From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Mon Nov  1 20:09:07 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 19:09:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>

Might this be for a Mite?  If so which one?



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From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Mon Nov  1 20:18:02 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 19:18:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 15 stop lever problem
In-Reply-To: <6e4cbfdd-662d-0596-1e46-89f7647f028f@tx.rr.com>
References: <274C9428-6CAD-4FA9-B999-C4326190BC04@tx.rr.com>
	<6e4cbfdd-662d-0596-1e46-89f7647f028f@tx.rr.com>
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OK, I found a sneaky way to push the trip plunger back up and get some 
oil on it.  That problem solved.  Is it time to put some power on it?  
We'll see, there's another bit that seems sluggish. Got to research and 
see what it's supposed to do and where the other end of it is.  It's 
kind of connected to the selector mechanism, but can't figure out for 
what.  I think I saw something about motor stop, but why?


On 10/31/2021 10:37 PM, John wrote:
> OK, I did find that the 6955eccentric was sticky. Once I loosened that 
> up, I now have no stop because the 7007 trip plunger is also stuck in 
> the tripped position.
>
> I can't see any way to get that freed up without taking the 71829 
> range scale assembly off.  That doesn't seem too hard, but I'm 
> concerned on how critical getting it back on is as far as alignment.  
> Seems like there's plenty of adjutment available due to slotted holes 
> in the 71696 range scale plate.
>
>
> On 10/31/2021 8:15 PM, John wrote:
>> I've run into a situation where the stop lever doesn't get in unlatched.
>> Possibilities?
>> Frozen part?
>> Adjustment?
>> Broken part?
>> Weak spring?
>>
>> John, W9DDD
>>
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Mon Nov  1 20:19:14 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 19:19:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
	<c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <45777862-4A04-4A71-ACFF-1A29E5F71C4F@xsmail.com>


Well, it?s definitely weather ? that?s all I can tell ;p .


> On Nov 1, 2021, at 7:09 pm, John <john-koster at tx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Might this be for a Mite?  If so which one?

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Mon Nov  1 20:51:05 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 00:51:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
	<c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <598244195.2946004.1635814265960@mail.yahoo.com>

The letters look to be in the wrong orientation for a Mite.http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=128
This Mite article mentions a similar typehead, though,"The unusual MITE print head is an eight-sided, 64-character cylinder with two directions of motion, derived from a typewriter print mechanism invented by James Dundas White in 1903. In White's design, a cylindrical print head with rows and columns of characters rotates around a vertical axis to select a column, while moving up and down along its axis to select a row."

WayneWB4OGM

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From: John <john-koster at tx.rr.com>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2021 5:09 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?

Might this be for a Mite?? If so which one?



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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Mon Nov  1 21:20:31 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 20:20:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <1d513344-20da-9db3-aa82-46509a06590d@tx.rr.com>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
	<c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
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Well, there are a few of other weather symbols on there.  The one on the far side - the three straight lines, can indicate heavy fog; the the V can indicate lightning (or frost, depending on the orientation); the two wavy lines could indicate either freezing rain/drizzle or light fog; the triangle can indicate snow; the arrows more-than-likely wind direction (based off of the old TT symbol for wind direction)? and there might be a thunderstorm symbol on the underside - hard to tell? so there are definitely weather symbols on it.  What to though?


> On Nov 1, 2021, at 7:50 pm, John <john-koster at tx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I can see how you can say that without being able to see all 8 sides, but there's only an up arrow and down arrow and none of the other wx characters are on it.  It appears to have something for all of what we normally consider non-printing functions, like a bell symbol, a LF symbol.  I figure the up and down arrows are for FIGS and LTRS.  There's a square I suspect for space, a CR < etc.  I'm suspecting for a reperforater?
> 
> 
> On 11/1/2021 7:19 PM, E. wrote:
>> Well, it?s definitely weather ? that?s all I can tell ;p .



From aa6rk at aol.com  Mon Nov  1 20:39:35 2021
From: aa6rk at aol.com (AA6RK)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 00:39:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] K4 with ST-6000 & Model 15
References: <671250735.2930394.1635813575913.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <671250735.2930394.1635813575913@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello...
I need advice on this set up. Right now, no RF output! Not sure what's going on or missing.Thanks!!! Bob...
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Nov  1 21:29:26 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 18:29:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] K4 with ST-6000 & Model 15
In-Reply-To: <671250735.2930394.1635813575913@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <671250735.2930394.1635813575913.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<671250735.2930394.1635813575913@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14ca018788947d549a211b03c70465cc.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Mon, November 1, 2021 5:39 pm, AA6RK via GreenKeys wrote:
> Hello...
> I need advice on this set up. Right now, no RF output! Not sure what's
> going on or missing.Thanks!!!
> Bob...______________________________________________________________

Not familiar with the K4, but familiar with the ST-6000 and model 15.

Are you using Keyboard Operated Send out of the ST-6000 to key the
transmitter? Is the transmitter being keyed? If so, is there audio leaving
the ST-6000 and getting to the K4?

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 19:15:58 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 16:15:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 20m RTTY activity today
Message-ID: <CADo5+=+ChKxyqSaHyy8UL7wEexSSnhHd55H_vhdOfR=BFN5Z=Q@mail.gmail.com>

What's going on today on 20m? At least 15 JA RTTY ops. Contest?

Bill
KE3BK
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From highpwr at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  2 19:57:30 2021
From: highpwr at bellsouth.net (highpwr at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 19:57:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay
References: <017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$@bellsouth.net>

Anybody know what this thing might be, just curious.

VINTAGE DIGITECH 2012-02 FREQUENCY ERROR COUNTER COLLINS HAM RADIO RTTY
NIXIE

324851266001

Or

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324851266001?hash=item4ba2a4f1d1:g:JKwAAOSwNOphbNVm



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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Nov  2 20:02:36 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 17:02:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 20m RTTY activity today
In-Reply-To: <CADo5+=+ChKxyqSaHyy8UL7wEexSSnhHd55H_vhdOfR=BFN5Z=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADo5+=+ChKxyqSaHyy8UL7wEexSSnhHd55H_vhdOfR=BFN5Z=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc0842d444433d76df7462c2ee451ac3.squirrel@kiwi.hallikainen.org>

Yes. See https://www.contestcalendar.com/weeklycont.php



On Tue, November 2, 2021 4:15 pm, William Wuttke wrote:
> What's going on today on 20m? At least 15 JA RTTY ops. Contest?
>
> Bill
> KE3BK
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  2 17:13:57 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 21:13:57 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
Message-ID: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

It's my ultimate goal to hook up a model 15 to my weather PC (windows)...  ive seen some ideas on say rs232 interfaces where one has to build a board one I dont build boards next the plans ove seen use obsolete parts...  what's the best or easiest way to accomplish this... USB would be great...
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 20:21:12 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:21:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <422238442.544806.1635898872177@mail.yahoo.com>

 Chris,
? I'd like to know the same thing.I don't know of any current plans available but if I were to cook something up myselfI'd consider using an Arduino.This requires programming in C. and building some electronic interface to match the signal levels.If someone else has already done it I'd rather not reinvent the wheel.Others on here are way more qualified to answer this than I.This is something I might attempt down the road but not in the near term.
-Steve
    On Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 08:07:44 PM EDT, chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
  It's my ultimate goal to hook up a model 15 to my weather PC (windows)...? ive seen some ideas on say rs232 interfaces where one has to build a board one I dont build boards next the plans ove seen use obsolete parts...? what's the best or easiest way to accomplish this... USB would be great...______________________________________________________________
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 20:44:22 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 17:44:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 20m RTTY activity today
Message-ID: <CADo5+=LNL8ucLeZu8ggWQSq0CjQ75Ow8EXYXPkN+SVmDtC0hGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Whatever it is, it isn't the rttyops weeksprint. It's still going on..

Bill
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 21:04:00 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 18:04:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 20m RTTY activity today
In-Reply-To: <CADo5+=LNL8ucLeZu8ggWQSq0CjQ75Ow8EXYXPkN+SVmDtC0hGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADo5+=LNL8ucLeZu8ggWQSq0CjQ75Ow8EXYXPkN+SVmDtC0hGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADo5+=+R6oOdDbfvLB17qnx_LJq7WOaxVFGprY5j82MiOcGD0g@mail.gmail.com>

I think I know what it is. A first.....RTTY pileup. Looks like HD8R is up
on the air from the Galapagos Islands.

Bill
KE3BK

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:44 PM William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com> wrote:

> Whatever it is, it isn't the rttyops weeksprint. It's still going on..
>
> Bill
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Nov  2 23:20:47 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 03:20:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay
In-Reply-To: <017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$@bellsouth.net>
References: <017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1057367951.103736.1635909647163@mail.yahoo.com>

Them ain't no nixies. That's all I know.

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: highpwr at bellsouth.net
To: 'Greenkeys' <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2021 4:57 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay

 Interesting Piece eBayAnybody know what this thing might be, just curious.VINTAGE DIGITECH 2012-02 FREQUENCY ERROR COUNTER COLLINS HAM RADIO RTTY NIXIE324851266001Orhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/324851266001?hash=item4ba2a4f1d1:g:JKwAAOSwNOphbNVm

SteveKM4V
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From jeffa at rodaw.com  Tue Nov  2 23:33:30 2021
From: jeffa at rodaw.com (Jeff Albrecht)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 20:33:30 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay
In-Reply-To: <1057367951.103736.1635909647163@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<017701d7d045$663eee00$32bcca00$@bellsouth.net>
	<1057367951.103736.1635909647163@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0b9dacb2-25d9-04fd-34b5-3aa5e9ec293e@rodaw.com>

On 11/2/2021 8:20 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> Them ain't no nixies. That's all I know.
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM

They look like Numitrons. 5vdc firmaments for each segment.

Like in my Thermo Numitron Clock 
https://wiki.rodaw.com/wiki/Thermo_Numitron_Clock??? :-)

File:ThermoNumitronClockWithUWP.JPG



 ?- Jeff


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From mgoday at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 00:27:33 2021
From: mgoday at gmail.com (Michael O'Day)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 23:27:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
In-Reply-To: <422238442.544806.1635898872177@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<422238442.544806.1635898872177@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAD5LzoSSa=ed_uyW9fAD8aJBU_YS9-Php4ZtrHEAjNkcmK2v_g@mail.gmail.com>

There appears to be a boat load of articles for the Model 33, including a
commercially available board. Not so for the 15. I have attached a zip file
with what I have for a USB interface, but I don't think you will get away
without building something.
 USB Loop Converter.7z
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ms-qCDQe_CD4ZshbBJvBUz6xrasdM2U/view?usp=drive_web>
you can also look here: https://www.aetherltd.com/connecting.html

The zip file was created with 7zip.

Mike O'Day
N9ODM


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:22 PM steve bennett via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Chris,
>
>   I'd like to know the same thing.
> I don't know of any current plans available but if I were to cook
> something up myself
> I'd consider using an Arduino.
> This requires programming in C. and building some electronic interface to
> match the signal levels.
> If someone else has already done it I'd rather not reinvent the wheel.
> Others on here are way more qualified to answer this than I.
> This is something I might attempt down the road but not in the near term.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 08:07:44 PM EDT, chris johnson <
> archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's my ultimate goal to hook up a model 15 to my weather PC (windows)...
> ive seen some ideas on say rs232 interfaces where one has to build a board
> one I dont build boards next the plans ove seen use obsolete parts...
> what's the best or easiest way to accomplish this... USB would be great...
> ______________________________________________________________
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> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 22:28:59 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 22:28:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
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My decoder recently died so have been toying with replacements ideas that
would also incorporate some sort of serial interface to the computer

The least soldering and building or thinking too hard.....
An old computer with built in serial interface is probably the easiest
thing using optocouplers and say heavy metal as your (go between)
Its pretty easy to find an old computer with built in serial. To tell if
its suitable run heavy metal on it with a loopback to pins 2&3 on the
serial port at 45.5 baud
If that computer sends what it receives then "Nagle's" board at
https://www.aetherltd.com/connecting.html would be your magic device
interface.
All the parts for that board are available.

Arduino...
Lots of solder, cerebral usage, wires laying all over the place
and programing......................
I started playing with arduino's recently because as I stated my decoder
died and I wanted something a tad more sophisticated to do the decoding and
to have some sort of serial interface too would be nice to send to the
teletype from computer all in one box instead of two boxes I had. My prev
decoder ran the teletype and would put the text on a video monitor and it
was about 30 years old. I also had on the loop a serial interface and would
sometimes get a mess if both talked at the same time.
On the arduino front I have the Sending from the arduino down pat. Decoding
from the loop I just got working. Now I need to add a second "loop decoder"
and feed demodulated RTTY input into the second loop decoder is the project
for this weekend...
For that project I heavily borrowed source code and circuits from two
sources and modified it for my needs.
https://k183.bake-neko.net/ji3bnb/page13_d.html.. (PLL CIRCUIT and some
code)
and
https://heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype  (Some of the code)
The volpe board kinda would do what I want BUT I'm also not into soldering
SMD's (Surface mounted devices) so since it was designed for a "32u4 AVR"
I decided to adapt the code to run on a "Leonardo/Arduino board" and add a
second decode input for the RTTY.
Nice thing about having two decode loops (one for the keyboard/teletype
loop) and one for the RTTY the arduino can monitor the traffic and either
block the keyboard or block the RTTY when one or the other is sending at
least thats the plan. And its a hell of a lot easier than all that SMD
nonsense.
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From nagle at animats.com  Wed Nov  3 01:10:20 2021
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 22:10:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Gummed tape for Model 14 printers
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As some of you know, I have some tape I had made for
Model 14 tape printers. But it's not original, nor
is it gummed for gluing down on telegram blanks.

Someone is selling the original stuff on eBay.
Two sellers, in fact. No idea why this stuff
suddenly surfaced. Maybe someone found a
warehouse full of this stuff.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124215840068

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265250169336

		John Nagle

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 01:26:53 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 01:26:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay
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Burroughs made several different Nixie Segment displays including
alphanumeric.
Attached is a PDF of the Burroughs alphanumeric B-7971 datasheet.
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  3 09:39:17 2021
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 13:39:17 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay
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Jeff,

Your clock is much more professional and elegant.
I used an IV-18 vacuum tube for my clock creation with a 150VDC power supply right next to it, a bunch of relays, a PI with a Python script, a morse code sounder to create an annoying alarm and bunch of blue, green and yellow LED's to go crazy whenever the set alarm time kicks in together with the sounder.

Three pics of my childish alarm clock attached.

Not bad at all for an amateur who doesn't know much about electronics and programming. I occupied myself, had fun and learned a lot - that's what life is all about, right?

Nick  -  N0NCQ



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device



-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff Albrecht <jeffa at rodaw.com>
Date: 11/2/21 11:34 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Interesting Piece eBay

On 11/2/2021 8:20 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com<mailto:hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
Them ain't no nixies. That's all I know.

Wayne
WB4OGM

They look like Numitrons. 5vdc firmaments for each segment.

Like in my Thermo Numitron Clock https://wiki.rodaw.com/wiki/Thermo_Numitron_Clock    :-)

[File:ThermoNumitronClockWithUWP.JPG]



 - Jeff


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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Wed Nov  3 09:58:56 2021
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 13:58:56 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Interesting Piece eBay
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From:  highpwr at bellsouth.net [highpwr at bellsouth.net] -- Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:57 PM

> Anybody know what this thing might be, just curious.
> VINTAGE DIGITECH 2012-02 FREQUENCY ERROR COUNTER COLLINS HAM RADIO RTTY NIXIE
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324851266001?hash=item4ba2a4f1d1:g:JKwAAOSwNOphbNVm

Looks like an RS-232 test generator.  On the right are 2 banks of toggle switches for entering the 2 characters of data.  You get to pick the baud rate -- any baud rate.  By default, ASCII, but I'll bet you can use it with shorter codes (extra 1 bits at the end of a character are just extra stop bits).  You can set it up to send a variety of tests other than the two characters from the toggle switches.  Looks like it would be fun to play with.  Built in the 1960s or first half of the 1970s, judging by the PCB traces and the small-scale integrated circuits.

The Collins badge on the back is an inventory control sticker, so this was presumably used by Collins in their factory or in their R&D labs.  Back when I worked at Collins, I loved shopping in their corporate surplus outlet.  You could get the most amazing things there.  This looks like the kind of thing that would have gone to surplus about then (mid 1980s).

            Doug Jones
            jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Wed Nov  3 11:26:45 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:26:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
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Thanks to Ducan this mystery is solved.

On page 6, fig. 8, there it is

https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/asr/TGC29-Mite%20ASR%20patent.pdf

Who would ever think to look at patent information?

Anyone have a TGC29?

On 11/1/2021 7:09 PM, John wrote:
> Might this be for a Mite?  If so which one?
>
>
>
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  3 11:40:12 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 11:40:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <37c8b6fa-651b-1d77-caa8-81ead7589ed2@tx.rr.com>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
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Thanks to Nick for posting the patent!

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 03-Nov-21 11:26, John wrote:
> Thanks to Ducan this mystery is solved.
>
> On page 6, fig. 8, there it is
>
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/asr/TGC29-Mite%20ASR%20patent.pdf
>
> Who would ever think to look at patent information?
>
> Anyone have a TGC29?
>
> On 11/1/2021 7:09 PM, John wrote:
>> Might this be for a Mite?? If so which one?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  3 12:15:49 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 16:15:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
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 I have a model 15 that I'm just now getting the time to work on its restoration. As part of procuring this TTY, my goal has always been to connect it to my vintage computers in the same manner I use my Model 33 (see http://deramp.com). To this end, I designed an interface board to make this happen. Until I get my model 15 fully restored, I can't fully prove out the interface board, but both are progressing nicely at the moment.

Here's a picture of the interface board: https://deramp.com/downloads/teletype/Model%2015/pictures/60ma%20Interface.jpg

On the right side, the interface board provides 1/4" phone jacks for connecting to the printer loop and the keyboard loop of the Model 15. On left side is a barrel jack for a 15v AC adapter, an RJ-14 jack for RS-232 connection using modular DB-9 or DB-25 connectors, and an audio jack for connecting AFSK feeds (e.g. ITTY).

The RS-232 connection uses ASCII at 9600 baud and includes a handshake line to throttle the sending computer. With a terminal emulator, it's just a matter of turning on the "hardware handshake" checkbox. For vintage computers, virtually all serial boards bring out the CTS pin of the UART to the DB-25 and that will throttle the transmitter without any software changes. This allows the source computer to use ASCII at a standard baud rate instead of having to worry about a five bit code or 45.5 baud support.

Presently, I have tables installed for ITA2-TTY and USA-TTY for the ASCII-Baudot conversion. I've also added the ability to generate ASCII keycodes that can't be generated by the Model 15 keyboard by defining an "escape" sequence starting with either FIGS-FIGS or the blank key.

The audio interface demodulates AFSK (presently 2125 Mark - 2295 Space as used with ITTY) and send the demodulated output directly to the printer.

Another goal of the interface is to make it "regenerative" in that is does not require an external high voltage loop supply and does not use a switcher on-board to generate the high voltage required. Instead, a regenerative approach is used in which the snubber circuit for the selector magnet coil captures the energy from the mark to space transition and then dumps that energy back into the selector magnet during a space to mark transition.

For the following paragraph, reference this scope screenshot https://deramp.com/downloads/teletype/Model%2015/pictures/60ma%20Interface%20Scope.jpg

Consider an idle marking state in which a low voltage supply (e.g., 15vdc) is supplying 60ma holding current through the selector magnet coil. A subsequent transition to space charges a snubber capacitor to high voltage in about 2ms as the selector magnet?s field collapses. At the next transition to mark, the capacitor is dumped back into the selector magnet. Coil current reaches 50ma within about 2ms as the capacitor discharges. The low voltage supply then builds up to, and holds, 60ma until the cycle repeats at the next mark to space transition.

Mike


     On Wednesday, November 3, 2021, 12:24:25 AM CST, Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
My decoder recently died so have been toying with replacements ideas that would also incorporate some sort of serial interface to the computer

The least soldering and building or thinking too hard.....
An old computer with built in serial interface is probably the easiest thing using optocouplers and say heavy metal as your (go between)?
Its?pretty easy to find an old computer with built in serial. To tell if its suitable run heavy metal on it with a loopback to pins 2&3 on the serial port at 45.5 baud
If that computer sends what it receives then "Nagle's" board at?https://www.aetherltd.com/connecting.html would be your magic device interface.
All the parts for that board are available.

Arduino...
Lots of solder, cerebral usage, wires laying all over the place and?programing......................
I started playing with arduino's recently because as I stated my decoder died and I wanted something a tad more sophisticated to do the decoding and to have some sort of serial interface too would be nice to send to the teletype from computer all in one box instead of two boxes I had. My prev decoder ran the teletype and would put the text on a video monitor and it was about 30 years old. I also had on the?loop a serial interface and would sometimes get a mess if both talked at the same time.
On the arduino front I have the Sending from the arduino down pat. Decoding from the loop I just got working. Now I need to add a second "loop decoder" and feed demodulated RTTY input into the second loop decoder is the project for this weekend...
For that project I heavily borrowed source code and circuits from two sources and modified it for my needs.
https://k183.bake-neko.net/ji3bnb/page13_d.html.. (PLL CIRCUIT and some code)
and?
https://heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype? (Some of the code)?
The volpe board kinda would do what I want BUT I'm also not into soldering SMD's (Surface mounted devices) so since it was designed for a "32u4 AVR"I decided to adapt the code to run on a "Leonardo/Arduino board" and add a second decode input for the RTTY.
Nice thing about having two decode loops (one for the keyboard/teletype loop) and one for the RTTY the arduino can monitor the traffic and either block the keyboard or block the RTTY when one or the other is sending at least thats the plan. And its a hell of a lot easier than all that SMD nonsense.






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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 12:27:33 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 12:27:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] free manuals
Message-ID: <6182B875.12387.1D74D6E5@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

I have acquired the following manuals ... 
available to anyone who wants one or more, 
for just the cost of postage. 

HAL Communications -- 

ARQ 1000A Error Correction Terminal, Oper. Manual

M-1700 Radio Modem for above, Instruction Manual 

ST-8000 HF Modem, Operator's Manual [2 copies] 

Jim  W2JC 





From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 13:15:01 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 13:15:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] free manuals
In-Reply-To: <6182B875.27960.1D74D742@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <6182B875.27960.1D74D742@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
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On 3 Nov 2021 at 12:27, Jim Cooper wrote:

> I have acquired the following manuals ... 
> available to anyone who wants one or more, 
> for just the cost of postage. 

The HAL manuals have been spoken for !! 



From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 13:15:02 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 13:15:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] free manuals
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References: <6182B875.27960.1D74D742@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
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On 3 Nov 2021 at 12:27, Jim Cooper wrote:

> I have acquired the following manuals ... 
> available to anyone who wants one or more, 
> for just the cost of postage. 

The HAL manuals have been spoken for !! 



From Duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  3 13:16:01 2021
From: Duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncanancy)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 13:16:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] free manuals
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I'll take them for the AWA Museum library.Thanks?Duncan?K2OEQ?Sent from my Kleinschmidt TT-4/TG, the US Army's first portable digital communications device, 1950-1980
-------- Original message --------From: Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com> Date: 11/3/21  12:29  (GMT-05:00) To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: [GreenKeys] free manuals I have acquired the following manuals ... available to anyone who wants one or more, for just the cost of postage. HAL Communications -- ARQ 1000A Error Correction Terminal, Oper. ManualM-1700 Radio Modem for above, Instruction Manual ST-8000 HF Modem, Operator's Manual [2 copies] Jim? W2JC ______________________________________________________________GreenKeys mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeysHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.htmlThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to duncanancy at earthlink.net
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  3 18:55:13 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 17:55:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] what printer does this go to?
In-Reply-To: <37c8b6fa-651b-1d77-caa8-81ead7589ed2@tx.rr.com>
References: <37bdfbce-161f-d410-f9bc-a7f91ad41d28@tapr.org>
	<c74748e1-821d-cd9a-8dd9-a09a5874b723@tx.rr.com>
	<37c8b6fa-651b-1d77-caa8-81ead7589ed2@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111031747040.32308@Frances>

It's interesting that Bernard Howard is about the only patentee of Mite
Corp.  The only biographical information I have seen for him was in the
Western Union Technical Review for April 1958, p. 68.  Where it seems he
has bounced around various companies in the aerospace and electronics
field, didn't have any obvious experience with teleprinters before or
after MITE Corp.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 22:27:38 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 22:27:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Setting M42 installer options
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNffuUJzsOqzp3dXknsXMRgcUKTzqUeHK+=QDd4GC7=JAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdt84Ykty+SGA=sbkxraSQ3AxjQhmNO8SBYu07bHcLD+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNffuUJzsOqzp3dXknsXMRgcUKTzqUeHK+=QDd4GC7=JAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNc6zvvCS=C5F7ho_P3TvuLY3mRqqpZeOPPjPMxiRmn5gw@mail.gmail.com>

 OK - See attached. I have found this info on DIP switch settings for
option 467 in 455M (for the buffered M42). This is exactly what I need
except ----

My M42 is a "Basic" Telex unit (no buffer memory)  and I can't find a
similar set of DIP switches. Dang! There must be some way to enable an
installer to set options beyond DbLF (Double Line Feed) which is where my
M42 stops. Otherwise I can't set the Baud Rate or Answer-Back, etc.!
Does anyone have 518M which is installation info for the Basic M42? That
might give me a clue. Did any of you guys ever install a Telex M42 and have
dim memories of how to set the Answer-back?

Thanks,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:43 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW, here is a list of the M42 options (thanks to Leanne W1WXS)
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/m42/m42_144908451.jpg
> The leftmost column options are listed in the 516M manual as "User
> Programmable" while the rest are the "Installer Programmable" ones which I
> can't figure out how to change,,,,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 2:18 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have finally figured out some options on my Telex Basic M42 ASR (thanks
>> to greenkeyer Leanne for a copy of 516M).
>> But when I get to the end of the User Programmable Options list, I am
>> stuck.
>> How do I access the Installer Programmable Options like baud rate,
>> answer-back, etc.
>>
>> Probably the magic switch is staring me in the face, but I can?t figure
>> it out. I am fully prepared to slap my forehead and say Doh! if someone can
>> please enlighten me.
>> Cheers
>> Nick
>>
>> --
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>
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From jbensadon at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  3 23:12:48 2021
From: jbensadon at hotmail.com (Josh Bensadon)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 03:12:48 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] How to invite someone to GreenKeys?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNc6zvvCS=C5F7ho_P3TvuLY3mRqqpZeOPPjPMxiRmn5gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdt84Ykty+SGA=sbkxraSQ3AxjQhmNO8SBYu07bHcLD+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNffuUJzsOqzp3dXknsXMRgcUKTzqUeHK+=QDd4GC7=JAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNc6zvvCS=C5F7ho_P3TvuLY3mRqqpZeOPPjPMxiRmn5gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB66358D809F80CF014F9CC444BB8D9@DM6PR05MB6635.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,

There's been some talk about Teletypes in the S100 computers forum, some of the guys there would like to join this email list.  How can I invite them?

I don't remember how I got here...  but when it comes to having bad memory, I think I'm in good company!

Josh Bensadon
Toronto




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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Nov  3 23:34:15 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 20:34:15 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] How to invite someone to GreenKeys?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB66358D809F80CF014F9CC444BB8D9@DM6PR05MB6635.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAB55hNdt84Ykty+SGA=sbkxraSQ3AxjQhmNO8SBYu07bHcLD+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNffuUJzsOqzp3dXknsXMRgcUKTzqUeHK+=QDd4GC7=JAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNc6zvvCS=C5F7ho_P3TvuLY3mRqqpZeOPPjPMxiRmn5gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM6PR05MB66358D809F80CF014F9CC444BB8D9@DM6PR05MB6635.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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On Wed, November 3, 2021 8:12 pm, Josh Bensadon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There's been some talk about Teletypes in the S100 computers forum, some
> of the guys there would like to join this email list.  How can I invite
> them?
>
> I don't remember how I got here...  but when it comes to having bad
> memory, I think I'm in good company!
>
> Josh Bensadon
> Toronto

A form for subscribing is at
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys .

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Thu Nov  4 16:49:36 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 15:49:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Small twist lock power connector
Message-ID: <B8F14C45-5417-4BDE-9AA8-811ABD88C67D@tx.rr.com>

Has anyone here found the correct NEMA designation or OEM part number for the female twist lock power connector used on some Teletype products like bases for miniaturized LXD or ROTR.  

John, W9DDD



From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 17:23:52 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:23:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Small twist lock power connector
In-Reply-To: <B8F14C45-5417-4BDE-9AA8-811ABD88C67D@tx.rr.com>
References: <B8F14C45-5417-4BDE-9AA8-811ABD88C67D@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNf8Nx2_ywe8dZCNZVeZcCqnjMYUuk5fEmGZJCTXJRkhTg@mail.gmail.com>

There are two sizes of small twist locks.
I believe the one you need is 15/16" diameter
NEMA ML-1R, Hubbell HBL7464V
Try that one and see.

The other is 1-1/8" dia and also has a center ground pin.
NEMA ML-3R, Hubbell HBL7484

They both are marked Hubbell Twist-Lock 15A.125V./10A.250V.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:49 PM John <john-koster at tx.rr.com> wrote:

> Has anyone here found the correct NEMA designation or OEM part number for
> the female twist lock power connector used on some Teletype products like
> bases for miniaturized LXD or ROTR.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
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>
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From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Thu Nov  4 17:41:16 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 16:41:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Small twist lock power connector
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNf8Nx2_ywe8dZCNZVeZcCqnjMYUuk5fEmGZJCTXJRkhTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B8F14C45-5417-4BDE-9AA8-811ABD88C67D@tx.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNf8Nx2_ywe8dZCNZVeZcCqnjMYUuk5fEmGZJCTXJRkhTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7F6AE16-0C78-46A7-A0E3-BC9355AB6B5A@tx.rr.com>

I have a 3 pin, so I'll go measure the opening in the male part on the base to see if 1-1/8 will fit.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 4, 2021, at 4:23 PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There are two sizes of small twist locks.  
> I believe the one you need is 15/16" diameter
> NEMA ML-1R, Hubbell HBL7464V 
> Try that one and see.
> 
> The other is 1-1/8" dia and also has a center ground pin.
> NEMA ML-3R, Hubbell HBL7484
> 
> They both are marked Hubbell Twist-Lock 15A.125V./10A.250V.
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:49 PM John <john-koster at tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone here found the correct NEMA designation or OEM part number for the female twist lock power connector used on some Teletype products like bases for miniaturized LXD or ROTR.  
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Fri Nov  5 14:22:24 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 13:22:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
Message-ID: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>

I don't recall ever seeing one like this before.


-- 

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Nov  5 14:23:22 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:23:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype
	equipment?]
Message-ID: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>




---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?
From:    "Bill Horne" <malQassRimiMlation at gmail.com>
Date:    Thu, November 4, 2021 2:45 pm
To:      telecomdigestmoderator at telecom-digest.org.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just came across a website with a lot of Teletype equipment for sale.

https://picclick.com/Popular/teletype-machine

-- 
Bill Horne
(Remove QRM from my email address to write to me directly)



-- 
FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
Not sent from an iPhone.

From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Nov  5 14:33:50 2021
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:33:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
In-Reply-To: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
References: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <65e7c77c-dee3-24ed-4825-13db610b6849@arrl.net>

Looks like the Cinch-Jones two-pin male, just in a configuration not 
usually seen.

Doug, KA2WFT

On 11/5/2021 2:22 PM, John wrote:
> I don't recall ever seeing one like this before.
> 
> 

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Nov  5 14:33:38 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 18:33:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for
 Teletype	equipment?]
In-Reply-To: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <482113900.921160.1636137218051@mail.yahoo.com>

At $500 to $1000+ per piece, I am NOT looking! ?LOL

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org>
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2021 11:23 am
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?]




---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?
From:? ? "Bill Horne" <malQassRimiMlation at gmail.com>
Date:? ? Thu, November 4, 2021 2:45 pm
To:? ? ? telecomdigestmoderator at telecom-digest.org.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just came across a website with a lot of Teletype equipment for sale.

https://picclick.com/Popular/teletype-machine

-- 
Bill Horne
(Remove QRM from my email address to write to me directly)



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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Nov  5 14:35:08 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 18:35:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
In-Reply-To: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
References: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2093632039.925516.1636137308973@mail.yahoo.com>

I have. You want the female for that, right? Can you provide the dimensions of blades & spacing so I can see if I have the right size?

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: John <john-koster at tx.rr.com>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2021 11:22 am
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed

I don't recall ever seeing one like this before.


-- 

John Koster
john-koster at tx.rr.com


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From dave.g4ugm at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 14:39:47 2021
From: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com (dave.g4ugm at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 18:39:47 -0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for
	Teletype	equipment?]
In-Reply-To: <482113900.921160.1636137218051@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<482113900.921160.1636137218051@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <144401d7d274$82960cb0$87c22610$@gmail.com>

It actually has no items for sale. Its an aggregation site pulling stuff from e-bay, amazon and other sites.

Usually these sites are a total waste of time?

 

Dave

G4UGM

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of hwhall at compuserve.com
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:34
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?]

 

At $500 to $1000+ per piece, I am NOT looking!  LOL

Wayne 

WB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org <mailto:harold at w6iwi.org> >
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2021 11:23 am
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?]

 

 

 

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------

Subject: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?

From:    "Bill Horne" <malQassRimiMlation at gmail.com <mailto:malQassRimiMlation at gmail.com> >

Date:    Thu, November 4, 2021 2:45 pm

To:      telecomdigestmoderator at telecom-digest.org. <mailto:telecomdigestmoderator at telecom-digest.org.> 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I just came across a website with a lot of Teletype equipment for sale.

 

https://picclick.com/Popular/teletype-machine

 

-- 

Bill Horne

(Remove QRM from my email address to write to me directly)

 

 

 

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>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/

>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html

>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html

 

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Nov  5 14:51:46 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:51:46 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for
 Teletype	equipment?]
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References: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
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On Fri, November 5, 2021 11:39 am, dave.g4ugm at gmail.com wrote:
> It actually has no items for sale. Its an aggregation site pulling stuff
> from e-bay, amazon and other sites.
>
> Usually these sites are a total waste of time???
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> G4UGM
>

Thanks! I should have looked more closely before forwarding.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Fri Nov  5 15:26:20 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:26:20 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
In-Reply-To: <2093632039.925516.1636137308973@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
	<2093632039.925516.1636137308973@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F6185A54-E180-4161-A16E-C8D19F2154FF@tx.rr.com>

As I took a closer look, I realize that it looks a lot like 2 pin Jones in a different housing.  
I'll go take some measurements.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 5, 2021, at 1:35 PM, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> 
> I have. You want the female for that, right? Can you provide the dimensions of blades & spacing so I can see if I have the right size?
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John <john-koster at tx.rr.com>
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2021 11:22 am
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
> 
> I don't recall ever seeing one like this before.
> 
> 
> -- 
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  5 18:02:43 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:02:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
In-Reply-To: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
References: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111051656140.9272@Frances>

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021, John wrote:

I've seen them, but I don't remember who made them.  Obviously the mating
connector has a circular shell with a ring to screw it to the part in
the picture.  It's not the usual Jones plug, which has equal-size blades.
You could look at a bunch of Teletype parts books and maybe find it shown.

Time for an anecdote.  Teletype R&D used to have a yearly engineering 
convocation with speakers from inside and outside the company.  One of
the talks, which hardly needed any talking, just the visual display,
was by a manufacturing engineer.  He had two 4x8 sheets of plywood on
easels, each one filled with connectors we were using and the part 
numbers.  His plea was obvious: before you release yet another connector,
look at the ones we are already using and see if one of them won't do.

> I don't recall ever seeing one like this before.
>
> john-koster at tx.rr.com
>
>
>

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Fri Nov  5 18:18:48 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 17:18:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111051656140.9272@Frances>
References: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111051656140.9272@Frances>
Message-ID: <BE1ECF65-EDC2-4A67-ACB8-9C3DABFD2576@tx.rr.com>

Reperforator base parts bulletin does have a Teletype part number, but of course no OEM number. 

The suggestion about Jones plug eventually led to S-202-CCT as a possible match.  

That presentation may explain why so many later products used the 36 pin ribbon connector (aka centronics) even if they only used 6 of the pins.  

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 5, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2021, John wrote:
> 
> I've seen them, but I don't remember who made them.  Obviously the mating
> connector has a circular shell with a ring to screw it to the part in
> the picture.  It's not the usual Jones plug, which has equal-size blades.
> You could look at a bunch of Teletype parts books and maybe find it shown.
> 
> Time for an anecdote.  Teletype R&D used to have a yearly engineering convocation with speakers from inside and outside the company.  One of
> the talks, which hardly needed any talking, just the visual display,
> was by a manufacturing engineer.  He had two 4x8 sheets of plywood on
> easels, each one filled with connectors we were using and the part numbers.  His plea was obvious: before you release yet another connector,
> look at the ones we are already using and see if one of them won't do.
> 
>> I don't recall ever seeing one like this before.
>> 
>> john-koster at tx.rr.com
> 
>    ---
> 
>    "Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>    "No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
>        Meredith Willson, The Music Man


From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 15:46:23 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 15:46:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for
	Teletype equipment?]
In-Reply-To: <a445f8a6e564143a4d525a61eaa09423.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<482113900.921160.1636137218051@mail.yahoo.com>
	<144401d7d274$82960cb0$87c22610$@gmail.com>
	<a445f8a6e564143a4d525a61eaa09423.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBT2Uf_O5XG0b2k4EU5GT2iJsghjZ_e_UF8U31LCtaqtJg@mail.gmail.com>

I search facebook marketplace, craigslist (via search tempest) and of
course eBay
People see the unrealistic prices on ebay and of course say,"They go for
that $i???-?Razy price"
Then I challenge them to show me a completed auction for that item at that
price (that never happens) LOL!!!
The other problem is the "Pick up only" no ship.... Lots of those..... They
are either really cheap in some out of the way place like Alaska
or local for Crazy loot.
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  5 19:31:00 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 18:31:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another connector needed
In-Reply-To: <BE1ECF65-EDC2-4A67-ACB8-9C3DABFD2576@tx.rr.com>
References: <fbf4e514-9925-ffa5-2c40-bbd266f9e65b@tx.rr.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111051656140.9272@Frances>
	<BE1ECF65-EDC2-4A67-ACB8-9C3DABFD2576@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111051830350.9943@Frances>

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021, John wrote:
>
> The suggestion about Jones plug eventually led to S-202-CCT as a possible match.
>
Yeah, that looks like it.

From jim7738937 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 23:04:18 2021
From: jim7738937 at yahoo.com (Family Man)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 03:04:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking
	for	Teletype	equipment?]
In-Reply-To: <144401d7d274$82960cb0$87c22610$@gmail.com>
References: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<482113900.921160.1636137218051@mail.yahoo.com>
	<144401d7d274$82960cb0$87c22610$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <897465684.732032.1636167858141@mail.yahoo.com>

An aggregation site pulling from others sites' posted for sale?
Those prices make me look like I'm giving away my deceased father's Model 14 and 15 stuff.
Thanks for the link.

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Nov  5 23:06:50 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 03:06:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still
	looking	for	Teletype	equipment?]
In-Reply-To: <897465684.732032.1636167858141@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2f6632266ef7c07e9ebb08faaf3bb5ca.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<482113900.921160.1636137218051@mail.yahoo.com>
	<144401d7d274$82960cb0$87c22610$@gmail.com>
	<897465684.732032.1636167858141@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2142127604.1039606.1636168010945@mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, you'd have to follow all the links to see if any of those actually sold & the final prices.

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
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To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com; hwhall at compuserve.com; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2021 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [Fwd: [telecom] Is anyone still looking for Teletype equipment?]

An aggregation site pulling from others sites' posted for sale?
Those prices make me look like I'm giving away my deceased father's Model 14 and 15 stuff.
Thanks for the link.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  5 19:24:35 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 23:24:35 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
Message-ID: <CH2PR17MB395915172530C30234213FF4908E9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I'm restoring two teletypes just in the beginning one of my friends I found out also is restoring one...  He is looking the drawstring for the carriage return...  I don't have a spare only the two on my machines and he said Mr. RTTY has none... His eyelet is broke so he needs a new eyelet...  Mr RTTY said a flat shoestring would work and reuse the eyelets which wont work in this case...  would mcmaster carr have something that would work as an eyelet???
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sat Nov  6 11:26:03 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2021 11:26:03 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR17MB395915172530C30234213FF4908E9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB395915172530C30234213FF4908E9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <61869E8B.8659.2CAF9D52@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 5 Nov 2021 at 23:24, chris johnson wrote:

> Mr RTTY said a flat shoestring would
> work and reuse the eyelets which wont
> work in this case...  would mcmaster
> carr have something that would work
> as an eyelet??? 

What about a crimp-on wire lug with a hole
large enough to fit over the post ?

w2jc 

ps:  be careful of the SPRING WOUND DRUM 
on which the draw strap wraps.  If you just 
disconnect the strap from the post, the drum 
will go BOING and possibly damage the internal 
spring.  Also good idea to unwind the drum slowly 
and COUNT the number of revolutions for the 
proper spring tension when you put on a replacement 
draw strap of whatever type you decide to use. 



From ad7i at ad7i.net  Sat Nov  6 11:28:09 2021
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (ad7i)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 11:28:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR17MB395915172530C30234213FF4908E9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB395915172530C30234213FF4908E9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Although I did purchase a drawstring from Mr. RTTY for my Model 15 last
year, I haven't installed it yet.  For the last 15 years (and still going)
I've been using a piece of waxed lacing cord formed into a loop by a square
knot.  If you want to go that route I have a lifetime supply (but then, I'm
old) of waxed lacing cord.  I'd be happy to mail you a 3 foot piece, which
should be good for two strap replacements.

Paul, ad7i


On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm restoring two teletypes just in the beginning one of my friends I
> found out also is restoring one...  He is looking the drawstring for the
> carriage return...  I don't have a spare only the two on my machines and he
> said Mr. RTTY has none... His eyelet is broke so he needs a new eyelet...
> Mr RTTY said a flat shoestring would work and reuse the eyelets which wont
> work in this case...  would mcmaster carr have something that would work as
> an eyelet???
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From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Sat Nov  6 18:52:09 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 17:52:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Gears needed
Message-ID: <09C394CC-4CEC-435D-BDBD-3451B1BB55BD@tx.rr.com>

173600 26T pinion
173599 120T driven
173598 set number
Fits a LXD base

John, W9DDD


From ai2q at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  6 18:59:39 2021
From: ai2q at roadrunner.com (Radio AI2Q)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:59:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Gears needed
In-Reply-To: <09C394CC-4CEC-435D-BDBD-3451B1BB55BD@tx.rr.com>
References: <09C394CC-4CEC-435D-BDBD-3451B1BB55BD@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <26ff5477-fbf0-cd1c-ec97-54df2d1edb35@roadrunner.com>

Are these for a Model 28?

I have a lot of parts for Model 28s, but nobody seems to want them.

== Alex, AI2Q


On 11/6/2021 6:52 PM, John wrote:
> 173600 26T pinion
> 173599 120T driven
> 173598 set number
> Fits a LXD base
>
> John, W9DDD
>
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From john-koster at tx.rr.com  Sat Nov  6 19:29:10 2021
From: john-koster at tx.rr.com (John)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:29:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Gears needed
In-Reply-To: <26ff5477-fbf0-cd1c-ec97-54df2d1edb35@roadrunner.com>
References: <09C394CC-4CEC-435D-BDBD-3451B1BB55BD@tx.rr.com>
	<26ff5477-fbf0-cd1c-ec97-54df2d1edb35@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <0C02FA1B-2A22-422F-B163-0DE22CAE27B2@tx.rr.com>

Model 28 miniaturized LXD is where they're needed.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 6, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Are these for a Model 28?
> 
> I have a lot of parts for Model 28s, but nobody seems to want them.
> 
> == Alex, AI2Q
> 
> 
>> On 11/6/2021 6:52 PM, John wrote:
>> 173600 26T pinion
>> 173599 120T driven
>> 173598 set number
>> Fits a LXD base
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
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From k1lky68 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 00:36:07 2021
From: k1lky68 at gmail.com (Roy Morgan)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 00:36:07 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0AED2F11-EE90-49BC-81E8-E6BFA7F49646@gmail.com>

The "sewing notions"section of the fabric store or a hobby store may have eydlets znd the polars you install them. 

I got these "ProSource" pliars with eyelets at a craft swap. 

Roy Morgan
K1LKY Western Mass

> 
>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 

>> His eyelet is broke so he needs a new eyelet...  Mr RTTY said a flat shoestring would work and reuse the eyelets which wont work in this case...  would mcmaster carr have something that would work ?


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From ai2q at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov  7 08:16:42 2021
From: ai2q at roadrunner.com (Radio AI2Q)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 08:16:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletype Model 28 parts
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Teletype Model 28 parts
Date: 	Wed, 12 May 2021 19:45:05 -0400
From: 	Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com>
To: 	greenkeys at mailman.qth.net



Model 28 Teletype parts


I have the following parts, mostly in envelopes with Teletype part 
numbers. Take 'em all in one shot.

 ?Free. You pay shipping.

=====================================

158605 pinion

211905 2 ea.

211906

211907 3 ea.

211921

151315

151317

151316

181322 Carriage Return Pawl

151310

 ?151308

152009

181460

151302

151322

157238

151309

151318

181325

180948

153440 Function Bar, 3 ea.

75765Hook

150078 Nut shoulder, 2 ea.

157659

157636Period pallet, 5 ea.

1576396 ea.

1576384 ea.

1576376 ea.

157635

1576436 ea.

1576416 ea.

1576456 ea.

1576466 ea.

1576486 ea.

1576406 ea.

1576602 ea.

1576622 ea.

1576444 ea.

1576495 ea.

Tool pouch (musty) with 99391 gauge, 180587 gauge, 14768 tool, 70D gram tool

1500742 ea.

154202, screws, 50 ea.

41382 springs, 2 ea.

75646 pins 2 ea.

 ?Type blocks (small and large type faces) 5 ea. 151930 (?)

 ?157635 5 ea. Pallet

180041 springs, 3 ea.

Pkg. Pallet screws

 ?Teletype Corp. Notes: Stunt Box Theory, Installation, Maintenance

 ?Teletype Corp. Stunt Box Course Book



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From ai2q at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov  7 08:40:39 2021
From: ai2q at roadrunner.com (Radio AI2Q)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 08:40:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletype Model 28 parts
In-Reply-To: <328b9f96-facd-af28-165b-c62820d4f2dd@austin.rr.com>
References: <694beb04-137c-318f-994d-1d82db3e6913@roadrunner.com>
	<e93f818d-c8f9-e829-9ccd-033acdc417e9@roadrunner.com>
	<328b9f96-facd-af28-165b-c62820d4f2dd@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <7ffb0dd2-d2d4-2ae6-37d8-60bf5fe9252a@roadrunner.com>

One op says he wants them and I'm awaiting his reply.

I wonder why there's interest now, and not back in May when I first 
posted this.

Also, I have my Model 28 up, too.

Vy 73, AI2Q, Alex


On 11/7/2021 8:35 AM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
>
> If still available I would take them.? Let me know shipping and wills 
> end money or can give you my fedex acct #.? Good on QRZ
>
>
> John
>
> KG5YLG
>
> On 11/7/2021 7:16 AM, Radio AI2Q wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	Teletype Model 28 parts
>> Date: 	Wed, 12 May 2021 19:45:05 -0400
>> From: 	Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com>
>> To: 	greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Model 28 Teletype parts
>>
>>
>> I have the following parts, mostly in envelopes with Teletype part 
>> numbers. Take 'em all in one shot.
>>
>> ?Free. You pay shipping.
>>
>> =====================================
>>
>> 158605 pinion
>>
>> 211905 2 ea.
>>
>> 211906
>>
>> 211907 3 ea.
>>
>> 211921
>>
>> 151315
>>
>> 151317
>>
>> 151316
>>
>> 181322 Carriage Return Pawl
>>
>> 151310
>>
>> ?151308
>>
>> 152009
>>
>> 181460
>>
>> 151302
>>
>> 151322
>>
>> 157238
>>
>> 151309
>>
>> 151318
>>
>> 181325
>>
>> 180948
>>
>> 153440 Function Bar, 3 ea.
>>
>> 75765Hook
>>
>> 150078 Nut shoulder, 2 ea.
>>
>> 157659
>>
>> 157636Period pallet, 5 ea.
>>
>> 1576396 ea.
>>
>> 1576384 ea.
>>
>> 1576376 ea.
>>
>> 157635
>>
>> 1576436 ea.
>>
>> 1576416 ea.
>>
>> 1576456 ea.
>>
>> 1576466 ea.
>>
>> 1576486 ea.
>>
>> 1576406 ea.
>>
>> 1576602 ea.
>>
>> 1576622 ea.
>>
>> 1576444 ea.
>>
>> 1576495 ea.
>>
>> Tool pouch (musty) with 99391 gauge, 180587 gauge, 14768 tool, 70D 
>> gram tool
>>
>> 1500742 ea.
>>
>> 154202, screws, 50 ea.
>>
>> 41382 springs, 2 ea.
>>
>> 75646 pins 2 ea.
>>
>> ?Type blocks (small and large type faces) 5 ea. 151930 (?)
>>
>> ?157635 5 ea. Pallet
>>
>> 180041 springs, 3 ea.
>>
>> Pkg. Pallet screws
>>
>> ?Teletype Corp. Notes: Stunt Box Theory, Installation, Maintenance
>>
>> ?Teletype Corp. Stunt Box Course Book
>>
>>
>>
>> eof
>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  7 08:58:35 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 14:58:35 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletype Model 28 parts
In-Reply-To: <7ffb0dd2-d2d4-2ae6-37d8-60bf5fe9252a@roadrunner.com>
References: <7ffb0dd2-d2d4-2ae6-37d8-60bf5fe9252a@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <ED16CA53-393E-4DCB-B925-CC3B5099EC9B@comcast.net>

Ok good. This is fine. Keep them safe for others. 

Paul
W2TTY


> On Nov 7, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> One op says he wants them and I'm awaiting his reply.
> 
> I wonder why there's interest now, and not back in May when I first posted this.
> 
> Also, I have my Model 28 up, too.
> 
> Vy 73, AI2Q, Alex
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2021 8:35 AM, John Hargett wrote:
>> Alex,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If still available I would take them.  Let me know shipping and wills end money or can give you my fedex acct #.  Good on QRZ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> KG5YLG
>> 
>> On 11/7/2021 7:16 AM, Radio AI2Q wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:	Teletype Model 28 parts
>>> Date:	Wed, 12 May 2021 19:45:05 -0400
>>> From:	Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com>
>>> To:	greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Model 28 Teletype parts
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have the following parts, mostly in envelopes with Teletype part numbers. Take 'em all in one shot.
>>> 
>>>  Free. You pay shipping.
>>> 
>>> =====================================
>>> 
>>> 158605 pinion
>>> 211905 2 ea.
>>> 
>>> 211906
>>> 
>>> 211907 3 ea.
>>> 
>>> 211921
>>> 
>>> 151315
>>> 
>>> 151317
>>> 
>>> 151316
>>> 
>>> 181322 Carriage Return Pawl
>>> 
>>> 151310
>>> 
>>>  151308
>>> 
>>> 152009
>>> 
>>> 181460
>>> 
>>> 151302
>>> 
>>> 151322
>>> 
>>> 157238
>>> 
>>> 151309
>>> 
>>> 151318
>>> 
>>> 181325
>>> 
>>> 180948
>>> 
>>> 153440 Function Bar, 3 ea.
>>> 
>>> 75765  Hook
>>> 
>>> 150078 Nut shoulder, 2 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157659
>>> 
>>> 157636  Period pallet, 5 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157639  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157638  4 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157637  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157635
>>> 
>>> 157643  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157641  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157645  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157646  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157648  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157640  6 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157660  2 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157662  2 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157644  4 ea.
>>> 
>>> 157649  5 ea.
>>> 
>>> Tool pouch (musty) with 99391 gauge, 180587 gauge, 14768 tool, 70D gram tool
>>> 
>>> 150074  2 ea.
>>> 
>>> 154202, screws, 50 ea.
>>> 
>>> 41382 springs, 2 ea.
>>> 
>>> 75646 pins 2 ea.
>>> 
>>>  Type blocks (small and large type faces) 5 ea. 151930 (?)
>>> 
>>>  157635 5 ea. Pallet
>>> 
>>> 180041 springs, 3 ea.
>>> 
>>> Pkg. Pallet screws
>>> 
>>>  Teletype Corp. Notes: Stunt Box Theory, Installation, Maintenance
>>> 
>>>  Teletype Corp. Stunt Box Course Book
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> eof
>>> 
>>> 
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>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  6 18:19:02 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:19:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB395915172530C30234213FF4908E9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBTjnj0J_MUkG21wtP_7ToPJn0mvmbJnTXHsBtM_X46_-Q@mail.gmail.com>

A small picture frame hanger swivel eyelet and a shoelace works wonders.
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From js at teletype.net  Sun Nov  7 13:25:23 2021
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 11:25:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2021 Halloween Broadcast
In-Reply-To: <287f630b-ac21-474d-9da6-4548bb860089@www.fastmail.com>
References: <d07b4b7c-0f6a-4995-bd5d-3eb5b1d8b809@www.fastmail.com>
	<287f630b-ac21-474d-9da6-4548bb860089@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <f2a94739-51b3-4eaa-b86e-e0a8e6267194@www.fastmail.com>

For those who couldn't tune in but still wish to get the story in full 45 baud glory, recordings are now available here: https://teletype.net/display/TEL/Internet+Teletype+-+ITTY

While I prefer to get the broadcast in its original format for the real effect, gaps of silence and all, for the sake of those who don't want to deal with that, I had a change of heart. You can now get each recording in a condensed format without the test messages and each gap of silence collapsed to only a few seconds.

Thanks to everyone who tuned in this year, and be sure to get your machines in shape for the 2021 Santa Tracker coming Christmas Eve.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org


On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Jordan Spencer Cunningham wrote:
> Apologies-- there are some issues with the URL originally provided due to lack of proofreading. Please use the following *bone fide, *blue-check-verified URL to avoid undue confusion and delay:
> 
> http://tty.nerdology.org:8000/halloween
> 
> *The stream is now live* and will begin test messages at 2:00 PM MDT, main broadcast at 4:00 PM MDT. Happy Halloween!
> 
> -
> Jordan Spencer Cunningham
> teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
> SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, at 11:31 PM, Jordan Spencer Cunningham wrote:
>> The time fast approaches for the third annual Halloween spookytime broadcast, this time an original story written for the teletype medium by yours truly, titled simply *Lunatic*. 
>> 
>> Test messages including Halloween song lyrics and poems will be broadcast every quarter hour beginning at 2:00 PM MDT on October 31. The broadcast of the story itself will begin at 4:00 PM MDT, lasting about two hours. It will be streamed at https://tty.nerdology.org:8000/halloween <https://tty.nerdology.org:8008/halloween2021> (note that accessing the link will result in a 404 error until 10 - 15 minutes before the first test message begins).
>> 
>> As in times past, it will be broadcast as if the narrator were sending the messages in realtime with gaps of silence between for the sake of adding a sense of realism to the event. Therefore, leveraging an autostart mechanism if you have one available is recommended.
>> 
>> Mark/space tones will be at the usual frequencies (2125 mark, 2295 space; 170 shift). If you are already set up to use the fantastic ITTY or AUTOSTART channels, the only thing you'd need to change in your configuration is the streaming URL.
>> 
>> There will be one pic at the end. No overstrike.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, due to a long period of my equipment being mostly inaccessible for testing and the lack of time to work on it in the first place, this broadcast, like previous ones, will also *not* be USOS-friendly (unshift on space). Because of this, those who have machines equipped with USOS are advised to disable the functionality or use a different machine for the best experience, though the story itself shouldn't be impacted if you can't. This inadequacy is at the top of my list to resolve whenever I am able to work on that list again.
>> 
>> Be sure to join the stream if you can, and be wary of looking directly at the moon during these dangerous and mysterious times.
>> 
>> -
>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham
>> teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
>> SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org
>> 
> 
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> 
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sun Nov  7 13:46:53 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 11:46:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletype Model 28 parts
In-Reply-To: <e93f818d-c8f9-e829-9ccd-033acdc417e9@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.127.1636310830.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

I'll take them if they're not already spoken for.MikeKD7VRG
-------- Original message --------From: Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com> Date: 11/7/21  6:17 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletype Model 28 parts 
    
    
    
      
      -------- Forwarded Message --------
      
        
          
            Subject:
            
            Teletype Model 28 parts
          
          
            Date: 
            Wed, 12 May 2021 19:45:05 -0400
          
          
            From: 
            Radio AI2Q <ai2q at roadrunner.com>
          
          
            To: 
            greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
          
        
      
      
      
      
      
        Model
          28 Teletype parts
      
      
      I have the following parts, mostly in envelopes with Teletype
        part numbers. Take 'em all in one shot.
      
      ?Free. You pay shipping.
       
      =====================================
      
      158605 pinion
      211905 2 ea.
      211906
      211907 3 ea.
      211921
      151315
      151317
      151316
      181322 Carriage Return Pawl
      151310
      ?151308
      152009
      181460
      151302
      151322
      157238
      151309
      151318
      181325
      180948
      153440 Function Bar, 3 ea.
      75765? Hook
      150078 Nut shoulder, 2 ea.
      157659
      157636? Period
        pallet, 5 ea.
      157639? 6
        ea.
      157638? 4
        ea.
      157637? 6
        ea.
      157635
      157643? 6
        ea.
      157641? 6
        ea.
      157645? 6
        ea.
      157646? 6
        ea.
      157648? 6
        ea.
      157640? 6
        ea.
      157660? 2
        ea.
      157662? 2
        ea.
      157644? 4
        ea.
      157649? 5
        ea.
      Tool pouch (musty) with 99391 gauge, 180587
        gauge, 14768 tool, 70D gram tool
      150074? 2
        ea.
      154202, screws, 50 ea.
      41382 springs, 2 ea.
      75646 pins 2 ea.
      ?Type blocks (small and large type faces) 5
        ea. 151930 (?)
      ?157635 5 ea. Pallet
      180041 springs, 3 ea.
      Pkg. Pallet screws
      ?Teletype Corp. Notes: Stunt Box Theory,
        Installation, Maintenance
      ?Teletype Corp.
        Stunt Box Course Book
      
      
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  7 14:15:05 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 14:15:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <0AED2F11-EE90-49BC-81E8-E6BFA7F49646@gmail.com>
References: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AED2F11-EE90-49BC-81E8-E6BFA7F49646@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6da7e60f-166c-551e-d5ea-770e0a8fc73a@earthlink.net>

i just came across this from the GK list of a few years ago:
 ??? "Emergency CR Repair - Take About 9 Inches of #22 Stranded Wire And 
Solder Round Lugs On Each End"



have fun,

Duncan

>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM chris johnson 
>> <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>>     His eyelet is broke so he needs a new eyelet...? Mr RTTY said a
>>     flat shoestring would work and reuse the eyelets which wont work
>>     in this case...? would mcmaster carr have something that would work ?
>>
>


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 15:32:56 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 15:32:56 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Treasure Map to the Teletype Manual Archives!
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfuqVmL46fewxXMzMSjbksj5KkaF=b4ooPFEjXgY-akbA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Nick N0NCQ, I have scanned and posted 570-000-001 which is the
cross-index to the 9-digit BSP/TC sections. I've never come across this one
before, but sure wish I had!
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/570-000-001-index-7208.pdf

This publication:
1) lets you go from the old manual number (like 235B for the LXD M28 TD) to
the 9-digit sections 573-105-100, 575-127-703, etc, that make up later
versions.
2) gives you a complete index of 9-digit numbers (like 574-228-100 is for
the M35ASR Cabinet)
3) gives a cross-index from apparatus code to the proper 9-digit sections
(like the UCC M33 Call Control Unit entry lists the four applicable 9-digit
sections)

Have Fun Exploring!
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 16:19:18 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 16:19:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <6da7e60f-166c-551e-d5ea-770e0a8fc73a@earthlink.net>
References: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0AED2F11-EE90-49BC-81E8-E6BFA7F49646@gmail.com>,
	<6da7e60f-166c-551e-d5ea-770e0a8fc73a@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <618842D6.5655.33195F8B@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 7 Nov 2021 at 14:15, Duncan Brown wrote:

> i just came across this from the GK
> list of a few years ago: ???
> "Emergency CR Repair - Take About 9
> Inches of #22 Stranded Wire And
> Solder Round Lugs On Each End" 

I suspect the heavy-duty shoelace might 
work better since it would flex better; 
the stranded wire will work for a while, 
but most likely the flexing will cause it to 
break eventually ...  there is a reason why 
Teletype used a FLAT, WIDE cloth band! 

w2jc 




From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  7 16:44:48 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:44:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
In-Reply-To: <618842D6.5655.33195F8B@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <CANpP5D5V9DVoHqipTQNoausTcWDfb2FSHyazydJwzRz7fqh7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0AED2F11-EE90-49BC-81E8-E6BFA7F49646@gmail.com>
	<6da7e60f-166c-551e-d5ea-770e0a8fc73a@earthlink.net>
	<618842D6.5655.33195F8B@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c3db77b-003c-93e3-5fb5-1247f0ae3bdc@earthlink.net>

Jim,

Agree.

Note that is was labeled "Emergency CR Repair"

Duncan


On 07-Nov-21 16:19, Jim Cooper wrote:
> On 7 Nov 2021 at 14:15, Duncan Brown wrote:
>
>> i just came across this from the GK
>> list of a few years ago:
>> "Emergency CR Repair - Take About 9
>> Inches of #22 Stranded Wire And
>> Solder Round Lugs On Each End"
> I suspect the heavy-duty shoelace might
> work better since it would flex better;
> the stranded wire will work for a while,
> but most likely the flexing will cause it to
> break eventually ...  there is a reason why
> Teletype used a FLAT, WIDE cloth band!
>
> w2jc
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From hootsk at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 20:34:43 2021
From: hootsk at gmail.com (Chuck Robertson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 20:34:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
Message-ID: <CANNgJp=TTnffXRpjrdK4zh7JB-rB-DTDsXFesdL3i9Lw9fmNPQ@mail.gmail.com>

How can you tell if a machine has the stop motor feature? Is there a
particular key or switch that's noticeable with the cover on?

Charles
Newton, Mass.
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Sun Nov  7 21:09:17 2021
From: w8roi at wowway.com (w8roi)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:09:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
In-Reply-To: <CANNgJp=TTnffXRpjrdK4zh7JB-rB-DTDsXFesdL3i9Lw9fmNPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Chuck

One way is to let it run with no signal coming to it. If it has some kind of ?auto motor stop? it will stop. 

Some machines would stop the motor if a particular sequence of characters was received.    If this the case,  one keytop SHOULD  have the word  STOP  on the top half of the keytop. 

I think the idea was to reduce idle ?motor on time?  when there was no printing being done. 

There may be more ?schemes? than occurred to me,  and other G/K  people may come up with them. 

Happy printing!

Ralph - W8ROI 



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> On Nov 7, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Chuck Robertson <hootsk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> How can you tell if a machine has the stop motor feature? Is there a particular key or switch that's noticeable with the cover on?
> 
> Charles
> Newton, Mass.
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  7 21:09:53 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:09:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
In-Reply-To: <CANNgJp=TTnffXRpjrdK4zh7JB-rB-DTDsXFesdL3i9Lw9fmNPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANNgJp=TTnffXRpjrdK4zh7JB-rB-DTDsXFesdL3i9Lw9fmNPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94c256da-429d-771d-27a8-d02a561f5230@earthlink.net>

Charles,

The Motor Stop command is normally {FIGS} {H}? (uppercase H). But just 
because the keyboard H key also says "STOP", doesnt mean that the 
function is active in the printer.

First, the printer must have the stop relay installed, and second it 
must be engaged. There was typically an easy way to disable the Motor 
Stop function.

So, NO, you cannot tell if a machine has the motor stop option with the 
cover on. If you can power up the machine on a loop and type {FIGS} {H} 
and the motor shuts off, then it has Motor Stop.

What type of machine are you asking about. All the military Kleinschmidt 
machines (TT-4, TT-98, etc) included Motor Stop, but it was usually 
disabled.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 07-Nov-21 20:34, Chuck Robertson wrote:
> How can you tell if a machine has the stop motor feature? Is there a 
> particular key or switch that's noticeable with the cover on?
>
> Charles
> Newton, Mass.
>
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sun Nov  7 21:20:53 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 19:20:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
In-Reply-To: <94c256da-429d-771d-27a8-d02a561f5230@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.129.1636338088.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

My 28KSR came with the "H/STOP" key, but no motor stop hardware installed.Mike
-------- Original message --------From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> Date: 11/7/21  7:10 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature Charles,The Motor Stop command is normally {FIGS} {H}? (uppercase H). But just because the keyboard H key also says "STOP", doesnt mean that the function is active in the printer.First, the printer must have the stop relay installed, and second it must be engaged. There was typically an easy way to disable the Motor Stop function.So, NO, you cannot tell if a machine has the motor stop option with the cover on. If you can power up the machine on a loop and type {FIGS} {H} and the motor shuts off, then it has Motor Stop.What type of machine are you asking about. All the military Kleinschmidt machines (TT-4, TT-98, etc) included Motor Stop, but it was usually disabled.Have fun,DuncanK2OEQOn 07-Nov-21 20:34, Chuck Robertson wrote:> How can you tell if a machine has the stop motor feature? Is there a > particular key or switch that's noticeable with the cover on?>> Charles> Newton, Mass.>> ______________________________________________________________> GreenKeys mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to duncanancy at earthlink.net______________________________________________________________GreenKeys mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeysHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.htmlThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to mmcauley at cox.net
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  7 22:40:17 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:40:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
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And for Model 28 the stop code was sometimes FIGS BLANK H in the stunt
box, and there is an odd relay in the electrical service unit that latches
the motor off when the stop code is received and lets it go back on when
there is a break signal on the line.

In Model 15 there is a motor stop feature that doesn't use a relay, but
has a contact opened by upper case H in the function mechanism and
allowed to go closed by a mechanism around the selector magnet armature
extension.

Then there are motor stop features, including aftermarket things, that
do not use a code to stop the motor but use a timer - if the line stays
idle for a certain length of time it will turn the motor off, and turn
it back on when there is any activity on the line.

And there are some where the polarity of current in the signal line
determines whether the motor runs or stops.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From til128 at juno.com  Sun Nov  7 22:48:56 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 03:48:56 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
Message-ID: <20211107.224856.8832.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Also in the 28s there is a mod kit for a mechanical timer that stops the motor also. The big giveaway is the large relay on the LESU. To further complicate things, printers have been known to be swapped out which do not have the stunt box set up for motor stop. Tom WB2TTY

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:40:17 -0600 (CST)



And for Model 28 the stop code was sometimes FIGS BLANK H in the stunt
box, and there is an odd relay in the electrical service unit that latches
the motor off when the stop code is received and lets it go back on when
there is a break signal on the line.

In Model 15 there is a motor stop feature that doesn't use a relay, but
has a contact opened by upper case H in the function mechanism and
allowed to go closed by a mechanism around the selector magnet armature
extension.

Then there are motor stop features, including aftermarket things, that
do not use a code to stop the motor but use a timer - if the line stays
idle for a certain length of time it will turn the motor off, and turn
it back on when there is any activity on the line.

And there are some where the polarity of current in the signal line
determines whether the motor runs or stops.

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 "No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  8 09:05:06 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 09:05:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  stop motor feature
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Steve,

A simpler way to disable the motor stop on the TT-98 family was to 
readjust the Motor Stop contacts so that they were not moved by the 
"Motor-Stop Actuating Lever".? See para 2-228 in the -35 manual.

Jim,

On the Kleinschmidt weather printers (TT-99, etc), [FIGS] [BLANK] [H] 
was used for Motor stop.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [GreenKeys] stop motor feature
Date: 	Mon, 8 Nov 2021 06:24:23 -0500
From: 	Steve Garrison <steve.n4tty at gmail.com>
To: 	Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>



On the Kleinschmidt machines that I serviced during my 4 year tour every 
one of them and the ones I own, all have a short piece of wire soldered 
across the terminals that are the contacts of the motor stop relay. If 
you have a Kleinschmidt with the relay, a rectangular can on all the 
ones I?ve seen, which is right in front of the main power switch in the 
right rear corner of the base. The terminals to the relay are accessible 
by removing the bottom cover from the base. I definitely don?t remember 
the terminal numbers, but look for a short piece of wire tack soldered 
across two terminals. Being tack soldered in place made it easy to 
disable or enable as needed.

Steve G./N4TTY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> ?Charles,
>
> The Motor Stop command is normally {FIGS} {H} (uppercase H). But just 
> because the keyboard H key also says "STOP", doesnt mean that the 
> function is active in the printer.
>
> First, the printer must have the stop relay installed, and second it 
> must be engaged. There was typically an easy way to disable the Motor 
> Stop function.
>
> So, NO, you cannot tell if a machine has the motor stop option with 
> the cover on. If you can power up the machine on a loop and type 
> {FIGS} {H} and the motor shuts off, then it has Motor Stop.
>
> What type of machine are you asking about. All the military 
> Kleinschmidt machines (TT-4, TT-98, etc) included Motor Stop, but it 
> was usually disabled.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>> On 07-Nov-21 20:34, Chuck Robertson wrote:
>> How can you tell if a machine has the stop motor feature? Is there a 
>> particular key or switch that's noticeable with the cover on?
>>
>> Charles
>> Newton, Mass.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 23:08:08 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 23:08:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] draw straps
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Desoldering braid with soldered on eyelets..... ;-)

> I suspect the heavy-duty shoelace might
> > work better since it would flex better;
> > the stranded wire will work for a while,
> > but most likely the flexing will cause it to
> > break eventually ...  there is a reason why
> > Teletype used a FLAT, WIDE cloth band!
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Nov  8 21:26:19 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 21:26:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] A few more TTY manuals on line
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdPCpsG3whP1NrB6Vx=amBzJ3pE5NZ51r3LcJRSbRVt4w@mail.gmail.com>

I have added a couple of FAA training manuals, one on the 28ASR and another
covering 28RO and 14TD
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals-ttycorp.htm#FAA
Cheers,
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From js at teletype.net  Tue Nov  9 00:36:55 2021
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2021 22:36:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
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See https://teletype.net/display/TEL/Volpe+USB+Interface+Board

I made a run of these Volpe boards back in 2019. Unfortunately my remaining few boards have been claimed-- I just need to get them out the door now. I should have doubled my initial order-- would have made the boards a little cheaper, and I'd still have a hundred lying around for those interested. I'd like to do another run sometime, but realistically I likely wouldn't get around to it until next summer or fall. There's nothing stopping anyone else from doing another run, though it can be a lot of work to handle orders and such and ensure all the components you're using are compatible and correct, and you're putting up a fair bit of financial capital, too. 

You can also assemble one using through-hole components. I assembled a couple of these before I did the manufactured run in a morning, and I'm probably pretty mediocre at soldering. I wanted to get notes down to help anyone interested in getting the right components for through-hole assembly, but that's another thing to which I haven't gotten around. Still, what I have written down is in the link above under the "Build Your Own" section.

Anyway, whenever I am able to do another run, you'll see an announcement on the list here. It's a good board-- been using these for 15s/19s since early 2018 now-- all the videos of my machines <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbK0aunKV4ia1_jS2fhJQGg/featured> are leveraging some version of this board. They'll work for pretty much any other model that leverages current loops, too. I hope to be driving a number of 28s with these whenever I find time to start working on cleaning them up.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:13 PM, chris johnson wrote:
> It's my ultimate goal to hook up a model 15 to my weather PC (windows)...  ive seen some ideas on say rs232 interfaces where one has to build a board one I dont build boards next the plans ove seen use obsolete parts...  what's the best or easiest way to accomplish this... USB would be great...
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 05:31:03 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 10:31:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
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 Jordan,
? Thanks for posting this. I did not realize through hole components were an option.Good to know.
-Steve
    On Tuesday, November 9, 2021, 12:37:59 AM EST, Jordan Spencer Cunningham <js at teletype.net> wrote:  
 
 See?https://teletype.net/display/TEL/Volpe+USB+Interface+Board

I made a run of these Volpe boards back in 2019. Unfortunately my remaining few boards have been claimed-- I just need to get them out the door now. I should have doubled my initial order-- would have made the boards a little cheaper, and I'd still have a hundred lying around for those interested. I'd like to do another run sometime, but realistically I likely wouldn't get around to it until next summer or fall. There's nothing stopping anyone else from doing another run, though it can be a lot of work to handle orders and such and ensure all the components you're using are compatible and correct, and you're putting up a fair bit of financial capital, too. 

You can also assemble one using through-hole components. I assembled a couple of these before I did the manufactured run in a morning, and I'm probably pretty mediocre at soldering. I wanted to get notes down to help anyone interested in getting the right components for through-hole assembly, but that's another thing to which I haven't gotten around. Still, what I have written down is in the link above under the "Build Your Own" section.

Anyway, whenever I am able to do another run, you'll see an announcement on the list here. It's a good board-- been using these for 15s/19s since early 2018 now-- all the videos of my machines are leveraging some version of this board. They'll work for pretty much any other model that leverages current loops, too. I hope to be driving a number of 28s with these whenever I find time to start working on cleaning them up.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net?| GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:13 PM, chris johnson wrote:

It's my ultimate goal to hook up a model 15 to my weather PC (windows)...? ive seen some ideas on say rs232 interfaces where one has to build a board one I dont build boards next the plans ove seen use obsolete parts...? what's the best or easiest way to accomplish this... USB would be great...
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From til128 at juno.com  Tue Nov  9 08:04:13 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 13:04:13 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Memorial day/Veterans day list
Message-ID: <20211109.080413.22127.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

ATTENTION ALL: - - - -It's time for the bi-annual Greenkeys Memorial day/Veterans day list.I notice that we have some new members that might not be familiar with it or 
never heard of it before.An explanation:THIS LIST WAS STARTED BY GEORGE W7TTY HUTCHISON A WHILE BACK, AND I HAVE BEEN EXHORTED TO CONTINUE THE TRADITION WHICH I WILL PROUDLY PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN.THIS will be THE 2021 Veterans day, Nov 11, 2021 ITTY VETERANS' LIST.THIS LIST IS OPEN TO ALL VETERANS OF THE U.S. MILITARY SERVICE.THOSE WHO SERVED IN THE MERCHANT MARINE ARE ELIGIBLE, AS ARE THOSEWHO BELONGED TO UNITS WHOSE EXISTENCE ARE NOT TO BE DISCUSSED.PLEASE SEND YOUR NAME, RANK, BRANCH, AND THE DATES AND WE WILLGLADLY ADD YOUR INFORMATION.ALSO - IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS OR DELETIONS,PLEASE LET ME KNOW.E-MAIL ADDRESS IS   TIL128 at juno.comTHANKS TO -ALL- FOR YOUR SERVICE TO AMERICA.Tom WB2TTY
 

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From ai2q at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov  9 08:40:00 2021
From: ai2q at roadrunner.com (Radio AI2Q)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:40:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Memorial day/Veterans day list
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US Army, Specialist E-5, Signal Corps.

Served 1965 - 1971 (Qui Nhon, Da Nang, and Pleiku, Vietnam)

Vy 73, /AI2Q/, Alex


On 11/9/2021 8:04 AM, til128 at juno.com wrote:
> ATTENTION ALL: - - - - It's time for the bi-annual Greenkeys Memorial 
> day/Veterans day list. I notice that we have some new members that 
> might not be familiar with it or never heard of it before. An 
> explanation: THIS LIST WAS STARTED BY GEORGE W7TTY HUTCHISON A WHILE 
> BACK, AND I HAVE BEEN EXHORTED TO CONTINUE THE TRADITION WHICH I WILL 
> PROUDLY PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN. THIS will be THE 2021 Veterans day, Nov 
> 11, 2021 ITTY VETERANS' LIST. THIS LIST IS OPEN TO ALL VETERANS OF THE 
> U.S. MILITARY SERVICE. THOSE WHO SERVED IN THE MERCHANT MARINE ARE 
> ELIGIBLE, AS ARE THOSE WHO BELONGED TO UNITS WHOSE EXISTENCE ARE NOT 
> TO BE DISCUSSED. PLEASE SEND YOUR NAME, RANK, BRANCH, AND THE DATES 
> AND WE WILL GLADLY ADD YOUR INFORMATION. ALSO - IF THERE ARE ANY 
> ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS OR DELETIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. E-MAIL 
> ADDRESS IS TIL128 at juno.com THANKS TO -ALL- FOR YOUR SERVICE TO 
> AMERICA. Tom WB2TTY
>
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Nov  9 11:36:38 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 10:36:38 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] offset copy holder-FTGH
Message-ID: <d8e0a5bf-fd9e-12af-a3d0-e459383119d4@tapr.org>

I suspect this is a Kleinschmidt item, any takers?

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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 12:26:06 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:26:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Restoration
Message-ID: <CAJK869138a-pnscShH0sQaxztzD83Sj3sb076zS+uzeaTaifmQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am restoring three Teletypes, a model 15 KSR and two model 28 KSR's. At
the moment what I need is a 74359 (9-7/8 inch) Carriage return Draw Strap
for the model 15. Mine is broken. Paul Cembura has none. So I am asking the
list.

The strap seems measurement does not seem to include the metal ends.

Thank you to anyone who can help

Tom N3CRK  HH12177

   224.5 and linked 443.675 Voice Repeaters

  443.3 RTTY repeater

   All overlooking Point Marion, Pennsylvania
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Nov  9 14:07:08 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 13:07:08 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
In-Reply-To: <b4828eff-5e7e-4dac-90b4-1b26bcad2122@www.fastmail.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
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Going off of what Jordan said below, I was just in the local shop to see how the boards that I?m still trying to get made are going.  The owner of the shop told me slow? he?s having to learn the programming of the boards first, so that he could then see where the soldering job went bad on the five or so? but with the labor shortage, he?s had to put it off onto the side for now, since it?s time consuming and the shop is short handed.  Stay tuned though? I feel like we are getting close*r* :) .


> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:36 pm, Jordan Spencer Cunningham <js at teletype.net> wrote:
> 
> See https://teletype.net/display/TEL/Volpe+USB+Interface+Board
> 
> I made a run of these Volpe boards back in 2019. Unfortunately my remaining few boards have been claimed-- I just need to get them out the door now. I should have doubled my initial order-- would have made the boards a little cheaper, and I'd still have a hundred lying around for those interested. I'd like to do another run sometime, but realistically I likely wouldn't get around to it until next summer or fall. There's nothing stopping anyone else from doing another run, though it can be a lot of work to handle orders and such and ensure all the components you're using are compatible and correct, and you're putting up a fair bit of financial capital, too. 
> 
> You can also assemble one using through-hole components. I assembled a couple of these before I did the manufactured run in a morning, and I'm probably pretty mediocre at soldering. I wanted to get notes down to help anyone interested in getting the right components for through-hole assembly, but that's another thing to which I haven't gotten around. Still, what I have written down is in the link above under the "Build Your Own" section.
> 
> Anyway, whenever I am able to do another run, you'll see an announcement on the list here. It's a good board-- been using these for 15s/19s since early 2018 now-- all the videos of my machines are leveraging some version of this board. They'll work for pretty much any other model that leverages current loops, too. I hope to be driving a number of 28s with these whenever I find time to start working on cleaning them up.

From w2hx at w2hx.com  Tue Nov  9 15:10:51 2021
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 20:10:51 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
In-Reply-To: <2608964A-006E-43B3-8339-82AE98C7C437@xsmail.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB3959561C18A1FBDB3FFD53CB908B9@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
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I am sure this has been explored, but there are dozens of companies where you upload the gerber file and they send you the boards. Most are in China but the price can be very reasonable.

73 Eugene W2HX
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Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 2:07 PM
To: Family Man via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer


Going off of what Jordan said below, I was just in the local shop to see how the boards that I?m still trying to get made are going.  The owner of the shop told me slow? he?s having to learn the programming of the boards first, so that he could then see where the soldering job went bad on the five or so? but with the labor shortage, he?s had to put it off onto the side for now, since it?s time consuming and the shop is short handed.  Stay tuned though? I feel like we are getting close*r* :) .


> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:36 pm, Jordan Spencer Cunningham <js at teletype.net> wrote:
> 
> See https://teletype.net/display/TEL/Volpe+USB+Interface+Board
> 
> I made a run of these Volpe boards back in 2019. Unfortunately my remaining few boards have been claimed-- I just need to get them out the door now. I should have doubled my initial order-- would have made the boards a little cheaper, and I'd still have a hundred lying around for those interested. I'd like to do another run sometime, but realistically I likely wouldn't get around to it until next summer or fall. There's nothing stopping anyone else from doing another run, though it can be a lot of work to handle orders and such and ensure all the components you're using are compatible and correct, and you're putting up a fair bit of financial capital, too. 
> 
> You can also assemble one using through-hole components. I assembled a couple of these before I did the manufactured run in a morning, and I'm probably pretty mediocre at soldering. I wanted to get notes down to help anyone interested in getting the right components for through-hole assembly, but that's another thing to which I haven't gotten around. Still, what I have written down is in the link above under the "Build Your Own" section.
> 
> Anyway, whenever I am able to do another run, you'll see an announcement on the list here. It's a good board-- been using these for 15s/19s since early 2018 now-- all the videos of my machines are leveraging some version of this board. They'll work for pretty much any other model that leverages current loops, too. I hope to be driving a number of 28s with these whenever I find time to start working on cleaning them up.
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  9 12:13:29 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:13:29 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL 5000
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In the hopefully near future I will be looking for a Hal 5000 or something similar to hook to my model 15 to get the ITTY signal... Im in Northern Ohio anyone have something close by????
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Nov  9 19:24:21 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:24:21 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] offset copy holder-FTGH
In-Reply-To: <d8e0a5bf-fd9e-12af-a3d0-e459383119d4@tapr.org>
References: <d8e0a5bf-fd9e-12af-a3d0-e459383119d4@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <D5C3620B-F31A-4830-8373-F5B000EE7C69@tapr.org>

It's gone.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 9, 2021, at 10:36 AM, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> I suspect this is a Kleinschmidt item, any takers?
> 
> -- 
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> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
> 
> <OffsetCpy.jpg>
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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Nov  9 19:34:11 2021
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 16:34:11 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <CAJK869138a-pnscShH0sQaxztzD83Sj3sb076zS+uzeaTaifmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK869138a-pnscShH0sQaxztzD83Sj3sb076zS+uzeaTaifmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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    FWIW, it is common to make drawbands from woven bootlaces for 
typewriters. It is possible a typewriter drawband would fit. 
Also, search around for typewriter parts to find eyelets. I don't 
know the purpose of the eyelets in the drawband. They are common 
in typewriter ribbons to operate certain kinds of automatic 
reversal mechanisms. If this eyelet is to hook the drawband to 
the carriage it is likely a different size than the ribbon 
eyelets. I would still search for typewriter parts to find 
something suitable.

On 11/9/2021 9:26 AM, Tom Hunter wrote:
> I am restoring three Teletypes, a model 15 KSR and two model 28 
> KSR's. At the moment what I need is a 74359 (9-7/8 inch) Carriage 
> return Draw Strap for the model 15. Mine is broken. Paul Cembura 
> has none. So I am asking the list.
> 
> The strap seems measurement does not seem to include the metal ends.
> 
> Thank you to anyone who can help
> 
> Tom N3CRK? HH12177
> 
>  ?? 224.5 and linked 443.675 Voice Repeaters
> 
>  ? 443.3 RTTY repeater
> 
>  ?? All overlooking Point Marion, Pennsylvania
> 
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Nov  9 19:40:03 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:40:03 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 to a computer
In-Reply-To: <5203d85bf70a4005b2adbe3c68521183@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
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	<b4828eff-5e7e-4dac-90b4-1b26bcad2122@www.fastmail.com>
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Truthfully, I should have gone that route, thinking the local guy would have been quicker? but since I've already paid him to make them, he?d better finally fix ?em ;p .  :)


> On Nov 9, 2021, at 2:10 pm, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
> 
> I am sure this has been explored, but there are dozens of companies where you upload the gerber file and they send you the boards. Most are in China but the price can be very reasonable.
> 
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/w2hx-channel/videos

From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 21:56:34 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 21:56:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 CR Draw band, Model 28 Spacebar problem
Message-ID: <CAJK8692s4ty514xTfDtOU2zKYVaPXUnQxsHYZNe5fMLMx3FLAw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you everyone for your comments.

WB2TTY has kindly offered to send me a real model 15 Draw band. So that
problem is solved.

My next problem is a 28 KSR in which someone has disconnected the space bar
from its levers. I can not find a blowup in a parts manual. It looks like
each side was attached with a small bolt. Does anyone know the size and
thread of those bolts?

This machine was built up from assorted asemblies. All the other keys work
and the KSR prints fine.

Once that one is done, I will be building up another KSR from case,
keyboard and typing unit. I have 60 speed gears and other odds and ends
ordered from Paul Cembura for that one.

Thank you W8FIX for all the model 28 parts.

Tom   N3CRK   HH12177
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Nov  9 22:18:06 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 21:18:06 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 CR Draw band, Model 28 Spacebar problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8692s4ty514xTfDtOU2zKYVaPXUnQxsHYZNe5fMLMx3FLAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8692s4ty514xTfDtOU2zKYVaPXUnQxsHYZNe5fMLMx3FLAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <764efb29-1400-c100-8d32-79dd7b344706@tapr.org>

You need a couple of 4-40 shoulder screws p/n 151223

page 40 of

BSP 573-116-800 iss 3

At least it's for the mark III keyboard.? page 12 supposedly also shows 
that for a mark II keyboard, but I couldn't find it.

My memory says they're the same.

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 11/9/2021 8:56 PM, Tom Hunter wrote:
> Thank you everyone for your comments.
>
> WB2TTY has kindly offered to send me a real model 15 Draw band. So 
> that problem is solved.
>
> My next problem is a 28 KSR in which someone has disconnected the 
> space bar from its levers. I can not find a blowup in a parts manual. 
> It looks like each side was attached with a small bolt. Does anyone 
> know the size and thread of those bolts?
>
> This machine was built up from assorted asemblies. All the other keys 
> work and the KSR prints fine.
>
> Once that one is done, I will be building up another KSR from case, 
> keyboard and typing unit. I have 60 speed gears and other odds and 
> ends ordered from Paul Cembura for that one.
>
> Thank you W8FIX for all the model 28 parts.
>
> Tom?? N3CRK?? HH12177
>
>
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 23:05:03 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 23:05:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 Spacebar
Message-ID: <CAJK8691Z6GLm+8Yf-eEio0iauCcHaTeAF9iExi7WguRgvcfKig@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you John.

At least 4-40 is common thread. I may try putting in two bolts slightly
loose with lock nuts on the other side.


Tom   N3CRK
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From djones at k6yic.com  Wed Nov 10 13:35:56 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:35:56 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Communist teleprinter
Message-ID: <BE745FE1-8FAC-4E48-BAAD-10D5AF5D7AA7@k6yic.com>

Saw this on eBay.  Anyone who?s feeling nostalgic for an eastern block machine shipping seems reasonable from Europe to the us.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teletype-F1300-O-1A6-5620-/185154177883?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0


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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Nov 10 14:00:31 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 13:00:31 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] LD (multi wire distributor) mounting on RO base?
Message-ID: <ef52b12b-dc23-3700-d427-07232d92b6bc@tapr.org>

Anyone here had experience with the LD mounting on either a RO or LK 
base.? I've found installation instructions in the 50019S 
specification.? I've made a parts list of parts needed beyond the LD 
itself from the installation instructions.

As near as I can tell, the parts I don't already have are the shaft and 
gear to modify the intermediate gear assy. and the shoulder screw that 
is one of the mounting screws for the LD.? I get the sense the shoulder 
might be off center for adjustment purposes?

Any clues would be helpful before I ask Paul about those parts, and then 
later find out I missed something.

(The LD was still in the original box bolted to a wood base.? I suspect 
somewhere there's a bag of install hardware that fell out or was needed 
elsewhere.)

I don't seem to find any pictures that show the unit mounted on the 
RO/KSR base? although I thought I had seen such some time in the past.

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John, W9DDD


From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 10 17:17:24 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 22:17:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Communist teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <BE745FE1-8FAC-4E48-BAAD-10D5AF5D7AA7@k6yic.com>
References: <BE745FE1-8FAC-4E48-BAAD-10D5AF5D7AA7@k6yic.com>
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 Is this a test? I was kicked off of a groups.io mailing list for expressing my anti-communist opinion.If the moderator of this list is a commie please kick me off of this list too. lolI don't want to be anywhere I'm not welcome.
-Steve

    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 01:42:55 PM EST, Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:  
 
 Saw this on eBay. ?Anyone who?s feeling nostalgic for an eastern block machine shipping seems reasonable from Europe to the us. ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teletype-F1300-O-1A6-5620-/185154177883?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Wed Nov 10 18:38:48 2021
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 23:38:48 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Communist teleprinter
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From: steve bennett via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net] -- Wednesday, November 10, 2021 4:17 PM

> Is this a test? I was kicked off of a groups.io mailing list for expressing my anti-communist opinion.

No, not a test.  There are plenty here who are fascinated by Soviet technology (or East German, in the case of the recent eBay posting).  They started with clones.  In the case of Teletypes, there was a pre-WWII license for a German clone that, postwar, was the basis of continued evolution in East Germany, where they added the ability to shift between Cyrilic and Roman fonts back in the electromechanical era.  The machine that showed up in that eBay posting is obviously a late product in that line, since it has the dual-font keyboard and whatnot but it uses dot-matrix technology and probably contains a microprocessor.

Curiosity about Soviet technology does not imply any particular political leaning!

         Doug Jones
         jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From kwlueck at swbell.net  Wed Nov 10 18:58:34 2021
From: kwlueck at swbell.net (Keith Lueck)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 23:58:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  Communist teleprinter
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 Indeed.? The former eastern bloc countries are great sources of vacuum tubes, nixies, tunnel diodes, and even obsolete TTL chips.? I recently got some miniature Russian thyratrons to play with - they were apparently used in the horizontal deflection circuit of some old Russian TV's.??
...and no, I'm not a Commie.? ;-)
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 05:39:02 PM CST, Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> wrote:  
 
 From: steve bennett via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net] -- Wednesday, November 10, 2021 4:17 PM

> Is this a test? I was kicked off of a groups.io mailing list for expressing my anti-communist opinion.

No, not a test.? There are plenty here who are fascinated by Soviet technology (or East German, in the case of the recent eBay posting).? They started with clones.? In the case of Teletypes, there was a pre-WWII license for a German clone that, postwar, was the basis of continued evolution in East Germany, where they added the ability to shift between Cyrilic and Roman fonts back in the electromechanical era.? The machine that showed up in that eBay posting is obviously a late product in that line, since it has the dual-font keyboard and whatnot but it uses dot-matrix technology and probably contains a microprocessor.

Curiosity about Soviet technology does not imply any particular political leaning!

? ? ? ? Doug Jones
? ? ? ? jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 21:35:57 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 21:35:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR problems
Message-ID: <CAJK8691c6QRfy9R1N09+=n6jzzGZEwiEd6Yqy1QFbhPZdeUxzw@mail.gmail.com>

John W9DDD,

The 4-40 bolts with locknuts got my spacebar hooked up. The keyboard is
getting flaky again as it was until I replaced a weak spring.

I am having some 28 problems that are over my head.

This #1 KSR has eaten two nylon gears. I suspect the typing unit is getting
tight occasionally. I have three other typing units. One types well but
does not line feed. The stunt box does not seem to be responding to the LF
character. Local LF works well proving that everything from the LF clutch
up to the platen is OK. In my ASR there are two function pawls at 38 and 40
that respond to a LF. On this unit a  function pawl at 34 responds to the
LF character which does not seem right.

Another has a broken codebar casting on the left and garbles a lot. I am
having trouble trying to identify the part number of the casting.

The last typing unit is sprocket feed which I have no use for.

I guess I have to fight with them some more.


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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 23:08:40 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 23:08:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Problems
Message-ID: <CAJK8690Uj_07N__rT0wa6aB1MgauszYWeEST2kUAo1tqjKtT6A@mail.gmail.com>

John,

I was under the impression that the LF Code bar, etc, etc, had to be in the
correct slot. In this stuntbox it is nowhere near the LF clutch.

Even though I have read how to remove the stuntbox, I don't feel confident
enough to try it.

I have made the typing unit with the cracked casting my parts source. If I
felt I could do it, I would swap the stuntbox from that to replace the one
that does not line feed.

Have a nice Christmas. Talk to you when you get back.


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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 15:03:47 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 15:03:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Communist teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <BE745FE1-8FAC-4E48-BAAD-10D5AF5D7AA7@k6yic.com>
References: <BE745FE1-8FAC-4E48-BAAD-10D5AF5D7AA7@k6yic.com>
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It is a dot matrix machine.
The East German machines the cyrillic fonts were disabled by the Bundeswehr
after reunification no more need to talk to those commies LOL.
Since it is Poland the Cyrillic probably still works the Polish took them
out of service when they left the Warsaw Pact.



On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:36 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:

> Saw this on eBay.  Anyone who?s feeling nostalgic for an eastern block
> machine shipping seems reasonable from Europe to the us.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teletype-F1300-O-1A6-5620-/185154177883?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
>
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 18:29:42 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:29:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Communist teleprinter
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I think there are plenty of ex military like myself with no love of
communism here....
Thats just a guess though. LOL!!
Even got that fine "Cold War" winner certificate too!! LOL!!
Free helicopter rides........ ;-)
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 01:53:32 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:53:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>

Before I write the code for it....
Does someone already have an ACARS to TTY program or something that runs
with heavymetal or MMTTY doing the same sort of thing?
Specifically I want the ATIS broadcasts and any weather changes. The ACARS
info on VHF seems to update quicker than grabbing it off the internet so if
I can get the vhf info faster than hitting refresh 20x "would be great"
(-B.Lumburg)
If not I will write something for my purpose...
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Fri Nov 12 15:22:22 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:22:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>
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Joe, you've piqued my interest. You mean there's a way to decode ACARS and print it on my TTY.? ?Tell me more...?Mike
-------- Original message --------From: Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> Date: 11/12/21  7:59 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Greenkeys <GREENKEYS at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype Before I write the code for it....Does someone already have an ACARS to TTY program or something that?runs with heavymetal?or MMTTY?doing the same sort of thing?Specifically?I want the ATIS broadcasts and any weather changes. The ACARS info on VHF seems to update quicker than grabbing?it off the internet so if I can get the vhf info faster than hitting refresh 20x "would be great" (-B.Lumburg)If not I will write something for my purpose...
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 16:15:09 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:15:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <618ecd03.1c69fb81.9fb83.5becSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<618ecd03.1c69fb81.9fb83.5becSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Mike,
ACARS is a simple text burst similar to RTTY.
My handheld will decode the generic ACARS ATC ATIS and WEATHER broadcasts
and it does have the capability to enter the aircraft ID and decode
aircraft specific messages, it will not TX/Send ACARS.
So yea the 2400 baud ACARS can be sent to a teletype with a baud rate and
ascii baudot conversion.
I'll have to mess about with the FLDIGI that Jeff suggested and see if it
fits my needs...
If not I may tear apart the hand held and see if I can find where the data
is decoded and make an interface to the handheld as an interim.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Mike <mmcauley at cox.net> wrote:

> Joe, you've piqued my interest. You mean there's a way to decode ACARS and
> print it on my TTY.   Tell me more...
> Mike
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Fri Nov 12 18:44:28 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:44:28 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unknown part
Message-ID: <9f1d1cbc-2df6-120d-f9e2-faa7750e933d@tapr.org>

I find this part in my inventory.

The Teletype envelope has 156xx4 written on it.? The x'es are where the 
numbers have been corrected multiple times.
The first x looks like it might have been a 4 or 9 with a 3 written over 
it.? the second x looks like a 3 written over a 4.

The large end is about 3/8" dia.? The smaller one 1/4" dia.? Both ends 
are 32 threads per inch.

It would be nice if a master list existed that told you where the part 
was used.? But I guess that would take the fun out of it.

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 19:08:03 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 19:08:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Unknown part
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcoOHu8vwQg+-5p2juDXEcPGH5Swr6NP=4XMofoqTNxsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9f1d1cbc-2df6-120d-f9e2-faa7750e933d@tapr.org>
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> Oil drain plug for the very very rare experimental Teletype Coupe DeVille..
>
> Or possibly the 156334 stud used in the motor mount on the M28 multiple
> reperf base
> See pdf page 66
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/1180B-94158-03.pdf
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>
>> I find this part in my inventory.
>>
>> The Teletype envelope has 156xx4 written on it.  The x'es are where the
>> numbers have been corrected multiple times.
>> The first x looks like it might have been a 4 or 9 with a 3 written over
>> it.  the second x looks like a 3 written over a 4.
>>
>> The large end is about 3/8" dia.  The smaller one 1/4" dia.  Both ends
>> are 32 threads per inch.
>>
>> It would be nice if a master list existed that told you where the part
>> was used.  But I guess that would take the fun out of it.
>>
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From shumaker at att.net  Fri Nov 12 20:00:19 2021
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:00:19 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBQyGXRSSti+Kfp-+JD2+rgG4YdNye8Tt-hci4TsaYZdxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<618ecd03.1c69fb81.9fb83.5becSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<CAPs7XBQyGXRSSti+Kfp-+JD2+rgG4YdNye8Tt-hci4TsaYZdxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>

As something of a newbie here, with a pair of 33s that I'm sloooowly 
restoring with Wayne's assistance, can you elaborate a bit or two on 
ACARS, ATC, ATIS, and WEATHER? What are they, and how does one receive them?

Steve

On 11/12/2021 1:15 PM, Joe Duszy?ski wrote:
> Mike,
> ACARS is a simple text burst similar to RTTY.
> My handheld will decode the generic ACARS ATC ATIS and WEATHER 
> broadcasts and it does have the capability to enter the aircraft ID 
> and decode aircraft specific messages, it will not TX/Send ACARS.
> So yea the 2400 baud ACARS can be sent to a teletype with a baud rate 
> and ascii baudot conversion.
> I'll have to mess about with the FLDIGI that Jeff suggested and see if 
> it fits my needs...
> If not I may tear apart the hand held and see if I can find where the 
> data is decoded and make an interface to the handheld as an interim.
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Mike <mmcauley at cox.net> wrote:
>
>     Joe, you've piqued my interest. You mean there's a way to decode
>     ACARS and print it on my TTY. ?Tell me more...
>     Mike
>
>
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Fri Nov 12 20:17:20 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:17:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.139.1636766263.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

ACARSAircraft Communications Addressing & Reporting SystemInstalled on virtually every major airline carrier nowadays. It enables airline company to communicate with the crew non-verbally thru a sort of "text messaging" medium.? It also reports things like times of engine start, takeoff, landing and engine stop. Also the crew can get info from ATC like clearances or changes to clearances.VHF 118 - 136 MhzATCAir Traffic ControlATISAutomatic Terminal Information Service?A pre-recorded broadcast by Air Traffic Control Towers of? airport information describing things like local airport weather, runways in use, and outages or hazards. Updated as conditions change.??VHF 118 - 136 MhzMike
-------- Original message --------From: s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> Date: 11/12/21  6:01 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype 
    As something of a newbie here, with a
      pair of 33s that I'm sloooowly restoring with Wayne's assistance,?
      can you elaborate a bit or two on ACARS, ATC, ATIS, and WEATHER??
      What are they, and how does one receive them?
      
      Steve
      
      On 11/12/2021 1:15 PM, Joe Duszy?ski wrote:
    
    
      
      
        Mike,
          ACARS is a simple text burst similar to RTTY.
          My handheld will decode the generic ACARS ATC ATIS and WEATHER
          broadcasts and it does have the capability to enter the
          aircraft ID and decode aircraft specific messages, it will not
          TX/Send ACARS.
          So yea the 2400 baud ACARS can be sent to a teletype with a
          baud rate and ascii baudot conversion.
          I'll have to mess about with the FLDIGI that Jeff suggested
          and see if it fits my needs...
          If not I may tear apart the hand held and see if I can find
          where the data is decoded and make an interface to the
          handheld as an interim.
          
          On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Mike <mmcauley at cox.net>
          wrote:
        
        
          
            
              Joe, you've piqued my interest. You mean
                there's a way to decode ACARS and print it on my TTY.?
                ?Tell me more...?
              Mike
            
          
        
      
      
      
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 20:31:22 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 01:31:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>
References: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<618ecd03.1c69fb81.9fb83.5becSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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	<bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>
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 Steve,
? These have nothing to do with teletype.It's just aircraft information that can be delivered by radio or internet.(or whatever)The original poster is just looking for a way to send it to a teletype.-Steve
    On Friday, November 12, 2021, 08:01:49 PM EST, s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:  
 
  As something of a newbie here, with a pair of 33s that I'm sloooowly restoring with Wayne's assistance,? can you elaborate a bit or two on ACARS, ATC, ATIS, and WEATHER?? What are they, and how does one receive them?
 
 Steve
 
 On 11/12/2021 1:15 PM, Joe Duszy?ski wrote:
  
 
 Mike,
 ACARS is a simple text burst similar to RTTY.
 My handheld will decode the generic ACARS ATC ATIS and WEATHER broadcasts and it does have the capability to enter the aircraft ID and decode aircraft specific messages, it will not TX/Send ACARS.
 So yea the 2400 baud ACARS can be sent to a teletype with a baud rate and ascii baudot conversion.
 I'll have to mess about with the FLDIGI that Jeff suggested and see if it fits my needs...
 If not I may tear apart the hand held and see if I can find where the data is decoded and make an interface to the handheld as an interim.
 
 On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Mike <mmcauley at cox.net> wrote:
   
  Joe, you've piqued my interest. You mean there's a way to decode ACARS and print it on my TTY.? ?Tell me more...? Mike  
   
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Fri Nov 12 20:33:26 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:33:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.140.1636767237.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

ACARS also transmits a telemetry stream of a myriad of powerplant parameters to the airline company's maintenance guysMike
-------- Original message --------From: s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> Date: 11/12/21  6:01 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype 
    As something of a newbie here, with a
      pair of 33s that I'm sloooowly restoring with Wayne's assistance,?
      can you elaborate a bit or two on ACARS, ATC, ATIS, and WEATHER??
      What are they, and how does one receive them?
      
      Steve
      
      On 11/12/2021 1:15 PM, Joe Duszy?ski wrote:
    
    
      
      
        Mike,
          ACARS is a simple text burst similar to RTTY.
          My handheld will decode the generic ACARS ATC ATIS and WEATHER
          broadcasts and it does have the capability to enter the
          aircraft ID and decode aircraft specific messages, it will not
          TX/Send ACARS.
          So yea the 2400 baud ACARS can be sent to a teletype with a
          baud rate and ascii baudot conversion.
          I'll have to mess about with the FLDIGI that Jeff suggested
          and see if it fits my needs...
          If not I may tear apart the hand held and see if I can find
          where the data is decoded and make an interface to the
          handheld as an interim.
          
          On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Mike <mmcauley at cox.net>
          wrote:
        
        
          
            
              Joe, you've piqued my interest. You mean
                there's a way to decode ACARS and print it on my TTY.?
                ?Tell me more...?
              Mike
            
          
        
      
      
      
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From shumaker at att.net  Fri Nov 12 21:35:45 2021
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:35:45 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBSTUYQ_fpREzWRogYwvn1EsVZX2XXxq9zbZkpobRTAgOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBSTUYQ_fpREzWRogYwvn1EsVZX2XXxq9zbZkpobRTAgOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6f45399-7777-ee17-ed9f-20e61c533efb@att.net>

wow!? what a rabbit hole.??? I will digest for weeks!?? Thanks for all 
the comments.? ya, ? not really applicable to my 33s but fun anyway.

Steve


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
Date: 	Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:48:37 -0500
From: 	Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>
To: 	s shumaker <shumaker at att.net>



ACARS is Aircraft Communications Addressing & Reporting System
ATIS (received via ACARS is Automated Terminal Information System) This 
is the runway in use wind direction speed radio frequency to use..
ATC is Air Traffic Control (Clearances ect...)
Weather is self explanatory Usually consisting of TAF (Terminal Area 
Forcast) and METAR(METeorological Aerodrome Report)
https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/ACARS
for frequencies


On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM s shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:

    As something of a newbie here, with a pair of 33s that I'm sloooowly
    restoring with Wayne's assistance, can you elaborate a bit or two on
    ACARS, ATC, ATIS, and WEATHER?? What are they, and how does one
    receive them?

    Steve

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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 21:45:11 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:45:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
References: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>

I've finally had some time the last couple of weeks to work on restoration of a Model 15 Teletype I picked up earlier this year. The machine is now up and running again and it feels (and sounds) great!

Here's a short video of it printing live from the ITTY feed: https://youtu.be/mSr5bgyCq-s

Mike

From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 21:52:57 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:52:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
In-Reply-To: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1450411362.1316015.1636771977616@mail.yahoo.com>

 Mike,
? Cool video! Congrats on your restoration.What is that interface board you are using?
-Steve
    On Friday, November 12, 2021, 09:45:53 PM EST, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 I've finally had some time the last couple of weeks to work on restoration of a Model 15 Teletype I picked up earlier this year. The machine is now up and running again and it feels (and sounds) great!

Here's a short video of it printing live from the ITTY feed: https://youtu.be/mSr5bgyCq-s

Mike
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 12 22:18:28 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:18:28 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
In-Reply-To: <1450411362.1316015.1636771977616@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1450411362.1316015.1636771977616@mail.yahoo.com>
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Steve,

It?s an interface board I made to provide a 9600 baud, ASCII, RS-232, bi-directional interface so I can connect the TTY to vintage computers (or a PC). I threw the ability to decode AFSK in at the last minute because it required little more than an audio connector. 

Mike

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 8:52 PM, steve bennett <raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mike,
> 
>   Cool video! Congrats on your restoration.
> What is that interface board you are using?
> 
> -Steve
> 
> On Friday, November 12, 2021, 09:45:53 PM EST, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've finally had some time the last couple of weeks to work on restoration of a Model 15 Teletype I picked up earlier this year. The machine is now up and running again and it feels (and sounds) great!
> 
> Here's a short video of it printing live from the ITTY feed: https://youtu.be/mSr5bgyCq-s
> 
> Mike
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 22:53:58 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:53:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
In-Reply-To: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <618F36D6.3072.E452B4D@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 13 Nov 2021 at 2:45, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys wrote:

> Here's a short video of it printing live

Nicely done video, Mike ....
ouch, the nostalgia pangs got me !!

w2jc 



From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 13 03:13:28 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 09:13:28 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
In-Reply-To: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <99A45349-08C8-4314-9C1B-489B74A6110D@comcast.net>

Mike, it?s fantastic. Nice job. 

You brought a bit of happiness and pride to me that you chose ITTY for your test and that you added support for it. 

Thank you for sharing your work. 

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Nov 13, 2021, at 3:46 AM, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I've finally had some time the last couple of weeks to work on restoration of a Model 15 Teletype I picked up earlier this year. The machine is now up and running again and it feels (and sounds) great!
> 
> Here's a short video of it printing live from the ITTY feed: https://youtu.be/mSr5bgyCq-s
> 
> Mike
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From n9hrt at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 12 20:20:15 2021
From: n9hrt at sbcglobal.net (JOHN MCCARTY)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 01:20:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR
References: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>

Keepers of the green keys;
? ?I have a model 15 KSR that used to be in a private home for TTD service. I got it off Craig's list some time back.We use the machine as a demo unit at events and it works well. The crowds are always drawn to it. Here in Chicago wehave a 2 meter FM channel we run these on. The problem is we usually have other radios running at these events andwhen the keyboard is in use it really rips up 20 meters. I ran a test using just one of my stations RX's and it wasfar worse on 20 that 80 or 10 meters.
Is there somewhere I can hang a cap or two and quite things down a bit?
Thanks for your help

John n9hrt
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 20:57:15 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:57:15 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <61022781.1300536.1636767082052@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<618ecd03.1c69fb81.9fb83.5becSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<CAPs7XBQyGXRSSti+Kfp-+JD2+rgG4YdNye8Tt-hci4TsaYZdxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>
	<61022781.1300536.1636767082052@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBSQA7OM_wtkRxo_CWgqN9=30QGuu9eeSJ9=t+VpmOFfKQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a teletype set up in the hangar that can pull up the weather via the
ICAO (airport ID)
I want to take it to nerd level 11........
A printed copy of the ATIS and Weather is golden and the acars updates
before the internet version a good 5-10 minutes earlier.


>
> Steve,
>
>   These have nothing to do with teletype.
> It's just aircraft information that can be delivered by radio or
internet.(or whatever)
> The original poster is just looking for a way to send it to a teletype.
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Sat Nov 13 12:35:44 2021
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (ad7i)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:35:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR
In-Reply-To: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANpP5D60u0Vm5xv8hG-4Y5J72aMEzBQbCmnFa3_OWZYa5kbODg@mail.gmail.com>

You mentioned RFI from the keyboard.  Is the RFI problem more consistent
with the keyboard or the selector magnets?   To confirm it's the keyboard
and not the magnets, temporarily put a shorting jumper across the selector
magnet terminals and see if the RFI is still present when the keyboard is
operated.

For the keyboard contacts, try a 1000pF @ 400 volt cap across the keyboard
contacts for RFI suppression.

For the magnets try a snubber as electrically close to the magnets as
possible (on the magnet terminals is best).  Add a 1000 pF 400V cap across
the magnets.  That should kill (or reduce) the RFI as it limits dV/dt when
the loop opens.  You might also add a series combination of 470 ohm
resistor (1/4 watt is fine) and 0.1uF @ 400 volts across the magnets.  The
0.1uF/470 ohms limits the voltage of the ringing of the R-L-C circuit when
the loop opens.

Paul, ad7i






On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 12:19 PM JOHN MCCARTY <n9hrt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Keepers of the green keys;
>
>    I have a model 15 KSR that used to be in a private home for TTD
> service. I got it off Craig's list some time back.
> We use the machine as a demo unit at events and it works well. The crowds
> are always drawn to it. Here in Chicago we
> have a 2 meter FM channel we run these on. The problem is we usually have
> other radios running at these events and
> when the keyboard is in use it really rips up 20 meters. I ran a test
> using just one of my stations RX's and it was
> far worse on 20 that 80 or 10 meters.
>
> Is there somewhere I can hang a cap or two and quite things down a bit?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
> John n9hrt
> ______________________________________________________________
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Nov 13 13:47:00 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR
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	<1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
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There were RFI mitigating components in the original wiring. They may have been stripped out when the machine was prepped for TTD use (I have seen the wiring "simiplified" like that before).? Or the RC components have deteriorated & just aren't doing the job anymore.
WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN MCCARTY <n9hrt at sbcglobal.net>
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2021 6:20 pm
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR

Keepers of the green keys;
? ?I have a model 15 KSR that used to be in a private home for TTD service. I got it off Craig's list some time back.We use the machine as a demo unit at events and it works well. The crowds are always drawn to it. Here in Chicago wehave a 2 meter FM channel we run these on. The problem is we usually have other radios running at these events andwhen the keyboard is in use it really rips up 20 meters. I ran a test using just one of my stations RX's and it wasfar worse on 20 that 80 or 10 meters.
Is there somewhere I can hang a cap or two and quite things down a bit?
Thanks for your help

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Nov 13 13:48:02 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:48:02 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR
In-Reply-To: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7cea90fc339151ef5c5c69227ed925cd.squirrel@kiwi.hallikainen.org>

I added 100 omhs on series with 470 nF across the keyboard. See
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/tu170/

Harold


On Fri, November 12, 2021 6:20 pm, JOHN MCCARTY wrote:
> Keepers of the green keys;
> ?? ??I have a model 15 KSR that used to be in a private home for TTD
> service. I got it off Craig's list some time back.We use the machine as a
> demo unit at events and it works well. The crowds are always drawn to it.
> Here in Chicago wehave a 2 meter FM channel we run these on. The problem
> is we usually have other radios running at these events andwhen the
> keyboard is in use it really rips up 20 meters. I ran a test using just
> one of my stations RX's and it wasfar worse on 20 that 80 or 10 meters.
> Is there somewhere I can hang a cap or two and quite things down a bit?
> Thanks for your help
>
> John n9hrt______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 13 13:55:56 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:55:56 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR
In-Reply-To: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1288164320.1298154.1636766415232@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <658B9765-CF05-46B6-80C3-F0A6B2F5891B@yahoo.com>

The Army units had an RFI suppressor on the keyboard. You can see the filter network in these drawings: https://deramp.com/downloads/teletype/Model%2015/TG-7-B%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf

Mike

> On Nov 13, 2021, at 11:18 AM, JOHN MCCARTY <n9hrt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Keepers of the green keys;
> 
>    I have a model 15 KSR that used to be in a private home for TTD service. I got it off Craig's list some time back.
> We use the machine as a demo unit at events and it works well. The crowds are always drawn to it. Here in Chicago we
> have a 2 meter FM channel we run these on. The problem is we usually have other radios running at these events and
> when the keyboard is in use it really rips up 20 meters. I ran a test using just one of my stations RX's and it was
> far worse on 20 that 80 or 10 meters.
> 
> Is there somewhere I can hang a cap or two and quite things down a bit?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> 
> John n9hrt
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 13 13:58:45 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:58:45 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrically Noisy Model 15 KSR
In-Reply-To: <658B9765-CF05-46B6-80C3-F0A6B2F5891B@yahoo.com>
References: <658B9765-CF05-46B6-80C3-F0A6B2F5891B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9718485B-287D-4C0D-80A4-77F2EEA1B8CB@yahoo.com>

You see the 92222 filter mounted on top of the keyboard switch contacts during the first 10 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSr5bgyCq-s

Mike

> On Nov 13, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Mike Douglas <deramp5113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The Army units had an RFI suppressor on the keyboard. You can see the filter network in these drawings: https://deramp.com/downloads/teletype/Model%2015/TG-7-B%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf
> 
> Mike
> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 11:18 AM, JOHN MCCARTY <n9hrt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Keepers of the green keys;
>> 
>>    I have a model 15 KSR that used to be in a private home for TTD service. I got it off Craig's list some time back.
>> We use the machine as a demo unit at events and it works well. The crowds are always drawn to it. Here in Chicago we
>> have a 2 meter FM channel we run these on. The problem is we usually have other radios running at these events and
>> when the keyboard is in use it really rips up 20 meters. I ran a test using just one of my stations RX's and it was
>> far worse on 20 that 80 or 10 meters.
>> 
>> Is there somewhere I can hang a cap or two and quite things down a bit?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help
>> 
>> 
>> John n9hrt
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 14:15:15 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:15:15 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
In-Reply-To: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADo5+=+=HbibMyG6tCy-Fz-Yh4FQtsmMETm8-bduDDjYDMPLUg@mail.gmail.com>

It's nice to see another one of these wonderful machines running again!
Great job!

Bill
KE3BK

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:45 PM Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I've finally had some time the last couple of weeks to work on restoration
> of a Model 15 Teletype I picked up earlier this year. The machine is now up
> and running again and it feels (and sounds) great!
>
> Here's a short video of it printing live from the ITTY feed:
> https://youtu.be/mSr5bgyCq-s
>
> Mike
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> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 15:06:09 2021
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 15:06:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another Model 15 up and running!
In-Reply-To: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <596461588.1319066.1636771511816.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<596461588.1319066.1636771511816@mail.yahoo.com>
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Fantastic Mike!

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 9:45 PM Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I've finally had some time the last couple of weeks to work on restoration
> of a Model 15 Teletype I picked up earlier this year. The machine is now up
> and running again and it feels (and sounds) great!
>
> Here's a short video of it printing live from the ITTY feed:
> https://youtu.be/mSr5bgyCq-s
>
> Mike
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Sat Nov 13 17:05:03 2021
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 17:05:03 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBSQA7OM_wtkRxo_CWgqN9=30QGuu9eeSJ9=t+VpmOFfKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBRE2czGaawgCYJb10E9LcHD1VRFZq=Jn2kKpo1paxAp9A@mail.gmail.com>	<618ecd03.1c69fb81.9fb83.5becSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>	<CAPs7XBQyGXRSSti+Kfp-+JD2+rgG4YdNye8Tt-hci4TsaYZdxg@mail.gmail.com>	<bb43f77f-ceb5-c198-098d-2fdaeb4e6748@att.net>	<61022781.1300536.1636767082052@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAFuMf3ePNBpKiaIPw9ki247CgAAAEAAAAA+uVCzMSsFBiVlqfQEEluEBAAAAAA==@comcast.net>

Joe,

 

Tell me more about your TTY pulling up the WX by ICAO.  Does this use the internet for retrieval or what exactly?

 

I ask because I have need for something along these lines to fetch METARs for local airports in text format WITHOUT using the internet.

 

Joe

N9VMO

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Duszynski
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 20:57
To: Greenkeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype

 

I have a teletype set up in the hangar that can pull up the weather via the ICAO (airport ID) 
I want to take it to nerd level 11........
A printed copy of the ATIS and Weather is golden and the acars updates before the internet version a good 5-10 minutes earlier.

 
 
>
> Steve,
>
>   These have nothing to do with teletype.
> It's just aircraft information that can be delivered by radio or internet.(or whatever)
> The original poster is just looking for a way to send it to a teletype.

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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sat Nov 13 19:09:08 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 17:09:08 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAFuMf3ePNBpKiaIPw9ki247CgAAAEAAAAA+uVCzMSsFBiVlqfQEEluEBAAAAAA==@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.143.1636848558.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

I too would like to be able to print local (KTUS) METARS /TAFS onto my TTY sans internet if that's possibleMike
-------- Original message --------From: Joe Montano <n9vmo at comcast.net> Date: 11/13/21  3:05 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 'Joe Duszy?ski' <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>, 'Greenkeys' <GREENKEYS at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype 



Joe,

?

Tell me more about your TTY pulling up the WX by ICAO.? Does
this use the internet for retrieval or what exactly?

?

I ask because I have need for something along these lines to
fetch METARs for local airports in text format WITHOUT using the internet.

?

Joe

N9VMO

?



From:
greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Duszynski
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 20:57
To: Greenkeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ACARS to Teletype



?



I have a teletype set up in the hangar that can pull up the
weather via the ICAO (airport ID)?
I want to take it to nerd level 11........
A printed copy of the ATIS and Weather is golden and the acars updates before
the internet version a good 5-10 minutes earlier.



?
?
>
> Steve,
>
> ? These have nothing to do with teletype.
> It's just aircraft information that can be delivered by radio or
internet.(or whatever)
> The original poster is just looking for a way to send it to a teletype.










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From aa6rk at aol.com  Sat Nov 13 22:51:34 2021
From: aa6rk at aol.com (AA6RK)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 03:51:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY on K4
References: <889338218.549410.1636861894977.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <889338218.549410.1636861894977@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello...Any K4 user set up RTTY?? I need your advice on connections to a ST-6000. Thanks, Bob
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 10:45:26 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 10:45:26 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] San Antonio - M14 typing reperf and M33 ASR - $40 -
	CraigsList
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcBvOnKL8v_upTbVXeRuWeTuDcXwSvsANW2O7qOcBKFPQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/atq/d/san-antonio-2x-vintage-teletype-machines/7399890010.html

I know nothing more....other than $40 for both seems like a Good Deal!

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 12:41:20 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:41:20 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] A weird 14TD FWIW - TSEC/HL-1
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdvMCaBr7cf8HuPGzRmYi3zVKJZ0GGTDs-o+1XEAn=zyg@mail.gmail.com>

You might know that Teletype Corp built lots of cryptographic equipment for
the US military and NSA during and after WW2. Unfortunately, this stuff
doesn't turn up on eBay or CraigsList.

But I was recently given the tape reader section of a TSEC/HL-1 - it is
basically a M14 TD which then feeds a set of translator relays (which I
don't have), which turn 5 bits to 26 letters plus some control characters.

The HL-1 translator section energizes one wire per letter which goes to a
KL-7 or KL-47 rotor-based crypto machine (similar to the famous Enigma but
with 8 rotors). The HL-1 essentially completes keyboard closures for each
character on the tape.

The TD section that I have is shown here as well as complete HL-1 units
(unfortunately not showing the translator relays)
https://www.navy-radio.com/crypto.htm#hl1

My TD unit is evidently the TSEC/HLT-1 with connectors to a separate
translator section TSEC/HLI-1 in the AN/SGA-5 system picture here -
https://www.navy-radio.com/crypto/sga5-01.gif

If you have any more parts of machines like this, I'd be really interested
in seeing photos.
Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Nov 14 13:28:09 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:28:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY on K4
In-Reply-To: <889338218.549410.1636861894977@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <889338218.549410.1636861894977.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<889338218.549410.1636861894977@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Sat, November 13, 2021 8:51 pm, AA6RK via GreenKeys wrote:
> Hello...Any K4 user set up RTTY??? I need your advice on connections to a
> ST-6000. Thanks,
> Bob______________________________________________________________


Following up on this, I've been helping Bob with the ST-6000. It had a bad
divide by 10 counter in the tone generator, so that is now working!

Looking at
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/K4%20Built-In%20Operating%20Manual,%20rev%20C10.pdf#page=75
, it appears the K4 should be put in AFSK mode to use audio from the
ST-6000 to the K4 Line In connector. Is that correct? I assume the AFSK
mode puts it in LSB and pulls audio from Line In (of course, there is also
a setting to pull audio from USB instead, but we want the analog Line In
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/K4%20Built-In%20Operating%20Manual,%20rev%20C10.pdf#page=40
).

I see at
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K4/Manuals%20Downloads/K4%20Built-In%20Operating%20Manual,%20rev%20C10.pdf#page=54
that when in AFSK mode, the K4 displays the mark frequency instead of the
LSB suppressed carrier frequency (which it displays in Data mode).

So far, I'm thinking Bob needs to do the following:

1. Connect ST-6000 audio out to the K4 Line In connector.

2. Connect the ST-6000 audio in to the K4 Line Out connector.

3. Connect the ST-6000 Keyboard Operated Relay output to the K4 PTT
connector.

4. Configure the K4 to use Line In for the AFSK mode (not USB).

6. Adjust either the ST-6000 output level or the transceiver audio input
gain for an ALC level just below 5.

To get on our 20 meter autostart frequency, the K4 would be set to
transmit AFSK on 14.083,875 MHz.

I think the ST-6000 should have autostart on. Besides motor control, this
also provides mark hold in the absence of an RTTY signal, avoiding the
printing of garbage due to noise. To bring up the Keyboard Operated Relay
in the ST-6000 when the printer motor is not running, momentarily hit the
break key. That will bring up the KOR and the motor.


Harold
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 14:22:41 2021
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:22:41 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] San Antonio - M14 typing reperf and M33 ASR - $40 -
	CraigsList
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcBvOnKL8v_upTbVXeRuWeTuDcXwSvsANW2O7qOcBKFPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNcBvOnKL8v_upTbVXeRuWeTuDcXwSvsANW2O7qOcBKFPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er56PgpJ61CorEf6=tuSuHtyEKe577Pw6ZfRjJBnaNBb+Gg@mail.gmail.com>

I picked it up, thanks!

Has anyone made new keycaps for a TG-11 (one was also included) or a model
14?

-Eric



On Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 9:46 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/atq/d/san-antonio-2x-vintage-teletype-machines/7399890010.html
>
> I know nothing more....other than $40 for both seems like a Good Deal!
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
> ______________________________________________________________
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 15:07:47 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:07:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] =?utf-8?b?WW91IGtub3cgeW914oCZdmUgYmVlbuKApg==?=
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeYwQD+=kh9TiAcvB1uCFrbzt6gEKFuM661CnbaJ_eZcg@mail.gmail.com>

You know you?ve been on greenkeys too long when you are trying to send
email about an auto parts store and your smartphone insists on substituting
either ?Autostart? or ?AUTODIN?

Cheers
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 14 17:13:34 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:13:34 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 what's this pawl
Message-ID: <CH2PR17MB39597344FB6410A019ABFF4490979@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I got my model 15 cleaned up and lubed save grease on big gears (im trying to stay as clean as possible tweaking it) The question I have is this I tested the base alone after doing some minor repairs and the motor works fine...I hooked up the printer to the base and free handed it...  I dont have my DC supply yet I just bought a Hal 5000 so that will be my loop and how I get ITTY....  I can go one revolution and the unit stops whem a pawl on the left side of the machine engages... I cant seem to find its name on my diagrams nor can I understand why it's engaging... I thought that the unit could run on AC and would just chatter... I was thinking this would be a good way to ensure the main drive train is good to go...  Ive attached a pic..
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 14 18:42:02 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 23:42:02 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Which is correct
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I have two model 15s one has the splones or teeth of the end of the main shaft open the other is closed tight (see pics) which is correct???
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sun Nov 14 19:47:43 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:47:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info Tech M-600 manual
Message-ID: <mailman.145.1636937276.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

Wondering if someone has a link or possible their own file they would care to share for the user manual of an Info Tech M-600 demodulatorThanks...Mike
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sun Nov 14 20:52:35 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:52:35 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Which is correct
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Well, it?s hard to tell without the loop current on it, but both should be able to move freely (I think the one on the right - when looking at the machine, if I remember right, will only open and close when the TT is doing what it should? someone please correct me if I?m wrong,  I can always go down stairs and look).  The one on the left is the clutch, I believe and yeah, without the loop, it should be chattering? so check if it does indeed move freely or not with a screwdriver when the machine is off.  if it's stuck, then lubricate it liberally and try to slide that part with the teeth back and forth to get it all nice and lubricated.  When I got my first 19, that part was stuck open, so even with a loop supply on it, it chattered away? took a hammer, a screwdriver and a bunch of synthetic oil to unfreeze it.

Now question? you said that the one on the right is on the main shaft - the way it looks, correct?  I remember another on the keyboard? that one always stays open unless typing, I believe.


> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:42 pm, chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have two model 15s one has the splones or teeth of the end of the main shaft open the other is closed tight (see pics) which is correct???

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 14 21:03:33 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 21:03:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] A weird 14TD FWIW - TSEC/HL-1
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdvMCaBr7cf8HuPGzRmYi3zVKJZ0GGTDs-o+1XEAn=zyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdvMCaBr7cf8HuPGzRmYi3zVKJZ0GGTDs-o+1XEAn=zyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <def5c430-4317-7135-97bb-3ab177f66518@earthlink.net>

Nick,

Congratulations on scoring a TSEC/HLT-1 !

Your crypto page is growing!? I think the HL-1 must have been a newer 
version of my TT-36/GGA-1 (farther down your Crypto page).

Looking over your Crypto page and seeing the TSEC/KW-2 reminded me of 
the similar Teletype Corp. "61 Type Coding Unit" that the AWA Museum got 
from the Teletype Corp. Museum when it closed. This unit uses the same 
chassis as the KW-2, but has a M14 tape reader stuck to the side. There 
are also differences in the main-shaft and a lot more relays in the 
bottom section.

I've been in contact with the National Cryptologic Museum (NSA) about 
it, but have not gotten much information from them. They have one of 
these units (#2008.0915.1011) in their collection, but it is mislabeled 
as a "M-228" (an earlier version of the KW-2.).? I've been trying to get 
someone to go to their storage facility to see what its model number 
really is for the past few years.? I just sent them another query.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ



On 14-Nov-21 12:41, Nick England wrote:
> You might know that Teletype Corp built lots of cryptographic 
> equipment for the US military and NSA during and after WW2. 
> Unfortunately, this stuff doesn't turn up on eBay or CraigsList.
>
> But I was recently given the tape reader section of a TSEC/HL-1 - it 
> is basically a M14 TD which then feeds a set of translator relays 
> (which I don't have), which turn 5 bits to 26 letters plus some 
> control characters.
>
> The HL-1 translator section energizes one wire per letter which goes 
> to a KL-7 or KL-47 rotor-based crypto machine (similar to the famous 
> Enigma but with 8 rotors). The HL-1 essentially completes keyboard 
> closures for each character on the tape.
>
> The TD section that I have is shown here as well as complete HL-1 
> units (unfortunately not showing the translator relays)
> https://www.navy-radio.com/crypto.htm#hl1
>
> My TD unit is evidently the TSEC/HLT-1 with connectors to a separate 
> translator section TSEC/HLI-1 in the AN/SGA-5 system picture here -
> https://www.navy-radio.com/crypto/sga5-01.gif
>
> If you have any more parts of machines like this, I'd be really 
> interested in seeing photos.
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
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From jeffa at rodaw.com  Sun Nov 14 21:13:04 2021
From: jeffa at rodaw.com (Jeff Albrecht)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:13:04 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info Tech M-600 manual
In-Reply-To: <20211115011112.D0B7B2EB47BF@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20211115011112.D0B7B2EB47BF@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <ed276b68-32b2-b428-0699-fc59485f4b34@rodaw.com>

On 11/14/2021 5:47 PM, Mike wrote:
> Wondering if someone has a link or possible their own file they would 
> care to share for the user manual of an Info Tech M-600 demodulator

Me too please! :-)

 ?- Jeff


>
> Thanks...
>
>
> Mike
>
>
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Nov 15 10:44:42 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 10:44:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Which is correct
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From riceboxjim at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:05:05 2021
From: riceboxjim at gmail.com (AlmostRiced)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 15:05:05 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is this pawl for ?
Message-ID: <CALrKrD+Fnxj_82D-=u6xPD1dog-g9197Ur9yhhu5rmbc68C8yw@mail.gmail.com>

It is the main clutch arm for the main shaft - one needs it when
a signal comes in that is a mark signal to stop the clutch from rotating
until the next space signal is received, otherwise that machine will just
sounds like it is running open and or print the last character received
continuously....better find it, install it, adjust it is my advice.. BUT
What do I know ? 50 plus years working on M14's, M15's, M19's
Kleinschmidt Models TT-98. and others - Crap O' La's
Gov't trained on M28, M40's
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:25:14 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:25:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Autostart
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBQcDAh=CG6QZ7XGJy2+R=MJnuYOFK-2VekB6b_hXVHnDA@mail.gmail.com>

Are the greenkeys messages being sent to autostart?
I haven't seen any greenkeys stuff but there were a couple of RTTY art
images that came across.
I sent a text test from GMAIL earlier today and that never showed up.
I sent a text test a minute ago via RTTYMailer and that worked flawlessly.
this is CC'd to both GK an AS via gmail

Just curious JD
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:29:11 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:29:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Autostart
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBQcDAh=CG6QZ7XGJy2+R=MJnuYOFK-2VekB6b_hXVHnDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBQcDAh=CG6QZ7XGJy2+R=MJnuYOFK-2VekB6b_hXVHnDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBRPguwey132z2x0dxiB9f33U29rE=VAid+-fEJysAPmww@mail.gmail.com>

Figured it out "It was .NET" not ".COM"
It actually bounced this time
  Ooops! LOL!

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 5:25 PM Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Are the greenkeys messages being sent to autostart?
> I haven't seen any greenkeys stuff but there were a couple of RTTY art
> images that came across.
> I sent a text test from GMAIL earlier today and that never showed up.
> I sent a text test a minute ago via RTTYMailer and that worked flawlessly.
> this is CC'd to both GK an AS via gmail
>
> Just curious JD
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 20:37:39 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 20:37:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 clutches
Message-ID: <CAJK8693zrRtNkvaXnOhdfgOx7mC2U4GJmdB8JqRCEVf8sfgLHA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris,

I am looking at Teletype Bulletin 144 (1931), Page 11. I had trouble with
the mainshaft clutch on my 15. The driven part is the one with the spring
behind it. When released, the spring drives it into the teeth on the
driving part which is locked to the geared part of the shaft. The spring
would not move my driven part. it was stuck to the shaft. I put some oil on
the shaft between the two sets of teeth and, with the motor off, forced
mine to engage (I forget how.) Then I put oil behind it and forced it back
again. Back and forth, adding oil occasionally and also rotating it, until
it would slide freely. Presto when I turned it on, my machine started
typing. It looks like you also have a clutch that won't disengage. Same
thing. Get it to slide back and forth smoothly with oil and a little work.
See the group for the proper oil to use. I am fortunate enough to have
genuine Teletype oil.

Any place you see a felt clutch, (a disk of felt between two shiny steel
discs held together by a strong spring) that felt must always be saturated
with oil.

Mine had other problems. Yours may also. Study Bulletin 144 and Tackle them
one at a time in order. It will eventually start to work.

It is a great feeling to see one of those old clunkers start to type again!

Take a look at this site: http://www.aetherltd.com/refurbishing15.html

This fellow seems to know what he is talking about.You will also find model
15 manuals there.

I work on my 15 in an unheated basement and my 28's in my unheated radio
building. The weather is getting cold now and cold Teletypes get flaky.
They settle down in the spring.

I bought a parts washer from Harbor Freight to bathe Teletype pieces in
Simple Green. My Simple Green is now black. I will replace it next spring.
and get back to work on my 28's or on another 15 if I can find one.

I want to take two 15's to a school, where a friend is the security guard,
and set them up between two classrooms for a few hours. I want 15's because
the operation is much more intuitive than a 28. If other schools ask, I
will take them anywhere in the district.

I will be asking the group soon for help with with the final problem on my
15. The baseline on the page is very uneven.


Tom N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 21:24:56 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 21:24:56 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 problems
Message-ID: <CAJK86919sopwwruxMwv0AM-5UTj3pq1E+wwA8sPvSs68GfGzMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Back in April, before Hotmail shut me out of Greenkeys, I was having
trouble with the motor in my 28 KSR. Since then I was given a collection of
28 pieces. (Thanks Bill) I took the LMU12 from an ASR with no cabinet and
put it in mine. No problems since!

I had put an outboard new capacitor on my LMU12. It worked for a week or
two but got flaky again. I will be trying it in a 28 KSR which is a much
lighter load.

I also fixed a wobbly baseline on the ASR. Cycling the motor by hand I
observed that  both correcting levers were slightly bent and not engaging
when the typebox was at its highest postion. causing the bottom row of type
to print low. Some very careful bending solved the problem and now it types
beautifully.

Next problem - the keyboard typing perforator is very flaky. It is also
filthy. I may take it outside ext spring and give it a bath in Simple Green
then start over with it.


*I am trying to get my local ex-Navy 28 repairman to walk me through fixing
the stuntbox on the first KSR  am putting together. That is the one that
won't respond to an LF character.*


*I  also have a 28 ROTR that punches tape perfectly but won't print right. *
*I see a large part of the problem is that  the print hammer is not hitting*

*the characters on the typewheel squarely and only parts of them print.*

I am going from machine to machine trying to fix problems. I am glad
I love to learn new things.


Tom   N3CRK
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 22:43:59 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:43:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Curious Model 15/19 problem
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBRygo8gGzEQQiFNHQeLajY9+NFT7tzWdrNJtz4dBHgfag@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an odd problem with a Model 15/19 with Keyboard perforator.
With the switch set to "Keyboard"
The machine works fine, types fine, punches tape fine, there is also a
typing reperforator on the loop it prints fine and the computer reads the
loop ZERO PROBLEMS along with another teletype on the loop no issues in
this mode.

With the switch set to "Tape" it punches fine. ZERO PROBLEMS the switch in
this mode does not transmit from the keyboard its tape only.

Now the problem occurs when it's set to "Keyboard & Tape" The keyboard
punch punches the correct code to the tape, but the printer drops the
second bit and types T instead of L, M instead of V, <CR> instead of R.
Slow typing RYRYRY gives <CR>Y<CR>Y<CR>Y on the printer.
Fast typing RYRYRY gives RYRYRY and occasionally it will <CR>instead of R
The Reperforator, Computer and anything else on the loop receives the
correct L V R RY whatever with no glitches. Looking at the loop with a
scope I don't see any issues no spikes or drops and the scope will display
the correct bit pattern for the typed character.
The loop current is 60ma right on the money.
The keyboard is obviously sending the correct code as the Reperf,Computer
and other teletype receive ok and the tape punch is a mechanical linkage
and it punches the correct code on the tape......
Still in the "Keyboard & Tape" position If I transmit a tape that printer
works fine If I send copy from the other teletype or the computer it also
works fine.
The issue only occurs with the switch in "Keyboard Tape" and slow hunt an
peck typing on the local keyboard and the local printer.
Flip the switch to "Keyboard" and you can hunt and peck type and the
printer prints fine, switch it back to "Keyboard Tape" do the same thing it
drops

I'm kinda of the opinion that it may be the solenoid/magnet that operates
the punch but I don't see it causing any sort of spike or drop on the
oscilloscope that would cause any interference and everything else on the
gets the code ok.
Sort of gave up for the night as I'm at wits end "I'd pull my hair out but
I'm already bald" LOL! Tomorrow I might cut the wire to the punch
solenoid/magnet
and see if that does anything.
If anybodys come across this before I'd love to hear how ya solved it!!
JD.
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 11:50:09 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 11:50:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 ASR Motor
Message-ID: <CAJK8690TresGj2KrhFhF2sK508_YU=OZrkSm3QL0g=PLdAjh-w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

The motor is flaky starting. It will wobble back and forth a few degrees
and overheat if I  don't cut the power.

If I give it a spin and quickly turn on the power, it runs fine.

The first thing I did months ago was clean the relay. It worked fine on the
bench but went back to wobbling in the ASR. Recently I bought a new
outboard capacitor. It worked fine for a week or two then it started to
wobble again.

By now I had a used LMU12 which I swapped in.he ASR has been fine since.

Now that it would run reliably, I could tackle the uneven printing. That
turned out to be both vertical correcting levers slightly bent.

I put the flaky LMU12 in a 28 ASR base I will be using soon. If it still
acts up I will worry about it then.

Thank you  for your interest.


Tom    N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 12:14:58 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:14:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 ROTR
Message-ID: <CAJK8693Q337Hk1XJrXEAFnikcQU1Q39z3-1fXHFQ5807vZoWmw@mail.gmail.com>

Nick,

I just went down the cellar to where I have the ROTR (One of the pieces
Bill gave me) on the bench. All I see is metal on the print hammer.

Perhaps Daniel Jones will get in touch with me about replacing the plastic.

Thank you Nick.


Tom N3CRK
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From djones at k6yic.com  Wed Nov 17 12:44:42 2021
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:44:42 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 ROTR
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I emailed you directly but gmail likes to file my stuff in the junk box for some reason.  Email me directly if you did not get an email from me already.  

Daniel
DJones at K6yic.com


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 09:16, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Nick,
> 
> I just went down the cellar to where I have the ROTR (One of the pieces Bill gave me) on the bench. All I see is metal on the print hammer. 
> 
> Perhaps Daniel Jones will get in touch with me about replacing the plastic.
> 
> Thank you Nick.
> 
> 
> Tom N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 12:54:24 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:54:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 ROTR
Message-ID: <CAJK86918z4hmuKcjUrLLNbpUEySgw-VxU0xqs-AxbeaMbY8z4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Nick,

Thank you for the link. Your site is getting so big it is starting to get
difficult to find things I need.

I hand cycled my ROTR (with it connected to ITTY news so it would print
random characters and not just blanks) the axial correcting lever was
operating positively.

It is much harder to tell with the vertical correcting lever, but it seems
to be passing in front of the lever it should strike. If I held it inward
with a screwdriver, it would lock in every time. Otherwise it would miss.
is there an adjustment for that? Or do I need to bend it as I did on my ASR
typing unit?

With the ASR I could type a problem letter and run it through the complete
printing cycle by hand. I don''t have that luxury with the RO-ROTR.

I would love to get my hands on a KBD base and cover for an ROTR!

I also observed that tape from the ROTR won't read on my ASR TD.
When the perforator on the ASR condescends to work, it reads fine on its
own TD. I see that the feed holes from the ROTR are not quite in line with
the data holes. I found the adjustment manual on your site and have been
staring at that page hoping it will sink in. I don't have the gauge, but
since I could see the trouble by eye, I am hoping I can adjust it by eye.

Thank you again for a terrific resource.


Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 16:18:50 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:18:50 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Setup
Message-ID: <CAJK8691hWaYJazeftmyTXJnJEe6hyTOLihfsdTxScPg3MG4Csw@mail.gmail.com>

Many moths ago Steve Bennett AD8CI asked to see other's setups.

Here are some views of my Radio Building. The first is my "Teletype wall."
At the top left is my idle line motor control. It is usually plugged into
my Test Loop. The heavy wire goes to a ceiling mounted outlet. The wall
wart sends 24 VAC to the house to operate relays to control other
Teletypes.

At the top right is a polar relay conected to an EIA output of a military
Dovetron.
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 17:27:52 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:27:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Setup
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 Tom Hunter,
? Thanks for sharing that.I was really amazed by some of the answers I got to that original post.Glad I asked.
-Steve AD8CI
    On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 04:22:14 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Many moths ago Steve Bennett AD8CI asked to see other's setups.
Here are some views of my Radio Building. The first is my "Teletype wall."At the top left is my idle line motor control. It is usually plugged into my Test Loop. The heavy wire goes to a ceiling mounted outlet. The wall wart sends 24 VAC to the house to operate relays to control other Teletypes. 

At the top right is a polar relay conected to an EIA output of a military Dovetron. 
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 20:09:09 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 20:09:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] My Setup - Part 1
Message-ID: <CAJK8692+pX7Hipd5tYqbhRbkRmNuAOaydkc9ZfDUL0omapqqUA@mail.gmail.com>

Many moths ago Steve Bennett AD8CI asked to see other's setups.

Here is a photo of what I call my "teletype wall" in my radio building.

At the top left is my idle line motor control. It is usually plugged into
the top row of jacks.

The heavy wire goes to a ceiling mounted outlet. The wall wart sends 24 VAC
to the house to operate relays to control other Teletypes.

At the top right is a polar relay connected to the EIA output of a military
Dovetron. It is usually patched into the second row of jacks.

The third row is supposed to be the Autostart channel but right now is just
a loop supply in the house.

The bottom row is ITTY News for testing and exercising Teletypes. The meter
is reading backwards because of a wiring mistake in the house.


Top-center is a current meter that can be patched into any loop.

Below that and the motor control is a second patchable meter

To the right of the Green Patch Panel is a relay on the output of an IRL
FSK-1000. The dry contacts can be patched to key any otherwise unused loop.

The ethernet cable plugged into the 8-wire jack carries four loops to or
from the house.

The left barrier strip brings two loop jacks from the ceiling to the
Teletype Wall.

The right barrier strip brings current from my dual loop supply to the Test
and Repeater loops.

More to follow...


Tom   N3CRK
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 12:25:17 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:25:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Curious Model 15/19 problem
In-Reply-To: <45D2AE3D-9F95-4708-A45C-71C14BB75444@tapr.org>
References: <CAPs7XBRygo8gGzEQQiFNHQeLajY9+NFT7tzWdrNJtz4dBHgfag@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D2AE3D-9F95-4708-A45C-71C14BB75444@tapr.org>
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@John
Western Union Telex was taken out of service I'd guess 1980ish,
complete 19 table setup, synch motor keyboard perf base,
Western Union Power supply has a solid steady 120vdc 60ma running the 15
printer, a 14 typing reperf and another 14 tape printer plus computer.
 It has 2 loops in the power supply the second one isn't hooked to anything
on the terminals inside the set. And the adjustment is at 120ma on that
side the slider is about mid way on the resistor.
I've had stuff hooked up to that other side of the powersupply using a
military line unit to bring the current down to 60ma so I didn't have to
dink with the slider inside the set. At that time it ran everything I had
hooked to it, But I also haven't messed with that side in maybe 6 or 8
months.
The side I'm using like I mentioned is at 60ma  the slider on that side is
toward the end of the resistor.
Everything is hooked up/wired according to the WU schematic that I have
with the exception of the "TELEX" box its gone. I have that jumpered out
for the set to run.
FYI I'm looking for one of those WU Telex boxes (has 3 12 pin molex
connectors on it) it doesn't have to work I want the box to house a
microcontroller.
If I don't find a real one gonna 3D print a faux one...(A project for
another day)

Tonite when I get home going to try and cut/disconnect the wire to the
punch coil and see if that is where the issue is...???.
I'll post my results about 6 or 7 ish
It's darn odd.
JD
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 18:52:44 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:52:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Curious Model 15/19 problem
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	<45D2AE3D-9F95-4708-A45C-71C14BB75444@tapr.org>
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	<31EE9743-F4CC-45AB-B0DB-BFF2891E41EA@tapr.org>
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You are correct "in Keyboard" the punch attached to the keyboard does not
operate,
But the reperf punch does operate without error. I mixed my punches LOL.
That was an error on my part. I was  a bit frazzed last night.
So I clipped the punch power wire when I got home. And the problem is gone
so something when the punch operates/cycles is causing the problem.








On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:55 PM John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> So the punch power is separate from the loop supplies?  And telex probably
> rules out any wild stuff the military did to operate on all strange
> voltages and frequencies.
>
> You said something that didn't ring true.
>
> "With the switch set to "Keyboard"
> The machine works fine, types fine, punches tape fine, there is also a
> typing reperforator on the loop it prints fine and the computer reads the
> loop ZERO PROBLEMS along with another teletype on the loop no issues in
> this mode."
>
> I don't think it's supposed to punch tape in the. Keyboard mode, but it's
> been too many years since I owned a 19.  Perhaps that was a reference to
> the reperforator punching fine?
>
> Here's a wild thought  The number two contact on the keyboard is on the
> hairy edge of its adjustment range and the punch magnet sets up some sort
> of vibration that messes up number 2 contact.  Or that it only affects
> number two because of the timing.
>
> If there's merit to that idea, then I'd start with being sure there are no
> punch parts loose.
>
> Crazy idea, but who knows?  It's the best I have at the moment.
>
> I start with being
> John, W9DDD
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 7:25 AM, Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > @John
> > Western Union Telex was taken out of service I'd guess 1980ish,
> > complete 19 table setup, synch motor keyboard perf base,
> > Western Union Power supply has a solid steady 120vdc 60ma running the 15
> printer, a 14 typing reperf and another 14 tape printer plus computer.
> > It has 2 loops in the power supply the second one isn't hooked to
> anything on the terminals inside the set. And the adjustment is at 120ma on
> that side the slider is about mid way on the resistor.
> > I've had stuff hooked up to that other side of the powersupply using a
> military line unit to bring the current down to 60ma so I didn't have to
> dink with the slider inside the set. At that time it ran everything I had
> hooked to it, But I also haven't messed with that side in maybe 6 or 8
> months.
> > The side I'm using like I mentioned is at 60ma  the slider on that side
> is toward the end of the resistor.
> > Everything is hooked up/wired according to the WU schematic that I have
> with the exception of the "TELEX" box its gone. I have that jumpered out
> for the set to run.
> > FYI I'm looking for one of those WU Telex boxes (has 3 12 pin molex
> connectors on it) it doesn't have to work I want the box to house a
> microcontroller.
> > If I don't find a real one gonna 3D print a faux one...(A project for
> another day)
> >
> > Tonite when I get home going to try and cut/disconnect the wire to the
> punch coil and see if that is where the issue is...???.
> > I'll post my results about 6 or 7 ish
> > It's darn odd.
> > JD
> >
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 18 12:10:09 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:10:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
Message-ID: <9efae6ff-a9e9-cf68-2065-686d6a10f8dc@earthlink.net>

The AWA recently received the following request:

**************************
*Name*
jose pavon

*Email*
pavon.jose at gmail.com

*Comment or Message*
Hello There,
My name is Jose Pavon, the Prop Master on a television show based in New 
York titled the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We are currently on our 5th 
season and we are looking for a vintage teletype machine for one of our 
sets, I was hoping that maybe you guys can help us source one or guide 
us in the right direction as far as what would be ideal equipment that 
would work in our scene. Please let me know if there is a good number 
where you might be reached.
thanks in advance




















**************************
I spoke to Jose and they are looking for a machine for a TV Studio set 
in 1960.? They would like to lease or buy a machine.? I offered to sell 
them a M28 we have that is without a printer for $100, that I thought 
would be good for a prop.? But Jose would like something that works and 
apparently acts like a real machine (spitting out paper).

The AWA Museum does not have a working M28 we want to get rid of and I 
told him that having the machine operational would be more complicated 
and they could just fake the printing. But he came back to me this AM 
saying they would really like something operational and could I help him 
find a working machine. So I told him I'd list it here on Greenkeys.

So, anyone have a working M15 or M28 they would like to lease out or 
sell to Jose?

(Warning - there have been some horror stories of people who leased out 
equipment to movie or TV production companies and when they got their 
machine back, it was pretty beaten up. So selling a unit would be the 
best way to go and then they don't have to pay to send it back.)

If you have something to offer Jose, please email him directly at 
pavon.jose at gmail.com


Thanks & 73,

Duncan
K2OEQ





From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 18 12:46:42 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:46:42 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
In-Reply-To: <9efae6ff-a9e9-cf68-2065-686d6a10f8dc@earthlink.net>
References: <9efae6ff-a9e9-cf68-2065-686d6a10f8dc@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <03DECD63-CC00-4F72-B3BE-A95C30677ED2@comcast.net>

To those who are new here? we?ve heard plenty of tales of destroyed machines. Jack Hart had a very rare model 28ASR that was destroyed (he never shared that publicly) and others have publicly shared similar stories. 

If you decide to go after this, make sure YOU go with the machine and have some kind of supervisory rights (hard to get)

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The AWA recently received the following request:
> 
> **************************
> *Name*
> jose pavon
> 
> *Email*
> pavon.jose at gmail.com
> 
> *Comment or Message*
> Hello There,
> My name is Jose Pavon, the Prop Master on a television show based in New York titled the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We are currently on our 5th season and we are looking for a vintage teletype machine for one of our sets, I was hoping that maybe you guys can help us source one or guide us in the right direction as far as what would be ideal equipment that would work in our scene. Please let me know if there is a good number where you might be reached.
> thanks in advance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> **************************
> I spoke to Jose and they are looking for a machine for a TV Studio set in 1960.  They would like to lease or buy a machine.  I offered to sell them a M28 we have that is without a printer for $100, that I thought would be good for a prop.  But Jose would like something that works and apparently acts like a real machine (spitting out paper).
> 
> The AWA Museum does not have a working M28 we want to get rid of and I told him that having the machine operational would be more complicated and they could just fake the printing. But he came back to me this AM saying they would really like something operational and could I help him find a working machine. So I told him I'd list it here on Greenkeys.
> 
> So, anyone have a working M15 or M28 they would like to lease out or sell to Jose?
> 
> (Warning - there have been some horror stories of people who leased out equipment to movie or TV production companies and when they got their machine back, it was pretty beaten up. So selling a unit would be the best way to go and then they don't have to pay to send it back.)
> 
> If you have something to offer Jose, please email him directly at pavon.jose at gmail.com
> 
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Thu Nov 18 12:53:57 2021
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (ad7i)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:53:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
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I have a very nice M15 in central coastal NJ, about a 60 minute drive
from Manhattan.

But the only reason I'd be interested in loaning it to a production
company would be for money, and I see all sorts of potential pitfalls.

I'd want an entertainment attorney to write a contract for me
(attorney would cost about $1000) and I'd want all fees and deposits
to be paid in advance, wire transfer, before they ever picked up the
machine.

If they wanted me to operate the machine in Manhattan for them, that's
$500/day plus expenses.

if they damaged the machine (and in the contract determination of that
would be at my sole discretion) then they can keep it, but they would
forfeit a substantial amount of money (I'm thinking $3000).

I suspect they would never agree to all that.

Paul, ad7i

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:48 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> To those who are new here? we?ve heard plenty of tales of destroyed machines. Jack Hart had a very rare model 28ASR that was destroyed (he never shared that publicly) and others have publicly shared similar stories.
>
> If you decide to go after this, make sure YOU go with the machine and have some kind of supervisory rights (hard to get)
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
>
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> ?The AWA recently received the following request:
>
> **************************
> *Name*
> jose pavon
>
> *Email*
> pavon.jose at gmail.com
>
> *Comment or Message*
> Hello There,
> My name is Jose Pavon, the Prop Master on a television show based in New York titled the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We are currently on our 5th season and we are looking for a vintage teletype machine for one of our sets, I was hoping that maybe you guys can help us source one or guide us in the right direction as far as what would be ideal equipment that would work in our scene. Please let me know if there is a good number where you might be reached.
> thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************************
> I spoke to Jose and they are looking for a machine for a TV Studio set in 1960.  They would like to lease or buy a machine.  I offered to sell them a M28 we have that is without a printer for $100, that I thought would be good for a prop.  But Jose would like something that works and apparently acts like a real machine (spitting out paper).
>
> The AWA Museum does not have a working M28 we want to get rid of and I told him that having the machine operational would be more complicated and they could just fake the printing. But he came back to me this AM saying they would really like something operational and could I help him find a working machine. So I told him I'd list it here on Greenkeys.
>
> So, anyone have a working M15 or M28 they would like to lease out or sell to Jose?
>
> (Warning - there have been some horror stories of people who leased out equipment to movie or TV production companies and when they got their machine back, it was pretty beaten up. So selling a unit would be the best way to go and then they don't have to pay to send it back.)
>
> If you have something to offer Jose, please email him directly at pavon.jose at gmail.com
>
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
>
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From radio_man at wbsnet.org  Thu Nov 18 13:20:43 2021
From: radio_man at wbsnet.org (radio_man at wbsnet.org)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:20:43 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info Tech M-600 manual
Message-ID: <85da9cbf16fd18d8d757797236b7f115.squirrel@mail.wbsnet.org>

Group...

Add me to the list for the M-600 manual.  Have a M-600, a M-605 FDM
Demodulator, and a M-610 Scope, have no manuals for them.  Like to get
data so can put them up for sale.  Excellent condx set.

Thanks, 73
Rod
K0EQH


> Wondering if someone has a link or possible their own file they would care
> to share for the user manual of an Info Tech M-600
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 13:21:55 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:21:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
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 My wife loves the Mrs. Maisel TV series and if I had a M15 I'm sure she'd
be loading it into the car as I type...
(I presume a Model 15 given the era and probability they want a news feed
machine)

I recall that Don House had a good experience with his machine on a movie
set. He shepherded it on set and operated in costume IIRC.
My friend Brian KN4R loaned several of his very rare early PanAm receivers
for a TV series about PanAm - again he watched over the gear  on set and
had a great time.

My little company's 3D crime scene scanner was in an episode of CSI some
years ago - a couple of our guys operated it on set and all went well - and
they had a great adventure.

I have also heard the horror tales of machines that went on loan and were
unaccompanied (don't know if that was the case with Jack).

My impression is that the prop manager has a standard form, you put in the
insurance value, and conditions about shipping and oversight, I'd certainly
never let a machine go unaccompanied. That could work for a single episode
shot, but not if they wanted to keep it for multiple days/weeks shooting.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:54 PM ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:

> I have a very nice M15 in central coastal NJ, about a 60 minute drive
> from Manhattan.
>
> But the only reason I'd be interested in loaning it to a production
> company would be for money, and I see all sorts of potential pitfalls.
>
> I'd want an entertainment attorney to write a contract for me
> (attorney would cost about $1000) and I'd want all fees and deposits
> to be paid in advance, wire transfer, before they ever picked up the
> machine.
>
> If they wanted me to operate the machine in Manhattan for them, that's
> $500/day plus expenses.
>
> if they damaged the machine (and in the contract determination of that
> would be at my sole discretion) then they can keep it, but they would
> forfeit a substantial amount of money (I'm thinking $3000).
>
> I suspect they would never agree to all that.
>
> Paul, ad7i
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:48 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > To those who are new here? we?ve heard plenty of tales of destroyed
> machines. Jack Hart had a very rare model 28ASR that was destroyed (he
> never shared that publicly) and others have publicly shared similar stories.
> >
> > If you decide to go after this, make sure YOU go with the machine and
> have some kind of supervisory rights (hard to get)
> >
> > Paul
> > W2TTY
> >
> > ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> > ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> > AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> > EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?The AWA recently received the following request:
> >
> > **************************
> > *Name*
> > jose pavon
> >
> > *Email*
> > pavon.jose at gmail.com
> >
> > *Comment or Message*
> > Hello There,
> > My name is Jose Pavon, the Prop Master on a television show based in New
> York titled the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We are currently on our 5th season
> and we are looking for a vintage teletype machine for one of our sets, I
> was hoping that maybe you guys can help us source one or guide us in the
> right direction as far as what would be ideal equipment that would work in
> our scene. Please let me know if there is a good number where you might be
> reached.
> > thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************************
> > I spoke to Jose and they are looking for a machine for a TV Studio set
> in 1960.  They would like to lease or buy a machine.  I offered to sell
> them a M28 we have that is without a printer for $100, that I thought would
> be good for a prop.  But Jose would like something that works and
> apparently acts like a real machine (spitting out paper).
> >
> > The AWA Museum does not have a working M28 we want to get rid of and I
> told him that having the machine operational would be more complicated and
> they could just fake the printing. But he came back to me this AM saying
> they would really like something operational and could I help him find a
> working machine. So I told him I'd list it here on Greenkeys.
> >
> > So, anyone have a working M15 or M28 they would like to lease out or
> sell to Jose?
> >
> > (Warning - there have been some horror stories of people who leased out
> equipment to movie or TV production companies and when they got their
> machine back, it was pretty beaten up. So selling a unit would be the best
> way to go and then they don't have to pay to send it back.)
> >
> > If you have something to offer Jose, please email him directly at
> pavon.jose at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks & 73,
> >
> > Duncan
> > K2OEQ
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 13:35:08 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:35:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
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 I never heard of this show so I searched it on youtube.Not what I expected the 1940s to look like. Guess grandmother lied to me. LMAO
-Steve
    On Thursday, November 18, 2021, 01:23:01 PM EST, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 My wife loves the Mrs. Maisel TV series and if I had a M15 I'm sure she'd be loading it into the car as I type...(I presume a Model 15 given the era and probability they want a news feed machine)
I recall that Don House had a good experience with his machine on a movie set. He shepherded it on set and operated in costume IIRC.
My friend Brian KN4R loaned several of his very rare early PanAm receivers for a TV series about PanAm - again he watched over the gear? on set and had a great time.
My little company's 3D crime scene scanner was in an episode of CSI some years ago - a couple of our guys operated it on set and all went well - and they had a great adventure.

I have also heard the horror tales of machines that went on loan and were unaccompanied (don't know if that was the case with Jack).
My impression is that the prop manager has a standard form, you put in the insurance value, and conditions about shipping and oversight, I'd certainly never let a machine go unaccompanied. That could work for a single episode shot, but not if they wanted to keep it for multiple days/weeks shooting.
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:54 PM ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:

I have a very nice M15 in central coastal NJ, about a 60 minute drive
from Manhattan.

But the only reason I'd be interested in loaning it to a production
company would be for money, and I see all sorts of potential pitfalls.

I'd want an entertainment attorney to write a contract for me
(attorney would cost about $1000) and I'd want all fees and deposits
to be paid in advance, wire transfer, before they ever picked up the
machine.

If they wanted me to operate the machine in Manhattan for them, that's
$500/day plus expenses.

if they damaged the machine (and in the contract determination of that
would be at my sole discretion) then they can keep it, but they would
forfeit a substantial amount of money (I'm thinking $3000).

I suspect they would never agree to all that.

Paul, ad7i

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:48 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> To those who are new here? we?ve heard plenty of tales of destroyed machines. Jack Hart had a very rare model 28ASR that was destroyed (he never shared that publicly) and others have publicly shared similar stories.
>
> If you decide to go after this, make sure YOU go with the machine and have some kind of supervisory rights (hard to get)
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
>
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> ?The AWA recently received the following request:
>
> **************************
> *Name*
> jose pavon
>
> *Email*
> pavon.jose at gmail.com
>
> *Comment or Message*
> Hello There,
> My name is Jose Pavon, the Prop Master on a television show based in New York titled the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We are currently on our 5th season and we are looking for a vintage teletype machine for one of our sets, I was hoping that maybe you guys can help us source one or guide us in the right direction as far as what would be ideal equipment that would work in our scene. Please let me know if there is a good number where you might be reached.
> thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************************
> I spoke to Jose and they are looking for a machine for a TV Studio set in 1960.? They would like to lease or buy a machine.? I offered to sell them a M28 we have that is without a printer for $100, that I thought would be good for a prop.? But Jose would like something that works and apparently acts like a real machine (spitting out paper).
>
> The AWA Museum does not have a working M28 we want to get rid of and I told him that having the machine operational would be more complicated and they could just fake the printing. But he came back to me this AM saying they would really like something operational and could I help him find a working machine. So I told him I'd list it here on Greenkeys.
>
> So, anyone have a working M15 or M28 they would like to lease out or sell to Jose?
>
> (Warning - there have been some horror stories of people who leased out equipment to movie or TV production companies and when they got their machine back, it was pretty beaten up. So selling a unit would be the best way to go and then they don't have to pay to send it back.)
>
> If you have something to offer Jose, please email him directly at pavon.jose at gmail.com
>
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
>
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 13:37:16 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:37:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Final Problem on my Model 15
Message-ID: <CAJK8692UkxaADLEfy_hwosGzNhWSxeL+Y2TSVHTm3PDmqR-bmA@mail.gmail.com>

My 15 is up and running - except for an uneven baseline. Is there an easier
way to correct this short of unsoldering the type slugs and trying to move
them? That sounds pretty trial-and-error to me.

As you can see the "Q" and "G" are a little high and the "S" is very high."
The "B" is a little low and the "Z" is so low it looks like a "7".


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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 14:28:29 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:28:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Final Problem on my Model 15
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 Since you have the exact same sentence on each line it is hard to tell if it is thecharacter being typed or the column being typed into that is causing the problem.I suspect it is the?column.Check for dirt on the rail the type basket rides on.Type something different on each line to test my theory.
-Steve

    On Thursday, November 18, 2021, 01:38:03 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 My 15 is up and running - except for an uneven baseline. Is there an easier way to correct this short of unsoldering the type slugs and trying to move them? That sounds pretty trial-and-error to me.
As you can see the "Q" and "G" are a little high and the "S" is very high." The "B" is a little low and the "Z" is so low it looks like a "7".

Tom?? N3CRK
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From til128 at juno.com  Thu Nov 18 15:43:06 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:43:06 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
Message-ID: <20211118.154306.11313.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

I whole hearty agree with Paul. I saw the condition Jack's machine came back in, and that was after I (stupidly) agreed to loan a machine to a production company in Manhattan. Any $$ you get will go directly to Mr. RTTY for replacement parts - if he has them. Be vary careful what you wish for!! Tom WB2TTY 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:46:42 +0100

To those who are new here?&euro;? we?&euro;&trade;ve heard plenty of tales of destroyed machines. Jack Hart had a very rare model 28ASR that was destroyed (he never shared that publicly) and others have publicly shared similar stories. 
 If you decide to go after this, make sure YOU go with the machine and have some kind of supervisory rights (hard to get)

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
On Nov 18, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:

???The AWA recently received the following request:

**************************
*Name*
jose pavon

*Email*
pavon.jose at gmail.com

*Comment or Message*
Hello There,
My name is Jose Pavon, the Prop Master on a television show based in New York titled the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We are currently on our 5th season and we are looking for a vintage teletype machine for one of our sets, I was hoping that maybe you guys can help us source one or guide us in the right direction as far as what would be ideal equipment that would work in our scene. Please let me know if there is a good number where you might be reached.
thanks in advance




















**************************
I spoke to Jose and they are looking for a machine for a TV Studio set in 1960.  They would like to lease or buy a machine.  I offered to sell them a M28 we have that is without a printer for $100, that I thought would be good for a prop.  But Jose would like something that works and apparently acts like a real machine (spitting out paper).

The AWA Museum does not have a working M28 we want to get rid of and I told him that having the machine operational would be more complicated and they could just fake the printing. But he came back to me this AM saying they would really like something operational and could I help him find a working machine. So I told him I'd list it here on Greenkeys.

So, anyone have a working M15 or M28 they would like to lease out or sell to Jose?

(Warning - there have been some horror stories of people who leased out equipment to movie or TV production companies and when they got their machine back, it was pretty beaten up. So selling a unit would be the best way to go and then they don't have to pay to send it back.)

If you have something to offer Jose, please email him directly at pavon.jose at gmail.com


Thanks & 73,

Duncan
K2OEQ




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From til128 at juno.com  Thu Nov 18 15:47:34 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:47:34 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Final Problem on my Model 15
Message-ID: <20211118.154734.11313.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

Wow - looks like someone tried to "eye ball" them.TT

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Final Problem on my Model 15
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:37:16 -0500


My 15 is up and running - except for an uneven baseline. Is there an easier way to correct this short of unsoldering the type slugs and trying to move them? That sounds pretty trial-and-error to me. As you can see the "Q" and "G" are a little high and the "S" is very high." The "B" is a little low and the "Z" is so low it looks like a "7".  Tom? ?  N3CRK

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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 18 16:11:04 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:11:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
In-Reply-To: <20211118.154306.11313.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
References: <20211118.154306.11313.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111181456330.7534@Frances>

My friend James O'Neal has a daughter who works for a company that locates 
props for shows.  Some company wanted to do a TV show about the Lone 
Ranger, and wanted a period radio set to show a family listening to a 
broadcast. So his daughter contacted him and he agreed to furnish one - I 
don't know what stipulations about caring for it.  Then they also wanted a 
vintage microphone for a studio scene.  He has some of those but said they 
are extremely valuable and the only way he would supply one would be if 
they would pay him to accompany the mike and watch over it until they were 
ready to return it.  Which they agreed to, and then since they were paying 
him anyway to sit there they cast him as the announcer.  Something he had
experience doing from his youth at the home town AM radio station.

If you want to see the result google for Legends and Lies Bass Reeves.

A happier story came from my friend and Teletype retiree Bill Lill.  I
think it was PBS, and they wanted a Model 19 for some show and somehow
got in touch with Bill who had one.  Believe he said they gave the
machine a fresh paint job, and flew him and his wife to the place where
the show was being produced.  And returned it in good condition.

 	---

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 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Nov 18 16:44:26 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 14:44:26 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111181456330.7534@Frances>
References: <20211118.154306.11313.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
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Message-ID: <f2c1c8fe521a5b83409f7339936c1921.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

I think that accompanying the machine is important. Others don't know how
to handle it, don't realize how heavy it is. Also, the person accompanying
it can make it do something (like copy ITTY) instead of sitting there as a
boat anchor.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 18:08:04 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:08:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
In-Reply-To: <9efae6ff-a9e9-cf68-2065-686d6a10f8dc@earthlink.net>
References: <9efae6ff-a9e9-cf68-2065-686d6a10f8dc@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6196DCD4.17938.2C259320@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 18 Nov 2021 at 12:10, Duncan Brown wrote:

> But he came back to me this AM
> saying they would really like something operational

that would suggest they will also need a TD and 
punched tape and local loop to make it operate ... 
or at least some electronics that will send valid 
tty code on a local loop. 

w2jc 



From til128 at juno.com  Thu Nov 18 20:23:59 2021
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 01:23:59 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
Message-ID: <20211118.202359.21968.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Not necessarily. I used a loop, computer (RS232) and MMTTY to send the requested copy. TT

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Cooper" <jim.w2jc at gmail.com>
To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY needed as prop for TV show
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:08:04 -0500

On 18 Nov 2021 at 12:10, Duncan Brown wrote:

> But he came back to me this AM
> saying they would really like something operational

that would suggest they will also need a TD and 
punched tape and local loop to make it operate ... 
or at least some electronics that will send valid 
tty code on a local loop. 

w2jc 


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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 13:21:14 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:21:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] My 15 Printing ITTY
Message-ID: <CAJK8692fhgjyrshtroXXffV4QST0hhBUK6dpruUcnrxNi3meuw@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you who did not like my foxes, here is my model 15 printing
ITTY news a minute after I ran the foxes. It shows the same uneven baseline
problem.

Jerry, that jig sounds great - but I do not have one.

The 15 used to look great. All this trouble started when I replaced the
broken "S" pullbar.


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From ve3gem at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 13:24:29 2021
From: ve3gem at gmail.com (Keith Densmore)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:24:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
Message-ID: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
I have a neat little Brother ascii terminal unit which can do 110 baud.
I would like to see if I can get it to copy ITTY but I am confused on how
to do the speed and 8 bit conversion. I have a Dovetron 1000cr which will
do speed conversions but not baudot to ascii. Apparently there was a board
for this purpose called a TSD 400  but mine does not have that option.
So...has anyone been there, done that? First choice would be to do it in
software, second choice to do it in hardware.
Anyone who has an idea, please let me know. I do not have the programming
skills to do a conversion table, hopefully something like that already
exists.
Thanks for any help,
Keith
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Fri Nov 19 13:42:32 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:42:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY for TV Show
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From John at tubetestingpros.com  Fri Nov 19 14:28:50 2021
From: John at tubetestingpros.com (John)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:28:50 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>

Several of the 90's era TNCs (for packet, WEFAX, etc) would do this 
conversion.

I have used an AEA PK232 TNC to copy ITTY to ASCII. I use an ASR33 with 
the Deramp adapter card (https://deramp.com/tty_adapter.html) as the 
TNC's console, and then set the TNC to receive Baudot. THE AEA TNC has a 
routine to 'autobaud' the console port: connect the console device 
(RS232), do a 'hard reset', type a few *** until the TNC signs on.

Works like a charm - and very 'weird' to see and hear the 33 printing at 
45 Baud.? The TTY equivalent of Farnsworth Spacing. AND - you can punch 
a 1" 8-level tape at the same time, which you can then read back later 
on an ASCII machine at whatever speed it works at.? WuHu!

Cheers

John KB6SCO

Carson City

On 11/19/2021 10:24 AM, Keith Densmore wrote:
> Greetings,
> I have a neat little Brother ascii terminal unit which can do 110 baud.
> I would like to see if I can get it to copy ITTY but I am confused on 
> how to do the speed and 8 bit conversion. I have a Dovetron 1000cr 
> which will do speed conversions but not baudot to ascii. Apparently 
> there was a board for this purpose called a TSD 400? but mine does not 
> have that option.
> So...has anyone been there, done that? First choice would be to do it 
> in software, second choice to do it in hardware.
> Anyone who has an idea, please let me know. I do not have the 
> programming skills to do a conversion table, hopefully something like 
> that already exists.
> Thanks for any help,
> Keith
>

From jeffg at junknet.net  Fri Nov 19 14:48:57 2021
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:48:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>

WHOA - I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot. Crap now I'm gonna be
messing with that all night again. LOL.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:29 PM John <John at tubetestingpros.com> wrote:

> Several of the 90's era TNCs (for packet, WEFAX, etc) would do this
> conversion.
>
> I have used an AEA PK232 TNC to copy ITTY to ASCII. I use an ASR33 with
> the Deramp adapter card (https://deramp.com/tty_adapter.html) as the
> TNC's console, and then set the TNC to receive Baudot. THE AEA TNC has a
> routine to 'autobaud' the console port: connect the console device
> (RS232), do a 'hard reset', type a few *** until the TNC signs on.
>
> Works like a charm - and very 'weird' to see and hear the 33 printing at
> 45 Baud.  The TTY equivalent of Farnsworth Spacing. AND - you can punch
> a 1" 8-level tape at the same time, which you can then read back later
> on an ASCII machine at whatever speed it works at.  WuHu!
>
> Cheers
>
> John KB6SCO
>
> Carson City
>
> On 11/19/2021 10:24 AM, Keith Densmore wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > I have a neat little Brother ascii terminal unit which can do 110 baud.
> > I would like to see if I can get it to copy ITTY but I am confused on
> > how to do the speed and 8 bit conversion. I have a Dovetron 1000cr
> > which will do speed conversions but not baudot to ascii. Apparently
> > there was a board for this purpose called a TSD 400  but mine does not
> > have that option.
> > So...has anyone been there, done that? First choice would be to do it
> > in software, second choice to do it in hardware.
> > Anyone who has an idea, please let me know. I do not have the
> > programming skills to do a conversion table, hopefully something like
> > that already exists.
> > Thanks for any help,
> > Keith
> >
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From jdangus at att.net  Fri Nov 19 15:41:56 2021
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:41:56 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
	<CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4346eebb-aba6-ada3-fba5-a85a445458cb@att.net>

On 11/19/21 1:48 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot.
Bear in mind that the PK-232 does AFSK at 200 Hz shift, because they
thought that was "close enough."

-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From John at tubetestingpros.com  Fri Nov 19 15:43:31 2021
From: John at tubetestingpros.com (John)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 12:43:31 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
	<CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60058076-ff36-7e6a-4eb9-a342e4dc0c24@tubetestingpros.com>

On the PK232's console device, type BA at the prompt. Should say "Opmode 
WAS xxx? Opmode now BAudot"

Gaze lovingly at the top row of LEDs, far right one, over which It Is 
Written: BAUDOT.? Is it glowing brightly red? You're ready for adventure....

;}

If you need the manual (for the PK232MBX) I'd be pleased to send you a 
.pdf.? Has the full Operations plus schematics, board layouts, parts 
lists, hookups, etc.

Lemme know...

Cheers

John KB6SCO

Carson City

On 11/19/2021 11:48 AM, Jeff G wrote:
> WHOA - I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot. Crap now I'm gonna 
> be messing with that all night again. LOL.
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>

From ka2wft at arrl.net  Fri Nov 19 15:58:13 2021
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:58:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
Message-ID: <e666ba1c-2454-7166-cd09-c60856739632@arrl.net>

The Kantronics UTU, another 90s-era TNC, would do this.  I was first on 
mechanical RTTY using a UTU and a Model 33 with a home-grown interface 
between the 33 and UTU.  They pop up at hamfests from time to time.

Doug, KA2WFT

On 11/19/2021 2:28 PM, John wrote:
> Several of the 90's era TNCs (for packet, WEFAX, etc) would do this 
> conversion.
> 
> I have used an AEA PK232 TNC to copy ITTY to ASCII. I use an ASR33 with 
> the Deramp adapter card (https://deramp.com/tty_adapter.html) as the 
> TNC's console, and then set the TNC to receive Baudot. THE AEA TNC has a 
> routine to 'autobaud' the console port: connect the console device 
> (RS232), do a 'hard reset', type a few *** until the TNC signs on.
> 
> Works like a charm - and very 'weird' to see and hear the 33 printing at 
> 45 Baud.? The TTY equivalent of Farnsworth Spacing. AND - you can punch 
> a 1" 8-level tape at the same time, which you can then read back later 
> on an ASCII machine at whatever speed it works at.? WuHu!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> John KB6SCO
> 
> Carson City
> 
> On 11/19/2021 10:24 AM, Keith Densmore wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> I have a neat little Brother ascii terminal unit which can do 110 baud.
>> I would like to see if I can get it to copy ITTY but I am confused on 
>> how to do the speed and 8 bit conversion. I have a Dovetron 1000cr 
>> which will do speed conversions but not baudot to ascii. Apparently 
>> there was a board for this purpose called a TSD 400? but mine does not 
>> have that option.
>> So...has anyone been there, done that? First choice would be to do it 
>> in software, second choice to do it in hardware.
>> Anyone who has an idea, please let me know. I do not have the 
>> programming skills to do a conversion table, hopefully something like 
>> that already exists.
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Keith
>>

From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 17:05:25 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:05:25 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <4346eebb-aba6-ada3-fba5-a85a445458cb@att.net>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
	<CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4346eebb-aba6-ada3-fba5-a85a445458cb@att.net>
Message-ID: <CADo5+=Jq+BBwMcVsBeDrQh=FRJCVRr5sVYYq7=y4ez3dQ2H7uA@mail.gmail.com>

But, if you want to play around a little, it can be adjusted to 170 Hz
shift.

Bill
KE3BK

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net> wrote:

> On 11/19/21 1:48 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> > I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot.
> Bear in mind that the PK-232 does AFSK at 200 Hz shift, because they
> thought that was "close enough."
>
> --
> "I am a river to my people."
> Jeff-1.0
> WA6FWI
> www.foxsmercantile.com
>
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 19 17:28:15 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 22:28:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] My 15 Printing ITTY
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8692fhgjyrshtroXXffV4QST0hhBUK6dpruUcnrxNi3meuw@mail.gmail.com>
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 Tom,
? Try typing all letters not figs.? While it is typing watch the platen closely to see if it is drifting up and down.Looks like maybe it has some play in it.
-Steve
    On Friday, November 19, 2021, 01:22:01 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 For those of you who did not like my foxes, here is my model 15 printing ITTY news a minute after I ran the foxes. It shows the same uneven baseline problem.
Jerry, that jig sounds great - but I do not have one.
The 15 used to look great. All this trouble started when I replaced the broken "S" pullbar.


Tom?? N3CRK
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Fri Nov 19 17:29:47 2021
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:29:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CADo5+=Jq+BBwMcVsBeDrQh=FRJCVRr5sVYYq7=y4ez3dQ2H7uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
	<CAPK6Wsfcesow_JzJVAsb5SdWNtJfpXTGNAANU2GjDCW-bD8yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm assuming the answer is in the manual, but how would one adjust that?
Asking for a friend.

Even if it means modding the rom image ;-)

Jeff KC3GJX

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 5:05 PM William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com> wrote:

> But, if you want to play around a little, it can be adjusted to 170 Hz
> shift.
>
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/19/21 1:48 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>> > I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot.
>> Bear in mind that the PK-232 does AFSK at 200 Hz shift, because they
>> thought that was "close enough."
>>
>> --
>> "I am a river to my people."
>> Jeff-1.0
>> WA6FWI
>> www.foxsmercantile.com
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Fri Nov 19 17:37:00 2021
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:37:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CADo5+=Jq+BBwMcVsBeDrQh=FRJCVRr5sVYYq7=y4ez3dQ2H7uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
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Ah nevermind, I found a link that goes through the process:
https://www.qsl.net/k0bx/align.htm

Sounds though like if we're fiddling with the PK-232 locally, we may not
need the filter mod, just the shift.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 5:05 PM William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com> wrote:

> But, if you want to play around a little, it can be adjusted to 170 Hz
> shift.
>
> Bill
> KE3BK
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/19/21 1:48 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>> > I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot.
>> Bear in mind that the PK-232 does AFSK at 200 Hz shift, because they
>> thought that was "close enough."
>>
>> --
>> "I am a river to my people."
>> Jeff-1.0
>> WA6FWI
>> www.foxsmercantile.com
>>
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 17:39:25 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:39:25 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
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References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<853ab112-6e23-be9a-252d-f7530ae2173c@tubetestingpros.com>
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Here's the link. The mod works fine.

https://www.qsl.net/k0bx/align.htm

Bill
KE3BK

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:29 PM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> I'm assuming the answer is in the manual, but how would one adjust that?
> Asking for a friend.
>
> Even if it means modding the rom image ;-)
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 5:05 PM William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But, if you want to play around a little, it can be adjusted to 170 Hz
>> shift.
>>
>> Bill
>> KE3BK
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:42 PM Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/19/21 1:48 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>>> > I didn't realize the PK-232 did RTTY/Baudot.
>>> Bear in mind that the PK-232 does AFSK at 200 Hz shift, because they
>>> thought that was "close enough."
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I am a river to my people."
>>> Jeff-1.0
>>> WA6FWI
>>> www.foxsmercantile.com
>>>
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From bn.mikea at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 00:17:36 2021
From: bn.mikea at gmail.com (Mike Arrington)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 23:17:36 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] My 15 Printing ITTY
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	<1736170198.3692826.1637360895689@mail.yahoo.com>
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Based on a hunch, I took a quick look at this.  The printing that appears
low (Z side) is on the left side of the basket.  The printing that appears
high (S side) is on the right side of the basket.  Note that the Z and "
are way low and S is way high.

[image: 2021-11-19 23_04_29-Model 15 Type Layout.odt - LibreOffice
Writer.png]

You didn't happen to move the type bar guide did you?  If it's shifted
slightly to the right, I believe the printing would look as you see it.

I've only been working on my Model 15 for a couple of years and am far from
being an expert.  You might want to wait and see if there are any
suggestions from the experts.

---
Mike A.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM steve bennett via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Tom,
>
>   Try typing all letters not figs.
>   While it is typing watch the platen closely to see if it is drifting up
> and down.
> Looks like maybe it has some play in it.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, 01:22:01 PM EST, Tom Hunter <
> tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> For those of you who did not like my foxes, here is my model 15 printing
> ITTY news a minute after I ran the foxes. It shows the same uneven baseline
> problem.
>
> Jerry, that jig sounds great - but I do not have one.
>
> The 15 used to look great. All this trouble started when I replaced the
> broken "S" pullbar.
>
>
> Tom   N3CRK
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 11:47:24 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:47:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] My 15 Printing ITTY
In-Reply-To: <CAMWefRt+tgEq=2HAa1T4rWqfT6qBhw08oGsVCjs=-Q9oZSUjhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8692fhgjyrshtroXXffV4QST0hhBUK6dpruUcnrxNi3meuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1736170198.3692826.1637360895689@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1336443120.3850974.1637426844628@mail.yahoo.com>

 Mike,
? Great observation. I like that theory.As another test try printing ZKBPYMULHOINETAJRDCFWGVQXS in that exact order.
-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 11:25:05 AM EST, Mike Arrington <bn.mikea at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Based on a hunch, I took a quick look at this.? The printing that appears low (Z side) is on the left side of the basket.? The printing that appears high (S side) is on the right side of the basket.? Note that the Z and " are way low and S is way high.



You didn't happen to move the type bar guide did you?? If it's shifted slightly to the right, I believe the printing would look as you see it.
I've only been working on my Model 15 for a couple of years and am far from being an expert.? You might want to wait and see if there are any suggestions from the experts.
---Mike A.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM steve bennett via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

 Tom,
? Try typing all letters not figs.? While it is typing watch the platen closely to see if it is drifting up and down.Looks like maybe it has some play in it.
-Steve
    On Friday, November 19, 2021, 01:22:01 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 For those of you who did not like my foxes, here is my model 15 printing ITTY news a minute after I ran the foxes. It shows the same uneven baseline problem.
Jerry, that jig sounds great - but I do not have one.
The 15 used to look great. All this trouble started when I replaced the broken "S" pullbar.


Tom?? N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 14:12:24 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 14:12:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 uneven baseline fixed
Message-ID: <CAJK8691xpVa7WrsaTs6c-qRXznYdon=7=NcURC3z2HeugFGG1w@mail.gmail.com>

Mike Arrington got it right! I wish I could give him a prize. All I can
give him is my thanks.

It was the typebar guide. I could not find directions to replace a pullbar
so I had to figure it out myself. The best I could do was remove the
guide/ribbon oscillator so I could hyper-extend the "S" typebar to remove
the  broken pullbar and slip a good one in. It took some trial and error to
get the teeth meshed right so when the "S" typebar was on the rest the
pullbar lined up with the others.

I put at all back together and that is when my uneven baseline started.
The guide adjustment turned out to be super-critical. Once I got the
baseline straightened out today, I had to do some gentle typebar bending so
none of them would stick.

By the way my "Z" is lined up but is still printing light on the bottom.
I am wondering if the type slug is worn. Except for that minor problem, the
15 looks great!

I have a parts carriage. I could take the "Z" from that. Where can I find
instructions for replacing a typebar correctly?

Thank you Mike. There are so, so many things to learn about fixing
Teletypes. I learned a new one today.


Tom N3CRK
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 15:39:08 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 uneven baseline fixed
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 "Where can I find instructions for replacing a typebar correctly?"
What part of the process are you unsure about?You know how to get the type basket out and of the rails?I had all my type bars out. I took pictures.No need to remove that curved bar they pivot on but if you do it is held in by set screws.To remove the type bars without taking out the curved bar just remove the guide that the ink ribbonruns through and it will allow the type bar to come forward far enough to come out.I also had to remove the bracket that holds the rubber backstop that the type bars rest against.Yes getting the type bars to mesh with the draw bars is a little tricky but after doing a couple it gets easier.If it is off a notch in one direction or the other you will know.If you remove those set screws that hold the curved bar be careful.Mine were mushroomed out on the ends and when I removed them they in turn deformed the slotson either side and caused the adjacent?type bars to stick.Best just to leave that curved bar alone unless there is no other choice.
-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 02:12:50 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
| 
| Mike Arrington got it right! I wish I could give him a prize. All I can give him is my thanks.
It was the typebar guide. I could not find directions to replace a pullbar so I had to figure it out myself. The best I could do was remove the guide/ribbon oscillator so I could hyper-extend the "S" typebar to remove the? broken pullbar and slip a good one in. It took some trial and error to get the teeth meshed right so when the "S" typebar was on the rest the pullbar lined up with the others. 

I put at all back together and that is when my uneven baseline started.The guide adjustment turned out to be super-critical. Once I got the baseline straightened out today, I had to do some gentle typebar bending so none of them would stick.
By the way my "Z" is lined up but is still printing light on the bottom. 
I am wondering if the type slug is worn. Except for that minor problem, the 15 looks great!
 I have a parts carriage.I could take the "Z" from that. Where can I find instructions for replacing a typebar correctly?

Thank you Mike. There are so, so many things to learn about fixing Teletypes. I learned a new one today.

Tom N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 18:21:39 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:21:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15
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raleigh_ranger,

I am trying to avoid taking off the typebar guide/ribbon oscillator. That
is what git me into so much trouble when I changed the pullbar. I will live
with the poor "Z" before I go through that mess again.


Tom   N3CRK
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 18:31:31 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 23:31:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15
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 Tom,
Maybe I misunderstood your question.You wanted to know the correct way to replace a type bar?But you don't want to take the machine apart?OK. I'm confused. Sorry I couldn't help. Carry on.
-Steve
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raleigh_ranger,
I am trying to avoid taking off the typebar guide/ribbon oscillator. That is what git me into so much trouble when I changed the pullbar. I will live with the poor "Z" before I go through that mess again.

Tom?? N3CRK


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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Nov 20 19:44:31 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 14:44:31 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15
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Darn, I was waiting for the Penn & Teller solution. 

 I guess sometimes there's just no short cut. Of course some times a before picture is nice.  Some times a magic marker (the sharper the tip the better) can make an outline around a part to help get it close to the original  position when reassembling.  But most of the time I think of those things too late.


John, W9DDD


> On Nov 20, 2021, at 1:31 PM, steve bennett via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Maybe I misunderstood your question.
> You wanted to know the correct way to replace a type bar?
> But you don't want to take the machine apart?
> OK. I'm confused. Sorry I couldn't help. Carry on.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 06:22:08 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> raleigh_ranger,
> 
> I am trying to avoid taking off the typebar guide/ribbon oscillator. That is what git me into so much trouble when I changed the pullbar. I will live with the poor "Z" before I go through that mess again.
> 
> 
> Tom   N3CRK
> 
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 20:13:54 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 19:13:54 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key? 

Mike

Mike

From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 20:23:28 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:23:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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 Blank key? What is a blank key?-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 08:14:26 PM EST, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key? 

Mike

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Nov 20 20:27:30 2021
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:27:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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A key that cycles the printing mechanism but doesn't actually print a character.

WayneWB4OGM

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 Blank key? What is a blank key?-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 08:14:26 PM EST, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key? 

Mike

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From gclistr at garychatters.com  Sat Nov 20 20:37:21 2021
From: gclistr at garychatters.com (Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:37:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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It's the key on the right side of the keyboard next to "Line Feed". 
It's blank (no symbol on it).  It sends a character of all zero bits 
(blanks).

Gary

On 11/20/21 8:23 PM, steve bennett via GreenKeys wrote:
> Blank key? What is a blank key?
> -Steve
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 08:14:26 PM EST, Mike Douglas via 
> GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike

From kwlueck at swbell.net  Sat Nov 20 20:45:45 2021
From: kwlueck at swbell.net (Keith Lueck)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:45:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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 Yeah, for some reason, fractional keyboards (and probably wx symbol machines too) don't have a "del" key (that's what it was called in ASCII)? in the lower right hand corner.? I have a fractions machine and was mystified when I saw a "standard" keyboard with the "extra" key....

    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 07:37:32 PM CST, Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ <gclistr at garychatters.com> wrote:  
 
 It's the key on the right side of the keyboard next to "Line Feed". 
It's blank (no symbol on it).? It sends a character of all zero bits 
(blanks).

Gary

On 11/20/21 8:23 PM, steve bennett via GreenKeys wrote:
> Blank key? What is a blank key?
> -Steve
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 08:14:26 PM EST, Mike Douglas via 
> GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 20:23:54 2021
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:23:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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I have 2 without the blank key, both are Western Union machines.

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> How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key?
>
> Mike
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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 21:06:45 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 02:06:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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 Did Western Union machines provide an alternate method of advancing paper tape withoutadvancing the carriage? And why would anyone need to?Sorry I'm still clueless. Maybe to get the tape started feeding after putting in a new roll?I'm grasping at straws.
-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EST, Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I have 2 without the blank key, both are Western Union machines.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 8:14 PM Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key? 

Mike

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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 21:08:36 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 02:08:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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 I have one. Mine is RO with no keys at all. Guess that doesn't count tho. ;)-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 08:14:26 PM EST, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
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From gclistr at garychatters.com  Sat Nov 20 21:12:09 2021
From: gclistr at garychatters.com (Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 21:12:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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The ASCII DEL (aka RUB OUT) would be equivalent (bit wise at least) to 
Baudot LTRS.  That is, all bits are set.  So, to correct a mistyped 
character on a tape, you mechanically back it up one space, punch LTRS 
or DEL, as appropriate, then type the correct character.

The blank key, IIRC, might do a control function such as motor start. 
ASCII has an equivalent all zeros character, NULL.


Gary

On 11/20/21 8:45 PM, Keith Lueck wrote:
> Yeah, for some reason, fractional keyboards (and probably wx symbol 
> machines too) don't have a "del" key (that's what it was called in 
> ASCII)? in the lower right hand corner.? I have a fractions machine and 
> was mystified when I saw a "standard" keyboard with the "extra" key....
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 07:37:32 PM CST, Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ 
> <gclistr at garychatters.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> It's the key on the right side of the keyboard next to "Line Feed".
> It's blank (no symbol on it).? It sends a character of all zero bits
> (blanks).
> 
> Gary
> 

From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 21:24:38 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 02:24:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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 Are there plans available to simulate the function of a blank key in machines that do not have one?I still don't know what it does but now I know it exists so I have to have one.Sounds like a worthy Arduino project.I apologize it is past my bed time and I should not be typing this late.
Cheers,?-Steve
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 09:12:45 PM EST, Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ <gclistr at garychatters.com> wrote:  
 
 The ASCII DEL (aka RUB OUT) would be equivalent (bit wise at least) to 
Baudot LTRS.? That is, all bits are set.? So, to correct a mistyped 
character on a tape, you mechanically back it up one space, punch LTRS 
or DEL, as appropriate, then type the correct character.

The blank key, IIRC, might do a control function such as motor start. 
ASCII has an equivalent all zeros character, NULL.


Gary

On 11/20/21 8:45 PM, Keith Lueck wrote:
> Yeah, for some reason, fractional keyboards (and probably wx symbol 
> machines too) don't have a "del" key (that's what it was called in 
> ASCII)? in the lower right hand corner.? I have a fractions machine and 
> was mystified when I saw a "standard" keyboard with the "extra" key....
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 07:37:32 PM CST, Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ 
> <gclistr at garychatters.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> It's the key on the right side of the keyboard next to "Line Feed".
> It's blank (no symbol on it).? It sends a character of all zero bits
> (blanks).
> 
> Gary
> 
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 21:44:24 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 21:44:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Blank Key
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Two blanks on my 15 physically move the keyboard  switch to lockout
position.



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From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 21:51:21 2021
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 02:51:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Blank Key
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 This rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper.I am not even going to ask what a keyboard lockout position means.Good nite.
-Steve the clueless noob.
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 09:44:54 PM EST, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Two blanks on my 15 physically move the keyboard? switch to lockout position.


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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Nov 20 21:59:49 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 19:59:49 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Blank Key
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I have the blank key on both the model 15 keyboard (from Mr. RTTY) and the
14 typing reperf (from Nick). On machines without it, is there a slot for
the key lever to go through and cutouts in the code bars for it? That is,
is it just that the key lever and keytop were not installed?

Harold




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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Nov 20 22:09:31 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:09:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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On Sat, November 20, 2021 7:12 pm, Gary Chatters WA9ZZZ wrote:
> The ASCII DEL (aka RUB OUT) would be equivalent (bit wise at least) to
> Baudot LTRS.  That is, all bits are set.  So, to correct a mistyped
> character on a tape, you mechanically back it up one space, punch LTRS
> or DEL, as appropriate, then type the correct character.
>
> The blank key, IIRC, might do a control function such as motor start.
> ASCII has an equivalent all zeros character, NULL.
>
>
> Gary
>

I use the blank key for leader (and trailer) punched tape on the reperf.




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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Nov 20 22:16:01 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:16:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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On Sat, November 20, 2021 6:27 pm, hwhall at compuserve.com wrote:
> A key that cycles the printing mechanism but doesn't actually print a
> character.
>
> WayneWB4OGM

Also, all 5 bits are space. I suspect they made that not print anything so
that an open loop (machine "running open") would not result in a character
being typed over and over. If they wanted to get even more mechanically
complicated, they could stop on the lack of a stop bit (a space in the
stop bit position) and wait for the loop to go back to mark, then wait for
the start bit of the next character. A stop bit being space results in a
Framing Error in a UART. On a Teletype, it just never stops.

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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 22:34:29 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 21:34:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> Also, all 5 bits are space. I suspect they made that not print anything so
> that an open loop (machine "running open") would not result in a character

I believe the real reason is that time division multiplex came before
start-stop, and in TDM you need some character to send when you don't
have anything to send.  In the 21-A printer there is a little mechanism
such that if all bits are spacing the print solenoid is prevented from
whomping for that character.

In the post WW-II military time division multiplex - AN/FGC-5, AN/UGC-1
there are six bits per character transmitted, the 6th pulse used only
to show whether the other five are real characters.  Hence blank can
be treated as a real character rather than an idle character.  And in
the weather symbol type arrangement blank is actually a printing
character.

From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sat Nov 20 22:37:52 2021
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 21:37:52 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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I?m a little confused.  My blank key strikes onto the paper a blank nothing ? in other words, it?s just a blank on that type hammer that gets struck.  I saw some others here that said their blank key starts/stops the loop and other that says it locks(?)?  I?ve lost track? so my question is, what *does* a blank key do on 15s/19s when pressed?  Are some 15s/19s engineered differently when it comes to it???


> On Nov 20, 2021, at 9:16 pm, Harold Hallikainen <harold at w6iwi.org> wrote:
> 
> Also, all 5 bits are space. I suspect they made that not print anything so
> that an open loop (machine "running open") would not result in a character
> being typed over and over. If they wanted to get even more mechanically
> complicated, they could stop on the lack of a stop bit (a space in the
> stop bit position) and wait for the loop to go back to mark, then wait for
> the start bit of the next character. A stop bit being space results in a
> Framing Error in a UART. On a Teletype, it just never stops.
> 
> Harold

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Nov 20 22:38:10 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:38:10 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes on eBay
Message-ID: <F977BD8F-D4E0-4661-8AFE-5C04EBE0051C@tapr.org>

Items 224671604147 and 224671604148 are a 28 KSR and ASR.
Located in Waterford, Michigan pickup only.  Priced at $375 each OBO.

John, W9DDD


From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 23:59:02 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 22:59:02 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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For the ASCII <=> Baudot conversion aspect of the loop interface I?ve made, I need a good way to type several ASCII characters that aren?t on the Model 15 keyboard, yet are used frequently with old computers, like = +  *  <  >  ^ BS, DEL, ESC, ctrl-c, etc.  I?ve found the blank key works well to start a keyboard escape sequence and wondered how standard that solution could be (e.g., blank-E for equals, blank-P for plus, etc.).

Mike

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Mike Douglas <deramp5113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?How many of you have a model 15 without the blank key? 
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike


From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Nov 21 00:28:47 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 22:28:47 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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On Sat, November 20, 2021 9:59 pm, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys wrote:
> For the ASCII <=> Baudot conversion aspect of the loop interface I???ve
> made, I need a good way to type several ASCII characters that aren???t on
> the Model 15 keyboard, yet are used frequently with old computers, like =
> +  *  <  >  ^ BS, DEL, ESC, ctrl-c, etc.  I???ve found the blank key works
> well to start a keyboard escape sequence and wondered how standard that
> solution could be (e.g., blank-E for equals, blank-P for plus, etc.).
>
> Mike


Interesting approach. Kinda like the escape key sequences used for cursor
positioning and other functions on ASCII terminals like the Lear Siegler
ADM-1 I used many years ago.

I guess you'd have to make sure that the blank was not preceded by a blank
or the punched tape leader would cause something interesting on the first
character in a tape. Seems like this could also be done with a unique FIGS
LTRS sequence. We could have the equivalent of Baudot UTF-8 to encode
Unicode into Baudot!

Harold


From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Nov 21 00:31:54 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 22:31:54 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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On Sat, November 20, 2021 8:37 pm, E. wrote:
>
> I???m a little confused.  My blank key strikes onto the paper a blank
> nothing ??? in other words, it???s just a blank on that type hammer that
> gets struck.  I saw some others here that said their blank key
> starts/stops the loop and other that says it locks(?)?  I???ve lost
> track??? so my question is, what *does* a blank key do on 15s/19s when
> pressed?  Are some 15s/19s engineered differently when it comes to it???
>

Is that a 15? My 14 typing reperf prints something for the blank key and
advances the tape. My 15 does not have a type bar come up on the blank
key. I see the bail move forward, but it does not hook a pull bar. Also,
the carriage does not advance.

Harold
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Nov 21 00:45:17 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 22:45:17 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
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On Sat, November 20, 2021 8:34 pm, Jim Haynes wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>> Also, all 5 bits are space. I suspect they made that not print anything
>> so
>> that an open loop (machine "running open") would not result in a
>> character
>
> I believe the real reason is that time division multiplex came before
> start-stop, and in TDM you need some character to send when you don't
> have anything to send.  In the 21-A printer there is a little mechanism
> such that if all bits are spacing the print solenoid is prevented from
> whomping for that character.
>
> In the post WW-II military time division multiplex - AN/FGC-5, AN/UGC-1
> there are six bits per character transmitted, the 6th pulse used only
> to show whether the other five are real characters.  Hence blank can
> be treated as a real character rather than an idle character.  And in
> the weather symbol type arrangement blank is actually a printing
> character.
>

Doesn't the Baudot code predate time division multiplex? Or, instead of
time division multiplex, are you referring to synchronous transmission
(which, I guess is time division multiplex of the 5 bits onto one line). I
agree that without start-stop, you need something to put in the spaces
between characters if there is space, and the "blank" key is a good choice
for that.

The use of the blank as a printing character on the weather keyboard
seemed strange to me. Looking at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code, I see that FIGS-blank is the
minus sign, while LTRS blank is blank. That's pretty clever! Unless you
are in FIGS, an open loop would not print a bunch of minus signs. It's
also tricky in that the carriage needs to not advance on LTRS-blank, while
it needs to advance on FIGS-blank. But, I guess that's no worse than
getting the carriage to not advance on FIGS-S (Bell).

These are truly amazing machines!

Harold
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Nov 21 00:59:22 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 19:59:22 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  Teletypes on eBay
References: <F977BD8F-D4E0-4661-8AFE-5C04EBE0051C@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <F78C79AC-0114-4BC1-AADC-0C2CC1D28FED@tapr.org>

If you scroll down you'll see where he threatens to take them to to landfill in a few weeks.

John, W9DDD


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> 
> Items 224671604147 and 224671604148 are a 28 KSR and ASR.
> Located in Waterford, Michigan pickup only.  Priced at $375 each OBO.
> 
> John, W9DDD
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 01:04:25 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:04:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Blank Key
In-Reply-To: <150948019.1075499.1637463081650@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJK8692JSQ5drMT=n=LgzLzzFo1zrO5S4sPbGU3+ctf0nHX4=g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<150948019.1075499.1637463081650@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6199E169.13654.37EF7B6A@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 21 Nov 2021 at 2:51, steve bennett via GreenKeys wrote:

>  This rabbit hole just keeps getting
> deeper.I am not even going to ask what
> a keyboard lockout position
> means.Good nite. -Steve the clueless
> noob. 

What would you get on a reperf with an open loop? 
You would get tape with BLANK (no holes) punched. 

If the loop goes open, two blanks locks out the printer 
(and reperf?) so they don't "run open" 

w2jc 

> On Saturday, November 20, 2021,
> 09:44:54 PM EST, Tom Hunter
> <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Two blanks on my 15 physically move
> the keyboard? switch to lockout
> position. 
> 
> 
> Tom??? N3CRK 



From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 01:04:25 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:04:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
In-Reply-To: <1406487252.3928965.1637460405221@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <F0D98239-59D1-4789-9674-653396ADBE32.ref@yahoo.com>,
	<CAPs7XBSjmyV6YTETBXSsLeYekHpwRgs6uqFn1yN-goKCBi6gEg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1406487252.3928965.1637460405221@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6199E169.5458.37EF79F3@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 21 Nov 2021 at 2:06, steve bennett via GreenKeys wrote:

>  Did Western Union machines provide
> an alternate method of advancing paper
> tape withoutadvancing the carriage?
> And why would anyone need to?Sorry I'm
> still clueless. Maybe to get the
> tape started feeding after putting in
> a new roll?I'm grasping at straws. 

Blank tape (that is, tape with only the feed holes 
punched) is what you would get from the 'blank key' 
and it could be wanted for a couple of reasons ... 

to give a leader to start feeding it into a TD 
(blank tape is easier to handle than LTRS tape) 

or the operator might want to write a label 
of other code on the start of the tape, for 
routing or filing purposes. 

LTRS is what is used to delete erroneous punches, 
since all five holes are punched and nothing prints. 

w2jc 




From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 04:56:07 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:56:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes on eBay
Message-ID: <CAJK8692=XhqTzUuFBjfeCHWyPtHHAGpHAO+b+ZWMWuEjn5pjdw@mail.gmail.com>

That guy offered me the 28 ASR for $299.

A. Michigan would be a 1200 mile round trip for me.
B. I would never pay that much for a machine in "rough" condition.

 At least "Most of the keys don't work" means he has no idea what a loop
supply is.

I bought a 28 ASR for $100 - guaranteed to have original wiring. It took me
two months to get the keyboard to work after my local ex-Navy 28 repairman
gave up on it. To get it to type with an even baseline took me two years.
It took me hours to get the break key to work. Someone had cut several
wires from the base connector and hidden the cut ends, In fact all the
wiring had been badly butchered.

Then the motor went bad. (now replaced)

Next I need to trace out the wiring to get the the bell to work..

The perforator has never worked right..

No, I would never pay $299 for one in unknown condition!  $100 was too much.

I am watching both just to see if someone has more money than brains.

I bought a 28 TD in pretty rough condition from eBay for $48. If nothing
else, I can use case parts from it to finish off my own TD. If I can get
the motor to work, I will have gotten myself a deal.

I hope to dicker with him on an ROTR and two 28 KSR's. But now he doesn't
want to communicate with me - not even to set a day and time to pick up the
paid for TD.

Oh, the fun of buying Teletypes!

At least my 15 kit and two 28 KSR kits were free - for a $140 in gas and
$60 so far to Mr. RTTY.


Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 08:30:33 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 08:30:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28's in Michigan
Message-ID: <CAJK8692uLn8A76QVKFShttnw1R+A=uMd+NbuU_rSZVjyBo8XAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Joe, I know they are in Michigan. That is why I can not consider making a
deal for them. I hope you get them for both for $100. That sounds like the
right price.

I am trying to see two KSR's in Pittsburgh. They are only about 60 miles
from me. Judging from the rust on the photos of the TD I bought on eBay,
I am not expecting the KSR's to be worth much. At least I should be able to
see them and haggle from there.


Tom N3CRK
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 05:36:23 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 05:36:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes on eBay
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References: <CAJK8692=XhqTzUuFBjfeCHWyPtHHAGpHAO+b+ZWMWuEjn5pjdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,
The 28 ASR's on ebay in Michigan.....
That guy is local for me I told em when he gets bored on ebay I'll give him
$100 for the pair to keep em out of the junk heap. (that is more than
current scrap)
He had some test equipment and other items that I bought from him. Both
machines are ruff.
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From ai2q at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov 21 11:32:43 2021
From: ai2q at roadrunner.com (Radio AI2Q)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:32:43 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBTVkPTDgibP-shof9JijngyFG_AYKZjbC3OYepM0WEoow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8692=XhqTzUuFBjfeCHWyPtHHAGpHAO+b+ZWMWuEjn5pjdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPs7XBTVkPTDgibP-shof9JijngyFG_AYKZjbC3OYepM0WEoow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e37db28d-b2e8-ce77-6683-b1df11bb6892@roadrunner.com>

My Model 28 is available for p/u here in Kennebunk, Maine (southern 
Maine). Free or trade. What have you?

Vy 73, AI2Q, Alex


On 11/21/2021 5:36 AM, Joe Duszy?ski wrote:
> Tom,
> The 28 ASR's on ebay in Michigan.....
> That guy is local for me I told em when he gets bored on ebay I'll 
> give him $100 for the pair to keep em out of the junk heap. (that is 
> more than current scrap)
> He had some test equipment and other items that I bought from him. 
> Both machines are ruff.
>
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Nov 21 12:01:21 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 07:01:21 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8692=XhqTzUuFBjfeCHWyPtHHAGpHAO+b+ZWMWuEjn5pjdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8692=XhqTzUuFBjfeCHWyPtHHAGpHAO+b+ZWMWuEjn5pjdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1C63455-12A7-49B1-9C9E-872E4A4FFC52@tapr.org>

I never like to hear "it powers on".  Who knows what kind damage was done.  My finds so far have had all wires cut when removed from service.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 20, 2021, at 11:56 PM, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That guy offered me the 28 ASR for $299. 
> 
> A. Michigan would be a 1200 mile round trip for me.
> B. I would never pay that much for a machine in "rough" condition.
> 
>  At least "Most of the keys don't work" means he has no idea what a loop supply is.
> 
> I bought a 28 ASR for $100 - guaranteed to have original wiring. It took me two months to get the keyboard to work after my local ex-Navy 28 repairman gave up on it. To get it to type with an even baseline took me two years. It took me hours to get the break key to work. Someone had cut several wires from the base connector and hidden the cut ends, In fact all the wiring had been badly butchered.
> 
> Then the motor went bad. (now replaced)
> 
> Next I need to trace out the wiring to get the the bell to work..
> 
> The perforator has never worked right..
> 
> No, I would never pay $299 for one in unknown condition!  $100 was too much.
> 
> I am watching both just to see if someone has more money than brains.
> 
> I bought a 28 TD in pretty rough condition from eBay for $48. If nothing else, I can use case parts from it to finish off my own TD. If I can get the motor to work, I will have gotten myself a deal.
> 
> I hope to dicker with him on an ROTR and two 28 KSR's. But now he doesn't want to communicate with me - not even to set a day and time to pick up the paid for TD.
> 
> Oh, the fun of buying Teletypes!
> 
> At least my 15 kit and two 28 KSR kits were free - for a $140 in gas and $60 so far to Mr. RTTY.
> 
> 
> Tom   N3CRK
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From henk.gooijen at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 21 12:09:39 2021
From: henk.gooijen at hotmail.com (Henk Gooijen)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 17:09:39 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] brackets to mount a Dovetron in a 19 inch rack
Message-ID: <AM0PR06MB4193DE8D84792B676664CFB0869E9@AM0PR06MB4193.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Guys,

I do not have much knowledge of the mechanical teletype machines, so I am mainly a ?lurker?.
Recently, I acquired a Dovetron unit. I have not yet checked it out but I was wondering :
were mounting brackets available to mount the Dovetron unit in a 19 inch rack ?
If so, are drawings available so that I could replicate a set?

Thanks!
73,
Henk, PA8PDP
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sun Nov 21 12:17:12 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 10:17:12 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] brackets to mount a Dovetron in a 19 inch rack
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR06MB4193DE8D84792B676664CFB0869E9@AM0PR06MB4193.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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FWIW...Should be able to get "rack ears" online. Possibly Amazon.? Guessing your Dovetron would be 2U or 3U size ears.?Mike
-------- Original message --------From: Henk Gooijen <henk.gooijen at hotmail.com> Date: 11/21/21  10:10 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: "GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] brackets to mount a Dovetron in a 19 inch rack 

Hi Guys,
?
I do not have much knowledge of the mechanical teletype machines, so I am mainly a ?lurker?.
Recently, I acquired a Dovetron unit. I have not yet checked it out but I was wondering :
were mounting brackets available to mount the Dovetron unit in a 19 inch rack ?
If so, are drawings available so that I could replicate a set?
?
Thanks!
73,
Henk, PA8PDP



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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 21 12:28:22 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:28:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
In-Reply-To: <1bf5ff5a0d813d6c2bb0a8e09fad295d.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <F0D98239-59D1-4789-9674-653396ADBE32.ref@yahoo.com>
	<F0D98239-59D1-4789-9674-653396ADBE32@yahoo.com>
	<1190120287.3916771.1637457808240@mail.yahoo.com>
	<110436921.2427501.1637458050654@mail.yahoo.com> 
	<8128ec0e55656eb6c39b18f3a823aef0.squirrel@kiwi.hallikainen.org>
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>
> Doesn't the Baudot code predate time division multiplex? Or, instead of
> time division multiplex, are you referring to synchronous transmission
> (which, I guess is time division multiplex of the 5 bits onto one line). I
> agree that without start-stop, you need something to put in the spaces
> between characters if there is space, and the "blank" key is a good choice
> for that.

The original Baudot system was four channel synchronous time division 
multiplex, which was high technology for its day.  And they needed a
synchronous or multiplex blank character when there was no traffic
character available to send at the time one was required.  The code we
currently use is actually Murray's, but we tend to call it Baudot in
honor of the original inventor.  Murray just made some improvements and
used a different code but kept the concept of 5 bits per character.
(and a ltrs/figs shift to get more characters)

And Western Union used time-division multiplex into the 1950s or so.

It was Howard Krum's invention of start-stop synchronization that made
a non-synchronous teleprinter operation possible.  This got around the
high technology of keeping mechanical distributors running in sync,
which was only practical between offices where there were maintenance
people on hand at both ends.

>
> The use of the blank as a printing character on the weather keyboard
> seemed strange to me. Looking at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code, I see that FIGS-blank is the
> minus sign, while LTRS blank is blank. That's pretty clever! Unless you

I guess they just needed more characters than they could get with just
two cases and so chose blank in figs case as a way to get one more.  But
that precludes use of blank as the synchronous idle character.  Note that
ASCII has a character devoted to that purpose.  In fact it has a whole 
bunch of characters reserved for control purposes.  Which was more or less
unnecessary.

IBM confronted the problem of wanting to send pure binary data over a 
link, and pure binary would of course include all those control 
characters.  Their solution, embodied in what was called Binary 
Synchronous Communication, was to designate a single character as
DLE - data link escape.  When sending pure binary data if a DLE occurred
in the data it would be transmitted as DLE DLE.  The receiver would
recognize this and discard one of the DLE characters.  For other control
characters they were sent as DLE followed by the control character,
and the receiver would recognize a single DLE as a prefix for a control
character.  Of course you just about have to have a computer to do all
this recognition and substitution.


From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Nov 21 13:20:48 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:20:48 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 without blank key
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111211114150.1936@Frances>
References: <F0D98239-59D1-4789-9674-653396ADBE32.ref@yahoo.com>
	<F0D98239-59D1-4789-9674-653396ADBE32@yahoo.com>
	<1190120287.3916771.1637457808240@mail.yahoo.com>
	<110436921.2427501.1637458050654@mail.yahoo.com>
	<8128ec0e55656eb6c39b18f3a823aef0.squirrel@kiwi.hallikainen.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111202129140.10594@Frances>
	<1bf5ff5a0d813d6c2bb0a8e09fad295d.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111211114150.1936@Frances>
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On Sun, November 21, 2021 10:28 am, Jim Haynes wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't the Baudot code predate time division multiplex? Or, instead of
>> time division multiplex, are you referring to synchronous transmission
>> (which, I guess is time division multiplex of the 5 bits onto one line).
>> I
>> agree that without start-stop, you need something to put in the spaces
>> between characters if there is space, and the "blank" key is a good
>> choice
>> for that.
>
> The original Baudot system was four channel synchronous time division
> multiplex, which was high technology for its day.  And they needed a
> synchronous or multiplex blank character when there was no traffic
> character available to send at the time one was required.  The code we
> currently use is actually Murray's, but we tend to call it Baudot in
> honor of the original inventor.  Murray just made some improvements and
> used a different code but kept the concept of 5 bits per character.
> (and a ltrs/figs shift to get more characters)
>
> And Western Union used time-division multiplex into the 1950s or so.
>
> It was Howard Krum's invention of start-stop synchronization that made
> a non-synchronous teleprinter operation possible.  This got around the
> high technology of keeping mechanical distributors running in sync,
> which was only practical between offices where there were maintenance
> people on hand at both ends.
>
>>
>> The use of the blank as a printing character on the weather keyboard
>> seemed strange to me. Looking at
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code, I see that FIGS-blank is the
>> minus sign, while LTRS blank is blank. That's pretty clever! Unless you
>
> I guess they just needed more characters than they could get with just
> two cases and so chose blank in figs case as a way to get one more.  But
> that precludes use of blank as the synchronous idle character.  Note that
> ASCII has a character devoted to that purpose.  In fact it has a whole
> bunch of characters reserved for control purposes.  Which was more or less
> unnecessary.
>
> IBM confronted the problem of wanting to send pure binary data over a
> link, and pure binary would of course include all those control
> characters.  Their solution, embodied in what was called Binary
> Synchronous Communication, was to designate a single character as
> DLE - data link escape.  When sending pure binary data if a DLE occurred
> in the data it would be transmitted as DLE DLE.  The receiver would
> recognize this and discard one of the DLE characters.  For other control
> characters they were sent as DLE followed by the control character,
> and the receiver would recognize a single DLE as a prefix for a control
> character.  Of course you just about have to have a computer to do all
> this recognition and substitution.
>

Thanks for all the info! Pretty amazing stuff. The DLE concept is
interesting. Hayes modems did something similar with +++ sent very quickly
dropping you out of transparent data mode to command mode. Also, years ago
I did a run length encoding system for sending images over SPI to a
display. A code of 0x01 would be followed by a count of how many times to
repeat the previous pixel value. A sequence of 0x01 0x01 would actually
set the pixel to 0x01. This worked well since it was rare to set a pixel
to 0x01 (we put an RGB value into the 8 bit byte).

I really appreciate you knowledge of the history of all this.

Harold

-- 
https://w6iwi.org

From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 15:22:57 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:22:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetron
Message-ID: <CAJK8690SNxhHTwYqgXU1enU1DKMUpNtUzVPmwx1WPy6D1eg76g@mail.gmail.com>

The Dovetrons are two rack units which is 3 1/2 inches high.

I have two rack mounted ones. A military unit monitoring the receiver on my
RTTY repeater. I use a polar relay on one of the polar outputs to key a 60
mil loop. The other, civilian one, monitors ITTY news 24/7 has its own loop
supply and is available for testing Teletypes at any of three locations
around here.

I would love to have one more civilian Dovetron for ITTY autostart. I pull
both ITTY streams from one laptop computer that sits in a corner and runs
24/7.


Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 15:38:23 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:38:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetrons
Message-ID: <CAJK8693nkjkYY-=j95Sh5Jpah0v98agneax=foYg+STJ+W70eg@mail.gmail.com>

One more comment - Dovetrons are so unstable the mark and space tuning
needs to be checked every week or so. I bought a dual function generator
That always sits on 2125 and 2295 sine waves which can be switched or
patched into either Dovetron. You cannot tune them on, for example, ITTY.
Every time you will end up with both filters on the same frequency.

The space pot on my civilian unit is dirty. I need to pull it out of the
rack and clean the pot one of these days.


Tom   N3CRK
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 21 16:13:56 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:13:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dovetrons
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8693nkjkYY-=j95Sh5Jpah0v98agneax=foYg+STJ+W70eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8693nkjkYY-=j95Sh5Jpah0v98agneax=foYg+STJ+W70eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111211507580.4552@Frances>

Speaking of which, a reminder that I found a manufacturing error in my
Dovetron which considerably worsened performance.  So if you haven't
seen my note on the problem ask for it or ask me to resend it to the
group.  Oh, it's short I'll just append it here and you can ignore it if
it doesn't apply to you.

The note is:  If you have the Binary Bit Processor BBP-100 Mark II as 
shown on drawing 75349 then inspect the bottom side of the PC board to see 
if there is an extraneous trace connecting the top ends of R21 and R22. 
By top ends I mean the ends that are on top if you hold the drawing 
vertically so it reads right side up.  The bottom ends are supposed to be 
connected together and to pin 6 of U11. The top ends are not supposed to 
be connected together.  If they are the threshold voltage will stay at
0 volts so the threshold correction circuit is inoperative, so cut the 
trace.

Then look at resistors R24 and R25.  These are supposed to be 10K
resistors.  You may find they are 100K, because 1% resistors have
an extra digit in the value.  If the colors are brown-black-black-orange
you have 100K resistors and the unit will hardly work at all after the
extraneous PC trace is cut.  Replace with 10K resistors, and they
probably don't need to be 1%.


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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 16:23:31 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:23:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model; 15 blank-blank
Message-ID: <CAJK8692q7_SsYCRG_X-o0hYug6GQ+Fe8Du6yPQoLV4Jf4QB07g@mail.gmail.com>

Think about the send-receive switch on a 15: up to send and down  to lock
the keyboard by shorting it.

On my 15, two blanks in a row  will lock out the keyboard by mechanically
moving the switch down.

I have read the reasoning is that if there are several 15's in a loop and
one operator wants to send something important with being interrupted, he
will hit two blanks and lock all keyboards. Then he will quickly unlock his
and send his message. No one else can send until they manually lift their
send-receive switch.

Mine also has FIGS-H motor stop. The motor is re-started by hitting the
break switch briefly. Mine does not work. I need to study the book and
stare at the machine to figure it out some day. It is not of vital
importance to me.

Actually the KBD lockout is a nuisance. If I patch my reperf into the loop
and want to run out blank tape with blanks, I have to hold the lockout
mechanism to keep my KBD from locking. It is not enough to just hold the
switch up. The bouncing shorting contact will transmit random characters.


Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 16:48:28 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:48:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot's machines
Message-ID: <CAJK8690fygKxa0fg8L8JHDbnAcPP=Qg_mc42_ju+fTJrRLUUhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

The Baudot system (1874) was inherently time division multiplex. He used
four five-key keyboards. They were sequentially connected to the line by a
distributor. A synchronised receiving distributor separated them and sent
each to its own printer.

In 1901 Donald Murry Developed the code we use today.

The start-stop system was not invented until 1907 by C.L. Krumm and H.
Krumm and eventually Teletype Corporation was born.

Download navships 0967-255-0010 from Nick England's site. You will learn
more than you ever wanted know about Teletypes. It is fascinating reading.


Tom   N3CRK
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Nov 21 17:30:31 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:30:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot's machines
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8690fygKxa0fg8L8JHDbnAcPP=Qg_mc42_ju+fTJrRLUUhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8690fygKxa0fg8L8JHDbnAcPP=Qg_mc42_ju+fTJrRLUUhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d27b312ed32dae0189fed7fee2b464a7.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Sun, November 21, 2021 2:48 pm, Tom Hunter wrote:
> Jim,
>
> The Baudot system (1874) was inherently time division multiplex. He used
> four five-key keyboards. They were sequentially connected to the line by a
> distributor. A synchronised receiving distributor separated them and sent
> each to its own printer.
>
> In 1901 Donald Murry Developed the code we use today.
>
> The start-stop system was not invented until 1907 by C.L. Krumm and H.
> Krumm and eventually Teletype Corporation was born.
>
> Download navships 0967-255-0010 from Nick England's site. You will learn
> more than you ever wanted know about Teletypes. It is fascinating reading.
>
>
> Tom   N3CRK


Thanks! Have started reading the 200 page document at
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/Principles_of_Telegraphy.pdf .

Harold



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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 21 19:39:29 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 19:39:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot's machines
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8690fygKxa0fg8L8JHDbnAcPP=Qg_mc42_ju+fTJrRLUUhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8690fygKxa0fg8L8JHDbnAcPP=Qg_mc42_ju+fTJrRLUUhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <815da974-da8f-10d9-905e-d390f93dcb39@earthlink.net>

Thanks to Tom for the history lesson!

For extra credit, how where the multiplex distributors kept in 
synchronization? What was used for a frequency standard in the 1880s?

73
Duncan
K2OEQ

On 21-Nov-21 16:48, Tom Hunter wrote:
> Jim,
>
> The Baudot system (1874) was inherently time division multiplex. He 
> used four five-key keyboards. They were sequentially connected to the 
> line by a distributor. A synchronised receiving distributor separated 
> them and sent each to its own printer.
>
> In 1901 Donald Murry Developed the code we use today.
>
> The start-stop system was not invented until 1907 by C.L. Krumm and H. 
> Krumm and eventually Teletype Corporation was born.
>
> Download navships 0967-255-0010 from Nick England's site. You will 
> learn more than you ever wanted know about Teletypes. It is 
> fascinating reading.
>
>
> Tom?? N3CRK
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Nov 21 19:59:04 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:59:04 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot's machines
In-Reply-To: <815da974-da8f-10d9-905e-d390f93dcb39@earthlink.net>
References: <CAJK8690fygKxa0fg8L8JHDbnAcPP=Qg_mc42_ju+fTJrRLUUhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<815da974-da8f-10d9-905e-d390f93dcb39@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <73A5883D-CA3C-4955-908C-9444E35D0623@tapr.org>

I as wondering how they measured in synch?  No oscopes back then. Maybe some sort of range finder and tune for best copy?  But different test signal for each channel?

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 21, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Tom for the history lesson!
> 
> For extra credit, how where the multiplex distributors kept in synchronization? What was used for a frequency standard in the 1880s?
> 
> 73
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
>> On 21-Nov-21 16:48, Tom Hunter wrote:
>> Jim,
>> 
>> The Baudot system (1874) was inherently time division multiplex. He used four five-key keyboards. They were sequentially connected to the line by a distributor. A synchronised receiving distributor separated them and sent each to its own printer.
>> 
>> In 1901 Donald Murry Developed the code we use today.
>> 
>> The start-stop system was not invented until 1907 by C.L. Krumm and H. Krumm and eventually Teletype Corporation was born.
>> 
>> Download navships 0967-255-0010 from Nick England's site. You will learn more than you ever wanted know about Teletypes. It is fascinating reading.
>> 
>> 
>> Tom   N3CRK
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>> 
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> 
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 22 09:02:11 2021
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:02:11 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys traffic to Autostart
Message-ID: <F9702D0C-F590-49F3-B344-68BDC7E58C50@comcast.net>

The routing of greenkeys emails to the autostart channel was accidentally disabled for the past few days, perhaps as long a week. 90 emails were therefore not sent out the autostart channel.  I have fixed the problem and I chose not to send those 90 emails out. I did not want to load up any teletypes listening to autostart. 

So if you wonder why all the recent great GreenKeys traffic about model 15s, baudot, model 28s, etc did not print out on your teletype, now you know why.

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 09:42:47 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 09:42:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Blank-Blank
Message-ID: <CAJK8691fNALG6QoVBdq_QAVZwCC210437_AF6kJeGDJYvv_H8g@mail.gmail.com>

Jim Cooper,

I have had my 28 ASR for a couple years now and I am still sorting out
butchered wiring in it. Whatever idiot had it cut wires and hid the ends
and then added a power switch in neutral wire among many other messes.

I am not going to purposely butcher any wiring in my 15!


Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 09:47:25 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 09:47:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot multiplex
Message-ID: <CAJK8692SpapXSt7dnHy3jBFYmDe_4Kg0187FXPzHZbgvDy8dfw@mail.gmail.com>

Duncan Brown,

The book I recommended said there had to be an engineer at each end of the
circuit to keep the distributors synchronised. I imagine they did it by eye
and by ear.


Tom   N3CRK
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From k2dsi at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 22 11:41:07 2021
From: k2dsi at yahoo.com (Vendel Boeree)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 11:41:07 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
Message-ID: <1087756915.1088744.1637599273299@yahoo.com>

The Kantronics UTU would be a good choice to interface with a Model 33. The output is 110 0r 300 baud ASCII. I use one to copy ITTY and it works great with the Raspberry Pi Zero W running Minicom and a RS232 adapter at 300 baud. I?m thinking about looking for a Model 43 to use with the UTU if I can find one with a roll paper feed here in the NY area. Take care, Vendel/ K2DSI.


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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 12:47:42 2021
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 12:47:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC1vJYBdbJ0YOKOVTxgbA9kY922VStai86-x-bOMPGv_-nM5fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OQZJCx-qJGcd367D5wB5U2-YXO222udRZc0o0aLuwvKFA@mail.gmail.com>

You can try minimodem on Linux (say Raspberry PI) ...

$ stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 300 cs8 -cstopb -parenb
$ wget -q -O - http://internet-tty.net:8000/ITTY | mpg123 -q - &
$ minimodem --rx -M 2125 -S 2295 rtty -5 > /dev/ttyUSB0
Michael

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From ve3gem at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 13:22:48 2021
From: ve3gem at gmail.com (Keith Densmore)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 13:22:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot to ASCII
Message-ID: <CAC1vJYB8QZM=n=x=-GH1wQvpe7hcy7dfhYjiKLuPO7NumSkF9g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the replies and suggestions for doing the conversion from
rtty to ASCII. I've found a PK232 locally so I will give that a try first.
Very limited programming skills narrow my options.
Thanks again,
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 22 21:58:10 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 02:58:10 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wiring model 15 keyboard and printer in series
Message-ID: <CH2PR17MB3959FE56A719D2038ABD39F190609@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

What terminals do I wire together with a jumper or jumpers to put the keyboard into series with the printer so it prints as I type???.? I believe I have the DC loop wired correctly as per the wiring diagrams Ive seen but want to ensure I have the keyboard in series before I apply DC power... Ive already tested the AC side it seems to be working well motor runs and keyboard encodes when keys are pushed...
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Tue Nov 23 12:03:35 2021
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (ad7i)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 12:03:35 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wiring model 15 keyboard and printer in series
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR17MB3959FE56A719D2038ABD39F190609@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB3959FE56A719D2038ABD39F190609@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CANpP5D6pzKfkMYR0eEidPPmaP4rK7H96vdU=0z4BVmuc_ZWgcw@mail.gmail.com>

Chris --

In case it may be helpful to you, I've attached a PDF of a wiring
pictorial I made of my Model 15.

>From the pictorial, for my M15, I'd connect one side of the loop
supply to 45 and the other to 32.  However, as with all Teletype
wiring, your mileage may vary.

Paul, ad7i


On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 11:51 AM chris johnson
<archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What terminals do I wire together with a jumper or jumpers to put the keyboard into series with the printer so it prints as I type???.? I believe I have the DC loop wired correctly as per the wiring diagrams Ive seen but want to ensure I have the keyboard in series before I apply DC power... Ive already tested the AC side it seems to be working well motor runs and keyboard encodes when keys are pushed...
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Tue Nov 23 15:38:11 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 15:38:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] UCC-6
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From tim.griffin at enwood.ca  Tue Nov 23 18:55:59 2021
From: tim.griffin at enwood.ca (Tim Griffin)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:55:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for an Info-Tech M6000 Multi-mode Code Receiver
	MANUAL
Message-ID: <CAAnEMzS4EwFUJ0JrvHE-r+XmP_yvomWKE09sLL_qCiQSVAop0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all;

Someone out there must have a PDF of the manual for an Info-Tech M-6000
Multi-Mode Code Receiver? Any chance it could be shared? I just acquired
one of those units and would like to figure it out. I don't see any manual
out on the web, or at archive.org.

For those who have used the M-6000, are there still transmissions that can
be decoded by this unit? (I'm a novice SW-radio user at this point, and
have a small, Realistic DX-394 receiver that I hope to engage with this
unit for some fun.)

Thanks,
Tim
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From tim.griffin at enwood.ca  Tue Nov 23 20:14:46 2021
From: tim.griffin at enwood.ca (Tim Griffin)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:14:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for an Info-Tech M6000 Multi-mode Code
	Receiver MANUAL
In-Reply-To: <CAAnEMzS4EwFUJ0JrvHE-r+XmP_yvomWKE09sLL_qCiQSVAop0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAnEMzS4EwFUJ0JrvHE-r+XmP_yvomWKE09sLL_qCiQSVAop0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAnEMzQcMmb3L8uCtv6dxgVkrj=83M+ftm+TdWg-0tVD_yiSfA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Pete G, who has provided me with a copy of the manual and some
other notes.

Wonderful!
Tim


On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 6:55 PM Tim Griffin <tim.griffin at enwood.ca> wrote:

> Hi all;
>
> Someone out there must have a PDF of the manual for an Info-Tech M-6000
> Multi-Mode Code Receiver? Any chance it could be shared? I just acquired
> one of those units and would like to figure it out. I don't see any manual
> out on the web, or at archive.org.
>
> For those who have used the M-6000, are there still transmissions that can
> be decoded by this unit? (I'm a novice SW-radio user at this point, and
> have a small, Realistic DX-394 receiver that I hope to engage with this
> unit for some fun.)
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Wed Nov 24 12:00:37 2021
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:00:37 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022?
Message-ID: <CAPK6WsdzDEJsNUdOnXNyLFSseqw4xgzPxm4Ufwhn3Kb7UTb=0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know if this will happen again? I kinda wish it wasn't New Years day
though.

https://www.rttycontesting.com/lagniappe/green-keys-night/

Jeff
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Wed Nov 24 13:37:51 2021
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 10:37:51 -0800
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022?
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WsdzDEJsNUdOnXNyLFSseqw4xgzPxm4Ufwhn3Kb7UTb=0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK6WsdzDEJsNUdOnXNyLFSseqw4xgzPxm4Ufwhn3Kb7UTb=0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADo5+=JGxrz-AuDF93F_J+E=C1kJT8zouF_FkMiAwwtAByBGwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Even if the event doesn't happen, I will be at my M19 (TT-67) operating
position calling CQ.

Bill
KE3BK

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:01 AM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Anyone know if this will happen again? I kinda wish it wasn't New Years
> day though.
>
> https://www.rttycontesting.com/lagniappe/green-keys-night/
>
> Jeff
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Wed Nov 24 13:46:55 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 11:46:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022?
In-Reply-To: <CADo5+=JGxrz-AuDF93F_J+E=C1kJT8zouF_FkMiAwwtAByBGwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.171.1637779638.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

My 28 will be up and listening...Mike
-------- Original message --------From: William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com> Date: 11/24/21  11:38 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022? Even if the event doesn't happen, I will be at my M19 (TT-67) operating position calling CQ.BillKE3BKOn Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:01 AM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:Anyone know if this will happen again? I kinda wish it wasn't New Years day though.https://www.rttycontesting.com/lagniappe/green-keys-night/Jeff
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 24 18:31:31 2021
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 23:31:31 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Tape reader
Message-ID: <SN6PR03MB39976C5F0EFA44A8A1D6DEB7AF619@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hey guys,

I'm looking for a mechanical, 5-level (baudot) tape reader in any condition as long as the tape transport mechanism and the five pins are in okay shape. With or without motor, wires, housing, cover, mouse droppings, I don't care.
If the tape reader is solenoid driven, would be awesome if the spools are in good condition.

I'm willing to pay a fair amount of green plus shipping of course.

Hope somebody here is will to support my little secret project.

Thank you sooooo much
....... and happy Thanksgiving !!!!!

Nick  -  N0NCQ


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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 25 08:52:57 2021
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:52:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [Wireless-History] Jingle Bells played on a
 Teletype Corp. Model 19
In-Reply-To: <48fz.1637846162676811236.3l12@groups.io>
References: <48fz.1637846162676811236.3l12@groups.io>
Message-ID: <1eb7c404-bb95-140d-8702-07bd3b48b305@earthlink.net>

The video (below) was made with two cameras and in a couple of takes 
because I wanted to show both the outside and inside views, so there was 
some editing and the sound was dubbed in at the end. So the sound is not 
always in sync with the printer, but close enough..

Enclosed are the instructions for making your own tape.

Happy Holidays,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA??? 31J30

Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
 ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
(also chief TTY op & repairman)

www.antiquewireless.org



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[Wireless-History] Jingle Bells played on a Teletype Corp. 
Model 19 #Videos #museum
Date: 	Thu, 25 Nov 2021 05:16:02 -0800
From: 	Mark Erdle ~ AE2EA <mark.erdle at gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	Wireless-History at groups.io
To: 	Wireless-History at groups.io



Back in 1967, RTTY Journal published the code to play "Jingle Bells" on 
a teletypewriter.
In this video <https://youtu.be/pDy60HDr558> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ, gives 
a virtuoso performance on the AWA's circa 1945 military AN/FGC-8 
(Teletype Corp. Model 19) teletypewriter. Watch it here: 
https://youtu.be/pDy60HDr558 <https://youtu.be/pDy60HDr558> Enjoy, Mark
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Wed Nov 24 23:18:30 2021
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:18:30 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR issues
Message-ID: <CAE1er55dC9RHUuh5sqtb9dJC+0wYPtXQOXyQhxTM1uRU7TtK4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I recently got a second model 33. It had a modem, but it has been
removed. The system also had its on/off/local switch removed.

Is this a UCC-6 call unit based on the attached picture? Am I best off
wiring in a new switch?

The new board you can see is my RS232 adapter. The system seems to move
well, belts are good, hand rotating the shaft everything looks great,
keying looks like the keyboard is working fine, so pretty excited.

Thank you,

-Eric
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 10:27:24 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:27:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [Wireless-History] Jingle Bells played on a
 Teletype Corp. Model 19
In-Reply-To: <1eb7c404-bb95-140d-8702-07bd3b48b305@earthlink.net>
References: <48fz.1637846162676811236.3l12@groups.io>
	<1eb7c404-bb95-140d-8702-07bd3b48b305@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBQH+qoEOnnC6eKq=fi5K_WpiV5g57=ZJycJEHqDt5kwkg@mail.gmail.com>

Now to mod it so the computer can dump it to the teletype (and I need Shift
J for bell)
Wonder how it will go with 2 or 3 machines in concert???
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 12:11:01 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:11:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD Mods
Message-ID: <CAJK8690kVzCm=ffMYrymjVrZkVK2mb-V2w65mVnrmH1e2haNFQ@mail.gmail.com>

The motor in my first 28 TD needed a push to start. I added a $6.95
capacitor form eBay outboard. (Photo 1)

The cap buy-it-now was titled  "Packard PRMJ43 Motor Start Capacitor 43-53
MFD 330 VAC"
I put arrows on all my motors to show the direction of rotation for hand
cycling.

I learned that the clutch magnets can be run from 120VAC. My coils are
labeled "256" which must be wired in parallel. The second photo shows the
white and black jumpers to power the clutch magnets. I want to do the same
on my second TD but I am trying to ring out the clutch wiring with an
ohmmeter before I put 120 VAC anywhere but on the motor
(photo 2)

By the way, I use old IEC cords for 3-wire line cords. Some have European
colors. I ring them out and use them anyway.

Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 12:15:09 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:15:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butchered wiring
Message-ID: <CAJK8691Up5z1nvUV8U5rH1sMEAhpgQ8QJeHg72GUekWgFSYkkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I found this in the LESU of a 28 KSR. The original wiring is completely
gone. What was it? Can I find an original schematic of it?


Tom   N3CRK
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 13:29:17 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 13:29:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Info-Tech manuals
Message-ID: <CAB55hNc6rRW6Crmsic7GK7En=qaHE82_3v-73sDvJArVEuiqoA@mail.gmail.com>

Manuals thanks to Pete -
https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/info-tech/

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Thu Nov 25 13:37:23 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:37:23 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD Mods
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8690kVzCm=ffMYrymjVrZkVK2mb-V2w65mVnrmH1e2haNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8690kVzCm=ffMYrymjVrZkVK2mb-V2w65mVnrmH1e2haNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0C85198-BB47-4C27-9D05-D51759AEF6EF@tapr.org>

Tedds.com has sku 2020000083 which physically fits in the belly of the motor assembly.  It is electrically the next larger in capacitance, but works fine in the 1/20 HP and I think the correct size for the 1/12 HP.
The other thing is leads instead of solder lugs.  It actually has a 181xxx Teletype part number on it   .

IIRC a search on their site for the cap p/n for either the 1/20 or 1/12 HP will get an exact replacement ar 4x price.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 25, 2021, at 7:11 AM, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The motor in my first 28 TD needed a push to start. I added a $6.95 capacitor form eBay outboard. (Photo 1)
> 
> The cap buy-it-now was titled 
> "Packard PRMJ43 Motor Start Capacitor 43-53 MFD 330 VAC"
> 
> I put arrows on all my motors to show the direction of rotation for hand cycling.
> 
> I learned that the clutch magnets can be run from 120VAC. My coils are labeled "256" which must be wired in parallel. The second photo shows the white and black jumpers to power the clutch magnets. I want to do the same  on my second TD but I am trying to ring out the clutch wiring with an ohmmeter before I put 120 VAC anywhere but on the motor
> (photo 2)
> 
> By the way, I use old IEC cords for 3-wire line cords. Some have European colors. I ring them out and use them anyway.
> 
> Tom   N3CRK
> <TD Capacitor.jpg>
> <TD - Wiring.jpg>
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 14:11:59 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:11:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR issues
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er55dC9RHUuh5sqtb9dJC+0wYPtXQOXyQhxTM1uRU7TtK4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1er55dC9RHUuh5sqtb9dJC+0wYPtXQOXyQhxTM1uRU7TtK4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1874718742.722181.1637867519996@connect.xfinity.com>

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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 14:13:43 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:13:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR issues
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er55dC9RHUuh5sqtb9dJC+0wYPtXQOXyQhxTM1uRU7TtK4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1er55dC9RHUuh5sqtb9dJC+0wYPtXQOXyQhxTM1uRU7TtK4w@mail.gmail.com>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 14:16:29 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:16:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 TD Mods
In-Reply-To: <A0C85198-BB47-4C27-9D05-D51759AEF6EF@tapr.org>
References: <CAJK8690kVzCm=ffMYrymjVrZkVK2mb-V2w65mVnrmH1e2haNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0C85198-BB47-4C27-9D05-D51759AEF6EF@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNerRxTvpRP=TK4p_k_=BU4N3UTLjbFbv+cme28ouZ5BTA@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the correct link
https://www.tedss.com/181384
These are Teletype Part 181384 (88-108 uF) as used in the M33 and M32.
Also suitable as a substitute for 162072 (33-103 uF) used in 0.025 HP
miniature motor M28 mini-TD and mini-ROTR equipment (I just cut the wire
leads short and soldered to them).
While not the correct capacitor 122245 (43-48uF) used with the 1/20 HP M28
KSR, RO, TD, and reperf motor, I have had no problem using it for that -
most importantly it fits in the LMU where the original is.

I think Tom says that this capacitor did not work for the larger 1/12 HP
motor used in his 28ASR. That cap is 160299 (226 uF)

See https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/295B-7012.pdf

Happy Thanksgiving!
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:37 PM John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> Tedds.com <http://tedds.com> has sku 2020000083 which physically fits in
> the belly of the motor assembly.  It is electrically the next larger in
> capacitance, but works fine in the 1/20 HP and I think the correct size for
> the 1/12 HP.
> The other thing is leads instead of solder lugs.  It actually has a 181xxx
> Teletype part number on it   .
>
> IIRC a search on their site for the cap p/n for either the 1/20 or 1/12 HP
> will get an exact replacement ar 4x price.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 14:19:01 2021
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 13:19:01 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 ASR issues
In-Reply-To: <1874718742.722181.1637867519996@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAE1er55dC9RHUuh5sqtb9dJC+0wYPtXQOXyQhxTM1uRU7TtK4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1874718742.722181.1637867519996@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er57K0B3X71oij_H23DWwYfLcGq0no6hZptjkXmNbMR2C-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Wayne! I will send you a seperate email with the details.

No, I do not have the switch knob. Yes, you sent me a hammer a couple of
years ago I think. It is installed in my other ASR 33 with a very custom
electronics setup. I could use another one please for this guy. I think you
had sent 2 but I will likely have trouble locating the second one.

Very excited it is a UCC-6! I have an RS232 adapter that should work with
it.

-Eric



On Thu, Nov 25, 2021, 1:12 PM WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> You need a Line/Off/Local switch and the hardware that holds it in the
> pan.
>
> I can ship you one thats used with the wires cut so you can see how to
> attach your wiring and a pic of the hardware to help with that.
>
> Tell me how many wires you have and the colors.  Normally 3 as I recall.
>
> Do you have the switch knob?
>
> Have I already sent you a couple of vinyl hammers?
>
> I need your address and phone would be nice.  Also tell me if you have
> ever sent me $.  I lose track of whose on the free parts list.  If not, the
> cost will be minimal or just shipping charges.
>
> I may not have all you need but I will check tomorrow.
>
> 73,
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
>
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 17:35:18 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 17:35:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is it?
Message-ID: <CAJK8692y6xVpNYHecVkLftEFWX+FVjubEeuhtWpDu15oiePKVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Jerry,

This relay has screw terminals so it must be a 178306.

Any idea what the voltage and/or current is for the winding.

Also what would have been in the octal socket?


Tom   N3CRK
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 18:14:13 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 18:14:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Motor Capacitors
Message-ID: <CAJK86916GGVyxbbY7D=NMnvafLt9e1NzYqiax_nRp26xMgyowQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would never have tried the 43-53 MFD cap on a LMU12,, I know it is too
small. I said it works fine on a LMU3. I have them outboard on a 28 TD and
a 28 KSR.

I bought a 189-227 MFD for the LMU12 in my 28 ASR. It worked for a couple
weeks. Then I took the LMU12 from a junk ASR base and that one has been
working well in my ASR ever since.

I need to save money where I can so I have enough to buy necessary things
from Mr. RTTY.


Tom   N3CRK
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From shadoooo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 15:55:33 2021
From: shadoooo at gmail.com (shadoooo)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 20:55:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for Info-Tech M600+M610 manuals
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6875.1637848394.9846.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.6875.1637848394.9846.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <2cb94ff0-0092-4d21-923a-b0ac2d60283d@gmail.com>

Hello,
I'm searching since some years a copy of the manuals for Infotech M600 and M610,
unfortunately without luck.
The M6000 under discussion these days appears to be very similar, maybe the manual could be useful also for my M600?

Thanks
Andrea

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> ?? 1. Re: Wiring model 15 keyboard and printer in series (ad7i)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 12:03:35 -0500
> From: ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net>
> To: chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Wiring model 15 keyboard and printer in
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> Chris --
> 
> In case it may be helpful to you, I've attached a PDF of a wiring
> pictorial I made of my Model 15.
> 
>> From the pictorial, for my M15, I'd connect one side of the loop
> supply to 45 and the other to 32.? However, as with all Teletype
> wiring, your mileage may vary.
> 
> Paul, ad7i
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 11:51 AM chris johnson
> <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What terminals do I wire together with a jumper or jumpers to put the keyboard into series with the printer so it prints as I type???.? I believe I have the DC loop wired correctly as per the wiring diagrams Ive seen but want to ensure I have the keyboard in series before I apply DC power... Ive already tested the AC side it seems to be working well motor runs and keyboard encodes when keys are pushed...
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> From: Tim Griffin <tim.griffin at enwood.ca>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for an Info-Tech M6000 Multi-mode Code
> ? Receiver? MANUAL
> Message-ID:
> ? <CAAnEMzS4EwFUJ0JrvHE-r+XmP_yvomWKE09sLL_qCiQSVAop0w at mail.gmail.com>
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> Hi all;
> 
> Someone out there must have a PDF of the manual for an Info-Tech M-6000
> Multi-Mode Code Receiver? Any chance it could be shared? I just acquired
> one of those units and would like to figure it out. I don't see any manual
> out on the web, or at archive.org.
> 
> For those who have used the M-6000, are there still transmissions that can
> be decoded by this unit? (I'm a novice SW-radio user at this point, and
> have a small, Realistic DX-394 receiver that I hope to engage with this
> unit for some fun.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 20:14:46 -0500
> From: Tim Griffin <tim.griffin at enwood.ca>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Looking for an Info-Tech M6000 Multi-mode
> ? Code? Receiver MANUAL
> Message-ID:
> ? <CAAnEMzQcMmb3L8uCtv6dxgVkrj=83M+ftm+TdWg-0tVD_yiSfA at mail.gmail.com>
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> Thanks to Pete G, who has provided me with a copy of the manual and some
> other notes.
> 
> Wonderful!
> Tim
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 6:55 PM Tim Griffin <tim.griffin at enwood.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all;
>> 
>> Someone out there must have a PDF of the manual for an Info-Tech M-6000
>> Multi-Mode Code Receiver? Any chance it could be shared? I just acquired
>> one of those units and would like to figure it out. I don't see any manual
>> out on the web, or at archive.org.
>> 
>> For those who have used the M-6000, are there still transmissions that can
>> be decoded by this unit? (I'm a novice SW-radio user at this point, and
>> have a small, Realistic DX-394 receiver that I hope to engage with this
>> unit for some fun.)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:00:37 -0500
> From: Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net>
> To: "GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022?
> Message-ID:
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> Anyone know if this will happen again? I kinda wish it wasn't New Years day
> though.
> 
> https://www.rttycontesting.com/lagniappe/green-keys-night/
> 
> Jeff
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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 10:37:51 -0800
> From: William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com>
> To: Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net>
> Cc: "GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022?
> Message-ID:
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> Even if the event doesn't happen, I will be at my M19 (TT-67) operating
> position calling CQ.
> 
> Bill
> KE3BK
> 
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:01 AM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know if this will happen again? I kinda wish it wasn't New Years
>> day though.
>> 
>> https://www.rttycontesting.com/lagniappe/green-keys-night/
>> 
>> Jeff
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>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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> From: Mike <mmcauley at cox.net>
> To: William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com>, Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net>
> Cc: "GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022?
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> My 28 will be up and listening...Mike
> -------- Original message --------From: William Wuttke <wcwuttke at gmail.com> Date: 11/24/21? 11:38 AM? (GMT-07:00) To: Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys Night 2022? Even if the event doesn't happen, I will be at my M19 (TT-67) operating position calling CQ.BillKE3BKOn Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:01 AM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:Anyone know if this will happen again? I kinda wish it wasn't New Years day though.https://www.rttycontesting.com/lagniappe/green-keys-night/Jeff
> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 23:31:31 +0000
> From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
> To: "GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Tape reader
> Message-ID:
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> Hey guys,
> 
> I'm looking for a mechanical, 5-level (baudot) tape reader in any condition as long as the tape transport mechanism and the five pins are in okay shape. With or without motor, wires, housing, cover, mouse droppings, I don't care.
> If the tape reader is solenoid driven, would be awesome if the spools are in good condition.
> 
> I'm willing to pay a fair amount of green plus shipping of course.
> 
> Hope somebody here is will to support my little secret project.
> 
> Thank you sooooo much
> ....... and happy Thanksgiving !!!!!
> 
> Nick? -? N0NCQ
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:52:57 -0500
> From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [Wireless-History] Jingle Bells played on a
> ? Teletype Corp. Model 19
> Message-ID: <1eb7c404-bb95-140d-8702-07bd3b48b305 at earthlink.net>
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> The video (below) was made with two cameras and in a couple of takes
> because I wanted to show both the outside and inside views, so there was
> some editing and the sound was dubbed in at the end. So the sound is not
> always in sync with the printer, but close enough..
> 
> Enclosed are the instructions for making your own tape.
> 
> Happy Holidays,
> 
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA??? 31J30
> 
> Antique Wireless Assoc. Museum,
> ? Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
> 
> www.antiquewireless.org
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:? [Wireless-History] Jingle Bells played on a Teletype Corp.
> Model 19 #Videos #museum
> Date:?? Thu, 25 Nov 2021 05:16:02 -0800
> From:?? Mark Erdle ~ AE2EA <mark.erdle at gmail.com>
> Reply-To:?? Wireless-History at groups.io
> To:?? Wireless-History at groups.io
> 
> 
> 
> Back in 1967, RTTY Journal published the code to play "Jingle Bells" on
> a teletypewriter.
> In this video <https://youtu.be/pDy60HDr558> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ, gives
> a virtuoso performance on the AWA's circa 1945 military AN/FGC-8
> (Teletype Corp. Model 19) teletypewriter. Watch it here:
> https://youtu.be/pDy60HDr558 <https://youtu.be/pDy60HDr558> Enjoy, Mark
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 27 13:42:26 2021
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 12:42:26 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 with Holding Magnet Selector
References: <A114879F-9248-4865-B93A-A857F5753496.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A114879F-9248-4865-B93A-A857F5753496@yahoo.com>

I?m looking for someone with a working Model 15 with a holding magnet selector wired for neutral signaling (no polar relay), and also wired with independent send and receive loops (i.e., full duplex) to help me test an interface board I?m making. Thanks!

Mike

From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 14:37:55 2021
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:37:55 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Green Keys
Message-ID: <CAE1er55sS3dJQgY69F8OOZ080huJ078m3eS_2+-Ew5fmrJRzKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, attached is a picture of a TG-11 that came with a model 33 and a
model 14 typing reperforator I recently acquired.

Can anyone tell me much about the green keys on the TG-11 and model 14?
What material they are made of, where to look for replacements?

Thank you,

-Eric
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sat Nov 27 22:50:18 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 20:50:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Case on Craigslist
Message-ID: <mailman.186.1638071436.9843.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

No affiliation. Just saw this on CL and thought someone here might be interested.https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ele/d/scottsdale-vintage-teletype-card/7412881206.htmlMike
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Nov 28 17:18:25 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 12:18:25 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hawaii?
Message-ID: <AA12AA10-079D-4738-AC5A-4D5DDBB85FC2@tapr.org>

Any greenkeyers on Oahu?

John, W9DDD


From timothy.colegrove at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 17:23:41 2021
From: timothy.colegrove at gmail.com (Timothy Colegrove)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:23:41 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 32/33 ASR Units for Sale
Message-ID: <1BB9C901-BCBA-4CBC-B7DC-883F13C5E68A@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! I have a Teletype Model 32 and a 33ASR plus extra parts to sell. $300 for the lot. They look clean inside but I?m selling them AS-IS for restoration. Includes a stand (not pictured). Local pickup only in Boston, MA. 

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Nov 28 18:11:16 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 13:11:16 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] 32/33? Switch?
Message-ID: <5321000A-EE7C-4148-ABA2-C6DB294B107C@tapr.org>

Listing 254528017701  is a 197081 switch.  I don't know if that's the correct one for 32/33, but it looks like it might be.

John, W9DDD

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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sun Nov 28 18:20:24 2021
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike McAuley)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 16:20:24 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype's Connection to R&B/Pop Music
Message-ID: <F43652AE-2668-41AD-8247-8AD32E5ECA9B@cox.net>

Not sure how well known this is in the TTY community, but I found it interesting
and thought I?d pass it along? I remember this song playing on the AM radio
Top 40 stations as a kid growing up in the 60?s.  

The Essex was an American R&B vocal group formed in 1962. They are best known for their 1963 song ?Easier Said Than Done".

Founding members Walter Vickers (guitar) and Rodney Taylor (drums) were members of the United States Marine Corps stationed in Okinawa, Japan. After being transferred to Camp LeJeune in North Carolina, they enlisted fellow Marines Billy Hill (aka Billy Proctor) and Rudolph Johnson as group members. Next they added a female lead singer, Anita Humes, another Marine.

The band was signed to a recording contract <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recording_contract> in 1963 after submitting a demo <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo_(music)> to Roulette Records <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette_Records>. ?Easier Said Than Done" was written <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songwriter> by Larry Huff and William Linton. Released as the B side of their first single <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_(music)>, the song reached the top <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart-topper> of the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Hot_100> chart <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_chart>. The track sold over one million records <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record> and received a gold disc <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_recording_sales_certification> award from the R.I.A.A. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recording_Industry_Association_of_America> "Easier Said Than Done" charted at No. 41 in the UK Singles Chart <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Singles_Chart> in August 1963.

Maybe because the members of the Essex weren?t professionals, ?Easier Said Than Done? has an appealing immediacy that sets it apart from a lot of the other hits of the era. They didn?t have strings or horns or other sweetening effects. The song has a nervous rhythmic pulse that, according to Linton, was inspired by the Teletype machines in the Camp LeJeune Information Office, where he worked.

William Linton, explained: "I was working in the communication department. We had a bunch of teletype machines, and when they were all running together, they had a beat. "The band was signed to a recording contract in 1963 after submitting a demo to Roulette Records. Released as the B side of their first single, the song reached the top of the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart. The track sold over one million records and received a gold disc award from the R.I.A.A. "Easier Said Than Done" charted at No. 41 in the UK Singles Chart in August 1963.

Rudolph Johnson left the group, and the Essex became a quartet. Three months after ?Easier Said Than Done" reached No. 1 in July 1963, the group had a No. 12 hit with the follow-up song, "A Walkin' Miracle" in September 1963. On the label of this single, the group name appeared as 'The Essex Featuring Anita Humes.' "She's Got Everything", their next single, written by Jimmy Radcliffe and Oramay Diamond, was a No. 56 hit. Being Marines made it hard for the group to take advantage of their hits; for example, before long, Johnson was posted to Okinawa. Rodney Taylor was killed in 1966 in New York City during an attempted mugging. He was buried at Oak Hill Cemetery in Gary, Indiana. All of his former bandmates attended his funeral.

Humes released several solo singles for Roulette, but had no chart success. She died on May 30, 2010, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, aged 69. In the 1970s, Hill headed up a group called The Courtship.


To hear the song, click here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHB6muY-6WI

Enjoy?

Mike
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Nov 28 20:49:23 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:49:23 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] 32/33? Switch?
In-Reply-To: <FAB21D77-7D1A-4069-BE34-168F91E472F4@junknet.net>
References: <5321000A-EE7C-4148-ABA2-C6DB294B107C@tapr.org>
	<FAB21D77-7D1A-4069-BE34-168F91E472F4@junknet.net>
Message-ID: <22C16892-C89B-4376-BB83-F74CBDC90286@tapr.org>

I'd guess the other one without a part number is the 184151 DPST.   It's the only other switch I see in the UCC parts section. Of course it could used in something other than the 32/33 series and be another part number.

One has to wonder how they know it's a Teletype part if it has no marking.  Just because it looks like the others one?

The price is certainly reasonable if a person needed one.  

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
> 
> They actually have two different ones if you look at their other items.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:11 PM, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Listing 254528017701  is a 197081 switch.  I don't know if that's the correct one for 32/33, but it looks like it might be.
>> 
>> John, W9DDD
>> 
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>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Nov 29 12:36:19 2021
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:36:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] 32/33? Switch?
In-Reply-To: <22C16892-C89B-4376-BB83-F74CBDC90286@tapr.org>
References: <5321000A-EE7C-4148-ABA2-C6DB294B107C@tapr.org>
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From archangel_cpj at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 29 23:41:51 2021
From: archangel_cpj at hotmail.com (chris johnson)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 04:41:51 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for ideas
Message-ID: <CH2PR17MB3959AF32AAAB7CC69C695B4590679@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I have my model 15 working and Im using a Hal 5000 to run it and get ITTY... Id like to hook it to my weather PC and print alerts...  I was pondering is it possible to convert the warning my PC gets to the RTTY tones like ITTY uses so the Hal could feed them to the 15????

Basically the weather PC gets an alert or whatever product I choose and either executes a program or something that converts it to tones the Hal can use...

Id love a USB to teletype option but haven't found any in production currently...

Id also enjoy the possibility eventually of setting up some type of weather ITTY  kinda emulate the old weather wire feed...
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 13:57:39 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:57:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butchered Wiring
Message-ID: <CAJK8692sMoWrDz-U_h1eVzQ-GSVbOtFb7yvqt3C6eqr__qnynA@mail.gmail.com>

This what I mean by butchered wiring. I was trying to get the bell to work
in my 28 ASR. I found both wires from the stuntbox switch at position 30
cut along with many others and the ends tucked inside the large black
tubing.

I finally located the bell wires with an ohmmeter, stripped and tinned them
and spliced enough wire to reach the terminal strip. I also did the same
with the wires from the switch at position 29.

I found these cut wires fairly fast because I encountered the exact same
problem on the base connector when trying to get the break switch to work.

Question: the bell (at my best count) is at position 30. the adjacent
switch is at 29 with another function pawl visible at 28, which makes me
guess it could require two key strokes to operate 29.

Can anyone give me a clue as to what the switch at 29 is for and what code
might operate it.


Tom  N3CRK
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From jdangus at att.net  Tue Nov 30 14:29:36 2021
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:29:36 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butchered Wiring
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8692sMoWrDz-U_h1eVzQ-GSVbOtFb7yvqt3C6eqr__qnynA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54412d24-1fa5-1564-c563-44345cd4c615@att.net>

On 11/30/21 12:57 PM, Tom Hunter wrote:
> This what I mean by butchered wiring.
Every time I see things like this, I always wonder, "Why".


-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 16:00:24 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:00:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butchered Wiring
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8692sMoWrDz-U_h1eVzQ-GSVbOtFb7yvqt3C6eqr__qnynA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8692sMoWrDz-U_h1eVzQ-GSVbOtFb7yvqt3C6eqr__qnynA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 30 Nov 2021 at 13:57, Tom Hunter wrote:

> This what I mean by butchered
> wiring. I was trying to get the bell
> to work in my 28 ASR. I found both
> wires from the stuntbox switch at
> position 30 cut along with many
> others and the ends tucked inside
> the large black tubing. 

Sounds like this came from another ham, 
rather than directly from a commercial 
disposal ...  most expeditious way to turn 
off something is to cut the wires !!
 
> Question: the bell (at my best
> count) is at position 30. the
> adjacent switch is at 29 with another
> function pawl visible at 28, which
> makes me guess it could require two
> key strokes to operate 29. 

One way it might have been set up is that 
the first switch closes, and latches, on the 
FIGS code; then the second switch, in series, 
closes on either S or J (whichever bell code 
is used) completing the circuit to the bell ... 
Then they unlatch on the next character so 
the bell circuit is again open. 

> Can anyone give me a clue as to what
> the switch at 29 is for and what code
> might operate it. 

Two ways come to mind: 

1] with printer in the loop, key each character 
and see which one activates the code bar in 
that slot ... 

2] inspect the tines on the codebar in slot 29 
and see how it is coded ... that's the harder 
way, as you would need to remove the stuntbox 
to see the front tines of the codebar, most 
likely. 

w2jc



From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Nov 30 16:16:34 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 11:16:34 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butchered Wiring
In-Reply-To: <54412d24-1fa5-1564-c563-44345cd4c615@att.net>
References: <CAJK8692sMoWrDz-U_h1eVzQ-GSVbOtFb7yvqt3C6eqr__qnynA@mail.gmail.com>
	<54412d24-1fa5-1564-c563-44345cd4c615@att.net>
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You have to remember that the Internet didn't exist when most of this equipment was surplussed. (It wasn't everywhere, mostly an at work thing).  If you got drawings in the bottom of the cabinet, you were lucky. But you had to noodle out how to read Teletype flavor drawings. 

Although RTTY Journal was a good source, you'd need to have an archive since few articles covered everything. Even Irv's comprehensive article on the mouse machine appeared in something like 6 issues.

That being said I still can't justify some of the things I've seen done to machines I've seen in recent years. 

John, W9DDD


>> On Nov 30, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On 11/30/21 12:57 PM, Tom Hunter wrote:
>> This what I mean by butchered wiring.
> Every time I see things like this, I always wonder, "Why".
> 
> 
> -- 
> "I am a river to my people."
> Jeff-1.0
> WA6FWI
> www.foxsmercantile.com
> 
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From k1lky68 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 16:28:19 2021
From: k1lky68 at gmail.com (Roy Morgan)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:28:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heath HG-10 VFO with FSK modification
Message-ID: <8769495D-7D34-468B-85D1-E00C59F46752@gmail.com>

My Heath HG-10 is out of storage for restoration. It has both a small AC supply built in (good), and what appears to be a circuit to FSK modulate the oscillator (May not be useful).

As I remember, it would switch a teensy bit of of capacitance on and off in parallel with the VFO tank circuit to shift the VFO frequency. There is a 2.5 mH choke, a diode, resistors and caps. (The terminal-strip mounted thing is disconnected from the rest of the VFO.)

Can anyone point me to the details of this early FSK modification?

(I expect to do real audio FSK with the Dovetron and Kenwood 440 and 940 transceivers in SSB mode, though they do have switching level TTY inputs that would work. )

Roy Morgan
K1LKY Western Mass
K1LKY68 at gmail.com

From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 16:33:39 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:33:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] FIGS-BLANK-H
Message-ID: <CAJK86920cF5YmmUG0xxqj4nm+2LKcURP0TGD-fizO0Rw490YYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Jerry Murphy,

I had tried every key on my ASR in LTRS and in FIGS but neither 28 nor 29
would operate. I see the reason now. My ASR does not have a BLANK key.

A KSR I am still working on does, so I took the paper out of the ASR,
pulled the KSR close enough to watch the ASR stuntbox. and, sure enough,
FIGS-Blank operated function pawl 28, then an H operated 29.

I do not have the relays for motor control. I use an Idle Line Motor
control anyway. Someday I may use FIGS-BLANK-H to operate something
externally.

I thank you again.

Tom   N3CRK
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 06:02:25 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 06:02:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for ideas
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR17MB3959AF32AAAB7CC69C695B4590679@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR17MB3959AF32AAAB7CC69C695B4590679@CH2PR17MB3959.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBTVGay+QaaChOkUqy5K+-mXHmE+pLFm82ZwDgPYX7s1Xw@mail.gmail.com>

To manually create "The tones" you can paste your text from your weather
alert into MMTTY use the "TX" to send the tones via your sound card in the
computer to your RTTY box. "Glorious noise"
but it is a manual copy and paste.

A program could be written to do it automatically if the output can be
dumped to a file.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 1:33 AM chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have my model 15 working and Im using a Hal 5000 to run it and get
> ITTY... Id like to hook it to my weather PC and print alerts...  I was
> pondering is it possible to convert the warning my PC gets to the RTTY
> tones like ITTY uses so the Hal could feed them to the 15????
>
> Basically the weather PC gets an alert or whatever product I choose and
> either executes a program or something that converts it to tones the Hal
> can use...
>
> Id love a USB to teletype option but haven't found any in production
> currently...
>
> Id also enjoy the possibility eventually of setting up some type of
> weather ITTY  kinda emulate the old weather wire feed...
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Nov 30 17:25:58 2021
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 15:25:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Heath HG-10 VFO with FSK modification
In-Reply-To: <8769495D-7D34-468B-85D1-E00C59F46752@gmail.com>
References: <8769495D-7D34-468B-85D1-E00C59F46752@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f3ff6a5eb449353e584722046ba8f7.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Tue, November 30, 2021 2:28 pm, Roy Morgan wrote:
> My Heath HG-10 is out of storage for restoration. It has both a small AC
> supply built in (good), and what appears to be a circuit to FSK modulate
> the oscillator (May not be useful).
>
> As I remember, it would switch a teensy bit of of capacitance on and off
> in parallel with the VFO tank circuit to shift the VFO frequency. There is
> a 2.5 mH choke, a diode, resistors and caps. (The terminal-strip mounted
> thing is disconnected from the rest of the VFO.)
>
> Can anyone point me to the details of this early FSK modification?
>
> (I expect to do real audio FSK with the Dovetron and Kenwood 440 and 940
> transceivers in SSB mode, though they do have switching level TTY inputs
> that would work. )
>
> Roy Morgan
> K1LKY Western Mass
> K1LKY68 at gmail.com


Attached is the circuit from my 1966 handbook. I added it to a Viking
Ranger to get on RTTY in 1969 or so. The circuit in the VFO is probably
this circuit.

Harold
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Tue Nov 30 19:08:29 2021
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 19:08:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] FIGS-BLANK-H
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Tom & Group 

"Figs-Blank-H" was a sequence used by some to initiate what was called a 'Fast Break' 
change-over of operators. 

I don't have a clue as to who first used it or who first published anything about it in the 
RTTY Journal, but that sequence may have been selected due to the way many Model 
28 Printers were equipped from the factories for 'general use'. Someone may have 
taken this sequence for that reason, in addition to the fact that "Figs-Blank-H" is a 
sequence that does not occur in normal text or even 'abnormal' things involving our 
RTTY mode. 

- - - - 

Each station needed to have their Stunt Box rigged the same way. Ideally, when Station A 
initiated that sequence, (Figs-Blank-H) it would trigger a relay or maybe several, to put his 
own Transmitter off the air, and enable the Transmitter of Station B. When Station B sent this 
sequence after replying, answering questions or asking a few, then his station would go into 
Receive, and the relays, etc. on the other end would mute that Receiver and turn on the 
Transmitter. 

This sequence was commonly referred to as "Fast Break". So, if you were communicating 
with someone for the first time, you might ask (or be asked) if "Fast Break" was available? 
If so, each station would throw a switch or two and be ready for the next 'turn over'. 

During some of this time, the CW Ident was a requirement, so to be completely legal, one 
would also have to have this function as part of the "Fast Break" sequence. But, I would 
not be surprised if some stations only used CW ID a few times during a QSO that might 
have had seven or eight 'turn-overs'. I don't think that the FCC had monitoring stations 
across the country for the purpose of identifying stations who were not 'faithful' with their 
CW IDs. There were far more important issues at that time. 
- - - - 

I submitted an article to the RTTY Journal with a relay circuit that could be quite useful 
for "Fast Break, Figs-Blank-H" operation. It required a special Western Electric relay 
that had a "Make-Before-Break" contact pair as well as a more conventional Break-Before- 
Make contact pair. These relays were identified as "Wire Spring Relays" and were used 
for many switching applications in the Bell System. Somewhere, I have a photo of my 
circuit, and will identify the RTTY Journal Issue with the short article. 

I should point out that ANY relay that had a 'Make-Before-Break' contact pair would 
probably work. One nice thing about the Wire Spring Relays was that they had a very 
'low mass' in the contacts and they operated a bit faster than more conventional relays. 
Speed of operation was sometimes critical in the Bell System switching systems. 

- - - - 

This article was published after the Journal moved to California, and Dee Crumpton was 
the Editor/Publisher. (N6ELP?) So, it will be in one of the larger format issues. 

I'm going to make my way to the basement and find the article and send out a message 
with the Month, Year and Pages, etc. 

73, 

Ralph 

- - - - - - - - 

From: "Tom Hunter" <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> 
To: "greenkeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 4:33:39 PM 
Subject: [GreenKeys] FIGS-BLANK-H 

Thank you Jerry Murphy, 

I had tried every key on my ASR in LTRS and in FIGS but neither 28 nor 29 would operate. I see the reason now. My ASR does not have a BLANK key. 

A KSR I am still working on does, so I took the paper out of the ASR, pulled the KSR close enough to watch the ASR stuntbox. and, sure enough, FIGS-Blank operated function pawl 28, then an H operated 29. 

I do not have the relays for motor control. I use an Idle Line Motor control anyway. Someday I may use FIGS-BLANK-H to operate something externally. 

I thank you again. 

Tom N3CRK 

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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 19:39:32 2021
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 19:39:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Non-Butchered Wiring
Message-ID: <CAJK8693U9NWMANbj--imqLkpJ_AEpB-J6M1a16oVSpyHKQ1vbQ@mail.gmail.com>

My 2nd KSR kit looks like the case has original wiring. Here is a photo of
rhe LESU. All I am asking is for someone to point me to the wiring diagram,
I can probably take it from there.

Thanks for all the suggestions on slots 28 and 29. But I believe Jerry
Murphy had it right - Motor Control.

The H key has "STOP" above the "H" But there is no BLANK key on the ASR
Keyboard. As I said before, typing FIGS-BLANK-H on another machine caused
the function pawl at 29 to operate the switch.


Tom   N3CRK
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Nov 30 19:50:53 2021
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:50:53 -1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Non-Butchered Wiring
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8693U9NWMANbj--imqLkpJ_AEpB-J6M1a16oVSpyHKQ1vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8693U9NWMANbj--imqLkpJ_AEpB-J6M1a16oVSpyHKQ1vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67C9825F-1FC0-4FF3-A115-40BE0152F575@tapr.org>

You have a Western Union 9100 wiring cabinet.  There is an A, B, or C version.

https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/wu-dwg-01.pdf

My WU KSR had parts missing.  It took me a while to figure out what had changed.  Among other things they had disconnected the internal 120 VDC power power supply.

John, W9DDD


> On Nov 30, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My 2nd KSR kit looks like the case has original wiring. Here is a photo of rhe LESU. All I am asking is for someone to point me to the wiring diagram, I can probably take it from there.
> 
> Thanks for all the suggestions on slots 28 and 29. But I believe Jerry Murphy had it right - Motor Control.
> 
> The H key has "STOP" above the "H" But there is no BLANK key on the ASR Keyboard. As I said before, typing FIGS-BLANK-H on another machine caused the function pawl at 29 to operate the switch.
> 
> 
> Tom   N3CRK
> <KSR-LESU.JPG>
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 20:11:28 2021
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:11:28 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Non-Butchered Wiring
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8693U9NWMANbj--imqLkpJ_AEpB-J6M1a16oVSpyHKQ1vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8693U9NWMANbj--imqLkpJ_AEpB-J6M1a16oVSpyHKQ1vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 30 Nov 2021 at 19:39, Tom Hunter wrote:

> All I am asking is for someone to point me to the wiring
> diagram,

hmmm... would you send me the wiring diagram of my TD ?

or how about the radio kit I built in 1957? 

Before anyone can help you, you need to either post a 
pic of the LABEL with the LESU model number and other 
identification ... or copy it all down and post it as text. 

There are LITERALLY hundreds of wiring diagrams for 
LESUs depending on the use they were put to and/or the 
customer they were set up for. 

w2jc 



From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 20:38:53 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:38:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] punched tape specifications wanted
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeTM9wRpfqMaCx95txsW6Ops3u17aatP4caqwseztWAOA@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a drawing showing the proper spacing for holes in 5-level
(11/16") tape - distance from edge, distance between holes, hole diameter,
etc.

Why? because I am trying to get a local machinists hobby group interested
in making a 5-level punch block for a 6-level BRPE that I have...
Yes, I will measure things but it would be nice to see an official drawing.

Thanks
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Tue Nov 30 20:54:30 2021
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph Irish)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:54:30 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Switching/Relay article for "Figs-Blank-H"
Message-ID: <61336DA7-7B32-49F6-B1A8-096D7265405A@wowway.com>

GreenKeys gang:

I discovered that the switching/relay article will be found on Disc 5 of the
RTTY Journal Archives, or more to the point, in Volume 31 #6; Pages 17 and 5 .

For some strange reason, it starts on 17 and finishes on 5!

I've printed out those two pages and can scan them for transmission
if anyone is interested.

73,

Ralph - W8ROI

(My call back when I wrote the articles was  WA8GDT)


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From hughpyle at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 21:10:15 2021
From: hughpyle at gmail.com (Hugh Pyle)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:10:15 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] punched tape specifications wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeTM9wRpfqMaCx95txsW6Ops3u17aatP4caqwseztWAOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeTM9wRpfqMaCx95txsW6Ops3u17aatP4caqwseztWAOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALvn94JKYn+LYWGh--54FkqUPWjTHGztr3WDi7B4WB1My9jU-w@mail.gmail.com>

This looks like what you need:
ANSI X3.19, "Eleven-Sixteenths Inch Perforated Paper Tape for Information
Interchange".

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Eleven-sixteenths-inch-perforated-paper-tape-Gorn/3188b695307ba4e749993b344895f2175706c6e6/figure/0

There's a picture in MIL-STD-188-100 (attached) that shows three tape
widths side-by-side, including dimensions for the holes and not just the
tape.
(These are all the "Teletype-style" hole positioning.  Linotype 6-level
tape has the holes offset from the center track).


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:39 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a drawing showing the proper spacing for holes in 5-level
> (11/16") tape - distance from edge, distance between holes, hole diameter,
> etc.
>
> Why? because I am trying to get a local machinists hobby group interested
> in making a 5-level punch block for a 6-level BRPE that I have...
> Yes, I will measure things but it would be nice to see an official drawing.
>
> Thanks
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 21:19:46 2021
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:19:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] punched tape specifications wanted
In-Reply-To: <CALvn94JKYn+LYWGh--54FkqUPWjTHGztr3WDi7B4WB1My9jU-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeTM9wRpfqMaCx95txsW6Ops3u17aatP4caqwseztWAOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALvn94JKYn+LYWGh--54FkqUPWjTHGztr3WDi7B4WB1My9jU-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfuTrwQwmwUQh6hCuF+pDjHcf2ydFRz4nwnaM6Xm7Q-ew@mail.gmail.com>

Exactly what I needed! Many thanks to you and Joe for the info.
Cheers
Nick


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:10 PM Hugh Pyle <hughpyle at gmail.com> wrote:

> This looks like what you need:
> ANSI X3.19, "Eleven-Sixteenths Inch Perforated Paper Tape for Information
> Interchange".
>
>
> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Eleven-sixteenths-inch-perforated-paper-tape-Gorn/3188b695307ba4e749993b344895f2175706c6e6/figure/0
>
> There's a picture in MIL-STD-188-100 (attached) that shows three tape
> widths side-by-side, including dimensions for the holes and not just the
> tape.
> (These are all the "Teletype-style" hole positioning.  Linotype 6-level
> tape has the holes offset from the center track).
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:39 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a drawing showing the proper spacing for holes in
>> 5-level (11/16") tape - distance from edge, distance between holes, hole
>> diameter, etc.
>>
>> Why? because I am trying to get a local machinists hobby group interested
>> in making a 5-level punch block for a 6-level BRPE that I have...
>> Yes, I will measure things but it would be nice to see an official
>> drawing.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to hughpyle at gmail.com
>
> --
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Nov 30 21:24:27 2021
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:24:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Using Cricut to make paper tape
Message-ID: <CAPK6WscMbZ5TZF3E4b+vbcebG1dc2zDvLqvDSMpzQy7AstODmw@mail.gmail.com>

I was going to reply to Nick's thread, but figured this is just some
general coolness that others may find interest in too:
https://twitter.com/JohnKennedyMSFT/status/1465132165293690888?s=20

Jeff KC3GJX
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 30 22:18:53 2021
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:18:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] FIGS-BLANK-H
In-Reply-To: <1131002111.57107721.1638317309602.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
References: <CAJK86920cF5YmmUG0xxqj4nm+2LKcURP0TGD-fizO0Rw490YYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1131002111.57107721.1638317309602.JavaMail.zimbra@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2111302103020.3158@Frances>

On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, Ralph   Irish wrote:

> Tom & Group
> 
> "Figs-Blank-H" ?was a sequence used by some to initiate what was called a
> 'Fast Break'?
> change-over of operators. ?
> 
I guess I was never aware of Figs-Blank-H for the fast break function
you mention, but before that there was what we called "bellbreak" which
used the bell code to switch from transmit to receive and vice versa.
This predated the wide availability of Model 28 equipment among hams.
One reason for the choice of bell for the switch was that the bell
mechanism on Model 15s and 26s and such was powerful enough and easy to
get to so it could operate a Microswitch to control the flipflop relay.
The other reason was that bell was noisy enough for the operator to be
made aware that his transmitter had just been turned on by the station
he was in contact with.

See April 1958 issue of RTTY article by Bob Weitbrecht W6NRM (who, being
deaf, didn't gain anything by having bell be the switchover signal).
Couple of FCC comments in the Feb 1956 issue indicate that the scheme
was probably in use well before Bob's article.

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 20:46:32 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:46:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Non-Butchered Wiring
In-Reply-To: <61A6CBC0.19125.6A62D8BA@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8693U9NWMANbj--imqLkpJ_AEpB-J6M1a16oVSpyHKQ1vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<61A6CBC0.19125.6A62D8BA@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBT262NxavPABEkrsoupmWPi+J4eJ6KVTz6Q30a7eb8dWA@mail.gmail.com>

Western Union in specific had their own wiring and modifications to the
model 28 and other machines too some of the modifications are such that you
need the Western Union diagrams and maintenance handbooks.
> Jim wrote:
> There are LITERALLY hundreds of wiring diagrams for
> LESUs depending on the use they were put to and/or the
> customer they were set up for.
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 21:30:48 2021
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 21:30:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Using Cricut to make paper tape
In-Reply-To: <CAPK6WscMbZ5TZF3E4b+vbcebG1dc2zDvLqvDSMpzQy7AstODmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK6WscMbZ5TZF3E4b+vbcebG1dc2zDvLqvDSMpzQy7AstODmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBTX9nWL0vtYz7uxgA2GxKXhvEtR78fsOe2PHgwSv5SzVA@mail.gmail.com>

Very neat razor cut chad!! LOL!


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:25 PM Jeff G <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> I was going to reply to Nick's thread, but figured this is just some
> general coolness that others may find interest in too:
> https://twitter.com/JohnKennedyMSFT/status/1465132165293690888?s=20
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to joeduszynski1 at gmail.com
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