From killroy321 at hotmail.com  Sat May  1 00:25:10 2010
From: killroy321 at hotmail.com (Richard Johnson)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:25:10 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] USS Midway
In-Reply-To: <050120100230.1737.4BDB92290006BA60000006C922230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF9D0A089F0E9D090A040AAB@att.net>
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I live here in San Diego, and have yet to visit the ship. I did go see it towed down around point loma, and then spun around in the bay from North Island to its current berth.

I know what one of the Hams that runs NI6IW is in the MRCG group. I met him at the FT MacArthur meet once. I dont remember his name. If I can find his card Ille bring it back up.

Regards

Rich Johnson

KI6EZA

www.RichardSJohnson.net
 
"Those who enjoy freedom must endeavor to preserve it."



 
> From: Telegrapher at att.net
> To: Greenkeys at mailman.qth.net; Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 02:30:01 +0000
> Subject: [GreenKeys] USS Midway
> 
> About two weeks ago i went ot San Diego to visit the USS Midway for the 2nd time. Not much open the first time around but this time it was a nice trip. I had wanted to go and see the ham shack operation of NI6IW which is the Midway ham call. Well no one seemed to know about that operation so i started looking around. Now take my words as a "non" squid so i don't know navy terms and designations but maybe you can follow along anyway.
> 
> Up on the Flight deck i went over to the Island where all the operations are conducted from. Captains and Admirals sleep there along with the guys controlling the movement of airplanes and ordenance and all that stuff. One sign said "Captains and Admirals Quarters" so i went thru that doorway. Don't know how they got any sleep in there so close to the deck with all the noise. Fairly nice quarters though i suppose for the time period. Thru the door past some other rooms i came upon apparently a comm room. Saw 6 mod 28's in there. Five ASR's and a KSR. All were covered with plastic display type coverings but each had printed out a message so you had to believe they were working when shut down. the three at the other end of the room were not accessable and taped off but if you knew what you were looking at then it wasn't a problem. Nice clean room. thru the next door was or must have been receiver central or control? I don't know but there were about 25 R-1051 receive
> rs in racks in the middle of the room. Around the walls was a bunch of other equipment, maybe some kind of mux's? Don't know. I did take a bunch of pictures so if anyone want's to see the stuff i can ship them out to you for identification. The 1051's were all in very nice shape. A couple of knobs were missing and some of the frequency change controls didn't move but otherwise very nice indeed. 
> 
> One of these days i'll find someone who can tell me how to find the Midway ham shack. If you get to San Diego and have never been on a floating airfield, it was indeed impressive to this land lubber! Great admiration for those fellows.
> 
> Larry
> W0OGH
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From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Sat May  1 07:36:31 2010
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 12:36:31 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] French barn find
In-Reply-To: <4BDBA412.5090204@orange.fr>
References: <4BD8EF4D.4030603@orange.fr>	<x2x75e5fca51004290158w8224c9e4l52953481c3332065@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BDBA412.5090204@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <4BDC123F.8030604@ntlworld.com>

Thierry Stora wrote:
>  Sam,
>  What you say about your Creed machine is most interesting as I have
>  also discovered since my first post that this machine is also part
>  mechanic and part electronic, I'll already look for more
>  information about these ITT-Creed teleprinters to see if these are
>  the same.
Thierry,
I'm glad there's some progress with your SAGEM.

I've just heard that there are eight (yes 8) Creed 2300s in various 
state of repair for free along with 2 reperforators and a few telex type 
bits and pieces. This is the last remnant of the late Alan Hobbs 
collection and must be picked up from Croydon, UK within two weeks.

I think the 2300 is probably the one I was thinking of being partly 
electronic and impossible to repair!

Cantact Kevin Sanderson for more details.
Kevin at phoneman.org

Cheer,
Sam


From bdtuttleman at att.net  Sat May  1 16:17:47 2010
From: bdtuttleman at att.net (Barry Tuttleman)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] FS: Original Teletype Corp. 33 manual
Message-ID: <89341.38925.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

for sale:

original factory Teletype Corp. manual: blue 3-ring binder in excellent condition, containing:

Bulletin 310B Vol. 1
Technical Manual
33 Teletypewriter Sets
Recieve  - Only (RO)
Keyboard Send - Receive (KSR)
Automatic Send - Receive (ASR)
Sept. 1974
Change 3

insides as clean as outsides.
photos available upon request.
$30.00 + actual USPS shipping charges w/ mandatory delivery confirmation & optional insurance; please email replies off-list, TIA!

barry
carson city, nv

From larryradio at att.net  Sat May  1 19:42:57 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:42:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Radio Room
Message-ID: <1648078637A341B5A48712A789586765@d2400>

Hi Folks,

I thought you might like to look around my radio room on this URL below.  Be sure to go to the "next page" to see more of my shack.  I think you'll like the battery room.

http://www.nonplused.org/panos/uss_pampanito/html/05.html

lar
K2JIA

From larryradio at att.net  Sat May  1 19:44:42 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:44:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] I forgot
Message-ID: <170F08E6EE7E4B7FB7D856A10F28EEBC@d2400>

If you press the left button on the mouse and move the mouse, you get a 360 degree view ! ! ! 

lar

From larryradio at att.net  Sun May  2 09:49:18 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:49:18 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] I forgot
References: <170F08E6EE7E4B7FB7D856A10F28EEBC@d2400>
	<9490BF25-5875-4326-B262-D23DA4D34B89@dls.net>
Message-ID: <FEDA2CD2A6164EE9AF7F41FF623367FD@ljt>

Hi Don,

It's a submarine museum docked in SF, I believe.

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>
To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
Cc: "Jim Swanberg" <riceguy at copper.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] I forgot


> Larry I feel very snug when watching this.  Looks more like a radio  
> locker than a radio room.
> Where is this located?
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> On 1 May 2010, at 6:44 PM, Larry Tighe wrote:
> 
> If you press the left button on the mouse and move the mouse, you get  
> a 360 degree view ! ! !
> 
> lar
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From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Sun May  2 11:35:18 2010
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:35:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention
Message-ID: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Everyone,

The ancestor of teletype, landline telegraph, will be demonstrated at the Morse Telegraph Club's booth at the 2010 Dayton amateur Hamvention, May 14th - 16th.  We'll be set up in booth SA0324.

We will be demonstrating all aspects of landline morse telegraphy and will be promoting:

* The Morse Telegraph Club
* The MorseKOB application an internet based virtual telegraph "wire". 
* Landline Morse in general

If you are planning to come to the Hamvention, please stop by our booth so we can extend a warm welcome to you.  We plan to have equipment displays, a working MorseKOB telegraph "office" on the internet, and promotional materials for the club.

Perhaps members of the Greenkeys list might consider doing something similar at future Hamventions.  It is possible to get a complimentary booth at the Hamvention with the proper non-profit credentials and paperwork.  If anyone is interested in doing this next year, I wouldn't mind dragging a Model 15 or other equipment to contribute to a display...something to think about.

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA

From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Sun May  2 11:45:16 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 08:45:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention
In-Reply-To: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>
References: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <4BDD9E0C.3020106@eskimo.com>

Hey Derek;

I'd like to know more about the internet virtual telegraph.

Where can I find information about it?

UE,
._ _   _.....   .   ...   .
tony

Derek Cohn/WB0TUA wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> * The MorseKOB application an internet based virtual telegraph "wire". 


-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | I used to think that the brain was the most
                  | wonderful organ in my body.
                  | Then I realized who was telling me this...
                  |                              - Emo Phillips

From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Sun May  2 13:02:20 2010
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:02:20 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention
References: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>
	<4BDD9E0C.3020106@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <7B6055D65D3A4787ABD3CBAAB72DDC0F@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Tony,

Here is a web page that shows our internet telegraph wire:

www.morsekob.org

We AFSK over the internet and hook our instruments up through an interace to 
the serial port on our PCs.

There is even a channel dedicated to teletype but I've never had time to get 
my act together to play with that.  In theory, the tty machines should 
operate over the virtual wire in a similar way the morse instruments do.

If you (or anyone else on the list) is interested in landline morse, I will 
be happy to help you get started.

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
To: "Derek Cohn/WB0TUA" <vibroplex at mindspring.com>
Cc: "Greenkeys ((E-mail))" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention


> Hey Derek;
>
> I'd like to know more about the internet virtual telegraph.
>
> Where can I find information about it?
>
> UE,
> ._ _   _.....   .   ...   .
> tony
>
> Derek Cohn/WB0TUA wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> * The MorseKOB application an internet based virtual telegraph "wire".
>
>
> -- 
> Tony J. Podrasky | I used to think that the brain was the most
>                  | wonderful organ in my body.
>                  | Then I realized who was telling me this...
>                  |                              - Emo Phillips 


From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Sun May  2 14:57:55 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:57:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention
In-Reply-To: <7B6055D65D3A4787ABD3CBAAB72DDC0F@dereka482e87c5>
References: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>	<4BDD9E0C.3020106@eskimo.com>
	<7B6055D65D3A4787ABD3CBAAB72DDC0F@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <4BDDCB33.7040502@eskimo.com>

Hi Derek;

I'll make one more post in the RTTY group - incase someone else
is interested, and then I'll switch to private e-mail with you.

I went to the website and downloaded the MorseKOB file.

When I clicked on it, Windows XP didn't know what to do with it.
I opened it with WORDPAD and it appears to be some kind of XML file.

I'm using I.E. Vers 6.0.2600 if it matters.

Oh - incase this matters: When I selected "Use the Web service to
find the appropriate program" it brought up Netscape (my
default browser) and went to a URL called "shell.windows.com".

regards,
tony

Derek Cohn/WB0TUA wrote:
> Hi Tony,
> 
> Here is a web page that shows our internet telegraph wire:
> 
> www.morsekob.org
> 

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
                  |
                  |         Three things are certain:
                  |         Death, taxes and lost data.
                  |         Guess which has occurred?

From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Sun May  2 15:08:55 2010
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:08:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention
References: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>	<4BDD9E0C.3020106@eskimo.com>
	<7B6055D65D3A4787ABD3CBAAB72DDC0F@dereka482e87c5>
	<4BDDCB33.7040502@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <DBD1F9E46AE74311B4E056202CC781AB@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Tony,

First of all, I'm delighted to hear that you are interested in Landline 
morse!  We'd love to have you join us "on the wire".  Our application was 
written by Les Kerr, N7RZ in Snoqualmie, WA.  Les also maintains the website 
for morsekob.org.  I'm including him on this e-mail so he can make some 
suggestions.

I apologize that this did not go exactly as planned and lets get input from 
Les.  I know we'll get this resolved for you.

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hunybuny at eskimo.com>
To: "Derek Cohn/WB0TUA" <vibroplex at mindspring.com>
Cc: "Greenkeys ((E-mail))" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention


> Hi Derek;
>
> I'll make one more post in the RTTY group - incase someone else
> is interested, and then I'll switch to private e-mail with you.
>
> I went to the website and downloaded the MorseKOB file.
>
> When I clicked on it, Windows XP didn't know what to do with it.
> I opened it with WORDPAD and it appears to be some kind of XML file.
>
> I'm using I.E. Vers 6.0.2600 if it matters.
>
> Oh - incase this matters: When I selected "Use the Web service to
> find the appropriate program" it brought up Netscape (my
> default browser) and went to a URL called "shell.windows.com".
>
> regards,
> tony
>
> Derek Cohn/WB0TUA wrote:
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> Here is a web page that shows our internet telegraph wire:
>>
>> www.morsekob.org
>>
>
> -- 
> Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
>                  |
>                  |         Three things are certain:
>                  |         Death, taxes and lost data.
>                  |         Guess which has occurred? 


From david at kirk.net  Sun May  2 17:09:24 2010
From: david at kirk.net (David Kirk)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 17:09:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Two Teletypes looking for a new home - M26 and M15
In-Reply-To: <4BD9D5DB.8070406@kirk.net>
References: <4BD9D5DB.8070406@kirk.net>
Message-ID: <4BDDEA04.3040107@kirk.net>

On 4/29/2010 2:54 PM, David Kirk wrote:
> I've had these two machines for well over 30 years, and the last 25+
> they have sat, covered up, in the basement. They need to find a new home
> now.

My part in the life journey of these two machines has come to pass and a 
new chapter is now ready to be written. A new owner has possession of 
them now and I'll let him fill in the details as he sees fit. I 
appreciate everyone's efforts and replies to find new residence for 
these classic works of art.

73's
David

From teletypeparts at aol.com  Sun May  2 20:24:45 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:24:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 Printwheel NU #184967
In-Reply-To: <002301cae79a$f74a1e10$961ca8c0@mss.local>
References: <002301cae79a$f74a1e10$961ca8c0@mss.local>
Message-ID: <8CCB86E2AF39FE1-D24-14BB8@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com>


Mike,,

Will check on the typewheel tomorrow.  Just back from Vacation.  Probably have one.

Wayne






-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hatch <mike at brickfieldspark.org>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 8:53 am
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 Printwheel NU #184967


Hi,
I'm on the lookout for an ASR33 typewheel NU type, teletyp part #184967 to 
eplace my very mangled typehead, anybody have one ?.
've tried Paul at mr_rtty at pacbell.net, but no luck. although he does have 
he other bits I need.  I'm quite willing to pay for it, and shipping to the 
K.
Best regards,
ike Hatch
Web - www.soemtron.org
DP-7 - www.soemtron.org/pdp7.html
mail - mike at soemtron.org
tock sale - www.soemtron.org/stockdisposalmenu.html
Looking for a PDP-7 (some hope!)

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From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun May  2 21:44:03 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:44:03 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Two Teletypes looking for a new home - M26 and M15
References: <4BD9D5DB.8070406@kirk.net> <4BDDEA04.3040107@kirk.net>
Message-ID: <C37CF09A9FC84B8DA90B4DB8ACD98E34@LAPTOP>

Sir - - -

Where are you located??

I am sure a home can be found for them, but inasmuch as they have 
considerable weight, it is good to know where their current home is located.

I am in Sequim, Washington, not far from Victoria, British Columbia..

If they are close, I woould be more than happy to see that they are taken 
care of an given to a new home.

Thanks for offering them to GreenKeys,

Sincerely,

George B. Hutchison - W7TTY



From jfoust at threedee.com  Mon May  3 08:22:47 2010
From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 07:22:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse Telegraph Club at Dayton Hamvention
In-Reply-To: <4BDDCB33.7040502@eskimo.com>
References: <C51E65E3F3244226B4EE2C71FA45DE2E@dereka482e87c5>
	<4BDD9E0C.3020106@eskimo.com>
	<7B6055D65D3A4787ABD3CBAAB72DDC0F@dereka482e87c5>
	<4BDDCB33.7040502@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <20100503122822.28E4F37380D0@mailman.qth.net>

At 01:57 PM 5/2/2010, hunybuny at eskimo.com wrote:
>I went to the website and downloaded the MorseKOB file.
>When I clicked on it, Windows XP didn't know what to do with it.
>I opened it with WORDPAD and it appears to be some kind of XML file.
>I'm using I.E. Vers 6.0.2600 if it matters.

Yes, that link tries to install and run a Java application.

Microsoft is up to IE 8.  You might need to upgrade, and you
might need to install Java from java.com.

- John


From Lester at veenstras.com  Sun May  2 03:04:08 2010
From: Lester at veenstras.com (Lester Veenstra)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:04:08 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Radio Room
In-Reply-To: <1648078637A341B5A48712A789586765@d2400>
References: <1648078637A341B5A48712A789586765@d2400>
Message-ID: <01ae01cae9c5$aaacf050$0006d0f0$@veenstras.com>

But much more to the point is:

http://www.nonplused.org/panos/uss_hornet/html/07.html



Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
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-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Tighe
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:43 AM
To: Greenkeys Greenkeys
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Radio Room

Hi Folks,

I thought you might like to look around my radio room on this URL below.  Be
sure to go to the "next page" to see more of my shack.  I think you'll like
the battery room.

http://www.nonplused.org/panos/uss_pampanito/html/05.html

lar
K2JIA
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Mon May  3 12:45:25 2010
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 12:45:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hornet Radio Room
In-Reply-To: <01ae01cae9c5$aaacf050$0006d0f0$@veenstras.com>
References: <1648078637A341B5A48712A789586765@d2400>
	<01ae01cae9c5$aaacf050$0006d0f0$@veenstras.com>
Message-ID: <20100503165218.BC1FC3738159@mailman.qth.net>

At 03:04 AM 5/2/2010, Lester Veenstra wrote:

>http://www.nonplused.org/panos/uss_hornet/html/07.html

Must be the time period Hornet was last refurbished.
Have never seen a radio room totally dependent on R-390's
like this one.  (was there an R-389 in there somewhere??)

Not a bad idea, (for maintenance purposes)  but there's
always been some mix of older and newer sets.

Perry  w8au


From k0bx at arrl.net  Mon May  3 13:25:21 2010
From: k0bx at arrl.net (k0bx at arrl.net)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Radio Room
In-Reply-To: <01ae01cae9c5$aaacf050$0006d0f0$@veenstras.com>
Message-ID: <150859.76638.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the nice pictures.?? I was on the USS Intrepid CVS-11 1969-1970 and the Hornet was our sister ship at Quonset Point, RI.? 

The CW positions in the pictures are almost identical to the ones on the Intrepid.? Even though I was a Radionman 2nd class I did not know the code.? So in 1969 I sat for many an hour listening to the Novice bands on one of those R390's until I got up to 5 wpm.

I pass my Novice test in Sept of 1969 aboard the Intrepid.

USS Intrepid callsign was NBQK.

Joe K0BX

Stop the insanity!

Please do not add me to any distribution lists (Joke, Stories or Junk) without my permission.

--- On Sun, 5/2/10, Lester Veenstra <Lester at veenstras.com> wrote:

From: Lester Veenstra <Lester at veenstras.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] My Radio Room
To: "'Larry Tighe'" <larryradio at att.net>, "'Greenkeys Greenkeys'" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 12:04 AM

But much more to the point is:

http://www.nonplused.org/panos/uss_hornet/html/07.html



Lester B Veenstra? M?YCM K1YCM
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-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Tighe
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:43 AM
To: Greenkeys Greenkeys
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Radio Room

Hi Folks,

I thought you might like to look around my radio room on this URL below.? Be
sure to go to the "next page" to see more of my shack.? I think you'll like
the battery room.

http://www.nonplused.org/panos/uss_pampanito/html/05.html

lar
K2JIA
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From larryradio at att.net  Mon May  3 18:40:39 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:40:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RCA KB
Message-ID: <C0C3696B3BF04D4EA268817DADC4F4FD@d2400>

Howdy Folks,

The RCA KB (eBay) with a "Here Is" option arrived today.  After lots of cleaning and much needed lubrication and, getting the KB contacts to conduct an electric current again, I ran the "Here Is" and it turned out to be W0BLR 
(W zero BLR) from Pittsburg KS...that's what the ID printed out.

He's no longer listed on QRZ.com but I found him in a 1991 Callbook.  Does anyone know or remember him...Leo S. Stafford?

Now, I just have to figure out how to program a Model 15 "Here Is" wheel.....it's reprogramable by movine pegs on wheels.  My Model 15's are from the RCA Global system.

lar
K2JIA

From teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon May  3 20:26:43 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:26:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] test message
Message-ID: <8CCB9379B73A260-123C-B504@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com>


This is a test message.  I cant seem to find a way to get to plain text in my new AOL page, now hi speed instead of dial up.  I think the messages are getting thru ok anyhow.

Wayne
KB1FDW




From steveripper at comcast.net  Mon May  3 23:40:56 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 23:40:56 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 26 Manuals/Docs
In-Reply-To: <C37CF09A9FC84B8DA90B4DB8ACD98E34@LAPTOP>
References: <4BD9D5DB.8070406@kirk.net> <4BDDEA04.3040107@kirk.net>
	<C37CF09A9FC84B8DA90B4DB8ACD98E34@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000001caeb3b$9be22f50$d3a68df0$@net>

I have a Teletype Model 26, but no manuals or documentation. I found very
little information to date so I thought I would ask the experts.

Is there any source on the web for manuals or other documentation for the
Model 26???

If not does anyone have any documentation that would be available for loan
or rent to scan and return, or for purchase???

Cheers,
 
Steve Ripper
steveripper at comcast.net
Mobile: 248-787-0705


From dmm at lemur.com  Tue May  4 01:58:16 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 00:58:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 26 Manuals/Docs
Message-ID: <201005040553.CWK78018@rg6.cniteam.com>


Steve Ripper asks:
>Is there any source on the web for manuals or other documentation for the
>Model 26???

There's a splendid collection of TTY manuals at:

http://www.hertzmail.com/TTY/
http://www.hertzmail.com/TTY/TeletypeManuals/

I believe that Jim Haynes did most of these digitizations.
There are a couple there for the Model 26.

Regards,
David M.
===
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   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From larryradio at att.net  Tue May  4 08:58:36 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:58:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 "Here Is"
Message-ID: <CD7B9EFDEE9F411397C176823A64E704@d2400>

This is a link to the Here Is mechanics mounted on the 15's KB.

Untitled Document

lar
K2JIA

From larryradio at att.net  Tue May  4 10:05:05 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:05:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 "Here Is"
Message-ID: <284C3A9E01D144F2B98E3195A124C2D4@ljt>

Sorry, my lack of nerdliness is showing....here's the link to pix of the 
mechanism....

http://antiquetelephone.com/teletype.html


Larry
K2JIA
Ill habits gather by unseen degrees,-
As brooks make rivers, rivers run to seas. 


From teletypeparts at aol.com  Tue May  4 10:55:00 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 10:55:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] test
Message-ID: <8CCB9B0E761473C-898-8FF6@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>




Thanks to all for the comeback on the test message.  No aol plain text options in the free mail, but seems to work so far.

Wayne
KB1FDW

From Til128 at aol.com  Wed May  5 11:00:25 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:00:25 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <3cb95.3ea2c77e.3912e209@aol.com>

Just a note to let everyone know that ITTY is  down due to storm damage. 
George's power has returned but not his DSL  internet.

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY  


From Til128 at aol.com  Wed May  5 15:36:30 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:36:30 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <5178d.c06b077.391322be@aol.com>

And we're in business again! Thanks,  George.

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY  


From info at lnet.com.ar  Thu May  6 02:02:59 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 03:02:59 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] USA Teletypesetter in Argentina
Message-ID: <055001caece1$ca1486a0$050aa8c0@michelle>

Hi there,

I have just seen a teletype in Argentina, and I was wondering what model it is.
It is a "Teletypesetter", probably from the 60s? News service may be?

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-86744348-maquina-de-teletipo-segunda-guerra-made-in-usamilitar-_JM

For sure you'll know much more about it than me :)

I will probably not run for this one, because of the shipping hassle (I am in Buenos Aires, and this is in another province)

REGARDS and thanks in advance!

Javier

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Thu May  6 08:32:55 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 07:32:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] USA Teletypesetter in Argentina
In-Reply-To: <055001caece1$ca1486a0$050aa8c0@michelle>
References: <055001caece1$ca1486a0$050aa8c0@michelle>
Message-ID: <4BE2B6F7.7050801@suddenlink.net>

On 5/6/2010 1:02 AM, Javier wrote:
> I have just seen a teletype in Argentina, and I was wondering what model it is.
> It is a "Teletypesetter", probably from the 60s? News service may be?
>
> For sure you'll know much more about it than me :)
>    
Or me for that matter, but I have a couple of comments.

6-level code. Used, I'm fairly sure of, to communicate with the 
automated typesetting equipment.
Looks like a tape punch. either from the keyboard, and perhaps also from 
an incoming line signal.
The price seems pretty high, to me at least, but perhaps it is justified 
by the scarcity of this unit?

That being said, I actually was more interested in seeing this variation 
of eBay even though my
Spanish is a bit rusty. ;-)

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From dmm at lemur.com  Thu May  6 09:55:42 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 08:55:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys]  USA Teletypesetter in Argentina
Message-ID: <201005061351.CWM03528@rg6.cniteam.com>


Javier wrote:
>I have just seen a teletype in Argentina, and I was wondering what model it is.
>It is a "Teletypesetter", probably from the 60s? News service may be?

and Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>6-level code. Used, I'm fairly sure of, to communicate with the 
>automated typesetting equipment.
>Looks like a tape punch. either from the keyboard, and perhaps also from 
>an incoming line signal.

Yes, it the Teletypesetter is 6-level equipment.

This unit is a Keyboard Perforator.  It punches 6-Level tape
(7/8 inch wide, standard 1/10 inch hole spacing, with the sproket
hole edges lined up with the leading edge of the regular punch holes,
not their centerlines).  It has no transmitter or receiver - it just
punches tape.

There were two variations on the Perforator, the "Standard Perforator"
and the "Multiface Perforator." This is probably a Standard,
but without a view of the right-hand side of the unit I cannot tell
for certain.  If it is a Standard Perforator then the right-hand side
will just be blank.  If it is a Multiface Perforator then there will
be a rectangular opening in it, about 100mm square with a smaller opening
in the frame behind it.  This was to accomodate a "magazine" or tray
of little brass tabs which adapted the Perforator to nonstandard
typefaces.

Here's a picture of a Standard Perforator:
http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/telegraphy/tty1/codes/fairchild-tts-more-type-in-less-time-c1-0600rgb-004-crop-3656x2880-cleaned-scale-1024x807.jpg

Here's a picture of a Multiface Perforator:
http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/telegraphy/tty1/codes/fairchild-tts-more-type-in-less-time-c1-0600rgb-017-rot0p3cw-crop-2650x2500-cleaned-scale-1024x966.jpg


The Teletypesetter was developed by a spin-off of the Teletype Corp.,
the Teletypesetter Corp.  They were closely associated, though
(my two Perforators say that they were manufactured by Teletype Corp.)
They were used to control Linotype and Intertype "hot metal" linecasting
composing machines.  

I'm in the (long, slow) process of putting more information about them
online.  For the moment, if you're interested, take a look at 

http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/telegraphy/tty1/codes/index.html

This is my overly-long essay on teleprinter codes. Section 9 describes
the Teletypesetter.  It also has an illustration showing the indicator
scales in greater detail:
http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/telegraphy/tty1/codes/fairchild-tts-more-type-in-less-time-c1-0600rgb-016-crop-2250x1900-scale-1024x865.jpg

Basically, the Teletypesetter keyboard operator had to know how the
Linotype machine was going to handle each line. These indicators had
this information. 

These Perforators did not print at all - the operator had to learn the
TTS code and read the tape.

The tape punched from this unit could either be fed directly into a
"Teletypesetter Operating Unit" attached to a Linotype or it could
be read by a 6-level-capable reader and transmitted.  On the receiving
end it could either be Reperforated into another tape or simply
printed (not typeset) on Model 20 type Teletype equipment.

I've just finished digitizing quite a bit of the documentation for
these machines - it isn't online yet, but I can put together PDFs of
it as needed.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   First do no harm. (Primum non nocere.)
       - possibly Galen; see also Hippocrates (Epidemics, Bk. I, Sect. XI.)
   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From dmm at lemur.com  Thu May  6 10:03:22 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 09:03:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] USA Teletypesetter in Argentina
Message-ID: <201005061358.CVD91627@rg7.cniteam.com>


And this is what happens when you write two different sentences
and join them together without proofreading:

>Yes, it the Teletypesetter is 6-level equipment.

Of course, I meant to say either:

"Yes, the Teletypesetter is 6-level equipment."
or
"Yes, it is 6-level equipment."

The irony of course is that in the days of the TTS proofreading
was quite important.

Regards,
David M.

===
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   First do no harm. (Primum non nocere.)
       - possibly Galen; see also Hippocrates (Epidemics, Bk. I, Sect. XI.)
   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold



From info at lnet.com.ar  Thu May  6 11:43:11 2010
From: info at lnet.com.ar (Javier)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:43:11 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] USA Teletypesetter in Argentina
References: <201005061358.CVD91627@rg7.cniteam.com>
Message-ID: <006801caed32$d7445d90$2101a8c0@michelle>

Thanks guys!!!
I'm glad to know the details!

So this is somewhat an odd creature... As for the price, yes it is 
ridiculous, anyway they have no idea what they are selling so they simply 
try...

The biggest irony is that today, in newspapers there are a LOT MORE errors 
because there is no more proofreading, I guess they just rely in MS Word ;) 
and they simply post the articles without actually checking! At least here 
in Argentina that has been very noticeable in the last 10-15 years...


REGARDS!

Javier LU8AJA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dmm at lemur.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] USA Teletypesetter in Argentina


>
> And this is what happens when you write two different sentences
> and join them together without proofreading:
>
>>Yes, it the Teletypesetter is 6-level equipment.
>
> Of course, I meant to say either:
>
> "Yes, the Teletypesetter is 6-level equipment."
> or
> "Yes, it is 6-level equipment."
>
> The irony of course is that in the days of the TTS proofreading
> was quite important.
>
> Regards,
> David M.
>
> ===
> Dr. [in English Lit, but you'd never know it this morning!]  David M. 
> MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
>   First do no harm. (Primum non nocere.)
>       - possibly Galen; see also Hippocrates (Epidemics, Bk. I, Sect. XI.)
>   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
>       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
>
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu May  6 23:58:55 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 00:58:55 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fairchild Teletypesetter Standard Perforator
Message-ID: <4BE365CF.19345.1B13C3@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

Does anyone know anything about the Fairchild 
Teletypesetter Standard Perforator? I understand it was 
originally designed and made by Teletype Corp., but after 
the Western Electric/Bell purchase of the corporation, they 
divested themselves of the non-telecommunication products 
and sold it to Fairchild.

Am I correct in this, and does anyone have any 
documentation for it? I have one being given to me, and it 
will be here sometime next week when a gentleman arrives 
from Ontario...

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From dmm at lemur.com  Fri May  7 00:40:22 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 23:40:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fairchild Teletypesetter Standard Perforator
Message-ID: <201005070435.CVE31797@rg7.cniteam.com>


Today must be the day for Teletypesetters!

Dave Hunter asks:
>Does anyone know anything about the Fairchild 
>Teletypesetter Standard Perforator? 

I know a very little about them, although I've never seen on in 
operation.  I'm researching them as much as I can because of
their association with Linotypes.

I've got a fair bit of the documentation about these machines
digitized.  I hope to have it all online someday, but for now
drop me a line offlist with your address and I'll postal-mail
you DVD+R disks with the scans.  I've digitized some service 
bulletins, the parts books, and the operator's instruction book
and reference (also some price lists and very old specification
bulletins, but they'd be of lesser interest).

In the interim, take a look at:

http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/temp/fairchild-tts-more-type-in-less-time-c1-0600rgb-25pct-of-600dpi.pdf

which is a Fairchild-era brochure for the Teletypesetter system.

See also pp 16-17 of _The Teletype Story_:
http://www.rtty.com/TTYSTORY/page18.jpg
http://www.rtty.com/TTYSTORY/page19.jpg

I also did a very quick, most insufficient, overview of the 
Teletypesetter in section 9 of my recent writeup on the evolution 
of certain teleprinter codes (including the TTS code); section 8
gives a quick overview of Linotypes (essential for understanding
why the TTS was the TTS).

http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/telegraphy/tty1/codes/index.html

Dave continues:
>I understand it was 
>originally designed and made by Teletype Corp., but after 
>the Western Electric/Bell purchase of the corporation, they 
>divested themselves of the non-telecommunication products 
>and sold it to Fairchild.

I don't yet know the details of the Fairchild purchase of the
Teletypesetter Corp. (the Fairchild doc linked above does give
a date, though - 1958, long after the Bell acquisition of TTY Corp).
If anyone on the list knows more of this, or of why ATT/WE/TTY divested
TTS, I'd love to learn.

The Teletypesetter originated in the late 1920s,
when the head of the Gannett newspaper syndicate decided to
push for it.  He and his engineer (Morey) discovered that
Teletype had the blocking patents, so they joined forces with
Morkrum-Kleinschmidt just around the time they became Teletype Corp.
I believe the Kleinschmidt himself was involved with the TTS project.

There is one contemporary article online.
If you're interested, go to the Google Books "Advanced Search" page,
enter "teletypesetter"in the top search field (the "all of the words" field)
and enter Popular Science in the "Title" field.  Optionally click
the "Full View Only" button.  Then search.
This brings up Popular Science, vol. 114, no. 3 (March, 1929), pp. 23-24,
an article by John E. Lodge on "Setting the Type by Wire!"

Neither do I know the exact relationship of the Teletypesetter Corp.
to the Teletype Corp.  It must have been a very close relationship,
because my two (alas incomplete) Teletypesetter Multiface Perforators
have maker's plates in them identifying the manufacturer as the
Teletype Corp.


As I wrote in an earlier posting today (indeed, the day for 
Teletypesetters), the Standard Perforator is a 6-level keyboard
perforator without any send or receive capability.  7/8 inch tape.
You could drive a suitably equippped Linotype from the tape,
or read-and-transmit it with a 6-level capable Transmitter-Distributor.
The Teletype Corp 20 Type equipment could print it, although
I presume without the typographical niceties (I don't have a Model 20
yet, unfortunately).


In any case, I don't want to bore the list by rattling on, and my
own knowledge is quite limited - I only started studying the TTS
in any detail in December when I happened across a binder full of
1930s vintage TTS specs that needed preservation) - but if you have
any questions please ask.  If I don't know, I should learn.  There
are still a few folks in the hot metal community with TTS experience,
so now is the time to ask.

Congratulations on your new acquisition.  Now you need to get
a Linotype or Intertype linecaster to go with it!

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From Packard42 at gmail.com  Fri May  7 21:34:20 2010
From: Packard42 at gmail.com (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:34:20 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] My memory... Your need...
Message-ID: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>

I sent one of you a new type-box that was missing the "#" aka  
Octothorp, Number sign, or Pound sign..
I want to send it to you but I have several Byrons, Brians, and Bryans  
on my email lists...

Please reply... my good little brother Rice has one to mail to you.
He asks "Does he need the spring?

Thanks for your patience with me...

Don
K9TTY

The problem with aging is that we forget that we forget after a  
lifetime of remembering just about everything...
SIGH



From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Fri May  7 22:27:12 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:27:12 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] My memory... Your need...
In-Reply-To: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>
References: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>

Don Robert House wrote:
> I sent one of you a new type-box that was missing the "#" aka  
> Octothorp, Number sign, or Pound sign..

Crosshatch. You forgot crosshatch.

UE,
W6ESE - tony
NNNNZCZC

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | "I read somewhere that 77 percent of all the
                  | mentally ill live in poverty. Actually, I'm more
                  | intrigued by the 23 per cent who are apparently
                  | doing quite well for themselves." -Jerry Garcia

From teletype at buzbee.net  Fri May  7 23:06:02 2010
From: teletype at buzbee.net (Bill Buzbee)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:06:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] My memory... Your need...
In-Reply-To: <4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>
References: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>
	<4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <x2ld98bbad31005072006m9120706fw2195eefe0234426f@mail.gmail.com>

Also known as "splat" in my neck of the woods.

...Bill

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:27 PM, <hunybuny at eskimo.com> wrote:

> Don Robert House wrote:
> > I sent one of you a new type-box that was missing the "#" aka
> > Octothorp, Number sign, or Pound sign..
>
> Crosshatch. You forgot crosshatch.
>
> UE,
> W6ESE - tony
> NNNNZCZC
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri May  7 23:25:48 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:25:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] My memory... Your need...
In-Reply-To: <4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>
References: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>
	<4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005072225200.2190@localhost>

On Fri, 7 May 2010, hunybuny at eskimo.com wrote:

> Don Robert House wrote:
>> I sent one of you a new type-box that was missing the "#" aka
>> Octothorp, Number sign, or Pound sign..
>
> Crosshatch. You forgot crosshatch.

and "hash"



From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri May  7 23:28:07 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:28:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] My memory... Your need...
In-Reply-To: <x2ld98bbad31005072006m9120706fw2195eefe0234426f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>
	<4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>
	<x2ld98bbad31005072006m9120706fw2195eefe0234426f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005072226400.2190@localhost>

On Fri, 7 May 2010, Bill Buzbee wrote:

> Also known as "splat" in my neck of the woods.
>
I thought splat was for star, or asterisk

We have !  is bang or shriek
         ~  is squiggle
         ^  is hat
and I don't know how to make it, but two dots - umlaut - is snake eyes


From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Fri May  7 23:32:57 2010
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:32:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free teletype stuff
Message-ID: <CB2C48482B8D4DCD9A2A8D547DD966B4@dereka482e87c5>

Hi Everyone,

For the past year or so, I've had a box of miscellaneous teletype items.  Many of the items in the box are old, dirty Teletype corporation paper envelopes that are stapled shut with part numbers on them.  Others are just loose things in the box.   As you guys know, I'll be going to the Dayton Hamvention and can bring any of this stuff with me.   I'll start listing this stuff here first in case any of you guys want me to mail it if you're not going to the hamvention.  Most of this stuff I have no idea what it is so you'll need to know the part numbers or look 'em up.  Here's the first bunch:

4-76167
4-3640
2-119534
2-6746 - this is the frame 
1-120575 "Backstop, Type bar"
Letter "J/TAB" key for a Model 28

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA

From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Fri May  7 23:40:38 2010
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:40:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
Message-ID: <9F5F4A7184EF40ECA3BF4907EA346F91@dereka482e87c5>

Here are some more parts:

Motor:

http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20001.jpg
http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20002.jpg
http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20003.jpg

Mainshaft:
http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20004.jpg

I think both of these are Model 15s but you know better than me.

Free delivery to Dayton Hamvention or postage from St. Louis, MO.

Thanks,
    
Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA

From teletype at buzbee.net  Fri May  7 23:57:53 2010
From: teletype at buzbee.net (Bill Buzbee)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:57:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] My memory... Your need...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005072226400.2190@localhost>
References: <DE2C78A6-D521-48C1-97B5-15427C3767AC@gmail.com>
	<4BE4CC00.9090604@eskimo.com>
	<x2ld98bbad31005072006m9120706fw2195eefe0234426f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1005072226400.2190@localhost>
Message-ID: <r2od98bbad31005072057occe26a32rc898e2e216e0b2c@mail.gmail.com>

..snip
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 May 2010, Bill Buzbee wrote:
>
>  Also known as "splat" in my neck of the woods.
>>
>>  I thought splat was for star, or asterisk
>
> Oops - yes, you're right.   So much for my memory....
..Bill

We have !  is bang or shriek
>        ~  is squiggle
>        ^  is hat
> and I don't know how to make it, but two dots - umlaut - is snake eyes
>
>

From larryradio at att.net  Sat May  8 10:04:57 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:04:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
References: <9F5F4A7184EF40ECA3BF4907EA346F91@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <F4742F0DF80E483CBB7BEF8AE1397D5E@ljt>

http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20003.jpg

I don't think this is a tty motor...I think it was a fly spot scanner used 
in the first tv picture transmissions  LOL

lar 


From rlaag at pacbell.net  Sat May  8 11:46:24 2010
From: rlaag at pacbell.net (Robert Laag)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:46:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
In-Reply-To: <F4742F0DF80E483CBB7BEF8AE1397D5E@ljt>
Message-ID: <17603.4081.qm@web180415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I REMEMBER THIS, IT WAS MY TAPE ADVANCE CONTROLLER ON MY EARLY COMPUTER...?? HI HI??? BOB...

--- On Sat, 5/8/10, Larry Tighe <larryradio at att.net> wrote:

From: Larry Tighe <larryradio at att.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
To: "Derek Cohn/WB0TUA" <vibroplex at mindspring.com>, "Greenkeys ((E-mail))" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 7:04 AM

http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20003.jpg

I don't think this is a tty motor...I think it was a fly spot scanner used 
in the first tv picture transmissions? LOL

lar 

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From brooke at pacific.net  Sat May  8 11:23:26 2010
From: brooke at pacific.net (Brooke Clarke)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 08:23:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
In-Reply-To: <9F5F4A7184EF40ECA3BF4907EA346F91@dereka482e87c5>
References: <9F5F4A7184EF40ECA3BF4907EA346F91@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <4BE581EE.1070702@pacific.net>

Hi Derek:

The holes in the disk are all at the same radius so it's not a flying 
spot scanner.
There appears to be an optical source/sensor across the holes which 
would allow this device to generate something like a square wave.
How many holes and what's the RPM of the motor?  Can you see a part 
number on the optical source/sensor?

To free up the mainshaft Kroil may work.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com


Derek Cohn/WB0TUA wrote:
> Here are some more parts:
>
> Motor:
>
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20001.jpg
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20002.jpg
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20003.jpg
>
> Mainshaft:
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20004.jpg
>
> I think both of these are Model 15s but you know better than me.
>
> Free delivery to Dayton Hamvention or postage from St. Louis, MO.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Derek Cohn
> Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
> Office UD, Sine DJ
> Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
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From nagle at animats.com  Sat May  8 12:46:05 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:46:05 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.101.1273334443.2800.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.101.1273334443.2800.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BE5954D.2020906@animats.com>

> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
> To: "Derek Cohn/WB0TUA" <vibroplex at mindspring.com>,	
> 
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20003.jpg
> 
> I don't think this is a tty motor...I think it was a fly spot scanner used 
> in the first tv picture transmissions  LOL
> 
> lar 

     No, that disk is just a homebrew tachometer with an LED/photodiode
detector.  It's a governed (non-synchronous) motor; the lever next
to the encoder wheel is for adjusting the governor.  The stock
adjustment procedure involves a flywheel with black and white stripes,
and a tuning fork with fins that open and close through which the
stripes are viewed.  This looks like a mod someone might have made
in the 1970s.

    A flying spot scanner usually uses a Nipkow disk, with a spiral of holes.
There are several in the Henry Ford Museum, in Dearborn, MI.

					John Nagle

From larryradio at att.net  Sat May  8 13:31:57 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:31:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor
References: <9F5F4A7184EF40ECA3BF4907EA346F91@dereka482e87c5>
	<4BE581EE.1070702@pacific.net>
Message-ID: <090CD506CEFD48C2BDCF26F8F663F32E@d2400>

Please, folks....I was joking re: flying spot scanner ! ! !

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brooke Clarke" <brooke at pacific.net>
To: "Derek Cohn/WB0TUA" <vibroplex at mindspring.com>
Cc: "Greenkeys ((E-mail))" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Free Main Shaft and Motor


Hi Derek:

The holes in the disk are all at the same radius so it's not a flying
spot scanner.
There appears to be an optical source/sensor across the holes which
would allow this device to generate something like a square wave.
How many holes and what's the RPM of the motor?  Can you see a part
number on the optical source/sensor?

To free up the mainshaft Kroil may work.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com


Derek Cohn/WB0TUA wrote:
> Here are some more parts:
>
> Motor:
>
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20001.jpg
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20002.jpg
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20003.jpg
>
> Mainshaft:
> http://www.railroadmorse.com/tty%20004.jpg
>
> I think both of these are Model 15s but you know better than me.
>
> Free delivery to Dayton Hamvention or postage from St. Louis, MO.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Derek Cohn
> Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
> Office UD, Sine DJ
> Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA
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From ldesoto at comcast.net  Sun May  9 01:00:46 2010
From: ldesoto at comcast.net (Larry DeSoto)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 22:00:46 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT - TU-26B & T&27B
References: <9F5F4A7184EF40ECA3BF4907EA346F91@dereka482e87c5>
Message-ID: <001a01caef34$964b5e20$b97ba8c0@jlselarry>

OFF TOPIC

I have two tuning units, a TU-26B and a TU-27B, in need of a good home if 
anyone is interested.

Larry - WA5MLH 


From maxtaz at shaw.ca  Sun May  9 14:18:29 2010
From: maxtaz at shaw.ca (David)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:18:29 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal 8000A
Message-ID: <A95484AD95CA4C1390D8B67AA8C38FDA@RadioRoom>

Greetings. Has anyone hooked up the Hal 8000A to work with a PK232 and if so 
what did you do to make it work and also what program did you use with the 
232.
I would like to get my 8000A and 232 working together.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Dave   VA7DG 


From k0bx at arrl.net  Sun May  9 21:32:08 2010
From: k0bx at arrl.net (K0BX)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 01:32:08 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal 8000A
In-Reply-To: <A95484AD95CA4C1390D8B67AA8C38FDA@RadioRoom>
References: <A95484AD95CA4C1390D8B67AA8C38FDA@RadioRoom>
Message-ID: <4BE76218.5020705@arrl.net>

Dave, I have never owned a Hal 8000A but on my website is an article on 
how Bob Boyd - W1VXV hooked his up to a PK-232.
I  had my PK-232 hooked up with a Dovtron MPC-1000C.  I used the Dovtron 
has the front end using the output RS-232 to drive the pk-232.
I used the PK-232 for Transmit using FSK.  Worked very well.

Hope  you can make use of the article at:

http://www.qsl.net/k0bx/st8000.htm


Joe K0BX

David wrote:

>Greetings. Has anyone hooked up the Hal 8000A to work with a PK232 and if so 
>what did you do to make it work and also what program did you use with the 
>232.
>I would like to get my 8000A and 232 working together.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dave   VA7DG 
>
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From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon May 10 18:14:43 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 17:14:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 19 available
Message-ID: <000401caf08e$31f45980$95dd0c80$@net>

ZCZC

 

There's a complete (except for the table) Model 19 available in
Cheshire, CT.

I stumbled upon this on the Internet. Owner is a former Bell Labs/SNET
guy.

He'd like $50 for it, but I would think he'd be negotiable if someone
was

standing there offering to take it away. 

 

I don't know the people at all.

 

Contact:

 

Scott Troemel 

scotttroemel at comcast.net

 

Scott can provide pictures.

 

Good luck...please don't let this thing go to the scrapper!

 

Jack K0TTY

 

NNNN

 


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed May 12 07:28:21 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:28:21 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
Message-ID: <4BEA66A5.26091.83E90B@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I finally have the ASR-33 working as it should. Finally, I 
gave up on the original printer on it, as it was giving me 
too many headaches with its rust, and will keep it for 
spare parts, and got another much cleaner one with NO rust 
thanks to Wayne Durkee.

I will be updating the RTTY/Teletype page at:
http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html
soon to cover the latest events.

The machine is working great now, for the first time in 
over 20 years. I still need to finish lubricating it, and 
to install grommets in the ribbon I am using it with 
(British Navy NOS, but dried out and no rivets), a bit of 
clean-up, then buff the covers.

I also put a page showing details and parts of the new 
printer on the above site.

Dave, VY2AC

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From larryradio at att.net  Wed May 12 09:50:11 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:50:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
References: <4BEA66A5.26091.83E90B@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <9BE74684830A443299C106E6C51BBE92@ljt>

I still need to finish lubricating it, and
to install grommets in the ribbon
=============================

I just tie a knot in the ribbon where a grommet would go and it works 
fine....on 28's and 15's...don't know about a plastic machine but would 
expect the same good results.

lar
K2JIA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:28 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33


> Hi All:
>
> I finally have the ASR-33 working as it should. Finally, I
> gave up on the original printer on it, as it was giving me
> too many headaches with its rust, and will keep it for
> spare parts, and got another much cleaner one with NO rust
> thanks to Wayne Durkee.
>
> I will be updating the RTTY/Teletype page at:
> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html
> soon to cover the latest events.
>
> The machine is working great now, for the first time in
> over 20 years. I still need to finish lubricating it, and
> to install grommets in the ribbon I am using it with
> (British Navy NOS, but dried out and no rivets), a bit of
> clean-up, then buff the covers.
>
> I also put a page showing details and parts of the new
> printer on the above site.
>
> Dave, VY2AC
>
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
>
>
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From mike at soemtron.org  Wed May 12 10:13:45 2010
From: mike at soemtron.org (Mike Hatch)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:13:45 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  ASR-33
References: <4BEA66A5.26091.83E90B@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<9BE74684830A443299C106E6C51BBE92@ljt>
Message-ID: <002101caf1dd$5621c2c0$961ca8c0@mss.local>

> I just tie a knot in the ribbon where a grommet would go and it works
> fine....on 28's and 15's...don't know about a plastic machine but would
> expect the same good results.

We used to do that on the MOD's  ASR35's and 33's.
That little trick works on quite a few bits of kit that use typewriter style 
ribbons, including my old printing calculator.
Mike. www.soemtron.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
To: <dhunter at islandregister.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33


>I still need to finish lubricating it, and
> to install grommets in the ribbon
> =============================
>
> I just tie a knot in the ribbon where a grommet would go and it works
> fine....on 28's and 15's...don't know about a plastic machine but would
> expect the same good results.
>
> lar
> K2JIA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:28 AM
> Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
>
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I finally have the ASR-33 working as it should. Finally, I
>> gave up on the original printer on it, as it was giving me
>> too many headaches with its rust, and will keep it for
>> spare parts, and got another much cleaner one with NO rust
>> thanks to Wayne Durkee.
>>
>> I will be updating the RTTY/Teletype page at:
>> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html
>> soon to cover the latest events.
>>
>> The machine is working great now, for the first time in
>> over 20 years. I still need to finish lubricating it, and
>> to install grommets in the ribbon I am using it with
>> (British Navy NOS, but dried out and no rivets), a bit of
>> clean-up, then buff the covers.
>>
>> I also put a page showing details and parts of the new
>> printer on the above site.
>>
>> Dave, VY2AC
>>
>> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
>> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
>> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From larryradio at att.net  Wed May 12 11:16:05 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:16:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Any part you need is here! ! !
Message-ID: <26DA18CFDD304EE9A750C2F28ACF2DCB@ljt>

Howdy Folks,

This is a link to an amazing machine that can duplicate almost any part you 
need.  It's an 8 minute video showing an impossible part for a car being 
duplicated by a computer.  Yes, it duplicates gears too...Rice! ! !

http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/9e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81



Larry
K2JIA


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed May 12 12:33:00 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:33:00 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
In-Reply-To: <9BE74684830A443299C106E6C51BBE92@ljt>
References: <4BEA66A5.26091.83E90B@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<9BE74684830A443299C106E6C51BBE92@ljt>
Message-ID: <4BEAAE0C.25944.19AD026@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Larry and all:

Now, that sounds as if it would work. The problem was, that 
I used my only good ribbon in my Model 28 ASR, and that 
left me only with a couple of NOS, but dried out British 
Navy ribbons, made for a European machine. They had no 
rivets at the ends, and I had to swap spools to make them 
work...

However, with this little trick, they should work just 
great.

Thanks,

Dave


On 12 May 2010 at 9:50, Larry Tighe wrote:

> I just tie a knot in the ribbon where a grommet would go and
> it works fine....on 28's and 15's...don't know about a
> plastic machine but would expect the same good results.
> 
> lar



Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From maxtaz at shaw.ca  Wed May 12 12:52:27 2010
From: maxtaz at shaw.ca (David)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:52:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fw:  Hal 8000A
Message-ID: <3EAD311C21424B9BA25D657ECE5C289C@RadioRoom>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <maxtaz at shaw.ca>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal 8000A


> Greetings. Has anyone hooked up the Hal 8000A to work with a PK232 and if 
> so
> what did you do to make it work and also what program did you use with the
> 232.
> I would like to get my 8000A and 232 working together.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave   VA7DG
>
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From k9tty at dls.net  Wed May 12 21:52:12 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:52:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon Reversing Eyelets...
In-Reply-To: <002101caf1dd$5621c2c0$961ca8c0@mss.local>
References: <4BEA66A5.26091.83E90B@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<9BE74684830A443299C106E6C51BBE92@ljt>
	<002101caf1dd$5621c2c0$961ca8c0@mss.local>
Message-ID: <E01D5FA5-9906-4117-B5AC-65614385B679@dls.net>

While a knot may work, it is almost easier (and less ink on your hands)
to use an eyelet tool and an eyelet that are available at just about any
store that carries sewing supplies.  You can also use the "tit" portion
of a snap with the same tool if you don't find the eyelets.

Don
K9TTY


On 12 May 2010, at 9:13 AM, Mike Hatch wrote:

> I just tie a knot in the ribbon where a grommet would go and it works
> fine....on 28's and 15's...don't know about a plastic machine but  
> would
> expect the same good results.

We used to do that on the MOD's  ASR35's and 33's.
That little trick works on quite a few bits of kit that use typewriter  
style
ribbons, including my old printing calculator.
Mike. www.soemtron.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
To: <dhunter at islandregister.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33


> I still need to finish lubricating it, and
> to install grommets in the ribbon
> =============================
>
> I just tie a knot in the ribbon where a grommet would go and it works
> fine....on 28's and 15's...don't know about a plastic machine but  
> would
> expect the same good results.
>
> lar
> K2JIA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:28 AM
> Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
>
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I finally have the ASR-33 working as it should. Finally, I
>> gave up on the original printer on it, as it was giving me
>> too many headaches with its rust, and will keep it for
>> spare parts, and got another much cleaner one with NO rust
>> thanks to Wayne Durkee.
>>
>> I will be updating the RTTY/Teletype page at:
>> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html
>> soon to cover the latest events.
>>
>> The machine is working great now, for the first time in
>> over 20 years. I still need to finish lubricating it, and
>> to install grommets in the ribbon I am using it with
>> (British Navy NOS, but dried out and no rivets), a bit of
>> clean-up, then buff the covers.
>>
>> I also put a page showing details and parts of the new
>> printer on the above site.
>>
>> Dave, VY2AC
>>
>> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
>> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
>> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
>>
>>
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From Til128 at aol.com  Wed May 12 22:44:48 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:44:48 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Test set
Message-ID: <24228.4b1d78dd.391cc1a0@aol.com>

If anyone is  interested:

<http://cgi.ebay.com/Signal-Corps-Test-Set-TS-2-TG-/200471204893?cmd=ViewIte
m&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ead03d41d>


73,
Tom  Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY  


From k9tty at dls.net  Wed May 12 23:23:37 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:23:37 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TS-2/TG Test set
In-Reply-To: <24228.4b1d78dd.391cc1a0@aol.com>
References: <24228.4b1d78dd.391cc1a0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <314805C0-3890-4A9B-B030-CAC46E2370F2@dls.net>

These are nifty generators.  At one time I owned three models...  
TS-2,-2B,-2C.
I have the original TS-2 here.  It works just fine but is very large  
and heavy.
The seller, Tom Jennings is a good man.  Used to be a large  
contributor to Greenkeys.

Don
K9TTY


On 12 May 2010, at 9:44 PM, Til128 at aol.com wrote:

If anyone is  interested:

<http://cgi.ebay.com/Signal-Corps-Test-Set-TS-2-TG-/200471204893?cmd=ViewIte
m&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ead03d41d>


73,
Tom  Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY

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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Thu May 13 07:51:32 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:51:32 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nearing Completion
Message-ID: <4BEBBD94.14981.971687@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I am nearly done with my KSR-33 project. 

I need one piece of advice.... The machine is missing the 
roller for the paper. Temporarily, I have been using a 
large wooden dowel through the paper roll to hold it, but 
am looking for a better solution.

I am wondering if a 3/4 inch outside piece of ABS or PVC 
electrical conduit might do a good job. I may pick a small 
section up this weekend anyway and give it a try if I don't 
end up having to buy a full length. I find the wooden 
dowell is rough enough that it can bind the paper roll.

This machine was the same one I used back in 1985 to serve 
as a printer for my C-64 computer. I loaned it to a friend 
who used it for a year, and then stored it in his barn for 
the next 20 some years. Most of the problems with the 
machine were associated wih this storage in less than ideal 
conditions.

I have it operating now thanks to the help of several 
members of this list providing parts and advice.

 Eventually, due to severe rusting on several parts of the 
machine, I decided to find a new (to me) printer assembly, 
and did so, which leaves me now with the old one for spare 
parts to maintain the machine in the future.

I still need buff its exterior, and then to hook up its 
loop to the computer and Heavy Metal to provide a TTY 
source for the museum display, and I will try to get that 
done this weekend. When I have that done, I will post 
another video on YouTube of the KSR-33 running.

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html

Next in line for restoration is a Fairchild Teletypesetter 
Standard Perforator which is due to be dropped off later 
this week, then hopefully a Model 15 or 19 whenever I find 
one in the Maritime Provinces.

My first restoration was to a Model 28 ASR donated to the 
display by Bernie MacIntyre. It was completed in the early 
spring, and links to its online video are available on the 
page linked below.

Thanks again to all who helped out with advice and parts! 
Greenkeys and its users are an incredible resource.

Dave


 

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Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From chrise at pobox.com  Thu May 13 13:32:03 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:32:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nearing Completion
In-Reply-To: <4BEBBD94.14981.971687@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4BEBBD94.14981.971687@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <20100513173203.GR12136@n0jcf.net>

Hi Dave...

I _just_ solved this problem a week ago or so.

It turns out that 3/4" ID black lawn sprinkler pipe is exactly the same
OD as the red plastic tube that was often supplied with the 33's.

Here in MN we have a DIY store called Menards and they sell this pipe
in short 5' lengths for under $2.  This is nice because a) it is cheap
and b) the lengths are straight.   If you buy it on a large roll, then
you'll have to find a way to straighten it possibly by heating, etc.

I nabbed a 5' length, cut it to the 9"+ length needed and was in business
and have a lot left over!

Let me know if you cannot find something locally and I can sure send
you a piece.

Chris N0JCF

On Thursday (05/13/2010 at 08:51AM -0300), Dave Hunter wrote:
> Hi All:
> 
> I am nearly done with my KSR-33 project. 
> 
> I need one piece of advice.... The machine is missing the 
> roller for the paper. Temporarily, I have been using a 
> large wooden dowel through the paper roll to hold it, but 
> am looking for a better solution.
> 
> I am wondering if a 3/4 inch outside piece of ABS or PVC 
> electrical conduit might do a good job. I may pick a small 
> section up this weekend anyway and give it a try if I don't 
> end up having to buy a full length. I find the wooden 
> dowell is rough enough that it can bind the paper roll.
> 
> This machine was the same one I used back in 1985 to serve 
> as a printer for my C-64 computer. I loaned it to a friend 
> who used it for a year, and then stored it in his barn for 
> the next 20 some years. Most of the problems with the 
> machine were associated wih this storage in less than ideal 
> conditions.
> 
> I have it operating now thanks to the help of several 
> members of this list providing parts and advice.
> 
>  Eventually, due to severe rusting on several parts of the 
> machine, I decided to find a new (to me) printer assembly, 
> and did so, which leaves me now with the old one for spare 
> parts to maintain the machine in the future.
> 
> I still need buff its exterior, and then to hook up its 
> loop to the computer and Heavy Metal to provide a TTY 
> source for the museum display, and I will try to get that 
> done this weekend. When I have that done, I will post 
> another video on YouTube of the KSR-33 running.
> 
> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html
> 
> Next in line for restoration is a Fairchild Teletypesetter 
> Standard Perforator which is due to be dropped off later 
> this week, then hopefully a Model 15 or 19 whenever I find 
> one in the Maritime Provinces.
> 
> My first restoration was to a Model 28 ASR donated to the 
> display by Bernie MacIntyre. It was completed in the early 
> spring, and links to its online video are available on the 
> page linked below.
> 
> Thanks again to all who helped out with advice and parts! 
> Greenkeys and its users are an incredible resource.
> 
> Dave

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From teletypeparts at aol.com  Thu May 13 14:16:24 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nearing Completion
In-Reply-To: <20100513173203.GR12136@n0jcf.net>
References: <4BEBBD94.14981.971687@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<20100513173203.GR12136@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <8CCC0DF8821BC51-EB0-F592@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>



Aluminum conduit, I forget what size is just a little smaller than original paper holder and that works fine as lots of paper has damaged or shrunken cardboard centers.    

Wayne





-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Elmquist <chrise at pobox.com>
To: Dave Hunter <dhunter at islandregister.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Nearing Completion


Hi Dave...
I _just_ solved this problem a week ago or so.
It turns out that 3/4" ID black lawn sprinkler pipe is exactly the same
D as the red plastic tube that was often supplied with the 33's.
Here in MN we have a DIY store called Menards and they sell this pipe
n short 5' lengths for under $2.  This is nice because a) it is cheap
nd b) the lengths are straight.   If you buy it on a large roll, then
ou'll have to find a way to straighten it possibly by heating, etc.
I nabbed a 5' length, cut it to the 9"+ length needed and was in business
nd have a lot left over!
Let me know if you cannot find something locally and I can sure send
ou a piece.
Chris N0JCF
On Thursday (05/13/2010 at 08:51AM -0300), Dave Hunter wrote:
 Hi All:
 
 I am nearly done with my KSR-33 project. 
 
 I need one piece of advice.... The machine is missing the 
 roller for the paper. Temporarily, I have been using a 
 large wooden dowel through the paper roll to hold it, but 
 am looking for a better solution.
 
 I am wondering if a 3/4 inch outside piece of ABS or PVC 
 electrical conduit might do a good job. I may pick a small 
 section up this weekend anyway and give it a try if I don't 
 end up having to buy a full length. I find the wooden 
 dowell is rough enough that it can bind the paper roll.
 
 This machine was the same one I used back in 1985 to serve 
 as a printer for my C-64 computer. I loaned it to a friend 
 who used it for a year, and then stored it in his barn for 
 the next 20 some years. Most of the problems with the 
 machine were associated wih this storage in less than ideal 
 conditions.
 
 I have it operating now thanks to the help of several 
 members of this list providing parts and advice.
 
  Eventually, due to severe rusting on several parts of the 
 machine, I decided to find a new (to me) printer assembly, 
 and did so, which leaves me now with the old one for spare 
 parts to maintain the machine in the future.
 
 I still need buff its exterior, and then to hook up its 
 loop to the computer and Heavy Metal to provide a TTY 
 source for the museum display, and I will try to get that 
 done this weekend. When I have that done, I will post 
 another video on YouTube of the KSR-33 running.
 
 http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html
 
 Next in line for restoration is a Fairchild Teletypesetter 
 Standard Perforator which is due to be dropped off later 
 this week, then hopefully a Model 15 or 19 whenever I find 
 one in the Maritime Provinces.
 
 My first restoration was to a Model 28 ASR donated to the 
 display by Bernie MacIntyre. It was completed in the early 
 spring, and links to its online video are available on the 
 page linked below.
 
 Thanks again to all who helped out with advice and parts! 
 Greenkeys and its users are an incredible resource.
 
 Dave
-- 
hris Elmquist
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From nagle at animats.com  Thu May 13 18:27:43 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:27:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ribbons
In-Reply-To: <mailman.99.1273766458.24000.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.99.1273766458.24000.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BEC7CDF.2010006@animats.com>

> From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
> To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4BEAAE0C.25944.19AD026 at dhunter.islandregister.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hi Larry and all:
> 
> Now, that sounds as if it would work. The problem was, that 
> I used my only good ribbon in my Model 28 ASR, and that 
> left me only with a couple of NOS, but dried out British 
> Navy ribbons, made for a European machine. They had no 
> rivets at the ends, and I had to swap spools to make them 
> work...
> 
> However, with this little trick, they should work just 
> great.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave

    You're working too hard.

    All the mechanical Teletypes use standard Underwood typewriter ribbons,
which are still available. They're Nukote B76 ribbons, available from Amazon.com:

	http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EFJY8U

    The original ribbons were cotton, and these are nylon, so they don't
last as long.  You can turn them over and use the other half, though.

					John Nagle

From k9tty at dls.net  Thu May 13 20:48:58 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:48:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Midway radio pictures
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net>
Message-ID: <8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>

LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST...

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...

DON

Begin forwarded message:

From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>
Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT
To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures

Don Robert House wrote:
>
> Can any of you help me with this location?
> Don
> K9TTY
>

> http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432
did I win ?????????


>
> From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>
> Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT
> To: "'Don Robert House'"
> Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures
> Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>
>
> OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:
>
>
>
> Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
> lester at veenstras.com
> m0ycm at veenstras.com
> k1ycm at veenstras.com
>
>
> US Postal Address:
> PSC 45 Box 781
> APO AE 09468 USA
>
> UK Postal Address:
> Dawn Cottage
> Norwood, Harrogate
> HG3 1SD, UK
>
> Telephones:
> Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385
> Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963
> Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654
> UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224
> US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335
> Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504
>
> This e-mail and any documents attached hereto contain confidential or
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>
>



From steveripper at comcast.net  Fri May 14 00:00:23 2010
From: steveripper at comcast.net (Steve Ripper)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:00:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron TBA-1000 Code Translator Documentation
Message-ID: <000e01caf319$fb039b50$f10ad1f0$@net>

Anyone know where one could find a manual and/or a schematic for a Dovetron
TBA-1000 Code Translator??? I have checked Google, but so far I have only
found a description of the TBA-1000.

 

Cheers,,

 

Steve Ripper

 <mailto:steveripper at comcast.net> steveripper at comcast.net

Mobile: 248-787-0705


From k9tty at dls.net  Fri May 14 01:42:38 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:42:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W220A566A22C89054221B62A3FD0@phx.gbl>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net>,
	<8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
	<SNT127-W220A566A22C89054221B62A3FD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01A71D37-228A-47B4-B3DA-CA5073B8156F@dls.net>

I guess the mystery continues...
Don


On 14 May 2010, at 12:36 AM, zeke440 . wrote:

Nope the array on the FLR 9 was much more substanial and there would  
have had a second
aray inside within 20-30 meters visable.... (it still stands (google  
maps sattelite image near Gersthofen GY)
the building in the picture is a givaway that it is not correct...  
even for Chicksands
I was stationed with the AN/FLR9 in Augsburg...





  Andy




CC: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
From: k9tty at dls.net
To: m0ycm at veenstras.com
Subject: Fwd: Midway radio pictures
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:48:58 -0500

LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST...

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...

DON

Begin forwarded message:

From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>
Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT
To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures

Don Robert House wrote:
Can any of you help me with this location?
Don
K9TTY


http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432
did I win ?????????



From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>
Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT
To: "'Don Robert House'"
Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures
Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>

OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:



Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
lester at veenstras.com
m0ycm at veenstras.com
k1ycm at veenstras.com


US Postal Address:
PSC 45 Box 781
APO AE 09468 USA

UK Postal Address:
Dawn Cottage
Norwood, Harrogate
HG3 1SD, UK

Telephones:
Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385
Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963
Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654
UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224
US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335
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From jcoward5452 at aol.com  Fri May 14 11:42:22 2010
From: jcoward5452 at aol.com (jcoward5452 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:42:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ribbons
In-Reply-To: <4BEC7CDF.2010006@animats.com>
References: <mailman.99.1273766458.24000.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4BEC7CDF.2010006@animats.com>
Message-ID: <8CCC1932DEBEA26-2010-CE30@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com>


Dried out ribbons can be revitalized with a bit of diesel oil per Dave Ross's method.We did it at MRCG meet this year and got nice bold print.
Jay KE6PPF






-----Original Message-----
From: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 3:27 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ribbons


> From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
 Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33
 To: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
 Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
 Message-ID: <4BEAAE0C.25944.19AD026 at dhunter.islandregister.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 
 Hi Larry and all:
 
 Now, that sounds as if it would work. The problem was, that 
 I used my only good ribbon in my Model 28 ASR, and that 
 left me only with a couple of NOS, but dried out British 
 Navy ribbons, made for a European machine. They had no 
 rivets at the ends, and I had to swap spools to make them 
 work...
 
 However, with this little trick, they should work just 
 great.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
    You're working too hard.
    All the mechanical Teletypes use standard Underwood typewriter ribbons,
hich are still available. They're Nukote B76 ribbons, available from 
mazon.com:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EFJY8U
    The original ribbons were cotton, and these are nylon, so they don't
ast as long.  You can turn them over and use the other half, though.
                    John Nagle
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From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Fri May 14 12:25:41 2010
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:25:41 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net>
	<8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
Message-ID: <4BED7985.7080302@ntlworld.com>

Don Robert House wrote:
> > Can any of you help me with this location? Don K9TTY
> > http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432

etc

I think I missed the start of this thread. I thought one of the pictures 
looked like it might have been Chicksands or a similar site elswehere.

You may be aware that Chicksands is just up the road from me here in 
Hitchin. The old elephant cage in the sky was quite visible for miles 
around. The town slightly East of the site is Shefford in Befordshire 
and the road running E-W just South is the A 507 which is not a bad way 
to get to Bletchley Park from here, by the way.

Cheers,
Sam


From Til128 at aol.com  Fri May 14 13:28:47 2010
From: Til128 at aol.com (Til128 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:28:47 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype ribbons
Message-ID: <c62f5.4ba51fe3.391ee24f@aol.com>

Hi all:

For those who are fed up with Diesel fuel, WD-40, Stoddard  fluid, paint 
thinner, Acetone, 
shoe polish, hair dye, XYL's cosmetics, or any other weird, dangerous,  
flammable, 
banned (benzene come to mind) item that the EPA would frown upon...this is  
just a 
reminder that I have ribbon ink for re inking ribbons. As some of you may  
know, Computer 
Friends seems to have gone out of business.

I am offering this ink  in 2 fl oz bottles for the grand sum of 8 bucks 
INCLUDING shipping 
to the lower 48. As those who had dealt with Computer Friends know, this is 
 a super 
savings over what they used to charge.

If you are interested, please  contact me off list.

73,
Tom Tillson
All things  electromechanical
Greenkeys
ITTY/East
Autostart
LL TTY
 

From pete at petelancashire.com  Fri May 14 14:37:44 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:37:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] On the E - Gould Signal Data Converter CV-3510/UG
Message-ID: <445111d741d1e7d22f37b1aea10486da.squirrel@petelancashire.com>

hast that magic word 'current loop'

Epay item number 220603733635

no assoc with the seller other then a very happy customer

-pete

From nagle at animats.com  Sat May 15 13:34:09 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:34:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Military current loop modem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.99.1273939252.26454.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.99.1273939252.26454.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BEEDB11.2090801@animats.com>


> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:37:44 -0700
> From: "Pete Lancashire" <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] On the E - Gould Signal Data Converter CV-3510/UG
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> 	<445111d741d1e7d22f37b1aea10486da.squirrel at petelancashire.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> has that magic word 'current loop'
> 
> Epay item number 220603733635

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220603733635

    That's a military FSK modem, of course.  Adjustable from 0
to 1KHz shift, but there's no base frequency adjustment, so
it's designed for use with a radio and BFO, not a wire line.

    Looks like a 20mA current loop device, since the green band
on the current loop meter is from 20mA to 30mA.  Probably a
late 1960s - early 1970s design.

					John Nagle

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat May 15 14:18:10 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] On the E - Gould Signal Data Converter CV-3510/UG
In-Reply-To: <445111d741d1e7d22f37b1aea10486da.squirrel@petelancashire.com>
References: <445111d741d1e7d22f37b1aea10486da.squirrel@petelancashire.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005151315040.3409@localhost>

If you google for CV-3510 you come up with, among other things, some 
information on shipborne RTTY converters and the URA-17F which it says
uses two CV-3510B units.  But the picture there is rather different
from the one in the ebay item.  I wonder if the ebay item might actually
be a test set to test the CV-3510B converter?  The 3510B is shown as a
rack mount unit, two of them used for diversity.

Jim W6JVE



From Lester at veenstras.com  Fri May 14 01:38:48 2010
From: Lester at veenstras.com (Lester Veenstra)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 06:38:48 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W220A566A22C89054221B62A3FD0@phx.gbl>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net>,
	<8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
	<SNT127-W220A566A22C89054221B62A3FD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <057401caf327$c16de7c0$4449b740$@veenstras.com>

No, 180 degrees out; One should not assume that the site is still
operational or even complete 

 

 

 

Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com

 

 

US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA

 

UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK

 

Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963 

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From: zeke440 . [mailto:asekely at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:36 AM
To: k9tty at dls.net; m0ycm at veenstras.com
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures

 

Nope the array on the FLR 9 was much more substanial and there would have
had a second 
aray inside within 20-30 meters visable.... (it still stands (google maps
sattelite image near Gersthofen GY)
the building in the picture is a givaway that it is not correct... even for
Chicksands
I was stationed with the AN/FLR9 in Augsburg... 
 
 



 

 Andy  




  

  _____  

CC: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
From: k9tty at dls.net
To: m0ycm at veenstras.com
Subject: Fwd: Midway radio pictures
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:48:58 -0500

LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST... 

 

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...

 

DON

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>

Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT

To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures

 

Don Robert House wrote: 

Can any of you help me with this location? 

Don

K9TTY

 





http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432

did I win ?????????





 

From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>

Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT

To: "'Don Robert House'" 

Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures

Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>

 

OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:

 

 

 

Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com

 

 

US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA

 

UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK

 

Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224

US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335

Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504 

 

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From Lester at veenstras.com  Fri May 14 09:48:29 2010
From: Lester at veenstras.com (Lester Veenstra)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:48:29 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net>
	<8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
Message-ID: <05ed01caf36c$23432160$69c96420$@veenstras.com>

NO JOY:  A very long way away

 

 

 

Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com

 

 

US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA

 

UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK

 

Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963 

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224 

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From: Don Robert House [mailto:k9tty at dls.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:49 AM
To: Lester Veenstra
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Fwd: Midway radio pictures

 

LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST...

 

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...

 

DON

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>

Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT

To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures

 

Don Robert House wrote: 

Can any of you help me with this location? 

Don

K9TTY

 





http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432

did I win ?????????





 

From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>

Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT

To: "'Don Robert House'" 

Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures

Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>

 

OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:

 

 

 

Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com

 

 

US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA

 

UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK

 

Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224

US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335

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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat May 15 16:27:19 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:27:19 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fairchild Teletypesetter Standard Perforator Arrives
	Plus!!!
Message-ID: <4BEED977.8546.29F45F2@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

My Fairchild Teletypesetter arrived today. It is filthy, 
rusty, but looks as though it might clean up well with time 
and work.

Now, Brian Gough who gave me the teletypesetter brought 
down a few other interesting items. Most interesting 
teletype-wise is a 3x3 placard, backpainted on plexiglass 
with:

"Teletype Service provided by

[1960's Bell Canada logo]

a member of

THE TRANS-CANADA 
TELEPHONE SYSTEM"
To the right of the latter test is a representation of a 
telephone handset.

This was designed for mouning on teletype gear. This was 
moounted on the top cover of a piece of as-yet unidentified 
teletype gear. I hve its cover only. Perhaps more 
interesting for Canadians, but hopefully for others, too. I 
have posted its photo to:

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rtty.html

Other non-teletype items are:
Iron on promotional patch of a candlestick telephone
Before you dig, call Bell Canada key chain,
Two matchbook folders containing not matches, but one a 
sewing repair kit, and the other stocking touch up sticks 
to woo the women!

These sport the logo of the New Brunswick Telephone Company 
Ltd., one saying Modern Homes Have Extension Phones (front) 
and Gives you Privacy - Costs so Little
Now available in Red, Green, Beige, Ivory. Order yours 
today (on the back)

and the other: Same Logo, but Call By Number (front) and A 
stitch in Time - You can save time and money by placing 
your Long Distance calls by NUMBER! (on the back)

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Sat May 15 16:56:31 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 16:56:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine (UPI) on Craigslist in the Baltimore
	area
Message-ID: <20164305.1273956991842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Greenkeyers:

There is a UPI Teletype machine on Craigslist.  Located in Towson.

     http://baltimore.craigslist.org/atq/1738709994.html

The ad shows a stock photo and there is no info on the machine's
condition or any other particulars.   $200.00 



From keelan at mail.grenander.com  Sat May 15 20:03:35 2010
From: keelan at mail.grenander.com (Keelan Lightfoot)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:03:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine (UPI) on Craigslist in the
	Baltimore area
In-Reply-To: <20164305.1273956991842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20164305.1273956991842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02858662-49CD-477F-8D05-2BB6A22C6765@mail.grenander.com>

That's a wanted ad...

- Keelan

On 2010-05-15, at 1:56 PM, gfmurphy at earthlink.net wrote:

> 
> Greenkeyers:
> 
> There is a UPI Teletype machine on Craigslist.  Located in Towson.
> 
>     http://baltimore.craigslist.org/atq/1738709994.html
> 
> The ad shows a stock photo and there is no info on the machine's
> condition or any other particulars.   $200.00 
> 
> 
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Sat May 15 23:27:01 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 00:27:01 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Springs
Message-ID: <4BEF3BD5.3295.41F8532@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

In going over the Fairchild Teletypesetter Standard 
Perforator which arrived today, it looks as though almost 
all of its springs are going to need to be replaced due to 
rust damage.

Does anyone know of any company who sells a really good 
assortment of small extension springs in sizes similar to 
those used in teletype equipment?

I have just been through a google search, and most kits are 
available with extension, compression, and torsion springs 
all in one kit. For this use, as all springs are extension, 
buying one of these would be wasteful.

Sure appreciate it if anyone knows of a suitable kit with 
useful teletype sized.

The Teletypesetter Standard Perforator unit was originally 
designed by Morkrum-Kleinschmidt just around the time they 
became Teletype Corp, then made for a while by 
Teletypesetter Corp and offshoot, and then sold to 
Fairchild.

It is in bad shape, but I think repairable if I can find a 
spring source.

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Sun May 16 03:41:04 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 02:41:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net><8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
	<05ed01caf36c$23432160$69c96420$@veenstras.com>
Message-ID: <041401caf4cc$a5a4b0e0$6401a8c0@inet>

Sorry, missed the original picture. Looks like a transmission line switchyard, not
antennas, military......location??

Ron
K0IDT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>
To: "'Don Robert House'" <k9tty at dls.net>; "'Lester Veenstra'" <m0ycm at veenstras.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures


NO JOY:  A very long way away







Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com





US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA



UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK



Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224

US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335

Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504



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From: Don Robert House [mailto:k9tty at dls.net]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:49 AM
To: Lester Veenstra
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Fwd: Midway radio pictures



LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST...



PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...



DON



Begin forwarded message:



From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>

Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT

To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures



Don Robert House wrote:

Can any of you help me with this location?

Don

K9TTY







http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432

did I win ?????????







From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>

Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT

To: "'Don Robert House'"

Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures

Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>



OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:







Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com





US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA



UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK



Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224

US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335

Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504



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From jhthrower at yahoo.com  Sun May 16 04:36:15 2010
From: jhthrower at yahoo.com (John Thrower)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 01:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Type 37e
Message-ID: <853731.50871.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi all,
?
I just acquired a 1941 T37e for restoration. To date I have restored a KSR28 and several ASR33s, but this is a whole new ballgame.
?
I am looking for ANY documentation on the 37 series regardless of the language. 
?
It would also be great if I could make contact with members who have experience with these machines. 
?
Thanks
?
John Thrower
?
Madrid Spain

From trnsrme at bellaliant.net  Sun May 16 13:53:02 2010
From: trnsrme at bellaliant.net (Ken L. Gartland)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:53:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype springs for Teletypesetter...
Message-ID: <000c01caf520$a2627300$566db18e@s1n3r3>

Hi all!

Dave, 

I have many hundreds of  'Un-assorted'  tty springs,
mostly for M14, 15, 19, 20 & 28 line...Best bet wud be for
me to send you a small box with all of them, and you cud simply pick thru & take the ones you need & return the balance at a later date...

Also, I have a couple of spring scales which I cud 'Loan'
you...This way, you cud get an approximate idea of
the tension of both the old & new springs you need to replace...

Let me know. 

My QTH is in Windsor, N.S., just across the water from you. Cud pby throw them to you on a gud day!

Cheers!

Ken VE3-HMQ (Portable VE1)

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun May 16 12:39:58 2010
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:39:58 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
Message-ID: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>

I have a teletype and a base, but don't have the screws to mount it. I took the screw out of one of my other teletypes and headed out to the local hardware stores but cannot find a replacement anywhere locally. I need four screws.

Does anyone have some of these that they could part with?

Thanks,

Paul
KD0DFR

From chrise at pobox.com  Sun May 16 13:08:24 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:08:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net>

It's pretty likely you will have to find them from one of our good friends
on this list who stock the parts or can nab them out of a junk unit.

I too searched for a few small mounting screws when I was working on the
punch in one of my '33...   and learned that they used almost exclusively
#6-40 thread on these little screws.   It seems the only thing you can
buy now is #6-32, a much more coarse thread and any hardware store with
the little parts drawers has never heard of a #6-40.

I also learned that these fine threads... at least #6-40, are sometimes
used in gunsmithing.  So there was a chance they could be found at a
gun shop.  Additional discovery there though, revealed that these guys
primarily use #5-40.  Geesh.  And I suspect the screws you need are
bigger and so might not appear in any firearm application anyway.

I'd sure like to hear of a commercial source for machine screws with this
fine thread if such a source still exists.  A bazillion of them in the
'33 seem to be 1/2" slotted hex cap head with the #6-40 thread.

It was also suggested to me that you could re-thread, for example, a
#6-32 to a #6-40 with an appropriate die.  I did find dies available
online but a good friend on this list was able to supply the part I
needed so I didn't have to go that far.

Good luck with your screw hunt.  I started to think I was on a snipe
hunt myself ;-)

Chris N0JCF

On Sunday (05/16/2010 at 10:39AM -0600), Paul Heller wrote:
> I have a teletype and a base, but don't have the screws to mount it. I took the screw out of one of my other teletypes and headed out to the local hardware stores but cannot find a replacement anywhere locally. I need four screws.
> 
> Does anyone have some of these that they could part with?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> KD0DFR
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun May 16 14:01:55 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:01:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
	<20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>

Seems like McMaster-Carr often gets mentioned when odd screws and other
odd stuff are needed.  Also if you live in a place of some size you
might look in the phone book for a bolt and screw supply place.
Some of these primarily deal in construction fasteners, like those
screws that drill their own holes and then tap them; but others
are more general industrial suppliers and have a lot of odd stuff.

Hardware stores vary a lot in what they carry.  The other day I got
some 2.5 millimeter screws at an Ace hardware (and had a very
helpful salesman) but not all Ace hardware stores, or any other,
carry such a range of sizes.

Teletype made a lot of its own screws, so they could make whatever
they wanted and they chose 6-40 and 8-36 and other sizes that are
standardized but not commonly used.  In the 32/33 line they tended
more to buying screws ready-made for automatic screwdrivers, and
thus used some of the more common sizes.

I would have thought that the ones that hold a 32/33 base to the
pedestal were common sizes, as they look bought rather than Teletype-
made.


From chrise at pobox.com  Sun May 16 14:11:53 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:11:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
	<20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>
Message-ID: <20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>

Hi Jim,

Yes... I performed an exhaustive online search including McMaster-Carr
and many, many other bolt and nut suppliers and the closest I came was
one outfit offering #6-40 allen head cap screws at 3/4" long, which I
would have had to cut to length.  They were only available in 100 pc
boxes at .19 / screw so I continued the search.

Here in Minneapolis, we have a pretty robust market for this kind of
stuff but every place I went or called had never heard of #6-40 and that
includes quite a number of machine shops, hobby shops, sewing machine
repair shops and gun shops.

So, I suspect this particular screw was one of those made by Teletype
themselves or #6-32 clearly won whatever war took place over threads
in the 1960's :-)

Chris N0JCF

On Sunday (05/16/2010 at 01:01PM -0500), Jim Haynes wrote:
> Seems like McMaster-Carr often gets mentioned when odd screws and other
> odd stuff are needed.  Also if you live in a place of some size you
> might look in the phone book for a bolt and screw supply place.
> Some of these primarily deal in construction fasteners, like those
> screws that drill their own holes and then tap them; but others
> are more general industrial suppliers and have a lot of odd stuff.
>
> Hardware stores vary a lot in what they carry.  The other day I got
> some 2.5 millimeter screws at an Ace hardware (and had a very
> helpful salesman) but not all Ace hardware stores, or any other,
> carry such a range of sizes.
>
> Teletype made a lot of its own screws, so they could make whatever
> they wanted and they chose 6-40 and 8-36 and other sizes that are
> standardized but not commonly used.  In the 32/33 line they tended
> more to buying screws ready-made for automatic screwdrivers, and
> thus used some of the more common sizes.
>
> I would have thought that the ones that hold a 32/33 base to the
> pedestal were common sizes, as they look bought rather than Teletype-
> made.
>

-- 
Chris Elmquist


From wa2hwj at att.net  Sun May 16 15:20:10 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:20:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>	<20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>
	<20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <002401caf52c$ce087f70$6a197e50$@net>

The screws that hold the 32/33 to the sheet metal base are
common 1/4 inch "sheet metal" types of screws. They scrrew
into a plastic captive bushing on the bottom of the TTY's
sheet metal base.



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Elmquist
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:12 PM
To: Jim Haynes
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws

Hi Jim,

Yes... I performed an exhaustive online search including McMaster-Carr
and many, many other bolt and nut suppliers and the closest I came was
one outfit offering #6-40 allen head cap screws at 3/4" long, which I
would have had to cut to length.  They were only available in 100 pc
boxes at .19 / screw so I continued the search.

Here in Minneapolis, we have a pretty robust market for this kind of
stuff but every place I went or called had never heard of #6-40 and
that
includes quite a number of machine shops, hobby shops, sewing machine
repair shops and gun shops.

So, I suspect this particular screw was one of those made by Teletype
themselves or #6-32 clearly won whatever war took place over threads
in the 1960's :-)

Chris N0JCF

On Sunday (05/16/2010 at 01:01PM -0500), Jim Haynes wrote:
> Seems like McMaster-Carr often gets mentioned when odd screws and
other
> odd stuff are needed.  Also if you live in a place of some size you
> might look in the phone book for a bolt and screw supply place.
> Some of these primarily deal in construction fasteners, like those
> screws that drill their own holes and then tap them; but others
> are more general industrial suppliers and have a lot of odd stuff.
>
> Hardware stores vary a lot in what they carry.  The other day I got
> some 2.5 millimeter screws at an Ace hardware (and had a very
> helpful salesman) but not all Ace hardware stores, or any other,
> carry such a range of sizes.
>
> Teletype made a lot of its own screws, so they could make whatever
> they wanted and they chose 6-40 and 8-36 and other sizes that are
> standardized but not commonly used.  In the 32/33 line they tended
> more to buying screws ready-made for automatic screwdrivers, and
> thus used some of the more common sizes.
>
> I would have thought that the ones that hold a 32/33 base to the
> pedestal were common sizes, as they look bought rather than
Teletype-
> made.
>

-- 
Chris Elmquist

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From paulpenn at knology.net  Sun May 16 15:16:48 2010
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:16:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net><20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net><alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>
	<20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <B486C9DACCEE4B1B854B8C9110B4D89C@T42PAUL>

I won't mention any names, but there's lots of bad information in this 
thread (no pun intended :-) that should not be allowed to stand.

The American National standard for machine screws has two thread pitches for 
each screw size:  coarse and fine.  The #6-40 IS a standard thread, it's 
just the fine thread instead of the more commonly used #6-32 coarse thread.

Also, it is NOT useful to re-thread a machine screw -- there would be gaps 
from the old thread where there needed to be metal.

Having said that, I don't have a source for the screws the original poster 
was looking for.  Maybe someone on the list knows.

Paul Pennington
Augusta, Georgia


From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Sun May 16 16:06:02 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:06:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
	<20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net>
Message-ID: <02be01caf533$39be7200$6401a8c0@inet>

Try here:
www.microfasteners.com
The 6-40's are not listed on-line but may be available. Give them a call and
ask.

Ron
K0IDT


From teletypeparts at aol.com  Sun May 16 16:41:19 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 16:41:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CCC34F45E63C92-220C-1089C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com>


Paul,

I have 4 of them and also the washers that I can part with.  They are slightly special (I hate to disagree with Jack, LOL) and the length is critical.  They go into plastic nuts that are held captive in the base of the pan, so be sure and start them carefully and dont overtiten.  

I should have your address, but help me out and I wonder why you didnt ask me direct, since you have  3 or 4 machines that I either worked on for you or sold you. 

I still dont have a QSO in Colorado, so if you're on the air, lets try for one sometime.

73's

Wayne
KB1FDW





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 12:39 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws


I have a teletype and a base, but don't have the screws to mount it. I took the 
crew out of one of my other teletypes and headed out to the local hardware 
tores but cannot find a replacement anywhere locally. I need four screws.
Does anyone have some of these that they could part with?
Thanks,
Paul
D0DFR
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 18:13:38 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:13:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <B486C9DACCEE4B1B854B8C9110B4D89C@T42PAUL>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net><20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net><alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>	<20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>
	<B486C9DACCEE4B1B854B8C9110B4D89C@T42PAUL>
Message-ID: <4BF06E12.50906@bellsouth.net>

Someone wrote:
> The American National standard for machine screws has two thread pitches for 
> each screw size:  coarse and fine.  
If we're going to pick nits -- some screw sizes have three standard 
pitches - the third being extra fine (NEF) --
> The #6-40 IS a standard thread, it's 
> just the fine thread instead of the more commonly used #6-32 coarse thread.
>   
#6 screw being one size that indeed includes a third "recognized" pitch 
- at 6-48.  However - it's not considered a "standard" either - and is 
grouped with the catch-all class of NS (National Special).  Of course 
these days the "Official" policy is to discourage use of these less 
common pitches - but then they also "discourage" the use of #12 screws 
of any pitch - which is of course of consequence to us - as #12 is 
fairly common in older (military surplus, etc.) gear. I've had a couple 
of six-footer relay racks - in which all of the threaded holes on the 
equipment mounting rails were #12-32 screws - a double whammy in 
standards terms - as being both the "discouraged" #12 AND a NS (National 
Special) thread...

Since a lot of us have old military gear - it's a good idea to keep such 
in mind. Something I found extremely useful in dealing with mountains of 
screws (at one point we had two "hell boxes" one weighed well over five 
pounds while the larger one was approaching 20 pounds - we recently 
sorted both - took several days worth of spare time) - is a screw 
checker.  Here's the one we have:

<http://www.threadtoolsupply.com/sae-inch-screw-checker.html>

Unlike the cheap plastic ones - this thing is thick - and the holes are 
threaded allowing each screw gauge and pitch to be quickly identified. 
Note that it covers the most common sizes plus several NS sizes of 
interest to us with older gear. Having through holes for checking marred 
drill bits is nice - as is having the tap size drill listed for each 
gauge/pitch combination.

Just my .02...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 18:35:34 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:35:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 6-40 screws...
Message-ID: <4BF07336.4030201@bellsouth.net>


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 18:47:10 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:47:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 6-40 screws...
In-Reply-To: <4BF07336.4030201@bellsouth.net>
References: <4BF07336.4030201@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4BF075EE.3040909@bellsouth.net>

Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:

Something that didn't apparently come through - which is just as well.  
I found a bunch of 6-40 various lengths on Amazon.com - which seem to 
run around $3 - $4 dollars a pack (anywhere from 25 to 100) - and looked 
in my McMaster catalog which also lists them... however - checking the 
McMaster's site - they don't carry any in that size save for some 
esoteric (and expensive) cap headed ones. So - if my erroneous posting 
does show up - ignore the McMaster part...

best regards...

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From WA5CAB at cs.com  Sun May 16 19:53:18 2010
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:53:18 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
Message-ID: <11ae2.79975333.3921df6e@cs.com>

In the Unified thread form system set up between the US and the British 
very early or just before WW-II (ast least our part of it), there were two 
common thread pitches established for US machine screws, cap screws and bolt 
diameters up to 1", plus a number of less common finer threads.  The two common 
US ones are known as Unified National Fine and Unified National Coarse.  
The full designators for the #6 machine screw threads are #6-40 UNF and #6-32 
UNC.  Teletype Corporation had nothing to do with it.  For some reason, 
their engineers seemed to prefer UNF, just as did the British automobile 
industry when they shifted briefly from BSF and BW to UN.  As time went on, the UNC 
pitches, being marginally cheaper to make, tended to dominate, #10-32 being 
an exception.  Plus UNC is the pitch used on stove bolts and carriage and 
plow bolts.  Otherwise, UNC was technically preferred for softer materials 
like aluminum and brass.

I also checked McMaster again this morning and found that they no longer 
seem to list anything for #6-40 or #8-40 but list both UNC and UNF for #10 
(this is a fairly recent change as they still carried both within the past two 
or three years).  They also list quite a few lengths in #5-40, which 
surprised me as #5 basically disappeared from the electronics industry after WW-II. 
 And wasn't very common during the War.  Maybe as someone mentioned 
earlier, the firearms industry continued to use it.

In a message dated 5/16/2010 1:12:06 PM Central Daylight Time, 
chrise at pobox.com writes: 
> Yes... I performed an exhaustive online search including McMaster-Carr
> and many, many other bolt and nut suppliers and the closest I came was
> one outfit offering #6-40 allen head cap screws at 3/4" long, which I
> would have had to cut to length.  They were only available in 100 pc
> boxes at .19 / screw so I continued the search.
> 
> Here in Minneapolis, we have a pretty robust market for this kind of
> stuff but every place I went or called had never heard of #6-40 and that
> includes quite a number of machine shops, hobby shops, sewing machine
> repair shops and gun shops.
> 
> So, I suspect this particular screw was one of those made by Teletype
> themselves or #6-32 clearly won whatever war took place over threads
> in the 1960's :-)
> 

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun May 16 20:04:43 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:04:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <4BF06E12.50906@bellsouth.net>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net><20100516170824.GG3765@n0jcf.net><alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161256010.2085@localhost>
	<20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>
	<B486C9DACCEE4B1B854B8C9110B4D89C@T42PAUL>
	<4BF06E12.50906@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005161902180.4096@localhost>

On Sun, 16 May 2010, Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:
> common pitches - but then they also "discourage" the use of #12 screws
> of any pitch - which is of course of consequence to us - as #12 is
> fairly common in older (military surplus, etc.) gear. I've had a couple
> of six-footer relay racks - in which all of the threaded holes on the
> equipment mounting rails were #12-32 screws - a double whammy in
> standards terms - as being both the "discouraged" #12 AND a NS (National
> Special) thread...
>
That's unfortunate.  12-24 is the standard screw thread for telephone
equipment relay racks.  I had no trouble getting a bunch of them from
the local bolt and screw company a few years ago, and also from a
manufacturer of the racks.  Was even able to get stainless steel from
a marine supply company (West Marine).



From nagle at animats.com  Sun May 16 20:36:59 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:36:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6407.1274048425.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.6407.1274048425.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BF08FAB.9070407@animats.com>


> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:08:24 -0500
> From: Chris Elmquist <chrise at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
> To: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> I too searched for a few small mounting screws when I was working on the
> punch in one of my '33...   and learned that they used almost exclusively
> #6-40 thread on these little screws.   It seems the only thing you can
> buy now is #6-32, a much more coarse thread and any hardware store with
> the little parts drawers has never heard of a #6-40.
...
> I'd sure like to hear of a commercial source for machine screws with this
> fine thread if such a source still exists.  A bazillion of them in the
> '33 seem to be 1/2" slotted hex cap head with the #6-40 thread.

I haven't found an exact match, but
Small Parts, Inc.
Stainless Steel Machine Screw, Pan Head, Phillips Drive, MIL-SPEC, #6-40
5/8"

should work.  They have several lengths, but not 1/2".

http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Machine-Phillips-MIL-SPEC-Length/dp/B000MS45IS

$11.44/pkg of 100.

You may have to cut the length down by 1/8 (not fun with stainless steel).

Teletype liked to use screws with high thread counts when going into threaded
holes in thin parts.  I had to thread my own bolts to mount a Model 15 Teletype
properly.  (Those are 3/8-32, and a die for that is $8.)

Someone mentioned that re-threading screws won't work.  Sure it will.
Just get ones long enough that only the last 1" is threaded. Cut off
the threaded part and you have a blank for a shorter screw.

If you need screws made in moderate quantities, Accurate Screw Machine does it
routinely.  Setup costs are high, though.

					John Nagle

From w7tty at olypen.com  Sun May 16 20:41:56 2010
From: w7tty at olypen.com (George B. Hutchison)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:41:56 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18
References: <mailman.6407.1274048425.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4BF08FAB.9070407@animats.com>
Message-ID: <C4156B030CFA47E1AC3EA55E05B2F8CA@LAPTOP>

Greetings All - - -

It is painful to junk out a machine, but when the mouse pee and other 
negatory things make it unfeasable to save, one should go through it and 
pull all of the screws possible and just throw them into a "Hell Box".

I have never known a TTY repairman to NOT have that magic assortment in the 
bottom tray of his leather bag, or a wooden cigar box, or any other likely 
container, full of those precious goodies that many of you now lament the 
absence thereof.

If you don't have one, start one. If you know someone who has a big one, ask 
him to share a portion of the wealth, if he is willing. Most TTY types are 
happy to help out newbies.

W7TTY



From chrise at pobox.com  Sun May 16 21:28:43 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:28:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <B486C9DACCEE4B1B854B8C9110B4D89C@T42PAUL>
References: <20100516181153.GI3765@n0jcf.net>
	<B486C9DACCEE4B1B854B8C9110B4D89C@T42PAUL>
Message-ID: <20100517012843.GM3765@n0jcf.net>

Paul,

I sure didn't mean to mislead anyone nor claim that any of my observations
were definitive.

My adventure in trying to find the #6-40 screws, no matter how standard
they once were seemed to reveal that they are no longer as available or
"standard" as #6-32, which you can find at any corner hardware store.

Others have found some sources for #6-40 stainless screws of various
lengths... none of which are the exact match for the #6-40 slotted cap
head screws used everywhere in the machine but they would likely be
suitable replacements in most cases.

I also apologize for hijacking the original thread...  I really only
wanted to comment on what seems to be the rarity of any of these screws
in the model 33's so the suggestion of keeping a "hell box" is really,
really good.

Chris N0JCF

On Sunday (05/16/2010 at 03:16PM -0400), Paul A. Pennington wrote:
> I won't mention any names, but there's lots of bad information in this 
> thread (no pun intended :-) that should not be allowed to stand.
> 
> The American National standard for machine screws has two thread pitches for 
> each screw size:  coarse and fine.  The #6-40 IS a standard thread, it's 
> just the fine thread instead of the more commonly used #6-32 coarse thread.
> 
> Also, it is NOT useful to re-thread a machine screw -- there would be gaps 
> from the old thread where there needed to be metal.
> 
> Having said that, I don't have a source for the screws the original poster 
> was looking for.  Maybe someone on the list knows.
> 
> Paul Pennington
> Augusta, Georgia
> 
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun May 16 21:50:02 2010
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:50:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5E963B35-05A6-45C6-9158-420860A90735@comcast.net>

Someone on the list has kindly helped me find the screws I need. Thank you to all who responded. You folks are the best.

Paul

On May 16, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Paul Heller wrote:

> I have a teletype and a base, but don't have the screws to mount it. I took the screw out of one of my other teletypes and headed out to the local hardware stores but cannot find a replacement anywhere locally. I need four screws.
> 
> Does anyone have some of these that they could part with?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> KD0DFR
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 23:23:26 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <C4156B030CFA47E1AC3EA55E05B2F8CA@LAPTOP>
References: <mailman.6407.1274048425.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4BF08FAB.9070407@animats.com>
	<C4156B030CFA47E1AC3EA55E05B2F8CA@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <784490.35932.qm@web180007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have a parts model 15.? If this has the screws let me know which ones.? Sorry I haven't been following this thread closely and didn't save the original emails.

Gerry AD6MC




________________________________
From: George B. Hutchison <w7tty at olypen.com>
To: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 5:41:56 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18

Greetings All - - -

It is painful to junk out a machine, but when the mouse pee and other 
negatory things make it unfeasable to save, one should go through it and 
pull all of the screws possible and just throw them into a "Hell Box".

I have never known a TTY repairman to NOT have that magic assortment in the 
bottom tray of his leather bag, or a wooden cigar box, or any other likely 
container, full of those precious goodies that many of you now lament the 
absence thereof.

If you don't have one, start one. If you know someone who has a big one, ask 
him to share a portion of the wealth, if he is willing. Most TTY types are 
happy to help out newbies.

W7TTY


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From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Sun May 16 23:33:15 2010
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (gfmurphy at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] UPI Teletype on Craigslist in the Baltimore area - More
	info
Message-ID: <10984614.1274067195410.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Greenkeyers:  

Here's some more information on the UPI Teletype machine for sale in
the Baltimore area.

The seller advised me that the machine is in fairly good condition and
it comes with the table.  The machine came from a radio station and was
taken home in 1979 when UPI switched to the computerized machines.  It
was working right up until it was replaced.

Here is the link to the ad on Craigslist:

      http://baltimore.craigslist.org/atq/1738709994.html




From k9tty at dls.net  Mon May 17 00:28:41 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:28:41 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Type T37e
In-Reply-To: <853731.50871.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <853731.50871.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E9639813-00EA-4E5A-872E-63FCDEAA1DB5@dls.net>

The only machines I know of that have a model number that starts with  
"T" is Siemens.
Someone on the list in Europe may have information for you.

73,
Don
K9TTY


On 16 May 2010, at 3:36 AM, John Thrower wrote:


Hi all,

I just acquired a 1941 T37e for restoration. To date I have restored a  
KSR28 and several ASR33s, but this is a whole new ballgame.

I am looking for ANY documentation on the 37 series regardless of the  
language.

It would also be great if I could make contact with members who have  
experience with these machines.

Thanks

John Thrower

Madrid Spain
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From dmm at lemur.com  Mon May 17 00:37:53 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:37:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] (OT) printing press and QSL cards
Message-ID: <201005170433.CWQ38356@rg6.cniteam.com>


This isn't really TTY-related (but rather amateur radio), nor is it
even Teletypesetter/Linotype-related (but rather amateur tabletop
printing; worlds away from a Linotype), but I thought some here might
find it interesting.  It is what appears to be either an advertisement
for the Adana brand of tabletop printing press as a part of a
fictitious QSL card or, perhaps, a real QSL card which for reasons
undetermined also includes an Adana press ad.  It was acquired by a
member of the LETPRESS letterpress printing mailing list, who posted
an image of it at:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Adanaman/AdanaQSLCard.jpg

Another member of LETPRESS identified the years of issue of the
call sign as 1937/1938.  This would fit within the dates of
manufacture for the press.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From k9tty at dls.net  Mon May 17 00:54:03 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:54:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hell Box... and other stuff...
In-Reply-To: <C4156B030CFA47E1AC3EA55E05B2F8CA@LAPTOP>
References: <mailman.6407.1274048425.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4BF08FAB.9070407@animats.com>
	<C4156B030CFA47E1AC3EA55E05B2F8CA@LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <B7B58F76-3E44-48F2-9A81-C205641AA457@dls.net>

George is correct... only difference is we called them a "20 Year Box"
The local hardware store here carries both 6-32 and 6-40 taps and dies.
But they do not carry the machine screws.

I have thousands of Teletype parts here in boxes waiting to fill your
needs,  the only problem is that they are not sorted.  I have to fish
through the stuff to find anything.  Teletype part numbers will not help
I need a good description.

Perhaps the screw that Jack was mentioning is the single shipping screw
that is in the center of the pan that threads into the base casting of  
the
typing unit.  It should only be used for shipping.

Don
K9TTY

On 16 May 2010, at 7:41 PM, George B. Hutchison wrote:

Greetings All - - -

It is painful to junk out a machine, but when the mouse pee and other
negatory things make it unfeasable to save, one should go through it and
pull all of the screws possible and just throw them into a "Hell Box".

I have never known a TTY repairman to NOT have that magic assortment  
in the
bottom tray of his leather bag, or a wooden cigar box, or any other  
likely
container, full of those precious goodies that many of you now lament  
the
absence thereof.

If you don't have one, start one. If you know someone who has a big  
one, ask
him to share a portion of the wealth, if he is willing. Most TTY types  
are
happy to help out newbies.

W7TTY


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From k9tty at dls.net  Mon May 17 01:39:45 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 00:39:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] On the E - Gould Signal Data Converter CV-3510/UG
In-Reply-To: <445111d741d1e7d22f37b1aea10486da.squirrel@petelancashire.com>
References: <445111d741d1e7d22f37b1aea10486da.squirrel@petelancashire.com>
Message-ID: <34938B1E-E886-4026-8AB0-A6465003A01D@dls.net>

Sure looks like a test set to me.

Don

On 14 May 2010, at 1:37 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

hast that magic word 'current loop'

Epay item number 220603733635

no assoc with the seller other then a very happy customer

-pete
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From k9tty at dls.net  Mon May 17 02:05:36 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:05:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  Type T37e
References: <105.4429a454.39222272@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FE21608F-74F5-4F29-BFA7-0B6D366E56EA@dls.net>

Thanks to Dave for this information...

Don:

Most Russian (Soviet) teletypes also start with a "T", such as their
T-36, T-64, etc, printers (licensed Russian copies of US Model 15s and  
19s),

Dave


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon May 17 07:30:09 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 06:30:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hell Box... and other stuff...
In-Reply-To: <B7B58F76-3E44-48F2-9A81-C205641AA457@dls.net>
References: <mailman.6407.1274048425.9697.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>	<4BF08FAB.9070407@animats.com>	<C4156B030CFA47E1AC3EA55E05B2F8CA@LAPTOP>
	<B7B58F76-3E44-48F2-9A81-C205641AA457@dls.net>
Message-ID: <4BF128C1.6040307@bellsouth.net>

Don Robert House wrote:
> George is correct... only difference is we called them a "20 Year Box"
> The local hardware store here carries both 6-32 and 6-40 taps and dies.
> But they do not carry the machine screws.
>   
I finally found the "source" of the term "hell box". Back 
when I first
got involved with electronics (late 50s early 60s) the older 
guys would
refer to the catch-all box as "hell box".  Every-so-often 
I'd ask where
the name had come from - no one seemed to know... they noted 
that's what
the guys called them when they were coming up - so it's a 
name that's
been around for a very long time.   Recently - when researching
something I ran across the term in a most unexpected place - 
talking
about early type setting.  Seems when a printer would 
complete a press
run on an old press that used "movable type" he'd break down 
the type
block and dump the individual letters into a box - "hell 
box" which
would then be sorted back into a type drawer, etc. by one of 
his
apprentices, called a printer's devil. As individual 
(reusable) type was
replaced by cast type (Linotype, etc.) - the "hell box" 
became the
receptacle for broken and unused sections from the 
hot-casting process...

Apparently - as radio repair guys worked on radios - any 
left-over
and/or replaced parts were tossed into a convenient box with 
the
intention of later sorting and putting away the good from 
the trash.
Since the similar box in the printing world already had the 
name "hell
box" - it seems the name was applied to the Radio man's junk 
box as well.

And now you know too...

-- 
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com



From HeinzHBlumberg at t-online.de  Mon May 17 10:34:59 2010
From: HeinzHBlumberg at t-online.de (Heinz H. Blumberg)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:34:59 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Type T37e
References: <853731.50871.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<E9639813-00EA-4E5A-872E-63FCDEAA1DB5@dls.net>
Message-ID: <9098239180144C0A801464CFE2AB8357@LIMA>

Hello John
please contact Henning DF3OE   www.teleprinter.net  or me   www.hohemey.de.

We have a few "T"  Teletype from Siemens and also Doc's (in german).
We can scan this.

Heinz
DC4GL


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>
To: "John Thrower" <jhthrower at yahoo.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Type T37e


> The only machines I know of that have a model number that starts with  
> "T" is Siemens.
> Someone on the list in Europe may have information for you.
> 
> 73,
> Don
> K9TTY
> 
> 
> On 16 May 2010, at 3:36 AM, John Thrower wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just acquired a 1941 T37e for restoration. To date I have restored a  
> KSR28 and several ASR33s, but this is a whole new ballgame.
> 
> I am looking for ANY documentation on the 37 series regardless of the  
> language.
> 
> It would also be great if I could make contact with members who have  
> experience with these machines.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John Thrower
> 
> Madrid Spain
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From jhthrower at yahoo.com  Mon May 17 12:11:18 2010
From: jhthrower at yahoo.com (John Thrower)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Type T37e
In-Reply-To: <9098239180144C0A801464CFE2AB8357@LIMA>
Message-ID: <267298.4206.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Heinz,
?
I am in contact with Henning concerning one of his T100Z. 
?
I didn't ask about the German manual for the 37e, but I will. 
?
However, if you have a downloadable copy that would be helpful and I would appreciate it.
?
AND thanks to Robert for putting us in contact.
?
John

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Heinz H. Blumberg <HeinzHBlumberg at t-online.de> wrote:


From: Heinz H. Blumberg <HeinzHBlumberg at t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Type T37e
To: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>, "John Thrower" <jhthrower at yahoo.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:34 PM


Hello John
please contact Henning DF3OE???www.teleprinter.net? or me???www.hohemey.de.

We have a few "T"? Teletype from Siemens and also Doc's (in german).
We can scan this.

Heinz
DC4GL


----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>
To: "John Thrower" <jhthrower at yahoo.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Type T37e


> The only machines I know of that have a model number that starts with? "T" is Siemens.
> Someone on the list in Europe may have information for you.
> 
> 73,
> Don
> K9TTY
> 
> 
> On 16 May 2010, at 3:36 AM, John Thrower wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just acquired a 1941 T37e for restoration. To date I have restored a? KSR28 and several ASR33s, but this is a whole new ballgame.
> 
> I am looking for ANY documentation on the 37 series regardless of the? language.
> 
> It would also be great if I could make contact with members who have? experience with these machines.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John Thrower
> 
> Madrid Spain
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon May 17 12:21:09 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:21:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  ASR-33 mounting screws
In-Reply-To: <8CCC3F0F6490897-300-A18F@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
	<8CCC34F45E63C92-220C-1089C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com>
	<D7A33C3C-8778-4BAA-934B-BF17918C3AEA@comcast.net>
	<8CCC3F0F6490897-300-A18F@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CCC3F417FA3FB7-300-A480@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>







-----Original Message-----
From: teletypeparts at aol.com
To: paul0926 at comcast.net
Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 11:58 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws


Paul,
 
I was just pulling your chain a little about the screws.  I will ship them out today or tomorrow USPS Priority.  I have enough of your $, so not to worry about that.  I have a nice photo collection of your machines in a folder if anyone wants to see em with your permission.  
 
I believe I would run coax in the house so you wouldnt get RF into all other electronics.  Ladder line radiates, I believe.  I dont have any myself.  
 
It would be nice to have a visit sometime.  I hope to get to Denver to visit with relatives one of these days and would ring you up while there and ahead of time of course.  
 
If you really want some maple syrup, let me know off-list and I will get you some.  
 
73's,
 
Wayne
 
KB1FDW






-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: Teletypeparts at aol.com
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws


Hi Wayne!! 


It is great to hear from you. These screws are for the IBM 5028, now that I have a stand for it (the stand that I got form Larry sat at my mother's house all this time and now is finally with me in Colorado). So yes, it is for one of the machines I got from you :-)


Well, I don't have a QSO in Vermont either. I am making a new antenna in the attic space above my garage right now and am a bit hung up on what cable to run to it (somebody suggested I try open wire since it is all internal in my house, but I am not sure what "open wire" is. I plan to reach out to some local hams to get this set up. In the meanwhile, I am off the air :-(


Why didn't I ask you directly? I don't know. I guess have no excuse for that!


How are you? Are you still in your house? Last time we talked, you were thinking of moving.  Gee, it has been a while - maybe next time I am on the east coast I can stop by to say hello. (And maybe pick up some maple syrup!).


Here's my address:


Paul Heller
8248 Newland Court
Arvada, CO 80003


Thanks, Wayne.


73


Paul








On May 16, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Teletypeparts at aol.com wrote:


Paul,
 
I have 4 of them and also the washers that I can part with.  They are slightly special (I hate to disagree with Jack, LOL) and the length is critical.  They go into plastic nuts that are held captive in the base of the pan, so be sure and start them carefully and dont overtiten.  
 
I should have your address, but help me out and I wonder why you didnt ask me direct, since you have  3 or 4 machines that I either worked on for you or sold you. 
 
I still dont have a QSO in Colorado, so if you're on the air, lets try for one sometime.
 
73's
 
Wayne
KB1FDW





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 12:39 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws


I have a teletype and a base, but don't have the screws to mount it. I took the 
crew out of one of my other teletypes and headed out to the local hardware 
tores but cannot find a replacement anywhere locally. I need four screws.
Does anyone have some of these that they could part with?
Thanks,
Paul
D0DFR
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon May 17 12:53:37 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:53:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] screws
Message-ID: <8CCC3F8A100E7B7-300-A9EF@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>





Teletype lists the mounting screws as 192289 Screw, 1/4-14 Self Tapping.  You can use a sheet metal screw from the hardware store, but the pitch is not the same and once you use it, you cant go back to the Teletype screw.  The length should not be too long or it can protrude into the printer or call unit as I recall.  I have stripped a couple of the plastic nuts and its a lot of work to get to the base to replace one, so its best to use the Teletype screw if possible.  I would think that steveripper at comcast.net or Paul in San Francisco (I have lost his last name and email) might have these screws.  He was featured on Greenkeys and his web site was available.  Lots of parts for Teletype and expecially 28's.  

Can someone help with his name and email for my records please?

Thanks,

Wayne
KB1FDW


From larryradio at att.net  Mon May 17 12:56:20 2010
From: larryradio at att.net (Larry Tighe)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:56:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] screws
References: <8CCC3F8A100E7B7-300-A9EF@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3B4A3910825C459BADDE7C6389D877B1@ljt>

Paul in CA is... arubmec at pacbell.net

Lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <teletypeparts at aol.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 12:53 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] screws


>
>
>
>
> Teletype lists the mounting screws as 192289 Screw, 1/4-14 Self Tapping. 
> You can use a sheet metal screw from the hardware store, but the pitch is 
> not the same and once you use it, you cant go back to the Teletype screw. 
> The length should not be too long or it can protrude into the printer or 
> call unit as I recall.  I have stripped a couple of the plastic nuts and 
> its a lot of work to get to the base to replace one, so its best to use 
> the Teletype screw if possible.  I would think that 
> steveripper at comcast.net or Paul in San Francisco (I have lost his last 
> name and email) might have these screws.  He was featured on Greenkeys and 
> his web site was available.  Lots of parts for Teletype and expecially 
> 28's.
>
> Can someone help with his name and email for my records please?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
>
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Mon May 17 13:00:50 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:00:50 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype springs for Teletypesetter...
Message-ID: <4BF14C12.12961.19312B4@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Ken:

I have sent you a couple of emails off-list from my home
address...

Dave

On 16 May 2010 at 10:53, Ken L. Gartland wrote:

> I have many hundreds of  'Un-assorted'  tty springs,


The Telephone on Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/phones.html

The Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island:
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/museum.html
Free Admission - Call (902) 651-2762 to arrange a visit!



From teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon May 17 13:01:21 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:01:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] screws
In-Reply-To: <3B4A3910825C459BADDE7C6389D877B1@ljt>
References: <8CCC3F8A100E7B7-300-A9EF@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
	<3B4A3910825C459BADDE7C6389D877B1@ljt>
Message-ID: <8CCC3F9B5F59039-156C-16CC@webmail-d060.sysops.aol.com>


Thanks, Lar.

Wayne






-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Tighe <larryradio at att.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net; teletypeparts at aol.com
Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] screws


Paul in CA is... arubmec at pacbell.net
Lar
---- Original Message ----- 
rom: <teletypeparts at aol.com>
o: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
ent: Monday, May 17, 2010 12:53 PM
ubject: [GreenKeys] screws





 Teletype lists the mounting screws as 192289 Screw, 1/4-14 Self Tapping. 
 You can use a sheet metal screw from the hardware store, but the pitch is 
 not the same and once you use it, you cant go back to the Teletype screw. 
 The length should not be too long or it can protrude into the printer or 
 call unit as I recall.  I have stripped a couple of the plastic nuts and 
 its a lot of work to get to the base to replace one, so its best to use 
 the Teletype screw if possible.  I would think that 
 steveripper at comcast.net or Paul in San Francisco (I have lost his last 
 name and email) might have these screws.  He was featured on Greenkeys and 
 his web site was available.  Lots of parts for Teletype and expecially 
 28's.

 Can someone help with his name and email for my records please?

 Thanks,

 Wayne
 KB1FDW

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From trnsrme at bellaliant.net  Mon May 17 19:19:26 2010
From: trnsrme at bellaliant.net (Ken L. Gartland)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:19:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype springs...Update.
Message-ID: <004e01caf617$65b630c0$3467b18e@s1n3r3>

Dave,

I will be mailing out yr package of  tty springs tomorrow...

Look for padded bubble envelope...You shld have them in a few days...Have fun sorting thru them!

Cheers.

' 73

Ken VE3-HMQ (VE1)

From rjcote at hawaii.rr.com  Mon May 17 21:06:57 2010
From: rjcote at hawaii.rr.com (Raymond Cote)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:06:57 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A43EF3B0551B4B47AD97C1CF6C01CDFA@RAY>

If worse comes to worse you really don't need to use the slotted hex hed in 
that application.  See the dcatalog at this link. This is where we get ALL 
of our small parts.   Thus the name of the company.  SMALL PARTS INC
http://www.smallparts.com/s/ref=sp_search?searchNodeID=16310161&keywords=4-40+machine+screws&x=0&y=0&Action=submit

Ray in Hawaii
Retired Univ of Hawaii

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Heller" <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:39 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws


>I have a teletype and a base, but don't have the screws to mount it. I took 
>the screw out of one of my other teletypes and headed out to the local 
>hardware stores but cannot find a replacement anywhere locally. I need four 
>screws.
>
> Does anyone have some of these that they could part with?
>
> 

From dmm at lemur.com  Mon May 17 22:43:34 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:43:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys]  (OT) printing press and QSL cards
Message-ID: <201005180238.AAE47736@rg7.cniteam.com>


It's a bit silly following up on my own posting when it was OT
and probably not of interest, but these things do get archived,
and I wouldn't want to spread misinformation.

Previously, I wrote (with regard to the Adana press QSL card):

>Another member of LETPRESS identified the years of issue of the
>call sign as 1937/1938.  This would fit within the dates of
>manufacture for the press.

A later posting on LETPRESS indicates that the press illustrated
probably postdates 1947.  

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From paulpenn at knology.net  Mon May 17 22:43:14 2010
From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul A. Pennington)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:43:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 mounting screws
References: <C8DB49C9-FCF2-4ED3-BD90-E914E74FF2CD@comcast.net>
	<A43EF3B0551B4B47AD97C1CF6C01CDFA@RAY>
Message-ID: <D01BE66666D04F5D81016DAB9277D3D3@T42PAUL>

Ray;

Thanks for posting the link to Small Parts, Inc.  I had no idea there was a 
place with that deep an inventory.  They had the #6-40 hex capscrews someone 
was seeking at 3 or 4 dollars for a box of 100, in a variety of lengths. 
Great find.

Paul Pennington
Augusta, Georgia 


From dmm at lemur.com  Mon May 17 22:59:33 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:59:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hell Box... and other stuff...
Message-ID: <201005180254.AAE48102@rg7.cniteam.com>


Randy Guttery wrote:

>Seems when a printer would complete a press run on an old press that 
>used "movable type" he'd break down the type block and dump the individual 
>letters into a box - "hell box" which would then be sorted back into 
>a type drawer, etc. by one of his apprentices, called a printer's devil. 
>As individual (reusable) type was replaced by cast type (Linotype, etc.) - 
>the "hell box" became the receptacle for broken and unused sections from the 
>hot-casting process...

Though I've done very little hand-setting of type, my understanding
is that when a "form" of type is to be "redistributed" back into
the "cases" (or "job cases") from which it was taken, the lines of
type are distributed directly.  This way the typesetter (or the
printer's devil on his way up) can read back the line and know
which character goes where in the case based on the words, rather than 
by identifying a character picked at random from a box.  The brain
works faster this way.

The "hell box" is where things go when distribution isn't possible
(for example, when breaking up a form set a long time ago for which
the shop no longer has the type, or when the type has been modified
with a saw/miterer/mortiser, or when the type is broken or damaged).

Here's a photograph of an actual hell box from a small Wisconsin 
newspaper:

http://www.lemur.com/temp/hellbox.jpg

Regards,
David M.
===
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   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From mike at soemtron.org  Tue May 18 03:52:30 2010
From: mike at soemtron.org (Mike Hatch)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:52:30 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  screws
References: <8CCC3F8A100E7B7-300-A9EF@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>
	<3B4A3910825C459BADDE7C6389D877B1@ljt>
Message-ID: <005f01caf65f$1181dd90$961ca8c0@mss.local>

The email I have for Paul is  - mr_rtty at pacbell.net - that's a live one, he 
sent me KSR35 parts last week, the website I have is - 
http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm - phone is  - 510-222-3102. 
It has all appeared in differing posts on Greenkeys recently, Paul is 
extremely helpful.

Mike.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>; <teletypeparts at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] screws


> Paul in CA is... arubmec at pacbell.net
>
> Lar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <teletypeparts at aol.com>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 12:53 PM
> Subject: [GreenKeys] screws
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Teletype lists the mounting screws as 192289 Screw, 1/4-14 Self Tapping.
>> You can use a sheet metal screw from the hardware store, but the pitch is
>> not the same and once you use it, you cant go back to the Teletype screw.
>> The length should not be too long or it can protrude into the printer or
>> call unit as I recall.  I have stripped a couple of the plastic nuts and
>> its a lot of work to get to the base to replace one, so its best to use
>> the Teletype screw if possible.  I would think that
>> steveripper at comcast.net or Paul in San Francisco (I have lost his last
>> name and email) might have these screws.  He was featured on Greenkeys 
>> and
>> his web site was available.  Lots of parts for Teletype and expecially
>> 28's.
>>
>> Can someone help with his name and email for my records please?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Wayne
>> KB1FDW
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Tue May 18 07:16:43 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:16:43 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust, and similar products
Message-ID: <4BF24CEB.5103.C15E42@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

Has anyone any experience using Evapo-Rust from Rust Stop, 
or similar produsts from other maufacturers?

The following from their site describes the process:

"EVAPO-RUST works through selective chelation. This is a 
process in which a large synthetic molecule forms a bond 
with metals and holds them in solution. Most chelating 
agents bind many different metals. The active ingredient in 
EVAPO-RUST bonds to iron exclusively. It can remove iron 
from iron oxide but is too weak to remove iron from steel 
where the iron is held much more strongly. Once the 
chelating agent has removed the iron, a sulfur bearing 
organic molecule pulls the iron away from the chelator and 
forms a ferric sulfate complex which remains water soluble. 
This frees the chelating agent to remove more iron from 
rust."

http://www.evaporust.ca/

Another similar product is Ultra-One: 
http://safestrustremover.com/

This also works in a similar fashion.

My reason for enquiring, is that my latest project is 
restoring a Fairchild Teletypesetter Standard Perforator. 
Most of the machine will be a relatively easy restoration. 
BUT - the actual punch unit is severely rusted, and I would 
like to save as much of it as possible, as my chances of 
finding another 6 level 7/8 inch paper tape punch to fit it 
are small to impossible.

If this stuff does work, it might be the saviour for this 
project, and probably many others. To use it, you soak the 
item in it for two hours, rinse it off, then re-soak for 
more time. Instructions on the Evapo-Rust site above. 

I would be interested in hearing if anyone has any 
experience with this or a similar product. If it works, I 
will get some, and give it a try and report back to the 
list.

Dave


Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From teletypeparts at aol.com  Tue May 18 09:02:52 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:02:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  screws
In-Reply-To: <005f01caf65f$1181dd90$961ca8c0@mss.local>
References: <8CCC3F8A100E7B7-300-A9EF@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com><3B4A3910825C459BADDE7C6389D877B1@ljt>
	<005f01caf65f$1181dd90$961ca8c0@mss.local>
Message-ID: <8CCC4A18F32FE4B-1B8-9379@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>


Mike,

Thanks to you all who gave me Paul Cemburas email etc.  I did have it here, just missplaced it.  Senior moments happen often around here.  LOL.

Wayne






-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hatch <mike at soemtron.org>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 3:52 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re: screws


The email I have for Paul is  - mr_rtty at pacbell.net - that's a live one, he 
ent me KSR35 parts last week, the website I have is - 
ttp://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm - phone is  - 510-222-3102. 
t has all appeared in differing posts on Greenkeys recently, Paul is 
xtremely helpful.
Mike.
----- Original Message ----- 
rom: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
o: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>; <teletypeparts at aol.com>
ent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:56 PM
ubject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] screws

 Paul in CA is... arubmec at pacbell.net

 Lar
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: <teletypeparts at aol.com>
 To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 12:53 PM
 Subject: [GreenKeys] screws


>
>
>
>
> Teletype lists the mounting screws as 192289 Screw, 1/4-14 Self Tapping.
> You can use a sheet metal screw from the hardware store, but the pitch is
> not the same and once you use it, you cant go back to the Teletype screw.
> The length should not be too long or it can protrude into the printer or
> call unit as I recall.  I have stripped a couple of the plastic nuts and
> its a lot of work to get to the base to replace one, so its best to use
> the Teletype screw if possible.  I would think that
> steveripper at comcast.net or Paul in San Francisco (I have lost his last
> name and email) might have these screws.  He was featured on Greenkeys 
> and
> his web site was available.  Lots of parts for Teletype and expecially
> 28's.
>
> Can someone help with his name and email for my records please?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
>
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From mail at studio8h.com  Tue May 18 12:30:17 2010
From: mail at studio8h.com (mail at studio8h.com)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:30:17 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY cleaning and polishing
Message-ID: <A9D0CC27-7593-47D7-8A53-F30FB63379BE@studio8h.com>

I've noticed a number of questions recently about cleaning and polishing plastic, notably on Model 33s.
I've used commercial telephone cleaning and polishing fluids for years and they do a great job.
They can be found at http://www.sandman.com/cleankit.html
(if the link doesn't come thru, sandman dot com slash cleankit dot html)

As always its good to test on an unobtrusive area first,  to get an idea of how it works. 
It's made a couple of 33s look like new for me.

Dan Beach 
KD4WLI


From k9tty at dls.net  Tue May 18 13:13:37 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:13:37 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY cleaning and polishing
In-Reply-To: <A9D0CC27-7593-47D7-8A53-F30FB63379BE@studio8h.com>
References: <A9D0CC27-7593-47D7-8A53-F30FB63379BE@studio8h.com>
Message-ID: <47A61F65-9D07-4936-84D1-C1BBEE9BEB8B@dls.net>

Thanks Dan,

Mike Sandman also has hundreds of handy telephony items.  He has  
helped me and others in the past.

Don
K9TTY


On 18 May 2010, at 11:30 AM, mail at studio8h.com wrote:

I've noticed a number of questions recently about cleaning and  
polishing plastic, notably on Model 33s.
I've used commercial telephone cleaning and polishing fluids for years  
and they do a great job.
They can be found at http://www.sandman.com/cleankit.html
(if the link doesn't come thru, sandman dot com slash cleankit dot html)

As always its good to test on an unobtrusive area first,  to get an  
idea of how it works.
It's made a couple of 33s look like new for me.

Dan Beach
KD4WLI

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From kr4wm at earthlink.net  Tue May 18 13:33:21 2010
From: kr4wm at earthlink.net (Web Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:33:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust
In-Reply-To: <mailman.115.1274198468.10234.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.115.1274198468.10234.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BF2CF61.1030908@earthlink.net>

We used to use a product called Ospho at my dad's motel
on two sets of cast iron staircases that were exposed to salt
air (next to the ocean). I have fond memories of lugging 50
gallon trash containers up and down those steps! (No elevator,
four floors...) The name was "Ospho". They still are in business-
I had forgotten about them. http://www.ospho.com/

You can squirt the stuff on with a spray bottle, let it dry, and paint.
The process does NOT remove any rust, it merely converts the
rust into something that you can paint, and the rust itself will not
"grow" any further (as long as your coat of paint seals off the rust
from moisture ingress).

This is probably not what you're looking for, as I imagine cosmetics
will be as important as anything else.

Our process was to beat the rust down to bare metal as best we could
with hammers or hatchets until no more would come off, then spray the
metal with Ospho to convert as much of the remaining rust into a paintable
surface, then paint with a coat of red-lead based primer (you can still 
get it,
regardless of what you might think, it's just tightly controlled), 
followed by
two coats of Alkyd enamel based paint. The stairs are still in use 
today, 40
years after being put into service! (Most iron stairs that are not 
treated in
this manner last about five years in our salt-air environment.) They
did get a major overhaul at about 25 years (nuts/bolts/railing replaced).

I suspect naval jelly is probably going to be more along the lines of
what you need to use. It's a lot less destructive than hammers and 
hatchets,
but will take a LONG time to get you down to bare metal. You would
think that in this day and age, some chemist would come up with some
rust-dissolving spray-on chemical that would completely remove all traces
of rust down to bare metal in a few minutes without harming the metal
substrate!

Best of luck, -Web (AJ4VM)

From sschlink at mindspring.com  Tue May 18 13:48:45 2010
From: sschlink at mindspring.com (Steve Schlink)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:48:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust rust removal
In-Reply-To: <4BF2CF61.1030908@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.115.1274198468.10234.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<mailman.115.1274198468.10234.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20100518134336.025c1b18@pop.mindspring.com>

For a non-acidic method of rust removal, I have settled on the electrolytic 
process. It requires nothing more than a DC source. You can't ruin parts by 
leaving them in too long like acids, nor remove, embrittle or deform the 
metal like bead blasting.

I has the advantage of also removing accumulated grease, paint, and other 
gunk that will inhibit most other chemical methods.

Just google "electrolytic rust removal".

Steve 


From dhunter at islandregister.com  Tue May 18 16:23:05 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:23:05 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust, and similar products
In-Reply-To: <4BF24CEB.5103.C15E42@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4BF24CEB.5103.C15E42@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4BF2CCF9.14585.2B597A1@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

I have decided to give Evapo-Rust a try, for several 
reasons...

It does not effect the metal, only the rust if it works as 
advertised. Acid and lye based removers do etch away some 
solid metal.

Secondly, and certainly a major reason, it is available 
locally.

Third, it is safe, and not considered a hazardous chemical -
 they say safe enough to wash your hands in.

It will not effect other metals according to documentation 
on the Rest-Check site, and as there is some of the 
assembly which is white metal, this is a consideration.

Before starting the process, I cleaned oil and grease off 
it and took several close-up photos of it, and I will 
report back too the list on how it works. If it does as it 
says, it could be the saviour of many machines which would 
be consigned to the junk pile otherwise...

So, expect a report from me in a couple of days on how it 
works. It isn't a fast procedure, especially with severe 
rust. It will be interesting to see how it works, 
particularily on the pivots on the levers...

Dave


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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Tue May 18 17:15:23 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:15:23 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust, and similar products
In-Reply-To: <10281370.1043375.1274216835463.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <10281370.1043375.1274216835463.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4BF2D93B.31585.2E5771F@dhunter.islandregister.com>

HI Peter:

On 18 May 2010 at 16:07, Peter Gottlieb wrote:

> Not sure if it is available in the US.

Yes, it is:

http://www.evaporust.com/

http://www.rustremover.net/

http://www.rustremover.biz/products.htm

Just a few locations I found in a Google search...

Dave

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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Tue May 18 17:47:43 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:47:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY cleaning and polishing
In-Reply-To: <A9D0CC27-7593-47D7-8A53-F30FB63379BE@studio8h.com>
References: <A9D0CC27-7593-47D7-8A53-F30FB63379BE@studio8h.com>
Message-ID: <4BF30AFF.5060601@bellsouth.net>

mail at studio8h.com wrote:
> I've noticed a number of questions recently about cleaning and polishing plastic, notably on Model 33s.
> I've used commercial telephone cleaning and polishing fluids for years and they do a great job.
> They can be found at http://www.sandman.com/cleankit.html
>   
Ol' Mike Sandman - what a character! Done business with him 
for 15+
years - always fair and professional - even if a bit kookie!

best!

-- 
randy guttery

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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed May 19 02:14:13 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 03:14:13 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
Message-ID: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi All:

Well, my test of evapo-rust is in process on the 
teletypesetter punch, and for the first time, I have found 
a product which lives up to its promises!

This is after 8 hours of soaking. At this point, I am 
supposed to rinse it with water, and put it back into the 
solution to get rid of the remaining rust. According to 
their web site, the flushing is to remove the modified 
"sulfur bearing organic molecule which pulls the iron away 
from the chelator and forms a ferric sulfate complex which 
remains water soluble. This frees the chelating agent to 
remove more iron from rust."

The process has so far gotten rid of 90% of the rust, and 
completely cleaned off and freed the levers of their rust - 
they look like brand new, and no damage from the compound. 
I think you will agree the first shot, a before shot looks 
like this punch would have been irrepairable before Evapo-
Rust. The levers were originally one solid block of rust!

Before:
http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/punch1a.jpg

After 6 hrs:
http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/6hrspunch1a.jpg

(I should have named this file 8hrspunch1a but you know 
what it represents, and the above link will take you to the 
photo taken a few minutes ago)

I will post a "done" photo to the site later today...

This stuff is amazing! Pure Magic!

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed May 19 05:10:22 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 06:10:22 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
In-Reply-To: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <4BF380CE.32436.D2B558@dhunter.islandregister.com>

See:

http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rust.html

for further reports and photos of my Evapo-Rust restoration 
project!

The stuff is just plain incredible!

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From mike at soemtron.org  Wed May 19 06:38:43 2010
From: mike at soemtron.org (Mike Hatch)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:38:43 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
References: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4BF380CE.32436.D2B558@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <010c01caf73f$74c79e40$961ca8c0@mss.local>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!


> See:
> 
> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rust.html
> 
> for further reports and photos of my Evapo-Rust restoration 
> project!
> 
> The stuff is just plain incredible!

Is this stuff available in the UK ?.
Mike.


> 
> Dave
> 
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
> 
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From jhthrower at yahoo.com  Wed May 19 06:45:59 2010
From: jhthrower at yahoo.com (John Thrower)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 03:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
In-Reply-To: <010c01caf73f$74c79e40$961ca8c0@mss.local>
Message-ID: <662454.7090.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
?
I have located a supplier of Evapo-Rusy in the UK. I am waiting for the price list, which I should have in a few hours. When I get the information I will post it to the group.
?
John
?
Madrid

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Mike Hatch <mike at soemtron.org> wrote:


From: Mike Hatch <mike at soemtron.org>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re: Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:38 PM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!


> See:
> 
> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rust.html
> 
> for further reports and photos of my Evapo-Rust restoration 
> project!
> 
> The stuff is just plain incredible!

Is this stuff available in the UK ?.
Mike.


> 
> Dave
> 
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
> 
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From dhunter at islandregister.com  Wed May 19 06:47:41 2010
From: dhunter at islandregister.com (Dave Hunter)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:47:41 -0300
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
In-Reply-To: <010c01caf73f$74c79e40$961ca8c0@mss.local>
References: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>,
	<010c01caf73f$74c79e40$961ca8c0@mss.local>
Message-ID: <4BF3979D.20931.12BD051@dhunter.islandregister.com>

Hi Mike:

On 19 May 2010 at 11:38, Mike Hatch wrote:

> Is this stuff available in the UK ?.

I just googles Evapo-Rust UK, and got many results. The 
main distributor:

http://www.evaporust.com/country/uk.html

Dave

Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net



From jhthrower at yahoo.com  Wed May 19 06:48:38 2010
From: jhthrower at yahoo.com (John Thrower)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re:  Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
In-Reply-To: <010c01caf73f$74c79e40$961ca8c0@mss.local>
Message-ID: <161691.92868.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Read that as Evapo-Rust not Evapo-Rusy....................Typing to fast

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Mike Hatch <mike at soemtron.org> wrote:


From: Mike Hatch <mike at soemtron.org>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re: Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:38 PM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!


> See:
> 
> http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rust.html
> 
> for further reports and photos of my Evapo-Rust restoration 
> project!
> 
> The stuff is just plain incredible!

Is this stuff available in the UK ?.
Mike.


> 
> Dave
> 
> Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac 
> E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
> 
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From mike at soemtron.org  Wed May 19 08:02:14 2010
From: mike at soemtron.org (Mike Hatch)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:02:14 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re: Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
References: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4BF380CE.32436.D2B558@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<010c01caf73f$74c79e40$961ca8c0@mss.local>
	<AANLkTinIv3HkI8rX4XLf7GXc8yiiv3sDHD1WhpddG2qv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013a01caf74b$1f250c50$961ca8c0@mss.local>

Hi all, many thanks for the pointers to UK Evapo-Rust sales.
Mike.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Henning DF3OE 
  To: Mike Hatch 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [personal] Re: Evapo-Rust Interim Report!


  Yes, it is. See their website.

  http://www.evaporust.com/distributor.html

  Fortunately this stuff is even available in Germany. Just found a seller on eBay Germany.

  Have to test it also.

  cheers,
  Henning DF3OE
  www.teleprinter.net




  2010/5/19 Mike Hatch <mike at soemtron.org>

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dave Hunter" <dhunter at islandregister.com>
    To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
    Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:10 AM
    Subject: [personal] Re: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!


    > See:
    >
    > http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rust.html
    >
    > for further reports and photos of my Evapo-Rust restoration
    > project!
    >
    > The stuff is just plain incredible!


    Is this stuff available in the UK ?.
    Mike.



    >
    > Dave
    >
    > Amateur Radio Station VY2AC on Prince Edward Island
    > Website: http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac
    > E-mail: vy2ac at qsl.net
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    >
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From sschlink at mindspring.com  Wed May 19 08:50:42 2010
From: sschlink at mindspring.com (Steve Schlink)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:50:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Evapo-Rust Interim Report!
In-Reply-To: <4BF380CE.32436.D2B558@dhunter.islandregister.com>
References: <4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
	<4BF35785.11037.3172DF@dhunter.islandregister.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20100519084710.02534118@pop.mindspring.com>

FYI, to remove any remaining rust stains, try a product called Whink Rust 
stain remover.
It is sold in the grocery store in the laundry products aisle.

Be sure to read the usage caution label. It is hydroflouric acid, a close 
cousin to hydrochloric, but with special affects on human cells.

Steve.

At 06:10 AM 5/19/2010 -0300, Dave Hunter wrote:
>See:
>
>http://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/rust.html
>
>for further reports and photos of my Evapo-Rust restoration
>project!
>
>The stuff is just plain incredible!
>
>Dave


From di at dim-int.com  Sat May 15 17:30:30 2010
From: di at dim-int.com (Allan Amster)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:30:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron TBA-100 Code Converter
Message-ID: <61217837140D4B21B01B44D74CE1992B@allan6>

Some one was looking for the manual for the Dovetron TBA Code Converter.  I
believe I have just the thing.

 

Please contact us off line  at di at dim-int.com

 

We will go from there..

 

Al - W8TTY


From Lester at veenstras.com  Sun May 16 08:04:05 2010
From: Lester at veenstras.com (Lester Veenstra)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:04:05 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <041401caf4cc$a5a4b0e0$6401a8c0@inet>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net><8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>
	<05ed01caf36c$23432160$69c96420$@veenstras.com>
	<041401caf4cc$a5a4b0e0$6401a8c0@inet>
Message-ID: <00bb01caf4ef$e2be8be0$a83ba3a0$@veenstras.com>

Quam



Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
lester at veenstras.com
m0ycm at veenstras.com
k1ycm at veenstras.com
?

US Postal Address:
PSC 45 Box 781
APO AE 09468?USA

UK Postal Address:
Dawn Cottage
Norwood, Harrogate
HG3 1SD, UK

Telephones:
Office:?????+44-(0)1423-846-385
Home:???? +44-(0)1943-880-963 
Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654
UK Cell:?? +44-(0)7716-298-224 
US Cell:?? +1-240-425-7335 
Jamaica:? +1-876-352-7504?
?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Kolarik [mailto:rkolarik at neb.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:41 AM
To: lester at veenstras.com; 'Don Robert House'; 'Lester Veenstra'
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures

Sorry, missed the original picture. Looks like a transmission line
switchyard, not antennas, military......location??

Ron
K0IDT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>
To: "'Don Robert House'" <k9tty at dls.net>; "'Lester Veenstra'"
<m0ycm at veenstras.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures


NO JOY:  A very long way away







Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com





US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA



UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK



Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224

US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335

Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504



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From: Don Robert House [mailto:k9tty at dls.net]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:49 AM
To: Lester Veenstra
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Fwd: Midway radio pictures



LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST...



PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...



DON



Begin forwarded message:



From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>

Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT

To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures



Don Robert House wrote:

Can any of you help me with this location?

Don

K9TTY







http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432

did I win ?????????







From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>

Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT

To: "'Don Robert House'"

Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures

Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>



OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:







Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM

lester at veenstras.com

m0ycm at veenstras.com

k1ycm at veenstras.com





US Postal Address:

PSC 45 Box 781

APO AE 09468 USA



UK Postal Address:

Dawn Cottage

Norwood, Harrogate

HG3 1SD, UK



Telephones:

Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385

Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963

Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654

UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224

US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335

Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504



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From killroy321 at hotmail.com  Thu May 20 11:29:22 2010
From: killroy321 at hotmail.com (Richard Johnson)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:29:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY in San Diego
In-Reply-To: <00bb01caf4ef$e2be8be0$a83ba3a0$@veenstras.com>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net><8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>,
	<05ed01caf36c$23432160$69c96420$@veenstras.com>,
	<041401caf4cc$a5a4b0e0$6401a8c0@inet>,
	<00bb01caf4ef$e2be8be0$a83ba3a0$@veenstras.com>
Message-ID: <COL123-W6EFB4BEF65A01000FE5B099E30@phx.gbl>


Is there anyone in the San Diego area or maybe semi close that could lend me some help in getting my GRC-122 TTY shelter operating.  Ive got the equipment mostly installed, but have absolutly no experience beyond reading the manual.  I dont know what to expect so I dont know if things will we working properly.

See my website for info on it.

Rich Johnson

www.RichardSJohnson.net
 
"Those who enjoy freedom must endeavor to preserve it."



 		 	   		  

From n1jzv at midmaine.com  Thu May 20 12:11:19 2010
From: n1jzv at midmaine.com (n1jzv at midmaine.com)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:11:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY in San Diego
In-Reply-To: <COL123-W6EFB4BEF65A01000FE5B099E30@phx.gbl>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net><8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>,
	<05ed01caf36c$23432160$69c96420$@veenstras.com>,
	<041401caf4cc$a5a4b0e0$6401a8c0@inet>,
	<00bb01caf4ef$e2be8be0$a83ba3a0$@veenstras.com>
	<COL123-W6EFB4BEF65A01000FE5B099E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1261.74.75.134.49.1274371879.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com>

> Wish I were closer but Maine is as about as far as I could be from you. 
I started from scratch with mine and just a manual, it can be done. 
Feel free to e-mail me with any questions and pictures help.

Mark
W1ACP
> Is there anyone in the San Diego area or maybe semi close that could lend
> me some help in getting my GRC-122 TTY shelter operating.  Ive got the
> equipment mostly installed, but have absolutly no experience beyond
> reading the manual.  I dont know what to expect so I dont know if things
> will we working properly.
>
> See my website for info on it.
>
> Rich Johnson
>
> www.RichardSJohnson.net
>
> "Those who enjoy freedom must endeavor to preserve it."
>
>
>
>
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From hunybuny at eskimo.com  Thu May 20 13:18:00 2010
From: hunybuny at eskimo.com (hunybuny at eskimo.com)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:18:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY in San Diego
In-Reply-To: <COL123-W6EFB4BEF65A01000FE5B099E30@phx.gbl>
References: <4BEC9A4F.3090703@copper.net><8ACC848D-EDDE-40AF-A87C-839BB412A46E@dls.net>,
	<05ed01caf36c$23432160$69c96420$@veenstras.com>,
	<041401caf4cc$a5a4b0e0$6401a8c0@inet>,
	<00bb01caf4ef$e2be8be0$a83ba3a0$@veenstras.com>
	<COL123-W6EFB4BEF65A01000FE5B099E30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4BF56EC8.1050603@eskimo.com>

Hey Rich;

I'm in San Diego - Escondido to be exact.

I can't say that I'd be of any help but I'm willing to come by and see.

Best times for me are Monday until 2:00pm and Thursday until 3:00pm.

Tony J. Podrasky (760) 297-0148

UE,
W6ESE
NNNNZCZC

Richard Johnson wrote:
> Is there anyone in the San Diego area or maybe semi close 
> that could lend me some help in getting my GRC-122 TTY shelter operating.  
> Ive got the equipment mostly installed, but have absolutly no experience 
> beyond reading the manual.  I dont know what to expect so I dont know if 
> things will we working properly.
> 
> See my website for info on it.
> 
> Rich Johnson
> 

-- 
Tony J. Podrasky | MicroSoft error messages written in Haiku:
                  |
                  |         You step in the stream,
                  |       But the water has moved on.
                  |         This page is not here.

From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Thu May 20 15:06:02 2010
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (scottjohnson1 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:06:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <00bb01caf4ef$e2be8be0$a83ba3a0$@veenstras.com>
Message-ID: <20100520150602.N8PRL.460015.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Is that the Island that makes all of the replacement speakers ?
---- Lester Veenstra <Lester at veenstras.com> wrote: 
> Quam
> 
> 
> 
> Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
> lester at veenstras.com
> m0ycm at veenstras.com
> k1ycm at veenstras.com
> ?
> 
> US Postal Address:
> PSC 45 Box 781
> APO AE 09468?USA
> 
> UK Postal Address:
> Dawn Cottage
> Norwood, Harrogate
> HG3 1SD, UK
> 
> Telephones:
> Office:?????+44-(0)1423-846-385
> Home:???? +44-(0)1943-880-963 
> Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654
> UK Cell:?? +44-(0)7716-298-224 
> US Cell:?? +1-240-425-7335 
> Jamaica:? +1-876-352-7504?
> ?
> This e-mail and any documents attached hereto contain confidential or
> privileged information. The information is intended to be for use only by
> the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the
> intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to
> the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution
> or use of the contents of this e-mail or any documents attached hereto is
> prohibited.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Kolarik [mailto:rkolarik at neb.rr.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:41 AM
> To: lester at veenstras.com; 'Don Robert House'; 'Lester Veenstra'
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
> 
> Sorry, missed the original picture. Looks like a transmission line
> switchyard, not antennas, military......location??
> 
> Ron
> K0IDT
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>
> To: "'Don Robert House'" <k9tty at dls.net>; "'Lester Veenstra'"
> <m0ycm at veenstras.com>
> Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
> 
> 
> NO JOY:  A very long way away
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
> 
> lester at veenstras.com
> 
> m0ycm at veenstras.com
> 
> k1ycm at veenstras.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> US Postal Address:
> 
> PSC 45 Box 781
> 
> APO AE 09468 USA
> 
> 
> 
> UK Postal Address:
> 
> Dawn Cottage
> 
> Norwood, Harrogate
> 
> HG3 1SD, UK
> 
> 
> 
> Telephones:
> 
> Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385
> 
> Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963
> 
> Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654
> 
> UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224
> 
> US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335
> 
> Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504
> 
> 
> 
> This e-mail and any documents attached hereto contain confidential or
> privileged information. The information is intended to be for use only by
> the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the
> intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to
> the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution
> or use of the contents of this e-mail or any documents attached hereto is
> prohibited.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Don Robert House [mailto:k9tty at dls.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:49 AM
> To: Lester Veenstra
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Fwd: Midway radio pictures
> 
> 
> 
> LOOKS LIKE RICEGUY MAY HAVE WON THE CONTEST...
> 
> 
> 
> PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...
> 
> 
> 
> DON
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> 
> From: riceguy <riceguy at copper.net>
> 
> Date: 13 May 2010 7:33:19 PM CDT
> 
> To: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
> 
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Midway radio pictures
> 
> 
> 
> Don Robert House wrote:
> 
> Can any of you help me with this location?
> 
> Don
> 
> K9TTY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/7432
> 
> did I win ?????????
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Lester Veenstra" <Lester at veenstras.com>
> 
> Date: 13 May 2010 11:28:38 AM CDT
> 
> To: "'Don Robert House'"
> 
> Subject: RE: Midway radio pictures
> 
> Reply-To: <lester at veenstras.com>
> 
> 
> 
> OK, Which of you lighting fast chicken pluckers can identify this QTH:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lester B Veenstra  M?YCM K1YCM
> 
> lester at veenstras.com
> 
> m0ycm at veenstras.com
> 
> k1ycm at veenstras.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> US Postal Address:
> 
> PSC 45 Box 781
> 
> APO AE 09468 USA
> 
> 
> 
> UK Postal Address:
> 
> Dawn Cottage
> 
> Norwood, Harrogate
> 
> HG3 1SD, UK
> 
> 
> 
> Telephones:
> 
> Office:     +44-(0)1423-846-385
> 
> Home:     +44-(0)1943-880-963
> 
> Guam Cell: +1-671-788-5654
> 
> UK Cell:   +44-(0)7716-298-224
> 
> US Cell:   +1-240-425-7335
> 
> Jamaica:  +1-876-352-7504
> 
> 
> 
> This e-mail and any documents attached hereto contain confidential or
> privileged information. The information is intended to be for use only by
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu May 20 17:19:21 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:19:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midway radio pictures
In-Reply-To: <20100520150602.N8PRL.460015.imail@fed1rmwml44>
References: <20100520150602.N8PRL.460015.imail@fed1rmwml44>
Message-ID: <4BF5A759.6040904@bellsouth.net>

scottjohnson1 at cox.net wrote:
> Is that the Island that makes all of the replacement speakers ?
>   
Indeed it is - however - they only speak Chamoru... 
best!

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From kf9nz at juno.com  Fri May 21 09:45:02 2010
From: kf9nz at juno.com (kf9nz at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:45:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Good Old Engineering Lasts Forever.. HMM
Message-ID: <20100521.064517.953.125373@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com>

      Yes, BUT:
                                1. There were several different gauges
used by U.S. Railroads.  The Erie was built to 6 ft gauge.  The thing is
that the major railroads with English money behind them were built to  4'
8-1/2", and as they consolidated they were mostly all converted to that
gauge.  There were many 3 ft gauge, and even 2 ft gauge roads as well as
4' 8", 4' 6" etc.  There was a big train wreck due to one railroad
running "compromise cars" with wide wheel treads on one of the "odd"
gauge tracks.  The fact that 4' 8-1/2 " came from Roman chariots (or at
least Roman roads) is still true.  

                                2.  Well. the tunnels were bored to
accomodate trains that ran on "standard" gauge tracks.   Alpine Tunnel in
Colorado was dug for a 3 ft gauge road, and it was too small to drive an
automobile through.  If U.S. rr's were built to 6 ft gauge, I bet that
the rockets could have been made bigger.

Another Frank - debunking the debunker   ;-)

On Wed, 5 May 2010 21:20:44 -0500 Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
writes:
Frank does a great job of debunking as usual...



Begin forwarded message:


From: Frank Nichols.


==================================
GOOD OLD ENGINEERING LASTS FOREVER Well maybe... See the notes at the end
of this story...

The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet,
8.5 inches.
That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?

Because that's the way they built them in England and the U.S. railroads
were built by English expatriates.
Why did the English build them that way?

Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the
pre-railroad tramways, that's the gauge they used.
Why did "they" use that gauge?

Because the people who built the pre-railroads used the same jigs & tools
that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.
So why did the wagons have this particular odd spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would
break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that
was the spacing of the road ruts.
So how were these ruts formed?

The first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by
Imperial Rome for their legions. These roads have been used ever since.
So, what about the ruts in the roads?

The ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match for fear of destroying
their wagon wheels, were first formed by Roman war chariots. Since the
chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were alike in the matter of
wheel spacing.

Therefore, the U.S. standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives
from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
Specifications & bureaucracies live forever!

So the next time you are handed a specification & wonder what horse's ass
came up with it, you may be literally right, because the Imperial Roman
war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back end of
two war horses. Thus, we have the answer to the original question.

Now for the twist to it all:

When we see a space shuttle sitting on it's launching pad, there are two
booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank. These are
solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at their
factory  in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's preferred to have
them fatter, but the SRB's had to be shipped by train from the factory to
the launch site. The railroad line from the factory to the launch site
had to run through a railroad tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel was
just slightly wider than the railroad tracks and the railroad tracks were
about as wide as two horses' rumps.

Therefore, a major design feature of what is arguably the world's most
advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago
by the width of a horse's ass...

DON'T YOU JUST LOVE ENGINEERING?


Spoiler alert.
Now here?s what SNOPES says about it (FALSE).
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.asp


basically, there is some truth to the idea of wagon wheels matching
ruts, but there were three separate gauges used in the U.S. until after
the Civil War.

As to the SRBs - there are no railroad tunnels ?slightly wider? than the
tracks. In round numbers, most locomotives and cars are 10 feet wide, not
4?8?. (see U.S. Army's Tables of Railway Equipment )

Frank
____________________________________________________________
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri May 21 16:40:47 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:40:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Spotted on usenet comp.dcom.telecom
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005211538420.2642@localhost>


From: Tim Wolseth <user at compgroups.net/>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? 
[Telecom]

Yes I have 6 or 8 of them. I am located in MN and want to sell them. 
Please Email

---
frmsrcurl: 
http://compgroups.net/comp.dcom.telecom/Do-you-know-where-there-are-Teletype-machines-for-sale-Telecom


~


From chrise at pobox.com  Fri May 21 19:09:00 2010
From: chrise at pobox.com (Chris Elmquist)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:09:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Spotted on usenet comp.dcom.telecom
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005211538420.2642@localhost>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005211538420.2642@localhost>
Message-ID: <20100521230900.GP12136@n0jcf.net>

Whoa...  I am in MN and I want to buy them!  What a coincidence...

So, Tim Wolseth is the poster of that text?

On Friday (05/21/2010 at 03:40PM -0500), Jim Haynes wrote:
> 
> From: Tim Wolseth <user at compgroups.net/>
> Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
> Subject: Re: Do you know where there are Teletype machines for sale? 
> [Telecom]
> 
> Yes I have 6 or 8 of them. I am located in MN and want to sell them. 
> Please Email
> 
> ---
> frmsrcurl: 
> http://compgroups.net/comp.dcom.telecom/Do-you-know-where-there-are-Teletype-machines-for-sale-Telecom
> 
> 
> ~
> 
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From beck8463 at bellsouth.net  Sat May 22 12:19:00 2010
From: beck8463 at bellsouth.net (John)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:19:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 15s
Message-ID: <4BF803F4.3030800@bellsouth.net>

I have two Model 15 Teletypes that I rescued from a friend's dirt 
basement. They are old and dirty, but they are FREE to anyone who will 
come get them. Pictures of both are available at 
http://www.w4btx.com/mod15.html

I'd like to give them to someone who wants them, but they've got to go 
before the XYL decides to clean the basement and discovers my "junque."
I am in Stone Mountain, GA which is a suburb of Atlanta and contact info 
is available at the above link.

73

John, W4BTX

-- 
     "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
     When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
     President Thomas Jefferson


From pete at petelancashire.com  Sat May 22 14:24:08 2010
From: pete at petelancashire.com (Pete Lancashire)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:24:08 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 15s
Message-ID: <3d77741ef7b86c3c582abc8f5aa5e1e7.squirrel@petelancashire.com>

for being in a dirt basement, they seem to be in damn good condition !

sadly a bit too far to drive from Oregon to go pick them up

-pete

From beck8463 at bellsouth.net  Sat May 22 14:32:24 2010
From: beck8463 at bellsouth.net (John)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:32:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15s spoken for!
Message-ID: <4BF82338.2050900@bellsouth.net>

Man, this RTTY group gets results! David, (N3BAF) is coming to pick up 
the two model 15s next Wednesday. Thanks to all for your interest.

73
John, W4BTX

-- 
     "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
     When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
     President Thomas Jefferson


From NNN7DXB at aol.com  Sat May 22 15:17:14 2010
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:17:14 EDT
Subject: [GreenKeys] CommCenter-2
Message-ID: <3f4a.1016b3e1.392987ba@aol.com>

All:

For those who have been following the military-style traffic that was
being sent by the CommCenter Group on CommCenter-2, be aware
that it's SYSOP has been laid-up for a few days due illness.

Therefore, the manual FTP server has not been updated, and won't, until he 
is
sufficiently recovered in order to work the circuit.

Also note that this link (CC-2) will be updated and automated soon to
more closely resemble an (older) Air Force teletype circuit operating in 
the
JANAP 128 format.

For those who are (still) interested, you may continue to pick up 
CommCenter
traffic at these URLs which also feature simulated (military) teletype 
circuits
from years past: (make sure you have Java enabled)

CommCenter-8:

http://commcenter-8.net

(Replicates a US Army 1st Signal Brigade tape relay monitor position with
60 wpm traffic. This circuit uses ACP-127 Tape Relay format. It is an
automated site)

http://commcenter-8.net/cc-9

(Replicates a combined Navy/Coast Guard Fleet Broadcast and RATT link
with occassional NAVTEX traffic from SITOR-B BCSTS along with other types
of traffic. This link uses most common formats, ACP-126 (RATT); ACP-127
(Tape Relay), JANAP-128 (AUTODIN), AFOS, WMO and USCG NAVTEX. This
is an automated site).

None of these sites are official US Govt sites. They exist for the fun and
enjoyment of the former military communicators.

Note that these are only replicator (simulated) teletype, and not actual
teletype. Links include sound effects.

Feedback always appreciated.

Enjoy!

Dave

From wa2hwj at att.net  Sun May 23 09:20:08 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:20:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Channel units
Message-ID: <000001cafa7a$aab89ca0$0029d5e0$@net>

This item on Ebay is two 43A carrier telegraph units (not audio amps).
They

appear to have their plug-in tone filters. Not in the best of shape...

 

110536790356

 

Jack K0TTY

 

 


From di at dim-int.com  Sun May 23 14:07:35 2010
From: di at dim-int.com (Allan Amster)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:07:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <mailman.103.1274630454.28380.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.103.1274630454.28380.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BEB37D542244D1C81A9E91888E8FAD7@allan6>

Why am I getting to of the Digests daily?  Please fix!

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
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Today's Topics:

   1. Free Model 15s (John)
   2. Free Model 15s (Pete Lancashire)
   3. Model 15s spoken for! (John)
   4. CommCenter-2 (NNN7DXB at aol.com)
   5. Channel units (Jack)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:19:00 -0400
From: John <beck8463 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 15s
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4BF803F4.3030800 at bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have two Model 15 Teletypes that I rescued from a friend's dirt 
basement. They are old and dirty, but they are FREE to anyone who will 
come get them. Pictures of both are available at 
http://www.w4btx.com/mod15.html

I'd like to give them to someone who wants them, but they've got to go 
before the XYL decides to clean the basement and discovers my "junque."
I am in Stone Mountain, GA which is a suburb of Atlanta and contact info 
is available at the above link.

73

John, W4BTX

-- 
     "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
     When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
     President Thomas Jefferson



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:24:08 -0700
From: "Pete Lancashire" <pete at petelancashire.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Model 15s
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
	<3d77741ef7b86c3c582abc8f5aa5e1e7.squirrel at petelancashire.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

for being in a dirt basement, they seem to be in damn good condition !

sadly a bit too far to drive from Oregon to go pick them up

-pete


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:32:24 -0400
From: John <beck8463 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15s spoken for!
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4BF82338.2050900 at bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Man, this RTTY group gets results! David, (N3BAF) is coming to pick up 
the two model 15s next Wednesday. Thanks to all for your interest.

73
John, W4BTX

-- 
     "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
     When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
     President Thomas Jefferson



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:17:14 EDT
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com
Subject: [GreenKeys] CommCenter-2
To: greenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <3f4a.1016b3e1.392987ba at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

All:

For those who have been following the military-style traffic that was
being sent by the CommCenter Group on CommCenter-2, be aware
that it's SYSOP has been laid-up for a few days due illness.

Therefore, the manual FTP server has not been updated, and won't, until he 
is
sufficiently recovered in order to work the circuit.

Also note that this link (CC-2) will be updated and automated soon to
more closely resemble an (older) Air Force teletype circuit operating in 
the
JANAP 128 format.

For those who are (still) interested, you may continue to pick up 
CommCenter
traffic at these URLs which also feature simulated (military) teletype 
circuits
from years past: (make sure you have Java enabled)

CommCenter-8:

http://commcenter-8.net

(Replicates a US Army 1st Signal Brigade tape relay monitor position with
60 wpm traffic. This circuit uses ACP-127 Tape Relay format. It is an
automated site)

http://commcenter-8.net/cc-9

(Replicates a combined Navy/Coast Guard Fleet Broadcast and RATT link
with occassional NAVTEX traffic from SITOR-B BCSTS along with other types
of traffic. This link uses most common formats, ACP-126 (RATT); ACP-127
(Tape Relay), JANAP-128 (AUTODIN), AFOS, WMO and USCG NAVTEX. This
is an automated site).

None of these sites are official US Govt sites. They exist for the fun and
enjoyment of the former military communicators.

Note that these are only replicator (simulated) teletype, and not actual
teletype. Links include sound effects.

Feedback always appreciated.

Enjoy!

Dave


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:20:08 -0500
From: "Jack" <wa2hwj at att.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Channel units
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000001cafa7a$aab89ca0$0029d5e0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

This item on Ebay is two 43A carrier telegraph units (not audio amps).
They

appear to have their plug-in tone filters. Not in the best of shape...

 

110536790356

 

Jack K0TTY

 

 



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From dmm at lemur.com  Sun May 23 15:14:44 2010
From: dmm at lemur.com (dmm at lemur.com)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:14:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypesetter 6-level Punch Photos
Message-ID: <201005231909.AAL04663@rg7.cniteam.com>


I did a partial disassembly of the punch unit of one of my
Teletypesetter Keyboard Perforators (a 6-level punch) to show
Dave Hunter some images of a different machine.  They're not great
photos, and the punch itself is pretty grubby, but it is interesting
to see the mechanism and a 6-level punch block.  In case you might
be interested, they're online for a while at:

http://www.lemur.com/temp/tts-punch-block-disassembly/index.html

I was pleasantly surprised at the condition of the punch - it's dirty
and has some surface rust, but I was expecting much, much worse.
This is a future project, though, so for now I've just reassembled
(and lubricated) the unit.


In semi-related news, I did get a chance yesterday to see a Linotype
equipped for Teletypesetter.  It's at the Pioneer Village Museum in
Barron, Wisconsin (north of Eau Claire).  See:
http://www.lemur.com/temp/barron-model-5-frontview-0687-small.jpg
and
http://www.lemur.com/temp/barron-model-5-tts-0705-small.jpg

It's a rather old machine (a Model 5, probably from 1912), retrofitted 
for TTS.  It isn't presently running, but may be in the future.

Regards,
David M.
===
Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com & www.CircuitousRoot.com

   The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
       - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold


From james at al7rv.net  Mon May 24 09:33:15 2010
From: james at al7rv.net (Jim Cook)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:33:15 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-116 on that site
In-Reply-To: <000001cafa7a$aab89ca0$0029d5e0$@net>
References: <000001cafa7a$aab89ca0$0029d5e0$@net>
Message-ID: <4BFA801B.1070904@al7rv.net>

Looks nice, would love to have it but my wife would kill me!

CV-116 on eBay  Item Number: 250638281746

--
Highrange


From nico at farumdata.dk  Mon May 24 09:58:18 2010
From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:58:18 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-116 on that site
References: <000001cafa7a$aab89ca0$0029d5e0$@net> <4BFA801B.1070904@al7rv.net>
Message-ID: <393DBAB073DE415496DDEB76EB12AC29@udvikling>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cook" xxx at al7rv.net


> Looks nice, would love to have it but my wife would kill me!
> 
> CV-116 on eBay  Item Number: 250638281746
> 
Indeed it looks nice. My wife wouldnt kill me, but my back would !


From jangus at suddenlink.net  Mon May 24 10:03:36 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:03:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-116 on that site
In-Reply-To: <4BFA801B.1070904@al7rv.net>
References: <000001cafa7a$aab89ca0$0029d5e0$@net> <4BFA801B.1070904@al7rv.net>
Message-ID: <4BFA8738.80104@suddenlink.net>

On 5/24/2010 8:33 AM, Jim Cook wrote:
> CV-116
>    
Oooohers, oh wait, All I have is the rack cabinet. I still need to buy a 
pair of R-390s.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From john at johnwhitney.com  Wed May 26 02:04:25 2010
From: john at johnwhitney.com (John Whitney)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:04:25 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Teletype 35 in NY
In-Reply-To: <mailman.105.1273161691.16216.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <NKBBLCKPOLDHFOHCEDIACEKIDJAA.john@johnwhitney.com>

Free Teletype 35 in NY

   http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/zip/1759850438.html

It's on Craigslist.

John
john at johnwhitney period com

From jack.rubin at ameritech.net  Wed May 26 12:33:25 2010
From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 76, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <mailman.101.1274889649.8496.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.101.1274889649.8496.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <813199.37077.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Got it, thanks!
Jack

? 
> http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/zip/1759850438.html

It's on 
> Craigslist.

John
john at johnwhitney period 
> com


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From submarine_veteran at msn.com  Wed May 26 16:00:41 2010
From: submarine_veteran at msn.com (HENRY A LINES)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:00:41 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-129 items needed
Message-ID: <BAY110-W4874D24E094674F974D5379DE90@phx.gbl>


Hello,

 I need some ugc-129 items, the A6 rom card, the ac power connector and data connectors for them, and like to talk to other 129 owners

Henry K7GNR 

 		 	   		  

From radioham at mchsi.com  Wed May 26 19:49:30 2010
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:49:30 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Manuals
Message-ID: <p06240824c82361048a06@[10.0.1.3]>

I'm new to the list so forgive me for what may be an improper question.

20-25 years ago I was very active with RTTY.  I had to set things 
aside because of other responsibilities.   I am back active again but 
because of downsizing I will need to clear out things I either won't 
use or no longer have room for.  I am starting with an extensive set 
of parts and maintenance manuals - two boxes or more.  I would like 
an honest opinion on whether it is best to put them in the recycle 
bin, give them away, or if it is reasonable to try to sell them.

Later I will need to make up my mind on the test equipment I have, my 
3 speed 28 KSR and my 3 speed 28 tape punch.  That will be a tough 
decision to make as I did so love the sound of the machine running in 
the background.

David K0LUM

From jack.rubin at ameritech.net  Thu May 27 08:32:48 2010
From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:32:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] model 35 info
Message-ID: <5AA16FB4C8D14AE195721DDBCAA823D4@obie>

Thanks to John Whitney, I'm rescuing a model 35 KSR. A friend has
"volunteered" to pick it up and store it for me. I have no direct experience
with this model - it's on a floor stand and seems to look more like a 33
than a 28 in this respect. Can the sheet metal stand be easily (by a
non-Greenkeyer) detached from the typing unit? Any precautions to be taken
before moving?

Thanks in advance,
Jack 
KC9HVE


From mike at soemtron.org  Thu May 27 09:02:25 2010
From: mike at soemtron.org (Mike Hatch)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:02:25 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [personal]  model 35 info
References: <5AA16FB4C8D14AE195721DDBCAA823D4@obie>
Message-ID: <009a01cafd9c$db1459f0$961ca8c0@mss.local>

Hi,

We picked up a KSR35 from Germany last year.
As far as we could find (3 of us) there was no way of removing the stand 
like you can with a 33.
We then just had to get the whole thing into the car.

Is there a way ?

Any precautions ?, yes it's (expletive) very, very heavy, mind your back.

MIke.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Rubin" <jack.rubin at ameritech.net>
To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: [personal] [GreenKeys] model 35 info


> Thanks to John Whitney, I'm rescuing a model 35 KSR. A friend has
> "volunteered" to pick it up and store it for me. I have no direct 
> experience
> with this model - it's on a floor stand and seems to look more like a 33
> than a 28 in this respect. Can the sheet metal stand be easily (by a
> non-Greenkeyer) detached from the typing unit? Any precautions to be taken
> before moving?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jack
> KC9HVE
>
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From nagle at animats.com  Thu May 27 14:12:46 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:12:46 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Anyone have a tape printer (Model 14 or equivalent)
	available?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.91.1274976052.20469.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.91.1274976052.20469.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4BFEB61E.8020806@animats.com>

    Having done the Aetheric Message Machine ("http://www.aetherltd.com"), I'm
considering a machine for Dickens Faire.  That, to be in period, would need
to be a tape printer, like a Model 14, not a page printer or perforator.  So
I'm looking for a tape printer.  Anything available?  I'm on the west coast.
				
					John Nagle


From wa2hwj at att.net  Thu May 27 16:35:01 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:35:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description
Message-ID: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>

ZCZC

 

Check out item  390200880844 on the bidding site.

 

Apparently this person has been able to make a 1960's era

green-spot-only distortion scope work in full color with amazing

features...and only for $299.  Obviously better than the one that

sole last week for $9.99!

 

Jack K0TTY

 

NNNN

 

 


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu May 27 17:14:39 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:14:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description
In-Reply-To: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>
References: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>
Message-ID: <4BFEE0BF.4030201@bellsouth.net>

Jack wrote:
> ZCZC
>
>  
>
> Check out item  390200880844 on the bidding site.
>
>  
>
> Apparently this person has been able to make a 1960's era
>
> green-spot-only distortion scope work in full color with amazing
>
> features...and only for $299.  Obviously better than the one that
>
> sole last week for $9.99!
>   
What "magic" this idiot ( liar, charlatan, bum!) has accomplished - is 
to copy an paste the description of a PC tty program - without even 
bothering to proof read it him (her)self....  it'd be funny except for 
their 100% feedback might actually lull someone into being a bit 
careless...

Tell ya' what - I'll bet if the auction (description) stands - and some 
poor soul buys that thing based on the (mis)representations - that 100% 
feedback won't last for long...  

sheesh

-- 

randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu May 27 17:22:18 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:22:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description
In-Reply-To: <4BFEE0BF.4030201@bellsouth.net>
References: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>
	<4BFEE0BF.4030201@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4BFEE28A.1040407@bellsouth.net>


From comcents at bellsouth.net  Thu May 27 17:30:27 2010
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy and Sherry Guttery)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:30:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description
In-Reply-To: <4BFEE28A.1040407@bellsouth.net>
References: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>	<4BFEE0BF.4030201@bellsouth.net>
	<4BFEE28A.1040407@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4BFEE473.7000508@bellsouth.net>

Randy and Sherry Guttery wrote:

<still having trouble with AT&T stripping message bodies...>

anyway - what I *tried* to send was...

A quick search with Google turned up the exact page he copied from:

<http://www.writelog.com/tuning.htm>

double sheeesh!

-- 
randy guttery 

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service: 
http://tendertale.com


From ldesoto at comcast.net  Thu May 27 18:18:54 2010
From: ldesoto at comcast.net (ldesoto at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:18:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description
In-Reply-To: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>
Message-ID: <822592916.2089681274998734294.JavaMail.root@sz0100a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



ROFL!? Don't forget the $51.25 in shipping charges. But hey, it's 64x64 pixels, updated 4 time a second to limit latency...the bargain of a lifetime. 



Larry 

WA5MLH 






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <wa2hwj at att.net> 
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:35:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description 

ZCZC 

? 

Check out item ?390200880844 on the bidding site. 

? 

Apparently this person has been able to make a 1960's era 

green-spot-only distortion scope work in full color with amazing 

features...and only for $299. ?Obviously better than the one that 

sole last week for $9.99! 

? 

Jack K0TTY 

? 

NNNN 

? 

? 

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From rkolarik at neb.rr.com  Thu May 27 18:54:11 2010
From: rkolarik at neb.rr.com (Ron Kolarik)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:54:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description
References: <000801cafddc$15268980$3f739c80$@net>
Message-ID: <031501cafdef$89e0c2a0$6401a8c0@inet>

One look at the sellers other items should give a clue.
Need high heels and a speedo??

Ron
K0IDT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <wa2hwj at att.net>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Item description


> ZCZC
> 
>  
> 
> Check out item  390200880844 on the bidding site.
> 
>  
> 
> Apparently this person has been able to make a 1960's era
> 
> green-spot-only distortion scope work in full color with amazing
> 
> features...and only for $299.  Obviously better than the one that
> 
> sole last week for $9.99!
> 
>  
> 
> Jack K0TTY
> 
>  
> 
> NNNN
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From nagle at animats.com  Fri May 28 14:58:23 2010
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:58:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Teletype on Craiglist - model 28 or 35 - Kansas
	City.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.127.1275062469.15452.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.127.1275062469.15452.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C00124F.2030106@animats.com>

Free Teletype on Craiglist,

    http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1694349592.html

The poster posted a stock picture of a Model 28 in the
"mailbox" case, but that's not the actual item.

				John Nagle

From wa2hwj at att.net  Fri May 28 14:54:17 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:54:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Teletype on Craiglist - model 28 or 35 -
	Kansas	City.
In-Reply-To: <4C00124F.2030106@animats.com>
References: <mailman.127.1275062469.15452.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<4C00124F.2030106@animats.com>
Message-ID: <001501cafe97$2cdd0700$86971500$@net>

That's a Model 15 in the mailbox case, not a 28...and, it is exactly
what
they have. Unfortunately, they think it's a valuable antique.
I offered $50 and they turned it down.

Jack K0TTY



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Nagle
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:58 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Free Teletype on Craiglist - model 28 or 35 -
Kansas City.

Free Teletype on Craiglist,

    http://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/1694349592.html

The poster posted a stock picture of a Model 28 in the
"mailbox" case, but that's not the actual item.

				John Nagle
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From vibroplex at mindspring.com  Fri May 28 19:35:19 2010
From: vibroplex at mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:35:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes for Sale in Colorado
Message-ID: <D7127FEAF3E8440BA98E5AFBD51A83B0@dereka482e87c5>

http://westslope.craigslist.org/atq/1735767089.html

Looks like a Model 15 with stand, a Model 28 and a reperforator all for $40!

73,

Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WB?TUA

From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 29 20:04:32 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 17:04:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 Typing Unit
Message-ID: <B3D03FBFA86443F2821E4744982E5CED@sandel.local>

Gentlemen,

 

For anyone interested, I have a model 28 typing unit available for parts.

 

It was originally damaged when shipped to me a while back when it was
apparently dropped on the right side.  The upper right corner of the right
frame sheet metal is bent.  Other than that, is complete and could serve as
an excellent parts unit for someone.  With talent, it might even be put back
in service.

 

 

Gerry

AD6MC


From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 30 12:50:19 2010
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:50:19 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 Typing Unit
Message-ID: <00813F2DAFEA4FCABDD64BB043019300@sandel.local>

Good morning,

 

  The 28 typing unit has been spoken for.

 

Gerry

AD6MC


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun May 30 21:01:24 2010
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:01:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] humor in uniform
Message-ID: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>

in some mail from a Navy RM talking about practical jokes..
" .... or turn all the M28 type pallets 'upside down' and convince the
CommOfficer that the 'other end has their tape in upside down'.  There
is nothing more dangerous than a bored sailor on a midwatch."

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun May 30 21:47:27 2010
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 20:47:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] humor in uniform
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005302045480.3403@localhost>

After WW-II Teletype Corp. developed an electronic time-division
multiplex and demonstrated it to the Navy.  One of the engineers
on the project was a former Western Union operator who had learned
the trick of sending "The quick brown fox..." backwards.  Which he
proceeded to do as part of the demonstration.

From k9tty at dls.net  Sun May 30 23:56:31 2010
From: k9tty at dls.net (Don Robert House)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:56:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] humor in uniform
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005302045480.3403@localhost>
References: <AANLkTilR34wUN6pkWrUteYDenbt6xkIRKOQU-XJRQVca@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1005302045480.3403@localhost>
Message-ID: <E2FAE54B-04FD-4564-B407-8CA06839BA2A@dls.net>

0987654321 ## KCAB S'GOD YZAL A REVO DEPMUJ XOF NWORB KCIUQ EHT
0987654321 ## KCAB S'GOD YZAL A REVO DEPMUJ XOF NWORB KCIUQ EHT
0987654321 ## KCAB S'GOD YZAL A REVO DEPMUJ XOF NWORB KCIUQ EHT

THE OHM, A UNIT OF RESISTANCE, BY ROGER SIMON OHM
THE MHO, A UNIT OF TRANSCONDUCTANCE,  BY REGOR NOMIS MHO


From nico at farumdata.dk  Mon May 31 10:36:24 2010
From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:36:24 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
Message-ID: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>

Hi folks
I've just laid my dirty hands on an ASR33, destined for our data museum. 
Very nice machine, kept in a dry cellar for many years.
The only problem I've encountered so far, is that neither RETURN nor 
LINEFEED work. Things move, but the carriage is not returned, and the paper 
is not advanced.
I have only this mmachine at home, so I can't readily compare it to a 
working machine.
Any help would be appreciated.
Oh, I have the full documentation, so even references to pages would be 
appreciated
Regards
Nico (OZ 1 BMC)


From nerd at verizon.net  Mon May 31 11:17:39 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:17:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
In-Reply-To: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>
References: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>
Message-ID: <4C03D313.4090908@verizon.net>

IIRC there are code levers which move when the CR and LF are present in 
the individual bars after being converted to parallel.  Check that they 
are lubricated and can move freely and that the corresponding mechanisms 
are the same.  Check also for missing springs.  It's been a long time 
(30+ years but that's a good start.

Peter


Nico de Jong wrote:
> Hi folks
> I've just laid my dirty hands on an ASR33, destined for our data museum. 
> Very nice machine, kept in a dry cellar for many years.
> The only problem I've encountered so far, is that neither RETURN nor 
> LINEFEED work. Things move, but the carriage is not returned, and the paper 
> is not advanced.
> I have only this mmachine at home, so I can't readily compare it to a 
> working machine.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Oh, I have the full documentation, so even references to pages would be 
> appreciated
> Regards
> Nico (OZ 1 BMC)
>
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From teletypeparts at aol.com  Mon May 31 13:49:38 2010
From: teletypeparts at aol.com (teletypeparts at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:49:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
In-Reply-To: <4C03D313.4090908@verizon.net>
References: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>
	<4C03D313.4090908@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8CCCF00C5E8B429-3E34-1FB10@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>


Nico,

Most problems on 33's that have been stored a long time are related to congealed grease.  It can be freed up with some solvent (I use Breakaway) and then oiled after drying.  Dont spray any solvent near plastic parts like the answerback contact area or kybd contacts etc.  The codebars that Peter mentioned are usually sluggish with the congealed grease.  

Does it type letters correctly?

CR is 1348 marking and LF is 24 marking.  You can look at the code bars on the left side where they extend out from under the tape punch to check.  Marking codebars will extend out, spacing will not.  #1 is at the rear of the bars, 8 at the front.  Some machines with ALT kybds send the 8th pulse all the time.  

Also on 33's, the main rule is VISUAL, VISUAL, VISUAL, right guys?  No adjustments unless you are sure.  Not too much typing till you check the rubber hammer or you will ruin the typewheel.  I think thats enuf for now.  

Have fun!

Wayne
KB1FDW








-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
To: Nico de Jong <nico at farumdata.dk>
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR33


IIRC there are code levers which move when the CR and LF are present in 
he individual bars after being converted to parallel.  Check that they 
re lubricated and can move freely and that the corresponding mechanisms 
re the same.  Check also for missing springs.  It's been a long time 
30+ years but that's a good start.
Peter

ico de Jong wrote:
 Hi folks
 I've just laid my dirty hands on an ASR33, destined for our data museum. 
 Very nice machine, kept in a dry cellar for many years.
 The only problem I've encountered so far, is that neither RETURN nor 
 LINEFEED work. Things move, but the carriage is not returned, and the paper 
 is not advanced.
 I have only this mmachine at home, so I can't readily compare it to a 
 working machine.
 Any help would be appreciated.
 Oh, I have the full documentation, so even references to pages would be 
 appreciated
 Regards
 Nico (OZ 1 BMC)

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From jhthrower at yahoo.com  Mon May 31 14:04:24 2010
From: jhthrower at yahoo.com (John Thrower)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paper and Tape
Message-ID: <221339.23272.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
?
I?live in Spain and I am finding it VERY difficult to find single ply paper and five level? tape. 
I am forced to purchase it on ebay and ship it over. This?is prohibitively expensive and time consuming
.
I have a couple of ASR 28s in rebuild, a Siemens T37 and am expecting a T100Z in a few days.
?
Does anyone know a source in Europe?
?
Tks
?
John

From nerd at verizon.net  Mon May 31 14:13:57 2010
From: nerd at verizon.net (Peter Gottlieb)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:13:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
Message-ID: <1075880194.1137880.1275329637718.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net>


From wa2hwj at att.net  Mon May 31 14:24:40 2010
From: wa2hwj at att.net (Jack)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:24:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
In-Reply-To: <8CCCF00C5E8B429-3E34-1FB10@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
References: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>	<4C03D313.4090908@verizon.net>
	<8CCCF00C5E8B429-3E34-1FB10@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cb00ee$88ce77c0$9a6b6740$@net>

It also helps to put some tape in the perforator and watch the
code bits as you type/send to it. It gives you a quick
idea if the selector and code bars are working.

Also make sure the dashpot is clean as well as the "bearings"
(sideplates) on either side of the platen.

As Wayne rightly says, 33's get gunked up....

Jack K0TTY






-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
teletypeparts at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:50 PM
To: nerd at verizon.net; nico at farumdata.dk
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR33


Nico,

Most problems on 33's that have been stored a long time are related to
congealed grease.  It can be freed up with some solvent (I use
Breakaway) and then oiled after drying.  Dont spray any solvent near
plastic parts like the answerback contact area or kybd contacts etc.
The codebars that Peter mentioned are usually sluggish with the
congealed grease.  

Does it type letters correctly?

CR is 1348 marking and LF is 24 marking.  You can look at the code
bars on the left side where they extend out from under the tape punch
to check.  Marking codebars will extend out, spacing will not.  #1 is
at the rear of the bars, 8 at the front.  Some machines with ALT kybds
send the 8th pulse all the time.  

Also on 33's, the main rule is VISUAL, VISUAL, VISUAL, right guys?  No
adjustments unless you are sure.  Not too much typing till you check
the rubber hammer or you will ruin the typewheel.  I think thats enuf
for now.  

Have fun!

Wayne
KB1FDW








-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
To: Nico de Jong <nico at farumdata.dk>
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR33


IIRC there are code levers which move when the CR and LF are present
in 
he individual bars after being converted to parallel.  Check that they

re lubricated and can move freely and that the corresponding
mechanisms 
re the same.  Check also for missing springs.  It's been a long time 
30+ years but that's a good start.
Peter

ico de Jong wrote:
 Hi folks
 I've just laid my dirty hands on an ASR33, destined for our data
museum. 
 Very nice machine, kept in a dry cellar for many years.
 The only problem I've encountered so far, is that neither RETURN nor 
 LINEFEED work. Things move, but the carriage is not returned, and the
paper 
 is not advanced.
 I have only this mmachine at home, so I can't readily compare it to a

 working machine.
 Any help would be appreciated.
 Oh, I have the full documentation, so even references to pages would
be 
 appreciated
 Regards
 Nico (OZ 1 BMC)

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From zarco at sonic.net  Mon May 31 15:21:38 2010
From: zarco at sonic.net (Steve)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:21:38 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] FS: CV-182/GRC-26A diversity IF converter
Message-ID: <000d01cb00f6$7f33d810$116194d1@starwars>

I advertised this a few months ago and had some interest, but its still
here and needs to find a new home. Last chance before e-bay.

This is the Navy version of the CV-182 (model FRF) Frequency Shift
Converter. Its a dual diversity FSK converter that takes the IF from
a pair of receivers (440-510 KC). The GRC-26A is a rack containing
two R-388's (Collins 51J3's) and this converter driving a model 15
printer. Power supply (110 VAC, 60 Hz) is built in. Its in original condition
with no mods or extra holes. The chassis will need a good cleaning but
its has been MFP's (varnish *everywhere*!) and should be easy to
get going. Missing three tubes.

The weight is over 200 pounds so its a pick up only item in Santa Rosa,
CA which is about 50 miles north of San Francisco. $100 which includes
the manual (TM 11-5062). Will consider swap for a nice Model 15.
Pics on request.  zarco at sonic dot net
                    Steve W6SSP

From nico at farumdata.dk  Mon May 31 16:40:51 2010
From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:40:51 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
References: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>
	<4C03D313.4090908@verizon.net>
	<8CCCF00C5E8B429-3E34-1FB10@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CCC5E6619A04C7CB5AE07D17661C12F@udvikling>

--- Original Message ----- 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ASR33


> Nico,

> Most problems on 33's that have been stored a long time are related to congealed grease.  It can be freed up with some solvent (I use Breakaway) and then oiled after drying.  Dont spray any solvent near plastic parts like the answerback contact area or kybd contacts etc.  The codebars that Peter mentioned are usually sluggish with the congealed grease.  

> Does it type letters correctly?

> CR is 1348 marking and LF is 24 marking.  You can look at the code bars on the left side where they extend out from under the tape punch to check.  Marking codebars will extend out, spacing will not.  #1 is at the rear of the bars, 8 at the front.  Some machines with ALT kybds send the 8th pulse all the time.  

> Also on 33's, the main rule is VISUAL, VISUAL, VISUAL, right guys?  No adjustments unless you are sure.  Not too much typing till you check the rubber hammer or you will ruin the typewheel.  I think thats enuf for now.  

>Have fun!

>Wayne

Letters are typed correctly. The code bars move. 
The (manual) carriage release mechanism behind the keyboard works too.
The rubber hammer seems ok too, for the time being. The AnswerBack functions too, as does the Repeat key.
The tape path is blocked somewhere, but that is a different problem, to be looked at later.

I just found the explanation for the CR mechaniscm (310B, vol 1, page 32), so I'll have to study it tomorrow.

Thanks for your help so far

Nico

From nico at farumdata.dk  Mon May 31 16:43:16 2010
From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:43:16 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33
References: <E6F7C45129E14D24BCC63821B04433FF@udvikling>
	<4C03D313.4090908@verizon.net>
	<8CCCF00C5E8B429-3E34-1FB10@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
	<000301cb00ee$88ce77c0$9a6b6740$@net>
Message-ID: <529F66E7501E48CF83D0191399AA4DA2@udvikling>

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] ASR33


> It also helps to put some tape in the perforator and watch the
> code bits as you type/send to it. It gives you a quick
> idea if the selector and code bars are working.
>
> Also make sure the dashpot is clean as well as the "bearings"
> (sideplates) on either side of the platen.
>
> As Wayne rightly says, 33's get gunked up....
>
The tape in the perforator is stuck right now, so that will be the next 
problem to solve.
The code bars are working, also for CR and LF, but the CR mechanism is on 
strike. I found the detailed description in the manual, so that's for 
tomorrow
Tks
Nico 


From s.hallas at ntlworld.com  Mon May 31 17:24:48 2010
From: s.hallas at ntlworld.com (Sam Hallas)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:24:48 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Paper and Tape
In-Reply-To: <221339.23272.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <221339.23272.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C042920.1010301@ntlworld.com>

John Thrower wrote:
>  I live in Spain and I am finding it VERY difficult to find single ply
>  paper and five level  tape. I am forced to purchase it on ebay and
>  ship it over. This is prohibitively expensive and time consuming .
>  Does anyone know a source in Europe?

Well, if you count the UK as Europe (even some people here don't!) there 
seem to be plenty of suppliers offering "telex rolls". For instance 
<http://www.officeshopping.co.uk/Telex-Rolls>

though not cheap. Tape is a different matter.

Cheers,
Sam



