[GreenKeys] period HF receivers

NNN7DXB at aol.com NNN7DXB at aol.com
Wed May 10 02:14:04 EDT 2017


Group:
 
While the subjects of Industrial Designers Henry Dreyfuss and Raymond  Lowey
came up, they are best known for their railroad locomotive and streamlined  
passenger
trains work in the 30s and 40s, including not only design, but styling and  
decor as well.
This decor not only included the outsides of the equipment, but the  
internal arrangements
and appointments as well. 
 
The 1930s were a period of extreme futuristic design that manifested itself 
 in what 
became known as the "Art Deco" style, some of which still exists today. The 
 Art Deco
later gave way to the "Moderne" style.
 
The previous writer mentioned the Pennsylvania Railroads GG-1 electric  
locomotives
which were built in the mid-1930s and lasted thru 1985, well over 50 years, 
 with none
ever being scrapped until retirement (and now, about a dozen are  
preserved). This
engine was a Lowey design. Dreyfuss is credited with the New York Central  
RRs
streamlined Hudson steam locomotives which hauled the premier train  called
the "20th Century Limited" (no streamlined Hudson locomotives are  
preserved).
A "Hudson" steam loco has a 4-6-4 wheel arrangement and these engines  were
designed for high speed passenger service (80 mph+ sustained, faster  than 
most
Amtrak trains travel today!).
 
Pictures of both the GG-1 and Hudson loco types are attached for those  who
are not aware of what they look like, or who may be interested to see  them.
This assumes the pictures make it thru the group as I don't know what  kind
of filters the group imposes.....
 
While this is a bit off of the usual Greenkeys teletype topic, it should be 
 noted
that the railroads, especially the Pennsylvania, which was the nations  
largest
railroad at the time, were heavy, heavy users of teletype equipment.  
Teletype gear
was used for everything from reservations for coach seats, sleeping car  
arrangements,
car placing in yards, to freight train manifests, to include what was in  
each car in 
a freight train (done by computers today), as well as where each car was to 
 be
picked up and set out, yarded, etc. To give some idea of how large the  
Pennsylvania
Railroad was, they ran 1000+ trains a day in the US in their heyday...with  
about 
700 of them being passenger trains in the North East, Mid West, Atlantic  
states
and parts of the south (By comparison, Amtrak runs less than 150 passenger  
trains
nationwide today!)..
 
Most of the Pennsylvania RRs teletype gear belonged to the Model 15 and  
Model 19
family which were industrial workhorses at the time (and both Dreyfuss and  
Lowey
missed out on streamlining those beautiful, noisy beasts!).
 
Aside from being a teletype and communications enthusiast, I am also a  
train
enthusiast and model railroader. My 25+ years in the Army were in  
Communications
Centers, which, for many years, were all teletype networks which themselves 
 were
the worldwide backbone of the military's messaging system (the "tape relay" 
 networks,
and later AUTODIN network). "Tape Relay" was the military's "Western Union" 
 system...
but with a thousand percent more traffic volume than WU....
 
Dave
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In a message dated 5/9/2017 6:30:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com writes:

Another  designer of interest is John  Vassos who did a lot of work for 
RCA. His designs were certainly inspired by  Art Deco and Streamline Moderne.   
I don't know if he did any  railroad work.  Dreyfuss designed the barrel 
bodied "Hudson" locomotives  for the New York Central and Loewy designed the 
famous Pennsylvania Railroad  GG-1 although there is some controversy about 
whether another designer had a  finger  in that pie. Dreyfuss designs were 
the closest to "form follows  function" and I think have lasted longer.  This 
whole subject is one of  great fascination to me.  So many people fail to 
see the artistic value  in it but I think it is often very great. 


-----Original  Message----- 
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com 
Sent: May 9, 2017 2:24 PM 
To:  1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re:  [GreenKeys] period HF receivers 

Most of the Dreyfuss and Loewy designs were 1930s and "art deco".
 
While I don't know much about their radio and electronic names, I am  very
familiar with both industrial designers names from the railroad world.  
They were
the ones who designed many of the early streamlined passenger trains  during
the 30s and 40s. Not only the trains themselves, but also the styling,  art 
work,
painting and letterng. They may have also influenced automobile designs  as
well for GM.
 
Dave
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In a message dated 5/9/2017 4:41:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com writes:

       I think  the SX-42 and other Hallicrafters radios of the time were  
Raymond Loewy designs.  Henry Dreyfuss designed many items for  Western 
Electric including the familiar type 300 and 500 telephones. I  think (but am 
not sure) he designed the cabinets for WE broadcast  transmitters.  I thought 
for a long time that either Dreyfuss or  Loewy designed the famous WE 639 
microphone but it turns out to have been  Robert Marshall of WE, I found the 
design patent.  I have always  found industrial design fascinating.  


-----Original  Message----- 
From: Pete Lancashire  
Sent: May 9, 2017 12:21 PM 
To: Richard  Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> 
Cc: greenkeys  
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] period HF  receivers 

Have not done it yet but I'm going to put one of the  Teletypes in the 
living room. A TU and a HF receiver, something like  the Hallicrafters SX-42  
with its industrial design by Henry Dreyfus since it is the living room.   


Since there is pretty much zip on HF now days, build a little mW  
transmitter and FSK it from something off the internet.


-pete






On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richard Knoppow  
<_1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com_ (mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com) > wrote:

I have a kit for my R-388 but have never had time to install it.  They have 
an excellent reputation.  My receiver has the PD and  AVC mods that were 
earlier. The PD works OK but  the AVC is  awful.
I want to ask the fellow who designed the  Treetop circuit about some sort 
of noise limiter that would be  suitable for use with it.

On 5/8/2017  12:28 PM, Jeffrey D Angus wrote:

On  5/8/2017 2:14 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:

Also  do not forget the Collins 51J series, these are very  fine
receivers. The 51J-4 has mechanical filters in it so is  considerably
more expensive than the earlier versions but the  earlier ones can
be used with an external SSB or RTTY adaptor  which will supply
the selectivity.

I have a  51J-3. What makes the difference is have the product
detector kit  installed from Tree Top Circuits.
<_http://www.ebay.com/itm/22249http://_ 
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/222493257886) >
They  also have the kit for the R-390/390A
<_http://www.ebay.com/itm/22249http://_ 
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/222493260192) >







--  
Richard  Knoppow
_1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com_ (mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com) 
WB6KBL  
 

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