From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul  1 19:05:29 2021
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:05:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fake TTY/crypto equipment
In-Reply-To: <CAKUYOb1enrDVhv2pgKo_N19RPtYLptN0aPGmgP_XZ6yZaFB3_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNf+wQNx534vfayUqHKa5TiJpJHxkWbUsLkh_Lcg_MAA4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKUYOb1enrDVhv2pgKo_N19RPtYLptN0aPGmgP_XZ6yZaFB3_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f2107b25-2d7c-37ff-ff56-add5f6ec76ca@austin.rr.com>

Always lurking, but will comment here also.

 ??? After manufacturing a battery case bottom from .0625 alum to match 
the? battery terminal adapter MX-4430 to allow me to install a 12vdc to 
28vdc converter ( Victron Orion 12/24-20)? inside of it and use just a 
single 12 v battery to feed the adapter box to run my PRC-47, this has 
me thinking and drawing in autocad to see how feasible it might be to 
fab the covers for this project.? I will do some digging around for some 
good dimensions, but if anyone has access to a KW-7 to get me some 
dimensions? and good pics, I am willing to see what I can do. ? Dont 
think it would be too bad or take too long, already have some custom 
dies for the press brake to do the 1" radius bends on the battery box 
and it looks like it should work for the KW-7. Also have powder coat 
capabilities , so just need to have a RAL # for the powder match.

( just picked up a KSR28 that was stored in a barn, so definitely some 
clean up involved , at least it cam with the manuals, and they were not 
eaten by anything)

 ??? Dont have enough projects, always looking for more.....


73

John

kg5ylg

On 6/30/2021 5:56 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
> Exiting lurker mode just for this conversation...
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 15:25, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to create a fake KW-7 crypto unit - these units encrypted/decrypted teletype signals. I need a fake one because they don't ever show up on eBay.
> You have ALL of my attention with this idea.
>
>
>> I'm only concerned about the external appearance, not the internals.
> You know, with how cheap electronics components are, you could make it
> semi-functional; either by shoving in an R? and using modern stream
> ciphers (ChaCha20); a CPLD with one of the eSTREAM portfolio simple
> ciphers (ChaCha20, again), a hardware version of an eSTREAM cipher
> (TRIVIUM or GRAIN), or toss a bunch of 7400 logic into building your
> own LFSR cipher of a 60s persuasion.
>
> Or you could just have it setup to only emit text on the plaintext
> side (e.g. an RSS feed, or Tweets sent to it, or something like that).
>
>
>> Have you seen the props in a furniture store that look like a TV or stereo but are just painted vacuuformed plastic? That's what might work and then I'd add some real switches and indicator lamps. I'd have to make a wooden/foam mock-up to use as a mold.
> Those are pretty flimsy, at least the last encounter I had with one.
> Though, a stronger/more robust vacuformed plastic could work.
>
>
>> Is this too crazy? Most importantly is there a better way to do this?
>> Just 3D print a plugboard/card-reader cover and mount it on sheet metal?
> Go whole hog and make an actual punch & die setup? You'd likely not be
> making a huge quantity run, and using some very thin aluminium sheet
> would be "easily" formed. So you could probably get away with making
> the punch and die out of wood. The YouTuber behind the channel "Stuff
> Made Here" made a punch and die out of wood, for forming steel toe
> caps for crocs (I wish I were joking), so it likely wouldn't be
> excessively difficult to carve out a blank for the KW-7 front panel.
>
> Of course, this also is predicated on "do you have a press large
> enough" and "do you want to deal with the hassle".
>
>
>> If it is possible, I'd like to make more to donate to museum ships, etc. that just have empty rack spaces where crypto equipment used to be.
> My (possibly stupid) suggestion of a punch & die set and think
> aluminium sheet metal would likely be best for this if you're going to
> try and make more than two or three.
>
>
>> All suggestions and ideas are welcome including "just lie down until the feeling goes away".....
> Suggestion: Make it vaguely functional. For shits and giggles.
>
>
> Regards,
> Christian

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From shumaker at att.net  Thu Jul  1 19:21:29 2021
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:21:29 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fake TTY/crypto equipment
In-Reply-To: <f2107b25-2d7c-37ff-ff56-add5f6ec76ca@austin.rr.com>
References: <CAB55hNf+wQNx534vfayUqHKa5TiJpJHxkWbUsLkh_Lcg_MAA4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKUYOb1enrDVhv2pgKo_N19RPtYLptN0aPGmgP_XZ6yZaFB3_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<f2107b25-2d7c-37ff-ff56-add5f6ec76ca@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <c5c191ca-a37a-ca2f-423a-67a874d66406@att.net>

Only on Greenkeys....


On 7/1/2021 4:05 PM, John Hargett wrote:
> it came with the manuals, and they were not eaten by anything...


lol

back to lurking

Steve



From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 09:31:34 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:31:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fake TTY/crypto equipment
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNf+wQNx534vfayUqHKa5TiJpJHxkWbUsLkh_Lcg_MAA4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNf+wQNx534vfayUqHKa5TiJpJHxkWbUsLkh_Lcg_MAA4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcjOautt88rWjr0ZBVKf3F=QDVzSo=BoJaOH23VruTFHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the replies. I have heard from a few people who participated in
scrapping KW-7 units long ago. The circuit cards were returned to NSA and
the cabinets went to the dump - man I wish I had one of those cabinets
today! I've also been checking Craigslist in Pyongyang, Tehran, and Hanoi
but no luck......

I've started a page with photos and a few drawings that may be helpful to a
re-creation project.
https://www.navy-radio.com/crypto/kw7-info.htm

Greenkeyer John Hargett has started doing some reverse engineering from
photos to Autocad.

I'll see if I can talk someone into making some more measurements. A laser
scan would be fantastic, but I'm not sure about how to get that to happen
at the museums that have one of these.

The manual shows an early style KW-7 without a bulge in the patch cord
cover. This early style KW-7 is 11-9/32 inches high, 15-21/64 inches wide,
14-13/16 inches deep and weighs 74.0 pounds
Yours in teletypery,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 3:24 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to create a fake KW-7 crypto unit - these units
> encrypted/decrypted teletype signals. I need a fake one because they don't
> ever show up on eBay.
> Ha!
> http://jproc.ca/crypto/kw7.html
> https://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/usa/kw7/index.htm
>
> I'm only concerned about the external appearance, not the internals.
> Unfortunately it isn't just a straight-sided box. As you can see, the card
> reader (or plugboard) cover is bulbous. There are three "feet" along the
> front edge.The top is also an oddly shaped piece. The rear is also an oddly
> shaped casting but I probably wouldn't worry about it.
> https://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/usa/kw7/img/301798/127/full.jpg
>
> A simple rack mount was just a standard sliding rack shelf like in this
> KWX-11 rack:
> https://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/stockton/stockton-1307-03.JPG
>
> There was also a more complex slide-out-and-tilt mount KWF-1
> https://www.navy-radio.com/ships/images/cv66-rcvr-1982.jpg
>
> Have you seen the props in a furniture store that look like a TV or stereo
> but are just painted vacuuformed plastic? That's what might work and then
> I'd add some real switches and indicator lamps. I'd have to make a
> wooden/foam mock-up to use as a mold.
>
> Is this too crazy? Most importantly is there a better way to do this?
> Just 3D print a plugboard/card-reader cover and mount it on sheet metal?
>
> If it is possible, I'd like to make more to donate to museum ships, etc.
> that just have empty rack spaces where crypto equipment used to be.
>
> All suggestions and ideas are welcome including "just lie down until the
> feeling goes away".....
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Jul  2 11:35:01 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:35:01 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
Message-ID: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg

see on the desk. Photo can be expanded

73 Eugene W2HX


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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Fri Jul  2 11:43:43 2021
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:43:43 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
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From: W2HX [w2hx at w2hx.com] -- Friday, July 2, 2021 10:35 AM

> Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg

Some kind of MITE?

        Doug Jones
        jones at cs.uiowa.edu

(Worked for Collins Radio for a summer way back in the 1980s -- fun people!  I shared an office with a guy who was designing replacement avionics for the MiG 23 jet fighter -- and the cold war was still on.  Turns out that Russia hand sold/donated a batch of them to India, and India wanted to update their avionics to modern standards.)
 
	
	

From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Fri Jul  2 12:04:23 2021
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 12:04:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <58750985-4588-6d73-c8cf-aad67f0e0bcb@verizon.net>
References: <58750985-4588-6d73-c8cf-aad67f0e0bcb@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <34d7fa14-150c-8072-f2f5-97899a4825c8@verizon.net>

I would love to have that ensemble. The teleprinter looks very much like 
the scarce Mite ASR. The rest of the gear is the Collins URG (original) 
series. URG means Universal Radio Group, where components are selected 
and built into whatever system is needed. The modules are mostly solid 
state and were developed in the mid 1960s. Getting and keeping them 
working can be a project, I did it for a living 1969-73 in southeast 
Asia.? I have a TSC-136 radio hut that fits in the the back of a pickup 
truck and uses the URG components. The TTY gear in it is all 
Klienschmidt. An earlier version, the TSC-15 uses the Collins ARC-58 and 
one of the Mite ASRs, along with an optional Mite KSR. Does anyone have 
a Mite ASR they would part with?

 ??? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY









On 7/2/21 11:35, W2HX wrote:
>
> Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg>
>
> see on the desk. Photo can be expanded
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
>
>
>
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Jul  2 12:20:19 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 11:20:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
Message-ID: <a7a43c03-6a22-49fc-fb4c-42ab9468c6c6@tapr.org>

As I'm installing the first new roll of paper,  (the aged gray pinkish 
stuff left in the printers has so far been enough for testing) I'm 
thinking there used to be a metal disk you had to remove to put it on a 
15 or 28 spindle.  Am I remembering wrong? This might have been a AP/UPI 
thing since working at the TV station tended to keep me in paper supply.

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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Fri Jul  2 12:26:52 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <34d7fa14-150c-8072-f2f5-97899a4825c8@verizon.net>
References: <58750985-4588-6d73-c8cf-aad67f0e0bcb@verizon.net>
	<34d7fa14-150c-8072-f2f5-97899a4825c8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <381FFB7B-CA44-48CE-B40F-FBFCC4EE120A@xsmail.com>


Everyone?s probably right on the money? I don?t have a clue.  A nearby ham used to work for SAC back in the day? did all kinds of untold, high level stuff with electronics - including Teletypes.  He told me of a Teletype specially made for the old Doomsday plane (previous to the current one -- I believe the current is newer?) that was about the same dimensions of a pizza box (actually not as long and wide, but as thin).  I can?t remember if he has it or not? I think he might have grabbed it up when they were doing away with the gear, as it was being destroyed... I?ll have to ask again the next time I?m out that way and if he does, see if I can have a glance.


> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:04 am, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I would love to have that ensemble. The teleprinter looks very much like the scarce Mite ASR. The rest of the gear is the Collins URG (original) series. URG means Universal Radio Group, where components are selected and built into whatever system is needed. The modules are mostly solid state and were developed in the mid 1960s. Getting and keeping them working can be a project, I did it for a living  1969-73 in southeast Asia.  I have a TSC-136 radio hut that fits in the the back of a pickup truck and uses the URG components. The TTY gear in it is all Klienschmidt. An earlier version, the TSC-15 uses the Collins ARC-58 and one of the Mite ASRs, along with an optional Mite KSR. Does anyone have a Mite ASR they would part with?   
> 
>     Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

From djones at k6yic.com  Fri Jul  2 13:15:39 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones K6YIC)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 10:15:39 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB500361066B0F403BB989A086A81F9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR04MB500361066B0F403BB989A086A81F9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <03AB7FD5-DCB1-4B58-B3A1-0D6F88D1214F@k6yic.com>

Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s all I had. 

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> On Jul 2, 2021, at 08:44, Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?From: W2HX [w2hx at w2hx.com] -- Friday, July 2, 2021 10:35 AM
> 
>> Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg
> 
> Some kind of MITE?
> 
>        Doug Jones
>        jones at cs.uiowa.edu
> 
> (Worked for Collins Radio for a summer way back in the 1980s -- fun people!  I shared an office with a guy who was designing replacement avionics for the MiG 23 jet fighter -- and the cold war was still on.  Turns out that Russia hand sold/donated a batch of them to India, and India wanted to update their avionics to modern standards.)
> 
>    
>    
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Fri Jul  2 13:54:43 2021
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 13:54:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <03AB7FD5-DCB1-4B58-B3A1-0D6F88D1214F@k6yic.com>
References: <DM6PR04MB500361066B0F403BB989A086A81F9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<03AB7FD5-DCB1-4B58-B3A1-0D6F88D1214F@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <3c630b61-f867-03ea-471a-a84a36bd7fbd@verizon.net>

Thanks for posting the photos. It is the rig I was referring to. Now I 
know at least one model number to look for yo find one of them.

 ??? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY




On 7/2/21 13:15, Daniel Jones K6YIC wrote:
> Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s all I had.
>
>
>
> Daniel
> K6YIC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 08:44, Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> wrote:
>>
>> ?From: W2HX [w2hx at w2hx.com] -- Friday, July 2, 2021 10:35 AM
>>
>>> Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg
>> Some kind of MITE?
>>
>>         Doug Jones
>>         jones at cs.uiowa.edu
>>
>> (Worked for Collins Radio for a summer way back in the 1980s -- fun people!  I shared an office with a guy who was designing replacement avionics for the MiG 23 jet fighter -- and the cold war was still on.  Turns out that Russia hand sold/donated a batch of them to India, and India wanted to update their avionics to modern standards.)
>>
>>     
>>     
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 17:16:01 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:16:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
In-Reply-To: <a7a43c03-6a22-49fc-fb4c-42ab9468c6c6@tapr.org>
References: <a7a43c03-6a22-49fc-fb4c-42ab9468c6c6@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <029501d76f87$75fb4ab0$61f1e010$@gmail.com>

I remember those disks!  They were recessed into the cardboard spools and
had a small hole in the center of the recess.

Steve G./N4TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 12:20 PM
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?

As I'm installing the first new roll of paper,  (the aged gray pinkish stuff
left in the printers has so far been enough for testing) I'm thinking there
used to be a metal disk you had to remove to put it on a
15 or 28 spindle.  Am I remembering wrong? This might have been a AP/UPI
thing since working at the TV station tended to keep me in paper supply.

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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 17:27:46 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:27:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <02c001d76f89$1a07f210$4e17d630$@gmail.com>

I once had to go on a Navy C130 on the flight line at Kadena AB to work on
one of those Mite machines.  There were only two of us TTY mechanics in our
shop that had the TS-R clearance required to go onto the plane, and the
other guy was an E5, while I was a lonely E4.  At least it was a simple
repair.  When I was in Tech School they had not yet started training AF guys
on the Mite equipment.  It was nearly 2 years later before they started that
training in the AF Tech Schools.  As I said, at least it was an easy repair.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of W2HX
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 11:35 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?

 

Anyone recognize this teleprinter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne
_Station.jpg

 

see on the desk. Photo can be expanded

 

73 Eugene W2HX

 

 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Jul  2 18:03:45 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:03:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
In-Reply-To: <029501d76f87$75fb4ab0$61f1e010$@gmail.com>
References: <a7a43c03-6a22-49fc-fb4c-42ab9468c6c6@tapr.org>
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As I thought more about it, I remember using the end of the 15 spindle 
to to stick in the small hole to pry it out.  Now wondering the purpose 
in the first place.  Perhaps some of the earlier machines just had a 
3/16" or so rod to hold the paper and needed the disks as an adapter?

---
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The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/2/2021 4:16 PM, Steve Garrison wrote:
> I remember those disks!  They were recessed into the cardboard spools and
> had a small hole in the center of the recess.
> 
> Steve G./N4TTY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 12:20 PM
> To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
> 
> As I'm installing the first new roll of paper,  (the aged gray pinkish stuff
> left in the printers has so far been enough for testing) I'm thinking there
> used to be a metal disk you had to remove to put it on a
> 15 or 28 spindle.  Am I remembering wrong? This might have been a AP/UPI
> thing since working at the TV station tended to keep me in paper supply.
> 

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Jul  2 18:15:43 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:15:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNe2HyhM9ymMD3JWg2=CUVUMi0g02GiPpF_f2EpFypMSMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7a43c03-6a22-49fc-fb4c-42ab9468c6c6@tapr.org>
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That could be it, but the recently purchased almost white paper rolls 
don't have them.  Compared to paper towels, the core is heavier stock.

I never thought to ask back then when someone might have remembered why. 
  At the time it was just an annoyance and move on to the next task.

---
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John, W9DDD

On 7/2/2021 5:05 PM, Nick England wrote:
> I think the disk just kept the paper roll core from getting out of round 
> during manuf/shipment??
> 
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 6:01 PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org 
> <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
> 
>     As I thought more about it, I remember using the end of the 15 spindle
>     to to stick in the small hole to pry it out.? Now wondering the purpose
>     in the first place.? Perhaps some of the earlier machines just had a
>     3/16" or so rod to hold the paper and needed the disks as an adapter?
> 
>     ---
>     ----
>     The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>     John, W9DDD
> 
>     On 7/2/2021 4:16 PM, Steve Garrison wrote:
>      > I remember those disks!? They were recessed into the cardboard
>     spools and
>      > had a small hole in the center of the recess.
>      >
>      > Steve G./N4TTY
>      >
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>     <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
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>      > Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 12:20 PM
>      > To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>      > Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
>      >
>      > As I'm installing the first new roll of paper,? (the aged gray
>     pinkish stuff
>      > left in the printers has so far been enough for testing) I'm
>     thinking there
>      > used to be a metal disk you had to remove to put it on a
>      > 15 or 28 spindle.? Am I remembering wrong? This might have been a
>     AP/UPI
>      > thing since working at the TV station tended to keep me in paper
>     supply.
>      >
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul  2 18:20:52 2021
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:20:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
In-Reply-To: <4be1253f-65a0-5a13-6879-3aeffb0a7f63@tapr.org>
References: <a7a43c03-6a22-49fc-fb4c-42ab9468c6c6@tapr.org>
	<029501d76f87$75fb4ab0$61f1e010$@gmail.com>
	<4be1253f-65a0-5a13-6879-3aeffb0a7f63@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <1510435278.1961228.1625264452053@mail.yahoo.com>

 I believe those were there to keep the spools from getting deformed in transit

    On Friday, July 2, 2021, 3:02:03 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:  
 
 As I thought more about it, I remember using the end of the 15 spindle 
to to stick in the small hole to pry it out.? Now wondering the purpose 
in the first place.? Perhaps some of the earlier machines just had a 
3/16" or so rod to hold the paper and needed the disks as an adapter?

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/2/2021 4:16 PM, Steve Garrison wrote:
> I remember those disks!? They were recessed into the cardboard spools and
> had a small hole in the center of the recess.
> 
> Steve G./N4TTY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 12:20 PM
> To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Faulty memory?
> 
> As I'm installing the first new roll of paper,? (the aged gray pinkish stuff
> left in the printers has so far been enough for testing) I'm thinking there
> used to be a metal disk you had to remove to put it on a
> 15 or 28 spindle.? Am I remembering wrong? This might have been a AP/UPI
> thing since working at the TV station tended to keep me in paper supply.
> 
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From ef1j91 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 16:53:57 2021
From: ef1j91 at gmail.com (E.M.F.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 16:53:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Olivetti TE-318 teleprinter
Message-ID: <D21B22E4-1828-489F-9D4F-49996B040DE5@gmail.com>

Dear Greenkeys,

I wanted to finally introduce myself after lurking for some time. Nearly three years ago I got an Olivetti TE-318 teleprinter and restored it to operation. I?ve written up some of my notes on the construction and operation of this machine:

http://ef1j.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.OlivettiTE-318 <http://ef1j.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.OlivettiTE-318>

It?s been a fun journey working with this unusual and seemingly rare (in the US) machine. The greatest challenge was restoring the parallelizer mechanism, which required 3D printing new plastic levers that become brittle and smashed to pieces. Since getting the machine to work initially, I?ve made steady improvements and been able to document the workings of a number of components. There is still more work to do, but it's reliable enough and a fun console for an RPi when I?m ?zoomed out?.

I?ve had it online tweeting (https://ef1j.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.PPTWEET <https://ef1j.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.PPTWEET>), and these days I regularly use it to print out zone weather forecasts and do a little ASCII art.

I?m eager to share documentation ? if anyone has any. I?d also like to dive into an ASR-33 to compare the mechanics at some point.

Kind regards,
Eric F.
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 19:08:39 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 17:08:39 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Olivetti TE-318 teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <D21B22E4-1828-489F-9D4F-49996B040DE5@gmail.com>
References: <D21B22E4-1828-489F-9D4F-49996B040DE5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AC4D71B-B955-48B5-ACB1-7B19B6748843@comcast.net>

Thanks for telling us. I enjoyed your article.

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, E.M.F. <ef1j91 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear Greenkeys,
> 
> I wanted to finally introduce myself after lurking for some time. Nearly three years ago I got an Olivetti TE-318 teleprinter and restored it to operation. I?ve written up some of my notes on the construction and operation of this machine:
> 
> http://ef1j.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.OlivettiTE-318
> 
> It?s been a fun journey working with this unusual and seemingly rare (in the US) machine. The greatest challenge was restoring the parallelizer mechanism, which required 3D printing new plastic levers that become brittle and smashed to pieces. Since getting the machine to work initially, I?ve made steady improvements and been able to document the workings of a number of components. There is still more work to do, but it's reliable enough and a fun console for an RPi when I?m ?zoomed out?.
> 
> I?ve had it online tweeting (https://ef1j.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.PPTWEET), and these days I regularly use it to print out zone weather forecasts and do a little ASCII art.
> 
> I?m eager to share documentation ? if anyone has any. I?d also like to dive into an ASR-33 to compare the mechanics at some point.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Eric F.
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Jul  2 21:38:04 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 01:38:04 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB500361066B0F403BB989A086A81F9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<DM6PR04MB500361066B0F403BB989A086A81F9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6440007ad80b4fd798dac6aa04e343f1@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Looks like a mite on steroids. Anyone else?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> 
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: teleprinter?

From: W2HX [w2hx at w2hx.com] -- Friday, July 2, 2021 10:35 AM

> Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg

Some kind of MITE?

        Doug Jones
        jones at cs.uiowa.edu

(Worked for Collins Radio for a summer way back in the 1980s -- fun people!  I shared an office with a guy who was designing replacement avionics for the MiG 23 jet fighter -- and the cold war was still on.  Turns out that Russia hand sold/donated a batch of them to India, and India wanted to update their avionics to modern standards.)
 
	
	

From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Jul  2 21:47:48 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 01:47:48 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <6440007ad80b4fd798dac6aa04e343f1@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<DM6PR04MB500361066B0F403BB989A086A81F9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <d5d1afc8e9b4437ba159aede9a17c71b@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

I think K6YIC wins the cigar. 

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of W2HX
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 9:38 PM
To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?

Looks like a mite on steroids. Anyone else?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: teleprinter?

From: W2HX [w2hx at w2hx.com] -- Friday, July 2, 2021 10:35 AM

> Anyone recognize this teleprinter?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Ai
> rborne_Station.jpg

Some kind of MITE?

        Doug Jones
        jones at cs.uiowa.edu

(Worked for Collins Radio for a summer way back in the 1980s -- fun people!  I shared an office with a guy who was designing replacement avionics for the MiG 23 jet fighter -- and the cold war was still on.  Turns out that Russia hand sold/donated a batch of them to India, and India wanted to update their avionics to modern standards.)
 
	
	
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul  6 13:01:19 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:01:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Stunt Box Mania
Message-ID: <f4aefe07-7b51-4cbc-fbda-842544626f28@tapr.org>

First off, I hope all had glorious 4th.  Pretty nice weather here and 
somewhat cool for July.  I know some are on pins and needles wondering 
what the tropical storm is going to do.  I hope all are safe.

Now this will probably repeat because I don't recall what I've posted 
and what I haven't.

The easy one first.
The KSR didn't ring the bell and had some strange stuff in it. I had a 
spare SB with the basics in it.  I added a sequence detector (aka CDC) 
to it which detects the granddaughter's name (Olivia) and rings the 
bell.  Worked first crack out of the box.

The ASR wouldn't do a CR, it did Auto CRLF, and the manual red button 
worked, but not a CR signal from the line.
It turned out to have a LF function bar in the CR position, but it 
didn't seem to function on a LF signal either.  Removed SB and removed 
some gunk from that area of the SB.  Decided to not change the LF 
function bar since I thought the gunk was the problem.
Put the SB back in and it seemed to work fine.

Did the aforementioned KSR mods at this point in time.

Back to work on the ASR, finished lubricating the LXD, put the sheet 
metal parts back on (a screw left over, grrr).

Did a test run to make sure everything was OK.

Decided to do a little beautification, cleaned and polished the 
exterior.  Did a little vacuuming behind and removed some old cables I 
no longer needed for POTS.  Slept good that night.

Next day I was showing off to the family. I noticed it was not printing 
the U in country and times it wouldn't print the rest of country.  RYs 
stopped at the same location.  Then it flat locked up at the far right. 
Even the red CR key didn't bring it back.

So out comes the printer, got the typebox carriage moving freely again.

Out comes the SB (SoB?).  I'm thinking the universal CDC is U, and the 
character that got dropped first was a U.  So I decided I don't need all 
this extra stuff anyhow and proceeded to clear out everything from slot 
6 to slot 37 except for the UC S (bell switch) stuff.  (Some of you will 
be able to anticipate what happens next)  Hey the minimal SB out of my 
spares didn't have any of that and works fine in the KSR.

Got it all back together and it prints crazy.  Only returns halfway and 
then starts to print.  Hey it spaces on blank and LF, hmmm.

So out comes the SB one more time.  Put in LF and BL function bars with 
the space suppression function levers.  It seems well behaved now. 
Let's see what happens tomorrow?

This was a little like an experience I had with the starter motor on a 
'80 Cadillac Diesel.  The original died and I took it in to swap for a 
re-built. The process took the better part of a day.  That exhaust pipe 
is in the wrong place and it took forever to figure the route to get the 
starter motor out. In about a week the re-built one died.  No problem, 
they swapped it for another re-built.  The in and out too more like 3 
hours this time.  You guessed it, the 2nd one died too.  By now I was 
getting some sympathy from the counter folks and they gave me a GM new 
starter motor the 3rd time.  The last time I took out the old one and 
put in the new one in half an hour.   After all the practice, I knew 
exactly which was to twist and turn and how far I could move between 
each twist before twisting again.

I'm much quicker removing and replacing stunt boxes now too.  The step I 
kept forgetting was moving the LF single/double lever to the double 
position.  This last time I nailed it!
-- 
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Tue Jul  6 14:40:27 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 18:40:27 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?
Message-ID: <09036e9de75f448297293aaa059df4eb@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Amazing, I just did a google for TT-541 and there were zero hits?! Does anyone have any info on this machine?


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Daniel Jones K6YIC
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:16 PM
To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?

Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s all I had. 


From djones at k6yic.com  Tue Jul  6 15:29:09 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones K6YIC)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:29:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <09036e9de75f448297293aaa059df4eb@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <09036e9de75f448297293aaa059df4eb@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <DB493020-6CBA-4982-88AA-0B8376CCF356@k6yic.com>

That picture was from the guy who got all of Dave Ross?s stuff when he bought the Dave Ross property.  He is the one selling the gear for 10k on eBay.  I am not sure if he still has them or not. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274410710794

Daniel


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:42, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Amazing, I just did a google for TT-541 and there were zero hits?! Does anyone have any info on this machine?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Daniel Jones K6YIC
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:16 PM
> To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
> 
> Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s all I had. 
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From djones at k6yic.com  Tue Jul  6 15:51:47 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:51:47 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <DB493020-6CBA-4982-88AA-0B8376CCF356@k6yic.com>
References: <DB493020-6CBA-4982-88AA-0B8376CCF356@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <E36AF2D2-38C6-4FC4-B0E4-485D28CD63B0@k6yic.com>

Found a slightly better picture of it that he sent me last year.  



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2021, at 12:30, Daniel Jones K6YIC <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That picture was from the guy who got all of Dave Ross?s stuff when he bought the Dave Ross property.  He is the one selling the gear for 10k on eBay.  I am not sure if he still has them or not. 
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/274410710794
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:42, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Amazing, I just did a google for TT-541 and there were zero hits?! Does anyone have any info on this machine?
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Daniel Jones K6YIC
>> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:16 PM
>> To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
>> 
>> Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s all I had. 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 16:20:10 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 16:20:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <E36AF2D2-38C6-4FC4-B0E4-485D28CD63B0@k6yic.com>
References: <DB493020-6CBA-4982-88AA-0B8376CCF356@k6yic.com>
	<E36AF2D2-38C6-4FC4-B0E4-485D28CD63B0@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfL3pg3NAYmx8OwGO8ixKGed1yC_hJazYRHEDbsf9v6iA@mail.gmail.com>

Aha, the TT-541 is just the reperf. The complete ASR is an AN/TGC-29. Not
that the Goog has any useful info on that, other than someone willing to
sell you the MIL spec for it.
Nick

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:52 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:

> Found a slightly better picture of it that he sent me last year.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2021, at 12:30, Daniel Jones K6YIC <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
>
> ?That picture was from the guy who got all of Dave Ross?s stuff when he
> bought the Dave Ross property.  He is the one selling the gear for 10k on
> eBay.  I am not sure if he still has them or not.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/274410710794
>
> Daniel
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:42, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
>
> ?Amazing, I just did a google for TT-541 and there were zero hits?! Does
> anyone have any info on this machine?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Daniel Jones K6YIC
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:16 PM
> To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>; Greenkeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
>
> Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s
> all I had.
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 17:17:11 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 17:17:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <E36AF2D2-38C6-4FC4-B0E4-485D28CD63B0@k6yic.com>
References: <DB493020-6CBA-4982-88AA-0B8376CCF356@k6yic.com>
	<E36AF2D2-38C6-4FC4-B0E4-485D28CD63B0@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcGoyHCOdZLJa8a3yU==psSh3Jwe=ZJ0etmB2WV6fi1=w@mail.gmail.com>

I t turns out I had squirreled away a few more photos of the TGC-29 from
last year. Now posted at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm#tgc29

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:52 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:

> Found a slightly better picture of it that he sent me last year.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2021, at 12:30, Daniel Jones K6YIC <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
>
> ?That picture was from the guy who got all of Dave Ross?s stuff when he
> bought the Dave Ross property.  He is the one selling the gear for 10k on
> eBay.  I am not sure if he still has them or not.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/274410710794
>
> Daniel
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:42, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
>
> ?Amazing, I just did a google for TT-541 and there were zero hits?! Does
> anyone have any info on this machine?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Daniel Jones K6YIC
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:16 PM
> To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>; Greenkeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
>
> Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s
> all I had.
>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Tue Jul  6 19:40:33 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 23:40:33 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcGoyHCOdZLJa8a3yU==psSh3Jwe=ZJ0etmB2WV6fi1=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DB493020-6CBA-4982-88AA-0B8376CCF356@k6yic.com>
	<E36AF2D2-38C6-4FC4-B0E4-485D28CD63B0@k6yic.com>
	<CAB55hNcGoyHCOdZLJa8a3yU==psSh3Jwe=ZJ0etmB2WV6fi1=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca1954b17bf14819a8697f88b1fa7e0d@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Great! Thanks for the extra pix. Nice looking machine. I wonder if it suffered from reliability issues like other mites are said to have suffered from.. Very cool, though.

From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:17 PM
To: Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com>
Cc: W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com>; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TT-541 Teleprinter?

I t turns out I had squirreled away a few more photos of the TGC-29 from last year. Now posted at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm#tgc29

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:52 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com<mailto:djones at k6yic.com>> wrote:
Found a slightly better picture of it that he sent me last year.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 6, 2021, at 12:30, Daniel Jones K6YIC <djones at k6yic.com<mailto:djones at k6yic.com>> wrote:
?That picture was from the guy who got all of Dave Ross?s stuff when he bought the Dave Ross property.  He is the one selling the gear for 10k on eBay.  I am not sure if he still has them or not.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274410710794

Daniel

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:42, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com<mailto:w2hx at w2hx.com>> wrote:
?Amazing, I just did a google for TT-541 and there were zero hits?! Does anyone have any info on this machine?


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Daniel Jones K6YIC
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 1:16 PM
To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu<mailto:douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>>; Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?

Looks like a version of this TT-541.  Sorry for the poor picture but it?s all I had.
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Tue Jul  6 23:08:02 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 21:08:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_here=E2=80=99s_something_different?=
Message-ID: <8A325EDD-70E8-417F-A316-72D7CAB4EBB5@comcast.net>

I just found this site courtesy of hackday:

https://www.evan-doorbell.com/

I?m only ten minutes into the first tape, and I?ve already decided to share it with people as I know. I think many people our Greenkeys this list will enjoy it.  Many will remember, and this is a pleasant trip down memory lane.  Others will have never experience it and might find it interesting. 

I think his narration is both good and instructive for people who were not around back then. And even though I do not need his narration to explain things, I am really enjoying it. 

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul  7 00:24:56 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 21:24:56 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?OT=3A_here=E2=80=99s_something_differe?=
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In-Reply-To: <8A325EDD-70E8-417F-A316-72D7CAB4EBB5@comcast.net>
References: <8A325EDD-70E8-417F-A316-72D7CAB4EBB5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <86f44c0afbb2a403b82cef9eb7cf42da.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


> I just found this site courtesy of hackday:
>
> https://www.evan-doorbell.com/
>

That looks great! I played around with telephone stuff long ago. In junior
high, I built a small step switch using steppers out of an old pinball
machine a friend found at the dump. In high school, I got a bunch of old
Strowger switches that Pacific Telephone had given my high school. My
friend and I built a small step switch in my garage. I remember sitting in
algebra class sketching out relay circuits to make it work. Still remember
that the A relay had a split coil and was the loop current relay that
detected off hook and dial pulses. The B relay was a slow release relay
that separated out dial pulses from hook switch changes. Lots of fun!

That same friend and I ran a mile of wire through trees for our autostart
model 15 circuit.

There is some more telephone history at http://bh.hallikainen.org . Search
the page for "Telephone and Telegraph History".

Harold
back on 20 meter autostart RTTY during the day.
https://w6iwi.org



-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From dennis.hanley at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 18:20:36 2021
From: dennis.hanley at gmail.com (Dennis Hanley)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:20:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
Message-ID: <CAPyDOHQVaMHaAPAdEMwBUup_vWP9+ACJHFYNJ8kA5=sTNeyGWA@mail.gmail.com>

I recently acquired a 28KSR that was apparently used as an early TDD
device.  It came with a Phonetype TU-4 acoustic modem. I'm still trying to
figure out the wiring, but was able to verify operation by temporarily
connecting directly to the selector magnets.

So far so good, but it is equipped with pin feed paper roller.  My other
machines have standard friction feed rollers.

Paper of this unique size seems to be hard to find, and pricey when you
find it.  It's 8 1/2" wide including the drive holes, more common is 9 1/2"
with tear off edges which of course won't work.  I was able to find a
source online in Atlanta for a box of 2700 sheets for $68.95 including
shipping.

So, I have a two-part question, 1) is there a way to convert this to
friction feed paper without sacrificing parts from another machine, or 2)
does anyone know of a source of pin feed paper at a better price and/or
lower quantity?  (2700 sheets will very likely last longer than me!)

Thank you in advance for any ideas and or suggestions.

Dennis, KB6C
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From djones at k6yic.com  Wed Jul  7 19:18:00 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:18:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
In-Reply-To: <CAPyDOHQVaMHaAPAdEMwBUup_vWP9+ACJHFYNJ8kA5=sTNeyGWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPyDOHQVaMHaAPAdEMwBUup_vWP9+ACJHFYNJ8kA5=sTNeyGWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <105ABFCA-69BD-4727-ACFA-0CE4D533A5E8@k6yic.com>

I am not sure if this will help but here is a link for a new platen.  You can also call Mr RTTY (Paul) at RTTY electronics 510-222-3102. 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/114877263903

Daniel 
K6YIC 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2021, at 15:23, Dennis Hanley <dennis.hanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I recently acquired a 28KSR that was apparently used as an early TDD device.  It came with a Phonetype TU-4 acoustic modem. I'm still trying to figure out the wiring, but was able to verify operation by temporarily connecting directly to the selector magnets. 
> 
> So far so good, but it is equipped with pin feed paper roller.  My other machines have standard friction feed rollers.
> 
> Paper of this unique size seems to be hard to find, and pricey when you find it.  It's 8 1/2" wide including the drive holes, more common is 9 1/2" with tear off edges which of course won't work.  I was able to find a source online in Atlanta for a box of 2700 sheets for $68.95 including shipping.
> 
> So, I have a two-part question, 1) is there a way to convert this to friction feed paper without sacrificing parts from another machine, or 2) does anyone know of a source of pin feed paper at a better price and/or lower quantity?  (2700 sheets will very likely last longer than me!)
> 
> Thank you in advance for any ideas and or suggestions.
> 
> Dennis, KB6C
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Jul  7 23:32:37 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 21:32:37 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
In-Reply-To: <CAPyDOHQVaMHaAPAdEMwBUup_vWP9+ACJHFYNJ8kA5=sTNeyGWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPyDOHQVaMHaAPAdEMwBUup_vWP9+ACJHFYNJ8kA5=sTNeyGWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37E92ED5-6B74-45C0-91B8-73F30128CB46@comcast.net>

Try a Greenkeys search. Tom Tillson has occasionally posted a source.

Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003 or 468466

ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE


> On Jul 7, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Dennis Hanley <dennis.hanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I recently acquired a 28KSR that was apparently used as an early TDD device.  It came with a Phonetype TU-4 acoustic modem. I'm still trying to figure out the wiring, but was able to verify operation by temporarily connecting directly to the selector magnets. 
> 
> So far so good, but it is equipped with pin feed paper roller.  My other machines have standard friction feed rollers.
> 
> Paper of this unique size seems to be hard to find, and pricey when you find it.  It's 8 1/2" wide including the drive holes, more common is 9 1/2" with tear off edges which of course won't work.  I was able to find a source online in Atlanta for a box of 2700 sheets for $68.95 including shipping.
> 
> So, I have a two-part question, 1) is there a way to convert this to friction feed paper without sacrificing parts from another machine, or 2) does anyone know of a source of pin feed paper at a better price and/or lower quantity?  (2700 sheets will very likely last longer than me!)
> 
> Thank you in advance for any ideas and or suggestions.
> 
> Dennis, KB6C
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  7 22:11:48 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 22:11:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] teleprinter?
In-Reply-To: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <ad1f5c0a20d4434d99d320180c098514@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <a08c5baa-0cba-48ff-7934-d7e66ba0cec0@earthlink.net>

On 02-Jul-21 11:35, W2HX wrote:
>
> Anyone recognize this 
> teleprinter?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Collins#/media/File:Collins_Airborne_Station.jpg>
>
> ?73 Eugene W2HX
>

I was off-line last weekend and still trying to get caught up with my email.

I came across this picture a few years ago. The Collins Airborne Station 
looks like an AN/ASC-12. See Collins description attached. The TTY looks 
like the MITE ASR, AN/TGC-29. I found a write-up about the Collins & 
MITE gear at http://www.hypertools.com/pix/pix.html. That URL doesn't 
work anymore (but sounds familiar - someone here on Greenkeys?) but I 
saved the write-up and it is enclosed as "AN TGC-15.txt"

The MITEs were hard to work on because they were so small and densely 
packed.? Most of the pictures I've seen of them were in aircraft, where 
weight & space were paramount.? Doomsday plane picture enclosed.

The US Signal Corps almost used them in the AN/GRC-122/-142. Enclosed is 
a page out of a Signal Corps document (thanks to Ron Boltz) showing a 
(prototype?) "AN/GRC-142" with the AN/TGC-29 & AN/TGC-14. As an Army TTY 
repairman, I'm thankful that the stock GRC-122/-142 units used the TT-76 
& TT-98s!

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ

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ASC-12---page-1
Now this has got to be a very limited production item. The ASC-12 was used to add comms capability to an aircraft when the mission required more radio than was built into the aircraft originally. It looks as if the unit pictured in this brochure is the same one that is in the photo shown three pages down. 

ASC-12---page-2
The text mentions a AN/TGC-15(XN-4) teleprinter. The photo shows a variant of MITE ASR teleprinter. The MITE ASR in the photo is different from the usual MITE ASR in that there is a hinged panel just above and to the right of the slide-out keyboard. This hinged panel is missing in the common MITE ASR and the TGC-29 MITE tactical ASR units. My guess is that this MITE was designed for crypto use, I have no idea what is behind this hinged panel. 

ASC-12---page-3
The word 'matrix' shows up at several places in the block diagram. It describes the interconnect scheme used between the audio section (operator & interphone & modems) and the HF radio. First guess is that the audio matrix is implemented in the 452S-6 and a 452S-5 units.

ASC-12---pic-1_T
What's behind door #1? A stack of URG-1 gear. Top row, the left two boxes appear to be a 452S-6 and a 452S-5 - if I read the number correctly then both are described as a 'relay unit' but beyond that they are a mystery to me - could be they have to do with the implementation of the modem switching matrix. Then a TE-204A-4 modem, and three more modems, a 700B-4 and two 700B-2 units. Next row down is the HF receiver section - a 789R-1 IF translator, a 618Z-4 RF translator, and a 635V-1 preselector. The bottom row in the rack is the HF transmitter section - left box is unknown, next is a 789T-1 IF translator, a 618Z-4 RF translator, and the 548L-4A 1 KW RF power amp. On the bottom deck is a hefty ventilation fan, an ARC-51 and an ARC-54. 

ASC-12---pic-2_T
This second ASC-12 is a bit different - no MITE ASR, just a garden-variety non-tactical MITE KSR. Note the tail number on the engraved panel - 58-6970. This tail number belongs to a USAF VC-137B (Boeing 707-153B) which saw service as Air Force 1. US Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon all flew on this plane. For more info on the tail number, click here. Nice elapsed-time clock by Breitling-Wakmann
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From til128 at juno.com  Thu Jul  8 12:57:50 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:57:50 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
Message-ID: <20210708.125750.10731.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Hi Dennis:

This is what you are looking for:

https://tinyurl.com/ax3uf2tk

Enter the following discount code and get 10% off: GOOGLE

Good luck

Tom WB2TTY

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To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:20:36 -0700



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I recently acquired a 28KSR that was apparently used as an early TDD
device.  It came with a Phonetype TU-4 acoustic modem. I'm still trying to
figure out the wiring, but was able to verify operation by temporarily
connecting directly to the selector magnets.

So far so good, but it is equipped with pin feed paper roller.  My other
machines have standard friction feed rollers.

Paper of this unique size seems to be hard to find, and pricey when you
find it.  It's 8 1/2" wide including the drive holes, more common is 9 1/2"
with tear off edges which of course won't work.  I was able to find a
source online in Atlanta for a box of 2700 sheets for $68.95 including
shipping.

So, I have a two-part question, 1) is there a way to convert this to
friction feed paper without sacrificing parts from another machine, or 2)
does anyone know of a source of pin feed paper at a better price and/or
lower quantity?  (2700 sheets will very likely last longer than me!)

Thank you in advance for any ideas and or suggestions.

Dennis, KB6C
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From til128 at juno.com  Thu Jul  8 12:59:47 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:59:47 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
Message-ID: <20210708.125947.10731.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

That platen appeared to be for a 15.

TT

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To: Dennis Hanley <dennis.hanley at gmail.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Paper Feed
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:18:00 -0700


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I am not sure if this will help but here is a link for a new platen.  You can also call Mr RTTY (Paul) at RTTY electronics 510-222-3102. 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/114877263903

Daniel 
K6YIC 

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> On Jul 7, 2021, at 15:23, Dennis Hanley <dennis.hanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I recently acquired a 28KSR that was apparently used as an early TDD device.  It came with a Phonetype TU-4 acoustic modem. I'm still trying to figure out the wiring, but was able to verify operation by temporarily connecting directly to the selector magnets. 
> 
> So far so good, but it is equipped with pin feed paper roller.  My other machines have standard friction feed rollers.
> 
> Paper of this unique size seems to be hard to find, and pricey when you find it.  It's 8 1/2" wide including the drive holes, more common is 9 1/2" with tear off edges which of course won't work.  I was able to find a source online in Atlanta for a box of 2700 sheets for $68.95 including shipping.
> 
> So, I have a two-part question, 1) is there a way to convert this to friction feed paper without sacrificing parts from another machine, or 2) does anyone know of a source of pin feed paper at a better price and/or lower quantity?  (2700 sheets will very likely last longer than me!)
> 
> Thank you in advance for any ideas and or suggestions.
> 
> Dennis, KB6C
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 16:27:40 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:27:40 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More MITE ASR info
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdk4+ZKuSLCKeaJkGUE0S1yMYsgTvj7OFq6pxJTPmhdTA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Duncan Brown, I've added a few more photos plus the MITE ASR
patent.
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm#tgc29

Cheers,
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From john at toebes.com  Thu Jul  8 16:49:06 2021
From: john at toebes.com (john at toebes.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:49:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for a Western Electric 425E Network module
Message-ID: <03df01d7743a$b1c4aa20$154dfe60$@toebes.com>

I realize this is a long shot on a slightly tangential subject, but I?m in
the process of refurbishing an old Western Electric 500 rotary phone and
have determined that the 425E Net module is most likely bad (capacitors
dried out or other such nonsense).   By chance does anyone have one laying
around that they are willing to part with?  You can see a description of it
at
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11004.msg117782#msg
117782



Thanks!



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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Jul  9 11:02:20 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 15:02:20 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
Message-ID: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Saw this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB

and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 208VDC? On a nuclear sub?

73 Eugene W2HX


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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Jul  9 19:43:13 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 18:43:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rixon relay
Message-ID: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>

Anyone ever see or use a Rixon Semiconductor Relay P/N 905-3333 plug in 
replacement for a WE 255?  I just found one in my stash.

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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 10 09:14:43 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 08:14:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rixon relay
In-Reply-To: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>
References: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>

When I worked at Teletype in the summer of 1958 one of the little projects
I was handed was a solid state replacement for the polar relay.  My boss
and I both came up with the idea of a low-voltage selector magnet and
solid state driver as was later done in models 32, 33 and 35 and later.

I remember we had some company's sample of a solid state polar relay in
a 255A can, but I don't remember the name of the company.  I remember it
had two transistors in series to handle the 120V loop.

I had a somewhat larger concept of using low voltage inside a complete
set, keeping the high voltage loop outside.  This I failed to sell, so
the internal wiring of sets remained complicated by having loops that
had to be kept closed.

And we were concentrating on the problem of driving the selector magnet, 
when the more difficult problem was on the line side of the relay, where 
it had to accomodate neutral or polar or some of the other zoo of circuits 
that were in use for TTY transmission in those days.

Jim W6JVE

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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 09:58:53 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:58:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rixon relay
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>
References: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>,
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>
Message-ID: <60E9A79D.21927.24CED27@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 10 Jul 2021 at 8:14, Jim Haynes wrote:

> I remember we had some company's
> sample of a solid state polar relay in
> a 255A can, but I don't remember the
> name of the company. 

Trepac in Englewood, NJ  and 
Diamond Repeater Co. in Madison, NJ 
both made solid state polar relays, in the 
60s ... but neither was made in a 255-like 
enclosure ...  

At ITT Worldcom we used both models in our 
leased line M28s ... avoided a lot of tricky 
adjustments needed by 255 relays. 






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From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Sat Jul 10 10:22:16 2021
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:22:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rixon relay
In-Reply-To: <60E9A79D.21927.24CED27@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>
	<60E9A79D.21927.24CED27@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cdd55153-174a-212a-d958-0c8b7c953df2@cedarknolltelephone.com>

Sure they did!? I wish I could find a manual for it.

PDW

On 7/10/2021 9:58 AM, Jim Cooper wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2021 at 8:14, Jim Haynes wrote:
>
> > I remember we had some company's
> > sample of a solid state polar relay in
> > a 255A can, but I don't remember the
> > name of the company.
>
> Trepac in Englewood, NJ? and
> Diamond Repeater Co. in Madison, NJ
> both made solid state polar relays, in the
> 60s ... but neither was made in a 255-like
> enclosure ...
>
> At ITT Worldcom we used both models in our
> leased line M28s ... avoided a lot of tricky
> adjustments needed by 255 relays.
>
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From ksweek at mindspring.com  Sat Jul 10 10:22:38 2021
From: ksweek at mindspring.com (ken Schwieker)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:22:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANG
	EOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <mailman.400.1625926984.3569.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v 
calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.

Ken S


Saw this

<https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB>https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB



and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 
208VDC? On a nuclear sub?



73 Eugene W2HX



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From kb8tq at n1k.org  Sat Jul 10 10:31:21 2021
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:31:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <20210710142547.978F1149AAD7@mail.qsl.net>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<20210710142547.978F1149AAD7@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <12505826-F6EC-4738-BBD8-5E8F7D25DBCC@n1k.org>

Hi

Further down they mention 300 lines a minute at 80 characters a line. Line 
printers used a bit more power than a basic TTY. Still 9A at 208V sounds 
crazy.

Bob

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:22 AM, ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.
> 
> Ken S
> 
> 
> Saw this 
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB <https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB> 
> 
>  
> 
> and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 208VDC? On a nuclear sub? 
> 
>  
> 
> 73 Eugene W2HX
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From kb8tq at n1k.org  Sat Jul 10 10:33:05 2021
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:33:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <20210710142547.978F1149AAD7@mail.qsl.net>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<20210710142547.978F1149AAD7@mail.qsl.net>
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Hi

?? and had I completed reading the next sentence:

10.6A max at 28 VDC 

Bob

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:22 AM, ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.
> 
> Ken S
> 
> 
> Saw this 
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB <https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB> 
> 
>  
> 
> and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 208VDC? On a nuclear sub? 
> 
>  
> 
> 73 Eugene W2HX
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 10 10:37:05 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:37:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rixon relay
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>
References: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>
Message-ID: <e34d0e8a-f4d4-7196-3d5e-375283f57024@tapr.org>

As pointed out by Tom, the Rixon has 3 large pins and the 255 has 2 of 
each large and small.

The other difference you can note from the connection diagram is pin 8 
is labeled "return" where the 255 has no connection to pin 8. Was that 
intended to be an earth ground to minimize RF noise from the device? It 
would appear that modifications were required to use this beast.

Doesn't exactly look like a case of parts reduction to minimize cost 
does it.

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The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/10/2021 8:14 AM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> When I worked at Teletype in the summer of 1958 one of the little projects
> I was handed was a solid state replacement for the polar relay.? My boss
> and I both came up with the idea of a low-voltage selector magnet and
> solid state driver as was later done in models 32, 33 and 35 and later.
> 
> I remember we had some company's sample of a solid state polar relay in
> a 255A can, but I don't remember the name of the company.? I remember it
> had two transistors in series to handle the 120V loop.
> 
> I had a somewhat larger concept of using low voltage inside a complete
> set, keeping the high voltage loop outside.? This I failed to sell, so
> the internal wiring of sets remained complicated by having loops that
> had to be kept closed.
> 
> And we were concentrating on the problem of driving the selector magnet, 
> when the more difficult problem was on the line side of the relay, where 
> it had to accomodate neutral or polar or some of the other zoo of 
> circuits that were in use for TTY transmission in those days.
> 
> Jim W6JVE
> 
>  ????---
> 
>  ????"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>  ????"No it ain't! No it ain't!? But ya gotta know the territory."
>  ??????? Meredith Willson, The Music Man
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Jul 10 10:38:33 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 07:38:33 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <0AF8FC40-F705-43D5-8886-7CBCF13B593A@n1k.org>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<20210710142547.978F1149AAD7@mail.qsl.net>
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I found a manual on line for it and it states that its 20.5-34.0VDC required and uses 280W.  

It refers to it as a High Speed Teleprinter which the Army calls a Line Printer.

Here is the link to the manual.

https://books.google.com/books?id=3tJjxwEACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false <https://books.google.com/books?id=3tJjxwEACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false>

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HH Phone #11973




> On Jul 10, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Bob kb8tq <kb8tq at n1k.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> ?? and had I completed reading the next sentence:
> 
> 10.6A max at 28 VDC 
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:22 AM, ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com <mailto:ksweek at mindspring.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.
>> 
>> Ken S
>> 
>> 
>> Saw this 
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB <https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 208VDC? On a nuclear sub? 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 10:49:08 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:49:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <20210710142523.E2FDA149A75C@mail.qsl.net>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>,
	<2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANG
	EOUTLOOK.COM>, <20210710142523.E2FDA149A75C@mail.qsl.net>
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Eugene ... you said you saw 208Vdc on the data plate ... 
I could not get enough resolution on the only photo showing 
the data plate to be able to read the text ...  are you sure 
you didn't see it in the sellers comment that they could not 
find 208VDC to test it?  (THAT could be a typo) 

Found this link while browsing ...

https://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/Details.a
spx?PUB_ID=55698

TM 11-7025-203-12



On 10 Jul 2021 at 9:22, ken Schwieker wrote:

> Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v 
> calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.
> 
> Ken S
> 
> 
> Saw this
> 
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOS
> wI8RgssNB>https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:
> g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB
> 
> 
> 
> and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 
> 208VDC? On a nuclear sub?
> 
> 
> 
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> 
> 
> 
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 11:09:00 2021
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:09:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <20210710142536.77D3F149AA07@mail.qsl.net>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<20210710142536.77D3F149AA07@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CAMyt5ORo_pgHeBNqSMsihpAQNR4TNGnLdjJntDKVoLUZCRrGzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Probably right. This shows +28V on the block diagram for the power supply.
https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QacUSmgLtFgvaYPakOiZGZjH-Nhqh9XeHwS4R_DUGeBpWeKEDf8Ph-S9_TRctelxR81lDp3luSWDCM3HW5ZbSXwGFcf2zsqO4ejTF1gT2pQ8pq_Mr3hn8NF5wNmd378gP-x0KgTFdk_qnq41sigz2XF0OLeJYYV4gxm0f64ISTvUP4jWyjk31SSqAxw4okhKyyqNRYVttQDyCJYIz_CV8xJ_MG-guJbnXwSqydckH-RVBp9i_QLOtRF88wCbi-2RrSdWJS2R1HDcBLCxEYOfShrJ2Zhas-8muXvCk_O0SoUlvBo0Spc


On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 10:25 AM ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com>
wrote:

> Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v
> calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.
>
> Ken S
>
>
> Saw this
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB
>
>
>
> and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find 208VDC?
> On a nuclear sub?
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
>
>
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From robert.h.goff at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 19:36:45 2021
From: robert.h.goff at gmail.com (Robert Goff)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 16:36:45 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Rixon relay
In-Reply-To: <cdd55153-174a-212a-d958-0c8b7c953df2@cedarknolltelephone.com>
References: <2db79ce3-0aae-2777-45b2-7a9cf8574869@tapr.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107100757170.1980@Frances>
	<60E9A79D.21927.24CED27@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
	<cdd55153-174a-212a-d958-0c8b7c953df2@cedarknolltelephone.com>
Message-ID: <CAF6Vb54jrp+r5YnZGcu3x84n9zRzunmRx69+H+fodc3JNjOBcA@mail.gmail.com>

The author of "RTTY from A to Z", W5VU, gives a few pages to the
Trepac 538A, which is exactly what you describe: a plug-in substitute
for WE 255. Starts on page 50 for anyone who has the book, I've never
seen an electronic copy.
Robert

On 7/10/21, Paul Wills <pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com> wrote:
> Sure they did!  I wish I could find a manual for it.
>
> PDW
>
> On 7/10/2021 9:58 AM, Jim Cooper wrote:
>> On 10 Jul 2021 at 8:14, Jim Haynes wrote:
>>
>> > I remember we had some company's
>> > sample of a solid state polar relay in
>> > a 255A can, but I don't remember the
>> > name of the company.
>>
>> Trepac in Englewood, NJ  and
>> Diamond Repeater Co. in Madison, NJ
>> both made solid state polar relays, in the
>> 60s ... but neither was made in a 255-like
>> enclosure ...
>>
>> At ITT Worldcom we used both models in our
>> leased line M28s ... avoided a lot of tricky
>> adjustments needed by 255 relays.
>>
>

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 17:19:51 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:19:51 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfA9AnG-4jO-L9QfwxRXUBn+Gwaqye7+m_-bx3mqyxLmA@mail.gmail.com>

Besides teletypes I am fascinated by paper tape Morse code systems -
Here's a cool photo from 1930 showing the whole setup - Navy Radio Station
at Los Banos, Philippines
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg
Note the "tape buffer" trash cans.

Right-to-left in the photo
Transmitting - Tape is punched with a Wheatstone perforator and read with a
keying head which keys the transmitter
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg
Receiving - tape is pulled through an ink recorder and then pulled past a
radioman who reads the Morse "slip" and types on a typewriter.
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg

FWIW more photos and videos of equipment and operation at
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Sun Jul 11 22:08:51 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 02:08:51 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <60E9B364.472.27AED47@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>,
	<2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANG	EOUTLOOK.COM>,
	<20210710142523.E2FDA149A75C@mail.qsl.net>
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Message-ID: <3b9731e0bb4b4928b2976af1363a2162@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

I think everyone is correct. A typo. Funny you don't expect typos on a data plate!

Jim, here is the screenshot.



[cid:image001.png at 01D776A1.42AC4F80]



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jim Cooper
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 10:49 AM
To: Greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?



Eugene ... you said you saw 208Vdc on the data plate ...

I could not get enough resolution on the only photo showing the data plate to be able to read the text ...  are you sure you didn't see it in the sellers comment that they could not find 208VDC to test it?  (THAT could be a typo)



Found this link while browsing ...



https://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/Details.a

spx?PUB_ID=55698



TM 11-7025-203-12







On 10 Jul 2021 at 9:22, ken Schwieker wrote:



> Me thinks that is a typo and should be 28 volts.. Power for 208v

> calculates to north of 1600 watts. A bit much for a TTY machine.

>

> Ken S

>

>

> Saw this

>

> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:g:pH4AAOS

> wI8RgssNB>https://www.ebay.com/itm/373597084863?hash=item56fc1f1cbf:

> g:pH4AAOSwI8RgssNB

>

>

>

> and noticed on the data plate it says 208VDC. Where does one find

> 208VDC? On a nuclear sub?

>

>

>

> 73 Eugene W2HX

>

>

>

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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 22:25:24 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 22:25:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <3b9731e0bb4b4928b2976af1363a2162@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>,
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On 12 Jul 2021 at 2:08, W2HX wrote:

> Jim, here is the screenshot.

The govt. contract inspector messed up 
on that one !!



From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul 11 23:38:00 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:38:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
Message-ID: <3b047ee3e58f174ae778faa36a5c426e.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


Is it a typo? It correctly says N/A for frequency and phase.

Harold


> On 12 Jul 2021 at 2:08, W2HX wrote:
>
>> Jim, here is the screenshot.
>
> The govt. contract inspector messed up
> on that one !!
>
>
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 01:12:48 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 01:12:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <58509e8f15273271cf2426e0ce9bdaa3.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>,
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Message-ID: <60EBCF50.13351.AB7FED0@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 11 Jul 2021 at 20:33, Harold Hallikainen wrote:

> Is it a typo? It correctly says N/A for frequency and phase.
> 
> Harold

It's a typo STAMPED INTO the metal ID plate on the unit!!
The unit documentation says 28vDC,  not 208vDC 
but the metal plate on the unit is stamped  208vDC ... 

I wonder how many military ops got the thing delivered 
and hooked up 208vDC to it ....


> > On 12 Jul 2021 at 2:08, W2HX wrote:
> >
> >> Jim, here is the screenshot.
> >
> > The govt. contract inspector messed up
> > on that one !!
> >
> >
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Mon Jul 12 09:17:00 2021
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:17:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype mugs
Message-ID: <d6fb1adbef8f7a21e3115600bd7ef5a4.squirrel@mail.9-5usa.org>





	My stock of the Teletype mugs that were produced a few years ago has
dwindled due to attrition.? The last large mug I had met an untimely
demise this morning after a low-speed impact with the kitchen
floor.? Is there any interest or possibility that more of those
could be made?


	?


	73


	?


	Kevin


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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 12 11:33:04 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:33:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfA9AnG-4jO-L9QfwxRXUBn+Gwaqye7+m_-bx3mqyxLmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfA9AnG-4jO-L9QfwxRXUBn+Gwaqye7+m_-bx3mqyxLmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ebda85e-3508-2154-c3d5-82e9088519fe@earthlink.net>

The more generic term for these 2-hole tape perforators is "Morse 
Perforator."

Charles Wheatstone came up with the idea, in 1858, of perforating tape 
for machine-sent Morse transmissions. But Wheatstone's perforator only 
had three buttons: [dot], [space], & [dash].




You held a mallet in each fist and pounded on the buttons to perforate 
the tape. Later, there was a pneumatic-assisted version that did not 
require as much force, but still a 3-button keyboard.

In 1905, Edward E. Kleinschmidt applied for a patent (#0946372A, granted 
1910) for a keyboard-operated Morse (or any other code) perforator.? In 
1912, he applied for an improved version (#1085985A, granted 1914).? 
About the same time, John Gell, of the New Zealand Telegraph Department, 
came? up with a similar machine.

The Kleinschmidt Electric Co. Keyboard Perforator ( 
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/Kleinschmidt-wheatstone.jpg ) became 
the standard Morse perforator. After KEC merged with Morkrum, they were 
continued to be sold under the Teletype Corp. name through WWII. The 
wooden cased models with the Teletype Corp. label were continued to be 
called "Kleins" by the old Morse operators.

Even calling them "Morse" perforators, is not quite accurate, in that 
they could be programmed to perforate any code, such as Continental or 
Cable codes. At the AWA Museum, we have a wooden-cased, Teletype Corp. 
branded, perforator with a Cyrillic keyboard.? I don't know what code it 
generates.

have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 11-Jul-21 17:19, Nick England wrote:
> Besides teletypes I am fascinated by paper tape Morse code systems -
> Here's a cool photo from 1930 showing the whole setup - Navy Radio 
> Station at Los Banos, Philippines
> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg 
> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg>
> Note the "tape buffer" trash cans.
>
> Right-to-left in the photo
> Transmitting - Tape is punched with a Wheatstone perforator and read 
> with a keying head which keys the transmitter
> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg 
> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg>
> Receiving - tape is pulled through an ink recorder and then pulled 
> past a radioman who reads the Morse "slip" and types on a typewriter.
> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg 
> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg>
>
> FWIW more photos and videos of equipment and operation at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm 
> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm>
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>


From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jul 12 14:09:00 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:09:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <6ebda85e-3508-2154-c3d5-82e9088519fe@earthlink.net>
References: <CAB55hNfA9AnG-4jO-L9QfwxRXUBn+Gwaqye7+m_-bx3mqyxLmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ebda85e-3508-2154-c3d5-82e9088519fe@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48ed2495-7e2c-1948-2609-88e401421968@ix.netcom.com>

 ??? McElroy used to make these perforators. Do you know if they 
were worked with fingers directly or did they also need the 
mallets? I have seen only pictures of them in his advertising. I 
suspect they used some sort of electrical punch. BTW, it seems to 
me that hand punching must be very slow. Since tape transmitters 
could run at very high speeds the keyboard type punch seems to be 
much more practical for any but casual use.

On 7/12/2021 8:33 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> The more generic term for these 2-hole tape perforators is 
> "Morse Perforator."
>
> Charles Wheatstone came up with the idea, in 1858, of 
> perforating tape for machine-sent Morse transmissions. But 
> Wheatstone's perforator only had three buttons: [dot], [space], 
> & [dash].
>
>
>
>
> You held a mallet in each fist and pounded on the buttons to 
> perforate the tape. Later, there was a pneumatic-assisted 
> version that did not require as much force, but still a 
> 3-button keyboard.
>
> In 1905, Edward E. Kleinschmidt applied for a patent 
> (#0946372A, granted 1910) for a keyboard-operated Morse (or any 
> other code) perforator.? In 1912, he applied for an improved 
> version (#1085985A, granted 1914).? About the same time, John 
> Gell, of the New Zealand Telegraph Department, came? up with a 
> similar machine.
>
> The Kleinschmidt Electric Co. Keyboard Perforator ( 
> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/Kleinschmidt-wheatstone.jpg ) 
> became the standard Morse perforator. After KEC merged with 
> Morkrum, they were continued to be sold under the Teletype 
> Corp. name through WWII. The wooden cased models with the 
> Teletype Corp. label were continued to be called "Kleins" by 
> the old Morse operators.
>
> Even calling them "Morse" perforators, is not quite accurate, 
> in that they could be programmed to perforate any code, such as 
> Continental or Cable codes. At the AWA Museum, we have a 
> wooden-cased, Teletype Corp. branded, perforator with a 
> Cyrillic keyboard.? I don't know what code it generates.
>
> have fun,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
> On 11-Jul-21 17:19, Nick England wrote:
>> Besides teletypes I am fascinated by paper tape Morse code 
>> systems -
>> Here's a cool photo from 1930 showing the whole setup - Navy 
>> Radio Station at Los Banos, Philippines
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg 
>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg>
>> Note the "tape buffer" trash cans.
>>
>> Right-to-left in the photo
>> Transmitting - Tape is punched with a Wheatstone perforator 
>> and read with a keying head which keys the transmitter
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg 
>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg>
>> Receiving - tape is pulled through an ink recorder and then 
>> pulled past a radioman who reads the Morse "slip" and types on 
>> a typewriter.
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg 
>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg>
>>
>> FWIW more photos and videos of equipment and operation at
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm 
>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Jul 12 14:26:44 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:26:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
Message-ID: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

I saw a Morse tape reader in an antiques store years ago. It was part of a
code practice system. Should have bought it! Also, the FCC office in San
Francisco had one of these when I took my license exam in 1969.

It's interesting that they used separate areas of the tape for dot and
dash with the same sized hole for each. It seems like it would be a lot
simpler to use variable sized holes (a dot punch and a dash punch) on the
perforator side. The reader would then just pull the tape through at a
constant speed. It would use more tape, but the reader would be a lot
simpler.

Did anyone do something like this?

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jul 12 15:08:36 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:08:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <7946d414-cb43-2542-525d-efe86a548e05@ix.netcom.com>

 ??? The Wheatstone system used one row of holes to start the 
element and another to stop it so it could send either dots or 
dashes depending on the spacing of the holes in each row. Another 
system used tape punched in the actual pattern of the code. This 
is the pattern used in the familiar Instructograph machine and is 
what you describe. I don't know how Instructograph punched their 
tapes or how they duplicated them.
 ?? Its easy to read the Instructograph tapes by eye while I 
think its probably difficult to read the Wheatstone tapes but for 
reading an ink recorder would be used.

On 7/12/2021 11:26 AM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> I saw a Morse tape reader in an antiques store years ago. It was part of a
> code practice system. Should have bought it! Also, the FCC office in San
> Francisco had one of these when I took my license exam in 1969.
>
> It's interesting that they used separate areas of the tape for dot and
> dash with the same sized hole for each. It seems like it would be a lot
> simpler to use variable sized holes (a dot punch and a dash punch) on the
> perforator side. The reader would then just pull the tape through at a
> constant speed. It would use more tape, but the reader would be a lot
> simpler.
>
> Did anyone do something like this?
>
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
>
>
>
>

-- 
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1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 15:17:28 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:17:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>

AFAIK, there were basically three paper tape systems used for training and
code practice.

1) By far the most common commercial system was the Instructograph. It used
dot and dash sized perforations as you suggest. Lots of ham clubs and FCC
examiners had them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YEaXMsmAMj8

2) Second most common for training were the US Army TG-34 units which used
inked tape and a photoelectric reader.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ac4wO06X9s

3) Much rarer for training were US Navy AN/UGH-1 units which read
Wheatstone perforated tape. They were made by the same company as the Army
units.
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/training/ugh1-120301.JPG
McElroy also made a Wheatstone tape reader
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-KDUpvMZfA


For actually sending messages, the Wheatstone system was essentially the
only one in use because you could easily compose tapes from a keyboard
perforator. I don?t know of a keyboard composer for either of the other two
systems.

I suspect inked training tapes were produced by composing on a Wheatstone
system and that tape fed a keyer connected to an ink recorder. I don?t know
how Instructograph tapes were prepared. That company sold sets of training
tapes.

Nick

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 2:27 PM Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:

> I saw a Morse tape reader in an antiques store years ago. It was part of a
> code practice system. Should have bought it! Also, the FCC office in San
> Francisco had one of these when I took my license exam in 1969.
>
> It's interesting that they used separate areas of the tape for dot and
> dash with the same sized hole for each. It seems like it would be a lot
> simpler to use variable sized holes (a dot punch and a dash punch) on the
> perforator side. The reader would then just pull the tape through at a
> constant speed. It would use more tape, but the reader would be a lot
> simpler.
>
> Did anyone do something like this?
>
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Not sent from an iPhone.
>
>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 15:23:31 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:23:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
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If you want to try your hand at reading a Wheatstone tape
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/message-wheatstone-japan.jpg

But of course there was no real reason to do this. On the receiving end,
you?d either listen to audio or read an inked recording.

Cheers
Nick

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:09 PM Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>      The Wheatstone system used one row of holes to start the
> element and another to stop it so it could send either dots or
> dashes depending on the spacing of the holes in each row. Another
> system used tape punched in the actual pattern of the code. This
> is the pattern used in the familiar Instructograph machine and is
> what you describe. I don't know how Instructograph punched their
> tapes or how they duplicated them.
>     Its easy to read the Instructograph tapes by eye while I
> think its probably difficult to read the Wheatstone tapes but for
> reading an ink recorder would be used.
>
> On 7/12/2021 11:26 AM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> > I saw a Morse tape reader in an antiques store years ago. It was part of
> a
> > code practice system. Should have bought it! Also, the FCC office in San
> > Francisco had one of these when I took my license exam in 1969.
> >
> > It's interesting that they used separate areas of the tape for dot and
> > dash with the same sized hole for each. It seems like it would be a lot
> > simpler to use variable sized holes (a dot punch and a dash punch) on the
> > perforator side. The reader would then just pull the tape through at a
> > constant speed. It would use more tape, but the reader would be a lot
> > simpler.
> >
> > Did anyone do something like this?
> >
> > Harold
> > https://w6iwi.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard Knoppow
> 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
> WB6KBL
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Jul 12 15:35:50 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:35:50 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
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	<7946d414-cb43-2542-525d-efe86a548e05@ix.netcom.com>
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So, the Instructograph just had longer dash holes while commercial CW tape
perforators and readers used one hole position to start the symbol and
another to stop it.

I thought it was one position for dit and the other for dah. It allows for
the same size hole to be used for everything. I was thinking along the
lines of a player piano where the length of the hole determines how long
the key is down.

I did a little work on a Bunnell pen recorder. This could be used to copy
Morse, though I think the recorders used on radio circuits were more like
chart recorders where the vertical displacement of the line indicated
signal strength, and the horizontal displacement was time. I think this
made it more readable through fades than a simple threshold and on/off
marking of the tape would get.

It's interesting that the FCC distinguishes CW from data communications in
part 97. Though there is a symbol rate limit for data communications, I do
not see a speed limit for CW. It would be fun to try running CW at 400
wpm.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org
Autostart on 14.086 MHz LSB



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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 17:20:14 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:20:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <8aaccc79a50fff43dd2416548e3c4db8.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>,
	<CAB55hNcJLk60xdKNWP5pmvgYaufYskh0P0kpng1NqraWpfaG0w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8aaccc79a50fff43dd2416548e3c4db8.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <60ECB20E.23016.E2DB3DE@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 12 Jul 2021 at 12:35, Harold Hallikainen wrote:

> I thought it was one position for
> dit and the other for dah. It allows
> for the same size hole to be used for
> everything. I was thinking along the
> lines of a player piano where the
> length of the hole determines how long
> the key is down. 

The keyboard perfs for prepping morse traffic 
tapes used a narrow paper tape with tiny feed 
holes down the center.  The same size hole is 
punched on the upper track as on the lower track. 

     o      o   
.................................................
     o             o

The first, with the two holes vertically aligned, is a dot; 
The second, with the two holes offset, is a dash ...  the 
top hole keys the 'key' or relay ON, it stays on until the 
lower hole turns it off. 

The tape reader and keyer by Boehme is a monstrously 
heavy unit, with a motor turning a round 'container' about 
an inch or so thick and diameter of about six inches (as I 
recall) and the shaft continuing on to the reader head.  
The 'container' ... I'm told...  was filled with mercury !! 
I guess you could call it an 'inertia wheel' ... as once the 
unit came up to speed, any small variation was smoothed 
out by the mass of the mercury spinning around. 

The reader head was not much different from what we 
know as the Teletype tape readers, except it had only the 
two pins and the sprocket drive wheel ...  the pins would 
come up, just like the do in the M-14 TD or the M-28 LXD 
and if there was no hole in the tape they got blocked and 
if there was a hole the pin continued up to close the 
contact. 

> I did a little work on a Bunnell pen
> recorder. This could be used to copy
> Morse, though I think the recorders
> used on radio circuits were more like
> chart recorders where the vertical
> displacement of the line indicated
> signal strength, and the horizontal
> displacement was time. I think this
> made it more readable through fades
> than a simple threshold and on/off
> marking of the tape would get. 

The morse receiving unit, widely used on the 
undersea cable channels when they were still 
used, was an even bigger monster ... especially 
weight wise.   Most of it was a BIG round roll, 
as I recall about 8 inches in diameter and maybe 
6 inches thick, wound with teeeeeny, tiny wire; 
so it's basically a very, very sensitive 'selector 
magnet' !!    This was needed because by the time 
the mark current got from one continent to the 
next, there was not much there ...  

As an aside, a while after I went to work in the 
M28 Lease area of ITT Worldcom in downtown NYC, 
I discovered that they still had the morse cable 
traffic circuit running to Havana ...  one day I went 
exploring and because I worked there they let me 
into the receiving room ...  the incoming channel was 
a very long narrow 'table' with the tape unwinder, 
the receiving coil and pen, and a tape winder to take 
up the penned tape.  An operator could sit there and 
read the tape as it came past, if they were very very 
good!, or the tape was taken somewhere for transcribing. 

I was told that when the cable was working well, they 
could run about 300 or 400 wpm continuously. 

At one time I had all the parts to such a system ... 
the keyboard perf, the Boehme base and reader head, 
and the receiving coil and pen recorder.  Some were sold 
off years ago; I know I still have two of the Boehme motor 
bases but I can't find the tape reader head for either of 
them; and I think the only coil I have now has the pen part 
badly damaged ...  as you might surmise, the pen part was 
VERY delicate. 

> It's interesting that the FCC
> distinguishes CW from data
> communications in part 97. Though
> there is a symbol rate limit for
> data communications, I do not see a
> speed limit for CW. It would be fun
> to try running CW at 400 wpm. 

I've heard that some of the hot-shots have done that, 
but probably with electronic keyers.  As noted above, 
it was not unusual to run the cable channel at those 
speeds when conditions were good.  

Jim  w2jc 




From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Jul 12 18:01:40 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:01:40 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <60ECB20E.23016.E2DB3DE@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>,
	<CAB55hNcJLk60xdKNWP5pmvgYaufYskh0P0kpng1NqraWpfaG0w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8aaccc79a50fff43dd2416548e3c4db8.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<60ECB20E.23016.E2DB3DE@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
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>> It's interesting that the FCC
>> distinguishes CW from data
>> communications in part 97. Though
>> there is a symbol rate limit for
>> data communications, I do not see a
>> speed limit for CW. It would be fun
>> to try running CW at 400 wpm.
>
> I've heard that some of the hot-shots have done that,
> but probably with electronic keyers.  As noted above,
> it was not unusual to run the cable channel at those
> speeds when conditions were good.
>
> Jim  w2jc

It would be fun to do high speed CW on amateur radio using either the old
mechanical equipment or a computer.

Years ago I needed to design a CW ID system for a telemetry system that
could work over radio circuits (FCC part 74 P channels). The ID was saved
in ASCII. The ASCII to Morse conversion was a table lookup. The ASCII bias
for numbers followed by punctuation then letters was subtracted out so a
zero gave an index value of 0. This indexed into an array of bytes where
the 5 lsb of each byte was Morse with 0 being dit and 1 being dah. The 3
most significant bits told the system how many of the lower bits to use
(such as 1 for E or T and 5 for numbers). This was all done in MC6800
assembly language.

Fun stuff!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 12 18:09:51 2021
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 22:09:51 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>,
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR03MB39973E01E10C88B266990BF4AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

 Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the old days ???
..... something similar like a teletype machine?

The other Nick  -  N0NCQ



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Date: 7/12/21 3:19 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: harold at w6iwi.org
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930

AFAIK, there were basically three paper tape systems used for training and code practice.

1) By far the most common commercial system was the Instructograph. It used dot and dash sized perforations as you suggest. Lots of ham clubs and FCC examiners had them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YEaXMsmAMj8

2) Second most common for training were the US Army TG-34 units which used inked tape and a photoelectric reader.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ac4wO06X9s

3) Much rarer for training were US Navy AN/UGH-1 units which read Wheatstone perforated tape. They were made by the same company as the Army units.
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/training/ugh1-120301.JPG
McElroy also made a Wheatstone tape reader
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-KDUpvMZfA


For actually sending messages, the Wheatstone system was essentially the only one in use because you could easily compose tapes from a keyboard perforator. I don?t know of a keyboard composer for either of the other two systems.

I suspect inked training tapes were produced by composing on a Wheatstone system and that tape fed a keyer connected to an ink recorder. I don?t know how Instructograph tapes were prepared. That company sold sets of training tapes.

Nick

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 2:27 PM Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org<mailto:harold at w6iwi.org>> wrote:
I saw a Morse tape reader in an antiques store years ago. It was part of a
code practice system. Should have bought it! Also, the FCC office in San
Francisco had one of these when I took my license exam in 1969.

It's interesting that they used separate areas of the tape for dot and
dash with the same sized hole for each. It seems like it would be a lot
simpler to use variable sized holes (a dot punch and a dash punch) on the
perforator side. The reader would then just pull the tape through at a
constant speed. It would use more tape, but the reader would be a lot
simpler.

Did anyone do something like this?

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From harold at mai.hallikainen.org  Sun Jul 11 23:33:44 2021
From: harold at mai.hallikainen.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:33:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] miltope TT-768/TYC-39, 208VDC?
In-Reply-To: <60EBA814.31181.A1EBDB8@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <2a4fb6966b404b46803e7de56ed6cd15@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>,
	<60E9B364.472.27AED47@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>,
	<3b9731e0bb4b4928b2976af1363a2162@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
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Is it a typo? It correctly says N/A for frequency and phase.

Harold


> On 12 Jul 2021 at 2:08, W2HX wrote:
>
>> Jim, here is the screenshot.
>
> The govt. contract inspector messed up
> on that one !!
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 12 14:25:01 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:25:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <48ed2495-7e2c-1948-2609-88e401421968@ix.netcom.com>
References: <CAB55hNfA9AnG-4jO-L9QfwxRXUBn+Gwaqye7+m_-bx3mqyxLmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ebda85e-3508-2154-c3d5-82e9088519fe@earthlink.net>
	<48ed2495-7e2c-1948-2609-88e401421968@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <bb6145f3-6b0d-4468-233b-0cc61c76eb96@earthlink.net>

Richard,

McElroy made a "Morse Package Unit, MP-1" that was a perforator, 
receiver, keyer all in one one portable box. The perforator was a 
two-finger operation, probably with electrical assist.

Here are a couple of pictures.? I've sent them & some more to Nick to 
add to his Morse Perforator page.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 12-Jul-21 14:09, Richard Knoppow wrote:
> McElroy used to make these perforators. Do you know if they were 
> worked with fingers directly or did they also need the mallets? I have 
> seen only pictures of them in his advertising. I suspect they used 
> some sort of electrical punch. BTW, it seems to me that hand punching 
> must be very slow. Since tape transmitters could run at very high 
> speeds the keyboard type punch seems to be much more practical for any 
> but casual use.
>
> On 7/12/2021 8:33 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> The more generic term for these 2-hole tape perforators is "Morse 
>> Perforator."
>>
>> Charles Wheatstone came up with the idea, in 1858, of perforating 
>> tape for machine-sent Morse transmissions. But Wheatstone's 
>> perforator only had three buttons: [dot], [space], & [dash].
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You held a mallet in each fist and pounded on the buttons to 
>> perforate the tape. Later, there was a pneumatic-assisted version 
>> that did not require as much force, but still a 3-button keyboard.
>>
>> In 1905, Edward E. Kleinschmidt applied for a patent (#0946372A, 
>> granted 1910) for a keyboard-operated Morse (or any other code) 
>> perforator.? In 1912, he applied for an improved version (#1085985A, 
>> granted 1914).? About the same time, John Gell, of the New Zealand 
>> Telegraph Department, came? up with a similar machine.
>>
>> The Kleinschmidt Electric Co. Keyboard Perforator ( 
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/Kleinschmidt-wheatstone.jpg ) became 
>> the standard Morse perforator. After KEC merged with Morkrum, they 
>> were continued to be sold under the Teletype Corp. name through WWII. 
>> The wooden cased models with the Teletype Corp. label were continued 
>> to be called "Kleins" by the old Morse operators.
>>
>> Even calling them "Morse" perforators, is not quite accurate, in that 
>> they could be programmed to perforate any code, such as Continental 
>> or Cable codes. At the AWA Museum, we have a wooden-cased, Teletype 
>> Corp. branded, perforator with a Cyrillic keyboard.? I don't know 
>> what code it generates.
>>
>> have fun,
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>>
>> On 11-Jul-21 17:19, Nick England wrote:
>>> Besides teletypes I am fascinated by paper tape Morse code systems -
>>> Here's a cool photo from 1930 showing the whole setup - Navy Radio 
>>> Station at Los Banos, Philippines
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg 
>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg>
>>> Note the "tape buffer" trash cans.
>>>
>>> Right-to-left in the photo
>>> Transmitting - Tape is punched with a Wheatstone perforator and read 
>>> with a keying head which keys the transmitter
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg 
>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg>
>>> Receiving - tape is pulled through an ink recorder and then pulled 
>>> past a radioman who reads the Morse "slip" and types on a typewriter.
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg 
>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg>
>>>
>>> FWIW more photos and videos of equipment and operation at
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm 
>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>>
>>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 18:59:01 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:59:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdFa-gf83WxDu=_HjWbBapjBZ3OmyYRODNjFLGVZoerpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR03MB39974F539BCBB1E30B7430F7AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAB55hNdFa-gf83WxDu=_HjWbBapjBZ3OmyYRODNjFLGVZoerpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdTAmikLvYDs=i4DVPWduvtAVpkXAaUisLqWd_LiQMmpw@mail.gmail.com>

The earliest Morse to Baudot decoder I know of is the AN/UGA-3
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/uga3-ad-6612.jpg
Early 1960s. Supposedly used aboard some submarines.
Video at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatJdiw-YMI


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 6:07 PM Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the old days ???
> ..... something similar like a teletype machine?
>
> The other Nick  -  N0NCQ
>
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From pbirkel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 12:48:10 2021
From: pbirkel at gmail.com (Paul Birkel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:48:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 43 with paper tape reader/punch side
	unit available
Message-ID: <092601d77806$dd6d3e60$9847bb20$@gmail.com>

Forwarding:

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:30 AM

I have a Teletype Model 43 with paper tape reader/punch side unit. It is available and located in NW
Indiana if anyone is interested.

--tom

Tom Uban <tom at figureeightbrewing.com>

-----


From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Jul 13 13:20:56 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 10:20:56 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
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References: <CAB55hNfA9AnG-4jO-L9QfwxRXUBn+Gwaqye7+m_-bx3mqyxLmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ebda85e-3508-2154-c3d5-82e9088519fe@earthlink.net>
	<48ed2495-7e2c-1948-2609-88e401421968@ix.netcom.com>
	<bb6145f3-6b0d-4468-233b-0cc61c76eb96@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <24de0482-c0de-f475-9cf4-8df5ec881769@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? FWIW, about what drove the pen recorders, the radio set up 
used a regenerator to produce a perfectly steady tone from the 
received code. Look at the handbook for the RCA DR-89 diversity 
receiver to see the regenerator and its circuit. I think Nick has 
this on his Navy web site. The DR-89 was composed of three 
modified RCA AR-88 receivers with a diversity combiner and a code 
regenerator along with monitoring. The output of the combiner 
drove the regenerator which produced the output of the unit. The 
DR-89 was? used on circuits with code speeds up to about 300 WPM.
 ?? I believe the final result was an ink tape showing dots and 
dashes which was transcribed via a typewriter. Fast tapes could 
be cut apart allowing more than one operator to translate them. 
The usual requirement for a typist in business was 60WPM minimum. 
I don't know what the actual speeds achieved on short wave 
circuits was but these triple diversity circuits would have 
mostly been very solid and high speed. Somewhere McElroy was 
quoted as saying the long wave circuits RCA had were "solid as a 
wire".

On 7/12/2021 11:25 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Richard,
>
> McElroy made a "Morse Package Unit, MP-1" that was a 
> perforator, receiver, keyer all in one one portable box. The 
> perforator was a two-finger operation, probably with electrical 
> assist.
>
> Here are a couple of pictures.? I've sent them & some more to 
> Nick to add to his Morse Perforator page.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
> On 12-Jul-21 14:09, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>> McElroy used to make these perforators. Do you know if they 
>> were worked with fingers directly or did they also need the 
>> mallets? I have seen only pictures of them in his advertising. 
>> I suspect they used some sort of electrical punch. BTW, it 
>> seems to me that hand punching must be very slow. Since tape 
>> transmitters could run at very high speeds the keyboard type 
>> punch seems to be much more practical for any but casual use.
>>
>> On 7/12/2021 8:33 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>> The more generic term for these 2-hole tape perforators is 
>>> "Morse Perforator."
>>>
>>> Charles Wheatstone came up with the idea, in 1858, of 
>>> perforating tape for machine-sent Morse transmissions. But 
>>> Wheatstone's perforator only had three buttons: [dot], 
>>> [space], & [dash].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You held a mallet in each fist and pounded on the buttons to 
>>> perforate the tape. Later, there was a pneumatic-assisted 
>>> version that did not require as much force, but still a 
>>> 3-button keyboard.
>>>
>>> In 1905, Edward E. Kleinschmidt applied for a patent 
>>> (#0946372A, granted 1910) for a keyboard-operated Morse (or 
>>> any other code) perforator.? In 1912, he applied for an 
>>> improved version (#1085985A, granted 1914).? About the same 
>>> time, John Gell, of the New Zealand Telegraph Department, 
>>> came? up with a similar machine.
>>>
>>> The Kleinschmidt Electric Co. Keyboard Perforator ( 
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/Kleinschmidt-wheatstone.jpg 
>>> ) became the standard Morse perforator. After KEC merged with 
>>> Morkrum, they were continued to be sold under the Teletype 
>>> Corp. name through WWII. The wooden cased models with the 
>>> Teletype Corp. label were continued to be called "Kleins" by 
>>> the old Morse operators.
>>>
>>> Even calling them "Morse" perforators, is not quite accurate, 
>>> in that they could be programmed to perforate any code, such 
>>> as Continental or Cable codes. At the AWA Museum, we have a 
>>> wooden-cased, Teletype Corp. branded, perforator with a 
>>> Cyrillic keyboard.? I don't know what code it generates.
>>>
>>> have fun,
>>>
>>> Duncan
>>> K2OEQ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11-Jul-21 17:19, Nick England wrote:
>>>> Besides teletypes I am fascinated by paper tape Morse code 
>>>> systems -
>>>> Here's a cool photo from 1930 showing the whole setup - Navy 
>>>> Radio Station at Los Banos, Philippines
>>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg 
>>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/LosBanos-07-morse.jpg>
>>>> Note the "tape buffer" trash cans.
>>>>
>>>> Right-to-left in the photo
>>>> Transmitting - Tape is punched with a Wheatstone perforator 
>>>> and read with a keying head which keys the transmitter
>>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg 
>>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-02.jpg>
>>>> Receiving - tape is pulled through an ink recorder and then 
>>>> pulled past a radioman who reads the Morse "slip" and types 
>>>> on a typewriter.
>>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg 
>>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse/boehme-tm11-486-01.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> FWIW more photos and videos of equipment and operation at
>>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm 
>>>> <https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
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From thehermitagefarm at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 23:15:06 2021
From: thehermitagefarm at yahoo.com (larry wood)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 03:15:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for TTY Signal Source
References: <1308354371.15468.1626232506495.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1308354371.15468.1626232506495@mail.yahoo.com>

I have recently obtained my Model 28 KSR unit and appears to be working.? Without a signal/circuit to connect to, it runs open.? I've heard there may be devices that connect BT/WiFi or USB to an APP that coverts signal the baudot.? Text me back at 5406601918.? Thank you for any assistance.

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Jul 14 10:25:36 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:25:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for TTY Signal Source
In-Reply-To: <1308354371.15468.1626232506495@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <605f0a1b-92d1-1558-f0e4-3cf559c082ee@tapr.org>

Hi Larry,
There is a device USB<>TTY.
https://www.heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype
2 or 3 batches of them have been made, but I don't know of any loose 
ones available.

Have you been able to test keyboard to printer?

You'll need a 60 mA (or perhaps 20 mA) loop to interface with the 
USB-TTY device if you don't already have one.

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The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/13/2021 10:15 PM, larry wood via GreenKeys wrote:
> I have recently obtained my Model 28 KSR unit and appears to be 
> working.? Without a signal/circuit to connect to, it runs open.? I've 
> heard there may be devices that connect BT/WiFi or USB to an APP that 
> coverts signal the baudot.? Text me back at 5406601918.? Thank you for 
> any assistance.
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 14 22:45:41 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 21:45:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for TTY Signal Source
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Well what I use is kinda funky, but...

There is an old IBM PC program out on the web named RTTY12G.  I have an 
old laptop computer with a COM port and a floppy drive (can also take a 
CDROM drive)  So I format a floppy to include the system files and that 
gives me a bare-bones DOS system.  I put the RTTY12G binary on the floppy 
and run it and it turns the PC into a "glass Baudot Teletype" with RS-232 
COM port.  Then these days you can use a solid state relay IC or a
suitable transistor to key the 60MA loop with the signal from the COM
port.  Solid state relay is preferable since it is opto-isolated.
I've also written the program to a CD ROM but the disadvantage to that
is that you have to write to the ROM at the same time any files you
might want to send.  Either way I've got a highly portable test set
for my machines.

Jim W6JVE

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From donc at martineer.net  Wed Jul 14 23:44:01 2021
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningam)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 22:44:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for TTY Signal Source
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107142135310.3030@Frances>
References: <1308354371.15468.1626232506495.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <07564433-9fae-b588-e4df-a5200b36e8be@martineer.net>

Jim

Thanks for that info.? I have been looking for at least the manual for 
Glen Wellman's program, RTTY 1.2G that I have used since 1986!! I can 
remember how to do the basic things, but some of the details have 
escaped my old mind.? This is an excellent RTTY program for "glass RTTY" 
as you said.? I keep one old DOS desktop and a "gaming" computer I found 
several years ago on Ebay that has Windows 95 and a partition for MSDOS 
latest version 6.xx.? I can make DOS 3.5" diskettes of this program or 
HAL's DSRTTY, which is another fine DOS RTTY program.? I never thought 
it transferred to Window, even the early versions very well, but if 
anyone has a DOS system running and would like some of this, I would 
share.? When I can find someone to "chat", not contest, I still get on 
RTTY with one of these systems and my old HAL RTTY converters.

I guess when I find a model 28 with my name on it again, I'll have a 
test set, HI.
73,
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/14/2021 9:45 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> Well what I use is kinda funky, but...
>
> There is an old IBM PC program out on the web named RTTY12G.? I have 
> an old laptop computer with a COM port and a floppy drive (can also 
> take a CDROM drive)? So I format a floppy to include the system files 
> and that gives me a bare-bones DOS system.? I put the RTTY12G binary 
> on the floppy and run it and it turns the PC into a "glass Baudot 
> Teletype" with RS-232 COM port.? Then these days you can use a solid 
> state relay IC or a
> suitable transistor to key the 60MA loop with the signal from the COM
> port.? Solid state relay is preferable since it is opto-isolated.
> I've also written the program to a CD ROM but the disadvantage to that
> is that you have to write to the ROM at the same time any files you
> might want to send.? Either way I've got a highly portable test set
> for my machines.
>
> Jim W6JVE
>
> ????---
>
> ????"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
> ????"No it ain't! No it ain't!? But ya gotta know the territory."
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul 14 23:51:44 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 20:51:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for TTY Signal Source
In-Reply-To: <07564433-9fae-b588-e4df-a5200b36e8be@martineer.net>
References: <1308354371.15468.1626232506495.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <274a8ec9ea09ceb9441865d88ac2ea8a.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

To bring things up here, I did the following (with 15KSR)

1. Make a 60 mA local loop with keyboard and selector magnets. Try typing.
If it works, great!

2. Ad 14 TD to the loop and try again.

3. Add 14 typing reperf to loop and try again.

4. Move everything the TU-170 loop and feed it ITTY.

5. Tune up TU-170 and put it on the air!

Harold
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From pnholtham at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jul 15 06:14:25 2021
From: pnholtham at optusnet.com.au (Peter Holtham)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:14:25 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
Message-ID: <39EE88CA-3DEF-450D-A3A3-D162764593D0@optusnet.com.au>

Hello,

This is my first post to the list, I have been active on rtty via MMTTY for sometime and have finally now acquired some real hardware.

An estate sale locally turned up a Kleinschmidt TT-4C/TG for A$50, one of five once owned by an ex Telecom Australia employee. The other four went to re-enactors & museums. There was mountain of other scrap tty gear and other ham radio stuff, plus apparently 2.5 tons (!) of teletype paper that went to the dump before I got there.

The TT-4 is in aboslutely immaculate condition, and as far as I can see, has had next to no use at all. When I popped off the immersion cover the smell of the fungicide nearly knocked me out. A plate fastened inside stated it was supplied by Amalgamated Wireless Australia (AWA) to the Australian Army, in 1976.

I quickly built up a loop supply and a terminal unit (from the design by Eric Volpe using a 2211 chip) and hooked everything up to ITTY. After a bit of fiddling around (adjusting the motor speed using the tuning fork etc) I started getting perfect copy.

So now a question. I have downloaded the relevant technical manuals for the TT-4/C including the service manual TM-11-5815-206-34. Unfortunately all the photos/diagrams are unreadable, completely black at worst or with the numbers of the lubrication points visible but not the points themselves at best. Does anyone have readable scans they could please provide me with?

I would like to check all the lubrication if possible before I use the TT-4 too much. Thanks very much.

Also a big thank you to the provider(s) of ITTY for providing me something to demonstrate the machine with.

I attach a photo of the TT-4 as received standing on the floor of my garage. All the tapes were still tied around the keys and all the variious keyboard and platten locks were in place as described in the user manual. The power cord was still wrapped in brown paper. The spare gears for 100 wpm were all in place, as well as the spare fuses and the tuning fork.

regards

Peter VK4COZ in Brisbane, Queensland

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From pbirkel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 06:30:36 2021
From: pbirkel at gmail.com (Paul Birkel)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:30:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Vintage punched paper tape reel
Message-ID: <0ba501d77964$73351c70$599f5550$@gmail.com>

Not what you'd expect from the title.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194234709178

 

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From jfoust at threedee.com  Thu Jul 15 08:28:31 2021
From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:28:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Vintage punched paper tape reel
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References: <0ba501d77964$73351c70$599f5550$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1626352180.3284.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

At 05:30 AM 7/15/2021, Paul Birkel wrote:
>Not what you?d expect from the title.
><https://www.ebay.com/itm/194234709178>https://www.ebay.com/itm/194234709178

I'll bite - what was it from?

- John


From til128 at juno.com  Thu Jul 15 08:47:27 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:47:27 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
Message-ID: <20210715.084727.9087.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

Hello Peter:

What a great save

Please note: message attached

From: Peter Holtham <pnholtham at optusnet.com.au>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:14:25 +1000



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Hello,

This is my first post to the list, I have been active on rtty via MMTTY for sometime and have finally now acquired some real hardware.

An estate sale locally turned up a Kleinschmidt TT-4C/TG for A$50, one of five once owned by an ex Telecom Australia employee. The other four went to re-enactors & museums. There was mountain of other scrap tty gear and other ham radio stuff, plus apparently 2.5 tons (!) of teletype paper that went to the dump before I got there.

The TT-4 is in aboslutely immaculate condition, and as far as I can see, has had next to no use at all. When I popped off the immersion cover the smell of the fungicide nearly knocked me out. A plate fastened inside stated it was supplied by Amalgamated Wireless Australia (AWA) to the Australian Army, in 1976.

I quickly built up a loop supply and a terminal unit (from the design by Eric Volpe using a 2211 chip) and hooked everything up to ITTY. After a bit of fiddling around (adjusting the motor speed using the tuning fork etc) I started getting perfect copy.

So now a question. I have downloaded the relevant technical manuals for the TT-4/C including the service manual TM-11-5815-206-34. Unfortunately all the photos/diagrams are unreadable, completely black at worst or with the numbers of the lubrication points visible but not the points themselves at best. Does anyone have readable scans they could please provide me with?

I would like to check all the lubrication if possible before I use the TT-4 too much. Thanks very much.

Also a big thank you to the provider(s) of ITTY for providing me something to demonstrate the machine with.

I attach a photo of the TT-4 as received standing on the floor of my garage. All the tapes were still tied around the keys and all the variious keyboard and platten locks were in place as described in the user manual. The power cord was still wrapped in brown paper. The spare gears for 100 wpm were all in place, as well as the spare fuses and the tuning fork.

regards

Peter VK4COZ in Brisbane, Queensland

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From til128 at juno.com  Thu Jul 15 08:50:53 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:50:53 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
Message-ID: <20210715.085053.9087.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

Hello Peter:

What a great save!

I am sure others will steer you in the right direction for manuals for the machine.

Thank you for the kind words RE: ITTY.

Tom WB2TTY
ITTY chief cook and bottle washer.  :-)

Please note: message attached

From: Peter Holtham <pnholtham at optusnet.com.au>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:14:25 +1000



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Hello,

This is my first post to the list, I have been active on rtty via MMTTY for sometime and have finally now acquired some real hardware.

An estate sale locally turned up a Kleinschmidt TT-4C/TG for A$50, one of five once owned by an ex Telecom Australia employee. The other four went to re-enactors & museums. There was mountain of other scrap tty gear and other ham radio stuff, plus apparently 2.5 tons (!) of teletype paper that went to the dump before I got there.

The TT-4 is in aboslutely immaculate condition, and as far as I can see, has had next to no use at all. When I popped off the immersion cover the smell of the fungicide nearly knocked me out. A plate fastened inside stated it was supplied by Amalgamated Wireless Australia (AWA) to the Australian Army, in 1976.

I quickly built up a loop supply and a terminal unit (from the design by Eric Volpe using a 2211 chip) and hooked everything up to ITTY. After a bit of fiddling around (adjusting the motor speed using the tuning fork etc) I started getting perfect copy.

So now a question. I have downloaded the relevant technical manuals for the TT-4/C including the service manual TM-11-5815-206-34. Unfortunately all the photos/diagrams are unreadable, completely black at worst or with the numbers of the lubrication points visible but not the points themselves at best. Does anyone have readable scans they could please provide me with?

I would like to check all the lubrication if possible before I use the TT-4 too much. Thanks very much.

Also a big thank you to the provider(s) of ITTY for providing me something to demonstrate the machine with.

I attach a photo of the TT-4 as received standing on the floor of my garage. All the tapes were still tied around the keys and all the variious keyboard and platten locks were in place as described in the user manual. The power cord was still wrapped in brown paper. The spare gears for 100 wpm were all in place, as well as the spare fuses and the tuning fork.

regards

Peter VK4COZ in Brisbane, Queensland

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 15 09:00:10 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:00:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
In-Reply-To: <39EE88CA-3DEF-450D-A3A3-D162764593D0@optusnet.com.au>
References: <39EE88CA-3DEF-450D-A3A3-D162764593D0@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0c790479-89fa-2c0d-de2a-1fb685d11eaf@earthlink.net>

Peter,

A great find! I have always liked the TT-4, It's a basic unit and 
(relatively) easy to work on. I spent my year in Viet Nam working on them.

The main lubrication points are to oil the felt washers in the clutches 
and grease the gears.

A better scan of TM 11-5815-206-35 can be found at Google Books. But 
they did not bother to unfold the fold-out pages!? So you will need both 
scans.

Have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA??? 31J30

Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
 ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
(also chief TTY op & repairman)

www.antiquewireless.org

On 15-Jul-21 06:14, Peter Holtham wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is my first post to the list, I have been active on rtty via 
> MMTTY for sometime and have finally now acquired some real hardware.
>
> An estate sale locally turned up a Kleinschmidt TT-4C/TG for A$50, one 
> of five once owned by an ex Telecom Australia employee. The other four 
> went to re-enactors & museums. There was mountain of other scrap tty 
> gear and other ham radio stuff, plus apparently 2.5 tons (!) of 
> teletype paper that went to the dump before I got there.
>
> The TT-4 is in aboslutely immaculate condition, and as far as I can 
> see, has had next to no use at all. When I popped off the immersion 
> cover the smell of the fungicide nearly knocked me out. A plate 
> fastened inside stated it was supplied by Amalgamated Wireless 
> Australia (AWA) to the Australian Army, in 1976.
>
> I quickly built up a loop supply and a terminal unit (from the design 
> by Eric Volpe using a 2211 chip) and hooked everything up to ITTY. 
> After a bit of fiddling around (adjusting the motor speed using the 
> tuning fork etc) I started getting perfect copy.
>
> So now a question. I have downloaded the relevant technical manuals 
> for the TT-4/C including the service manual TM-11-5815-206-34. 
> Unfortunately all the photos/diagrams are unreadable, completely black 
> at worst or with the numbers of the lubrication points visible but not 
> the points themselves at best. Does anyone have readable scans they 
> could please provide me with?
>
> I would like to check all the lubrication if possible before I use the 
> TT-4 too much. Thanks very much.
>
> Also a big thank you to the provider(s) of ITTY for providing me 
> something to demonstrate the machine with.
>
> I attach a photo of the TT-4 as received standing on the floor of my 
> garage. All the tapes were still tied around the keys and all the 
> variious keyboard and platten locks were in place as described in the 
> user manual. The power cord was still?wrapped in brown paper. The 
> spare gears for 100 wpm were all in place, as well as the spare fuses 
> and the tuning fork.
>
> regards
>
> Peter VK4COZ in Brisbane, Queensland
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 15 09:05:37 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:05:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Vintage punched paper tape reel
In-Reply-To: <20210715122947.E94EF149A63B@mail.qsl.net>
References: <0ba501d77964$73351c70$599f5550$@gmail.com>
	<20210715122947.E94EF149A63B@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <c110e51d-7737-7c53-50a5-dde9ff9284b8@earthlink.net>

The tape is for the Wheatstone Morse code system, but it is wound on a 
"modern" plastic film (or magnetic recording tape) reel.

Duncan

K2OEQ


On 15-Jul-21 08:28, John Foust via GreenKeys wrote:
> At 05:30 AM 7/15/2021, Paul Birkel wrote:
>> Not what you?d expect from the title.
>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/194234709178>https://www.ebay.com/itm/194234709178
> I'll bite - what was it from?
>
> - John
>
>
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 13:48:28 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:48:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C
In-Reply-To: <39EE88CA-3DEF-450D-A3A3-D162764593D0@optusnet.com.au>
References: <39EE88CA-3DEF-450D-A3A3-D162764593D0@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <082b01d779a1$9f1b48e0$dd51daa0$@gmail.com>

Peter,

 

Whatever you do, do NOT discard the two ribbon spools.  Those spools are
just about unobtainium, so you'll need to wind a new ribbon on those spools
as each ribbon gets worn out.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of Peter Holtham
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:14 AM
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kleinschmidt TT-4C

 

Hello,

 

This is my first post to the list, I have been active on rtty via MMTTY for
sometime and have finally now acquired some real hardware.

 

An estate sale locally turned up a Kleinschmidt TT-4C/TG for A$50, one of
five once owned by an ex Telecom Australia employee. The other four went to
re-enactors & museums. There was mountain of other scrap tty gear and other
ham radio stuff, plus apparently 2.5 tons (!) of teletype paper that went to
the dump before I got there.

 

The TT-4 is in aboslutely immaculate condition, and as far as I can see, has
had next to no use at all. When I popped off the immersion cover the smell
of the fungicide nearly knocked me out. A plate fastened inside stated it
was supplied by Amalgamated Wireless Australia (AWA) to the Australian Army,
in 1976.

 

I quickly built up a loop supply and a terminal unit (from the design by
Eric Volpe using a 2211 chip) and hooked everything up to ITTY. After a bit
of fiddling around (adjusting the motor speed using the tuning fork etc) I
started getting perfect copy.

 

So now a question. I have downloaded the relevant technical manuals for the
TT-4/C including the service manual TM-11-5815-206-34. Unfortunately all the
photos/diagrams are unreadable, completely black at worst or with the
numbers of the lubrication points visible but not the points themselves at
best. Does anyone have readable scans they could please provide me with?

 

I would like to check all the lubrication if possible before I use the TT-4
too much. Thanks very much.

 

Also a big thank you to the provider(s) of ITTY for providing me something
to demonstrate the machine with.

 

I attach a photo of the TT-4 as received standing on the floor of my garage.
All the tapes were still tied around the keys and all the variious keyboard
and platten locks were in place as described in the user manual. The power
cord was still wrapped in brown paper. The spare gears for 100 wpm were all
in place, as well as the spare fuses and the tuning fork.

 

regards

 

Peter VK4COZ in Brisbane, Queensland

 



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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Fri Jul 16 22:04:26 2021
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 21:04:26 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] New Acquisitions, HAL Equipment
Message-ID: <2211bd76-2928-fee0-2031-58b23dd9f0fb@austin.rr.com>

 ??? Just picked up a couple new items.??? Looking for info on the one, 
and other one came with all the? original manuals and all documents from 
the original and second owner.? Need some info on a HAL Computer RTTY 
Interface, model CRI-100.?? Any info anybody has on the CRI-100, would 
be appreciated.??? The other is a HAL Telereader? CWR-6850.? Powers up 
but is erratic on the display, Opened it up and found a loose connection 
and a blown cap.? Have all new caps on order so plan on re-caping it 
Monday or Tuesday once they come in.? Both items worked last time they 
were used, but? had been a while according to W5GW, last owner.?? 
Looking forward to seeing how this unit performs.? Still have to get my 
28KSR working properly on the T-D, the rest of it is good, and then have 
the 28ASR I picked up about a month ago that needs to be cleaned really 
good.

John

KG5YLG


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From pnholtham at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jul 17 05:25:51 2021
From: pnholtham at optusnet.com.au (Peter Holtham)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 19:25:51 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-4C
Message-ID: <0F54BF0D-D7B2-4DBD-A1F1-E510EEB2B025@optusnet.com.au>

Thankyou to everyone who responded to my request for the Kleinschmidt TT-4/C lubrication diagrams. The google books scan has the diagrams perfectly clear to use. I have printed them and the schedule out, so I will now go round and check everything. The tip regarding the unobtainium ribbon spools is also noted for future reference.

regards

Peter VK4COZ

From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 06:13:35 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:13:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-4C
In-Reply-To: <0F54BF0D-D7B2-4DBD-A1F1-E510EEB2B025@optusnet.com.au>
References: <0F54BF0D-D7B2-4DBD-A1F1-E510EEB2B025@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <024501d77af4$6802ecb0$3808c610$@gmail.com>

Other than from Jim Cooper, W2JC, they are almost unobtainium, so the trick
is to never throw the old spools away, whether you get them from Jim or not!

Steve G./N4TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of Peter Holtham
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 5:26 AM
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-4C

Thankyou to everyone who responded to my request for the Kleinschmidt TT-4/C
lubrication diagrams. The google books scan has the diagrams perfectly clear
to use. I have printed them and the schedule out, so I will now go round and
check everything. The tip regarding the unobtainium ribbon spools is also
noted for future reference.

regards

Peter VK4COZ
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 10:42:19 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:42:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-4C
In-Reply-To: <0F54BF0D-D7B2-4DBD-A1F1-E510EEB2B025@optusnet.com.au>
References: <0F54BF0D-D7B2-4DBD-A1F1-E510EEB2B025@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <60F2EC4B.9829.2681301E@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 17 Jul 2021 at 19:25, Peter Holtham wrote:

> The tip regarding the
> unobtainium ribbon spools is also noted for future reference.

Not so unobtainable at the present time !!   
(Postage to Australia will be a bit more than shown for USA)





other tty stuff, visit   http://bit.ly/TTY-stuff 

w2jc

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Ribbons, paper, tape, etc. & some equipment
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 17 10:51:46 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:51:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] New Acquisitions, HAL Equipment
In-Reply-To: <2211bd76-2928-fee0-2031-58b23dd9f0fb@austin.rr.com>
References: <2211bd76-2928-fee0-2031-58b23dd9f0fb@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <49a90862-ebf6-a606-81e1-26a0b3d4953a@earthlink.net>

John,

I have a contact at HAL and have requested pdf copies of the CRI-100 & 
-200 Telereader manuals. When I get them, they will be available on the 
Navy-Radio.com website: https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm

Have fun,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA??? 31J30

Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
 ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
(also chief TTY op & repairman)

www.antiquewireless.org


On 16-Jul-21 22:04, John Hargett wrote:
> Just picked up a couple new items.??? Looking for info on the one, and 
> other one came with all the? original manuals and all documents from 
> the original and second owner.? Need some info on a HAL Computer RTTY 
> Interface, model CRI-100.?? Any info anybody has on the CRI-100, would 
> be appreciated.??? The other is a HAL Telereader? CWR-6850.? Powers up 
> but is erratic on the display, Opened it up and found a loose 
> connection and a blown cap.? Have all new caps on order so plan on 
> re-caping it Monday or Tuesday once they come in.? Both items worked 
> last time they were used, but? had been a while according to W5GW, 
> last owner.?? Looking forward to seeing how this unit performs.? Still 
> have to get my 28KSR working properly on the T-D, the rest of it is 
> good, and then have the 28ASR I picked up about a month ago that needs 
> to be cleaned really good.
>
> John
>
> KG5YLG
>
>


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 18:36:19 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 18:36:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Whazzit photo?
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>

I see the 28ASR and 28RO in the foreground.
What are all those other machines?
>From the National Cryptologic Museum archives
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/relay/tty-ncm-01.jpg

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 18:50:43 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 18:50:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Whazzit photo?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02b201d77b5e$2d1cbf80$87563e80$@gmail.com>

The tables they are sitting on look like the table that is part of an
AN/FG-20 set ( Kleinschmidt TT-98)  and the sloping rear of the covers
resemble the TT-4 covers.  My best guess!

Steve G./N4TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of Nick England
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 6:36 PM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Whazzit photo?

I see the 28ASR and 28RO in the foreground.
What are all those other machines?
>From the National Cryptologic Museum archives
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/relay/tty-ncm-01.jpg

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 17 18:56:05 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 17:56:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Whazzit photo?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a0a7a071-856b-6eb0-ed1c-2273555c64c2@tapr.org>

Looks a bit like a RO version of the Kleinschmidt 155 (page 12) or TT-4
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/kleinschmidt/kleinschmidt-commercial-products.pdf

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/17/2021 5:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
> I see the 28ASR and 28RO in the foreground.
> What are all those other machines?
>  From the National Cryptologic Museum archives
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/relay/tty-ncm-01.jpg
> 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 17 20:21:09 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:21:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Whazzit photo?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecdf14d6-5764-11bb-98f0-fcc87581fcb9@earthlink.net>

The RO printers are TT-259s, the RO version of the TT-98.? But more 
specifically, they are the commercial version, Model 155 RO. You can 
just make out the "K" logo on the fronts. (I didn't Kleinschmidt made 
that many on any of their commercial products!)






Interesting!

Duncan
K2OEQ



On 17-Jul-21 18:36, Nick England wrote:
> I see the 28ASR and 28RO in the foreground.
> What are all those other machines?
> >From the National Cryptologic Museum archives
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/relay/tty-ncm-01.jpg
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 17 20:49:37 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:49:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Whazzit photo?
In-Reply-To: <ecdf14d6-5764-11bb-98f0-fcc87581fcb9@earthlink.net>
References: <CAB55hNeCgSNdOTY5Z-angzRch57==iHN+FSXc70X8qmg7+yZWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecdf14d6-5764-11bb-98f0-fcc87581fcb9@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <87210c23-0dbf-a636-5103-1d1432391157@earthlink.net>

I meant to add, the Model 155R in my picture is in the AWA Museum. We 
received it as part of a donation from Tom Kleinschmidt a few years 
ago.? I assumed it was a prototype - didn't realize they went into 
production with them (at least the RO version)

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 17-Jul-21 20:21, Duncan Brown wrote:
> The RO printers are TT-259s, the RO version of the TT-98.? But more 
> specifically, they are the commercial version, Model 155 RO. You can 
> just make out the "K" logo on the fronts. (I didn't Kleinschmidt made 
> that many on any of their commercial products!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting!
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> On 17-Jul-21 18:36, Nick England wrote:
>> I see the 28ASR and 28RO in the foreground.
>> What are all those other machines?
>> >From the National Cryptologic Museum archives
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/relay/tty-ncm-01.jpg
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>


From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Sat Jul 17 21:23:45 2021
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 21:23:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Whazzit photo?
In-Reply-To: <e10e5f4f-7851-8cd2-9151-f11f4508746a@verizon.net>
References: <e10e5f4f-7851-8cd2-9151-f11f4508746a@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <b324d7a3-4075-4537-a4f3-b451f3509724@verizon.net>

I recognized the stands as Kleinschmidt at once.? Later, Kleinschmidt 
was part of Smith-Corona Marchant. That has considerable interest to me 
because Smith-Corona was headquartered and had their main plant here in 
Syracuse. I am wondering if during those times there was any sharing of 
production or consolidation of factories. How many parts for a 
Kleinschmidt might have been produced by Smith Corona or Marchant, and 
vice versa?

 ?? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 7/17/21 18:56, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Looks a bit like a RO version of the Kleinschmidt 155 (page 12) or TT-4
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/kleinschmidt/kleinschmidt-commercial-products.pdf 
>
>
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 7/17/2021 5:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>> I see the 28ASR and 28RO in the foreground.
>> What are all those other machines?
>> ?From the National Cryptologic Museum archives
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/relay/tty-ncm-01.jpg
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
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>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 12:22:49 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:22:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Switchboard type jacks and lamps
Message-ID: <60F45559.21512.2C03913E@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

The "excavation" continues ... 

and I found that I have ELEVEN different types 
of the long 1/4-inch switchboard jacks, plus two 
types of lamp holders that fit in the same mountings 
as the jacks. 

I've made a list, with the actual switching configuration 
schematic for each type, and added it to my list of 'stuff'
at     http://bit.ly/TTY-stuff

Most, not all, of the jacks are in excellent, like-new, condx.

Jim  W2JC 



From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 14:38:39 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 14:38:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
Message-ID: <034d01d77c04$207aef80$6170ce80$@gmail.com>

OK, put on your thinking caps!

 

Nick, N0NCQ, and I are working on a M15 that will soon find it's way to a
new home in FL with one of our younger members.

 

And we have run into issues.  Some of which we seem to have resolved, but at
the moment one that stumps us!

 

Here is the scenario (once some of the multiple issues were resolved):

1.	Typing unit and keyboard removed from base.
2.	M15 plugged in to AC outlet.
3.	Power switch turned to on position.
4.	Motor does not start.
5.	Remove motor from base.
6.	Measure voltage at motor contacts 13 & 16 on the base and find line
voltage of 125V AC (13 & 16 per the schematic we are using).
7.	Using a cheater cord, apply 125V AC to motor contacts corresponding
to 13 &16 (the outer two of the four on the motor unit), motor runs fine.
8.	With motor back in place on the base, measuring across 13 & 16 from
under the keyboard shows a very low voltage.
9.	With power cord removed from wall outlet and using the cheater cord
on the back side of 13 & 16 the motor runs!
10.	Again using the cheater cord, but now placing the leads on the AC
power block at terminals 21 & 23 (with normal power cord unplugged) the
motor again does not run!

 

Something in the base seems do be the culprit, but there isn't much else on
the base.  Under the base is a mess of laced wiring going I don't know
where.  There is a terminal block in the back left of the base that has
nothing connected to the terminals on the top screws of the block.  Guess
that was originally where line relay and motor control circuitry was
located.

 

This machine seems to have some shade tree mechanic work done on it over the
decades a we have uncovered and worked around a couple of wiring issues that
were done maybe for stop gap measures.  One was wiring the machine in the
always on condition as the power switch seemed rather flaky.  This was
resolved by just a thorough clean of oil and grease that had accumulated in
the switch itself.

 

Any and all suggestions accepted!

 

 

Steve G./N4TTY

Nick/N0NCQ

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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 14:57:08 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 14:57:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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On 18 Jul 2021 at 14:38, Steve Garrison wrote:

> 9.	With power cord removed from wall
> outlet and using the cheater cord on
> the back side of 13 & 16 the motor
> runs! 

> 10.	Again using the cheater cord,
> but now placing the leads on the AC
> power block at terminals 21 & 23
> (with normal power cord unplugged) the
> motor again does not run! 

Time to shut off all the power and get the 
OHM METER out ...  start at the 13/16 terminals 
and check the continutity back to 21/23 and 
then through the wall cord to the plug terminals. 

Somewhere along that path there is a high 
resistance or an open ... 

w2jc 



From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul 18 15:49:06 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:49:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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It's amazing how Teletype made something electrically simple quite
complicated.
There's a wire in there for every possible option. I find their schematics
very
difficult to follow. Luckily, the one I have just powered up. The one I
had in high
school was another story. I pulled out all the wiring and brought out six
wires
(plus safety ground). A pair for the magnets, a pair for the keyboard, and
a pair
for the motor.

The fact that you see full voltage with the motor removed and a very low
voltage
when the motor is present makes me think there is a high impedance in there
somewhere. This could be an RC filter across a switch or relay. Apparently
some
units have a motor control relay (I've never seen this, but I see it in some
schematics). If it is not present or is not operating, a jumper would be
required.
Also, the toggle switches used in Teletypes seem to go bad. I had to
jumper the
on/off switch in my 14 TD to get the clutch release to work. I still find
it strange
that they put that switch in that circuit when the tight tape switch is a
couple
inches away. If anything, I'd expect there to be a motor on/off switch. I
now have
it plugged into a switched outlet strip.

As has been pointed out, an ohmmeter as a continuity checker would be
good. The
trick is figuring out where all the wires are supposed to go! You might
measure the
voltage across the on/off switch with the motor present. Does it go to
zero when the
switch is on? Is there a motor control relay?

Good luck!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 16:24:30 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:24:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Well the six wire option, plus the AC safety wire, has been discussed
between Nick and I.

There are two wire wound 300 Ohm resistors up under the base that, for the
life of me, I can't figure out why they are there.  Although they are shown
on the schematic I'm using as a reference, even though it doesn't 100%
reflect what I'm finding.

As for the ohm meter, it's been used extensively.  That's how the issues we
have discovered so far were isolated and corrected.  I think the ripping out
of all existing wiring and installing just the six needed wires is the going
to be the route we will take.  I have one more test in order before making
that decision, but that may not happen until tomorrow!

Steve G./N4TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of Harold Hallikainen
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:49 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

It's amazing how Teletype made something electrically simple quite
complicated.
There's a wire in there for every possible option. I find their schematics
very difficult to follow. Luckily, the one I have just powered up. The one I
had in high school was another story. I pulled out all the wiring and
brought out six wires (plus safety ground). A pair for the magnets, a pair
for the keyboard, and a pair for the motor.

The fact that you see full voltage with the motor removed and a very low
voltage when the motor is present makes me think there is a high impedance
in there somewhere. This could be an RC filter across a switch or relay.
Apparently some units have a motor control relay (I've never seen this, but
I see it in some schematics). If it is not present or is not operating, a
jumper would be required.
Also, the toggle switches used in Teletypes seem to go bad. I had to jumper
the on/off switch in my 14 TD to get the clutch release to work. I still
find it strange that they put that switch in that circuit when the tight
tape switch is a couple inches away. If anything, I'd expect there to be a
motor on/off switch. I now have it plugged into a switched outlet strip.

As has been pointed out, an ohmmeter as a continuity checker would be good.
The trick is figuring out where all the wires are supposed to go! You might
measure the voltage across the on/off switch with the motor present. Does it
go to zero when the switch is on? Is there a motor control relay?

Good luck!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Sun Jul 18 16:45:06 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:45:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:51:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Before ripping everything out, it could be something really simple.  For about a week years ago, I was tracing down every path on one of my 19s, trying to figure out why in the heck the keyboard was not working.  Finally traced it down to a simple wire? someone over the years tried a repair and replaced that one wire with an aluminum one.  As you could imagine, that didn?t work so well with the coppers they soldered it to.

There could even be a short somewhere... some insullation may have worn away and is making contact with the frame, sending it to ground in a less direct route with high resistance - who knows.

Just keep at it.  The more authentic the insides are, the cooler it is to marvel how the thing works in the first place, in my honest opinion :) .

From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 18 17:05:14 2021
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:05:14 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Wayne,

Steve and I are falling under the category #4 !
Just kidding  :-)   :-)   :-)

I took the printing unit and the keyboard home for excessive cleaning with "Simple Green".
Steve is scratching his head about the voltage problem and doing more testing probably right now while I'm posting this note.

Hopefully someone here could come up with a perfect awnser/solution.

Thanks to all of you guys in advance,

Nick - N0NCQ



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-------- Original message --------
From: WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net>
Date: 7/18/21 4:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: N4TTY at ARRL.NET, Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>, harold at w6iwi.org, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

Not a 15 guy anymore but there are 4 big issues with all TTY's that can drive you nuts.

1.  Mouse damage.

2.  Congealed grease or oil.

3.  Undocumented mods or wiring changes.

4.  Efforts to fix the machine by someone who has no idea what they are doing.

Not sure which is the worse one, probably #4.

Keep on and you will find the trouble.

73,

Wayne
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 18 17:15:32 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:15:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Somewhere in those power leads to the motor jacks, there's a poor connection. It'll carry enough current to fool a VOM but not enough current for the motor. Could be bad solder somewhere, dirty contact, corroded wire or even a broken conductor inside an apparently good insulation jacket. With a schematic, it ought to be simple though tedious to find the affected lead.
I would keep the original wiring if at all possible.

WayneWB4OGM

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From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 11:38 am
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

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   - Typing unit and keyboard removed from base.
   - M15 plugged in to AC outlet.
   - Power switch turned to on position.
   - Motor does not start.
   - Remove motor from base.
   - Measure voltage at motor contacts 13 & 16 on the base and find line voltage of 125V AC (13 & 16 per the schematic we are using).
   - Using a cheater cord, apply 125V AC to motor contacts corresponding to 13 &16 (the outer two of the four on the motor unit), motor runs fine.
   - With motor back in place on the base, measuring across 13 & 16 from under the keyboard shows a very low voltage.
   - With power cord removed from wall outlet and using the cheater cord on the back side of 13 & 16 the motor runs!
   - Again using the cheater cord, but now placing the leads on the AC power block at terminals 21 & 23 (with normal power cord unplugged) the motor again does not run!
 ?Something in the base seems do be the culprit, but there isn?t much else on the base.? Under the base is a mess of laced wiring going I don?t know where. ?There is a terminal block in the back left of the base that has nothing connected to the terminals on the top screws of the block.? Guess that was originally where line relay and motor control circuitry was located. ?This machine seems to have some shade tree mechanic work done on it over the decades a we have uncovered and worked around a couple of wiring issues that were done maybe for stop gap measures.? One was wiring the machine in the always on condition as the power switch seemed rather flaky.? This was resolved by just a thorough clean of oil and grease that had accumulated in the switch itself. ?Any and all suggestions accepted! ? ?Steve G./N4TTYNick/N0NCQ______________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:34:25 -0500
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Okay, I just briefly reread through this? this morning had too many of the sleepies to do it.  This may not apply but just pulling from memory? you say that you have the typing unit removed and the motor does not run.  Isn?t there a safety contact between the base and and typing unit, so that when the typing unit is removed, the motor stops (saving fingers and the like from being mowed off)?  I could swear there is one there? I think ? and I know you mentioned contacts but I don?t have the schematic in front of me? but I think there?s a block of four contacts kind?a in the middle, between the typing unit and the base - and when these are not in contact with each other, the motor stops?  I could swear?..


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 11:38 am
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
> 
> OK, put on your thinking caps!
>  
> Nick, N0NCQ, and I are working on a M15 that will soon find it?s way to a new home in FL with one of our younger members.
>  
> And we have run into issues.  Some of which we seem to have resolved, but at the moment one that stumps us!
>  
> Here is the scenario (once some of the multiple issues were resolved):
> 	? Typing unit and keyboard removed from base.
> 	? M15 plugged in to AC outlet.
> 	? Power switch turned to on position.
> 	? Motor does not start.
> 	? Remove motor from base.
> 	? Measure voltage at motor contacts 13 & 16 on the base and find line voltage of 125V AC (13 & 16 per the schematic we are using).
> 	? Using a cheater cord, apply 125V AC to motor contacts corresponding to 13 &16 (the outer two of the four on the motor unit), motor runs fine.
> 	? With motor back in place on the base, measuring across 13 & 16 from under the keyboard shows a very low voltage.
> 	? With power cord removed from wall outlet and using the cheater cord on the back side of 13 & 16 the motor runs!
> 	? Again using the cheater cord, but now placing the leads on the AC power block at terminals 21 & 23 (with normal power cord unplugged) the motor again does not run!
>  
> Something in the base seems do be the culprit, but there isn?t much else on the base.  Under the base is a mess of laced wiring going I don?t know where.  There is a terminal block in the back left of the base that has nothing connected to the terminals on the top screws of the block.  Guess that was originally where line relay and motor control circuitry was located.
>  
> This machine seems to have some shade tree mechanic work done on it over the decades a we have uncovered and worked around a couple of wiring issues that were done maybe for stop gap measures.  One was wiring the machine in the always on condition as the power switch seemed rather flaky.  This was resolved by just a thorough clean of oil and grease that had accumulated in the switch itself.
>  
> Any and all suggestions accepted!
>  
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
> Nick/N0NCQ



From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 19:09:58 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 19:09:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Everyone, thanks for all the feedback.  It is very much appreciated that is for sure.  Wasn't sure we would get such a response on a Sunday, but you TTY guys must be just sitting on the ready willing to help out at all times.

UPDATE:
Just placed a temporary jumper from the power switch, on the switched side, directly to the motor contact (#16 on the schematic we?re referring to) on the block under the base behind the keyboard bay.  Flipped the switch to ON and VOILA, THE MOTOR STARTED!

As for a safety cut out to defeat power to motor when typing unit and/or keyboard are removed, none found.  There were two shorting contact sets for shorting the selector magnet circuit when the typing unit is remove to prevent a open loop on the line and the same thing for the removal of the keyboard.

Now to try finding the real problem.  The high impedance scenario seems to be the most obvious.  I would like to keep as much original wiring as possible, but I'm afraid the lacing of the wiring bundle is going to have to be removed to trouble shoot the issue to find the solution.  I used to lace quite a bit 50 years ago and have a good supply of lacing twine on hand, so I should be able to make it look authentic when we are finished.

Steve G./N4TTY

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Okay, I just briefly reread through this? this morning had too many of the sleepies to do it.  This may not apply but just pulling from memory? you say that you have the typing unit removed and the motor does not run.  Isn?t there a safety contact between the base and and typing unit, so that when the typing unit is removed, the motor stops (saving fingers and the like from being mowed off)?  I could swear there is one there? I think ? and I know you mentioned contacts but I don?t have the schematic in front of me? but I think there?s a block of four contacts kind?a in the middle, between the typing unit and the base - and when these are not in contact with each other, the motor stops?  I could swear?..


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 11:38 am
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
> 
> OK, put on your thinking caps!
>  
> Nick, N0NCQ, and I are working on a M15 that will soon find it?s way to a new home in FL with one of our younger members.
>  
> And we have run into issues.  Some of which we seem to have resolved, but at the moment one that stumps us!
>  
> Here is the scenario (once some of the multiple issues were resolved):
> 	? Typing unit and keyboard removed from base.
> 	? M15 plugged in to AC outlet.
> 	? Power switch turned to on position.
> 	? Motor does not start.
> 	? Remove motor from base.
> 	? Measure voltage at motor contacts 13 & 16 on the base and find line voltage of 125V AC (13 & 16 per the schematic we are using).
> 	? Using a cheater cord, apply 125V AC to motor contacts corresponding to 13 &16 (the outer two of the four on the motor unit), motor runs fine.
> 	? With motor back in place on the base, measuring across 13 & 16 from under the keyboard shows a very low voltage.
> 	? With power cord removed from wall outlet and using the cheater cord on the back side of 13 & 16 the motor runs!
> 	? Again using the cheater cord, but now placing the leads on the AC power block at terminals 21 & 23 (with normal power cord unplugged) the motor again does not run!
>  
> Something in the base seems do be the culprit, but there isn?t much else on the base.  Under the base is a mess of laced wiring going I don?t know where.  There is a terminal block in the back left of the base that has nothing connected to the terminals on the top screws of the block.  Guess that was originally where line relay and motor control circuitry was located.
>  
> This machine seems to have some shade tree mechanic work done on it over the decades a we have uncovered and worked around a couple of wiring issues that were done maybe for stop gap measures.  One was wiring the machine in the always on condition as the power switch seemed rather flaky.  This was resolved by just a thorough clean of oil and grease that had accumulated in the switch itself.
>  
> Any and all suggestions accepted!
>  
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
> Nick/N0NCQ


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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 19:16:22 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 19:16:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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I believe it is #3 caused by #4 way before Nick or I dug into it.  But we are making process.

 

Can anyone add a reasoning for the two 300 ohm resistors in parallel that are part of the motor circuit as shown on the M15 schematics?   I may just jumper around them as a trouble shooting step.  Anyone with any ideas?

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:45 PM
To: N4TTY at ARRL.NET; Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>; harold at w6iwi.org; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

 

Not a 15 guy anymore but there are 4 big issues with all TTY's that can drive you nuts. 

  

1.  Mouse damage. 

  

2.  Congealed grease or oil. 

  

3.  Undocumented mods or wiring changes. 

  

4.  Efforts to fix the machine by someone who has no idea what they are doing.   

  

Not sure which is the worse one, probably #4. 

  

Keep on and you will find the trouble. 

  

73, 

  

Wayne 

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul 18 20:02:02 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 17:02:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Could the resistors Maybe be for use with a governor motor? They could be
switched in when the motor is fast. Have not looked at schematic!

Harold

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 18 20:28:26 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:28:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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Those two resistors ought to connect to connection 14 which is only used when a governed motor is installed. A synch motor connects only via 13, 15 & 16 (15 & 16 are strapped together on the motor mount plate).

WayneWB4OGM
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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

There's no way that 150 ohms (2x 300 ohms in parallel) ought to be in series with the synchronous motor. Don't recall what the current draw is on those motors (mine isn't right here now) but any significant part of an amp will drop a LOT of voltage across 150 ohms.

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
To: 'WAYNE' <teletypeparts at comcast.net>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

#yiv7542202012 -- filtered {}#yiv7542202012 filtered {}#yiv7542202012 filtered {}#yiv7542202012 p.yiv7542202012MsoNormal, #yiv7542202012 li.yiv7542202012MsoNormal, #yiv7542202012 div.yiv7542202012MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv7542202012 span.yiv7542202012EmailStyle18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv7542202012 .yiv7542202012MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv7542202012 filtered {}#yiv7542202012 div.yiv7542202012WordSection1 {}#yiv7542202012 I believe it is #3 caused by #4 way before Nick or I dug into it.? But we are making process. ?Can anyone add a reasoning for the two 300 ohm resistors in parallel that are part of the motor circuit as shown on the M15 schematics??? I may just jumper around them as a trouble shooting step.? Anyone with any ideas? ?Steve G./N4TTY ?From: WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers. ?Not a 15 guy anymore but there are 4 big issues with all TTY's that can drive you nuts. ? 1.? Mouse damage. ? 2.? Congealed grease or oil. ? 3.? Undocumented mods or wiring changes. ? 4.? Efforts to fix the machine by someone who has no idea what they are doing.?? ? Not sure which is the worse one, probably #4. ? Keep on and you will find the trouble. ? 73, ? Wayne KB1FDW ______________________________________________________________
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul 18 20:45:31 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 17:45:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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By the way, here are my measurements on a model 15 synchronous motor.


Measurement	Idle	Running
Current	2.5 A	2.48 A
Power	79 W	70.5 W
Apparent Power	297 VA	293 VA
Power Factor	26 %	24 %

Harold

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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 20:47:43 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:47:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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I?ll double check that the wiring from the two resistors goes only to 14, and that does make sense for a governed motor.  And 15 & 16 are strapped on the motor side of the connector.

 

Maybe this is more of the #3 issues caused by the #4 prior ?mechanic? from Wayne?s list of possible issues!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: hwhall at compuserve.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 8:28 PM
To: N4TTY at ARRL.NET; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

 

Those two resistors ought to connect to connection 14 which is only used when a governed motor is installed. A synch motor connects only via 13, 15 & 16 (15 & 16 are strapped together on the motor mount plate).

Wayne 

WB4OGM

 

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Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

There's no way that 150 ohms (2x 300 ohms in parallel) ought to be in series with the synchronous motor. Don't recall what the current draw is on those motors (mine isn't right here now) but any significant part of an amp will drop a LOT of voltage across 150 ohms.

Wayne 

WB4OGM

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From: Steve Garrison < <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com> steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
To: 'WAYNE' < <mailto:teletypeparts at comcast.net> teletypeparts at comcast.net>;  <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

I believe it is #3 caused by #4 way before Nick or I dug into it.  But we are making process.

 

Can anyone add a reasoning for the two 300 ohm resistors in parallel that are part of the motor circuit as shown on the M15 schematics?   I may just jumper around them as a trouble shooting step.  Anyone with any ideas?

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: WAYNE < <mailto:teletypeparts at comcast.net> teletypeparts at comcast.net> 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:45 PM
To:  <mailto:N4TTY at ARRL.NET> N4TTY at ARRL.NET; Steve Garrison < <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com> steve.n4tty at gmail.com>;  <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org> harold at w6iwi.org;  <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.

 

Not a 15 guy anymore but there are 4 big issues with all TTY's that can drive you nuts. 

  

1.  Mouse damage. 

  

2.  Congealed grease or oil. 

  

3.  Undocumented mods or wiring changes. 

  

4.  Efforts to fix the machine by someone who has no idea what they are doing.   

  

Not sure which is the worse one, probably #4. 

  

Keep on and you will find the trouble. 

  

73, 

  

Wayne 

KB1FDW 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Jul 18 22:25:33 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:25:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
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I'm working on a 15 base right now.  I was going to say #3, but that was probably caused by #4.

When went to disassemble the 15 to lighten the load the keyboard would only pull out 2".  It was wired direct.  Somewhere there's a land fill containing the keyboard slip connector set.   The send-receive-blank switch was also completely disconnected, but still there.

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 3:45 PM, WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Not a 15 guy anymore but there are 4 big issues with all TTY's that can drive you nuts.
>  
> 1.  Mouse damage.
>  
> 2.  Congealed grease or oil.
>  
> 3.  Undocumented mods or wiring changes.
>  
> 4.  Efforts to fix the machine by someone who has no idea what they are doing.  
>  
> Not sure which is the worse one, probably #4.
>  
> Keep on and you will find the trouble.
>  
> 73,
>  
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
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From tty at cgpp.com  Mon Jul 19 08:10:33 2021
From: tty at cgpp.com (tty at cgpp.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:10:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
Message-ID: <17fd5c6e-0162-b1e3-2149-8198a830a614@cgpp.com>


Found a roll of paper in the basement.

8 7/16" wide
4.5" dia
Wound around a cardboard tube, 1 1/4" dia, about 1/8" thick

Weighs 3 lb 3 oz. Can't tell if any of it has been used. I peeled about
a foot from it to get to clean paper.

Stamped on end is:
7530-00-223-7960
....CLASS I - GRADE ...
CANARY
1ROLL
DataCom, Inc., Berwick ...?

There was once an ASR-33 in the house, also a Model 14, so could be for
one of those.

In any event, it has to go, so free to anyone who wants to pay the shipping.

r/
Judah
milgram at cgpp.com

From ksweek at mindspring.com  Mon Jul 19 08:53:13 2021
From: ksweek at mindspring.com (ken Schwieker)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:53:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers.
Message-ID: <mailman.27.1626699259.3284.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

My 2 cents worth:
Unplug the machine from the wall (with the 
temporary jumper removed), Flip power switch to 
OFF. Un power any loop supply if connected. 
Connect one ohmmeter lead to the point on the 
power switch where you had previously connected 
one end of the temporary jumper wire. Now using 
the other ohmmeter lead go looking for the 
terminal,contact etc on the machine that shows 0 
ohm continuity to see where the switch wire goes. 
Keep going if continuity goes through any 
switches, jumpered terminals etc until you find 
the open circuit on the way to the below 
mentioned motor contact. You should find an open 
before you get to the motor,.i.e. no additional 
terminal, switch or contact etc showing continuity.

If not obvious where the problem open is, you can 
remove the motor, clip one ohmmeter lead to below 
mentioned motor contact and start probing for 0 
ohm continuity with the other ohmmeter lead as 
before. Should lead you to the same area where your previous check stopped. .

Hope this helps.

Ken S

  >UPDATE: Just placed a temporary jumper from 
the power switch, on the switched side, directly 
to the motor contact (#16 on the schematic 
we???re referring to) on the block under the base 
behind the keyboard bay.  Flipped

 >the switch to ON and VOILA, THE MOTOR STARTED! 
As for a safety cut out to defeat power to motor 
when typing unit and/or keyboard are removed, none found.  T


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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Jul 19 12:10:15 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 14:33:59 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:33:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers -- NOW FOUND!
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Success!  At least on the motor issue.  Referring to Wayne's list it was
quite a bit of #3 caused by maybe more than one #4.

 

But now we are faced with what might be some major typing unit issues.  More
later.

 

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Mon Jul 19 14:55:14 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
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Two Teletype paper rolls fit nicely into a Medium Flat Rate Box.

WayneWB4OGM

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Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2021 9:10 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?

  Judah,?    ?   Sounds like TTY paper.? The width is correct and Canary Yellow is a color used.    ?   Shipping is always the bad part.? Cost more to ship than the paper.?    ?   Living in Vermont I pay more for shipping maple syrup than I pay for the syrup.? I buy from a farm family that are related to me.? The only exception is two quarts in a USPS medium flat rate box.? $15.50.   ?   Back to the paper; where are you located?   ?   73,   ?   Wayne   KB1FDW  ______________________________________________________________
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Mon Jul 19 15:11:43 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:11:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
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The NSN for teletype roll paper, grade B, canary yellow was 7530-00-223-7966.Pretty close to what is reported on that roll. Maybe some smudged lettering explains the difference?NSN?7530-00-223-7960 is for a steno pad.

WayneWB4OGM

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Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2021 5:10 am
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?


Found a roll of paper in the basement.

8 7/16" wide
4.5" dia
Wound around a cardboard tube, 1 1/4" dia, about 1/8" thick

Weighs 3 lb 3 oz. Can't tell if any of it has been used. I peeled about
a foot from it to get to clean paper.

Stamped on end is:
7530-00-223-7960
....CLASS I - GRADE ...
CANARY
1ROLL
DataCom, Inc., Berwick ...?

There was once an ASR-33 in the house, also a Model 14, so could be for
one of those.

In any event, it has to go, so free to anyone who wants to pay the shipping.

r/
Judah
milgram at cgpp.com
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 15:16:43 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:16:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers -- NOW FOUND!
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On 19 Jul 2021 at 14:33, Steve Garrison wrote:

> Success!  At least on the motor
> issue.  Referring to Wayne's list it
> was quite a bit of #3 caused by maybe
> more than one #4. 

So tell us what you found already !!! 





From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Jul 19 15:18:55 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:18:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers -- NOW FOUND!
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From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Searching for Answers -- NOW FOUND!
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 23:15:39 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 23:15:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] LPR / LTP original Adjustment/Lubrication manual
Message-ID: <60F63FDB.9155.337F9B14@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

More digging in the garage today, and guess 
what I found ....  Adjustment & Lubrication 
for the Model 28 Typing Reperfs (LPR) and 
Typing Perforators (LTP) ....  only a dozen of them.




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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 20 02:10:26 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 06:10:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
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Right, the?11 1?4? x 8 3?4? x 6? size box.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Downs <wa5cab at cs.com>
To: hwhall at compuserve.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2021 11:04 pm
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?

#yiv3209792751 #yiv3209792751 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv3209792751 #yiv3209792751 p.yiv3209792751MsoNormal, #yiv3209792751 li.yiv3209792751MsoNormal, #yiv3209792751 div.yiv3209792751MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;}#yiv3209792751 a:link, #yiv3209792751 span.yiv3209792751MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3209792751 a:visited, #yiv3209792751 span.yiv3209792751MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3209792751 span.yiv3209792751EmailStyle17 {font-family:New;color:#0D0D0D;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv3209792751 .yiv3209792751MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv3209792751 div.yiv3209792751WordSection1 {}#yiv3209792751 Top opening, not side opening. ?Robert Downs ?From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of hwhall at compuserve.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 13:55
To: teletypeparts at comcast.net; tty at cgpp.com; GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper? ?Two Teletype paper rolls fit nicely into a Medium Flat Rate Box.

Wayne WB4OGM-----Original Message-----
From: WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net>
To: tty at cgpp.com; GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2021 9:10 am
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?Judah,? ? Sounds like TTY paper.? The width is correct and Canary Yellow is a color used. ? Shipping is always the bad part.? Cost more to ship than the paper.? ? Living in Vermont I pay more for shipping maple syrup than I pay for the syrup.? I buy from a farm family that are related to me.? The only exception is two quarts in a USPS medium flat rate box.? $15.50. ? Back to the paper; where are you located? ? 73, ? Wayne KB1FDW ______________________________________________________________

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From tty at cgpp.com  Tue Jul 20 08:16:56 2021
From: tty at cgpp.com (tty at cgpp.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 08:16:56 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
In-Reply-To: <78784343.560715.1626721903198@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <17fd5c6e-0162-b1e3-2149-8198a830a614@cgpp.com>
	<78784343.560715.1626721903198@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <144439ee-8ee0-f748-bc27-683ce05b034d@cgpp.com>


Thanks. Armed with this information (and a magnifying lens) I was able
to convince my eye that it's "7966."

Thanks all for the response - I think I may have a local taker, which is
the preferred solution. Will get back to you if it doesn't pan out.

Re the comment that shipping costing as much as the paper, does this
mean that the paper is still available? Is someone manufacturing it, or
selling from old stock? Just curious.

Judah


On 7/19/21 3:11 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> The NSN for teletype roll paper, grade B, canary yellow was
> 7530-00-223-7966.
> Pretty close to what is reported on that roll. Maybe some smudged
> lettering explains the difference?
> NSN?7530-00-223-7960 is for a steno pad.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tty at cgpp.com
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2021 5:10 am
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
> 
> 
> Found a roll of paper in the basement.
> 
> 8 7/16" wide
> 4.5" dia
> Wound around a cardboard tube, 1 1/4" dia, about 1/8" thick
> 
> Weighs 3 lb 3 oz. Can't tell if any of it has been used. I peeled about
> a foot from it to get to clean paper.
> 
> Stamped on end is:
> 7530-00-223-7960
> ....CLASS I - GRADE ...
> CANARY
> 1ROLL
> DataCom, Inc., Berwick ...?
> 
> There was once an ASR-33 in the house, also a Model 14, so could be for
> one of those.
> 
> In any event, it has to go, so free to anyone who wants to pay the shipping.
> 
> r/
> Judah
> milgram at cgpp.com <mailto:milgram at cgpp.com>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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301-257-7069

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 20 09:31:07 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 08:31:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
In-Reply-To: <144439ee-8ee0-f748-bc27-683ce05b034d@cgpp.com>
References: <17fd5c6e-0162-b1e3-2149-8198a830a614@cgpp.com>
	<78784343.560715.1626721903198@mail.yahoo.com>
	<144439ee-8ee0-f748-bc27-683ce05b034d@cgpp.com>
Message-ID: <36285284-89E7-4F7A-AE8C-6FD939BB222A@tapr.org>

Yes suitable paper seems to be available, but "it just ain't like it used to be".

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 7:16 AM, tty at cgpp.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks. Armed with this information (and a magnifying lens) I was able
> to convince my eye that it's "7966."
> 
> Thanks all for the response - I think I may have a local taker, which is
> the preferred solution. Will get back to you if it doesn't pan out.
> 
> Re the comment that shipping costing as much as the paper, does this
> mean that the paper is still available? Is someone manufacturing it, or
> selling from old stock? Just curious.
> 
> Judah
> 
> 
>> On 7/19/21 3:11 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
>> The NSN for teletype roll paper, grade B, canary yellow was
>> 7530-00-223-7966.
>> Pretty close to what is reported on that roll. Maybe some smudged
>> lettering explains the difference?
>> NSN 7530-00-223-7960 is for a steno pad.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> WB4OGM
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tty at cgpp.com
>> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2021 5:10 am
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this teletype paper?
>> 
>> 
>> Found a roll of paper in the basement.
>> 
>> 8 7/16" wide
>> 4.5" dia
>> Wound around a cardboard tube, 1 1/4" dia, about 1/8" thick
>> 
>> Weighs 3 lb 3 oz. Can't tell if any of it has been used. I peeled about
>> a foot from it to get to clean paper.
>> 
>> Stamped on end is:
>> 7530-00-223-7960
>> ....CLASS I - GRADE ...
>> CANARY
>> 1ROLL
>> DataCom, Inc., Berwick ...?
>> 
>> There was once an ASR-33 in the house, also a Model 14, so could be for
>> one of those.
>> 
>> In any event, it has to go, so free to anyone who wants to pay the shipping.
>> 
>> r/
>> Judah
>> milgram at cgpp.com <mailto:milgram at cgpp.com>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> 
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to hwhall at compuserve.com <mailto:hwhall at compuserve.com>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Judah Milgram
> milgram at cgpp.com
> 301-257-7069
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 20 17:07:11 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:07:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
Message-ID: <fc3da44c-995a-ab2d-52f3-fc06bc67252c@tapr.org>

Is there a better set of instructions than what I find in bulletin 138B? 
  The instructions there are rather terse compared to 28 lubrication 
instructions.

And the places that call for oil, grease, oil.  I kind of think that's 
designed to get a thinner lubricant than just plain grease.  Or is there 
another explanation.

I'm doubtful that doing the O-G-O operation with Red "N "Tacky will get 
the desired result.

Any recommendations?  Is the Army TM for the 15 better for lub instructions?


-- 
---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Jul 20 17:24:02 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:24:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
Message-ID: <5e7d324d2eb002aa7721370a4566c024.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

> Is there a better set of instructions than what I find in bulletin 138B?
>   The instructions there are rather terse compared to 28 lubrication
> instructions.
> And the places that call for oil, grease, oil.  I kind of think that's
designed to get a thinner lubricant than just plain grease.  Or is there
another explanation.
> I'm doubtful that doing the O-G-O operation with Red "N "Tacky will get
the desired result.
> Any recommendations?  Is the Army TM for the 15 better for lub
> instructions?

I used Teletype Bulleting 138:
http://bitsavers.org/communications/teletype/15/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf

Harold



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Not sent from an iPhone.




From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Jul 20 17:41:24 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:41:24 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
In-Reply-To: <fc3da44c-995a-ab2d-52f3-fc06bc67252c@tapr.org>
References: <fc3da44c-995a-ab2d-52f3-fc06bc67252c@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <48035f6f-af7b-217c-a5aa-41455d8c0008@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? As a sort of side note, one of my great frustrations is 
getting authentic information on lubricants. People recommend all 
sorts of exotic stuff but there is little reliable information on 
what they really do. A prime example is the lubrication 
instructions for Compur shutters. These were found on many deluxe 
quality cameras. They are not really difficult to work on but the 
factory instructions specify at least four different lubricants, 
all by German trade names of perhaps fifty years ago. And, BTW, 
the last set of instructions reccommened running the shutters dry 
! have encountered the same problem for many other pieces of 
equipment. Makes you wonder. For instance, will a modern 
synthetic grease, like Mobile One (is this the sticky red stuff 
mentioned?) serve in most applications requiring fairly heavy 
grease? How about "turbine oil" which I understand is just highly 
refined (what does that mean) oil. How about modern synthetic 
watch oil. In the distant past whale oil was used, or porpoise 
jaw oil. There is now silicone oil sold for similar purposes. 
Supposed to not jell or move around. Extremely light oil for use 
on jeweled bearings, etc. Nye used to sell the synthetic stuff. 
Probably not useful on TT machines but would be nice to know.
 ?? There are now all sorts of synthetic oils? for cars, 
supposedly they do not oxidize or change as much with heat. Along 
the same line oils with detergents, made mostly for cars, are not 
supposed to be good for general lubrication, well I want some 
definite, authentic information. Same with multi-grade oils, 
which have additives to control the viscosity. Supposedly not so 
good for general lubrication, why?? Of course, there is also 
extreme pressure grease and even more pressure resistant grease 
(lost the name for it) for auto differentials, which have 
additives to prevent the grease from being squeezed out of the 
gears. Again, not suitable for general lubrication.
 ?? I picked all this up from lots of general reading. I have 
seen very technical literature on lubricants but am lost, they 
require too much specialized knowledge. This leaves out vegetable 
oils like castor oil, once (and maybe still) the stand by for 
racing cars. Has this any place against modern synthetics? I have 
no idea where to find out.

On 7/20/2021 2:07 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Is there a better set of instructions than what I find in 
> bulletin 138B? ?The instructions there are rather terse 
> compared to 28 lubrication instructions.
>
> And the places that call for oil, grease, oil.? I kind of think 
> that's designed to get a thinner lubricant than just plain 
> grease.? Or is there another explanation.
>
> I'm doubtful that doing the O-G-O operation with Red "N "Tacky 
> will get the desired result.
>
> Any recommendations?? Is the Army TM for the 15 better for lub 
> instructions?
>
>

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 18:04:00 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 18:04:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
In-Reply-To: <48035f6f-af7b-217c-a5aa-41455d8c0008@ix.netcom.com>
References: <fc3da44c-995a-ab2d-52f3-fc06bc67252c@tapr.org>
	<48035f6f-af7b-217c-a5aa-41455d8c0008@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcgH-Mr33zvg11oiYfs5vuS7P5Logy25Nb_zXenB1Q58w@mail.gmail.com>

A search in the archives on "oil" shows a mere 2512 results found
I think Doug Jones has done pretty good research
http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/ks7470oil.shtml

Cheers,
Nick

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:41 PM Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>     As a sort of side note, one of my great frustrations is
> getting authentic information on lubricants. People recommend all
> sorts of exotic stuff but there is little reliable information on
> what they really do. A prime example is the lubrication
> instructions for Compur shutters. These were found on many deluxe
> quality cameras. They are not really difficult to work on but the
> factory instructions specify at least four different lubricants,
> all by German trade names of perhaps fifty years ago. And, BTW,
> the last set of instructions reccommened running the shutters dry
> ! have encountered the same problem for many other pieces of
> equipment. Makes you wonder. For instance, will a modern
> synthetic grease, like Mobile One (is this the sticky red stuff
> mentioned?) serve in most applications requiring fairly heavy
> grease? How about "turbine oil" which I understand is just highly
> refined (what does that mean) oil. How about modern synthetic
> watch oil. In the distant past whale oil was used, or porpoise
> jaw oil. There is now silicone oil sold for similar purposes.
> Supposed to not jell or move around. Extremely light oil for use
> on jeweled bearings, etc. Nye used to sell the synthetic stuff.
> Probably not useful on TT machines but would be nice to know.
>     There are now all sorts of synthetic oils  for cars,
> supposedly they do not oxidize or change as much with heat. Along
> the same line oils with detergents, made mostly for cars, are not
> supposed to be good for general lubrication, well I want some
> definite, authentic information. Same with multi-grade oils,
> which have additives to control the viscosity. Supposedly not so
> good for general lubrication, why?  Of course, there is also
> extreme pressure grease and even more pressure resistant grease
> (lost the name for it) for auto differentials, which have
> additives to prevent the grease from being squeezed out of the
> gears. Again, not suitable for general lubrication.
>     I picked all this up from lots of general reading. I have
> seen very technical literature on lubricants but am lost, they
> require too much specialized knowledge. This leaves out vegetable
> oils like castor oil, once (and maybe still) the stand by for
> racing cars. Has this any place against modern synthetics? I have
> no idea where to find out.
>
> On 7/20/2021 2:07 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> > Is there a better set of instructions than what I find in
> > bulletin 138B?  The instructions there are rather terse
> > compared to 28 lubrication instructions.
> >
> > And the places that call for oil, grease, oil.  I kind of think
> > that's designed to get a thinner lubricant than just plain
> > grease.  Or is there another explanation.
> >
> > I'm doubtful that doing the O-G-O operation with Red "N "Tacky
> > will get the desired result.
> >
> > Any recommendations?  Is the Army TM for the 15 better for lub
> > instructions?
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard Knoppow
> 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
> WB6KBL
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From tomas at tlec.se  Tue Jul 20 18:10:20 2021
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 00:10:20 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Tractor feed for model 33
Message-ID: <000001d77db4$07d761a0$178624e0$@tlec.se>

Dear Group

Is it possible to get hold of an conversion kit or something similar.

 

With best regards

Tomas Larsson

Bor?s

Sweden

 

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From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 18:12:49 2021
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony.podrasky)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:12:49 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
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GE OMs,

Get a bottle of "Jack", a bucket of ice, and a tumbler.

Put ice in the tumbler, pour in some Jack, and drink
until you're well-lubricated.

Oh - I'm sorry: you were talking about the machine and
not the operator...


UE,
K2EAA - TONY
NNNN
ZCZC

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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 18:54:00 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 18:54:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues
Message-ID: <066201d77dba$21fc7060$65f55120$@gmail.com>

Seems as if the M15 has been a very popular machine here on the list over
the last few days.

 

I have the need to replace the lower spacing gear (p/n: 74154) on the typing
unit of the machine whose base I had electrical wiring issues.

 

I need some advice on the best way to proceed.  Most of all the "don'ts" as
well as the do's.  Anyone replaced one of these before?  And therefore have
a better way to proceed without making a dozen mistakes before finding the
tricks of the trade.  My current lower spacing gear has about 3 teeth that
seem to be ground off.  I do have a typing unit that has really become a
spares unit that seems to have a intact lower spacing gear, so I won't have
a need to go in search for one of those.

 

I wish Teletype had developed removal/replacement (disassembly/reassembly)
instructions like Kleinschmidt did for their machines.  Or do such manual
exist and I just haven't found them?

 

And does any know if Paul, Mr TTY, carries 14/15/19 parts?  I need a missing
spring (p/n: 75229) on the line/break switch mechanism on the base unit.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 20 18:56:08 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:56:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
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After the 1st jack you can just take the "if it moves, oil it" approach.  

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 5:12 PM, tony.podrasky <tony.podrasky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> GE OMs,
> 
> Get a bottle of "Jack", a bucket of ice, and a tumbler.
> 
> Put ice in the tumbler, pour in some Jack, and drink
> until you're well-lubricated.
> 
> Oh - I'm sorry: you were talking about the machine and
> not the operator...
> 
> 
> UE,
> K2EAA - TONY
> NNNN
> ZCZC
> 
> -- 
> I used to think that the brain was the most
> wonderful organ in my body.
> Then I realized who was telling me this...
>                            - Emo Phillips
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 20 19:51:09 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 23:51:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues
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And does any know if Paul, Mr TTY, carries 14/15/19 parts?
Absolutely he does. I've bought from him for my Model 15 & thought the prices were very reasonable.

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
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To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2021 3:54 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues

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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Jul 20 19:54:02 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 19:54:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues
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Thanks Wayne and John!

 

Just sent him an email to see if he has the spring and the lower spacing gear in his inventory.  Now I just need a way to hit the minimum parts order.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: hwhall at compuserve.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 7:51 PM
To: steve.n4tty at gmail.com; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues

 

 

And does any know if Paul, Mr TTY, carries 14/15/19 parts?

Absolutely he does. I've bought from him for my Model 15 & thought the prices were very reasonable.

Wayne 

WB4OGM

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To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2021 3:54 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues

Seems as if the M15 has been a very popular machine here on the list over the last few days.

 

I have the need to replace the lower spacing gear (p/n: 74154) on the typing unit of the machine whose base I had electrical wiring issues.

 

I need some advice on the best way to proceed.  Most of all the ?don?ts? as well as the do?s.  Anyone replaced one of these before?  And therefore have a better way to proceed without making a dozen mistakes before finding the tricks of the trade.  My current lower spacing gear has about 3 teeth that seem to be ground off.  I do have a typing unit that has really become a spares unit that seems to have a intact lower spacing gear, so I won?t have a need to go in search for one of those.

 

I wish Teletype had developed removal/replacement (disassembly/reassembly) instructions like Kleinschmidt did for their machines.  Or do such manual exist and I just haven?t found them?

 

And does any know if Paul, Mr TTY, carries 14/15/19 parts?  I need a missing spring (p/n: 75229) on the line/break switch mechanism on the base unit.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Jul 20 20:00:27 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:00:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues
Message-ID: <b675c362a133b72564578dcbaefc4259.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

> And does any know if Paul, Mr TTY, carries 14/15/19 parts?  I need a
missing
> spring (p/n: 75229) on the line/break switch mechanism on the base unit.

He has a pretty extensive collection of parts. I got pullbar springs for
my model 15.

Harold


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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 13:59:50 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:59:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues (lower spacing gear)
Message-ID: <080b01d77e5a$33ab9c00$9b02d400$@gmail.com>

Problem resolved, and at the risk of keeping everyone in the dark and
wondering, it turns out to be really easy.  Those Teletype engineers did a
much better job of designing with the repair technician in mind.  I'll add
it to my "To Do" list to document the process for future reference.  Maybe
even make a YouTube video to go along with my bearing replacement on a M28
motor still waiting in the wings to be completed.

 

I did take some pics as I worked through it so maybe several of those along
with some descriptive text might lower the worry about doing this task on
your own.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 14:37:54 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:37:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues
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Just so all are aware, both Nick and I both are in the habit of rotating the motor as we seat the typing unit on the base before installing and tightening the thumbscrews.  So we are both convinced this issue of the missing teeth preceded our involvement with this particular machine.  Just something we had not noticed beforehand since we weren?t able to power up the machine anyway until I resolved the base wiring issues.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

Nick/N0NCQ

 

 

 

From: WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 2:11 PM
To: N4TTY at ARRL.NET
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues

 

Steve, 

  

That ground off gear has all the earmarks of turning the machine on without it being fully in place.  I may be wrong on your problem but you must always turn the motor by hand before putting the printer screws in to make sure the gears are meshed.  

  

Actually this goes for all machines but particularly model 15 and 28's.  

  

Go slow and get advice from these great model 15 guys on GK as you are doing now. 

  

73, 

  

Wayne 

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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Wed Jul 21 15:02:25 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:02:25 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
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 ?? Thank you, this is a good summary. I want to address one 
thing: in this article he mentions that Shell oil warns about 
mixing greases with different thickeners. Some time ago I 
searched out a modern equivalent of a grease recommended by 
Collins Radio for use on the cams and gears of a 51J/R-388 
receiver. One of the substitutes was an Aeroshell grease. In 
reading up on it I found its use was blamed for the crash of an 
airliner because it was mixed with another grease formerly used 
to lubricate the gears in the rudder. I don't remember now the 
exact effect but the recommendation was not to mix synthetic 
grease with natural grease. If one has been used it must be 
thoroughly cleaned out. Its been several years since I researched 
it so I don't have the details.
 ?? The grease I have is a fairly light material, about the color 
and texture of butterscotch. It was not expensive and I have a 
lifetime supply. The Teletype application is certainly more 
critical since the bandswitching in the receiver do not require 
either high speeds or heavy loading.
 ?? The question remains to me what did the original engineers 
want and what currently available material will serve the purpose.

On 7/20/2021 3:04 PM, Nick England wrote:
> A search in the archives on "oil" shows a mere 2512 results found
> I think Doug Jones has done pretty good research
> http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/ks7470oil.shtml
>
> Cheers,
> Nick
>

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Wed Jul 21 15:20:16 2021
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:20:16 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Lubricating a 15 printer
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References: <fc3da44c-995a-ab2d-52f3-fc06bc67252c@tapr.org>
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From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com]
> I want to address one thing: in this article he mentions that
> Shell oil warns about mixing greases with different thickeners.
> The question remains to me what did the original engineers
> want and what currently available material will serve the purpose.

All greases are oils of one kind or another thickened with something so that the oil doesn't get squeezed out of where it is needed.  In many cases, the nature of the thickening agent doesn't really matter to the function of the grease, just the mechanical and lubricating properties of the result.  There may be several different ways to formulate a grease that will do the job quite well.

What I recall from researching the grease issue is that there are two basic categories of thickeners:  Soaps and clays.  The challenge is that in some cases, when two different greases are combined, even though the greases may have identical lubricating properties when used in pure form, the combination can go bad.

A typical grease failure that can result from mixing greases is the separation of the thickening agent from the oil.  Either thickening agent, alone, will stay mixed uniformly with the oil, but when you mix the two greases, the thickening agents interact, binding to each other more strongly than either one of them binds to the oil.  The net result is that the grease separates into oil that drips and leaks out of the area needing lubrication, leaving behind a sludge of congealed thickening agents that makes a very bad lubricant.

         Doug Jones
         jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Jul 21 15:30:57 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: Lubricating a 15 printer
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB5003B0B0AFB7E943684C17BDA8E39@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <fc3da44c-995a-ab2d-52f3-fc06bc67252c@tapr.org>
	<48035f6f-af7b-217c-a5aa-41455d8c0008@ix.netcom.com>
	<CAB55hNcgH-Mr33zvg11oiYfs5vuS7P5Logy25Nb_zXenB1Q58w@mail.gmail.com>
	<f523019f-2692-92a2-c91c-31e09bf1beff@ix.netcom.com>
	<DM6PR04MB5003B0B0AFB7E943684C17BDA8E39@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <c0203a8a-7d05-7123-5d51-a2a923dc3594@tapr.org>

Doug, your last paragraph explained what happens very well and that will 
help reinforce the need to watch what is mixed with what.

Before that it didn't really make sense to me.


Thank you
---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/21/2021 2:20 PM, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> From: Richard Knoppow [1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com]
>> I want to address one thing: in this article he mentions that
>> Shell oil warns about mixing greases with different thickeners.
>> The question remains to me what did the original engineers
>> want and what currently available material will serve the purpose.
> 
> All greases are oils of one kind or another thickened with something so that the oil doesn't get squeezed out of where it is needed.  In many cases, the nature of the thickening agent doesn't really matter to the function of the grease, just the mechanical and lubricating properties of the result.  There may be several different ways to formulate a grease that will do the job quite well.
> 
> What I recall from researching the grease issue is that there are two basic categories of thickeners:  Soaps and clays.  The challenge is that in some cases, when two different greases are combined, even though the greases may have identical lubricating properties when used in pure form, the combination can go bad.
> 
> A typical grease failure that can result from mixing greases is the separation of the thickening agent from the oil.  Either thickening agent, alone, will stay mixed uniformly with the oil, but when you mix the two greases, the thickening agents interact, binding to each other more strongly than either one of them binds to the oil.  The net result is that the grease separates into oil that drips and leaks out of the area needing lubrication, leaving behind a sludge of congealed thickening agents that makes a very bad lubricant.
> 
>           Doug Jones
>           jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 21 16:43:50 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:43:50 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] More M15 Issues (lower spacing gear)
In-Reply-To: <080b01d77e5a$33ab9c00$9b02d400$@gmail.com>
References: <080b01d77e5a$33ab9c00$9b02d400$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4C0E9D7-3ADD-4DD5-BF40-A2C993A00D83@comcast.net>

I would love to see any and all YouTube videos about repair. 

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Jul 21, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Problem resolved, and at the risk of keeping everyone in the dark and wondering, it turns out to be really easy.  Those Teletype engineers did a much better job of designing with the repair technician in mind.  I?ll add it to my ?To Do? list to document the process for future reference.  Maybe even make a YouTube video to go along with my bearing replacement on a M28 motor still waiting in the wings to be completed.
>  
> I did take some pics as I worked through it so maybe several of those along with some descriptive text might lower the worry about doing this task on your own.
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
>  
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 19:57:51 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:57:51 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
Message-ID: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>

Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?  If so can someone point
me to how it's implemented so I can disable it.  If not, I've definitely got
more digging to do.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From k1rdm at comcast.net  Wed Jul 21 20:04:25 2021
From: k1rdm at comcast.net (Rick Miller)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:04:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
Message-ID: <57010bdc-fd3f-2491-1237-91bef38bfab5@comcast.net>

New to the list.? Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX).? Used to have a 
model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something clattering away 
in the basement again.

NOOBY questions.

1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without 
posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and without 
going through the whole archive manually??

2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a problem 
where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring dislodged.

 ??? Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never 
ending repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key)

3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk box? 
for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a little TLC.

 ??? Looking for schematics of the TU I have.


From djones at k6yic.com  Wed Jul 21 20:11:39 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:11:39 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
In-Reply-To: <57010bdc-fd3f-2491-1237-91bef38bfab5@comcast.net>
References: <57010bdc-fd3f-2491-1237-91bef38bfab5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <923EE59D-5693-452F-B5C8-25E31D43ACA1@k6yic.com>

Welcome,

This is the place for the answers and good side conversations.  Hi hi

Here is a good place to start for manuals and pretty much anything that is out there when it comes to teletype information.  

Https://www.navy-radio.com

Here is a link to the Hal information. 

https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm

Once again welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.  

Daniel Jones
K6YIC 


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> On Jul 21, 2021, at 17:05, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?New to the list.  Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX).  Used to have a model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something clattering away in the basement again.
> 
> NOOBY questions.
> 
> 1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and without going through the whole archive manually??
> 
> 2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a problem where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring dislodged.
> 
>     Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never ending repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key)
> 
> 3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk box? for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a little TLC.
> 
>     Looking for schematics of the TU I have.
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From wa3frp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 21:02:36 2021
From: wa3frp at gmail.com (Russ Miller)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:02:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve,

Ask and you shall receive... from RTTY Journal...by Irv Hoff W6FFC,,,

73
Russ WA3FRP

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:59 PM Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?  If so can someone
> point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.  If not, I?ve
> definitely got more digging to do.
>
>
>
> Steve G./N4TTY
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul 21 21:16:32 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:16:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
Message-ID: <6030975f2ca8c2efceb63dcf3986a917.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


CRLF reminds me of an apparent issue with Ham Radio Deluxe. I've talked
with a couple people using that software and rarely get a CR and never get
an LF. So I have to keep my fingers on the CR button and the LF crank on
the model 15. I should probably try Ham Radio Deluxe to see how it works.
Does anyone know if it indeed shows as the end of a line is approaching?
Will control-J get translated to LF?

Harold



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From donc at martineer.net  Wed Jul 21 21:23:39 2021
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningam)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:23:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
	<CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ca4676c-c0f5-4fd8-a169-243a7d395d48@martineer.net>

Russ,

Your callsign sure looks familiar.? Have we had many RTTY QSO's over the 
years, but years ago??

Secondly, does anyone know if there is an archive of the RTTY Journals 
that were produced?? I'd sure like to buy or whatever any CD's or other 
archives of those.? There is MUCH contained in those little magazines, 
and mine are few and far between from what I once had.
73,
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/21/2021 8:02 PM, Russ Miller wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Ask and you shall receive... from RTTY Journal...by Irv Hoff W6FFC,,,
>
> 73
> Russ WA3FRP
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:59 PM Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com 
> <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?? If so can
>     someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.? If
>     not, I?ve definitely got more digging to do.
>
>     Steve G./N4TTY
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
>     GreenKeys mailing list
>     Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>     <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys>
>     Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>     <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>
>     Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>
>     >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>     https://teletype.net/gksearch <https://teletype.net/gksearch>
>     >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>     http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>     <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>
>     >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>     http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>     <http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>
>     >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>     http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>     <http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html>
>
>     This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net>
>     Please help support this email list:
>     http://www.qsl.net/donate.html <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>
>     Message delivered to wa3frp at gmail.com <mailto:wa3frp at gmail.com>
>
>
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>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 21:31:43 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:31:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
	<CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <090b01d77e99$548fdf50$fdaf9df0$@gmail.com>

Thanks Russ!  I knew the answer might be out there somewhere.

 

What a group of folks!!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: Russ Miller <wa3frp at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:03 PM
To: N4TTY at arrl.net
Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga

 

Hi Steve, 

 

Ask and you shall receive... from RTTY Journal...by Irv Hoff W6FFC,,,

 

73

Russ WA3FRP

 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:59 PM Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com> > wrote:

Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?  If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.  If not, I?ve definitely got more digging to do.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

______________________________________________________________
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Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net> 

>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 21:33:17 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:33:17 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <4ca4676c-c0f5-4fd8-a169-243a7d395d48@martineer.net>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
	<CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ca4676c-c0f5-4fd8-a169-243a7d395d48@martineer.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNe-Uf+q1TD7vEp2_2Rn+FZ289JYWhgoUQGNLg_zOZY23A@mail.gmail.com>

A copy of the archive is here
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/rtty-journal.htm

Cheers
Nick

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 9:23 PM Don Cunningam <donc at martineer.net> wrote:

> Russ,
>
> Your callsign sure looks familiar.  Have we had many RTTY QSO's over the
> years, but years ago??
>
> Secondly, does anyone know if there is an archive of the RTTY Journals
> that were produced?  I'd sure like to buy or whatever any CD's or other
> archives of those.  There is MUCH contained in those little magazines, and
> mine are few and far between from what I once had.
> 73,
> Don, WB5HAK
>


>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
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From phearvada at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 22:31:18 2021
From: phearvada at gmail.com (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:31:18 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <6030975f2ca8c2efceb63dcf3986a917.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <6030975f2ca8c2efceb63dcf3986a917.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <901A4501-B664-4D7A-9CC2-FEB9D7111233@gmail.com>

It would seem to me, in these days of raspberry PIs and microcontrollers and such, that we could create something to deal with this. I can see some approaches as long as we use the (hard to find) Volpe board.  I wonder if we could reprogram the Volpe board to count the characters and insert the CRLFs and buffer the signal as required and not require anything else. I am not sure what can be done with the microcontroller on that board.

I?m wondering if Eric Volpe or John Nagle have any ideas. Or anyone else out there who is an electrical engineer.


Paul
 

> On Jul 21, 2021, at 7:16 PM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> CRLF reminds me of an apparent issue with Ham Radio Deluxe. I've talked
> with a couple people using that software and rarely get a CR and never get
> an LF. So I have to keep my fingers on the CR button and the LF crank on
> the model 15. I should probably try Ham Radio Deluxe to see how it works.
> Does anyone know if it indeed shows as the end of a line is approaching?
> Will control-J get translated to LF?
> 
> Harold
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul 21 23:53:47 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:53:47 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <901A4501-B664-4D7A-9CC2-FEB9D7111233@gmail.com>
References: <6030975f2ca8c2efceb63dcf3986a917.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
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Message-ID: <61edc5923eb7ca12f8af9c6a02c4345d.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>


> It would seem to me, in these days of raspberry PIs and microcontrollers
> and such, that we could create something to deal with this. I can see some
> approaches as long as we use the (hard to find) Volpe board.  I wonder if
> we could reprogram the Volpe board to count the characters and insert the
> CRLFs and buffer the signal as required and not require anything else. I
> am not sure what can be done with the microcontroller on that board.
>
> I???m wondering if Eric Volpe or John Nagle have any ideas. Or anyone else
> out there who is an electrical engineer.
>
>
> Paul

I had to do "word wrap" in this product:
https://www.qsc.com/solutions-products/accessibility/usl-ccr-100/ . It can
display 32 characters per line of US characters, and 16 characters per
line of Asian characters. Ideally the movie studios would create the
caption files with the right number of characters per line, but sometimes
they don't. If the packet I received had more than 32 characters in a
line, the code would search back to find the last space before the 32
character point, then move the text down to the next line. Lines were
moved down unless there ended up being more than 3 lines (the limit of the
display). In that case, the line breaks in the file (it's XML with a Text
element for each line) are ignored and the text is just fit the best it
can.

I never got Asian text to wrap correctly, though. It's tricky in that the
text is encoded as UTF-8, so there is more than one byte per character,
and also there are not spaces between characters.

For RTTY, it would be nice if it were just transmitted correctly. But, if
we want to "cheat" and handle it on the receive end, I'd probably insert a
carriage return and line feed after the first space after the 72nd
character in the line and if we get to 80 without a space, insert a CRLF
without regard to breaking up a word. It gets fun since we also have to
ignore non-printing characters (blank, figs, ltrs, etc.) when counting
line position. We could also insert an LF after a CR and before the first
printing character if one was not received. This would prohibit purposeful
overtyping, though.

Again, I'd prefer stuff be transmitted correctly. Failing that, code could
be added to a software TU driving the Teletype. Or a separate box could
insert the required characters, but that gets expensive since you'd need
another local loop, etc.

I plan on messing with making a TU on a microcontroller some day. I might
add something like that if I ever get around to that project. Current big
project is scanning more stuff for http://bh.hallikainen.org/ .

Harold



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From donc at martineer.net  Thu Jul 22 00:14:01 2021
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningam)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 23:14:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNe-Uf+q1TD7vEp2_2Rn+FZ289JYWhgoUQGNLg_zOZY23A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
	<CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ca4676c-c0f5-4fd8-a169-243a7d395d48@martineer.net>
	<CAB55hNe-Uf+q1TD7vEp2_2Rn+FZ289JYWhgoUQGNLg_zOZY23A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9a719bb-a691-c2a4-4a97-7b423a57b7f2@martineer.net>

Thanks, Nick.? I should have thought to look there, but hadn't. Nice to 
find them again and be able to look up some of the old articles.
73,
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/21/2021 8:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
> A copy of the archive is here
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/rtty-journal.htm 
> <https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/rtty-journal.htm>
>
> Cheers
> Nick
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 9:23 PM Don Cunningam <donc at martineer.net 
> <mailto:donc at martineer.net>> wrote:
>
>     Russ,
>
>     Your callsign sure looks familiar.? Have we had many RTTY QSO's
>     over the years, but years ago??
>
>     Secondly, does anyone know if there is an archive of the RTTY
>     Journals that were produced?? I'd sure like to buy or whatever any
>     CD's or other archives of those.? There is MUCH contained in those
>     little magazines, and mine are few and far between from what I
>     once had.
>     73,
>     Don, WB5HAK
>
>
>
>     <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
>     	
>
> -- 
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 09:08:40 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 09:08:40 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
	<CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <097c01d77efa$b174bae0$145e30a0$@gmail.com>

Thanks Russ!  That was a big help, but it looks as if my typing unit has none of the auto-cr-lf mods nor the non-overline mods either.

 

The article did help me find a understand the unshift-on-space feature however.

 

So it seems as if I have some other issue since I get a LF every time a CR is received.  Such that if I?m at the left margin already, receiving a CR or a LF seems to be the same thing.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: Russ Miller <wa3frp at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:03 PM
To: N4TTY at arrl.net
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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga

 

Hi Steve, 

 

Ask and you shall receive... from RTTY Journal...by Irv Hoff W6FFC,,,

 

73

Russ WA3FRP

 

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:59 PM Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com> > wrote:

Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?  If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.  If not, I?ve definitely got more digging to do.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Thu Jul 22 09:25:05 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:25:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <097c01d77efa$b174bae0$145e30a0$@gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
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I don't know if it's possible like you can do on a 28, a CR function bar in the LF slot?

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 22, 2021, at 8:08 AM, Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Russ!  That was a big help, but it looks as if my typing unit has none of the auto-cr-lf mods nor the non-overline mods either.
>  
> The article did help me find a understand the unshift-on-space feature however.
>  
> So it seems as if I have some other issue since I get a LF every time a CR is received.  Such that if I?m at the left margin already, receiving a CR or a LF seems to be the same thing.
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
>  
> From: Russ Miller <wa3frp at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:03 PM
> To: N4TTY at arrl.net
> Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
>  
> Hi Steve, 
>  
> Ask and you shall receive... from RTTY Journal...by Irv Hoff W6FFC,,,
>  
> 73
> Russ WA3FRP
>  
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:59 PM Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?  If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.  If not, I?ve definitely got more digging to do.
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
>  
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From nagle at animats.com  Wed Jul 21 23:59:41 2021
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:59:41 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lubricating a 15 printer
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Only the big gears need Red-And-Tacky. You need something
tacky enough to stay on.

For everything else that needs greasing, I use white moly grease.
For oil, 0-20W full synthetic motor oil.

Don't use anything where the light fractions evaporate and
leave the asphalt components behind. I've had to repair a machine
where someone did that, and it took weeks.

Get one of those oiling pens that dispenses one drop per push, for
all those bearings that are one per key and one per typebar.

Bulletin 138, rev 4 seems fine.

http://aetherltd.com/public/model15manuals/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf

			John Nagle


From hanyou at xsmail.com  Thu Jul 22 13:17:02 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:17:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
In-Reply-To: <097c01d77efa$b174bae0$145e30a0$@gmail.com>
References: <08dc01d77e8c$37a10660$a6e31320$@gmail.com>
	<CAMVk04A-3sOXqBNLtkrrjRi3fjNGaCMO9TBJ20s88k5WGU7Zsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<097c01d77efa$b174bae0$145e30a0$@gmail.com>
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I?m going to use some incorrect terms here? but I wonder if on your keyboard unit shaft, you have a sticky selector.  Unlikely if the rest works, but possible.


> On Jul 22, 2021, at 8:08 am, Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Russ!  That was a big help, but it looks as if my typing unit has none of the auto-cr-lf mods nor the non-overline mods either.
>  
> The article did help me find a understand the unshift-on-space feature however.
>  
> So it seems as if I have some other issue since I get a LF every time a CR is received.  Such that if I?m at the left margin already, receiving a CR or a LF seems to be the same thing.
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
>  
> From: Russ Miller <wa3frp at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:03 PM
> To: N4TTY at arrl.net
> Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] The continuing M15 Saga
>  
> Hi Steve, 
>  
> Ask and you shall receive... from RTTY Journal...by Irv Hoff W6FFC,,,
>  
> 73
> Russ WA3FRP
>  
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:59 PM Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?  If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.  If not, I?ve definitely got more digging to do.
>>  
>> Steve G./N4TTY
>>  
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From radio_man at wbsnet.org  Thu Jul 22 13:43:30 2021
From: radio_man at wbsnet.org (radio_man at wbsnet.org)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:43:30 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY news
Message-ID: <6090df1f368e981fa6e9eafa871d6dbf.squirrel@mail.wbsnet.org>

Don,
Not -RTTY Journal- but a publication by RTTY Society of Southern
California,
January 1962 edition.  Little 'dog eared' and some liquid marks.  I have no
use for it.  Has an article on rewiring the Model 15.  Hate to toss it.
Postage....

73
Rod
K0EQH

> Secondly, does anyone know if there is an archive of the RTTY Journals
that were produced?? I'd sure like to buy or whatever any CD's or other
archives of those.? There is MUCH contained in those little magazines,
and mine are few and far between from what I once had.
> 73,
> Don, WB5HAK





From radio_man at wbsnet.org  Thu Jul 22 14:55:46 2021
From: radio_man at wbsnet.org (radio_man at wbsnet.org)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:55:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY news
Message-ID: <b760af43c19276516fadb0e107ed6e18.squirrel@mail.wbsnet.org>

Don,

OK, that does it, will mail to Don and he can forward to Nick so all can
see it if worth while.  Will look for more 'archivable' stuff.   Have some
TTY manuals and misc items to dispose of. (TU's etc) No sweat on postage.
Rod
K0EQH






> Rod,
>
> Sure, I'd pay postage/envelope, etc. for that.? When I have looked it
> over, I'll send it on to Nick for inclusion in his "archives". My info
> is on QRZ, but it is:
>
> Don Cunningham
> 171568 N 2720 RD
> Duncan, OK? 73533
>
> I appreciate getting this, Rod.
> 73,
> Don, WB5HAK
>
>



From donc at martineer.net  Thu Jul 22 15:00:35 2021
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningam)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:00:35 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY news
In-Reply-To: <b760af43c19276516fadb0e107ed6e18.squirrel@mail.wbsnet.org>
References: <b760af43c19276516fadb0e107ed6e18.squirrel@mail.wbsnet.org>
Message-ID: <a950be12-af27-4831-af25-da67d7e98b2b@martineer.net>

What kind of TU's, Rod?
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/22/2021 1:55 PM, radio_man at wbsnet.org wrote:
> Don,
>
> OK, that does it, will mail to Don and he can forward to Nick so all can
> see it if worth while.  Will look for more 'archivable' stuff.   Have some
> TTY manuals and misc items to dispose of. (TU's etc) No sweat on postage.
> Rod
> K0EQH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Rod,
>>
>> Sure, I'd pay postage/envelope, etc. for that.? When I have looked it
>> over, I'll send it on to Nick for inclusion in his "archives". My info
>> is on QRZ, but it is:
>>
>> Don Cunningham
>> 171568 N 2720 RD
>> Duncan, OK? 73533
>>
>> I appreciate getting this, Rod.
>> 73,
>> Don, WB5HAK
>>
>>
>


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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Thu Jul 22 15:20:42 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:20:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Recent NWS Service Change Notice letter... look at the
	bottom!
Message-ID: <2F81F99C-3FE3-4BD6-AE68-6EC90AD587F4@xsmail.com>


NNNN

(!!!)

https://www.weather.gov/media/notification/pdf2/scn21-22svr_ibwaab.pdf

From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Jul 23 10:40:22 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:40:22 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Recent NWS Service Change Notice letter... look at
 the	bottom!
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References: <2F81F99C-3FE3-4BD6-AE68-6EC90AD587F4@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <b5dce84658584c10b92447d927c6dd9e@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

That's awesome!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:21 PM
To: Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Recent NWS Service Change Notice letter... look at the bottom!


NNNN

(!!!)

https://www.weather.gov/media/notification/pdf2/scn21-22svr_ibwaab.pdf
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From k1rdm at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 14:09:26 2021
From: k1rdm at comcast.net (Rick Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:09:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
Message-ID: <63039676-28c0-7997-bf88-b96f3c0bd9e0@comcast.net>

Thanks for all the kind welcomes and the plethora of information and resources.

I have a lot of reading, cleaning, and hopefully only a little tinkering to get the model 33 and the ST-5A TU up and running.  I have a WJ-8716 to hook this up to for some HF copy.

This will be a slow roll through the rest of the summer, since it's right in the middle of car show season, one of my other favorite hobbies.

73
DE K1RDM
NNNN

=====


Welcome,

This is the place for the answers and good side conversations.  Hi hi

Here is a good place to start for manuals and pretty much anything that is out there when it comes to teletype information.

Https://www.navy-radio.com  <https://www.navy-radio.com/>

Here is a link to the Hal information.

https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm  <https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm>

Once again welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.

Daniel Jones
K6YIC


Sent from my iPhone

>/On Jul 21, 2021, at 17:05, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net 
<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys>> wrote: />//>/?New to the list. Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX). Used to have a 
model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something clattering away 
in the basement again. />//>/NOOBY questions. />//>/1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without 
posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and without 
going through the whole archive manually?? />//>/2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a problem 
where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring dislodged. />//>/Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never ending 
repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key) />//>/3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk box? 
for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a little TLC. />//>/Looking for schematics of the TU I have./

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From phearvada at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 17:08:33 2021
From: phearvada at gmail.com (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:08:33 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
In-Reply-To: <63039676-28c0-7997-bf88-b96f3c0bd9e0@comcast.net>
References: <63039676-28c0-7997-bf88-b96f3c0bd9e0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <39B82EC2-7EDA-434B-A1F5-82E7DE994E6E@gmail.com>

Doesn?t the model 33 run too fast for RTTY?

Paul

> On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for all the kind welcomes and the plethora of information and resources.
> 
> I have a lot of reading, cleaning, and hopefully only a little tinkering to get the model 33 and the ST-5A TU up and running.  I have a WJ-8716 to hook this up to for some HF copy.
> 
> This will be a slow roll through the rest of the summer, since it's right in the middle of car show season, one of my other favorite hobbies.
> 
> 73
> DE K1RDM
> NNNN
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> Welcome,
> 
> This is the place for the answers and good side conversations.  Hi hi
> 
> Here is a good place to start for manuals and pretty much anything that is out there when it comes to teletype information.  
> 
> Https://www.navy-radio.com
> 
> Here is a link to the Hal information. 
> 
> https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm
> 
> Once again welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.  
> 
> Daniel Jones
> K6YIC 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 21, 2021, at 17:05, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?New to the list.  Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX).  Used to have a model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something clattering away in the basement again.
> > 
> > NOOBY questions.
> > 
> > 1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and without going through the whole archive manually??
> > 
> > 2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a problem where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring dislodged.
> > 
> >     Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never ending repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key)
> > 
> > 3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk box? for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a little TLC.
> > 
> >     Looking for schematics of the TU I have.
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From k1rdm at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 17:20:38 2021
From: k1rdm at comcast.net (Rick Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 17:20:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
In-Reply-To: <39B82EC2-7EDA-434B-A1F5-82E7DE994E6E@gmail.com>
References: <63039676-28c0-7997-bf88-b96f3c0bd9e0@comcast.net>
	<39B82EC2-7EDA-434B-A1F5-82E7DE994E6E@gmail.com>
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I don't know - maybe.? I had a model 28 before.? So this is different 
territory, and maybe the speed would be a problem.

I just assumed it was a matter of selecting the proper gears for the 
speed you're operating.? And then again, perhaps its the difference 
between 5 vs 8 level ASCII.? Maybe there will have to be an arduino 
project to fake it to operate.


On 7/23/2021 5:08 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
> Doesn?t the model 33 run too fast for RTTY?
>
> Paul
>
>> On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Thanks for all the kind welcomes and the plethora of information and resources.
>>
>> I have a lot of reading, cleaning, and hopefully only a little tinkering to get the model 33 and the ST-5A TU up and running.  I have a WJ-8716 to hook this up to for some HF copy.
>>
>> This will be a slow roll through the rest of the summer, since it's right in the middle of car show season, one of my other favorite hobbies.
>>
>> 73
>> DE K1RDM
>> NNNN
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>> Welcome,
>>
>> This is the place for the answers and good side conversations.  Hi hi
>>
>> Here is a good place to start for manuals and pretty much anything that is out there when it comes to teletype information.
>>
>> Https://www.navy-radio.com  <https://www.navy-radio.com/>
>>
>> Here is a link to the Hal information.
>>
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm  <https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm>
>>
>> Once again welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.
>>
>> Daniel Jones
>> K6YIC
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >/On Jul 21, 2021, at 17:05, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net 
>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys>> wrote: />//>/?New to the list. Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX). Used to 
>> have a model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something 
>> clattering away in the basement again. />//>/NOOBY questions. />//>/1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without 
>> posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and 
>> without going through the whole archive manually?? />//>/2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a 
>> problem where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring 
>> dislodged. />//>/Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never 
>> ending repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key) />//>/3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk 
>> box? for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a 
>> little TLC. />//>/Looking for schematics of the TU I have./
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
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From donc at martineer.net  Fri Jul 23 17:37:00 2021
From: donc at martineer.net (Don Cunningam)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:37:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
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I am pretty sure the Model 33 is ASCII only and I've only seen a few of 
them, mostly in machine shops in the day, but you would need an ASCII to 
Baudot converter to make it work on the HF bands I listen on.? I haven't 
tried any of the military or general coverage bands on HF to see if 
there is any ASCII left there, but I doubt it.? That might be a job of 
the arduino, I am not familiar with those.
73,
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/23/2021 4:20 PM, Rick Miller wrote:
>
> I don't know - maybe.? I had a model 28 before.? So this is different 
> territory, and maybe the speed would be a problem.
>
> I just assumed it was a matter of selecting the proper gears for the 
> speed you're operating.? And then again, perhaps its the difference 
> between 5 vs 8 level ASCII.? Maybe there will have to be an arduino 
> project to fake it to operate.
>
>
> On 7/23/2021 5:08 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
>> Doesn?t the model 33 run too fast for RTTY?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Thanks for all the kind welcomes and the plethora of information and resources.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of reading, cleaning, and hopefully only a little tinkering to get the model 33 and the ST-5A TU up and running.  I have a WJ-8716 to hook this up to for some HF copy.
>>>
>>> This will be a slow roll through the rest of the summer, since it's right in the middle of car show season, one of my other favorite hobbies.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> DE K1RDM
>>> NNNN
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome,
>>>
>>> This is the place for the answers and good side conversations.  Hi hi
>>>
>>> Here is a good place to start for manuals and pretty much anything that is out there when it comes to teletype information.
>>>
>>> Https://www.navy-radio.com  <https://www.navy-radio.com/>
>>>
>>> Here is a link to the Hal information.
>>>
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm  <https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm>
>>>
>>> Once again welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.
>>>
>>> Daniel Jones
>>> K6YIC
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> >/On Jul 21, 2021, at 17:05, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net 
>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys>> wrote: />//>/?New to the list. Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX). Used to 
>>> have a model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something 
>>> clattering away in the basement again. />//>/NOOBY questions. />//>/1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without 
>>> posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and 
>>> without going through the whole archive manually?? />//>/2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a 
>>> problem where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring 
>>> dislodged. />//>/Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never 
>>> ending repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key) />//>/3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk 
>>> box? for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a 
>>> little TLC. />//>/Looking for schematics of the TU I have./
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>>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From jim at k6ccc.org  Fri Jul 23 17:41:16 2021
From: jim at k6ccc.org (jim at k6ccc.org)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
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Yes, the TT M33 is ASCII only.

Jim
K6CCC



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To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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Message delivered to jim at k6ccc.orgI am pretty sure the Model 33 is ASCII only and I've only seen a few of 
them, mostly in machine shops in the day, but you would need an ASCII to 
Baudot converter to make it work on the HF bands I listen on.? I haven't 
tried any of the military or general coverage bands on HF to see if 
there is any ASCII left there, but I doubt it.? That might be a job of 
the arduino, I am not familiar with those.
73,
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/23/2021 4:20 PM, Rick Miller wrote:
>
> I don't know - maybe.? I had a model 28 before.? So this is different 
> territory, and maybe the speed would be a problem.
>
> I just assumed it was a matter of selecting the proper gears for the 
> speed you're operating.? And then again, perhaps its the difference 
> between 5 vs 8 level ASCII.? Maybe there will have to be an arduino 
> project to fake it to operate.
>
>
> On 7/23/2021 5:08 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
>> Doesn?t the model 33 run too fast for RTTY?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Thanks for all the kind welcomes and the plethora of information and resources.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of reading, cleaning, and hopefully only a little tinkering to get the model 33 and the ST-5A TU up and running.  I have a WJ-8716 to hook this up to for some HF copy.
>>>
>>> This will be a slow roll through the rest of the summer, since it's right in the middle of car show season, one of my other favorite hobbies.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> DE K1RDM
>>> NNNN
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome,
>>>
>>> This is the place for the answers and good side conversations.  Hi hi
>>>
>>> Here is a good place to start for manuals and pretty much anything that is out there when it comes to teletype information.
>>>
>>> Https://www.navy-radio.com  <https://www.navy-radio.com/>
>>>
>>> Here is a link to the Hal information.
>>>
>>> https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm  <https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/hal.htm>
>>>
>>> Once again welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.
>>>
>>> Daniel Jones
>>> K6YIC
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> >/On Jul 21, 2021, at 17:05, Rick Miller <k1rdm at comcast.net 
>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys>> wrote: />//>/?New to the list. Name is Rick, K1RDM (formerly KA3BZX). Used to 
>>> have a model 28 RO a long time ago and wanted to get something 
>>> clattering away in the basement again. />//>/NOOBY questions. />//>/1 Is there a way to search the complete archive without 
>>> posting/repeating a question that has already been answered, and 
>>> without going through the whole archive manually?? />//>/2 I just picked up an ASR 33. Needs a good cleaning. Also has a 
>>> problem where it repeats the last key pressed. Probably has a spring 
>>> dislodged. />//>/Looking for information on where to look to resolved the never 
>>> ending repeated letter problem (maybe it's the repeat key) />//>/3 Also have a ST-5A demodulator that has been sitting in my ?junk 
>>> box? for 30 years. I?m looking for some schematics since it needs a 
>>> little TLC. />//>/Looking for schematics of the TU I have./
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From rmowery42 at charter.net  Fri Jul 23 18:21:48 2021
From: rmowery42 at charter.net (Ralph Mowery)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:21:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys
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	<594bd532-0bf1-2c7f-ba01-3cb72b26beb2@martineer.net>
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The 33 is ASCII.  It will not ?talk? to the Baudot machines.  The 33 is probably set for 110 baud  where the most common baudot is 45.45 baud. The 33 is 8 level and the Baudot machines are 5 level.

 

The Arduino is a very small microprocessor board.  Some are the size of a pack of playing cards, some about the size of a pack of chewing gum.  They have about as much processing power as the old 8080 processor.  Plenty fast and enough memory onboard to do the conversion .  I am not ?smart? enough to write a program for them, but years ago I had a 8080 processor board and ?stole ? enough code from others to do the conversion of Baudot to ASCII and ASCII to baudot.  The board only had about 4 K of memory.   The Arduino boards are very inexpensive from China.  Often under $ 5.  

 

If the Arduino will not do it, I am sure the Raspberry PI for about $ 40 will .

 

I doubt any ASCII is being used much if at all on any of the lower frequency bands.  Maybe W1AW is still putting out a bulletin in ASCII .  I have not checked that in a very long time.

 

 

Ralph ku4pt

 

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Cunningam
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 5:37 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys

 

I am pretty sure the Model 33 is ASCII only and I've only seen a few of them, mostly in machine shops in the day, but you would need an ASCII to Baudot converter to make it work on the HF bands I listen on.  I haven't tried any of the military or general coverage bands on HF to see if there is any ASCII left there, but I doubt it.  That might be a job of the arduino, I am not familiar with those.
73,
Don, WB5HAK

On 7/23/2021 4:20 PM, Rick Miller wrote:

I don't know - maybe.  I had a model 28 before.  So this is different territory, and maybe the speed would be a problem. 

I just assumed it was a matter of selecting the proper gears for the speed you're operating.  And then again, perhaps its the difference between 5 vs 8 level ASCII.  Maybe there will have to be an arduino project to fake it to operate.

 

On 7/23/2021 5:08 PM, Paul Heller wrote:

Doesn?t the model 33 run too fast for RTTY?

Paul

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From wcwuttke at att.net  Fri Jul 23 18:48:58 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:48:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 RTTY
References: <1030702096.668362.1627080538143.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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All,

I have an Arduino project on Github that does what you need. It is working fine
on my M33ASR. It probably isn't up to date - it's been a long time since I updated
the code on Github.

https://github.com/wcwuttke/M33_rtty

Contact me with any questions.

Have fun with the M33!

73,
Bill
KE3BK

From phearvada at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 20:16:39 2021
From: phearvada at gmail.com (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:16:39 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 RTTY
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Holy cow! What a fantastic github project, Bill. Thanks for sharing. Do tell more!

How did you physically connect everything? ST-8000 -> Arduino -> Model 33?   Are the interfaces on each side of the Arduino both RS-232? Do you remember kind of Arduino you used? It had two RS-232 ports, or am I way off base?

Does the ST-8000 have RS-232 out? 

Man, sorry for all these questions but this looks like a really fun project to do.

I always wanted to use an ST-8000A for something like this, but there is no way to get RS-232 out of an ST-8000A unless you have a special (unobtainium) board that George Hutchison used to make and sell a long time ago. 

I?ve never found a way to get RS-232 out of an ST-8000A. It sounds to me like the ST-8000 solves the problem if I can find one of those.

73,
Paul
W2TTY


> On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:48 PM, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I have an Arduino project on Github that does what you need. It is working fine
> on my M33ASR. It probably isn't up to date - it's been a long time since I updated
> the code on Github.
> 
> https://github.com/wcwuttke/M33_rtty
> 
> Contact me with any questions.
> 
> Have fun with the M33!
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> KE3BK
> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 21:20:12 2021
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 21:20:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 RTTY
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References: <1030702096.668362.1627080538143.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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another great project to put in the queue...  (sigh!)

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:18 PM Paul Heller <phearvada at gmail.com> wrote:

> Holy cow! What a fantastic github project, Bill. Thanks for sharing. Do
> tell more!
>
> How did you physically connect everything? ST-8000 -> Arduino -> Model
> 33?   Are the interfaces on each side of the Arduino both RS-232? Do you
> remember kind of Arduino you used? It had two RS-232 ports, or am I way off
> base?
>
> Does the ST-8000 have RS-232 out?
>
> Man, sorry for all these questions but this looks like a really fun
> project to do.
>
> I always wanted to use an ST-8000A for something like this, but there is
> no way to get RS-232 out of an ST-8000A unless you have a special
> (unobtainium) board that George Hutchison used to make and sell a long time
> ago.
>
> I?ve never found a way to get RS-232 out of an ST-8000A. It sounds to me
> like the ST-8000 solves the problem if I can find one of those.
>
> 73,
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:48 PM, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I have an Arduino project on Github that does what you need. It is
> working fine
> > on my M33ASR. It probably isn't up to date - it's been a long time since
> I updated
> > the code on Github.
> >
> > https://github.com/wcwuttke/M33_rtty
> >
> > Contact me with any questions.
> >
> > Have fun with the M33!
> >
> > 73,
> > Bill
> > KE3BK
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> >
> >>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Fri Jul 23 20:40:20 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 00:40:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M33 RTTY
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 Hi Paul,

The ST-8000 has RS-232 I/O. I used HCPL-4100 & HCPL-4200 optoisolators to go
loop to/from arduino. I used a cheapo ttl-RS-232 converter for the Arduino RS-232 I/O.

The ST-8000A actually has RS-232 I/O. I modified mine. I removed the MIL connectors and
installed 2 RCA jacks for audio I/O and PTT and DE-9 jacks for RS-232 data and control I/O.
Pictures attached.

Feel free to contact me for particulars.

73,
Bill
KE3BK
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Jul 24 14:40:57 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:40:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] More ongoing Model 15 issues resolved
Message-ID: <0d4101d780bb$71527cf0$53f776d0$@gmail.com>

Hey folks!

 

The mystery of the auto LF on CR has been solved:
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/pc/5407S-iss4-4912.pdf

 

Thanks goes to Chris, KN4OBK, the soon to be proud owner of this Model 15.
He tracked down the official Teletype Specification S-5407 that details how
to add a set of parts to give auto CR/LF when a set right margin carriage
position has been reached, and also provides for auto LF if a CR character
is received.

 

Chris is quickly becoming a knowledgeable TTY mechanic.

 

Thanks Chris for helping us old dogs out!  See you next week, looking
forward to your visit.

 

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From nagle at animats.com  Sat Jul 24 02:13:42 2021
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 23:13:42 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR to LF on Model 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1521.1627103983.3287.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.1521.1627103983.3287.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1aa41284-59d9-80a6-4ab4-9874ebaa5e45@animats.com>

Steve Garrison wrote:> Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR 
option?  If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can 
disable it.

There is a LF on CR option. I have one Model 15 with it, and one
without it. I don't know how it works.  Probably
some mod to the LF code bar. The 1941 manual doesn't mention
that feature, so it may be a later addition, like motor start/stop.
The machine with that feature also has auto CRLF at end of line, around
character 74, so you never pile up at the end of line or overtype a
previous line.

One of the options to my "baudotrss" program is whether this feature
is installed. Then it can compensate. That program also has word wrap.

My software approach to unshift-on-space is that the program has
three typing unit states - FIGS, LTRS, and "unknown". In "unknown"
state, the next character to go out for which the LTRS and FIGS shift
matters is preceded by LTRS or FIGS. When a space is received in
FIGS mode, the state goes to "unknown", to force sending a LTRS
or FIGS before the next character where it matters.

				John Nagle

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Jul 24 17:29:33 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:29:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR to LF on Model 15
In-Reply-To: <1aa41284-59d9-80a6-4ab4-9874ebaa5e45@animats.com>
References: <mailman.1521.1627103983.3287.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<1aa41284-59d9-80a6-4ab4-9874ebaa5e45@animats.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdggq+CsciGxcsk6_T=Rrm+1zZCh8dqt_EePgYyp6S7XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Specification 5407S

https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/pc/5407S-iss4-4912.pdf

Instructions for installing and adjusting the 105382 set of parts or the
106044 set of parts on a Model 15 printer to provide automatic carriage
return and line feed at End of Line and to provide combined carriage return
and line feed upon reception of carriage return selection *-*

Steve Garrison wrote:> Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR
> option?  If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can
> disable it.
>
-- 
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 24 19:05:06 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:05:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
Message-ID: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>

I found this interesting,YMMV
Page 47 of
http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf


John, W9DDD



From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Jul 24 19:13:42 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:13:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR to LF on Model 15
In-Reply-To: <1aa41284-59d9-80a6-4ab4-9874ebaa5e45@animats.com>
References: <mailman.1521.1627103983.3287.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<1aa41284-59d9-80a6-4ab4-9874ebaa5e45@animats.com>
Message-ID: <0dcd01d780e1$8c076210$a4162630$@gmail.com>

And a fine job the "baudotrss' software does!

Steve G./N4TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of John Nagle
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2021 2:14 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CR to LF on Model 15

Steve Garrison wrote:> Does the M15/19 typing unit have a LF on CR option?
If so can someone point me to how it?s implemented so I can disable it.

There is a LF on CR option. I have one Model 15 with it, and one without it.
I don't know how it works.  Probably some mod to the LF code bar. The 1941
manual doesn't mention that feature, so it may be a later addition, like
motor start/stop.
The machine with that feature also has auto CRLF at end of line, around
character 74, so you never pile up at the end of line or overtype a previous
line.

One of the options to my "baudotrss" program is whether this feature is
installed. Then it can compensate. That program also has word wrap.

My software approach to unshift-on-space is that the program has three
typing unit states - FIGS, LTRS, and "unknown". In "unknown"
state, the next character to go out for which the LTRS and FIGS shift
matters is preceded by LTRS or FIGS. When a space is received in FIGS mode,
the state goes to "unknown", to force sending a LTRS or FIGS before the next
character where it matters.

				John Nagle
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 24 22:18:20 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:18:20 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <FFB8EEAB-4D52-4258-88D9-5336826678AA@comcast.net>

Yes very interesting. Some really great photos in there. Thanks for sharing. 

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Jul 24, 2021, at 5:05 PM, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
> 
> ?I found this interesting,YMMV
> Page 47 of
> http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf
> 
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Jul 24 22:31:18 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:31:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <07c2bf0c-ba70-910d-1c68-908a476ec207@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? Note: P 47 of the PDF not the document.

On 7/24/2021 4:05 PM, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
> I found this interesting,YMMV
> Page 47 of
> http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf
>
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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WB6KBL


From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Jul 24 22:43:48 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:43:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <d99e2505-ff3e-5b95-607c-5cd1abb86e91@ix.netcom.com>

 ?? Absolutely fascinating! A real piece of history. There is 
something about this kind of thing that gives me goose bumps.
 ?? Thank you so much. I have only skimmed the book but all of it 
looks very interesting.

On 7/24/2021 4:05 PM, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
> I found this interesting,YMMV
> Page 47 of
> http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf
>
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From richard.dillman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 00:02:29 2021
From: richard.dillman at gmail.com (Richard Dillman)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:02:29 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 4:05 PM w9ddd at tapr.org <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

I found this interesting,YMMV
>

I was pleased to see that the TXC-1 facsimile machine is prominently
featured.  I have persuaded myself that I have perhaps the only working
TXC-1 setup with the machine, power supply, converter *and* the correct
table.  Anyone know of any others?

RD

=========================
Richard Dillman
Inverness Ridge, CA
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul 25 00:19:16 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:19:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
	<CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb73d57959607c602bcd2f43271c079d.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>



> I was pleased to see that the TXC-1 facsimile machine is prominently
> featured.  I have persuaded myself that I have perhaps the only working
> TXC-1 setup with the machine, power supply, converter *and* the correct
> table.  Anyone know of any others?
>
> RD
>
> =========================
> Richard Dillman
> Inverness Ridge, CA
> =========================

Don't know about that machine, but I used to maintain an Alden soggy paper
fax for weather maps at an FAA flight service station.

Also, had nice QSO with K6KPH today on CW.

Harold



-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From phearvada at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 00:26:00 2021
From: phearvada at gmail.com (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 22:26:00 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <07c2bf0c-ba70-910d-1c68-908a476ec207@ix.netcom.com>
References: <07c2bf0c-ba70-910d-1c68-908a476ec207@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <6F99BAFB-9CF4-4632-BCD9-5FAC1AE9A3FB@gmail.com>

Yes page 47! Good find. 

What about that pattern above the characters? I can see that if the upper and lower dots in the latter align vertically it is a dit and if the lower dot is offset one space to the right from the upper dot it is a dah. I?ve not seen that convention before. Was this a kind of thin paper tape that was read into some kind of Morse transmitter? If so, how was the tape made and what was the transmitter? Maybe the book tells me, but I w pent right to page 47.

Paul

> On Jul 24, 2021, at 8:32 PM, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> ?   Note: P 47 of the PDF not the document.
> 
>> On 7/24/2021 4:05 PM, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
>> I found this interesting,YMMV
>> Page 47 of
>> http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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> 
> -- 
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> 
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From j-mcclurg at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 25 00:48:06 2021
From: j-mcclurg at sbcglobal.net (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 04:48:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
	<CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279713795.621895.1627188486398@mail.yahoo.com>

 Richard:
I just moved mine around the garage this week in an attempt to "clean up".......................................
I too have a TXC-1, Table and P.S., but am looking for the Converter.
If you come across one let me know and maybe we can try and send pics .......................................
What are you doing for the Teledos paper??
ChuckN7UVZCarson City,Nevada

    On Saturday, July 24, 2021, 9:04:28 PM PDT, Richard Dillman <richard.dillman at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 4:05 PM w9ddd at tapr.org <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:


I found this interesting,YMMV


I was pleased to see that the TXC-1 facsimile?machine is prominently featured.? I have persuaded myself that I have perhaps the only working TXC-1 setup with the machine, power supply, converter *and* the correct table.? Anyone know of any others?
RD
=========================
Richard DillmanInverness Ridge, CA
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Jul 25 01:57:01 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 22:57:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <6F99BAFB-9CF4-4632-BCD9-5FAC1AE9A3FB@gmail.com>
References: <07c2bf0c-ba70-910d-1c68-908a476ec207@ix.netcom.com>
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 ?? It appears that what we are looking at is two tapes, one a 
Wheatstone tape and adjacent to it (below the letters) a printed 
tape.? At the top you can see the separation, although its 
slight. I think what you are seeing is a very slight gap between 
the edges of the tapes. I have no idea what was used to generate 
the printed tape. It is spaced correctly to match the Wheatstone 
perforations. I am unaware of anything like a typing reperforator 
for Teletype but I am no expert on this stuff. I am pretty sure 
this is NOT a single tape.
 ?? A note: I don't think a Morse to TTY converter (if there was 
such a thing) would create the spaces between the letters to 
follow the length of the perforated characters. Someone on this 
list surely knows.

On 7/24/2021 9:26 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
> Yes page 47! Good find.
>
> What about that pattern above the characters? I can see that if the upper and lower dots in the latter align vertically it is a dit and if the lower dot is offset one space to the right from the upper dot it is a dah. I?ve not seen that convention before. Was this a kind of thin paper tape that was read into some kind of Morse transmitter? If so, how was the tape made and what was the transmitter? Maybe the book tells me, but I w pent right to page 47.
>
> Paul
>
>> On Jul 24, 2021, at 8:32 PM, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?   Note: P 47 of the PDF not the document.
>>
>>> On 7/24/2021 4:05 PM, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
>>> I found this interesting,YMMV
>>> Page 47 of
>>> http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> John, W9DDD
>>>
>>>
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>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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>> -- 
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>> WB6KBL
>>
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From Duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 25 08:08:58 2021
From: Duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncanancy)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 08:08:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.48.1627214995.3284.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

The AWA Museum has an AN/TXC-1, but I don't think anyone has tried to make it work.Duncan?K2OEQ?Sent from my Kleinschmidt TT-4/TG, the US Army's first portable digital communications device, 1950-1980
-------- Original message --------From: Richard Dillman <richard.dillman at gmail.com> Date: 7/25/21  00:09  (GMT-05:00) To: w9ddd at tapr.org Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 4:05 PM w9ddd at tapr.org <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:I found this interesting,YMMVI was pleased to see that the TXC-1 facsimile?machine is prominently featured.? I have persuaded myself that I have perhaps the only working TXC-1 setup with the machine, power supply, converter *and* the correct table.? Anyone know of any others?RD=========================Richard DillmanInverness Ridge, CA=========================
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Jul 25 09:04:51 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 09:04:51 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes
In-Reply-To: <6F99BAFB-9CF4-4632-BCD9-5FAC1AE9A3FB@gmail.com>
References: <07c2bf0c-ba70-910d-1c68-908a476ec207@ix.netcom.com>
	<6F99BAFB-9CF4-4632-BCD9-5FAC1AE9A3FB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdtNPjuKsTXGsA=5LzhsUTz+q5KmHzJ6wy6AM2j_e0MHw@mail.gmail.com>

That?s a Wheatstone tape with the Morse code holes. Photos and info at
https://www.navy-radio.com/morse.htm

I agree that image shows two tapes, one Wheatstone and below it a
hand-typed translation.

Nick

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:27 AM Paul Heller <phearvada at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes page 47! Good find.
>
> What about that pattern above the characters? I can see that if the upper
> and lower dots in the latter align vertically it is a dit and if the lower
> dot is offset one space to the right from the upper dot it is a dah. I?ve
> not seen that convention before. Was this a kind of thin paper tape that
> was read into some kind of Morse transmitter? If so, how was the tape made
> and what was the transmitter? Maybe the book tells me, but I w pent right
> to page 47.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Jul 24, 2021, at 8:32 PM, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?   Note: P 47 of the PDF not the document.
> >
> >> On 7/24/2021 4:05 PM, w9ddd at tapr.org wrote:
> >> I found this interesting,YMMV
> >> Page 47 of
> >>
> http://www.afcommatc.org/uploads/3/4/3/0/34302180/afcc_chrono_1938-1988_windowtofuture.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> John, W9DDD
> >>
> >
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 25 14:21:18 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 14:21:18 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Morse tapes/ FAX
In-Reply-To: <CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A0BC5A84-9BC6-44C0-9DCB-61B54B9092EE@tapr.org>
	<CABy7SBL5zZKH4=1=A_eh9tnhdEGHciY-JK+HUrt8i2qFZangvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2950d9-4f33-c3ff-8be1-2118da0598d8@earthlink.net>

Does anyone know anything about a "RX-3M" FAX recorder?? It is of the 
spiral, hot-wire, type.




Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ



From wcwuttke at att.net  Sun Jul 25 21:46:29 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 01:46:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New (old) TT-7/FG
References: <97520819.715499.1627263989621.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97520819.715499.1627263989621@mail.yahoo.com>

Now the fun begins. Just picked up a TT-7/FG that had been stored in a garage since the late 60's.
No TD but included a REC-13 (what a beast). All keycaps are there. Even has the crank. Motor turns,
but definitely needs lubrication. The rest of the machine needs the standard cleaning, unfreezing, and
lubrication, but is mostly clean and has little corrosion. The 3 knurled knob screws that attach the
typing unit to the base are missing (anyone have any spares?). The case had 60 years of dust on it
but cleaned off well with some Simple Green & hose.

Any suggestions?

Bill
KE3BK




From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 25 22:45:48 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 21:45:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR03MB39973E01E10C88B266990BF4AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>,
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR03MB39973E01E10C88B266990BF4AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107252144020.10526@Frances>

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Nick wrote:

> ?Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the old days ???
> ..... something similar like a teletype machine??
> 
Creed, the company that made Baudot teleprinters in England, also made
Morse equipment and that included a printer.  Marketed by McElroy in the
U.S., shown in a McElroy ad in an old ARRL handbook.  It could not
print directly off the air - you had to copy the material on a Morse
reperforator and then feed the tape into the printer.

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 25 22:55:05 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 02:55:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New (old) TT-7/FG
In-Reply-To: <97520819.715499.1627263989621@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <97520819.715499.1627263989621.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97520819.715499.1627263989621@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1492843036.964547.1627268105456@mail.yahoo.com>

You'll probably want to see Paul, Mr TTY, for parts sometime or other.
mr_rtty at pacbell.net

RTTY Electronics
PO Box 20101
El Sobrante, CA 94820

510-222-3102
WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 25, 2021 6:46 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] New (old) TT-7/FG

Now the fun begins. Just picked up a TT-7/FG that had been stored in a garage since the late 60's.
No TD but included a REC-13 (what a beast). All keycaps are there. Even has the crank. Motor turns,
but definitely needs lubrication. The rest of the machine needs the standard cleaning, unfreezing, and
lubrication, but is mostly clean and has little corrosion. The 3 knurled knob screws that attach the
typing unit to the base are missing (anyone have any spares?). The case had 60 years of dust on it
but cleaned off well with some Simple Green & hose.

Any suggestions?

Bill
KE3BK



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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 06:13:46 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:13:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107252144020.10526@Frances>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB55hNd7Hi1u0MaUTpiwhOxhR9cMyNXzDv0CLRqjZ6ZjyGiWKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cool! I hadn?t ever heard of such a thing. This might be the machine?
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co8005651/no-i-t-morse-tape-printer-1925-telegraph

That description mentions a Wheatstone Reperforator which is also new to
me.

I learned two new things early this morning. Off to a good start.
Nick

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:45 PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Nick wrote:
>
> >  Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the old days ???
> > ..... something similar like a teletype machine?
> >
> Creed, the company that made Baudot teleprinters in England, also made
> Morse equipment and that included a printer.  Marketed by McElroy in the
> U.S., shown in a McElroy ad in an old ARRL handbook.  It could not
> print directly off the air - you had to copy the material on a Morse
> reperforator and then feed the tape into the
> printer.______________________________________________________________
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> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 07:17:22 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:17:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNd7Hi1u0MaUTpiwhOxhR9cMyNXzDv0CLRqjZ6ZjyGiWKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR03MB39973E01E10C88B266990BF4AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107252144020.10526@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd7Hi1u0MaUTpiwhOxhR9cMyNXzDv0CLRqjZ6ZjyGiWKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdib1bVCB6yHDs9zae6QPWH4h45iX67LK1KrZru-iRxEA@mail.gmail.com>

There?s a description of a Creed pneumatically operated Wheatstone
Reperforator and Printer here starting on pdf page 29.
http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/b3_morse_keyboard_perforators.pdf

Sounds! I?ve often remarked that Teletype mechanical engineers were
amazing. I?ll amend that to Teletype and Creed engineers were amazing.
Nick


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 6:13 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cool! I hadn?t ever heard of such a thing. This might be the machine?
>
> https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co8005651/no-i-t-morse-tape-printer-1925-telegraph
>
> That description mentions a Wheatstone Reperforator which is also new to
> me.
>
> I learned two new things early this morning. Off to a good start.
> Nick
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:45 PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Nick wrote:
>>
>> >  Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the old days
>> ???
>> > ..... something similar like a teletype machine?
>> >
>> Creed, the company that made Baudot teleprinters in England, also made
>> Morse equipment and that included a printer.  Marketed by McElroy in the
>> U.S., shown in a McElroy ad in an old ARRL handbook.  It could not
>> print directly off the air - you had to copy the material on a Morse
>> reperforator and then feed the tape into the
>> printer.______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Mon Jul 26 11:36:42 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:36:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdib1bVCB6yHDs9zae6QPWH4h45iX67LK1KrZru-iRxEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR03MB39973E01E10C88B266990BF4AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107252144020.10526@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd7Hi1u0MaUTpiwhOxhR9cMyNXzDv0CLRqjZ6ZjyGiWKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNdib1bVCB6yHDs9zae6QPWH4h45iX67LK1KrZru-iRxEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7ef2664e-e3fb-5a48-51b9-da177aa6a9eb@tapr.org>

It would be interesting to hear the pneumatic stuff run.

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/26/2021 6:17 AM, Nick England wrote:
> There?s a description of a Creed pneumatically operated Wheatstone 
> Reperforator and Printer here starting on pdf page 29.
> http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/b3_morse_keyboard_perforators.pdf
> 
> Sounds! I?ve often remarked that Teletype mechanical engineers were 
> amazing. I?ll amend that to Teletype and Creed engineers were amazing.
> Nick
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 6:13 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Cool! I hadn?t ever heard of such a thing. This might be the machine?
>     https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co8005651/no-i-t-morse-tape-printer-1925-telegraph
> 
>     That description mentions a Wheatstone Reperforator which is also
>     new to me.
> 
>     I learned two new things early this morning. Off to a good start.
>     Nick
> 
>     On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:45 PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net
>     <mailto:jhhaynes at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> 
>         On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Nick wrote:
> 
>          > ?Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the
>         old days ???
>          > ..... something similar like a teletype machine?
>          >
>         Creed, the company that made Baudot teleprinters in England,
>         also made
>         Morse equipment and that included a printer.? Marketed by
>         McElroy in the
>         U.S., shown in a McElroy ad in an old ARRL handbook.? It could not
>         print directly off the air - you had to copy the material on a Morse
>         reperforator and then feed the tape into the
>         printer.______________________________________________________________
>         GreenKeys mailing list
>         Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>         Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>         Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>         <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> 
>          >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>         https://teletype.net/gksearch
>          >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>         http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>          >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>         http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>         http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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> 
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> 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 13:53:10 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:53:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <7ef2664e-e3fb-5a48-51b9-da177aa6a9eb@tapr.org>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNfga6OE9Q_zZhyzVDR4AtSUpm68D0T28nsddkzztPquXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR03MB39973E01E10C88B266990BF4AF159@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2107252144020.10526@Frances>
	<CAB55hNd7Hi1u0MaUTpiwhOxhR9cMyNXzDv0CLRqjZ6ZjyGiWKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNdib1bVCB6yHDs9zae6QPWH4h45iX67LK1KrZru-iRxEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7ef2664e-e3fb-5a48-51b9-da177aa6a9eb@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfygygxFEF1sRn+CCw1gVh+f00aX_JT2V5TASpEcLix0A@mail.gmail.com>

Sound effects. Scroll down to see more of interest.
https://www.pond5.com/sound-effects/item/8633846-creed-tapeprinting-telegraph-operating

Not the pneumatic but later motorized version I think.

Nick

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:36 AM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> It would be interesting to hear the pneumatic stuff run.
>
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 7/26/2021 6:17 AM, Nick England wrote:
> > There?s a description of a Creed pneumatically operated Wheatstone
> > Reperforator and Printer here starting on pdf page 29.
> >
> http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/b3_morse_keyboard_perforators.pdf
> >
> > Sounds! I?ve often remarked that Teletype mechanical engineers were
> > amazing. I?ll amend that to Teletype and Creed engineers were amazing.
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 6:13 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com
> > <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Cool! I hadn?t ever heard of such a thing. This might be the machine?
> >
> https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co8005651/no-i-t-morse-tape-printer-1925-telegraph
> >
> >     That description mentions a Wheatstone Reperforator which is also
> >     new to me.
> >
> >     I learned two new things early this morning. Off to a good start.
> >     Nick
> >
> >     On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:45 PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net
> >     <mailto:jhhaynes at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> >
> >         On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Nick wrote:
> >
> >          >  Nick, was there ever a machine to decode a CW signal in the
> >         old days ???
> >          > ..... something similar like a teletype machine?
> >          >
> >         Creed, the company that made Baudot teleprinters in England,
> >         also made
> >         Morse equipment and that included a printer.  Marketed by
> >         McElroy in the
> >         U.S., shown in a McElroy ad in an old ARRL handbook.  It could
> not
> >         print directly off the air - you had to copy the material on a
> Morse
> >         reperforator and then feed the tape into the
> >
>  printer.______________________________________________________________
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 15:19:50 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 15:19:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfygygxFEF1sRn+CCw1gVh+f00aX_JT2V5TASpEcLix0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>,
	<7ef2664e-e3fb-5a48-51b9-da177aa6a9eb@tapr.org>,
	<CAB55hNfygygxFEF1sRn+CCw1gVh+f00aX_JT2V5TASpEcLix0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FF0AD6.31505.55D87D1E@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 26 Jul 2021 at 13:53, Nick England wrote:

> Sound effects. Scroll down to see more of interest.
> https://www.pond5.com/sound-effects/item/8633846-creed-tapeprinting-
> telegraph-operating
> 
> Not the pneumatic but later motorized version I think.

too bad it doesn't show the machine working 
at the same time ...   but thanks. 



From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 15:33:06 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 15:33:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone Tape setup 1930
In-Reply-To: <60FF0AD6.31505.55D87D1E@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <3ce6676be92ce87b3b4fbc826ca17e02.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<7ef2664e-e3fb-5a48-51b9-da177aa6a9eb@tapr.org>
	<CAB55hNfygygxFEF1sRn+CCw1gVh+f00aX_JT2V5TASpEcLix0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<60FF0AD6.31505.55D87D1E@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNchpFXpGM58qy8Cjpy9vBzq8+RRmx1yawbBOKYv9s1x5w@mail.gmail.com>

I went looking for film clips of these machines in operation but no luck so far.
Here are photos of the Creed machines
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/people/cp12944/creed-and-company-limited

Maybe someone in London will fire them up!

Nick England K4NYW
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 11:45:07 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:45:07 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
Message-ID: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>

Well here I am again!

 

Is there an adjustment that I've been unable to discover that might explain
the back and forth 'rocking' (only word I could come up with) of the
carriage when the M15 printing?  Hope that is clear enough.  I'm not
referring to rocking where the left and right sides of the carriage seem to
pivot around the 'Z' axis, but where the front and back of the carriage seem
to pivot around the 'X' axis.

 

The Basket Guide Roller Assemblies on both sides of the carriage do not stay
in contact with the Lower Track as the Printing Bail Blade moves back and
forth, causing the rollers to lift as the bail moves to the rear and to come
back in contact as the bail moves forward.

 

Maybe this is normal, but, at least to me, does not seem like it should be.
I just haven't had as much experience with 15/19s to know.

 

Can anyone advise?   John Nagle are you out there this morning?

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 14:21:46 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 13:21:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfdc584f-cb9c-2864-77a6-cd17d161cb83@tapr.org>

Maybe the carriage guide screws need adjusting?

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/27/2021 10:45 AM, Steve Garrison wrote:
>
> Well here I am again!
>
> Is there an adjustment that I?ve been unable to discover that might 
> explain the back and forth ?rocking? (only word I could come up with) 
> of the carriage when the M15 printing?? Hope that is clear enough.? 
> I?m not referring to rocking where the left and right sides of the 
> carriage seem to pivot around the ?Z? axis, but where the front and 
> back of the carriage seem to pivot around the ?X? axis.
>
> The Basket Guide Roller Assemblies on both sides of the carriage do 
> not stay in contact with the Lower Track as the Printing Bail Blade 
> moves back and forth, causing the rollers to lift as the bail moves to 
> the rear and to come back in contact as the bail moves forward.
>
> Maybe this is normal, but, at least to me, does not seem like it 
> should be.?? I just haven?t had as much experience with 15/19s to know.
>
> Can anyone advise??? John Nagle are you out there this morning?
>
> Steve G./N4TTY
>
>
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 16:55:47 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:55:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <bfdc584f-cb9c-2864-77a6-cd17d161cb83@tapr.org>
References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
	<bfdc584f-cb9c-2864-77a6-cd17d161cb83@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <000201d78329$c6e4f330$54aed990$@gmail.com>

Thought of that myself, but can you give any direction on how to accomplish
that adjustment?  Short of removing the Bell Crank Mounting Plate?  And even
then they are slotted screw heads; easy enough to loosen the locking nuts
with a small wrench, but it sure would have been a little easier with hex
headed screws!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:22 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues

 

Maybe the carriage guide screws need adjusting?  



---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/27/2021 10:45 AM, Steve Garrison wrote:

Well here I am again!

 

Is there an adjustment that I've been unable to discover that might explain
the back and forth 'rocking' (only word I could come up with) of the
carriage when the M15 printing?  Hope that is clear enough.  I'm not
referring to rocking where the left and right sides of the carriage seem to
pivot around the 'Z' axis, but where the front and back of the carriage seem
to pivot around the 'X' axis.

 

The Basket Guide Roller Assemblies on both sides of the carriage do not stay
in contact with the Lower Track as the Printing Bail Blade moves back and
forth, causing the rollers to lift as the bail moves to the rear and to come
back in contact as the bail moves forward.

 

Maybe this is normal, but, at least to me, does not seem like it should be.
I just haven't had as much experience with 15/19s to know.

 

Can anyone advise?   John Nagle are you out there this morning?

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 






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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 17:07:04 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:07:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <000201d78329$c6e4f330$54aed990$@gmail.com>
References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
	<bfdc584f-cb9c-2864-77a6-cd17d161cb83@tapr.org>
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Sorry can't help you there.  I tried standing on my head and couldn't 
see what the head was other than it wasn't a hex.  So I had to assume 
slotted, since Teletype didn't seem to use and other choices other than 
an occasional Allen set screw.

I'd hate to think you had to remove the basket, tweak then re-install to 
check.  One of the smarter guys here should have the answer.

Are you even able to check the clearance of 5 mils? Doesn't look like 
you can get a standard feeler gauge in there.

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/27/2021 3:55 PM, Steve Garrison wrote:
> Thought of that myself, but can you give any direction on how to 
> accomplish that adjustment?? Short of removing the Bell Crank Mounting 
> Plate?? And even then they are slotted screw heads; easy enough to 
> loosen the locking nuts with a small wrench, but it sure would have been 
> a little easier with hex headed screws!
> 
> Steve G./N4TTY
> 
> *From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *John, W9DDD
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:22 PM
> *To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
> 
> Maybe the carriage guide screws need adjusting?
> 
> ---
> 
> ----
> 
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 7/27/2021 10:45 AM, Steve Garrison wrote:
> 
>     Well here I am again!
> 
>     Is there an adjustment that I?ve been unable to discover that might
>     explain the back and forth ?rocking? (only word I could come up
>     with) of the carriage when the M15 printing?? Hope that is clear
>     enough.? I?m not referring to rocking where the left and right sides
>     of the carriage seem to pivot around the ?Z? axis, but where the
>     front and back of the carriage seem to pivot around the ?X? axis.
> 
>     The Basket Guide Roller Assemblies on both sides of the carriage do
>     not stay in contact with the Lower Track as the Printing Bail Blade
>     moves back and forth, causing the rollers to lift as the bail moves
>     to the rear and to come back in contact as the bail moves forward.
> 
>     Maybe this is normal, but, at least to me, does not seem like it
>     should be.?? I just haven?t had as much experience with 15/19s to know.
> 
>     Can anyone advise??? John Nagle are you out there this morning?
> 
>     Steve G./N4TTY
> 
> 
> 
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 17:49:09 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:49:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <4e7c8c4c-04e0-2cdb-4487-e94ea610aa1b@tapr.org>
References: <4e7c8c4c-04e0-2cdb-4487-e94ea610aa1b@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <C3D6FD0C-ADD4-4E9E-AC55-747DFD595E13@gmail.com>

Maybe if I wasn?t so fat headed  I could stand on my head and make that adjustment.  I would almost bet that the original carriage was adjusted such that it didn?t have that ?rocking? motion as I referred to it.  With just a clearance of .008? there definitely wouldn?t be a lot of rocking.  And there is quite a bit more than .008? right now!

Steve G./N4TTY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2021, at 5:07 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Sorry can't help you there.  I tried standing on my head and couldn't see what the head was other than it wasn't a hex.  So I had to assume slotted, since Teletype didn't seem to use and other choices other than an occasional Allen set screw.
> 
> I'd hate to think you had to remove the basket, tweak then re-install to check.  One of the smarter guys here should have the answer.
> 
> Are you even able to check the clearance of 5 mils? Doesn't look like you can get a standard feeler gauge in there.
> 
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
> 
>> On 7/27/2021 3:55 PM, Steve Garrison wrote:
>> Thought of that myself, but can you give any direction on how to accomplish that adjustment?  Short of removing the Bell Crank Mounting Plate?  And even then they are slotted screw heads; easy enough to loosen the locking nuts with a small wrench, but it sure would have been a little easier with hex headed screws!
>> Steve G./N4TTY
>> *From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *John, W9DDD
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:22 PM
>> *To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
>> Maybe the carriage guide screws need adjusting?
>> ---
>> ----
>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>> John, W9DDD
>> On 7/27/2021 10:45 AM, Steve Garrison wrote:
>>    Well here I am again!
>>    Is there an adjustment that I?ve been unable to discover that might
>>    explain the back and forth ?rocking? (only word I could come up
>>    with) of the carriage when the M15 printing?  Hope that is clear
>>    enough.  I?m not referring to rocking where the left and right sides
>>    of the carriage seem to pivot around the ?Z? axis, but where the
>>    front and back of the carriage seem to pivot around the ?X? axis.
>>    The Basket Guide Roller Assemblies on both sides of the carriage do
>>    not stay in contact with the Lower Track as the Printing Bail Blade
>>    moves back and forth, causing the rollers to lift as the bail moves
>>    to the rear and to come back in contact as the bail moves forward.
>>    Maybe this is normal, but, at least to me, does not seem like it
>>    should be.   I just haven?t had as much experience with 15/19s to know.
>>    Can anyone advise?   John Nagle are you out there this morning?
>>    Steve G./N4TTY
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Jul 27 17:52:46 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <4e7c8c4c-04e0-2cdb-4487-e94ea610aa1b@tapr.org>
References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
	<bfdc584f-cb9c-2864-77a6-cd17d161cb83@tapr.org>
	<000201d78329$c6e4f330$54aed990$@gmail.com>
	<4e7c8c4c-04e0-2cdb-4487-e94ea610aa1b@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <F4B2014E-5575-4DB4-AC5B-68C9295EFAAF@xsmail.com>


Ooh, this is an interesting topic!  Having not taken off the baskets off of my 19?s in maybe half a year, I just went down to have a look.  Photos attached.  The areas in the red circles are the only parts on the basket that make contact with the printing unit.  Also attached is a photo of one those two, fun screws that might be an issue.  You might be able to get around loosening them up with some needle nose pliers, but maybe also expect some chewed up metal in the process.

As I remember, I?ve had the basket dance around when the *insert name here* between the blades isn?t seated place, in-between the blades like it should be? but if it is printing - which I?m not 100% sure if it s correctly or not, this may not be the case.  That being said ? after glancing over your first email Steve, the *part name here* being out of place could be your issue - but as almost the case, I could (probably) be wrong ;p .

Anywho, hope this helps and good luck ^^ !



> On Jul 27, 2021, at 4:07 pm, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> Sorry can't help you there.  I tried standing on my head and couldn't see what the head was other than it wasn't a hex.  So I had to assume slotted, since Teletype didn't seem to use and other choices other than an occasional Allen set screw.
> 
> I'd hate to think you had to remove the basket, tweak then re-install to check.  One of the smarter guys here should have the answer.
> 
> Are you even able to check the clearance of 5 mils? Doesn't look like you can get a standard feeler gauge in there.
> 
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 18:29:37 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:29:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
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In the 4 photos you sent, the one in the lower left, as displayed on my screen when I opened the email (the one with no red circles), shows one of the screws that John, W9DDD, was referring to.  And I can see from your photo that your machine doesn?t have much clearance between the screw head and the top of the slot it rides in.  My machine, or should I say Chris? machine, has a very large clearance, so I?m now convinced that is the issue.  Now just to figure our how to make the adjustment.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of E.
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:53 PM
To: Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues

 

 

Ooh, this is an interesting topic!  Having not taken off the baskets off of my 19?s in maybe half a year, I just went down to have a look.  Photos attached.  The areas in the red circles are the only parts on the basket that make contact with the printing unit.  Also attached is a photo of one those two, fun screws that might be an issue.  You might be able to get around loosening them up with some needle nose pliers, but maybe also expect some chewed up metal in the process.

 

As I remember, I?ve had the basket dance around when the *insert name here* between the blades isn?t seated place, in-between the blades like it should be? but if it is printing - which I?m not 100% sure if it s correctly or not, this may not be the case.  That being said ? after glancing over your first email Steve, the *part name here* being out of place could be your issue - but as almost the case, I could (probably) be wrong ;p .

 

Anywho, hope this helps and good luck ^^ !

 








On Jul 27, 2021, at 4:07 pm, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org> > wrote:

Sorry can't help you there.  I tried standing on my head and couldn't see what the head was other than it wasn't a hex.  So I had to assume slotted, since Teletype didn't seem to use and other choices other than an occasional Allen set screw.

I'd hate to think you had to remove the basket, tweak then re-install to check.  One of the smarter guys here should have the answer.

Are you even able to check the clearance of 5 mils? Doesn't look like you can get a standard feeler gauge in there.

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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Jul 27 18:44:39 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:44:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
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References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
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As I remember on my three 19s, the screws are ?tight? or ?firm" against the rail? not abrasive nor any friction, but there?s very little room for any movement.  This might be the key!

It?s really not that hard to get the basket off.  Just flip the one lever on the left side, unhook the carriage return ribbon (careful for the snapback on the spool!) and just slide ?er off ;p .  Getting it back on is a little trickier, as you have to line everything up just right (and also wind the spool enough to return the carriage right / get the ribbon back on the type basket)? but do it enough times, it gets pretty easy with some practice :) .  As I remember, that one part that I can?t remember the name of (in-between the blades) has to be unlocked and able to move freely, to get things off and back on.

(it?d probably just be easiest to measure how much you need to screw the screw in while on the rails and then do it while measuring when off)


> On Jul 27, 2021, at 5:29 pm, Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In the 4 photos you sent, the one in the lower left, as displayed on my screen when I opened the email (the one with no red circles), shows one of the screws that John, W9DDD, was referring to.  And I can see from your photo that your machine doesn?t have much clearance between the screw head and the top of the slot it rides in.  My machine, or should I say Chris? machine, has a very large clearance, so I?m now convinced that is the issue.  Now just to figure our how to make the adjustment.
>  
> Steve G./N4TTY
>  
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of E.
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:53 PM
> To: Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
>  
>  
> Ooh, this is an interesting topic!  Having not taken off the baskets off of my 19?s in maybe half a year, I just went down to have a look.  Photos attached.  The areas in the red circles are the only parts on the basket that make contact with the printing unit.  Also attached is a photo of one those two, fun screws that might be an issue.  You might be able to get around loosening them up with some needle nose pliers, but maybe also expect some chewed up metal in the process.
>  
> As I remember, I?ve had the basket dance around when the *insert name here* between the blades isn?t seated place, in-between the blades like it should be? but if it is printing - which I?m not 100% sure if it s correctly or not, this may not be the case.  That being said ? after glancing over your first email Steve, the *part name here* being out of place could be your issue - but as almost the case, I could (probably) be wrong ;p .
>  
> Anywho, hope this helps and good luck ^^ !
>  
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg><image003.jpg><image004.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 4:07 pm, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry can't help you there.  I tried standing on my head and couldn't see what the head was other than it wasn't a hex.  So I had to assume slotted, since Teletype didn't seem to use and other choices other than an occasional Allen set screw.
>> 
>> I'd hate to think you had to remove the basket, tweak then re-install to check.  One of the smarter guys here should have the answer.
>> 
>> Are you even able to check the clearance of 5 mils? Doesn't look like you can get a standard feeler gauge in there.
>> 
>> ---
>> ----
>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>> John, W9DDD


From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 18:54:50 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:54:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <27632625-1844-450A-9B8A-11F90D5A7145@xsmail.com>
References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>,
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	<27632625-1844-450A-9B8A-11F90D5A7145@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <61008EBA.7988.5BC3AD7F@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 27 Jul 2021 at 17:44, E. wrote:

> unhook the carriage return ribbon (careful for
> the snapback on the spool!)

I strongly suggest you carefully lift the flat 
carriage return ribbon metal tab on the end 
off the post, holding it with narrow nose pliers; 
then slip a paper clip thru the hole, and fasten 
the paper clip on something on the left that is 
stable.   This will prevent the spring spool from 
totally unwinding -- it will take you forever to get 
the spring spool wound to the proper tension for 
good carriage return if you just let it unwind. 

w2jc


From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 27 19:12:29 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 23:12:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
In-Reply-To: <61008EBA.7988.5BC3AD7F@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <038801d782fe$60348e00$209daa00$@gmail.com>
	<002f01d78336$e2503960$a6f0ac20$@gmail.com>
	<27632625-1844-450A-9B8A-11F90D5A7145@xsmail.com>
	<61008EBA.7988.5BC3AD7F@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
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IIRC, the maintenance manuals tell you how many turns to wind the spring drum.
Wayne
WB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2021 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues

On 27 Jul 2021 at 17:44, E. wrote:

> unhook the carriage return ribbon (careful for
> the snapback on the spool!)

I strongly suggest you carefully lift the flat 
carriage return ribbon metal tab on the end 
off the post, holding it with narrow nose pliers; 
then slip a paper clip thru the hole, and fasten 
the paper clip on something on the left that is 
stable.? This will prevent the spring spool from 
totally unwinding -- it will take you forever to get 
the spring spool wound to the proper tension for 
good carriage return if you just let it unwind. 

w2jc

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 19:20:15 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:20:15 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
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Seems like the manual had a suggest where to hook it.  138B has instructions for removing the basket.  I think on a fairly early page.  I took that to mean some adjusts or lubrication requires it to be removed to do them properly. 

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:12 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> 
> IIRC, the maintenance manuals tell you how many turns to wind the spring drum.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2021 3:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
> 
> On 27 Jul 2021 at 17:44, E. wrote:
> 
> > unhook the carriage return ribbon (careful for
> > the snapback on the spool!)
> 
> I strongly suggest you carefully lift the flat 
> carriage return ribbon metal tab on the end 
> off the post, holding it with narrow nose pliers; 
> then slip a paper clip thru the hole, and fasten 
> the paper clip on something on the left that is 
> stable.  This will prevent the spring spool from 
> totally unwinding -- it will take you forever to get 
> the spring spool wound to the proper tension for 
> good carriage return if you just let it unwind. 
> 
> w2jc
> 
> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 19:26:21 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (w9ddd at tapr.org)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:26:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
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Page 12 (PDF count).

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:20 PM, "w9ddd at tapr.org" <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> Seems like the manual had a suggest where to hook it.  138B has instructions for removing the basket.  I think on a fairly early page.  I took that to mean some adjusts or lubrication requires it to be removed to do them properly. 
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:12 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
>> 
>> IIRC, the maintenance manuals tell you how many turns to wind the spring drum.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> WB4OGM
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com>
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2021 3:54 pm
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ongoing Model 15 Issues
>> 
>> On 27 Jul 2021 at 17:44, E. wrote:
>> 
>> > unhook the carriage return ribbon (careful for
>> > the snapback on the spool!)
>> 
>> I strongly suggest you carefully lift the flat 
>> carriage return ribbon metal tab on the end 
>> off the post, holding it with narrow nose pliers; 
>> then slip a paper clip thru the hole, and fasten 
>> the paper clip on something on the left that is 
>> stable.  This will prevent the spring spool from 
>> totally unwinding -- it will take you forever to get 
>> the spring spool wound to the proper tension for 
>> good carriage return if you just let it unwind. 
>> 
>> w2jc
>> 
>> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 20:14:33 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:14:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
Message-ID: <ba915c46-a8bc-9b68-1175-1a83506dc74e@tapr.org>

I assume it's having troubles?

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From wcwuttke at att.net  Tue Jul 27 20:29:04 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 00:29:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-7/FG Restoration in Progress
References: <1835023484.428449.1627432144086.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1835023484.428449.1627432144086@mail.yahoo.com>

So far, the motor runs (and turns on/off with the switch), the pulling selector magnets read 230 ohms (OK),
and I have cleaned the right side of the base. However, I have tried to pull the type basket (following 138B
instructions), but it won't move. It wiggles ever so slightly along the carriage track.
Something is frozen - where to look? Ribbon shafts are also frozen.

Thanks,
Bill
KE3BK

From wcwuttke at att.net  Tue Jul 27 20:37:58 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 00:37:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
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I'm getting a constant space.

Bill
KE3BK     On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:  
 
 I assume it's having troubles?

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 21:06:07 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:06:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
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Yes, constant space and then if prints for a while then gets stuck on 
space again.

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On 7/27/2021 7:37 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
> 
> I'm getting a constant space.
> 
> Bill
> KE3BK
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I assume it's having troubles?
> 
> -- 
> ---
> ----
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> John, W9DDD
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>  >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>  >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>  >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 27 22:52:32 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:52:32 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
In-Reply-To: <cda3a23d-e375-5d9e-b3a3-60cfe6815dca@tapr.org>
References: <ba915c46-a8bc-9b68-1175-1a83506dc74e@tapr.org>
	<1756428719.437591.1627432678424@mail.yahoo.com>
	<cda3a23d-e375-5d9e-b3a3-60cfe6815dca@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <55CD9A39-4825-43C5-94A2-537EFEE97A34@comcast.net>

I?m sorry that I could not get to this sooner. I wonder if it cleared itself because it seems to be working for me.  Please advise what you guys are seeing and report if there are still problems. Thank you.


Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003 or 468466

ITTY:  		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100:  	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE


> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:06 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, constant space and then if prints for a while then gets stuck on space again.
> 
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 7/27/2021 7:37 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
>> I'm getting a constant space.
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> I assume it's having troubles?
>> -- 
>> ---
>> ----
>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>> John, W9DDD
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net> <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch <https://teletype.net/gksearch>
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html <http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html <http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>
>> Message delivered to wcwuttke at att.net <mailto:wcwuttke at att.net> <mailto:wcwuttke at att.net <mailto:wcwuttke at att.net>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch <https://teletype.net/gksearch>
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html <http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html <http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html>
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Jul 27 22:55:02 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:55:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
In-Reply-To: <55CD9A39-4825-43C5-94A2-537EFEE97A34@comcast.net>
References: <ba915c46-a8bc-9b68-1175-1a83506dc74e@tapr.org>
	<1756428719.437591.1627432678424@mail.yahoo.com>
	<cda3a23d-e375-5d9e-b3a3-60cfe6815dca@tapr.org>
	<55CD9A39-4825-43C5-94A2-537EFEE97A34@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <aed5bc8b-3bec-22b0-bbce-ac6532748038@tapr.org>

It seems to be working OK at the present.  It just needed to know you 
were watching?

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/27/2021 9:52 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
> I?m sorry that I could not get to this sooner. I wonder if it cleared 
> itself because it seems to be working for me. ?Please advise what you 
> guys are seeing and report if there are still problems. Thank you.
> 
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> i-Telex: 80003 or 468466
> 
> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 
> <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
> AUTOSTART: ?HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE 
> <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:06 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org 
>> <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, constant space and then if prints for a while then gets stuck on 
>> space again.
>>
>> ---
>> ----
>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>> On 7/27/2021 7:37 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
>>> I'm getting a constant space.
>>> Bill
>>> KE3BK
>>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD 
>>> <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>>> I assume it's having troubles?
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> ----
>>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>>> John, W9DDD
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search 
>>> Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys 
>>> archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys 
>>> archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search 
>>> Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
>>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered towcwuttke at att.net 
>>> <mailto:wcwuttke at att.net><mailto:wcwuttke at att.net>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search 
>>>>> Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys 
>>>>> archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys 
>>>>> archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search 
>>>>> Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> 

From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Jul 27 23:31:09 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:31:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union Teletype 28ASR in Palm Springs CA
Message-ID: <20273ea9fee92c16e1eb4f1ea6595b4f.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

I heard this is available through the Telecom History Group:

Western Union Teletype 28ASR
Palm Springs CA
Contact Damien Dziepak at science000 at roadrunner.com

Harold


-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 27 23:33:18 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:33:18 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
In-Reply-To: <aed5bc8b-3bec-22b0-bbce-ac6532748038@tapr.org>
References: <ba915c46-a8bc-9b68-1175-1a83506dc74e@tapr.org>
	<1756428719.437591.1627432678424@mail.yahoo.com>
	<cda3a23d-e375-5d9e-b3a3-60cfe6815dca@tapr.org>
	<55CD9A39-4825-43C5-94A2-537EFEE97A34@comcast.net>
	<aed5bc8b-3bec-22b0-bbce-ac6532748038@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <A87C849A-1B1D-4F33-9E89-226348F29DE1@comcast.net>

Thanks for the signal report, John.

Paul
W2TTY


> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:55 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> It seems to be working OK at the present.  It just needed to know you were watching?
> 
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
> 
> On 7/27/2021 9:52 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
>> I?m sorry that I could not get to this sooner. I wonder if it cleared itself because it seems to be working for me.  Please advise what you guys are seeing and report if there are still problems. Thank you.
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>> i-Telex: 80003 or 468466
>> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
>> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
>> AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
>> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:06 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, constant space and then if prints for a while then gets stuck on space again.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> ----
>>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>>> John, W9DDD
>>> 
>>> On 7/27/2021 7:37 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
>>>> I'm getting a constant space.
>>>> Bill
>>>> KE3BK
>>>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>>>> I assume it's having troubles?
>>>> --
>>>> ---
>>>> ----
>>>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
>>>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>> Message delivered towcwuttke at att.net <mailto:wcwuttke at att.net><mailto:wcwuttke at att.net>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
>>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> ______________________________________________________________
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> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From wcwuttke at att.net  Tue Jul 27 23:38:35 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 03:38:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
In-Reply-To: <A87C849A-1B1D-4F33-9E89-226348F29DE1@comcast.net>
References: <ba915c46-a8bc-9b68-1175-1a83506dc74e@tapr.org>
	<1756428719.437591.1627432678424@mail.yahoo.com>
	<cda3a23d-e375-5d9e-b3a3-60cfe6815dca@tapr.org>
	<55CD9A39-4825-43C5-94A2-537EFEE97A34@comcast.net>
	<aed5bc8b-3bec-22b0-bbce-ac6532748038@tapr.org>
	<A87C849A-1B1D-4F33-9E89-226348F29DE1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1385148770.476935.1627443515961@mail.yahoo.com>

 I usually have the Dovetron and my RTTY program running 24 hrs. I've noticed
this problem a few times in the past couple of days.

Bill
KE3BK
     On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 08:33:22 PM PDT, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the signal report, John.

Paul
W2TTY


On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:55 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
It seems to be working OK at the present. ?It just needed to know you were watching?

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/27/2021 9:52 PM, Paul Heller wrote:

I?m sorry that I could not get to this sooner. I wonder if it cleared itself because it seems to be working for me. ?Please advise what you guys are seeing and report if there are still problems. Thank you.
Paul
W2TTY
i-Telex: 80003 or 468466
ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
AUTOSTART: ?HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>

On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:06 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:

Yes, constant space and then if prints for a while then gets stuck on space again.

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 7/27/2021 7:37 PM, William Wuttke wrote:

I'm getting a constant space.
Bill
KE3BK
On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
I assume it's having troubles?
--
---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD
______________________________________________________________
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Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net/>
Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html




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Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net




Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html




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From wcwuttke at att.net  Tue Jul 27 23:43:36 2021
From: wcwuttke at att.net (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 03:43:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-7/FG Restoration in Progress
In-Reply-To: <1835023484.428449.1627432144086@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1835023484.428449.1627432144086.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1835023484.428449.1627432144086@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2001340855.124501.1627443816513@mail.yahoo.com>

 Well, I gave the type basket an extra wiggle or two and it now moves the way it is
supposed to. 50+ years of storage in a garage takes its toll. Progress.....

Bill
KE3BK
     On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:29:20 PM PDT, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:  
 
 So far, the motor runs (and turns on/off with the switch), the pulling selector magnets read 230 ohms (OK),
and I have cleaned the right side of the base. However, I have tried to pull the type basket (following 138B
instructions), but it won't move. It wiggles ever so slightly along the carriage track.
Something is frozen - where to look? Ribbon shafts are also frozen.

Thanks,
Bill
KE3BK
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Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net

>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html

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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 28 00:17:19 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 22:17:19 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY
In-Reply-To: <1385148770.476935.1627443515961@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1385148770.476935.1627443515961@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29016EFE-2013-4906-B480-311F9393985F@comcast.net>

Thanks Bill. I will reboot everything tomorrow after consulting with Tom Tillson 

Paul
W2TTY

> On Jul 27, 2021, at 9:39 PM, William Wuttke <wcwuttke at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I usually have the Dovetron and my RTTY program running 24 hrs. I've noticed
> this problem a few times in the past couple of days.
> 
> Bill
> KE3BK
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 08:33:22 PM PDT, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the signal report, John.
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:55 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It seems to be working OK at the present.  It just needed to know you were watching?
>> 
>> ---
>> ----
>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
>> On 7/27/2021 9:52 PM, Paul Heller wrote:
>>> I?m sorry that I could not get to this sooner. I wonder if it cleared itself because it seems to be working for me.  Please advise what you guys are seeing and report if there are still problems. Thank you.
>>> Paul
>>> W2TTY
>>> i-Telex: 80003 or 468466
>>> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY>
>>> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100 <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8010/ITTY100>
>>> AUTOSTART:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
>>> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE <HTTP://internet-tty.net:8040/EUROPE>
>>>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:06 PM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, constant space and then if prints for a while then gets stuck on space again.
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> ----
>>>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>>>> John, W9DDD
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/27/2021 7:37 PM, William Wuttke wrote:
>>>>> I'm getting a constant space.
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> KE3BK
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 05:14:42 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>>>>> I assume it's having troubles?
>>>>> --
>>>>> ---
>>>>> ----
>>>>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>>>>> John, W9DDD
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From hootsk at gmail.com  Wed Jul 28 12:00:29 2021
From: hootsk at gmail.com (Chuck Robertson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 12:00:29 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] New guy says hello
Message-ID: <CANNgJpkgn5vXUJWHKNcGeV_j7yA1X2mna3RxsO8v68_n7yvrag@mail.gmail.com>

Hello GreenKeys,

This is my first post. I hope I'm in the right place.

These days I work for an unscripted TV network and try to write scripted
shows on the side with other writers. But I used to write for newspapers
and magazines, and I was there when the teletype machines were replaced
first by dedicated PCs or terminals, and later their feeds came directly to
our desks.

It was certainly more efficient, but we lost something too. At a student
newspaper I worked at we had a whole room of teletypes behind a door,
to muffle their hum in the newsroom. This was the '90s, so some had fallen
mostly silent, like the UPI machine. There'd be an occasional clack or
burst of typing. But a few, like the AP, needed its roll changed
constantly. When a big event had just occurred, they all sprang to life
together, and the noise was deafening. It was the sound of drop-everything
urgency. Everyone bolted into the little room, and whoever got there first
would shout out the words to the crowd pushing in through the door as they
hit the paper.

Some of the youngest writers and script readers enjoy reading scripts
typed on paper, which is an opportunity not to be taken lightly. Some even
type on old typewriters, but I'm used to the benefits of word processors.
By now you know what I'm going to ask: I'm wondering if I could repurpose a
teletype machine to type the scripts from my Mac laptop, either on pages or
a roll, combining new and old technologies.

Skill level-wise, I'm kind of intermediate with technology. I can set up a
WiFi network or rebuild a fuel injection system, but I'm mostly limited to
repair or following instructions ? not raw engineering. My Dad went to MIT
but he's no longer with us.

Thanks for reading. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Charles
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Wed Jul 28 12:13:01 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 12:13:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New guy says hello
In-Reply-To: <CANNgJpkgn5vXUJWHKNcGeV_j7yA1X2mna3RxsO8v68_n7yvrag@mail.gmail.com>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 28 12:15:41 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 10:15:41 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] New guy says hello
In-Reply-To: <CANNgJpkgn5vXUJWHKNcGeV_j7yA1X2mna3RxsO8v68_n7yvrag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANNgJpkgn5vXUJWHKNcGeV_j7yA1X2mna3RxsO8v68_n7yvrag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83C4EC19-F6FB-4C50-BF21-189D1C72AF17@comcast.net>

Hi Charles. Welcome. To answer your question: yes this is definitely possible. You can also get the news from ITTY and occasional feeds, including RTTY Art, from ITTY AUTOSTART. All are fun. 

Where are you located? Perhaps a member is nearby who can help you and who also might have some equipment for you. 

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Chuck Robertson <hootsk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello GreenKeys,
> 
> This is my first post. I hope I'm in the right place.
> 
> These days I work for an unscripted TV network and try to write scripted shows on the side with other writers. But I used to write for newspapers and magazines, and I was there when the teletype machines were replaced first by dedicated PCs or terminals, and later their feeds came directly to our desks. 
> 
> It was certainly more efficient, but we lost something too. At a student newspaper I worked at we had a whole room of teletypes behind a door, to muffle their hum in the newsroom. This was the '90s, so some had fallen mostly silent, like the UPI machine. There'd be an occasional clack or burst of typing. But a few, like the AP, needed its roll changed constantly. When a big event had just occurred, they all sprang to life together, and the noise was deafening. It was the sound of drop-everything urgency. Everyone bolted into the little room, and whoever got there first would shout out the words to the crowd pushing in through the door as they hit the paper.
> 
> Some of the youngest writers and script readers enjoy reading scripts typed on paper, which is an opportunity not to be taken lightly. Some even type on old typewriters, but I'm used to the benefits of word processors. By now you know what I'm going to ask: I'm wondering if I could repurpose a teletype machine to type the scripts from my Mac laptop, either on pages or a roll, combining new and old technologies.
> 
> Skill level-wise, I'm kind of intermediate with technology. I can set up a WiFi network or rebuild a fuel injection system, but I'm mostly limited to repair or following instructions ? not raw engineering. My Dad went to MIT but he's no longer with us.
> 
> Thanks for reading. Any advice would be much appreciated.
> 
> Charles
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 28 12:24:13 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 16:24:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New guy says hello
In-Reply-To: <CANNgJpkgn5vXUJWHKNcGeV_j7yA1X2mna3RxsO8v68_n7yvrag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANNgJpkgn5vXUJWHKNcGeV_j7yA1X2mna3RxsO8v68_n7yvrag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <336243816.732894.1627489453741@mail.yahoo.com>

 Chuck,
? There are a number off different ways to do what you want.The easiest would be to buy yourself a TU (read teletype modem)and use free software like MTTY to provide the input signal.-Steve
    On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 12:02:57 PM EDT, Chuck Robertson <hootsk at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello GreenKeys,
This is my first post. I hope I'm in the?right place.
These days I work for an unscripted TV network and try to write scripted shows on the side with other writers. But I used to write for newspapers and magazines, and I was there when the teletype machines were replaced first by dedicated PCs or terminals, and later their feeds came directly to our desks.?
It was certainly more efficient, but we lost something too. At a student newspaper I worked at we had a whole room of teletypes behind a door, to?muffle their hum in the newsroom. This was the '90s, so some had fallen mostly silent, like the UPI machine. There'd be an occasional clack or burst of typing. But a few, like the AP, needed?its roll changed constantly.?When a big event had just?occurred, they all sprang to life together, and the noise was deafening. It was the sound of drop-everything urgency. Everyone bolted into the?little room,?and whoever got there first would shout out the words to the crowd pushing in through the door as they hit the paper.
Some of the youngest writers and script?readers enjoy reading scripts typed?on paper, which is an opportunity not to be taken lightly. Some even type on old typewriters, but I'm used to the benefits of word?processors. By now you know what I'm going to ask: I'm wondering if I could repurpose a teletype machine to type the scripts from my Mac laptop, either?on pages or a roll, combining new and old technologies.

Skill level-wise, I'm kind of intermediate with technology. I can set up a WiFi network or rebuild a fuel injection system, but I'm mostly limited to repair or following instructions ? not raw engineering. My Dad went to MIT but he's no longer with us.
Thanks for?reading. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Charles
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From hootsk at gmail.com  Wed Jul 28 12:43:34 2021
From: hootsk at gmail.com (Chuck Robertson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 12:43:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15?
Message-ID: <CANNgJp=9gF2LjWsgEFyDSH=V5hocatHfs=5zSDJmR+_8rYYn_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello GreenKeys,

Thanks for all the fast replies!

Wayne: I work on my own cars, so that bodes well. Even though it was the
'90s, I'm pretty sure the machines I remember were Model 15's. I saw a
sample of the output, and it brought me right back.

Paul: I'm in Newton, Massachusetts.

Steve: Where can I read about TU's?

Chuck
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 28 13:53:57 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:53:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15?
In-Reply-To: <CANNgJp=9gF2LjWsgEFyDSH=V5hocatHfs=5zSDJmR+_8rYYn_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANNgJp=9gF2LjWsgEFyDSH=V5hocatHfs=5zSDJmR+_8rYYn_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1656792864.789443.1627494837395@mail.yahoo.com>

 Chuck,
A teletype sends and receives data by opening and closing a 60mA DC current loop.This is very similar to the way old rotary dial telephones dialed numbers.The main difference between teletype and rotary phone dialing is a teletype uses Baudot code.
?A TU (Terminal Unit) is a teletype modem. It converts the 60mA pulses into audio tonesthat can be sent over the radio. In your case it would send the audio tones to the computer's soundcardand software like MTTY or FLDIGI would decode these tones and display them.It works in both directions.You could type on the computer and have it print on the teletype or you could type on the teletype and have itdisplay on the screen.Here is a link to some info.https://w6iwi.org/rtty/tu170/

Using a TU is just one option.Another option is to build an interface box of some sort to convert between 60mA TTY and computer RS232or USB.There are plans out there if you look for them. Others may be able to provide more info on that option.
Hope this helps,-Steve
    On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 12:45:15 PM EDT, Chuck Robertson <hootsk at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello GreenKeys,
Thanks for all the?fast replies!?
Wayne: I work on my own cars, so that bodes well. Even though it was the '90s, I'm pretty sure the machines I remember were Model 15's. I saw a sample of the output, and it brought me right back.
Paul: I'm in Newton, Massachusetts.?
Steve: Where can I read about TU's?
Chuck


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From til128 at juno.com  Wed Jul 28 17:59:45 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 21:59:45 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY problem
Message-ID: <20210728.175945.3737.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

To all listening to ITTY stopping with a mark tone and then continuing:

We are looking into the problem and hope to have it resolved as quickly as possible.

Thank you for your patience.

Tom WB2TTY


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From til128 at juno.com  Wed Jul 28 20:29:18 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 00:29:18 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY problems 2
Message-ID: <20210728.202918.8679.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Thank you for your patience. We have looked into the recent problems and hope they have been corrected.

Should the problem occur again, would you kindly inform me at til128 at juno.com.

We apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced as a result of this incident.

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From nekrosox at tuta.io  Thu Jul 29 05:04:47 2021
From: nekrosox at tuta.io (nekrosox at tuta.io)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 11:04:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] First projects
Message-ID: <MflQsX_--3-2@tuta.io>

Hello GreenKeys,

I apologize in advance for my lack of experience. I'm new here, and new to working with teletypes in general.
?
I'm in an area between Houston and Austin. I bought a somewhat defective Siemens T1000, under the na?ve assumption that getting it to work and buying paper, ink, and punch tape for it would be easier than it turned out to be. So I'm wondering if there's anyone in this area who would be willing to help me restore this beautiful piece of tech, or anyone in general who'd just enjoy working on cool projects with me.

I'm also wondering if there's anyone in this area with an ascii ASR teletype who would be willing to negotiate a fair price.

Thank you all so much,
Alice


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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 05:23:37 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 11:23:37 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] First projects
In-Reply-To: <MflQsX_--3-2@tuta.io>
References: <MflQsX_--3-2@tuta.io>
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Hello Alice. Welcome to the group. Is this the machine that was listed on eBay? There was one in Houston listed for more than a year now, originally at a very high price but finally coming down. I wanted to buy that machine, and the seller was finally near the price I would pay but shipping was too expensive to Colorado. 

The T1000 is made for the telex network, which does not exist any longer. It runs at 66wpm.  The good news is there is a very active community that has recreated the old telex network. It is called iTelex. 

Sadly I?m not in your area but I know there are at least two members who are, and who k ow all about iTelex. Hopefully they will see your message and contact you. 

Paul


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 11:05 AM, alice via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello GreenKeys,
> 
> I apologize in advance for my lack of experience. I'm new here, and new to working with teletypes in general.
>  
> I'm in an area between Houston and Austin. I bought a somewhat defective Siemens T1000, under the na?ve assumption that getting it to work and buying paper, ink, and punch tape for it would be easier than it turned out to be. So I'm wondering if there's anyone in this area who would be willing to help me restore this beautiful piece of tech, or anyone in general who'd just enjoy working on cool projects with me.
> 
> I'm also wondering if there's anyone in this area with an ascii ASR teletype who would be willing to negotiate a fair price.
> 
> Thank you all so much,
> Alice
> 
> 
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 05:31:46 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 05:31:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] First projects
In-Reply-To: <A5E03D51-8A44-41F5-9059-9697B96F5703@comcast.net>
References: <MflQsX_--3-2@tuta.io>
	<A5E03D51-8A44-41F5-9059-9697B96F5703@comcast.net>
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Hey Paul, maybe you can get Nick to make another trip out west and bring the Siemens this time, along with the iTelex setup! ?

And I thought I was an early riser!  Or are you just late getting to bed!

Steve G./N4TTY

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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:24 AM
To: nekrosox at tuta.io
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] First projects

Hello Alice. Welcome to the group. Is this the machine that was listed on eBay? There was one in Houston listed for more than a year now, originally at a very high price but finally coming down. I wanted to buy that machine, and the seller was finally near the price I would pay but shipping was too expensive to Colorado. 

The T1000 is made for the telex network, which does not exist any longer. It runs at 66wpm.  The good news is there is a very active community that has recreated the old telex network. It is called iTelex. 

Sadly I?m not in your area but I know there are at least two members who are, and who k ow all about iTelex. Hopefully they will see your message and contact you. 

Paul


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 11:05 AM, alice via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello GreenKeys,
> 
> I apologize in advance for my lack of experience. I'm new here, and new to working with teletypes in general.
>  
> I'm in an area between Houston and Austin. I bought a somewhat defective Siemens T1000, under the na?ve assumption that getting it to work and buying paper, ink, and punch tape for it would be easier than it turned out to be. So I'm wondering if there's anyone in this area who would be willing to help me restore this beautiful piece of tech, or anyone in general who'd just enjoy working on cool projects with me.
> 
> I'm also wondering if there's anyone in this area with an ascii ASR teletype who would be willing to negotiate a fair price.
> 
> Thank you all so much,
> Alice
> 
> 
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>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From jdangus at att.net  Thu Jul 29 09:33:49 2021
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:33:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] First projects
In-Reply-To: <037501d7845c$8d558a10$a8009e30$@gmail.com>
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Was ist i-Telex?


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Was ist i-Telex?

i-Telex ist ein Hobby-Fernschreibnetz bzw. Telex-Netz, entstanden und "gelebt" als Open Source-Projekt.
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    On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 04:33:23 AM CDT, Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hey Paul, maybe you can get Nick to make another trip out west and bring the Siemens this time, along with the iTelex setup! ?

And I thought I was an early riser!? Or are you just late getting to bed!

Steve G./N4TTY

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From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Paul Heller
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:24 AM
To: nekrosox at tuta.io
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] First projects

Hello Alice. Welcome to the group. Is this the machine that was listed on eBay? There was one in Houston listed for more than a year now, originally at a very high price but finally coming down. I wanted to buy that machine, and the seller was finally near the price I would pay but shipping was too expensive to Colorado. 

The T1000 is made for the telex network, which does not exist any longer. It runs at 66wpm.? The good news is there is a very active community that has recreated the old telex network. It is called iTelex. 

Sadly I?m not in your area but I know there are at least two members who are, and who k ow all about iTelex. Hopefully they will see your message and contact you. 

Paul


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 11:05 AM, alice via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello GreenKeys,
> 
> I apologize in advance for my lack of experience. I'm new here, and new to working with teletypes in general.
>? 
> I'm in an area between Houston and Austin. I bought a somewhat defective Siemens T1000, under the na?ve assumption that getting it to work and buying paper, ink, and punch tape for it would be easier than it turned out to be. So I'm wondering if there's anyone in this area who would be willing to help me restore this beautiful piece of tech, or anyone in general who'd just enjoy working on cool projects with me.
> 
> I'm also wondering if there's anyone in this area with an ascii ASR teletype who would be willing to negotiate a fair price.
> 
> Thank you all so much,
> Alice
> 
> 
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Thu Jul 29 09:58:59 2021
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 08:58:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] First projects
In-Reply-To: <MflQsX_--3-2@tuta.io>
References: <MflQsX_--3-2@tuta.io>
Message-ID: <952fe514-fdde-9947-7edf-60271b1ca056@9-5usa.org>

The T1000 is a 5-bit machine, I believe, not ASCII.? I have an operating 
manual on it.? The best resource for this machine is probably Henning 
Treumann, DF3OE, in Germany.


I have responded offlist.? I am probably in your general area . . . from 
a Texas perspective.? ;-)


Kevin Phillips

W5TTY

On 7/29/2021 4:04 AM, alice via GreenKeys wrote:
> Hello GreenKeys,
>
> I apologize in advance for my lack of experience. I'm new here, and 
> new to working with teletypes in general.
>
> I'm in an area between Houston and Austin. I bought a somewhat 
> defective Siemens T1000, under the na?ve assumption that getting it to 
> work and buying paper, ink, and punch tape for it would be easier than 
> it turned out to be. So I'm wondering if there's anyone in this area 
> who would be willing to help me restore this beautiful piece of tech, 
> or anyone in general who'd just enjoy working on cool projects with me.
>
> I'm also wondering if there's anyone in this area with an ascii ASR 
> teletype who would be willing to negotiate a fair price.
>
> Thank you all so much,
> Alice
>
>
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 29 12:26:37 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 11:26:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Texas (was Re:  First projects)
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I'm always looking for a greenkeyer to help out with the SAMSAT museum
in San Antonio.  Which, by the way, is quite a thing to see - look up
their web site.  I've given them some TTY gear from my collection, which
I need to downsize, but being in NW Arkansas I'm not close enough to
really work with them.

Jim W6JVE

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From hootsk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 13:14:29 2021
From: hootsk at gmail.com (Chuck Robertson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:14:29 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15
Message-ID: <CANNgJpn3Wgs8t2uE8s_rCJ6NqQx+v-CA7X+MhxK4nX2EJCqy6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello GreenKeys,

It's day two of my journey and what I think I'm looking for is an M15, with
or without a stand or keyboard, and a USB-TTY interface board. A plus for
me would be if it was used in a newspaper or magazine. As an old copy man I
like old plaques and decals.

I've already started hunting on my own from here. I'm near Boston, an old
city, so maybe some will turn up. I have to learn how to recognize them and
describe them well, as a new guy.

Ignorance is one challenge. Travel is another challenge for me in this age
because I've got a 22-month-old, but I'm not resourceless. Please let me
know if there's anything I can do, including legwork.

Chuck
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 15:45:25 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:45:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teleprinter and OCR humor
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdBDgR4+zxdoPf_EZC2j6KvNx9aNL+LCJrSYbd60Ui2jg@mail.gmail.com>

Google made a slight error in OCR of this journal's text:
"....combinations of the cable Morse Code into a modified jive unit
code and the application of this method to the operation of
printers..."

Me - I've always liked the rhythm of a Baudot/Murray printer

From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Thu Jul 29 20:38:13 2021
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 19:38:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing with teleprinters (was Re:  First projects)
In-Reply-To: <bac3aa91-ee2d-9b61-480c-17de9c48b864@9-5usa.org>
References: <bac3aa91-ee2d-9b61-480c-17de9c48b864@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <273c1219-af64-ad4f-83a5-3ce234c6b31d@9-5usa.org>

Maybe I'm wrong and out of line and maybe "Alice" will provide pictures 
of the Siemens T1000 she bought and needed help with but my experience 
leads me to believe this was an extremely elaborate "phishing" expedition.


I responded to "Alice" offlist and suggested she get in touch with 
Henning about the T1000 she said she recently purchased.? She said she'd 
like to talk to me about the machine (Paul had tried to buy the one 
listed on eBay as I had too since I could have driven to pick it up to 
avoid shipping).? I gave her my schedule and phone number.? Late this 
afternoon my phone rang and the number showed to be from my area code 
and from a small town not far away that I was familiar with.? Thinking 
this was in regards to the T1000 I answered it.? The voice on the other 
ends asked if this was "Philip" or "Phillips".? I hesitantly said yes 
and the female voice replied that she was "Alice".? OK.? I was a little 
thrown off by the accent but I was willing to go ahead.? She proceeded 
to quiz me about my registered domain and what "plans" I had for it. Did 
I have sales in mind?? No.? End of conversation.


Wow!? They must have tracked me from sending an offer on that eBay 
listing to finding me posting in GreenKeys and then sending out that 
e-mail to the list.? I have to hand it to them for cleverness.? "She" 
must have thought that if I had money to make an offer on a T1000 that 
I'd have money to spend on their sales pitch.? They obviously have 
something to learn about Teletype/teleprinter collectors.? My wife knows 
better.? I don't want to sound sexist but maybe it should have been a 
red flag for a woman to claim to own a teleprinter.? Does this mean we 
need to do screening before people can join the list?? "Show us your 
selector magnets first"?


73

Kevin

W5TTY


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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Thu Jul 29 21:51:32 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:51:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing with teleprinters (was Re: First projects)
In-Reply-To: <273c1219-af64-ad4f-83a5-3ce234c6b31d@9-5usa.org>
References: <bac3aa91-ee2d-9b61-480c-17de9c48b864@9-5usa.org>
	<273c1219-af64-ad4f-83a5-3ce234c6b31d@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <712BEC45-0E04-4867-A077-BE61E5E6FA46@tapr.org>

I got a good laugh about something to learn about Teletype/teletypewriter collectors.
My wife gets tired of me complaining about a box of Jello costing $1.30 instead of $0.13.  Yes I'm that old.

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong and out of line and maybe "Alice" will provide pictures of the Siemens T1000 she bought and needed help with but my experience leads me to believe this was an extremely elaborate "phishing" expedition.
> 
> 
> I responded to "Alice" offlist and suggested she get in touch with Henning about the T1000 she said she recently purchased.  She said she'd like to talk to me about the machine (Paul had tried to buy the one listed on eBay as I had too since I could have driven to pick it up to avoid shipping).  I gave her my schedule and phone number.  Late this afternoon my phone rang and the number showed to be from my area code and from a small town not far away that I was familiar with.  Thinking this was in regards to the T1000 I answered it.  The voice on the other ends asked if this was "Philip" or "Phillips".  I hesitantly said yes and the female voice replied that she was "Alice".  OK.  I was a little thrown off by the accent but I was willing to go ahead.  She proceeded to quiz me about my registered domain and what "plans" I had for it. Did I have sales in mind?  No.  End of conversation.
> 
> 
> Wow!  They must have tracked me from sending an offer on that eBay listing to finding me posting in GreenKeys and then sending out that e-mail to the list.  I have to hand it to them for cleverness.  "She" must have thought that if I had money to make an offer on a T1000 that I'd have money to spend on their sales pitch.  They obviously have something to learn about Teletype/teleprinter collectors.  My wife knows better.  I don't want to sound sexist but maybe it should have been a red flag for a woman to claim to own a teleprinter.  Does this mean we need to do screening before people can join the list?  "Show us your selector magnets first"?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Kevin
> 
> W5TTY
> 
> 
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Jul 30 00:50:35 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 21:50:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype model 14 typing reperf platen replacement
Message-ID: <42b8b4ed4b1d469382b620bd09e86cf5.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>

I've had unreadable print on the tape on the 14 reperf. I started digging
into it this evening and found that the platen pad is falling apart.

I see the platen pad as part number 111603 at
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/1082b-5708.pdf#page=20 .


https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/1082b-5708.pdf#page=70 says "When
it is necessary to replace a platen w/ insert in an old style platen
block, a 111602 brass insert is required in addition to the 111603 plastic
insert. New style platen blocks do not require the brass insert."

I don't know if I have an old or new style platen block. Picking the
pieces of plastic out of the platen block, it looks like the platen would
just be a cylindrical piece of plastic that is pressed into place. Is this
correct?

I don't suppose anyone has a platen for the 14 typing reperf. If not, I'll
give Mr. RTTY a call.

THANKS!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 02:33:34 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:33:34 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype model 14 typing reperf platen replacement
In-Reply-To: <42b8b4ed4b1d469382b620bd09e86cf5.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
References: <42b8b4ed4b1d469382b620bd09e86cf5.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <E4E9A713-666E-4488-A7F8-B7243DE97B6D@comcast.net>

Hi Harold,  

I hope you are well and enjoying Tucson. You you have missed a hot summer in Arvada, but you probably have a hot summer there as well.

May I ask that if you order this part, you ask him if he has more than one? I also need one. 

Thanks Harold. 

73,
Paul
W2TTY


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:52 AM, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I've had unreadable print on the tape on the 14 reperf. I started digging
> into it this evening and found that the platen pad is falling apart.
> 
> I see the platen pad as part number 111603 at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/1082b-5708.pdf#page=20 .
> 
> 
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/1082b-5708.pdf#page=70 says "When
> it is necessary to replace a platen w/ insert in an old style platen
> block, a 111602 brass insert is required in addition to the 111603 plastic
> insert. New style platen blocks do not require the brass insert."
> 
> I don't know if I have an old or new style platen block. Picking the
> pieces of plastic out of the platen block, it looks like the platen would
> just be a cylindrical piece of plastic that is pressed into place. Is this
> correct?
> 
> I don't suppose anyone has a platen for the 14 typing reperf. If not, I'll
> give Mr. RTTY a call.
> 
> THANKS!
> 
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
> 
> 
> 
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Fri Jul 30 03:37:41 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 02:37:41 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added ring?
Message-ID: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>


Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:

https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf

Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).

Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .

From jdangus at att.net  Fri Jul 30 04:18:20 2021
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:18:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
 ring?
In-Reply-To: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <2041134225.1446708.1627633100168@mail.yahoo.com>

That's because your call blocker doesn't comply to phone company standards.To get your POTS (analog) phone to work with it, get a Dial Gizmo.DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec dialling to touch tone


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The Dialgizmo pulse to tone converter box allows you to use any old rotary pulse dial phone on modern telephone ...
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It's what I use between my Asterisk PBX and my '50s vintage Bell wall phone.



"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0WA6FWIwww.foxsmercantile.com 

    On Friday, July 30, 2021, 02:38:04 AM CDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!? So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.? Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.? Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.? Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .? Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:

https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf

Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).

Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Fri Jul 30 04:39:42 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 03:39:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <2041134225.1446708.1627633100168@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hey Jeff,

Thanks for the info!  My phone company still supports pulse dialing since it was once an independent bell and is still POTS ;p (still have callback also ^^ !).  I can see where this will help with the pulse going though the call blocker, but what about the bells?  That?s the thing I?m hurting the most about, since it?s what wakes up the whole house when there?s a phone call ;p .  Form what I have gathered - the lower voltage caused by the call blocker (it?s down stepping for whatever reason) is not enough to ring the bell.  I?m assuming that since this is designed to work with VoIP, that it will also ring the bell on it as well(???)?


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 3:18 am, Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net> wrote:
> 
> That's because your call blocker doesn't comply to phone company standards.
> To get your POTS (analog) phone to work with it, get a Dial Gizmo.
> DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec dialling to touch tone
> 
> DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec diall...
> The Dialgizmo pulse to tone converter box allows you to use any old rotary pulse dial phone on modern telephone ...
> 
> It's what I use between my Asterisk PBX and my '50s vintage Bell wall phone.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "I am a river to my people."
> Jeff-1.0
> WA6FWI
> www.foxsmercantile.com
> 
> 
> On Friday, July 30, 2021, 02:38:04 AM CDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:
> 
> https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf
> 
> Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).
> 
> Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Fri Jul 30 07:12:46 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 06:12:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <2481EB75-33ED-4979-B266-76E05DCCEA6A@tapr.org>
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	<2481EB75-33ED-4979-B266-76E05DCCEA6A@tapr.org>
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Hey John,

This is it (below).  I just realized that there is so much more to this box than they had in the manual in the actual box - but I?ve got to head to bed? I?ll check for replies back when I wake up :) :

https://digitone.com/manuals/DPCB-Full-Manual.pdf

When I called the company yesterday now, he hooked up a Western Electric on his bench and it rang, so who knows.  I?ve read that Automatic Electrics many times can have frequency ringers for party lines... so man, if that?s the case, where do I go from there xD ??!

?..


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:01 am, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> Do you have a link for the phone blocker?  
> 
> I don't think the 24 volts is the problem, unless it can't supply 25 or so ma.  48 volts is used to overcome the loop resistance on mile(s) long lines.  The booster would seem to me to just add another level of problem, not passing dial pules either.
> 
> If the blocker is regenerating the ring voltage rather than passing it through, it probably doesn't have the 'juice' to drive an old fashioned mechanical ringer. 
> 
> John, W9DDD

From hanyou at xsmail.com  Fri Jul 30 07:22:00 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 06:22:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <2C57F36A-5D4E-401C-A363-764B5237264E@xsmail.com>
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	<2481EB75-33ED-4979-B266-76E05DCCEA6A@tapr.org>
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Ah, forgot (been at this for much of the day) ? I did hook up an ITT and a Western Electric rotary to the box.  None rang except for when they were plugged directly into the wall.


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:12 am, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey John,
> 
> This is it (below).  I just realized that there is so much more to this box than they had in the manual in the actual box - but I?ve got to head to bed? I?ll check for replies back when I wake up :) :
> 
> https://digitone.com/manuals/DPCB-Full-Manual.pdf
> 
> When I called the company yesterday now, he hooked up a Western Electric on his bench and it rang, so who knows.  I?ve read that Automatic Electrics many times can have frequency ringers for party lines... so man, if that?s the case, where do I go from there xD ??!
> 
> ?..
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:01 am, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have a link for the phone blocker?  
>> 
>> I don't think the 24 volts is the problem, unless it can't supply 25 or so ma.  48 volts is used to overcome the loop resistance on mile(s) long lines.  The booster would seem to me to just add another level of problem, not passing dial pules either.
>> 
>> If the blocker is regenerating the ring voltage rather than passing it through, it probably doesn't have the 'juice' to drive an old fashioned mechanical ringer. 
>> 
>> John, W9DDD

From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 07:39:27 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:39:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing with teleprinters (was Re: First projects)
In-Reply-To: <712BEC45-0E04-4867-A077-BE61E5E6FA46@tapr.org>
References: <bac3aa91-ee2d-9b61-480c-17de9c48b864@9-5usa.org>
	<273c1219-af64-ad4f-83a5-3ce234c6b31d@9-5usa.org>
	<712BEC45-0E04-4867-A077-BE61E5E6FA46@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <1594827469.1472768.1627645167960@mail.yahoo.com>

 I got a laugh about?"Show us your selector magnets first"
I'm adding that to my signature file.
-Steve"Show us your selector magnets first"

    On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 09:52:32 PM EDT, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:  
 
 I got a good laugh about something to learn about Teletype/teletypewriter collectors.
My wife gets tired of me complaining about a box of Jello costing $1.30 instead of $0.13.? Yes I'm that old.

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong and out of line and maybe "Alice" will provide pictures of the Siemens T1000 she bought and needed help with but my experience leads me to believe this was an extremely elaborate "phishing" expedition.
> 
> 
> I responded to "Alice" offlist and suggested she get in touch with Henning about the T1000 she said she recently purchased.? She said she'd like to talk to me about the machine (Paul had tried to buy the one listed on eBay as I had too since I could have driven to pick it up to avoid shipping).? I gave her my schedule and phone number.? Late this afternoon my phone rang and the number showed to be from my area code and from a small town not far away that I was familiar with.? Thinking this was in regards to the T1000 I answered it.? The voice on the other ends asked if this was "Philip" or "Phillips".? I hesitantly said yes and the female voice replied that she was "Alice".? OK.? I was a little thrown off by the accent but I was willing to go ahead.? She proceeded to quiz me about my registered domain and what "plans" I had for it. Did I have sales in mind?? No.? End of conversation.
> 
> 
> Wow!? They must have tracked me from sending an offer on that eBay listing to finding me posting in GreenKeys and then sending out that e-mail to the list.? I have to hand it to them for cleverness.? "She" must have thought that if I had money to make an offer on a T1000 that I'd have money to spend on their sales pitch.? They obviously have something to learn about Teletype/teleprinter collectors.? My wife knows better.? I don't want to sound sexist but maybe it should have been a red flag for a woman to claim to own a teleprinter.? Does this mean we need to do screening before people can join the list?? "Show us your selector magnets first"?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Kevin
> 
> W5TTY
> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Jul 30 08:09:06 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:09:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <865CE12B-64EA-4997-92F1-7EDFBB82CE97@xsmail.com>
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As I read the manual it appears to me that when they designed the box they assumed everyone had electronic ringers.n. Then as a way get around that limitation they recommend using a cordless phone system to act as a repeater.  On page 9 they even suggest disconnecting the ringer on corded phones.

It's possible that certain WE models would work.  Trim line and princess phones had lower REN (ringer equivalent number) stamped on the bottom of them.  When extensions became widely used they came up with the REN numbers.  I assume the ringer of last mid-century were considered 1.0 REN. The 500 series was maybe 0.6 REN.  Maybe the CO was capable driving 2.0 REN.   So you added up the numbers of the extensions to see if you were compatible.  Those numbers are swag and the  concept is my theory of the way it was supposed to work.  


John, W9DDD


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:22 AM, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah, forgot (been at this for much of the day) ? I did hook up an ITT and a Western Electric rotary to the box.  None rang except for when they were plugged directly into the wall.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:12 am, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hey John,
>> 
>> This is it (below).  I just realized that there is so much more to this box than they had in the manual in the actual box - but I?ve got to head to bed? I?ll check for replies back when I wake up :) :
>> 
>> https://digitone.com/manuals/DPCB-Full-Manual.pdf
>> 
>> When I called the company yesterday now, he hooked up a Western Electric on his bench and it rang, so who knows.  I?ve read that Automatic Electrics many times can have frequency ringers for party lines... so man, if that?s the case, where do I go from there xD ??!
>> 
>> ?..
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:01 am, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have a link for the phone blocker?  
>>> 
>>> I don't think the 24 volts is the problem, unless it can't supply 25 or so ma.  48 volts is used to overcome the loop resistance on mile(s) long lines.  The booster would seem to me to just add another level of problem, not passing dial pules either.
>>> 
>>> If the blocker is regenerating the ring voltage rather than passing it through, it probably doesn't have the 'juice' to drive an old fashioned mechanical ringer. 
>>> 
>>> John, W9DDD
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Fri Jul 30 08:21:06 2021
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (ad7i)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:21:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANpP5D4v7aP_ZgYhrJyiMfv1eJoioR4ZyukWQKDOKg4r7Y25qg@mail.gmail.com>

Old telephone guy here.

Two questions for you about the call blocker.

1.  Does your call blocker support outbound dial pulse dialing?  Do you
need to (are you able to) configure the call blocker for outbound dial
pulse dialing?

2.  Does the call blocker indicate the max REN (ringer equivalence number)
that it will drive?  Your AE phone probably has old-school mechanical
bells, which likely have an REN of 1.0.  Modern electronic phones usually
have an REN of 0.1 to 0.2 (much lighter load).

Finally, I don't think the Viking TBB-1B will solve either the dialing or
ringing problem.

Paul, ad7i



On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 3:38 AM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call
> blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric
> model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.
> Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and
> it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call
> blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would
> the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:
>
>
> https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf
>
> Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going
> around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).
>
> Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Jul 30 08:33:26 2021
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:33:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <B0C638B7-6D17-4CE7-A524-5404354AC300@tapr.org>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
	<2481EB75-33ED-4979-B266-76E05DCCEA6A@tapr.org>
	<2C57F36A-5D4E-401C-A363-764B5237264E@xsmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f9538373-6886-20bf-3ae3-eb4707e6d112@arrl.net>

The line voltage (24V vs. 48v) has little to do with the ringing, which 
is nominally 20 Hz at 80V and up, applied during ringing.  It could be 
your box's ringing generator circuitry is the issue.

COs could deliver up to 5.0 REN.  A WE 500 with a C4 ringer was 1.0 REN.

FWIW.

Doug, KA2WFT


On 7/30/2021 8:09 AM, John W9DDD wrote:
> As I read the manual it appears to me that when they designed the box they assumed everyone had electronic ringers.n. Then as a way get around that limitation they recommend using a cordless phone system to act as a repeater.  On page 9 they even suggest disconnecting the ringer on corded phones.
> 
> It's possible that certain WE models would work.  Trim line and princess phones had lower REN (ringer equivalent number) stamped on the bottom of them.  When extensions became widely used they came up with the REN numbers.  I assume the ringer of last mid-century were considered 1.0 REN. The 500 series was maybe 0.6 REN.  Maybe the CO was capable driving 2.0 REN.   So you added up the numbers of the extensions to see if you were compatible.  Those numbers are swag and the  concept is my theory of the way it was supposed to work.
> 
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:22 AM, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ah, forgot (been at this for much of the day) ? I did hook up an ITT and a Western Electric rotary to the box.  None rang except for when they were plugged directly into the wall.
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:12 am, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey John,
>>>
>>> This is it (below).  I just realized that there is so much more to this box than they had in the manual in the actual box - but I?ve got to head to bed? I?ll check for replies back when I wake up :) :
>>>
>>> https://digitone.com/manuals/DPCB-Full-Manual.pdf
>>>
>>> When I called the company yesterday now, he hooked up a Western Electric on his bench and it rang, so who knows.  I?ve read that Automatic Electrics many times can have frequency ringers for party lines... so man, if that?s the case, where do I go from there xD ??!
>>>
>>> ?..
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:01 am, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a link for the phone blocker?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the 24 volts is the problem, unless it can't supply 25 or so ma.  48 volts is used to overcome the loop resistance on mile(s) long lines.  The booster would seem to me to just add another level of problem, not passing dial pules either.
>>>>
>>>> If the blocker is regenerating the ring voltage rather than passing it through, it probably doesn't have the 'juice' to drive an old fashioned mechanical ringer.
>>>>
>>>> John, W9DDD


From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Fri Jul 30 08:47:33 2021
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills (CKT&T))
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:47:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <988eee46-f7c0-d75a-aaaa-36732051c436@cedarknolltelephone.com>

You might want to check the bias spring on the ringer.? Usually, I can 
get a 500 set to work with a "modern" type device by reducing the 
tension on the spring.? The spring on the 500 set normally rests on the 
"high tension" slot and can simply be moved to the "less tension" slot.? 
(If you look at the ringer, it's pretty obvious.)

I just checked my AE 80 and it has a brass arm that rests against the 
tension spring.? Simply bending the arm should decrease the tension of 
the spring.? The only catch is to not reduce it so low that you start to 
get "bell tap" when you dial the phone.? If the call blocker is 
"collecting and regenerating" the outgoing call it might, simply, not 
support pulse dialing.? Then a tone to pulse converter would be your 
only option.

PDW

On 7/30/2021 3:37 AM, E. wrote:
> Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:
>
> https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf
>
> Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).
>
> Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
> ______________________________________________________________
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 10:14:25 2021
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:14:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing with teleprinters (was Re: First projects)
In-Reply-To: <1594827469.1472768.1627645167960@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <bac3aa91-ee2d-9b61-480c-17de9c48b864@9-5usa.org>	<273c1219-af64-ad4f-83a5-3ce234c6b31d@9-5usa.org>	<712BEC45-0E04-4867-A077-BE61E5E6FA46@tapr.org>
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I got a big laugh too, but then I wondered what they might show us if they had no idea what selector magnets are.  It might be something that might stick in our minds never to be erased!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of steve bennett via GreenKeys
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 7:39 AM
To: Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>; John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org>
Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] phishing with teleprinters (was Re: First projects)

 

I got a laugh about "Show us your selector magnets first"

 

I'm adding that to my signature file.

 

-Steve

"Show us your selector magnets first"

 

On Thursday, July 29, 2021, 09:52:32 PM EDT, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org> > wrote: 

 

 

I got a good laugh about something to learn about Teletype/teletypewriter collectors.
My wife gets tired of me complaining about a box of Jello costing $1.30 instead of $0.13.  Yes I'm that old.

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org <mailto:kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org> > wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong and out of line and maybe "Alice" will provide pictures of the Siemens T1000 she bought and needed help with but my experience leads me to believe this was an extremely elaborate "phishing" expedition.
> 
> 
> I responded to "Alice" offlist and suggested she get in touch with Henning about the T1000 she said she recently purchased.  She said she'd like to talk to me about the machine (Paul had tried to buy the one listed on eBay as I had too since I could have driven to pick it up to avoid shipping).  I gave her my schedule and phone number.  Late this afternoon my phone rang and the number showed to be from my area code and from a small town not far away that I was familiar with.  Thinking this was in regards to the T1000 I answered it.  The voice on the other ends asked if this was "Philip" or "Phillips".  I hesitantly said yes and the female voice replied that she was "Alice".  OK.  I was a little thrown off by the accent but I was willing to go ahead.  She proceeded to quiz me about my registered domain and what "plans" I had for it. Did I have sales in mind?  No.  End of conversation.
> 
> 
> Wow!  They must have tracked me from sending an offer on that eBay listing to finding me posting in GreenKeys and then sending out that e-mail to the list.  I have to hand it to them for cleverness.  "She" must have thought that if I had money to make an offer on a T1000 that I'd have money to spend on their sales pitch.  They obviously have something to learn about Teletype/teleprinter collectors.  My wife knows better.  I don't want to sound sexist but maybe it should have been a red flag for a woman to claim to own a teleprinter.  Does this mean we need to do screening before people can join the list?  "Show us your selector magnets first"?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Kevin
> 
> W5TTY
> 
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From john at toebes.com  Fri Jul 30 10:51:39 2021
From: john at toebes.com (john at toebes.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:51:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <2041134225.1446708.1627633100168@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
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You can also look at the Rototone which I converted my Western Electric 500 so that in addition to generating touch tones, it also adds speed dials and codes for * # and last number redial.

https://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html

 

While on the subject of connecting to Asterisk, has anyone found a decent FXO port  to work with it?  I?ve seen the combo Grandstream boxes with the FXO port (I already have one with two FXS ports).  There used to be a Piranha USB-FXO adapter and the Sangoma USBfxo, but they no longer seems to be available?

 

  ? John Toebes

  ? 919-622-2041

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Angus
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:18 AM
To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added ring?

 

That's because your call blocker doesn't comply to phone company standards.

To get your POTS (analog) phone to work with it, get a Dial Gizmo.

DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec dialling to touch tone <https://dialgizmo.com/> 

 




	
		
 






	

DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec diall...


The Dialgizmo pulse to tone converter box allows you to use any old rotary pulse dial phone on modern telephone ...

 

It's what I use between my Asterisk PBX and my '50s vintage Bell wall phone.

 

 

 

 

"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0

WA6FWI

www.foxsmercantile.com <http://www.foxsmercantile.com> 

 

 

On Friday, July 30, 2021, 02:38:04 AM CDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com <mailto:hanyou at xsmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

 

Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:

 

https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf

 

Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).

 

Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .

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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 10:53:48 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:53:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
References: <986033769.1537660.1627656828668.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I doubt Alice was phishing. She probably just wants you to show her your selector magnets. LMAO
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 11:10:52 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:10:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
In-Reply-To: <986033769.1537660.1627656828668@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <986033769.1537660.1627656828668.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<986033769.1537660.1627656828668@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfGGbaRcSJa=-j7Xsesm_i+E5ui3tCmLRGMeh2ZwkUzJQ@mail.gmail.com>

C?mon guys. If Alice was legitimate you?ve probably driven her away. If a
phisher, just ignore and get on with teletypery.
My 0.001 cents worth.
Nick

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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 11:16:29 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfGGbaRcSJa=-j7Xsesm_i+E5ui3tCmLRGMeh2ZwkUzJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <986033769.1537660.1627656828668.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<986033769.1537660.1627656828668@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Nick you are absolutely correct.Sorry if my joke was in poor taste.Alice if you are reading this we would be happy to have you here.
-Steve

    On Friday, July 30, 2021, 11:11:04 AM EDT, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 C?mon guys. If Alice was legitimate you?ve probably driven her away. If a phisher, just ignore and get on with teletypery.?My 0.001 cents worth.?Nick
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 11:25:29 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 17:25:29 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  First projects
References: <FE30362D-0BCE-40D4-9E9F-2A4BFB852AE3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AB971E96-12A5-4B0B-9994-DEEB0BD13301@comcast.net>

I share with all of you my email conversation with Alice before everything went sideways.

Despite some quick emails, I have not heard back again.
 

Paul


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> Date: July 29, 2021 at 12:44:36 PM GMT+2
> To: nekrosox at tuta.io
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] First projects
> 
> ?Best to ask your questions to the entire Greenkeys community. Others there know a lot more than I do about the 37, 43 and data speed 40. I cannot answer those questions because I have never seen or used any of those machines. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2021, at 12:09 PM, nekrosox at tuta.io wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Thank you so much for your reply!
>> 
>> Do you think anyone here has an ASR model 33 they'd be willing to part with? Would a model 37 or 43 work as well? I've also heard about the dataspeed 40, are they practical as terminals?
>> 
>> I'm sorry for the barrage of questions. Thank you so much for engaging with me though!
>> Alice
>> 
>> Jul 29, 2021, 04:42 by paul0926 at comcast.net:
>> Wow that was a fast reply!
>> 
>> You have a few options. If you want a true terminal that can hook to a computer, you will want a model 33. It is 7bit ascii and runs at 110baud. They can be hard to find, but they are out there.
>> 
>> If you want something to play and have fun with, consider a model 15 or 28. They run at 45baud and only operate with 5 bit, but you can do quite a bit with them. These are the work horses of the military last century and also all the news wire services. These are the sounds heard in newsrooms on the radio in the 70s and 80s and 90s. 
>> 
>> And those are the machines used by ham operators for RTTY (radio teletype) until recently when it all went to computers. 
>> 
>> Curiousmarc did a fantastic series on the
>> Model 19, which is an advanced version of the model 15 with support for paper tape. 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NuvwndwYSY&list=PL-_93BVApb5-9eQLTCk9xx16RAGEYHH1q
>> 
>> 
>> Have fun. 
>> 
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>> 
>> ITTY:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
>> ITTY100:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
>> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
>> EUROPE:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
>> 
>>>> On Jul 29, 2021, at 11:29 AM, nekrosox at tuta.io wrote:
>>> ? 
>>> Hi Paul, thank you!
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking it might be the machine that was on ebay. I don't know how many issues there are with the machine (I'm not much of a hardware person) but I have a lot of friends who do know a good bit about hardware and they've helped me figure out what was wrong with it. I'm willing to sell it, but I'd rather discuss that on a closed channel.
>>> 
>>> I'm hoping to find a teletype that I could use as a terminal, but I'm so fascinated with these machines that I also just kind of want a machine that can do everything so I can play around with all the versatile use cases they have been used for.
>>> 
>>> Please, let's talk more about this! I'm excited to finally get to talk with people who share my interest in this.
>>> 
>>> Alice
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jul 29, 2021, 04:23 by paul0926 at comcast.net:
>>> Hello Alice. Welcome to the group. Is this the machine that was listed on eBay? There was one in Houston listed for more than a year now, originally at a very high price but finally coming down. I wanted to buy that machine, and the seller was finally near the price I would pay but shipping was too expensive to Colorado. 
>>> 
>>> The T1000 is made for the telex network, which does not exist any longer. It runs at 66wpm. The good news is there is a very active community that has recreated the old telex network. It is called iTelex. 
>>> 
>>> Sadly I?m not in your area but I know there are at least two members who are, and who k ow all about iTelex. Hopefully they will see your message and contact you. 
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2021, at 11:05 AM, alice via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hello GreenKeys,
>>> 
>>> I apologize in advance for my lack of experience. I'm new here, and new to working with teletypes in general.
>>> 
>>> I'm in an area between Houston and Austin. I bought a somewhat defective Siemens T1000, under the na?ve assumption that getting it to work and buying paper, ink, and punch tape for it would be easier than it turned out to be. So I'm wondering if there's anyone in this area who would be willing to help me restore this beautiful piece of tech, or anyone in general who'd just enjoy working on cool projects with me.
>>> 
>>> I'm also wondering if there's anyone in this area with an ascii ASR teletype who would be willing to negotiate a fair price.
>>> 
>>> Thank you all so much,
>>> Alice
>>> 
>>> 
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 13:16:39 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
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From coryheisterkamp at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 13:33:42 2021
From: coryheisterkamp at gmail.com (Cory Heisterkamp)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:33:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <028501d78552$673cf6a0$35b6e3e0$@toebes.com>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
	<2041134225.1446708.1627633100168@mail.yahoo.com>
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One other option would be to pick up an old Panasonic Easa-Phone PBX, such as the 308. It converts pulse to touchtone instantaneously, has generous ring current for the old mechanical ringers, and allows you to call between other sets in the house if connected to separate ports. No modification to the phones are necessary, and it can be hidden out of sight. I have ours connected to an OOMA VOIP box over WiFi and it works pretty well. -C


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 9:51 AM, john at toebes.com wrote:
> 
> You can also look at the Rototone which I converted my Western Electric 500 so that in addition to generating touch tones, it also adds speed dials and codes for * # and last number redial.
> https://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html <https://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html>
>  
> While on the subject of connecting to Asterisk, has anyone found a decent FXO port  to work with it?  I?ve seen the combo Grandstream boxes with the FXO port (I already have one with two FXS ports).  There used to be a Piranha USB-FXO adapter and the Sangoma USBfxo, but they no longer seems to be available?
>  
>   ? John Toebes
>   ? 919-622-2041
>  
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Angus
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:18 AM
> To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added ring?
>  
> That's because your call blocker doesn't comply to phone company standards.
> To get your POTS (analog) phone to work with it, get a Dial Gizmo.
> DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec dialling to touch tone <https://dialgizmo.com/>
>  
> 
>  
> It's what I use between my Asterisk PBX and my '50s vintage Bell wall phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> "I am a river to my people."
> Jeff-1.0
> WA6FWI
> www.foxsmercantile.com <http://www.foxsmercantile.com/>
>  
>  
> On Friday, July 30, 2021, 02:38:04 AM CDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com <mailto:hanyou at xsmail.com>> wrote: 
>  
>  
>  
> Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:
>  
> https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf <https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf>
>  
> Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).
>  
> Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Fri Jul 30 15:39:00 2021
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:39:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
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Guys (and Gals),

I work in an environment that is keen on computer, and personal, 
information security.? Anytime there is a suspected phishing attempt it 
is called out and employees are alerted.? As the saying goes:? 
forewarned is forearmed, or something like that.? There were a number of 
things about this incident which raised flags in my mind.? One being 
that the eBay listing for the T1000 completely disappeared soon after I 
e-mailed the seller.? It wasn't that the auction ended because the 
machine was sold, it was as if the auction never existed.? I just did a 
search for recent completed auctions and it doesn't show up.? I have 
seen a similar thing happen lately with high-dollar camera equipment. ? 
The person who joined GreenKeys apparently seeking information about a 
defective T1000 called herself Alice.? The person who called me soon 
after I sent "Alice" my phone number allowing her to call me to talk 
about the T1000 called herself Alice.? I wonder what are the odds on 
those being two completely different and unrelated people? According to 
the e-mails Paul forwarded, the person was not sure that the machine she 
had was the one on eBay.? That seems like an easy one to answer:? was it 
or was it not one that was recently listed on eBay?? She also expressed 
a willingness to sell the machine but only "on a closed channel."


Everyone here is used to trusting other GreenKeyers and hams in 
particular.? A few years ago I was scammed out of $1100 by another ham, 
of all people, when I tried to buy something from the QRZ Classifieds.? 
Law enforcement wouldn't do anything about it, probably because it 
happens so often and it was "small potatoes" in their book.? I am taking 
the stance that this was a scam; an extremely elaborate, clever, and 
"ingenious" one from a certain perspective.? All I'll say is that you 
ignore these things to your own peril.


73


Kevin

W5TTY

On 7/30/2021 10:10 AM, Nick England wrote:
> C?mon guys. If Alice was legitimate you?ve probably driven her away. 
> If a phisher, just ignore and get on with teletypery.
> My 0.001 cents worth.
> Nick
>
> -- 
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Fri Jul 30 15:57:02 2021
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:57:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] T1000 information
Message-ID: <b2b00160-18e7-5168-083f-2ab981d5d47d@9-5usa.org>

I will re-iterate what I said in e-mails:? I think the best place at 
this time for anyone seeking information about a Siemens T1000 is the 
telexforum/de.


73 (or, Best Regards)


Kevin

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From nekrosox at tuta.io  Fri Jul 30 16:16:12 2021
From: nekrosox at tuta.io (nekrosox at tuta.io)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:16:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
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I'm legitimate, I've just been asleep all day because I stayed up all night trying to figure out if someone hacked my email. I'm totally new to teletypes and I've never used a mailing list before, I'm just a kid who heard about teletypes once and has been obsessed ever since. I'm also really sorry if I didn't reply to the list correctly, like I said I'm completely new to all this and I can't find much online to help me with it. I've never had the opportunity to get my hands on one until I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale. Here's a pic of my siemens, timestamped (I had to redo it because the message was too large, so here's an imgur link I guess?). I'm furious that someone impersonated me, and scared that they might have access to my email account, so if anyone has any information please don't hesitate to tell me. I'm really sorry that I came off like this and I hope someone might actually contact me and at least try to confirm if I'm real or not.

I have a telegram at t.me/nymfe <http://t.me/nymfe> and I'd be willing to share my phone number with anyone here over a private, encrypted medium.

I'm thinking that it's time to start signing my emails and sticking to signal. So tonight I'm gonna set up GPG and work on figuring out how to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Here's the imgur link:?https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y

Thank you for listening,?Alice


Jul 30, 2021, 10:10 by navy.radio at gmail.com:

> C?mon guys. If Alice was legitimate you?ve probably driven her away. If a phisher, just ignore and get on with teletypery.?
> My 0.001 cents worth.?
> Nick
>
> -- 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 16:18:26 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:18:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
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 Wow Alice this saga is getting strange. Do you have an Indian accent?Did you speak to Philips on the phone?
I believe you are legit. The photo proves it.Welcome to the group.-Steve
    On Friday, July 30, 2021, 04:01:25 PM EDT, nekrosox at tuta.io <nekrosox at tuta.io> wrote:  
 
 I'm legitimate, I've just been asleep all day because I stayed up all night trying to figure out if someone hacked my email. I'm totally new to teletypes and I've never used a mailing list before, I'm just a kid who heard about teletypes once and has been obsessed ever since. I've never had the opportunity to get my hands on one until I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale. Here's a pic of my siemens, timestamped. I'm furious that someone impersonated me, and scared that they might have access to my email account, so if anyone has any information please don't hesitate to tell me.?
Alice

Jul 30, 2021, 10:10 by navy.radio at gmail.com:

C?mon guys. If Alice was legitimate you?ve probably driven her away. If a phisher, just ignore and get on with teletypery.?
My 0.001 cents worth.?
Nick

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www.navy-radio.com

   
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Fri Jul 30 16:58:00 2021
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:58:00 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  phishing
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From: alice via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net]  -- Friday, July 30, 2021 3:16 PM

> I'm legitimate, ... I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale.
> Here's the imgur link: https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y

Nice machine!  I always hate it when museums liquidate their collection, but I'm glad you were able to get a machine as a result.  Judging by the photo, it looks to be in pretty good shape.  You're lucky.  Here's the web site for the Teletype Model 33 I got working:
-- http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/guide.shtml#TTY33

The Model 33 I have worked on and your Simiens machine have common ancestors, but both have undergone considerable evolution from them.  Nonetheless, I hope my pages are helpful, if nothing else, to teach the lesson that even severely damaged equipment can be repaired.

        Doug Jones
        jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From nekrosox at tuta.io  Fri Jul 30 17:08:42 2021
From: nekrosox at tuta.io (nekrosox at tuta.io)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:08:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  phishing
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That's awesome! I can't lie, I've been pretty discouraged by the condition of the siemens. Not because it's in horrible condition, but mostly because I'm not a hardware person and I have no clue where to begin fixing it. Hopefully I can get it back up without doing something stupid and accidentally damaging it...?

Alice
Jul 30, 2021, 15:58 by douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu:

> From: alice via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net]  -- Friday, July 30, 2021 3:16 PM
>
>> I'm legitimate, ... I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale.
>> Here's the imgur link: https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y
>>
>
> Nice machine!  I always hate it when museums liquidate their collection, but I'm glad you were able to get a machine as a result.  Judging by the photo, it looks to be in pretty good shape.  You're lucky.  Here's the web site for the Teletype Model 33 I got working:
> -- http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/guide.shtml#TTY33
>
> The Model 33 I have worked on and your Simiens machine have common ancestors, but both have undergone considerable evolution from them.  Nonetheless, I hope my pages are helpful, if nothing else, to teach the lesson that even severely damaged equipment can be repaired.
>
>  Doug Jones
>  jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From dave.g4ugm at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 17:21:41 2021
From: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com (dave.g4ugm at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:21:41 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  phishing
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jones, Douglas W
> Sent: 30 July 2021 21:58
> To: nekrosox at tuta.io; Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Cc: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: phishing
> 
> From: alice via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net]  -- Friday, July 30,
> 2021 3:16 PM
> 
> > I'm legitimate, ... I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum
> liquidation sale.
> > Here's the imgur link: https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y
> 
> Nice machine!  I always hate it when museums liquidate their collection,
but
> I'm glad you were able to get a machine as a result.  Judging by the
photo, it
> looks to be in pretty good shape.  You're lucky.  Here's the web site for
the
> Teletype Model 33 I got working:
> -- http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/guide.shtml#TTY33
> 

I don't believe it was an active museum. You couldn't visit after 2009. I
asked!
>From the archived web site...

https://web.archive.org/web/20160317012944/http://hlctm.org/index.htm

"We had to stop walk-in showings"

As you can see from the web It did solicit donations of money and
equipment..

The "collection" suffered water damage in 2015 and never recovered...
... its now being sold off...

Dave
G4UGM

> The Model 33 I have worked on and your Simiens machine have common
> ancestors, but both have undergone considerable evolution from them.
> Nonetheless, I hope my pages are helpful, if nothing else, to teach the
lesson
> that even severely damaged equipment can be repaired.
> 
>         Doug Jones
>         jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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> >>> https://teletype.net/gksearch 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> >>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> >>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> >>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From tomas at tlec.se  Fri Jul 30 17:26:22 2021
From: tomas at tlec.se (tomas at tlec.se)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:26:22 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  phishing
In-Reply-To: <MftEqke--3-2@tuta.io>
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Hi Alice

I am currently restoring a badly damaged Teletype model 333 ASR

Here you can see the progress

Restoring an Teletype Model33 ASR - ba-restore.com <https://ba-restore.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3> 

 

 

With best regards

Tomas Larsson

Bor?s

Sweden

 

Fr?n: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> F?r alice via GreenKeys
Skickat: den 30 juli 2021 23:09
Till: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
Kopia: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
?mne: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: phishing

 

That's awesome! I can't lie, I've been pretty discouraged by the condition of the siemens. Not because it's in horrible condition, but mostly because I'm not a hardware person and I have no clue where to begin fixing it. Hopefully I can get it back up without doing something stupid and accidentally damaging it... 

 

Alice

 

Jul 30, 2021, 15:58 by douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu <mailto:douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> :

From: alice via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net] -- Friday, July 30, 2021 3:16 PM

I'm legitimate, ... I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale.

Here's the imgur link: https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y

 

Nice machine! I always hate it when museums liquidate their collection, but I'm glad you were able to get a machine as a result. Judging by the photo, it looks to be in pretty good shape. You're lucky. Here's the web site for the Teletype Model 33 I got working:

-- http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/guide.shtml#TTY33

 

The Model 33 I have worked on and your Simiens machine have common ancestors, but both have undergone considerable evolution from them. Nonetheless, I hope my pages are helpful, if nothing else, to teach the lesson that even severely damaged equipment can be repaired.

 

Doug Jones

jones at cs.uiowa.edu <mailto:jones at cs.uiowa.edu> 

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From nekrosox at tuta.io  Fri Jul 30 17:29:03 2021
From: nekrosox at tuta.io (nekrosox at tuta.io)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:29:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  phishing
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Yeah. The guy there seemed like a serious grifter. I also got an imac g3, which turned on when I was there but when I got home I realized the usb ports wouldn't work. Turns out the PRAM battery exploded and ate away at the usb controller. I'm not exactly thrilled with this, but fortunately g3 motherboards don't seem too expensive. As for the siemens... I only pray that it's not that bad. I don't have the experience to be able to tell if it's gone or not.?

Alice

Jul 30, 2021, 16:21 by dave.g4ugm at gmail.com:

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-
>> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jones, Douglas W
>> Sent: 30 July 2021 21:58
>> To: nekrosox at tuta.io; Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>> Cc: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: phishing
>>
>> From: alice via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net]  -- Friday, July 30,
>> 2021 3:16 PM
>>
>> > I'm legitimate, ... I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum
>> liquidation sale.
>> > Here's the imgur link: https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y
>>
>> Nice machine!  I always hate it when museums liquidate their collection,
>>
> but
>
>> I'm glad you were able to get a machine as a result.  Judging by the
>>
> photo, it
>
>> looks to be in pretty good shape.  You're lucky.  Here's the web site for
>>
> the
>
>> Teletype Model 33 I got working:
>> -- http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/guide.shtml#TTY33
>>
>
> I don't believe it was an active museum. You couldn't visit after 2009. I
> asked!
> From the archived web site...
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160317012944/http://hlctm.org/index.htm
>
> "We had to stop walk-in showings"
>
> As you can see from the web It did solicit donations of money and
> equipment..
>
> The "collection" suffered water damage in 2015 and never recovered...
> ... its now being sold off...
>
> Dave
> G4UGM
>
>> The Model 33 I have worked on and your Simiens machine have common
>> ancestors, but both have undergone considerable evolution from them.
>> Nonetheless, I hope my pages are helpful, if nothing else, to teach the
>>
> lesson
>
>> that even severely damaged equipment can be repaired.
>>
>>  Doug Jones
>>  jones at cs.uiowa.edu
>> __________________________________________________________
>> ____
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> >>> https://teletype.net/gksearch 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> >>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> >>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> >>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
> Message
>
>> delivered to dave.g4ugm at gmail.com
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:40:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] phishing
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I was absolutely raked over the coals on the RL Drake mailing list when I pointed out that neithereHam or QRZ have the protections that eBay has.Several members accused me of calling them thieves.
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0WA6FWIwww.foxsmercantile.com 

    On Friday, July 30, 2021, 03:18:54 PM CDT, steve bennett via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
  Wow Alice this saga is getting strange. Do you have an Indian accent?Did you speak to Philips on the phone?
I believe you are legit. The photo proves it.Welcome to the group.-Steve
    On Friday, July 30, 2021, 04:01:25 PM EDT, nekrosox at tuta.io <nekrosox at tuta.io> wrote:  
 
 I'm legitimate, I've just been asleep all day because I stayed up all night trying to figure out if someone hacked my email. I'm totally new to teletypes and I've never used a mailing list before, I'm just a kid who heard about teletypes once and has been obsessed ever since. I've never had the opportunity to get my hands on one until I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale. Here's a pic of my siemens, timestamped. I'm furious that someone impersonated me, and scared that they might have access to my email account, so if anyone has any information please don't hesitate to tell me.?
Alice

Jul 30, 2021, 10:10 by navy.radio at gmail.com:

C?mon guys. If Alice was legitimate you?ve probably driven her away. If a phisher, just ignore and get on with teletypery.?
My 0.001 cents worth.?
Nick

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From dave.g4ugm at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 17:52:41 2021
From: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com (dave.g4ugm at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:52:41 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  phishing
In-Reply-To: <MftEqke--3-2@tuta.io>
References: <986033769.1537660.1627656828668.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<986033769.1537660.1627656828668@mail.yahoo.com>	<CAB55hNfGGbaRcSJa=-j7Xsesm_i+E5ui3tCmLRGMeh2ZwkUzJQ@mail.gmail.com>	<Mft2ptd--3-2@tuta.io>	<DM6PR04MB5003BB313335B335782AB9FDA8EC9@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Alice,

I don?t know if any one has pointed you to this document:-

 

http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/siemens_t1000_manual.pdf

 

it explains the function of the individual units. Sadly, it also says that it should be serviced by board replacement so you are unlikely to find a proper service manual.

On the other hand its quite a modern design so there are not many moving bits to seize up. I don?t know what you paid for it, but as a non-working machine it should only have 

Whilst ASCII machines were once to be had for free they are becoming uncommon and are keenly sort after by vintage computer geeks like me so are getting expensive.

 

You might want to try the cctech list.

 

http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

 

 

Dave

G4UGM

 

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of alice via GreenKeys
Sent: 30 July 2021 22:09
To: Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
Cc: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: phishing

 

That's awesome! I can't lie, I've been pretty discouraged by the condition of the siemens. Not because it's in horrible condition, but mostly because I'm not a hardware person and I have no clue where to begin fixing it. Hopefully I can get it back up without doing something stupid and accidentally damaging it... 

 

Alice

 

Jul 30, 2021, 15:58 by douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu <mailto:douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> :

From: alice via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net] -- Friday, July 30, 2021 3:16 PM

I'm legitimate, ... I bought this T1000 from the Houston Computer Museum liquidation sale.

Here's the imgur link: https://imgur.com/I8U0K0Y

 

Nice machine! I always hate it when museums liquidate their collection, but I'm glad you were able to get a machine as a result. Judging by the photo, it looks to be in pretty good shape. You're lucky. Here's the web site for the Teletype Model 33 I got working:

-- http://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/guide.shtml#TTY33

 

The Model 33 I have worked on and your Simiens machine have common ancestors, but both have undergone considerable evolution from them. Nonetheless, I hope my pages are helpful, if nothing else, to teach the lesson that even severely damaged equipment can be repaired.

 

Doug Jones

jones at cs.uiowa.edu <mailto:jones at cs.uiowa.edu> 

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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 21:48:48 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:48:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] "The Teletype March" played on Model 15 !
Message-ID: <6104AC00.28841.6BD605C1@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

Found this on YouTube while looking 
for something else (of course!) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2QPy-igBLA



From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 31 16:07:34 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:07:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unique Teletype
Message-ID: <9DB191D2-21CD-4A62-9D21-D717BB39491B@tapr.org>

Item #  on eBay 114829932563
Anyone know what this did?

John, W9DDD

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 31 16:29:01 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:29:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 173979 Print Head.
Message-ID: <92FBCD4B-5B7D-4651-8998-12A7A0ED3F93@tapr.org>

eBay item # 254812906900

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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 31 16:40:07 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:40:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
References: <1034274675.1913069.1627764007847.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1034274675.1913069.1627764007847@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
? The type bars on my M15 were froze solid.After a lot of soaking in WD40 and force they now move but still very stiff.I have the basket out.Is further disassembly required? Can I get the bars out of the basket for deeper cleaning?Is there a spray that will fix this without taking the bars out of the basket?This is rodent damage. Basket had a mouse nest in it.
-Steve?
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sat Jul 31 16:47:08 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:47:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
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I?ve had luck with liberally dousing bars with 5w-20 (if I remember the weight right) full synthetic oil.  With the deterrents in it ? which can be both good and bad - seems to loosen up a lot of crud and some corrosion? can almost watch the crud come off.  I haven?t had type bars that were frozen solid per se, but pretty close.  Multiple applications may be needed.

Good luck!


> On Jul 31, 2021, at 3:40 pm, steve bennett via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   The type bars on my M15 were froze solid.
> After a lot of soaking in WD40 and force they now move but still very stiff.
> I have the basket out.
> Is further disassembly required? Can I get the bars out of the basket for deeper cleaning?
> Is there a spray that will fix this without taking the bars out of the basket?
> This is rodent damage. Basket had a mouse nest in it.
> 
> -Steve
>  
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Jul 31 16:55:40 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 13:55:40 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 173979 Print Head.
In-Reply-To: <92FBCD4B-5B7D-4651-8998-12A7A0ED3F93@tapr.org>
References: <92FBCD4B-5B7D-4651-8998-12A7A0ED3F93@tapr.org>
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That?s mine.  Contact me for the GreenKeys deal. 



Daniel Jones
K6YIC 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 13:30, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> eBay item # 254812906900
> 
> John, W9DDD
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Jul 31 17:11:05 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 14:11:05 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 173979 Print Head.
In-Reply-To: <A44D4E76-0718-4273-82EE-6A8E9EDC9CE3@k6yic.com>
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I also have the 32/33 platen knob listed also.

181039

Daniel

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> On Jul 31, 2021, at 13:56, Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That?s mine.  Contact me for the GreenKeys deal. 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel Jones
> K6YIC 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 31, 2021, at 13:30, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> eBay item # 254812906900
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Jul 31 17:35:33 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 21:35:33 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
Message-ID: <20210731.173533.7866.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

Sad to say there is nothing worse in this wide world than mouse pee and aluminum.

:-(( 

You just might have to take the entire basket apart to clean it effectively.

Good luck.

Tom WB2TTY

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To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:40:07 +0000 (UTC)



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? The type bars on my M15 were froze solid.After a lot of soaking in WD40 and force they now move but still very stiff.I have the basket out.Is further disassembly required? Can I get the bars out of the basket for deeper cleaning?Is there a spray that will fix this without taking the bars out of the basket?This is rodent damage. Basket had a mouse nest in it.
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 31 17:42:22 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 16:42:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <7D5B1822-28E6-4ECB-AB5E-BAE654F36D32@gmail.com>
References: <15F24668-3901-4BA9-B513-E505C510EA76@xsmail.com>
	<2041134225.1446708.1627633100168@mail.yahoo.com>
	<028501d78552$673cf6a0$35b6e3e0$@toebes.com>
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I may have that Panasonic .  I'll have check, 308 kinda rang a bell. For some reason I was thinking about looking for it a week ago.

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One other option would be to pick up an old Panasonic Easa-Phone PBX, such as the 308. It converts pulse to touchtone instantaneously, has generous ring current for the old mechanical ringers, and allows you to call between other sets in the house if connected to separate ports. No modification to the phones are necessary, and it can be hidden out of sight. I have ours connected to an OOMA VOIP box over WiFi and it works pretty well. -C
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 9:51 AM, john at toebes.com wrote:
>> 
>> You can also look at the Rototone which I converted my Western Electric 500 so that in addition to generating touch tones, it also adds speed dials and codes for * # and last number redial.
>> https://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html
>>  
>> While on the subject of connecting to Asterisk, has anyone found a decent FXO port  to work with it?  I?ve seen the combo Grandstream boxes with the FXO port (I already have one with two FXS ports).  There used to be a Piranha USB-FXO adapter and the Sangoma USBfxo, but they no longer seems to be available?
>>  
>>   ? John Toebes
>>   ? 919-622-2041
>>  
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Angus
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:18 AM
>> To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added ring?
>>  
>> That's because your call blocker doesn't comply to phone company standards.
>> To get your POTS (analog) phone to work with it, get a Dial Gizmo.
>> DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec dialling to touch tone
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> It's what I use between my Asterisk PBX and my '50s vintage Bell wall phone.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> "I am a river to my people."
>> Jeff-1.0
>> WA6FWI
>> www.foxsmercantile.com
>>  
>>  
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021, 02:38:04 AM CDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote: 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:
>>  
>> https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf
>>  
>> Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).
>>  
>> Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Jul 31 18:16:30 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:16:30 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 173979 Print Head.
In-Reply-To: <6105BF59.9591.70099B03@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <6105BF59.9591.70099B03@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
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I will add it to the listing. 

It?s for Model 28 typing perforator/reperforators.  

Thanks,
Daniel

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> On Jul 31, 2021, at 14:24, Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Your posting does not say what model Teletype 
> this device is for ...  would be useful to know. 
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2021 at 13:55, Daniel Jones wrote:
>> 
>> That?s mine.  Contact me for the GreenKeys deal. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Daniel Jones
>> K6YIC 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 31, 2021, at 13:30, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> eBay item # 254812906900
>>> 
>>> John, W9DDD
>>> 
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sat Jul 31 18:34:13 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 17:34:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added
	ring?
In-Reply-To: <C2222455-E41F-4DF7-B957-42DB463439C9@tapr.org>
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	<2041134225.1446708.1627633100168@mail.yahoo.com>
	<028501d78552$673cf6a0$35b6e3e0$@toebes.com>
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	<C2222455-E41F-4DF7-B957-42DB463439C9@tapr.org>
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Hey guys,

Sorry for the late reply and all of the great responses back :) !  So yesterday I finally pinned down the problem.  Okay, so the bell on my Automatic Electric is a ground ring bell? seems like most rotaries were back then - at least on the independent lines, because of partly lines.  Ground ring also saved from draining voltage on the larger circuit, due to the many bells being on the circuit -- or at least back then it did.  Modern telephones no longer use ground - usually seen as three wires coming out of old telephones? instead now you see only two.  Prior to asking here, I had tried bypassing the call blocker with the ground circuit, but still no dice.

So a little background - bet most know here, but anywho? Big Ma Bell (AT&T) exclusively used Western Electric, which meant that most of the nation, back in the day, used Western Electric equipment.  The independent companies though, including my area in southeast Nebraska (again, back in the day, before all the stinkin? mega-mergers via deregulation back in the ?90s) -- Lincoln Telephone & Telegraph, used Automatic Electric equipment.  Somewhat the same, yet somewhat different.

Yesterday I came across a video on a Western Electric telephone that allowed the bell on it to ring on modern POTS circuits, on the ?new? Big Ma Bell network, since most networks today have lowered the voltage on their lines, since bells are rare and high ringing voltage is no longer needed and whatnot... along with the fact that modern circuits on current day landline phones that don?t require as much voltage as the old ones did.  On the WE at least, fixing it was as simple as moving a wire to bypass the ground ring altogether.

Automatic Electric phones aren?t as simple though? they use frequency ringers, from what I can gather.  WE may too, but AE is apparently notorious for that (party lines, rural areas, etc.).  I couldn?t find any info about doing the same to my AE phone (as they are a bit rarer).  Most AE forums say that you have to change out the ringer for a straight line ringer on the AE?s.  Yikes!

Okay? well, last chance I had (yesterday) was to go downstairs, dig into my old rotary telephone collection and see if I could find an AE phone that had modified wiring ?cause the all the previous phones I tried a couple of nights ago - including WE, ITT, etc., all did not ring on the call blocker.

Well, what do you know - the first AE I came across had an an 80?s-era modular plug converter at the end of the line.  Promising!  Opened it up and found it was wired for the 80?s network!  Nice ;D !  Plugged it into the call blocker and even though it had the same ringer as the other one I was trying to get working, it rang!

So comparing apples to apples on the wiring (opened them both up to compare), I found a modern solution on the rewired AE from downstairs... as simple as switching around three wires and eliminating the ground ring.

Did the same modification on my usual AE deck phone right beside me here and it finally works ??? yay ;D !!!!!

I may end up doing a video about it on YT, since it seems like no one knows about this wire-up? many independent bells were small - thus the knowledge may not be there anymore.  Milage may vary on this mod - but I have no other exchange on a different network to test it out :/ (Big Ma).  At least we still have callback and the ability to use rotaries here ;p .

Long story short - all fixed and working now :) .  Thanks again for all the help ? this has always been an amazing group ^^ !  Elmers as you all would be in the ham radio world ^_^ .

A quick history on LT&T? they were one of the first companies to use the Strowger Dial, I believe the first to have a phone book ? called the ?Secret Service? and claims to be the first to have a 911 system, although there was one other company that may have beaten LT&T by a couple of days on that? there?s still debate ;p .  LT&T was quite ahead of its time, actually :) .

Here?s a short video about the company -- I may have had a hand in making it? maybe ;p :...

https://nebraskapublicmedia.org/en/series-media/nebraska-stories-video/season-10-video-15886/final-call-for-lincoln-telephone-50007854/

Ah how I miss the company ? now we?re stuck with Windstream :( .

Anywho, thanks again for everyone ^_^ .   Cheers ^^ !!!

(the support line for this call blocker ? the guy I was talking to over the period of two days was? erm, interesting? he was a bit argumentative on a lot of things - including on callback... basically almost called be a liar -- but as I had tried explaining to him multiple times, we here are on a former independent exchange, so yes - Big Ma may not have had it, but we still do?.. his reply back after realizing was that we must be on some old equipment through the exchange? hahah - all the better for me then ;p ~)


> On Jul 31, 2021, at 4:42 pm, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> I may have that Panasonic .  I'll have check, 308 kinda rang a bell. For some reason I was thinking about looking for it a week ago.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
> On Jul 30, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> One other option would be to pick up an old Panasonic Easa-Phone PBX, such as the 308. It converts pulse to touchtone instantaneously, has generous ring current for the old mechanical ringers, and allows you to call between other sets in the house if connected to separate ports. No modification to the phones are necessary, and it can be hidden out of sight. I have ours connected to an OOMA VOIP box over WiFi and it works pretty well. -C
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 9:51 AM, john at toebes.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can also look at the Rototone which I converted my Western Electric 500 so that in addition to generating touch tones, it also adds speed dials and codes for * # and last number redial.
>>> https://www.oldphoneworks.com/rotatone-pulse-to-tone-converter.html
>>>  
>>> While on the subject of connecting to Asterisk, has anyone found a decent FXO port  to work with it?  I?ve seen the combo Grandstream boxes with the FXO port (I already have one with two FXS ports).  There used to be a Piranha USB-FXO adapter and the Sangoma USBfxo, but they no longer seems to be available?
>>>  
>>>   ? John Toebes
>>>   ? 919-622-2041
>>>  
>>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Angus
>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:18 AM
>>> To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] O/T - 24v to 48v POTS Telco converter for added ring?
>>>  
>>> That's because your call blocker doesn't comply to phone company standards.
>>> To get your POTS (analog) phone to work with it, get a Dial Gizmo.
>>> DialGizmo - Pulse to Tone converter for VoIP lines changes decadec dialling to touch tone
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> It's what I use between my Asterisk PBX and my '50s vintage Bell wall phone.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> "I am a river to my people."
>>> Jeff-1.0
>>> WA6FWI
>>> www.foxsmercantile.com
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021, 02:38:04 AM CDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote: 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Hey all you Telco guys - need some help!  So I?ve just bought a call blocker for my POTS.  Normally at my deck, I have an Automatic Electric model 80 (rotary) here and it has always worked great on my phone line.  Hooked it up today to the phone blocker and welp, the bell won?t ring and it won?t really dial out.  Measured voltage on the phone side of the call blocker and it measures 24v, unlike the 48v going in :/ .  Question? would the unit in the link below be the cure-all to this low voltage blues?:
>>>  
>>> https://vikingelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/product_manual/TBB-1B.pdf
>>>  
>>> Really want to run the phone through the call blocker as opposed to going around it, since there?s added benefits(tm).
>>>  
>>> Thanks to anyone who might know and be able to help out on this :) .
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Sat Jul 31 18:44:23 2021
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:44:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
In-Reply-To: <20210731.173533.7866.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
References: <20210731.173533.7866.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <c00fb015-17da-c0d9-45ec-81bb38a23e3f@verizon.net>

The corrosion and residue of mouse wizz and crap is far more soluable in 
water than oil.? Try soaking the basket in very hot water with 
dishwasher detergant in it. Let it cool enough to safely handle, then 
start working the parts carefully, dunking it frequently as you work 
things loose. It will take effort and patience. Once everything has 
freed up, rinse it and work the parts in clean water before drying it 
out and lubricating.

On 7/31/21 17:35, til128 at juno.com wrote:
> Sad to say there is nothing worse in this wide world than mouse pee and aluminum.
>
> :-((
>
> You just might have to take the entire basket apart to clean it effectively.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Tom WB2TTY
>
> Please note: message attached
>
> From: steve bennett via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:40:07 +0000 (UTC)
>
>
>
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> Hello,
>
> ? The type bars on my M15 were froze solid.
> After a lot of soaking in WD40 and force they now move but still very 
> stiff.
> I have the basket out.
> Is further disassembly required? Can I get the bars out of the basket 
> for deeper cleaning?
> Is there a spray that will fix this without taking the bars out of the 
> basket?
> This is rodent damage. Basket had a mouse nest in it.
>
> -Steve
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 31 19:25:13 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 19:25:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unique Teletype
In-Reply-To: <9DB191D2-21CD-4A62-9D21-D717BB39491B@tapr.org>
References: <9DB191D2-21CD-4A62-9D21-D717BB39491B@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <4bfe0660-fd35-fa05-96c4-efe3545c605c@earthlink.net>

That is a "Direct to line" Keyboard for a Morkrum (later Teletype Corp.) 
Model 12; c 1920s.

Quire rare.

The M12? was the first page printer produced in any quantity and was 
originally designed as an RO for Baudot's multiplex system.? It is 
parallel input with 5 selector magnets.

The ebay chassis has a keyboard with serial contacts similar to the M14 
& 15.? The extra set of goose-neck contacts is a serial to parallel 
converter to allow the printer to operate on a serial line.? It plugs 
into the front of the M12 printer.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ



On 31-Jul-21 16:07, John W9DDD wrote:
> Item # ?on eBay 114829932563 <tel:114829932563>
> Anyone know what this did?
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 31 19:38:35 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 19:38:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unique Teletype
In-Reply-To: <4bfe0660-fd35-fa05-96c4-efe3545c605c@earthlink.net>
References: <9DB191D2-21CD-4A62-9D21-D717BB39491B@tapr.org>
	<4bfe0660-fd35-fa05-96c4-efe3545c605c@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <65285cec-5311-107b-d0db-c9dbe8d23799@earthlink.net>

The tag on this unit identifies it as being from the Teletype Corp 
Museum (which was disbursed in the 1980s) and looks to be the item 
pictured in Teletype Corp Museum Book 9, page 05.? The Museum Book says 
they were produced from 1922 to 1930. (Replaced by the M15)

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 31-Jul-21 19:25, Duncan Brown wrote:
> That is a "Direct to line" Keyboard for a Morkrum (later Teletype 
> Corp.) Model 12; c 1920s.
>
> Quire rare.
>
> The M12? was the first page printer produced in any quantity and was 
> originally designed as an RO for Baudot's multiplex system. It is 
> parallel input with 5 selector magnets.
>
> The ebay chassis has a keyboard with serial contacts similar to the 
> M14 & 15.? The extra set of goose-neck contacts is a serial to 
> parallel converter to allow the printer to operate on a serial line.? 
> It plugs into the front of the M12 printer.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> On 31-Jul-21 16:07, John W9DDD wrote:
>> Item # ?on eBay 114829932563 <tel:114829932563>
>> Anyone know what this did?
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
>>
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>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
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>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 21:27:31 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 21:27:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M15 type bars stiff
In-Reply-To: <c00fb015-17da-c0d9-45ec-81bb38a23e3f@verizon.net>
References: <20210731.173533.7866.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>,
	<c00fb015-17da-c0d9-45ec-81bb38a23e3f@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6105F883.21051.70E8E60B@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 31 Jul 2021 at 18:44, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys wrote:

> Let it cool enough to safely handle,
> then start working the parts
> carefully, dunking it frequently as
> you work things loose. 

And be sure to wear those plastic gloves 
you bought at the start of the covid scare, 
so the mouse pee and stuff doesn't get 
on your skin and hands. 




From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 22:59:46 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 22:59:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WE 255A polar relay
Message-ID: <61060E22.7100.713D5D2F@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

Ah!  a 255A polar relay listed 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384074708997

for a mere $239.99 !!! 

And they were being given away here for free ...  :)

Maybe I should list the five I have on ebay; 
I could buy a new rig for that. 



From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 22:59:46 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 22:59:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] british cypher
Message-ID: <61060E22.21886.713D5C16@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

This item 
eBay item number:  384073825380

is listed as "Baudot code Cypher for Telexes" 
but it looks to me like it is probably an 
answer-back device ... 

seems to be priced as if it is crypto stuff !! 

w2jc 



From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 31 23:33:40 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 22:33:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unique Teletype
In-Reply-To: <65285cec-5311-107b-d0db-c9dbe8d23799@earthlink.net>
References: <9DB191D2-21CD-4A62-9D21-D717BB39491B@tapr.org>
	<4bfe0660-fd35-fa05-96c4-efe3545c605c@earthlink.net>
	<65285cec-5311-107b-d0db-c9dbe8d23799@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A9BBEE33-2CF2-4626-9BA8-7B2C2C91D6D9@tapr.org>

Thanks Duncan,

I learned something from that.  I had never seen a M12.  I had looked at some documents and from the diagram understood there was a separate distributor for the printer.  For some reason I had envisioned something looking like the top end of a 14 TD.  Perhaps based on having read about the  receiving version of the 14 TD before reading about the 12.  Also assumed the goose neck contacts version started with the 14/15.

It appears that the keyboard design stayed pretty similar M12 through the M15.  (Maybe M26 too?)

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 31, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> The tag on this unit identifies it as being from the Teletype Corp Museum (which was disbursed in the 1980s) and looks to be the item pictured in Teletype Corp Museum Book 9, page 05.  The Museum Book says they were produced from 1922 to 1930. (Replaced by the M15)
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
> 
>> On 31-Jul-21 19:25, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> That is a "Direct to line" Keyboard for a Morkrum (later Teletype Corp.) Model 12; c 1920s.
>> 
>> Quire rare.
>> 
>> The M12  was the first page printer produced in any quantity and was originally designed as an RO for Baudot's multiplex system. It is parallel input with 5 selector magnets.
>> 
>> The ebay chassis has a keyboard with serial contacts similar to the M14 & 15.  The extra set of goose-neck contacts is a serial to parallel converter to allow the printer to operate on a serial line.  It plugs into the front of the M12 printer.
>> 
>> Have fun,
>> 
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31-Jul-21 16:07, John W9DDD wrote:
>>> Item #  on eBay 114829932563 <tel:114829932563>
>>> Anyone know what this did?
>>> 
>>> John, W9DDD
>>> 
>>> 
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Jul 31 23:39:07 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 22:39:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] british cypher
In-Reply-To: <61060E22.21886.713D5C16@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <61060E22.21886.713D5C16@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E70C93F-90CC-4EEA-8F09-651D54238D20@tapr.org>

I think that or a previous listing of same or similar unit had been identified as an answer back from the UK for not sure what system .  Maybe they will post the answer again or maybe it find in the archives.

John, W9DDD


> On Jul 31, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This item 
> eBay item number:  384073825380
> 
> is listed as "Baudot code Cypher for Telexes" 
> but it looks to me like it is probably an 
> answer-back device ... 
> 
> seems to be priced as if it is crypto stuff !! 
> 
> w2jc 
> 
> 
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