> like through telnet or tty
> - Tape label with eyeball characters
> - Commands can be interactive or issued in a command line fashion
> - Now adding different variations of codes is easier than it was
> - It should be easy to add other commands, especially to interact to other
> messaging services
>
>        Perhaps you can help me in the tests? Email me.
>
>        Regards!
> Javier Albinarrate
> LU8AJA
>
> 

From info at lnet.com.ar  Thu Jun 24 10:46:58 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:46:58 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net><040901cb1348$efd55620$0b0aa8c0@michelle>
	<F00C834F7C7C4418BC71473CB330D6C8@STUDY>
Message-ID: <042101cb13ac$1a9d9a30$0b0aa8c0@michelle>

Hi Paul,

    I haven't even tried it in Win7, because I don't have one. I really 
don't know if allowio (http://www.beyondlogic.org/porttalk/porttalk.htm) 
works for Win7, that is the key to everything.
    I've been using it in Win98 and WinXP.
    As for USB COM ports, they should work just fine, but configuring them 
can be tricky.

    Regards!

Javier Albinarrate
LU8AJA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Wills" <pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com>
To: "Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.


> Fantastic!  Were you able to accommodate Windows 7, the lack of a built in
> serial port and the other inconveniences of the newest PCs?
>
> PDW
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Javier" <info at lnet.com.ar>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
>
>
>> Hi Al,
>>
>>        I have been making a new version of HeavyMetal in the last 2
>> months,
>> with an absolute rewrite of it.
>>        I got in contact with Bill Buzbee, the original developer, and we
>> are currently in a beta phase, and the idea is to release it as open
>> source
>> in sourceforge or some site like that.
>>
>>        This new version has the features of the old one, plus quite an
>> amount of new stuff.
>>        Just to name a few:
>> - Multisession, works similar to a chat server, allowing to broadcaste
>> messages to its sessions, or to chat with a speciffic session
>> - Telnet as client to other systems
>> - Telnet server to be accessed by any telnet client
>> - Telnet to another HeavyMetal, and pipe the connection (i.e. connect two
>> TTYs over internet)
>> - MSN Messenger connectivity to send and receive messages and commands
>> just
>> like through telnet or tty
>> - Tape label with eyeball characters
>> - Commands can be interactive or issued in a command line fashion
>> - Now adding different variations of codes is easier than it was
>> - It should be easy to add other commands, especially to interact to 
>> other
>> messaging services
>>
>>        Perhaps you can help me in the tests? Email me.
>>
>>        Regards!
>> Javier Albinarrate
>> LU8AJA
>>
>>
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From xyzzypdx at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 12:06:22 2010
From: xyzzypdx at gmail.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:06:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] newer edition of INDEX OF TELETYPEWRITER ... ?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbXywGmyNAx3pRwz-TtGgx3KcQhT_HoXhAsWRM@mail.gmail.com>

1 OCT 75

I have a PDF of

INDEX OF TELETYPEWRITER,
FACSIMILE AND
ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT
Prepared by
NAVAL ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS ENGINEERING CENTER PORTSMOUTH
N0003978WR85191
This publication supersedes NAVELEX 0967-LP-104-0010
Dated 1 October 1975

Does someone know where there maybe a newer version ?

-pete

From WA5CAB at cs.com  Thu Jun 24 12:26:18 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:26:18 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] newer edition of INDEX OF TELETYPEWRITER ... ?
Message-ID: <531ed.6ec91355.3954e12a@cs.com>

Not that I have ever come across.  NAVELEX 0967-lp-104-0010 dtd 12/77 is 
dual numbered as TM 11-5815-610-14.  But neither it nor anything with that 
title shows up on LOGSA.

In a message dated 6/24/2010 11:06:30 AM Central Daylight Time, 
xyzzypdx at gmail.com writes: 
> 1 OCT 75
> 
> I have a PDF of
> 
> INDEX OF TELETYPEWRITER,
> FACSIMILE AND
> ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT
> Prepared by
> NAVAL ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS ENGINEERING CENTER PORTSMOUTH
> N0003978WR85191
> This publication supersedes NAVELEX 0967-LP-104-0010
> Dated 1 October 1975
> 
> Does someone know where there maybe a newer version ?
> 
> -pete

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From al at ar88.net  Thu Jun 24 12:30:31 2010
From: al at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:30:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heavy Metal, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilQ1tvPY7rQCv8ZpcX3A0pe7MGBJ1ECLdnxBt6H@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C22B2DF.2090906@ar88.net>
	<AANLkTilQ1tvPY7rQCv8ZpcX3A0pe7MGBJ1ECLdnxBt6H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C238827.5040507@ar88.net>

Bill and the Gang,

Thanks to everyone who responded.  You guys are going to keep me busy 
for weeks with this stuff. :-)

I'll need to answer some of you individually, but have my head buried in 
the technical stuff at the moment.  I'll keep you posted on how this 
plays out.  Do visit the museum if you find yourself in New Jersey.

Best regards,
Al

On 6/23/2010 10:46 PM, Bill Buzbee wrote:
> Al,
>   Sorry about the dead links.  The current version of HeavyMetal is 
> 2.6 and can be found at:
>
> http://www.homebrewcpu.com/hm_2_6.zip
>
>    There's a README in there with instructions on how to set things up.
>
>    However, you should also be aware that a significant rewrite of 
> HeavyMetal has been undertaken by another list member - Javier 
> Albinarrate.  He's added some fantastic new features and pretty soon 
> that version will be the "official" one going forward.
>
>     Let me know if you have any problems getting version 2.6 going, 
> and watch this list for info on the new v3 release of HeavyMetal.
>
> ...Bill Buzbee
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Al Klase <al at ar88.net 
> <mailto:al at ar88.net>> wrote:
>
>     Greetings,
>
>     I'm new to the list.  I am currently involved is setting up a WWII
>     Signal Corps display at The Radio Technology Museum at InfoAge located
>     at the site of the Evans Signal laboratory in New Jersey.  See:
>     http://www.rtm.ar88.net/
>
>     Part of the concept is to emphasize the important role played by
>     wire-line communications to include teletype.  We have a Model 19
>     we're
>     resurrecting, and couple more in storage, so we should be OK with
>     hardware.
>
>     We'd like to set up a meaningful demonstration to capture the
>     imaginations of young people.  It would be really cool if we could
>     text,
>     tweet, belch, or whatever it is they do with computers and cellphones
>     from a mechanical device.
>
>     The "Heavy Metal" software package sounded like a good place to start,
>     but when I visited the website, I found the links to the actual
>     software
>     to be dead, and the dates suggest this was something that happened 6-8
>     years ago.  So, I'm appealing to the TTY experts for suggestion as to
>     how to proceed.  Any help appreciated.
>
>     Regards,
>     Al
>
>     --
>     Al Klase - N3FRQ
>     Jersey City, NJ
>     http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
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>

-- 
Al Klase - N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/


From steve at telephonepioneer.net  Thu Jun 24 16:00:17 2010
From: steve at telephonepioneer.net (Steve Cichorsky)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:00:17 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
Message-ID: <114CCBF00D264828947C7E977DEDF77A@smtelcoPC>




" Obama said that both he and visiting Russian President Dmitry Medvedev use
> the popular social networking program Twittter. Obama said "we may be able 
> to finally throw away those red phones" that were designed to allow 
> immediate contact between the Kremlin and the White House during the cold 
> war."

 This 1963 article describes the Bell System/WECo/Teletype equipment that 
was
 used to implement the original "Hot Line." IIRC, ITT provided the
 international circuits.

 Steve C.

> 'Hot Line' Opened by U.S. and Soviet to Cut Attack Risk
>
> Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES
>
> Washington, Aug. 30 -- A diplomatic "hot line" between Moscow and 
> Washington went into operation today with the simultaneous clattering of 
> telecommunication machines in the Kremlin and the Pentagon.
> The emergency communications channel is designed to reduce the risk of 
> accidental war. The opening was announced in a one-sentence Defense 
> Department statement:
> "The direct communications link between Washington and Moscow is now 
> operational."
>
> No ceremony accompanied the implementations of one of the few arms control 
> measures that the United States and the Soviet Union, the two major 
> nuclear powers, have been able to agree upon in years of negotiations.
>
> Text Message Is Sent
>
> There was no exchange of official messages. Instead, from Washington went 
> the message used by Teletype operators to test whether a circuit is 
> operating -- "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back 
> 1234567890,"
> Back from Moscow came a similar test message in Russian, which was 
> completely unintelligible to the United States operators but at least 
> showed that all the characters on the Teletype were working correctly.
> After a series of exchanges of such messages, the Pentagon said, it was 
> determined that the link was "completely satisfactory" and it was 
> "declared operational and made available for exchange of official messages 
> between the two Governments."
>
> Now that the link has been established, it will be used only "in time of 
> emergency" and then only for exchange of messages between the two heads of 
> Government.
> The decision to establish the "hot line" is a direct outgrowth of the 
> serious delays that developed in diplomatic communications between the two 
> capitals during the Cuban crisis last fall. Diplomatic messages are now 
> sent over normal commercial channels to the United States and Soviet 
> Embassies in Moscow and Washington.
>
> With the time consumed by transmission, coding and decoding, translation 
> and delivery, hours are often required before a message reaches its 
> destination.
> The direct link, which is available 24 hours a day, will make it possible 
> for the heads of the two Governments to exchange messages in minutes.
>
> A message from President Kennedy to Premier Khrushchev, for example, will 
> be sent to the Washington terminal of the link in the National Military 
> Command Center in the Pentagon. There American Teletype operators will 
> type the message on a teleprinter and a punched tape.
>
> After checking the typed message against the original copy, the Teletype 
> tape will be fed into a Teletype transmitter. As the message goes out, it 
> will be encoded by a "scrambling device" to prevent anyone from reading it 
> at relay points along the 10,000-mile cable circuit.
>
> In Moscow, the message will go through a decoding device and appear on a 
> Teletype machine in the Kremlin near the office of Premier Khrushchev.
>
> Translation Necessary
>
> The plan calls for the United States to transmit messages in English and 
> the Soviet Union in Russian. Thus at each end it will be necessary for the 
> messages to be translated before they can be delivered to the leaders.
> The agreement to establish the link was reached in Geneva June 20, about 
> eight months after the Cuban crisis. The idea had been studied for several 
> years.
> Since June, Soviet and American technicians have been rushing to install 
> the equipment by a Sept. 1 deadline.
>
> Four American Teletype machines- the 66-word-a-minute Model 28 
> manufactured by Teletype Corporation of Chicago- were carried to Moscow by 
> plane in July and installed in the Kremlin by Aug. 1.
> Four comparable Soviet machines, built in East Germany, arrived last 
> weekend at the Soviet Embassy here and were delivered to the Pentagon on 
> Monday. On Tuesday, the machines were installed in an office in the 
> section of the Pentagon occupied by the office of the Joint Chiefs of 
> Staff.
>
> American technicians report that the German-built equipment was "very 
> good" and that the installation and the first test transmissions in the 
> last few days had gone "remarkably smoothly." The two countries also 
> exchanged a year's supply of spare parts, special tools, operating 
> instructions and telecommunication tape. In addition, there was an 
> exchange of encoding equipment, which undernormal circumstances is treated 
> with the highest secrecy.
> According to officials, the nature of the encoding equipment was a major 
> difficulty in working out the hot line agreement. It was finally decided 
> that what is known as "one time tape system encoding equipment" would be 
> used.
> This equipment is employed by commercial as well as military 
> communications systems, so that no military secrets were divulged in 
> making it available to the Soviet Union.
>
> The one time tape system, regarded as being virtually "breakproof" by 
> cryptographers, works in this fashion:
> As the Teletype tape containing a message is fed into one transmitter, an 
> encoding "keying tape" is fed into another transmitter. The result is to 
> scramble up the letters in the outgoing message so that it is 
> unintelligible.
> At the receiving end, the same keying tape is fed into the Teletype, and 
> the message comes out decoded. A keying tape is used only once, thus 
> making the coding system impervious to "breaking" by cryptographic 
> analysis.
> Under the agreement, the two sides exchange keying tapes. Thus, when the 
> Russian center wants to send a message, for example, it sends along a 
> number identifying the tape to be used in the Pentagon machines.
>
> Circuit's Route Given
>
> The two terminals are linked by cable and radio circuits, with the two 
> sides sharing the cost of leasing the circuits from commercial companies. 
> The cost is expected to range from $80,000 to $90,000 a year.
> The principal circuit is a land-line and ocean cable connection running 
> from Wahington to London, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Helsinki and Moscow.
>
> It is a duplex telegraph circuit capable of handling two simultaneous 
> Teletype transmissions.
> In addition, there is a duplex radio circuit going from Washington to 
> Tangier in North Africa and from there to Moscow.
> The radio circuit will be used for coordinating operations between the two 
> terminals. But it will also be used as a stand-by Teletype connection, in 
> the event that trouble develops on the land-line connection. 


From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Thu Jun 24 16:21:07 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:21:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
References: <114CCBF00D264828947C7E977DEDF77A@smtelcoPC>
Message-ID: <02b901cb13da$d0373b70$6401a8c0@inet>

What a great idea......until some hacker has a bad day and the nukes start
flying. Some people shouldn't even be allowed near 2 tin cans and a piece
of string let alone "tweet" :)>

Ron
K0IDT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Cichorsky" <steve at telephonepioneer.net>
To: "GreenKeys 4Post" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline


> 
> 
> 
> " Obama said that both he and visiting Russian President Dmitry Medvedev use
> > the popular social networking program Twittter. Obama said "we may be able 
> > to finally throw away those red phones" that were designed to allow 
> > immediate contact between the Kremlin and the White House during the cold 
> > war."
> 
>  This 1963 article describes the Bell System/WECo/Teletype equipment that 
> was
>  used to implement the original "Hot Line." IIRC, ITT provided the
>  international circuits.
> 
>  Steve C.
> 
> > 'Hot Line' Opened by U.S. and Soviet to Cut Attack Risk
> >
> > Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES
> >
> > Washington, Aug. 30 -- A diplomatic "hot line" between Moscow and 
> > Washington went into operation today with the simultaneous clattering of 
> > telecommunication machines in the Kremlin and the Pentagon.
> > The emergency communications channel is designed to reduce the risk of 
> > accidental war. The opening was announced in a one-sentence Defense 
> > Department statement:
> > "The direct communications link between Washington and Moscow is now 
> > operational."
> >
> > No ceremony accompanied the implementations of one of the few arms control 
> > measures that the United States and the Soviet Union, the two major 
> > nuclear powers, have been able to agree upon in years of negotiations.
> >
> > Text Message Is Sent
> >
> > There was no exchange of official messages. Instead, from Washington went 
> > the message used by Teletype operators to test whether a circuit is 
> > operating -- "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back 
> > 1234567890,"
> > Back from Moscow came a similar test message in Russian, which was 
> > completely unintelligible to the United States operators but at least 
> > showed that all the characters on the Teletype were working correctly.
> > After a series of exchanges of such messages, the Pentagon said, it was 
> > determined that the link was "completely satisfactory" and it was 
> > "declared operational and made available for exchange of official messages 
> > between the two Governments."
> >
> > Now that the link has been established, it will be used only "in time of 
> > emergency" and then only for exchange of messages between the two heads of 
> > Government.
> > The decision to establish the "hot line" is a direct outgrowth of the 
> > serious delays that developed in diplomatic communications between the two 
> > capitals during the Cuban crisis last fall. Diplomatic messages are now 
> > sent over normal commercial channels to the United States and Soviet 
> > Embassies in Moscow and Washington.
> >
> > With the time consumed by transmission, coding and decoding, translation 
> > and delivery, hours are often required before a message reaches its 
> > destination.
> > The direct link, which is available 24 hours a day, will make it possible 
> > for the heads of the two Governments to exchange messages in minutes.
> >
> > A message from President Kennedy to Premier Khrushchev, for example, will 
> > be sent to the Washington terminal of the link in the National Military 
> > Command Center in the Pentagon. There American Teletype operators will 
> > type the message on a teleprinter and a punched tape.
> >
> > After checking the typed message against the original copy, the Teletype 
> > tape will be fed into a Teletype transmitter. As the message goes out, it 
> > will be encoded by a "scrambling device" to prevent anyone from reading it 
> > at relay points along the 10,000-mile cable circuit.
> >
> > In Moscow, the message will go through a decoding device and appear on a 
> > Teletype machine in the Kremlin near the office of Premier Khrushchev.
> >
> > Translation Necessary
> >
> > The plan calls for the United States to transmit messages in English and 
> > the Soviet Union in Russian. Thus at each end it will be necessary for the 
> > messages to be translated before they can be delivered to the leaders.
> > The agreement to establish the link was reached in Geneva June 20, about 
> > eight months after the Cuban crisis. The idea had been studied for several 
> > years.
> > Since June, Soviet and American technicians have been rushing to install 
> > the equipment by a Sept. 1 deadline.
> >
> > Four American Teletype machines- the 66-word-a-minute Model 28 
> > manufactured by Teletype Corporation of Chicago- were carried to Moscow by 
> > plane in July and installed in the Kremlin by Aug. 1.
> > Four comparable Soviet machines, built in East Germany, arrived last 
> > weekend at the Soviet Embassy here and were delivered to the Pentagon on 
> > Monday. On Tuesday, the machines were installed in an office in the 
> > section of the Pentagon occupied by the office of the Joint Chiefs of 
> > Staff.
> >
> > American technicians report that the German-built equipment was "very 
> > good" and that the installation and the first test transmissions in the 
> > last few days had gone "remarkably smoothly." The two countries also 
> > exchanged a year's supply of spare parts, special tools, operating 
> > instructions and telecommunication tape. In addition, there was an 
> > exchange of encoding equipment, which undernormal circumstances is treated 
> > with the highest secrecy.
> > According to officials, the nature of the encoding equipment was a major 
> > difficulty in working out the hot line agreement. It was finally decided 
> > that what is known as "one time tape system encoding equipment" would be 
> > used.
> > This equipment is employed by commercial as well as military 
> > communications systems, so that no military secrets were divulged in 
> > making it available to the Soviet Union.
> >
> > The one time tape system, regarded as being virtually "breakproof" by 
> > cryptographers, works in this fashion:
> > As the Teletype tape containing a message is fed into one transmitter, an 
> > encoding "keying tape" is fed into another transmitter. The result is to 
> > scramble up the letters in the outgoing message so that it is 
> > unintelligible.
> > At the receiving end, the same keying tape is fed into the Teletype, and 
> > the message comes out decoded. A keying tape is used only once, thus 
> > making the coding system impervious to "breaking" by cryptographic 
> > analysis.
> > Under the agreement, the two sides exchange keying tapes. Thus, when the 
> > Russian center wants to send a message, for example, it sends along a 
> > number identifying the tape to be used in the Pentagon machines.
> >
> > Circuit's Route Given
> >
> > The two terminals are linked by cable and radio circuits, with the two 
> > sides sharing the cost of leasing the circuits from commercial companies. 
> > The cost is expected to range from $80,000 to $90,000 a year.
> > The principal circuit is a land-line and ocean cable connection running 
> > from Wahington to London, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Helsinki and Moscow.
> >
> > It is a duplex telegraph circuit capable of handling two simultaneous 
> > Teletype transmissions.
> > In addition, there is a duplex radio circuit going from Washington to 
> > Tangier in North Africa and from there to Moscow.
> > The radio circuit will be used for coordinating operations between the two 
> > terminals. But it will also be used as a stand-by Teletype connection, in 
> > the event that trouble develops on the land-line connection. 
> 
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From kasley at fnal.gov  Thu Jun 24 16:25:16 2010
From: kasley at fnal.gov (Paul Kasley)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:25:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
References: <114CCBF00D264828947C7E977DEDF77A@smtelcoPC>
	<02b901cb13da$d0373b70$6401a8c0@inet>
Message-ID: <98C93E92D896486DBB0AE13B4F30F387@fnal.gov>

I'm sure they both have Lil Orphan Annie Decoder Rings so they can 
authenticate securely.

-w9ts

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Kolarik" <rkolarik at neb.rr.com>
To: "GreenKeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline


> What a great idea......until some hacker has a bad day and the nukes start
> flying. Some people shouldn't even be allowed near 2 tin cans and a piece
> of string let alone "tweet" :)>
>
> Ron
> K0IDT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Cichorsky" <steve at telephonepioneer.net>
> To: "GreenKeys 4Post" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:00 PM
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> " Obama said that both he and visiting Russian President Dmitry Medvedev 
>> use
>> > the popular social networking program Twittter. Obama said "we may be 
>> > able
>> > to finally throw away those red phones" that were designed to allow
>> > immediate contact between the Kremlin and the White House during the 
>> > cold
>> > war."


From Til128 at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 19:05:02 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:05:02 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
Message-ID: <6270.202f8bb3.39553e9e@aol.com>

<http://www.govcomm.harris.com/about/history/did-you-know/>

Here's  another link the goes a little deeper.

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY  


From geoff at wb6nvh.com  Thu Jun 24 17:59:13 2010
From: geoff at wb6nvh.com (Geoff Fors)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:59:13 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] White House red phones
Message-ID: <001201cb13e8$7becd490$6501a8c0@dell54e57547ea>

It was my impression that at least during the Cold War, there were no "red 
phones" on a "hotline" which a president would use to talk to his opposite 
number in Russia (unlike in the movies.)  Instead, there was a "red" 
Teletype machine for that purpose.  This was to eliminate the error issues 
involved when trying to translate and communicate in voice, real time. 
There's probably a web page on the whole thing which someone can point to.

Geoff
WB6NVH 


From froggy at thefrogfaceplace.com  Thu Jun 24 19:54:25 2010
From: froggy at thefrogfaceplace.com (Rod Lannon)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:54:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
In-Reply-To: <02b901cb13da$d0373b70$6401a8c0@inet>
References: <114CCBF00D264828947C7E977DEDF77A@smtelcoPC>
	<02b901cb13da$d0373b70$6401a8c0@inet>
Message-ID: <4C23F031.9040704@thefrogfaceplace.com>

The good old days when message traffic was sent via
encrypted circuits. Closed, in house circuits, not the
internet.  We never had these troubles 30 years ago.

Guess that's "progress" for you.

Rod


Ron Kolarik wrote:
> What a great idea......until some hacker has a bad day and the nukes start
> flying. Some people shouldn't even be allowed near 2 tin cans and a piece
> of string let alone "tweet" :)>
>
> Ron
> K0IDT
>
>
>   


From wa2hwj at att.net  Thu Jun 24 20:16:11 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:16:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
In-Reply-To: <4C23F031.9040704@thefrogfaceplace.com>
References: <114CCBF00D264828947C7E977DEDF77A@smtelcoPC>	<02b901cb13da$d0373b70$6401a8c0@inet>
	<4C23F031.9040704@thefrogfaceplace.com>
Message-ID: <002701cb13fb$9fa5bfb0$def13f10$@net>

Are those who "twitter", "twits"?




-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rod Lannon
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:54 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline

The good old days when message traffic was sent via
encrypted circuits. Closed, in house circuits, not the
internet.  We never had these troubles 30 years ago.

Guess that's "progress" for you.

Rod


Ron Kolarik wrote:
> What a great idea......until some hacker has a bad day and the nukes
start
> flying. Some people shouldn't even be allowed near 2 tin cans and a
piece
> of string let alone "tweet" :)>
>
> Ron
> K0IDT
>
>
>   

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From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Thu Jun 24 20:33:48 2010
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:33:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
In-Reply-To: <002701cb13fb$9fa5bfb0$def13f10$@net>
Message-ID: <F947B19656D3494DB6D490ED39683CFA@scottrazc0kgay>

Let's not even discuss the past tense.



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:16 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline


Are those who "twitter", "twits"?




-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rod Lannon
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:54 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline

The good old days when message traffic was sent via
encrypted circuits. Closed, in house circuits, not the internet.  We never
had these troubles 30 years ago.

Guess that's "progress" for you.

Rod


Ron Kolarik wrote:
> What a great idea......until some hacker has a bad day and the nukes
start
> flying. Some people shouldn't even be allowed near 2 tin cans and a
piece
> of string let alone "tweet" :)>
>
> Ron
> K0IDT
>
>
>   

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From john at johnwhitney.com  Thu Jun 24 22:11:03 2010
From: john at johnwhitney.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?john?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 02:11:03 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] =?iso-8859-1?q?Message_Cleanup?=
Message-ID: <20100625021103.29669.qmail@server278.com>

A few years back I wrote a quick free web utility to clean up multi-forwarded emails with all the >'s on every line, and the line breaks.  I just used it to clean up the "1963 article on the Bell System/WECo/Teletype" with one click.  For example you can clean up this...

>  This 1963 article describes the Bell System/WECo/Teletype equipment that 
> was
>  used to implement the original "Hot Line." IIRC, ITT provided the
>  international circuits.
> 
>  Steve C.
> 
> > 'Hot Line' Opened by U.S. and Soviet to Cut Attack Risk
> >
> > Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES
> >
> > Washington, Aug. 30 -- A diplomatic "hot line" between Moscow and 
> > Washington went into operation today with the simultaneous clattering of 
> > telecommunication machines in the Kremlin and the Pentagon...

into this...

This 1963 article describes the Bell System/WECo/Teletype equipment that was used to implement the original "Hot Line."  IIRC, ITT provided the international circuits.

 Steve C.

'Hot Line' Opened by U.S.  and Soviet to Cut Attack Risk

Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES

Washington, Aug.  30 -- A diplomatic "hot line"  between Moscow and Washington went into operation today with the simultaneous clattering of telecommunication machines in the Kremlin and the Pentagon...

The web page to do it is...

   http://www.johnwhitney.com/cleanup/

Thought the members might find it useful cleaning up some of the long multi-forwarded messages.

From WA5CAB at cs.com  Thu Jun 24 22:37:01 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:37:01 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Twitter to Replace Washington-Kremlin Hotline
Message-ID: <77583.6606f871.3955704d@cs.com>

Either that, or birds.

In a message dated 6/24/2010 7:23:12 PM Central Daylight Time, 
wa2hwj at att.net writes: 
> Are those who "twitter", "twits"?
> 
> 

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From c.sawyers at tech-enterprise.com  Fri Jun 25 01:14:28 2010
From: c.sawyers at tech-enterprise.com (Craig Sawyers)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:14:28 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] White House red phones
In-Reply-To: <001201cb13e8$7becd490$6501a8c0@dell54e57547ea>
Message-ID: <3A54495193E44802B5EF19B7B34992E2@TechEnt>

> Instead, there was a "red"
> Teletype machine for that purpose.  This was to eliminate the
> error issues
> involved when trying to translate and communicate in voice,
> real time.
> There's probably a web page on the whole thing which someone
> can point to.

There is certainly a movie that used this - a really chilling cold war movie
called "By Dawn's Early Light".

Craig


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Fri Jun 25 04:07:16 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:07:16 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/ UGC-504 terminal/printer
Message-ID: <4C243984.17189.112894@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I picked up two AN/ UGC-504 terminal/printers this morning 
which came from Halifax. I lucked out, and my employer has 
a tractor trailer going to Halifax every night, so I had 
him bring the units back, and picked them up when the truck 
arrived back here.

They are an interesting piece of military equipment... The 
only problem will be they come without cords, so will have 
to dope out their connectors. With luck, I may also find a 
manual (fingers crossed). They are a dot matrix ASCII 
teletype unit...

It is still reasonably dark, and I have left them in the 
car until later. Once I have a good look at them, I will 
post more details on the units on my web page as well as 
photos.

Dave 

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Fri Jun 25 09:06:57 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:06:57 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-504
Message-ID: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I am cross-posting this to two lists hoping I will find 
someone knowledgable about this machine, and about its 
power connections. I am also looking for a manual for the 
unit.

I purchased two of them from a seller in Dartmouth 
yesterday, and thanks to a tractor trailer driver I know 
who makes runs to Halifax each day, I picked them up in 
Charlottetown at 4 a.m. this morning.

I have placed photos of one of two AN/UGC-504 military 
teletype/printers I purchased on my Ham Radio page. It is 
an ascii dot matrix machine with selectable baud rates made 
to run off 110 volts AC. I am looking for a manual for it, 
and for the wiring of the power/loop plug, as well as 
hopefully, a plug to fit it. 

Photos at:

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html

I hope there won't be a duplicate posting - I sent off a 
message to the list using the wrong email address (which 
isn't subscribed to it), and it hasn't posted yet, and 
probably won't.

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Sat Jun 26 18:13:48 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:13:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
Message-ID: <4C267B9C.70303@eskimo.com>

GE OMs;

I threw together an antenna and I'm having some problems with it.
If anyone has any ideas, I'd be delighted to hear them.

First, the set-up:

I put down about 25 radials. They're around 10-15 feet long in a
spoke pattern. They're lying on top of the dirt and I covered
them with paving bricks.

(Did I mess-up bigtime by using insulated wire for the ground radials?)

I pounded a 4' angle iron into the ground.

I wound a 2'coil around a 4" PVC pipe, using #12 insulated copper wire.
There is no gap in the windings othen than what the insulation provides.

The lower 2' of the PVC is strapped to the angle iron using
hose clamps (the coil is above the angle iron).

For testing, I have about 20' of wire coming off the end of
the coil. It's just hanging on the end of the garage roof. The
actual antenna will be about 18' (vertical - because that's all
the space I have).

The coax connector is at the bottom of the PVC. The ground
wire bundle is connected to the case. Should I have also
connected that to the cold water pipe (see symptoms below)?

The station equipment is all grounded to each other, but not to
an earth ground (cold water pipe or something like that).

-- 

Since I don't have a grid dip meter, I turned on the transceiver, put on
headphones, and went to play with the coil taps.

I'm using about 5 watts during testing.

Here's what I'm experiencing:

o When I get near the coil - about a foot away, the background noise
picks up ALOT (so do the signals).

o When I tap the coil, weird things happen: either I have a 1.0:1 VSWR
or a 3:1 or greater (too high for the rig to report).
When I have the 1.0:1 VSWR, if I go up or down the band, at some arbitrary
point it goes to 3:1. There is no curve (rise or fall) from 1.0:1 to 3:1.

o Question on tapping the coil:

o The "far end" of the coil is connected to the antenna wire.
Should the "near end" be connected to the coax center conductor and
the tap lead - or does it "float" unconnected - and the center of the
coax is only connected to the tap?

There is an aluminum rain leader about 6' away from the coil. At 5W do
you think there is any coupling effect? If there is a chance, I can take
it apart for testing - and R/R it with plastic if it does cause a problem.

I'm bummed-out that I sold my Heathkit grid dip meter. I checked eBay and
there are some but I'm thinking that I can buy one from Alfa for $89, use it
for testing, and then put it on eBay for maybe $60-70. The ~$30 loss
might be worth it just so I don't wind up with a piece of junk that
doesn't work - or worse.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC


-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | Even Popeye didn't eat his spinach
                  |    until he absolutely had to.


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Jun 26 18:35:58 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 19:35:58 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] [TCI] AN/UGC-504
In-Reply-To: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I spoke with Gary today - he does have more of these 
machines available. He is in the Halifax/Dartmouth area, 
and may be reached at: 1 (902) 456-4919, or by mail at:

Scotia Surplus Ltd
Gary Hamilton
Upper Tantallon NS
B3Z 4R3
Canada.

I can give you his email if needed.

My Page on the unit:
http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html

Dave


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http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 26 19:27:32 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:27:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [TCI] AN/UGC-504
In-Reply-To: <4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006261825240.2937@localhost>

The usual source for odd connectors is William Perry Co., 702 Beechwood
Rd., Louisville, KY 40207   502-893-8724

Is there a definite asking price on the UGC-504s?  How much do they
weigh?  Will he ship?


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat Jun 26 20:11:57 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:11:57 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] [TCI] AN/UGC-504
In-Reply-To: <4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4C266D1D.26344.328C6FF@dhunter.islandregister.com>

These units available from Hary Hamilton, are currently 
priced at $50 USD each plus shipping costs, and weigh 65 
lbs.

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Jun 26 22:21:58 2010
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
In-Reply-To: 113581
References: 113581
Message-ID: <8CCE3B6A763CCF7-1374-1391@angweb-usd005.sysops.aol.com>


 It would help to know what band you intend to operate it on before anyone can say if the dimensions are close to being right. What taps you put into the coil (turns between taps) may be useful too.

Insulated wire for radials lying on the ground should be OK.

> When I get near the coil - about a foot away, the background noise picks up ALOT (so do the signals).

You're tuning/detuning the antenna with body capacity. It's probably to be expected. Similarly, the metal gutter is affecting the antenna tuning as well. You may be better off assembling the thing where you expect to use it because any dimensions and tap settings you find will probably need changing when you construct the actual antenna.

> When I tap the coil, weird things happen

Sounds like a poor connection somewhere.

You're seem to be fighting two problems at once, and that is a very bad troubleshooting scenario. One: you don't
know the antenna resonant frequency. Two: you're trying to find a good impedence match with the taps but that is 
probably changing the resonant frequency.

Wayne
WB4OGM


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: hunybuny <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 4:14 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna


GE OMs;



I threw together an antenna and I'm having some problems with it.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd be delighted to hear them.



First, the set-up:



I put down about 25 radials. They're around 10-15 feet long in a

spoke pattern. They're lying on top of the dirt and I covered

them with paving bricks.



(Did I mess-up bigtime by using insulated wire for the ground radials?)



I pounded a 4' angle iron into the ground.



I wound a 2'coil around a 4" PVC pipe, using #12 insulated copper wire.

There is no gap in the windings othen than what the insulation provides.



The lower 2' of the PVC is strapped to the angle iron using

hose clamps (the coil is above the angle iron).



For testing, I have about 20' of wire coming off the end of

the coil. It's just hanging on the end of the garage roof. The

actual antenna will be about 18' (vertical - because that's all

the space I have).



The coax connector is at the bottom of the PVC. The ground

wire bundle is connected to the case. Should I have also

connected that to the cold water pipe (see symptoms below)?



The station equipment is all grounded to each other, but not to

an earth ground (cold water pipe or something like that).



-- 



Since I don't have a grid dip meter, I turned on the transceiver, put on

headphones, and went to play with the coil taps.



I'm using about 5 watts during testing.



Here's what I'm experiencing:



o When I get near the coil - about a foot away, the background noise

picks up ALOT (so do the signals).



o > When I tap the coil, weird things happen: either I have a 1.0:1 VSWR

or a 3:1 or greater (too high for the rig to report).

When I have the 1.0:1 VSWR, if I go up or down the band, at some arbitrary

point it goes to 3:1. There is no curve (rise or fall) from 1.0:1 to 3:1.



o Question on tapping the coil:



o The "far end" of the coil is connected to the antenna wire.

Should the "near end" be connected to the coax center conductor and

the tap lead - or does it "float" unconnected - and the center of the

coax is only connected to the tap?



There is an aluminum rain leader about 6' away from the coil. At 5W do

you think there is any coupling effect? If there is a chance, I can take

it apart for testing - and R/R it with plastic if it does cause a problem.



I'm bummed-out that I sold my Heathkit grid dip meter. I checked eBay and

there are some but I'm thinking that I can buy one from Alfa for $89, use it

for testing, and then put it on eBay for maybe $60-70. The ~$30 loss

might be worth it just so I don't wind up with a piece of junk that

doesn't work - or worse.



UE,

W6ESE - tony

NNNNZCZC





-- 

Tony J. Podrasky | Even Popeye didn't eat his spinach

                  |    until he absolutely had to.



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From packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 23:44:08 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:44:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] [TCI] AN/UGC-504
In-Reply-To: <4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <7AB1B98C-E796-4C48-8637-5921E893A113@gmail.com>

Dave,

If I remember correctly these machines are quite heavy.
Shipping to the USA would be expensive, would it not?

Don


On 26 Jun 2010, at 5:35 PM, Dave Hunter wrote:

Hi All:

I spoke with Gary today - he does have more of these
machines available. He is in the Halifax/Dartmouth area,
and may be reached at: 1 (902) 456-4919, or by mail at:

Scotia Surplus Ltd
Gary Hamilton
Upper Tantallon NS
B3Z 4R3
Canada.

I can give you his email if needed.

My Page on the unit:
http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html

Dave


The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!


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From packard42 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 23:45:39 2010
From: packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:45:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] [TCI] AN/UGC-504
In-Reply-To: <4C266D1D.26344.328C6FF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<4C26569E.26516.2D0E764@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4C266D1D.26344.328C6FF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <9ABA1F60-2283-4B9A-8A09-4FABAFE31B7F@gmail.com>

Yes,
I remembered correctly.  Even the keyboards are heavy.
Don


On 26 Jun 2010, at 7:11 PM, Dave Hunter wrote:

These units available from Hary Hamilton, are currently
priced at $50 USD each plus shipping costs, and weigh 65
lbs.

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net


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From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun Jun 27 10:18:29 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:18:29 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
References: <4C267B9C.70303@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <50ED30BD11644AB6B399529683CA6622@LAPTOP>

Tony - - -

I have been away from ITTY for about the past five days because I have been 
dealing with a field day operation (my first since 1969) and experiencing 
the mediocrity of a favorite (Not Mine) antenna callled a G5RV.

IMHO the G5RV is a pile of crap. It is not resonant at any frequency that I 
can see, and requires something most people call an antenna tuner, which is 
little more than a jumble of coils, capacitors, and a lump of ethereal 
belief called "HOPE IT WORKS".

Last night I put together an 80/40 meter dipole which simply consists of a 
1:1 center balun, and four pieces of antenna wire each roughly 33.5 feet, 
one on each side of the balun, a separating insulator on each side, and then 
the second piece of wire going to an end insulator then to some 
non-conducting line to the support, a 70 foot tower on one end and a wire 
fence on the other, with the insulating pieces being roughly 25 feet in 
length.

There are 4 inch pigtails on either side of the inner insulators that, when 
twisted together make an 80 meter dipole resonant at around 3590 KHz. 
Untwist the wires and the thing is resonant at around 7120 KHz.

A Bird wattmeter shows max forward power and no reflected power at the 
mentioned frequencies, indicating that IT WORKS.

I used an MFJ Antenna Analyzer to set the antenna up, (first time use of one 
for me) and the antenna just plain WORKS.

I understand that you have limited space, thus the short radials and the 
hefty coil on the PVC Pipe.

First, the higher the number of radials is OK, up to about 36. After 36 or 
so radials you are throwing money away on copper that gives you little 
additional performance. Most broadcast engineers will tell you that about 95 
percent of the ground current action occurs within 15 feet of the base of a 
vertical antenna, so you are right at the edge when it comes to radial 
length. What you have done should work. An article in a recent issue of QST 
supports the effect of the number and the length of the radials.

A physically short antenna requires inductance at the base, so the coil is a 
good feature. The trick is to get the right number of turns in the coil for 
the 18 foot pigtail in order to attain resonance.

If you know anyone who has an MFJ Antenna Analyzer, offer them a very nice 
lunch if they will bring it over and help you seek the right number of turns 
you need to make your system work.

I have plans on getting an MFJ Analyzer as soon as I can save up the coins 
to do so, as I was astounded that the performance of the dipole was exactly 
as shown it would be on the MFJ!!!

There are two meters and a digital readout on the MFJ. one is SWR, and the 
other is radiation resistance/impedance.

The digital readout shows the applied frequency, calculated SWR, reactance, 
and something else I forget at this moment.

Many people interpret the MFJ label as meaning "Mighty Fine Junk", but when 
the performing results closely reflected what the MFJ said was happening, I 
quicky became a believer!

Don't sweat the insulated wire on the radials. The insulation does not 
apparently affect performance, and will keep your ground system intact over 
the long haul.

Hope this llittle dissertation helps.

W7TTY



From jangus at suddenlink.net  Sun Jun 27 10:46:38 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:46:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
In-Reply-To: <50ED30BD11644AB6B399529683CA6622@LAPTOP>
References: <4C267B9C.70303@eskimo.com>
	<50ED30BD11644AB6B399529683CA6622@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4C27644E.1040604@suddenlink.net>

On 6/27/2010 9:18 AM, George B. Hutchison wrote:
> Many people interpret the MFJ label as meaning "Mighty Fine Junk", but when
> the performing results closely reflected what the MFJ said was happening, I
> quicky became a believer!
>    
I'll second that. About the only way you're going to do any better is to 
have a
real network analyzer hooked to the feed line.

MFJ makes (or made) two variations. One has a built in VFO, and the other
relied on a transceiver for the signal source.

And George, you're right about the G5RV antenna. It has the same "mistique"
as the Kenwood TS-900 series receivers. Not all that good, but everyone
swore by them back in the late '80s.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From herbert3 at centurytel.net  Sun Jun 27 11:08:44 2010
From: herbert3 at centurytel.net (Lee Mushel)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:08:44 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
References: <4C267B9C.70303@eskimo.com>
	<50ED30BD11644AB6B399529683CA6622@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4B8A4946A74B43F5A1C2E76D94E521C9@NewComputer>

George,

Given the popularity of this "thing" I find it difficult to believe that you 
are only now finding the G5RV!   When I first saw a description of it I 
could immediately see why a lot of poor folks were thinking "the band is 
dead!"   And then I researched the origins of it and read G5RV's  (SK) 
description of what he had created and his own conclusion was that it wasn't 
much of an antenna beyond maybe a little performance on 20 meters which is 
the only frequency it had been designed for.   No one today seems to realize 
that the feedline is actually a radiating part of the antenna or that you 
must us a balun and you should avoid ordinary 300 ohm TV twinlead like the 
plague.   But you are right.   It is simply a very poor antenna, a fact 
that no one seems to want to admit so it just keeps on going......

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George B. Hutchison" <w7tty at olypen.com>
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>; <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna


> Tony - - -
>
> I have been away from ITTY for about the past five days because I have 
> been
> dealing with a field day operation (my first since 1969) and experiencing
> the mediocrity of a favorite (Not Mine) antenna callled a G5RV.
>
> IMHO the G5RV is a pile of crap. It is not resonant at any frequency that 
> I
> can see, and requires something most people call an antenna tuner, which 
> is
> little more than a jumble of coils, capacitors, and a lump of ethereal
> belief called "HOPE IT WORKS".
>
> Last night I put together an 80/40 meter dipole which simply consists of a
> 1:1 center balun, and four pieces of antenna wire each roughly 33.5 feet,
> one on each side of the balun, a separating insulator on each side, and 
> then
> the second piece of wire going to an end insulator then to some
> non-conducting line to the support, a 70 foot tower on one end and a wire
> fence on the other, with the insulating pieces being roughly 25 feet in
> length.
>
> There are 4 inch pigtails on either side of the inner insulators that, 
> when
> twisted together make an 80 meter dipole resonant at around 3590 KHz.
> Untwist the wires and the thing is resonant at around 7120 KHz.
>
> A Bird wattmeter shows max forward power and no reflected power at the
> mentioned frequencies, indicating that IT WORKS.
>
> I used an MFJ Antenna Analyzer to set the antenna up, (first time use of 
> one
> for me) and the antenna just plain WORKS.
>
> I understand that you have limited space, thus the short radials and the
> hefty coil on the PVC Pipe.
>
> First, the higher the number of radials is OK, up to about 36. After 36 or
> so radials you are throwing money away on copper that gives you little
> additional performance. Most broadcast engineers will tell you that about 
> 95
> percent of the ground current action occurs within 15 feet of the base of 
> a
> vertical antenna, so you are right at the edge when it comes to radial
> length. What you have done should work. An article in a recent issue of 
> QST
> supports the effect of the number and the length of the radials.
>
> A physically short antenna requires inductance at the base, so the coil is 
> a
> good feature. The trick is to get the right number of turns in the coil 
> for
> the 18 foot pigtail in order to attain resonance.
>
> If you know anyone who has an MFJ Antenna Analyzer, offer them a very nice
> lunch if they will bring it over and help you seek the right number of 
> turns
> you need to make your system work.
>
> I have plans on getting an MFJ Analyzer as soon as I can save up the coins
> to do so, as I was astounded that the performance of the dipole was 
> exactly
> as shown it would be on the MFJ!!!
>
> There are two meters and a digital readout on the MFJ. one is SWR, and the
> other is radiation resistance/impedance.
>
> The digital readout shows the applied frequency, calculated SWR, 
> reactance,
> and something else I forget at this moment.
>
> Many people interpret the MFJ label as meaning "Mighty Fine Junk", but 
> when
> the performing results closely reflected what the MFJ said was happening, 
> I
> quicky became a believer!
>
> Don't sweat the insulated wire on the radials. The insulation does not
> apparently affect performance, and will keep your ground system intact 
> over
> the long haul.
>
> Hope this llittle dissertation helps.
>
> W7TTY
>
>
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From kr4wm at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 27 11:40:52 2010
From: kr4wm at earthlink.net (Web Williams)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:40:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12425.1277650005.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.12425.1277650005.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C277104.8000300@earthlink.net>

I tried the same thing several years ago, and wound up with the
same results. Moving the coil up away from the base was the
solution. You do need to try to get the correct coil length for
the lowest frequency you plan to operate, and have no additional
coil, which will cause resonance and RF radiation issues. Also,
keep in mind that you mentioned a gutter being in close proximity.
Any large bodies of metal within 1/2 wavelength of your antenna
will cause tuning issues. In other words, at 40 meters, it's best to
keep large pieces of metal at least 66 feet away. This may not be
possible in your case, so you will be forced to be creative in
your mounting choices to do as best as you can. If the gutter is
off the tip of the antenna, it will not effect tuning as much as if
you had gutter running parallel to the antenna. If your gutter is
within 1/4 wavelength and parallel to your antenna (within 33 feet
at 40 meters, for example), you're going to fight with the antenna
to overcome mutual coupling, detuning, and signal pattern skew
issues. You would do better to put the vertical on your rooftop
and spread your radials around on top of your shingles. Guy the
antenna tubing with non-conductive (phyllistran or weed-eater twine)
and see if that doesn't cure what ails you.

As a "last resort", you might want to try one of the screwdriver
mobile antennas mounted over the top of your radial field and
see how it does. You can use as long of a whip as is desired.
The design effectively removes stray inductance as an effect of
it's design, giving you one less thing you'll have to compensate for.
If you still have metal in the near-field of the antenna, the screwdriver
antenna will never tune correctly, and at least you'll know the likely
problem, which is most likely metal in the near-field. (Which could
also be wire or copper plumbing inside the walls of your home.)

It would be best to get your antenna out in the open.

> There is an aluminum rain leader about 6' away from the coil. At 5W do
> you think there is any coupling effect?
The power level you are using has nothing to do with the tuning of
the antenna. Either it's tuned, or it's not. If the antenna is tuned
properly, you should see nearly the same (if not identical) SWR at
5 watts as you do at 100 watts or a kilowatt. (Unless something
is arcing.)

My personal advice is to get one of the MFJ SWR analyzers. They're
worth their weight in gold if you're going to do any serious antenna
experimentation. A grid dip meter is OK, but won't give you nearly
the amount of information/feedback as an MFJ analyzer. (Or an AEA
VIA or CIA HF meter, as well as other similar brands/designs.)

Best of luck, 73, -Web (WY3X)

From greenkeys at vaporland.com  Sun Jun 27 12:03:31 2010
From: greenkeys at vaporland.com (Bryan Brodie)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:03:31 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Building a Precision CRT
Message-ID: <AANLkTin61zlDwxkORCBIgtuFSuhSzhkCdwkk3w-dNAbQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know a lot of you folks used Tektronix equipment, back in the day.
Here's a great site documenting Tektronix history:
http://classictek.org/

And here's a great video from Tektronix describing how to create
precision CRTs for oscilloscopes:
http://classictek.org/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=100&task=videodirectlink&id=1

Now I know why they still work 50 years later. They definitely don't
make 'em like they used to.

From c.sawyers at tech-enterprise.com  Sun Jun 27 13:34:16 2010
From: c.sawyers at tech-enterprise.com (Craig Sawyers)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:34:16 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Building a Precision CRT
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin61zlDwxkORCBIgtuFSuhSzhkCdwkk3w-dNAbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E31FBDF95674BB79C26C8EE72955824@TechEnt>

> And here's a great video from Tektronix describing how to create
> precision CRTs for oscilloscopes:
> http://classictek.org/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=100&t
> ask=videodirectlink&id=1

I hadn't realised that video had been added - absolutely fascinating!  No
wonder Tek scopes were (and still are) expensive.

The silk screen print that is put on the neck right at the end is T51P2A.
That corresponds to a 154-0081-00 CRT, used in the 531, 535, RM31, RM35, 513
and 513D scopes (courtesy of Stan's reference data on reprise.com).  So now
I know the detail of the manufacturing process in all my 500-series scopes -
amazing stuff.

Anyone interested in Tektronix gear ought to join the TekScopes yahoo group.

Craig


From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Sun Jun 27 13:45:43 2010
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:45:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Building a Precision CRT
In-Reply-To: <0E31FBDF95674BB79C26C8EE72955824@TechEnt>
Message-ID: <4DF3988EB9594835B5CD46AD780E2183@scottrazc0kgay>

Sadly, that factory is effectively gone, It was spun off as Planar, and I
believe they may still be around making specialty CRT's, but the CRT is not
what makes the instrument any longer. Fortunately, Tekronix has been able to
keep a fairly decent edge in the DSO market.  At one time I had nearly 500
TEK instruments, now my collection has been pared to about a dozen classic
instruments.  I have a 511, a 545B, a 547, 555, 556, 570,575 519, 549, 7104,
7854, and a 2467- all classics in one way or another.  I now use more modern
scopes, a TDS 3054 is my workhorse now, but every once in a while, I'll pull
out one of the classics and use it, and just wonder at what I think is
probably the most beautiful example of the electronic art- ever. 

Scott W7SVJ 

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sawyers
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:34 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Building a Precision CRT


> And here's a great video from Tektronix describing how to create 
> precision CRTs for oscilloscopes: 
> http://classictek.org/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=100&t
> ask=videodirectlink&id=1

I hadn't realised that video had been added - absolutely fascinating!  No
wonder Tek scopes were (and still are) expensive.

The silk screen print that is put on the neck right at the end is T51P2A.
That corresponds to a 154-0081-00 CRT, used in the 531, 535, RM31, RM35, 513
and 513D scopes (courtesy of Stan's reference data on reprise.com).  So now
I know the detail of the manufacturing process in all my 500-series scopes -
amazing stuff.

Anyone interested in Tektronix gear ought to join the TekScopes yahoo group.

Craig

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jun 27 19:52:44 2010
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:52:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
In-Reply-To: 113880
References: 113880
Message-ID: <8CCE46AF8DCD439-7A0-163F@angweb-usd004.sysops.aol.com>



>
First, the higher the number of radials is OK, up to about 36. After 36 or 
so radials you are throwing money away on copper that gives you little 
additional performance. Most broadcast engineers will tell you that about 95 
percent of the ground current action occurs within 15 feet of the base of a 
vertical antenna, so you are right at the edge when it comes to radial 
length. What you have done should work. An article in a recent issue of QST 
supports the effect of the number and the length of the radials.
>

The larger number of short radials is for a buried groundplane. The QST article
and others conclude that for a groundplane above the ground, the radials should
be resonant length for the band in use, and as few as 3 or 4 will suffice. More
is better but the point of diminishing returns is reached with much fewer than
the buried radial system. It wasn't clear in the original post whether he 
planned to bury them in the final installation.

>
A physically short antenna requires inductance at the base, so the coil is a 
good feature. The trick is to get the right number of turns in the coil for 
the 18 foot pigtail in order to attain resonance.
>

The loading coil can be anywhere in the radiating element but at the base is
the most common and the most convenient if one has to change taps when changing
bands. Center and top loading coils can acheive higher radiation efficiency for
the same coil quality but they are mechanically harder to make & support.

I'd guess that his coil has maybe 150 to 200 turns on it, based on the description.
That is way too many. I have a Bill Orr Handbook design here for 80/40/20/15 meters
that uses a 22 foot element and only 40 turns in the baseloading coil (it's 40 
turns of #16 awg, 2 inches in diameter, spaced at 10 turns per inch). The design can
be used on 10 meters but the coil has to be replaced by a series variable capacitor
(the element is too long).

I've offered to email him the design but have not heard back yet.

Wayne
WB4OGM



 

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 10:31:26 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:31:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] wanted - Navy model 28 TD
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8Hb4ac3yno9S6CmBXxZsbu_Plog1hG0Jo1pkZ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi gang - I'd like to acquire a Model 28 TD - Navy TT-187/UG or
TT-187A/UG (mini) - preferably with 60wpm gears. Need not be working
but should be repairable. Photos at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt187-ug-11.JPG  and
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt187a-ug-11.JPG

I'd appreciate any leads. Thanks!
Nick England
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com

From pete at petelancashire.com  Mon Jun 28 11:34:03 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:34:03 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paper slitter update
Message-ID: <AANLkTimR6sEg9mFoXbPKcrQX8PE7fjf1bzrtFrtvTdRL@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly the slitter became scrap in March

Basically came down to insurance & OSHA since the cost of storage was
zero (owned the building, had excess space).

To use the slitter would have cost about $1,000 to update to conform
to OSHA requirements. That was not the big
issue, it was their insurance, it would have gone up. It seems every
additional piece of equipment it goes up.

The owner is seriously considering closing up this 100 y/o shop,
laying off and and just giving up.

-pete

From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Mon Jun 28 16:04:17 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:04:17 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Questions on troubleshooting an antenna
In-Reply-To: <50ED30BD11644AB6B399529683CA6622@LAPTOP>
References: <4C267B9C.70303@eskimo.com>
	<50ED30BD11644AB6B399529683CA6622@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4C290041.2000803@eskimo.com>

GE OMs;

First, I'd like to thank everyone for their help.

Here's the answers to some of the questions:

___It would help to know what band you intend to operate it on before anyone
___can say if the dimensions are close to being right. What taps you put into
___the coil (turns between taps) may be useful too.]

I was hoping to be able to work 160-10. Yes, an 18' antenna on 160 isn't
exactly perfect for DX :-) but I figured that I could at least get on
there and work a couple of the locals.

Back in the 60's I had a Gotham vertical. It was just a 10-12' piece
of aluminum pipe with a open-air coil at the bottom. It had a tap that
you could move around to switch bands. It worked quite well, too.

___IMHO the G5RV is a pile of crap.

I had one of those. I could only raise it 10' off the roof of my condo
complex. It worked equally poorly on all bands.

___I'd guess that his coil has maybe 150 to 200 turns on it, based on the
___description.That is way too many. I have a Bill Orr Handbook design here
___for 80/40/20/15 meters that uses a 22 foot element and only 40 turns in
___the baseloading coil (it's 40 turns of #16 awg, 2 inches in diameter,
___spaced at 10 turns per inch). The design can be used on 10 meters but
___the coil has to be replaced by a series variable capacitor
___(the element is too long).

___I've offered to email him the design but have not heard back yet.

Wayne, - thanx: I'd like to see the design.

I went to the MFJ website and downloaded the manual for the antenna
analyzer. Also went on eBay and see that there are 46 listings for
antenna analyzers.

AFA the antenna VSWR going from either 1:0:1 and 3.0:1, I'll take the
dummyload out there and connect the coax to it and see what happens.

Kinda miss my 2,000' rhombic with the 1.0:1 VSWR from DC-to-Daylight.

Boy - talk about being able to jump bands!

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | Professor Goddard does not know the relation between
                  | action and reaction and the need to have something
                  | better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems
                  | to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high
                  | schools.             -New York Times editorial, 1921

From k1lky at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 28 23:43:48 2010
From: k1lky at earthlink.net (Roy Morgan)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:43:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paper slitter update
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimR6sEg9mFoXbPKcrQX8PE7fjf1bzrtFrtvTdRL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimR6sEg9mFoXbPKcrQX8PE7fjf1bzrtFrtvTdRL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECBBEA4A-DE6B-418F-B15D-4F37E7F06F4B@earthlink.net>


On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

> Sadly the slitter became scrap in March

Pete,

Too bad!

> The owner is seriously considering closing up this 100 y/o shop,
> laying off and and just giving up.

What is the business of the shop?  (Maybe  you said earlier but a  
reminder would be good.)

Too many 100 year old businesses have shut down.

Roy


Roy Morgan
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529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Tue Jun 29 12:34:42 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:34:42 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need Capacitor for KSR-33
Message-ID: <4C29F672.20204.17E149F@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

My KSR-33 has been working flawlessly for several weeks 
now. Then disaster struck. A capacitor went bad, resulting 
in AC feeding in into the selector magnet resulting in its 
behaving as a buzzer when switched to the local loop.

It is the 1500 mfd 30 volt can mounted behind the Selector 
Magnet Driver card in the UCC-6.

Does anyone have a spare? Frustrating, but it was stored in 
a barn for 25+ years!

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 29 13:57:54 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:57:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need Capacitor for KSR-33
In-Reply-To: <4C29F672.20204.17E149F@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C29F672.20204.17E149F@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4C2A3422.608@bellsouth.net>

Dave Hunter wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a spare? 
If not - Mouser has caps (and caps and caps and caps).   I just finished 
a "go-round" with my o'scope - and wound up replacing several - Mouser 
had exactly what I wanted (better than originals), good price - and here 
in two days UPS ground (they're in the DWF area).
best regards...

-- 
randy guttery 

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From steveripper at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 01:00:08 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (steveripper at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:00:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need Capacitor for KSR-33
In-Reply-To: <4C29F672.20204.17E149F@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <1339716927.52191.1277874008679.JavaMail.root@sz0142a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dave:

I am quite sure I have these capacitors. I am in China this week, but if you send me the Teletype part number (most caps are marked with the p/n) I can check from here and if I do in fact have it I can send to you when I get home on 7/7.

Cheers,
Steve R.
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705 (P.S. My mobile phone works in China)

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Hunter <dhunter at islandregister.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:34:42 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need Capacitor for KSR-33

Hi All:

My KSR-33 has been working flawlessly for several weeks 
now. Then disaster struck. A capacitor went bad, resulting 
in AC feeding in into the selector magnet resulting in its 
behaving as a buzzer when switched to the local loop.

It is the 1500 mfd 30 volt can mounted behind the Selector 
Magnet Driver card in the UCC-6.

Does anyone have a spare? Frustrating, but it was stored in 
a barn for 25+ years!

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net


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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed Jun 30 04:04:52 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:04:52 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] (Fwd) Re:  Need Capacitor for KSR-33
Message-ID: <4C2AD074.376.8DFD9@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Steve:

On 30 Jun 2010 at 5:00, steveripper at comcast.net wrote:

> I am quite sure I have these capacitors. I am in China
> this week, but if you send me the Teletype part number
> (most caps are marked with the p/n) I can check from here
> and if I do in fact have it I can send to you when I get
> home on 7/7.

I do have a used one coming now from Rice, Steve, which 
hopefully will have some life left in it.

Thanks,

Dave

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From harrysmith1957 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 09:12:52 2010
From: harrysmith1957 at gmail.com (Harry Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:12:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [TCI] AN/UGC-504
In-Reply-To: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4C247FC1.8706.123869D@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUImtoyWHOfg98ckqepNF_TnAarDTZIcccNgI7@mail.gmail.com>

*Looks like you might find what you are looking for here:*
*
http://survivalebooks.blogspot.com/2009/12/us-army-technical-manuals-series-11.html
*
*Google is your friend!*
*Harry

*
"THERE IS NO TRY,
THERE IS ONLY DO
OR DO NOT"
Yoda

