From rdelgatt at optonline.net  Mon Apr  1 20:59:35 2024
From: rdelgatt at optonline.net (Robert DelGatto)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:59:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 28 KSR keyboard problem
Message-ID: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>

Hello all, I have this 28ksr for many years, recently retired and now have the time to get it going. Cleaned, 
lubed, and got the receive to print perfect with MPC1000r Dovetron set to 60 mils. Transmit another story, 
keyboard works but no inputs will match the outputs, mostly spaces and wrong letters. I cleaned contacts 
in the signal generator and made no adjustments to anything on the keyboard. I installed a 3 speed 
transmission which works perfectly but still need to make up linkage. The printer case is a TT69-70 type
mounted on the usually base, LSU is SB-964/ug, Typing unit is LP-77yd/agm, Keyboard is Mx114a/ug
with a Mx-1114c/ug signal generator.
The typing unit has a replacement tag under the model, RO10, probably not original plate. I don't know 
that there would be a difference with RO, receive only that would prevent the keyboard from working?
The case has 3 connection strips in the upper rear, I am using 5 and 6 for receive, havens gotten to tx
yet. Any help would be really appreciated.  
Thanks Bob Kc2ltx


From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Apr  2 11:17:47 2024
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:17:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 28 KSR keyboard problem
In-Reply-To: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
References: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK6WsdgigsdUUVcCyUbOYauKaRJXH_Yh2+5sKe67HjwNECBQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, look at the bit bars inside the unit if you can see them. Type
"RRYRYRY" on the keyboard, and you should see alternating bit bars being
set (so 1-3-5, and then 2-4). If one is "stuck" it'll cause what you're
seeing. When I worked on the ASR at the ship, I found the bar closest to me
was gummed up on a piece it was very close to and not moving. A little oil
loosened it up.

Jeff KC3GJX

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:53?AM Robert DelGatto <rdelgatt at optonline.net>
wrote:

> Hello all, I have this 28ksr for many years, recently retired and now have
> the time to get it going. Cleaned,
> lubed, and got the receive to print perfect with MPC1000r Dovetron set to
> 60 mils. Transmit another story,
> keyboard works but no inputs will match the outputs, mostly spaces and
> wrong letters. I cleaned contacts
> in the signal generator and made no adjustments to anything on the
> keyboard. I installed a 3 speed
> transmission which works perfectly but still need to make up linkage. The
> printer case is a TT69-70 type
> mounted on the usually base, LSU is SB-964/ug, Typing unit is LP-77yd/agm,
> Keyboard is Mx114a/ug
> with a Mx-1114c/ug signal generator.
> The typing unit has a replacement tag under the model, RO10, probably not
> original plate. I don't know
> that there would be a difference with RO, receive only that would prevent
> the keyboard from working?
> The case has 3 connection strips in the upper rear, I am using 5 and 6 for
> receive, havens gotten to tx
> yet. Any help would be really appreciated.
> Thanks Bob Kc2ltx
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 11:38:25 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:38:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 28 KSR keyboard problem
In-Reply-To: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
References: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfm6Lni8xczgtqy4nNQ9doZQ=m=5eje+6T-OPy09EJAuQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can?t think of any effect of the typing unit on the keyboard other than
something that would keep it from working at all (like a busted/wrong drive
gear).

Reference -
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/jh/ttyman3/TeletypeManuals/model28/Instructional/28_Keyboard.pdf

Please give us more info.
If you type the same character over and over do you always get the same
result?
RRRRRR   YYYYYYY  EEEEEE TTTTTTT
What do you you get when typing BLANK over and over?

Isolate the problem between the code bars, transfer levers, and transmitter
contacts.
You may want to manually rotate the motor to see things in slow motion.
Pull the top of the fan (on the right end of the motor) toward you.

Watch the code bars at the right side-
Type E LF SP CR T yo make one code bar at a time move.
Type E A U K LTR V M O T to make 1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 code bars move together

If the code bars are behaving OK -
Type the same thing while looking at the transfer levers (to the right of
the transmitter contact box)
If they aren't behaving you probably have something gummed up from old
grease or a missing spring.

If the transfer levers are behaving OK you probably have dirty contacts,
loose connection, or a bad noise suppression network (inside the
transmitter box)
Watch a loop current meter as you turn the motor by hand.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:52 AM Robert DelGatto <rdelgatt at optonline.net>
wrote:

> Hello all, I have this 28ksr for many years, recently retired and now have
> the time to get it going. Cleaned,
> lubed, and got the receive to print perfect with MPC1000r Dovetron set to
> 60 mils. Transmit another story,
> keyboard works but no inputs will match the outputs, mostly spaces and
> wrong letters. I cleaned contacts
> in the signal generator and made no adjustments to anything on the
> keyboard. I installed a 3 speed
> transmission which works perfectly but still need to make up linkage. The
> printer case is a TT69-70 type
> mounted on the usually base, LSU is SB-964/ug, Typing unit is LP-77yd/agm,
> Keyboard is Mx114a/ug
> with a Mx-1114c/ug signal generator.
> The typing unit has a replacement tag under the model, RO10, probably not
> original plate. I don't know
> that there would be a difference with RO, receive only that would prevent
> the keyboard from working?
> The case has 3 connection strips in the upper rear, I am using 5 and 6 for
> receive, havens gotten to tx
> yet. Any help would be really appreciated.
> Thanks Bob Kc2ltx
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr  2 12:27:24 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:27:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 28 KSR keyboard problem
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfm6Lni8xczgtqy4nNQ9doZQ=m=5eje+6T-OPy09EJAuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
	<CAB55hNfm6Lni8xczgtqy4nNQ9doZQ=m=5eje+6T-OPy09EJAuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <efca88b9-bbd3-6dd0-b927-d3d8fd75ee92@tapr.org>

Hi Bob, you said you had it for a long time.  Did it ever work or you 
acquired it way back when and this is the first hit on it?  I guess I 
should look up those military numbers, but the reference to a separate 
number for a signal generator seemed kind of strange.  Civilian versions 
only have one reference number for the whole keyboard.

When you say there are 3 terminal strips in the back, are they numbered 
1-30?  That would indicate a fairly old cabinet.  Yet the LP77 is a 
relatively high number.  Also LP77 would be for 7.0 code, which would 
have a different gear to drive the keyboard than a 7.42 printer.  My 
recollection though is that a 7.0 printer won't sit down properly on a 
7.42 keyboard/base.  So you probably don't have that mismatch.  (LK25 
was the keyboard that came with my LP77)

But getting back to the signal generator thing,  That's the first thing 
that threw a red flag to me.

Anyhow take the above as being worth what you paid for it.

(this makes me go hmm, my LP77 and LK25 never had any MX number tags on 
them. Strange?)


On 4/2/2024 10:38 AM, Nick England wrote:
> I can?t think of any effect of the typing unit on the keyboard other 
> than something that would keep it from working at all (like a 
> busted/wrong drive gear).
>
> Reference -
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/jh/ttyman3/TeletypeManuals/model28/Instructional/28_Keyboard.pdf
>
> Please give us more info.
> If you type the same character over and over do you always get the 
> same result?
> RRRRRR   YYYYYYY  EEEEEE TTTTTTT
> What do you you get when typing BLANK over and over?
>
> Isolate the problem between the code bars, transfer levers, and 
> transmitter contacts.
> You may want to manually rotate the motor to see things in slow 
> motion. Pull the top of the fan (on the right end of the motor) toward 
> you.
>
> Watch the code bars at the right side-
> Type E LF SP CR T yo make one code bar at a time move.
> Type E A U K LTR V M O T to make 1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 code bars move together
>
> If the code bars are behaving OK -
> Type the same thing while looking at the transfer levers (to the right 
> of the transmitter contact box)
> If they aren't behaving you probably have something gummed up from old 
> grease or a missing spring.
>
> If the transfer levers are behaving OK you probably have dirty 
> contacts, loose connection, or a bad noise suppression network (inside 
> the transmitter box)
> Watch a loop current meter as you turn the motor by hand.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:52 AM Robert DelGatto 
> <rdelgatt at optonline.net <mailto:rdelgatt at optonline.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hello all, I have this 28ksr for many years, recently retired and
>     now have the time to get it going. Cleaned,
>     lubed, and got the receive to print perfect with MPC1000r Dovetron
>     set to 60 mils. Transmit another story,
>     keyboard works but no inputs will match the outputs, mostly spaces
>     and wrong letters. I cleaned contacts
>     in the signal generator and made no adjustments to anything on the
>     keyboard. I installed a 3 speed
>     transmission which works perfectly but still need to make up
>     linkage. The printer case is a TT69-70 type
>     mounted on the usually base, LSU is SB-964/ug, Typing unit is
>     LP-77yd/agm, Keyboard is Mx114a/ug
>     with a Mx-1114c/ug signal generator.
>     The typing unit has a replacement tag under the model, RO10,
>     probably not original plate. I don't know
>     that there would be a difference with RO, receive only that would
>     prevent the keyboard from working?
>     The case has 3 connection strips in the upper rear, I am using 5
>     and 6 for receive, havens gotten to tx
>     yet. Any help would be really appreciated.
>     Thanks Bob Kc2ltx
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
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>
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>     https://teletype.net/gksearch
>     >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>     http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>     >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>     http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>     >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>     http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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>
>
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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John, W9DDD


From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr  2 12:40:25 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:40:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 28 KSR keyboard problem
In-Reply-To: <efca88b9-bbd3-6dd0-b927-d3d8fd75ee92@tapr.org>
References: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
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OK, I see that the MX 1114A vs. C may be the result of a field applied 
modification kit where the A plate didn't get removed after the C plate 
was applied.  My bad.  Read too fast and didn't notice the base number 
was the same.  I was off on a tangent thinking some electronics had been 
applied for low level signally.


On 4/2/2024 11:27 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Hi Bob, you said you had it for a long time.  Did it ever work or you 
> acquired it way back when and this is the first hit on it?  I guess I 
> should look up those military numbers, but the reference to a separate 
> number for a signal generator seemed kind of strange.  Civilian 
> versions only have one reference number for the whole keyboard.
>
> When you say there are 3 terminal strips in the back, are they 
> numbered 1-30?  That would indicate a fairly old cabinet.  Yet the 
> LP77 is a relatively high number.  Also LP77 would be for 7.0 code, 
> which would have a different gear to drive the keyboard than a 7.42 
> printer.  My recollection though is that a 7.0 printer won't sit down 
> properly on a 7.42 keyboard/base.  So you probably don't have that 
> mismatch.  (LK25 was the keyboard that came with my LP77)
>
> But getting back to the signal generator thing,  That's the first 
> thing that threw a red flag to me.
>
> Anyhow take the above as being worth what you paid for it.
>
> (this makes me go hmm, my LP77 and LK25 never had any MX number tags 
> on them. Strange?)
>
>
> On 4/2/2024 10:38 AM, Nick England wrote:
>> I can?t think of any effect of the typing unit on the keyboard other 
>> than something that would keep it from working at all (like a 
>> busted/wrong drive gear).
>>
>> Reference -
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/jh/ttyman3/TeletypeManuals/model28/Instructional/28_Keyboard.pdf 
>>
>>
>> Please give us more info.
>> If you type the same character over and over do you always get the 
>> same result?
>> RRRRRR   YYYYYYY  EEEEEE TTTTTTT
>> What do you you get when typing BLANK over and over?
>>
>> Isolate the problem between the code bars, transfer levers, and 
>> transmitter contacts.
>> You may want to manually rotate the motor to see things in slow 
>> motion. Pull the top of the fan (on the right end of the motor) 
>> toward you.
>>
>> Watch the code bars at the right side-
>> Type E LF SP CR T yo make one code bar at a time move.
>> Type E A U K LTR V M O T to make 1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 code bars move 
>> together
>>
>> If the code bars are behaving OK -
>> Type the same thing while looking at the transfer levers (to the 
>> right of the transmitter contact box)
>> If they aren't behaving you probably have something gummed up from 
>> old grease or a missing spring.
>>
>> If the transfer levers are behaving OK you probably have dirty 
>> contacts, loose connection, or a bad noise suppression network 
>> (inside the transmitter box)
>> Watch a loop current meter as you turn the motor by hand.
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:52 AM Robert DelGatto 
>> <rdelgatt at optonline.net <mailto:rdelgatt at optonline.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello all, I have this 28ksr for many years, recently retired and
>>     now have the time to get it going. Cleaned,
>>     lubed, and got the receive to print perfect with MPC1000r Dovetron
>>     set to 60 mils. Transmit another story,
>>     keyboard works but no inputs will match the outputs, mostly spaces
>>     and wrong letters. I cleaned contacts
>>     in the signal generator and made no adjustments to anything on the
>>     keyboard. I installed a 3 speed
>>     transmission which works perfectly but still need to make up
>>     linkage. The printer case is a TT69-70 type
>>     mounted on the usually base, LSU is SB-964/ug, Typing unit is
>>     LP-77yd/agm, Keyboard is Mx114a/ug
>>     with a Mx-1114c/ug signal generator.
>>     The typing unit has a replacement tag under the model, RO10,
>>     probably not original plate. I don't know
>>     that there would be a difference with RO, receive only that would
>>     prevent the keyboard from working?
>>     The case has 3 connection strips in the upper rear, I am using 5
>>     and 6 for receive, havens gotten to tx
>>     yet. Any help would be really appreciated.
>>     Thanks Bob Kc2ltx
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>>     GreenKeys mailing list
>>     Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>     Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>     Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>     <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>>     >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>     https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>     >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>     http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>     >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>     http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>     >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>     http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>>     This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>     Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>>     <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to w9ddd at tapr.org
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John, W9DDD


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 12:57:44 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 12:57:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mod 28 KSR keyboard problem
In-Reply-To: <efca88b9-bbd3-6dd0-b927-d3d8fd75ee92@tapr.org>
References: <89135072-7547-467E-9638-8BD3B3E8F0B6@optonline.net>
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Yeah that's weird - the LP77 is 7.00 and the MX-1114C (LK10) is 7.42.
I don't think the 7.42 keyboard shaft will mesh with the 7.00 drive gear on
the LP77 main shaft
I ran into that on one of my first teletypes -
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28asr/rtty-05.htm

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 12:27?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> Hi Bob, you said you had it for a long time.  Did it ever work or you
> acquired it way back when and this is the first hit on it?  I guess I
> should look up those military numbers, but the reference to a separate
> number for a signal generator seemed kind of strange.  Civilian versions
> only have one reference number for the whole keyboard.
>
> When you say there are 3 terminal strips in the back, are they numbered
> 1-30?  That would indicate a fairly old cabinet.  Yet the LP77 is a
> relatively high number.  Also LP77 would be for 7.0 code, which would
> have a different gear to drive the keyboard than a 7.42 printer.  My
> recollection though is that a 7.0 printer won't sit down properly on a
> 7.42 keyboard/base.  So you probably don't have that mismatch.  (LK25
> was the keyboard that came with my LP77)
>
> But getting back to the signal generator thing,  That's the first thing
> that threw a red flag to me.
>
> Anyhow take the above as being worth what you paid for it.
>
> (this makes me go hmm, my LP77 and LK25 never had any MX number tags on
> them. Strange?)
>
>
> On 4/2/2024 10:38 AM, Nick England wrote:
> > I can?t think of any effect of the typing unit on the keyboard other
> > than something that would keep it from working at all (like a
> > busted/wrong drive gear).
> >
> > Reference -
> >
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/jh/ttyman3/TeletypeManuals/model28/Instructional/28_Keyboard.pdf
> >
> > Please give us more info.
> > If you type the same character over and over do you always get the
> > same result?
> > RRRRRR   YYYYYYY  EEEEEE TTTTTTT
> > What do you you get when typing BLANK over and over?
> >
> > Isolate the problem between the code bars, transfer levers, and
> > transmitter contacts.
> > You may want to manually rotate the motor to see things in slow
> > motion. Pull the top of the fan (on the right end of the motor) toward
> > you.
> >
> > Watch the code bars at the right side-
> > Type E LF SP CR T yo make one code bar at a time move.
> > Type E A U K LTR V M O T to make 1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 code bars move
> together
> >
> > If the code bars are behaving OK -
> > Type the same thing while looking at the transfer levers (to the right
> > of the transmitter contact box)
> > If they aren't behaving you probably have something gummed up from old
> > grease or a missing spring.
> >
> > If the transfer levers are behaving OK you probably have dirty
> > contacts, loose connection, or a bad noise suppression network (inside
> > the transmitter box)
> > Watch a loop current meter as you turn the motor by hand.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:52 AM Robert DelGatto
> > <rdelgatt at optonline.net <mailto:rdelgatt at optonline.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hello all, I have this 28ksr for many years, recently retired and
> >     now have the time to get it going. Cleaned,
> >     lubed, and got the receive to print perfect with MPC1000r Dovetron
> >     set to 60 mils. Transmit another story,
> >     keyboard works but no inputs will match the outputs, mostly spaces
> >     and wrong letters. I cleaned contacts
> >     in the signal generator and made no adjustments to anything on the
> >     keyboard. I installed a 3 speed
> >     transmission which works perfectly but still need to make up
> >     linkage. The printer case is a TT69-70 type
> >     mounted on the usually base, LSU is SB-964/ug, Typing unit is
> >     LP-77yd/agm, Keyboard is Mx114a/ug
> >     with a Mx-1114c/ug signal generator.
> >     The typing unit has a replacement tag under the model, RO10,
> >     probably not original plate. I don't know
> >     that there would be a difference with RO, receive only that would
> >     prevent the keyboard from working?
> >     The case has 3 connection strips in the upper rear, I am using 5
> >     and 6 for receive, havens gotten to tx
> >     yet. Any help would be really appreciated.
> >     Thanks Bob Kc2ltx
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 17:35:55 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:35:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
Message-ID: <CAB55hNftc_+F3opAUGHrjqmjxcyrzJvgc_C+xNKB27jGa=0fzQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can't find the YD listed anywhere,
Looks Gothic to me.

Nick England K4NYW
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr  2 18:11:04 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:11:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNftc_+F3opAUGHrjqmjxcyrzJvgc_C+xNKB27jGa=0fzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNftc_+F3opAUGHrjqmjxcyrzJvgc_C+xNKB27jGa=0fzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2df5f1a-a627-aaf4-c41b-a58714f80be8@tapr.org>

Call it an undocumented typebox?

If you look at BSP 570-020-800, you'll find that it would be impossible 
list every possible combination in the printer manual.

https://navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/570-020-800-7404.pdf

There is an AYD for the 37 and a DY for the 35 listed in their 
respective parts section.


On 4/2/2024 4:35 PM, Nick England wrote:
> I can't find the YD listed anywhere,
> Looks Gothic to me.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From rdelgatt at optonline.net  Tue Apr  2 12:58:01 2024
From: rdelgatt at optonline.net (Robert DelGatto)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 12:58:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 KSR
Message-ID: <0A88782F-0A93-4915-A998-7557850CE702@optonline.net>

Thank you all for responding! I will be helping my son shortly with his kids so I don't
have too much time to check all your concerns.
Understand that this unit came from The Patterson Armory 20 odd years ago, Jack
got me in there and I went back a few more times.  If I remember this was an empty 
case that I loaded up with what ever I thought it needed at the time. I picked up parts 
to support this and a mod 15 through the next century. 
More observation, the lock keyboard key bounces up and down, you push unlock 
and it stays unlocked for a while, then relocks (bouncing). RYRYRY works fine on 
receive. Haven?t tried send yet. 
When you push a key it always repeats the same 
character with each push, some keys are only a space. The code bars under the 
signal gen the one most to the front  has a different spring, seems about the similar 
tension.  
So many thanks, Bob

From rdelgatt at optonline.net  Wed Apr  3 14:44:10 2024
From: rdelgatt at optonline.net (Robert DelGatto)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:44:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28 ksr Keyboard problem
Message-ID: <9B00BE9E-07D9-49E2-B191-5975C9747678@optonline.net>

Latest observations, ok had some time to further check some of your suggestions. Checking the 
Keyboard typing RYRY cycles everything but only prints a space and after a short while the KLOC goes 
down by itself and bounces up and down. Pushing the unlock will stop that after a while. The only 
Key that is correct is M, push an M and you get an M. On the keyboard code bars, r side from the 
rear there are 2 - 2 - 3 - 1  the rear second 1 has no spring, no hole for one, its loose but never 
moves. The others all move l and r and have springs. Definitely nothing gummed up. 
Three terminal strips in the rear are 1-30 ac on 29-30 and ground stud to the case.
The large cable pulley on the right of typing unit is just that no extra goodies on that wheel. 
The signal generator has 2 tubes running into it for wire shielding all nicely soldered to the case.  
I think this repair will be a while! I have a Model 15, I know it and understand it. It will need a 
cleaning and some fresh oil, I might put that back in service so I can get back on the air, been 20 
odd years. That will be connected to  Teletype power supply, a Tempest, and a newly acquired 
Sunair RT-9000b RX. 
Again Thank You Bob Kc2ltx
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From shumaker at att.net  Wed Apr  3 19:19:31 2024
From: shumaker at att.net (steve shumaker)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:19:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype UA15 Paper Winder
References: <7b0c0783-ff02-499e-bdfa-f2951dd81485.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <7b0c0783-ff02-499e-bdfa-f2951dd81485@att.net>

OK,? Still rather newbie to a lot of the teletype equip.?? A Hibid 
auction in Indiana has a listing for a Western Union Teletype UA15 Paper 
Winder:

https://hibid.com/lot/191426150/antique-western-union-teletype-ua15-paper-winder

Wold this be used to create rolls of blank paper from some sort of 
stock?? or to roll up paper? that's been printed?

Steve
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From til128 at juno.com  Wed Apr  3 19:25:43 2024
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:25:43 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype UA15 Paper Winder
Message-ID: <20240403.192543.19702.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

It is used to roll up paper as it is being printed.It goes on top of a 15. Tom WB2TTY

---------- Original Message ----------
From: steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net>
To: Mail List - Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype UA15 Paper Winder
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:19:31 -0700


OK,  Still rather newbie to a lot of the teletype equip.   A Hibid auction in Indiana has a listing for a Western Union Teletype UA15 Paper Winder:
 
 https://hibid.com/lot/191426150/antique-western-union-teletype-ua15-paper-winder
 
 Wold this be used to create rolls of blank paper from some sort of stock?  or to roll up paper  that's been printed?
 
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From shumaker at att.net  Wed Apr  3 19:30:11 2024
From: shumaker at att.net (steve shumaker)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:30:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype UA15 Paper Winder
In-Reply-To: <20240403.192543.19702.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
References: <20240403.192543.19702.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <34bd9410-f7d8-4e45-bbe4-e316af772125@att.net>

Thanks!

Steve

On 4/3/24 4:25 PM, til128 at juno.com wrote:
> It is used to roll up paper as it is being printed.
> It goes on top of a 15.
> Tom WB2TTY
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net>
> To: Mail List - Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype UA15 Paper Winder
> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:19:31 -0700
>
> OK,? Still rather newbie to a lot of the teletype equip.?? A Hibid 
> auction in Indiana has a listing for a Western Union Teletype UA15 
> Paper Winder:
>
> https://hibid.com/lot/191426150/antique-western-union-teletype-ua15-paper-winder
>
> Wold this be used to create rolls of blank paper from some sort of 
> stock?? or to roll up paper? that's been printed?
>
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From rttyelectronics at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  4 15:12:33 2024
From: rttyelectronics at yahoo.com (paul cembura)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:12:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
In-Reply-To: <d2df5f1a-a627-aaf4-c41b-a58714f80be8@tapr.org>
References: <CAB55hNftc_+F3opAUGHrjqmjxcyrzJvgc_C+xNKB27jGa=0fzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<d2df5f1a-a627-aaf4-c41b-a58714f80be8@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <1733101439.3294782.1712257953827@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi gang

The YD typebox is part # 173803 and is Gothic style 10cpiPaul? mr_rtty
    On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 03:13:37 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:  
 
 Call it an undocumented typebox?

If you look at BSP 570-020-800, you'll find that it would be impossible 
list every possible combination in the printer manual.

https://navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/570-020-800-7404.pdf

There is an AYD for the 37 and a DY for the 35 listed in their 
respective parts section.


On 4/2/2024 4:35 PM, Nick England wrote:
> I can't find the YD listed anywhere,
> Looks Gothic to me.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Thu Apr  4 16:25:51 2024
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 15:25:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
In-Reply-To: <1733101439.3294782.1712257953827@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAB55hNftc_+F3opAUGHrjqmjxcyrzJvgc_C+xNKB27jGa=0fzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<d2df5f1a-a627-aaf4-c41b-a58714f80be8@tapr.org>
	<1733101439.3294782.1712257953827@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <311E5CED-9976-4387-ACD3-5F19334FF6CB@xsmail.com>


I knew a few gothic-style guys back in high school - back in the day, but we were all then in our teens ;p . 


> On Apr 4, 2024, at 2:12?PM, paul cembura via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi gang
> 
> 
> The YD typebox is part # 173803 and is Gothic style 10cpi
> Paul  mr_rtty

From w1aea at myfairpoint.net  Thu Apr  4 20:48:45 2024
From: w1aea at myfairpoint.net (w1aea at myfairpoint.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 20:48:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] tty machines for sale
Message-ID: <1712278125.yp6i4xq2o0kswocw@webmail.myfairpoint.net>

Hi all
I still have two  tty machines for sale? a Mod 15 all original? WWII is sure with trasport case, and a Model 32
Pick up only? in?North west Vt.
jeff w1aea
??????

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Thu Apr  4 22:28:06 2024
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 02:28:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] tty machines for sale
In-Reply-To: <1712278125.yp6i4xq2o0kswocw@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
References: <1712278125.yp6i4xq2o0kswocw@webmail.myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <816598558.4748124.1712284086609@mail.yahoo.com>

 Always the good stuff is 1000 miles away... Wish I could find a WWII military Model 15.
WayneWB4OGM
    On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 07:09:12 PM MDT, <w1aea at myfairpoint.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi all
I still have two? tty machines for sale? a Mod 15 all original? WWII is sure with trasport case, and a Model 32
Pick up only? in?North west Vt.
jeff w1aea
??????
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From til128 at juno.com  Fri Apr  5 08:56:13 2024
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 12:56:13 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
Message-ID: <20240405.085613.23449.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Amazing - always learning. Thank you Paul for the info. Tom WB2TTY Tillson 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: paul cembura via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
To: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>,  Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>, "John, W9DDD" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:12:33 +0000 (UTC)


 Hi gang  The YD typebox is part # 173803 and is Gothic style 10cpiPaul  mr_rtty On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 03:13:37 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:  Call it an undocumented typebox?If you look at BSP 570-020-800, you'll find that it would be impossible list every possible combination in the printer manual.https://navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/570-020-800-7404.pdfThere is an AYD for the 37 and a DY for the 35 listed in their respective parts section.On 4/2/2024 4:35 PM, Nick England wrote:> I can't find the YD listed anywhere,> Looks Gothic to me.>> Nick England K4NYW> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>>>> ______________________________________________________________> GreenKeys mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to w9ddd at tapr.org-- -------The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.John, W9DDD______________________________________________________________GreenKeys mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeysHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.htmlThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to rttyelectronics at yahoo.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 09:52:12 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 09:52:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
In-Reply-To: <20240405.085613.23449.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
References: <20240405.085613.23449.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNf9-gNrWMQbgg+UOnNn9VwkYBOsVJgE3H6Kjof5ubXRHA@mail.gmail.com>

Once Paul posted the TP number I was able to find YD in a 1975 list of
typebox arrangements.
I put that list here -
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/typebox-28-1975.pdf

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 8:58?AM til128 at juno.com <til128 at juno.com> wrote:

> Amazing - always learning.
>
> Thank you Paul for the info.
>
> Tom WB2TTY Tillson
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: paul cembura via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>,  Greenkeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>, "John, W9DDD" <w9ddd at tapr.org>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] What is M28 YD typebox?
> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:12:33 +0000 (UTC)
>
>
> Hi gang
>
>
> The YD typebox is part # 173803 and is Gothic style 10cpi
> Paul  mr_rtty
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 03:13:37 PM PDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> Call it an undocumented typebox?
>
> If you look at BSP 570-020-800, you'll find that it would be impossible
> list every possible combination in the printer manual.
>
> https://navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/570-020-800-7404.pdf
>
> There is an AYD for the 37 and a DY for the 35 listed in their
> respective parts section.
>
>
> On 4/2/2024 4:35 PM, Nick England wrote:
> > I can't find the YD listed anywhere,
> > Looks Gothic to me.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> >
> >
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> >>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>
> John, W9DDD
>
>
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  5 20:40:12 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 19:40:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union 202-A relay adjustment
Message-ID: <1505947546.229635.1712364029041@yahoo.com>

Hi,??? ? ?I'm having trouble finding the gap adjustment online for a 202-A.? Anybody know what it should be?? ? ? Thanks? ? ? ? ? ?AndySent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Apr  6 10:07:34 2024
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 14:07:34 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union 202-A relay adjustment
Message-ID: <20240406.100734.8539.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

I believe this is what you are looking for: https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/259B-5912.pdf Tom WB2TTY

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To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union 202-A relay adjustment
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 19:40:12 -0500


 Hi,       I'm having trouble finding the gap adjustment online for a 202-A.  Anybody know what it should be?      Thanks           Andy  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone 
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  6 17:32:35 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2024 16:32:35 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union 202-A relay adjustment
Message-ID: <1902421940.506573.1712439161740@yahoo.com>

It is thank you.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Apr  6 20:16:57 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 20:16:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletype stuff for free - Whittier CA
In-Reply-To: <1612041848.6782169.1712443393682@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1612041848.6782169.1712443393682.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1612041848.6782169.1712443393682@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeCpa+bFhTE5QGtjhEmYv+80tNvJhPuxKwJ2oZE+pEdCg@mail.gmail.com>

reply to Mike  km6ab at pacbell.net - I know nothing more
He's in Whittier CA

---------- Forwarded message ---------
In a message dated 04/06/24 15:15:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
km6ab at pacbell.net writes:


A friend in town has a number of teletype model 28, 15 and another model
for free, take all or nothing. I posted in a mil radio forum and Daniel
Jones replied awhile back but that ended up in my junk box. Anyway, if the
Iowa or anyone else wants the stuff please let me know.
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From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Sat Apr  6 22:18:56 2024
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 02:18:56 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] M19 Punch Assemblies Available-Part 111022
Message-ID: <1e7fb747-059a-4cca-97c6-cc19a116f83f@gmail.com>

I still have several punch blocks remaining from a passed over auction 
lot.These are part 111022, the drop-in replacement for 89504.? They 
mostly are boxed and wrapped in factory cellophane and will need some 
light oil to loosen up but they are new! If you have the need, one per 
customer, for $10 and that includes USA shipping. 73, John W1AN
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From m38inmaine at gmail.com  Sun Apr  7 09:24:59 2024
From: m38inmaine at gmail.com (MilComm Guy)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:24:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-98 Wanted
Message-ID: <CAGzJkdzMp9PTgJQgMfYRF_Z3=CK4k+d98DCj8yB6t0nHtpc_yw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning, I am looking for a working TT-98 to replace the UGC-74/B in
my GRC-142 teletype shelter, i would like to get it back to it's original
all mechanical form factor.  I am willing to pay shipping or I may be at a
hamfest or military show you are attending, etc.  Once a TT-98 is found I
will have a nice working UGC-74/B for sale.

Thank you
Mark
K1HF
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From thomasekleinschmidt at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  7 12:16:47 2024
From: thomasekleinschmidt at yahoo.com (thomasekleinschmidt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 16:16:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] TT-98 Wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAGzJkdzMp9PTgJQgMfYRF_Z3=CK4k+d98DCj8yB6t0nHtpc_yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGzJkdzMp9PTgJQgMfYRF_Z3=CK4k+d98DCj8yB6t0nHtpc_yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1031506109.5409265.1712506607427@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Mark,?
I have a number of KL page printers. Plenty of other KL equipment that is available too. I am in in the Chicago area.?
Tom?
847-946-7701


    On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 08:26:09 AM CDT, MilComm Guy <m38inmaine at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Good morning, I am looking for a working TT-98 to replace the UGC-74/B in my GRC-142 teletype shelter, i would like to get it back to it's original all mechanical form factor.? I am willing to pay shipping or I may be at a hamfest or military show you are attending, etc.? Once a TT-98 is found I will have a nice working UGC-74/B for sale.
Thank youMarkK1HF______________________________________________________________
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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Mon Apr  8 01:40:31 2024
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 01:40:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] A Theory on Sunspot Cycles
Message-ID: <CAJK8692hzUMna4t9CVcgvF-7pG0edFjRUXZxmnn=7PPXHnNdFw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an interesting theory about how planets affect sunspot cycles and
hence radio propagation on Earth.

He doesn't get around to it until more a little more than halfway through
the video .
Don't be put off by Hecklefish. To prevent his videos becoming boring
lectures, AJ injects occasional
humor into them in the form of a talking goldfish that keeps putting him
off his train of thought.
It actually makes the videos much more likable. I have gotten hooked on
them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jtqMGKaw6c

Tom   N3CRK
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr  8 13:16:36 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:16:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] another M28 typebox question - RX
Message-ID: <CAB55hNexvT8=mtqZ7RRJAfxeSJeOZ5=n7kQmwmDNQocKbX9uwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Lots of Bell System typing units are things like LP15RX/AR where IIRC, the
RX is the typebox style and the AR is the stunt box style.
But what is typebox RX ? I can't find it.
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/typebox-28-1975.pdf

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Mon Apr  8 19:44:22 2024
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:44:22 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
Message-ID: <BL1PR12MB52690B1568ED83EEF96D248CB5002@BL1PR12MB5269.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

For many years, I've used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in loop supply. These days as I am using a different TU for the 850 shift stuff. I still use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold) mode just to have it supply loop current to the equipment as my CV-2460 expects and external loop supply (but not use the ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).

The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has been reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the ST-6 as I don't think it was meant to handle more than a few devices. I have maxed out the rheostat in the ST6 (or minimized it as is the case). So I acquired a navy loop supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that can supply 120VDC at a full 1A output.

I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its internal loop supply and allow it to be used with an external supply? This way I can use one loop supply regardless of which TU/CV I am using to drive the loop (of course, the unused TU/CV would have to be in bypass/standby/mark-hold mode).

Thanks


73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos

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From jpruitt67 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 03:54:23 2024
From: jpruitt67 at gmail.com (Jim Pruitt)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 00:54:23 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB52690B1568ED83EEF96D248CB5002@BL1PR12MB5269.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB52690B1568ED83EEF96D248CB5002@BL1PR12MB5269.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3ad78c40-9740-4ada-8aa1-efc68352a769@gmail.com>

Eugene,

The DT600 was an updated version of the ST6.? It did not include an 
internal loop supply but you could provide an external supply if 
needed/wanted.? I suspect that you could do the same with the ST6.

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY

On 4/8/2024 4:44 PM, W2HX wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> For many years, I?ve used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in loop 
> supply. These days as I am using a different TU for the 850 shift 
> stuff. I still use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold) mode just to have 
> it supply loop current to the equipment as my CV-2460 expects and 
> external loop supply (but not use the ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).
>
> The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has been 
> reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the ST-6 as I 
> don?t think it was meant to handle more than a few devices. I have 
> maxed out the rheostat in the ST6 (or minimized it as is the case). So 
> I acquired a navy loop supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that 
> can supply 120VDC at a full 1A output.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its internal 
> loop supply and allow it to be used with an external supply? This way 
> I can use one loop supply regardless of which TU/CV I am using to 
> drive the loop (of course, the unused TU/CV would have to be in 
> bypass/standby/mark-hold mode).
>
> Thanks
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos 
> <https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos>
>
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From pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com  Tue Apr  9 07:33:59 2024
From: pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com (Paul Wills (CKT&T))
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 07:33:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Perl distribution for Heavy Metal
Message-ID: <c8dcfa22-9aac-4f5a-a67a-e93cadcb9f97@cedarknolltelephone.com>

This might be a longshot but I'm trying to make an executable Heavy 
Metal that incorporates a few changes I made. Unfortunately, none of the 
32 bit versions I have will run the converter that makes it work.

Does anyone have an older version of a 32 bit ActivePerl installer they 
could share?? 5.20.1 would be perfect but I would be interested in 
anything around the 5.20's.

Thanks,

PDW


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 07:49:58 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 07:49:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB52690B1568ED83EEF96D248CB5002@BL1PR12MB5269.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB52690B1568ED83EEF96D248CB5002@BL1PR12MB5269.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfszk_rOyds8vzxR_FkLXoQO7qVAkt4bKK8Fu48T8EDHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do I understand you are using your ST-6 in series with your CV-2460 and TTY
machines?
Then your problem getting 60ma isn?t the ST-6 current capability but having
enough voltage to overcome all the serial loop resistance. That may be way
too much voltage. See #2 below

1) Standard practice is to have multiple loops driven by a single loop
supply. Each loop has only one TU or CV with jacks/patch cords to insert a
TTY into the desired loop. The 1000ma loop supply is so you can supply a
dozen parallel loops. No one runs a single 1000ma loop!

2) IIRC, the CV-2460 has a low current mark-hold where it inserts an
additional 2K resistor into the loop. That?s sufficient to hold the
selector magnets in, but it?ll obviously cause a low current issue if you
are using the ST-6.

I highly recommend configuration #1. Don?t modify your ST-6, just make it?s
loop separate from all the other loops driven by the Navy supply. Navy TTY
patch panels include jumper posts so that any of the 6 (or 24) loops can be
powered either by that loop?s TU or by the large common supply.

Works good, works fine, paint it gray, lasts a long time.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 7:45 PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
>
>
> For many years, I?ve used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in loop supply.
> These days as I am using a different TU for the 850 shift stuff. I still
> use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold) mode just to have it supply loop
> current to the equipment as my CV-2460 expects and external loop supply
> (but not use the ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).
>
>
>
> The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has been
> reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the ST-6 as I don?t
> think it was meant to handle more than a few devices. I have maxed out the
> rheostat in the ST6 (or minimized it as is the case). So I acquired a navy
> loop supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that can supply 120VDC at a
> full 1A output.
>
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its internal
> loop supply and allow it to be used with an external supply? This way I can
> use one loop supply regardless of which TU/CV I am using to drive the loop
> (of course, the unused TU/CV would have to be in bypass/standby/mark-hold
> mode).
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 07:52:16 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 07:52:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfszk_rOyds8vzxR_FkLXoQO7qVAkt4bKK8Fu48T8EDHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB52690B1568ED83EEF96D248CB5002@BL1PR12MB5269.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAB55hNfszk_rOyds8vzxR_FkLXoQO7qVAkt4bKK8Fu48T8EDHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfWPm0xc71cTU7cp=i4ReaURifUYCU=mAiH_J2bf9VEcw@mail.gmail.com>

Update. I know the difference between its and it?s but autocorrect doesn?t.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 7:49 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do I understand you are using your ST-6 in series with your CV-2460 and
> TTY machines?
> Then your problem getting 60ma isn?t the ST-6 current capability but
> having enough voltage to overcome all the serial loop resistance. That may
> be way too much voltage. See #2 below
>
> 1) Standard practice is to have multiple loops driven by a single loop
> supply. Each loop has only one TU or CV with jacks/patch cords to insert a
> TTY into the desired loop. The 1000ma loop supply is so you can supply a
> dozen parallel loops. No one runs a single 1000ma loop!
>
> 2) IIRC, the CV-2460 has a low current mark-hold where it inserts an
> additional 2K resistor into the loop. That?s sufficient to hold the
> selector magnets in, but it?ll obviously cause a low current issue if you
> are using the ST-6.
>
> I highly recommend configuration #1. Don?t modify your ST-6, just make
> it?s loop separate from all the other loops driven by the Navy supply. Navy
> TTY patch panels include jumper posts so that any of the 6 (or 24) loops
> can be powered either by that loop?s TU or by the large common supply.
>
> Works good, works fine, paint it gray, lasts a long time.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 7:45 PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> For many years, I?ve used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in loop supply.
>> These days as I am using a different TU for the 850 shift stuff. I still
>> use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold) mode just to have it supply loop
>> current to the equipment as my CV-2460 expects and external loop supply
>> (but not use the ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).
>>
>>
>>
>> The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has been
>> reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the ST-6 as I don?t
>> think it was meant to handle more than a few devices. I have maxed out the
>> rheostat in the ST6 (or minimized it as is the case). So I acquired a navy
>> loop supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that can supply 120VDC at a
>> full 1A output.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its internal
>> loop supply and allow it to be used with an external supply? This way I can
>> use one loop supply regardless of which TU/CV I am using to drive the loop
>> (of course, the unused TU/CV would have to be in bypass/standby/mark-hold
>> mode).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr  9 08:15:23 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 07:15:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
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I'm blessed to have versions of the mailer and OS that don't have the 
auto correct.  I can take credit/blame for any and all of the mistakes.

Now understand the failure rate of many of my past projects.  No gray 
paint in the BOM.

On 4/9/2024 6:52 AM, Nick England wrote:
> Update. I know the difference between its and it?s but autocorrect 
> doesn?t.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 7:49 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Do I understand you are using your ST-6 in series with your
>     CV-2460 and TTY machines?
>     Then your problem getting 60ma isn?t the ST-6 current capability
>     but having enough voltage to overcome all the serial loop
>     resistance. That may be way too much voltage. See #2 below
>
>     1) Standard practice is to have multiple loops driven by a single
>     loop supply. Each loop has only one TU or CV with jacks/patch
>     cords to insert a TTY into the desired loop. The 1000ma loop
>     supply is so you can supply a dozen parallel loops. No one runs a
>     single 1000ma loop!
>
>     2) IIRC, the CV-2460 has a low current mark-hold where it inserts
>     an additional 2K resistor into the loop. That?s sufficient to hold
>     the selector magnets in, but it?ll obviously cause a low current
>     issue if you are using the ST-6.
>
>     I highly recommend configuration #1. Don?t modify your ST-6, just
>     make it?s loop separate from all the other loops driven by the
>     Navy supply. Navy TTY patch panels include jumper posts so that
>     any of the 6 (or 24) loops can be powered either by that loop?s TU
>     or by the large common supply.
>
>     Works good, works fine, paint it gray, lasts a long time.
>
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
>     On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 7:45 PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com
>     <mailto:w2hx at w2hx.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi all
>
>         For many years, I?ve used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in
>         loop supply. These days as I am using a different TU for the
>         850 shift stuff. I still use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold)
>         mode just to have it supply loop current to the equipment as
>         my CV-2460 expects and external loop supply (but not use the
>         ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).
>
>         The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has
>         been reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the
>         ST-6 as I don?t think it was meant to handle more than a few
>         devices. I have maxed out the rheostat in the ST6 (or
>         minimized it as is the case). So I acquired a navy loop
>         supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that can supply 120VDC
>         at a full 1A output.
>
>         I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its
>         internal loop supply and allow it to be used with an external
>         supply? This way I can use one loop supply regardless of which
>         TU/CV I am using to drive the loop (of course, the unused
>         TU/CV would have to be in bypass/standby/mark-hold mode).
>
>         Thanks
>
>         73 Eugene W2HX
>         My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
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John, W9DDD


From w9ddd at tapr.org  Tue Apr  9 23:12:49 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 22:12:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
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My plan for my ST-6 is to remove the current HV transistor and replace 
with the same device (AQY280EH?) used as the loop driver in the Volpe 
board.  Then the output can be patched anywhere like a keyboard.  Bear 
in mind my ST-6 is a home brew on perf board so I have no qualms about 
such a modification.

Actually you could use the AQY280EH on an outboard assy., put a diode 
bridge and resistor arrangement to knock the 60 ma down to something 
around 2ma for the input and then use the output anywhere you'd use a 
keyboard.  I think you'd also want some sort of snubber on the output of 
the AQY280 perhaps even the usual 470 ohm in series with the 100 nF 
cap.  That would eliminate any need to modify the ST-6 or any other TU 
that has the internal loop supply.

John, W9DDD

On Apr 8, 2024, at 6:44 PM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com <mailto:w2hx at w2hx.com>> 
wrote:

> Hi all
>
> For many years, I?ve used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in loop 
> supply. These days as I am using a different TU for the 850 shift 
> stuff. I still use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold) mode just to have 
> it supply loop current to the equipment as my CV-2460 expects and 
> external loop supply (but not use the ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).
>
> The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has been 
> reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the ST-6 as I 
> don?t think it was meant to handle more than a few devices. I have 
> maxed out the rheostat in the ST6 (or minimized it as is the case). So 
> I acquired a navy loop supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that 
> can supply 120VDC at a full 1A output.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its internal 
> loop supply and allow it to be used with an external supply? This way 
> I can use one loop supply regardless of which TU/CV I am using to 
> drive the loop (of course, the unused TU/CV would have to be in 
> bypass/standby/mark-hold mode).
>
> Thanks
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
> <PP-3495A--UG.JPG>
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Wed Apr 10 12:06:39 2024
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 16:06:39 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?
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Ok, I have to do more homework on this. I figured the ST-6 cannot maintain the 60mA because the voltage was dropping (as you suggested).
> No one runs a single 1000ma loop!
Understood. I was planning to put a 1500 ohm resistor in series with a 500 ohm rheostat to manage the loop current. My math suggests that with a total of 250 ohms of device resistance, and 120VDC loop voltage, that 500 ohm rheostat would allow me the right range to adjust to 60 mA.

> CV-2460 has a low current mark-hold where it inserts an additional 2K resistor into the loop.
This is not something I had considered.

> Each loop has only one TU or CV with jacks/patch cords to insert a TTY into the desired loop.
I understand this. I?ll have to review some schematics from those navy patch boxes to see how it looks. But in an ideal world, I like the idea of having more than one TU/CV on the same loop with the same equipment and just decide which to send audio to/from for what shift I need. This eliminates the need to patch/unpatch equipment ? especially since I never do any simultaneous work on different channels/different machines.

All good info. I?ll do more homework here! Thanks!

73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos

From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 7:50 AM
To: W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com>
Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Loop supplies/ST-6?

Do I understand you are using your ST-6 in series with your CV-2460 and TTY machines?
Then your problem getting 60ma isn?t the ST-6 current capability but having enough voltage to overcome all the serial loop resistance. That may be way too much voltage. See #2 below

1) Standard practice is to have multiple loops driven by a single loop supply. Each loop has only one TU or CV with jacks/patch cords to insert a TTY into the desired loop. The 1000ma loop supply is so you can supply a dozen parallel loops. No one runs a single 1000ma loop!

2) IIRC, the CV-2460 has a low current mark-hold where it inserts an additional 2K resistor into the loop. That?s sufficient to hold the selector magnets in, but it?ll obviously cause a low current issue if you are using the ST-6.

I highly recommend configuration #1. Don?t modify your ST-6, just make it?s loop separate from all the other loops driven by the Navy supply. Navy TTY patch panels include jumper posts so that any of the 6 (or 24) loops can be powered either by that loop?s TU or by the large common supply.

Works good, works fine, paint it gray, lasts a long time.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 7:45 PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com<mailto:w2hx at w2hx.com>> wrote:
Hi all

For many years, I?ve used my ST-6 as my TU with its built-in loop supply. These days as I am using a different TU for the 850 shift stuff. I still use my ST-6 but in STDBY (mark hold) mode just to have it supply loop current to the equipment as my CV-2460 expects and external loop supply (but not use the ST-6 as a TU for 850 Hz).

The number of machines on the loop has grown and therefore has been reducing the current that is able to be supplied by the ST-6 as I don?t think it was meant to handle more than a few devices. I have maxed out the rheostat in the ST6 (or minimized it as is the case). So I acquired a navy loop supply, designation PP-3495A (attached) that can supply 120VDC at a full 1A output.

I was wondering if anyone has modified an ST-6 to disable its internal loop supply and allow it to be used with an external supply? This way I can use one loop supply regardless of which TU/CV I am using to drive the loop (of course, the unused TU/CV would have to be in bypass/standby/mark-hold mode).

Thanks


73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos

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From tomhenryhunter at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 06:00:43 2024
From: tomhenryhunter at gmail.com (Tom Hunter)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 06:00:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mite Connectors
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I have recently come into two working Mite teleprinters. A Mite RO
(AN/UGC-40) and a KSR (AN/UGC-41) The book only gives Mite part numbers for
the mating connectors:

POWER CONNECTOR (Five Pin, MITE Corporation  Part No. 5511-188)

SIGNAL MATING CONNECTOR (Ten Pin, MITE Corporation Part No. 5511-190)

Can anyone give me generic numbers that I might have a chance of locating.

Right now I am using female Molex pins, which work but are crude. And
because of the poor design on the Mites it is necessary to pull them out of
the case for common things like changing the ribbon or the paper (Which
must be done in that order!) and which, for me, means pulling off all those
little pins and later replacing them in the proper places. I would much
rather have the correct connectors and be done with it.

Thanks all for any help.


Tom    N3CRK
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 07:56:06 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 07:56:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mite Connectors
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Page 6-7 (pdf page 237) of the manual shows the connectors in the parts list
MS3116F12-10S
MS3116F10-5s

https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/mite-ugc41-man.pdf



Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 6:02 AM Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have recently come into two working Mite teleprinters. A Mite RO
> (AN/UGC-40) and a KSR (AN/UGC-41) The book only gives Mite part numbers for
> the mating connectors:
>
> POWER CONNECTOR (Five Pin, MITE Corporation  Part No. 5511-188)
>
> SIGNAL MATING CONNECTOR (Ten Pin, MITE Corporation Part No. 5511-190)
>
> Can anyone give me generic numbers that I might have a chance of locating.
>
> Right now I am using female Molex pins, which work but are crude. And
> because of the poor design on the Mites it is necessary to pull them out of
> the case for common things like changing the ribbon or the paper (Which
> must be done in that order!) and which, for me, means pulling off all those
> little pins and later replacing them in the proper places. I would much
> rather have the correct connectors and be done with it.
>
> Thanks all for any help.
>
>
> Tom    N3CRK
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 15:00:23 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:00:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Frederick Electronics manuals page
Message-ID: <CAB55hNf6LRwA3xCT9h-wX5SwUFBd6P7TcjoMvHHfDT00wLsZBQ@mail.gmail.com>

I added some documents scanned by Howard VA7ZU
https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/frederick.htm

Any additions and corrections will be greatly appreciated

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 00:05:34 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 00:05:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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From: Jacob W3WDM via groups.io <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io>
Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:08 PM
Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
To: HarrisRadio at groups.io <harrisradio at groups.io>


I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a
teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy
or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be
able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit
to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong
tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver
(URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that
tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell
model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.








Jacob
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Wed Apr 17 02:51:16 2024
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 06:51:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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 It's certainly "within this purvue".? That is a Teletype Corp machine that was in Bell service.? I don't know if they're harder than the Model 15 or 19 to service & get running.? I think I recall someone saying they were a "lighter duty" machine than the 15 & 19.
WayneWB4OGM

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Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
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I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.
The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.?
The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?
I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.  
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From bob at pathline.net  Wed Apr 17 11:45:28 2024
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:45:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am 
replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It 
was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can 
get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, 
but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio 
but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back 
many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also 
fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had 
a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. 
They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many 
of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden 
table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper 
roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original 
condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine 
probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction 
characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical 
stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get 
parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please 
consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire 
this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:







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> I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a 
> teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as 
> fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup 
> I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a 
> reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I 
> barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a 
> decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience 
> with a teletypewriter.
>
> The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that 
> tells you anything.
>
> The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell 
> model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?
>
> I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.
>
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From champtastic13 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 17 12:48:32 2024
From: champtastic13 at hotmail.com (Champ Champtastic)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:48:32 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.

In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.

Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a
complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.

Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.

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Thank you,

Jacob
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To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris


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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
To: HarrisRadio at groups.io<mailto:HarrisRadio at groups.io> <harrisradio at groups.io<mailto:harrisradio at groups.io>>


I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.















Jacob
W3WDM

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In my opinion, that is a very fine-looking TT!  I?d say try to take him down to $175 or $200? you won?t find many more in better shape than that one and like Anthony said, those heavy metals are tanks!  As being such, they are really easy to fix once you do some studying up and know how.

Also, a 9V battery works well too to see if the magnets are fried or not.  Hook a couple of test leads from the battery to the DC-side and see if you hear tiny clicks with the magnets.  If they do, all the better!

?and if you do get it, make sure to oil/grease in all the proper places for a very happy, long-lived machine ;) .  My first TT was last on in the 70's and was assumed to be still working (with some known defects) when I first got it almost ten years ago now.  Once home, it did what I was told ? defects and all, so don?t be all that afraid of the unknowns :) ~


> On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:40?PM, Anthony Watson via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hey Jacob, 
> 
> That?s a really nice looking machine.  Looks like there may be a good chance it shares parts from the M15/M19.  But that?s totally a guess based on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the metal machines are tanks compared to the plastic ones.  Wait till you lift one!
> 
> If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried (open or dead-short, there should be ohms). That should be a reasonable or super conservative test to know what you might be taking on.  But it could bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets, etc?. 
> 
> Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?
> 
> If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t fire it up unless its been on recently - In that case. 
> 
> Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.
> 
> As for finding parts - I just restored a m15,  a M28 TD, and M28 Typing reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical.  eBay, green keys, and see below?
> 
> $400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that looks.  If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be running with metal - worth it!
> 
> You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante, CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair them yourself.
> 
> A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you might potentially need.
> 
> RTTY Electronics 
> (510) 243-6651
> mr_rtty at pacbell.net
> 
> 
> Anthony
> WB7PZZ

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Hello Paul,

You're spot on. The response to my original inquiry regarding whether it works was met with "Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work." So to your point it doesn't work.... well at least not without work. Then again there is also the case of "it is in such nice condition because it lived a short life." Unfortunately I've been bit that way before. As others have pointed out parts availability for the Model 26 are scarce so if that's the case it's a giant paper weight.

As far as how long I've been looking....about a year although it has become apparent that I've probably been looking in the wrong locations (Craigslist, Market Place, Offerup local ham sales web pages and eBay). Several avenues I was unaware of were pointed out to me today so take the "year" with a grain of salt. It's probably time to start the clock over.

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Date: 4/17/24 1:37 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

I don?t think $400 for a machine in very good condition is all that unreasonable. Certainly cosmetically, that machine looks in good condition. But for $400, I would want an operational machine. If the seller doesn?t know and gives the old ?well it used to work? or ?well I think it works?,  you should just assume it doesn?t work. And in that case, in my opinion, the seller does not have the right to ask $400.

I often have given away, working machines for free. But as you said, Jacob, it?s hard to find them and they don?t come up all that often. It also depends on where in the country you live. I?m in the dead zone of Colorado. Here I can?t give away machines, nor can I find machines.

You are in the northwest. That is one of the areas where there have been a lot of machines being given away for free and many cases. How long have you been looking?

Paul
W2TTY

On Apr 17, 2024, at 2:05?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.

In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.

Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a
complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.

Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.

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Jacob
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-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris


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Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
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I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.















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From: champtastic13 at hotmail.com (Champ Champtastic)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:07:44 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!

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I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away) to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for where we're at.

As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and toes crossed.

His email read:

"Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.  As you can see, it comes with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete instruction, care and maintenance manual.  Also comes with spare paper roll.  Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  It comes with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra rolls of paper."

If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even know if it works. Just my feeling.

There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!

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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
Date: 4/17/24 2:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

Hey Jacob,

That?s a really nice looking machine.  Looks like there may be a good chance it shares parts from the M15/M19.  But that?s totally a guess based on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the metal machines are tanks compared to the plastic ones.  Wait till you lift one!

If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried (open or dead-short, there should be ohms). That should be a reasonable or super conservative test to know what you might be taking on.  But it could bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets, etc?.

Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?

If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t fire it up unless its been on recently - In that case.

Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.

As for finding parts - I just restored a m15,  a M28 TD, and M28 Typing reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical.  eBay, green keys, and see below?

$400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that looks.  If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be running with metal - worth it!

You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante, CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair them yourself.

A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you might potentially need.

RTTY Electronics
(510) 243-6651
mr_rtty at pacbell.net


Anthony
WB7PZZ


On Apr 17, 2024, at 1:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.

In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.

Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a
complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.

Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.

<-1164132458_1713372081296_1072416.jpeg>

<1138284707_1713372099081_1127788.jpeg>

<576127292_1713372122661_748964.jpeg>

<79489843_1713372135705_1299758.jpeg>

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Thank you,

Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Robert G Snyder <bob at pathline.net<mailto:bob at pathline.net>>
Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
To: <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io<mailto:hotmail.com at groups.io>>, <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>


Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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On 4/16/24 21:05, Nick England wrote:

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Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:08 PM
Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
To: HarrisRadio at groups.io<mailto:HarrisRadio at groups.io> <harrisradio at groups.io<mailto:harrisradio at groups.io>>


I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.















Jacob
W3WDM

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From champtastic13 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 17 19:15:57 2024
From: champtastic13 at hotmail.com (Champ Champtastic)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:15:57 +0000
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I appreciate the information.  I'll definitely check out those pages. I've only been at it a couple years myself but never with a teletype machine so that will be a new experience.

I'm in the same boat with the scarcity of Elmer's. There are a ton of guys that will teach you anything you want to know about DXpeditions, contesting...you name it. Operating we'll say. When it comes to actually working on equipment though the knowledge level definitely gets pretty shallow fast. I was fortunate enough to meet an Elmer online several years ago....he was actually the one that convinced me to get my ticket....and that's where I've gained  most of my knowledge from.  We've never met (he's in Texas) and all of our correspondence is email or messenger. We've spoken on the phone only twice and he accidentally FaceTimed me once and was super uncomfortable (introvert lol). It has been a good relationship and learning experience though.

The next closest would be the Harris forum. I've learned quite a bit from that forum so I'm hoping to continue that growth here.

I'm on the fence at this point as to what to do regarding the Model 26. I'm impulsive which generally leads to poor decisions lol. I've received everything from "the price is reasonable" to "absolutely unfathomable." The argument for both ends of the spectrum can easily be made...and make sense.

Decisions decisions.

Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
Date: 4/17/24 3:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

He doesn?t sell directly there, but I think he has some friends who do sell consignments for him.

I sure did download a check this and check that stuff to you, don?t worry about it too much, most of that is based on what I have been through here, running mine for less than a year.  And mine came to me nearly a wreck!

I learned a TON of the stuff I said and even more radio stuff this last year doing this project. Just the learning alone was worth the effort to me.

I haven?t seen a 26 being repaired but there are plenty of m15/19 on YouTube. Some simple, some super complex with all the electrical stuff.  I just watched some of the electronics to note in case I thought I wanted to come back to it.

If I picked one creator with information I have used the most - it?s Curious Marc. Keeping in mind he did the fullest degree restore and polishing all the inside bits on a model like mine? he built custom projects thats not entirely necessary but helped teach how these things work.  He also had the crazy power supply in his model 19 I?m glad I don?t have to deal with.

I CAN relate to exploding capacitor bother but not related to this machinery haha

There are more videos, even some from members here on greenkeys, and I worked the ?quirks? out of my machines with YouTube, emails to people who know things, and certainly from Mr RTTY

My radio club here doesn?t really have a strong Elmer culture and certainly not on this stuff - I say it?s totally worth it and do-able with patience and a forum like this.

Anthony
WB7PZZ
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2024, at 3:07?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!

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I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away) to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for where we're at.

As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and toes crossed.

His email read:

"Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.  As you can see, it comes with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete instruction, care and maintenance manual.  Also comes with spare paper roll.  Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  It comes with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra rolls of paper."

If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even know if it works. Just my feeling.

There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!

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Jacob
W3WDM

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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
Date: 4/17/24 2:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

Hey Jacob,

That?s a really nice looking machine.  Looks like there may be a good chance it shares parts from the M15/M19.  But that?s totally a guess based on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the metal machines are tanks compared to the plastic ones.  Wait till you lift one!

If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried (open or dead-short, there should be ohms). That should be a reasonable or super conservative test to know what you might be taking on.  But it could bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets, etc?.

Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?

If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t fire it up unless its been on recently - In that case.

Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.

As for finding parts - I just restored a m15,  a M28 TD, and M28 Typing reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical.  eBay, green keys, and see below?

$400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that looks.  If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be running with metal - worth it!

You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante, CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair them yourself.

A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you might potentially need.

RTTY Electronics
(510) 243-6651
mr_rtty at pacbell.net


Anthony
WB7PZZ


On Apr 17, 2024, at 1:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

?
Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.

In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.

Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a
complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.

Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.

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Thank you,

Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Robert G Snyder <bob at pathline.net<mailto:bob at pathline.net>>
Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
To: <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io<mailto:hotmail.com at groups.io>>, <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>


Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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On 4/16/24 21:05, Nick England wrote:

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Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:08 PM
Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
To: HarrisRadio at groups.io<mailto:HarrisRadio at groups.io> <harrisradio at groups.io<mailto:harrisradio at groups.io>>


I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.















Jacob
W3WDM

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:30:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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Those Curious Marc videos were nice ? have seen them? but I couldn?t help to ball up my knuckles as I watched the somewhat crackpot ?let?s just figure it out? approach he took ? along with the Simple Green he soaked everything in (if I remember right).

I tried gifting a free TT to the local radio club that I?m apart of, but they refused believing that RTTY is dead (plus they claimed they had no room)? I?ve been ribbing them ever since ;p .

Agreed ? I?ve learned more fixing up TTs than I ever would have personally in a classroom, etc.


> On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:43?PM, Anthony Watson via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, the pricing has to be up to you. 
> 
> I may have (mistakenly or not) paid well more than that because mine came shipped in the original signal corps cases it went to feild with. Clearly mine was built for and I tell myself perhaps saw Korea. I paid it because of the whole thing being present and correct - it?s what I wanted.  
> 
> Not knowing I had a cracked iron casting was my penance for being impulsive.  40 buck part and another 20 in the swear jar, good as new.  
> 
> Taking into account the ?apparent? condition of that rig, it?s more unique, and possibly the webs have valued that at twice the price.  You may be getting a genuinely decent deal. Or note the difference between ebayer and evil-bayer?.
> 
> I think you should see it to justify the $400.  Just like you said take the cover off and make sure the guts aren?t rotted and rusty - and if it?s sussy, you aren?t committed. 
> 
> Nothing as satisfying as getting a 1951 5-bit machine to work on the air and also with your MacBook Pro. HAHAHAHA
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:40:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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Same machine? possibly different table.


> On Apr 17, 2024, at 5:07?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!
> 
> <1894618271_1713390753017_1466385.jpeg> 
> I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away) to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for where we're at. 
> 
> As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and toes crossed.
> 
> His email read: 
> 
> "Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.  As you can see, it comes with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete instruction, care and maintenance manual.  Also comes with spare paper roll.  Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  It comes with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra rolls of paper."
> 
> If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even know if it works. Just my feeling. 
> 
> There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!
> 
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> Jacob 
> W3WDM 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:24:49 -0400
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Hi Jacob,

My own impulse led to a Model 26 a few months ago here in Canada. Looking
back I likely overpaid for it haha?but I?m all in for getting to learn how
it works. Being relatively early in my restoration (I?m a complete newbie
at teletypes and most old machines, too), we could share journals if you
decide to pursue with your potential model. (A difference between you and
me is that I still have yet to pursue my radio license if I decide to pick
up RTTY, which, based on the inspiring messages from this chat, is becoming
more of a likelihood.)

I can only say, relative to my experience, that $400 is not bad as a
starting point. Obviously, any way of knocking dollars off (as per the
others? input here) is always good. For reference, I got mine at $300 CAD
and it did not come with the table, but for how it was chattering normally
when powered on and for how surprisingly clean it mostly was inside, I
decided to chance it. Currently it is working (if some encouragement is
given), pending additional cleaning as I begin to attempt taking it apart.
My best friend in my efforts is the plethora of documentation compiled and
offered by members on this forum, even if small compared to that of the
more rugged and often-documented models.

If that listing were closer to me I?d impulsively consider it mainly for
the table?and maybe a parts machine haha.

Regards,

Jomar


On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 20:37 Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I appreciate the information.  I'll definitely check out those pages. I've
> only been at it a couple years myself but never with a teletype machine so
> that will be a new experience.
>
> I'm in the same boat with the scarcity of Elmer's. There are a ton of guys
> that will teach you anything you want to know about DXpeditions,
> contesting...you name it. Operating we'll say. When it comes to actually
> working on equipment though the knowledge level definitely gets pretty
> shallow fast. I was fortunate enough to meet an Elmer online several years
> ago....he was actually the one that convinced me to get my ticket....and
> that's where I've gained  most of my knowledge from.  We've never met (he's
> in Texas) and all of our correspondence is email or messenger. We've spoken
> on the phone only twice and he accidentally FaceTimed me once and was super
> uncomfortable (introvert lol). It has been a good relationship and learning
> experience though.
>
> The next closest would be the Harris forum. I've learned quite a bit from
> that forum so I'm hoping to continue that growth here.
>
> I'm on the fence at this point as to what to do regarding the Model 26.
> I'm impulsive which generally leads to poor decisions lol. I've received
> everything from "the price is reasonable" to "absolutely unfathomable." The
> argument for both ends of the spectrum can easily be made...and make sense.
>
> Decisions decisions.
>
> Jacob
> W3WDM
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
> Date: 4/17/24 3:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net,
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
>
> He doesn?t sell directly there, but I think he has some friends who do
> sell consignments for him.
>
> I sure did download a check this and check that stuff to you, don?t worry
> about it too much, most of that is based on what I have been through here,
> running mine for less than a year.  And mine came to me nearly a wreck!
>
> I learned a TON of the stuff I said and even more radio stuff this last
> year doing this project. Just the learning alone was worth the effort to me.
>
> I haven?t seen a 26 being repaired but there are plenty of m15/19 on
> YouTube. Some simple, some super complex with all the electrical stuff.  I
> just watched some of the electronics to note in case I thought I wanted to
> come back to it.
>
> If I picked one creator with information I have used the most - it?s
> Curious Marc. Keeping in mind he did the fullest degree restore and
> polishing all the inside bits on a model like mine? he built custom
> projects thats not entirely necessary but helped teach how these things
> work.  He also had the crazy power supply in his model 19 I?m glad I don?t
> have to deal with.
>
> I CAN relate to exploding capacitor bother but not related to this
> machinery haha
>
> There are more videos, even some from members here on greenkeys, and I
> worked the ?quirks? out of my machines with YouTube, emails to people who
> know things, and certainly from Mr RTTY
>
> My radio club here doesn?t really have a strong Elmer culture and
> certainly not on this stuff - I say it?s totally worth it and do-able with
> patience and a forum like this.
>
> Anthony
> WB7PZZ
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 3:07?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There
> happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!
>
> <1894618271_1713390753017_1466385.jpeg>
>
> I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away)
> to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for
> where we're at.
>
> As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign
> that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks
> terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and
> toes crossed.
>
> His email read:
>
> "Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.  As you can see, it comes
> with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete
> instruction, care and maintenance manual.  Also comes with spare paper
> roll.  Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years
> of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  It comes
> with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra
> rolls of paper."
>
> If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to
> fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his
> museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even
> know if it works. Just my feeling.
>
> There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!
>
> <972733918_1713391428748_239902.jpeg>
>
>
> Jacob
> W3WDM
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
> Date: 4/17/24 2:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net,
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
>
> Hey Jacob,
>
> That?s a really nice looking machine.  Looks like there may be a good
> chance it shares parts from the M15/M19.  But that?s totally a guess based
> on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the
> metal machines are tanks compared to the plastic ones.  Wait till you lift
> one!
>
> If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look
> inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it
> cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried
> (open or dead-short, there should be ohms). That should be a reasonable or
> super conservative test to know what you might be taking on.  But it could
> bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets,
> etc?.
>
> Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was
> the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?
>
> If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that
> desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and
> possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t
> fire it up unless its been on recently - In that case.
>
> Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a
> minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.
>
> As for finding parts - I just restored a m15,  a M28 TD, and M28 Typing
> reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list
> things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical.  eBay, green keys,
> and see below?
>
> $400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those
> of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that
> looks.  If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be
> running with metal - worth it!
>
> You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante,
> CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He
> has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair
> them yourself.
>
> A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you
> might potentially need.
>
> RTTY Electronics
> (510) 243-6651
> mr_rtty at pacbell.net
>
>
> Anthony
> WB7PZZ
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 1:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hello Bob,
>
> Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was
> reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident
> now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so
> this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage"
> RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader.
> That should get a laugh.
>
> In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the
> March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a
> fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience
> with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a
> teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my
> Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm
> getting a bit ahead of myself here though.
>
> Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received
> was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated
> dust, I can't see any reason why it
> wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of
> paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which
> according to the seller is a
> complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a
> small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items
> he is letting go.
>
> Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the
> Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to
> get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for
> about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not
> have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I
> received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of
> available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack
> of useful keys.
>
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>
> Thank you,
>
> Jacob
> W3WDM
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Robert G Snyder <bob at pathline.net>
> Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
> To: <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io>, <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>
>
> Hello Jacob,
>
> Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am
> replying there and to your email address (I hope).
>
> I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was
> my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on
> this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just
> had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks
> like it could be fine for RTTY work.
>
> First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back
> many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also
> fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a
> box full of spare parts for it.
>
> The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc.
> They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of
> them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table
> that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was
> located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also,
> based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a
> non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters
> instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.
>
> If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical
> stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get
> parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please
> consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this
> machine.
>
> Bob W6CP
>
> Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:
>
>
> <HamPhotos0019.png>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/16/24 21:05, Nick England wrote:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Jacob W3WDM via groups.io <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io>
> Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:08 PM
> Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
> To: HarrisRadio at groups.io <harrisradio at groups.io>
>
>
> I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a
> teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy
> or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be
> able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit
> to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong
> tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver
> (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.
>
> The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that
> tells you anything.
>
> The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell
> model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?
>
> I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jacob
> W3WDM
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If you want a voice encouaging you to get it I'm your man.? Do it.? Im also impulsive and now have a 15 r/o and 28 asr.? Unfortunately I'm too broke for ham radio.? On a positive note making a laptop talk to them for ITTY is not hard and still awsome.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> Date: 4/17/24  8:47 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com> Cc: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>, GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris I would love to see Curious Marc tackle a model 26. He needs one!PaulW2TTYITTY:			HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTYITTY 100:?	HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTARTEUROPE:		HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPEOn Apr 17, 2024, at 4:54?PM, Anthony Watson via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:?He doesn?t sell directly there, but I think he has some friends who do sell consignments for him.?I sure did download a check this and check that stuff to you, don?t worry about it too much, most of that is based on what I have been through here, running mine for less than a year. ?And mine came to me nearly a wreck!I learned a TON of the stuff I said and even more radio stuff this last year doing this project. Just the learning alone was worth the effort to me.I haven?t seen a 26 being repaired but there are plenty of m15/19 on YouTube. Some simple, some super complex with all the electrical stuff. ?I just watched some of the electronics to note in case I thought I wanted to come back to it.?If I picked one creator with information I have used the most - it?s Curious Marc. Keeping in mind he did the fullest degree restore and polishing all the inside bits on a model like mine? he built custom projects thats not entirely necessary but helped teach how these things work. ?He also had the crazy power supply in his model 19 I?m glad I don?t have to deal with. ? ?I CAN relate to exploding capacitor bother but not related to this machinery hahaThere are more videos, even some from members here on greenkeys, and I worked the ?quirks? out of my machines with YouTube, emails to people who know things, and certainly from Mr RTTY?My radio club here doesn?t really have a strong Elmer culture and certainly not on this stuff - I say it?s totally worth it and do-able with patience and a forum like this. ?AnthonyWB7PZZSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 17, 2024, at 3:07?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:?




This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!


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I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away) to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for where we're at.?


As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and toes crossed.


His email read:?


"Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.? As you can see, it comes with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete instruction, care and maintenance manual.? Also comes with spare paper roll.? Does it work??
 I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.? It comes with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra rolls of paper."


If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even know if it works. Just my
 feeling.?


There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!


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Jacob?
W3WDM?



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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com> 
Date: 4/17/24 2:41 PM (GMT-08:00) 
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> 
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net

Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris 


Hey Jacob,?


That?s a really nice looking machine. ?Looks like there may be a good chance it shares parts from the M15/M19. ?But that?s totally a guess based on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the metal machines are tanks compared
 to the plastic ones. ?Wait till you lift one!


If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried (open or dead-short, there should
 be ohms). That should be a reasonable or super conservative test to know what you might be taking on. ?But it could bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets, etc?.?


Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?


If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t fire it up unless its been on
 recently - In that case.?


Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.


As for finding parts - I just restored a m15, ?a M28 TD, and M28 Typing reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical. ?eBay, green keys, and see below?


$400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that looks. ?If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be running with metal - worth it!


You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante, CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair them yourself.


A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you might potentially need.


RTTY Electronics?
(510) 243-6651
mr_rtty at pacbell.net





Anthony
WB7PZZ



On Apr 17, 2024, at 1:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:




?
Hello Bob, 

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is
 all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.


In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have
 a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.


Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside?from many years of accumulated dust, I
 can't see any reason why it 
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the
Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a

complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.


Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a
 year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be
 a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.



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Thank you,


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-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> 
Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00) 
To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com 
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris 





---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Robert G Snyder 
<bob at pathline.net>
Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
To: <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io>, <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>




Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything
 about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts
 and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of
 the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else
 (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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On 4/16/24 21:05, Nick England wrote:






---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Jacob W3WDM via 
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Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:08 PM
Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
To: HarrisRadio at groups.io <harrisradio at groups.io>




I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something
 more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.


The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.?


The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?


I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.






























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W3WDM?



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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Wed Apr 17 22:09:31 2024
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:09:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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My bad ? I don?t think it wasn?t Curious Marc who did what I thought (just looked it up on YouTube)? I think it was someone else who basically broke a 19 before re-fixing it again? can?t find those videos right now ? but that one guy did use Simple Green ;p .

By the way, a 26 was used on the TV studio set of M*A*S*H.  They couldn?t find a period 15, so they settled with a 26 instead.


> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:21?PM, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I would love to see Curious Marc tackle a model 26. He needs one!
> 
> Paul
> W2TTY
> 
> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
> ITTY 100:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

From watsonac at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 22:43:16 2024
From: watsonac at aol.com (Anthony Watson)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:43:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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You were right! Marc soaked his in simple green but it?s just a snippet l, he didn?t linger on that step. Overnight too, which made me too nervous for the cast iron bits.  But he polished everything after too so... 

He did say it was something to consider, leaving the selector magnets in or not. It?s the only thing electrical in the printer frame and likely to dry fine. DID NOT soak anything but the printer frame.. 

I went conservative with a few hours soak and not tearing it down. My printer section was so caked, I took the magnets out?. It was all wax-grease and seized (with old grease) metal?.  I soaked mine to get it out of its sarcophagus. 

Followed shortly with a rinse, a blast of air compressor, iso alcohol to displace hidden water, and a hairdryer until I was sure it was dry dry dry. Then let it sit in the AZ sun that afternoon to be absolutely certain. 

I just rubbed everything over with a shop cloth imbued with CLP break free instead of polishing, lubricated as instructed in the manual before putting it together. 

The base and keyboard cleaned right up, no water, with the CLP.   

Point being, I scaled the cleanup to the job.  If you can go with a brush and alcohol, CLP, WD40 - lucky duck, do that!

Read degreaser bottles, some attack copper and alloys like brass. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:10?PM, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My bad ? I don?t think it wasn?t Curious Marc who did what I thought (just looked it up on YouTube)? I think it was someone else who basically broke a 19 before re-fixing it again? can?t find those videos right now ? but that one guy did use Simple Green ;p .
> 
> By the way, a 26 was used on the TV studio set of M*A*S*H.  They couldn?t find a period 15, so they settled with a 26 instead.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:21?PM, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I would love to see Curious Marc tackle a model 26. He needs one!
>> 
>> Paul
>> W2TTY
>> 
>> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
>> ITTY 100:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
>> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
>> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Wed Apr 17 23:07:22 2024
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:07:22 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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On the battleship, a room we use as an office was a former TTY repair shop and has an ultrasonic cleaner the size of a washing machine for dipping entire mechanisms into.

I think the high nickel content of these machines helps prevent rust (maybe not entirely but).

Sadly we havent used the cleaner at all, our TTY guy (who does the mechanical stuff) manually tears them down.

Jeff

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 10:43?PM, Anthony Watson via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You were right! Marc soaked his in simple green but it?s just a snippet l, he didn?t linger on that step. Overnight too, which made me too nervous for the cast iron bits.  But he polished everything after too so...
> 
> He did say it was something to consider, leaving the selector magnets in or not. It?s the only thing electrical in the printer frame and likely to dry fine. DID NOT soak anything but the printer frame..
> 
> I went conservative with a few hours soak and not tearing it down. My printer section was so caked, I took the magnets out?. It was all wax-grease and seized (with old grease) metal?.  I soaked mine to get it out of its sarcophagus.
> 
> Followed shortly with a rinse, a blast of air compressor, iso alcohol to displace hidden water, and a hairdryer until I was sure it was dry dry dry. Then let it sit in the AZ sun that afternoon to be absolutely certain.
> 
> I just rubbed everything over with a shop cloth imbued with CLP break free instead of polishing, lubricated as instructed in the manual before putting it together.
> 
> The base and keyboard cleaned right up, no water, with the CLP.   
> 
> Point being, I scaled the cleanup to the job.  If you can go with a brush and alcohol, CLP, WD40 - lucky duck, do that!
> 
> Read degreaser bottles, some attack copper and alloys like brass.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:10?PM, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> My bad ? I don?t think it wasn?t Curious Marc who did what I thought (just looked it up on YouTube)? I think it was someone else who basically broke a 19 before re-fixing it again? can?t find those videos right now ? but that one guy did use Simple Green ;p .
>> 
>> By the way, a 26 was used on the TV studio set of M*A*S*H.  They couldn?t find a period 15, so they settled with a 26 instead.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:21?PM, Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would love to see Curious Marc tackle a model 26. He needs one!
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> W2TTY
>>> 
>>> ITTY: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY
>>> ITTY 100:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100
>>> AUTOSTART: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART
>>> EUROPE: HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE
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From watsonac at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 23:07:43 2024
From: watsonac at aol.com (Anthony Watson)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:07:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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100% this. I?m encouraging too as a confessed moderate over spender on ham gear. It?s also a fun hardware terminal for some other vintage electronics I mess around with. 

This feed is on mine 24/7 through a raspberry pi. I switch to my radio?s terminal unit for things that still happen there through the week on RTTY, AMTOR, and CW.  Mine is equipped so it shuts down the motor in between?.  but everyone I work with think it?s really stinking cool when they get to catch this day in history or a TTY picture when it fires itself up and clacks away in my office. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:03?PM, abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> On a positive note making a laptop talk to them for ITTY is not hard and still awsome.


From hanyou at xsmail.com  Wed Apr 17 23:18:47 2024
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:18:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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I?ve really got to get mine back up and running.  I?ve been embroiled in a huge basement cleaning for the last year and a half, so sadly some things have to go by the wayside sometimes -_- ?..

I know this has been hashed out many times before, but I?ve found that a very light full synthetic motor oil will break apart so much junk if you douse TT gear with it.  I assume it?s the detergent within the full synthetic that does the job.


> On Apr 17, 2024, at 10:07?PM, Anthony Watson via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 100% this. I?m encouraging too as a confessed moderate over spender on ham gear. It?s also a fun hardware terminal for some other vintage electronics I mess around with. 
> 
> This feed is on mine 24/7 through a raspberry pi. I switch to my radio?s terminal unit for things that still happen there through the week on RTTY, AMTOR, and CW.  Mine is equipped so it shuts down the motor in between?.  but everyone I work with think it?s really stinking cool when they get to catch this day in history or a TTY picture when it fires itself up and clacks away in my office. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 23:19:40 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:19:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Same with mine.? I have a hal st-5000 I soldered an audio jack in and barrel jack out onto.? It does the motor on off for me to begin with.? ?I've been trying to submit random things to the auto start once a day, be way easier if I could use the mailer on my phone.? I have a tube kit decoder I won on an auction coming, fingers crossed it's repairable.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com> Date: 4/17/24  10:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> Cc: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris 100% this. I?m encouraging too as a confessed moderate over spender on ham gear. It?s also a fun hardware terminal for some other vintage electronics I mess around with. This feed is on mine 24/7 through a raspberry pi. I switch to my radio?s terminal unit for things that still happen there through the week on RTTY, AMTOR, and CW.? Mine is equipped so it shuts down the motor in between?.? but everyone I work with think it?s really stinking cool when they get to catch this day in history or a TTY picture when it fires itself up and clacks away in my office. Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:03?PM, abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> wrote:> > On a positive note making a laptop talk to them for ITTY is not hard and still awsome.
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From watsonac at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 23:49:28 2024
From: watsonac at aol.com (Anthony Watson)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:49:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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?Ah a terminal with a strong loop supply.  Wonder what that is like hahaha. Those are harder to find in my neck of the woods. 

I?ve got a Kam Plus TU via serial to the deramp 60ma interface - plus some electrical wizardry (C.L. repeaters listening through resistors on the bleeding edge of blocking the signal) to stretch every bit of juice to pull it all together. No motor stop if I have the reperf in circuit because it just one device too many needing the juice. 

For feeds, R-pi or phone to the afsk jack on the deramp.com interface. It all works, modern parts made it - but tight margin on my selector range!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 8:19?PM, abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ?
> Same with mine.  I have a hal st-5000 I soldered an audio jack in and barrel jack out onto.  It does the motor on off for me to begin with.   I've been trying to submit random things to the auto start once a day, be way easier if I could use the mailer on my phone.  I have a tube kit decoder I won on an auction coming, fingers crossed it's repairable.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
> Date: 4/17/24 10:08 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
> 
> 100% this. I?m encouraging too as a confessed moderate over spender on ham gear. It?s also a fun hardware terminal for some other vintage electronics I mess around with.
> 
> This feed is on mine 24/7 through a raspberry pi. I switch to my radio?s terminal unit for things that still happen there through the week on RTTY, AMTOR, and CW.  Mine is equipped so it shuts down the motor in between?.  but everyone I work with think it?s really stinking cool when they get to catch this day in history or a TTY picture when it fires itself up and clacks away in my office.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:03?PM, abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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From champtastic13 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 17 21:40:19 2024
From: champtastic13 at hotmail.com (Champ Champtastic)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 01:40:19 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Jomar,

I appreciate that. I'll need all of the help that I can get if I do acquire it. I would definitely pursue your ticket. I've only had mine for a couple of years. I was on the fence about it for a long time before I bit the bullet and finally went and did it. Prior to that I was acquiring radios and learning to work on them without actually being able to use my rebuild. You'll have no regrets. Besides, what's the fun in restoring that 26 if you can't put the rubber to the road lol?

Jacob
W3WDM

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-------- Original message --------
From: Jomar Quilatan <jomarquilatan at gmail.com>
Date: 4/17/24 6:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

Hi Jacob,

My own impulse led to a Model 26 a few months ago here in Canada. Looking back I likely overpaid for it haha?but I?m all in for getting to learn how it works. Being relatively early in my restoration (I?m a complete newbie at teletypes and most old machines, too), we could share journals if you decide to pursue with your potential model. (A difference between you and me is that I still have yet to pursue my radio license if I decide to pick up RTTY, which, based on the inspiring messages from this chat, is becoming more of a likelihood.)

I can only say, relative to my experience, that $400 is not bad as a starting point. Obviously, any way of knocking dollars off (as per the others? input here) is always good. For reference, I got mine at $300 CAD and it did not come with the table, but for how it was chattering normally when powered on and for how surprisingly clean it mostly was inside, I decided to chance it. Currently it is working (if some encouragement is given), pending additional cleaning as I begin to attempt taking it apart. My best friend in my efforts is the plethora of documentation compiled and offered by members on this forum, even if small compared to that of the more rugged and often-documented models.

If that listing were closer to me I?d impulsively consider it mainly for the table?and maybe a parts machine haha.

Regards,

Jomar


On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 20:37 Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com<mailto:champtastic13 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
I appreciate the information.  I'll definitely check out those pages. I've only been at it a couple years myself but never with a teletype machine so that will be a new experience.

I'm in the same boat with the scarcity of Elmer's. There are a ton of guys that will teach you anything you want to know about DXpeditions, contesting...you name it. Operating we'll say. When it comes to actually working on equipment though the knowledge level definitely gets pretty shallow fast. I was fortunate enough to meet an Elmer online several years ago....he was actually the one that convinced me to get my ticket....and that's where I've gained  most of my knowledge from.  We've never met (he's in Texas) and all of our correspondence is email or messenger. We've spoken on the phone only twice and he accidentally FaceTimed me once and was super uncomfortable (introvert lol). It has been a good relationship and learning experience though.

The next closest would be the Harris forum. I've learned quite a bit from that forum so I'm hoping to continue that growth here.

I'm on the fence at this point as to what to do regarding the Model 26. I'm impulsive which generally leads to poor decisions lol. I've received everything from "the price is reasonable" to "absolutely unfathomable." The argument for both ends of the spectrum can easily be made...and make sense.

Decisions decisions.

Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com<mailto:watsonac at aol.com>>
Date: 4/17/24 3:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com<mailto:champtastic13 at hotmail.com>>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com<mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>, bob at pathline.net<mailto:bob at pathline.net>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

He doesn?t sell directly there, but I think he has some friends who do sell consignments for him.

I sure did download a check this and check that stuff to you, don?t worry about it too much, most of that is based on what I have been through here, running mine for less than a year.  And mine came to me nearly a wreck!

I learned a TON of the stuff I said and even more radio stuff this last year doing this project. Just the learning alone was worth the effort to me.

I haven?t seen a 26 being repaired but there are plenty of m15/19 on YouTube. Some simple, some super complex with all the electrical stuff.  I just watched some of the electronics to note in case I thought I wanted to come back to it.

If I picked one creator with information I have used the most - it?s Curious Marc. Keeping in mind he did the fullest degree restore and polishing all the inside bits on a model like mine? he built custom projects thats not entirely necessary but helped teach how these things work.  He also had the crazy power supply in his model 19 I?m glad I don?t have to deal with.

I CAN relate to exploding capacitor bother but not related to this machinery haha

There are more videos, even some from members here on greenkeys, and I worked the ?quirks? out of my machines with YouTube, emails to people who know things, and certainly from Mr RTTY

My radio club here doesn?t really have a strong Elmer culture and certainly not on this stuff - I say it?s totally worth it and do-able with patience and a forum like this.

Anthony
WB7PZZ
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On Apr 17, 2024, at 3:07?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com<mailto:champtastic13 at hotmail.com>> wrote:

?
This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!

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I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away) to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for where we're at.

As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and toes crossed.

His email read:

"Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.  As you can see, it comes with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete instruction, care and maintenance manual.  Also comes with spare paper roll.  Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  It comes with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra rolls of paper."

If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even know if it works. Just my feeling.

There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!

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Jacob
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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com<mailto:watsonac at aol.com>>
Date: 4/17/24 2:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com<mailto:champtastic13 at hotmail.com>>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com<mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>, bob at pathline.net<mailto:bob at pathline.net>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

Hey Jacob,

That?s a really nice looking machine.  Looks like there may be a good chance it shares parts from the M15/M19.  But that?s totally a guess based on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the metal machines are tanks compared to the plastic ones.  Wait till you lift one!

If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried (open or dead-short, there should be ohms). That should be a reasonable or super conservative test to know what you might be taking on.  But it could bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets, etc?.

Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?

If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t fire it up unless its been on recently - In that case.

Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.

As for finding parts - I just restored a m15,  a M28 TD, and M28 Typing reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical.  eBay, green keys, and see below?

$400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that looks.  If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be running with metal - worth it!

You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante, CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair them yourself.

A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you might potentially need.

RTTY Electronics
(510) 243-6651
mr_rtty at pacbell.net<mailto:mr_rtty at pacbell.net>


Anthony
WB7PZZ


On Apr 17, 2024, at 1:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com<mailto:champtastic13 at hotmail.com>> wrote:

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Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.

In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.

Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a
complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.

Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.

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Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com<mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>>
Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com<mailto:champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Robert G Snyder <bob at pathline.net<mailto:bob at pathline.net>>
Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
To: <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io<mailto:hotmail.com at groups.io>>, <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>


Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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On 4/16/24 21:05, Nick England wrote:

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Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
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I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.















Jacob
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 18 00:27:08 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:27:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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I just looked up the listing.? The one I'm waiting for is a Mainline tt/L-2.? ? It was like a moth to a lamp.? I got it for almost nothing and the shipping is killllll?ing me.? Hopefully it survives the trip to my place in the mail with the crt intact.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com> Date: 4/17/24  10:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris ?Ah a terminal with a strong loop supply. ?Wonder what that is like hahaha. Those are harder to find in my neck of the woods.?I?ve got a Kam Plus TU via serial to the deramp 60ma interface - plus some electrical wizardry (C.L. repeaters listening through resistors on the bleeding edge of blocking the signal) to stretch every bit of juice to pull it all together. No motor stop if I have the reperf in circuit because it just one device too many needing the juice.?For feeds, R-pi or phone to the afsk jack on the deramp.com interface. It all works, modern parts made it - but tight margin on my selector range!Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 17, 2024, at 8:19?PM, abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> wrote:?Same with mine.? I have a hal st-5000 I soldered an audio jack in and barrel jack out onto.? It does the motor on off for me to begin with.? ?I've been trying to submit random things to the auto start once a day, be way easier if I could use the mailer on my phone.? I have a tube kit decoder I won on an auction coming, fingers crossed it's repairable.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com> Date: 4/17/24  10:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> Cc: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris 100% this. I?m encouraging too as a confessed moderate over spender on ham gear. It?s also a fun hardware terminal for some other vintage electronics I mess around with. This feed is on mine 24/7 through a raspberry pi. I switch to my radio?s terminal unit for things that still happen there through the week on RTTY, AMTOR, and CW.? Mine is equipped so it shuts down the motor in between?.? but everyone I work with think it?s really stinking cool when they get to catch this day in history or a TTY picture when it fires itself up and clacks away in my office. Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:03?PM, abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com> wrote:> > On a positive note making a laptop talk to them for ITTY is not hard and still awsome.
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From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 06:05:06 2024
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:05:06 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] 14 Reperforator Wanted
Message-ID: <ebb96985-b9b7-4794-978d-9ac4c5133e5f@gmail.com>

Hi Gang!
I've been looking quite a while locally to find a 14 printing 
reperforator. I would prefer an intact unit with standard key set or a 
restorable one having all the parts. This is to complement my Model 19 
AN/FGC-11 setup. Best if within reasonable distance to S.E. CT for 
pickup, but will pay for shipping.
Anyone have an extra that could use a cleanup, a good home and some 
exercise?

73, John W1AN


From billdeg at aol.com  Thu Apr 18 13:58:01 2024
From: billdeg at aol.com (B Degnan)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:58:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Last Chance ASR 33 Teletype Parts Avail
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There are Teletype parts remaining hereSurplus Sale March 19- April 19 2024 ? Kennett Classic. Computer Museum and Giftshop in Kennett Square, PA. 484 732 7041 Vintage Computer Museum

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Apr 18 18:32:34 2024
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 15:32:34 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Measuring demodulator performance.
Message-ID: <46a3f218acb21d210e961f5e639a39d1.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

I just finished running some tests on a couple demodulators using AM and
FM modes at both 170 Hz and 850 Hz shift. The test consists of
transmitting RY 1050 times on 20 meters at 4 watts from Tucson AZ and
receiving the signal on the KFS SDR. The signal is recorded, then run
through the demodulators and counting the number of R and Y characters.
It's possible that an erroneously decoded character could end up being an
R or Y, but that seems fairly unlikely. However, in one test, I did get 1
or 2 more Rs than transmitted. It's interesting that in most cases, though
not all, I received more Rs than Ys.

The notes are at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/DspTU2/index.html#RYcount .

Harold
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 18 19:15:54 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:15:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] New toy to figure out
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New toy to figure out.??
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Fri Apr 19 00:22:28 2024
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 00:22:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] New toy to figure out
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Nick with the full manuals in 5...4....3...2..


> On Apr 18, 2024, at 9:12?PM, abowman89 via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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From macbax1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 00:26:25 2024
From: macbax1 at gmail.com (Joe Clanin)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 23:26:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] New toy to figure out
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>Nick with the full manuals in 5...4....3...2..

Ha! Possibly even in multiple versions!

We appreciate your work, Nick!

-Joe

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:24?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Nick with the full manuals in 5...4....3...2..
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> > On Apr 18, 2024, at 9:12?PM, abowman89 via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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> > New toy to figure out.
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 08:51:12 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 08:51:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] New toy to figure out
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https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/rtty-journal/1963-1972/PDF/VO15NO8.PDF

Assuming that is a Mainline TT/L-2 ???

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 12:26 AM Joe Clanin <macbax1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >Nick with the full manuals in 5...4....3...2..
>
> Ha! Possibly even in multiple versions!
>
> We appreciate your work, Nick!
>
> -Joe
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:24?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>
>> Nick with the full manuals in 5...4....3...2..
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 18, 2024, at 9:12?PM, abowman89 via GreenKeys <
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>> > ?
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>> > New toy to figure out.
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 19 09:00:24 2024
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 08:00:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] New toy to figure out
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2024, Nick England wrote:

> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/rtty-journal/1963-1972/PDF/VO15NO8.P
> DF
> 
> Assuming that is a Mainline TT/L-2 ???
> 
The late Keith Petersen W8SDZ was a co-developer with Irv Hoff and
I've heard him say he thought the TT/L-2 was a better performer than
the ST-6.

From til128 at juno.com  Fri Apr 19 11:46:00 2024
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:46:00 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY at 100WPM
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Hi all: We seem to be having technical difficulties with ITTY at 100 WPM. We are working on a "fix" and hope to be up and running shortly. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Tom WB2TTY Tillson
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:55:56 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY 100 back
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^1For those who use it, ITTY 100WPM is back on line for your enjoyment. Thank you for your patience and understanding during the outage. TT 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 20:36:14 2024
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 20:36:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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Before applying power, you should turn the motor by hand to be sure the
printing mechanism is not frozen due to damage or gunked up grease.

Just ?humming? probably indicates something is frozen and the motor is
stalled. I hope he didn?t leave it on long enough to overheat/damage the
motor.

If it wasn?t frozen, you?d expect it to be whirring with gear noises and
trying to print blank characters. This is known as ?running open? because
the signal line is open and that is equivalent to printing blanks. I have
never heard a model 26 so someone else should pipe in if it sounds much
different from a 15 or 28. But still this should only be a brief test - how
far would you drive a car with no oil?

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 8:13 PM Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> When one is powered on fir the first time after many, many, many
> years.....what would you expect the unit to do? Here is what the seller
> said:
>
> "OK.  I went out to the storage container and plugged the teletype in.
> Nothing!  So, I opened the bottom and found this very old 'power strip'
> looking thing consisting of three 'gang' boxes all hooked together in
> parallel with some kind of what looks like a fuse. I tested the plugs and
> there was no power.  So I bypassed the power strip and plugged the power
> cord coming from the teletype above directly to my extension cord and it
> turned on. I could here a motor humming!  So, obviously, that antique power
> strip or whatever its called needs to be upgraded."
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacob
> W3WDM
>
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From georgeengeman at aol.com  Sat Apr 20 04:15:27 2024
From: georgeengeman at aol.com (georgeengeman at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 08:15:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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 What Nick says is very good advice.? The 26 was the first machine I ever owned back in 1961. (I had to get it and its companion table out of an attic in a house in San Francisco--something of a chore.)
As I dimly I recall, if the 26 has congealed lubricant, an important thing to look for is the possibility of a broken or damaged type pallet in the type wheel.? If the pallet sticks (due to dried-out lubricant) in its slot in the type wheel assembly, it could get damaged by the type hammer bar as the typewheel rotates, which it will do when the machine is "run open".? Check to make sure all type pallets are in their retracted position and move freely against the springs before powering up.? Check? that the type hammer bar is similarly not sticking.
The clutches in the 26 need to be checked for dried out felts.? Squirt some 5W or 10W ordinary motor oil on them to rejuvenate the felts.? (The detergent in the motor oil often acts to free up dried-out lubricants.)
If this 26 has been sitting around for a long time--its likely to be 65-70 years old--a thorough visual check out and manual rotation of the motor to be sure every critical thing is moving freely is highly recommended.? Damage to anything when powering up the motor will be quite difficult to fix since parts for the 26 are virtually unobtainable in my opinion.
Good luck with the 26.? I found it to be a very nice and relatively quiet teletypewriter and I made a lot of contacts with it.? My late friend Bob Weitbrecht, W6NRM, a RTTY pioneer and the developer of teletypewriters for the deaf remarked to me that the 26 was his favorite teletypewriter.
Be sure to get the companion table and paper bar (fits on the back of the enclosure or table--I don't recall which) when getting the machine--especially the table.? The 1957 edition of The RTTY Handbook by Wayne Green W2NSD and Byron Kretzman W2JTP has some info on the 26 since these machines were often put into ham hands from the local phone companies back then as they were replaced by 15s, 19s and, in some cases, 28s.
Have fun!George W6BN
    On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 05:36:41 PM PDT, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:   

 Before applying power, you should turn the motor by hand to be sure the printing mechanism is not frozen due to damage or gunked up grease.?
Just ?humming? probably indicates something is frozen and the motor is stalled. I hope he didn?t leave it on long enough to overheat/damage the motor.?
If it wasn?t frozen, you?d expect it to be whirring with gear noises and trying to print blank characters. This is known as ?running open? because the signal line is open and that is equivalent to printing blanks. I have never heard a model 26 so someone else should pipe in if it sounds much different from a 15 or 28. But still this should only be a brief test - how far would you drive a car with no oil?

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 8:13 PM Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

When one is powered on fir the first time after many, many, many years.....what would you expect the unit to do? Here is what the seller said:
"OK.? I went out to the storage container and plugged the teletype in.? Nothing!? So, I opened the bottom and found this very old 'power strip' looking thing consisting of three 'gang' boxes all hooked together in parallel with some kind of what looks like a fuse. I tested the plugs and there was no power.? So I bypassed the power strip and plugged the power cord coming from the teletype above directly to my extension cord and it turned on. I could here a motor humming!? So, obviously, that antique power strip or whatever its called needs to be upgraded."

Thanks,
Jacob?W3WDM?

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From champtastic13 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 19 20:13:53 2024
From: champtastic13 at hotmail.com (Champ Champtastic)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 00:13:53 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
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When one is powered on fir the first time after many, many, many years.....what would you expect the unit to do? Here is what the seller said:

"OK.  I went out to the storage container and plugged the teletype in.  Nothing!  So, I opened the bottom and found this very old 'power strip' looking thing consisting of three 'gang' boxes all hooked together in parallel with some kind of what looks like a fuse. I tested the plugs and there was no power.  So I bypassed the power strip and plugged the power cord coming from the teletype above directly to my extension cord and it turned on. I could here a motor humming!  So, obviously, that antique power strip or whatever its called needs to be upgraded."

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Thanks,

Jacob
W3WDM



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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
Date: 4/17/24 4:44 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

Agreed, the pricing has to be up to you.

I may have (mistakenly or not) paid well more than that because mine came shipped in the original signal corps cases it went to feild with. Clearly mine was built for and I tell myself perhaps saw Korea. I paid it because of the whole thing being present and correct - it?s what I wanted.

Not knowing I had a cracked iron casting was my penance for being impulsive.  40 buck part and another 20 in the swear jar, good as new.

Taking into account the ?apparent? condition of that rig, it?s more unique, and possibly the webs have valued that at twice the price.  You may be getting a genuinely decent deal. Or note the difference between ebayer and evil-bayer?.

I think you should see it to justify the $400.  Just like you said take the cover off and make sure the guts aren?t rotted and rusty - and if it?s sussy, you aren?t committed.

Nothing as satisfying as getting a 1951 5-bit machine to work on the air and also with your MacBook Pro. HAHAHAHA


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On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:16?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

?
I appreciate the information.  I'll definitely check out those pages. I've only been at it a couple years myself but never with a teletype machine so that will be a new experience.

I'm in the same boat with the scarcity of Elmer's. There are a ton of guys that will teach you anything you want to know about DXpeditions, contesting...you name it. Operating we'll say. When it comes to actually working on equipment though the knowledge level definitely gets pretty shallow fast. I was fortunate enough to meet an Elmer online several years ago....he was actually the one that convinced me to get my ticket....and that's where I've gained  most of my knowledge from.  We've never met (he's in Texas) and all of our correspondence is email or messenger. We've spoken on the phone only twice and he accidentally FaceTimed me once and was super uncomfortable (introvert lol). It has been a good relationship and learning experience though.

The next closest would be the Harris forum. I've learned quite a bit from that forum so I'm hoping to continue that growth here.

I'm on the fence at this point as to what to do regarding the Model 26. I'm impulsive which generally leads to poor decisions lol. I've received everything from "the price is reasonable" to "absolutely unfathomable." The argument for both ends of the spectrum can easily be made...and make sense.

Decisions decisions.

Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
Date: 4/17/24 3:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

He doesn?t sell directly there, but I think he has some friends who do sell consignments for him.

I sure did download a check this and check that stuff to you, don?t worry about it too much, most of that is based on what I have been through here, running mine for less than a year.  And mine came to me nearly a wreck!

I learned a TON of the stuff I said and even more radio stuff this last year doing this project. Just the learning alone was worth the effort to me.

I haven?t seen a 26 being repaired but there are plenty of m15/19 on YouTube. Some simple, some super complex with all the electrical stuff.  I just watched some of the electronics to note in case I thought I wanted to come back to it.

If I picked one creator with information I have used the most - it?s Curious Marc. Keeping in mind he did the fullest degree restore and polishing all the inside bits on a model like mine? he built custom projects thats not entirely necessary but helped teach how these things work.  He also had the crazy power supply in his model 19 I?m glad I don?t have to deal with.

I CAN relate to exploding capacitor bother but not related to this machinery haha

There are more videos, even some from members here on greenkeys, and I worked the ?quirks? out of my machines with YouTube, emails to people who know things, and certainly from Mr RTTY

My radio club here doesn?t really have a strong Elmer culture and certainly not on this stuff - I say it?s totally worth it and do-able with patience and a forum like this.

Anthony
WB7PZZ
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On Apr 17, 2024, at 3:07?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

?
This might just be a crazy coincidence but does he sell on eBay? There happens to be a Model 26 on eBay located in El Sobrante....asking $849.99!

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I put in an email to the gentleman selling the one locally (1 hour away) to see if he's flexible on the price. That will give me a better feel for where we're at.

As for testing....you give me far too much credit lol! This is so foreign that the extent would probably be opening it up, making sure nothing looks terribly obvious and then gambling and taking it home with my fingers and toes crossed.

His email read:

"Here are some photos of the Teletype Machine.  As you can see, it comes with the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual) Which is a complete instruction, care and maintenance manual.  Also comes with spare paper roll.  Does it work?  I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  It comes with the floor standing mount which has a fold down door for holding extra rolls of paper."

If I can figure out how to hook it up, and he's amenable, I might try to fire it up. Based on his respons I think he just purchased it for his museum and has probably never run it. So he himself probably doesn't even know if it works. Just my feeling.

There's also an ad for a model 26 up near Portland....asking $1,000. Crazy!

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Jacob
W3WDM

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From: Anthony Watson <watsonac at aol.com>
Date: 4/17/24 2:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>, bob at pathline.net, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris

Hey Jacob,

That?s a really nice looking machine.  Looks like there may be a good chance it shares parts from the M15/M19.  But that?s totally a guess based on the keycaps and design language there haha. High chance its fine, the metal machines are tanks compared to the plastic ones.  Wait till you lift one!

If you are going to see in person, might ask if it would be ok to look inside, turn the motor by hand and hit a key while you turn it - watch it cycle through. Take a DMM and make sure the selector magnets aren?t fried (open or dead-short, there should be ohms). That should be a reasonable or super conservative test to know what you might be taking on.  But it could bring the price down if you know you have to find and replace magnets, etc?.

Prepare to possibly see/smell a lot of grease that is now wax? That was the root of some of my problems but it cleans up?

If he offers to power it up - If the power supply is DC, separate, in that desk, or external (the motor could run on DC) that will be capacitor and possibly vacuum tube checking, which will need doing anyway, so I wouldn?t fire it up unless its been on recently - In that case.

Otherwise, if it?s just an AC motor, as many are - let the guy do it for a minute! It will still need cleaning up and oil before i?d run it too long.

As for finding parts - I just restored a m15,  a M28 TD, and M28 Typing reperforator (can see on my QRZ, WB7PZZ) and only had a couple wish-list things I couldn?t get - but nothing mission critical.  eBay, green keys, and see below?

$400 for the machine and the desk is pretty good in my opinion, for those of us who don?t have generous RTTY Elmers nearby! Especially how clean that looks.  If it is as posted, clean and lubricate, check electrics, and be running with metal - worth it!

You have Paul Cembura, RTTY Electronics, in Northern Cali (El Sobrante, CA)? And he will ship parts so you don?t have to go unless you want to. He has machines too, come to think of it, just have to go get those and repair them yourself.

A quick email or chat might help make a decision if he has M26 parts you might potentially need.

RTTY Electronics
(510) 243-6651
mr_rtty at pacbell.net


Anthony
WB7PZZ


On Apr 17, 2024, at 1:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:

?
Hello Bob,

Thank you for the reply. The seller is asking $400, which I thought was reasonable as a novice, however based on some replies I'm not as confident now. Teletype machines were largely phased out by the time I was born so this is all well outside my wheelhouse. My only experience with "vintage" RTTY equipment is the TS-930S I have paired with a Hal CWR-6850 Telereader. That should get a laugh.

In fact the only time I've actually touched a teletype machine was at the March Air Museum at March Air Force Base in Riverside, CA. They're a fascinating piece of technology that I would like to gain some experience with. I have a small collection of vintage radios and I would like to add a teletype machine to the group. Ideally I would like to pair it with my Harris URC-94 and a Dovetron or Hal (ST-6000....8000 etc) decoder. I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here though.

Back to the Model 26. When I asked if the unit worked the reply I received was "I have no way of testing it but aside from many years of accumulated dust, I can't see any reason why it
wouldn't work." The deal includes the unit, the desk, a spare roll of paper and the Bell System BSP (Bell System practice manual)....which according to the seller is a
complete instruction, care and maintenance manual. The gentleman has a small personal museum that he is now liquidating and it is one of the items he is letting go.

Military and Teletype gear seem to be pretty hard to come by here in the Pacific Northwest (I had to do a 13 hour round trip to Sacramento just to get the Harris URC-94 in non-working condition). I've kept an eye out for about a year and this was the first unit I've seen pop up albeit I may not have been looking in the right spots it would seem. Here are the pictures I received from the seller. I would appreciate your thoughts. The lack of available parts as you mentioned could be a problem...as well as the lack of useful keys.

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Thank you,

Jacob
W3WDM


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-------- Original message --------
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
Date: 4/17/24 8:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: champtastic13 at hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris


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From: Robert G Snyder <bob at pathline.net<mailto:bob at pathline.net>>
Date: Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:45?AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Teletypewriter with Harris
To: <champtastic13=hotmail.com at groups.io<mailto:hotmail.com at groups.io>>, <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net<mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>


Hello Jacob,

Your message was forwarded to the Greenkeys group (see below) and I am replying there and to your email address (I hope).

I owned a Model 26 when I was a young ham in the mid to late '60s. It was my first Teletype machine. I don't know what kind of deal you can get on this machine, whether it works, or whether it is right for you, but I just had to comment. I don't know anything about your Harris radio but it looks like it could be fine for RTTY work.

First, thanks for the photos! What a gorgeous machine! They bring back many fond memories. I spent many hours using mine on the air and also fixing it when it broke. I learned a lot about it. I was lucky as I had a box full of spare parts for it.

The Model 26 was intended for lighter duty than the M15, M19, M14, etc. They weren't as successful as the more rugged models, so not very many of them are still around. It is unique in that it requires the wooden table that came with it for the shock mounts and the fact that the paper roll was located there. Your unit appears to be in amazing original condition. Also, based on the assortment of key caps, this machine probably has a non-typical type wheel - it probably has lots of fraction characters instead of the more useful ":", ";", "?", "," etc.

If you want to start a new adventure and you are good with mechanical stuff this might be a good fit, but beware that it will be hard to get parts and keep it running. Good luck! If you decide take a pass, please consider passing along info on how someone else (not me) might acquire this machine.

Bob W6CP

Photo of my Model 26 circa 1967:


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On 4/16/24 21:05, Nick England wrote:

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Subject: [HarrisRadio] Teletypewriter with Harris
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I know many in the group run beautiful vintage RTTY stations with a teletypewriter. While I'll likely never be able to have anything as fancy or as sophisticated as most of you with the aforementioned setup I might be able to put together something more simplistic. Is it a reasonable pursuit to set up a station with a teletypewriter or am I barking up the wrong tree? Would it be difficult to interface with a decoder and transceiver (URC-94?)? I admittedly have zero experience with a teletypewriter.

The extent of my "vintage" RTTY experience is a Hal Telereader if that tells you anything.

The reason for my question is I have an opportunity to purchase a Bell model 26 teletypewriter locally. Is this model even within this purview?

I appreciate any and all opinions. Thank you in advance.















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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 20 12:11:05 2024
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:11:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype M15 available near Rochester, NY
Message-ID: <67a1c02b-d0eb-4ab3-8b84-fc6a25d08482@earthlink.net>

Met someone at a hamfest this AM with a TG-7-B (Teletype Corp. Model 15) 
in the original wooden transportation case that he is looking for a new 
home.? It had been his father's. Cover has some mildew, but all the 
keytops are there, and it looks good just peaking in the top.
Also a second printer chassis (no base) and a TD. These have been stored 
in a metal case and look very clean.

Pictures enclosed.

This equipment is located near Rochester, NY.? Don't know how much he 
wants for the lot, but probably not much.? He seemed more interested in 
finding? a good home for it, rather than making a lot of money from it.

Contact me off-line if interested.

Duncan
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sat Apr 20 14:10:18 2024
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:10:18 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype M15 available near Rochester, NY
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Thanks for the photo. Looks great!

Paul


> On Apr 20, 2024, at 11:17?AM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Met someone at a hamfest this AM with a TG-7-B (Teletype Corp. Model 15) in the original wooden transportation case that he is looking for a new home.  It had been his father's. Cover has some mildew, but all the keytops are there, and it looks good just peaking in the top.
> Also a second printer chassis (no base) and a TD. These have been stored in a metal case and look very clean.
> 
> Pictures enclosed.
> 
> This equipment is located near Rochester, NY.  Don't know how much he wants for the lot, but probably not much.  He seemed more interested in finding  a good home for it, rather than making a lot of money from it.
> 
> Contact me off-line if interested.
> 
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Sat Apr 20 14:52:08 2024
From: mmcauley at cox.net (Mike McAuley)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:52:08 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype M15 available near Rochester, NY
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That TD looks mint!Mike
-------- Original message --------From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> Date: 4/20/24  10:18 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype M15 available near Rochester, NY Met someone at a hamfest this AM with a TG-7-B (Teletype Corp. Model 15) in the original wooden transportation case that he is looking for a new home.? It had been his father's. Cover has some mildew, but all the keytops are there, and it looks good just peaking in the top.Also a second printer chassis (no base) and a TD. These have been stored in a metal case and look very clean.Pictures enclosed.This equipment is located near Rochester, NY.? Don't know how much he wants for the lot, but probably not much.? He seemed more interested in finding? a good home for it, rather than making a lot of money from it.Contact me off-line if interested.DuncanK2OEQ
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 15:05:49 2024
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (steve.n4tty at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:05:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
Message-ID: <010b01da9355$c2b70b10$48252130$@gmail.com>

Just finished loading a 28ASR into a pickup for it trip to a new home.
Everything, including AUX reperf, was taken out of the cabinet with the
exception of the TD and LESU.  And the we man-handled out of my house into
the bed of a pick.

 

Congratulations Ron, KA3JIJ, I know you are going to have hours of fun with
your new acquisition. And thanks to Nick, K4NYW, for helping get Ron and I
together.

 

Keeping these fine machines running surrounded by the smell of warm oil!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

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From elb at kb8ojh.net  Sat Apr 20 15:14:23 2024
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:14:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
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steve.n4tty at gmail.com wrote:
> Keeping these fine machines running surrounded by the smell of warm oil!

I have a Teletype Model 28 KSR in my office at the university where I
teach.  I fire it up several times a semester for demonstrations.
Students remark on many different aspects, but one of the most common
things for them to comment upon is the smell of oil.  The majority of
those comments are positive.  A surprising number (to me) of students
have asserted that it feels comforting, most of them without any prior
reason to know that anyone else has said the same thing.

I'm not sure exactly what that says, but I'm pretty sure it means that
re-homing your ASR is good, valuable work.  :-)

Ethan

From david.corbin at dynconcepts.com  Sat Apr 20 15:18:17 2024
From: david.corbin at dynconcepts.com (David V. Corbin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:18:17 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
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90% the reason I restored my two ASR 33s was the smell.9% was tactile and the sound. 1% was to use some of these cartons of rolled paper that I have. ????

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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home

steve.n4tty at gmail.com wrote:
> Keeping these fine machines running surrounded by the smell of warm oil!

I have a Teletype Model 28 KSR in my office at the university where I
teach.  I fire it up several times a semester for demonstrations.
Students remark on many different aspects, but one of the most common
things for them to comment upon is the smell of oil.  The majority of
those comments are positive.  A surprising number (to me) of students
have asserted that it feels comforting, most of them without any prior
reason to know that anyone else has said the same thing.

I'm not sure exactly what that says, but I'm pretty sure it means that
re-homing your ASR is good, valuable work.  :-)

Ethan
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From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:20:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
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From kv4cn at suddenlink.net  Sat Apr 20 15:27:44 2024
From: kv4cn at suddenlink.net (KV4CN)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:27:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-6 for sale
Message-ID: <a2696267-e34a-46c3-b0f8-4a0d9c296610@suddenlink.net>

Good afternoon,
I have a ST-6 terminal unit for sale.? It has been several years since I 
last used it, but no reason to believe that it will not work.? It has 
been stored covered, on a shelf, in an upstairs bonus room.
Condition is good except for the plastic meter cover.? It is broken and 
missing at the top of the meter (see photo).? Does not effect function 
and similar size meter is included with the sale if you want to replace it.
Copy of the manual is included.? Looking for a reasonable offer and 
buyer to pay UPS shipping.? I will label and remove the PCB's, wrap them 
individually, and separate them from the case.? This will prevent total 
damage as they will come loose if left in the card slots.
Any questions or if you want additional photos, please let me know. I am 
located in eastern North Carolina.
Thanks,
Dave LeMoine, KV4CN
kv4cn at suddenlink.net



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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sat Apr 20 16:17:17 2024
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:17:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypewriter with Harris
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More than likely the fuse is blown (cutting power to the plugs)? you?ll want to keep that fuse good just in case :) (get a new one).


> On Apr 19, 2024, at 7:13?PM, Champ Champtastic <champtastic13 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When one is powered on fir the first time after many, many, many years.....what would you expect the unit to do? Here is what the seller said:
> 
> "OK.  I went out to the storage container and plugged the teletype in.  Nothing!  So, I opened the bottom and found this very old 'power strip' looking thing consisting of three 'gang' boxes all hooked together in parallel with some kind of what looks like a fuse. I tested the plugs and there was no power.  So I bypassed the power strip and plugged the power cord coming from the teletype above directly to my extension cord and it turned on. I could here a motor humming!  So, obviously, that antique power strip or whatever its called needs to be upgraded."
> 
> <1489244539_1713571991100_1024055.jpeg> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jacob 
> W3WDM 

From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 16:23:06 2024
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (steve.n4tty at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:23:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <a2696267-e34a-46c3-b0f8-4a0d9c296610@suddenlink.net>
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It must be ST-6 day!  I just sent one to a new home along with the Teletype 28ASR that just left here an hour or so ago!!

Steve G./N4TTY

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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 3:28 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-6 for sale

Good afternoon,
I have a ST-6 terminal unit for sale.  It has been several years since I last used it, but no reason to believe that it will not work.  It has been stored covered, on a shelf, in an upstairs bonus room.
Condition is good except for the plastic meter cover.  It is broken and missing at the top of the meter (see photo).  Does not effect function and similar size meter is included with the sale if you want to replace it.
Copy of the manual is included.  Looking for a reasonable offer and buyer to pay UPS shipping.  I will label and remove the PCB's, wrap them individually, and separate them from the case.  This will prevent total damage as they will come loose if left in the card slots.
Any questions or if you want additional photos, please let me know. I am located in eastern North Carolina.
Thanks,
Dave LeMoine, KV4CN
kv4cn at suddenlink.net



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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 16:25:16 2024
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (steve.n4tty at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:25:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
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My first 33, or I guess I should first 2 33s, I drove all the way from GA to PA to bring home!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 3:20 PM
To: David V. Corbin <david.corbin at dynconcepts.com>
Cc: Ethan Blanton <elb at kb8ojh.net>; steve.n4tty at gmail.com; greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home

 

My first 33 I drove from PA to Ohio to pick it up. My car smelled sooo goood on the way back!

 

Jeff





On Apr 20, 2024, at 3:18?PM, David V. Corbin <david.corbin at dynconcepts.com <mailto:david.corbin at dynconcepts.com> > wrote:

? 

90% the reason I restored my two ASR 33s was the smell.9% was tactile and the sound. 1% was to use some of these cartons of rolled paper that I have. ????

 

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Cc: 'greenkeys' <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home 

 

steve.n4tty at gmail.com <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com>  wrote:
> Keeping these fine machines running surrounded by the smell of warm oil!

I have a Teletype Model 28 KSR in my office at the university where I
teach.  I fire it up several times a semester for demonstrations.
Students remark on many different aspects, but one of the most common
things for them to comment upon is the smell of oil.  The majority of
those comments are positive.  A surprising number (to me) of students
have asserted that it feels comforting, most of them without any prior
reason to know that anyone else has said the same thing.

I'm not sure exactly what that says, but I'm pretty sure it means that
re-homing your ASR is good, valuable work.  :-)

Ethan
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sat Apr 20 16:27:24 2024
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:27:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Full synthetic motor oil treatment...
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I sent this separately to someone, but I?m also posting it for the group for any discussion or thoughts (if needed):


Full synthetic 5w-40 high mileage motor oil (they do make the high mileage stuff for that weight now) is what I use for all of the oiling and cleaning.  I?ve tried diluted mineral spirits combined with sewing machine oil (or something - can?t remember anymore) to get things unstuck, but it can be harsh on the metal.  The thing that I?ve found with the full synthetic and what?s nice about it is the detergent.  Get a small oil can with a needle-tipped end and douse any stuck parts with it.  The motor oil will get in the cracks of the caked-on stuff and eventually break it apart.  Also, the motor oil wicks into small cracks between frozen metal parts and helps loosen them up.

Now the TT manuals do call for grease in some areas, but I still to the motor oil? probably bad advice but it hasn?t failed me yet.  The motor oil will fly if freshly applied when the machine is on, but I also see it as protecting the metal from rust.

My two cents anyways :) .

From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sat Apr 20 16:29:21 2024
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
In-Reply-To: <013901da9360$db673ad0$9235b070$@gmail.com>
References: <CO1P222MB03561BC4A2B32DB3771985889E0C2@CO1P222MB0356.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<09A87F76-AC2D-4F15-83AF-35D746C4CCC4@junknet.net>
	<013901da9360$db673ad0$9235b070$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C9A8549-8FD1-4612-9F98-1B209925C61C@xsmail.com>


Man those 33?s scare me.  I had one once and gave it to a young local ham who got it going.  Sometimes it feels like just looking at the thing will make it break ? (plastic and all)?..


> On Apr 20, 2024, at 3:25?PM, steve.n4tty at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> My first 33, or I guess I should first 2 33s, I drove all the way from GA to PA to bring home!
>  Steve G./N4TTY
>  From: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> 
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 3:20 PM
> To: David V. Corbin <david.corbin at dynconcepts.com>
> Cc: Ethan Blanton <elb at kb8ojh.net>; steve.n4tty at gmail.com; greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
>  My first 33 I drove from PA to Ohio to pick it up. My car smelled sooo goood on the way back!
>  Jeff

From david.corbin at dynconcepts.com  Sat Apr 20 16:31:37 2024
From: david.corbin at dynconcepts.com (David V. Corbin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:31:37 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
In-Reply-To: <2C9A8549-8FD1-4612-9F98-1B209925C61C@xsmail.com>
References: <CO1P222MB03561BC4A2B32DB3771985889E0C2@CO1P222MB0356.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<09A87F76-AC2D-4F15-83AF-35D746C4CCC4@junknet.net>
	<013901da9360$db673ad0$9235b070$@gmail.com>
	<2C9A8549-8FD1-4612-9F98-1B209925C61C@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <CO1P222MB03563DF1FC66936C2BC7A9469E0C2@CO1P222MB0356.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The plastic case is indeed fragile? but those machines will take quite a bit - when one considers they were intended to last only a short time with less than 2 hours per day usage.

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From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of E. <hanyou at xsmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 4:29:21 PM
To: Anthony Watson via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home


Man those 33?s scare me.  I had one once and gave it to a young local ham who got it going.  Sometimes it feels like just looking at the thing will make it break ? (plastic and all)?..


> On Apr 20, 2024, at 3:25?PM, steve.n4tty at gmail.com wrote:
>
> My first 33, or I guess I should first 2 33s, I drove all the way from GA to PA to bring home!
>  Steve G./N4TTY
>  From: Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 3:20 PM
> To: David V. Corbin <david.corbin at dynconcepts.com>
> Cc: Ethan Blanton <elb at kb8ojh.net>; steve.n4tty at gmail.com; greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 28ASR on its way to new home
>  My first 33 I drove from PA to Ohio to pick it up. My car smelled sooo goood on the way back!
>  Jeff
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 20 19:32:57 2024
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:32:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype M15 available near Rochester, NY
In-Reply-To: <67a1c02b-d0eb-4ab3-8b84-fc6a25d08482@earthlink.net>
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The equipment has been picked up by a Greenkeys member.

Another machine saved!

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 20-Apr-24 12:11, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Met someone at a hamfest this AM with a TG-7-B (Teletype Corp. Model 
> 15) in the original wooden transportation case that he is looking for 
> a new home.? It had been his father's. Cover has some mildew, but all 
> the keytops are there, and it looks good just peaking in the top.
> Also a second printer chassis (no base) and a TD. These have been 
> stored in a metal case and look very clean.
>
> Pictures enclosed.
>
> This equipment is located near Rochester, NY.? Don't know how much he 
> wants for the lot, but probably not much.? He seemed more interested 
> in finding? a good home for it, rather than making a lot of money from 
> it.
>
> Contact me off-line if interested.
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ


From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sat Apr 20 19:41:06 2024
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 17:41:06 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype M15 available near Rochester, NY
In-Reply-To: <59349831-88c4-4150-a6c0-207cdde532eb@earthlink.net>
References: <59349831-88c4-4150-a6c0-207cdde532eb@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F84986DC-B87D-4040-ADE2-5DE9C9708839@comcast.net>

Excellent!

Paul


> On Apr 20, 2024, at 5:33?PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The equipment has been picked up by a Greenkeys member.
> 
> Another machine saved!
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
> 
>> On 20-Apr-24 12:11, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Met someone at a hamfest this AM with a TG-7-B (Teletype Corp. Model 15) in the original wooden transportation case that he is looking for a new home.  It had been his father's. Cover has some mildew, but all the keytops are there, and it looks good just peaking in the top.
>> Also a second printer chassis (no base) and a TD. These have been stored in a metal case and look very clean.
>> 
>> Pictures enclosed.
>> 
>> This equipment is located near Rochester, NY.  Don't know how much he wants for the lot, but probably not much.  He seemed more interested in finding  a good home for it, rather than making a lot of money from it.
>> 
>> Contact me off-line if interested.
>> 
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
> 
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From kv4cn at suddenlink.net  Mon Apr 22 17:50:04 2024
From: kv4cn at suddenlink.net (KV4CN)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:50:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-6 is sold
Message-ID: <b13a6114-c0d7-43a3-aac9-e885ed2d4ac8@suddenlink.net>

The ST-6 is sold.
Thanks to all for a great list.? Never ceased to be amazed by the 
knowledge of its members.
Dave

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From dave at horsfall.org  Mon Apr 22 22:49:01 2024
From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 12:49:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL ST-6 is sold
In-Reply-To: <b13a6114-c0d7-43a3-aac9-e885ed2d4ac8@suddenlink.net>
References: <b13a6114-c0d7-43a3-aac9-e885ed2d4ac8@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2404231238040.22638@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, KV4CN wrote:

> Thanks to all for a great list.? Never ceased to be amazed by the 
> knowledge of its members.

<AOL>
Me too!
</AOL>

Seriously, the breadth and depth of knowledge on this list (and not just 
about those mechanical monsters) is superlative.

-- Dave (vk2kfu)

From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 06:04:35 2024
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:04:35 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] US Signal Corps -- Interesting reading
Message-ID: <a1eafbbf-1f95-4c4d-88f0-884feebe00c8@gmail.com>

US Signal Corps History. Several Chapters of good reading!
Enjoy!

http://www.tothosewhoserved.org/usa/ts/usatss02/foreword.html

Main site is http://www.tothosewhoserved.org

73, John W1AN


From rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com  Tue Apr 23 17:35:24 2024
From: rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com (rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:35:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need 60 WPM gearset for Model 28 Aux reperf
Message-ID: <a8c6897cc1da8b0f7b13f5eacfd78d28@wirelessimplementation.com>

I already checked with Paul Cembura, and he has none available.

The gearset I believe I need is Gearset part number 161811 for 60 WPM 
45.45 Baud operation according to my manual

It is made up of a 161790 44 tooth gear and a 161784 18 tooth gear.

Might anyone have a set available?

Thanks

Ron

KA3JIJ
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 18:39:38 2024
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (steve.n4tty at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 18:39:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need 60 WPM gearset for Model 28 Aux reperf
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References: <a8c6897cc1da8b0f7b13f5eacfd78d28@wirelessimplementation.com>
Message-ID: <013801da95cf$203516d0$609f4470$@gmail.com>

I?ll check an aux reperf I think I have in my shed.

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Ron Olexa via GreenKeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 5:35 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Need 60 WPM gearset for Model 28 Aux reperf

 

I already checked with Paul Cembura, and he has none available.

The gearset I believe I need is Gearset part number 161811 for 60 WPM 45.45 Baud operation according to my manual

It is made up of a 161790 44 tooth gear and a 161784 18 tooth gear.

Might anyone have a set available?

Thanks

Ron

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From tony.podrasky at gmail.com  Sat Apr 27 17:25:57 2024
From: tony.podrasky at gmail.com (tony j. podrasky)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:25:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] K2EAA - re-activated
Message-ID: <0d0c0d1b-ac43-45a3-bba9-f63baa1c5240@gmail.com>

Good Afternoon Hams!!!

It has been many many many years since I've been active in this group.

I'm in a condo association and antennas are restricted.

I JUST purchased a COMET CHA-250HD - and put it together this afternoon. 
Yeah, it's just a vertical - but it's better that nothing - and I think 
I can get away with taking the upper part off when it is not in use - 
and avoid the flak.

I'd like to know if there is a RTTY frequency that is regularly used for 
round-tables / message forwarding / autostart / any other activity.

I've been licensed since 1968 and been RTTY'ing since I got my general 
in 1969.

I'm in Escondido, California.

If sharing pictures "of your shack" is OK, I can post one.

73,

K2EAA - tony

NNNNZCZC

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Apr 27 17:36:01 2024
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:36:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] K2EAA - re-activated
In-Reply-To: <0d0c0d1b-ac43-45a3-bba9-f63baa1c5240@gmail.com>
References: <0d0c0d1b-ac43-45a3-bba9-f63baa1c5240@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7627d4f451524627bb03a8a3790f3130.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Autostart frequencies are listed at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/ . I am
typically on the 20 meter frequency all day most days.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


On Sat, April 27, 2024 2:25 pm, tony j. podrasky wrote:
> Good Afternoon Hams!!!
>
> It has been many many many years since I've been active in this group.
>
> I'm in a condo association and antennas are restricted.
>
> I JUST purchased a COMET CHA-250HD - and put it together this afternoon.
> Yeah, it's just a vertical - but it's better that nothing - and I think
> I can get away with taking the upper part off when it is not in use -
> and avoid the flak.
>
> I'd like to know if there is a RTTY frequency that is regularly used for
> round-tables / message forwarding / autostart / any other activity.
>
> I've been licensed since 1968 and been RTTY'ing since I got my general
> in 1969.
>
> I'm in Escondido, California.
>
> If sharing pictures "of your shack" is OK, I can post one.
>
> 73,
>
> K2EAA - tony
>
> NNNNZCZC
>
> --
> "There are no typing, spelling, or grammatical errors in my e-mail. What
> you are seeing is the evolution of the English language in action."
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>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
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>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Apr 27 17:37:22 2024
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:37:22 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] K2EAA - re-activated
In-Reply-To: <0d0c0d1b-ac43-45a3-bba9-f63baa1c5240@gmail.com>
References: <0d0c0d1b-ac43-45a3-bba9-f63baa1c5240@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5BE7071F-68C5-42CA-AF70-1598260A72F5@k6yic.com>

Welcome back, you?re sort of a neighbor? I am in Eastvale out by Corona.

Below are good places to look.

20 meter

14087 850hz Shift (This is military so USB 1575/2425 tones) 
14086 170hz Shift

40 Meter

7087 850hz Shift (This is military so USB 1575/2425 tones) 
7086 170hz Shift

If you have access to pipe in an SDR from the east coast for Receiving you can join in on the east coast net by transmitting on 7085 (Sometimes 7089 depending on QRF) and receiving using the NA5B SDR in D.C. at 0530-0700 Pacific Time on Saturday Mornings.  I am usually on as is Dave W6MQI, maybe next weekend we can all jump on some time in the morning and see how your setup is working.

When it happens there is a West Coast Net on Saturdays (I think at last look it was at 0930) using the Military Standard 7087 USB 45.45 baud 850hz shift (1575-2425 tones) 

You can post pictures no problem, lets see what you have going on.

Daniel




Daniel Jones (K6YIC)
DJones at k6yic.com
http://K6YIC.com
HH Phone #11973
SKCC#28598


?

> On Apr 27, 2024, at 14:25, tony j. podrasky <tony.podrasky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon Hams!!!
> 
> It has been many many many years since I've been active in this group.
> 
> I'm in a condo association and antennas are restricted.
> 
> I JUST purchased a COMET CHA-250HD - and put it together this afternoon. Yeah, it's just a vertical - but it's better that nothing - and I think I can get away with taking the upper part off when it is not in use - and avoid the flak.
> 
> I'd like to know if there is a RTTY frequency that is regularly used for round-tables / message forwarding / autostart / any other activity.
> 
> I've been licensed since 1968 and been RTTY'ing since I got my general in 1969.
> 
> I'm in Escondido, California.
> 
> If sharing pictures "of your shack" is OK, I can post one.
> 
> 73,
> 
> K2EAA - tony
> 
> NNNNZCZC
> 
> -- 
> "There are no typing, spelling, or grammatical errors in my e-mail. What you are seeing is the evolution of the English language in action." -E.S.
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 29 12:34:47 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 11:34:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mixed decoder bag..... of woe
Message-ID: <2055476036.1404762.1714408502884@yahoo.com>

Well the wait begins.? I blew out a high voltage transistor and a 555 timer ic (I think) in my hal 5000.? Mean while in my mainline tt/l-2 I've made great progress and can now recieve an input but not key the loop.? Ironically that means they both have the same problem for different reasons.? So I'm out of action until parts show up.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Mon Apr 29 13:47:45 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 12:47:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mixed decoder bag..... of woe
In-Reply-To: <2055476036.1404762.1714408502884@yahoo.com>
References: <2055476036.1404762.1714408502884@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82a9138b-ac47-651b-de53-362674ac384b@tapr.org>

Hola se?or Boman?

Maybe program a signature in your Galaxy email app so us old folks don't 
have to squint at the message headers to figure out who sent it ... just 
sayiing.

(now watch yahoo bounce me?)

On 4/29/2024 11:34 AM, abowman89 via GreenKeys wrote:
> Well the wait begins.  I blew out a high voltage transistor and a 555 
> timer ic (I think) in my hal 5000.  Mean while in my mainline tt/l-2 
> I've made great progress and can now recieve an input but not key the 
> loop.  Ironically that means they both have the same problem for 
> different reasons.  So I'm out of action until parts show up.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
>
>
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Mon Apr 29 13:50:44 2024
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 12:50:44 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mixed decoder bag..... of woe
In-Reply-To: <82a9138b-ac47-651b-de53-362674ac384b@tapr.org>
References: <2055476036.1404762.1714408502884@yahoo.com>
	<82a9138b-ac47-651b-de53-362674ac384b@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <0bc05ae2-bdc3-0f1c-5096-ea3cae2f20a1@tapr.org>

Now that came off sounding like a grumpy old man and I didn't mean it 
too, darn.  (maybe I are one? )


On 4/29/2024 12:47 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Hola se?or Boman?
>
> Maybe program a signature in your Galaxy email app so us old folks 
> don't have to squint at the message headers to figure out who sent it 
> ... just sayiing.
>
> (now watch yahoo bounce me?)
>
> On 4/29/2024 11:34 AM, abowman89 via GreenKeys wrote:
>> Well the wait begins.  I blew out a high voltage transistor and a 555 
>> timer ic (I think) in my hal 5000. Mean while in my mainline tt/l-2 
>> I've made great progress and can now recieve an input but not key the 
>> loop.  Ironically that means they both have the same problem for 
>> different reasons.  So I'm out of action until parts show up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>
>>
>>
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>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
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John, W9DDD


From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 29 15:27:46 2024
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 14:27:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Mixed decoder bag..... of woe
In-Reply-To: <0bc05ae2-bdc3-0f1c-5096-ea3cae2f20a1@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <1222167571.2190846.1714418874897@yahoo.com>

Haha no worries I didn't take it like that.? Just alittle whinning on my part.? I think I've made some progress on both,? it's just waiting on tubes and transistors that's killing me.? ? ? BowmanSent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "John, W9DDD" <w9ddd at tapr.org> Date: 4/29/24  12:50 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: abowman89 <abowman89 at yahoo.com>, Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mixed decoder bag..... of woe Now that came off sounding like a grumpy old man and I didn't mean it too, darn.? (maybe I are one? )On 4/29/2024 12:47 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:> Hola se?or Boman?>> Maybe program a signature in your Galaxy email app so us old folks > don't have to squint at the message headers to figure out who sent it > ... just sayiing.>> (now watch yahoo bounce me?)>> On 4/29/2024 11:34 AM, abowman89 via GreenKeys wrote:>> Well the wait begins.? I blew out a high voltage transistor and a 555 >> timer ic (I think) in my hal 5000. Mean while in my mainline tt/l-2 >> I've made great progress and can now recieve an input but not key the >> loop.? Ironically that means they both have the same problem for >> different reasons.? So I'm out of action until parts show up.>>>>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________>> GreenKeys mailing list>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: >>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: >>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: >>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: >>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> Message delivered to w9ddd at tapr.org>-- -------The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.John, W9DDD
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From n9vmo at comcast.net  Mon Apr 29 19:04:42 2024
From: n9vmo at comcast.net (Joe Montano)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:04:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH: Model 28 ASR
Message-ID: <014c01da9a89$9fb29950$df17cbf0$@comcast.net>

Folks,

 

I have been offered first refusal on a Model 28 ASR, unfortunately I don't
have the means to transport it or anywhere to put it if I did get it.

 

I have asked the current owner if I could let the group know of its
availability and they have said yes.

 

This machine is a Model 28ASR. It also has a reperf unit that will make
ribbon tapes and transmit ribbon tapes as well. I have one case (12 rolls)
of paper, either 6 or 8 cases of ribbon tape. Each case I believe hold 10 or
12 rolls of ribbon.

 

The machine needs to be removed NLT 30 May or it goes out to the curb for
the scrappers.

 

Please contact the current owner directly at w8trw.ham at gmail.com
<mailto:w8trw.ham at gmail.com>  for more information.

 

Joe

N9VMO

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Apr 29 19:20:49 2024
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:20:49 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH: Model 28 ASR
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References: <014c01da9a89$9fb29950$df17cbf0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4984d3fc2b45be449d96c773e17be7c7.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Location?

On Mon, April 29, 2024 4:04 pm, Joe Montano wrote:
> Folks,
>
>
>
> I have been offered first refusal on a Model 28 ASR, unfortunately I don't
> have the means to transport it or anywhere to put it if I did get it.
>
>
>
> I have asked the current owner if I could let the group know of its
> availability and they have said yes.
>
>
>
> This machine is a Model 28ASR. It also has a reperf unit that will make
> ribbon tapes and transmit ribbon tapes as well. I have one case (12 rolls)
> of paper, either 6 or 8 cases of ribbon tape. Each case I believe hold 10
> or
> 12 rolls of ribbon.
>
>
>
> The machine needs to be removed NLT 30 May or it goes out to the curb for
> the scrappers.
>
>
>
> Please contact the current owner directly at w8trw.ham at gmail.com
> <mailto:w8trw.ham at gmail.com>  for more information.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> N9VMO
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to harold at w6iwi.org


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From elb at kb8ojh.net  Mon Apr 29 20:13:34 2024
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 20:13:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH: Model 28 ASR
In-Reply-To: <4984d3fc2b45be449d96c773e17be7c7.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <014c01da9a89$9fb29950$df17cbf0$@comcast.net>
	<4984d3fc2b45be449d96c773e17be7c7.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <ZjA3rsddU_vnxHlX@colt.lan>

Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
> Location?

Callsign (W8TRW) suggests Toledo, OH.

