[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 86, Issue 42
hanno ix
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Thu Mar 31 17:59:54 EDT 2011
Hi:
Looking forward to GreeKeys discussions.
Actually, I am in need of a stand-alone paperpunch/-reader or
a device that can be modified to be one.
I wonder if anyone could help me with that.
Regards
Hanno
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER (gil at baudot.net)
2. Re: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER (Pete Lancashire)
3. Re: Teletype Model 242 (?) (Don Robert House)
4. Teletype Metal Tables & Perforators Documentation
(Don Robert House)
5. Re: Teletype Model 242 (?) (Duncan Brown)
6. Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver) (Bill Horne)
7. Re: Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
(Pete Lancashire)
8. Re: Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
(Bill Horne)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:02:51 -0700
From: <gil at baudot.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
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Hi folks:
I'd like to introduce Craig Koht as a new member to the list; a former
Teletype employee along with his wife and father-in-law -- his wife
Karen is the pretty lady in the Model 37 marketing pic:
http://www.baudot.net/teletype/pics/M37-KSR-1.jpg
Welcome Craig!
gil
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
> Date: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:41 am
> To: <gil at baudot.net>
> Cc: "'Craig Koht'" <cuzed2 at gmail.com>
>
>
> Gil,
>
> Thanks for the quick response!
> My actual finished product knowledge from Teletype will be a bit superficial;
>because during my time there I worked in the semiconductor lab evaluating sample
>solid state devices (for possible purchase and use in Teletype product), and
>also lending SEM/Failure Analysis support to Teletype's CMOS fabrication group.
>
> Next month; I will get my father-in-law introduced to you and your website as
>soon as he returns to the midwest (he winters in Florida). I believe he can add
>some stories and be a possible resource on Teletype product. He worked in many
>departments at Teletype during his career, including:
>
> >Engineering of Manufacturing - designing & building test sets
> >He worked with their sheet metal supplier in the supply and design of parts
>and product cabinetry
> >Various R&D assignments
> >And also made many trips to their manufacturing site in Little Rock (in
>addition to his time at the Wrightwood, and Skokie facilities)
>
> >Worked on a number of special customer projects, including product designed
>for Holiday Inn and American Airlines accounts
>
>
> As for my wife and the Model 37 photo:
> Her maiden name was Karen Delahunty, now Karen Koht
> I also have somewhere in my personal photo collection, a full 8x10 advertising
>"proof photo" of her operating a different Teletype unit. Whenever I find that
>one I will email you a copy.
>
> I just subscribed to the green-keys email list, I used my personal email
>account, cuzed2 at gmail.com
> (and I am already a member of the Yahoo ex-teletype mail list)
>
> Looking Forward to more communications!
> Best Regards,
> Craig Koht
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
> > Date: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:43 pm
> > To: <gil at baudot.net>
> >
> >
> > Hello Gil,
> >
> > I am a former Teletype employee and I believe I can help identify a little
> > bit more info about the photo and Teletype model 37 you show below.
> >
> > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M37.htm
> >
> > I worked there from 77 - 80, and my wife worked there in the early 70s and
> > again from 76 to 85. I believe the photo below was taken in 76 or 77, and
> > the lady at the keyboard is indeed my wife J. This model 37 was not a
> > common model and would have been one of the very last electromechanical
> > models produced by Teletype.
> >
> > This would have been quickly replaced by their model 40 (solid state product
> > series). Beginning with the model 40, the "brains" of the newer machines
> > consisted of chipsets that were custom designed and produced in-house in
> > Skokie Illinois. The last popular model produced in any significant
> > quantity would have been the model 43 series.
> >
> > I can also put you in touch with father in-law; who worked there for 40+
> > years, and should be a good source of info as well.
> >
> > Regards - Craig Koht
> >
> > (630) 858-5372
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:22:53 -0700
From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
To: gil at baudot.net
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
<AANLkTimtpybyT4KX-g8kTGg8E7C25ZPPjNCTL6KxiaeE at mail.gmail.com>
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And for a good 10 years I carried a credit card size ASCII chart with
that picture of her (and the 37) on one side .. !
-pete
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM, <gil at baudot.net> wrote:
> Hi folks:
>
> I'd like to introduce Craig Koht as a new member to the list; ?a former
> Teletype employee along with his wife and father-in-law -- his wife
> Karen is the pretty lady in the Model 37 marketing pic:
>
> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/pics/M37-KSR-1.jpg
>
> Welcome Craig!
>
> gil
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: RE: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
>> From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
>> Date: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:41 am
>> To: <gil at baudot.net>
>> Cc: "'Craig Koht'" <cuzed2 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Gil,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response!
>> My actual finished product knowledge from Teletype will be a bit superficial;
>>because during my time there I worked in the semiconductor lab evaluating sample
>>solid state devices (for possible purchase and use in Teletype product), and
>>also lending SEM/Failure Analysis support to Teletype's CMOS fabrication group.
>>
>> Next month; I will get my father-in-law introduced to you and your website as
>>soon as he returns to the midwest (he winters in Florida). ?I believe he can add
>>some stories and be a possible resource on Teletype product. ?He worked in many
>>departments at Teletype during his career, including:
>>
>> >Engineering of Manufacturing - designing & building test sets
>> >He worked with their sheet metal supplier in the supply and design of parts
>>and product cabinetry
>> >Various R&D assignments
>> >And also made many trips to their manufacturing site in Little Rock (in
>>addition to his time at the Wrightwood, and Skokie facilities)
>> >Worked on a number of special customer projects, including product designed
>>for Holiday Inn and American Airlines accounts
>>
>> As for my wife and the Model 37 photo:
>> Her maiden name was Karen Delahunty, now Karen Koht
>> I also have somewhere in my personal photo collection, a full 8x10 advertising
>>"proof photo" of her operating a different Teletype unit. ?Whenever I find that
>>one I will email you a copy.
>>
>> I just subscribed to the green-keys email list, I used my personal email
>>account, cuzed2 at gmail.com
>> (and I am already a member of the Yahoo ex-teletype mail list)
>>
>> Looking Forward to more communications!
>> Best Regards,
>> Craig Koht
>
>
>>
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
>> > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
>> > Date: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:43 pm
>> > To: <gil at baudot.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Gil,
>> >
>> > I am a former Teletype employee and I believe I can help identify a little
>> > bit more info about the photo and Teletype model 37 you show below.
>> >
>> > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M37.htm
>> >
>> > I worked there from 77 - 80, and my wife worked there in the early 70s and
>> > again from 76 to 85. ?I believe the photo below was taken in 76 ?or 77,
?and
>> > the lady at the keyboard is indeed my wife ?J. ?This model 37 was not a
>> > common model and would have been one of the very last electromechanical
>> > models produced by Teletype.
>> >
>> > This would have been quickly replaced by their model 40 (solid state
product
>> > series). ?Beginning with the model 40, the "brains" of the newer machines
>> > consisted of chipsets that were custom designed and produced in-house in
>> > Skokie Illinois. ?The last popular model produced in any significant
>> > quantity would have been the model 43 series.
>> >
>> > I can also put you in touch with father in-law; who worked there for 40+
>> > years, and should be a good source of info as well.
>> >
>> > Regards - Craig Koht
>> >
>> > (630) 858-5372
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:56:17 -0500
From: Don Robert House <Packard42 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 242 (?)
To: Ken Gartland <trnsrme at bellaliant.net>
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <2BF02739-43C4-487B-8CF6-465C7058EB3B at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed;
delsp=yes
Hi Ken,
Yes, The model 242 was submitted by TTY Corp for use in U.S. Navy P2V
Neptune aircraft. Approximately 50 plus machines were built.
The two I had are still at the museum in storage among hundreds of
other interesting equipment items at the San Diego State University
Library.
I bought the two machines from an eBay seller back in 1999-2000
timeframe from a surplus guy in Jacksonville, Florida.
As I recall I paid $25. plus shipping for the two. The manual was
interesting as it was an original typewritten copy with 8 x 10 glossy
photos.
As George mentioned the machine resembled the later production M32 and
M33 as far as the platen, typewheel and ribbon mechanism.
Also interesting was the reuse of certain model 28 components such as
the carriage return dashpot.
When I served in VP-16 at NAS JAX we had the MITE on our P2V5s and
also on our P3A Orions. George and I believe the 242 failed to
meet the Navy's requirements due to the primitive gearing which was an
arrangement with three directly interfaced gears.
Any friction or binding in the machines mechanism would cause the
gears to strip teeth.
After the trial TTY Corp presumably saw the design error and came up
with the belt drive and clutching mechanism we are familiar with since
1963.
I will send you a couple of poor images of the 242 that I still have
on my computer somewhere here, if I can find them.
Best regards,
Don K9TTY
Curator Emeritus NADCOMM
On 28 Mar 2011, at 8:40 AM, Ken Gartland wrote:
Hi all GK?ers...
A few days ago, George Hutchinson in one of his great posts, described
a Teletype Corp?n.
Model 242, which was to compete with the Mite teleprinter...I have
been familiar over the
years with just abt everything TTY Corp?n built, but this one escapes
me!
I wud like to hear more abt this particular machine...Apparently Don,
had one or more of these machines.
I did hear some yrs ago, TTY designed a printer (Similar to the M32?),
for the US Miltitary...Was this the same
one?
Thank you for any info you guys can share with me re: this mysterious
printer.
Cheers!
Ken L. Gartland
VE3-HMQ
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:02:33 -0500
From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Metal Tables & Perforators Documentation
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <649BF7F1-F742-49F2-972D-15E856AD4617 at dls.net>
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I am in the process of scanning the Teletype Corp bulletin for all of
their metal tables circa 1953.
Also the bulletin for the Perforators both the Black and Green models.
If these PDFs are not too large I will send them to my NADCOMM list.
Most of you are on that list.
I will send another message when I have completed making the files.
73,
Don K9TTY
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:42:35 -0400
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 242 (?)
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D93EA1B.3060304 at earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Don,
I would like to see a picture, too!
"Model 242" seemed like a very high number; I was about to ask if you
meant "TT-242" since it was a military unit. But I did a little
research and found a document that states:
"1961 - The Model TT-242 is rejected by the Navy in favor of the MITE
compact Teleprinter.
The TT-242 becomes the basis for the Model 32 and 33. The M32/33
represented the marriage of
many proven designs into a totally new design, best described by the
term "low-cost concept."
Approximately 6 years of research and development went into the Models
242, 32, and 33. Also,
the 8-level Model 35 is derived from the 5-level M28."
(the document is "A Synopsis of Teletype Corporation History" by Don
Robert House, as found on Baudot.net)
Have fun,
Duncan
On 30-Mar-11 21:56, Don Robert House wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Yes, The model 242 was submitted by TTY Corp for use in U.S. Navy P2V
> Neptune aircraft. Approximately 50 plus machines were built.
> The two I had are still at the museum in storage among hundreds of
> other interesting equipment items at the San Diego State University
> Library.
> I bought the two machines from an eBay seller back in 1999-2000
> timeframe from a surplus guy in Jacksonville, Florida.
> As I recall I paid $25. plus shipping for the two. The manual was
> interesting as it was an original typewritten copy with 8 x 10 glossy
> photos.
> As George mentioned the machine resembled the later production M32 and
> M33 as far as the platen, typewheel and ribbon mechanism.
> Also interesting was the reuse of certain model 28 components such as
> the carriage return dashpot.
> When I served in VP-16 at NAS JAX we had the MITE on our P2V5s and
> also on our P3A Orions. George and I believe the 242 failed to
> meet the Navy's requirements due to the primitive gearing which was an
> arrangement with three directly interfaced gears.
> Any friction or binding in the machines mechanism would cause the
> gears to strip teeth.
> After the trial TTY Corp presumably saw the design error and came up
> with the belt drive and clutching mechanism we are familiar with since
> 1963.
>
> I will send you a couple of poor images of the 242 that I still have
> on my computer somewhere here, if I can find them.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Don K9TTY
> Curator Emeritus NADCOMM
>
>
> On 28 Mar 2011, at 8:40 AM, Ken Gartland wrote:
>
> Hi all GK?ers...
>
> A few days ago, George Hutchinson in one of his great posts, described
> a Teletype Corp?n.
> Model 242, which was to compete with the Mite teleprinter...I have
> been familiar over the
> years with just abt everything TTY Corp?n built, but this one escapes
> me!
>
> I wud like to hear more abt this particular machine...Apparently Don,
> had one or more of these machines.
>
> I did hear some yrs ago, TTY designed a printer (Similar to the M32?),
> for the US Miltitary...Was this the same
> one?
>
> Thank you for any info you guys can share with me re: this mysterious
> printer.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Ken L. Gartland
> VE3-HMQ
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:05:52 -0400
From: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
(Boulder/Denver)
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D93EF90.8080709 at horne.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I've traded emails with a guy in the Boulder/Denver area who is looking
to get a machine for use in a stage play. He's looking for something
like a Model 15RO, preferably labeled for AP use.
Please call Rhett directly if you can help.
73,
Bill, W1AC
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: R Snyder <heinrichthedog at yahoo.com>
To: bill at horne.net
Hi Bill, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It turns out, what
we are looking for is an AP style teletype such as an Associated Press
model 15 or 20 or the like. Thanks much, feel free to call if you need
970-948-6636.
Thanks again!
Rhett
------------------------------------------------------------------------
**
--
"I woke last night to the sound of thunder
'How far off?' I sat and wondered
Started humming a song from 1962
Ain't it funny how the night moves ..."
- Bob Seger
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:38:29 -0700
From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
(Boulder/Denver)
To: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
<AANLkTi==KTJShUW+x4K=w-ffHwThkwUUpq3iCFCFXBf6 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
please scan the archives about loaning equipment to such endeavors.
also check boatanchors as well
there is a better then 50% chance the owner of the equipment will be
very very sorry he did it.
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Bill Horne <bill at horne.net> wrote:
> I've traded emails with a guy in the Boulder/Denver area who is looking to
> get a machine for use in a stage play. He's looking for something like a
> Model 15RO, preferably labeled for AP use.
>
> Please call Rhett directly if you can help.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill, W1AC
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: ? ? ? ?Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> Date: ? Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ? R Snyder <heinrichthedog at yahoo.com>
> To: ? ? bill at horne.net
>
>
>
> Hi Bill, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It turns out, what we
> are looking for is an AP style teletype such as an Associated Press model 15
> or 20 or the like. Thanks much, feel free to call if you need 970-948-6636.
> Thanks again!
> Rhett
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **
>
>
> --
> "I woke last night to the sound of thunder
> ?'How far off?' I sat and wondered
> ?Started humming a song from 1962
> ?Ain't it funny how the night moves ..."
> ? ? ? ? ? ?- Bob Seger
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:43:17 -0400
From: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
(Boulder/Denver)
To: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4D943EA5.2010400 at horne.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On 3/31/2011 1:38 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
> please scan the archives about loaning equipment to such endeavors.
>
> also check boatanchors as well
>
> there is a better then 50% chance the owner of the equipment will be
> very very sorry he did it.
Sorry to hear it.
Given the past history, I'd advise that anyone who is interested just
say "Cash on the barrelhead" and name a price that would cover all
contingencies.
W1AC
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