From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  1 03:17:42 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:17:42 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] i-Telex
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBR_w85U3sk6CVBmaiyyDnJzJyZrr4Z5tHtXZDeubOYbPw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am an iTelex user as well. 

ITelex runs at 50 baud (66WPM), not 45. Your 32 should be geared for that unless the previous owner swapped out for a 60WPM gear, which hams sometimes did to use it on RTTY. 

ITTY: the standard is 45baud, but more importantly uses the MIL char set. 

If you hook to the EUROPE channel in my signature below, your telex machine should receive nicely. EUROPE is a channel that runs at 50 baud and uses the ITA2 char set, which is different than MIL. The frequencies are also different, so you need to set your TU correctly for mark and space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpek2ujfGQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4risjgiX1E

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY 100: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Mar 31, 2022, at 11:54 PM, Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> So are you using the German Boxes or did you brew your own??
> I have a WU Model 28 ASR and a WU Model 19 that were both Telex machines Bell J with Answerbacks
> I'd like to hookup and play with them on the i-Telex as they are both *&%** annoying on ITTY with ' all the time. The 28 can actually switch Bell J Bell S or none.  
> The 15(19) I stick some cardboard over the bell hammer on ITTY. 
> 
> I'd also want a semi authentic "Chicago/Detroit" WU telex number.
> 
> JD
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:32 PM Russ Miller <wa3frp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> JD, 
>> 
>> I am active on i-Telex.  What questions can I answer? 
>> 
>> Russ WA3FRP
>> i-Telex 834328 WUTMPAM CHIL
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:27 PM Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Does anyone on the list play around or participate in i-Telex??
>>> 
>>> i-Telex is an internet version of the Telex network.
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 11:39:46 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:39:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Itty art address
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http://n3crk.com/

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 10:43 AM chris johnson <archangel_cpj at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Can someone post the address for rtty art I know it was discussed a few
> months ago Ive misplaced the link???
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  1 12:17:24 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 18:17:24 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  i-Telex
References: <trinity-d3b55820-4fad-4a0c-ab17-ee1acc8bb4e7-1648815437418@3c-app-gmx-bs65>
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This below comes from the expert. I-Telex can operate at all our standard speeds. I don?t think Fred can post to Greenkeys, so I am sharing below with you all what he wrote

I learn something every day!

i-Telex can be a lot of fun. I?ve had short messages back and forth (like messaging on the phone), short chats and rag chews. The length of the conversation is measured against the paper consumed, which is kind of cool. It?s like RTTY with autostart and point to point and no radio needed, no fade-outs, no interruptions.

And a completely faithful recreation of the old Telex network down to interface hardware signaling. Dial someone and have a conversation (type) or leave a message. Software defined telex!

You can even place an order for a real telegram to be mailed to a postal address.  

Paul
W2TTY

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Fred.Sonnenrein at gmx.de
> Date: April 1, 2022 at 2:17:19 PM GMT+2
> To: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Aw: Re: [GreenKeys] i-Telex
> 
> ?
> Dear all,
>  
> as i have developed the i-Telex system i shall correct something:
>  
> The interface board to the ethernet perform the serial-to-parallel conversion of the 5 bits and vice versa. So the ethernet board is generally capable of performing in any speed. To be precise, the speed must be an integer fraction of 900, so speeds of 45 baud, 50 baud, 75 baud, 100 baud and 150 baud are possible.
>  
> The current software version even allows to switch the speed between the mentioned valued depending on the actual connection.
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> Fred
>  
>  
> 
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From w1aea at myfairpoint.net  Fri Apr  1 18:28:35 2022
From: w1aea at myfairpoint.net (w1aea)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2022 18:28:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question on UGC-74A Teleprinters
Message-ID: <202204012231.231MVswI001635@mail32c26.carrierzone.com>

Does anyone on Greenkeys use a Mititary UGC-74A model??There seems to be a diffetent startup print out between? the A and B units! My unit prints all ok from a 60ma loop and terminal? but I cannot get it to transmit?Most say the A units are not usually usable because of the degraded Rubber feed rollers but I have found a good working repair for that if anyone has an A unit they would like to operate,?Thanks Jeff W1AEASent from my Galaxy Tab? A
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From djones at k6yic.com  Fri Apr  1 19:19:22 2022
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:19:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question on UGC-74A Teleprinters
In-Reply-To: <202204012231.231MVswI001635@mail32c26.carrierzone.com>
References: <202204012231.231MVswI001635@mail32c26.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <C6142250-80E8-45F9-B73C-039728E6B4E3@k6yic.com>

I have a B model and the way I have to make it transmit is to manually switch the transmitter to transmit.  There is a wire that you can connect to utilize a switch on the UGC-74 on the same plug as the loop output.  

You also must jumper the plug correctly to make it half duplex from full duplex which then when you set the switches it operates.  I will get you this later this evening. 

I would be interested in your process to fix the A model.  Many people shy away from them because of the high speed roller. 

Daniel
K6YIC 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2022, at 15:33, w1aea <w1aea at myfairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Does anyone on Greenkeys use a Mititary UGC-74A model? 
> There seems to be a diffetent startup print out between  the A and B units! My unit prints all ok from a 60ma loop and terminal  but I cannot get it to transmit?
> 
> Most say the A units are not usually usable because of the degraded Rubber feed rollers but I have found a good working repair for that if anyone has an A unit they would like to operate, 
> Thanks Jeff W1AEA
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From js at teletype.net  Fri Apr  1 20:31:30 2022
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2022 18:31:30 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question on UGC-74A Teleprinters
In-Reply-To: <C6142250-80E8-45F9-B73C-039728E6B4E3@k6yic.com>
References: <202204012231.231MVswI001635@mail32c26.carrierzone.com>
	<C6142250-80E8-45F9-B73C-039728E6B4E3@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <634a2d8c-6554-4480-8fdd-dbca9c2f3974@www.fastmail.com>

I also have a B, and to date I have not been able to get it to transmit on a current loop, though it receives without an issue. I chalked it up to a bad optoisolator on the xmit board and was going to try to swap it out or find another board, but perhaps I missed the jumper details you mentioned in the manual, or maybe they failed to mention that in the manual. I'd be interested to see whatever you have on this as well, Daniel.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Daniel Jones wrote:
> I have a B model and the way I have to make it transmit is to manually switch the transmitter to transmit.  There is a wire that you can connect to utilize a switch on the UGC-74 on the same plug as the loop output.  
> 
> You also must jumper the plug correctly to make it half duplex from full duplex which then when you set the switches it operates.  I will get you this later this evening. 
> 
> I would be interested in your process to fix the A model.  Many people shy away from them because of the high speed roller. 
> 
> Daniel
> K6YIC 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2022, at 15:33, w1aea <w1aea at myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> 
>> Does anyone on Greenkeys use a Mititary UGC-74A model? 
>> There seems to be a diffetent startup print out between  the A and B units! My unit prints all ok from a 60ma loop and terminal  but I cannot get it to transmit?
>> 
>> Most say the A units are not usually usable because of the degraded Rubber feed rollers but I have found a good working repair for that if anyone has an A unit they would like to operate, 
>> Thanks Jeff W1AEA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
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> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  1 21:11:50 2022
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 20:11:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Question on UGC-74A Teleprinters
In-Reply-To: <202204012231.231MVswI001635@mail32c26.carrierzone.com>
References: <202204012231.231MVswI001635@mail32c26.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204012010190.10183@Frances>

I have a UGC-74A but have not tried to use it.  I did get out all the
rollers that had turned to goo and replaced them with rubber hose.
And mine prints but not very legibly.  I need to make the adjustment
of print hammers to drum distance, but can't get up the enthusiasm
to do it.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 08:16:06 2022
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 08:16:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: i-Telex
In-Reply-To: <03777FDF-1B04-4FD0-91C0-BF7CDE81725E@comcast.net>
References: <trinity-d3b55820-4fad-4a0c-ab17-ee1acc8bb4e7-1648815437418@3c-app-gmx-bs65>
	<03777FDF-1B04-4FD0-91C0-BF7CDE81725E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA+H6KCkUDCE3M8_sRGg+LLLkHGDCtByzQDG3cS1+Ui9CJtzRhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks, is there a novice's guide to i-telex build/configure that is in
English that anyone ever put together ... for say an M32?

Empahsis on the word "novice" ???

cheers, Andy


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:

> This below comes from the expert. I-Telex can operate at all our standard
> speeds. I don?t think Fred can post to Greenkeys, so I am sharing below
> with you all what he wrote
>
> I learn something every day!
>
> i-Telex can be a lot of fun. I?ve had short messages back and forth (like
> messaging on the phone), short chats and rag chews. The length of the
> conversation is measured against the paper consumed, which is kind of cool.
> It?s like RTTY with autostart and point to point and no radio needed, no
> fade-outs, no interruptions.
>
> And a completely faithful recreation of the old Telex network down to
> interface hardware signaling. Dial someone and have a conversation (type)
> or leave a message. Software defined telex!
>
> You can even place an order for a real telegram to be mailed to a postal
> address.
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Fred.Sonnenrein at gmx.de
> *Date:* April 1, 2022 at 2:17:19 PM GMT+2
> *To:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
> *Subject:* *Aw: Re: [GreenKeys] i-Telex*
>
> ?
> Dear all,
>
> as i have developed the i-Telex system i shall correct something:
>
> The interface board to the ethernet perform the serial-to-parallel
> conversion of the 5 bits and vice versa. So the ethernet board is generally
> capable of performing in any speed. To be precise, the speed must be an
> integer fraction of 900, so speeds of 45 baud, 50 baud, 75 baud, 100 baud
> and 150 baud are possible.
>
> The current software version even allows to switch the speed between the
> mentioned valued depending on the actual connection.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 08:41:58 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 08:41:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: i-Telex
In-Reply-To: <CA+H6KCkUDCE3M8_sRGg+LLLkHGDCtByzQDG3cS1+Ui9CJtzRhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <trinity-d3b55820-4fad-4a0c-ab17-ee1acc8bb4e7-1648815437418@3c-app-gmx-bs65>
	<03777FDF-1B04-4FD0-91C0-BF7CDE81725E@comcast.net>
	<CA+H6KCkUDCE3M8_sRGg+LLLkHGDCtByzQDG3cS1+Ui9CJtzRhA@mail.gmail.com>
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Johannes website is in English
https://johanneskok.com/index.php/en/i-telex
He also has a terminal program that runs off the RS-232 on the "special
board"
https://johanneskok.com/index.php/en/i-telex-usb-terminal

There are also a site concerning using a Raspberry Pi
https://github.com/fablab-wue/piTelex

There is also a standalone windows program
https://github.com/detlefgerhardt/WinTlx

I'm sure there are others. this is what I've seen so far.
You can install google chrome and use the page translate feature in chrome
other browsers might offer that too.
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sat Apr  2 09:01:59 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 15:01:59 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: i-Telex
Message-ID: <7942B95A-24BB-468E-8025-3921B9E68D8D@comcast.net>

Russ, WA3FRP, sent a helpful document a day or two ago. 

There is also an English WIKI started. I?ll see if I can find the link. 

Paul
W2TTY



> On Apr 2, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Andy KN4UCL <kn4ucl at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hey folks, is there a novice's guide to i-telex build/configure that is in English that anyone ever put together ... for say an M32?  
> 
> Empahsis on the word "novice" ???
> 
> cheers, Andy
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> This below comes from the expert. I-Telex can operate at all our standard speeds. I don?t think Fred can post to Greenkeys, so I am sharing below with you all what he wrote
>> 
>> I learn something every day!
>> 
>> i-Telex can be a lot of fun. I?ve had short messages back and forth (like messaging on the phone), short chats and rag chews. The length of the conversation is measured against the paper consumed, which is kind of cool. It?s like RTTY with autostart and point to point and no radio needed, no fade-outs, no interruptions.
>> 
>> And a completely faithful recreation of the old Telex network down to interface hardware signaling. Dial someone and have a conversation (type) or leave a message. Software defined telex!
>> 
>> You can even place an order for a real telegram to be mailed to a postal address.  
>> 
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Fred.Sonnenrein at gmx.de
>>> Date: April 1, 2022 at 2:17:19 PM GMT+2
>>> To: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Aw: Re: [GreenKeys] i-Telex
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Dear all,
>>>  
>>> as i have developed the i-Telex system i shall correct something:
>>>  
>>> The interface board to the ethernet perform the serial-to-parallel conversion of the 5 bits and vice versa. So the ethernet board is generally capable of performing in any speed. To be precise, the speed must be an integer fraction of 900, so speeds of 45 baud, 50 baud, 75 baud, 100 baud and 150 baud are possible.
>>>  
>>> The current software version even allows to switch the speed between the mentioned valued depending on the actual connection.
>>>  
>>> Best regards,
>>>  
>>> Fred
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
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From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Sat Apr  2 09:52:13 2022
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 15:52:13 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: i-Telex
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Log in to www.telexforum.de and use our Google translate button.

Guess most of the translations will be understandable.

Yes, there are a few "clone" solutions with Raspi etc. available, based on
the i-Telex protocol
developed by Fred.  But I have to admit that they are not that much
supported by the
developers as the original system, developed by Fred.

Henning DF3OE
i-Telex 925302 etc.

www.i-telex.net
www.telexforum.de





Am Sa., 2. Apr. 2022 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Andy KN4UCL <kn4ucl at gmail.com>:

> Hey folks, is there a novice's guide to i-telex build/configure that is in
> English that anyone ever put together ... for say an M32?
>
> Empahsis on the word "novice" ???
>
> cheers, Andy
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> This below comes from the expert. I-Telex can operate at all our standard
>> speeds. I don?t think Fred can post to Greenkeys, so I am sharing below
>> with you all what he wrote
>>
>> I learn something every day!
>>
>> i-Telex can be a lot of fun. I?ve had short messages back and forth (like
>> messaging on the phone), short chats and rag chews. The length of the
>> conversation is measured against the paper consumed, which is kind of cool.
>> It?s like RTTY with autostart and point to point and no radio needed, no
>> fade-outs, no interruptions.
>>
>> And a completely faithful recreation of the old Telex network down to
>> interface hardware signaling. Dial someone and have a conversation (type)
>> or leave a message. Software defined telex!
>>
>> You can even place an order for a real telegram to be mailed to a postal
>> address.
>>
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Fred.Sonnenrein at gmx.de
>> *Date:* April 1, 2022 at 2:17:19 PM GMT+2
>> *To:* Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
>> *Subject:* *Aw: Re: [GreenKeys] i-Telex*
>>
>> ?
>> Dear all,
>>
>> as i have developed the i-Telex system i shall correct something:
>>
>> The interface board to the ethernet perform the serial-to-parallel
>> conversion of the 5 bits and vice versa. So the ethernet board is generally
>> capable of performing in any speed. To be precise, the speed must be an
>> integer fraction of 900, so speeds of 45 baud, 50 baud, 75 baud, 100 baud
>> and 150 baud are possible.
>>
>> The current software version even allows to switch the speed between the
>> mentioned valued depending on the actual connection.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sat Apr  2 11:07:29 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:07:29 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: i-Telex
In-Reply-To: <CAGcpztg2RVsnqy2vmHnYgmN7PB8Tb79bm8e4MK3f=y8wcZ0bQA@mail.gmail.com>
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And here is the wiki:

https://wiki.telexforum.de/index.php?title=Anleitung_Ethernetkarte_%28englisch%29



Paul


> On Apr 2, 2022, at 3:52 PM, Henning Treumann via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Log in to www.telexforum.de and use our Google translate button.
> 
> Guess most of the translations will be understandable.
> 
> Yes, there are a few "clone" solutions with Raspi etc. available, based on the i-Telex protocol
> developed by Fred.  But I have to admit that they are not that much supported by the 
> developers as the original system, developed by Fred.
> 
> Henning DF3OE
> i-Telex 925302 etc.
> 
> www.i-telex.net
> www.telexforum.de
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am Sa., 2. Apr. 2022 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Andy KN4UCL <kn4ucl at gmail.com>:
>> Hey folks, is there a novice's guide to i-telex build/configure that is in English that anyone ever put together ... for say an M32?  
>> 
>> Empahsis on the word "novice" ???
>> 
>> cheers, Andy
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:20 PM Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> This below comes from the expert. I-Telex can operate at all our standard speeds. I don?t think Fred can post to Greenkeys, so I am sharing below with you all what he wrote
>>> 
>>> I learn something every day!
>>> 
>>> i-Telex can be a lot of fun. I?ve had short messages back and forth (like messaging on the phone), short chats and rag chews. The length of the conversation is measured against the paper consumed, which is kind of cool. It?s like RTTY with autostart and point to point and no radio needed, no fade-outs, no interruptions.
>>> 
>>> And a completely faithful recreation of the old Telex network down to interface hardware signaling. Dial someone and have a conversation (type) or leave a message. Software defined telex!
>>> 
>>> You can even place an order for a real telegram to be mailed to a postal address.  
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> W2TTY
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Fred.Sonnenrein at gmx.de
>>>> Date: April 1, 2022 at 2:17:19 PM GMT+2
>>>> To: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Aw: Re: [GreenKeys] i-Telex
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>  
>>>> as i have developed the i-Telex system i shall correct something:
>>>>  
>>>> The interface board to the ethernet perform the serial-to-parallel conversion of the 5 bits and vice versa. So the ethernet board is generally capable of performing in any speed. To be precise, the speed must be an integer fraction of 900, so speeds of 45 baud, 50 baud, 75 baud, 100 baud and 150 baud are possible.
>>>>  
>>>> The current software version even allows to switch the speed between the mentioned valued depending on the actual connection.
>>>>  
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>  
>>>> Fred
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Apr  2 12:05:45 2022
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 09:05:45 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  low Voltage Loop Supply
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So this little design works great.  Thanks for all the suggestions.  I put it in an old case I had laying around.  The total cost was $13 for the Dc-DC booster and junk I had in the parts drawer (basically the case and the 10w 2k Ohm resistor)

It runs on 24vdc so it can be powered by the same supply as my military gear.  

Daniel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2022, at 15:39, Daniel Jones <DJones at k6yic.com> wrote:
> 
> ?So I have finished this loop supply powered by 24vdc.  
> 
> It?s set at about 110v with a 10w 2k resistor and rests right at 60ma.  I have not had a chance to try it yet, I will have more time this weekend. 
> 
> Daniel
> K6YIC 
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> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 19:06, Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> ?From: Jim Haynes [jhhaynes at earthlink.net] -- Thursday, March 24, 2022 5:31 PM
>> 
>>> I've seen some published circuits for a selector magnet driver that
>>> takes advantage of the constant-current characteristics of a transistor
>>> to make the loop current rise faster than it would with a simple
>>> resistor. 
>> 
>> See here:
>> -- https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/step/current.html
>> 
>> I wrote that on the subject of current limiting for motors, but the theory is exactly the same with current loop supplies.  Figure 4.2 shows the impact of different voltages on the rise and fall time in the motor (or loop) current with a series resistor used as a current limiter.  Figure 4.3 shows a simple saturating bipolar transistor current limiter, and Figure 4.4 shows the waveform you can get with it.
>> 
>> For a TTY current loop, I wouldn't bother with a switching limiter, either open loop or closed loop, but it could be done.
>> 
>>        Doug Jones
>>        jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From gil at baudot.net  Sat Apr  2 12:16:09 2022
From: gil at baudot.net (gil baudot.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 16:16:09 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
Message-ID: <BY3PR01MB669108E696A127F57FBDA66FC0E39@BY3PR01MB6691.prod.exchangelabs.com>

a fun bit of old test gear in  nice shape:

https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP._sOSGaiz6KqzoOZZiADjnwIIER&pid=Api]<https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
A 1935 Weston Selective Analyzer<https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  2 15:05:53 2022
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:05:53 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
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I have one of those in the original box including manual. Don't know in what box that meter is hiding in at the moment. A few years ago I was trying to find the right size batteries for it. Unfortunately, the device needs an odd voltage to operate - they don't make these kind of batteries any more.

Nick  -  N0NCQ



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-------- Original message --------
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Date: 4/2/22 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: aaa-greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear

a fun bit of old test gear in  nice shape:

https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP._sOSGaiz6KqzoOZZiADjnwIIER&pid=Api]<https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Apr  2 15:16:50 2022
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:16:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
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I've been picking up a few old Westons for the museum I volunteer at (National Museum of WWII Aviation) & making sure they work when we add them to a vintage electronics "workbench" to show the kinds of tools techs had to work with during the war.? I haven't seen one like that one yet.? Looks really nice!

WayneWB4OGM

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com>
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2022 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear

<!--#yiv0475238004 p {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}-->I have one of those in the original box including manual. Don't know in what box that meter is hiding in at the moment. A few years ago I was trying to find the right size batteries for it. Unfortunately, the device needs an odd voltage to operate - they don't make these kind of batteries any more.?
Nick? -? N0NCQ?


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-------- Original message --------From: "gil baudot.net" <gil at baudot.net> Date: 4/2/22 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: aaa-greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear 
a fun bit of old test gear in? nice shape:
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer

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From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Apr  2 15:54:49 2022
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:54:49 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
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    I don't know what batteries it wants but I have had some 
success in making up batteries from available cells. For example 
I have a TS-352 which requires three 4.5V batteries. I replaced 
these with three cell holders, each holding three AA cells. I got 
the holders from Radio Shack but have seen similar ones 
elsewhere. They fit into the space provided for the original 
batteries. I fastened them in with double stick tape. This works 
very well and I suspect the cells will last for many years. I 
also built an adaptor for a General Radio null indicator which 
originally used mercury cells. Enough room inside to fit it in. 
Perhaps you could make up something for this classic that would 
bring it back to life. Batteries are probably for the ohm meter 
function and should not be too critical.
    BTW, the TS-352 (I think the meter is an ME-9) has been 
useful because it has both a 1000 ohm/volt divider and a 20,000 
ohm/volt divider string in it. The 1000 ohm/volt function is 
useful for some equipment where the voltage charts were made up 
with a low resistance meter, for instance the Hammarlund 
SP-600-JX. The charts specify a Weston Meter that I had some 
trouble looking up. Sure enough its a 1000 ohm/volt meter. One 
can use a 20K ohm/volt meter for the radio but many of the 
voltages will read high.

On 4/2/2022 12:05 PM, Nick wrote:
> I have one of those in the original box including manual. Don't 
> know in what box that meter is hiding in at the moment. A few 
> years ago I was trying to find the right size batteries for it. 
> Unfortunately, the device needs an odd voltage to operate - they 
> don't make these kind of batteries any more.
> 
> Nick? -? N0NCQ
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "gil baudot.net" <gil at baudot.net>
> Date: 4/2/22 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: aaa-greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
> 
> a fun bit of old test gear in? nice shape:
> 
> https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer 
> <https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
> <https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
> 	
> A 1935 Weston Selective Analyzer 
> <https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
> www.electronicdesign.com
> 
> 
> 
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Apr  2 16:04:27 2022
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 20:04:27 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
Message-ID: <20220402.160427.20309.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

FWIW, a while back there was someone who worked around obsolete batteries. I don't recall his name, but I remember I bought one to replace a battery in a  mil night vision goggle. Worked like a charm. Anyone remember his name or URL address? Or if this is even what you are looking for?? Tom WB2TTY

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To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:54:49 -0700

    I don't know what batteries it wants but I have had some 
success in making up batteries from available cells. For example 
I have a TS-352 which requires three 4.5V batteries. I replaced 
these with three cell holders, each holding three AA cells. I got 
the holders from Radio Shack but have seen similar ones 
elsewhere. They fit into the space provided for the original 
batteries. I fastened them in with double stick tape. This works 
very well and I suspect the cells will last for many years. I 
also built an adaptor for a General Radio null indicator which 
originally used mercury cells. Enough room inside to fit it in. 
Perhaps you could make up something for this classic that would 
bring it back to life. Batteries are probably for the ohm meter 
function and should not be too critical.
    BTW, the TS-352 (I think the meter is an ME-9) has been 
useful because it has both a 1000 ohm/volt divider and a 20,000 
ohm/volt divider string in it. The 1000 ohm/volt function is 
useful for some equipment where the voltage charts were made up 
with a low resistance meter, for instance the Hammarlund 
SP-600-JX. The charts specify a Weston Meter that I had some 
trouble looking up. Sure enough its a 1000 ohm/volt meter. One 
can use a 20K ohm/volt meter for the radio but many of the 
voltages will read high.

On 4/2/2022 12:05 PM, Nick wrote:
> I have one of those in the original box including manual. Don't 
> know in what box that meter is hiding in at the moment. A few 
> years ago I was trying to find the right size batteries for it. 
> Unfortunately, the device needs an odd voltage to operate - they 
> don't make these kind of batteries any more.
> 
> Nick?  -?  N0NCQ
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "gil baudot.net" <gil at baudot.net>
> Date: 4/2/22 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: aaa-greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
> 
> a fun bit of old test gear in?  nice shape:
> 
> https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer 
> <https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
> <https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
> 
> A 1935 Weston Selective Analyzer 
> <https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/video/21235784/electronic-design-a-1935-weston-selective-analyzer>
> www.electronicdesign.com
> 
> 
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From shumaker at att.net  Sun Apr  3 16:26:35 2022
From: shumaker at att.net (s shumaker)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 13:26:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] modified teleprinter
References: <9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705@att.net>

No clue how relevant it is here but thought there might be a *little* 
interest...

Space Shuttle Teleprinter, described as "a modified teletype machine"?? 
up for auction:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/124634614_space-shuttle-teleprinter

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From wa5cab at cs.com  Sun Apr  3 19:01:26 2022
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 18:01:26 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear
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Nick,

 

I have one or two of the Weston units but don't recall just what batteries
it uses.  However, 20+ years ago I was faced with a similar problem
involving the Signal Corps BA-41 battery and a BC-620 radio that needed to
work in a WW-II vintage Half Track.  Which of course has a 12-14 volt
system.  I determined that the BA-41 didn't have quite enough volume to hold
enough 9-volt batteries to meet all of the needs so one of them I
out-boarded and used the 12V system to run a Zener diode and dropping
resistor.  Which wouldn't work for the analyzer of course.  But the rest of
the voltages I made up by a combination of series 9-volt batteries.  If that
left some of the voltages too high, I opened the bottom of one of the 9-volt
batteries and replaced the necessary number of 1.5 volt cells with copper or
brass rod of the correct diameter and length, insulated by either electrical
tape or shrink tubing.  Last time that I heard, the radio was still working.

 

Note that simply turning one of the cells over will turn the 9 volt battery
into a 6 volt one.  But in practice, this would only be usable in a bias
circuit that drew no current because the inverted cell would be charged by
the other cells and would soon probably leak.

 

Robert Downs

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 14:06
To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] OT -- old test gear

 

I have one of those in the original box including manual. Don't know in what
box that meter is hiding in at the moment. A few years ago I was trying to
find the right size batteries for it. Unfortunately, the device needs an odd
voltage to operate - they don't make these kind of batteries any more. 

 

Nick  -  N0NCQ 

 

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Apr  3 21:23:19 2022
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 18:23:19 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] modified teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705@att.net>
References: <9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705.ref@att.net>
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On Sun, April 3, 2022 1:26 pm, s shumaker wrote:
> No clue how relevant it is here but thought there might be a *little*
> interest...
>
> Space Shuttle Teleprinter, described as "a modified teletype machine"????
> up for auction:
>
> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/124634614_space-shuttle-teleprinter
>
> steve
>

Interesting! I wonder what the printing technology is. The printer
mechanism seems to be behind a metal cover. But, I can see a ribbon. There
are two reels on the left side, so the ribbon loops back to the left
possibly to save space. Since there's a ribbon, it's an impact printer of
some sort.

Harold


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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Sun Apr  3 22:33:27 2022
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 02:33:27 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  modified teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <ecbba73497e2d57ed5f0b4a1f4be3fe1.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705.ref@att.net>
	<9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705@att.net>
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From: Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys [greenkeys at mailman.qth.net] -- Sunday, April 3, 2022 8:23 PM

> On Sun, April 3, 2022 1:26 pm, s shumaker wrote:
> > Space Shuttle Teleprinter, described as "a modified teletype machine"
> > https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/124634614_space-shuttle-teleprinter

> Interesting! I wonder what the printing technology is. The printer
> mechanism seems to be behind a metal cover. But, I can see a ribbon. 

The ribbon is about an inch wide and follows a diagonal path across the paper.  Furthermore, it looks like the platten is in front of the ribbon in front of the paper, with the hammers striking the paper from the rear.  I've seen this arrangement just once before, I have samples of material printed on it on the web here:
-- https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/plato/#printing

Look at the bullet headed "A mechanical impact screen printer."  That has sample output printed on the printer I remember.  Unfortunately, the print mechanism itself was an OEM unit, packaged by someone else.  My guess is that the shuttle printer used the same or a very similar OEM mechanism but I have no clue who packaged it or wrote the software (or firmware) to work it.  The print mechanism was a single horizontal line of print hammers that oscillated back and forth very quickly, we informally referred to it as a wobble bar.  Each hammer scanned one segment of the page, and carefully timed impulses to the print magnets would hammer the paper against the ribbon and flat metal platten.  It managed about 100 dots per inch resolution and was good for graphics or dot-matrix text.  Here's an extended document printed on that printer:
-- https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/plato/IBMofficeSystem6.pdf

It's just text (including custom fonts) up to page 14, but on pages 15 to 18, there is line graphics, with an isometric drawing on page 18.

Note that I am only speculating about the shuttle printer, but the basic appearance sure rings bells.  In any case, running such a printer requires a microprocessor and enough RAM to buffer the dot-matrix image of at least one line of text.  The PLATO one had 32K bytes of buffer so it could render a 512 by 512 pixel image into RAM before printing it.  It's easy to imagine NASA going for someting much simpler.

The key reason to like this particular printer design is that it had so few moving parts, just a stepper motor for paper advance, another for the ribbon, a simple DC motor to spin the crankshaft that moved the wobble bar, and a row of print hammers on the bar.  Everything else was software.  Very lightweight.

          Doug Jones
          jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Apr  4 00:29:21 2022
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 21:29:21 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  modified teleprinter
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Thanks for the great history on printer technology! Right now, I really
like the mechanical simplicity of inkjet. The idea of spewing drops of ink
by boiling it is pretty amazing. I remember one proposal was to use
electrostatic deflection of the ink as it flew towards the paper. The
first inkjet printer I saw was an Olivetti that had one inkjet. It scanned
back and forth across the page very fast making somewhat wobbly text.

I note on the page you linked to that you did a typeface using an 8x16
matrix. I did a lot with Unifont which also uses 8x16 or 16x16 for Asian
characters. I put the Unifont character set in a 2 MB SPI flash. The
system (cinema closed captioning system) would receive packets containing
UTF-8 strings of characters that were then sent to an OLED display. The
transmission of the data was FSK RF over IR. So, I took a RTTY signal and
put it on IR.

All fun stuff!

Harold

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From pbirkel at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 03:50:08 2022
From: pbirkel at gmail.com (pbirkel at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 03:50:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] modified teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <ecbba73497e2d57ed5f0b4a1f4be3fe1.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705.ref@att.net>	<9d6c147a-d078-302c-8c68-997d586b9705@att.net>
	<ecbba73497e2d57ed5f0b4a1f4be3fe1.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
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Wanna bet the ribbon is dried out :-}?  Note that the last several images
are of the operating procedures.  "cabled to the audio system" -- AFSK?
Apparently it's activated continuously once on-orbit; no mention of needing
to switch it "in-loop" or anything.

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On Behalf Of Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:23 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] modified teleprinter



On Sun, April 3, 2022 1:26 pm, s shumaker wrote:
> No clue how relevant it is here but thought there might be a *little* 
> interest...
>
> Space Shuttle Teleprinter, described as "a modified teletype machine"??
> ? up for auction:
>
> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/124634614_space-shuttle-teleprint
> er
>
> steve
>

Interesting! I wonder what the printing technology is. The printer mechanism
seems to be behind a metal cover. But, I can see a ribbon. There are two
reels on the left side, so the ribbon loops back to the left possibly to
save space. Since there's a ribbon, it's an impact printer of some sort.

Harold


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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Mon Apr  4 06:35:12 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 05:35:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
In-Reply-To: <E6EB4C19-92B2-4AAC-8417-D62081B03616@9-5usa.org>
References: <E6EB4C19-92B2-4AAC-8417-D62081B03616@9-5usa.org>
Message-ID: <d9782ec1-e0b0-cab4-6c97-bc489d581193@9-5usa.org>

I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered 
similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean 
the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while 
working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX.


The keys tops, the plastic sleeves covering some of the internal wiring 
harness, and other things were coated with a white "mold" or something.? 
In addition, the keys also seemed to have an "undercoat" of something 
brown.? I speculated that it could have been tar and nicotine from the 
machine having been in an environment for a long time where there was 
heavy cigarette smoke in the air but I don't know if that is possible.? 
It was almost like varnish.


The Space key on this machine was repeatedly sticking and there were 
problems with inserting random LF at times when I was punching a tape.? 
None of that was cured by localized lubrication on the spots I could 
reach inside on the transmitter base.? I finally decided to remove the 
keyboard cover to try cleaning/re-lubricating the Space bar mechanism at 
the very least.? Once I saw the full condition of the key tops, I 
decided to proceed with a full cleaning of the keys.? I also decided 
that I would clean them one-by-one to avoid any confusion.


I flushed the mechanism/springs with degreaser followed by a water rinse 
and then dried the mechanism with a heat gun.? I tried cleaning the key 
tops with my old reliable, Simple Green, and even 409, but not even that 
was completely removing the brown residue. I was afraid to leave 
anything soaking in Simple Green for very long.? I tried some other 
cleaning products at hand but nothing helped much.


Then I found an aerosol can of an automotive product I bought several 
years ago being sold at a local fuel station ostensibly for charity.? I 
had not paid much attention to the product.? It sprays out to create a 
soupy foam.? The product was labeled "Cleaning Wax" and is by Fast Wax 
(www.fastwax.com).? I do not see the exact product listed now on their 
website but perhaps the "General Cleaner" is the same.? I started by 
spraying a shallow puddle of this stuff in a bowl and letting the key 
top sit for a few minutes before rubbing it with a cloth.? Most of the 
residue from the key top disappeared easily.? Even the metal stud was 
clean.? But, there would occasionally be some brown residue left. This 
sometimes could be removed with applying a lot of "elbow grease" but I 
also found if I soaked the key top again or let it sit in the cleaner 
longer that the residue would be completely removed.? I just left one 
key top sitting in the stuff overnight and it came completely clean with 
no effort.? This obviously will take a long time doing this one at a 
time but I am not willing to risk mixing up the keys!? Attached are some 
"before and after" pictures of one of the worst key tops.? I have about 
one-third to one-half of the key tops cleaned at this point.? I am 
oiling the pivot points as I re-attach the key tops.


73


Kevin

W5TTY





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From pbirkel at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 07:01:28 2022
From: pbirkel at gmail.com (pbirkel at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 07:01:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
In-Reply-To: <d9782ec1-e0b0-cab4-6c97-bc489d581193@9-5usa.org>
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https://fastwax.com/product/fw1-wash-wax-lab-tested-pit-proven/ (FW1) seems right; the label is simply "CLEANING WAX".  Look like yours?

Very, very impressive outcome!

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Kevin H. Phillips
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 6:35 AM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys

I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX.

The keys tops, the plastic sleeves covering some of the internal wiring harness, and other things were coated with a white "mold" or something. In addition, the keys also seemed to have an "undercoat" of something brown.  I speculated that it could have been tar and nicotine from the machine having been in an environment for a long time where there was heavy cigarette smoke in the air but I don't know if that is possible. It was almost like varnish.

The Space key on this machine was repeatedly sticking and there were problems with inserting random LF at times when I was punching a tape. None of that was cured by localized lubrication on the spots I could reach inside on the transmitter base.  I finally decided to remove the keyboard cover to try cleaning/re-lubricating the Space bar mechanism at the very least.  Once I saw the full condition of the key tops, I decided to proceed with a full cleaning of the keys.  I also decided that I would clean them one-by-one to avoid any confusion.

I flushed the mechanism/springs with degreaser followed by a water rinse and then dried the mechanism with a heat gun.  I tried cleaning the key tops with my old reliable, Simple Green, and even 409, but not even that was completely removing the brown residue. I was afraid to leave anything soaking in Simple Green for very long.  I tried some other cleaning products at hand but nothing helped much.

Then I found an aerosol can of an automotive product I bought several years ago being sold at a local fuel station ostensibly for charity.  I had not paid much attention to the product.  It sprays out to create a soupy foam.  The product was labeled "Cleaning Wax" and is by Fast Wax (www.fastwax.com).  I do not see the exact product listed now on their website but perhaps the "General Cleaner" is the same.  I started by spraying a shallow puddle of this stuff in a bowl and letting the key top sit for a few minutes before rubbing it with a cloth.  Most of the residue from the key top disappeared easily.  Even the metal stud was clean.  But, there would occasionally be some brown residue left. This sometimes could be removed with applying a lot of "elbow grease" but I also found if I soaked the key top again or let it sit in the cleaner longer that the residue would be completely removed.  I just left one key top sitting in the stuff overnight and it came completely clean with no effort.  This obviously will take a long time doing this one at a time but I am not willing to risk mixing up the keys!  Attached are some "before and after" pictures of one of the worst key tops.  I have about one-third to one-half of the key tops cleaned at this point.  I am oiling the pivot points as I re-attach the key tops.

73
Kevin
W5TTY

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 07:16:21 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 07:16:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
In-Reply-To: <d9782ec1-e0b0-cab4-6c97-bc489d581193@9-5usa.org>
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For reinstalling M28 keys, consult this page-
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28-keyboard.htm


On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 6:35 AM Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>
wrote:

> I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered
> similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean
> the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while
> working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX.
>
>
> The keys tops, the plastic sleeves covering some of the internal wiring
> harness, and other things were coated with a white "mold" or something.
> In addition, the keys also seemed to have an "undercoat" of something
> brown.  I speculated that it could have been tar and nicotine from the
> machine having been in an environment for a long time where there was
> heavy cigarette smoke in the air but I don't know if that is possible.
> It was almost like varnish.
>
>
> The Space key on this machine was repeatedly sticking and there were
> problems with inserting random LF at times when I was punching a tape.
> None of that was cured by localized lubrication on the spots I could
> reach inside on the transmitter base.  I finally decided to remove the
> keyboard cover to try cleaning/re-lubricating the Space bar mechanism at
> the very least.  Once I saw the full condition of the key tops, I
> decided to proceed with a full cleaning of the keys.  I also decided
> that I would clean them one-by-one to avoid any confusion.
>
>
> I flushed the mechanism/springs with degreaser followed by a water rinse
> and then dried the mechanism with a heat gun.  I tried cleaning the key
> tops with my old reliable, Simple Green, and even 409, but not even that
> was completely removing the brown residue. I was afraid to leave
> anything soaking in Simple Green for very long.  I tried some other
> cleaning products at hand but nothing helped much.
>
>
> Then I found an aerosol can of an automotive product I bought several
> years ago being sold at a local fuel station ostensibly for charity.  I
> had not paid much attention to the product.  It sprays out to create a
> soupy foam.  The product was labeled "Cleaning Wax" and is by Fast Wax
> (www.fastwax.com).  I do not see the exact product listed now on their
> website but perhaps the "General Cleaner" is the same.  I started by
> spraying a shallow puddle of this stuff in a bowl and letting the key
> top sit for a few minutes before rubbing it with a cloth.  Most of the
> residue from the key top disappeared easily.  Even the metal stud was
> clean.  But, there would occasionally be some brown residue left. This
> sometimes could be removed with applying a lot of "elbow grease" but I
> also found if I soaked the key top again or let it sit in the cleaner
> longer that the residue would be completely removed.  I just left one
> key top sitting in the stuff overnight and it came completely clean with
> no effort.  This obviously will take a long time doing this one at a
> time but I am not willing to risk mixing up the keys!  Attached are some
> "before and after" pictures of one of the worst key tops.  I have about
> one-third to one-half of the key tops cleaned at this point.  I am
> oiling the pivot points as I re-attach the key tops.
>
>
> 73
>
>
> Kevin
>
> W5TTY
>
>
>
>
>
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Mon Apr  4 08:36:18 2022
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 12:36:18 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  modified teleprinter
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From: Harold Hallikainen [harold at w6iwi.org] -- Sunday, April 3, 2022 11:29 PM

> Thanks for the great history on printer technology! Right now, I really
> like the mechanical simplicity of inkjet. The idea of spewing drops of ink
> by boiling it is pretty amazing. I remember one proposal was to use
> electrostatic deflection of the ink as it flew towards the paper.

That's solidly in Greenkeys land.  The Teletype Inkatronic did exactly that, with an array of nozzles and deflection plates, it could print ASCII text at 9600 baud.  I used one at Bell Labs back in 1972-73.

The first Teletype to run at 9600 baud, on the plus side, but the ink was like ballpoint pen ink, thick and viscous, and it tended to make occasional blobs that didn't dry on the page but instead transferred to your fingers and occasionally clothing.  Sometimes a droplet would stick to one of the deflection plates, and the altered field made it probable that more droplets would stick to that one until the resulting blob either smeared onto the page or blocked the nozzle.

Even in normal operation, the little ink droplets tended to have little tails, so under magnifiction, the dots making up a dot-matrix character each had a little twirly tail running off in a random curve from the droplet.

          Doug Jones
          jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 09:00:04 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:00:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
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My Inktronic-
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htm
Nick

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 8:37 AM Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
wrote:

> From: Harold Hallikainen [harold at w6iwi.org] -- Sunday, April 3, 2022
> 11:29 PM
>
> > Thanks for the great history on printer technology! Right now, I really
> > like the mechanical simplicity of inkjet. The idea of spewing drops of
> ink
> > by boiling it is pretty amazing. I remember one proposal was to use
> > electrostatic deflection of the ink as it flew towards the paper.
>
> That's solidly in Greenkeys land.  The Teletype Inkatronic did exactly
> that, with an array of nozzles and deflection plates, it could print ASCII
> text at 9600 baud.  I used one at Bell Labs back in 1972-73.
>
> The first Teletype to run at 9600 baud, on the plus side, but the ink was
> like ballpoint pen ink, thick and viscous, and it tended to make occasional
> blobs that didn't dry on the page but instead transferred to your fingers
> and occasionally clothing.  Sometimes a droplet would stick to one of the
> deflection plates, and the altered field made it probable that more
> droplets would stick to that one until the resulting blob either smeared
> onto the page or blocked the nozzle.
>
> Even in normal operation, the little ink droplets tended to have little
> tails, so under magnifiction, the dots making up a dot-matrix character
> each had a little twirly tail running off in a random curve from the
> droplet.
>
>           Doug Jones
>           jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From kwlueck at swbell.net  Mon Apr  4 11:41:48 2022
From: kwlueck at swbell.net (Keith Lueck)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:41:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
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 Wow, I'd never seen (modern) pics of one.? It looks like there's a lot of missing hardware from yours; I guess it's not operational...?? Would be fun to see a video of it in action!
    On Monday, April 4, 2022, 08:00:58 AM CDT, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 My Inktronic-https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htmNick

  
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Mon Apr  4 12:03:30 2022
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 12:03:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
In-Reply-To: <d9782ec1-e0b0-cab4-6c97-bc489d581193@9-5usa.org>
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The keys are made of Tenite plastic or one of it's derivatives, made 
from cellulose.? It molds and mildews badly. In worse cases, the mold 
sort of corrodes the surface, and a mild abrasive polishing compound is 
needed to make the surface smooth again. Tenite aslo has a distinktive 
odor when heated or worked. I spent my youth in the place it was made, 
pieces of the plastic were easy to get, and the whole town had an "air" 
about it. Typists , however, liked the feel and "touch" of keys made of 
it, and it was quite popular for keyboards.

 ??? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 4/4/22 6:35, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:
> I know that others who have worked with these machines have 
> encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products 
> used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I 
> "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago 
> in Houston, TX.
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
> Kevin
>
> W5TTY
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Apr  4 12:15:13 2022
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:15:13 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
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On Mon, April 4, 2022 4:11 am, Nick England wrote:
> Teletype???s Inktronic used electrostatic deflection. 40 nozzles spraying
> hot
> liquid ink and 10kv??????what could possibly go wrong?
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htm
>

With an almost 12 kV differential, it must be fun to reach in there to
clear paper jams.

Truly amazing technology. I'm still impressed with the heater boiling ink
inkjet. It's amazing to me that it goes as fast as it does. Really clever
design with very few moving parts. Probably the most complicated part is
the paper feed. As I mentioned previously, I used to have a Multilith
model 80 and a 1250 offset press. The 80 used a rubber roller to TRY to
feed one sheet of paper into the press at a time. It often fed several.
Most of the time, I ended up feeding it by hand. The 1250 had a vacuum
pickup that would very nicely pick up one sheet of paper and feed it into
the press. My HP inkjet does a nice job of feeding just one piece of paper
through at a time. And, it can even flip the paper around to print on the
other side. Of course, a tractor feed inkjet would be even simpler.
Anyway, I think that's the most complicated part of the printer, though
I'm sure the details of the print head are amazingly complex and cost a
lot to develop.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


-- 
https://w6iwi.org

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 12:39:32 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 12:39:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] i-Telex
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBS21R=K=Ja9rwcOzfLGJAPzPgQdkf3WNQm9paqzwXBGcg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all that responded to my i-Telex query.
I gave Henning my order on boards just waiting to find out what the
international shipping will be.

In the meantime I'm playing around with WinTLX the very attractive thing
about that program for me is it has the ability to do the Cyrillic shifts
for my Russian machines and I'm also playing with the piTelex. If anyone on
the list is also using either of those send me a message off list I have a
couple involved questions reguarding both.

I've also formatted my questions for the i-Telex board also which I'll get
to later tonight.

THANKS AGAIN
Joe
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr  4 12:48:36 2022
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:48:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
In-Reply-To: <66a412e39bf1cafeeffb41e7a9e57260.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <66a412e39bf1cafeeffb41e7a9e57260.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <7BA14BB5-C04C-4186-B925-245C78624488@sbcglobal.net>

Harold you are of course describing the hp think jet Printer.   To simplify the initial product (which worked but barely) it used sprocket feed.
If you bought any hp test equipment with hpib you got a free Think jet printer.  That?s how it all got started.  
Gerry
AD6MC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
>> On Mon, April 4, 2022 4:11 am, Nick England wrote:
>> Teletype?s Inktronic used electrostatic deflection. 40 nozzles spraying
>> hot
>> liquid ink and 10kv??what could possibly go wrong?
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htm
>> 
> 
> With an almost 12 kV differential, it must be fun to reach in there to
> clear paper jams.
> 
> Truly amazing technology. I'm still impressed with the heater boiling ink
> inkjet. It's amazing to me that it goes as fast as it does. Really clever
> design with very few moving parts. Probably the most complicated part is
> the paper feed. As I mentioned previously, I used to have a Multilith
> model 80 and a 1250 offset press. The 80 used a rubber roller to TRY to
> feed one sheet of paper into the press at a time. It often fed several.
> Most of the time, I ended up feeding it by hand. The 1250 had a vacuum
> pickup that would very nicely pick up one sheet of paper and feed it into
> the press. My HP inkjet does a nice job of feeding just one piece of paper
> through at a time. And, it can even flip the paper around to print on the
> other side. Of course, a tractor feed inkjet would be even simpler.
> Anyway, I think that's the most complicated part of the printer, though
> I'm sure the details of the print head are amazingly complex and cost a
> lot to develop.
> 
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
> 
> 
> -- 
> https://w6iwi.org
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 13:19:31 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 13:19:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
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As best as I can tell, all the hardware is there. They repackaged things
for the model I have but I only have the manuals for the earlier version.
Haven?t tried firing it up and not sure where I?d get ink, but I just had
to save it from the scrappers.
Maybe some day I?ll get brave- after sealing off that part of the basement
with plastic sheets?..

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:41 AM Keith Lueck <kwlueck at swbell.net> wrote:

> Wow, I'd never seen (modern) pics of one.  It looks like there's a lot of
> missing hardware from yours; I guess it's not operational...?  Would be fun
> to see a video of it in action!
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022, 08:00:58 AM CDT, Nick England <
> navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My Inktronic-
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htm
> Nick
>
>
> --
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From til128 at juno.com  Mon Apr  4 14:49:53 2022
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 18:49:53 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
Message-ID: <20220404.144953.23126.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

And the brochure for the tiinkJet:  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Gerry Block <gblock at sbcglobal.net>
To: harold at w6iwi.org
Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:48:36 -0700

Harold you are of course describing the hp think jet Printer.   To simplify the initial product (which worked but barely) it used sprocket feed.
If you bought any hp test equipment with hpib you got a free Think jet printer.  That?&euro;&trade;s how it all got started.  
Gerry
AD6MC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ???
> 
>> On Mon, April 4, 2022 4:11 am, Nick England wrote:
>> Teletype?&euro;&trade;s Inktronic used electrostatic deflection. 40 nozzles spraying
>> hot
>> liquid ink and 10kv?&euro;??&euro;?what could possibly go wrong?
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htm
>> 
> 
> With an almost 12 kV differential, it must be fun to reach in there to
> clear paper jams.
> 
> Truly amazing technology. I'm still impressed with the heater boiling ink
> inkjet. It's amazing to me that it goes as fast as it does. Really clever
> design with very few moving parts. Probably the most complicated part is
> the paper feed. As I mentioned previously, I used to have a Multilith
> model 80 and a 1250 offset press. The 80 used a rubber roller to TRY to
> feed one sheet of paper into the press at a time. It often fed several.
> Most of the time, I ended up feeding it by hand. The 1250 had a vacuum
> pickup that would very nicely pick up one sheet of paper and feed it into
> the press. My HP inkjet does a nice job of feeding just one piece of paper
> through at a time. And, it can even flip the paper around to print on the
> other side. Of course, a tractor feed inkjet would be even simpler.
> Anyway, I think that's the most complicated part of the printer, though
> I'm sure the details of the print head are amazingly complex and cost a
> lot to develop.
> 
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
> 
> 
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr  4 16:45:04 2022
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 13:45:04 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
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Time travel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2022, at 11:51 AM, "til128 at juno.com" <til128 at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> And the brochure for the tiinkJet:
>  
>  
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Gerry Block <gblock at sbcglobal.net>
> To: harold at w6iwi.org
> Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: modified teleprinter
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:48:36 -0700
> 
> Harold you are of course describing the hp think jet Printer.   To simplify the initial product (which worked but barely) it used sprocket feed.
> If you bought any hp test equipment with hpib you got a free Think jet printer.  That???s how it all got started.  
> Gerry
> AD6MC
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 4, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ???
> > 
> >> On Mon, April 4, 2022 4:11 am, Nick England wrote:
> >> Teletype???s Inktronic used electrostatic deflection. 40 nozzles spraying
> >> hot
> >> liquid ink and 10kv??????what could possibly go wrong?
> >> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr14.htm
> >> 
> > 
> > With an almost 12 kV differential, it must be fun to reach in there to
> > clear paper jams.
> > 
> > Truly amazing technology. I'm still impressed with the heater boiling ink
> > inkjet. It's amazing to me that it goes as fast as it does. Really clever
> > design with very few moving parts. Probably the most complicated part is
> > the paper feed. As I mentioned previously, I used to have a Multilith
> > model 80 and a 1250 offset press. The 80 used a rubber roller to TRY to
> > feed one sheet of paper into the press at a time. It often fed several.
> > Most of the time, I ended up feeding it by hand. The 1250 had a vacuum
> > pickup that would very nicely pick up one sheet of paper and feed it into
> > the press. My HP inkjet does a nice job of feeding just one piece of paper
> > through at a time. And, it can even flip the paper around to print on the
> > other side. Of course, a tractor feed inkjet would be even simpler.
> > Anyway, I think that's the most complicated part of the printer, though
> > I'm sure the details of the print head are amazingly complex and cost a
> > lot to develop.
> > 
> > Harold
> > https://w6iwi.org
> > 
> > 
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From comcents at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr  4 17:02:09 2022
From: comcents at bellsouth.net (Randy)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 21:02:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
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Thanks for sharing, one time Randy took the whole lot of key tops put them in a plastic container for small parts, closed it tight and ran it through the dishwasher, that worked pretty well, as I recall., also. I am not sure what they were made of, nor what type keyboard they came off of.?I like the idea of take a picture where everything is and soak over night too.
   On Monday, April 4, 2022, 11:04:00 AM CDT, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
  
The keys are made of Tenite plastic or one of it's derivatives, made from cellulose.? It molds and mildews badly. In worse cases, the mold sort of corrodes the surface, and a mild abrasive polishing compound is needed to make the surface smooth again. Tenite aslo has a distinktive odor when heated or worked. I spent my youth in the place it was made, pieces of the plastic were easy to get, and the whole town had an "air" about it. Typists , however, liked the feel and "touch" of keys made of it, and it was quite popular for keyboards.
 
??? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
 
 On 4/4/22 6:35, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:
  
I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX. 
 
 
 
 73 
 
 
 Kevin 
 
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 17:21:10 2022
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 17:21:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
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Guys, just my 2 cents worth, but I have had VERY good luck using Armor All.  I use the wipes that come in a cylindrical container where you pull out one wipe at a time very similar to baby wipes.

 

I take one key at a time and thoroughly clean and polish the key.  I?ve used this procedure both on M28 gear and Kleinschmidt gear.  Now I?m going to try the same procedure on my newly acquired M33s.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 05:02 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net; Bruce Gentry <ka2ivy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys

 

Thanks for sharing, one time Randy took the whole lot of key tops put them in a plastic container for small parts, closed it tight and ran it through the dishwasher, that worked pretty well, as I recall., also. I am not sure what they were made of, nor what type keyboard they came off of.

 I like the idea of take a picture where everything is and soak over night too.

On Monday, April 4, 2022, 11:04:00 AM CDT, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> > wrote: 

 

 

The keys are made of Tenite plastic or one of it's derivatives, made from cellulose.  It molds and mildews badly. In worse cases, the mold sort of corrodes the surface, and a mild abrasive polishing compound is needed to make the surface smooth again. Tenite aslo has a distinktive odor when heated or worked. I spent my youth in the place it was made, pieces of the plastic were easy to get, and the whole town had an "air" about it. Typists , however, liked the feel and "touch" of keys made of it, and it was quite popular for keyboards.

    Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 4/4/22 6:35, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:

I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX. 



73 


Kevin 

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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 17:23:21 2022
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 17:23:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 32ASR - won't type in "Local" ... but will
 locally type when turning rotary dialer
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Dear GK folks - my Teletype M32 is outwardly in nice condition and I am
finally getting it prepped... with a view to doing some i-telex.

It runs in open when powered up, and although pressing the Local button
doesn't seem to do anything, if I turn the dialer clockwise the chattering
stops and I can type locally without issue.

Any thoughts on this?  Attached are some photos.

cheers!  Andy
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Mon Apr  4 20:01:29 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 19:01:29 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 32ASR - won't type in "Local" ... but will
 locally type when turning rotary dialer
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Andy,


I believe that is normal.? Wayne is the expert on 32's and will chime in 
but from his advice to me, what you are seeing is normal.? If you wedge 
a pencil or something else to keep the dial turned clockwise you will be 
able to type in Local mode.


73

Kevin

W5TTY

On 4/4/2022 4:23 PM, Andy KN4UCL wrote:
> Dear GK folks - my Teletype M32 is outwardly in nice condition and I 
> am finally getting it prepped... with a view to doing some i-telex.
>
> It runs in open when powered up, and although pressing the Local 
> button doesn't seem to do anything, if I turn the dialer clockwise the 
> chattering stops and I can type locally without issue.
>
> Any thoughts on this?? Attached are some photos.
>
> cheers!? Andy
>
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Apr  4 21:30:39 2022
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Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 32ASR - won't type in "Local" ... but will
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Tue Apr  5 07:36:44 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 06:36:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
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I have been trying to figure out how long it takes to clean the keys by 
"soaking" in this stuff.? I have wanted something that would clean the 
keys without having to spend a lot of time rubbing and scrubbing.? I 
know that leaving the keys soaking overnight or during the day when I am 
at work does the trick.? I wipe away the foam and the key is completely 
clean without a trace of white mold or the brown residue with no effort 
on my part.? The question is: what is the minimum amount of time it 
takes to accomplish this?? I don't have an answer yet.? I know it is 
longer than 3 hours since I tried that yesterday evening after I got 
home.? Since I am still working and only have some spare time on 
weekends to work on the machine then this process is fine.? If I felt 
brave enough to remove more keys at a time to soak them it would be better.


I did find a bottle of spray Armor All that I tried.? With one spray and 
some scrubbing it did remove most of the white mold but did not work as 
well on the brown residue on the keys of this particular machine.? I 
still do not know what the brown stuff is. I would guess that soaking 
the keys in Armor All might accomplish the same result as the Fast Wax 
product.


73


Kevin

W5TTY

On 4/4/2022 6:01 AM, pbirkel at gmail.com wrote:
> https://fastwax.com/product/fw1-wash-wax-lab-tested-pit-proven/ (FW1) seems right; the label is simply "CLEANING WAX".  Look like yours?
>
> Very, very impressive outcome!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Kevin H. Phillips
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 6:35 AM
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
>
> I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX.
>
> The keys tops, the plastic sleeves covering some of the internal wiring harness, and other things were coated with a white "mold" or something. In addition, the keys also seemed to have an "undercoat" of something brown.  I speculated that it could have been tar and nicotine from the machine having been in an environment for a long time where there was heavy cigarette smoke in the air but I don't know if that is possible. It was almost like varnish.
>
> The Space key on this machine was repeatedly sticking and there were problems with inserting random LF at times when I was punching a tape. None of that was cured by localized lubrication on the spots I could reach inside on the transmitter base.  I finally decided to remove the keyboard cover to try cleaning/re-lubricating the Space bar mechanism at the very least.  Once I saw the full condition of the key tops, I decided to proceed with a full cleaning of the keys.  I also decided that I would clean them one-by-one to avoid any confusion.
>
> I flushed the mechanism/springs with degreaser followed by a water rinse and then dried the mechanism with a heat gun.  I tried cleaning the key tops with my old reliable, Simple Green, and even 409, but not even that was completely removing the brown residue. I was afraid to leave anything soaking in Simple Green for very long.  I tried some other cleaning products at hand but nothing helped much.
>
> Then I found an aerosol can of an automotive product I bought several years ago being sold at a local fuel station ostensibly for charity.  I had not paid much attention to the product.  It sprays out to create a soupy foam.  The product was labeled "Cleaning Wax" and is by Fast Wax (www.fastwax.com).  I do not see the exact product listed now on their website but perhaps the "General Cleaner" is the same.  I started by spraying a shallow puddle of this stuff in a bowl and letting the key top sit for a few minutes before rubbing it with a cloth.  Most of the residue from the key top disappeared easily.  Even the metal stud was clean.  But, there would occasionally be some brown residue left. This sometimes could be removed with applying a lot of "elbow grease" but I also found if I soaked the key top again or let it sit in the cleaner longer that the residue would be completely removed.  I just left one key top sitting in the stuff overnight and it came completely clean with no effort.  This obviously will take a long time doing this one at a time but I am not willing to risk mixing up the keys!  Attached are some "before and after" pictures of one of the worst key tops.  I have about one-third to one-half of the key tops cleaned at this point.  I am oiling the pivot points as I re-attach the key tops.
>
> 73
> Kevin
> W5TTY
>
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 07:45:42 2022
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (Steve Garrison)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 07:45:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
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Kevin,

I removed each key individually, and using a Armor All "wipe" cleaned each key with not too much effort, although a few with the really tough "brown" stuff did require a little more elbow grease.  I don't imagine the spray Armor All would be effective as the wipes unless you actually soaked a rag with the spray before using it to clean the key.

I then re-installed that key and moved on to the next.  A slow but methodical approach and I now have a perfectly clean keyboard.

Steve G./N4TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Kevin H. Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 07:37 AM
To: 'Greenkeys' <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys

I have been trying to figure out how long it takes to clean the keys by "soaking" in this stuff.  I have wanted something that would clean the keys without having to spend a lot of time rubbing and scrubbing.  I know that leaving the keys soaking overnight or during the day when I am at work does the trick.  I wipe away the foam and the key is completely clean without a trace of white mold or the brown residue with no effort on my part.  The question is: what is the minimum amount of time it takes to accomplish this?  I don't have an answer yet.  I know it is longer than 3 hours since I tried that yesterday evening after I got home.  Since I am still working and only have some spare time on weekends to work on the machine then this process is fine.  If I felt brave enough to remove more keys at a time to soak them it would be better.


I did find a bottle of spray Armor All that I tried.  With one spray and some scrubbing it did remove most of the white mold but did not work as well on the brown residue on the keys of this particular machine.  I still do not know what the brown stuff is. I would guess that soaking the keys in Armor All might accomplish the same result as the Fast Wax product.


73


Kevin

W5TTY

On 4/4/2022 6:01 AM, pbirkel at gmail.com wrote:
> https://fastwax.com/product/fw1-wash-wax-lab-tested-pit-proven/ (FW1) seems right; the label is simply "CLEANING WAX".  Look like yours?
>
> Very, very impressive outcome!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Kevin H. Phillips
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 6:35 AM
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
>
> I know that others who have worked with these machines have encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks ago in Houston, TX.
>
> The keys tops, the plastic sleeves covering some of the internal wiring harness, and other things were coated with a white "mold" or something. In addition, the keys also seemed to have an "undercoat" of something brown.  I speculated that it could have been tar and nicotine from the machine having been in an environment for a long time where there was heavy cigarette smoke in the air but I don't know if that is possible. It was almost like varnish.
>
> The Space key on this machine was repeatedly sticking and there were problems with inserting random LF at times when I was punching a tape. None of that was cured by localized lubrication on the spots I could reach inside on the transmitter base.  I finally decided to remove the keyboard cover to try cleaning/re-lubricating the Space bar mechanism at the very least.  Once I saw the full condition of the key tops, I decided to proceed with a full cleaning of the keys.  I also decided that I would clean them one-by-one to avoid any confusion.
>
> I flushed the mechanism/springs with degreaser followed by a water rinse and then dried the mechanism with a heat gun.  I tried cleaning the key tops with my old reliable, Simple Green, and even 409, but not even that was completely removing the brown residue. I was afraid to leave anything soaking in Simple Green for very long.  I tried some other cleaning products at hand but nothing helped much.
>
> Then I found an aerosol can of an automotive product I bought several years ago being sold at a local fuel station ostensibly for charity.  I had not paid much attention to the product.  It sprays out to create a soupy foam.  The product was labeled "Cleaning Wax" and is by Fast Wax (www.fastwax.com).  I do not see the exact product listed now on their website but perhaps the "General Cleaner" is the same.  I started by spraying a shallow puddle of this stuff in a bowl and letting the key top sit for a few minutes before rubbing it with a cloth.  Most of the residue from the key top disappeared easily.  Even the metal stud was clean.  But, there would occasionally be some brown residue left. This sometimes could be removed with applying a lot of "elbow grease" but I also found if I soaked the key top again or let it sit in the cleaner longer that the residue would be completely removed.  I just left one key top sitting in the stuff overnight and it came completely clean with no effort.  This obviously will take a long time doing this one at a time but I am not willing to risk mixing up the keys!  Attached are some "before and after" pictures of one of the worst key tops.  I have about one-third to one-half of the key tops cleaned at this point.  I am oiling the pivot points as I re-attach the key tops.
>
> 73
> Kevin
> W5TTY
>
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Tue Apr  5 08:57:25 2022
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 08:57:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] cleaning 28ASR keys
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The plastic was developed by Eastman Kodak Chemical Co. in Kingsport, 
Tenn. to utilize abundant pine forests as a feedstock. The idea was to 
make wood into an easily moldable material.? I believe it was introduced 
in the early 1930s, it became quite popular, and continued into the 
1990s at least. Older formulas of it warp, shrink, get moldy and mildewy 
in a damp environment, and give off a somewhat unpleasant odor, 
especially when heated or worked. It is stronger in compression than 
tension or deflection.

 ?? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY



On 4/5/22 7:30, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Where was Tenite made and what time period?? I had wondered what the 
> keys were made of.
>
>
> 73
>
> Kevin
>
> W5TTY
>
> On 4/4/2022 11:03 AM, Bruce Gentry via GreenKeys wrote:
>>
>> The keys are made of Tenite plastic or one of it's derivatives, made 
>> from cellulose.? It molds and mildews badly. In worse cases, the mold 
>> sort of corrodes the surface, and a mild abrasive polishing compound 
>> is needed to make the surface smooth again. Tenite aslo has a 
>> distinktive odor when heated or worked. I spent my youth in the place 
>> it was made, pieces of the plastic were easy to get, and the whole 
>> town had an "air" about it. Typists , however, liked the feel and 
>> "touch" of keys made of it, and it was quite popular for keyboards.
>>
>> ??? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>>
>> On 4/4/22 6:35, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:
>>> I know that others who have worked with these machines have 
>>> encountered similar problems but I can't remember the exact products 
>>> used to clean the keys and thought I would post about something I 
>>> "discovered" while working on the machine I picked up a few weeks 
>>> ago in Houston, TX.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> W5TTY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  5 14:21:41 2022
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:21:41 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] off topic - vacuum tube lamp
Message-ID: <SN6PR03MB39977E3A7D96CA6030D0BB65AFE49@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

The vacuum tube lamp I was working on now for over a month is finally finished!!!

I acquired this tub a few years ago online from a Russian seller. It is a GM-100 triode tube, the biggest one ever built. The tube is tanding 18 inches tall and the overall height of the lamp us about 24 inches.

Attached are a few pics.

And here are some details for the propeller heads ?

There is a 15VDC 30amp power supply inside of the base along with a variable 12V 5amp supply for the blue LED's. The filament/heater runs actually on 17V but I decided not to run the heater that hard.

The base is made out of black acrylic and I covered the top of the base with carbon fiber and epoxy. The two disks on top are clear acrylic. All acrylic pieces were cut and polished by myself. All hardware is either stainless steel or chrome plated.
The bottom holder for the tube is actually a 3" muffler coupler with only one millimeters to spare - a perfect fit.
The lamp turns on/off via remote control. The receiver is also hidden inside of the base.

Still on my workbench in my shop for some detail cleaning and hopefully the rain will stop so I can bring this beautiful piece of artwork inside the house.

It was a fun but extremely time consuming and challenging project.

Wondering what the next project will be ?

Maybe to build a robot to do my dishes and clean the house every day ?

Enjoy the pics.

Nick  -  N0NCQ


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From mmcauley at cox.net  Tue Apr  5 14:28:27 2022
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2022 11:28:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] off topic - vacuum tube lamp
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Nicely done! Very good lookingMike
-------- Original message --------From: Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> Date: 4/5/22  11:24 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: [GreenKeys] off topic - vacuum tube lamp 
The vacuum tube lamp I was working on now for over a month is finally finished!!!


I acquired this tub a few years ago online from a Russian seller. It is a GM-100 triode tube, the biggest one ever built. The tube is tanding 18 inches tall and the overall height of the lamp us about 24 inches.

Attached are a few pics.

And here are some details for the propeller heads ?

There is a 15VDC 30amp power supply inside of the base along with a variable 12V 5amp supply for the blue LED's. The filament/heater runs actually on 17V but I decided not to run the heater that hard.

The base is made out of black acrylic and I covered the top of the base with carbon fiber and epoxy. The two disks on top are clear acrylic. All acrylic pieces were cut and polished by myself. All hardware is either stainless steel or chrome plated.
The bottom holder for the tube is actually a 3" muffler coupler with only one millimeters to spare - a perfect fit.

The lamp turns on/off via remote control. The receiver is also hidden inside of the base.

Still on my workbench in my shop for some detail cleaning and hopefully the rain will stop so I can bring this beautiful piece of artwork inside the house.

It was a fun but extremely time consuming and challenging project. 

Wondering what the next project will be ?

Maybe to build a robot to do my dishes and clean the house every day ?


Enjoy the pics.


Nick? -? N0NCQ?





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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Tue Apr  5 16:02:04 2022
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 20:02:04 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  off topic - vacuum tube lamp
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From: Nick [creativegardening at hotmail.com] -- Tuesday, April 5, 2022 1:21 PM

> I acquired this tub a few years ago online from a Russian seller. It is a GM-100 triode tube, the biggest one ever built. 

The overall dimensions look similar to the Eimac 750TL, which also measures 18 inches tall but has a spherical body and a grid cap sticking diagonally out the side.  I had one, see this photo:
-- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Eimac_vacuum_tubes#/media/File:JAN-750TL-tube.jpg

I ended up donating it to the U of Iowa Physics Department, which has a small museum of such stuff.

One noteworthy feature is that, in use, the plate would typically be red hot, heated in part by the filament, but moreso by the electrons slamming into it.  The Eimac 750 was rated at 750 watts DC power, 1KW RF.  Applications in the data sheet included running DC servomotors and running stadium PA systems.

I have seen a power triode that was close to a yard (meter) long, so your tube and the one I had are hardly the largest ever made.  My father used to have one in his office with a plate cap that was perhaps 18 inches long and 4 inches in diameter.  The plate cap was the plate electrode, with the filament and grid cantelevered from the base to hang inside the plate.  The cap was designed to be water cooled, so you'd clamp the cooling coils to the plate to make both electrical and thermal contact with the plate.  The body was a thick glass globe with a short stubby grid cap poking out the side and pins on the base for the filament power.  That tube is now in the departmental collection of the U of Michigan physics department.  It used to power a cyclotron back in the 1950s.

Here's a modern datasheet for a 20 KW tube.
-- https://s1.manualzz.com/store/data/014170404_1-19303e27fee3cc4f35e343c26e397d5d.png
I love the fact that the filament power on this tube is 750 watts.  Like other water cooled tubes, of course, it would make a lousy lamp, since the filament is inside the solid metal plate assembly, and in this and other modern examples, the insulating parts are all opaque ceramic.

          Doug Jones
          jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  5 19:27:13 2022
From: raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com (steve bennett)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 23:27:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] off topic - vacuum tube lamp
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 Beautiful! I love it!-Steve
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 02:24:55 PM EDT, Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
  The vacuum tube lamp I was working on now for over a month is finally finished!!!
I acquired this tub a few years ago online from a Russian seller. It is a GM-100 triode tube, the biggest one ever built. The tube is tanding 18 inches tall and the overall height of the lamp us about 24 inches.

Attached are a few pics.

And here are some details for the propeller heads ?

There is a 15VDC 30amp power supply inside of the base along with a variable 12V 5amp supply for the blue LED's. The filament/heater runs actually on 17V but I decided not to run the heater that hard.

The base is made out of black acrylic and I covered the top of the base with carbon fiber and epoxy. The two disks on top are clear acrylic. All acrylic pieces were cut and polished by myself. All hardware is either stainless steel or chrome plated.
The bottom holder for the tube is actually a 3" muffler coupler with only one millimeters to spare - a perfect fit.
The lamp turns on/off via remote control. The receiver is also hidden inside of the base.

Still on my workbench in my shop for some detail cleaning and hopefully the rain will stop so I can bring this beautiful piece of artwork inside the house.

It was a fun but extremely time consuming and challenging project. 

Wondering what the next project will be ?

Maybe to build a robot to do my dishes and clean the house every day ?
Enjoy the pics.
Nick? -? N0NCQ?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Apr  5 20:13:40 2022
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:13:40 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TU-170 Analysis
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I've started an analysis of the circuitry of the TU-170, especially the
demodulator. It's at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/tu170/spice/ .

My next step is to cascade three mark band pass filters and see what looks
like. On my DSP TU, I'm going to add constants that determine the Q of the
BPFs and the number of filters cascaded, then try running audio through to
see how it performs. I have recorded impaired audio at
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/ .

Comments welcome!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Tue Apr  5 21:55:30 2022
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Bruce Gentry)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:55:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] off topic - vacuum tube lamp
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB50034D4B7209B9C6143CF507A8E49@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Your mention of a cyclotron brought up the memory of another particle 
accelerator, the Bevatron. There was a good description and journal of 
it's dismantling on the web. I wonder if it used any huge? tubes. 
Because of when it was built, huge air cooled external anode were more 
common for high power and probably not very spectacular. The largest 
glass tube I ever saw up close was in a General Electric height finder 
radar. It was a thyratron modulator, probably about 18 inches tall and 
10 or 12 inches in diameter. It had some nice blue glows when operating, 
but nothing that would light a room.

 ? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
On 4/5/22 16:02, Jones, Douglas W wrote:
> From: Nick [creativegardening at hotmail.com] -- Tuesday, April 5, 2022 1:21 PM
>
>> I acquired this tub a few years ago online from a Russian seller. It is a GM-100 triode tube, the biggest one ever built.
> The overall dimensions look similar to the Eimac 750TL, which also measures 18 inches tall but has a spherical body and a grid cap sticking diagonally out the side.  I had one, see this photo:
> -- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Eimac_vacuum_tubes#/media/File:JAN-750TL-tube.jpg
>
> I ended up donating it to the U of Iowa Physics Department, which has a small museum of such stuff.
>
> One noteworthy feature is that, in use, the plate would typically be red hot, heated in part by the filament, but moreso by the electrons slamming into it.  The Eimac 750 was rated at 750 watts DC power, 1KW RF.  Applications in the data sheet included running DC servomotors and running stadium PA systems.
>
> I have seen a power triode that was close to a yard (meter) long, so your tube and the one I had are hardly the largest ever made.  My father used to have one in his office with a plate cap that was perhaps 18 inches long and 4 inches in diameter.  The plate cap was the plate electrode, with the filament and grid cantelevered from the base to hang inside the plate.  The cap was designed to be water cooled, so you'd clamp the cooling coils to the plate to make both electrical and thermal contact with the plate.  The body was a thick glass globe with a short stubby grid cap poking out the side and pins on the base for the filament power.  That tube is now in the departmental collection of the U of Michigan physics department.  It used to power a cyclotron back in the 1950s.
>
> Here's a modern datasheet for a 20 KW tube.
> -- https://s1.manualzz.com/store/data/014170404_1-19303e27fee3cc4f35e343c26e397d5d.png
> I love the fact that the filament power on this tube is 750 watts.  Like other water cooled tubes, of course, it would make a lousy lamp, since the filament is inside the solid metal plate assembly, and in this and other modern examples, the insulating parts are all opaque ceramic.
>
>            Doug Jones
>            jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Wed Apr  6 05:45:51 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 04:45:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] half-way there
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I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.? This picture 
gives an idea of the progress.? The Tape B.Sp. key will be a challenge 
since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are several tiny 
parts there I do not want to risk losing.


73

Kevin

W5TTY


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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 06:31:18 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 06:31:18 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] half-way there
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The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a pair of needle
nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.
I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I got from
Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my particular
keyboard installation.  FYI, If you ever encounter a Keyboard that has Z
and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the code bars
in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard its not a
simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.

The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is rusty they can
be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the other required some
lube and muscle.
I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>
wrote:

> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.  This picture
> gives an idea of the progress.  The Tape B.Sp. key will be a challenge
> since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are several tiny
> parts there I do not want to risk losing.
>
>
> 73
>
> Kevin
>
> W5TTY
>
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 06:53:30 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 06:53:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] half-way there
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For anyone else that is curious... How they come apart. I had PM'd Kevin
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 07:30:12 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 07:30:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] half-way there
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The Keytop and Pallette bulletin 1164 details a bunch of the keytop and arm
combinations but NOT ALL OF THEM.

There is a bulletin for Foreign keys and Pallettes and code bars that is a
bit more detailed.
I had hit Paul up on some of the Cryllic pallets a year or so ago as I had
all the part numbers but he did not have
any of them...
Teletype part numbers 344872 thru 344939 if any of you might have
them.......
(upper or lower just want the set of 33 characters but I would take all 67
in the set.....).



On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:53 AM Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For anyone else that is curious... How they come apart. I had PM'd Kevin
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From kn7sfz at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 10:10:08 2022
From: kn7sfz at gmail.com (kn7sfz)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 07:10:08 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] half-way there
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Wow...and just Wow!

Exemplary!

Richard kn7sfz

On 4/6/2022 2:45 AM, Kevin H. Phillips wrote:
> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.? This 
> picture gives an idea of the progress.? The Tape B.Sp. key will be a 
> challenge since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are 
> several tiny parts there I do not want to risk losing.
>
>
> 73
>
> Kevin
>
> W5TTY
>
>
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From patrickjankowiak at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  6 13:33:22 2022
From: patrickjankowiak at yahoo.com (Patrick Jankowiak)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:33:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine -please it needs a good home.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7827.1649242439.3600.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.7827.1649242439.3600.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
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There is a teletype machine in very good complete mechanical condition in Gainesville, Texas. The paint has not done well but otherwise it was pretty clean. I hope someone will give it a good home.

It's briefly shown in the video here at 55 seconds in.

https://bunkerofdoom.com/hoard4/MVI_0815.MP4

I live in Dallas. Pick up in Gainesville, TX by appointment on weekend. 
If possible please bring helper and a 2-wheeler/hand truck.

As can be seen in the video leading up to it, a few small things need moved - but what you see behind the TS-505 VTVMs is actually a door, so it's easier than it looks. 

There's plenty of other stuff to rummage around for, and a farmhouse the owner will happily tell about and show you the specific haunted room. If you want.


Thank you,
Patrick


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The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a pair of needle
nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.
I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I got from
Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my particular
keyboard installation.? FYI, If you ever encounter a Keyboard that has Z
and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the code bars
in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard its not a
simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.

The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is rusty they can
be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the other required some
lube and muscle.
I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>
wrote:

> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.? This picture
> gives an idea of the progress.? The Tape B.Sp. key will be a challenge
> since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are several tiny
> parts there I do not want to risk losing.
>
>
> 73
>
> Kevin
>
> W5TTY
>
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 17:15:17 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:15:17 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine -please it needs a good home.
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I'm more interested in the haunted room than the Machine!!!
:-D



On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:26 PM Patrick Jankowiak via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> There is a teletype machine in very good complete mechanical condition in
> Gainesville, Texas. The paint has not done well but otherwise it was pretty
> clean. I hope someone will give it a good home.
>
> It's briefly shown in the video here at 55 seconds in.
>
> https://bunkerofdoom.com/hoard4/MVI_0815.MP4
>
> I live in Dallas. Pick up in Gainesville, TX by appointment on weekend.
> If possible please bring helper and a 2-wheeler/hand truck.
>
> As can be seen in the video leading up to it, a few small things need
> moved - but what you see behind the TS-505 VTVMs is actually a door, so
> it's easier than it looks.
>
> There's plenty of other stuff to rummage around for, and a farmhouse the
> owner will happily tell about and show you the specific haunted room. If
> you want.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 05:58:52 AM CDT,
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> The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a pair of needle
> nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.
> I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I got from
> Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my particular
> keyboard installation.  FYI, If you ever encounter a Keyboard that has Z
> and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the code bars
> in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard its not a
> simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.
>
> The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is rusty they can
> be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the other required some
> lube and muscle.
> I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.  This picture
> > gives an idea of the progress.  The Tape B.Sp. key will be a challenge
> > since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are several tiny
> > parts there I do not want to risk losing.
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > W5TTY
> >
> >
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Wed Apr  6 17:39:47 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 16:39:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine -please it needs a good home.
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	Is the owner looking to sell the machine (and any of the other
things)?? There seem to be a lot of interesting items.? It is
probably a 3+ hour drive for me but I could get it if no one is closer
who can or wants to.


	?


	Kevin


	?


	> There is a teletype machine in very good complete mechanical
condition in

	> Gainesville, Texas. The paint has not done well but otherwise it
was

	> pretty clean. I hope someone will give it a good home.

	>

	> It's briefly shown in the video here at 55 seconds in.

	>

	> https://bunkerofdoom.com/hoard4/MVI_0815.MP4

	>

	> I live in Dallas. Pick up in Gainesville, TX by appointment on
weekend.

	> If possible please bring helper and a 2-wheeler/hand truck.

	>

	> As can be seen in the video leading up to it, a few small things
need

	> moved - but what you see behind the TS-505 VTVMs is actually a door,
so

	> it's easier than it looks.

	>

	> There's plenty of other stuff to rummage around for, and a farmhouse
the

	> owner will happily tell about and show you the specific haunted
room. If

	> you want.

	>

	>

	> Thank you,

	> Patrick

	>

	>

	> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 05:58:52 AM CDT,

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	From: Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>

	> To: "Kevin H. Phillips"
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	> The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a pair
of

	> needle

	> nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.

	> I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I got
from

	> Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my

	> particular

	> keyboard installation.?? FYI, If you ever encounter a
Keyboard that has Z

	> and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the code
bars

	> in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard its
not a

	> simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.

	>

	> The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is rusty
they

	> can

	> be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the
other required some

	> lube and muscle.

	> I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.

	>

	>

	> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips
<kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>

	> wrote:

	>

	>> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this
machine.?? This

	>> picture

	>> gives an idea of the progress.?? The Tape B.Sp. key
will be a challenge

	>> since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are
several tiny

	>> parts there I do not want to risk losing.

	>>

	>>

	>> 73

	>>

	>> Kevin

	>>

	>> W5TTY

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Apr  6 21:48:26 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 20:48:26 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine -please it needs a good home.
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If someone is interested in this, you may also be interested in a 14 TD or 14 tape printer to go with it?  FTGH, pick up in Richardson.   I might be coerced to meet somewhere if not too far from Richardson. 

John, W9DDD


> On Apr 6, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Patrick Jankowiak via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> There is a teletype machine in very good complete mechanical condition in Gainesville, Texas. The paint has not done well but otherwise it was pretty clean. I hope someone will give it a good home.
> 
> It's briefly shown in the video here at 55 seconds in.
> 
> https://bunkerofdoom.com/hoard4/MVI_0815.MP4
> 
> I live in Dallas. Pick up in Gainesville, TX by appointment on weekend. 
> If possible please bring helper and a 2-wheeler/hand truck.
> 
> As can be seen in the video leading up to it, a few small things need moved - but what you see behind the TS-505 VTVMs is actually a door, so it's easier than it looks. 
> 
> There's plenty of other stuff to rummage around for, and a farmhouse the owner will happily tell about and show you the specific haunted room. If you want.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> Patrick
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 05:58:52 AM CDT, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 
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> 
> The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a pair of needle
> nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.
> I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I got from
> Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my particular
> keyboard installation.  FYI, If you ever encounter a Keyboard that has Z
> and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the code bars
> in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard its not a
> simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.
> 
> The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is rusty they can
> be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the other required some
> lube and muscle.
> I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.  This picture
>> gives an idea of the progress.  The Tape B.Sp. key will be a challenge
>> since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are several tiny
>> parts there I do not want to risk losing.
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> W5TTY
>> 
>> 
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From pbirkel at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 06:13:24 2022
From: pbirkel at gmail.com (pbirkel at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 06:13:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
Message-ID: <014001d84a68$1df9e440$59edacc0$@gmail.com>

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194960451335

 

How high will it go?  Starting $1,000.00; $1,500.00 BIN.  $60 shipping from
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From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  7 08:11:24 2022
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 14:11:24 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
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Even  $ 1.500 BIN is a good price for a machine in such condition.
You even will not find it cheaper in Europe...

A bargain when really already located in the U.S.


Henning DF3OE
Edemissen/Germany
i-Telex 925302 etc.





Am Do., 7. Apr. 2022 um 12:13 Uhr schrieb <pbirkel at gmail.com>:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/194960451335
>
>
>
> How high will it go?  Starting $1,000.00; $1,500.00 BIN.  $60 shipping
> from Ohio.
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 08:13:04 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 08:13:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
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Price wise the Hell's are all over the map, I've seen them sell for a grand
and I've seen them sell working for $350

Dude or Dudette has a buy it now.... you too can have it for $1500.
But not me!

This one is missing cabels and they say "I've never powered it on"
I think thats like eBay code for Caveat Emptor!! LOL! ;-)

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 6:14 AM <pbirkel at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/194960451335
>
>
>
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> from Ohio.
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 08:20:01 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 08:20:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
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These were European selling prices from 2012 thru 2022
https://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/pdf-hell/Hellschreiber-eqpmt-parts-prices.pdf


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From df3oe.henning at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  7 08:25:33 2022
From: df3oe.henning at googlemail.com (Henning Treumann)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 14:25:33 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBQrzHGgwa+2MrXOT_X1y6u815k4vvWFhdwErUGDCWcu4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <014001d84a68$1df9e440$59edacc0$@gmail.com>
	<CAGcpztiEfHR+_3ygRTrkMPNHjb1VRZM5fyG3RpJs2A7wXjwByQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPs7XBQrzHGgwa+2MrXOT_X1y6u815k4vvWFhdwErUGDCWcu4w@mail.gmail.com>
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And what did I say... ;-)
average price in Europe is around 1.500 ? for a complete machine WITH front
cover.

When there appears a machine on a German hamfest it will be sold after
short time
when the price is around  ? 1,000 - 1,500.

For my one in my collection I paid ? 500 for a wreck without front cover
that needed a complete restoration.

Henning DF3OE


Am Do., 7. Apr. 2022 um 14:20 Uhr schrieb Joe Duszy?ski <
joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>:

> These were European selling prices from 2012 thru 2022
>
> https://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/pdf-hell/Hellschreiber-eqpmt-parts-prices.pdf
>
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Apr  7 09:34:50 2022
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 09:34:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
In-Reply-To: <014001d84a68$1df9e440$59edacc0$@gmail.com>
References: <014001d84a68$1df9e440$59edacc0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5485eca7-cf14-62c3-4966-1882a24ef8a2@earthlink.net>

This was the original dot-matrix printer.

Teletype Corp. made a compatible unit known as the Model 17.

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 07-Apr-22 06:13, pbirkel at gmail.com wrote:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/194960451335
>
> How high will it go?? Starting $1,000.00; $1,500.00 BIN.? $60 shipping 
> from Ohio.
>
> -----
>
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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 10:10:14 2022
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 10:10:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
In-Reply-To: <CAGcpzthwdECHFtd=o1LS-WjrERcz7am_fEp+Sf3EaZQXSg0+0A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGcpztiEfHR+_3ygRTrkMPNHjb1VRZM5fyG3RpJs2A7wXjwByQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPs7XBQrzHGgwa+2MrXOT_X1y6u815k4vvWFhdwErUGDCWcu4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcpzthwdECHFtd=o1LS-WjrERcz7am_fEp+Sf3EaZQXSg0+0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+H6KCnkUaBRh0MLDFBCheDQyFwTAaPo4p8L=aC3xyuH2p=R8A@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like someone grabbed it!

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:27 AM Henning Treumann via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> And what did I say... ;-)
> average price in Europe is around 1.500 ? for a complete machine WITH
> front cover.
>
> When there appears a machine on a German hamfest it will be sold after
> short time
> when the price is around  ? 1,000 - 1,500.
>
> For my one in my collection I paid ? 500 for a wreck without front cover
> that needed a complete restoration.
>
> Henning DF3OE
>
>
> Am Do., 7. Apr. 2022 um 14:20 Uhr schrieb Joe Duszy?ski <
> joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>:
>
>> These were European selling prices from 2012 thru 2022
>>
>> https://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/pdf-hell/Hellschreiber-eqpmt-parts-prices.pdf
>>
>>
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Apr  7 11:32:37 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 17:32:37 +0200
Subject: [GreenKeys] WW2 German teletype "Feldfernschreiber" machine
In-Reply-To: <CA+H6KCnkUaBRh0MLDFBCheDQyFwTAaPo4p8L=aC3xyuH2p=R8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+H6KCnkUaBRh0MLDFBCheDQyFwTAaPo4p8L=aC3xyuH2p=R8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E10CA739-7C75-45FD-B32F-0C1A7C3AFF09@comcast.net>

Hopefully someone in greenkeys.  Let us know more about it when you get it.

Paul
W2TTY

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> On Apr 7, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Andy KN4UCL <kn4ucl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looks like someone grabbed it!
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:27 AM Henning Treumann via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> And what did I say... ;-)  
>> average price in Europe is around 1.500 ? for a complete machine WITH front cover.
>> 
>> When there appears a machine on a German hamfest it will be sold after short time
>> when the price is around  ? 1,000 - 1,500.
>> 
>> For my one in my collection I paid ? 500 for a wreck without front cover that needed a complete restoration.
>> 
>> Henning DF3OE
>> 
>> 
>>> Am Do., 7. Apr. 2022 um 14:20 Uhr schrieb Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>:
>>> These were European selling prices from 2012 thru 2022
>>> https://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/pdf-hell/Hellschreiber-eqpmt-parts-prices.pdf
>>> 
>>>> 
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>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From t265frc10 at outlook.com  Thu Apr  7 19:55:50 2022
From: t265frc10 at outlook.com (Mark)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 17:55:50 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] off topic - vacuum tube lamp
Message-ID: <BYAPR06MB3975CBB61825B7ADF8C63F71EFE69@BYAPR06MB3975.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

I built this one several years ago

Based on a Eimac 2-450A

 

 

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From hillhaventelco at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 06:32:38 2022
From: hillhaventelco at gmail.com (Hill Haven Telco)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 06:32:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for an ASR-33 Teletype
Message-ID: <CAG6nJpmhxY5vh_1Zto5xFvHmDVb=TjT_Yop5qPS1ADO+VqXObw@mail.gmail.com>

Im looking for an ASR 33 Teletype,  I have an altair replica ive been
itching to build here and I awnt to be able to load basic from paper tape.

I also think it would make an awesome piece in my Step by Step Switchroom

Thanks

Located in Michigan.
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Fri Apr  8 12:27:41 2022
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 12:27:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for an ASR-33 Teletype
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 15:44:34 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 15:44:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - 3 ea. Western Union 2-B teletypes
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdCmr-BvohJx8KYRcu0R9Qr_dvJAWQ_N_QihOkY5CAwHA@mail.gmail.com>

Cabinets need repainting - looks like one complete unit plus two parts
units.
Pick up in Chapel Hill NC or I will deliver to Raleigh hamfest 4/16 or
Dayton/Xenia hamfest 5/20-21 or Shelby hamfest 9/2-3
I know nothing more - I just rescued them to keep them from being scrapped.
Photos at
https://www.virhistory.com/ham/wu-2b-2204/

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From james1787 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 20:00:04 2022
From: james1787 at gmail.com (james1787)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 20:00:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Diversity Converter - Free to a good home
Message-ID: <CAH_0CgaYKooJn6kyLNHs8cUFsE6XwE8bC_8TA9Eh1Q--0vZ1=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I've been helping clear out a SK's estate and we came across a Northern
Radio Company 174-1 RTTY Diversity Converter that would like a new home.
I'm hoping someone here would like it at no cost (although if someone needs
shipping, it would be for the cost of shipping). I am located in
Northern NJ.  It looks like it is missing a meter or two.. not sure if
anything else. It might be a parts donor or a good candidate for
restoration. Hoping someone here could find a use for it! What you see is
what you get.

73,
James KB2FCV

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From james1787 at aol.com  Sat Apr  9 20:09:19 2022
From: james1787 at aol.com (james1787 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 00:09:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY Diversity Converter - Free to a good home
References: <219231288.218053.1649549359149.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <219231288.218053.1649549359149@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,I've been helping clear out a SK's estate and we came across a Northern Radio Company 174-1 RTTY Diversity Converter that would like a new home. I'm hoping someone here would like it at no cost (although if someone needs shipping, it would be for the cost of shipping). I am located in Northern?NJ.? It looks like it is missing a meter or two.. not sure if anything else. It might be a parts donor or a good candidate for restoration. Hoping someone here could find a use for it! What you see is what you get.?
73,James KB2FCV
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 11:42:45 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 11:42:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - 3 ea. Western Union 2-B teletypes
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdCmr-BvohJx8KYRcu0R9Qr_dvJAWQ_N_QihOkY5CAwHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdCmr-BvohJx8KYRcu0R9Qr_dvJAWQ_N_QihOkY5CAwHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfw7pgDKE0TfCBhRBCo_Hih=Mg8Ef080sz9aXWFXK9eaQ@mail.gmail.com>

The 2-B units are all spoken for, pending arrangements for delivery.
Thanks for adopting these rescue machines...

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 3:44 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cabinets need repainting - looks like one complete unit plus two parts
> units.
> Pick up in Chapel Hill NC or I will deliver to Raleigh hamfest 4/16 or
> Dayton/Xenia hamfest 5/20-21 or Shelby hamfest 9/2-3
> I know nothing more - I just rescued them to keep them from being scrapped.
> Photos at
> https://www.virhistory.com/ham/wu-2b-2204/
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 16:02:51 2022
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:02:51 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 Typebox
Message-ID: <CAJK8692jb4FXfAuF-xRca5iGy9heq79pcx=6Fd-o7xPQu6vW0w@mail.gmail.com>

I need to move the apostrophe on a 28 typebox
from FIGS-S to FIGS-J.

I cannot figure out how to get the spring off.
It looks like it would be easy to snap back on.
But how do you get it off?


Tom N3CRK
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From nagle at animats.com  Sun Apr 10 13:35:59 2022
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:35:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys] FTGH - 3 ea. Western Union 2-B teletypes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8136.1649548834.3600.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.8136.1649548834.3600.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
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On 4/9/22 17:00, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> From: Nick England<navy.radio at gmail.com>

> Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - 3 ea. Western Union 2-B teletypes

> Cabinets need repainting - looks like one complete unit plus two parts
> units.

> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com

I've restored three of those machines. Don't need any more. Notes:

- One has a Holtzer-Cabot motor. That's a really early model,
   probably from the 1920s.
   One has a governed motor.  The standard synchronous GE motor
   from later machines is compatible. Plan on replacing those
   really old motors. I do have one original Holtzer-Cabot
   motor running, but it did arc over once. Tripped a GFCI.
   Always plug these things into a GFCI.

- Plan on replacing all the original wiring, which is varnished
   cloth and almost certainly cracked. But the wiring layout
   on those is trivial. There's motor power and a current loop;
   that's it.

- Add a fuse on the motor circuit. The original design
   from 1926 lacked one, and protection was apparently supposed to
   be provided by the WU table into which it plugged.

- Manuals here: http://aetherltd.com/manuals.html

				John Nagle


From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Sun Apr 10 16:49:57 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:49:57 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 28ASR KBD cleaning - finished
Message-ID: <022ab9a6-5ff0-5510-3e4f-cb121e6142ee@9-5usa.org>

I made a push to finish cleaning the keyboard on the 28ASR I recently 
acquired so it would not drag into next week.? I managed to get it all 
back together which surprised me a little bit.? One thing I would like 
to ask is was/is there some "secret" to getting the keyboard cover back 
on over the keys?? What I ended up doing was slipping it over the red 
keys first.? Then I found a small brass rod which was long enough to go 
across the keyboard.? I used that to keep the QWERTY key row lined up 
until I could get them slipped into the cover.? Then I used needle nose 
pliers to guide each key of the lower rows into place using the key stem.


The keys cleaned up well.? I stumbled upon another unorthodox solution.? 
I mentioned that I had used the Fast Wax product to soak the keys to 
remove the accumulated grime.? Some keys still had very slight hints of 
the brown stuff on them.? I tried another automotive product called 
Mothers Mag & Aluminum Polish to see if it would remove the last 
vestiges of the brown stuff.? It worked so well that I went back to each 
key, removed it, then polished with Mothers.? I would use one cloth to 
apply the cream, then rub it, then used a clean cloth to buff it.? I 
would go until the key felt very smooth with the clean cloth.? I will 
let you judge the results for yourself.? It really made the colors of 
the red keys pop out, I though.


Perhaps the best news for me is that this low-level cleaning seems to 
have solved the problem I was having with random LF's being punched on 
the tape.? I don't know if the keyboard cleaning did this or the extra 
oiling I tried to give the punch while I had the typing unit out.? I am 
attaching a photo of the keyboard as it was when I got the machine for 
comparison.


Another question I have is that on the "J" key there is an inverted 
triangle symbol.? The printer does print something there but it is hard 
to distinguish.? Was that symbol for anything in particular?


73


Kevin

W5TTY


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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 23:56:04 2022
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 23:56:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Restoring 28KSR
Message-ID: <CAJK8691=GvMoF8B8JN32Wz9vhMBj2ZT8Fp9uPVEWQ=U1z6rraw@mail.gmail.com>

First of all, Thanks to all for suggestions about
moving a type pallet. I will tackle that in the
morning when I am not so tired. That is the
last thing I need to finish off this KSR.

Today I rang out the wiring and got the bell
to work.

Then I tried cleaning ten keys at a time in my
ultrasonic cleaner.The hardest part was re-installing
the keys. I ending taking off the typer, unmounting
the base and standing it up on its back. That made
it a lot easier to snap the keys onto the right places.
The first photo shows them about three quarters done.
The second shows the finished keyboard.

They are not nearly as nice as Kevin's, but will
do for now. I am a hunt-and-peck typist and I
need to be able to see the keytops. I could not
before. Now I can.

The next big project will be to replace all the
keys on my ASR that show fractions. I pulled
replacements for all those from a totally junk
keyboard.


Tom   N3CRK
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From macbax1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 23:20:35 2022
From: macbax1 at gmail.com (Joe Clanin)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:20:35 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wire Wrap Tool
Message-ID: <CAK1UwOaA2BafmcDyreKJ-j+6P400V=74iDByOk3T0xX=ZN3O8A@mail.gmail.com>

Greenkeys,

I recently acquired a patch panel full of long frame 1/4" jacks and rewired
it for my needs using a homemade wire wrapping tool I fashioned myself.

I have several wire wrapping tools - powered but without the right tip and
hand tool versions but in the wrong diameter.

I'd like to find the appropriate tool for these long frame jacks. Can
someone point me in the right direction?

I appreciate the help.

Best,

Joe
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Apr 12 00:39:10 2022
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:39:10 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wire Wrap Tool
In-Reply-To: <CAK1UwOaA2BafmcDyreKJ-j+6P400V=74iDByOk3T0xX=ZN3O8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1UwOaA2BafmcDyreKJ-j+6P400V=74iDByOk3T0xX=ZN3O8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <399e76b6d25f3db971edee3a7e812f25.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Mon, April 11, 2022 8:20 pm, Joe Clanin wrote:
> Greenkeys,
>
> I recently acquired a patch panel full of long frame 1/4" jacks and
> rewired
> it for my needs using a homemade wire wrapping tool I fashioned myself.
>
> I have several wire wrapping tools - powered but without the right tip and
> hand tool versions but in the wrong diameter.
>
> I'd like to find the appropriate tool for these long frame jacks. Can
> someone point me in the right direction?
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe


Those are made by OK Industries. I see them on Grainger and other sites. I
used to have one that I used to wire wrap relay sockets. Now I have a
manual wrap tool I use on .025 inch pins for prototypes.

Harold


From djones at k6yic.com  Tue Apr 12 20:06:58 2022
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:06:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY article in CQ
Message-ID: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>

Interesting article in CQ about RTTY.  Has a couple of errors but it?s good to see a conversation still happing about the old machines and RTTY in general.  

Daniel 
K6YIC 

Sent from my iPhone

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 12 22:59:27 2022
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:59:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY article in CQ
In-Reply-To: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>
References: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204122154330.19404@Frances>

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022, Daniel Jones wrote:

> Interesting article in CQ about RTTY.  Has a couple of errors but it?s good to see a conversation still happing about the old machines and RTTY in general.
>
In the early years CQ was an important source of information about RTTY.
In fact I learned of the existence of RTTY through reading a CQ column
back about 1954.  That put me in touch with Merrill Swan W6AEE who 
published the RTTY magazine in Southern California.  Wayne Green W2NSD
was the original RTTY columnist in CQ before he became editor of the
magazine.

QST in those days rarely published anything about RTTY.  I think for one
thing the old guard were annoyed that early RTTY took up about a KHz of
bandwidth to transmit at 60 wpm and CW could transmit almost as fast with
a lot less bandwidth.  Probably too QST was biased in favor of things
you could build yourself or buy new - they didn't take surplus ads.  And
RTTY required that you find a used TTY machine which was hence surplus.

Jim W6JVE

From elb at kb8ojh.net  Wed Apr 13 06:44:49 2022
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:44:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY article in CQ
In-Reply-To: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>
References: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <YlapoWlaaEWtrrjn@colt.lan>

Daniel Jones wrote:
> Interesting article in CQ about RTTY.  Has a couple of errors but it?s
> good to see a conversation still happing about the old machines and
> RTTY in general.  

My Teletype supposedly appears in that article, although I don't have
a copy to verify.  (I'm also supposedly going to receive a copy.)
Someone from CQ asked if some of my photos could be used.  I did not
provide any technical information or other material.

Ethan

From pahp at d.umn.edu  Wed Apr 13 12:28:13 2022
From: pahp at d.umn.edu (Peter Peterson)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:28:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY article in CQ
In-Reply-To: <YlapoWlaaEWtrrjn@colt.lan>
References: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>
	<YlapoWlaaEWtrrjn@colt.lan>
Message-ID: <CALKwf_hHB5jw+4B8jVE4sA7k_w122cZAYkNr77qs0nnzWo5WzQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have to admit: I initially read that there was an article about RTTY in
*GQ* and I was extremely surprised to say the least.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 5:45 AM Ethan Blanton via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Daniel Jones wrote:
> > Interesting article in CQ about RTTY.  Has a couple of errors but it?s
> > good to see a conversation still happing about the old machines and
> > RTTY in general.
>
> My Teletype supposedly appears in that article, although I don't have
> a copy to verify.  (I'm also supposedly going to receive a copy.)
> Someone from CQ asked if some of my photos could be used.  I did not
> provide any technical information or other material.
>
> Ethan
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Apr 13 12:49:05 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:49:05 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY article in CQ
In-Reply-To: <YlapoWlaaEWtrrjn@colt.lan>
References: <27B894FE-EEB6-4827-97D0-6A366B1C15BA@k6yic.com>
	<YlapoWlaaEWtrrjn@colt.lan>
Message-ID: <367a1b1f-5a23-e764-4791-b0defd792166@tapr.org>

I managed to find your page on the M28 KSR.? I would recommend it to 
anyone just starting to get familiarized with their "new" M28. My 
experience with motors has been a little different.? Usually I find the 
leads from the base to the terminal strip cracked or so stiff it's only 
a matter of time before doing so.

You definitely want that 3rd wire ground power cord.? I have a stock of 
extra PC power cords that I keep on hand.? Cut off the IEC connector and 
use them to replace the cord on just about anything I restore.

---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 4/13/2022 5:44 AM, Ethan Blanton via GreenKeys wrote:
> Daniel Jones wrote:
>> Interesting article in CQ about RTTY.  Has a couple of errors but it?s
>> good to see a conversation still happing about the old machines and
>> RTTY in general.
> My Teletype supposedly appears in that article, although I don't have
> a copy to verify.  (I'm also supposedly going to receive a copy.)
> Someone from CQ asked if some of my photos could be used.  I did not
> provide any technical information or other material.
>
> Ethan
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Apr 13 13:31:25 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:31:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What kind of test is this?
Message-ID: <4e072e57-ecb1-d392-5d23-c57cc31b9a31@tapr.org>

I copied this while testing my reperf.

At first glance I'm thinking RYs, but no it isn't.

-- 
---
----
The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Wed Apr 13 14:26:48 2022
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:26:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] What kind of test is this?
In-Reply-To: <4e072e57-ecb1-d392-5d23-c57cc31b9a31@tapr.org>
References: <4e072e57-ecb1-d392-5d23-c57cc31b9a31@tapr.org>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Apr 13 16:44:58 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:44:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What kind of test is this?
In-Reply-To: <472617289.598802.1649874408756@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <4e072e57-ecb1-d392-5d23-c57cc31b9a31@tapr.org>
	<472617289.598802.1649874408756@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <BD2D0E6C-4864-4636-B508-E862D337A987@tapr.org>

History leading up to this.  Two weeks earlier I had mostly finished work on the reperforator.  It tested well at 45 and 75 baud.  Couldn't test 50 because I couldn't decode European tones.  Parts I ordered from Paul arrived and I installed them. 

Then I put the cover on and decided to test again to be sure I didn't mess up something.
That's when I punched the the tape seen in the picture.  My first reaction was a stuck bit.  But the other bits made no sense other than it was a repeating pattern and ran for a length like a line of RY.  

Luckily before I started tweaking things I realized the problem.  Turns out to be a case of sending at 45 baud and receiving at 75.  What kept me scratching my head for a while was the uniform repeating pattern for such a long period

So the test was a memory test.  Didn't remember switching the speed on the test source (Volpe board).

Putting the cover on didn't break things like seems to happen more frequently than not.

John, W9DDD


> On Apr 13, 2022, at 1:26 PM, WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> See card.
> 
> 
>> On 04/13/2022 1:31 PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I copied this while testing my reperf.
>> 
>> <tape-lng.jpg>
>> At first glance I'm thinking RYs, but no it isn't.
>> 
>> -- 
>> ---
>> ----
>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>> John, W9DDD
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From w8roi at wowway.com  Wed Apr 13 17:35:47 2022
From: w8roi at wowway.com (Ralph)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:35:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] What kind of test is this?
In-Reply-To: <BD2D0E6C-4864-4636-B508-E862D337A987@tapr.org>
References: <BD2D0E6C-4864-4636-B508-E862D337A987@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <2DE9B445-A41B-4432-8E1B-779458A54F79@wowway.com>

Bit 1  (at top, anyway,) shows only at each end of the ?test?.  Interesting display. 

Ralph - W8ROI

-   -   -   -   -   -   -   -

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 4:45 PM, John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> History leading up to this.  Two weeks earlier I had mostly finished work on the reperforator.  It tested well at 45 and 75 baud.  Couldn't test 50 because I couldn't decode European tones.  Parts I ordered from Paul arrived and I installed them. 
> 
> Then I put the cover on and decided to test again to be sure I didn't mess up something.
> That's when I punched the the tape seen in the picture.  My first reaction was a stuck bit.  But the other bits made no sense other than it was a repeating pattern and ran for a length like a line of RY.  
> 
> Luckily before I started tweaking things I realized the problem.  Turns out to be a case of sending at 45 baud and receiving at 75.  What kept me scratching my head for a while was the uniform repeating pattern for such a long period
> 
> So the test was a memory test.  Didn't remember switching the speed on the test source (Volpe board).
> 
> Putting the cover on didn't break things like seems to happen more frequently than not.
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 1:26 PM, WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> See card.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 04/13/2022 1:31 PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I copied this while testing my reperf.
>>> 
>>> <tape-lng.jpg>
>>> At first glance I'm thinking RYs, but no it isn't.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> ---
>>> ----
>>> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>>> John, W9DDD
>>> ______________________________________________________________ 
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From evan.jones279 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 01:55:33 2022
From: evan.jones279 at gmail.com (Evan Jones)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 00:55:33 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine -please it needs a good home.
In-Reply-To: <5F739AE3-6AE7-4226-BB82-B40B6D55DCC7@tapr.org>
References: <mailman.7827.1649242439.3600.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<1612465819.1382488.1649266402033@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5F739AE3-6AE7-4226-BB82-B40B6D55DCC7@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CACMrsRm8Ba2irAtqKK-ON8zhhm+p9NOM1PBMc2Uyn8btUQBxpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has someone picked it up yet? If not I am super interested.

-Evan Jones

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:49 PM John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> If someone is interested in this, you may also be interested in a 14 TD or
> 14 tape printer to go with it?  FTGH, pick up in Richardson.   I might be
> coerced to meet somewhere if not too far from Richardson.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
> > On Apr 6, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Patrick Jankowiak via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > There is a teletype machine in very good complete mechanical condition
> in Gainesville, Texas. The paint has not done well but otherwise it was
> pretty clean. I hope someone will give it a good home.
> >
> > It's briefly shown in the video here at 55 seconds in.
> >
> > https://bunkerofdoom.com/hoard4/MVI_0815.MP4
> >
> > I live in Dallas. Pick up in Gainesville, TX by appointment on weekend.
> > If possible please bring helper and a 2-wheeler/hand truck.
> >
> > As can be seen in the video leading up to it, a few small things need
> moved - but what you see behind the TS-505 VTVMs is actually a door, so
> it's easier than it looks.
> >
> > There's plenty of other stuff to rummage around for, and a farmhouse the
> owner will happily tell about and show you the specific haunted room. If
> you want.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 05:58:52 AM CDT,
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> wrote:
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> > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 06:31:18 -0400
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> > To: "Kevin H. Phillips" <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>,    Greenkeys
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> > The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a pair of
> needle
> > nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.
> > I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I got from
> > Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my
> particular
> > keyboard installation.  FYI, If you ever encounter a Keyboard that has Z
> > and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the code bars
> > in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard its not a
> > simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.
> >
> > The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is rusty they
> can
> > be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the other required
> some
> > lube and muscle.
> > I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.  This picture
> >> gives an idea of the progress.  The Tape B.Sp. key will be a challenge
> >> since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are several tiny
> >> parts there I do not want to risk losing.
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Thu Apr 14 07:26:04 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:26:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype machine -please it needs a good home.
In-Reply-To: <CACMrsRm8Ba2irAtqKK-ON8zhhm+p9NOM1PBMc2Uyn8btUQBxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.7827.1649242439.3600.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<1612465819.1382488.1649266402033@mail.yahoo.com>
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I e-mailed the person who posted the video (about the teleprinter) but 
never received a response.


Kevin

W5TTY

On 4/14/2022 12:55 AM, Evan Jones wrote:
> Has someone picked it up yet? If not I am super interested.
>
> -Evan Jones
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:49 PM John W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>
>     If someone is interested in this, you may also be interested in a
>     14 TD or 14 tape printer to go with it?? FTGH, pick up in
>     Richardson.? ?I might be coerced to meet somewhere if not too far
>     from Richardson.
>
>     John, W9DDD
>
>
>     > On Apr 6, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Patrick Jankowiak via GreenKeys
>     <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>     >
>     > There is a teletype machine in very good complete mechanical
>     condition in Gainesville, Texas. The paint has not done well but
>     otherwise it was pretty clean. I hope someone will give it a good
>     home.
>     >
>     > It's briefly shown in the video here at 55 seconds in.
>     >
>     > https://bunkerofdoom.com/hoard4/MVI_0815.MP4
>     >
>     > I live in Dallas. Pick up in Gainesville, TX by appointment on
>     weekend.
>     > If possible please bring helper and a 2-wheeler/hand truck.
>     >
>     > As can be seen in the video leading up to it, a few small things
>     need moved - but what you see behind the TS-505 VTVMs is actually
>     a door, so it's easier than it looks.
>     >
>     > There's plenty of other stuff to rummage around for, and a
>     farmhouse the owner will happily tell about and show you the
>     specific haunted room. If you want.
>     >
>     >
>     > Thank you,
>     > Patrick
>     >
>     >
>     > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 05:58:52 AM CDT,
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>     > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 06:31:18 -0400
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>     > The metal part can be pulled out of the plastic key. Using a
>     pair of needle
>     > nose pliers grasp the metal and pull the key off.
>     > I had to change a key that had the wrong metal arm in it that I
>     got from
>     > Paul, the top was the one I needed but the arm was wrong from my
>     particular
>     > keyboard installation.? FYI, If you ever encounter a Keyboard
>     that has Z
>     > and Y interchanged or an AZERTY keyboard you have to change the
>     code bars
>     > in the keyboard if you want it to act like an American keyboard
>     its not a
>     > simple fix like changing a top as the codes will still be wrong.
>     >
>     > The key and metal are held in with friction. If the metal is
>     rusty they can
>     > be "my ex wife" LOL! that said one came apart easy the other
>     required some
>     > lube and muscle.
>     > I can go take one apart and send a pic if you want.
>     >
>     >
>     > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:48 AM Kevin H. Phillips
>     <kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >> I am half-way done with cleaning the keys on this machine.?
>     This picture
>     >> gives an idea of the progress.? The Tape B.Sp. key will be a
>     challenge
>     >> since I think I would prefer to *not* remove it. There are
>     several tiny
>     >> parts there I do not want to risk losing.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> 73
>     >>
>     >> Kevin
>     >>
>     >> W5TTY
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 08:20:52 2022
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:20:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wayne's Paper Tape
Message-ID: <CAJK8692Bb8iedH3jSJ2cgOL+q2xT5fv-p6u_0EAnUVoPELuc5A@mail.gmail.com>

What I get is " LF M B V N I L N I L N I L N I L N I

I punched the same thing and it matches.


Tom   N3CRK
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From ka2wft at arrl.net  Thu Apr 14 11:03:14 2022
From: ka2wft at arrl.net (Doug Alderdice)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:03:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wayne's Paper Tape
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8692Bb8iedH3jSJ2cgOL+q2xT5fv-p6u_0EAnUVoPELuc5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a480bc67-96e6-4f7a-7ea1-947eed10ffd9@arrl.net>

I did the same thing.  I wondered if it was some sort of remote system 
test with the repeated "NIL" but then read how it was a speed setting 
problem.  Fun stuff!

Doug, KA2WFT

On 4/14/2022 8:20 AM, Tom Hunter wrote:
> What I get is " LF M B V N I L N I L N I L N I L N I
> 
> I punched the same thing and it matches.
> 
> 
> Tom?? N3CRK

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Thu Apr 14 13:20:00 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:20:00 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wayne's Paper Tape
In-Reply-To: <a480bc67-96e6-4f7a-7ea1-947eed10ffd9@arrl.net>
References: <CAJK8692Bb8iedH3jSJ2cgOL+q2xT5fv-p6u_0EAnUVoPELuc5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <096c9c1d-ccf1-2dd2-31c0-cb03cab06bb2@tapr.org>

The thing that threw me was that normally wrong speed = garbage. Well it 
was nonsense, but a repeating pattern of nonsense.? A repeated error 
tends to make one think of a sticky bit.

The test signal was a text file, called by a batch file into the Volpe 
board (COM5 in my case).? It would be nice if you could connect an 
external switch to the Volpe to switch baud rates if you wanted to box 
it with something like a Raspberry Pi for a test box.

I'd have to check, but I think I used list.com to edit the text file to 
get the proper CR CR LF LTRS sequence. (guess I could look at a punched 
tape to refresh my memory?)

---
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The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 4/14/2022 10:03 AM, Doug Alderdice wrote:
> I did the same thing.? I wondered if it was some sort of remote system 
> test with the repeated "NIL" but then read how it was a speed setting 
> problem.? Fun stuff!
>
> Doug, KA2WFT
>
> On 4/14/2022 8:20 AM, Tom Hunter wrote:
>> What I get is " LF M B V N I L N I L N I L N I L N I
>>
>> I punched the same thing and it matches.
>>
>>
>> Tom?? N3CRK
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
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From epvgk at limpoc.com  Thu Apr 14 13:28:44 2022
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (eric)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:28:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wayne's Paper Tape
In-Reply-To: <096c9c1d-ccf1-2dd2-31c0-cb03cab06bb2@tapr.org>
References: <CAJK8692Bb8iedH3jSJ2cgOL+q2xT5fv-p6u_0EAnUVoPELuc5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <41da3b9c82bae00cc18b8d4adcfcb095@limpoc.com>

On 2022-04-14 10:20, John, W9DDD wrote:

> The test signal was a text file, called by a batch file into the Volpe
> board (COM5 in my case).? It would be nice if you could connect an
> external switch to the Volpe to switch baud rates if you wanted to box
> it with something like a Raspberry Pi for a test box.

There's a version of the firmware (i think jordan has it too) that lets 
you send a special character over the USB interface (i believe I used 
"%" since it's not in ITA-2) to switch to config mode, rather than 
having to use the button.  Of course, it'd also be easy to tack a couple 
of wires across the button to bring it out externally, which would be 
pretty convenient .

eric

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 21:52:13 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:52:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Birthday Ideas for your Teletype.
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBQPAcVQR_Zuz8W2Kw2CgBozuFexVTO17bQoDpxkvbg7GQ@mail.gmail.com>

I did a card and present for my wifes birthday
Also did some anniversary cards for friends like this.
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From jdangus at att.net  Fri Apr 15 23:25:32 2022
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 22:25:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Birthday Ideas for your Teletype.
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBQPAcVQR_Zuz8W2Kw2CgBozuFexVTO17bQoDpxkvbg7GQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBQPAcVQR_Zuz8W2Kw2CgBozuFexVTO17bQoDpxkvbg7GQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46fa1f59-7f96-edd1-fc01-28e1bd419e98@att.net>

On 4/15/22 8:52 PM, Joe Duszy?ski wrote:
> I did a card and?present?for my wifes birthday
> Also did some anniversary?cards for friends like this.
Wait until she finds out they're full of chad.

-- 
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWI
www.foxsmercantile.com


From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 17:50:19 2022
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 16:50:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wanted- beginner looking for a teletype in MN
Message-ID: <1634032498.1231615.1650145833807@yahoo.com>

Hi all,?? ? I just found and registered for this form.? Im in Northern MN and looking for a teletype to restore for next winters project.? Open to almost anything. Like the model 19, 33, 15 ect? ? ?ThanksSent via the Samsung Galaxy Note20 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 10:57:44 2022
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:57:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butterflying paper tape
In-Reply-To: <6237EF66.21190.C9A8522@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
References: <6237EF66.21190.C9A8522@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er54_DBJ0qrgc5qmxFcd2ho+Ark=CAeskTm6NyJeetJXqCg@mail.gmail.com>

I am using 8 bit punched tape, but luckily I have large hands :)

Are you supposed to be able to feed the tape from the beginning? Would you
hang it off your finger or a nail? I tried and it twisted up on itself.

-Eric


On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:22 PM Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20 Mar 2022 at 21:40, Eric Moore wrote:
>
> > I think I successfully butterfly-ed a tape, see pic :)
>
> that's it !!   nice and neat ...  put a small rubber band
> around the middle,  or wrap the last 8" of tape around
> the middle to keep it from unfolding ...
>
> hang it on a nail on the wall   ;))
>
> of course, chadless tape is much easier to do it with,
> but good starting practice
>
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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 11:43:19 2022
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:43:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butterflying paper tape
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er54_DBJ0qrgc5qmxFcd2ho+Ark=CAeskTm6NyJeetJXqCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6237EF66.21190.C9A8522@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>,
	<CAE1er54_DBJ0qrgc5qmxFcd2ho+Ark=CAeskTm6NyJeetJXqCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <625C3597.11346.11B19751@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>

On 17 Apr 2022 at 9:57, Eric Moore wrote:

> I am using 8 bit punched tape, but luckily I have large hands :)
> 
> Are you supposed to be able to feed
> the tape from the beginning? Would you
> hang it off your finger or a nail? I
> tried and it twisted up on itself. 

when it is wound up on your hand in the 
'figure 8' style, you should be able to feed 
the tape out FROM THE CENTER and it will 
untwist left then right then left so that there 
are no twists going into the TD. 




From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 13:49:39 2022
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:49:39 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Butterflying paper tape
In-Reply-To: <7A5F9F6D-303E-41A3-954C-0BC1F06BE9B8@comcast.net>
References: <6237EF66.21190.C9A8522@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
	<CAE1er54_DBJ0qrgc5qmxFcd2ho+Ark=CAeskTm6NyJeetJXqCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<625C3597.11346.11B19751@jim.w2jc.gmail.com>
	<7A5F9F6D-303E-41A3-954C-0BC1F06BE9B8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAE1er56V6-g_QcJvk5tezDw626DRpVzsHkbHWNDbHmVnYGzvXA@mail.gmail.com>

I have two small hand winders and one full size crank winder. Winding
beginning to end on my hand.

In normal operations I have a tape catch that was purpose built for this
hanging off my computers reader. Once all the tape has spooled into the
catch I just take the end, put it on a winder, and wind it back up.

I recently acquired some fanfold paper tape, but do not have a fanfold
reader. It stacks itself neatly after being read.

-Eric



On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 12:43 PM Paul Heller <
coloradoradioclubwebmaster at gmail.com> wrote:

> It?s looking good, Eric. Once you get the hang of it, it?s fairly easy to
> do.  But also easily forgotten.
>
> Question: do you wind the tape on your hand from beginning to end, or end
> to beginning? I assume beginning to end, in the order it comes out the
> machine.
>
> For very long runs of tape, the winders are more useful in my opinion. The
> winders occasionally show up, but never the unwinders. I?ve been looking
> for years for an unwinder.  Maybe they were not very popular.
>
>
> Paul
> W2TTY
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Jim Cooper <jim.w2jc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 17 Apr 2022 at 9:57, Eric Moore wrote:
>
> I am using 8 bit punched tape, but luckily I have large hands :)
>
> Are you supposed to be able to feed
> the tape from the beginning? Would you
> hang it off your finger or a nail? I
> tried and it twisted up on itself.
>
>
> when it is wound up on your hand in the
> 'figure 8' style, you should be able to feed
> the tape out FROM THE CENTER and it will
> untwist left then right then left so that there
> are no twists going into the TD
>
>
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 20:28:01 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:28:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2000 RPM Teletype motor.
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBSHk0bn-9jqENMckk2gyP11T8qOg-_p6Xy9uu_1tVZ70w@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have a 2000 RPM synchronous  teletype motor they are willing to part
with?? PM Me if you do.

JD
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 21:55:14 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 21:55:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2000 RPM Teletype motor.
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBSHk0bn-9jqENMckk2gyP11T8qOg-_p6Xy9uu_1tVZ70w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBSHk0bn-9jqENMckk2gyP11T8qOg-_p6Xy9uu_1tVZ70w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBQsxwjNq4shtdY9qOLgnGOxZBe_PVuYdmNizuK+pTjGgg@mail.gmail.com>

Correction a "GOVERNED" motor capable of doing 2000RPM. Ooopsie on my part.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:28 PM Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone have a 2000 RPM synchronous  teletype motor they are willing to
> part with?? PM Me if you do.
>
> JD
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr 19 23:29:38 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:29:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon re-inker
Message-ID: <d0a147cb-ea1f-6217-3cba-979ba82d7c99@tapr.org>

I recently received a gift by mail.? Of course I had to rip it open 
right away.



I kind of hated to open the mil spec packaging, but I just had to.



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You said "tomorrow" yesterday.

The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr 19 23:39:51 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:39:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon re-inker part 2
Message-ID: <5a6d14f9-8f71-b054-f9b8-5e7797a0e4d2@tapr.org>

So here is the top layer in the box.



The bracket is considerably different from the ones I've seen for the 
15.? Frankly I haven't figured out how that attaches to the 14.

Then the ink well is the drum shaped thing at the bottom.? The top 
screws off to fill with ink, then there are several pin holes that allow 
the ink to seep out and saturate the felt.? It snaps into the large hole 
in the bracket.



-- 
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You said "tomorrow" yesterday.

The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr 19 23:54:22 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:54:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon re-inker part 3
Message-ID: <0b483659-3477-0b82-7b4a-be278fbf2768@tapr.org>

In the bottom layer of the box is the supplies and maintenance tools kit.





Here we have a package of replacement felts, a bottle of ink, a rod to 
clean the weep holes, a spare "well" and the mystery item.? I'm not sure 
what the plastic cylinder is for.



I couldn't find any indication that Stafford still exists.

I thought it strange that there were no installation instructions or 
"operators manual".? I guess that saves the labor needed to pitch them 
without reading.? Or the time to read them if some bone head actually 
decided to do so.

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You said "tomorrow" yesterday.

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From til128 at juno.com  Wed Apr 20 10:26:31 2022
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 14:26:31 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] 14 reinker
Message-ID: <20220420.102631.22213.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com>


For those that have these things they are mounted in the 14 reperf. See pix below.
 
As tor the large nylon/plastic piece that it to help facilitate the installing of the felts without stretching them out..
 
The large stepped end goes into the well and the felt is slipped over the tapered part and down over the well.
 
TT  
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From djones at k6yic.com  Thu Apr 21 20:05:14 2022
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:05:14 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 3 Autostart Reprints
Message-ID: <26096036-1777-4C6C-8AB1-997EF5E2DC5A@k6yic.com>

It was my mistake that when clicking metered mail it looks like it will keep retransmitting the same thing over and over.  You should get 3 copies of the 3 day weather forecast and the 45 day forecast.  Its printing right now.

If you don?t want to waste the paper please turn your machines off for the next 10-15 minutes.

I apologize for the inconvenience


Daniel Jones (K6YIC)
DJones at k6yic.com
http://K6YIC.com
HH Phone #11973




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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 21 20:22:23 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 20:22:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] 3 Autostart Reprints
In-Reply-To: <26096036-1777-4C6C-8AB1-997EF5E2DC5A@k6yic.com>
References: <26096036-1777-4C6C-8AB1-997EF5E2DC5A@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBTzOw4=Ux_4-VzeN2xx-G8_OXfi=82zSrbPjswp3oNu4Q@mail.gmail.com>

LOL I needed the weather a lot! LOL :-D

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:06 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:

> It was my mistake that when clicking metered mail it looks like it will
> keep retransmitting the same thing over and over.  You should get 3 copies
> of the 3 day weather forecast and the 45 day forecast.  Its printing right
> now.
>
> If you don?t want to waste the paper please turn your machines off for the
> next 10-15 minutes.
>
> I apologize for the inconvenience
>
>
> Daniel Jones (K6YIC)
> DJones at k6yic.com
> http://K6YIC.com
> HH Phone #11973
>
>
>
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 21 20:35:31 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 18:35:31 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] 3 Autostart Reprints
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBTzOw4=Ux_4-VzeN2xx-G8_OXfi=82zSrbPjswp3oNu4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBTzOw4=Ux_4-VzeN2xx-G8_OXfi=82zSrbPjswp3oNu4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B61627B2-9CD0-4275-A517-AB86B905A97E@comcast.net>

As soon as I saw Daniel?s email I killed it. But alas I was too late. 

Paul
W2TTY

ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
ITTY100: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> LOL I needed the weather a lot! LOL :-D 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:06 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
>> It was my mistake that when clicking metered mail it looks like it will keep retransmitting the same thing over and over.  You should get 3 copies of the 3 day weather forecast and the 45 day forecast.  Its printing right now.
>> 
>> If you don?t want to waste the paper please turn your machines off for the next 10-15 minutes.
>> 
>> I apologize for the inconvenience
>> 
>> 
>> Daniel Jones (K6YIC)
>> DJones at k6yic.com
>> http://K6YIC.com
>> HH Phone #11973
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From djones at k6yic.com  Thu Apr 21 20:40:23 2022
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:40:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] 3 Autostart Reprints
In-Reply-To: <B61627B2-9CD0-4275-A517-AB86B905A97E@comcast.net>
References: <B61627B2-9CD0-4275-A517-AB86B905A97E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <58BE496C-9530-402B-A131-2299CF25120A@k6yic.com>

Thanks for killing it.  

It?s a useful forcast for anyone into DX etc? but it?s only useful once.  Lol


Daniel

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 21, 2022, at 17:36, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?As soon as I saw Daniel?s email I killed it. But alas I was too late. 
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> 
> ITTY: 		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> ITTY100: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: 	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> LOL I needed the weather a lot! LOL :-D 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:06 PM Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
>>> It was my mistake that when clicking metered mail it looks like it will keep retransmitting the same thing over and over.  You should get 3 copies of the 3 day weather forecast and the 45 day forecast.  Its printing right now.
>>> 
>>> If you don?t want to waste the paper please turn your machines off for the next 10-15 minutes.
>>> 
>>> I apologize for the inconvenience
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Daniel Jones (K6YIC)
>>> DJones at k6yic.com
>>> http://K6YIC.com
>>> HH Phone #11973
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>> 
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>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 16:40:53 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:40:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] WTD - M15 printer (Chambersburg PA)
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdfHg-KCuWm5U18cfLiMFnSpnvn6ejYh3r3Hi0ToKKZFg@mail.gmail.com>

Just talked with Ethan KC3LXJ who would like to find a M15 printer. Said he
just missed out on one at a recent hamfest and would like to find one.
He's located just off I-81 at PA-MD border
Contact Ethan at wolfman9291 at yahoo.com if you can help.

Cheers,
Nick K4NYW
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 21:24:56 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:24:56 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Futuristic Galaxie platen - far out, man!
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>

NOS platen - magic ingredient ULLISTALLITENE!

https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/roanoke/

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 21:58:34 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:58:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Futuristic Galaxie platen - far out, man!
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBThb7+FJ1dFuOCM3yTF032tOORmJBi_-K-Ce0oBbg2D9Q@mail.gmail.com>

"ULLISTALLITENE"  It probably causes some sudden onset horrible illness!
Thats why nobody's heard of if they didn't survive long enough to sing
its praises. ;-)
"Be Careful!!" ;-) LOL..

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 9:27 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> NOS platen - magic ingredient ULLISTALLITENE!
>
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/roanoke/
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Sun Apr 24 22:03:32 2022
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:03:32 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Futuristic Galaxie platen - far out,
	man!
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB50031868149A846C346E7828A8F89@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

From: Nick England [navy.radio at gmail.com] -- Sunday, April 24, 2022 8:24 PM

> NOS platen - magic ingredient ULLISTALLITENE!
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/roanoke/

Almost worth it just for the packaging.  Impressive space-age graphic design.  That's the way the future ought to look!

         Doug Jones
         jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Apr 24 22:18:41 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:18:41 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Futuristic Galaxie platen - far out,
	man!
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR04MB50031868149A846C346E7828A8F89@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM6PR04MB50031868149A846C346E7828A8F89@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <19256785-81DD-464F-9EFB-A25E1FA78FA6@tapr.org>

ULLISTALLITENE, sounds like a prescription medication.

John, W9DDD


> On Apr 24, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> wrote:
> 
> From: Nick England [navy.radio at gmail.com] -- Sunday, April 24, 2022 8:24 PM
> 
>> NOS platen - magic ingredient ULLISTALLITENE!
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/roanoke/
> 
> Almost worth it just for the packaging.  Impressive space-age graphic design.  That's the way the future ought to look!
> 
>         Doug Jones
>         jones at cs.uiowa.edu
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> 
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From ai2q at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr 25 08:20:38 2022
From: ai2q at roadrunner.com (Radio AI2Q)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 08:20:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 FS
In-Reply-To: <19256785-81DD-464F-9EFB-A25E1FA78FA6@tapr.org>
References: <CAB55hNeEGaMt6gMRzMSC2Xsat50Q7-KYqDgw9uT3yMr1eLRAQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM6PR04MB50031868149A846C346E7828A8F89@DM6PR04MB5003.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<19256785-81DD-464F-9EFB-A25E1FA78FA6@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <627ae862-77d5-3706-43c4-28160610c91c@roadrunner.com>

I have a nice upright Model 28 that I'm not using very much anymore. 
Have spare parts, too.
Come pick it up in Kennebunk, Maine.
Asking $50 or a trade.

Vy 73, AI2Q, Alex.

From jeffg at junknet.net  Mon Apr 25 10:19:43 2022
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:19:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 with accoustic coupler and wheels?
Message-ID: <E5F3FD19-ABA0-4943-9B9A-3D973430F09A@junknet.net>

Hey all, I managed to nab another ASR-33, this time I grabbed this because its fairly unusual, and I only see one other example on the nets.

For the most part it appears to be a standard ASR-33, but instead of a UCC, it has an acoustic coupler! Comparing to the one online it also has 2 added switches, one of which is dangling underneath.

Another odd feature - it has wheels! In fact theres what looks like a factory "hand truck" built in. Makes moving it super easy!

It appears to be branded as Jacobsen Anderson who made modems at the time. 

Anyone have docs or schems for the coupler? Im thinking its probably an off-the-shelf J-A coupler inside.

(I didnt pay the posted price, its pretty crusty inside). 

Jeff KC3GJX

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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 10:42:52 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:42:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 with accoustic coupler and wheels?
In-Reply-To: <E5F3FD19-ABA0-4943-9B9A-3D973430F09A@junknet.net>
References: <E5F3FD19-ABA0-4943-9B9A-3D973430F09A@junknet.net>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBQOg3bgF0c0mdfTe+vOYhvoJT8C3nFjBVP+fJMvSfQ3uw@mail.gmail.com>

A portable terminal of the day! ;-)  The portable terminal I had after this
was a Compaq Portable
 a Cool 60lbs lighter than the teletype! LOL! Actually still have the
Compaq in its soft case and its
still heavy as all get out!!

JD


On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:24 AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Hey all, I managed to nab another ASR-33, this time I grabbed this because
> its fairly unusual, and I only see one other example on the nets.
>
> For the most part it appears to be a standard ASR-33, but instead of a
> UCC, it has an acoustic coupler! Comparing to the one online it also has 2
> added switches, one of which is dangling underneath.
>
> Another odd feature - it has wheels! In fact theres what looks like a
> factory "hand truck" built in. Makes moving it super easy!
>
> It appears to be branded as Jacobsen Anderson who made modems at the time.
>
> Anyone have docs or schems for the coupler? Im thinking its probably an
> off-the-shelf J-A coupler inside.
>
> (I didnt pay the posted price, its pretty crusty inside).
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 12:29:39 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:29:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - pile of TTY gear in Chapel Hill NC
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>

On Saturday, my buddy John K4OZY and I picked up a truckload of TTY
gear from a storage unit in Roanoke VA. We have saved it from the
scrapyard and now this stuff needs a new home. Some pieces look
complete, some are missing something. I've just done a quick look and
taken photos. You can have stuff for free, but some donation to help
with my costs would really be appreciated.
No shipping - pickup in Chapel Hill NC or we can deliver some of it to
the Dayton hamfest in a couple of weeks (depending on the response!).
Photos are at
https://www.virhistory.com/ham/roanoke-2204.htm

I'm a M28 guy so may have erred in IDing 14/15 gear - please send
corrections. If you need more photos of something, let me know. Let me
know what you want and how I can get it to you. My usual arbitrary
decision will apply in the event of multiple requests for an item.

We performed triage and left stuff in the storage bin in Roanoke and
the owner would like to get rid of it too. The M28 cabinets are empty
- no wiring, no LAK, nada.
The photos of the remaining stuff are at the bottom of the page.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 25 14:11:45 2022
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:11:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - pile of TTY gear in Chapel Hill NC
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204251307130.11762@Frances>

The item labelled 14 Keyboard Perforator? appears to be a DPE perforator,
which is like a M19 keyboard with all the signal generation parts removed.
I think these were made in the mid 1950s; I'm assuming Teletype wanted to
quit making the GPE "iron horse" perforator and a ready substitute was
the Model 19 perforator which was still in manufacture at the time.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Mon Apr 25 14:45:45 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:45:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - pile of TTY gear in Chapel Hill NC
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83140e73-868a-94e6-be0e-4f05302d71c9@tapr.org>

Is it possible the empty ASR and KSR cabinets are NOS?

---
----
You said "tomorrow" yesterday.

The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
John, W9DDD

On 4/25/2022 11:29 AM, Nick England wrote:
> On Saturday, my buddy John K4OZY and I picked up a truckload of TTY
> gear from a storage unit in Roanoke VA. We have saved it from the
> scrapyard and now this stuff needs a new home. Some pieces look
> complete, some are missing something. I've just done a quick look and
> taken photos. You can have stuff for free, but some donation to help
> with my costs would really be appreciated.
> No shipping - pickup in Chapel Hill NC or we can deliver some of it to
> the Dayton hamfest in a couple of weeks (depending on the response!).
> Photos are at
> https://www.virhistory.com/ham/roanoke-2204.htm
>
> I'm a M28 guy so may have erred in IDing 14/15 gear - please send
> corrections. If you need more photos of something, let me know. Let me
> know what you want and how I can get it to you. My usual arbitrary
> decision will apply in the event of multiple requests for an item.
>
> We performed triage and left stuff in the storage bin in Roanoke and
> the owner would like to get rid of it too. The M28 cabinets are empty
> - no wiring, no LAK, nada.
> The photos of the remaining stuff are at the bottom of the page.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 16:26:11 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:26:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - pile of TTY gear in Chapel Hill NC
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204251307130.11762@Frances>
References: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204251307130.11762@Frances>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBQh_JZ-XeGsemYYzL+Vj6d13C8g8fcuHRWutR+0QTP4BQ@mail.gmail.com>

@Jim I actually took one of those keyboards and put it in a 15/19 I still
have the baseplate for it.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:12 PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:

> The item labelled 14 Keyboard Perforator? appears to be a DPE perforator,
> which is like a M19 keyboard with all the signal generation parts removed.
> I think these were made in the mid 1950s; I'm assuming Teletype wanted to
> quit making the GPE "iron horse" perforator and a ready substitute was
> the Model 19 perforator which was still in manufacture at the time.
>
>         ---
>
>         "Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>         "No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
>                 Meredith Willson, The Music Man
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 11:49:13 2022
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:49:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Response to Kevin Phillips Mar 20, 2022
Message-ID: <CAJK8693CTVthomCdPtM=xynxwxv533W97AsoEviDo3zU_j0RgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin,

You do not need to get internet out to your barn to work on Teletypes.

All you need is to get a loop out there. I do not know what your
distance is. My Radio Building is about 100 feet from my house.
I bury thin wall plastic water pipe to pull wires through. I like them
underground where they are at least partially shielded from lightning
surges.

I am lucky enough to have three of these surplus 16-jack panels.
Each horizontal row is one loop. They are all 2-conductor jacks.
I wire them together with cat-5 so each row jacks on all are the
same loop. I also like to always make the tip positive.

Before I got one cleaned , painted and re-wired for the cellar, I used a
home brew two loop panel. Again, each row of lacks was one loop.
I wired it with 4-conductor stranded thermostat wire from eBay.
In addition I had a 3-jack panel on a local loop supply for testing.
I constantly use my meter mounted in a Lowe's plastic electrical box.
It can be patched to any loop.

The 16 jack panel has 2-circuit jacks. The next two home brew ones
are 3-circuit jacks. I also make them with 2-circuit jacks and insulators.
It is a nuisance to mix both types of jacks. It is better to decide at the
outset which you want and stick with it. Of course the 3-circuit jacks
are safer, but that may mean changing the plugs on all your teletypes.
And in my case I could not use the 2-circuit 16-jack patch panels.
So I have a lot of adapter boxes and cables.

The final step is to have the TU(s) where you have the internet. I have two
Heathkit HD 3030's. The bottom one (connected to the bottom rows of jacks)
used to be ITTY news. It is now on my news stream. The top one (connected
to the next rows of jacks) used to be Autostart. It is now my TTY Artwork
stream. Since the computers that generates them are right here, I grab the
streams from the headphone jacks.

It is not a big deal to pull two streams from the internet with one
computer.
 if any one is interested, I will explain it.

It is also fairly easy to pull wires through long pipes. A friend, who is
now
a silent key, showed me how to do it. I can explain that too if anyone is
interested.

Ii hope this helped someone.

Tom  N3CRK
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Tue Apr 26 13:45:24 2022
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 12:45:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Response to Kevin Phillips Mar 20, 2022
In-Reply-To: <CAJK8693CTVthomCdPtM=xynxwxv533W97AsoEviDo3zU_j0RgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK8693CTVthomCdPtM=xynxwxv533W97AsoEviDo3zU_j0RgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <072c33c03e4591c099f90fe67c01a7fd.squirrel@mail.9-5usa.org>





	Tom,


	?


	Thanks very much for the information and the photos.? Those are some
great ideas.? Having one or more permanent loop supplies is
definitely on my wish list.? I am working on a dedicated radio shack
which I hope to have nearly finished in the next few months.? I want
to have ability to connect my working machines and be able to connect
"new" machines as I work on them.? There was an HD3030
that came up on eBay recently but I didn't get it.


	?


	73


	?


	Kevin


	W5TTY


	?


	> Kevin,

	>

	> You do not need to get internet out to your barn to work on
Teletypes.

	>

	> All you need is to get a loop out there. I do not know what your

	> distance is. My Radio Building is about 100 feet from my house.

	> I bury thin wall plastic water pipe to pull wires through. I like
them

	> underground where they are at least partially shielded from
lightning

	> surges.

	>

	> I am lucky enough to have three of these surplus 16-jack panels.

	> Each horizontal row is one loop. They are all 2-conductor jacks.

	> I wire them together with cat-5 so each row jacks on all are the

	> same loop. I also like to always make the tip positive.

	>

	> Before I got one cleaned , painted and re-wired for the cellar, I
used a

	> home brew two loop panel. Again, each row of lacks was one loop.

	> I wired it with 4-conductor stranded thermostat wire from eBay.

	> In addition I had a 3-jack panel on a local loop supply for
testing.

	> I constantly use my meter mounted in a Lowe's plastic electrical
box.

	> It can be patched to any loop.

	>

	> The 16 jack panel has 2-circuit jacks. The next two home brew
ones

	> are 3-circuit jacks. I also make them with 2-circuit jacks and
insulators.

	> It is a nuisance to mix both types of jacks. It is better to decide
at the

	> outset which you want and stick with it. Of course the 3-circuit
jacks

	> are safer, but that may mean changing the plugs on all your
teletypes.

	> And in my case I could not use the 2-circuit 16-jack patch
panels.

	> So I have a lot of adapter boxes and cables.

	>

	> The final step is to have the TU(s) where you have the internet. I
have

	> two

	> Heathkit HD 3030's. The bottom one (connected to the bottom rows of
jacks)

	> used to be ITTY news. It is now on my news stream. The top one
(connected

	> to the next rows of jacks) used to be Autostart. It is now my TTY
Artwork

	> stream. Since the computers that generates them are right here, I
grab the

	> streams from the headphone jacks.

	>

	> It is not a big deal to pull two streams from the internet with
one

	> computer.

	> if any one is interested, I will explain it.

	>

	> It is also fairly easy to pull wires through long pipes. A friend,
who is

	> now

	> a silent key, showed me how to do it. I can explain that too if
anyone is

	> interested.

	>

	> Ii hope this helped someone.

	>

	> Tom N3CRK

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	>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch

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	>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/

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	>>>>
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	>

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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr 26 21:15:34 2022
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:15:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Documentation needed for LBXD
Message-ID: <548CFFD7-D586-4FB6-B72A-01CAB02B51B8@tapr.org>

Good evening all,
I have a LBXD4  TD on a LBXB1 base. I can find a WD for a Bell 28F that seems to match the LBXD4.  I have not been able to find anything for the LBXB1 base.  

A number of things point to this combo having been used in the FAA ADIS system. So I suspect the needed information is in 268B.  Most likely in volume II.  

Google (aka DuckDuckGo) or books.google.com so far have produced no results. 

So any ideas of where else to look would be appreciated. 

John, W9DDD



From creativegardening at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:29:16 2022
From: creativegardening at hotmail.com (Nick)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:29:16 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Siemens 37h
Message-ID: <SN6PR03MB3997B136417F76C08E1BAC19AFFA9@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

My Siemens machine is finally on the way to a new home.
Duncan Brown and his wife Nancy came by here this afternoon in Lawrenceville, GA and picked up the machine. Too bad  that my teletype mentor Steve (N4TTY) couldn't be here today. And we forgot to take a group photo - well, it is what it is.

It may will take several weeks before my old iTelex number (212503) goes back in service at the museum.

I had to let the machine go because of my piss-poor internet connection here at the QTH (please excuse my French).

Pretty sure that many visitors at the museum will enjoy the old/new technology by making contacts with a lot of iTelex users almost worldwide.

best regards,
       Nick  -  N0NCQ



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:56:48 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:56:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Siemens 37h
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR03MB3997B136417F76C08E1BAC19AFFA9@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR03MB3997B136417F76C08E1BAC19AFFA9@SN6PR03MB3997.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBT3HHXZmmV3-6g6B1YXG_+aB4g6mf-9Rk-HedWDvUGYkg@mail.gmail.com>

It's "pisse pauvre" ;-)
And I too sometimes have the same internet connection LOL!!


On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:29 PM Nick <creativegardening at hotmail.com> wrote:

> My Siemens machine is finally on the way to a new home.
> Duncan Brown and his wife Nancy came by here this afternoon in
> Lawrenceville, GA and picked up the machine. Too bad  that my teletype
> mentor Steve (N4TTY) couldn't be here today. And we forgot to take a group
> photo - well, it is what it is.
>
> It may will take several weeks before my old iTelex number (212503) goes
> back in service at the museum.
>
> I had to let the machine go because of my piss-poor internet connection
> here at the QTH (please excuse my French).
>
> Pretty sure that many visitors at the museum will enjoy the old/new
> technology by making contacts with a lot of iTelex users almost worldwide.
>
> best regards,
>        Nick  -  N0NCQ
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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From w1aea at myfairpoint.net  Wed Apr 27 18:05:11 2022
From: w1aea at myfairpoint.net (w1aea)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:05:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Looking for
Message-ID: <202204272208.23RM8Xm7019681@mail6c26.carrierzone.com>

Hi all?I'm looking for a Paper Crank for a TG-7-B? aka Model 15 TTY Machine, anyone have a spare in the parts box!?I will be at Near-Fest in N.H. this weekend and at Dayton/Xenia that weekend,Thanks Jeff W1AEASent from my Galaxy Tab? A
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From derek.newland at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 21:34:01 2022
From: derek.newland at gmail.com (Derek Newland)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:34:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR-33 with accoustic coupler and wheels?
In-Reply-To: <E5F3FD19-ABA0-4943-9B9A-3D973430F09A@junknet.net>
References: <E5F3FD19-ABA0-4943-9B9A-3D973430F09A@junknet.net>
Message-ID: <CA+erfD=8gSq3e28zY=gNyrk98Yceq8yppYe9E=n=Opb+-Ur56w@mail.gmail.com>

 Would absolutely *love* to see this connected to a remote PDP-8!

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:20 AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Hey all, I managed to nab another ASR-33, this time I grabbed this because
> its fairly unusual, and I only see one other example on the nets.
>
> For the most part it appears to be a standard ASR-33, but instead of a
> UCC, it has an acoustic coupler! Comparing to the one online it also has 2
> added switches, one of which is dangling underneath.
>
> Another odd feature - it has wheels! In fact theres what looks like a
> factory "hand truck" built in. Makes moving it super easy!
>
> It appears to be branded as Jacobsen Anderson who made modems at the time.
>
> Anyone have docs or schems for the coupler? Im thinking its probably an
> off-the-shelf J-A coupler inside.
>
> (I didnt pay the posted price, its pretty crusty inside).
>
> Jeff KC3GJX
>
>
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Wed Apr 27 22:49:42 2022
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 02:49:42 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: ASR-33 with accoustic coupler and
 wheels?
In-Reply-To: <CA+erfD=8gSq3e28zY=gNyrk98Yceq8yppYe9E=n=Opb+-Ur56w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5F3FD19-ABA0-4943-9B9A-3D973430F09A@junknet.net>
	<CA+erfD=8gSq3e28zY=gNyrk98Yceq8yppYe9E=n=Opb+-Ur56w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB49946C6BB80DC0B4E23DD4D2A8FD9@BL0PR04MB4994.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:20 AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net<mailto:jeffg at junknet.net>> wrote:

> Anyone have docs or schems for the coupler? Im thinking its probably an off-the-shelf J-A coupler inside.

The modem is almost certainly Bell 103 compatible.  Good for speeds up to 300 baud, so 110 baud is no problem.  I'd be surpirsed if it had any ICs in it, so reverse engineering without schematics is probably not too awful a job.

         Doug Jones
         jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From jeffg at junknet.net  Thu Apr 28 09:00:31 2022
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:00:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re: ASR-33 with accoustic coupler and
	wheels?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB49946C6BB80DC0B4E23DD4D2A8FD9@BL0PR04MB4994.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB49946C6BB80DC0B4E23DD4D2A8FD9@BL0PR04MB4994.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <53BFE747-27C7-4CFD-A506-121D2485BB65@junknet.net>

So I finally had a chance to look it over, its REALLY crusty inside, but likely all paper dust, and what I didnt notice is the chad bucket is FULL!! (Naturally some of it poured into my trunk).

On the coupler front, its all contained in the UCC area, and the coupler is likely just a copy of the A-J 230. It later dawned on me: ADT-233 is their cheeky way of saying 230 in an ASR-33 lol.

This thing had a pile of wires and switches that are somewhat buggered up, and now I determined it has a diy current loop to rs-232 adapter (also crusty), and also had a ribbon cable sending the parallel data out that was lopped off. There were also two switches added, one appears to be the power switch for the current loop adapter and the other may have been a "caps lock" switch as it goes to the 6th bit on the data bus.

The UCC appears to be a mostly standard UCC-6 with the coupler added on. Since the coupler board is on the outside of it they turned the SMD driver board around, and since its all enclosed in metal that board looked like it BAKED in there. The reader power supply is towards the front so Im pretty sure you could use that area as an ez-bake oven.

 Interestingly though the plastic top cover isnt completely open in the UCC area, it only has holes for the coupler then the bottom part where only a small piece of the usual metal cover is.

Jeff KC3GJX

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> On Apr 27, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:20 AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net<mailto:jeffg at junknet.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone have docs or schems for the coupler? Im thinking its probably an off-the-shelf J-A coupler inside.
> 
> The modem is almost certainly Bell 103 compatible.  Good for speeds up to 300 baud, so 110 baud is no problem.  I'd be surpirsed if it had any ICs in it, so reverse engineering without schematics is probably not too awful a job.
> 
>         Doug Jones
>         jones at cs.uiowa.edu

From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 28 09:31:42 2022
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:31:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Scored two model 15 recieve onlys
Message-ID: <440949697.269830.1651152717241@yahoo.com>

I scored two receive only model 15 s , two teletype desks, one associated press rectox rectifier, and three rolls of paper.? ? ? ? Should be able to make one working one as parts are missing off of one.? I'll have to solder up a 232 adapter also.? ? ?Thanks Joe Duszynski for the posting find ?
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From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 09:41:17 2022
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:41:17 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Scored two model 15 recieve onlys
In-Reply-To: <440949697.269830.1651152717241@yahoo.com>
References: <440949697.269830.1651152717241@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs7XBS8pdyTVDWYBsqqZEZbtN34-y9xk_kDDVkg_6_-Xa+j=A@mail.gmail.com>

Glad it worked out for ya!!
And enjoy your new toys!!

JD

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 9:32 AM abowman89 via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I scored two receive only model 15 s , two teletype desks, one associated
> press rectox rectifier, and three rolls of paper.
>         Should be able to make one working one as parts are missing off of
> one.  I'll have to solder up a 232 adapter also.
>      Thanks Joe Duszynski for the posting find ?
> ______________________________________________________________
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 10:20:24 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:20:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - pile of TTY gear in Chapel Hill NC
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfECRLbHybYatT6Q6HB2XSkVtPHCj=cxhAFawRcoh0rzA@mail.gmail.com>

Update - Wow! - almost everything is spoken for - I guess I'm not the
only crazy person here.
Two greenkeyers are coming to pick up the 28ASRs and I'll haul a bunch
of items to the Dayton hamfest for transfer to new owners. Thanks,
gang!

Stay tuned - I think I'll be rescuing two more 28ASRs this summer.
best regards from the Teletype Shelter and Adoption Agency,
Nick

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 12:29 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Saturday, my buddy John K4OZY and I picked up a truckload of TTY
> gear from a storage unit in Roanoke VA. We have saved it from the
> scrapyard and now this stuff needs a new home. Some pieces look
> complete, some are missing something. I've just done a quick look and
> taken photos. You can have stuff for free, but some donation to help
> with my costs would really be appreciated.
> No shipping - pickup in Chapel Hill NC or we can deliver some of it to
> the Dayton hamfest in a couple of weeks (depending on the response!).
> Photos are at
> https://www.virhistory.com/ham/roanoke-2204.htm
>
> I'm a M28 guy so may have erred in IDing 14/15 gear - please send
> corrections. If you need more photos of something, let me know. Let me
> know what you want and how I can get it to you. My usual arbitrary
> decision will apply in the event of multiple requests for an item.
>
> We performed triage and left stuff in the storage bin in Roanoke and
> the owner would like to get rid of it too. The M28 cabinets are empty
> - no wiring, no LAK, nada.
> The photos of the remaining stuff are at the bottom of the page.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 28 10:27:35 2022
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:27:35 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Scored two model 15 recieve onlys
In-Reply-To: <440949697.269830.1651152717241@yahoo.com>
References: <440949697.269830.1651152717241@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7FEBF096-75BB-44B5-9A95-0E7167DC113D@comcast.net>

There is no signature on this. It only say ?from greenkeys? (is that what mir emails say?)

Who are you? Abowman89?

Paul
W2TTY

> On Apr 28, 2022, at 7:32 AM, abowman89 via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I scored two receive only model 15 s , two teletype desks, one associated press rectox rectifier, and three rolls of paper.
>         Should be able to make one working one as parts are missing off of one.  I'll have to solder up a 232 adapter also.
>      Thanks Joe Duszynski for the posting find ?
> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 10:27:57 2022
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:27:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - pile of TTY gear in Chapel Hill NC
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfECRLbHybYatT6Q6HB2XSkVtPHCj=cxhAFawRcoh0rzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfKsX6bfXnRPM8NzhL2y5NJGj=5kD2roY712cNNM=tmxA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you indeed!  I've been looking for parts to complete my TTY for some
time.
Saving more rare parts from the scrap heap is just terrific!

Michael
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From troy at codemaven.me  Fri Apr 29 07:53:22 2022
From: troy at codemaven.me (=?UTF-8?Q?Troy_Peterson?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:53:22 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 keyboard code bars
References: <ba36f8f6-6c13-b590-9be8-c230e3c24a29@codemaven.me>
Message-ID: <01000180752b211d-d10afc66-0079-4f96-ba9f-a2e95995d36e-000000@email.amazonses.com>

Hi all,

I'm restoring a Model33 ASR and have been rebuilding the keyboard with a 
lot of help from Wayne (and others). Early on in the process I had some 
suspicions about the code bars but there were more pressing matters.. 

However I now have the keyboard master lock/reset level working and the 
mechanical behaviour is perfect so I am re-installing the keys and 
indeed there appears to be a problem with my code bars.? This is the 
parity version of the keyboard and I have 9 pairs of code bars. They all 
seem fine to me except that the 8th row from the front are not 
compliments of each other. This is photo CodeBars8.JPG. When it comes to 
the 'Q' key it tries to press both code bars down at the same time and 
other keys will have the same issue.

However, I do have another rusty old poor condition keyboard 
(non-parity) which I am using as reference. On that keyboard the code 

bars are slightly different in their order but it look like the front 

one of row 8 is the same as mine and the back one is it's compliment so 
I am planning to use it to fix my issue on row 8.

But, I think I also have a problem with row 9. This row is completely 

missing in the non-parity keyboard that I have and is spring loaded and 
actuated by shift. On my non-parity keyboard the spring loaded shift bar 
is in row 2 and again one of my code bars looks the same as the one in 
that keyboard (with only two teeth for the shift keys) but it's 
compliment is not the same and on my two bars the shift key position is 
raised in both bars so if I press the shift down it tries to press both 
bars at once... since I do not have another parity keyboard to look at 
can someone tell me if I have the wrong bar here too? What should this 
one look like? is it possible that some of the bars are swapped around? 
Aside from these two rows all of the others are perfect compliments of 
each other and swapping around the pairs from my two bad rows still 
doesn't seem to make them line up right either...? so I am somewhat 
confused here.

Thank-you,
Troy
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From troy at codemaven.me  Fri Apr 29 08:10:45 2022
From: troy at codemaven.me (=?UTF-8?Q?Troy_Peterson?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:10:45 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 keyboard code bars
In-Reply-To: <01000180752b211d-d10afc66-0079-4f96-ba9f-a2e95995d36e-000000@email.amazonses.com>
References: <ba36f8f6-6c13-b590-9be8-c230e3c24a29@codemaven.me> 
	<01000180752b211d-d10afc66-0079-4f96-ba9f-a2e95995d36e-000000@email.amazonses.com>
	<4b2bfa1f-c531-b154-01dd-d3c288194e22@codemaven.me>
Message-ID: <01000180753b0c8a-8001dc7d-407b-405c-8b6a-b15be94a6146-000000@email.amazonses.com>

On 29/04/2022 12:53, Troy Peterson via GreenKeys wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm restoring a Model33 ASR and have been rebuilding the keyboard with a
> lot of help from Wayne (and others). Early on in the process I had some
> suspicions about the code bars but there were more pressing matters..
>
> However I now have the keyboard master lock/reset level working and the
> mechanical behaviour is perfect so I am re-installing the keys and
> indeed there appears to be a problem with my code bars.? This is the
> parity version of the keyboard and I have 9 pairs of code bars. They all
> seem fine to me except that the 8th row from the front are not
> compliments of each other. This is photo CodeBars8.JPG. When it comes to
> the 'Q' key it tries to press both code bars down at the same time and
> other keys will have the same issue.
>
> However, I do have another rusty old poor condition keyboard
> (non-parity) which I am using as reference. On that keyboard the code
>
> bars are slightly different in their order but it look like the front
>
> one of row 8 is the same as mine and the back one is it's compliment so
> I am planning to use it to fix my issue on row 8.
>
> But, I think I also have a problem with row 9. This row is completely
>
> missing in the non-parity keyboard that I have and is spring loaded and
> actuated by shift. On my non-parity keyboard the spring loaded shift bar
> is in row 2 and again one of my code bars looks the same as the one in
> that keyboard (with only two teeth for the shift keys) but it's
> compliment is not the same and on my two bars the shift key position is
> raised in both bars so if I press the shift down it tries to press both
> bars at once... since I do not have another parity keyboard to look at
> can someone tell me if I have the wrong bar here too? What should this
> one look like? is it possible that some of the bars are swapped around?
> Aside from these two rows all of the others are perfect compliments of
> each other and swapping around the pairs from my two bad rows still
> doesn't seem to make them line up right either...? so I am somewhat
> confused here.
>
> Thank-you,
> Troy
>
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... And after writing this I realised that I had not considered flipping 
the bars around... If I swap the back bar of row 8 with the front bar of 
row 9 and flip them the other way around they seem to match properly... 
I still have no idea if this is correct... I wonder if any other pairs 
are swapped around.... any other advice or information on what order the 
codebars need to be in my version of they keyboard would still be helpful.

Cheers,
Troy



From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Fri Apr 29 11:58:05 2022
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 keyboard code bars
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From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:24:25 -0400 (EDT)
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 17:02:56 2022
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 16:02:56 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Does anymone have good teletype interface schematics?
Message-ID: <1487975237.582166.1651266194169@yahoo.com>

Hey,? ? ?does anyone have a set of schamatics and a list of materials to build an interface for a model 15 teletype to rs-232 or usb?? Or have input as to what a good design is? Or know anyone that sells one?? Ive found a fragments of drawings.? I do have a functional loop supply i just finished testing out.? ? ? Thanks? ? ? ? ? ? Andy
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From epvgk at limpoc.com  Fri Apr 29 17:11:45 2022
From: epvgk at limpoc.com (epvgk at limpoc.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:11:45 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Does anymone have good teletype interface
	schematics?
In-Reply-To: <1487975237.582166.1651266194169@yahoo.com>
References: <1487975237.582166.1651266194169@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20220429211145.GA3831@limpoc.com>

You can look at mine at 

https://www.heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype

Often someone on the list has an extra they don't need, there were quite a few of these
 floating around at one point. 

eric

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 04:02:56PM -0500, abowman89 via GreenKeys wrote:
> Hey,? ? ?does anyone have a set of schamatics and a list of materials to build an interface for a model 15 teletype to rs-232 or usb?? Or have input as to what a good design is? Or know anyone that sells one?? Ive found a fragments of drawings.? I do have a functional loop supply i just finished testing out.? ? ? Thanks? ? ? ? ? ? Andy

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From jeffg at junknet.net  Fri Apr 29 22:17:21 2022
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 22:17:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype with Coupler - ADT-233
Message-ID: <80C581C3-AA32-4A2B-B610-12022C36C6FE@junknet.net>

So I had a chance to dig into this ASR-33 I got with the built in coupler, and have now removed all the dangly switches and diy rs-232 mod, and while it definitely needs some love, it seems to decode and print OK from paper tape.

Questions:

Would anyone happen to have a manual/schematic for this? Its an Anderson Jacobson ADT-233 (thats whats on the badge of the teletype), but Id bet a DC230 modem/coupler is nearly identical if anyone has documentation for that too. Other than the coupler its a basic Asr-33 with a UCC-6, but Id love a wiring diagram.

On the wiring front, theres an unused plug in the UCC area, and going by other docs I think this is how the coupler gets wired to the TTY, but Im not sure, hence why Id like a diagram. The dc230 stuff I found describes a harness with the exact colors at the plug, connecting to the terminal strip. 

The same documentation mentions some ttys may lock their keyboards, how can I tell if thats the case with this? The h-clip doesnt budge and whole the keyboard moves (ish) it doesnt register any keypresses. Maually triggering the distributor does work though.

Last question; it looks like plug #1 carries the data buss that other plugs like #6 carries, was #1 just for misc use? None of the schems I have even mention it.

Thanks!

Jeff





From dave at horsfall.org  Sat Apr 30 00:52:16 2022
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:52:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is it STOP or STOP END?
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2204301438110.9896@aneurin.horsfall.org>

There was a TV program shown in Oz recently, where a telegram was shown as 
"blah blah STOP blah STOP" etc; yes, I know the reason for the "STOP".

But shouldn't it have ended in "STOP END" to indicate the end of the 
message?

And don't get me started on Hollywood's "over and out" nonsense...

    Over: I have ceased transmission and I expect a reply.

    Out: I have ceased transmission and I do not expect a reply.

Over and Out: You tell me...  On at least one net I replied with "Are you 
over or are you out?", to much merriment.

-- Dave VK2KFU

From 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Apr 30 01:39:01 2022
From: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com (1oldlens1)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 22:39:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is it STOP or STOP END?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2204301438110.9896@aneurin.horsfall.org>
Message-ID: <mailman.208.1651297178.3596.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

He fell over and they threw him out.?In morse end of message is ar this is written as a cross or plus sign when it's written.? A normal telegram would not include it.? ?I am not sure of the word stop meaning a period.? Stop may be used as a more definite version of s period because the word count on which the charge is based counts a period as one word, so they are they are the same.Perhaps it should be pointed? out that ar meaning of message is not the same as SK? meaning end of work? i.e. "that's all there is , there isn't any more".? Thos is from the old western union 92 code. The number 30 meaning eng of work.? Sent after a group of messages.?And now that's all folks. OutSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> Date: 4/29/22  9:53 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] Is it STOP or STOP END? There was a TV program shown in Oz recently, where a telegram was shown as "blah blah STOP blah STOP" etc; yes, I know the reason for the "STOP".But shouldn't it have ended in "STOP END" to indicate the end of the message?And don't get me started on Hollywood's "over and out" nonsense...??? Over: I have ceased transmission and I expect a reply.??? Out: I have ceased transmission and I do not expect a reply.Over and Out: You tell me...? On at least one net I replied with "Are you over or are you out?", to much merriment.-- Dave VK2KFU______________________________________________________________GreenKeys mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeysHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.htmlThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
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From wa5cab at cs.com  Sat Apr 30 03:00:11 2022
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 02:00:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Signal Corps MWO's
In-Reply-To: <CAPs7XBSOj==RQO4Vui8FwQ_KCbo4Z2tv8v8pcjamX4w62_T1rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs7XBSR3RYsEVf5MY06LzuBBOb9LNNHuK0F3yEV+VynOUT6dQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPs7XBSOj==RQO4Vui8FwQ_KCbo4Z2tv8v8pcjamX4w62_T1rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d801d85c5f$f021dff0$d0659fd0$@com>

Joe,

 

DA PAM 310-4 was preceded by FM 21-6.  The latter pub was current from about 1940 to at least 1951.  Judging from the MWO SiG 11-352-1 you didn?t find those because the equipment that they applied to had been declared obsolete before the edition of 310-4 you have was published.  The equipment that 11-352 applied to was the TG-7 (Model 15) and TG-37.  MWO SIG 11-352-1 is dated DEC 1951 and the title was ?Replacement of ribbon reverse mechanism in Printer TG-7-A and Teletypewriters TG-7-B and TG-37-B.?.   SIG 56 isn?t listed so the equipment was obsolete by the time that the copy of 21-6 I was looking in was published.  SIG 60 you probably aren?t interested in as it was about an air conditioner in certain SCR-270 models.

 

All that I normally supply are hard copy printouts and those are not free.  See whether or not you can come up with any of the several other editions of FM 21-6 or DA PAM 310-4.

 

Robert Downs

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Duszynski
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 08:15
To: Greenkeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Signal Corps MWO's

 

I finally found the index for the MWO's that gives the header description. 
For anyone that cares it is located in: Department of the Army Pamphlet 310-4.
A link to the book.

https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QacI1D880fDxGK5sKCzGrfL1vToNVInZL6bWmWXpkzBCNV4TW-tQnUYj6-UcF0T6RxLYDI-Kb4-aNWez-OTHObsOOyJE7NQ-LFaY_qu1fN0MBjWq1YTwmc02cA3lBbcweFIStFDGFVQcGty6ZdBysZDcGFX-LqksyFa1MioDCdvG33DyJrm0F839wNfuRZB5cKI6onbWxCu_BAF90hAlm6-6eRB5sK1fU1-22Bmpe5T_vJ3ZKkAScY_Ps_kyEseYUAPBusLk-38x9WcgfOaoPOFKdbCStkW_dfFcBUM9z1VW8Yhp0c4

 

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:54 AM Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone have the titles of the following:

MWO SIG 152
MWO SIG 82
MWO SIG 60
MWO SIG 56
MWO SIG 11-352-1
MWO SIG 11-352-2

Thanks.

I could not find them on Nicks Website.

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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 30 08:25:53 2022
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 07:25:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is it STOP or STOP END?
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References: <20220430053944.54B7A149ABF9@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204300723180.2198@Frances>

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022, 1oldlens1 wrote:

> Perhaps it should be pointed? out that ar meaning of message is not the same
> as SK? meaning end of work? i.e. "that's all there is , there isn't any
> more".? Thos is from the old western union 92 code. The number 30 meaning
> eng of work.? Sent after a group of messages.?

And '30' in American Morse is what is rendered as 'SK' in International
Morse.   ...-.  is 3 and a long dash is zero.

From troy at codemaven.me  Sat Apr 30 09:45:28 2022
From: troy at codemaven.me (=?UTF-8?Q?Troy_Peterson?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:45:28 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model-33 ASR Keyboard
References: <fbf05236-cbd4-7409-2bb6-807e8e2870b0@codemaven.me>
Message-ID: <010001807ab81d96-e3d46904-39c4-4b9b-8e25-727f46c55d8f-000000@email.amazonses.com>

Hi All,

I've been working on repairing and restoring a Model 33 ASR and have mad 
a few posts to this list about it. I started with the keyboard because I 
knew that had a few serious issues to address that could scupper the 
project. I'm pleased to say that with a lot of help from this list 
(especially Wayne) I've managed to get my keyboard working! At least I 
think it is. It looks good to me visually and responds as I would expect 
it to. I have not done an electrical test of any sort on it though... 

And obviously the rest of the machine isn't ready to test it with yet.?? 
Does anyone know how I can test it electronically? Is there a common pin 
on the connector and 8-bit pins that I? can check continuity on with a 
multimeter to confirm the right bits are set?

Here's a video of the finished keyboard in operation.

https://youtu.be/UUe-JzQcIpk

And I'll attach a few pictures...

The main issue was that when I received it the master reset lever was 

not in it... And it was missing the compression springs on the contact 
end.?? It was a very fiddly job getting the reset lever in and all of 
the springs on correctly, but I managed to do it in about 8 hours of 
working on it... I'm very pleased with myself. Next thing to do I guess 
is the main printer section or the electronics.

You might also notice on my keyboard there is an extra button labelled 
"RUN OUT" in the top left corner. That was added by a previous owner and 
I have no idea what it does. It is wired into two contacts on the 
keyboard connector. If anyone has any ideas on what this was for please 
let me know.


Cheers,
Troy
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Apr 30 18:53:15 2022
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:53:15 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] TU-170 analysis
Message-ID: <3766b9992786ed1e7196c0780bcc66c9.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

I've finished a review of the TU-170 demodulator circuitry. It's at
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/tu170/spice/ . I look forward to any comments.

Can anyone suggest why there is a low pass filter in front of the space
bandpass filter and not the mark filter?


Thanks!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



