From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Sun Mar  1 03:37:56 2020
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 09:37:56 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR, Even more questions.
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Typewriter ribbons in Germany (maybe also other European countries) are
standardized
in "Group numbers" in German "Gruppe".
The needed ribbons for Teletype 33s are "Gruppe 26" ribbons:
https://www.typenrad-24.de/Farbbaender/Farbbaender-nach-Gruppen/Farbband-Gruppe-26:::27518_27519_33337.html
But if you kept the old spools you can easily also wind any 13mm wide
ribbon on them.
But don't forget to put a lug at each end of the ribbon.

Henning DF3OE
i-Telex: 925302

www.i-telex.net



Am Sa., 29. Feb. 2020 um 20:19 Uhr schrieb <tomas at tlec.se>:

> Finding a ribbbon for it is not that easy hare in Sweden.
>
> Does anybody have a PELIKAN part number for it, Pelikan seems to be the
> only available brand here.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 08:34:52 2020
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 07:34:52 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hinged cover for ASR-33
References: <1FF0C016-E012-4CA2-991B-C92D302F2CF4.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1FF0C016-E012-4CA2-991B-C92D302F2CF4@yahoo.com>

I?m looking to buy the hinged cover for the print/paper area of an ASR-33 Teletype. Any leads, please let me know. Thanks!

Mike




From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Sun Mar  1 10:06:04 2020
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 10:06:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hinged cover for ASR-33
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From tomas at tlec.se  Sun Mar  1 11:03:08 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 17:03:08 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR, success or not?
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Powered up the TTY today.

Motor started to spinning, but only if I was holding one of the strange
extra buttons down, the other one seems to pull a relay on the motor control
board, arcing heavily in the relay..

 

Now when the motor was spinning, it started to print by itself, one full
line, no CR, but just sat at the end of line still printing.

Obviously something is wrong, I guess.

 

I dont think the schematic I got over the Teledynamics circuit are entirely
correct, there seems to be other mods as well.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 12:54:31 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:54:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wanted - 28ASR Navy to Teletype Cross Reference
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfatB75JSW-HyBGnB5zzdUcQo=o1EHYUVcrJVD6JT+wzQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for 573-101-000TC - It is a listing of US Navy ASR sets that
cross references the Teletype components and includes a listing of the
correct Wiring Diagrams. It should be included in 312B Vol 1.
My copy of 312B has the intro page for 573-101-000 that says the ASR Cross
Reference is attached - but it isn't......

It is probably a chart like this one for KSR and RO machines
http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-100-000-6705.pdf

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From robert.h.goff at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 15:09:46 2020
From: robert.h.goff at gmail.com (Robert Goff)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:09:46 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 12 in Oregon
Message-ID: <CAF6Vb57_85AkqVVh-Nx72ojg974LPEsetPwWdoaWBXkzAjiMvw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Nick for pointing out this auction!

I made the e-bay seller an offer (which he declined), but from the
correspondence it sounds like he's looking for about $500 or so for
the Model 12. So, a little more reasonable than $1727.

It's sounds like he would store it for a while for any of you further
away - to give time to arrange transport.

Item no. 254524031893 for the curious.

73,
de Robert W7MKA

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 16:39:11 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 16:39:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] wanted - 28ASR Navy to Teletype Cross Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfatB75JSW-HyBGnB5zzdUcQo=o1EHYUVcrJVD6JT+wzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Got it from Jerry Murphy - thanks!
I'm compiling a page of all the M28 Navy/Teletype cross references. Will
post a link when I'm done.
Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:54 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am looking for 573-101-000TC - It is a listing of US Navy ASR sets that
> cross references the Teletype components and includes a listing of the
> correct Wiring Diagrams. It should be included in 312B Vol 1.
> My copy of 312B has the intro page for 573-101-000 that says the ASR Cross
> Reference is attached - but it isn't......
>
> It is probably a chart like this one for KSR and RO machines
> http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-100-000-6705.pdf
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 17:05:55 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 17:05:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] US Navy to Teletype Cross References
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcoFSqi=HBNYWFWtV64DHqu6DLQXrUVx87pRtk_=ja49Q@mail.gmail.com>

Here's all the Model 28 info - I'll list more as I come across it
http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals-ttycorp.htm#cross

Corrections, Additions, etc are welcome!

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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Mon Mar  2 09:35:33 2020
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:35:33 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Removing Keyboard cover on model 33
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On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:14 AM, <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> As far as I understand it, it can be dangerous to remove the keyboarddcover, if not done correctly.

Removing the cover is easy, putting it back can be very difficult.  The single hardest problems revolve around the repeat key.  See photos here:

https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2015a.shtml#2015-01-23
https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2015a.shtml#2015-01-29
https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2015a.shtml#2015-02-02
https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2015b.shtml#2015-03-30
https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2015b.shtml#2015-04-02

From wcwuttke at att.net  Mon Mar  2 17:04:37 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:04:37 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
References: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674@att.net>

In case anyone might be interested:

Just for fun I downloaded the RBN logs for Feb 29 and Mar 1, created a database and did some queries. Here are some statistics for that period (if my queries were correct):

1. There were 129,730 RTTY entries (includes duplicates).
2. There were 32 RTTY skimmers worldwide online, with 19 in North America.
3. There were 1383 individual RTTY callsigns heard worldwide, with 1307 heard in North America.
4. My skimmer heard 105 individual RTTY callsigns.

73,
Bill
KE3BK



From tomas at tlec.se  Mon Mar  2 17:27:23 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 23:27:23 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR (Teleprinter Version (European)) Strange
	circuit boards and switches.
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGE4UvMgtwJIpJJKF65P6VPCgAAAEAAAACCZx0y77shJtBR+R8KioeABAAAAAA==@tlec.se>

Trying to get my heads around how it is wired.

I got a german schematic from one here in the group, showing the Teleprinter
made modifications.

Now it is about 90 % the same, however there is som differences.

The Line/Local mode switch has only two modes, Line and Local. But it has 7
different switch segements instead of the 4 shown in the schematic.

THere is two buttoms with internal light on the face-plate, however the are
not dubble throw, as one would expected, they are marked with te facia text
"Auto/Man" and "Leser/Schrittt".

The Connector J1 (assume it is the serial connection) has 7 connections, one
going to a PCB with unknoown functions called BS292

The BS 292 has three components one diode, one 220 ohms resistor and a white
rectangular box with unknown function (4 Connections).

The board is bolted at the base between the BS 270 and the BS263 headers 

BS 292 is wired up with 4 wires,

Connection named 11+ goes to J1:3

Connection named 13 goes to two grey wires to the board BS263:12  (motor
Board and the other boards as well)

The connection named 14-18 goes to connector J6:14

 

Furthermore J4:8 and5 are linked 

J4:6 is not connected as well as J4:14 and J4:5

 

On the schematic there is something called SFK 26R, havent got a clue what
it si, connected between J7:11 and J8:1

The BS 230 board (Selector Magnet amplifier) is not the same as on the
drawing R11 is missing, and replaced by a link.

The BS272 board on the drawing is actually BS270 only 2 resistors one cap, 2
diodes and 2 fuses

 

So, can anyone share som light over this?

I havent had any time yet to actuallay reverse engineer all connections,
this is, I thingk the largest differences, I will however do a full reverse
and do a schematic.

But, still what are the two extra switches for, and what is that extra
circuit board

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Tue Mar  3 09:43:58 2020
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 14:43:58 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
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What is an RBN? What is a skimmer? Sorry if I'm the only one who doesn't know these terms. thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of William Wuttke
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:05 PM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics

In case anyone might be interested:

Just for fun I downloaded the RBN logs for Feb 29 and Mar 1, created a database and did some queries. Here are some statistics for that period (if my queries were correct):

1. There were 129,730 RTTY entries (includes duplicates).
2. There were 32 RTTY skimmers worldwide online, with 19 in North America.
3. There were 1383 individual RTTY callsigns heard worldwide, with 1307 heard in North America.
4. My skimmer heard 105 individual RTTY callsigns.

73,
Bill
KE3BK


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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  3 10:15:54 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 10:15:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
In-Reply-To: <5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674.ref@att.net>
	<87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674@att.net>
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Message-ID: <f628d1cc-9ea0-e4de-a32d-f0ce8d1e447d@earthlink.net>

Bill,

I don't know what an "RBN"? is either.

I know what a "skimmer" is, but where do we find the RTTY skimmers?

Thanks & have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 03-Mar-20 09:43, W2HX wrote:
> What is an RBN? What is a skimmer? Sorry if I'm the only one who doesn't know these terms. thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of William Wuttke
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
>
> In case anyone might be interested:
>
> Just for fun I downloaded the RBN logs for Feb 29 and Mar 1, created a database and did some queries. Here are some statistics for that period (if my queries were correct):
>
> 1. There were 129,730 RTTY entries (includes duplicates).
> 2. There were 32 RTTY skimmers worldwide online, with 19 in North America.
> 3. There were 1383 individual RTTY callsigns heard worldwide, with 1307 heard in North America.
> 4. My skimmer heard 105 individual RTTY callsigns.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
>
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Tue Mar  3 11:38:41 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:38:41 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
In-Reply-To: <5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674.ref@att.net>
	<87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674@att.net>
	<5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <91E55EBE-6277-4EDC-B183-BC11B2CFF093@att.net>

All,

The ?RBN? is the ?Reverse Beacon Network? (http://www.reversebeacon.net). On their welcome page they say:

The Reverse Beacon Network is a revolutionary new idea. Instead of beacons actively transmitting signals, the RBN is a network of stations listening to the bands and reporting what stations they hear, when and how well.

It is comprised of a loose network of hams who have skimmers set up at their location. A skimmer is a program running on a PC connected to a Software Defined Radio (SDR) that is connected to a wideband antenna. The skimmer program (either CW skimmer or RTTY skimmer) listens to an entire band segment (or multiple segments) for traffic and through another program (Aggregator) reports the results to the RBN server. There is only one place you can get skimmer servers: http://www.dxatlas.com/SkimServer. There is a good presentation at:

https://www.contestuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/4.-N6TV-CW-and-RTTY-Skimmers-and-the-Reverse-Beacon-Network.pdf

I started using the RBN two years ago when I discovered it and with it I can send a couple of CQs on my teletype (or RTTY program) and look at the RBN main page to see who has heard me. I can set up a filter to show only RTTY signals on specific bands and other criteria. This told me that my RTTY signal was propagating well to stations in the northeast and northwest. There aren?t a lot of RTTY skimmers out there, but you can get an idea of who can hear you.

The only time you see more than a couple of RTTY signals each day is during a contest.

Hope this helps. Visit the Reverse Beacon Network website and look around.

73,
Bill
KE3BK


> On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:15 AM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I don't know what an "RBN"  is either.
> 
> I know what a "skimmer" is, but where do we find the RTTY skimmers?
> 
> Thanks & have fun,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 6:43 AM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
> 
> What is an RBN? What is a skimmer? Sorry if I'm the only one who doesn't know these terms. thanks
> 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of William Wuttke
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
> 
> In case anyone might be interested:
> 
> Just for fun I downloaded the RBN logs for Feb 29 and Mar 1, created a database and did some queries. Here are some statistics for that period (if my queries were correct):
> 
> 1. There were 129,730 RTTY entries (includes duplicates).
> 2. There were 32 RTTY skimmers worldwide online, with 19 in North America.
> 3. There were 1383 individual RTTY callsigns heard worldwide, with 1307 heard in North America.
> 4. My skimmer heard 105 individual RTTY callsigns.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> KE3BK
> 
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Tue Mar  3 11:38:41 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:38:41 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
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References: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674.ref@att.net>
	<87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674@att.net>
	<5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <91E55EBE-6277-4EDC-B183-BC11B2CFF093@att.net>

All,

The ?RBN? is the ?Reverse Beacon Network? (http://www.reversebeacon.net). On their welcome page they say:

The Reverse Beacon Network is a revolutionary new idea. Instead of beacons actively transmitting signals, the RBN is a network of stations listening to the bands and reporting what stations they hear, when and how well.

It is comprised of a loose network of hams who have skimmers set up at their location. A skimmer is a program running on a PC connected to a Software Defined Radio (SDR) that is connected to a wideband antenna. The skimmer program (either CW skimmer or RTTY skimmer) listens to an entire band segment (or multiple segments) for traffic and through another program (Aggregator) reports the results to the RBN server. There is only one place you can get skimmer servers: http://www.dxatlas.com/SkimServer. There is a good presentation at:

https://www.contestuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/4.-N6TV-CW-and-RTTY-Skimmers-and-the-Reverse-Beacon-Network.pdf

I started using the RBN two years ago when I discovered it and with it I can send a couple of CQs on my teletype (or RTTY program) and look at the RBN main page to see who has heard me. I can set up a filter to show only RTTY signals on specific bands and other criteria. This told me that my RTTY signal was propagating well to stations in the northeast and northwest. There aren?t a lot of RTTY skimmers out there, but you can get an idea of who can hear you.

The only time you see more than a couple of RTTY signals each day is during a contest.

Hope this helps. Visit the Reverse Beacon Network website and look around.

73,
Bill
KE3BK


> On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:15 AM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I don't know what an "RBN"  is either.
> 
> I know what a "skimmer" is, but where do we find the RTTY skimmers?
> 
> Thanks & have fun,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 6:43 AM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
> 
> What is an RBN? What is a skimmer? Sorry if I'm the only one who doesn't know these terms. thanks
> 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of William Wuttke
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
> 
> In case anyone might be interested:
> 
> Just for fun I downloaded the RBN logs for Feb 29 and Mar 1, created a database and did some queries. Here are some statistics for that period (if my queries were correct):
> 
> 1. There were 129,730 RTTY entries (includes duplicates).
> 2. There were 32 RTTY skimmers worldwide online, with 19 in North America.
> 3. There were 1383 individual RTTY callsigns heard worldwide, with 1307 heard in North America.
> 4. My skimmer heard 105 individual RTTY callsigns.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> KE3BK
> 
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From k1lky68 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 11:39:44 2020
From: k1lky68 at gmail.com (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:39:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
In-Reply-To: <f628d1cc-9ea0-e4de-a32d-f0ce8d1e447d@earthlink.net>
References: <f628d1cc-9ea0-e4de-a32d-f0ce8d1e447d@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0C21DD10-0C7E-4ECD-B806-ECC551A15EC6@gmail.com>

An RBN is a radio beacon. Historical air navigation system of low frequency beacons used by aircraft (and some ships in coastal waters) for navigation. Roughly in the 200 to 400 kc band (that is not accurate, from memory). There is a declining number of beacons still in operation. Also known as NDB non directional beacons. One subset of "short" wave listening SWL is logging NDB's and has it's own community, clubs, and on-line databases. 

There also is a system of beacons in the ham bands operated at licensed ham stations. Used to check propagation. Often transmit a series of signals of decreasing power. 

A skimmer is a computer operated receiver that scans (usually) the CW portions of our ham bands and digitally processes the signals discovered. The results are posted on websites for your discover. I think one such web site is
RBN.net or some such.  

I do not know of any skimmers that report teletype signals. If someone knows of any, please post information. 

Roy

Roy Morgan
K1LKY Western Mass

> On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Bill,
> 
> I don't know what an "RBN"  is either.
> 
> I know what a "skimmer" is, but where do we find the RTTY skimmers?
> 
> Thanks & have fun,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
>> On 03-Mar-20 09:43, W2HX wrote:
>> What is an RBN? What is a skimmer? Sorry if I'm the only one who doesn't know these terms. thanks
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of William Wuttke
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:05 PM
>> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
>> 
>> In case anyone might be interested:
>> 
>> Just for fun I downloaded the RBN logs for Feb 29 and Mar 1, created a database and did some queries. Here are some statistics for that period (if my queries were correct):
>> 
>> 1. There were 129,730 RTTY entries (includes duplicates).
>> 2. There were 32 RTTY skimmers worldwide online, with 19 in North America.
>> 3. There were 1383 individual RTTY callsigns heard worldwide, with 1307 heard in North America.
>> 4. My skimmer heard 105 individual RTTY callsigns.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>> 
>> 
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From dave at horsfall.org  Tue Mar  3 14:45:30 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 06:45:30 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
In-Reply-To: <5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674.ref@att.net>
	<87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674@att.net>
	<5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003040641360.64345@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Tue, 3 Mar 2020, W2HX wrote:

> What is an RBN? What is a skimmer? Sorry if I'm the only one who doesn't 
> know these terms. thanks

The only RBN I know is the Russian Business Network (aka the Russian 
Mafia, and you don't mess with those dudes), and the only skimmers I know 
are generally found in ATM slots etc :-)

-- Dave

From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Tue Mar  3 14:58:38 2020
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:58:38 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003040641360.64345@aneurin.horsfall.org>
References: <87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674.ref@att.net>
	<87F43779-7B3E-4000-961E-025AB1026674@att.net>
	<5ab9285b60f54f97bee61d52a32fc146@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003040641360.64345@aneurin.horsfall.org>
Message-ID: <14f4a29eb30069f17c3cdbd93e18e24d.squirrel@mymail5.myregisteredsite.com>





	> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020, W2HX wrote:

	>

	>> What is an RBN?

	>>

	>


	Reverse Beacon Network? - http://www.reversebeacon.net/


	?


	I have never used it and don't really know much about it but I have a
cousin who uses it so I have heard about it from him.


	?


	73


	Kevin


	W5TTY

	?

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Mar  3 14:56:08 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:56:08 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY North American QSO Party - Some RBN statistics
Message-ID: <b9c5132febd883f198bce9daf923df23.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

The intersection of amateur radio and the Internet is interesting. There
are the various methods of linking repeaters, remote HF like
remotehamradio.com (which I'm using from an Amtrak train from California
to Denver), the web SDRs such as http://websdr.org and Kiwi SDR, the
reverse beacon network, etc. I have added RBN results to my web page at
http://w6iwi.org . You can see my CW activity there.

Great stuff!

Harold
http://w6iwi.org



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From gfmurphy at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  4 11:45:34 2020
From: gfmurphy at earthlink.net (Jerry Murphy)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 08:45:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in Livermore, Calif - FREE
Message-ID: <1087913223.3849.1583340334344@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


There is a free Model 15 KSR available on Craigslist in Livermore, Calif. 
Here is the link to the ad:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/d/livermore-model-15-teletype/7084132143.html

No connection to seller.

Jerry Murphy


From jeffg at junknet.net  Wed Mar  4 12:08:11 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:08:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in Livermore,
	Calif - FREE
In-Reply-To: <1087913223.3849.1583340334344@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1087913223.3849.1583340334344@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK6Wsf5B8UKWLQcVRHEP_RmxdnqKjje8mO_uNS3c2fw1cY_ag@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone has a similar model 15 taking up space on the other (East) Coast,
I'd be interested! I'm in the Philly area and willing to travel a lil
North/South if need be.

Jeff G KC3GJX

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:45 AM Jerry Murphy <gfmurphy at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> There is a free Model 15 KSR available on Craigslist in Livermore, Calif.
> Here is the link to the ad:
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/d/livermore-model-15-teletype/7084132143.html
>
> No connection to seller.
>
> Jerry Murphy
>
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From legalize at xmission.com  Wed Mar  4 16:05:39 2020
From: legalize at xmission.com (Richard)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:05:39 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Beehive Bit Bunker Teletyp Tryst successful!
Message-ID: <E1j9bD1-0007rz-QQ@shell.xmission.com>

Thanks to everyone local that showed up, it was a great mix of folks.

The following machines found new homes:
- Teletype Model 28
- Teletype Model 35
- 2 Flexowriters (SPD style models)

We managed to get my Model 28 printing, but the keyboard keys were
sticking preventing input.
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From billdeg at aol.com  Wed Mar  4 12:25:25 2020
From: billdeg at aol.com (B Degnan)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 17:25:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR 33 Weird Symptom
References: <568787625.4341348.1583342725156.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <568787625.4341348.1583342725156@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
First off, thank you, the "Cincinatti ASR 32" has been claimed.

Question - My ASR 33 started acting up lately.? I can turn it on and use if for a few minutes but after a while the machine starts making a terrible noise, not the normal chatter sound we are all familiar with.? I am unsure if the belt is seizing up, not catching on the motor or if the motor or the shaft it spins is the cause.? I need to spend some time to figure out what's going on, but I was curious if anyone was familiar with this symptom.? The next day if I power it on it'll work ok again for a few minutes.? I hate to leave it on while this is happening so I can't just leave it running as it sounds like it's hurting the machine making so much noise.
I don't think it's the large cap in the back left.Again, I have not spent much time to diagnose the cause, but I am curious if this symptom sounds familiar to some of the experts here in this group.? I'd like to limit experimenting while the machine is not functioning correctly.? Only making it worse.
I am located in Kennett Square, PA off RTE 1 between Philadelphia and Baltimore.

ThanksBill Degnanvintagecomputer.net
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 13:03:25 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 13:03:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] New 28ASR Manual on line
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeotPe1UMT1uJk346X42paGrxQ+XqSo-RKVeojfWv6USA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeotPe1UMT1uJk346X42paGrxQ+XqSo-RKVeojfWv6USA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNebnXaTiT5ZLYYbWwxUy997ptXxU=4nYgWPKYXvWgb1bA@mail.gmail.com>

I have added the Navy 1978 28 TD and Reperf (KTR, ROTR) manuals produced by
the same outfit.
http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals-tty.htm#79asr
These volumes are all 35-45 MB each.
There must have been a KSR/RO version too, but I don't have it.

I extracted the Wiring Diagrams which you can find at the top of my list at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tty-wd-list.htm

These manuals and wiring diagrams probably contain info on later
(low-level) Model 28 gear not found elsewhere.

Cheers
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:04 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a 1979 US Navy manual that covers all the Navy's high-level and
> low-level Model 28 ASR sets. It is in 3 volumes, each around 700 pages
> (about 50MB each). It was produced by Western Technical Associates based on
> Teletype manuals, so the organization is different and it may contain
> additional material.
> The links to the three volumes are at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals-tty.htm#79asr
>
> I extracted the wiring diagrams (and index based on Navy model number) to
> an additional file (10MB) at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/28ASR-schem-7901.pdf
> This contains some wiring diagrams that I haven't seen before.
> Unfortunately, the editors got rid of the Teletype WD numbers and used
> their own Figure numbers.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From js at teletype.net  Thu Mar  5 17:34:59 2020
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:34:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 KSR on Craigslist in Livermore,
	Calif - FREE
In-Reply-To: <1087913223.3849.1583340334344@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1087913223.3849.1583340334344@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <beaaad27-2aa1-476b-970e-2b7825a77a5f@www.fastmail.com>

You can't beat free, and what's more is that being in that wooden case has kept it fairly clean and safe from the natural buffetings 30 years' storage will do to a body.

I would snatch this up in a heartbeat if I was near there. If anyone wants to hold on to it for a while or maybe even consider working out shipping with me, I'm interested in your services.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Murphy wrote:
> 
> There is a free Model 15 KSR available on Craigslist in Livermore, Calif. 
> Here is the link to the ad:
> 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/d/livermore-model-15-teletype/7084132143.html
> 
> No connection to seller.
> 
> Jerry Murphy
> 
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  5 21:16:09 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 02:16:09 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Equipment available
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB49259B1E1A5686B61283A51FAFE30@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Ok guy's, my decision is final ???

Because of my ongoing and unsolvable internet problem here at the house, I am getting rid of my Siemens 37h including a Siemens TD and a 220VAC power supply. The iTelex system I used together with the Siemens for a very short while is also up for grabs.


The good, the bad and the ugly !!!

1. The good !!!

The 37h is in great and clean shape and sitting in a beautiful oak case I restored a couple of years ago. The sight glass was gone and replaced with new acrylic, the old sound insulation was replaced with new felt and a 12 inch long LED strip was installed under the cover. The TD is running accurate and very quiet. In order to get the Siemens running, I had to purchase a 220V power supply.
What I got in:
the machine was free
restoration project $100
new sound insulation $20
brand new power supply $150

The entire package is free for you !!!


2. The bad !!!

If you don't mind, I would like to get my investment back for the iTelex system and would like to ask $400.


3. The ugly !!!

The machine is big, heavy and bulky. She will not fit into a sedan's trunk or back seat. Pickup truck will work very well, a trailer with a low tailgate even better.

If you like to get an estimate for fright, please use my Georgia zip-code 30044. I am willing to help and find a big pallet and build a crate around the machine.
I am also willing to travel (I do have a heavy duty trailer) a few hundred miles for some gas money.


Attached are 5 pics.


And here is the very ugly: if I can't find a new home for the teletype machine - well, I hate to do it and can't say it here but I'm pretty sure you can imagine ..... because of my age and my condition, I am in cleanup mode.

Nick  -  N0NCQ
?   creativegardening at hotmail.com
??   678-467-2380   (text only please)



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From daveouwerkerk at aol.com  Thu Mar  5 23:19:47 2020
From: daveouwerkerk at aol.com (daveouwerkerk at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 20:19:47 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 33 ASR - Need Chad Box
References: <00fd01d5f36e$79c8c2d0$6d5a4870$.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01d5f36e$79c8c2d0$6d5a4870$@aol.com>

     I am in the process of restoring a Teletype Model 33 ASR (S/N 49).
Missing a Chad Box and looking for a P/N 182965 - Plastic or P/N 182924 -
Metal Chad Box.  I have seen the CAD to 3-D Print one but looking for
something original (if possible).  I know they are rare and probably hard to
part with if you have one.  Be advised it would be going to a good home.
Please contact me if option available.  Thanks very much.

 

Have a nice day!

David Ouwerkerk - N6DBO

23323 Iris Ave

Torrance, CA  90505

E-Mail: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com

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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 05:28:35 2020
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 05:28:35 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Equipment available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB49259B1E1A5686B61283A51FAFE30@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB49259B1E1A5686B61283A51FAFE30@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6D72728E-4A37-47DC-95BA-8345FE016DEC@gmail.com>

I'm seen and used Nick's equipment, plus witnessed his restoration work, so let me tell you, you have a deal in this equipment.  I've even tried helping him with his Internet connection issues, but Murphy seems to come back for a visit every time we think we have it working.

I wish I had room for it myself, but I preparing to go into cleanup mode myself, so stay tuned.  Just about every thing I'm going to get rid of will be for the taking.

Steve G./N4TTY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 5, 2020, at 9:16 PM, Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok guy's, my decision is final ???
> 
> Because of my ongoing and unsolvable internet problem here at the house, I am getting rid of my Siemens 37h including a Siemens TD and a 220VAC power supply. The iTelex system I used together with the Siemens for a very short while is also up for grabs.
> 
> 
> The good, the bad and the ugly !!!
> 
> 1. The good !!!
> 
> The 37h is in great and clean shape and sitting in a beautiful oak case I restored a couple of years ago. The sight glass was gone and replaced with new acrylic, the old sound insulation was replaced with new felt and a 12 inch long LED strip was installed under the cover. The TD is running accurate and very quiet. In order to get the Siemens running, I had to purchase a 220V power supply.
> What I got in:
> the machine was free
> restoration project $100
> new sound insulation $20
> brand new power supply $150
> 
> The entire package is free for you !!!
> 
> 
> 2. The bad !!!
> 
> If you don't mind, I would like to get my investment back for the iTelex system and would like to ask $400.
> 
> 
> 3. The ugly !!!
> 
> The machine is big, heavy and bulky. She will not fit into a sedan's trunk or back seat. Pickup truck will work very well, a trailer with a low tailgate even better.
> 
> If you like to get an estimate for fright, please use my Georgia zip-code 30044. I am willing to help and find a big pallet and build a crate around the machine.
> I am also willing to travel (I do have a heavy duty trailer) a few hundred miles for some gas money. 
> 
> 
> Attached are 5 pics.
> 
> 
> And here is the very ugly: if I can't find a new home for the teletype machine - well, I hate to do it and can't say it here but I'm pretty sure you can imagine ..... because of my age and my condition, I am in cleanup mode. 
> 
> Nick  -  N0NCQ 
> ?   creativegardening at hotmail.com 
> ??   678-467-2380   (text only please) 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Mar  6 11:57:55 2020
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:57:55 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Equipment available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB49259B1E1A5686B61283A51FAFE30@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB49259B1E1A5686B61283A51FAFE30@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <89159179be894c8f9dd0cdbabb852eed@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Damn, that?s a beautiful thing.

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 9:16 PM
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Equipment available

Ok guy's, my decision is final ???

Because of my ongoing and unsolvable internet problem here at the house, I am getting rid of my Siemens 37h including a Siemens TD and a 220VAC power supply. The iTelex system I used together with the Siemens for a very short while is also up for grabs.


The good, the bad and the ugly !!!

1. The good !!!

The 37h is in great and clean shape and sitting in a beautiful oak case I restored a couple of years ago. The sight glass was gone and replaced with new acrylic, the old sound insulation was replaced with new felt and a 12 inch long LED strip was installed under the cover. The TD is running accurate and very quiet. In order to get the Siemens running, I had to purchase a 220V power supply.
What I got in:
the machine was free
restoration project $100
new sound insulation $20
brand new power supply $150

The entire package is free for you !!!


2. The bad !!!

If you don't mind, I would like to get my investment back for the iTelex system and would like to ask $400.


3. The ugly !!!

The machine is big, heavy and bulky. She will not fit into a sedan's trunk or back seat. Pickup truck will work very well, a trailer with a low tailgate even better.

If you like to get an estimate for fright, please use my Georgia zip-code 30044. I am willing to help and find a big pallet and build a crate around the machine.
I am also willing to travel (I do have a heavy duty trailer) a few hundred miles for some gas money.


Attached are 5 pics.


And here is the very ugly: if I can't find a new home for the teletype machine - well, I hate to do it and can't say it here but I'm pretty sure you can imagine ..... because of my age and my condition, I am in cleanup mode.

Nick  -  N0NCQ
?   creativegardening at hotmail.com<mailto:creativegardening at hotmail.com>
??   678-467-2380   (text only please)



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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  8 09:31:21 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 08:31:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nick Equipment available
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003080830040.2893@Frances>


Nick, David Monroe in San Antonio is trying to contact you about
acquiring your stuff for his SAMSAT museum there.  Are you getting
his emails?

Jim W6JVE

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From pbirkel at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 09:43:26 2020
From: pbirkel at gmail.com (Paul Birkel)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 09:43:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] NBS TN-419 Accessory Equipment and Teletypewriter
	Modifications for Remote Computer Consoles
Message-ID: <022301d5f54f$8bd2d7d0$a3788770$@gmail.com>

I noticed the cover page of this in a current eBay listing.  Kinda
interesting.

 

http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/TN/nbstechnicalnote419.pdf

 

February 1968

 

"Equipment auxiliary to, and simple modifications of a teletypewriter are
described

which enable it to be used more efficiently as a remote console of a
computer. The

descriptions and drawings are sufficiently detailed to enable one to
duplicate the

modifications or construct the auxiliary equipment with little or no design
effort.

 

Among the items treated are: pushbutton word generators, providing automatic

typing of often used programming instructions; and option switches for full
or half-

duplex operation, for inserting the sixth bit for lower case letters, and
the eighth bit

for parity compatibility."

 

CONTENTS

1. Introduction

2. Description of Modifications

2.1 Column Index

2.2 Tape Editing Switches

2.3 Transmit Mode Switch

2.4 Code Modifying Switches

3. Description of Accessory Equipment

3.1 Word Generator

3.2 Consecutive Number Generator

3.3 Single Character Generator

3.4 Remote Tape Reader

 

"By way of illustration, the auxiliary equipment was connected to and the

modifications were made on a Model 33 ASR Teletype (Teletype Corp. 5555
Touhy Ave.,

Skokie, 111. 60078), which is one type of teletypewriter. In the drawings
when a

numbered lead or connector is referred to, the number corresponds to a
component in the

Model 33 Teletype. While this equipment was connected to a Teletype, it will
be

understood that only small changes would be necessary to use this equipment
with other

teletypewriters or data recorders. Inclusion in this report of specific
parts or

equipment in no way represents approval or disapproval of any manufacturer
or product by

the National Bureau of Standards."

 

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From me at networkguy.com  Sun Mar  8 12:27:09 2020
From: me at networkguy.com (Ken Wiebe)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 09:27:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys]
 =?utf-8?q?NBS_TN-419_Accessory_Equipment_and_Teletype?=
 =?utf-8?q?writer=09Modifications_for_Remote_Computer_Consoles?=
In-Reply-To: <022301d5f54f$8bd2d7d0$a3788770$@gmail.com>
References: <022301d5f54f$8bd2d7d0$a3788770$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8578ad6-7055-49e4-8660-82bf72d8f439@www.fastmail.com>

Interesting! I wonder how popular any of those mods were...

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, at 06:43, Paul Birkel wrote:
> I noticed the cover page of this in a current eBay listing. Kinda interesting.

> 

> http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/TN/nbstechnicalnote419.pdf

> 

> February 1968

> 

> ?Equipment auxiliary to, and simple modifications of a teletypewriter are described

> which enable it to be used more efficiently as a remote console of a computer. The

> descriptions and drawings are sufficiently detailed to enable one to duplicate the

> modifications or construct the auxiliary equipment with little or no design effort.

> 

> Among the items treated are: pushbutton word generators, providing automatic

> typing of often used programming instructions; and option switches for full or half-

> duplex operation, for inserting the sixth bit for lower case letters, and the eighth bit

> for parity compatibility.?

> 

> CONTENTS

> 1. Introduction

> 2. Description of Modifications

> 2.1 Column Index

> 2.2 Tape Editing Switches

> 2.3 Transmit Mode Switch

> 2.4 Code Modifying Switches

> 3. Description of Accessory Equipment

> 3.1 Word Generator

> 3.2 Consecutive Number Generator

> 3.3 Single Character Generator

> 3.4 Remote Tape Reader

> 

> ?By way of illustration, the auxiliary equipment was connected to and the

> modifications were made on a Model 33 ASR Teletype (Teletype Corp. 5555 Touhy Ave.,

> Skokie, 111. 60078), which is one type of teletypewriter. In the drawings when a

> numbered lead or connector is referred to, the number corresponds to a component in the

> Model 33 Teletype. While this equipment was connected to a Teletype, it will be

> understood that only small changes would be necessary to use this equipment with other

> teletypewriters or data recorders. Inclusion in this report of specific parts or

> equipment in no way represents approval or disapproval of any manufacturer or product by

> the National Bureau of Standards.?

> 

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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sun Mar  8 22:01:58 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 19:01:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype.net Down?
Message-ID: <6A1EBCEF-CFED-4D0D-96DA-6BD260432D20@K6YIC.com>

Anyone else having an issue accessing teletype.net.  I am getting. ?502 bad gateway? only on that site?  I just purchased one of the Volpe USB-Loop converters for my 28 and was looking for the user guide from his site. 

Daniel K6YIC

Sent from my iPhone

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Mar  8 22:19:28 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 21:19:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype.net Down?
In-Reply-To: <6A1EBCEF-CFED-4D0D-96DA-6BD260432D20@K6YIC.com>
References: <6A1EBCEF-CFED-4D0D-96DA-6BD260432D20@K6YIC.com>
Message-ID: <A593691E-15BB-4379-AA5E-B773EC0B90C4@tapr.org>

I get the same thing.  

You can get info on previous version at:
https://heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype
Get the instruction sheet from the link in the first paragraph.

There are some changes, but this should get you started.

John, W9DDD


> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having an issue accessing teletype.net.  I am getting. ?502 bad gateway? only on that site?  I just purchased one of the Volpe USB-Loop converters for my 28 and was looking for the user guide from his site. 
> 
> Daniel K6YIC
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From epvgk at limpoc.com  Sun Mar  8 22:38:28 2020
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 19:38:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype.net Down?
In-Reply-To: <A593691E-15BB-4379-AA5E-B773EC0B90C4@tapr.org>
References: <6A1EBCEF-CFED-4D0D-96DA-6BD260432D20@K6YIC.com>
	<A593691E-15BB-4379-AA5E-B773EC0B90C4@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <20200309023828.GA2040@limpoc.com>

On Sun, Mar 08, 2020 at 09:19:28PM -0500, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
> I get the same thing.  
> 
> You can get info on previous version at:
> https://heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype
> Get the instruction sheet from the link in the first paragraph.
> 
> There are some changes, but this should get you started.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone else having an issue accessing teletype.net.  I am getting. ?502 bad gateway? only on that site?  I just purchased one of the Volpe USB-Loop converters for my 28 and was looking for the user guide from his site. 
> > 
> > Daniel K6YIC
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone

I think Teletype.net is jordan's site. But yeah the docs from my site (heepy.net) 
should be enough to get going, the changes are mostly bug-fixes. The new version
lacks the "send a pre-stored message on BREAK" feature the old one had, but I don't
think many people used that. 

eric volpe

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From js at teletype.net  Sun Mar  8 23:21:01 2020
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 21:21:01 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype.net Down?
In-Reply-To: <6A1EBCEF-CFED-4D0D-96DA-6BD260432D20@K6YIC.com>
References: <6A1EBCEF-CFED-4D0D-96DA-6BD260432D20@K6YIC.com>
Message-ID: <8a70233f-3c39-4f54-b77b-f1cd2fbba889@www.fastmail.com>

That would be a result of the Docker container the site runs on consuming all available memory and killing itself. It's because I am running too many containers on a host with too few resources, and while I love the software I use for teletype.net because it saves me a lot of time building readable, wikilike pages, it is terribly inefficient as far as resources go. I am working to migrate it to hardware with more available memory and processing power, and then this issue will be a thing of the past.

I'm also working to get the reverse proxy cache working properly, but the software isn't passing headers back as I'd expect, so nothing is really getting cached, either. Another major problem. 

Anyway, it's back available again, and I added a parameter so the container restarts automagically if it kills itself again (and it will keep killing itself every few weeks until I resolve the limited resources/caching problems). 

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org


On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
> Anyone else having an issue accessing teletype.net. I am getting. ?502 bad gateway? only on that site? I just purchased one of the Volpe USB-Loop converters for my 28 and was looking for the user guide from his site. 
> 
> Daniel K6YIC
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From til128 at juno.com  Wed Mar 11 17:51:00 2020
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 21:51:00 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Labels
Message-ID: <20200311.175100.29296.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Hi all:

I was going thru some drawers, and found a couple of the following stickers.

They are 7" wide and 1" length.

They have a part # of 402170

To far up in numbers for my use. &#128521; Need one?

FREE!

Pls contact me off list.

Tom WB2TTY

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From til128 at juno.com  Thu Mar 12 13:28:06 2020
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:28:06 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Testing
Message-ID: <20200312.132806.32668.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

Just testing GKs.

Awful quiet.

I tried posting the labels were spoken for, but it never showed.

Tom WB2TTY


From jeffg at junknet.net  Thu Mar 12 17:26:22 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:26:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
Message-ID: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>

Someone recently mentioned this, but I'm looking for the recommended oil
that people use for teletypes, old or new(er). I thought the brand was Nye
or Nuy or something but can't find it. If anyone can shoot me a name or a
link I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Jeff G KC3GJX
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Thu Mar 12 17:53:15 2020
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:53:15 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C9484AD-8D06-416F-AF94-1ED9D04BC1C5@xsmail.com>


I use 5w-40 full synthetic motor oil? great stuff that just keeps on keeping things smooth w/out gunking up.


> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:26 pm, Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
> 
> Someone recently mentioned this, but I'm looking for the recommended oil that people use for teletypes, old or new(er). I thought the brand was Nye or Nuy or something but can't find it. If anyone can shoot me a name or a link I'd appreciate it!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff G KC3GJX
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Thu Mar 12 18:01:44 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:01:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87992ef2-3112-85f5-b211-450fd7e0fd60@ix.netcom.com>


https://www.nyelubricants.com/175-years

https://www.nyelubricants.com/products

 ?? Nye makes a very wide variety of oils including synthetic 
watch and clock oils. Some are available on Amazon. I don't know 
which oil to use for Teletype machines, maybe more than one.
 ??? I have used Nye watch oil on camera shutters.

Also see:
http://www.kanolabs.com/index.html
 ?? They make a very fine instrument oil called Microil. Can be 
bought direct from the web site.
On 3/12/2020 2:26 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> Someone recently mentioned this, but I'm looking for the 
> recommended oil that people use for teletypes, old or new(er). 
> I thought the brand was Nye or Nuy or something but can't find 
> it. If anyone can shoot me a name or a link I'd appreciate it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff G KC3GJX
>

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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Fri Mar 13 09:24:38 2020
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:24:38 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1CE5601-E099-40AB-A3C6-ADEAD26EE20E@uiowa.edu>

On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Jeff G wrote:

> ... I'm looking for the recommended oil that people use for teletypes, old or new(er).

I wrote up my notes on oil and grease here:
-- https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/ks7470oil.shtml

		Doug Jones
		jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 13 13:39:38 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:39:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <A1CE5601-E099-40AB-A3C6-ADEAD26EE20E@uiowa.edu>
References: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A1CE5601-E099-40AB-A3C6-ADEAD26EE20E@uiowa.edu>
Message-ID: <550305e3-7980-225d-64a7-4d39ce6dd0f2@earthlink.net>

Thanks for your report, Doug!

I know that lubricants have been an on-going discussion of the list, but 
what about Lucas "Red & Tacky" grease? How does that stack up with 
KS7471 grease?

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 13-Mar-20 09:24, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>
>> ... I'm looking for the recommended oil that people use for teletypes, old or new(er).
> I wrote up my notes on oil and grease here:
> -- https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/ks7470oil.shtml
>
> 		Doug Jones
> 		jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Fri Mar 13 17:20:27 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 14:20:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 ASR Gear
References: <7191799C-164C-4ACC-8946-3533BB608966@att.net>
Message-ID: <5F58716E-35C9-4BDB-8661-3BDECAF46075@att.net>

All,

I sent this out awhile ago in hopes that someone had the p/n 195157 gear. No one had one. I checked a few places to see if I could get the gear made. The lowest price I found was $425.00. That?s more than I paid for the whole machine.

1. Does anyone have a ?spare? 3-speed modification kit they?re willing to part with?
2. Does anyone know of a place that can make the gear cheaper?

My brother suggested that I could 3D print it, but I don?t think it would hold up.

So far, the original gear is holding up without any further damage.

(Luckily, I have a backup set of 60 wpm gears in case of catastrophic failure.)

Thanks,
Bill
KE3BK

> 
> All,
> 
> I?m in the process of cleaning, lubricating, repairing, etc., my newfound M28 ASR and found a gear that is still operating, but I don?t know for how long. It has a couple of damaged teeth. Does anyone have a p/n 195157, gear 49T, gray nylon or know of any place that makes custom gears? Paul Cembura doesn?t have any in stock.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
> KE3BK
> 

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From samstinson at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 17:32:24 2020
From: samstinson at gmail.com (Sam Stinson)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 14:32:24 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 ASR Gear
In-Reply-To: <5F58716E-35C9-4BDB-8661-3BDECAF46075@att.net>
References: <5F58716E-35C9-4BDB-8661-3BDECAF46075@att.net>
Message-ID: <4DA9FC86-452B-457B-9679-FB377D2D7968@gmail.com>

If you can get it 3D printed in Nylon it will be extremely strong, I have no doubts that it would hold up. I have printed small parts in nylon, you cannot easily damage them even with pliers and a hammer. 

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 14:21, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?All,
> 
> I sent this out awhile ago in hopes that someone had the p/n 195157 gear. No one had one. I checked a few places to see if I could get the gear made. The lowest price I found was $425.00. That?s more than I paid for the whole machine.
> 
> 1. Does anyone have a ?spare? 3-speed modification kit they?re willing to part with?
> 2. Does anyone know of a place that can make the gear cheaper?
> 
> My brother suggested that I could 3D print it, but I don?t think it would hold up.
> 
> So far, the original gear is holding up without any further damage.
> 
> (Luckily, I have a backup set of 60 wpm gears in case of catastrophic failure.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
> KE3BK
> 
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I?m in the process of cleaning, lubricating, repairing, etc., my newfound M28 ASR and found a gear that is still operating, but I don?t know for how long. It has a couple of damaged teeth. Does anyone have a p/n 195157, gear 49T, gray nylon or know of any place that makes custom gears? Paul Cembura doesn?t have any in stock.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>> <IMG_0741 3.jpeg>
>> 
> 
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From wa3frp at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 19:27:11 2020
From: wa3frp at gmail.com (Russ Miller)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:27:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 ASR Gear
In-Reply-To: <4DA9FC86-452B-457B-9679-FB377D2D7968@gmail.com>
References: <5F58716E-35C9-4BDB-8661-3BDECAF46075@att.net>
	<4DA9FC86-452B-457B-9679-FB377D2D7968@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F63E0C8B-5064-43CF-AA4F-B4DE4ED159B9@gmail.com>

Bill,

I went though this exercise about 15 years ago and found that this gear is made from unobtainium.  I did get the specs on this gear and visit a couple of local machine shops.  Back then, I remember that the price was dramatically lower if more that one gear was being machined.

Good luck in your search for a solution.

Russ WA3FRP 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Sam Stinson <samstinson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you can get it 3D printed in Nylon it will be extremely strong, I have no doubts that it would hold up. I have printed small parts in nylon, you cannot easily damage them even with pliers and a hammer. 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 14:21, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?All,
>> 
>> I sent this out awhile ago in hopes that someone had the p/n 195157 gear. No one had one. I checked a few places to see if I could get the gear made. The lowest price I found was $425.00. That?s more than I paid for the whole machine.
>> 
>> 1. Does anyone have a ?spare? 3-speed modification kit they?re willing to part with?
>> 2. Does anyone know of a place that can make the gear cheaper?
>> 
>> My brother suggested that I could 3D print it, but I don?t think it would hold up.
>> 
>> So far, the original gear is holding up without any further damage.
>> 
>> (Luckily, I have a backup set of 60 wpm gears in case of catastrophic failure.)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>> 
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I?m in the process of cleaning, lubricating, repairing, etc., my newfound M28 ASR and found a gear that is still operating, but I don?t know for how long. It has a couple of damaged teeth. Does anyone have a p/n 195157, gear 49T, gray nylon or know of any place that makes custom gears? Paul Cembura doesn?t have any in stock.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>> KE3BK
>>> <IMG_0741 3.jpeg>
>>> 
>> 
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Fri Mar 13 22:15:50 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:15:50 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <550305e3-7980-225d-64a7-4d39ce6dd0f2@earthlink.net>
References: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A1CE5601-E099-40AB-A3C6-ADEAD26EE20E@uiowa.edu>
	<550305e3-7980-225d-64a7-4d39ce6dd0f2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8448fb48-0df4-9ff5-627e-ee420da00447@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? Red and Tacky sounds like Mobil 1 general purpose synthetic 
grease. This is a medium heavy automotive wheel bearing grease. I 
also have some stuff from Shell Oil, have to look at the label. 
Its an aviation grease I discovered by looking up the specs for a 
grease recommended by Collins Radio in a military handbook for 
the R-388. These (this and Mobil 1) are supposedly very long lived.
 ??? I have been researching lubricants for a long time and find 
it peculiarly difficult to get really authentic information on 
their various virtues and faults.

On 3/13/2020 10:39 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Thanks for your report, Doug!
>
> I know that lubricants have been an on-going discussion of the 
> list, but what about Lucas "Red & Tacky" grease? How does that 
> stack up with KS7471 grease?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
> On 13-Mar-20 09:24, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>>
>>> ... I'm looking for the recommended oil that people use for 
>>> teletypes, old or new(er).
>> I wrote up my notes on oil and grease here:
>> -- https://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/ks7470oil.shtml
>>
>> ??????? Doug Jones
>> ??????? jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Mar 13 23:17:55 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:17:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 ASR Gear
Message-ID: <a39ac0c4034792dd2ca73535bc5928c7.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

Corrected my from address...

Have you tried RTTY Electronics (
http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm )?

Harold


> All,
>
> I sent this out awhile ago in hopes that someone had the p/n 195157
gear. No one had one. I checked a few places to see if I could get the
gear made. The lowest price I found was $425.00. That???s more than I
paid for the whole machine.
>
> 1. Does anyone have a ???spare??? 3-speed modification kit they???re
willing to part with?
> 2. Does anyone know of a place that can make the gear cheaper?
>
> My brother suggested that I could 3D print it, but I don???t think it
would hold up.
>
> So far, the original gear is holding up without any further damage.
>
> (Luckily, I have a backup set of 60 wpm gears in case of catastrophic
failure.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I???m in the process of cleaning, lubricating, repairing, etc., my
newfound M28 ASR and found a gear that is still operating, but I
don???t know for how long. It has a couple of damaged teeth. Does
anyone have a p/n 195157, gear 49T, gray nylon or know of any place
that makes custom gears? Paul Cembura doesn???t have any in stock.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>>
>
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From harold at mai.hallikainen.org  Fri Mar 13 22:21:11 2020
From: harold at mai.hallikainen.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:21:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 ASR Gear
In-Reply-To: <5F58716E-35C9-4BDB-8661-3BDECAF46075@att.net>
References: <7191799C-164C-4ACC-8946-3533BB608966@att.net>
	<5F58716E-35C9-4BDB-8661-3BDECAF46075@att.net>
Message-ID: <a36403c7c4f5d38ae8bed4d4801b8236.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

Have you tried RTTY Electronics (
http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm )?

Harold


> All,
>
> I sent this out awhile ago in hopes that someone had the p/n 195157 gear.
> No one had one. I checked a few places to see if I could get the gear
> made. The lowest price I found was $425.00. That???s more than I paid for
> the whole machine.
>
> 1. Does anyone have a ???spare??? 3-speed modification kit they???re
> willing to part with?
> 2. Does anyone know of a place that can make the gear cheaper?
>
> My brother suggested that I could 3D print it, but I don???t think it
> would hold up.
>
> So far, the original gear is holding up without any further damage.
>
> (Luckily, I have a backup set of 60 wpm gears in case of catastrophic
> failure.)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I???m in the process of cleaning, lubricating, repairing, etc., my
>> newfound M28 ASR and found a gear that is still operating, but I don???t
>> know for how long. It has a couple of damaged teeth. Does anyone have a
>> p/n 195157, gear 49T, gray nylon or know of any place that makes custom
>> gears? Paul Cembura doesn???t have any in stock.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>>
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 14 09:26:43 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 08:26:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <8448fb48-0df4-9ff5-627e-ee420da00447@ix.netcom.com>
References: <CAPK6WscyrgvAJH5pyhnhTKV_S5-QmWDtJoAnPjv2w75brCf9xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A1CE5601-E099-40AB-A3C6-ADEAD26EE20E@uiowa.edu>
	<550305e3-7980-225d-64a7-4d39ce6dd0f2@earthlink.net>
	<8448fb48-0df4-9ff5-627e-ee420da00447@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003140825500.4651@Frances>

And then there are those of us who prize the aroma of genuine KS-7470.
However there are probably lots better lubricants available today
compared to something that was around since the 1930s.

Jim W6JVE

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 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Mar 14 11:14:25 2020
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:14:25 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Nye or other oil?
Message-ID: <20200314.111425.4377.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Hi Jim and all:

I agree with you about modern lubricants.

The best that I have used and recommend to all who will listen is Lucas Red'N'Tacky grease and Mobil 1? Extended Performance 5-20 oil.

I have never had a problem with either.

FWIW, I once used Lubriplate (the white stuff) never again! :-(

Tom WB2TTY

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Nye or other oil?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 08:26:43 -0500 (CDT)

And then there are those of us who prize the aroma of genuine KS-7470.
However there are probably lots better lubricants available today
compared to something that was around since the 1930s.

Jim W6JVE

 	---

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From wcwuttke at att.net  Sat Mar 14 18:28:51 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:28:51 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Archaeology
References: <03BAD044-E293-4868-BFBA-231896C5DF8B.ref@att.net>
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All,

Along with my M28 ASR, I got a whole bunch of what I call tape remnants ? 1 to 3 inches of tape left on the cardboard rolls. On one of them a couple of feet of punched tape remained. I ran it through the TD and got this:



Does anyone recognize this? It looks like some sort of error message.

73,
Bill
KE3BK
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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 15 13:21:31 2020
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:21:31 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] FYI NOAA Alerrts
Message-ID: <SN6PR01MB3837F67C31B36E2EC10BFB7291F80@SN6PR01MB3837.prod.exchangelabs.com>

>From Wiki Notes:

"Messages in the EAS are composed of four parts: Specific Area Message Encoding (SAME) header, an attention signal (1050 Hz for NOAA Weather Radio, 853 Hz and 960 Hz together for commercial broadcast stations), an audio announcement, and a SAME end-of-message marker. For NOAA Weather Alerts, SAME uses NWR-SAME Codes to relay specific alerts, such as tornado warnings, and hurricane advisories.


SAME is an AFSK (Audio Frequency Shift-Keying) protocol used in North America to send digitally encoded information about alerts, advisories, and warnings. Canada and Mexico both utilize SAME in some fashion for weather and disaster alerts The SAME FSK signal itself is 1200Hz wide with a 260Hz shift. Each individual bit lasting 1920 ?s (1.92 ms) each, giving a bit rate of 520.8333 bits per second."

Cheers,

Doug W5JV





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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 15:47:55 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:47:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 1948 photo - USAF teaches TTY to USN
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcQNpq-tA=J9J8j=sMG3HNG2y+VNPvLfLjS0PemUQJ8Kw@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254541001453

I'm surprised the Navy would ever admit to learning something from the Air
Force.
Cheers,
Nick
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sun Mar 15 15:51:10 2020
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 14:51:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 1948 photo - USAF teaches TTY to USN
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcQNpq-tA=J9J8j=sMG3HNG2y+VNPvLfLjS0PemUQJ8Kw@mail.gmail.com>
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Nice 15!


> On Mar 15, 2020, at 2:47 pm, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/254541001453
> 
> I'm surprised the Navy would ever admit to learning something from the Air Force.
> Cheers,
> Nick
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Sun Mar 15 18:16:29 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:16:29 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] More Teletype Archaeology
References: <434B157E-DEAD-48A8-86D3-BBCE7152F83D.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <434B157E-DEAD-48A8-86D3-BBCE7152F83D@att.net>

All,

Along with my M28 ASR, I also got a couple of boxes of paper. Lo and behold, the paper originally came from UPI and was sent to radio station KDAY in Los Angeles. I wonder how old it is?



73,
Bill
KE3BK
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From jvendely at cfl.rr.com  Sun Mar 15 19:23:55 2020
From: jvendely at cfl.rr.com (John Vendely)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 19:23:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More Teletype Archaeology
In-Reply-To: <434B157E-DEAD-48A8-86D3-BBCE7152F83D@att.net>
References: <434B157E-DEAD-48A8-86D3-BBCE7152F83D.ref@att.net>
	<434B157E-DEAD-48A8-86D3-BBCE7152F83D@att.net>
Message-ID: <336e2598-2d8f-5c50-53bb-6eebbb199d16@cfl.rr.com>

A quick internet search revealed that newscaster Roger Aldi, the man 
referenced on the shipping label, worked at KDAY from 1975-1989.? Must 
be within those years...

73,

John K9WT

On 3/15/2020 6:16 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
> All,
>
> Along with my M28 ASR, I also got a couple of boxes of paper. Lo and 
> behold, the paper originally came from UPI and was sent to radio 
> station KDAY in Los Angeles. I wonder how old it is?
>
>
> 73,
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
>
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Sun Mar 15 22:04:40 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 19:04:40 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-8000A Manual
References: <981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B@att.net>

All,

Does anybody have a HAL ST-8000A Manual? I sent an email to halcomm a while ago regarding documentation for the CWR-6850, but did not get a response. Someone on the list said that their support for old units is dying or dead.

Thanks,
Bill
KE3BK

From zarco at sonic.net  Sun Mar 15 21:46:20 2020
From: zarco at sonic.net (Steve)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:46:20 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
Message-ID: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>

For well over 45 years now I've been using ATF (auto tranny fluid) as a light
oil for old teletypes. Mostly m15's and m19's. IMO its a nearly ideal light
oil. It doesn't evaporate, leaving thick crud. It also has a tendency to dissolve
old oils that did dry up. And best of all its cheap. 

Would this work well for machines that are used 24/7? Don't know but can say
for our uses (hobbyists) it works fine.
Steve W6SSP
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sun Mar 15 23:07:01 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 23:07:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>
References: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>
Message-ID: <CAPK6Wse9tFbhFBLZWY9oMumyEvgVC0SnD1qkEvtt2MBPVMM1iA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all for the replies in terms of the oil, it was the Kano oil I
remembered reading from that oil writeup, and the Nye as well.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:37 PM Steve <zarco at sonic.net> wrote:

> For well over 45 years now I've been using ATF (auto tranny fluid) as a
> light
> oil for old teletypes. Mostly m15's and m19's. IMO its a nearly ideal light
> oil. It doesn't evaporate, leaving thick crud. It also has a tendency to
> dissolve
> old oils that did dry up. And best of all its cheap.
>
> Would this work well for machines that are used 24/7? Don't know but can
> say
> for our uses (hobbyists) it works fine.
> Steve W6SSP
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From k1lky68 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 23:16:41 2020
From: k1lky68 at gmail.com (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 23:16:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>
References: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>
Message-ID: <54B624D9-75B1-4831-A55A-5F79EBCF271F@gmail.com>

There must be a just-right oil for typewriters. 

I have unearthed from the Junque and Treasures here a portable typewriter from the 1930's and would like to oil it back to operation. 

Roy Morgan
K1LKY Western Mass

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 10:37 PM, Steve <zarco at sonic.net> wrote:
> For well over 45 years now I've been using ATF (auto tranny fluid) as a light
> oil for old teletypes. 
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 15 23:24:06 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 20:24:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <54B624D9-75B1-4831-A55A-5F79EBCF271F@gmail.com>
References: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>
	<54B624D9-75B1-4831-A55A-5F79EBCF271F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8ee78b3-d953-ff78-583f-e2a16a4814e1@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? Kano Microil works fine. Its a light oil. One technique used 
when rebuilding typwriters was to use a mixture of light oil and 
kerosene. However, typewriters need very little lubrication, 
mainly the escapement and the bearings on the carriage. Do not 
oil the segment AKA type basket.
 ?? You can find pretty good typewriter repair manuals at:
https://site.xavier.edu/polt/typewriters/tw-manuals.html

 ?Scroll down to find the repair manuals.
 ?? The military manual is mostly a reprint of the Ames manuals.

On 3/15/2020 8:16 PM, Roy Morgan wrote:
> There must be a just-right oil for typewriters.
>
> I have unearthed from the Junque and Treasures here a portable 
> typewriter from the 1930's and would like to oil it back to 
> operation.
>
> Roy Morgan
> K1LKY Western Mass
>
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 10:37 PM, Steve <zarco at sonic.net> wrote:
>> For well over 45 years now I've been using ATF (auto tranny 
>> fluid) as a light
>> oil for old teletypes.
>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 15 23:29:11 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 20:29:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Nye or other oil?
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6Wse9tFbhFBLZWY9oMumyEvgVC0SnD1qkEvtt2MBPVMM1iA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000801d5fb34$b2316370$03d61bc6@starwars>
	<CAPK6Wse9tFbhFBLZWY9oMumyEvgVC0SnD1qkEvtt2MBPVMM1iA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f48c1a89-de58-07ec-8d0e-b5ae304da479@ix.netcom.com>

 ? Kano Microil works quite well for many things.
 ? Very find oil is put up by the major oil companies as "turbine 
oil". I suspect Kano Microil is repackaged light turbine oil.
 ?? I am not enthusiastic about using engine oil. Engine oils 
have additives to maintain viscosity over a wide range of 
temperature, they also have detergents and some have pressure 
resisting additives although not as much as EP or Hypoid grease. 
These can cause gumming and the detergents may not work at room 
temperatures. However, many have had good results with synthetic 
engine oil. Transmission oil is different stuff, perhaps a better 
general purpose lubricant than motor oil. I did some research on 
it but was not able to find out much.

On 3/15/2020 8:07 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> Thanks all for the replies in terms of the oil, it was the Kano 
> oil I remembered reading from that oil writeup, and the Nye as 
> well.
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:37 PM Steve <zarco at sonic.net 
> <mailto:zarco at sonic.net>> wrote:
>
>     For well over 45 years now I've been using ATF (auto tranny
>     fluid) as a light
>     oil for old teletypes. Mostly m15's and m19's. IMO its a
>     nearly ideal light
>     oil. It doesn't evaporate, leaving thick crud. It also has
>     a tendency to dissolve
>     old oils that did dry up. And best of all its cheap.
>     Would this work well for machines that are used 24/7? Don't
>     know but can say
>     for our uses (hobbyists) it works fine.
>     Steve W6SSP
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From jdangus at att.net  Mon Mar 16 00:29:28 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 23:29:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-8000A Manual
In-Reply-To: <981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B@att.net>
References: <981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B.ref@att.net>
	<981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B@att.net>
Message-ID: <b3936115-ec51-495e-aee5-0b599fb53026@att.net>

On 3/15/20 9:04 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
> Does anybody have a HAL ST-8000A Manual?
I just sent you a link to my dropbox.


-- 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 10:33:22 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 10:33:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype TT-36/GGA-1 TD for crypto system
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeUAiPYBgPkkw6W+NifHmhHUkh9=oEsb7zW5Ouv9e4U_A@mail.gmail.com>

 Paul Cembura let me borrow his manual RS-5562 for scanning, RS- means it
is a Restricted publication, the first I have seen.
http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/5562RS-ENG-iss1-4612.pdf

This manual covers Duncan's strange TD (TT-36/GGA-1) which we have
discussed before. When enciphering plain text this tape reader breaks a
clear text tape into 5 letter groups, inserts CR/CR/LF after 10 groups,
etc. When deciphering it takes out the extraneous spaces between 5 letter
groups.

As best I can tell from this manual and from a little AN/GGA-1 description,
I believe that this was used to feed characters to the KL-47 off-line
crypto machine. Or, using the ENG 308 Translator, it could be used to feed
an ECM Mk II crypto machine (which was normally an off-line manual machine).

Photos of the GGA-1 and Duncan's TT-36 are at
http://www.navy-radio.com/crypto.htm#gga1

Any additional info, etc, is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Mon Mar 16 10:40:16 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:40:16 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype TT-36/GGA-1 TD for crypto system
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeUAiPYBgPkkw6W+NifHmhHUkh9=oEsb7zW5Ouv9e4U_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeUAiPYBgPkkw6W+NifHmhHUkh9=oEsb7zW5Ouv9e4U_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A69BE458-DF7C-4359-A42A-DA0FB6CD94D3@comcast.net>

AWESOME! Thanks so much Nick, and to Paul Cembura.

Paul
W2TTY



> On Mar 16, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Paul Cembura let me borrow his manual RS-5562 for scanning, RS- means it is a Restricted publication, the first I have seen.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/5562RS-ENG-iss1-4612.pdf <http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/5562RS-ENG-iss1-4612.pdf>
> 
> This manual covers Duncan's strange TD (TT-36/GGA-1) which we have discussed before. When enciphering plain text this tape reader breaks a clear text tape into 5 letter groups, inserts CR/CR/LF after 10 groups, etc. When deciphering it takes out the extraneous spaces between 5 letter groups.
> 
> As best I can tell from this manual and from a little AN/GGA-1 description, I believe that this was used to feed characters to the KL-47 off-line crypto machine. Or, using the ENG 308 Translator, it could be used to feed an ECM Mk II crypto machine (which was normally an off-line manual machine).
> 
> Photos of the GGA-1 and Duncan's TT-36 are at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/crypto.htm#gga1 <http://www.navy-radio.com/crypto.htm#gga1>
> 
> Any additional info, etc, is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com/>
> 
> 
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From jdangus at att.net  Mon Mar 16 12:17:08 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-8000A Manual
In-Reply-To: <007c01d5fba0$a6106890$f23139b0$@gmail.com>
References: <981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B.ref@att.net>
	<981FF7AA-7C8D-4DE7-B084-2CAFFAE4CD8B@att.net>
	<b3936115-ec51-495e-aee5-0b599fb53026@att.net>
	<000301d5fb81$0d61e4d0$2825ae70$@gmail.com>
	<72e286af-0706-7e5e-bea0-17badad9e566@att.net>
	<007c01d5fba0$a6106890$f23139b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a933b06-5b4b-3715-941b-1449baa7c625@att.net>

On 3/16/20 9:39 AM, Paul Birkel wrote:
> Thank you.  But Dropbox naturally looks to find that path in
> *my*  account rather than yours :-<.
Ok, let's try this link then.
<https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tbkmj0k1ojayz1o/AADnB_xXf_5KrwhZs8ygIb3wa?dl=0>


-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca  Mon Mar 16 16:26:48 2020
From: davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca (Dave)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:26:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lorenz LO15
Message-ID: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>

Hello everyone, i'm new too greenkeys and wanted to say hi, i just 
aquired this beauty and was wondering if someone can tell me where to 
find a manual

thanks/Dave VE3ZDB


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From jdangus at att.net  Mon Mar 16 17:34:50 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:34:50 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lorenz LO15
In-Reply-To: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>
References: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>
Message-ID: <2e3ea08a-01bc-40bd-5de7-de2c63ca7289@att.net>

On 3/16/20 3:26 PM, Dave wrote:
> Hello everyone, i'm new too greenkeys and wanted to say hi,
> i just aquired this beauty and was wondering if someone can
> tell me where to find a manual
>
> thanks/Dave VE3ZDB
I have the manuals and a lot of other stuff for the Lorenz at
the house, Send me email and I'll send ya bunch of stuff
after I get done with dinner tonight.

Assuming Henning doesn't beat me to it. ;-)


-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca  Mon Mar 16 19:14:18 2020
From: davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca (Dave)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:14:18 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] lorenz lo15
Message-ID: <b72c7f51-26c6-fceb-4c46-78b5cf913aae@eastlink.ca>

hello jeff, please send me your e-mail to davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca


From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 21:11:19 2020
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:11:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lorenz LO15
In-Reply-To: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>
References: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>
Message-ID: <5E7023B7.7621.8CD9DF1@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 16 Mar 2020 at 16:26, Dave wrote:

> i just
> aquired this beauty 

Looks like a Lorenze in quite nice condition. 



From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 16 21:58:07 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:58:07 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype TT-36/GGA-1 TD for crypto system
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeUAiPYBgPkkw6W+NifHmhHUkh9=oEsb7zW5Ouv9e4U_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeUAiPYBgPkkw6W+NifHmhHUkh9=oEsb7zW5Ouv9e4U_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41fb64b8-3cc2-9624-f6ad-555c4f40da58@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Nick & Paul!!

I'm traveling right now, but will take a close look at it when I get? home.

Duncan

On 16-Mar-20 10:33, Nick England wrote:
> Paul Cembura let me borrow his manual RS-5562 for scanning, RS- means 
> it is a Restricted publication, the first I have seen.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/5562RS-ENG-iss1-4612.pdf
>
> This manual covers Duncan's strange TD (TT-36/GGA-1) which we have 
> discussed before. When enciphering plain text this tape reader breaks 
> a clear text tape into 5 letter groups, inserts CR/CR/LF after 10 
> groups, etc. When deciphering it takes out the extraneous spaces 
> between 5 letter groups.
>
> As best I can tell from this manual and from a little AN/GGA-1 
> description, I believe that this was used to feed characters to the 
> KL-47 off-line crypto machine. Or, using the ENG 308 Translator, it 
> could be used to feed an ECM Mk II crypto machine (which was normally 
> an off-line manual machine).
>
> Photos of the GGA-1 and Duncan's TT-36 are at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/crypto.htm#gga1
>
> Any additional info, etc, is greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
>
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From davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca  Tue Mar 17 08:33:07 2020
From: davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca (Dave)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:33:07 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY converter
Message-ID: <bf191969-5ad7-8a69-6ed1-bb7f56972c70@eastlink.ca>

Hello again, thanks again for all the help fellas, now i'm looking for a 
converter to go with the Lorenz lo15. i was told to look for a Flesher 
TU170 or a Hal st-6. if someone has something that can help me out drop 
me an email please

davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca

thanks again/Dave VE3ZDB


From mattislind at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 09:04:32 2020
From: mattislind at gmail.com (Mattis Lind)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:04:32 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lorenz LO15
In-Reply-To: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>
References: <afec08a3-1ce9-d86a-5a19-797605dc887e@eastlink.ca>
Message-ID: <CABr82SKJJQs_FrTs4XxquUVKCnmyfdtUvOC1sMTGS9jGKtMsKA@mail.gmail.com>

Nice machine!

There are several manuals on www.telexforum.de for the Lo15. You need to
register to access them.

I have one too which I have restored. In a wooden housing, though.  A lot
of old grease had to be removed but then it worked quite well. Made a
homebuilt interface which I used for connecting it to my Linux laptop. The
interface did baudot to ascii conversion and generated the loop voltage
needed.

https://twitter.com/MattisLind/status/1147488665192587264?s=20

/Mattis

Den m?n 16 mars 2020 kl 21:59 skrev Dave <davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca>:

> Hello everyone, i'm new too greenkeys and wanted to say hi, i just
> aquired this beauty and was wondering if someone can tell me where to
> find a manual
>
> thanks/Dave VE3ZDB
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jeffa at rodaw.com  Tue Mar 17 11:54:12 2020
From: jeffa at rodaw.com (Jeff Albrecht)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:54:12 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] KSR 33 trim; The long search ends - Because I found it
Message-ID: <85daf507-7bff-69b6-5937-56ec46d2449f@rodaw.com>

Hey Wayne! Check it out :-)

Just a very nice way to start out the day. I've _literally_ been looking 
for this in various boxes, nooks and crannies for decades! The trim 
piece for behind the rotary dial on Dad's old 33. I remember playing a 
lot of Startrek on this when connected to his Imsai.



 ?- Jeff
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 12:08:16 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 09:08:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
Message-ID: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

>From Telecom Digest


Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines

I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
available.  Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.

Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.

Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.

***** Moderator's Note *****

Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
from my cell phone.

The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.

Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
offered. Thanks in advance.

If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
over there too. TIA.

The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/

Bill Horne
Moderator

-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 13:44:47 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:44:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>

Thanks Harold.

I intend to reach out to him about the TWX and perhaps the TELEX. I?m looking for a TWX system

Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003

ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE


> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
> 
> From Telecom Digest
> 
> 
> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
> 
> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
> available.  Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
> 
> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
> 
> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
> 
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> 
> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
> from my cell phone.
> 
> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
> 
> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
> offered. Thanks in advance.
> 
> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
> over there too. TIA.
> 
> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
> 
> Bill Horne
> Moderator
> 
> -- 
> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
> Not sent from an iPhone.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From js at teletype.net  Wed Mar 18 13:53:10 2020
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:53:10 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <aaf37cb8-bb02-4ea8-9692-def9201eaa14@www.fastmail.com>

If you by chance plan a road trip, Paul (or anyone else), I would donate gas and burger money (and a little extra for your trouble) if you have room for other machines and Utah isn't too far out of your way.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Paul Heller wrote:
> Thanks Harold.
> 
> I intend to reach out to him about the TWX and perhaps the TELEX. I?m looking for a TWX system
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> i-Telex: 80003
> 
> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 <http://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
>> 
>> From Telecom Digest
>> 
>> 
>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>> 
>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>> 
>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>> 
>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>> 
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>> 
>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>> from my cell phone.
>> 
>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>> 
>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>> over there too. TIA.
>> 
>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>> 
>> Bill Horne
>> Moderator
>> 
>> -- 
>> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
>> Not sent from an iPhone.
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>> 
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>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to paul0926 at comcast.net
> ______________________________________________________________
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From andrewsofbg at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 14:01:20 2020
From: andrewsofbg at gmail.com (andrewsofbg at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:01:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <01bf01d5fd4f$5acd8600$10689200$@gmail.com>

Astoria is a couple of hours away.  If push comes to shove and he is going to dispose of the equipment, I could get it and hold in the Portland area until distributed to others.  But that is only if necessary and the Mrs gives me permission to leave the house.  If someone else is making the trip from Portland, I am interested in the 33 ASR, some paper rolls, and possibly test equipment.

 

Regards

 

craig

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Paul Heller
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:45 AM
To: Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org>
Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon

 

Thanks Harold.

 

I intend to reach out to him about the TWX and perhaps the TELEX. I?m looking for a TWX system

 

Paul
W2TTY

i-Telex: 80003

ITTY:                HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY

ITTY100:               HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART

EUROPE:              HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE





On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org> > wrote:

 

>From Telecom Digest


Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com <mailto:c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com> >
Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org <mailto:invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org> >
Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines

I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
available.  Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.

Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.

Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.

***** Moderator's Note *****

Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
from my cell phone.

The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.

Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
offered. Thanks in advance.

If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
over there too. TIA.

The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/

Bill Horne
Moderator

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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 14:06:38 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:06:38 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <01bf01d5fd4f$5acd8600$10689200$@gmail.com>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
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Got it. I?ve put a call into him, left a message. I?ll tell him that, Craig. 

Yes, the question of actually being able to leave the house to go get it right now is on my mind as well.

Paul


> On Mar 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, <andrewsofbg at gmail.com> <andrewsofbg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Astoria is a couple of hours away.  If push comes to shove and he is going to dispose of the equipment, I could get it and hold in the Portland area until distributed to others.  But that is only if necessary and the Mrs gives me permission to leave the house.  If someone else is making the trip from Portland, I am interested in the 33 ASR, some paper rolls, and possibly test equipment.
>  
> Regards
>  
> craig
>  
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Paul Heller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:45 AM
> To: Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org>>
> Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>  
> Thanks Harold.
>  
> I intend to reach out to him about the TWX and perhaps the TELEX. I?m looking for a TWX system
>  
> Paul
> W2TTY
> i-Telex: 80003
> 
> ITTY:                HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100:               HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 <http://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
> AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART <http://internet-tty.net:8030/AUTOSTART>
> EUROPE:              HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org>> wrote:
>>  
>> From Telecom Digest
>> 
>> 
>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com <mailto:c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>>
>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org <mailto:invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>>
>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>> 
>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>> available.  Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>> 
>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>> 
>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>> 
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>> 
>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>> from my cell phone.
>> 
>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>> 
>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>> over there too. TIA.
>> 
>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/ <http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/>
>> 
>> Bill Horne
>> Moderator
>> 
>> -- 
>> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com <http://www.hallikainen.com/>
>> Not sent from an iPhone.
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 18 14:22:45 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:22:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <65768596-73D3-4B71-9A99-02CE6F9B3708@comcast.net>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <485d1e08-b49b-9360-289a-95f3ba95d751@tapr.org>

I think I see an AN/UGC-20 (compact 28 KSR) and  an AN/UGC-25 (compact 
28 RO).  I also think there were a couple of 28 (or 35) typing units on 
the floor.  Some of the pix are pretty fuzzy.  Also there was an 
Electrocom TU, couldn't make out the model number.

John, W9DDD

On 3/18/2020 1:06 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
> Got it. I?ve put a call into him, left a message. I?ll tell him that, 
> Craig.
> 
> Yes, the question of actually being able to leave the house to go get it 
> right now is on my mind as well.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, <andrewsofbg at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:andrewsofbg at gmail.com>> <andrewsofbg at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:andrewsofbg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Astoria is a couple of hours away.? If push comes to shove and he is 
>> going to dispose of the equipment, I could get it and hold in the 
>> Portland area until distributed to others.? But that is only if 
>> necessary and the Mrs gives me permission to leave the house.? If 
>> someone else is making the trip from Portland, I am interested in the 
>> 33 ASR, some paper rolls, and possibly test equipment.
>> Regards
>> craig
>> *From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net><greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>>*On Behalf Of*Paul Heller
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:45 AM
>> *To:*Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org>>
>> *Cc:*Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
>> <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>> Thanks Harold.
>> I intend to reach out to him about the TWX and perhaps the TELEX. I?m 
>> looking for a TWX system
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>> i-Telex: 80003
>>
>> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY 
>> <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
>> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 
>> <http://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
>> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART 
>> <http://internet-tty.net:8030/AUTOSTART>
>>
>> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE 
>> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org 
>>> <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org>> wrote:
>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>>
>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org 
>>> <mailto:invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>>
>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>
>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>> available. ?Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>
>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>
>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>
>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>> from my cell phone.
>>>
>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>
>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>
>>> The images are athttp://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>
>>> Bill Horne
>>> Moderator
>>>
>>> --
>>> FCC Rules Updated Daily athttp://www.hallikainen.com 
>>> <http://www.hallikainen.com/>
>>> Not sent from an iPhone.
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>>> Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
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> 
> 
> 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 18 14:23:32 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>

I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
I'll give him a call.

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> >From Telecom Digest
>
>
> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>
> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
> available.  Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>
> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>
> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
> from my cell phone.
>
> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>
> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
> offered. Thanks in advance.
>
> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
> over there too. TIA.
>
> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>
> Bill Horne
> Moderator
>


From me at networkguy.com  Wed Mar 18 15:03:40 2020
From: me at networkguy.com (Ken Wiebe)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:03:40 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <01bf01d5fd4f$5acd8600$10689200$@gmail.com>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
	<01bf01d5fd4f$5acd8600$10689200$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04b1f456-68da-4f59-a7af-214636a8547a@www.fastmail.com>

I'm interested in the 35.

-Ken
Tacoma, WA (about 3 hrs away)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 11:01, andrewsofbg at gmail.com wrote:
> Astoria is a couple of hours away. If push comes to shove and he is going to dispose of the equipment, I could get it and hold in the Portland area until distributed to others. But that is only if necessary and the Mrs gives me permission to leave the house. If someone else is making the trip from Portland, I am interested in the 33 ASR, some paper rolls, and possibly test equipment.

> 

> Regards

> 

> craig

> 


> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *Paul Heller
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:45 AM
> *To:* Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org>
> *Cc:* Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon

> 

> Thanks Harold.

> 

> I intend to reach out to him about the TWX and perhaps the TELEX. I?m looking for a TWX system

> 

> Paul
> W2TTY

> i-Telex: 80003
> 
> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>

> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 <http://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART <http://internet-tty.net:8030/AUTOSTART>

> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>


> 

>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:

>> 


>> From Telecom Digest
>> 
>> 
>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>> 
>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>> 
>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>> 
>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>> 
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>> 
>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>> from my cell phone.
>> 
>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>> 
>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>> over there too. TIA.
>> 
>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>> 
>> Bill Horne
>> Moderator
>> 
>> -- 
>> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
>> Not sent from an iPhone.
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> 

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 18 17:09:25 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:09:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re:  Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>

I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.

I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
place and see exactly what is there.? So someone in the NW needs to 
contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
see what else is there.

I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
shipped. I will pay shipping.? These units are military & rugged, so 
packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)

Thanks,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA??? 31J30

Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
 ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
(also chief TTY op & repairman)

www.antiquewireless.org



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
Date: 	Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
From: 	Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: 	greenkeys at mailman.qth.net



I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
I'll give him a call.

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> >From Telecom Digest
>
>
> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>
> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>
> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>
> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
> from my cell phone.
>
> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>
> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
> offered. Thanks in advance.
>
> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
> over there too. TIA.
>
> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>
> Bill Horne
> Moderator
>


From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 18 17:10:50 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:10:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re:  Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>

Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.

Duncan

On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>
> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
> place and see exactly what is there.? So someone in the NW needs to 
> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
> see what else is there.
>
> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
> shipped. I will pay shipping.? These units are military & rugged, so 
> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA??? 31J30
>
> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
> ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>
> www.antiquewireless.org
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:???? Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
> Date:???? Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
> From:???? Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> To:???? greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>
>
> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
> I'll give him a call.
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>> >From Telecom Digest
>>
>>
>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>
>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>
>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>
>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>> from my cell phone.
>>
>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>
>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>> over there too. TIA.
>>
>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>
>> Bill Horne
>> Moderator
>>
>


From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 17:26:17 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 15:26:17 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <368CC411-03A0-43AD-B599-7F4FB69E63C5@icloud.com>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
	<368CC411-03A0-43AD-B599-7F4FB69E63C5@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <06723922-43A5-495F-B729-0AAD59E941D8@comcast.net>



"someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.?  That is a tall order I think.  Just recently George was overwhelmed with Pete Lancashire?s estate and lost his shirt on that deal. Nobody wanted the stuff. At least that?s what it looked like to me.

If somebody wants to do this, I?ll chip in for expenses. Contact me off list

Paul

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
> 
> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
> 
> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA    31J30
> 
> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>  Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
> 
> www.antiquewireless.org
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
> Date: 	Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
> From: 	Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> To: 	greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
> 
> 
> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
> I'll give him a call.
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>> From Telecom Digest
>> 
>> 
>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>> 
>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>> 
>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>> 
>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>> 
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>> 
>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>> from my cell phone.
>> 
>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>> 
>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>> over there too. TIA.
>> 
>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>> 
>> Bill Horne
>> Moderator
>> 
> 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 18 17:30:09 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:30:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <485d1e08-b49b-9360-289a-95f3ba95d751@tapr.org>
References: <5ab02eae00c096f0aba52759cb5c2661.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<321E9387-7822-4C70-944A-1A0B88E31699@comcast.net>
	<01bf01d5fd4f$5acd8600$10689200$@gmail.com>
	<65768596-73D3-4B71-9A99-02CE6F9B3708@comcast.net>
	<485d1e08-b49b-9360-289a-95f3ba95d751@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <eb1bbd3e-c91c-97c7-5650-4de049a1bb0d@earthlink.net>


On 18-Mar-20 14:22, John, W9DDD wrote:
> ?Also there was an Electrocom TU, couldn't make out the model number.
>
Its an Electrocom Model 402DL.
I would like it for the AWA Museum, if no one else wants it.

Duncan

From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 18:31:59 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 15:31:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <06723922-43A5-495F-B729-0AAD59E941D8@comcast.net>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
	<368CC411-03A0-43AD-B599-7F4FB69E63C5@icloud.com>
	<06723922-43A5-495F-B729-0AAD59E941D8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3d0eebd87f074be182b926b0eca28f45.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

I will also contribute to saving stuff from the dumpster. If no one claims
stuff, do you think RTTY Electronics would take it?

Harold


>
>
> "someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what
> we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.???  That is a tall order I
> think.  Just recently George was overwhelmed with Pete Lancashire???s
> estate and lost his shirt on that deal. Nobody wanted the stuff. At least
> that???s what it looked like to me.
>
> If somebody wants to do this, I???ll chip in for expenses. Contact me off
> list
>
> Paul
>
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has,
>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He
>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it
>> up.
>>
>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the
>> place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to
>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and
>> see what else is there.
>>
>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and
>> shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so
>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>> USASA    31J30
>>
>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>  Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>
>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>> Date: 	Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>> From: 	Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>> To: 	greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA
>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>> I'll give him a call.
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>
>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>
>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>
>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>
>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>> from my cell phone.
>>>
>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>
>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>
>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>
>>> Bill Horne
>>> Moderator
>>>
>>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 18 18:33:52 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:33:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
	<de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f5181d2-c7dc-75ed-ce82-7c8f40357bc8@tapr.org>

If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I would like 
to have it.  I can them make an RO available to someone.  I have all the 
other pieces.

John, W9DDD

On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
> 
> Duncan
> 
> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>
>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
>> place and see exactly what is there.? So someone in the NW needs to 
>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
>> see what else is there.
>>
>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
>> shipped. I will pay shipping.? These units are military & rugged, so 
>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>> USASA??? 31J30
>>
>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>> ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>
>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:???? Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>> Date:???? Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>> From:???? Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>> To:???? greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>> I'll give him a call.
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>
>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>
>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>
>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>
>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>> from my cell phone.
>>>
>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>
>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>
>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>
>>> Bill Horne
>>> Moderator
>>>
>>
> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 18 18:41:48 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:41:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <6f5181d2-c7dc-75ed-ce82-7c8f40357bc8@tapr.org>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
	<de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>
	<6f5181d2-c7dc-75ed-ce82-7c8f40357bc8@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <38518bda-db8a-8e9d-cd67-70a3f0056582@tapr.org>

Oh and of course help with travel expenses.

John, W9DDD

On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I would like 
> to have it.? I can them make an RO available to someone.? I have all the 
> other pieces.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>
>> Duncan
>>
>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
>>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
>>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it 
>>> up.
>>>
>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
>>> place and see exactly what is there.? So someone in the NW needs to 
>>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
>>> see what else is there.
>>>
>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.? These units are military & rugged, so 
>>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>> USASA??? 31J30
>>>
>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>> ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>
>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:???? Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>> Date:???? Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>> From:???? Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>> To:???? greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>
>>> Duncan
>>> K2OEQ
>>>
>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>
>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>
>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>
>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>
>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>
>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>
>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>
>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>
>>>> Bill Horne
>>>> Moderator
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Wed Mar 18 18:51:02 2020
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 22:51:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 in Colorado Springs
References: <1306782866.553870.1584571862955.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1306782866.553870.1584571862955@mail.yahoo.com>

Thought maybe I'd repost this. ?Rescued a Model 28 but?I'm not into 28s personally.? Looks pretty clean & has spare gearset for 100WPM. ?Maybe someone would like this?
WayneWB4OGM
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 15:45:58 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:45:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
Message-ID: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
been used.

Harold

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From andrewsofbg at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 19:29:22 2020
From: andrewsofbg at gmail.com (craig andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 16:29:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <3d0eebd87f074be182b926b0eca28f45.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <3d0eebd87f074be182b926b0eca28f45.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <30DA2154-DEF2-4ECF-9C4A-9F41EF1B4605@gmail.com>

Are there any photos?  How big a truck are we talkn??

I helped load up Pete lancashire?s estate into George?s truck, there was enough stuff there to satisfy the local interest for years to come.

my wife may let me go, but pretty sure she would not let me come home ?which further increases the cost of ownership.

Regards

Craig

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I will also contribute to saving stuff from the dumpster. If no one claims
> stuff, do you think RTTY Electronics would take it?
> 
> Harold
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> "someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what
>> we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.?  That is a tall order I
>> think.  Just recently George was overwhelmed with Pete Lancashire?s
>> estate and lost his shirt on that deal. Nobody wanted the stuff. At least
>> that?s what it looked like to me.
>> 
>> If somebody wants to do this, I?ll chip in for expenses. Contact me off
>> list
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has,
>>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He
>>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it
>>> up.
>>> 
>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the
>>> place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to
>>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and
>>> see what else is there.
>>> 
>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and
>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so
>>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>> USASA    31J30
>>> 
>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>> Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>> 
>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:    Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>> Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>> From:    Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>> To:    greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA
>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>> I'll give him a call.
>>> 
>>> Duncan
>>> K2OEQ
>>> 
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>> Moderator
>>>>> 
>>> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 19:31:30 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 16:31:30 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <30DA2154-DEF2-4ECF-9C4A-9F41EF1B4605@gmail.com>
References: <3d0eebd87f074be182b926b0eca28f45.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<30DA2154-DEF2-4ECF-9C4A-9F41EF1B4605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3003bc075cf5b2dadf4d43c4002d5aa2.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

The photos are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/

Harold


> Are there any photos?  How big a truck are we talkn????
>
> I helped load up Pete lancashire???s estate into George???s truck, there
> was enough stuff there to satisfy the local interest for years to come.
>
> my wife may let me go, but pretty sure she would not let me come home
> ???which further increases the cost of ownership.
>
> Regards
>
> Craig
>
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ???I will also contribute to saving stuff from the dumpster. If no one
>> claims
>> stuff, do you think RTTY Electronics would take it?
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up
>>> what
>>> we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.???  That is a tall order
>>> I
>>> think.  Just recently George was overwhelmed with Pete Lancashire???s
>>> estate and lost his shirt on that deal. Nobody wanted the stuff. At
>>> least
>>> that???s what it looked like to me.
>>>
>>> If somebody wants to do this, I???ll chip in for expenses. Contact me
>>> off
>>> list
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has,
>>>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He
>>>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the
>>>> place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to
>>>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and
>>>> see what else is there.
>>>>
>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and
>>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so
>>>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>> USASA    31J30
>>>>
>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>> Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>
>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:    Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>> Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>> From:    Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>> To:    greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA
>>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>
>>>> Duncan
>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their
>>>>>> manuals
>>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures
>>>>>> downloaded
>>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a
>>>>>> model
>>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is
>>>>>> near
>>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>
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From me at networkguy.com  Wed Mar 18 19:46:23 2020
From: me at networkguy.com (Ken Wiebe)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 16:46:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re:  Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
	<de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6dadadba-d14d-4aac-a7ba-821c3d1f9fcb@www.fastmail.com>

> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.

That's weird because it seems like that would put him in Washington instead of Oregon.

:-)


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 14:10, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
> 
> Duncan
> 
> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
> > I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
> > doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
> > doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
> >
> > I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
> > place and see exactly what is there.? So someone in the NW needs to 
> > contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
> > see what else is there.
> >
> > I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
> > shipped. I will pay shipping.? These units are military & rugged, so 
> > packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> > USASA??? 31J30
> >
> > Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
> > ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
> > (also chief TTY op & repairman)
> >
> > www.antiquewireless.org
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject:???? Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
> > Date:???? Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
> > From:???? Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> > To:???? greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
> > Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
> > I'll give him a call.
> >
> > Duncan
> > K2OEQ
> >
> > On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> >> >From Telecom Digest
> >>
> >>
> >> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
> >> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
> >> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
> >> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
> >>
> >> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
> >> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
> >> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
> >> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
> >>
> >> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
> >>
> >> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
> >>
> >> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> >>
> >> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
> >> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
> >> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
> >> from my cell phone.
> >>
> >> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
> >> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
> >>
> >> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
> >> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
> >> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
> >> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
> >> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
> >> offered. Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
> >> over there too. TIA.
> >>
> >> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
> >>
> >> Bill Horne
> >> Moderator
> >>
> >
> 
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 19:51:50 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:51:50 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>

Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I?ve never taken the cover off one, but I?m guess this is what would be inside.

Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?

Paul


> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
> 
> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
> been used.
> 
> Harold
> 
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From DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 20:02:01 2020
From: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com (David Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:02:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6916CD4A-750A-4798-B293-ACB03316B1A1@aol.com>

I am new to GreenKeys but I spotted a Chad Box in the pictures.  I am working to restore a Model 33 and would love to get it.  Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles and would be an 18 hour drive (each way).  Willing to contribute to recover it.  This type of place is almost magical with the history it contains.

Dave
N6DBO

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:51, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I?ve never taken the cover off one, but I?m guess this is what would be inside.
> 
> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>> been used.
>> 
>> Harold
>> 
>> -- 
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From DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 20:02:01 2020
From: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com (David Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:02:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6916CD4A-750A-4798-B293-ACB03316B1A1@aol.com>

I am new to GreenKeys but I spotted a Chad Box in the pictures.  I am working to restore a Model 33 and would love to get it.  Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles and would be an 18 hour drive (each way).  Willing to contribute to recover it.  This type of place is almost magical with the history it contains.

Dave
N6DBO

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:51, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I?ve never taken the cover off one, but I?m guess this is what would be inside.
> 
> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>> been used.
>> 
>> Harold
>> 
>> -- 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 18 20:05:07 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 19:05:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3A6FAAC2-580E-499A-8F59-D1C7F9CD8887@tapr.org>

Didn't see previous post either.  This has a WU look to it.  They seemed to use Freed transformers?   I have a sort of similar looking unit that came out a WU badges 28.  I set it aside since it used an autotransformer.  Prefer to have complete isolation from power line.

John, W9DDD


> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I?ve never taken the cover off one, but I?m guess this is what would be inside.
> 
> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>> been used.
>> 
>> Harold
>> 
>> -- 
>> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Wed Mar 18 20:10:50 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:10:50 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re:  Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <6dadadba-d14d-4aac-a7ba-821c3d1f9fcb@www.fastmail.com>
References: <6dadadba-d14d-4aac-a7ba-821c3d1f9fcb@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <500F958F-67CA-4444-BD8A-25C9560B0FC4@K6YIC.com>

25 miles NE of Astoria?  My parents live in Astoria, wish I was going up there soon but with all the shenanigans going on I won?t make it up there for a few months.  But they have a warehouse and would probably store some items temporarily if needed.  

Daniel K6YIC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:48, Ken Wiebe <me at networkguy.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>> 
>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
> 
> That's weird because it seems like that would put him in Washington instead of Oregon.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 14:10, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>> 
>> Duncan
>> 
>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
>>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
>>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>> 
>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
>>> place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to 
>>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
>>> see what else is there.
>>> 
>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so 
>>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>> USASA    31J30
>>> 
>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>   Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>> 
>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:     Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>> Date:     Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>> From:     Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>> To:     greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>> I'll give him a call.
>>> 
>>> Duncan
>>> K2OEQ
>>> 
>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>> 
>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>> 
>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>> 
>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>> 
>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>> 
>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>> 
>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>> 
>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>> 
>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Horne
>>>> Moderator
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 20:14:41 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:14:41 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <3A6FAAC2-580E-499A-8F59-D1C7F9CD8887@tapr.org>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
	<3A6FAAC2-580E-499A-8F59-D1C7F9CD8887@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <f9ef04c823274875f9fe783bd21daf60.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

The previous email bounced due to attachment size. The box has a "Property
of Associated Press" label on it. Originally I only saw the outside
photos. Once we see the inside photos, it's clearly a loop supply.

Harold

> Didn't see previous post either.  This has a WU look to it.  They seemed
> to use Freed transformers?   I have a sort of similar looking unit that
> came out a WU badges 28.  I set it aside since it used an autotransformer.
>  Prefer to have complete isolation from power line.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I???ve never
>> taken the cover off one, but I???m guess this is what would be inside.
>>
>> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply
>>> to
>>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>>> been used.
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>> --
>>> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
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From DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 20:31:36 2020
From: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com (David Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:31:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <6916CD4A-750A-4798-B293-ACB03316B1A1@aol.com>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
	<6916CD4A-750A-4798-B293-ACB03316B1A1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B3CC3429-0EAB-46F9-8782-BA898A72093D@aol.com>

Oops!  I just noticed that I posted this on the wrong thread.  My apologies.

Have a nice day!
Dave
N6DBO

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 17:02, David Ouwerkerk via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I am new to GreenKeys but I spotted a Chad Box in the pictures.  I am working to restore a Model 33 and would love to get it.  Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles and would be an 18 hour drive (each way).  Willing to contribute to recover it.  This type of place is almost magical with the history it contains.
> 
> Dave
> N6DBO
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:51, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I?ve never taken the cover off one, but I?m guess this is what would be inside.
>> 
>> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
>>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>>> been used.
>>> 
>>> Harold
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
>>> Not sent from an iPhone.<20200310_202707.jpg><20200310_202701.jpg><20200310_202650.jpg>______________________________________________________________
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From DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 20:31:36 2020
From: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com (David Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:31:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <6916CD4A-750A-4798-B293-ACB03316B1A1@aol.com>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
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Oops!  I just noticed that I posted this on the wrong thread.  My apologies.

Have a nice day!
Dave
N6DBO

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 17:02, David Ouwerkerk via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I am new to GreenKeys but I spotted a Chad Box in the pictures.  I am working to restore a Model 33 and would love to get it.  Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles and would be an 18 hour drive (each way).  Willing to contribute to recover it.  This type of place is almost magical with the history it contains.
> 
> Dave
> N6DBO
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:51, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I?ve never taken the cover off one, but I?m guess this is what would be inside.
>> 
>> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
>>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>>> been used.
>>> 
>>> Harold
>>> 
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From DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 20:33:11 2020
From: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com (David Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:33:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re:  Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <500F958F-67CA-4444-BD8A-25C9560B0FC4@K6YIC.com>
References: <6dadadba-d14d-4aac-a7ba-821c3d1f9fcb@www.fastmail.com>
	<500F958F-67CA-4444-BD8A-25C9560B0FC4@K6YIC.com>
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I am new to GreenKeys but I spotted a Chad Box in the pictures.  I am working to restore a Model 33 and would love to get it.  Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles and would be an 18 hour drive (each way).  Willing to contribute to recover it.  This type of place is almost magical with the history it contains.

Dave
N6DBO

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 17:10, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
> 
> 25 miles NE of Astoria?  My parents live in Astoria, wish I was going up there soon but with all the shenanigans going on I won?t make it up there for a few months.  But they have a warehouse and would probably store some items temporarily if needed.  
> 
> Daniel K6YIC
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:48, Ken Wiebe <me at networkguy.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>>> 
>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>> 
>> That's weird because it seems like that would put him in Washington instead of Oregon.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 14:10, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>> 
>>> Duncan
>>> 
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
>>>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
>>>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>>> 
>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
>>>> place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to 
>>>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
>>>> see what else is there.
>>>> 
>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
>>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so 
>>>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>> USASA    31J30
>>>> 
>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>  Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>> 
>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:     Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>> Date:     Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>> From:     Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>> To:     greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
>>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>> 
>>>> Duncan
>>>> K2OEQ
>>>> 
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>> Moderator
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 20:33:11 2020
From: DaveOuwerkerk at aol.com (David Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:33:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re:  Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <500F958F-67CA-4444-BD8A-25C9560B0FC4@K6YIC.com>
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I am new to GreenKeys but I spotted a Chad Box in the pictures.  I am working to restore a Model 33 and would love to get it.  Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles and would be an 18 hour drive (each way).  Willing to contribute to recover it.  This type of place is almost magical with the history it contains.

Dave
N6DBO

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 17:10, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
> 
> 25 miles NE of Astoria?  My parents live in Astoria, wish I was going up there soon but with all the shenanigans going on I won?t make it up there for a few months.  But they have a warehouse and would probably store some items temporarily if needed.  
> 
> Daniel K6YIC
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 16:48, Ken Wiebe <me at networkguy.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>>> 
>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>> 
>> That's weird because it seems like that would put him in Washington instead of Oregon.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 14:10, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>> 
>>> Duncan
>>> 
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, 
>>>> doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He 
>>>> doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>>> 
>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the 
>>>> place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to 
>>>> contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and 
>>>> see what else is there.
>>>> 
>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
>>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so 
>>>> packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>> USASA    31J30
>>>> 
>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>  Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>> 
>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:     Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>> Date:     Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>> From:     Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>> To:     greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
>>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>> 
>>>> Duncan
>>>> K2OEQ
>>>> 
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>> From Telecom Digest
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>> Moderator
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From shumaker at att.net  Wed Mar 18 21:16:18 2020
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:16:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <38518bda-db8a-8e9d-cd67-70a3f0056582@tapr.org>
References: <cdccfde0-0548-a28f-8943-9f394cb4763d@earthlink.net>
	<870946f9-4301-c7d3-e08a-a5d96fcafccf@earthlink.net>
	<de786aee-676a-d6a0-9f8d-9fec9b4ece7d@earthlink.net>
	<6f5181d2-c7dc-75ed-ce82-7c8f40357bc8@tapr.org>
	<38518bda-db8a-8e9d-cd67-70a3f0056582@tapr.org>
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On 3/18/2020 3:41 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Oh and of course help with travel expenses.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I would 
>> like to have it.? I can them make an RO available to someone.? I have 
>> all the other pieces.
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>>
>>> Duncan
>>>
>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he 
>>>> has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good 
>>>> home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't 
>>>> help pack it up.
>>>>
>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see 
>>>> the place and see exactly what is there.? So someone in the NW 
>>>> needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we 
>>>> Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
>>>>
>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and 
>>>> shipped. I will pay shipping.? These units are military & rugged, 
>>>> so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>> USASA??? 31J30
>>>>
>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>> ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>
>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:???? Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>> Date:???? Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>> From:???? Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>> To:???? greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA 
>>>> Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>
>>>> Duncan
>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>
>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All 
>>>>> are
>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is 
>>>>> near
>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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I'm down in CA? but could help with costs to claim the 33s that were 
mentioned.

Steve




From DJones at K6YIC.com  Wed Mar 18 21:21:32 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:21:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <3050e579-6fc0-aa7b-e849-cd9a595b8f6c@att.net>
References: <3050e579-6fc0-aa7b-e849-cd9a595b8f6c@att.net>
Message-ID: <75267D00-C820-411F-B94E-832D72B9A8B5@K6YIC.com>

I would be willing to assist with costs also.  

Daniel K6YIC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 18:17, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?On 3/18/2020 3:41 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> Oh and of course help with travel expenses.
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
>>> On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I would like to have it.  I can them make an RO available to someone.  I have all the other pieces.
>>> 
>>> John, W9DDD
>>> 
>>> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>>> 
>>>> Duncan
>>>> 
>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>>> USASA    31J30
>>>>> 
>>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>>   Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject:     Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>>> Date:     Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>>> From:     Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To:     greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Duncan
>>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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> 
> I'm down in CA  but could help with costs to claim the 33s that were mentioned.
> 
> Steve
> 
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From die at dieconsulting.com  Wed Mar 18 21:39:58 2020
From: die at dieconsulting.com (David I. Emery)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:39:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <20200319013957.GB21701@pig.dieconsulting.com>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:45:58PM -0700, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply to
> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
> been used.

	AFAIK the solid state VFT mux demod boxes used by AP and UPI
replaced a polar relay and DC 110 V 60 MA loop supply.    The polar
relay was driven by +-20 MA over a copper pair phone loop to the CO, and
in many places more than one customer was in series on that copper loop.
The polar relay switched a local 60 MA on off keying loop with the
selector magnets of the model 15 or 20 machine(s)  on it.

	The power supply in the photos looks like one of the loop power
supplies used for wire service machines in that era.

	IIRC the wire service VFT modem boxes (late 60's transistor and
IC construction) contained a solid state loop keyer and did not use the
original polar relay or the original loop power supply.   The polar
relays were a constant source of problems as they developed contact and
adjustment issues that caused increased bias distortion  which resulted
in  garble on the wire copy requiring replacement or repair and
readjustment. By the late 60s solid state loop keyers were available and
much more reliable.

	In the polar relay DC telegraph circuit era it was often true
that the actual wire service bit stream came via a huge rack mounted 
vacuum tube VFT FSK demodulator (wireline carrier tone telegraph
terminal) located at the serving telco central office that took a VFT
signal on an internal telco  voice circuit and decoded a particular FSK
tone pair with a particular AP or UPI wire and routed it out one or more
+-20 ma polar copper telegraph loops to the AP and UPI subscribers.   
This technology was more practical and reliable than long copper DC long
distance telegraph circuits and of course worked fine over most of the
various FDM-SSB carrier systems of the day - providing several wire
service telegraph circuits on one carrier voice channel instead using
multiple long distance copper pairs.

	The wire services eventually decided it would be cheaper and
more reliable to replace the leased local DC telegraph loops for each
wire with one or more of the VFT demod boxes... and lease audio circuits
that eventually had 22 or 24 different "wires" on one leased voicegrade
data circuit.   This allowed adding wires at a customer site (or
removing them) without requiring any telco changes or circuit
reconfiguration.

	And it got rid of a problem with the series polar loop with
multiple polar relays in series at different customers ... namely that
if any of the machines or one of the  polar relays was disconnected for
moving to a new location  or maintenance the whole loop could go open
causing all the machines  on the loop to stop printing... which of
course not just impacted YOUR station newsroom but all the other ones in
town - often resulting in angry calls from your neighbors on the circuit ... 


  

> 
> Harold
> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 22:11:19 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 19:11:19 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <20200319013957.GB21701@pig.dieconsulting.com>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<20200319013957.GB21701@pig.dieconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <7f6f8bd1a5944d2f57c69fb496c4b198.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


>
> 	The wire services eventually decided it would be cheaper and
> more reliable to replace the leased local DC telegraph loops for each
> wire with one or more of the VFT demod boxes... and lease audio circuits
> that eventually had 22 or 24 different "wires" on one leased voicegrade
> data circuit.   This allowed adding wires at a customer site (or
> removing them) without requiring any telco changes or circuit
> reconfiguration.

When I started in broadcasting (1970) our wire service machine had a demod
sitting on the shelf under the model 15. You could listen on the line and
hear a bunch of FSK channels. The loop supply was built into the demod.

Harold



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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Mar 18 20:03:27 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:03:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Associated Press box
In-Reply-To: <FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
References: <d701d9790d1537d319c1ce3bb1aefe38.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<FFC6AAFC-D16C-4980-AFC0-8B3AC37C8B14@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e183555319a481344810a4eb68f45584.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

My first email on this bounced due to attachment size. Attached is the
most important image of the first group. At that point, I had only seen
the outside of the box. Someone sent me an email asking if I knew what it
was. From the outside of the box, it was difficult to tell. From the
inside of the box, it sure looks like a loop supply!

Harold

> Was probably on a model 19. I see the silenium rectifier. I???ve never
> taken the cover off one, but I???m guess this is what would be inside.
>
> Was there a discussion about this that I missed? More photos from where?
>
> Paul
>
>
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just received more photos. It definitely looks like a DC loop supply
>> to
>> me. When I worked in radio, there was a demodulator with built-in loop
>> supply on the shelf under the model 15. Not sure where this would have
>> been used.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> --
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From davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca  Thu Mar 19 08:54:22 2020
From: davidmontgomery1953 at eastlink.ca (Dave)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 08:54:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] rtty converter
Message-ID: <7c6919f9-6e6a-ddbe-937f-f8b4c6da2b8b@eastlink.ca>

hello again, i'm still looking for a converter to go with my Lorenz 
lo15, anyone in ontario area have something they wanna part with?

thanks/Dave VE3ZDB


From DJones at K6YIC.com  Thu Mar 19 19:25:32 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:25:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Got my 28KSR going
Message-ID: <BDB1BE03-0E02-4EF7-B977-8E6CE0CFE349@K6YIC.com>

I have my 28KSR going.  It?s feeding RTTY.com from an iPad through a 600ohm transformer to a CV483.  I will try to attach a small video. 

Daniel K6YIC

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From shumaker at att.net  Thu Mar 19 20:34:59 2020
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:34:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Teletypes in NW Oregon
In-Reply-To: <75267D00-C820-411F-B94E-832D72B9A8B5@K6YIC.com>
References: <3050e579-6fc0-aa7b-e849-cd9a595b8f6c@att.net>
	<75267D00-C820-411F-B94E-832D72B9A8B5@K6YIC.com>
Message-ID: <dda21224-410a-2903-f1fb-06506574cacf@att.net>

It doesn't look like my offer to assist with funding and hands on for 
this made it to the list last night.? I'm in CA, could probably with 
sufficient notice, come assist with moving/packing etc. as well as 
contribute to expenses.?? I'd like the 33s if they haven't been spoken for.

Steve Shumaker

Boulder Creek


On 3/18/2020 6:21 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
> I would be willing to assist with costs also.
>
> Daniel K6YIC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 18:17, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?On 3/18/2020 3:41 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>> Oh and of course help with travel expenses.
>>>
>>> John, W9DDD
>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I would like to have it.  I can them make an RO available to someone.  I have all the other pieces.
>>>>
>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>>>> USASA    31J30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>>>    Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:     Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>>>> Date:     Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>>>> From:     Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To:     greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>>>
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>> I'm down in CA  but could help with costs to claim the 33s that were mentioned.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 19 20:51:24 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:51:24 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
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Well... I stated my interest early on for the 33 TWX and 32 TELEX. For me the TWX system is the more important of the two. I don?t need the 32 if someone else really wants it.

Most people want a 33 to connect to a computer via an ASCII connection. Neither of the ones I want would be useful for that (the TWX could be, but you would need to change a lot of parts, some of which are hard to get). Someone else said there was a third stock 33 (which would be useful for connecting to a computer) in the photos. I?m not interested in that one, but somebody did say they were interested (I forget who).

Paul



> On Mar 19, 2020, at 6:34 PM, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
> 
> It doesn't look like my offer to assist with funding and hands on for this made it to the list last night.  I'm in CA, could probably with sufficient notice, come assist with moving/packing etc. as well as contribute to expenses.   I'd like the 33s if they haven't been spoken for.
> 
> Steve Shumaker
> 
> Boulder Creek
> 
> 
> On 3/18/2020 6:21 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
>> I would be willing to assist with costs also.
>> 
>> Daniel K6YIC
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 18:17, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net <mailto:shumaker at att.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 3/18/2020 3:41 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>> Oh and of course help with travel expenses.
>>>> 
>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>>> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I would like to have it.  I can them make an RO available to someone.  I have all the other pieces.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a good home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he couldn't help pack it up.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to see the place and see exactly what is there.  So someone in the NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up and shipped. I will pay shipping.  These units are military & rugged, so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>>>>> USASA    31J30
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>>>>   Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject:     Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>>>>> Date:     Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>>>>> From:     Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To:     greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the AWA Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their manuals
>>>>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. All are
>>>>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance depot, and
>>>>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. There
>>>>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures downloaded
>>>>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, a model
>>>>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, and all
>>>>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: this is a
>>>>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear is near
>>>>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting him to
>>>>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and post this
>>>>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>>>> 
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>>> I'm down in CA  but could help with costs to claim the 33s that were mentioned.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Thu Mar 19 21:01:55 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:01:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Got my 28KSR going
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It?s just a straight audio feed from RTTY.com.  It does go through a Hammond 8ohm to 600ohm transformer and directly to the CV-483.  I will hook it to my old receivers next.  

For a power supply I am using an HP6634A for the loop supply.  

Daniel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 17:30, Ralph Irish <w8roi at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Daniel
> 
> Looks like a winner!  What software or app are you using on the iPad?  Or are you just using
> it as a source of audio?  Either way, great job!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ralph - W8ROI
> 
> -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
>> 
>> I have my 28KSR going.  It?s feeding RTTY.com from an iPad through a 600ohm transformer to a CV483.  I will try to attach a small video. 
>> 
>> Daniel K6YIC
>> 
>> <Video.mov>
>> 
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From shumaker at att.net  Thu Mar 19 21:36:31 2020
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:36:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
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I hadn't seen any descriptions other than? "33s'?? and yes I saw some of 
your emails last night...? I'd only be interested in the "stock 33" if 
it wasn't spoken for? (and my email of last night never posted so 
today's time stamp would be the important one).

Still willing to help though!

Steve

On 3/19/2020 5:51 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
> Well... I stated my interest early on for the 33 TWX and 32 TELEX. For 
> me the TWX system is the more important of the two. I don?t need the 
> 32 if someone else really wants it.
>
> Most people want a 33 to connect to a computer via an ASCII 
> connection. Neither of the ones I want would be useful for that (the 
> TWX could be, but you would need to change a lot of parts, some of 
> which are hard to get). Someone else said there was a third stock 33 
> (which would be useful for connecting to a computer) in the photos. 
> I?m not interested in that one, but somebody did say they were 
> interested (I forget who).
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 6:34 PM, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net 
>> <mailto:shumaker at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't look like my offer to assist with funding and hands on for 
>> this made it to the list last night.? I'm in CA, could probably with 
>> sufficient notice, come assist with moving/packing etc. as well as 
>> contribute to expenses.?? I'd like the 33s if they haven't been 
>> spoken for.
>>
>> Steve Shumaker
>>
>> Boulder Creek
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/2020 6:21 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
>>> I would be willing to assist with costs also.
>>>
>>> Daniel K6YIC
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 18:17, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net 
>>>> <mailto:shumaker at att.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?On 3/18/2020 3:41 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>>> Oh and of course help with travel expenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>>>> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I 
>>>>>> would like to have it. ?I can them make an RO available to 
>>>>>> someone. ?I have all the other pieces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he 
>>>>>>>> has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a 
>>>>>>>> good home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he 
>>>>>>>> couldn't help pack it up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to 
>>>>>>>> see the place and see exactly what is there. ?So someone in the 
>>>>>>>> NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we 
>>>>>>>> Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up 
>>>>>>>> and shipped. I will pay shipping. ?These units are military & 
>>>>>>>> rugged, so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>>>>>> USASA ???31J30
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>>>>> ??Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>>>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.antiquewireless.org <http://www.antiquewireless.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>>> Subject: ????Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>>>>>> Date: ????Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>>>>>> From: ????Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> To: ????greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the 
>>>>>>>> AWA Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>>>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>>>>>>> <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their 
>>>>>>>>> manuals
>>>>>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. 
>>>>>>>>> All are
>>>>>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance 
>>>>>>>>> depot, and
>>>>>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. 
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures 
>>>>>>>>> downloaded
>>>>>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, 
>>>>>>>>> a model
>>>>>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, 
>>>>>>>>> and all
>>>>>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: 
>>>>>>>>> this is a
>>>>>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear 
>>>>>>>>> is near
>>>>>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting 
>>>>>>>>> him to
>>>>>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and 
>>>>>>>>> post this
>>>>>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm down in CA ?but could help with costs to claim the 33s that 
>>>> were mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From shumaker at att.net  Thu Mar 19 21:36:31 2020
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:36:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
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References: <3050e579-6fc0-aa7b-e849-cd9a595b8f6c@att.net>
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I hadn't seen any descriptions other than? "33s'?? and yes I saw some of 
your emails last night...? I'd only be interested in the "stock 33" if 
it wasn't spoken for? (and my email of last night never posted so 
today's time stamp would be the important one).

Still willing to help though!

Steve

On 3/19/2020 5:51 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
> Well... I stated my interest early on for the 33 TWX and 32 TELEX. For 
> me the TWX system is the more important of the two. I don?t need the 
> 32 if someone else really wants it.
>
> Most people want a 33 to connect to a computer via an ASCII 
> connection. Neither of the ones I want would be useful for that (the 
> TWX could be, but you would need to change a lot of parts, some of 
> which are hard to get). Someone else said there was a third stock 33 
> (which would be useful for connecting to a computer) in the photos. 
> I?m not interested in that one, but somebody did say they were 
> interested (I forget who).
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 6:34 PM, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net 
>> <mailto:shumaker at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't look like my offer to assist with funding and hands on for 
>> this made it to the list last night.? I'm in CA, could probably with 
>> sufficient notice, come assist with moving/packing etc. as well as 
>> contribute to expenses.?? I'd like the 33s if they haven't been 
>> spoken for.
>>
>> Steve Shumaker
>>
>> Boulder Creek
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/2020 6:21 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
>>> I would be willing to assist with costs also.
>>>
>>> Daniel K6YIC
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 18:17, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net 
>>>> <mailto:shumaker at att.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?On 3/18/2020 3:41 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>>> Oh and of course help with travel expenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/18/2020 5:33 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>>>>> If there is actually a loose 28 typing unit in this batch, I 
>>>>>> would like to have it. ?I can them make an RO available to 
>>>>>> someone. ?I have all the other pieces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/18/2020 4:10 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> Forgot to mention: David said he is about 25 miles NE of Astoria.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 17:09, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> I spoke to David Mercado briefly today. He doesn't know what he 
>>>>>>>> has, doesn't want any money for it, just wants it to go to a 
>>>>>>>> good home. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, but also said he 
>>>>>>>> couldn't help pack it up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I told him folks at Greenkeys were trying to get together to 
>>>>>>>> see the place and see exactly what is there. ?So someone in the 
>>>>>>>> NW needs to contact him & arrange to start picking up what we 
>>>>>>>> Geenkeyers want and see what else is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will need help getting the TT-30/AGA-1 & AN/TGC-29 packed up 
>>>>>>>> and shipped. I will pay shipping. ?These units are military & 
>>>>>>>> rugged, so packing shouldn't be too critical (other than weight)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>>>>>> USASA ???31J30
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
>>>>>>>> ??Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>>>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.antiquewireless.org <http://www.antiquewireless.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>>> Subject: ????Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in NW Oregon
>>>>>>>> Date: ????Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:32 -0400
>>>>>>>> From: ????Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> To: ????greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm Interested in the AN/TGC-29 & TT-30/AGA-1 machines for the 
>>>>>>>> AWA Museum, but would have to figure out shipping.
>>>>>>>> I'll give him a call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18-Mar-20 12:08, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >From Telecom Digest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>>>>>>> <c564ea87-637b-4bf9-91d2-644a4b3b6dfd at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 8 Mar 2020 20:42:44 -0700
>>>>>>>>> From: David Mercado <invalid at see-text.telecom-digest.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [telecom] Teletype machines
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just bought a property and some Teletype machines and their 
>>>>>>>>> manuals
>>>>>>>>> and paper rolls were left behind and came with it in the sale. 
>>>>>>>>> All are
>>>>>>>>> available. Items are near the Nortwest Oregon area, near Astoria.
>>>>>>>>> Anyone can feel free to reach out to me at 503-706-7323.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please, phone calls only on initial contact, no texts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do not reply on this forum as I do not intend to check it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Mercado seems to have bought some sort of maintenance 
>>>>>>>>> depot, and
>>>>>>>>> he sent me a lot of pictures of the things that are available. 
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> may be other machines, but I couldn't get all the pictures 
>>>>>>>>> downloaded
>>>>>>>>> from my cell phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pictures show a TELEX, a TWX, and a plain 33 ASR machine, 
>>>>>>>>> a model
>>>>>>>>> 14, and a Model 35 ASR, plus various kinds of test equipment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neither I nor the Telecome Digest can guarantee these units, 
>>>>>>>>> and all
>>>>>>>>> the usual caveats apply. No money has or will change hands: 
>>>>>>>>> this is a
>>>>>>>>> notice for the readers only. If anyone who knows Teletype gear 
>>>>>>>>> is near
>>>>>>>>> the site Mr. Mercado has purchased, please consider contacting 
>>>>>>>>> him to
>>>>>>>>> visit it, and send me more details on the units which are being
>>>>>>>>> offered. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone is on the Greenkeys list, please let me know, and 
>>>>>>>>> post this
>>>>>>>>> over there too. TIA.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The images are at http://telecom-digest.org/teletype/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Horne
>>>>>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm down in CA ?but could help with costs to claim the 33s that 
>>>> were mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 09:56:52 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 07:56:52 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Got my 28KSR going
In-Reply-To: <BDB1BE03-0E02-4EF7-B977-8E6CE0CFE349@K6YIC.com>
References: <BDB1BE03-0E02-4EF7-B977-8E6CE0CFE349@K6YIC.com>
Message-ID: <452142E2-F55F-4CD9-BE36-121824CA56AB@comcast.net>

Thanks for sharing, Daniel. Looks good.

What made you choose to put the 600ohm transformer in the circuit? I?ve been hooking up iphones and raspberry PIs to my TUs without worrying about impedance matching, but now you have me  wondering?.  

Paul
W2TTY

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
> 
> I have my 28KSR going.  It?s feeding RTTY.com from an iPad through a 600ohm transformer to a CV483.  I will try to attach a small video. 
> 
> Daniel K6YIC
> 
> <Video.mov>
> 
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 15:20:17 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:20:17 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
Message-ID: <7E61B6B0-D95D-4C67-BF54-52104EE84AE7@comcast.net>

I?m thinking of building one of these for bench top experimentation purposes that I can also use as a teletype loop supply if needed. Anyone see something I?m not seeing at first glance that indicates it might not work as a loop supply?  

I can buy one (actually already did thanks to earlier suggestion from several greenkeyers), but I thought it might be fun to build one.  


https://tinyurl.com/r9vj7lc

Now I need to look in the mirror and ask ?really? You think have time for this??   I?m afraid of the answer :-)



Paul
W2TTY



From wcwuttke at att.net  Fri Mar 20 15:55:13 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:55:13 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
References: <123F9C05-7E40-4631-8747-E64FB783D2C6.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <123F9C05-7E40-4631-8747-E64FB783D2C6@att.net>

Paul,

Here?s my version of a DIY loop supply. Switchable resistors for 20, 30, or 60 ma. 0-125 VDC. I used this for testing my TT-192A. One of these days I?ll put it in a box.

Bill
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Fri Mar 20 15:55:13 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:55:13 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
References: <123F9C05-7E40-4631-8747-E64FB783D2C6.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <123F9C05-7E40-4631-8747-E64FB783D2C6@att.net>

Paul,

Here?s my version of a DIY loop supply. Switchable resistors for 20, 30, or 60 ma. 0-125 VDC. I used this for testing my TT-192A. One of these days I?ll put it in a box.

Bill
KE3BK




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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 16:01:26 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:01:26 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
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Now that looks cool!

Paul
W2TTY


> On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:55 PM, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Here?s my version of a DIY loop supply. Switchable resistors for 20, 30, or 60 ma. 0-125 VDC. I used this for testing my TT-192A. One of these days I?ll put it in a box.
> 
> Bill
> KE3BK
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Mar 20 16:01:15 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:01:15 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
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References: <7E61B6B0-D95D-4C67-BF54-52104EE84AE7@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <d6ed1dea3905480f12db1725075d58e8.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


> I???m thinking of building one of these for bench top experimentation
> purposes that I can also use as a teletype loop supply if needed. Anyone
> see something I???m not seeing at first glance that indicates it might not
> work as a loop supply?
>
> I can buy one (actually already did thanks to earlier suggestion from
> several greenkeyers), but I thought it might be fun to build one.
>
>
> https://tinyurl.com/r9vj7lc
>
> Now I need to look in the mirror and ask ???really? You think have time
> for this????   I???m afraid of the answer :-)
>
>
>
> Paul
> W2TTY


Interesting design. Looks good for vacuum tube experimentation, but seems
like overkill for a loop supply. A transformer, rectifier, capacitor, and
power resistor to set the current is probably sufficient for a loop
supply. That photo of the Associated Press box I sent earlier is typical.
It had a transformer, selenium rectifier, capacitor, and resistor. Since
line voltage variation is minimal, and load current is minimal, it doesn't
appear we need any regulator.

Harold


-- 
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Not sent from an iPhone.

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 20 16:04:20 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:04:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
In-Reply-To: <7E61B6B0-D95D-4C67-BF54-52104EE84AE7@comcast.net>
References: <7E61B6B0-D95D-4C67-BF54-52104EE84AE7@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <95d5308f-fa0e-afae-1830-220e021c838e@earthlink.net>

Paul,

Overkill for a loop supply, but nice to have as a general purpose, 
adjustable, HV supply.

I would add a fuse and use neons for the indicator lamps, with the HV 
lamp wired directly to the HV output. Also, the current meter is not 
going to be any more accurate than the 1 ohm shunt resistor, so it 
should be 5% or better.


Have fun,

Duncan


On 20-Mar-20 15:20, Paul Heller wrote:
> I?m thinking of building one of these for bench top experimentation purposes that I can also use as a teletype loop supply if needed. Anyone see something I?m not seeing at first glance that indicates it might not work as a loop supply?
>
> I can buy one (actually already did thanks to earlier suggestion from several greenkeyers), but I thought it might be fun to build one.
>
>
> https://tinyurl.com/r9vj7lc
>
> Now I need to look in the mirror and ask ?really? You think have time for this??   I?m afraid of the answer :-)
>
>
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Mar 20 16:04:31 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:04:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: Oregon Teletypes]
Message-ID: <4eb879127ebbd9d90cc18635d340724b.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

If anyone is looking for a home for Teletype parts, here it is! And, a
great place to get Teletype parts.

I think Paul is doing a great service for us.

Harold

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Oregon Teletypes
From:    "mr_rtty" <mr_rtty at pacbell.net>
Date:    Thu, March 19, 2020 12:41 pm
To:      harold at w6iwi.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Harold
FYI   I would be interested in any Teletype parts.
Paul

RTTY Electronics
PO Box 20101
El Sobrante, CA 94820

510-222-3102

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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 16:15:54 2020
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:15:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Supposed telex machine but I think it is
 a TWX machine
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Supposed telex machine but I think
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From w4ewh at outlook.com  Fri Mar 20 16:29:30 2020
From: w4ewh at outlook.com (Bill Horne)
Date: 20 Mar 2020 16:29:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] DIY loop supply?
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On 3/20/2020 3:55 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Here?s my version of a DIY loop supply. Switchable resistors for 20, 
> 30, or 60 ma. 0-125 VDC. I used this for testing my TT-192A. One of 
> these days I?ll put it in a box.
>
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
>
>
>

I've had good results using 7805 linear regulators in "constant current" 
configuration, with the addition of a reverse-biased diode across the 
output to prevent damage from inductive kickback. FWIW. YMMV.


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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sat Mar 21 15:10:56 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:10:56 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-2460
Message-ID: <D07E0BE5-2FFA-4D25-A689-38F07A93CBC3@K6YIC.com>


Anyone using a CV-2460?  I have the manual but if someone already has one hooked up I would love to know exactly what terminals are used on the terminal board for half-duplex and audio inputs.  If no one has it I will wire it up based on the manual (there are multiple ways). 

Daniel K6YIC


Sent from my iPhone

From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sat Mar 21 16:58:49 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:58:49 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-2460
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I figured that the 200hz spacing on narrow would be close enough.  The CV-483 picks up and demodulates 170hz spacing on narrow so I figured the 2460 would act the same, correct me if I am wrong.  

My plan is to integrate it with my Kenwood TS-570.  Maybe my TCS but I doubt it has the duty cycle for anything other then short messages for fun.

Daniel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 13:35, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have one wired into my patch panels. I?d have to look in the manual to tell you connections so you can do that. Don?t forget to connect the proper jumpers on 2-3 boards. 
> 
> Where are you going to use it?
> Does Clatternet use 850 shift??
> 
> Cheers
> Nick
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 3:11 PM Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone using a CV-2460?  I have the manual but if someone already has one hooked up I would love to know exactly what terminals are used on the terminal board for half-duplex and audio inputs.  If no one has it I will wire it up based on the manual (there are multiple ways). 
>> 
>> Daniel K6YIC
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Mar 21 20:12:16 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 20:12:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
Message-ID: <CAPK6WsdxupTKCcOg5=Da6e86=FUqCn1YVch=A7FyRFtRK6KG0g@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious, does anyone know of a video showing someone actually using a
Hal ST-6 TU, or something similar?

There's a Rtty contest going on, and I'd like to see, if anything, just to
be able to copy some RTTY to a real teletype. I spent the day fiddling with
radio stuff and have a magnetic loop set up in the back yard (MFJ-1786). I
have that hooked up to my Yaesu 857D, and on 20 meters I'm occasionally
seeing rtty signals, but it seems like the noise level alone triggers the
hal into printing gibberish. Not sure if my 857 can cleanly filter out just
the rtty signal, especially with the loop being very finicky. (I could prob
just clip lead a random wire outside if need be.

Naturally FLdigi has no problem picking out the rtty through the mic of a
webcam.

Oh and FYI this appears to be the RTTY contest:
http://bartg.org.uk/wp/bartg-hf-rtty-contest/

Thanks!

Jeff KC3GJX
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From wa3frp at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 20:20:08 2020
From: wa3frp at gmail.com (Russ Miller)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 20:20:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Jeff,

I've used my HAL  ST-6 Demodulators in many contests.  What specific
questions do you have?

The 60 ma loop supply is incorporated within the ST-6.  Audio input from
your receiver is marked on the back of the ST-6.

Depending on the version, your ST-6 might contain an ASFK generator...

Contact me here or at wa3frp at gmail.com for more.

73

Russ

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:12 PM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Just curious, does anyone know of a video showing someone actually using a
> Hal ST-6 TU, or something similar?
>
> There's a Rtty contest going on, and I'd like to see, if anything, just to
> be able to copy some RTTY to a real teletype. I spent the day fiddling with
> radio stuff and have a magnetic loop set up in the back yard (MFJ-1786). I
> have that hooked up to my Yaesu 857D, and on 20 meters I'm occasionally
> seeing rtty signals, but it seems like the noise level alone triggers the
> hal into printing gibberish. Not sure if my 857 can cleanly filter out just
> the rtty signal, especially with the loop being very finicky. (I could prob
> just clip lead a random wire outside if need be.
>
> Naturally FLdigi has no problem picking out the rtty through the mic of a
> webcam.
>
> Oh and FYI this appears to be the RTTY contest:
> http://bartg.org.uk/wp/bartg-hf-rtty-contest/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 21 21:02:15 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:02:15 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Jeff,

I have used the ST-6 on HF occasionally.? If the ST-6 is triggering on 
Noise, you may be driving the ST-6 with too much audio.

With the meter in the TUNE position, you should be able to get a half 
scale reading on an AFSK signal and little or no reading on noise.

Also, make sure the audio filters are tuned to the right frequencies.

Good Luck & have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 21-Mar-20 20:12, Jeff G wrote:
> Just curious, does anyone know of a video showing someone actually 
> using a Hal ST-6 TU, or something similar?
>
> There's a Rtty contest going on, and I'd like to see, if anything, 
> just to be able to copy some RTTY to a real teletype. I spent the day 
> fiddling with radio stuff and have a magnetic loop set up in the back 
> yard (MFJ-1786). I have that hooked up to my Yaesu 857D, and on 20 
> meters I'm occasionally seeing rtty signals, but it seems like the 
> noise level alone triggers the hal into printing gibberish. Not sure 
> if my 857 can cleanly filter out just the rtty signal, especially with 
> the loop being very finicky. (I could prob just clip lead a random 
> wire outside if need be.
>
> Naturally FLdigi has no problem picking out the rtty through the mic 
> of a webcam.
>
> Oh and FYI this appears to be the RTTY contest: 
> http://bartg.org.uk/wp/bartg-hf-rtty-contest/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 22:07:04 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:07:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-2460
In-Reply-To: <85A7F517-F30D-4E80-BCEE-EFD03FD1EFA7@K6YIC.com>
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The CV-2460 uses fixed frequency phase shift filters for 850 shift (HF
1575/2425) or 200 shift (UHF 500/700). These feed a product detector
designed for these frequencies - I don't know how well it'll work on
receive for 170 shift - it won't be right but it might work.
For transmit you'd have to modify the oscillator on the A3 board - maybe
the trim pots would let you get 170,  maybe not.

The CV-483 circuit is quite different and the "narrow" discriminator can
handle 170 shift (or anything between 10-200 Hz)

That's a longabout way of saying "I don't really know". I only use my
CV-2460 as designed, for 850 shift.

Let us know how it works.
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 4:58 PM Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com> wrote:

> I figured that the 200hz spacing on narrow would be close enough.  The
> CV-483 picks up and demodulates 170hz spacing on narrow so I figured the
> 2460 would act the same, correct me if I am wrong.
>
> My plan is to integrate it with my Kenwood TS-570.  Maybe my TCS but I
> doubt it has the duty cycle for anything other then short messages for fun.
>
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 13:35, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I have one wired into my patch panels. I?d have to look in the manual to
> tell you connections so you can do that. Don?t forget to connect the proper
> jumpers on 2-3 boards.
>
> Where are you going to use it?
> Does Clatternet use 850 shift??
>
> Cheers
> Nick
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 3:11 PM Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone using a CV-2460?  I have the manual but if someone already has one
>> hooked up I would love to know exactly what terminals are used on the
>> terminal board for half-duplex and audio inputs.  If no one has it I will
>> wire it up based on the manual (there are multiple ways).
>>
>> Daniel K6YIC
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Mar 21 22:45:18 2020
From: djones at k6yic.com (djones at k6yic.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:45:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] CV-2460
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Interesting information.  I will mess around with it, if its only good 
for communicating with other Military gear I am fine with that.  We will 
see what happens.  Thanks again for the information.

Daniel


On 2020-03-21 19:07, Nick England wrote:
> The CV-2460 uses fixed frequency phase shift filters for 850 shift (HF
> 1575/2425) or 200 shift (UHF 500/700). These feed a product detector
> designed for these frequencies - I don't know how well it'll work on
> receive for 170 shift - it won't be right but it might work.
> 
> For transmit you'd have to modify the oscillator on the A3 board -
> maybe the trim pots would let you get 170,  maybe not.
> 
> The CV-483 circuit is quite different and the "narrow" discriminator
> can handle 170 shift (or anything between 10-200 Hz)
> 
> That's a longabout way of saying "I don't really know". I only use my
> CV-2460 as designed, for 850 shift.
> 
> Let us know how it works.
> 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com [1]
> 
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 4:58 PM Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com> wrote:
> 
>> I figured that the 200hz spacing on narrow would be close enough.
>> The CV-483 picks up and demodulates 170hz spacing on narrow so I
>> figured the 2460 would act the same, correct me if I am wrong.
>> 
>> My plan is to integrate it with my Kenwood TS-570.  Maybe my TCS but
>> I doubt it has the duty cycle for anything other then short messages
>> for fun.
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 13:35, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> I have one wired into my patch panels. I?d have to look in the
>> manual to tell you connections so you can do that. Don?t forget to
>> connect the proper jumpers on 2-3 boards.
>> 
>> Where are you going to use it?
>> Does Clatternet use 850 shift??
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 3:11 PM Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone using a CV-2460?  I have the manual but if someone already
>> has one hooked up I would love to know exactly what terminals are
>> used on the terminal board for half-duplex and audio inputs.  If no
>> one has it I will wire it up based on the manual (there are multiple
>> ways).
>> 
>> Daniel K6YIC
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Mar 21 23:01:24 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 23:01:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9A4B4B61-C8FD-4043-8529-7D3CD1FAA39E@junknet.net>

Yep, that was one of a few issues, and thanks to you and Russel I got it sorted out:

1. I didnt realize RTTY uses LSB, even on 20 meters.

2. I had the st-6 on AM mode

3. Radio was turned up too loud (from trying to pick up weak stations)

4. 857D radio?s 500hz cw filter appears to be fixed at a center freq of 1700hz. As such, when I tried to tune the station up to 2125(ish) for the hal, the filter cut it out.

Correct me if Im wrong on that last one, but I saw the freq response showing on fldigi?s waterfall.

Thanks all!

Jeff KC3GJX

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Jeff,
> 
> I have used the ST-6 on HF occasionally.  If the ST-6 is triggering on Noise, you may be driving the ST-6 with too much audio.
> 
> With the meter in the TUNE position, you should be able to get a half scale reading on an AFSK signal and little or no reading on noise.
> 
> Also, make sure the audio filters are tuned to the right frequencies.
> 
> Good Luck & have fun,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
> 
>> On 21-Mar-20 20:12, Jeff G wrote:
>> Just curious, does anyone know of a video showing someone actually using a Hal ST-6 TU, or something similar?
>> 
>> There's a Rtty contest going on, and I'd like to see, if anything, just to be able to copy some RTTY to a real teletype. I spent the day fiddling with radio stuff and have a magnetic loop set up in the back yard (MFJ-1786). I have that hooked up to my Yaesu 857D, and on 20 meters I'm occasionally seeing rtty signals, but it seems like the noise level alone triggers the hal into printing gibberish. Not sure if my 857 can cleanly filter out just the rtty signal, especially with the loop being very finicky. (I could prob just clip lead a random wire outside if need be.
>> 
>> Naturally FLdigi has no problem picking out the rtty through the mic of a webcam.
>> 
>> Oh and FYI this appears to be the RTTY contest: http://bartg.org.uk/wp/bartg-hf-rtty-contest/
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Jeff KC3GJX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 09:42:39 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 08:42:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On Sat, 21 Mar 2020, Jeffrey Golas wrote:

> 1. I didnt realize RTTY uses LSB, even on 20 meters.
>
That's merely a convention, from the early days, before SSB.  Most 
demodulators have a reversing switch in case the tones are reversed from 
what they might be.  With DSP demodulators we started out with LSB being 
normal for RTTY, but USB was expected for all the other modes, so the 
reversing switch was changed to make USB normal for all modes on all 
bands.

Jim W6JVE

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 09:58:24 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 09:58:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
"Low Space Means Fine Teletype"

Nick K4NYW
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sun Mar 22 11:49:54 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:49:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Hi Gang 

Back when the Signal One CX-7 transceiver was new, it was one of the first to have an FSK position on the 
Mode switch. It turned out, though, that although it was 'true FSK' they had the shift backwards. Prior to 
the CX-7, maybe only Central Electronics had FSK available, with the 100V and 200V models. Don't know 
how that one worked as far as 'frontwards/backwards'. They might have had a reversing switch for this, but I 
don't know. I've only seen them on swap tables. 

I suspect that most who used RTTY with the CX-7 did it with AFSK and had to use the 'low tones' due to 
the filtering in the i.f. and other circuitry. 

73, 

Ralph - W8ROI 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> 
To: "Jeffrey Golas" <jeffg at junknet.net> 
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:42:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times 

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020, Jeffrey Golas wrote: 

> 1. I didnt realize RTTY uses LSB, even on 20 meters. 
> 
That's merely a convention, from the early days, before SSB. Most 
demodulators have a reversing switch in case the tones are reversed from 
what they might be. With DSP demodulators we started out with LSB being 
normal for RTTY, but USB was expected for all the other modes, so the 
reversing switch was changed to make USB normal for all modes on all 
bands. 

Jim W6JVE 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Mar 22 13:18:47 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:18:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain tobacco 
company?

John, W9DDD

On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
> 
> Nick K4NYW
> 
> 
> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Mar 22 13:42:23 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:42:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain tobacco
> company?
>
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
>>
>> Nick K4NYW

I remember LSMFT also. I added FSK circuitry to my Viking Ranger 50 years
ago. And, since we generally run LSB on 80 and 40 meters, the receiver
flipped the frequencies giving a high space on AFSK.

Harold



-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 14:59:02 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:59:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>
> I remember LSMFT also. I added FSK circuitry to my Viking Ranger 50 years
> ago. And, since we generally run LSB on 80 and 40 meters, the receiver
> flipped the frequencies giving a high space on AFSK.
>
The earliest amateur RTTY was done at VHF using AFSK, and there the mark
tone is the lower of the two.  So terminal units (demodulators) were 
designed for mark low.  But when FSK was allowed at HF the standard there
(established already by non-amateur users of FSK) was low space.  So
with pre-SSB equipment you put the BFO on the high side of the carrier
frequency, which made the audio come out mark low.

Jim W6JVE

From w8roi at wowway.com  Sun Mar 22 15:17:30 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <46ebe4a69a3639b10737aadeabb2203f.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
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I still have the outboard FSK unit sitting on a shelf. I made it to use with my DX35, I think it was. 
I used it on the east coast 3637.5 Autostart Circuit for a number of years. At some point, the majority 
of the group went on 40M to some 'standard' frequency for the summer months, claiming to have 
better propagation for the majority of the group. 

I was using a TMS Military Receiver that had 'plug in drawers' for various freq. ranges. I had only 
the one that covered 80M, so I sat out in the summer. The receiver was crystal controlled, and one 
could slightly 'rubber' the freq a bit if needed. The BFO could also be crystal locked to make it 
even more steady/stable for environmental temp shifts which always happened in 'winter-summer' 
transitions. The BFO also had a slight adjustment, so there was no reason for me not go have near- 
perfect copy as long as the signal strength was OK. 

One local guy, who was a 'CW Only' guy, wanted to work me for some certficate. I got on the RTTY 
channel and used the key to make a short QSO with him so we could exchange QSL cards and make 
him eligible for the certificate. I did warn him that it would be 'strange CW' since he was not 
expecting narrow FSK! 

Sure as heck, several of the participants made comments about the 'disturbnce' they noted, and were 
able to read both of our calls. I simply did not have a crystal to plug in or I would have used it. If I 
had thought of it I would have cranked the power down as much as possible since the guy was under 
a mile from me. 

Ah, the 'good old days!!' 

Ralph - W8ROI 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "Harold Hallikainen" <harold at w6iwi.org> 
To: "W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org> 
Cc: "Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:42:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times 


> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain tobacco 
> company? 
> 
> John, W9DDD 
> 
> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote: 
>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused, 
>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands - 
>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype" 
>> 
>> Nick K4NYW 

I remember LSMFT also. I added FSK circuitry to my Viking Ranger 50 years 
ago. And, since we generally run LSB on 80 and 40 meters, the receiver 
flipped the frequencies giving a high space on AFSK. 

Harold 




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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 16:19:05 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:19:05 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? I don't remember the details but it seems to me that in the 
early days of spark keying was done by detuning the arc thus 
shifting its frequency. So, what was on the air was a sort of 
FSK. Nothing is new.

On 3/22/2020 12:17 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
> I still have the outboard FSK unit sitting on a shelf.? I made 
> it to use with my DX35, I think it was.
> I used it on the east coast 3637.5 Autostart Circuit for a 
> number of years.? At some point, the majority
> of the group went on 40M to some 'standard' frequency for the 
> summer months, claiming to have
> better propagation for the majority of the group.
>
> I was using a TMS Military Receiver that had 'plug in drawers' 
> for various freq. ranges.? I had only
> the one that covered 80M, so I sat out in the summer.? The 
> receiver was crystal controlled, and one
> could slightly 'rubber' the freq a bit if needed.? The BFO 
> could also be crystal locked to make it
> even more steady/stable for environmental temp shifts which 
> always happened in 'winter-summer'
> transitions.? The BFO also had a slight adjustment, so there 
> was no reason for me not go have near-
> perfect copy as long as the signal strength was OK.
>
> One local guy, who was a 'CW Only' guy, wanted to work me for 
> some certficate.? I got on the RTTY
> channel and used the key to make a short QSO with him so we 
> could exchange QSL cards and make
> him eligible for the certificate.? I did warn him that it would 
> be 'strange CW' since he was not
> expecting narrow FSK!
>
> Sure as heck, several of the participants made comments about 
> the 'disturbnce' they noted, and were
> able to read both of our calls.? I simply did not have a 
> crystal to plug in or I would have used it.? If I
> had thought of it I would have cranked the power down as much 
> as possible since the guy was under
> a mile from me.
>
> Ah, the 'good old days!!'
>
> Ralph - W8ROI
>
>

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 16:23:38 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:23:38 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
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 ?? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", "Its 
Toasted" ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to 
one", "So firm, so full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the 
draw". Anyone remember Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I 
am giving away my age.

On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain 
> tobacco company?
>
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
>>
>> Nick K4NYW
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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From jdangus at att.net  Sun Mar 22 16:47:03 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:47:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On 3/22/20 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> Anyone remember Jack Benny
The 1920's radio network plays Jack Benny at lunchtime during
the week and in the evening on the weekend.
I also have the full set from Old Time Radio on CDs.

-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Mar 22 16:54:40 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:54:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <076751a3-b6c9-23cd-16c1-7c17cb686605@att.net>
References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
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Do they include the commercials as they originally aired?  Sometimes 
that is a hoot.  There's a TV channel that used to air old shows like 
the old B&W What's My Line and include the commercials.  I haven't seen 
them running the old ones lately.

John, W9DDD

On 3/22/2020 3:47 PM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> On 3/22/20 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>> Anyone remember Jack Benny
> The 1920's radio network plays Jack Benny at lunchtime during
> the week and in the evening on the weekend.
> I also have the full set from Old Time Radio on CDs.
> 

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Mar 22 17:25:21 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:25:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <0d5014d8-2b4f-4d1f-b2b2-686d4f7a138a@ix.netcom.com>
References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
	<9A4B4B61-C8FD-4043-8529-7D3CD1FAA39E@junknet.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
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I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here.  Yes, Jack Benny, 
The hit parade etc.  Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 cycle 
vertical rate.  15,750 kc fly back transformer.  "Lucky Strike Means 
Fine Tobacco"  Does that brand even exist these days?

John, W9DDD

On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>  ?? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", "Its Toasted" 
> ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So firm, so 
> full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone remember 
> Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away my age.
> 
> On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain 
>> tobacco company?
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
>>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
>>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
>>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
>>>
>>> Nick K4NYW
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From dave at horsfall.org  Sun Mar 22 17:30:33 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:30:33 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, John, W9DDD wrote:

> I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here.  Yes, Jack Benny, 
> The hit parade etc.  Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 cycle 
> vertical rate.  15,750 kc fly back transformer.  "Lucky Strike Means 
> Fine Tobacco" Does that brand even exist these days?

You had 525 lines?  We only had 405 of them back in Merry Olde England...

-- Dave VK2KFU

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 18:08:52 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:08:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Richard Knoppow wrote:

> ?? I don't remember the details but it seems to me that in the early days of 
> spark keying was done by detuning the arc thus shifting its frequency. So, 
> what was on the air was a sort of FSK. Nothing is new.
>
Spark was done with on/off keying, but the Poulsen arc transmitters could
not easily be started and stopped so they shifted the frequency to send
telegraphy.

Moving on to the era of vacuum tube technology, E. H. Armstrong proposed
FSK for telegraphy in 1928.  This was well before he worked out the
principles of wide band FM for broadcasting speech and music.  About
the same time Schmitt of Teletype got a patent on FSK for radio
telegraphy.  Both of these inventors proposed limiterless two-tone
detection rather than FM detection, hoping that noise would affect mark
and space channels equally and would cancel out, while the desired signal
would be detected as mark or space.

From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Sun Mar 22 18:10:30 2020
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:10:30 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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From: Dave Horsfall [dave at horsfall.org] -- Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:30 PM

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, John, W9DDD wrote:

> You had 525 lines?  We only had 405 of them back in Merry Olde England...

I thought it was 522, but we got that using interleaving.  So each (half) frame only had 261 lines, but successive (half) frames were bounced vertically by half the spacing between the lines within each (half) frame.  To get 525, you have to assume alternate (half) frames had 262 and 263 lines.  Lovely, but it worked.  The jitter in the alignment of successive (half) frames was done by coming out of "ultrablack" at the start of one (half) frame but in mid-scan-line on the next (half) frame.  Ultrablack was the voltage level on the video signal used for syncing the horizontal and vertical sawtooth oscillators.  Additional details included the front porch and back porch on each sync signal, providing a black frame around each frame of the image.

              Doug Jones
              jones at cs.uiowa.edu

(also old enough to remember all those tobacco ads)

From w8au at sssnet.com  Sun Mar 22 18:33:34 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:33:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Back before 1952 LSMFT meant "Lord, Save Me from Truman." (I remember that
as 10 year old.)

Perry  w8au

>  ???? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", "Its
> Toasted" ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to
> one", "So firm, so full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the
> draw". Anyone remember Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I
> am giving away my age.
>
> On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain
>> tobacco company?
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
>>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
>>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
>>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
>>>
>>> Nick K4NYW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
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>>>
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> --
> Richard Knoppow
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> WB6KBL
>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 18:40:16 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:40:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? There are many "What's My Line" shows on You Tube many with 
the original commercials. Those folks coming into our living room 
in formal clothes was great.
 ?? I mentioned just now that many old radio shows are available 
at archive.org Many of these also have the original commercials. 
The exceptions being the shows from AFRS transcriptions. Some 
shows had commercials built in, for instance Jack Benny and 
Fibber McGee and Molly. Hard to remove them because they were 
part of the show. In general, I think the quality of old radio 
was superior to television at any time.
 ??? Note that most of these recordings were "reference" 
recordings made for legal purposes. Transcriptions were seldom 
used on the air, at least by networks, until ABC began to tape 
record shows for time zone delay around 1946. However, that was 
getting close to the end of network entertainment radio. TV 
killed it very quickly. While some network shows persisted until 
about 1960 most were gone by the mid-1950s. Advertisers did not 
have budgets large enough for both radio and TV so radio had to go.
 ?? This is all very OT here so I will shut up about it but I 
suppose being fascinated with Teletype indicates a certain sort 
of mind interested in the past.

On 3/22/2020 1:54 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Do they include the commercials as they originally aired?? 
> Sometimes that is a hoot.? There's a TV channel that used to 
> air old shows like the old B&W What's My Line and include the 
> commercials.? I haven't seen them running the old ones lately.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 3/22/2020 3:47 PM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>> On 3/22/20 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>> Anyone remember Jack Benny
>> The 1920's radio network plays Jack Benny at lunchtime during
>> the week and in the evening on the weekend.
>> I also have the full set from Old Time Radio on CDs.
>>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 18:46:15 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:46:15 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? 405 line TV was used here experimentally in the 1930s. 
Commercial TV in the U.S. had a false start around 1940. Only a 
few stations got commercial licenses. It was then decided it was 
too early so the real starting date was the end of 1948. In Los 
Angeles there were two experimental stations that got commercial 
calls around 1940, W6XAO which became KTSL, later KNX-T now 
KCBS-TV and W6XYZ, which became KTLA. Both had fairly regular 
schedules until stopped by the war. There were other experimental 
stations, especially around the late 1920s but none survived.

On 3/22/2020 2:30 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, John, W9DDD wrote:
>
>> I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here.? Yes, 
>> Jack Benny, The hit parade etc.? Black and white 525 
>> horizontal lines, 60 cycle vertical rate.? 15,750 kc fly back 
>> transformer.? "Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco" Does that 
>> brand even exist these days?
>
> You had 525 lines?? We only had 405 of them back in Merry Olde 
> England...
>
> -- Dave VK2KFU
> ______________________________________________________________
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 18:46:46 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:46:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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525 lines per frame in the US. 485 visible lines.
Each field was 262-1/2 lines of which 242-1/2 were visible (vertical
blanking interval was 20 lines)
If you didn?t generate the equalizing and serration pulses in the vertical
interval correctly, the interlace would be very slightly off. I could tell
because I really knew this stuff way back when I designed a computer
graphics display system that was dead on spec.
NTSC. Never Twice the Same Color

625 lines outside the US for PAL and SECAM.

Nick


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:10 PM Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
wrote:

> From: Dave Horsfall [dave at horsfall.org] -- Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:30 PM
>
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, John, W9DDD wrote:
>
> > You had 525 lines?  We only had 405 of them back in Merry Olde England...
>
> I thought it was 522, but we got that using interleaving.  So each (half)
> frame only had 261 lines, but successive (half) frames were bounced
> vertically by half the spacing between the lines within each (half) frame.
> To get 525, you have to assume alternate (half) frames had 262 and 263
> lines.  Lovely, but it worked.  The jitter in the alignment of successive
> (half) frames was done by coming out of "ultrablack" at the start of one
> (half) frame but in mid-scan-line on the next (half) frame.  Ultrablack was
> the voltage level on the video signal used for syncing the horizontal and
> vertical sawtooth oscillators.  Additional details included the front porch
> and back porch on each sync signal, providing a black frame around each
> frame of the image.
>
>               Doug Jones
>               jones at cs.uiowa.edu
>
> (also old enough to remember all those tobacco ads)
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From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:51:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? 525 line with two 262.5 frames. I had always thought it was 
done to reduce flicker but in fact it was a method of reducing 
bandwidth.
 ?? One of the great fights patent holders had with the FCC was 
choosing the synchronizing method.
 ?? All this history is buried on the web in a few places. I 
spent 30 years of my life in network TV. I don't have a set in 
the house.

On 3/22/2020 3:10 PM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> From: Dave Horsfall [dave at horsfall.org] -- Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:30 PM
>
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, John, W9DDD wrote:
>
>> You had 525 lines?  We only had 405 of them back in Merry Olde England...
> I thought it was 522, but we got that using interleaving.  So each (half) frame only had 261 lines, but successive (half) frames were bounced vertically by half the spacing between the lines within each (half) frame.  To get 525, you have to assume alternate (half) frames had 262 and 263 lines.  Lovely, but it worked.  The jitter in the alignment of successive (half) frames was done by coming out of "ultrablack" at the start of one (half) frame but in mid-scan-line on the next (half) frame.  Ultrablack was the voltage level on the video signal used for syncing the horizontal and vertical sawtooth oscillators.  Additional details included the front porch and back porch on each sync signal, providing a black frame around each frame of the image.
>
>                Doug Jones
>                jones at cs.uiowa.edu
>
> (also old enough to remember all those tobacco ads)
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sun Mar 22 18:52:36 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:52:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was, 

"So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy on the draw." 

or was it, 

"So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw?" 

Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember "Lucky Strike Green"? 

Ralph - w8roi 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org> 
To: "Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times 

I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here. Yes, Jack Benny, 
The hit parade etc. Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 cycle 
vertical rate. 15,750 kc fly back transformer. "Lucky Strike Means 
Fine Tobacco" Does that brand even exist these days? 

John, W9DDD 

On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote: 
> A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", "Its Toasted" 
> ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So firm, so 
> full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone remember 
> Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away my age. 
> 
> On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote: 
>> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain 
>> tobacco company? 
>> 
>> John, W9DDD 
>> 
>> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote: 
>>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused, 
>>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands - 
>>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype" 
>>> 
>>> Nick K4NYW 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From jdangus at att.net  Sun Mar 22 18:54:48 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:54:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On 3/22/20 4:25 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> "Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco"??? Does that brand even exist
> these days?
In late 2006, both the Full Flavored and Light filtered varieties of
*Lucky Strike cigarettes*were discontinued in North America.
However,*Lucky Strike*continued to have marketing and distribution
support in territories controlled by BAT as a global brand. ...*Lucky
Strike*currently has a small base of smokers.

-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
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From tomas at tlec.se  Sun Mar 22 19:33:16 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:33:16 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unidentified PCB in a 33ASR
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Dear group.

Can anyone identify this card in an European version of a model 33ASR

The card is marked BS292 on the sticker, on the back of the card there is a
text "TZ-197"

 

The Orange/White cable goes to Connector 1, cavity 6

The Grey ones goes to connector 12 on the motorcontroller BS263 and other
places as well

The Purple/White one goes to connector 6 cavity14,  connector 1 on the tape
reader card, and some more places as well

The Blue cable  goes to Connector 1, cavity 1

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From jdangus at att.net  Sun Mar 22 20:28:45 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:28:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On 3/22/20 5:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
> Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember? "Lucky
> Strike Green"?
The bulls eye on Lucky Strike prior to WWII was green.
They switched to red, and the phrase at the time was
"Lucky Strike green goes to war."


-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 20:30:28 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:30:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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And if you want to talk about old, talk about when Lucky Strike came in
a green package.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 20:40:18 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:40:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
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	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
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 ?? You have it right although it may have been fully packed.? I 
mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had 
friends who smoked Camels and always banged the pack to settle 
the tobacco. Luckies never leaked.

On 3/22/2020 3:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
> I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was,
>
> ??????? "So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy 
> on the draw."
>
> ????????????????????????????????????or was it,
>
> ??????? "So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy 
> on the draw?"
>
> Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember? "Lucky 
> Strike Green"?
>
> Ralph -? w8roi
>
> -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -
>
> *From: *"W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
> *To: *"Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
>
> I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here. ?Yes, 
> Jack Benny,
> The hit parade etc. ?Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 
> cycle
> vertical rate. ?15,750 kc fly back transformer. ?"Lucky Strike 
> Means
> Fine Tobacco" ?Does that brand even exist these days?
>
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> > ??? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", 
> "Its Toasted"
> > ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So 
> firm, so
> > full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone 
> remember
> > Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away my age.
> >
> > On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> >> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain
> >> tobacco company?
> >>
> >> John, W9DDD
> >>
> >> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
> >>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
> >>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
> >>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
> >>>
> >>> Nick K4NYW
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> GreenKeys mailing list
> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
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> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> >>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> >>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> >>>
> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From kn7sfz at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 20:46:48 2020
From: kn7sfz at gmail.com (kn7sfz)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:46:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
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On 3/22/2020 5:40 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> You have it right although it may have been fully packed.? I 
> mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had 
> friends who smoked Camels and

> always banged the pack to settle the tobacco. Luckies never leaked.



Or banged the end of your smoke on the side of your shiny Zippo lighter! :-)

de kn7sfz




From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 20:46:55 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:46:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003221930110.28113@Frances>
References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
	<9A4B4B61-C8FD-4043-8529-7D3CD1FAA39E@junknet.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
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 ?? There are web sites with old magazine ads. I have not done a 
search but am pretty sure there are plenty of cigarette ads 
there. They go back to the 1920s or before when they were trying 
to get women to smoke. No one mentioned that smoking makes one 
look like Boris Karloff as "The Mummy".? I remember hearing one 
radio actress interviewed saying she was advised to smoke because 
it would deepen her voice. There was certainly a smoker's face 
but I think also a smoker's voice. I had a lady friend who 
sounded exactly like Marlene Dietrich, two packs a day.

On 3/22/2020 5:30 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> And if you want to talk about old, talk about when Lucky Strike 
> came in
> a green package.
>
> ????---
>
> ????"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
> ????"No it ain't! No it ain't!? But ya gotta know the territory."
> ??????? Meredith Willson, The Music Man
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Sun Mar 22 20:47:52 2020
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:47:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <5dcc7faf-ca77-a811-25a7-6673abd19cee@ix.netcom.com>
References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
	<9A4B4B61-C8FD-4043-8529-7D3CD1FAA39E@junknet.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
	<0d5014d8-2b4f-4d1f-b2b2-686d4f7a138a@ix.netcom.com>
	<07adc91d-7586-c97d-ec01-01009efab55f@tapr.org>
	<768278227.4044829.1584917556944.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<5dcc7faf-ca77-a811-25a7-6673abd19cee@ix.netcom.com>
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There was  Bugs Bunny short from the LSMFT era where Christopher 
Columbus is trying to get funding to sail across the sea and in his 
argument with the king about world being flat or round he exclaims, 
"She's-a round, she's-a firm, she's-a fully packed!"

73,

Doug, KA2WFT

On 3/22/2020 8:40 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>  ?? You have it right although it may have been fully packed.? I 
> mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had friends 
> who smoked Camels and always banged the pack to settle the tobacco. 
> Luckies never leaked.
> 
> On 3/22/2020 3:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
>> I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was,
>>
>> ??????? "So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy on the 
>> draw."
>>
>> ????????????????????????????????????or was it,
>>
>> ??????? "So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy on the 
>> draw?"
>>
>> Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember? "Lucky Strike Green"?
>>
>> Ralph -? w8roi
>>
>> -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -
>>
>> *From: *"W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
>> *To: *"Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
>>
>> I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here. ?Yes, Jack Benny,
>> The hit parade etc. ?Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 cycle
>> vertical rate. ?15,750 kc fly back transformer. ?"Lucky Strike Means
>> Fine Tobacco" ?Does that brand even exist these days?
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>> > ??? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", "Its 
>> Toasted"
>> > ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So firm, so
>> > full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone remember
>> > Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away my age.
>> >
>> > On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> >> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain
>> >> tobacco company?
>> >>
>> >> John, W9DDD
>> >>
>> >> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> >>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
>> >>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
>> >>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
>> >>>
>> >>> Nick K4NYW


From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 20:54:06 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:54:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <71ba4eb7-3d02-3c86-2d1a-ab049cadea0f@gmail.com>
References: <fde7ebf7-46b6-a987-91a1-f6db296357d6@earthlink.net>
	<9A4B4B61-C8FD-4043-8529-7D3CD1FAA39E@junknet.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003220838540.2833@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd3m=ZvqBBLEz2VcH48Z2P0Syg2NVvgd5sKKvOJZArFLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb7d3c00-7c86-1c69-b1c5-b3635ebdd137@tapr.org>
	<0d5014d8-2b4f-4d1f-b2b2-686d4f7a138a@ix.netcom.com>
	<07adc91d-7586-c97d-ec01-01009efab55f@tapr.org>
	<768278227.4044829.1584917556944.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<5dcc7faf-ca77-a811-25a7-6673abd19cee@ix.netcom.com>
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 ?? Since smoking was mostly a theatrical prop for me I lighted 
up using kitchen matches on my thumb like Fred MacMurray in 
"Double Indemnity".? "You'll never even make to the elevator 
Walter".

On 3/22/2020 5:46 PM, kn7sfz wrote:
>
>
> On 3/22/2020 5:40 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>> You have it right although it may have been fully packed.? I 
>> mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I 
>> had friends who smoked Camels and
>
>> always banged the pack to settle the tobacco. Luckies never 
>> leaked.
>
>
>
> Or banged the end of your smoke on the side of your shiny Zippo 
> lighter! :-)
>
> de kn7sfz
>
>
>
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sun Mar 22 20:56:05 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:56:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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To set the record straight, I personally don't remember "Lucky Strike Green". I am 'bumping' 81 in 
a few weeks, and all I remember was the red bullseye packaging. I did see a lor of references to 
the 'green' packaging, but I don't believe I ever saw one. 

My mother smoked and her favorite brand was Herbert Tarington's or something like that. It was 
a king size cigarette when most were the smaller, 'standard' size. Later on she moved to a filtered 
brand, and I don't remember what it was. 

My dad was a pipe and cigar guy. He would occasionally smoke a cigarette, but it was rare. He 
got a lot of gifts of cigars when his job dealt with salesmen, and they came home and went into a 
humidor of some kind. 

Our basement 'shop' had shelves with 'pigeonholes' he made which held about 40 cigar boxes which 
were labeled with nut and bolt sizes, washers, nails, brads, tacks, etc. I was always amazed that 
when I needed a nut for one of the axles on my bike, I could never find one. They were SAE threads 
and his 'accumulation' never had them. I had to go to the local bike shop to get them. 

For now, 

Ralph - W8ROI 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> 
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:40:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times 

You have it right although it may have been fully packed. I 
mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had 
friends who smoked Camels and always banged the pack to settle 
the tobacco. Luckies never leaked. 

On 3/22/2020 3:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote: 
> I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was, 
> 
> "So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy 
> on the draw." 
> 
> or was it, 
> 
> "So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy 
> on the draw?" 
> 
> Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember "Lucky 
> Strike Green"? 
> 
> Ralph - w8roi 
> 
> - - - - - - - - 
> 
> *From: *"W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org> 
> *To: *"Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times 
> 
> I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here. Yes, 
> Jack Benny, 
> The hit parade etc. Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 
> cycle 
> vertical rate. 15,750 kc fly back transformer. "Lucky Strike 
> Means 
> Fine Tobacco" Does that brand even exist these days? 
> 
> John, W9DDD 
> 
> On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote: 
> > A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", 
> "Its Toasted" 
> > ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So 
> firm, so 
> > full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone 
> remember 
> > Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away my age. 
> > 
> > On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote: 
> >> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain 
> >> tobacco company? 
> >> 
> >> John, W9DDD 
> >> 
> >> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote: 
> >>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused, 
> >>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands - 
> >>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype" 
> >>> 
> >>> Nick K4NYW 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:15:10 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? Herbert Taryton. I couldn't remember it. Minor brand. In 
their radio ads the announcer would shout "Herbert Taryton, 
Taryton, Taryton" a sort of vocal shaking of a fist at the 
listener. They should have given up. Someone I knew smoked them, 
they tasted like old newspaper. A google search will find 
pictures of both old (green) and new (white) LS packages. The 
green ones probably disappeared about when I was born (had 
nothing to do with it).

On 3/22/2020 5:56 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
> To set the record straight, I personally don't remember "Lucky 
> Strike Green".? I am 'bumping' 81 in
> a few weeks, and all I remember was the red bullseye 
> packaging.? I did see a lor of references to
> the 'green' packaging, but I don't believe I ever saw one.
>
> My mother smoked and her favorite brand was Herbert Tarington's 
> or something like that.? It was
> a king size cigarette when most were the smaller, 'standard' 
> size.? Later on she moved to a filtered
> brand, and I don't remember what it was.
>
> My dad was a pipe and cigar guy.? He would occasionally smoke a 
> cigarette, but it was rare.? He
> got a lot of gifts of cigars when his job dealt with salesmen, 
> and they came home and went into a
> humidor of some kind.
>
> Our basement 'shop' had shelves with 'pigeonholes'? he made 
> which held about 40 cigar boxes which
> were labeled with nut and bolt sizes, washers, nails, brads, 
> tacks, etc.? I was always amazed that
> when I needed a nut for one of the axles on my bike, I could 
> never find one.? They were SAE threads
> and his 'accumulation' never had them.? I had to go to the 
> local bike shop to get them.
>
> For now,
>
> Ralph -? W8ROI
>
> -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -
>
> *From: *"Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> *To: *greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:40:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
>
> ??? You have it right although it may have been fully packed. I
> mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had
> friends who smoked Camels and always banged the pack to settle
> the tobacco. Luckies never leaked.
>
> On 3/22/2020 3:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
> > I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was,
> >
> > ??????? "So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy
> > on the draw."
> >
> > ????????????????????????????????????or was it,
> >
> > ??????? "So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy
> > on the draw?"
> >
> > Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember? "Lucky
> > Strike Green"?
> >
> > Ralph -? w8roi
> >
> > -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -
> >
> > *From: *"W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
> > *To: *"Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> > *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
> >
> > I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here. ?Yes,
> > Jack Benny,
> > The hit parade etc. ?Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60
> > cycle
> > vertical rate. ?15,750 kc fly back transformer. ?"Lucky Strike
> > Means
> > Fine Tobacco" ?Does that brand even exist these days?
> >
> > John, W9DDD
> >
> > On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> > > ??? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT",
> > "Its Toasted"
> > > ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So
> > firm, so
> > > full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone
> > remember
> > > Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away 
> my age.
> > >
> > > On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> > >> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a 
> certain
> > >> tobacco company?
> > >>
> > >> John, W9DDD
> > >>
> > >> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
> > >>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
> > >>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
> > >>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
> > >>>
> > >>> Nick K4NYW
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> > >>> GreenKeys mailing list
> > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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> > >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> > >>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> > >>>
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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sun Mar 22 21:18:06 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:18:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
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I have a ton of old radio ads that I use with period music on my old Philco radios.  

It gives me a chuckle when I hear the old Camel ads stating that ?9 out of 10 doctors recommend camel over other leading brands for it reduced throat irritation.?  

Dan K6YIC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 17:57, Ralph Irish <w8roi at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> To set the record straight, I personally don't remember  "Lucky Strike Green".  I am 'bumping' 81 in
> a few weeks, and all I remember was the red bullseye packaging.  I did see a lor of references to
> the 'green' packaging, but I don't believe I ever saw one.
> 
> My mother smoked and her favorite brand was Herbert Tarington's or something like that.  It was
> a king size cigarette when most were the smaller, 'standard' size.  Later on she moved to a filtered
> brand, and I don't remember what it was.
> 
> My dad was a pipe and cigar guy.  He would occasionally smoke a cigarette, but it was rare.  He
> got a lot of gifts of cigars when his job dealt with salesmen, and they came home and went into a
> humidor of some kind.  
> 
> Our basement 'shop' had shelves with 'pigeonholes'  he made which held about 40 cigar boxes which
> were labeled with nut and bolt sizes, washers, nails, brads, tacks, etc.  I was always amazed that
> when I needed a nut for one of the axles on my bike, I could never find one.  They were SAE threads
> and his 'accumulation' never had them.  I had to go to the local bike shop to get them.  
> 
> For now,
> 
> Ralph -  W8ROI
> 
> -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -  
> 
> From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:40:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
> 
>     You have it right although it may have been fully packed.  I 
> mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had 
> friends who smoked Camels and always banged the pack to settle 
> the tobacco. Luckies never leaked.
> 
> On 3/22/2020 3:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
> > I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was,
> >
> >         "So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy 
> > on the draw."
> >
> >                                     or was it,
> >
> >         "So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy 
> > on the draw?"
> >
> > Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember  "Lucky 
> > Strike Green"?
> >
> > Ralph -  w8roi
> >
> > -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
> >
> > *From: *"W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
> > *To: *"Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> > *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
> >
> > I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here.  Yes, 
> > Jack Benny,
> > The hit parade etc.  Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60 
> > cycle
> > vertical rate.  15,750 kc fly back transformer.  "Lucky Strike 
> > Means
> > Fine Tobacco"  Does that brand even exist these days?
> >
> > John, W9DDD
> >
> > On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> > >     A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT", 
> > "Its Toasted"
> > > ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So 
> > firm, so
> > > full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone 
> > remember
> > > Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away my age.
> > >
> > > On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> > >> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a certain
> > >> tobacco company?
> > >>
> > >> John, W9DDD
> > >>
> > >> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
> > >>> Using Navy FSK and AFSK gear, I often get confused,
> > >>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
> > >>> "Low Space Means Fine Teletype"
> > >>>
> > >>> Nick K4NYW
> > >>>
> > >>>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 22 22:15:49 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:15:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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I'm not old enough to remember Lucky Strike in a green package, but I do
remember older people saying things like "I haven't seen that since
Lucky Strike was in a green package!" and I did see a package once
because of a WW-II era building having some partitions removed and the
workers found an empty package inside one of the walls.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From nick at navy-radio.com  Sun Mar 22 19:16:16 2020
From: nick at navy-radio.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:16:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [MRCG] Clatternet II III?
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850 shift on the air. West Coast.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Tim <timsamm at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 7:06 PM
Subject: [MRCG] Clatternet II III?

Hi Mark - I am copying your 850 cps RATT signal on 7087 just fine.  About 5
S units above my noise.
I can't TX right now, gotta sort out my old DOS laptop for my glass
terminal.  The PRC-47 and CV-2455 will
be working fine with it was before..

FYI  Tim
N6CC
______________________________________________________________
-- 
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Chapel Hill NC
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From ke5lib001 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 22:10:11 2020
From: ke5lib001 at gmail.com (Mark Hall)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:10:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
Message-ID: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>

Greets, y'all.

I remember some of the ads too. Flintstones advertised Winston cigarettes
back in better times, and we had some interesting, politically incorrect
and mildly sexist versions of the "LSMFT" ad too. One variant dealt with an
astute observation of ill fitting bra straps causing free movement of
female adipose tissue deposits, while the advertising slogan "So firm, so
full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw" seemed nicely
descriptive of a wholesome (and buxom) young woman who attracted my
interests when other guys around me deemed her too "curvy". More the fool,
them.

I am the product of family. Some of my mother's brothers returned from WW2,
Korea, and later Vietnam and  at the ripe old age of eight years old I
graduated from grape vines to Chesterfields. One uncle relished "Picayune"
and "Half and Half" cigarettes, and got me asking for the same, with both
of us esteeming Camels and other brands as "horse manure and splinters".
Since I did all manner of odd jobs and apprenticed for three of my uncles I
joined the fraternity and had no issues with my habit.

As Proverbs 27:17 states, iron sharpens iron. There is something lost along
the way to today, and I still have a weakness for soft, full figured girls.

I have a ST-6 I need to "sort out" too. Firstly, finding out which board
goes where, then finding the information for the kit build to help me
troubleshoot it I guess would be what I need to do. So count me in on this,
fellas...

Obfuscated in Okmulgee, Oklahoma,

Mark
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sun Mar 22 22:58:01 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:58:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
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FYI, there is actually ONE Hal ST-6 video on Youtube, and it happens to
talk about repairing one, going into details about board placement and what
not. Its actually a really good vid, its just a shame they didn't show much
of the actual usage of it, other than it actually working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI

Enjoy! Maybe we can do some RTTY on HF someday (if I ever get my radio
stuff sorted out).

Jeff KC3GJX

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:26 PM Mark Hall <ke5lib001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greets, y'all.
>
> I remember some of the ads too. Flintstones advertised Winston cigarettes
> back in better times, and we had some interesting, politically incorrect
> and mildly sexist versions of the "LSMFT" ad too. One variant dealt with an
> astute observation of ill fitting bra straps causing free movement of
> female adipose tissue deposits, while the advertising slogan "So firm, so
> full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw" seemed nicely
> descriptive of a wholesome (and buxom) young woman who attracted my
> interests when other guys around me deemed her too "curvy". More the fool,
> them.
>
> I am the product of family. Some of my mother's brothers returned from
> WW2, Korea, and later Vietnam and  at the ripe old age of eight years old I
> graduated from grape vines to Chesterfields. One uncle relished "Picayune"
> and "Half and Half" cigarettes, and got me asking for the same, with both
> of us esteeming Camels and other brands as "horse manure and splinters".
> Since I did all manner of odd jobs and apprenticed for three of my uncles I
> joined the fraternity and had no issues with my habit.
>
> As Proverbs 27:17 states, iron sharpens iron. There is something lost
> along the way to today, and I still have a weakness for soft, full figured
> girls.
>
> I have a ST-6 I need to "sort out" too. Firstly, finding out which board
> goes where, then finding the information for the kit build to help me
> troubleshoot it I guess would be what I need to do. So count me in on this,
> fellas...
>
> Obfuscated in Okmulgee, Oklahoma,
>
> Mark
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 22 23:01:45 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:01:45 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? I think it was Camels that advertised they were "kind to the 
T zone" meaning throat. By the time those ads ran the tobacco 
industry knew they caused cancer. Before my time was Old Gold 
with "Not a cough in a carload". You would think that if people 
associated cigarettes with coughing it would make them 
suspicious. I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired 
of yellow stained teeth?" Should have followed up with then quit 
smoking and not use whatever toothpaste it was. A friend told me 
she quit when her husband to be told her she was like kissing an 
ashtray. Smoking is the worst thing you can do to your body.
 ? ? Now from green packages to green keys.

On 3/22/2020 6:18 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
> I have a ton of old radio ads that I use with period music on 
> my old Philco radios.
>
> It gives me a chuckle when I hear the old Camel ads stating 
> that ?9 out of 10 doctors recommend camel over other leading 
> brands for it reduced throat irritation.?
>
> Dan K6YIC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 17:57, Ralph Irish <w8roi at wowway.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> To set the record straight, I personally don't remember? 
>> "Lucky Strike Green".? I am 'bumping' 81 in
>> a few weeks, and all I remember was the red bullseye 
>> packaging.? I did see a lor of references to
>> the 'green' packaging, but I don't believe I ever saw one.
>>
>> My mother smoked and her favorite brand was Herbert 
>> Tarington's or something like that.? It was
>> a king size cigarette when most were the smaller, 'standard' 
>> size.? Later on she moved to a filtered
>> brand, and I don't remember what it was.
>>
>> My dad was a pipe and cigar guy.? He would occasionally smoke 
>> a cigarette, but it was rare.? He
>> got a lot of gifts of cigars when his job dealt with salesmen, 
>> and they came home and went into a
>> humidor of some kind.
>>
>> Our basement 'shop' had shelves with 'pigeonholes' he made 
>> which held about 40 cigar boxes which
>> were labeled with nut and bolt sizes, washers, nails, brads, 
>> tacks, etc.? I was always amazed that
>> when I needed a nut for one of the axles on my bike, I could 
>> never find one.? They were SAE threads
>> and his 'accumulation' never had them.? I had to go to the 
>> local bike shop to get them.
>>
>> For now,
>>
>> Ralph -? W8ROI
>>
>> -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -
>>
>> *From: *"Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
>> *To: *greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:40:18 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
>>
>> ??? You have it right although it may have been fully packed.? I
>> mis-remembered it. Lucky Strike was in fact firmly packed. I had
>> friends who smoked Camels and always banged the pack to settle
>> the tobacco. Luckies never leaked.
>>
>> On 3/22/2020 3:52 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:
>> > I believe one of their 'ad phrases' was,
>> >
>> > ??????? "So round, so full, so firmly packed, so free and easy
>> > on the draw."
>> >
>> > ????????????????????????????????????or was it,
>> >
>> > ??????? "So round, so firm, so fully packed, so free and easy
>> > on the draw?"
>> >
>> > Now, if you want to talk 'old', how many remember "Lucky
>> > Strike Green"?
>> >
>> > Ralph -? w8roi
>> >
>> > -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -?? -
>> >
>> > *From: *"W9DDD John" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
>> > *To: *"Green Keys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> > *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:25:21 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
>> >
>> > I was beginning to think I was the only old guy here. ?Yes,
>> > Jack Benny,
>> > The hit parade etc. ?Black and white 525 horizontal lines, 60
>> > cycle
>> > vertical rate. ?15,750 kc fly back transformer. ?"Lucky Strike
>> > Means
>> > Fine Tobacco" ?Does that brand even exist these days?
>> >
>> > John, W9DDD
>> >
>> > On 3/22/2020 3:23 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>> > > ??? A very intense advertising campaign, "Remember LSMFT",
>> > "Its Toasted"
>> > > ,"Among men who know tobacco best its ______ two to one", "So
>> > firm, so
>> > > full, so fully packed, so free and easy on the draw". Anyone
>> > remember
>> > > Jack Benny or perhaps "Your Hit Parade"? I am giving away 
>> my age.
>> > >
>> > > On 3/22/2020 10:18 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> > >> Are we sure we're not infringing on the Trade Mark of a 
>> certain
>> > >> tobacco company?
>> > >>
>> > >> John, W9DDD
>> > >>
>> > >> On 3/22/2020 8:58 AM, Nick England wrote:
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>> > >>> but try to remember LSMFT on the ham bands -
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From ed at groenenberg.net  Mon Mar 23 02:37:14 2020
From: ed at groenenberg.net (Ed Groenenberg)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:37:14 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unidentified PCB in a 33ASR
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tomas at tlec.se wrote:
> Dear group.
>
> Can anyone identify this card in an European version of a model 33ASR
>
> The card is marked BS292 on the sticker, on the back of the card there is
> a
> text "TZ-197"
>
> The Orange/White cable goes to Connector 1, cavity 6
>
> The Grey ones goes to connector 12 on the motorcontroller BS263 and other
> places as well
>
> The Purple/White one goes to connector 6 cavity14,  connector 1 on the
> tape
> reader card, and some more places as well
>
> The Blue cable  goes to Connector 1, cavity 1
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden

I have a 50Hz machine, but this card is not part of it.
>From your description I would say it is the card which allows you to
start the papertapereader from the computer (and act thus as an input
device).
Does the lever next to the reader have 4 positions i.s.o. 3 positions?

Ed
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From tomas at tlec.se  Mon Mar 23 03:33:24 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:33:24 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unidentified PCB in a 33ASR
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I'm not sure if it has 3 or 4 positions, there is no text on the hood, and I
haven't got that far with the re-assembly   yet.
Doing a full schematic of it now, since there is more discrependencies
compared to the schematic I got.
The front switch is a 7-pole 2-way switch and not as in the drawing a 4-pole
2-way switch, although only 5 positions is used.
There is two switches with lamps on the metalic plate on the right, labeled
"Leser/Schritt" and Auto/Man" connected to J5
On the drawing thay are labeled "Motor" and "Schritt".

J2 and J3 are complete empty


Mvh
Tomas Larsson
Sweden

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?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Unidentified PCB in a 33ASR


tomas at tlec.se wrote:
> Dear group.
>
> Can anyone identify this card in an European version of a model 33ASR
>
> The card is marked BS292 on the sticker, on the back of the card there 
> is a text "TZ-197"
>
> The Orange/White cable goes to Connector 1, cavity 6
>
> The Grey ones goes to connector 12 on the motorcontroller BS263 and 
> other places as well
>
> The Purple/White one goes to connector 6 cavity14,  connector 1 on the 
> tape reader card, and some more places as well
>
> The Blue cable  goes to Connector 1, cavity 1
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden

I have a 50Hz machine, but this card is not part of it.
>From your description I would say it is the card which allows you to start
the papertapereader from the computer (and act thus as an input device).
Does the lever next to the reader have 4 positions i.s.o. 3 positions?

Ed
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Mon Mar 23 09:35:47 2020
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:35:47 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <05544c6a-2167-3b5c-1e1f-4c84d0a8bd7a@ix.netcom.com>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>,
	<05544c6a-2167-3b5c-1e1f-4c84d0a8bd7a@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB50031845ABE0E11C39E6A0B7A8F00@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com]--  Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:01 PM

>  I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired of yellow stained teeth?"

The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.

                 Doug Jones
                 jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Mar 23 11:47:48 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:47:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB50031845ABE0E11C39E6A0B7A8F00@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>
	<05544c6a-2167-3b5c-1e1f-4c84d0a8bd7a@ix.netcom.com>
	<DM6PR04MB50031845ABE0E11C39E6A0B7A8F00@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3c4d8f16-f5b3-569e-5cfa-62687185376f@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? Must have been a Bob Hope fan.

On 3/23/2020 6:35 AM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com]--  Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:01 PM
>
>>   I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired of yellow stained teeth?"
> The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.
>
>                   Doug Jones
>                   jones at cs.uiowa.edu

-- 
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1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From nf6x at nf6x.net  Mon Mar 23 14:12:20 2020
From: nf6x at nf6x.net (Mark J. Blair)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:12:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [MRCG] Clatternet II III?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcDb7AoHuapxpfqXRj=rfONi16=nMoe23HPXQKWJVL_Kw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAB55hNcDb7AoHuapxpfqXRj=rfONi16=nMoe23HPXQKWJVL_Kw@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Nick England <nick at navy-radio.com> wrote:
> 
> 850 shift on the air. West Coast.

We're going to try restarting Clatternet on Saturday:

http://www.mrcgwest.org/mrcg-radio-nets/

Note that we're MARK LOW for best compatibility across the military RTTY sets that Clatternet members have traditionally used. I guess that makes us non-smokers?


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From dave at horsfall.org  Mon Mar 23 17:36:02 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:36:02 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>,
	<05544c6a-2167-3b5c-1e1f-4c84d0a8bd7a@ix.netcom.com>
	<DM6PR04MB50031845ABE0E11C39E6A0B7A8F00@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003240833400.34256@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Jones, Douglas W wrote:

> The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your 
> teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly 
> planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.

Parodied by kiddies as "You'll wonder where your teeth all went, when you 
brush each day with wet cement".

(My last off-topic post in this thread, I promise)

-- Dave

From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 17:40:22 2020
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony.podrasky)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:40:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003240833400.34256@aneurin.horsfall.org>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>,
	<05544c6a-2167-3b5c-1e1f-4c84d0a8bd7a@ix.netcom.com>	<DM6PR04MB50031845ABE0E11C39E6A0B7A8F00@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003240833400.34256@aneurin.horsfall.org>
Message-ID: <5E792CC6.8030106@gmail.com>

"You'll wonder where you went last night - when
you brush your teeth with dynamite!"


On 03/23/2020 02:36 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
>
>> The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your
>> teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly
>> planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.
>
> Parodied by kiddies as "You'll wonder where your teeth all went, when
> you brush each day with wet cement".
>
> (My last off-topic post in this thread, I promise)
>
> -- Dave
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From tomas at tlec.se  Mon Mar 23 23:26:21 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 04:26:21 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unidentified PCB in a 33ASR
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Ok, I am convinced it is a relay board.

The resistor sits in series with the coil, the diode most probably a
fly-back/Freewheel diode.
Now the coil is connected between number  1 and 6 in the  J1 connector
assembly.

One end of the relay contacts is connected to the Reader PSU (BS241 card)
Edge contact number 3 and number 14 on J6 (card reader connector).
Reader PSU Edge connector 3 is a relay contact to the 0-terminal on the
18-9-0-9-18 Winding on the transformer.
The relay is operated with the Auto/Man switch on the right face-plate (not
standard 33 thing I guess)

The other end of the BS292 relay is connected to one of the circuits in the
Online/Local mode switch as well as number 12 and through a diode to 11 both
on J4 (motorconnector) 
In the scanned schematic I have, I cannot se whats connected on J4-11 and 12
on the other end, seems to be some sort of solenoid
It is allso connected to Edge connector 12 on the motor control board BS263
The Local/Online  Mode switch, when i Local shorts the relay contacts.
So, whats up?

I have done about 90% of the schematic, need to verify keyboard, reader,
printer and motor.


Mvh
Tomas Larsson
Sweden

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Till: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Unidentified PCB in a 33ASR


tomas at tlec.se wrote:
> Dear group.
>
> Can anyone identify this card in an European version of a model 33ASR
>
> The card is marked BS292 on the sticker, on the back of the card there 
> is a text "TZ-197"
>
> The Orange/White cable goes to Connector 1, cavity 6
>
> The Grey ones goes to connector 12 on the motorcontroller BS263 and 
> other places as well
>
> The Purple/White one goes to connector 6 cavity14,  connector 1 on the 
> tape reader card, and some more places as well
>
> The Blue cable  goes to Connector 1, cavity 1
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden

I have a 50Hz machine, but this card is not part of it.
>From your description I would say it is the card which allows you to start
the papertapereader from the computer (and act thus as an input device).
Does the lever next to the reader have 4 positions i.s.o. 3 positions?

Ed
--
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From tomas at tlec.se  Mon Mar 23 23:47:43 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 04:47:43 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] My model 33 asr, with unknown pcb
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGE4UvMgtwJIpJJKF65P6VPCgAAAEAAAAPT+rcwBD6pHil0Q8jw85foBAAAAAA==@tlec.se>

Here is the nearly finished schematic, I havent

Checked the wiring to printer, reader, keyboard etc yet.

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From w4ewh at outlook.com  Tue Mar 24 00:10:58 2020
From: w4ewh at outlook.com (Bill Horne)
Date: 24 Mar 2020 00:10:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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On 3/23/2020 9:35 AM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.


When I was a kid, during the McCarthy ara, anti-communist versions 
sprang up, such as ...


You'll wonder where your father went, if he talks against the government!


Bill, W4EWH

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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 00:46:33 2020
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 00:46:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] My model 33 asr, with unknown pcb
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On 24 Mar 2020 at 4:47, tomas at tlec.se wrote:

> Here is the nearly finished schematic,

NICE work !!



From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Tue Mar 24 09:13:44 2020
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:13:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Simple as these commercials and jingles were, they were very well 
written and did what they were intended to.  Many were Hollywood quality 
in every way,  and are remembered decades later, even the ones promoting 
stinking deadly poison. I doubt the ones  of today  will be regarded 
with anything but scorn. I can't think of even one "earworm" jingle of 
today, unlike the ones we constantly hummed, sang, and satirized  
decades ago.  Does anyone know  of any commercials, in print or on 
television,  showing a teletype operator so harried or tired they 
"needed" the product,  or a scene with the equipment in the background?

    Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY


On 3/23/20 9:35 AM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com]--  Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:01 PM
>
>>   I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired of yellow stained teeth?"
> The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.
>
>                   Doug Jones
>                   jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Mar 24 09:29:30 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:29:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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For what it's worth, we have an AM news station here in Philadelphia, "KYW
1060" that still artificially inserts teletype noise into the background on
their broadcasts. They've been doing it for years, and a few years ago they
stopped doing it and people complained, so they added it back in again.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Simple as these commercials and jingles were, they were very well written
> and did what they were intended to.??? Many were Hollywood quality in every
> way,??? and are remembered decades later, even the ones promoting stinking
> deadly poison. I doubt the ones??? of today??? will be regarded with
> anything but scorn. I can't think of even one "earworm" jingle of today,
> unlike the ones we constantly hummed, sang, and satirized??? decades
> ago.??? Does anyone know??? of any commercials, in print or on
> television,??? showing a teletype operator so harried or tired they
> "needed" the product,??? or a scene with the equipment in the
> background????
>
> ?????? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
> On 3/23/20 9:35 AM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
>
> From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com]--  Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:01 PM
>
>
>  I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired of yellow stained teeth?"
>
> The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.
>
>                  Doug Jones
>                  jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Tue Mar 24 09:48:14 2020
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills (CKT&T))
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:48:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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Come to think of it, their "Jingle," although it was re-orchestrated and 
re-performed over the years stayed the same for as long as I can remember.

On 3/24/2020 9:29 AM, Jeff G wrote:
> For what it's worth, we have an AM news station here in Philadelphia, 
> "KYW 1060" that still artificially inserts teletype noise into the 
> background on their broadcasts. They've been doing it for years, and a 
> few years ago they stopped doing it and people complained, so they 
> added it back in again.
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys 
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>
>     Simple as these commercials and jingles were, they were very well
>     written and did what they were intended to.??? Many were Hollywood
>     quality in every way,??? and are remembered decades later, even
>     the ones promoting stinking deadly poison. I doubt the ones??? of
>     today??? will be regarded with anything but scorn. I can't think
>     of even one "earworm" jingle of today, unlike the ones we
>     constantly hummed, sang, and satirized??? decades ago.??? Does
>     anyone know??? of any commercials, in print or on television,???
>     showing a teletype operator so harried or tired they "needed" the
>     product,??? or a scene with the equipment in the background????
>
>     ?????? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>
>     On 3/23/20 9:35 AM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
>>     From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  <mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>]--  Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:01 PM
>>
>>>       I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired of yellow stained teeth?"
>>     The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.
>>
>>        
>


From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 10:43:43 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:43:43 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Equipment available
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB4925AFA6325A021EF20ED979AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Update !

I should inform you guys much earlier about the progress to find a new home for my Siemens 37h.

A day or so after I posted the availability, David Monroe from the "San Antonio Museum of Science and Technology" in Texas (samsat.org) was the first one who showed interest. I am so glad to find a new home and proud to announce that my iTelex number (212503) will be used by the museum. David figured out a way to transport this beautiful beast. Of course it will take a very good while before the Siemens is online and makes the first contact via iTelex.

My very best to the group,
eat good and stay healthy !!!

73
Nick  -  N0NCQ

NNNN

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 24 11:18:12 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:18:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Equipment available
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Nick,

Glad you found a good home for your 37h!

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 24-Mar-20 10:43, Nick wrote:
> Update !
>
> I should inform you guys much earlier about the progress to find a new 
> home for my Siemens 37h.
>
> A day or so after I posted the availability, David Monroe from the 
> "San Antonio Museum of Science and Technology" in Texas (samsat.org) 
> was the first one who showed interest. I am so glad to find a new home 
> and proud to announce that my iTelex number (212503) will be used by 
> the museum. David figured out a way to transport this beautiful beast. 
> Of course it will take a very good while before the Siemens is online 
> and makes the first contact via iTelex.
>
> My very best to the group,
> eat good and stay healthy !!!
>
> 73
> Nick? -? N0NCQ
>
> NNNN
>
>
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 11:19:41 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:19:41 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lots of 28 manuals/bulletins available
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB4925214138B06115C29F3AB6AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I have 19 different binders available. It's all about 28 KSR's and ASR's. See one attached picture. Some big binders packed with lots of bulletins, some smaller binders with single bulletins and/or issues. Old but clean with a typical, slightly musky odor.

I could make a very long inventory list here but I'm too lazy ?

I made a total of 55 inventory pictures but that's way to much to post here. Anybody with good ideas where I could post the pics in an easy and uncomplicated way.

All manuals are free for postage.

The entire box weighs about 50-60 lbs - paper is heavy.

Maybe Nick England from NC likes to have them all for scanning and posting on his website - so everybody has access. If that's the case, Nick, I could keep everything until I see you next time - most likely at the Lawrenceville HamFest or I deliver in person one day and check out your amazing shack.

Nick  -  N0NCQ





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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Mar 24 12:16:48 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:16:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Hal ST-6 using it in modern times
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 ?? I am glad to hear the KYW call is still active. KYW was one 
of the first stations licensed by the Department of Commerce and 
was owned by Westinghouse. It went on the air in Chicago but, 
sometime in the 1930s. the Federal Radio Commission, predecessor 
of the FCC, decided it had authorized too many stations in Chi so 
the call was moved to Philadelphia. Westinghouse later sold it to 
NBC. In the more recent past NBC traded it to CBS for WCAU to 
stifle union action at both stations. However, for decades KYW 
was the NBC affilliate in Philly. However, I think for a time the 
call was also moved to Cleveland where it replaced WTAM, another 
NBC o&o. Obviously got moved back.
 ?? Westinghouse used an all news format for most of its stations 
until the merger with CBS. They owned KFWB here. The CE of KFWB 
was a friend and told me he thought they had a better Teletype 
sound effect than the rival KNX, a CBS O&O, also all-news. For a 
time KNX had a couple of actual Teletype machines in cases near 
the on air announcer. I don't know when they stopped using the 
sound effect but I think many people these days would not know 
what the sound was. Times change and memories are short.
 ?? Please keep safe.

On 3/24/2020 6:29 AM, Jeff G wrote:
> For what it's worth, we have an AM news station here in 
> Philadelphia, "KYW 1060" that still artificially inserts 
> teletype noise into the background on their broadcasts. They've 
> been doing it for years, and a few years ago they stopped doing 
> it and people complained, so they added it back in again.
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys 
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Simple as these commercials and jingles were, they were
>     very well written and did what they were intended to.???
>     Many were Hollywood quality in every way,??? and are
>     remembered decades later, even the ones promoting stinking
>     deadly poison. I doubt the ones??? of today??? will be
>     regarded with anything but scorn. I can't think of even one
>     "earworm" jingle of today, unlike the ones we constantly
>     hummed, sang, and satirized??? decades ago.??? Does anyone
>     know??? of any commercials, in print or on television,???
>     showing a teletype operator so harried or tired they
>     "needed" the product,??? or a scene with the equipment in
>     the background????
>
>     ?????? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>
>     On 3/23/20 9:35 AM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
>>     From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  <mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>]--  Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:01 PM
>>
>>>       I also remember TV ads for toothpaste asking "Tired of yellow stained teeth?"
>>     The jingle "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent" is one I will never forget.  It is as firmly planted in my memory as all those cigarette jingles.
>>
>>                       Doug Jones
>>                       jones at cs.uiowa.edu  <mailto:jones at cs.uiowa.edu>
>>     ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
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WB6KBL


From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 12:37:30 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:37:30 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Free stuff for postage !

13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !

I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.

Eat good ? and stay healthy,

Nick  -  N0NCQ





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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 12:53:42 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:53:42 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lots of 28 manuals/bulletins available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB4925214138B06115C29F3AB6AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB4925214138B06115C29F3AB6AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Update :

Nick in NC is interested in all manuals/ bulletins. He will scan what's missing in his gigantic collection and makes the originals available again.

I will send all that stuff out to Nick after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office or the UPS store and after my TTY mentor Steve (N4TTY) looked through the pile to find something particular on a 28ASR.

Hey Nick, because of the unknown, it may take a few months.

The other Nick - N0NCQ







Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 11:20 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lots of 28 manuals/bulletins available

I have 19 different binders available. It's all about 28 KSR's and ASR's. See one attached picture. Some big binders packed with lots of bulletins, some smaller binders with single bulletins and/or issues. Old but clean with a typical, slightly musky odor.

I could make a very long inventory list here but I'm too lazy ?

I made a total of 55 inventory pictures but that's way to much to post here. Anybody with good ideas where I could post the pics in an easy and uncomplicated way.

All manuals are free for postage.

The entire box weighs about 50-60 lbs - paper is heavy.

Maybe Nick England from NC likes to have them all for scanning and posting on his website - so everybody has access. If that's the case, Nick, I could keep everything until I see you next time - most likely at the Lawrenceville HamFest or I deliver in person one day and check out your amazing shack.

Nick  -  N0NCQ





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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Tue Mar 24 12:53:35 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:53:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5F7CD28B-4D93-4D82-B234-FA453FB97768@K6YIC.com>

Morning,

I will take the loop current meter if it?s still available.  You just let me know how much

Daniel Jones
13874 Huntervale Drive
Eastvale, Ca 92880

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 09:41, Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Free stuff for postage !
> 
> 13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !
> 
> I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.
> 
> Eat good ? and stay healthy,
> 
> Nick  -  N0NCQ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 13:02:33 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:02:33 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Update  :

Wow, that was quick - everything is gone.

I send out emails this evening to confirm who gets what. In my workshop at the moment to clean up and organize. I know I have more (two printing tape perforators, 14's I guess and a 28TD) - but I have to findet first. Please don't make requests yet.

Again, the stuff will be shipped after I can go out there in a safe way.

Nick  -  N0NCQ




Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Free stuff for postage !

13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !

I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.

Eat good ? and stay healthy,

Nick  -  N0NCQ





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From sheldondaitch at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 24 13:05:25 2020
From: sheldondaitch at yahoo.com (Sheldon Daitch)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:05:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
In-Reply-To: <409ec3a6-a0ea-ebae-122d-8df9a040ac09@ix.netcom.com>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>
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	<409ec3a6-a0ea-ebae-122d-8df9a040ac09@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <743712429.1402688.1585069525200@mail.yahoo.com>

 One thing almost certain, no one is using the sound of an Extel printer as background fora news report.
Sheldon
    On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:17:17 PM EDT, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:  
 . For a?
time KNX had a couple of actual Teletype machines in cases near 
the on air announcer. I don't know when they stopped using the 
sound effect but I think many people these days would not know 
what the sound was. Times change and memories are short.
 ?? Please keep safe.

On 3/24/2020 6:29 AM, Jeff G wrote:
> For what it's worth, we have an AM news station here in 
> Philadelphia, "KYW 1060" that still artificially inserts 
> teletype noise into the background on their broadcasts. They've 
> been doing it for years, and a few years ago they stopped doing 
> it and people complained, so they added it back in again.
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
>  
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Mar 24 13:25:03 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:25:03 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
In-Reply-To: <743712429.1402688.1585069525200@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>
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	<DM6PR04MB50031845ABE0E11C39E6A0B7A8F00@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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LOL

On 3/24/2020 10:05 AM, Sheldon Daitch wrote:
> One thing almost certain, no one is using the sound of an Extel 
> printer as background for
> a news report.
>
> Sheldon
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:17:17 PM EDT, Richard Knoppow 
> <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> . For a
> time KNX had a couple of actual Teletype machines in cases near
> the on air announcer. I don't know when they stopped using the
> sound effect but I think many people these days would not know
> what the sound was. Times change and memories are short.
> ?? Please keep safe.
>
> On 3/24/2020 6:29 AM, Jeff G wrote:
> > For what it's worth, we have an AM news station here in
> > Philadelphia, "KYW 1060" that still artificially inserts
> > teletype noise into the background on their broadcasts. They've
> > been doing it for years, and a few years ago they stopped doing
> > it and people complained, so they added it back in again.
> >
> > Jeff KC3GJX
> >
> >

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From paul0926 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 14:47:14 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 12:47:14 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7314E44A-B569-43E2-B17B-341DC05AC2CB@comcast.net>

Nice video. Shame that he never got to part 2

Paul
W2TTY



> On Mar 22, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
> 
> FYI, there is actually ONE Hal ST-6 video on Youtube, and it happens to talk about repairing one, going into details about board placement and what not. Its actually a really good vid, its just a shame they didn't show much of the actual usage of it, other than it actually working.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI>
> 
> Enjoy! Maybe we can do some RTTY on HF someday (if I ever get my radio stuff sorted out).
> 
> Jeff KC3GJX
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From dougfaunt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 11:35:43 2020
From: dougfaunt at gmail.com (Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lucky Strike green, and verbosity
Message-ID: <CAHirYAgYQq1ghz54GvARjqVLDt4eetDEEBh+=GGA0-Zj70_sCg@mail.gmail.com>

Lucky Strikes caused more babble than anything else on this list.
Do you think you could trim your replies?
Lots of useless bandwidth there.

And the claim was that the green ink used copper, better used for defense
products, which is why they switched.
My greatuncle saved a green pack, just for fun, so I saw one, about 65
years ago.

And a few years back, some people were using ST-6 TU's for another RTTY
decoding channel for dxing and contesting.
73, Doug
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 15:44:56 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:44:56 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB492571A058456CB60A951FBCAFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>,
	<MN2PR03MB492571A058456CB60A951FBCAFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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More stuff :

A new / old stock line control unit $20 + shipping


A 14 printing tape perforator. Dirty but everything is there except that little tin paper track. The motor runs and the selector magnets are kicking in. Needs a good soaking in "Simple Green" and lubrication.
$free + shipping (heavy little sucker)


Another 14 printing tape perforator in restored condition. New 10' heavy  duty power cord and new 10' transmission line. Sitting here now for a year or so and may needs tiny tweaking - but I doubt it.
$35$ + shipping (again, heavy sucker)


A noise reducing / vibration absorbing pad for a 15 or 28 tabletop model. Homemade from on old (washed) saddle blanket - worked great for me and still clean ?
$free + shipping


I'm still looking for that 28TD - can't find it. I may already sold it or gave it away. Damn, can't remember shi........


Stay tuned, I'm only half way through in my workshop ?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 1:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Update  :

Wow, that was quick - everything is gone.

I send out emails this evening to confirm who gets what. In my workshop at the moment to clean up and organize. I know I have more (two printing tape perforators, 14's I guess and a 28TD) - but I have to findet first. Please don't make requests yet.

Again, the stuff will be shipped after I can go out there in a safe way.

Nick  -  N0NCQ




Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Free stuff for postage !

13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !

I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.

Eat good ? and stay healthy,

Nick  -  N0NCQ





Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 15:53:07 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:53:07 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB492534AD4D0F0047CD1FA6EEAFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>,
	<MN2PR03MB492571A058456CB60A951FBCAFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>,
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Update :

I found a new home for the restored 14 printing perforator and the pad.

Nick



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 3:47 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

More stuff :

A new / old stock line control unit $20 + shipping


A 14 printing tape perforator. Dirty but everything is there except that little tin paper track. The motor runs and the selector magnets are kicking in. Needs a good soaking in "Simple Green" and lubrication.
$free + shipping (heavy little sucker)


Another 14 printing tape perforator in restored condition. New 10' heavy  duty power cord and new 10' transmission line. Sitting here now for a year or so and may needs tiny tweaking - but I doubt it.
$35$ + shipping (again, heavy sucker)


A noise reducing / vibration absorbing pad for a 15 or 28 tabletop model. Homemade from on old (washed) saddle blanket - worked great for me and still clean ?
$free + shipping


I'm still looking for that 28TD - can't find it. I may already sold it or gave it away. Damn, can't remember shi........


Stay tuned, I'm only half way through in my workshop ?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 1:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Update  :

Wow, that was quick - everything is gone.

I send out emails this evening to confirm who gets what. In my workshop at the moment to clean up and organize. I know I have more (two printing tape perforators, 14's I guess and a 28TD) - but I have to findet first. Please don't make requests yet.

Again, the stuff will be shipped after I can go out there in a safe way.

Nick  -  N0NCQ




Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Free stuff for postage !

13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !

I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.

Eat good ? and stay healthy,

Nick  -  N0NCQ





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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 15:55:18 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:55:18 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
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Also not available anymore is the line control unit.

Nick



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 3:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Update :

I found a new home for the restored 14 printing perforator and the pad.

Nick



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 3:47 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

More stuff :

A new / old stock line control unit $20 + shipping


A 14 printing tape perforator. Dirty but everything is there except that little tin paper track. The motor runs and the selector magnets are kicking in. Needs a good soaking in "Simple Green" and lubrication.
$free + shipping (heavy little sucker)


Another 14 printing tape perforator in restored condition. New 10' heavy  duty power cord and new 10' transmission line. Sitting here now for a year or so and may needs tiny tweaking - but I doubt it.
$35$ + shipping (again, heavy sucker)


A noise reducing / vibration absorbing pad for a 15 or 28 tabletop model. Homemade from on old (washed) saddle blanket - worked great for me and still clean ?
$free + shipping


I'm still looking for that 28TD - can't find it. I may already sold it or gave it away. Damn, can't remember shi........


Stay tuned, I'm only half way through in my workshop ?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 1:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Update  :

Wow, that was quick - everything is gone.

I send out emails this evening to confirm who gets what. In my workshop at the moment to clean up and organize. I know I have more (two printing tape perforators, 14's I guess and a 28TD) - but I have to findet first. Please don't make requests yet.

Again, the stuff will be shipped after I can go out there in a safe way.

Nick  -  N0NCQ




Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Free stuff for postage !

13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !

I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.

Eat good ? and stay healthy,

Nick  -  N0NCQ





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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 24 16:20:01 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:20:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
In-Reply-To: <743712429.1402688.1585069525200@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003241515020.7382@Frances>

Related to the sound of the Model 15 banging away on a radio broadcast...
now we've all seen the placards like Associated Press on the front of 15s.
In my youth I never saw these.  My speculation is that they began when
TV stations began showing images of their news rooms full of Teletypes
to impress the public that they were getting news from all sources.  And
the TV stations wanted the sourced identified, and the wire services
wanted their machines identified.

One more singing commercial anecdote.  The big companies that commissioned
such things maybe didn't consider whether their message was appropriate
to all localities where it might be broadcast.  I was driving in Los
Angeles in January in the early 1960s, listening to the news on the car
radio.  The announcer concluded his broadcast with "...and the temperature
is 78 degrees.  That's Cream of Wheat weather."  and the singing jingle
came on "That's Cream of Wheat weather, we repeat, so guard your family
with hot Cream of Wheat."

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Mar 24 16:39:37 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 13:39:37 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003241515020.7382@Frances>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
	<7E746492-F530-4C4E-87C3-2BFD3639BF17@K6YIC.com>
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	<ccf6500b-7178-a04f-883f-0bb9c725265a@verizon.net>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003241515020.7382@Frances>
Message-ID: <1eaf14c7-901f-833b-d6bc-872b17c23b30@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? There should be enough dated pictures of news rooms to show 
if machines were identified. Also look at newspaper news rooms. I 
think maybe they were identified. Maybe because there were 
several services and maybe as a brag. Once upon a time there was 
AP, UP, INS. Newspapers but not radio stations might have 
Reuters. In Los Angeles there was also City News Service, a wire 
with local news on it. I think CNS operated in several large 
cities. There might also be a Weather Bureau machine. In a 
newspaper office there was often more than one wire service 
machine, a national and an regional one.
 ?? Until the 1940s wire services were reluctant to provide wire 
service to radio stations because they were thought to compete 
with newspapers.

On 3/24/2020 1:20 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> Related to the sound of the Model 15 banging away on a radio 
> broadcast...
> now we've all seen the placards like Associated Press on the 
> front of 15s.
> In my youth I never saw these.? My speculation is that they 
> began when
> TV stations began showing images of their news rooms full of 
> Teletypes
> to impress the public that they were getting news from all 
> sources.? And
> the TV stations wanted the sourced identified, and the wire 
> services
> wanted their machines identified.
 ?? I associate Cream of Wheat with a childrens radio show the 
name of which has suddenly blanked out of my memory. A friend was 
one of the children who sung the theme "Cream of wheat is so good 
to eat and we eat it every day...." she can still sing it.? I 
thought the stuff had the flavor and texture of library paste. Vile.

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Mar 24 16:49:52 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:49:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Cream of Wheat.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003241515020.7382@Frances>
References: <1719416353.4077994.1584924965370.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.20.2003241515020.7382@Frances>
Message-ID: <57fc6f27-c753-7c28-134b-c4d1a9670d4d@tapr.org>

Then there's the story of the GI enlisted from Wisconsin and having his 
first experience with grits in the chow line.  After putting milk and 
sugar on it he was suddenly aware "this ain't Cream of Wheat" and it's 
not so good to eat.

After living in Texas now for close to 40 years I've "learnt" how to 
properly eat grits.

John, W9DDD

On 3/24/2020 3:20 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> 
> One more singing commercial anecdote.? The big companies that commissioned
> such things maybe didn't consider whether their message was appropriate
> to all localities where it might be broadcast.? I was driving in Los
> Angeles in January in the early 1960s, listening to the news on the car
> radio.? The announcer concluded his broadcast with "...and the temperature
> is 78 degrees.? That's Cream of Wheat weather."? and the singing jingle
> came on "That's Cream of Wheat weather, we repeat, so guard your family
> with hot Cream of Wheat."
> 
>  ????---
> 
>  ????"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>  ????"No it ain't! No it ain't!? But ya gotta know the territory."
>  ??????? Meredith Willson, The Music Man
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 16:57:42 2020
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 20:57:42 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB4925E496278C4F7C93657886AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR03MB4925653835111CA5FE621651AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>,
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Ok folks, everything is gone and found a new home.

I will contact everybody this evening or tomorrow to confirm.

And please keep in mind that I'm not going out there to the post office or the UPS store any time soon and run the risk to catch the virus. Everything will be shipped after I feel safe. I keep you guy's updated with the timing. Please do not pay anything yet - we get that part done after everything is shipped (I hate to estimate postage or shipping).

Please remember, eat good ? ? and stay healthy !!!

Nick  -  N0NCQ


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 3:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Also not available anymore is the line control unit.

Nick



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 3:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Update :

I found a new home for the restored 14 printing perforator and the pad.

Nick



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 3:47 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

More stuff :

A new / old stock line control unit $20 + shipping


A 14 printing tape perforator. Dirty but everything is there except that little tin paper track. The motor runs and the selector magnets are kicking in. Needs a good soaking in "Simple Green" and lubrication.
$free + shipping (heavy little sucker)


Another 14 printing tape perforator in restored condition. New 10' heavy  duty power cord and new 10' transmission line. Sitting here now for a year or so and may needs tiny tweaking - but I doubt it.
$35$ + shipping (again, heavy sucker)


A noise reducing / vibration absorbing pad for a 15 or 28 tabletop model. Homemade from on old (washed) saddle blanket - worked great for me and still clean ?
$free + shipping


I'm still looking for that 28TD - can't find it. I may already sold it or gave it away. Damn, can't remember shi........


Stay tuned, I'm only half way through in my workshop ?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 1:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Update  :

Wow, that was quick - everything is gone.

I send out emails this evening to confirm who gets what. In my workshop at the moment to clean up and organize. I know I have more (two printing tape perforators, 14's I guess and a 28TD) - but I have to findet first. Please don't make requests yet.

Again, the stuff will be shipped after I can go out there in a safe way.

Nick  -  N0NCQ




Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
Date: 3/24/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available

Free stuff for postage !

13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !

I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.

Eat good ? and stay healthy,

Nick  -  N0NCQ





Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Mar 24 17:00:08 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:00:08 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
In-Reply-To: <1eaf14c7-901f-833b-d6bc-872b17c23b30@ix.netcom.com>
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 ?? The program was "Lets Pretend" directed by Nila Mack. Unusual 
for radio because the actors had credits and introduced 
themselves after the skit.

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From paul0926 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 17:18:47 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:18:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB4925C0AB51A20DDEFBBA2421AFF10@MN2PR03MB4925.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Man. If you don?t pay attention around here and constantly hang on your email system, you lose out. 

Paul

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Ok folks, everything is gone and found a new home.
> 
> I will contact everybody this evening or tomorrow to confirm.
> 
> And please keep in mind that I'm not going out there to the post office or the UPS store any time soon and run the risk to catch the virus. Everything will be shipped after I feel safe. I keep you guy's updated with the timing. Please do not pay anything yet - we get that part done after everything is shipped (I hate to estimate postage or shipping).
> 
> Please remember, eat good ? ? and stay healthy !!!
> 
> Nick  -  N0NCQ 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
> Date: 3/24/20 3:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
> 
> Also not available anymore is the line control unit. 
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
> Date: 3/24/20 3:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
> 
> Update :
> 
> I found a new home for the restored 14 printing perforator and the pad.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
> Date: 3/24/20 3:47 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
> 
> More stuff :
> 
> A new / old stock line control unit $20 + shipping 
> 
> 
> A 14 printing tape perforator. Dirty but everything is there except that little tin paper track. The motor runs and the selector magnets are kicking in. Needs a good soaking in "Simple Green" and lubrication. 
> $free + shipping (heavy little sucker)
> 
> 
> Another 14 printing tape perforator in restored condition. New 10' heavy  duty power cord and new 10' transmission line. Sitting here now for a year or so and may needs tiny tweaking - but I doubt it. 
> $35$ + shipping (again, heavy sucker)
> 
> 
> A noise reducing / vibration absorbing pad for a 15 or 28 tabletop model. Homemade from on old (washed) saddle blanket - worked great for me and still clean ?
> $free + shipping 
> 
> 
> I'm still looking for that 28TD - can't find it. I may already sold it or gave it away. Damn, can't remember shi........
> 
> 
> Stay tuned, I'm only half way through in my workshop ?
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
> Date: 3/24/20 1:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
> 
> Update  :
> 
> Wow, that was quick - everything is gone.
> 
> I send out emails this evening to confirm who gets what. In my workshop at the moment to clean up and organize. I know I have more (two printing tape perforators, 14's I guess and a 28TD) - but I have to findet first. Please don't make requests yet.
> 
> Again, the stuff will be shipped after I can go out there in a safe way. 
> 
> Nick  -  N0NCQ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
> Date: 3/24/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] lots of odd stuff available
> 
> Free stuff for postage !
> 
> 13 lots/items, 15 small pics attached !
> 
> I will send everything out after I know for sure that I don't catch anything at the post office.
> 
> Eat good ? and stay healthy,
> 
> Nick  -  N0NCQ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 17:20:42 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:20:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Fuse and Lamp specs
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Thanks to Paul at RTTY Electronics.
These lists of Teletype part numbers contain specs and commercial
equivalent numbers. Additions,Corrections, etc. are welcomed.
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tty-fuses.htm
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tty-lamps.htm
Cheers,
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From w4ewh at outlook.com  Tue Mar 24 17:34:15 2020
From: w4ewh at outlook.com (Bill Horne)
Date: 24 Mar 2020 17:34:15 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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On 3/24/2020 4:20 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> Related to the sound of the Model 15 banging away on a radio broadcast...
> now we've all seen the placards like Associated Press on the front of 15s.
> In my youth I never saw these.? My speculation is that they began when
> TV stations began showing images of their news rooms full of Teletypes
> to impress the public that they were getting news from all sources.? And
> the TV stations wanted the sourced identified, and the wire services
> wanted their machines identified.

In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On my first 
day, during break, I wandered down to the (abandoned) TV studio and wen 
to inspect the Teletype machine that they showed in the background of 
the opening to their news program.

Sigh.

The "Teletypes," I found out, were just Model 15 machine covers, each 
with a piece of yellow papers taped to the top to make them appear to be 
actual machines. Since they were always out-of-focus, I was told, that 
didn't matter.

Bill W4EWH



From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 24 17:39:51 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:39:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Fuse and Lamp specs
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I remember when Teletype equipment using slow-blow fuses had SLO-BLO
printed next to the fuse holder.  Then somebody brought up that was a
trademark of one of the fuse companies and we had to change to SL-BL.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Mar 24 18:18:21 2020
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:18:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Fuse and Lamp specs
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Now, I believe - the newer ones that are left - or that can be found, are branded ?T? for ?Time Delay? slow blow.


> On Mar 24, 2020, at 4:39 pm, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I remember when Teletype equipment using slow-blow fuses had SLO-BLO
> printed next to the fuse holder.  Then somebody brought up that was a
> trademark of one of the fuse companies and we had to change to SL-BL.
> 
> 	---
> 
> 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
> 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
> 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man
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From dave at horsfall.org  Tue Mar 24 18:26:30 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:26:30 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2020, Bill Horne wrote:

> In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On my first 
> day, during break, I wandered down to the (abandoned) TV studio and wen 
> to inspect the Teletype machine that they showed in the background of 
> the opening to their news program.

[...]

Jut curious, was WRKO any relation to RKO Radio Pictures?  I loved seeing 
those old B&W films on TV (hey, all B&W films are good!), and especially 
the "RKO Radio Pictures V V V" being transmitted in CW :-)

-- Dave VK2KFU

From nf6x at nf6x.net  Tue Mar 24 19:23:59 2020
From: nf6x at nf6x.net (Mark J. Blair)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:23:59 -0700
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> On Mar 24, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Bill Horne <w4ewh at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> The "Teletypes," I found out, were just Model 15 machine covers, each with a piece of yellow papers taped to the top to make them appear to be actual machines. Since they were always out-of-focus, I was told, that didn't matter.

Oh, you must have felt so betrayed! I wonder how many spare covers Teletype sold to TV studios as props?


-- 
Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/


From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Mar 24 21:22:15 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:22:15 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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 ? WRKO was formerly WNAC. At one time owned by the Shepard 
department stores, one of the partners in the Mutual Broadcasting 
System. It was bought by RKO General a division of General Tire 
and Rubber Co. General Tire bought the RKO theaters division when 
RKO Radio was broken up by the Paramount consent decree. The 
legal agreement limited a single owner to being in any two but 
all three parts of the motion picture industry: production, 
distribution and exhibition. Most of the five major companies 
sold off their theater divisions. RKO was one of the largest. 
General Tire owned something called RKO Teleradio division which 
owned radio stations. Teleradio also took on the RKO theater 
division. The production end of RKO was bought by Howard Hughes 
who proceeded to mismanage it to death. The RKO physical plant 
was sold to Desilu. There is still a stub of the RKO distribution 
arm in existence. They are the proprietors of the RKO trademark 
and hold some of the library but not all of it. The whole 
business history of RKO is very complex. It began as a merger of 
several silent picture companies and theater companies organized 
by Joseph Kennedy. He had no sense of the motion picture 
industry. When sound arrived it was extraordinarily expensive but 
necessary to survival. Kennedy arranged to sell his company 
(called Film Booking Offices) to RCA. RCA at the time held 
patents in had inhereted from its parent General Elecric for a 
method of recording sound on motion picture film but had 
difficulty finding clients due to Western Electric having gotten 
there first. They acquired FBO and associated companies, to 
create a market for their Photophone recording system. The 
company was called Radio-Keith-Orpheum, the latter names from two 
of the major theater chains owned by Kennedy (also Pantages but 
that didn't get into the name). This was 1929, smack dab at the 
beginning of the depression. RKO never did well and went bankrupt 
about at the time General Electric sold out its interests in RCA. 
I am getting away from the story. In any case General Tire 
acquired the radio and TV stations which had formerly been 
associated with Mutual except for WOR in New York and WGN in 
Chicago (Chicago Tribune). Mutual never developed a TV network. I 
must now say that I can't remember an important date. General 
Tire ran into problems with the United States government for 
running a scam in its international dealings. On top of this the 
Boston station was discovered to have claimed to run 
advertisements it did not run but charged for. They were warned 
but did it again. The FCC decided that between this and the bad 
history of General Tire business ethics they were unqualified to 
hold any broadcast licenses and were forced to divest themselves 
of all broadcast holdings. They had stations in Boston, Los 
Angeles, San Francisco, elsewere and had to sell all of them and 
agree never to engage in the broadcasting business again.
 ??? I should probably proof read this but is all so OT that I 
think I will quit. All this history is on the web with a little 
searching. In its early days WNAC was a well respected station 
and Shepard also operated the Yankee Network (mostly NBC) and the 
Colonial Network. An early practitioner of FM radio.

On 3/24/2020 3:26 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2020, Bill Horne wrote:
>
>> In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On my 
>> first day, during break, I wandered down to the (abandoned) TV 
>> studio and wen to inspect the Teletype machine that they 
>> showed in the background of the opening to their news program.
>
> [...]
>
> Jut curious, was WRKO any relation to RKO Radio Pictures?? I 
> loved seeing those old B&W films on TV (hey, all B&W films are 
> good!), and especially the "RKO Radio Pictures V V V" being 
> transmitted in CW :-)
>
> -- Dave VK2KFU
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From ranickel at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 22:58:29 2020
From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:58:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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I knew there was an aircheck on Deane Johnson's site with the teletype 
sound in the background of a newscast and I found it. Unfortunately it's 
the last 15 seconds of a 10 minute aircheck so the best way to hear it 
is to drag the cursor of the audio player all the way to the end and 
then back it up a bit.?? Newscaster Mike Allibaugh on the day Richard M. 
Nixon was inaugurated with Action Central News from KOIL, Omaha:

https://www.deanejohnson.net/audio/KOIL-Deane_Johnson_Air_Check-1-20-69.shtml

There's another KOIL clip with a news headline right at the beginning - 
most of it is 'scoped out but the teletype sound can be heard.

73 Bob W9RAN


From w4ewh at outlook.com  Tue Mar 24 23:54:37 2020
From: w4ewh at outlook.com (Bill Horne)
Date: 24 Mar 2020 23:54:37 -0400
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On 3/24/2020 6:26 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2020, Bill Horne wrote:
>
>> In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On my first 
>> day, during break, I wandered down to the (abandoned) TV studio and 
>> wen to inspect the Teletype machine that they showed in the 
>> background of the opening to their news program.
>
> Jut curious, was WRKO any relation to RKO Radio Pictures?? I loved 
> seeing those old B&W films on TV (hey, all B&W films are good!), and 
> especially the "RKO Radio Pictures V V V" being transmitted in CW :-)


The stations was owned by RKO General, but I don't know if they were the 
company that made the RKO pictures.


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From w4ewh at outlook.com  Wed Mar 25 00:03:50 2020
From: w4ewh at outlook.com (Bill Horne)
Date: 25 Mar 2020 00:03:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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On 3/24/2020 7:23 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Bill Horne<w4ewh at outlook.com>  wrote:
>>
>> The "Teletypes," I found out, were just Model 15 machine covers, each with a piece of yellow papers taped to the top to make them appear to be actual machines. Since they were always out-of-focus, I was told, that didn't matter.
> Oh, you must have felt so betrayed! I wonder how many spare covers Teletype sold to TV studios as props?

I didn't feel betrayed, but I did feel chastened: I suggested that real 
machines would look more realistic, and one of the producers took me 
aside and said "We sell soap. That's all we do. We already know how to 
do it, and we don't need your ideas."

So I learned a few things about television:

 1. Appearances *_are_* reality.
 2. They sell soap.
 3. New ideas are not welcome.

FWIW.

Bill, W4EWH

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Speaking of spare covers, this hurts me every time I see it - from Johnny Carson.  Marked near the spot he kicks the cover over.

https://youtu.be/KJafME2mKag?t=336


> On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:03 pm, Bill Horne <w4ewh at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> On 3/24/2020 7:23 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Bill Horne <w4ewh at outlook.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The "Teletypes," I found out, were just Model 15 machine covers, each with a piece of yellow papers taped to the top to make them appear to be actual machines. Since they were always out-of-focus, I was told, that didn't matter.
>>> 
>> Oh, you must have felt so betrayed! I wonder how many spare covers Teletype sold to TV studios as props?
> I didn't feel betrayed, but I did feel chastened: I suggested that real machines would look more realistic, and one of the producers took me aside and said "We sell soap. That's all we do. We already know how to do it, and we don't need your ideas." 
> 
> So I learned a few things about television: 
> 
> 	? Appearances are reality.
> 	? They sell soap.
> 	? New ideas are not welcome. 
> FWIW. 
> 
> Bill, W4EWH

From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Wed Mar 25 00:28:27 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:28:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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 ?? 3 is why they go out of business.
 ??? Hint: When you see a news show change the set it means their 
ratings have fallen into the basement.

On 3/24/2020 9:03 PM, Bill Horne wrote:
> On 3/24/2020 7:23 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Bill Horne<w4ewh at outlook.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The "Teletypes," I found out, were just Model 15 machine covers, each with a piece of yellow papers taped to the top to make them appear to be actual machines. Since they were always out-of-focus, I was told, that didn't matter.
>> Oh, you must have felt so betrayed! I wonder how many spare covers Teletype sold to TV studios as props?
>
> I didn't feel betrayed, but I did feel chastened: I suggested 
> that real machines would look more realistic, and one of the 
> producers took me aside and said "We sell soap. That's all we 
> do. We already know how to do it, and we don't need your ideas."
>
> So I learned a few things about television:
>
>  1. Appearances *_are_* reality.
>  2. They sell soap.
>  3. New ideas are not welcome.
>
> FWIW.
>
> Bill, W4EWH
>
>
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Wed Mar 25 00:42:42 2020
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:42:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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On 3/24/20 7:56 PM, Bruce Gentry wrote:
>
> One of the worst things about teletypes in the backgrounds of 
> broadcasts was there was no effort to present the real sound.  What 
> was picked up was just hum and thumps. The whir of the gears, impact 
> of the type on the paper, and "tzatt tzatt" of the selector was 
> completely ignored as far as I have ever heard.  Still the muffled 
> sound was recognized by the public and often expected.  One of the 
> best "TV studio" sightings was in the movie 'Hairspray", there were 
> three or four model 28s on the news set, obstensively reporting a teen 
> popularity contest.
>
>        Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>
> On 3/24/20 6:26 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2020, Bill Horne wrote:
>>
>>> In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On my first 
>>> day, during break, I wandered down to the (abandoned) TV studio and 
>>> wen to inspect the Teletype machine that they showed in the 
>>> background of the opening to their news program.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Jut curious, was WRKO any relation to RKO Radio Pictures?  I loved 
>> seeing those old B&W films on TV (hey, all B&W films are good!), and 
>> especially the "RKO Radio Pictures V V V" being transmitted in CW :-)
>>
>> -- Dave VK2KFU
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From kwlueck at swbell.net  Wed Mar 25 10:56:46 2020
From: kwlueck at swbell.net (Keith Lueck)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:56:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] NOS 33 type cylinder on stealbay?
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I'm pretty sure the one on the right is for a 33.??
FYI:Lot of 2 Different Vintage 1970?s Teletype Corp Letter Image Typing Print Wheels | eBay


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I don't need one, thankfully, but I figured someone else on the list might.? I wonder what machine the one on the left went to?No connection to the seller, yada yada...??
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From trnsrme at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 12:07:26 2020
From: trnsrme at gmail.com (Kenneth Gartland)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:07:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewheels...
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Hi all!

The type wheel in the left side of photo is for a Teletype model 38,
probably very difficult to find...

Cheers!

Ken

VE3-HMQ

Sent from my iPad

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 13:36:27 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:36:27 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeUvbQCcCS2jU=eWzXTwGTr3=i_cQjQWvT9PqcduRW3bw@mail.gmail.com>

If you are lucky, you learn something new every day.

As a result of conversing with Dan Jones about his 28KSR, I looked up info
on
the two styles of Model 28 skin tight (rack mount) cabinet - See
573-134-801TC

I hadn't come across a photo or info on a US Navy KSR version using
the LPC206BR cover before, but there were indeed both Navy RO (TT-306/UG)
and KSR (TT-307/UG) units.
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ro/tt306-ro-1611-01.jpg
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/28ksr-skintight.jpg

There's also the LPC202BR skin tight cover as used on the TT-176/UG
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/tt176-01.jpg

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From groupsrichart at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 13:56:47 2020
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:56:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
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RKO General resulted from the sale of RKO Pictures to General Tire in 
1955. General Tire merged all its broadcast holdings into the holding 
company RKO General in 1959. RKO General operated six TV stations and a 
dozen radio stations between 1959 and 1991. General Tire had invested 
heavily in broadcasting beginning in 1943, and with the advent of TV the 
purchase of the studio was mainly for RKO's extensive library which 
could be shown on TV. RKO Studios stopped movie production in 1957 and 
the facilities were sold to Desilu Productions.

73, Tim WS4V

>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2020, Bill Horne wrote:
>>
>>> In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On my first 
>>> day, during break, I wandered down to the (abandoned) TV studio and 
>>> wen to inspect the Teletype machine that they showed in the 
>>> background of the opening to their news program.
>>
>> Jut curious, was WRKO any relation to RKO Radio Pictures?? I loved 
>> seeing those old B&W films on TV (hey, all B&W films are good!), and 
>> especially the "RKO Radio Pictures V V V" being transmitted in CW :-)
>
>
> The stations was owned by RKO General, but I don't know if they were 
> the company that made the RKO pictures
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 25 13:58:22 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:58:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
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It has been difficult to wrap one's brain around that series of cabinets 
(covers?).

In my previous Teletype life I had never heard a label other than skin 
tight.  (I had a KSR and an RO in bell system gray which I suspect may 
have come from the Chicago Board of Trade)

Coming back into it and doing a lot of reading before having any 
machines, I kept seeing terms like compact and rack mount as well. And 
this is just in the Teletype literature.

And then recently I realized that skintight can be either 17 or 17.5" 
wide.  That may be where the rack mount term came into the picture.

So I like to use only the term skin tight for LPC206 like 
cover/cabinets.  (is it a cover or a cabinet?)

So then we see compacts like AN/UGC-20/25 and TT-176.  As near as I can 
tell both of those get the compact label, but you can also find 
reference to these as skin tight.  And I see the TT-176 labeled as rack 
mount also.

Did I make it more confusing?  I'm not sure even Teletype was consistent.

John, W9DDD

On 3/25/2020 12:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
> If you are lucky, you learn something new every day.
> 
> As a result of conversing with Dan Jones about his 28KSR, I looked up 
> info on
> the two styles of Model 28 skin tight (rack mount) cabinet - See 
> 573-134-801TC
> 
> I hadn't come across a photo or info on a US Navy KSR version using
> the LPC206BR cover before, but there were indeed both Navy RO (TT-306/UG)
> and KSR (TT-307/UG) units.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ro/tt306-ro-1611-01.jpg
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/28ksr-skintight.jpg
> 
> There's also the LPC202BR skin tight cover as used on the TT-176/UG
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/tt176-01.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> 
> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 25 14:15:13 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:15:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
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Sometimes you need to read something several times.

The TT-176 style cover is described by Teletype as:
Send-Receive Skintight Cover (Rack Mounted)

The LPC206 style cover is described as:
Send-Receive or Receive-Only Skintight Cover
There are 3 part numbers for this cover due to two widths (17 or 17.5") 
and variation in ventilation holes.  The 17" wide can be used with 
extended base for an LESU.

(Is the horse dead yet>)

John, W9DDD

On 3/25/2020 12:58 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> It has been difficult to wrap one's brain around that series of cabinets 
> (covers?).
> 
> In my previous Teletype life I had never heard a label other than skin 
> tight.? (I had a KSR and an RO in bell system gray which I suspect may 
> have come from the Chicago Board of Trade)
> 
> Coming back into it and doing a lot of reading before having any 
> machines, I kept seeing terms like compact and rack mount as well. And 
> this is just in the Teletype literature.
> 
> And then recently I realized that skintight can be either 17 or 17.5" 
> wide.? That may be where the rack mount term came into the picture.
> 
> So I like to use only the term skin tight for LPC206 like 
> cover/cabinets.? (is it a cover or a cabinet?)
> 
> So then we see compacts like AN/UGC-20/25 and TT-176.? As near as I can 
> tell both of those get the compact label, but you can also find 
> reference to these as skin tight.? And I see the TT-176 labeled as rack 
> mount also.
> 
> Did I make it more confusing?? I'm not sure even Teletype was consistent.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 3/25/2020 12:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>> If you are lucky, you learn something new every day.
>>
>> As a result of conversing with Dan Jones about his 28KSR, I looked up 
>> info on
>> the two styles of Model 28 skin tight (rack mount) cabinet - See 
>> 573-134-801TC
>>
>> I hadn't come across a photo or info on a US Navy KSR version using
>> the LPC206BR cover before, but there were indeed both Navy RO (TT-306/UG)
>> and KSR (TT-307/UG) units.
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ro/tt306-ro-1611-01.jpg
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/28ksr-skintight.jpg
>>
>> There's also the LPC202BR skin tight cover as used on the TT-176/UG
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/tt176-01.jpg
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 14:25:16 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:25:16 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typewheels...
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Folks, I went ahead and bought these. I do not have a need for either one. But I?ve seen too many things like this disappear into a private stock, not by people not in our group, never to be seen again. I did not want to see that happen here.

So, when I receive these two type elements I will see if they have part numbers and report to this group what they are and that they are available. In this case, if you need one (key word being need, not want, please), I?ll ask you to cover the cost I incurred to acquire these particular items (and not a cent more except postage). I?ll be glad to hold these for as long as I?m able, so if not today maybe someone needs one in the future. I?ll have it.

Please don?t ask me for one until I have them in my possession.

Paul
W2TTY


> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Kenneth Gartland <trnsrme at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> The type wheel in the left side of photo is for a Teletype model 38,
> probably very difficult to find...
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Ken
> 
> VE3-HMQ
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 14:35:27 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:35:27 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
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No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or
"skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". And
an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set (skin
tight cover)".

You just gotta know one when you see one..

The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight

Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to put
on a rack mount shelf.
The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32 electrical
type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).

Nick England K4NYW
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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Wed Mar 25 14:38:52 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:38:52 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
In-Reply-To: <5d7793ef-a0c5-af99-6a9d-ae087f842120@tapr.org>
References: <5d7793ef-a0c5-af99-6a9d-ae087f842120@tapr.org>
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I love learning new things.  That?s why I am here.  

This whole conversation started when I asked about the cabinet color.  Mine is Tan on the outside but gray on the inside and I was not sure if it was an original color or not.  

Dan K6YIC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:17, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Sometimes you need to read something several times.
> 
> The TT-176 style cover is described by Teletype as:
> Send-Receive Skintight Cover (Rack Mounted)
> 
> The LPC206 style cover is described as:
> Send-Receive or Receive-Only Skintight Cover
> There are 3 part numbers for this cover due to two widths (17 or 17.5") and variation in ventilation holes.  The 17" wide can be used with extended base for an LESU.
> 
> (Is the horse dead yet>)
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
>> On 3/25/2020 12:58 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> It has been difficult to wrap one's brain around that series of cabinets (covers?).
>> In my previous Teletype life I had never heard a label other than skin tight.  (I had a KSR and an RO in bell system gray which I suspect may have come from the Chicago Board of Trade)
>> Coming back into it and doing a lot of reading before having any machines, I kept seeing terms like compact and rack mount as well. And this is just in the Teletype literature.
>> And then recently I realized that skintight can be either 17 or 17.5" wide.  That may be where the rack mount term came into the picture.
>> So I like to use only the term skin tight for LPC206 like cover/cabinets.  (is it a cover or a cabinet?)
>> So then we see compacts like AN/UGC-20/25 and TT-176.  As near as I can tell both of those get the compact label, but you can also find reference to these as skin tight.  And I see the TT-176 labeled as rack mount also.
>> Did I make it more confusing?  I'm not sure even Teletype was consistent.
>> John, W9DDD
>>> On 3/25/2020 12:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>> If you are lucky, you learn something new every day.
>>> 
>>> As a result of conversing with Dan Jones about his 28KSR, I looked up info on
>>> the two styles of Model 28 skin tight (rack mount) cabinet - See 573-134-801TC
>>> 
>>> I hadn't come across a photo or info on a US Navy KSR version using
>>> the LPC206BR cover before, but there were indeed both Navy RO (TT-306/UG)
>>> and KSR (TT-307/UG) units.
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ro/tt306-ro-1611-01.jpg
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/28ksr-skintight.jpg
>>> 
>>> There's also the LPC202BR skin tight cover as used on the TT-176/UG
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/tt176-01.jpg
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>> 
>>> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 25 14:48:12 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:48:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
In-Reply-To: <673F674B-36E9-4B3F-B7D0-42B2B4AC6BFB@K6YIC.com>
References: <5d7793ef-a0c5-af99-6a9d-ae087f842120@tapr.org>
	<673F674B-36E9-4B3F-B7D0-42B2B4AC6BFB@K6YIC.com>
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Some times there's a 2 letter color code on the inside of the cabinet or 
cover as a suffix to the model number as in LPC206BR.  I think you'll 
find that even if the interior is the same color as the outside, it's a 
different finish.  The exterior being more glossy than the inside.  The 
two skin tights I had were gray both in and out.  Perhaps gray was the 
default was gray interior, since I suspect a vast majority of the skin 
tights were gray.  Then if they had an order for something different 
they just kicked it aside to give it the different exterior.

John, W9DDD

On 3/25/2020 1:38 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
> I love learning new things.  That?s why I am here.
> 
> This whole conversation started when I asked about the cabinet color.  Mine is Tan on the outside but gray on the inside and I was not sure if it was an original color or not.
> 
> Dan K6YIC
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:17, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Sometimes you need to read something several times.
>>
>> The TT-176 style cover is described by Teletype as:
>> Send-Receive Skintight Cover (Rack Mounted)
>>
>> The LPC206 style cover is described as:
>> Send-Receive or Receive-Only Skintight Cover
>> There are 3 part numbers for this cover due to two widths (17 or 17.5") and variation in ventilation holes.  The 17" wide can be used with extended base for an LESU.
>>
>> (Is the horse dead yet>)
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>>> On 3/25/2020 12:58 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>>> It has been difficult to wrap one's brain around that series of cabinets (covers?).
>>> In my previous Teletype life I had never heard a label other than skin tight.  (I had a KSR and an RO in bell system gray which I suspect may have come from the Chicago Board of Trade)
>>> Coming back into it and doing a lot of reading before having any machines, I kept seeing terms like compact and rack mount as well. And this is just in the Teletype literature.
>>> And then recently I realized that skintight can be either 17 or 17.5" wide.  That may be where the rack mount term came into the picture.
>>> So I like to use only the term skin tight for LPC206 like cover/cabinets.  (is it a cover or a cabinet?)
>>> So then we see compacts like AN/UGC-20/25 and TT-176.  As near as I can tell both of those get the compact label, but you can also find reference to these as skin tight.  And I see the TT-176 labeled as rack mount also.
>>> Did I make it more confusing?  I'm not sure even Teletype was consistent.
>>> John, W9DDD
>>>> On 3/25/2020 12:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>>> If you are lucky, you learn something new every day.
>>>>
>>>> As a result of conversing with Dan Jones about his 28KSR, I looked up info on
>>>> the two styles of Model 28 skin tight (rack mount) cabinet - See 573-134-801TC
>>>>
>>>> I hadn't come across a photo or info on a US Navy KSR version using
>>>> the LPC206BR cover before, but there were indeed both Navy RO (TT-306/UG)
>>>> and KSR (TT-307/UG) units.
>>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ro/tt306-ro-1611-01.jpg
>>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/28ksr-skintight.jpg
>>>>
>>>> There's also the LPC202BR skin tight cover as used on the TT-176/UG
>>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ksr/tt176-01.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>>>
>>>>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Wed Mar 25 15:35:57 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:35:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype sounds in newscasts
In-Reply-To: <586d1efd-71e6-79da-c9a7-a42f6b8374f3@gmail.com>
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 ?? I was going by memory. A pretty complete history of RKO 
appears on Wikipedia at:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKO_Pictures>

Some history of WRKO and its predecessors is at:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRKO>

 ?? Lots of musical chairs with call letters.

On 3/25/2020 10:56 AM, groupsrichart at gmail.com wrote:
>
> RKO General resulted from the sale of RKO Pictures to General 
> Tire in 1955. General Tire merged all its broadcast holdings 
> into the holding company RKO General in 1959. RKO General 
> operated six TV stations and a dozen radio stations between 
> 1959 and 1991. General Tire had invested heavily in 
> broadcasting beginning in 1943, and with the advent of TV the 
> purchase of the studio was mainly for RKO's extensive library 
> which could be shown on TV. RKO Studios stopped movie 
> production in 1957 and the facilities were sold to Desilu 
> Productions.
>
> 73, Tim WS4V
>
>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2020, Bill Horne wrote:
>>>
>>>> In 1976, I was a newly-hired engineer at WRKO in Boston. On 
>>>> my first day, during break, I wandered down to the 
>>>> (abandoned) TV studio and wen to inspect the Teletype 
>>>> machine that they showed in the background of the opening to 
>>>> their news program.
>>>
>>> Jut curious, was WRKO any relation to RKO Radio Pictures?? I 
>>> loved seeing those old B&W films on TV (hey, all B&W films 
>>> are good!), and especially the "RKO Radio Pictures V V V" 
>>> being transmitted in CW :-)
>>
>>
>> The stations was owned by RKO General, but I don't know if 
>> they were the company that made the RKO pictures
>>
>>
>
>
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From John at tubetestingpros.com  Wed Mar 25 15:57:01 2020
From: John at tubetestingpros.com (John)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:57:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcC786mVdgZQXrJg4uTmPKCZ-znbucozfgmn=RAqmNOgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeUvbQCcCS2jU=eWzXTwGTr3=i_cQjQWvT9PqcduRW3bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8761c8f7-0cdf-da11-375e-047fc71c97d0@tapr.org>
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Message-ID: <80bd872d-b8dd-1ea1-622a-93eaa26724c0@tubetestingpros.com>

Greetings Greenkeyers!

Here is a shot of my 28 Compact - or rather I was told that this is a 
"Compact" - dunno for sure.

Runs nicely, recent ITTY on the paper, rescued along with a larger hoard 
of machines last year.

Cheers

John KB6SCO
Carson City

On 3/25/2020 11:35 AM, Nick England wrote:
> No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or 
> "skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". 
> And an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set 
> (skin tight cover)".
>
> You just gotta know one when you see one..
>
> The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight
>
> Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to 
> put on a rack mount shelf.
> The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32 
> electrical type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).
>
> Nick England K4NYW
>
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From timothy.colegrove at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 17:40:13 2020
From: timothy.colegrove at gmail.com (Timothy Colegrove)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:40:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Seeking ASR-33 Tape Reader Switch
Message-ID: <CAN4fr8N9SYE6Q+BAcOnuZrmJ24+ZcmNX5XTkv0d3_Nw5X+1ipA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone! The switch on my asr-33's tape reader has snapped off. Does
anyone have a replacement?
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From John at tubetestingpros.com  Wed Mar 25 17:52:58 2020
From: John at tubetestingpros.com (John)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:52:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Seeking ASR-33 Tape Reader Switch
In-Reply-To: <CAN4fr8N9SYE6Q+BAcOnuZrmJ24+ZcmNX5XTkv0d3_Nw5X+1ipA@mail.gmail.com>
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I was going to say "Just snap it back on!"? but that would plain-old 
rude....

;}


Cheerz

John KB6SCO

Carson City

On 3/25/2020 2:40 PM, Timothy Colegrove wrote:
> Hey everyone! The switch on my asr-33's tape reader has snapped off. 
> Does anyone have a replacement?
>

From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 18:01:57 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:01:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reproduction ASR 33 type wheels made
Message-ID: <CAE1er57Wq3YFmJ=bZUXk05GY=W2c-E_fYZ1hb31buhQfXOg2bA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
an asr 33 type wheel.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
process they think may work.

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of
advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
detailed guide as would be required.

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
have fun!
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Wed Mar 25 18:12:54 2020
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:12:54 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-8000A Story
References: <53007656-0497-4821-A6F4-416F4DBCED04.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <53007656-0497-4821-A6F4-416F4DBCED04@att.net>

I recently took a risk and purchased a rather shabby looking ST-8000A ?for parts only? at a price I couldn?t refuse ($65 + shipping) on our favorite auction site (there was a lot of corrosion on the case, but the interior looked OK). I checked it out when I received it and found the demodulator to be working, but the modulator appeared to be stuck at 2048 Hz (failed bit test 6). Thanks to Jeff Angus and the helpful people at Barrett Communications USA, I got a number of copies of the Operator?s Manual, but schematics are apparently unobtainable. However, since the ST-8000A is a militarized/modified version of the ST-8000 (I have schematics for the ST-8000), I thought that ST-8000 schematics might at least point me in the right direction. I was really surprised to find that the circuitry was more similar than I had hoped. After further troubleshooting, I found that the modulator would actually have an output within a limited frequency range, but not what was dialed in. The ST-8000A modulator clock circuit is just a slightly modified version of the ST-8000 circuit. It didn?t take too much longer to find a bit stuck low, causing the 12-bit adder circuit (modulator clock synthesizer) to come up with the wrong sum. I received a replacement 74HCT374 today from Digi-Key and installed it. The modem is now back in operational condition! (I also used a lot of scouring powder and some sandpaper to remove a lot of white corrosion from the bottom lid and one side - it cleaned up nicely.)

73,
Bill
KE3BK

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 25 19:41:25 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:41:25 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
In-Reply-To: <80bd872d-b8dd-1ea1-622a-93eaa26724c0@tubetestingpros.com>
References: <CAB55hNeUvbQCcCS2jU=eWzXTwGTr3=i_cQjQWvT9PqcduRW3bw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<80bd872d-b8dd-1ea1-622a-93eaa26724c0@tubetestingpros.com>
Message-ID: <86F468FA-120A-400A-B039-229CAD78D437@comcast.net>

Interesting. Here are two of mine from the ?to be checked out / to be restored? area of my shack. The first pic is what I was told by an authority is a skin tight 28 (whatever that means). The paper on it says ?100WPM TELETYPE NEW?.  I don?t know what feed it was receiving that printed that, and am unsure what gears it really has in it. I was told it is ready for ITTY, but have not had a chance to try it and the paper makes me thing the speed is wrong.  Unlike a normal 28 it does not have a LESU. I am assuming the selector magnets hook directly to the loop, but I have not gone through the machine yet.




This second pic is closer to what you have, John. I was not able to identify this machine as a 28. It has a three speed gearbox it it. To the left of the keyboard is a lever (can?t see it in my photo) to switch speds. John, I can see there is a lever on yours as well. Is yours three speed?








Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003

ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 1:57 PM, John <John at tubetestingpros.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings Greenkeyers!
> 
> Here is a shot of my 28 Compact - or rather I was told that this is a "Compact" - dunno for sure.
> 
> Runs nicely, recent ITTY on the paper, rescued along with a larger hoard of machines last year.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> John KB6SCO
> Carson City
> 
> On 3/25/2020 11:35 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or "skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". And an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set (skin tight cover)". 
>> 
>> You just gotta know one when you see one..
>> 
>> The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight
>> 
>> Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to put on a rack mount shelf.
>> The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32 electrical type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).
>> 
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 19:51:02 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:51:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
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Photo 1 is a skin tight (rack mount) 28KSR in an LPC206 or LPC213 cabinet.

Photo 2 is a Compact 28KSR, perhaps US Navy AN/UGC-20.

Cheers
Nick


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:41 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Interesting. Here are two of mine from the ?to be checked out / to be
> restored? area of my shack. The first pic is what I was told by an
> authority is a skin tight 28 (whatever that means). The paper on it says
> ?100WPM TELETYPE NEW?.  I don?t know what feed it was receiving that
> printed that, and am unsure what gears it really has in it. I was told it
> is ready for ITTY, but have not had a chance to try it and the paper makes
> me thing the speed is wrong.  Unlike a normal 28 it does not have a LESU. I
> am assuming the selector magnets hook directly to the loop, but I have not
> gone through the machine yet.
>
>
>
> This second pic is closer to what you have, John. I was not able to
> identify this machine as a 28. It has a three speed gearbox it it. To the
> left of the keyboard is a lever (can?t see it in my photo) to switch speds.
> John, I can see there is a lever on yours as well. Is yours three speed?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
> i-Telex: 80003
>
> ITTY:   HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100:   HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
> AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 1:57 PM, John <John at tubetestingpros.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings Greenkeyers!
>
> Here is a shot of my 28 Compact - or rather I was told that this is a
> "Compact" - dunno for sure.
>
> Runs nicely, recent ITTY on the paper, rescued along with a larger hoard
> of machines last year.
>
> Cheers
>
> John KB6SCO
> Carson City
> On 3/25/2020 11:35 AM, Nick England wrote:
>
> No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or
> "skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". And
> an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set (skin
> tight cover)".
>
> You just gotta know one when you see one..
>
> The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight
>
> Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to put
> on a rack mount shelf.
> The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32
> electrical type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).
>
> Nick England K4NYW
>
> <Mod28 Compact.jpg>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 20:28:37 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:28:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
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It is Ethan?s video. He?s a greenkeyer that I see at Dayton each year.
Except this year, dang it!
Nick

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:58 PM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> FYI, there is actually ONE Hal ST-6 video on Youtube, and it happens to
> talk about repairing one, going into details about board placement and what
> not. Its actually a really good vid, its just a shame they didn't show much
> of the actual usage of it, other than it actually working.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI
>
> Enjoy! Maybe we can do some RTTY on HF someday (if I ever get my radio
> stuff sorted out).
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
> --
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From til128 at juno.com  Wed Mar 25 20:40:18 2020
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:40:18 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
Message-ID: <20200325.204018.17507.1@webmail13.dca.untd.com>

FYI: The compacts DID have a LESU It was contained in a seperate cabinet to the rear of the unit.

Tom

Please note: message attached

From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: John <John at tubetestingpros.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:41:25 -0600


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Interesting. Here are two of mine from the ?to be checked out / to be restored? area of my shack. The first pic is what I was told by an authority is a skin tight 28 (whatever that means). The paper on it says ?100WPM TELETYPE NEW?.  I don?t know what feed it was receiving that printed that, and am unsure what gears it really has in it. I was told it is ready for ITTY, but have not had a chance to try it and the paper makes me thing the speed is wrong.  Unlike a normal 28 it does not have a LESU. I am assuming the selector magnets hook directly to the loop, but I have not gone through the machine yet.




This second pic is closer to what you have, John. I was not able to identify this machine as a 28. It has a three speed gearbox it it. To the left of the keyboard is a lever (can?t see it in my photo) to switch speds. John, I can see there is a lever on yours as well. Is yours three speed?








Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003

ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 1:57 PM, John <John at tubetestingpros.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings Greenkeyers!
> 
> Here is a shot of my 28 Compact - or rather I was told that this is a "Compact" - dunno for sure.
> 
> Runs nicely, recent ITTY on the paper, rescued along with a larger hoard of machines last year.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> John KB6SCO
> Carson City
> 
> On 3/25/2020 11:35 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or "skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". And an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set (skin tight cover)". 
>> 
>> You just gotta know one when you see one..
>> 
>> The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight
>> 
>> Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to put on a rack mount shelf.
>> The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32 electrical type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).
>> 
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> 
> <Mod28 Compact.jpg>______________________________________________________________
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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Wed Mar 25 20:53:05 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:53:05 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
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That first picture is just like mine. 

Dan K6YIC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 16:42, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Interesting. Here are two of mine from the ?to be checked out / to be restored? area of my shack. The first pic is what I was told by an authority is a skin tight 28 (whatever that means). The paper on it says ?100WPM TELETYPE NEW?.  I don?t know what feed it was receiving that printed that, and am unsure what gears it really has in it. I was told it is ready for ITTY, but have not had a chance to try it and the paper makes me thing the speed is wrong.  Unlike a normal 28 it does not have a LESU. I am assuming the selector magnets hook directly to the loop, but I have not gone through the machine yet.
> 
> <IMG_1200.jpeg>
> 
> 
> This second pic is closer to what you have, John. I was not able to identify this machine as a 28. It has a three speed gearbox it it. To the left of the keyboard is a lever (can?t see it in my photo) to switch speds. John, I can see there is a lever on yours as well. Is yours three speed?
> 
> 
> 
> <IMG_1201.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> i-Telex: 80003
> 
> ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 1:57 PM, John <John at tubetestingpros.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings Greenkeyers!
>> 
>> Here is a shot of my 28 Compact - or rather I was told that this is a "Compact" - dunno for sure.
>> 
>> Runs nicely, recent ITTY on the paper, rescued along with a larger hoard of machines last year.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> John KB6SCO
>> Carson City
>> 
>> On 3/25/2020 11:35 AM, Nick England wrote:
>>> No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or "skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". And an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set (skin tight cover)". 
>>> 
>>> You just gotta know one when you see one..
>>> 
>>> The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight
>>> 
>>> Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to put on a rack mount shelf.
>>> The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32 electrical type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).
>>> 
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> 
>> <Mod28 Compact.jpg>______________________________________________________________
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Mar 25 22:17:28 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:17:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
In-Reply-To: <20200325.204018.17507.1@webmail13.dca.untd.com>
References: <20200325.204018.17507.1@webmail13.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <C765DCBA-DE98-41DA-AEDA-ED8F1BC84D50@tapr.org>

Not all of them did.  I had 2 of them years ago that didn't.  Those that do have a different (longer) sub-base.

John, W9DDD


> On Mar 25, 2020, at 7:40 PM, "til128 at juno.com" <til128 at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI: The compacts DID have a LESU It was contained in a seperate cabinet to the rear of the unit.
> 
> Tom
> 
> Please note: message attached
> 
> From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> To: John <John at tubetestingpros.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] M28 cabinets - skin tight vs skin tight
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:41:25 -0600
> 
> 
> Interesting. Here are two of mine from the ?to be checked out / to be restored? area of my shack. The first pic is what I was told by an authority is a skin tight 28 (whatever that means). The paper on it says ?100WPM TELETYPE NEW?.  I don?t know what feed it was receiving that printed that, and am unsure what gears it really has in it. I was told it is ready for ITTY, but have not had a chance to try it and the paper makes me thing the speed is wrong.  Unlike a normal 28 it does not have a LESU. I am assuming the selector magnets hook directly to the loop, but I have not gone through the machine yet.
> 
> <IMG_1200.jpeg>
> 
> 
> This second pic is closer to what you have, John. I was not able to identify this machine as a 28. It has a three speed gearbox it it. To the left of the keyboard is a lever (can?t see it in my photo) to switch speds. John, I can see there is a lever on yours as well. Is yours three speed?
> 
> 
> 
> <IMG_1201.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> i-Telex: 80003
> 
> ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 1:57 PM, John <John at tubetestingpros.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings Greenkeyers!
>> 
>> Here is a shot of my 28 Compact - or rather I was told that this is a "Compact" - dunno for sure.
>> 
>> Runs nicely, recent ITTY on the paper, rescued along with a larger hoard of machines last year.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> John KB6SCO
>> Carson City
>>> On 3/25/2020 11:35 AM, Nick England wrote:
>>> No, Teletype definitely wasn't consistent. They used "skin tight" or "skintight", "cover" or "cabinet", and "rack mount" or "rack mounted". And an LPC206 style KSR or RO was referred to as a "rack mounted set (skin tight cover)". 
>>> 
>>> You just gotta know one when you see one..
>>> 
>>> The TT-176 is not a Compact - it is a rack mount and/or skintight
>>> 
>>> Definitely a Compact is a Compact, even though it is narrow enough to put on a rack mount shelf.
>>> The Compact KSR does not have a mechanical keyboard. It is a M32 electrical type (UGC-20) or photoelectric (UGC-77).
>>> 
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>> <Mod28 Compact.jpg>______________________________________________________________
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From ke5lib001 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 21:06:57 2020
From: ke5lib001 at gmail.com (Mark Hall)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:06:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeCcPVq95oG187s9fv2qrtif1K8esbZ9+N7YhJTM_ZorQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNeCcPVq95oG187s9fv2qrtif1K8esbZ9+N7YhJTM_ZorQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJpJLrZTBpMc7itL8rR2q6L72aTrk=cnjyjSQ562mzJmJet_Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!

Think there's a way to let Ethan know that a few of us other Greenkeyers
would just LOVE it if he did a Part 2 for his ST-6 YouTube video? The first
one and the literature Ralph shared with me helped me troubleshoot my ST-6.
I'm down to replacing discrete components like caps and resistors that are
out of spec or leaking. So thanks for the first, and please think about
making the second one...

In fact, for anyone who is a veteran of maintaining any demodulator/TU
device I will say this: It's one thing for some of us to "slog through"
literature to figure out how to debug a piece of vintage gear and possibly
have success, but to have others that can "pool" their experiences with a
piece of gear- like Ethan has with the ST-6, and make a good detailed video
about it, along with "tips and tricks" about connecting, using and even
reasonable modification with a view to longevity, ease of maintenance and
restoration would "rule the day" and preserve for tomorrow the miracles of
yesterday that are still present and pressed into service even today.

Greenkeys epitomizes the amazing sharing of mental power toward its goal of
preserving and enjoying in the present sense and time the glorious art of
communication. It never ceases to amaze me in brief span of less than two
human generations we have come from telegraphy and telephony to the
internet and A.I.
This makes the importance of preserving things as significant as Ray
Bradbury's monumental "Fahrenheit 451". We may not of ourselves become
"chapter and verse" of history as the characters of Bradbury's work became
but our task is no less important!

In a world of generalists the guru is the emperor. I would be happy to be
Paul Cembura's pet grunt and learn all he knows, or a scribe to Jim Haynes,
and preserve his wisdom. If there is a Dovetron grand master out there, I'd
love to work with that person, and learn all he or she would know. Then
before I shuffle off this mortal coil, be able to pass on to a "disciple"
all I know, and my archives, and my wizard's staff and cape.

For some it may sound like insanity. But for some, it is enchanting as a
J.R.R. Tolkien odyssey.

OK gents, time for my evening medication, then to sleep, perchance to
dream...

73!

Mark

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:28 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is Ethan?s video. He?s a greenkeyer that I see at Dayton each year.
> Except this year, dang it!
> Nick
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:58 PM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>
>> FYI, there is actually ONE Hal ST-6 video on Youtube, and it happens to
>> talk about repairing one, going into details about board placement and what
>> not. Its actually a really good vid, its just a shame they didn't show much
>> of the actual usage of it, other than it actually working.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI
>>
>> Enjoy! Maybe we can do some RTTY on HF someday (if I ever get my radio
>> stuff sorted out).
>>
>> Jeff KC3GJX
>>
>> --
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From macbax1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 16:31:53 2020
From: macbax1 at gmail.com (Joe Clanin)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:31:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Flexowriter FIO
Message-ID: <CAK1UwOZoavYFi-vCWXh=S+Ss2DY+TZ-3f3ow3XDhiM3B2FN8Lg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi GreenKeyers,

Admittedly, this is more of a brown-keyed question, but hopefully someone
around here can help me out. I recently acquired a Friden Flexowriter in
(mostly) good working order. The number of different Flexowriter
configurations is dizzying and I am having trouble locating my particular
model in the documentation available on bitsavers.org.

The badge on my machine indicates that the model is "FIO". It appears to be
a 7-level machine (evidently physically capable of punching and reading 8
level code, but never utilizing the 8th bit). My guess is that it could
have originally been for use with DEC-FIO, but I am not sure.

Any information is appreciated!

Best,

Joe
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From elb at kb8ojh.net  Thu Mar 26 17:16:50 2020
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:16:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200326211650.GA10330@mail.kb8ojh.net>

Sorry, I'm woefully behind on Greenkeys; I read it sporadically, but
I'm teaching at a University and the semester is always rough -- and
we just went to online, which has caused a further bobble in my
schedule.  Nick pinged me, though, so I came back to find this.  :-)

Jeff G wrote:
> FYI, there is actually ONE Hal ST-6 video on Youtube, and it happens to
> talk about repairing one, going into details about board placement and what
> not. Its actually a really good vid, its just a shame they didn't show much
> of the actual usage of it, other than it actually working.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI

That's me!  I'm glad you enjoyed it; I have plans for a couple more
videos with the ST-6, one figuring out what's wrong with the motor
control circuit (if anything) and one comparing its operation and
performance with and without the limiter engaged.  However, I have too
many projects on the shelf!  I haven't been back to the ST-6 for about
a year or so.

I could also do a video of one on the air, I do have a video decoding
RTTY off the air using a 5000.

The trouble with using my video to figure out where the boards should
be placed (as a previous poster asked about) is that they _are_ kits;
there's no guarantee that my chassis is quite exactly what another is.
You'd need to at _least_ verify the card edge orientation and position
with a multimeter and the original schematic (which is what I did to
make sure my chassis, which ahd been marked by some previous owner,
was marked correctly).

Ethan

From elb at kb8ojh.net  Thu Mar 26 17:17:33 2020
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:17:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeCcPVq95oG187s9fv2qrtif1K8esbZ9+N7YhJTM_ZorQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNeCcPVq95oG187s9fv2qrtif1K8esbZ9+N7YhJTM_ZorQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200326211733.GB10330@mail.kb8ojh.net>

Nick England wrote:
> It is Ethan?s video. He?s a greenkeyer that I see at Dayton each year.
> Except this year, dang it!

:-(

Stopping by to chat with Greenkeyers has become one of my favorite
parts of Hamvention.  I'll definitely miss it this year.

Ethan

From jeffg at junknet.net  Thu Mar 26 17:32:50 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:32:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
In-Reply-To: <20200326211650.GA10330@mail.kb8ojh.net>
References: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200326211650.GA10330@mail.kb8ojh.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK6WscKkYdV8g8qVeAYmqv4LwZFjQaH3tXWCj3BnrGUDnn-FA@mail.gmail.com>

Sweet! Yeah I have mine working, mostly on ITTY, but I was actually trying
it on the air with all my new-found time. Its not super complicated in
terms of OK here's a rtty signal, tune it for maximum meter deflection and
let er rip, but sometimes a newb just wants to see it done to make sure I'm
doing it right. I did eventually have it copying RTTY once I switched to
LSB, and I have to make a better cable. I also didn't know the FT-857D has
a "digital" mode that includes RTTY (sort of), so once I RTFM I got it
better. If I'm not mistaken, the digital mode has a settable BFO offset
which may let me move the signal up to the appropriate freq for the ST-6.

Still haven't transmitted though - once I make the cable I'll try that side
of things. My antenna sucks so I don't even think I'm making it off the
block.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:17 PM Ethan Blanton <elb at kb8ojh.net> wrote:

> Sorry, I'm woefully behind on Greenkeys; I read it sporadically, but
> I'm teaching at a University and the semester is always rough -- and
> we just went to online, which has caused a further bobble in my
> schedule.  Nick pinged me, though, so I came back to find this.  :-)
>
> Jeff G wrote:
> > FYI, there is actually ONE Hal ST-6 video on Youtube, and it happens to
> > talk about repairing one, going into details about board placement and
> what
> > not. Its actually a really good vid, its just a shame they didn't show
> much
> > of the actual usage of it, other than it actually working.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1PTIV3BxI
>
> That's me!  I'm glad you enjoyed it; I have plans for a couple more
> videos with the ST-6, one figuring out what's wrong with the motor
> control circuit (if anything) and one comparing its operation and
> performance with and without the limiter engaged.  However, I have too
> many projects on the shelf!  I haven't been back to the ST-6 for about
> a year or so.
>
> I could also do a video of one on the air, I do have a video decoding
> RTTY off the air using a 5000.
>
> The trouble with using my video to figure out where the boards should
> be placed (as a previous poster asked about) is that they _are_ kits;
> there's no guarantee that my chassis is quite exactly what another is.
> You'd need to at _least_ verify the card edge orientation and position
> with a multimeter and the original schematic (which is what I did to
> make sure my chassis, which ahd been marked by some previous owner,
> was marked correctly).
>
> Ethan
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 26 18:33:58 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:33:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-6's in this day and time (also old enough to
 remember all those tobacco ads)
In-Reply-To: <20200326211650.GA10330@mail.kb8ojh.net>
References: <CAJpJLrZPQ=PFcDZMo91S9JqAaXjEccQvE8Mx2yC-xdubTGAFBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPK6WsfANUEZQYCnYxE5N6jirVX=j7s0WrgOS+-XhnP_FsdQQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200326211650.GA10330@mail.kb8ojh.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003261720220.14396@Frances>

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Ethan Blanton wrote:

> That's me!  I'm glad you enjoyed it; I have plans for a couple more
> videos with the ST-6, one figuring out what's wrong with the motor
> control circuit (if anything) and one comparing its operation and
> performance with and without the limiter engaged.  However, I have too

When you talk about the limiter engaged, the ST-6 is far from correctly
designed.  The late Don Wiggins W4EHU explained all this in some article
in RTTY circa 1960.  If you're going to use a limiter you want the sharp
filtering ahead of the limiter, to try to make the desired signal as
strong as possible compared to the interference.  The limiter improves
the SNR for whatever is the strongest signal at its input.

But for that to work, when you use a limiter it needs to be followed by
a linear discriminator that is linear far beyond the shift of the FSK
signal.  The reason is that the limiter, with interference, produces
spikes in the instantaneous frequency of its output.  If you have a
wide linear discriminator these will average out so that the resulting
signal is close to the desired signal.  Then the low pass filter that
follows the discriminator will do the averaging.  If the discriminator
is sharply peaked, by using narrow filters such as are appropriate for
two-tone detection, the spikes do not average out.  So there needs to
be more done that just switching the limiter on and off.

But it seems like in these modern times the two-tone demodulators without
limiting usually outperform the limiter-discriminator demodulators.

The author of the Two Tone demodulator software told me that when he
read the early papers on two-tone detection he built a hardware 
demodulator working on those principles and it outperformed the ST-6.
But he didn't go into any detail and I don't know if he published
anything about the design.  Nowadays if you want high performance you
are going to use DSP to get it.

Of course for ITTY the signals are nearly perfect to begin with, so
practically anything will demodulate error-free.  It's a different
matter when you go into HF radio in the middle of a contest.

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 26 18:49:10 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:49:10 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Autostart testing.
Message-ID: <2B068235-5D1A-4AC6-A088-3A032480AC86@comcast.net>

For those copying Autostart, I am going to be tweaking things a bit and the Greenkeys posts that normally go out the autostart channel may be delayed.

Special thanks to Doug Nelson who?s been busy sending RTTY Art! I?ve been enjoying the daily pics. And it gives Tom a break from having to do it!

Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003

ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE



From hwhall at compuserve.com  Thu Mar 26 23:24:02 2020
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:24:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.?One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591.One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.
Thanks!
Wayne?WB4OGM
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From jdangus at att.net  Fri Mar 27 00:04:02 2020
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 23:04:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d793f8bd-bbc9-dc6c-30ae-fa619aefe257@att.net>

On 3/26/20 10:24 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> Does anyone recognize these?
Nice looking coils.
If you find out what they are for, could you let us know?


-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 03:09:11 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:09:11 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGE4UvMgtwJIpJJKF65P6VPCgAAAEAAAAPD+PfkTzcJImFFP73+vfN0BAAAAAA==@tlec.se>

I would have thought that they are external coils/antennas for a grid-dip meter

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> F?r hwhall at compuserve.com
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 04:24
Till: arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
?mne: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils

 

Does anyone recognize these?  About 2 inches long including the 3 pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.  

One says ANTENNA 3525 KC 24K47591.

One says ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.

I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.

 

Thanks!

 

Wayne 

WB4OGM

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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Mar 27 08:45:30 2020
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 12:45:30 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Could these be the coils for a BC-611?

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of hwhall at compuserve.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:24 PM
To: arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils

Does anyone recognize these?  About 2 inches long including the 3 pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.
One says ANTENNA 3525 KC 24K47591.
One says ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.

Thanks!

Wayne
WB4OGM
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Mar 27 09:19:35 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:19:35 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <ff8943a7-9b92-e747-de8b-ca596e21dd45@tapr.org>

BC-611 was the walkie talkie of WWII?  If so this starts to make sense. 
I kept thinking those look like Motorola part numbers.  Turns out 24 is 
the prefix of inductor part numbers in the Motorola numbering scheme.

John, W9DDD

On 3/27/2020 7:45 AM, W2HX wrote:
> Could these be the coils for a BC-611?
> 
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *hwhall at compuserve.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:24 PM
> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; 
> boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
> 
> Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 pins 
> on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms 
> embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.
> 
> One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591.
> 
> One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
> 
> I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures 
> through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them 
> via a group, email me & I'll send.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Wayne
> 
> WB4OGM
> 
> 
> 
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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 27 11:34:39 2020
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:34:39 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT:  Active age on surfaces for the Covid 19 virus
Message-ID: <SN6PR01MB3837043A5A81E9042C61FC9191CC0@SN6PR01MB3837.prod.exchangelabs.com>

This contact data should help us all (this URL starts with https:// and ends with /286634001/)

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/03/25/coronavirus-survives-on-metal-plastic-cardboard-common-objects/2866340001/

Sorry for the cross posting..  I just thought this would be good for everyone to read.






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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Mar 27 11:39:18 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:39:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <ff8943a7-9b92-e747-de8b-ca596e21dd45@tapr.org>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<ff8943a7-9b92-e747-de8b-ca596e21dd45@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <4c6bf4f9-6732-96da-8a3b-c629984764b4@tapr.org>

Hello,

I think I've found it after trying to check who made the BC-611.  Gavin 
made it (My recollection having used one as a teenager). Galvin became 
Motorola, which why I made the part number connection earlier.

Here's picture of several of the coils in BX-49.
http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/BX49Xb.jpg

The BX-49 carried 12 sets of coils and crystals.

John, W9DDD

On 3/27/2020 8:19 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> BC-611 was the walkie talkie of WWII?? If so this starts to make sense. 
> I kept thinking those look like Motorola part numbers.? Turns out 24 is 
> the prefix of inductor part numbers in the Motorola numbering scheme.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 3/27/2020 7:45 AM, W2HX wrote:
>> Could these be the coils for a BC-611?
>>
>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *hwhall at compuserve.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:24 PM
>> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; 
>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
>>
>> Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 pins 
>> on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms 
>> embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.
>>
>> One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591.
>>
>> One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
>>
>> I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass 
>> pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but 
>> didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> WB4OGM
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Fri Mar 27 11:57:04 2020
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:57:04 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <4c6bf4f9-6732-96da-8a3b-c629984764b4@tapr.org>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>	<5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>	<ff8943a7-9b92-e747-de8b-ca596e21dd45@tapr.org>
	<4c6bf4f9-6732-96da-8a3b-c629984764b4@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <051501d60450$5dec7280$19c55780$@cox.net>

Motorola was a tradename of the Galvin Manufacturing Corp., a portmandeau of
Motor + Radiola, conveying sound in motion, since their major product
through the thirties was automobile radio.  The BC-611 was indeed a Motorola
Product, as was the BC-1000/SCR300 FM "Walkie Talkie" (the BC-611 was the
Handie-Talkie)
I worked for Motorola for nearly 25 years, to the bitter end in Arizona, and
I still maintain it was the best experience of my life.  In the Corporate
Labs in Tempe, AZ, we has little inset displays of various historical
products, and my BC-611 and SCR-300 graced one of the display cases for
years.  Sadly, Motorola is really no more, just a brand owned by Lenovo, and
Motorola solutions, which has an ever shrinking two way market.

Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ
5111 E. Sharon Dr.
Scottsdale, AZ 85254-3636
H (602) 953-5779
C (480) 550-2358
scottjohnson1 at cox.net
scott.johnson at ieee.org

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 8:39 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils

Hello,

I think I've found it after trying to check who made the BC-611.  Gavin made
it (My recollection having used one as a teenager). Galvin became Motorola,
which why I made the part number connection earlier.

Here's picture of several of the coils in BX-49.
http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/BX49Xb.jpg

The BX-49 carried 12 sets of coils and crystals.

John, W9DDD

On 3/27/2020 8:19 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> BC-611 was the walkie talkie of WWII?? If so this starts to make sense. 
> I kept thinking those look like Motorola part numbers.? Turns out 24 
> is the prefix of inductor part numbers in the Motorola numbering scheme.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 3/27/2020 7:45 AM, W2HX wrote:
>> Could these be the coils for a BC-611?
>>
>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of 
>> *hwhall at compuserve.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:24 PM
>> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; 
>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
>>
>> Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 
>> pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil 
>> forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.
>>
>> One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591.
>>
>> One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
>>
>> I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass 
>> pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but 
>> didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> WB4OGM
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this 
>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to 
>> w9ddd at tapr.org
>>
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> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Mar 27 12:08:25 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:08:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <051501d60450$5dec7280$19c55780$@cox.net>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<ff8943a7-9b92-e747-de8b-ca596e21dd45@tapr.org>
	<4c6bf4f9-6732-96da-8a3b-c629984764b4@tapr.org>
	<051501d60450$5dec7280$19c55780$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <89c1710a-3742-765e-3cc8-d94a42fbc1a3@tapr.org>

Hi Scott, Thanks for providing more accurate information about the 
Motorola history.

So the Gavin name was likely on the BC-611 rather than the Motorola 
trade mark or am I remembering wrong.

(I still have some Motorola stuff in the garage - UHF Micor, Nice 
cabinet that used to have a paging system in it etc.)

John, W9DDD

On 3/27/2020 10:57 AM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Motorola was a tradename of the Galvin Manufacturing Corp., a portmandeau of
> Motor + Radiola, conveying sound in motion, since their major product
> through the thirties was automobile radio.  The BC-611 was indeed a Motorola
> Product, as was the BC-1000/SCR300 FM "Walkie Talkie" (the BC-611 was the
> Handie-Talkie)
> I worked for Motorola for nearly 25 years, to the bitter end in Arizona, and
> I still maintain it was the best experience of my life.  In the Corporate
> Labs in Tempe, AZ, we has little inset displays of various historical
> products, and my BC-611 and SCR-300 graced one of the display cases for
> years.  Sadly, Motorola is really no more, just a brand owned by Lenovo, and
> Motorola solutions, which has an ever shrinking two way market.
> 
> Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ
> 5111 E. Sharon Dr.
> Scottsdale, AZ 85254-3636
> H (602) 953-5779
> C (480) 550-2358
> scottjohnson1 at cox.net
> scott.johnson at ieee.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 8:39 AM
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I think I've found it after trying to check who made the BC-611.  Gavin made
> it (My recollection having used one as a teenager). Galvin became Motorola,
> which why I made the part number connection earlier.
> 
> Here's picture of several of the coils in BX-49.
> http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/BX49Xb.jpg
> 
> The BX-49 carried 12 sets of coils and crystals.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 3/27/2020 8:19 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> BC-611 was the walkie talkie of WWII?? If so this starts to make sense.
>> I kept thinking those look like Motorola part numbers.? Turns out 24
>> is the prefix of inductor part numbers in the Motorola numbering scheme.
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 3/27/2020 7:45 AM, W2HX wrote:
>>> Could these be the coils for a BC-611?
>>>
>>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of
>>> *hwhall at compuserve.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:24 PM
>>> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net;
>>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
>>>
>>> Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3
>>> pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil
>>> forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.
>>>
>>> One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591.
>>>
>>> One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
>>>
>>> I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass
>>> pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but
>>> didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> WB4OGM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this
>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
>>> w9ddd at tapr.org
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email
>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
>> w9ddd at tapr.org
> ______________________________________________________________
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> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> 
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> 

From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Fri Mar 27 12:18:51 2020
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 09:18:51 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
In-Reply-To: <89c1710a-3742-765e-3cc8-d94a42fbc1a3@tapr.org>
References: <1395408457.2919370.1585279443737.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5dc3247245ca4257ab96b83103ab7346@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<ff8943a7-9b92-e747-de8b-ca596e21dd45@tapr.org>
	<4c6bf4f9-6732-96da-8a3b-c629984764b4@tapr.org>
	<051501d60450$5dec7280$19c55780$@cox.net>
	<89c1710a-3742-765e-3cc8-d94a42fbc1a3@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <053901d60453$6947fb10$3bd7f130$@cox.net>

Galvin Mfg. became Motorola in 1947, if memory serves.  By the late
thirties, almost everything was branded "Motorola", but the data plate would
still say Galvin.


Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ
5111 E. Sharon Dr.
Scottsdale, AZ 85254-3636
H (602) 953-5779
C (480) 550-2358
scottjohnson1 at cox.net
scott.johnson at ieee.org

-----Original Message-----
From: John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 9:08 AM
To: Scott Johnson <scottjohnson1 at cox.net>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils

Hi Scott, Thanks for providing more accurate information about the Motorola
history.

So the Gavin name was likely on the BC-611 rather than the Motorola trade
mark or am I remembering wrong.

(I still have some Motorola stuff in the garage - UHF Micor, Nice cabinet
that used to have a paging system in it etc.)

John, W9DDD

On 3/27/2020 10:57 AM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Motorola was a tradename of the Galvin Manufacturing Corp., a 
> portmandeau of Motor + Radiola, conveying sound in motion, since their 
> major product through the thirties was automobile radio.  The BC-611 
> was indeed a Motorola Product, as was the BC-1000/SCR300 FM "Walkie 
> Talkie" (the BC-611 was the
> Handie-Talkie)
> I worked for Motorola for nearly 25 years, to the bitter end in 
> Arizona, and I still maintain it was the best experience of my life.  
> In the Corporate Labs in Tempe, AZ, we has little inset displays of 
> various historical products, and my BC-611 and SCR-300 graced one of 
> the display cases for years.  Sadly, Motorola is really no more, just 
> a brand owned by Lenovo, and Motorola solutions, which has an ever
shrinking two way market.
> 
> Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ
> 5111 E. Sharon Dr.
> Scottsdale, AZ 85254-3636
> H (602) 953-5779
> C (480) 550-2358
> scottjohnson1 at cox.net
> scott.johnson at ieee.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 8:39 AM
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I think I've found it after trying to check who made the BC-611.  
> Gavin made it (My recollection having used one as a teenager). Galvin 
> became Motorola, which why I made the part number connection earlier.
> 
> Here's picture of several of the coils in BX-49.
> http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/BX49Xb.jpg
> 
> The BX-49 carried 12 sets of coils and crystals.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 3/27/2020 8:19 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>> BC-611 was the walkie talkie of WWII?? If so this starts to make sense.
>> I kept thinking those look like Motorola part numbers.? Turns out 24 
>> is the prefix of inductor part numbers in the Motorola numbering scheme.
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 3/27/2020 7:45 AM, W2HX wrote:
>>> Could these be the coils for a BC-611?
>>>
>>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of 
>>> *hwhall at compuserve.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:24 PM
>>> *To:* arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; 
>>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
>>>
>>> Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 
>>> pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil 
>>> forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.
>>>
>>> One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591.
>>>
>>> One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
>>>
>>> I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass 
>>> pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but 
>>> didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> WB4OGM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this 
>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to 
>>> w9ddd at tapr.org
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this 
>> email
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>> w9ddd at tapr.org
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 13:32:34 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:32:34 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGE4UvMgtwJIpJJKF65P6VPCgAAAEAAAAHwZsu8HHVhIi151M2drLCIBAAAAAA==@tlec.se>

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset
made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication
of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 27 13:37:37 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:37:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Corp. LSI key fob
Message-ID: <9a184aaf-9c22-676f-79e8-987e48830d2d@earthlink.net>

Another mystery.

A friend found this key fob of a Teletype Corp LSI chip. Probably came 
from the Philadelphia, PA area.? Anyone know anything about it?

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ

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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Fri Mar 27 13:47:41 2020
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:47:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
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The name Motorola has an interesting history.  I think it's first use 
was by a company that made electric winders for spring driven 
phonographs- a MOTOR to wind your victrOLA.  Later, Galvin manufacturing 
Co.   sold entertainment radios, especially for cars, labeled "Motorola, 
a product of Galvin Manufacturing Co."  I do believe the name was 
changed in 1947.  Here in Syracuse,  home of General Electric's 
Electronics Park,  to call the low frequency tone squelch anything other 
than "Channel Guard" could provoke a ribbing.

        Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY


On 3/27/20 12:18 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Galvin Mfg. became Motorola in 1947, if memory serves.  By the late
> thirties, almost everything was branded "Motorola", but the data plate would
> still say Galvin.
>
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From kwlueck at swbell.net  Fri Mar 27 13:50:14 2020
From: kwlueck at swbell.net (Keith Lueck)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:50:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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 Hi Tomas -
I'm not currently in need of one, but might be interested in purchasing one, if it would help get the price down for others.??
On a design note, I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I wonder if steel would make the part too heavy for the '33 mechanism to move quickly or accurately enough.? The original part is made of aluminum, and is very light - maybe on the order of a few grams (I don't have a sensitive scale here to get an accurate measurement).? I reckon that making out of steel would make it ~3x heavier.? It might be worth putting voids in the re-designed steel part to make it as light as possible - if printing it in aluminum is not possible.??
Good luck with this!
Cheers,
Keith
    On Friday, March 27, 2020, 12:32:51 PM CDT, tomas at tlec.se <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:  
 
 
Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 ?

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 13:58:52 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:58:52 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
In-Reply-To: <1638867440.374854.1585331414459@mail.yahoo.com>
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The guy  I am discussing it with only have steel and bronze at the moment, but it is definitly something to consider.  

Now there is obviously more people ot there that do metal 3D printing, so I guess that Al-alloy shouldnt be any problems in the end.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Keith Lueck <kwlueck at swbell.net> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 18:50
Till: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net; tomas at tlec.se
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Hi Tomas -

 

I'm not currently in need of one, but might be interested in purchasing one, if it would help get the price down for others.  

 

On a design note, I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I wonder if steel would make the part too heavy for the '33 mechanism to move quickly or accurately enough.  The original part is made of aluminum, and is very light - maybe on the order of a few grams (I don't have a sensitive scale here to get an accurate measurement).  I reckon that making out of steel would make it ~3x heavier.  It might be worth putting voids in the re-designed steel part to make it as light as possible - if printing it in aluminum is not possible.  

 

Good luck with this!

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

 

On Friday, March 27, 2020, 12:32:51 PM CDT, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote: 

 

 

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Fri Mar 27 14:23:09 2020
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:23:09 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Teletype Corp. LSI key fob
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From: Duncan Brown [duncanancy at earthlink.net] --  Friday, March 27, 2020 12:37 PM

> A friend found this key fob of a Teletype Corp LSI chip....  Anyone know anything about it?

Search engines are your friend.  From:
-- https://books.google.com/books?id=MxymAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132

It's a video controller chip from the Teletype 4400 and 4500.  Additional googling gives:
-- https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_dataproalpataproC25Teletype_11663364/mode/1up

So it's an ASCII computer terminal family circa 1984.  The key-fob is a nice one.  I have an Intel Inside fob similar to it but with a Pentium chip in it.  Also an HP souvenier in the form of an acrylic cube holding the first 32-bit microprocessor.  Under magnification, you can see that both of these souveniers are cast around quality-control reject chips, although the defects are pretty small and don't detract from the chips they display.

                Doug Jones
                jones at cs.uowa.edu

From jeffg at junknet.net  Fri Mar 27 14:38:58 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:38:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

Jeff

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear folks.
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.
>  
> Mvh
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
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From robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com  Fri Mar 27 14:45:51 2020
From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com (Rob Jarratt)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:45:51 -0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Like Keith I don?t need one, but would buy one or two if it helped reduce the price a bit.

 

Regards

 

Rob

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of tomas at tlec.se
Sent: 27 March 2020 17:59
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

The guy  I am discussing it with only have steel and bronze at the moment, but it is definitly something to consider.  

Now there is obviously more people ot there that do metal 3D printing, so I guess that Al-alloy shouldnt be any problems in the end.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Keith Lueck <kwlueck at swbell.net <mailto:kwlueck at swbell.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 18:50
Till: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> ; tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Hi Tomas -

 

I'm not currently in need of one, but might be interested in purchasing one, if it would help get the price down for others.  

 

On a design note, I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I wonder if steel would make the part too heavy for the '33 mechanism to move quickly or accurately enough.  The original part is made of aluminum, and is very light - maybe on the order of a few grams (I don't have a sensitive scale here to get an accurate measurement).  I reckon that making out of steel would make it ~3x heavier.  It might be worth putting voids in the re-designed steel part to make it as light as possible - if printing it in aluminum is not possible.  

 

Good luck with this!

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

 

On Friday, March 27, 2020, 12:32:51 PM CDT, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote: 

 

 

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 14:55:27 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:55:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Reproduction ASR 33 type wheels made
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Hello, did this post get moderated?

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 17:01 Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 15:20:24 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 20:20:24 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.

And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
Till: tomas at tlec.se
Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

 

Jeff





On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  wrote:

?

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From scr274 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 15:31:13 2020
From: scr274 at gmail.com (Ken Kinderman)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:31:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
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Look just like Antenna coils from the SCR-536(x) BC-611 walkie talkie from WW2

But maybe not... the BC-611 coils are marked with a C- followed by 3 digits. Maybe these are later coils or for a different low power transmitter, but they sure look like BC-611 to me.

Ken 
W2EWL





>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:24 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> ?
> Does anyone recognize these?  About 2 inches long including the 3 pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top. 
> One says ANTENNA 3525 KC 24K47591.
> One says ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994.
> I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Wayne 
> WB4OGM
> <mystery coils top.jpg>
> <mystery coils bottom.jpg>
> <mystery coils side.jpg>
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 16:12:49 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:12:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
but it didn't go through. Here it is again.

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
an asr 33 type wheel.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
process they think may work.

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of
advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
detailed guide as would be required.

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
have fun!


On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>
> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
> have a test model there.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear folks.
>
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
> is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
> characterset made in this way.
>
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
> indication of price in the near future.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Fri Mar 27 16:16:04 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:16:04 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
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 ?? Who knows how Galvin came up with the name but _ola_ is from 
Latin and is used as a diminuitive. As a nick name it goes back 
to at least viola and Pianola, for a player piano. Possibly 
pianola was the inspiration for Victrola, a music making machine 
made by the Victor company. This is c.1890s. A very common suffix 
for mechanical music machines of various sorts. Motorola was used 
by Galvin for its line of automobile radios, among the first on 
the market if not the first. However the suffix ola predates 
electronics and maybe mechanics too.
 ??? I have lusted after a pair of BC-611s since I was a little 
kid. Maybe some day.

On 3/27/2020 10:47 AM, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys wrote:
>
> The name Motorola has an interesting history.? I think it's 
> first use was by a company that made electric winders for 
> spring driven phonographs- a MOTOR to wind your victrOLA.? 
> Later, Galvin manufacturing Co.?? sold entertainment radios, 
> especially for cars, labeled "Motorola, a product of Galvin 
> Manufacturing Co."? I do believe the name was changed in 1947.? 
> Here in Syracuse,? home of General Electric's Electronics 
> Park,? to call the low frequency tone squelch anything other 
> than "Channel Guard" could provoke a ribbing.?
>
> ?????? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>
> On 3/27/20 12:18 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Galvin Mfg. became Motorola in 1947, if memory serves.  By the late
>> thirties, almost everything was branded "Motorola", but the data plate would
>> still say Galvin.
>>
>>
>> Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ
>> 5111 E. Sharon Dr.
>> Scottsdale, AZ 85254-3636
>> H (602) 953-5779
>> C (480) 550-2358
>> scottjohnson1 at cox.net
>> scott.johnson at ieee.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
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>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 27 16:17:06 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:17:06 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er565Qb8UkSCmXFyWZT1d7VksHAfNrqRoPBY0jiiiWmNgsA@mail.gmail.com>
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Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it

Paul
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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
> 
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.
> 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 
> 
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.
> 
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
> 
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.
> 
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>> 
>> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mvh
>> 
>> Tomas Larsson
>> 
>> Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
>> Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
>> Till: tomas at tlec.se
>> Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> ?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Dear folks.
>> 
>> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>> 
>> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.
>> 
>> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mvh
>> 
>> Tomas Larsson
>> 
>> Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>> 
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From scr274 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 16:26:47 2020
From: scr274 at gmail.com (Ken Kinderman)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:26:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
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I hear it was because they were making car radios in the '30's. So they
picked up on the -ola suffix from other devices.. pianola, Radiola,
Victrola.

Ken
W2EWL


On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 4:16 PM Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>     Who knows how Galvin came up with the name but _ola_ is from
> Latin and is used as a diminuitive. As a nick name it goes back
> to at least viola and Pianola, for a player piano. Possibly
> pianola was the inspiration for Victrola, a music making machine
> made by the Victor company. This is c.1890s. A very common suffix
> for mechanical music machines of various sorts. Motorola was used
> by Galvin for its line of automobile radios, among the first on
> the market if not the first. However the suffix ola predates
> electronics and maybe mechanics too.
>      I have lusted after a pair of BC-611s since I was a little
> kid. Maybe some day.
>
> On 3/27/2020 10:47 AM, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys wrote:
> >
> > The name Motorola has an interesting history.? I think it's
> > first use was by a company that made electric winders for
> > spring driven phonographs- a MOTOR to wind your victrOLA.?
> > Later, Galvin manufacturing Co.?? sold entertainment radios,
> > especially for cars, labeled "Motorola, a product of Galvin
> > Manufacturing Co."? I do believe the name was changed in 1947.?
> > Here in Syracuse,? home of General Electric's Electronics
> > Park,? to call the low frequency tone squelch anything other
> > than "Channel Guard" could provoke a ribbing.?
> >
> > ?????? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
> >
> >
> > On 3/27/20 12:18 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> >> Galvin Mfg. became Motorola in 1947, if memory serves.  By the late
> >> thirties, almost everything was branded "Motorola", but the data plate
> would
> >> still say Galvin.
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ
> >> 5111 E. Sharon Dr.
> >> Scottsdale, AZ 85254-3636
> >> H (602) 953-5779
> >> C (480) 550-2358
> >> scottjohnson1 at cox.net
> >> scott.johnson at ieee.org
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> GreenKeys mailing list
> >> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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> >>
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> >> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> >>
> >> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net
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> >>
> >
> >
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> > 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 16:31:02 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 21:31:02 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Yes it did, and thats why I reacted

Quote

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required

End quote

My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:17
Till: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
Kopia: tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it

Paul
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On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.

 

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.

 

 <https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 

 

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.

 

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.

 

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.

And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net <mailto:jeffg at junknet.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

 

Jeff

 

On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  wrote:

?

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 16:44:48 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:44:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results
according to my friend.

https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/

Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.

There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should
be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor
with a high enough resolution in steel myself.

-Eric


On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> Yes it did, and thats why I reacted
>
> Quote
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required
>
> End quote
>
> My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost
> price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to
> order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:17
> *Till:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Kopia:* tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
> ITTY:
> HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100:            HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> <http://internet-tty.net:8030/AUTOSTART>
> EUROPE:           HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>
>
>
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
>
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
>
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
>
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>
> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
> have a test model there.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear folks.
>
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
> is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
> characterset made in this way.
>
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
> indication of price in the near future.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 27 16:49:16 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:49:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Teletype Corp. LSI key fob
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Doug,

Thanks for the info. I did try internet searches, but all I came up with 
was a company called VICON Industries that was involved with video in 
the 1970s, but no obvious connection to Teletype Corp. or Bell System.

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ



On 27-Mar-20 14:23, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> From: Duncan Brown [duncanancy at earthlink.net] --  Friday, March 27, 2020 12:37 PM
>
>> A friend found this key fob of a Teletype Corp LSI chip....  Anyone know anything about it?
> Search engines are your friend.  From:
> -- https://books.google.com/books?id=MxymAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132
>
> It's a video controller chip from the Teletype 4400 and 4500.  Additional googling gives:
> -- https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_dataproalpataproC25Teletype_11663364/mode/1up
>
> So it's an ASCII computer terminal family circa 1984.  The key-fob is a nice one.  I have an Intel Inside fob similar to it but with a Pentium chip in it.  Also an HP souvenier in the form of an acrylic cube holding the first 32-bit microprocessor.  Under magnification, you can see that both of these souveniers are cast around quality-control reject chips, although the defects are pretty small and don't detract from the chips they display.
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Mar 27 16:52:24 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:52:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Interesting, this the third time I've seen it.

John, W9DDD


> On Mar 27, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
> 
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.
> 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 
> 
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.
> 
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
> 
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.
> 
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>> 
>> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mvh
>> 
>> Tomas Larsson
>> 
>> Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
>> Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
>> Till: tomas at tlec.se
>> Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> ?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Dear folks.
>> 
>> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>> 
>> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.
>> 
>> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mvh
>> 
>> Tomas Larsson
>> 
>> Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 16:54:14 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:54:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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I appologize, I expected an echo back.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:52 w9ddd at tapr.org <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> Interesting, this the third time I've seen it.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
>> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
>> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>>
>> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
>> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
>> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
>> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>
>>
>>
>> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
>> have a test model there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Dear folks.
>>
>> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i
>> steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>>
>> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
>> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
>> characterset made in this way.
>>
>> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
>> indication of price in the near future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 16:59:59 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 21:59:59 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism, so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at least the same weight as the original head.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:45
Till: tomas at tlec.se
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results according to my friend.

 

https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/

 

Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.

 

There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor with a high enough resolution in steel myself.

 

-Eric

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Yes it did, and thats why I reacted

Quote

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required

End quote

My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net <mailto:paul0926 at comcast.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:17
Till: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> >
Kopia: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> ; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it

Paul
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AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE:           HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

 

On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.

 

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.

 

 <https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 

 

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.

 

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.

 

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.

And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net <mailto:jeffg at junknet.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

 

Jeff

 

On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  wrote:

?

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Mar 27 17:02:27 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:02:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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I hope I didn't sound snarky before.

I since remembered that 
There's a setting in mailman which can be set so it doesn't send you a copy of your own 
message.  Perhaps that's what's happening?  As far as I know that defaults to off when 
You join greenkeys.  That may or may not be the problem.

John, W9DDD


> On Mar 27, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
> 
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.
> 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 
> 
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.
> 
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
> 
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.
> 
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>> 
>> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mvh
>> 
>> Tomas Larsson
>> 
>> Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
>> Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
>> Till: tomas at tlec.se
>> Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> ?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Dear folks.
>> 
>> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>> 
>> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.
>> 
>> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mvh
>> 
>> Tomas Larsson
>> 
>> Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Fri Mar 27 17:04:09 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:04:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
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 ??? That may be where Galvin got ola but where did Victor get 
it? It was not original with Victor either. Galvin may have been 
inspired by Victrola because it was popular and well established 
at the time. Maybe.

On 3/27/2020 1:45 PM, ttytom wrote:
> Ola comes from Victrola. Motorola means sound in motion.
>
>

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From groupsrichart at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 17:19:50 2020
From: groupsrichart at gmail.com (groupsrichart at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:19:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils
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This site has some speculation on the origin of the Victrola name.
https://www.intertique.com/WhoPutTheOla.htm
Tim WS4V

On 3/27/2020 5:04 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> That may be where Galvin got ola but where did Victor get it? It was 
> not original with Victor either. Galvin may have been inspired by 
> Victrola because it was popular and well established at the time. Maybe.
>
> On 3/27/2020 1:45 PM, ttytom wrote:
>> Ola comes from Victrola. Motorola means sound in motion.
>>
>>
>


From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 17:19:38 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:19:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive
then having them machined.

I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is
using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the
details.

-Eric



On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in
> steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism,
> so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at
> least the same weight as the original head.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:45
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results
> according to my friend.
>
>
>
> https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/
>
>
>
> Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.
>
>
>
> There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should
> be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor
> with a high enough resolution in steel myself.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Yes it did, and thats why I reacted
>
> Quote
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required
>
> End quote
>
> My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost
> price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to
> order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:17
> *Till:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Kopia:* tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
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>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>
>
>
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
>
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
>
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
>
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>
> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
> have a test model there.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear folks.
>
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
> is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
> characterset made in this way.
>
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
> indication of price in the near future.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 17:29:16 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:29:16 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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I will certainly come back with more information.

Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of less than 0,1 mm or so.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 22:20
Till: tomas at tlec.se
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive then having them machined. 

 

I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the details.

 

-Eric

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism, so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at least the same weight as the original head.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:45
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results according to my friend.

 

https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/

 

Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.

 

There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor with a high enough resolution in steel myself.

 

-Eric

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Yes it did, and thats why I reacted

Quote

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required

End quote

My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net <mailto:paul0926 at comcast.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:17
Till: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> >
Kopia: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> ; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it

Paul
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On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.

 

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.

 

 <https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 

 

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.

 

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.

 

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.

And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net <mailto:jeffg at junknet.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

 

Jeff

 

On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  wrote:

?

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 17:34:33 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:34:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Yes, and perhaps unnecessary as a 4 axis machine would likely do the trick.


On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:29 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> I will certainly come back with more information.
>
> Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one
> wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of
> less than 0,1 mm or so.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:20
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive
> then having them machined.
>
>
>
> I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is
> using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the
> details.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in
> steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism,
> so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at
> least the same weight as the original head.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:45
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results
> according to my friend.
>
>
>
> https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/
>
>
>
> Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.
>
>
>
> There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should
> be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor
> with a high enough resolution in steel myself.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Yes it did, and thats why I reacted
>
> Quote
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required
>
> End quote
>
> My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost
> price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to
> order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:17
> *Till:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Kopia:* tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
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>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>
>
>
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
>
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
>
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
>
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>
> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
> have a test model there.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear folks.
>
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
> is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
> characterset made in this way.
>
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
> indication of price in the near future.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Mar 27 17:36:02 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:36:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Go to
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Scroll down to the bottom and put email address into box by unsubscribe or edit.  
Next screen asks for password .  If you forgot, there's a button for that.

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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't find any way to turn that setting off. Do you get back copies of your original postings?
> I don't but I selected "notify" so I get a message that my message has been posted. At least that way I know it isn't stuck in the interwebs somewhere.......
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:03 PM w9ddd at tapr.org <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> I hope I didn't sound snarky before.
>> 
>> I since remembered that 
>> There's a setting in mailman which can be set so it doesn't send you a copy of your own 
>> message.  Perhaps that's what's happening?  As far as I know that defaults to off when 
>> You join greenkeys.  That may or may not be the problem.
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>>> 
>>> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.
>>> 
>>> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 
>>> 
>>>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.
>>> 
>>> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>>> 
>>> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.
>>> 
>>> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>>>> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>>>> 
>>>> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Mvh
>>>> 
>>>> Tomas Larsson
>>>> 
>>>> Sweden
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
>>>> Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
>>>> Till: tomas at tlec.se
>>>> Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>> ?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> Dear folks.
>>>> 
>>>> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>>>> 
>>>> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Mvh
>>>> 
>>>> Tomas Larsson
>>>> 
>>>> Sweden
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 17:42:18 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:42:18 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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4 or 5 axis does not matter, the problem is the resolution, as I see it, it is probably cheaper to print them, next is casting and third is machining.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 22:35
Till: tomas at tlec.se
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Yes, and perhaps unnecessary as a 4 axis machine would likely do the trick.

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:29 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

I will certainly come back with more information.

Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of less than 0,1 mm or so.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 22:20
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive then having them machined. 

 

I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the details.

 

-Eric

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism, so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at least the same weight as the original head.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:45
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results according to my friend.

 

https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/

 

Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.

 

There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor with a high enough resolution in steel myself.

 

-Eric

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Yes it did, and thats why I reacted

Quote

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required

End quote

My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net <mailto:paul0926 at comcast.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:17
Till: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> >
Kopia: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> ; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it

Paul
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On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.

 

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.

 

 <https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 

 

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.

 

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.

 

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.

And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net <mailto:jeffg at junknet.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

 

Jeff

 

On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  wrote:

?

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:52:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] test-ignore
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Subject: [GreenKeys] test 2
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Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
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Nope -  I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll just
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 18:06:23 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:06:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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I would propose checking with a machinist for a quote. There are cnc
configurations that are used to do rotational engraving that may be perfect
for this. 4 axis vs 5 axis machining are also very different in price up
front and per unit.

As far as casting goes, finding someone to quote an exact casting in jb
weld or a similar material will be exceedingly challenging. Most other
materials can not handle the force of the repeated hammer strikes.

The other option is to use the flat shape on thingiverse and machine it
with a standard 3 axis cnc machine, then create a cylinder by welding the
ends together around a machined cylinder of solid steel. You would likely
need to heat the band and cool the cylinder to get a precise fit, but a
process like that was likely what teletype did based on my observations.

-Eric




On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:43 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> 4 or 5 axis does not matter, the problem is the resolution, as I see it,
> it is probably cheaper to print them, next is casting and third is
> machining.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:35
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Yes, and perhaps unnecessary as a 4 axis machine would likely do the trick.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:29 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> I will certainly come back with more information.
>
> Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one
> wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of
> less than 0,1 mm or so.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:20
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive
> then having them machined.
>
>
>
> I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is
> using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the
> details.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in
> steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism,
> so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at
> least the same weight as the original head.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:45
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results
> according to my friend.
>
>
>
> https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/
>
>
>
> Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.
>
>
>
> There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should
> be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor
> with a high enough resolution in steel myself.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Yes it did, and thats why I reacted
>
> Quote
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required
>
> End quote
>
> My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost
> price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to
> order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:17
> *Till:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Kopia:* tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
> ITTY:
> HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100:            HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
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> <http://internet-tty.net:8030/AUTOSTART>
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> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>
>
>
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
>
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
>
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
>
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>
> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
> have a test model there.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear folks.
>
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
> is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
> characterset made in this way.
>
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
> indication of price in the near future.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Mar 27 18:13:18 2020
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 23:13:18 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Or, as my Proposal, a 3D print of it.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 23:06
Till: tomas at tlec.se
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

I would propose checking with a machinist for a quote. There are cnc configurations that are used to do rotational engraving that may be perfect for this. 4 axis vs 5 axis machining are also very different in price up front and per unit.

 

As far as casting goes, finding someone to quote an exact casting in jb weld or a similar material will be exceedingly challenging. Most other materials can not handle the force of the repeated hammer strikes.

 

The other option is to use the flat shape on thingiverse and machine it with a standard 3 axis cnc machine, then create a cylinder by welding the ends together around a machined cylinder of solid steel. You would likely need to heat the band and cool the cylinder to get a precise fit, but a process like that was likely what teletype did based on my observations.

 

-Eric

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:43 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

4 or 5 axis does not matter, the problem is the resolution, as I see it, it is probably cheaper to print them, next is casting and third is machining.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 22:35
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Yes, and perhaps unnecessary as a 4 axis machine would likely do the trick.

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:29 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

I will certainly come back with more information.

Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of less than 0,1 mm or so.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 22:20
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive then having them machined. 

 

I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the details.

 

-Eric

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism, so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at least the same weight as the original head.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 21:45
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results according to my friend.

 

https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/

 

Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.

 

There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor with a high enough resolution in steel myself.

 

-Eric

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Yes it did, and thats why I reacted

Quote

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required

End quote

My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it

Paul
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On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com <mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago but it didn't go through. Here it is again.

 

Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of an asr 33 type wheel.

 

 <https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598 

 

 He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing process they think may work.

 

A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them. Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.

 

No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long detailed guide as would be required.

 

This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts, have fun!

 

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> > wrote:

Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.

And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.

 

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

Fr?n: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net <mailto:jeffg at junknet.net> > 
Skickat: den 27 mars 2020 19:39
Till: tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se> 
Kopia: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads

 

There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they have a test model there.

 

Jeff

 

On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se <mailto:tomas at tlec.se>  wrote:

?

Dear folks.

I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.

The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it, obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any characterset made in this way.

Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an indication of price in the near future.

 

Mvh

Tomas Larsson

Sweden

 

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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 18:13:34 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:13:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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And when I say a process like that was used by teletype, I mean using a
band around a cylinder, I have no idea how they made the band itself.

I am actually curious what the black epoxy like material used in the type
cylinder is. For the era I assumed bakelite, but I did not think bakelite
could take that kind of beating, even from inside a steel band. I assume it
is just a thin layer above a steel core but without dissasembling a
cylinder I have no idea.

-Eric



On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 17:06 Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would propose checking with a machinist for a quote. There are cnc
> configurations that are used to do rotational engraving that may be perfect
> for this. 4 axis vs 5 axis machining are also very different in price up
> front and per unit.
>
> As far as casting goes, finding someone to quote an exact casting in jb
> weld or a similar material will be exceedingly challenging. Most other
> materials can not handle the force of the repeated hammer strikes.
>
> The other option is to use the flat shape on thingiverse and machine it
> with a standard 3 axis cnc machine, then create a cylinder by welding the
> ends together around a machined cylinder of solid steel. You would likely
> need to heat the band and cool the cylinder to get a precise fit, but a
> process like that was likely what teletype did based on my observations.
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:43 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
>> 4 or 5 axis does not matter, the problem is the resolution, as I see it,
>> it is probably cheaper to print them, next is casting and third is
>> machining.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
>> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:35
>> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
>> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, and perhaps unnecessary as a 4 axis machine would likely do
>> the trick.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:29 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>>
>> I will certainly come back with more information.
>>
>> Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one
>> wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of
>> less than 0,1 mm or so.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
>> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:20
>> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
>> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>
>>
>>
>> Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less
>> expensive then having them machined.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he
>> is using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the
>> details.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>>
>> According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in
>> steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism,
>> so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at
>> least the same weight as the original head.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
>> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:45
>> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
>> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>
>>
>>
>> In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results
>> according to my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/
>>
>>
>>
>> Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it
>> should be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a
>> vendor with a high enough resolution in steel myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>>
>> Yes it did, and thats why I reacted
>>
>> Quote
>>
>> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
>> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
>> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>>
>>
>>
>> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
>> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
>> detailed guide as would be required
>>
>> End quote
>>
>> My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost
>> price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to
>> order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fr?n:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
>> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:17
>> *Till:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
>> *Kopia:* tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>
>>
>>
>> Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it
>>
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>>
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>>
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
>> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
>> an asr 33 type wheel.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>>
>>
>>
>>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a
>> mold from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was
>> tested in an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who
>> wants to attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other
>> manufacturing process they think may work.
>>
>>
>>
>> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
>> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
>> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>>
>>
>>
>> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
>> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
>> detailed guide as would be required.
>>
>>
>>
>> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
>> have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
>> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>>
>> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
>> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
>> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
>> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>>
>>
>>
>> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
>> have a test model there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Dear folks.
>>
>> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i
>> steel, is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>>
>> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
>> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
>> characterset made in this way.
>>
>> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
>> indication of price in the near future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mvh
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>>
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 18:27:03 2020
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:27:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
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Yes, and I look forward to seeing your results and hearing the cost. I was
not able to find a vendor who could produce a strong enough 3d print with
high enough resolution.

-Eric


On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 17:13 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:

> Or, as my Proposal, a 3D print of it.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 23:06
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> I would propose checking with a machinist for a quote. There are cnc
> configurations that are used to do rotational engraving that may be perfect
> for this. 4 axis vs 5 axis machining are also very different in price up
> front and per unit.
>
>
>
> As far as casting goes, finding someone to quote an exact casting in jb
> weld or a similar material will be exceedingly challenging. Most other
> materials can not handle the force of the repeated hammer strikes.
>
>
>
> The other option is to use the flat shape on thingiverse and machine it
> with a standard 3 axis cnc machine, then create a cylinder by welding the
> ends together around a machined cylinder of solid steel. You would likely
> need to heat the band and cool the cylinder to get a precise fit, but a
> process like that was likely what teletype did based on my observations.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:43 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> 4 or 5 axis does not matter, the problem is the resolution, as I see it,
> it is probably cheaper to print them, next is casting and third is
> machining.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:35
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Yes, and perhaps unnecessary as a 4 axis machine would likely do the trick.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:29 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> I will certainly come back with more information.
>
> Machining them with a 5-D router would probably be very expensive, if one
> wants to meet the resolution on the existing heads, most likely radious of
> less than 0,1 mm or so.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 22:20
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Awesome, a high resolution steel 3d printing process may be less expensive
> then having them machined.
>
>
>
> I hope it turns out well, and if you have any details on the process he is
> using and the resolution he can achieve I would be interested in the
> details.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 16:00 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> According to my contact, it should not be a problem printing these in
> steel, however, solid steel might be to heavy for the printing mechanism,
> so I will have to modify the model, in order to make it lighter, to at
> least the same weight as the original head.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:45
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> In steel a machining process would likely produce the best results
> according to my friend.
>
>
>
> https://www.cnccookbook.com/4-axis-cnc-in-2020-the-definitive-guide/
>
>
>
> Though I have no idea what crazy 3d printing tech exists nowadays.
>
>
>
> There are companies that could be engaged for quotes. At minimum it should
> be compared in terms of cost/resolution/strength. I could not find a vendor
> with a high enough resolution in steel myself.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 15:31 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Yes it did, and thats why I reacted
>
> Quote
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required
>
> End quote
>
> My intention is to make them available to everyone at basicaly self cost
> price, I do not intend to make any money on this. However, if I am going to
> order more than that is sold, then I have to make profit.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 21:17
> *Till:* Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Kopia:* tomas at tlec.se; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> Your first post did make it out to the group. I saw it
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
> ITTY:
> HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100:            HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> <http://internet-tty.net:8030/AUTOSTART>
> EUROPE:           HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> <http://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello, I tried to send the message below to the list a couple of days ago
> but it didn't go through. Here it is again.
>
>
>
> Hello, I am writing to let you all know that my friend made a 3d model of
> an asr 33 type wheel.
>
>
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4159598
>
>
>
>  He used this to 3d print a high resolution model, and then created a mold
> from that print, cast a new wheel in jb weld, and that wheel was tested in
> an ASR 33 and it worked. The model is provided for anyone who wants to
> attempt casting a new wheel in jbweld or to use any other manufacturing
> process they think may work.
>
>
>
> A couple of wheels are available for museums or educators who need them.
> Please contact me directly off list. These are direct casts from original
> wheels and do not contain the signature present in the 3d models.
>
>
>
> No further details on the process will be provided, as it required a lot
> of advanced technique and my friend is not interested in writing a long
> detailed guide as would be required.
>
>
>
> This model also allows for people to create new wheels with custom fonts,
> have fun!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 14:21 <tomas at tlec.se> wrote:
>
> Well, I got the idea from that post, however, as i understood it, they
> used the 3D-print to make a cast,  subsequently casting in epoxy.
>
> And I am using the stl-file from Thingiverse.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
> *Fr?n:* Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> *Skickat:* den 27 mars 2020 19:39
> *Till:* tomas at tlec.se
> *Kopia:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *?mne:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 printer heads
>
>
>
> There is someone working on exactly this, if you search Thingiverse they
> have a test model there.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:32 PM, tomas at tlec.se wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear folks.
>
> I am looking into, having a printerhead to my Model 33 3D-printed i steel,
> is there any interest to have some more printed out.
>
> The guy I am talking to says that it should be doable to 3D-print it,
> obviously it means that one can have any type of Head, with any
> characterset made in this way.
>
> Currently I have no Idea what the cost would be, but wil have an
> indication of price in the near future.
>
>
>
> Mvh
>
> Tomas Larsson
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Mar 27 19:54:53 2020
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 23:54:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils - SOLVED
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	<1395408457.2919370.1585279443737@mail.yahoo.com>
	<521993300.2942451.1585290928835@mail.yahoo.com>
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Y'all were right, they do seem to be BC-611 coils.Thanks to everyone who looked and responded. I thought they were going to remain mysteries.
Now the next question...
Anyone want them?Postage only.
73,WayneWB4OGM
------------------
 
 On 3/27/2020 2:35 AM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
  
 
   Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.? One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591. One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994. I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send. 
  Thanks! 
  Wayne? WB4OGM   
   
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Mar 27 19:58:28 2020
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 23:58:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mystery Coils - SOLVED
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OR NOT????Got this from Antique Radio website:Note that the BC-611 Handie Talkie coils are on the same forms and bases and look just like these but will not work in the BC-745. The BC-611 coils are marked C-3XX etc. while the BC-745 coils are marked with a Galvin 24K-xxx part number.WB6NVH

So maybe these are actually not BC-611 but BC-745.
WayneWB4OGM

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To: arc5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>; boatanchors <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; homebrew <homebrew at mailman.qth.net>; milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>; greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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Subject: Mystery Coils - SOLVED

Y'all were right, they do seem to be BC-611 coils.Thanks to everyone who looked and responded. I thought they were going to remain mysteries.
Now the next question...
Anyone want them?Postage only.
73,WayneWB4OGM
------------------
 
 On 3/27/2020 2:35 AM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
  
 
   Does anyone recognize these? ?About 2 inches long including the 3 pins on the bottoms, about .75 inch outside diameter. Built in coil forms embossed 32A28963 on the bottom.Both have labels on the top.? One says ANTENNA?3525 KC 24K47591. One says?ANTENNA 3825 KC 24K35994. I'm attaching pictures but I know some of the groups don't pass pictures through, so if you think you might want to see them but didn't get them via a group, email me & I'll send. 
  Thanks! 
  Wayne? WB4OGM   
   
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From macbax1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 00:33:55 2020
From: macbax1 at gmail.com (Joe Clanin)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 23:33:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Flexowriter FIO
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Attached is the character encoding in question. Apparently carriage return
alone utilizes the 8th bit. Hopefully someone recognizes it.

Best,

Joe

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:31 PM Joe Clanin <macbax1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi GreenKeyers,
>
> Admittedly, this is more of a brown-keyed question, but hopefully someone
> around here can help me out. I recently acquired a Friden Flexowriter in
> (mostly) good working order. The number of different Flexowriter
> configurations is dizzying and I am having trouble locating my particular
> model in the documentation available on bitsavers.org.
>
> The badge on my machine indicates that the model is "FIO". It appears to
> be a 7-level machine (evidently physically capable of punching and reading
> 8 level code, but never utilizing the 8th bit). My guess is that it could
> have originally been for use with DEC-FIO, but I am not sure.
>
> Any information is appreciated!
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Mar 28 01:20:24 2020
From: djones at k6yic.com (djones at k6yic.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:20:24 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
Message-ID: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93@k6yic.com>

Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.   A USN 
produced movie from 1974.  Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type 
stuff.

https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g

Dan Jones
K6YIC

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 09:49:04 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:49:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ESA box for M28 Compact?
Message-ID: <CAB55hNe31g=cb22K3t-UDFgDwH541RLdoSrN5xtvz5rrFMcPNQ@mail.gmail.com>

 ESA is "Electrical Service Assembly" which is an external box added to a
Teletype set to provide things like a Selector Magnet Driver, Line Relay,
etc.
Here is an example ESA used with the skintight (rack mount) 28KSR. Note it
has a tube-type SMD.  http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/esa-173395.jpg

Low-level (+/-6v signalling) Teletype sets also had ESA boxes - see for
example
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc77.htm

I recently found that there is an ESA 334439 for a high-level compact KSR
(AN/UGC-20B) which can transmit either 60ma (130v) or 70uA (1.5v). 323116
(MK-1158/UG) is the mod kit to make a UGC-20 into a UGC-20B - but I have
found no other info on that ESA so far.
50524S is the spec for this mod - Please let me know if you can help with
info, etc.

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 09:57:48 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:57:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Photoelectric keyboard & distributor - M28 Compact
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeKqijQ56sx8wmG1ZRXT4tFCsSvPpZJx8_cKqGaPPyjXw@mail.gmail.com>

 I am also looking for specifications 50546S and 50547S which cover how to
convert an AN/UGC-20 to photoelectric operation like the UGC-77.
The mod kit is Teletype 334438 (Navy MK-1625/U)
The Navy numbers for these specifications are
NAVSHIPS 0967-LP-438-8010
NAVSHIPS 0967-LP-438-8020

You can see the UGC-77 photoelectric mechanism at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc77.htm

cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 28 10:00:16 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:00:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
In-Reply-To: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93@k6yic.com>
References: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <4caa2ad7-e7f8-7d01-feda-62ac886af9a4@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Dan.

We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in 
1970!? Always interesting to see how the other half lived.

Duncan, K2OEQ
USASA 31J30

On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote:
> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.?? A USN 
> produced movie from 1974.? Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type 
> stuff.
>
> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g
>
> Dan Jones
> K6YIC
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sat Mar 28 10:10:14 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:10:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
In-Reply-To: <4caa2ad7-e7f8-7d01-feda-62ac886af9a4@earthlink.net>
References: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93@k6yic.com>
	<4caa2ad7-e7f8-7d01-feda-62ac886af9a4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <893552962.6753778.1585404614655.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>

Duncan & Group 

Same for the Navy. I was told that there was a Navy Regulation governing the maximum length of sideburns. 
It referred to some named part of the ear as the lowest a sideburn could be. I zoomed in on those 'burns' also. 
I was in between June 1957 and March of 1961. I enlisted for four years but was one of thousands who were 
able to take advantage of a service wide 90 day cut in EAOS dates. 

Ralph - W8ROI 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "Duncan Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net> 
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:00:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film 

Thanks, Dan. 

We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in 
1970! Always interesting to see how the other half lived. 

Duncan, K2OEQ 
USASA 31J30 

On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote: 
> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool. A USN 
> produced movie from 1974. Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type 
> stuff. 
> 
> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g 
> 
> Dan Jones 
> K6YIC 
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From ke5lib001 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 07:02:13 2020
From: ke5lib001 at gmail.com (Mark Hall)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:02:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] A request- ST-5A 2206 demodulator unit schematic,
	literature, anything?
Message-ID: <CAJpJLrYHLSVzOYO5vGghPSBm=d=pTtuim-cKq64dt-3U9zXO6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone.

This is a demodulator I've been looking for information on, but not an
obscure or home built one. It is either HAL/Mainline and very well-built,
and from checking it in an open area with a fire extinguisher, no
ceremonial smoke ascends. No burnt offering to the goddess Electra today!

With the "hood up", everything looks clean. When "Auto" is selected a meaty
"KERCHUNK" ensues from the beefy GE relay- I did this with my hand on its
case and it was SOLID. It felt like it barked out "ACHTUNG!" Besides the
two stacked ST-5 cards, there is a smaller board right behind the meter on
the bottom of the case that looks like it was a later add-on. The 2206
chip, 4N28 opto and a Teledyne 712-D TO-5 cased relay make me wonder about
this...

I'd like to get it back up and running. It might not take much. Thank you
in advance for any help!

73!

Mark




Here is a link to my iCloud photo album of the little beast:
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0OiFrYILpWMxvH5q9l0BYE-7Q. It's one
interesting little spud.

The boards? Right here, at the bottom of the page:
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Mar 28 12:45:33 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:45:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] A request- ST-5A 2206 demodulator unit schematic,
 literature, anything?
In-Reply-To: <CAJpJLrYHLSVzOYO5vGghPSBm=d=pTtuim-cKq64dt-3U9zXO6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpJLrYHLSVzOYO5vGghPSBm=d=pTtuim-cKq64dt-3U9zXO6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6560e55-034c-1b74-d451-1c7872a652f7@tapr.org>

I'd guess the board with the 2206 is the AFSK generator.

John, W9DDD

On 3/28/2020 6:02 AM, Mark Hall wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> 
> This is a demodulator I've been looking for information on, but not an 
> obscure or home built one. It is either HAL/Mainline and very 
> well-built, and from checking it in an open area with a fire 
> extinguisher, no ceremonial smoke ascends. No burnt offering to the 
> goddess Electra today!
> 
> With the "hood up", everything looks clean. When "Auto" is selected a 
> meaty "KERCHUNK" ensues from the beefy GE relay- I did this with my hand 
> on its case and it was SOLID. It felt like it barked out "ACHTUNG!" 
> Besides the two stacked ST-5 cards, there is a smaller board right 
> behind the meter on the bottom of the case that looks like it was a 
> later add-on. The 2206 chip, 4N28 opto and a Teledyne 712-D TO-5 cased 
> relay make me wonder about this...
> 
> I'd like to get it back up and running. It might not take much. Thank 
> you in advance for any help!
> 
> 73!
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to my iCloud photo album of the little beast: 
> https://share.icloud.com/photos/0OiFrYILpWMxvH5q9l0BYE-7Q. It's one 
> interesting little spud.
> 
> The boards? Right here, at the bottom of the page:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Mar 28 13:17:53 2020
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:17:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Photoelectric keyboard & distributor - M28 Compact
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeKqijQ56sx8wmG1ZRXT4tFCsSvPpZJx8_cKqGaPPyjXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeKqijQ56sx8wmG1ZRXT4tFCsSvPpZJx8_cKqGaPPyjXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4637dff2d6b0825284a8e9764486dc1.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


>  I am also looking for specifications 50546S and 50547S which cover how to
> convert an AN/UGC-20 to photoelectric operation like the UGC-77.
> The mod kit is Teletype 334438 (Navy MK-1625/U)
> The Navy numbers for these specifications are
> NAVSHIPS 0967-LP-438-8010
> NAVSHIPS 0967-LP-438-8020
>
> You can see the UGC-77 photoelectric mechanism at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc77.htm
>
> cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com


Photoelectric tape reader reminds me of the punched tape reader a friend
had for his Imsai computer. The reader had 9 photodetectors, the 8 bits
plus the feed hole. The feed hole is typically smaller than the data
holes, so it provides a strobe pulse in the middle of the data pulses.
You'd pull the tape through by hand. I always thought that was very
clever.

Harold



-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From w8roi at wowway.com  Sat Mar 28 14:32:50 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:32:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Code chart showing Friden tape code
Message-ID: <196673ED-9BAC-4982-A46E-392ED13475F6@wowway.com>

To G/K

Someone recently talked about their Friden unit and wondered about some particular code.

Here is a comparison chart showing Friden and a flock of other codes, comparing the same
item across the page.  There are some circumstances where nothing exists for some function
in some 'codes'.  I might be of use to other G/K people.

This chart agrees with the earlier poster in that the only time the 8th bit is used is for
the CR function. 

It has been sent out to the 'group' in the past, and probably ignored by most.

Hope this helps someone.

73,

Ralph - W8ROI

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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sat Mar 28 14:41:40 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:41:40 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More on ST-5
Message-ID: <BEC38F1E-8C31-4786-9D71-1AB9FA23DE2B@wowway.com>

Just checked my copy of May 1970.

No schematic for Loop Driver or Power supply, etc.  Probably identical to the

earlier ST-3, which has been published many times in different places, over
the years.

Ralph - W8ROI


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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sat Mar 28 14:55:06 2020
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:55:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Code chart showing Friden tape code
In-Reply-To: <196673ED-9BAC-4982-A46E-392ED13475F6@wowway.com>
References: <196673ED-9BAC-4982-A46E-392ED13475F6@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4BD5D8DC-E7C9-4F98-A1BB-8B38752FB3BD@wowway.com>

Sorry about the typo.  I meant to say,

"It might be of use to other G/K people."  not
 'I might be of use, etc.'

Ralph - W8ROI

-   -   -   -   -   -   -   -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Ralph Irish wrote:

> To G/K
> 
> Someone recently talked about their Friden unit and wondered about some particular code.
> 
> Here is a comparison chart showing Friden and a flock of other codes, comparing the same
> item across the page.  There are some circumstances where nothing exists for some function
> in some 'codes'.  I might be of use to other G/K people.
> 
> This chart agrees with the earlier poster in that the only time the 8th bit is used is for
> the CR function. 
> 
> It has been sent out to the 'group' in the past, and probably ignored by most.
> 
> Hope this helps someone.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ralph - W8ROI
> 
> -   -   -   -
> 
> 
> <Multi code data chart.pdf>
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From rmowery28146 at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 28 16:14:53 2020
From: rmowery28146 at earthlink.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:14:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] A request- ST-5A 2206 demodulator unit schematic,
	literature, anything?
In-Reply-To: <CAJpJLrYHLSVzOYO5vGghPSBm=d=pTtuim-cKq64dt-3U9zXO6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpJLrYHLSVzOYO5vGghPSBm=d=pTtuim-cKq64dt-3U9zXO6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01d6053d$8af3dd70$a0db9850$@net>

What you seem to have is a st-5A .  The original st-5 was very basic.  Just enough to demodulate a rtty signal.  The A version added on a few things like autostart (which pulls in the relay to turn on the motor).

The st-5 came out first, then the st-6 and later some of the features of the st-6 were added.

 

The 2206 is an IC that generates audio tones.  Usually a pot to set the mark and another for the space.  Not sure where you would find the exact circuit for the one you have, but should be easy to find for a genetic 2206 circuit.

 

Look here for a little info on the st-5

 

http://www.rtty.com/development/tu/st-5/

 

The relay should be open when in auto and pull in when a signal similar to rtty is tuned in.  Maybe just the mark tone.   That is because many would leave just a receiver on, especially a VHF FM receiver and when the tone started the replay would pull in and turn on the motor and the printer would start up.  A few seconds after the mark tone stops the motor would then turn off.  

 

We had a local  group of about 15 people that monitored all the time.  All that was on was the receiver and a demodulator.  If anyone sent rtty on the frequency the jprinter would turn on and print out, then cut off at the end of the transmission.

 

73 de Ralph ku4pt

 

 

 

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Hall
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 7:02 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] A request- ST-5A 2206 demodulator unit schematic, literature, anything?

 

Hello everyone.

 

This is a demodulator I've been looking for information on, but not an obscure or home built one. It is either HAL/Mainline and very well-built, and from checking it in an open area with a fire extinguisher, no ceremonial smoke ascends. No burnt offering to the goddess Electra today!

 

With the "hood up", everything looks clean. When "Auto" is selected a meaty "KERCHUNK" ensues from the beefy GE relay- I did this with my hand on its case and it was SOLID. It felt like it barked out "ACHTUNG!" Besides the two stacked ST-5 cards, there is a smaller board right behind the meter on the bottom of the case that looks like it was a later add-on. The 2206 chip, 4N28 opto and a Teledyne 712-D TO-5 cased relay make me wonder about this...

 

I'd like to get it back up and running. It might not take much. Thank you in advance for any help!

 

73!

 

Mark

 

  

 

 

Here is a link to my iCloud photo album of the little beast: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0OiFrYILpWMxvH5q9l0BYE-7Q. It's one interesting little spud.

 

The boards? Right here, at the bottom of the page:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From g.blackburn at j-omega-l.com  Sat Mar 28 15:51:20 2020
From: g.blackburn at j-omega-l.com (g.blackburn at j-omega-l.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 15:51:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
Message-ID: <003401d6053a$41463310$c3d29930$@j-omega-l.com>

I've seen this film before, but it always brings back memories. By the time
this film was made, it looks like they had replaced most of the R-390A's
with R-1051's for HF receiving. Did see some CV-17 TU's, WRR-3 VLF
receivers, and Model 28 variants.....

Gene, N4UJ 
ETN2 USNR 1966-1968, stationed aboard NHNF (USS Waccamaw,AO-109) and NIIZ
(USS Stallion, ATA193). 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Old Navy Training Film (djones at k6yic.com)
   2. ESA box for M28 Compact? (Nick England)
   3. Photoelectric keyboard & distributor - M28 Compact (Nick England)
   4. Re: Old Navy Training Film (Duncan Brown)
   5. Re: Old Navy Training Film (Ralph Irish)
   6. A request- ST-5A 2206 demodulator unit schematic,	literature,
      anything? (Mark Hall)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:20:24 -0700
From: djones at k6yic.com
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
Message-ID: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93 at k6yic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.   A USN 
produced movie from 1974.  Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type stuff.

https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g

Dan Jones
K6YIC


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:49:04 -0400
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] ESA box for M28 Compact?
Message-ID:
	<CAB55hNe31g=cb22K3t-UDFgDwH541RLdoSrN5xtvz5rrFMcPNQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 ESA is "Electrical Service Assembly" which is an external box added to a
Teletype set to provide things like a Selector Magnet Driver, Line Relay,
etc.
Here is an example ESA used with the skintight (rack mount) 28KSR. Note it
has a tube-type SMD.  http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/esa-173395.jpg

Low-level (+/-6v signalling) Teletype sets also had ESA boxes - see for
example http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc77.htm

I recently found that there is an ESA 334439 for a high-level compact KSR
(AN/UGC-20B) which can transmit either 60ma (130v) or 70uA (1.5v). 323116
(MK-1158/UG) is the mod kit to make a UGC-20 into a UGC-20B - but I have
found no other info on that ESA so far.
50524S is the spec for this mod - Please let me know if you can help with
info, etc.

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:57:48 -0400
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Photoelectric keyboard & distributor - M28
	Compact
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 I am also looking for specifications 50546S and 50547S which cover how to
convert an AN/UGC-20 to photoelectric operation like the UGC-77.
The mod kit is Teletype 334438 (Navy MK-1625/U) The Navy numbers for these
specifications are NAVSHIPS 0967-LP-438-8010 NAVSHIPS 0967-LP-438-8020

You can see the UGC-77 photoelectric mechanism at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc77.htm

cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:00:16 -0400
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
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Thanks, Dan.

We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in 1970!?
Always interesting to see how the other half lived.

Duncan, K2OEQ
USASA 31J30

On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote:
> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.?? A USN 
> produced movie from 1974.? Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type 
> stuff.
>
> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g
>
> Dan Jones
> K6YIC
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:10:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph   Irish   <w8roi at wowway.com>
To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Duncan & Group 

Same for the Navy. I was told that there was a Navy Regulation governing the
maximum length of sideburns. 
It referred to some named part of the ear as the lowest a sideburn could be.
I zoomed in on those 'burns' also. 
I was in between June 1957 and March of 1961. I enlisted for four years but
was one of thousands who were able to take advantage of a service wide 90
day cut in EAOS dates. 

Ralph - W8ROI 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "Duncan Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:00:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film 

Thanks, Dan. 

We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in 1970!
Always interesting to see how the other half lived. 

Duncan, K2OEQ
USASA 31J30 

On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote: 
> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool. A USN 
> produced movie from 1974. Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type 
> stuff.
> 
> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g
> 
> Dan Jones
> K6YIC
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:02:13 -0500
From: Mark Hall <ke5lib001 at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] A request- ST-5A 2206 demodulator unit schematic,
	literature, anything?
Message-ID:
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Hello everyone.

This is a demodulator I've been looking for information on, but not an
obscure or home built one. It is either HAL/Mainline and very well-built,
and from checking it in an open area with a fire extinguisher, no ceremonial
smoke ascends. No burnt offering to the goddess Electra today!

With the "hood up", everything looks clean. When "Auto" is selected a meaty
"KERCHUNK" ensues from the beefy GE relay- I did this with my hand on its
case and it was SOLID. It felt like it barked out "ACHTUNG!" Besides the two
stacked ST-5 cards, there is a smaller board right behind the meter on the
bottom of the case that looks like it was a later add-on. The 2206 chip,
4N28 opto and a Teledyne 712-D TO-5 cased relay make me wonder about this...

I'd like to get it back up and running. It might not take much. Thank you in
advance for any help!

73!

Mark




Here is a link to my iCloud photo album of the little beast:
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0OiFrYILpWMxvH5q9l0BYE-7Q. It's one
interesting little spud.

The boards? Right here, at the bottom of the page:
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From gil at baudot.net  Sat Mar 28 21:51:00 2020
From: gil at baudot.net (Gil Smith)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:51:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys]
	=?utf-8?q?final_test_--_not_getting_your_own_posts=3F?=
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 28 21:56:43 2020
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:56:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2003282056240.21788@Frances>

I've had some of my own posts wind up in the known spam folder

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 28 22:05:50 2020
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:05:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <0fb868a9-9c8b-678b-5cee-ef76bc3b9693@earthlink.net>

I rarely see my posts to any email list - they always end up in my spam 
folder even after I tell the mail system that they are OK.? I always 
assumed it had something to do with Earthlink thinking anything coming 
from a mail list is spam.

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 28-Mar-20 21:51, Gil Smith wrote:
> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?? Nick 
> has re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head 
> as to how this could happen.
>
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
>
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
>     From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com
>     <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>
>     Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
>     To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>
>     Nope -? I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll
>     just check my 28ASR running AUTOSTART to make sure I posted
>     successfully.....
>     Cheers,
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Sat Mar 28 22:08:29 2020
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:08:29 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <5f125234-2f2f-31f1-1803-2786fc68b07c@arrl.net>

I believe it may be a gmail issue.  Seems like I have seen members of 
other lists I am on complain about that.

FWIW, YMMV.

Doug, KA2WFT

On 3/28/2020 9:51 PM, Gil Smith wrote:
> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?? Nick has 
> re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head as to 
> how this could happen.
> 
> 
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
> 
> 
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
>     From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>
>     Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
>     To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
> 
>     Nope -? I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll
>     just check my 28ASR running AUTOSTART to make sure I posted
>     successfully.....
>     Cheers,
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>


From groupsrichart at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 22:14:47 2020
From: groupsrichart at gmail.com (groupsrichart at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:14:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <839d1ce1-a148-3e4c-9362-d8145505981f@gmail.com>

The list subscriber has an option to set in user settings for this:

Receive your own posts to the list 	Yes or no.


Tim WS4V

On 3/28/2020 9:51 PM, Gil Smith wrote:
> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?? Nick 
> has re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head 
> as to how this could happen.
>
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
>
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
>     From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com
>     <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>
>     Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
>     To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>
>     Nope -? I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll
>     just check my 28ASR running AUTOSTART to make sure I posted
>     successfully.....
>     Cheers,
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

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From groupsrichart at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 22:27:49 2020
From: groupsrichart at gmail.com (groupsrichart at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:27:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <a2a86e57-06b1-d02c-bc83-6f515c0e4f5f@gmail.com>

The list subscriber has an option to set in user settings for this:

Receive your own posts to the list 	Yes or no.


To change your settings, go to: 
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

Scroll to the very end of the page where it says "To unsubscribe from 
GreenKeys, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options 
enter your subscription email address:"
Enter your e-mail address in the box, then press the button that says 
"Unsubscribe or edit options"

Enter your information and then scroll to the setting for "Receive your 
own posts to the list" and select yes or no.

I don't know if that will resolve the issue or not, but it is a good 
place to start.

Tim WS4V


On 3/28/2020 9:51 PM, Gil Smith wrote:
> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?? Nick 
> has re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head 
> as to how this could happen.
>
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
>
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
>     From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com
>     <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>
>     Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
>     To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>
>     Nope -? I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll
>     just check my 28ASR running AUTOSTART to make sure I posted
>     successfully.....
>     Cheers,
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     ______________________________________________________________
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Sat Mar 28 22:45:30 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
In-Reply-To: <4caa2ad7-e7f8-7d01-feda-62ac886af9a4@earthlink.net>
References: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93@k6yic.com>
	<4caa2ad7-e7f8-7d01-feda-62ac886af9a4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <59181.24.140.165.196.1585449930.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

This was the Zumwalt Navy (Chief Naval Operations) for a short period. 
Even dropped the
traditional Cracker-Jack dress uniforms.  Guys looked pretty UNSAT!  Would
not have passed
inspection in my era.  And they named a new class of Destroyer after him? 
Geez...

w8au


> We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in
> 1970!?? Always interesting to see how the other half lived.
>
> Duncan, K2OEQ
> USASA 31J30
>
> On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote:
>> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.???? A USN
>> produced movie from 1974.?? Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type
>> stuff.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g
>>
>> Dan Jones
>> K6YIC
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to duncanancy at earthlink.net
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Mar 28 23:01:16 2020
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 03:01:16 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
Message-ID: <20200328.230116.31342.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

This was 9 years after I got out of the Army, but I recall people talking of "Z-notes" or something like that. Looks like a very slovenly crew.

Tom

---------- Original Message ----------
From: w8au at sssnet.com
To: "Duncan Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:45:30 -0400 (EDT)

This was the Zumwalt Navy (Chief Naval Operations) for a short period. 
Even dropped the
traditional Cracker-Jack dress uniforms.  Guys looked pretty UNSAT!  Would
not have passed
inspection in my era.  And they named a new class of Destroyer after him? 
Geez...

w8au


> We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in
> 1970!?? Always interesting to see how the other half lived.
>
> Duncan, K2OEQ
> USASA 31J30
>
> On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote:
>> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.???? A USN
>> produced movie from 1974.?? Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type
>> stuff.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g
>>
>> Dan Jones
>> K6YIC
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From dave at horsfall.org  Sat Mar 28 23:06:38 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 14:06:38 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003291352510.34256@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020, Gil Smith wrote:

> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?? Nick has 
> re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head as to 
> how this could happen.

No problem here, but:

1) Subscriber may be set to "don't receive own copy" (default?).
2) Subscriber may have an overly-enthusiastic spam filter.
3) Ditto the ISP.

For 2) and 3), are they getting any posts at all?  If so then that nails 
it to 1).

-- Dave VK2KFU

From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sat Mar 28 23:22:06 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:22:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
In-Reply-To: <20200328.230116.31342.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
References: <20200328.230116.31342.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <3DB5CD8B-BC33-484B-89AE-233DFB31089C@K6YIC.com>

We were told of that time when I was in (1999-2004). It was spoken of like it was a mythical Navy.  Beards, side burns, sloppy hair and uniforms.  We had returned to a traditional uniform by the time I was in.  But now they use some shameful combo of the Marine tan shirt (Charlie shirt I believe) with black pants. Not far from the salt and peppers according to my father. 

I can imagine that recruiting was tough in the early 70s with Vietnam still running strong. Relaxing the standards was an attempt to probably make the job more appealing.  

Dan (K6YIC)
AT2 (NEC-6704) 99-04

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2020, at 20:04, "til128 at juno.com" <til128 at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This was 9 years after I got out of the Army, but I recall people talking of "Z-notes" or something like that. Looks like a very slovenly crew.
> 
> Tom
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: w8au at sssnet.com
> To: "Duncan Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> This was the Zumwalt Navy (Chief Naval Operations) for a short period. 
> Even dropped the
> traditional Cracker-Jack dress uniforms.  Guys looked pretty UNSAT!  Would
> not have passed
> inspection in my era.  And they named a new class of Destroyer after him? 
> Geez...
> 
> w8au
> 
> 
>> We wouldn't have gotten away with sideburns like that in the Army in
>> 1970!?  Always interesting to see how the other half lived.
>> 
>> Duncan, K2OEQ
>> USASA 31J30
>> 
>>> On 28-Mar-20 01:20, djones at k6yic.com wrote:
>>> Many have probably seen this but if not its pretty cool.? ?  A USN
>>> produced movie from 1974.?  Lots of Teletype Equipment mainly 28 type
>>> stuff.
>>> 
>>> https://youtu.be/Hqn5QG_WP3g
>>> 
>>> Dan Jones
>>> K6YIC
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>> 
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From dave at horsfall.org  Sun Mar 29 00:18:22 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 15:18:22 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Navy Training Film
In-Reply-To: <893552962.6753778.1585404614655.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
References: <f006c39fbfbe8a92c35df96dac98fc93@k6yic.com>
	<4caa2ad7-e7f8-7d01-feda-62ac886af9a4@earthlink.net>
	<893552962.6753778.1585404614655.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2020, Ralph   Irish wrote:

> Same for the Navy.? I was told that there was a Navy Regulation 
> governing the maximum length of sideburns.

[...]

Dunno about sidies, but back in the late 70s one of our computer operators 
was in the (Oz) Naval Reserve, and kept trying to recruit me.  Now, I was 
a long-haired bearded hippie then (hey man, and pretty much still am; 
you'll find my twisted visage over on www.horsfall.org/dave.jpg) and I 
knew about the hair regs but asked about the beard.  Apparently at first 
you have to be clean-shaven so your instructor can recognise you, then you 
can ask for permission to grow one.

-- Dave VK2KFU

From dave.g4ugm at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 03:27:06 2020
From: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com (Dave Wade)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:27:06 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <5f125234-2f2f-31f1-1803-2786fc68b07c@arrl.net>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<5f125234-2f2f-31f1-1803-2786fc68b07c@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <192d01d6059b$73317860$59946920$@gmail.com>

Gil,

Its probably GMAIL. Its by design they say to reduce mailbox clutter. They argue that you sent the message, why should you want to see it again? Its there in your sent items.
Groups.io gets around this by re-writing the sender. 

https://support.google.com/mail/forum/AAAAK7un8RUMHEZDkqCHEY

Dave
G4UGM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Doug Alderdice
> Sent: 29 March 2020 03:08
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
> 
> I believe it may be a gmail issue.  Seems like I have seen members of other
> lists I am on complain about that.
> 
> FWIW, YMMV.
> 
> Doug, KA2WFT
> 
> On 3/28/2020 9:51 PM, Gil Smith wrote:
> > Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?  Nick
> > has re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head
> > as to how this could happen.
> >
> >
> > gil smith, AF7EZ
> > greenkeys moderator
> > gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
> >
> >
> >     -------- Original Message --------
> >     Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
> >     From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>
> >     Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
> >     To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> >     <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
> >
> >     Nope -  I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll
> >     just check my 28ASR running AUTOSTART to make sure I posted
> >     successfully.....
> >     Cheers,
> >     Nick England K4NYW
> >     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 08:02:12 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:02:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. But I have been there and done all that.
And my gmail account does get echoes OK from two other lists hosted by
qth.net - greenkeys behavior is just puzzling.
I will get a copy of this message OK because I am replying to a thread I am
reading. It is only when i make the first post that I don?t get an echo. As
soon as someone replies, my original will appear from out of the aether.
I?d suspect Gmail but that doesn?t explain why it doesn?t happen on the
other two lists.
No big deal. Sorry for flogging the deceased equine.
Cheers
Nick

-- 
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www.navy-radio.com
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 29 10:15:19 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:15:19 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>
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 ??? Now you have me puzzled about what is happening. Are you 
saying that when you post directly to the list with an original 
post it does not show up? That would be very strange. Echo post, 
when its turned on, should send these to you. I think I will send 
a test to see what I get.

On 3/29/2020 5:02 AM, Nick England wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, guys. But I have been there and 
> done all that. And my gmail account does get echoes OK from two 
> other lists hosted by qth.net <http://qth.net> - greenkeys 
> behavior is just puzzling.
> I will get a copy of this message OK because I am replying to a 
> thread I am reading. It is only when i make the first post that 
> I don?t get an echo. As soon as someone replies, my original 
> will appear from out of the aether. I?d suspect Gmail but that 
> doesn?t explain why it doesn?t happen on the other two lists.
> No big deal. Sorry for flogging the deceased equine.
> Cheers
> Nick
>
> -- 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Mar 29 10:16:00 2020
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:16:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Echo Test
Message-ID: <d5664bb2-2f2d-fb80-32ee-7ff1ab47f51c@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? A test to see if my posts are echoed to me.

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Mar 29 11:00:28 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:00:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <3ec35f76-7976-7098-1498-f486f8f7a5e1@ix.netcom.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec35f76-7976-7098-1498-f486f8f7a5e1@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <03c0b088-c6ef-0679-f0ee-44ec8361828f@tapr.org>

As mentioned earlier gmail will intercept a copy of the mail you sent. 
Perhaps other "providers" do as well.  Some mailing lists have figured 
out a solution to that, I'm not sure how they do it.  Something that 
fools gmail into thinking it's not a copy of your original coming back.

John, W9DDD

On 3/29/2020 9:15 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>  ??? Now you have me puzzled about what is happening. Are you saying 
> that when you post directly to the list with an original post it does 
> not show up? That would be very strange. Echo post, when its turned on, 
> should send these to you. I think I will send a test to see what I get.
> 
> On 3/29/2020 5:02 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestions, guys. But I have been there and done all 
>> that. And my gmail account does get echoes OK from two other lists 
>> hosted by qth.net <http://qth.net> - greenkeys behavior is just puzzling.
>> I will get a copy of this message OK because I am replying to a thread 
>> I am reading. It is only when i make the first post that I don?t get 
>> an echo. As soon as someone replies, my original will appear from out 
>> of the aether. I?d suspect Gmail but that doesn?t explain why it 
>> doesn?t happen on the other two lists.
>> No big deal. Sorry for flogging the deceased equine.
>> Cheers
>> Nick
>>
>> -- 
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
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>>
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> 

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 11:29:08 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:29:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <03c0b088-c6ef-0679-f0ee-44ec8361828f@tapr.org>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec35f76-7976-7098-1498-f486f8f7a5e1@ix.netcom.com>
	<03c0b088-c6ef-0679-f0ee-44ec8361828f@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfa6CqBaP-jP7kGXC2wkeR6adBx1W8mTnw+fwC+6Tobdg@mail.gmail.com>

I am really sorry I ever sent that test message. I have wasted 50 yards of
paper on my autostart 28ASR printing out your messages on this topic.
Please please stop posting to greenkeys. Send me private email and I?ll
explain it all over again.
Nick
-- 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Mar 29 14:19:00 2020
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:19:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <3ec35f76-7976-7098-1498-f486f8f7a5e1@ix.netcom.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7af81055-e500-0c1f-5a3a-535f8e03cf2b@tapr.org>

A page which talks about the problem.  Happy reading, yes it's a long link.

https://wiki.list.org/DOC/I%20use%20Gmail-Googlemail%2C%20but%20I%20can%27t%20tell%20if%20any%20of%20my%20messages%20have%20been%20posted%20to%20the%20list

If it gets mangled here's the search I used and it's about the 4th 
result (today).

"why can't I see my own postings on a mailman list"

The result starts: Help! I use Gmail/Googlemail, but I can't tell if any 
of my messages have been posted to the list!

John, W9DDD

On 3/29/2020 9:15 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>  ??? Now you have me puzzled about what is happening. Are you saying 
> that when you post directly to the list with an original post it does 
> not show up? That would be very strange. Echo post, when its turned on, 
> should send these to you. I think I will send a test to see what I get.
> 
> On 3/29/2020 5:02 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestions, guys. But I have been there and done all 
>> that. And my gmail account does get echoes OK from two other lists 
>> hosted by qth.net <http://qth.net> - greenkeys behavior is just puzzling.
>> I will get a copy of this message OK because I am replying to a thread 
>> I am reading. It is only when i make the first post that I don?t get 
>> an echo. As soon as someone replies, my original will appear from out 
>> of the aether. I?d suspect Gmail but that doesn?t explain why it 
>> doesn?t happen on the other two lists.
>> No big deal. Sorry for flogging the deceased equine.
>> Cheers
>> Nick
>>
>> -- 
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
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>>
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>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 29 15:02:21 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:02:21 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfa6CqBaP-jP7kGXC2wkeR6adBx1W8mTnw+fwC+6Tobdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec35f76-7976-7098-1498-f486f8f7a5e1@ix.netcom.com>
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Message-ID: <B85C91AE-CD83-4E83-8238-C78C54258756@comcast.net>

Everyone,

If you put OT: or The words Off Topic in the subject, the post won?t go out the autostart channel.


Paul
W2TTY


> On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am really sorry I ever sent that test message. I have wasted 50 yards of paper on my autostart 28ASR printing out your messages on this topic. Please please stop posting to greenkeys. Send me private email and I?ll explain it all over again. 
> Nick
> -- 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com/>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From wa5cab at cs.com  Sun Mar 29 16:06:21 2020
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 15:06:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <03c0b088-c6ef-0679-f0ee-44ec8361828f@tapr.org>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>	<CAB55hNfwygMc-QmHXRDFxfkBjY2bTgLL4rWKqCe4=iqr5-LOMw@mail.gmail.com>	<3ec35f76-7976-7098-1498-f486f8f7a5e1@ix.netcom.com>
	<03c0b088-c6ef-0679-f0ee-44ec8361828f@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <008201d60605$8488a880$8d99f980$@com>

Several years ago I was having a perennial problem with several but
strangely not all of the QTH.net lists that I was subscribed to.  Once or
twice a month, I would get a message from one of the lists saying that I was
about to be unsubscribed from that list for either bouncing messages or
marking them as SPAM, I can't recall which today.  I don?t recall how I
learned the solution but probably I mentioned the problem and someone
replied with it.  Anyway, one afternoon I explicitly logged in to QTH.net,
made a list of all of the lists I was subscribed to, and went to each in
turn turning off the copy of anything I sent and turning on an ACK message
from the server that a post to such and such list had been received.  99 and
44/100ths percent of the time, that's all that you need anyway.  That put a
stop to the unsubscribe threats and if I forget to delete the ACK message,
it is just about as small as any message could be.

Anyway, you might try that.

Robert Downs


On 3/29/2020 9:15 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>  ??? Now you have me puzzled about what is happening. Are you saying 
> that when you post directly to the list with an original post it does 
> not show up? That would be very strange. Echo post, when its turned on, 
> should send these to you. I think I will send a test to see what I get.
> 
> On 3/29/2020 5:02 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestions, guys. But I have been there and done all 
>> that. And my gmail account does get echoes OK from two other lists 
>> hosted by qth.net <http://qth.net> - greenkeys behavior is just puzzling.
>> I will get a copy of this message OK because I am replying to a thread 
>> I am reading. It is only when i make the first post that I don?t get 
>> an echo. As soon as someone replies, my original will appear from out 
>> of the aether. I?d suspect Gmail but that doesn?t explain why it 
>> doesn?t happen on the other two lists.
>> No big deal. Sorry for flogging the deceased equine.
>> Cheers
>> Nick
>>
>> -- 
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>


From dave at horsfall.org  Sun Mar 29 16:48:27 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:48:27 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <192d01d6059b$73317860$59946920$@gmail.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<5f125234-2f2f-31f1-1803-2786fc68b07c@arrl.net>
	<192d01d6059b$73317860$59946920$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2003300744170.34256@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020, Dave Wade wrote:

> Its probably GMAIL. Its by design they say to reduce mailbox clutter. 
> They argue that you sent the message, why should you want to see it 
> again? Its there in your sent items.

Gmail does a lot of things that they don't tell you about; that's why I 
don't use them as my primary address (I run my own mail server).

See www.horsfall.org/gmail.html for my experiences with them.

-- Dave VK2KFU

From jeffg at junknet.net  Sun Mar 29 20:12:30 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:12:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] =?utf-8?b?T1Q6IEFub3RoZXIg4oCcd2hhdOKAmXMgdGhpcyB0?=
 =?utf-8?b?aGluZ+KAnQ==?=
Message-ID: <EAA415F7-E1EA-4675-B776-A4428D48B7A4@junknet.net>

So I recently got this with some telecom stuff and a Western Union loop supply on ebay. I know its a gauge or dial of some sorts; there was a similar one on ebay showing a pointer attached to the coil floating in the center, but what is this dial used for? Figured this group know know.

Fyi, there were some 1920s radio parts included as well, so possibly a radio part.

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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sun Mar 29 20:27:00 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:27:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 TT-307/UG
Message-ID: <36040024-F91D-497C-9DDC-15DF74D55C1E@K6YIC.com>

I found the paint code in the case showed it should be light navy gray.  It also has a DOD contract tag attached just behind the motor.  

The contract number is 600-67-D-0770. 

So I sanded, primed and repainted the cover from the tan that it was back to the color light machine gray.  Here is the final product.  

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Sent from my iPhone

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 29 20:31:25 2020
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:31:25 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 TT-307/UG
In-Reply-To: <36040024-F91D-497C-9DDC-15DF74D55C1E@K6YIC.com>
References: <36040024-F91D-497C-9DDC-15DF74D55C1E@K6YIC.com>
Message-ID: <178B9756-7D82-4CFA-807B-2578AA4BA916@comcast.net>

Beautiful! Nice work.

What kind of paint did you use and where did you get it?

Paul

Paul
W2TTY


> On Mar 29, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
> 
> I found the paint code in the case showed it should be light navy gray.  It also has a DOD contract tag attached just behind the motor.  
> 
> The contract number is 600-67-D-0770. 
> 
> So I sanded, primed and repainted the cover from the tan that it was back to the color light machine gray.  Here is the final product.  
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Dan K6YIC
> 

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From DJones at K6YIC.com  Sun Mar 29 20:59:01 2020
From: DJones at K6YIC.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:59:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 TT-307/UG
In-Reply-To: <178B9756-7D82-4CFA-807B-2578AA4BA916@comcast.net>
References: <178B9756-7D82-4CFA-807B-2578AA4BA916@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0C6A7C76-7020-4DBA-BFEB-D687223D7085@K6YIC.com>

I asked Nick for advice and he said Rustoleum light machine gray.  

I wet sanded the case with 400 then 600 grit.

I used Rustoleum 2x primer in gray then ran some steel wool over it to get any imperfections.

I then  finished it off with Rustoleum High Performance Enamel in light machine gray.  

All purchased from Amazon.  

Daniel 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 17:32, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Beautiful! Nice work.
> 
> What kind of paint did you use and where did you get it?
> 
> Paul
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I found the paint code in the case showed it should be light navy gray.  It also has a DOD contract tag attached just behind the motor.  
>> 
>> The contract number is 600-67-D-0770. 
>> 
>> So I sanded, primed and repainted the cover from the tan that it was back to the color light machine gray.  Here is the final product.  
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> Dan K6YIC
>> 
> 
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From til128 at juno.com  Sun Mar 29 21:26:29 2020
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 01:26:29 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 TT-307/UG
Message-ID: <20200329.212629.13383.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Excellent job! Very nice.

Tom Tillson

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Daniel Jones <DJones at K6YIC.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 TT-307/UG
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:27:00 -0700

I found the paint code in the case showed it should be light navy gray.  It also has a DOD contract tag attached just behind the motor.  

The contract number is 600-67-D-0770. 

So I sanded, primed and repainted the cover from the tan that it was back to the color light machine gray.  Here is the final product.  

From jeffg at junknet.net  Mon Mar 30 01:42:54 2020
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 01:42:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <a2a86e57-06b1-d02c-bc83-6f515c0e4f5f@gmail.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<a2a86e57-06b1-d02c-bc83-6f515c0e4f5f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK6WsexuQbRGQ6_mf600mDMcZQJzHQwkk624s1eEMZf2FW4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, in Gmail, there is a folder/option called "all mail". I see my own
posts in there, as opposed to Inbox.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:28 PM <groupsrichart at gmail.com> wrote:

> The list subscriber has an option to set in user settings for this:
>
> Receive your own posts to the list Yes or no.
>
> To change your settings, go to:
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
> Scroll to the very end of the page where it says "To unsubscribe from
> GreenKeys, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options
> enter your subscription email address:"
> Enter your e-mail address in the box, then press the button that says
> "Unsubscribe or edit options"
>
> Enter your information and then scroll to the setting for "Receive your
> own posts to the list" and select yes or no.
>
> I don't know if that will resolve the issue or not, but it is a good place
> to start.
>
> Tim WS4V
>
>
> On 3/28/2020 9:51 PM, Gil Smith wrote:
>
> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?  Nick has
> re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head as to how
> this could happen.
>
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
> From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>
> Nope -  I still can't get a copy of my own messages. Oh well, I'll just
> check my 28ASR running AUTOSTART to make sure I posted successfully.....
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
> ------------------------------
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> 1998-to-2001 <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/1998-to-2001>
> greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 02:35:30 2020
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 02:35:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 TT-307/UG
In-Reply-To: <36040024-F91D-497C-9DDC-15DF74D55C1E@K6YIC.com>
References: <36040024-F91D-497C-9DDC-15DF74D55C1E@K6YIC.com>
Message-ID: <5E819332.26245.A5CFB55@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 29 Mar 2020 at 17:27, Daniel Jones wrote:

> Here is the final product.  

Looks gorgious !!



From k1lky68 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 10:53:34 2020
From: k1lky68 at gmail.com (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:53:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <2253A251-7150-4DA4-BA5A-A01F01596F90@gmail.com>

Yes I have,

It turned out after much investigation that GOOGLE (gmail) was discarding mails from a mail list That were the reflected copy of an email the user had sent to the list.  

It was determined that there is no setting at your gmail account to prevent this.  This all happened quite some time ago,  I see that Nick is using gmail.

Roy


> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else had this issue -- not getting your own posts?  Nick has re-subscribed to see if it fixes it, but I am scratching my head as to how this could happen.
> 
> 
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [GreenKeys] final test
> From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, March 27, 2020 2:55 pm
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> 
> Nope -  I still can't get a copy of my own messages. 

Roy Morgan
K1LKY since 1958
k1lky68 at gmail.com





From dave at horsfall.org  Tue Mar 31 16:47:57 2020
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 07:47:57 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] final test -- not getting your own posts?
In-Reply-To: <2253A251-7150-4DA4-BA5A-A01F01596F90@gmail.com>
References: <20200328185100.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.d79cea69fc.wbe@email27.godaddy.com>
	<2253A251-7150-4DA4-BA5A-A01F01596F90@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2004010743430.930@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Tue, 31 Mar 2020, Roy Morgan wrote:

> It turned out after much investigation that GOOGLE (gmail) was 
> discarding mails from a mail list That were the reflected copy of an 
> email the user had sent to the list.

Gmail has no idea how to run a mail server (see 
www.horsfall.org/gmail.html for my observations); it seems that like M$ 
they're trying to impose their broken standards on the rest of the world.

-- Dave VK2KFU

