From wcprops at vt.edu  Tue Apr  1 11:08:06 2025
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 11:08:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
Message-ID: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B, but I'm
not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for any help.

Chris
W4SVA
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From steve.n4tty at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 17:36:41 2025
From: steve.n4tty at gmail.com (steve.n4tty at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 17:36:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>

William,

 

Where are you located? QRZ says VA.

 

I?m in the Atlanta area and if you?re coming my way I might be able to help you out!

 

Steve G./N4TTY

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of William Props
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2025 11:08 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover

 

I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B, but I'm not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for any help.

 

Chris

W4SVA 

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Apr  1 19:51:30 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 23:51:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <555909283.533784.1743551490962@mail.yahoo.com>

I have most of a cover (missing some bits) but I'm in Colorado Springs.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Tuesday, April 1, 2025 at 09:08:41 AM MDT, William Props <wcprops at vt.edu> wrote:

I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B, but I'm not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for any help.

Chris
W4SVA?

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 07:43:09 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 07:43:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Photos via paper tape 1925
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcF2VNhEiNTB+JsEQTnEsqOYWAUpVWst5NTPuM6iETeSg@mail.gmail.com>

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/73505.html#more-73505


Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From wcprops at vt.edu  Wed Apr  2 08:50:39 2025
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 08:50:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Steve and Wayne,

Unfortunately I won't be near the Atlanta or Colorado Springs area anytime
soon. Any idea what a cover weighs? If I can't find one closer, I wonder if
the weight would make shipping cost prohibitive?

Chris
W4SVA

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025, 5:36?PM <steve.n4tty at gmail.com> wrote:

> William,
>
>
>
> Where are you located? QRZ says VA.
>
>
>
> I?m in the Atlanta area and if you?re coming my way I might be able to
> help you out!
>
>
>
> Steve G./N4TTY
>
>
>
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *William Props
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2025 11:08 AM
> *To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
>
>
>
> I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B, but I'm
> not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> W4SVA
>
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Wed Apr  2 11:44:25 2025
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 15:44:25 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Photos via paper tape 1925
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcF2VNhEiNTB+JsEQTnEsqOYWAUpVWst5NTPuM6iETeSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNcF2VNhEiNTB+JsEQTnEsqOYWAUpVWst5NTPuM6iETeSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB0917D9831F534DE7381562ACA8AF2@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

From:?Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> -- Wednesday, April 2, 2025 6:43 AM

> https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/73505.html#more-73505

This is brilliant stuff.  If anyone's curious, the first Bartlane US Patent is 1,653,425.  It gives a bit more technical detail.  I added a citation to it to Wikipedia's article on wirephotos, which already mentioned the Bartlane system but with references only to secondary sources that had no good citations.

           Doug Jones

From w9ddd at tapr.org  Wed Apr  2 12:10:20 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 11:10:20 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>

I remember seeing a document on Nick's site that listed weights for 15 
vintage equipment by component part. If I remember how to find it ....  
it was likely a military publication.


On 4/2/2025 7:50 AM, William Props wrote:
> Steve and Wayne,
>
> Unfortunately I won't be near the Atlanta or Colorado Springs area 
> anytime soon. Any idea what a cover weighs? If I can't find one 
> closer, I wonder if the weight would make shipping cost prohibitive?
>
> Chris
> W4SVA
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2025, 5:36?PM <steve.n4tty at gmail.com 
> <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     William,
>
>     Where are you located? QRZ says VA.
>
>     I?m in the Atlanta area and if you?re coming my way I might be
>     able to help you out!
>
>     Steve G./N4TTY
>
>     *From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>     <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> *On Behalf Of *William
>     Props
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2025 11:08 AM
>     *To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>     *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
>
>     I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B,
>     but I'm not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for
>     any help.
>
>     Chris
>
>     W4SVA
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.

John, W9DDD


From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Apr  2 12:43:33 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 09:43:33 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <40e22ef004fa91182ad1176ff0275550.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Shipping this stuff is expensive! Is anyone planning a road trip that
could transport stuff? Several years ago, I drove from Denver to the
Dayton Hamfest and picked up equipment from Nick. Along with the equipment
for me, I picked up several pieces of equipment that I dropped off in a
couple states on my way back home.

Maybe along with posting equipment wanted and available here, we could
post upcoming road trips.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



-- 
Not sent from an iPhone.

From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Apr  2 13:23:28 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 10:23:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Photos via paper tape 1925
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR04MB0917D9831F534DE7381562ACA8AF2@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAB55hNcF2VNhEiNTB+JsEQTnEsqOYWAUpVWst5NTPuM6iETeSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN6PR04MB0917D9831F534DE7381562ACA8AF2@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <38aca31632265faa509ad5622b78d77a.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

On Wed, April 2, 2025 8:44 am, Jones, Douglas W via GreenKeys wrote:
> From:?Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> -- Wednesday, April 2, 2025
6:43
> AM
>> https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/73505.html#more-73505
> This is brilliant stuff.  If anyone's curious, the first Bartlane US
Patent is 1,653,425.  It gives a bit more technical detail.  I added a
citation to it to Wikipedia's article on wirephotos, which already
mentioned the Bartlane system but with references only to secondary
sources that had no good citations.
>            Doug Jones

I agree, brilliant stuff! It seems like they could have done binary
encoding mechanically. On the transmit side, the exposure time for the
film plates would increase exponentially instead of linearly (ie, 1
second, 2 seconds, 4 seconds, etc.). On the receive side, they could
similarly vary the exposure time or could have the tape reader flip
neutral density filters into the light path, again binary weighted (50%,
25%, 12.5%, etc.).

I'm guessing there was no horizontal or vertical sync. The start of the
tape was the top of the image, and each line had a know number of pixels.

When in high school, I visited a local short wave listener who printed
news photos received over the air. He would wrap photographic film around
a drum and start the machine, then develop the film. Really nice high
quality photographs resulted.

Then in the 1970s, I maintained an Alden fax machine for an FAA flight
service station. The image was delivered over a phone line as FM audio. An
insulated drum with a metal helix on it provided horizontal scanning while
the paper feed motor provided vertical scanning. The soggy paper would
turn brown where current was passed through the paper. The helix motor was
driven by a synchronous motor driven by a divided down crystal oscillator.
At the beginning of each image were several lines of black with a short
pulses of white. When this sync signals was detected, the oscillator
divider would change to slow down the motor slightly until the white pulse
lined up with a sync detector (I think it was a microswitch) on the helix
drum. Then the divider would return the motor to normal speed, and the
rest of the image would be received.

It looks like the same system is still used to transmit weather maps on
HF. For example, right now I can use a KiwiSDR to see a weather map being
transmitted on 8457.1 MHz from Kodiak AK. I am using one of the KPH
KiwiSDRs at http://198.40.45.23:8073/ . On the right, select FAX as the
extension. In the pop up on the left, select a station in one of the
regions. I tried a bunch and got a good signal at Americas - Kodiak NO3 AK
- 8459. Attached is a screenshot. Note the white rectangle between images.
On the Alden machines, this would be skewed to the left until it ended up
on the left margin. Apparently a different sync position is used now since
the white rectangle is not on the left margin, and the following image
appears to be aligned correctly.

Fun stuff!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Wed Apr  2 13:50:36 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 12:50:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <40e22ef004fa91182ad1176ff0275550.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>
	<40e22ef004fa91182ad1176ff0275550.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <11C67E47-B7E8-4BD9-9EB4-DF91D684E377@xsmail.com>


On that note, I have a 15 that I?m willing to part with.  A lot of the inside wiring was gutted by a local ham who was the pioneering ARES manager for the county back in the day? from my understanding, he gutted it in a way so that he could receive weather bulletins over-the-air from the NWS (when they still provided Teletype over-the-air feeds, that is? or it may have been a MARS machine ? I?m still not sure which one of the two he had were which).  I have taken a spring or a key-top off of it over time (very restorable, depending on what you want to do with it ? and has a cover too), but I have no need for it and it?s just sitting in a closet right now in near-perfect shape otherwise!... needs a home!  Located in Nebraska.


> On Apr 2, 2025, at 11:43?AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Shipping this stuff is expensive! Is anyone planning a road trip that
> could transport stuff? Several years ago, I drove from Denver to the
> Dayton Hamfest and picked up equipment from Nick. Along with the equipment
> for me, I picked up several pieces of equipment that I dropped off in a
> couple states on my way back home.
> 
> Maybe along with posting equipment wanted and available here, we could
> post upcoming road trips.
> 
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org

From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 16:35:51 2025
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 15:35:51 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Volpes board ???
Message-ID: <748089026.1756523.1743626157964@yahoo.com>

So I know this is probably a rehash, but what is the volpes board watching as an input?? If I remember correctly it's watching the weather service?BowmanSent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From macbax1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 18:17:18 2025
From: macbax1 at gmail.com (Joe Clanin)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 17:17:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Volpes board ???
In-Reply-To: <748089026.1756523.1743626157964@yahoo.com>
References: <748089026.1756523.1743626157964@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAK1UwOZVSZMoOpfSM74OrHQPXJgD01wN_GvQMdBQ=Vb1=X-OBA@mail.gmail.com>

The demodulator board and the serial adapter are just interfaces. You can
feed them whatever you want via software.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 3:36?PM abowman89 via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> So I know this is probably a rehash, but what is the volpes board watching
> as an input?  If I remember correctly it's watching the weather service?
>
> Bowman
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 19:25:18 2025
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 18:25:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Volpes board ???
Message-ID: <50591137.2979622.1743638180579@yahoo.com>

I did a little digging.? I saw a YouTube video a year ago that was using a raspberry pi into a volpes board.??? ? ? ?It was using itty/wx off github which was the part I was trying to remember.? ? Id like to mess with it and figure it out now that I have two working machines.? ?? ? ? BowmanSent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Thu Apr  3 19:10:07 2025
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 23:10:07 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Widening a BRPE punch to 8 bits
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB0917344F087AC278F3804081A8AE2@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I've finished a big chunk of the work involved in widening a BRPE punch to 8 bits, as described in the log entry linked here (with photos):
-- https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2025.shtml#2025-04-03

The wires were all there waiting to be connected to the missing solenoids.  The linkages all move freely.  Of course, after I finish reassembly, I still need an 8-bit punch block, and I'm pretty sure I'll have to go over all of the adjustments, not to mention lubrication.

            Doug Jones

From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 22:32:36 2025
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 22:32:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Volpes board ???
In-Reply-To: <748089026.1756523.1743626157964@yahoo.com>
References: <748089026.1756523.1743626157964@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <218f2f58-666b-4d45-8457-8e03cfa37e64@gmail.com>

A Volpe board FSK audio demodulator fed with Raspberry Pi 3 and 
bluetooth are shown in short videos at the bottom of this page:

https://w1an.com/photos/equipment

A similar board version that fits into a Raspberry Pi 3 case as a HAT 
seems feasible which could include the loop driver. For Paz Pi 5 you may 
need to consider adding an i2s audio demodulator.

I have had some success using the Paz Pi 5 to output loop switching 
directly to the gpio pins, but other projects have put that on back burner.

Using the $3 bluetooth module will let you use your phone or the Pi.

Thanks to Ken WA4MNT for making his version of the Volpeboard available.

73, John W1AN

On 02-Apr-25 16:35, abowman89 via GreenKeys wrote:
> So I know this is probably a rehash, but what is the volpes board 
> watching as an input?? If I remember correctly it's watching the weather 
> service?
> 
> Bowman
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
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From wcprops at vt.edu  Fri Apr  4 14:15:39 2025
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 14:15:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CAFMEMPgUj3KnqYbuJwrKAaaULuWpp5PoH3-GjHYsdjnNDuwCvA@mail.gmail.com>

I looked around and couldn't find anything other than total weight listed.
I weighed my coverless 15 and it was around 90 lbs. Subtracting that from
the total weight of 120 puts the cover at about 30 lbs.

Chris
W4SVA

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025, 12:10?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> I remember seeing a document on Nick's site that listed weights for 15
> vintage equipment by component part. If I remember how to find it ....
> it was likely a military publication.
>
>
> On 4/2/2025 7:50 AM, William Props wrote:
> > Steve and Wayne,
> >
> > Unfortunately I won't be near the Atlanta or Colorado Springs area
> > anytime soon. Any idea what a cover weighs? If I can't find one
> > closer, I wonder if the weight would make shipping cost prohibitive?
> >
> > Chris
> > W4SVA
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 1, 2025, 5:36?PM <steve.n4tty at gmail.com
> > <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     William,
> >
> >     Where are you located? QRZ says VA.
> >
> >     I?m in the Atlanta area and if you?re coming my way I might be
> >     able to help you out!
> >
> >     Steve G./N4TTY
> >
> >     *From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >     <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> >     <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >     <mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> *On Behalf Of *William
> >     Props
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2025 11:08 AM
> >     *To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> >     *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
> >
> >     I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B,
> >     but I'm not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for
> >     any help.
> >
> >     Chris
> >
> >     W4SVA
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> >
> >>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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>
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>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Apr  4 16:36:18 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 20:36:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPgUj3KnqYbuJwrKAaaULuWpp5PoH3-GjHYsdjnNDuwCvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMEMPiG-cyepoFy-Q8HpeieO1-2NvG3xPbSS2qVUuyqZi2_Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<170401dba34e$28a23fe0$79e6bfa0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFMEMPhktcvR-Fqfgh71MZfopczSAxw3kHYDPd8ODEt2JeMfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab32d4b4-d2fc-c462-ca38-b2c0bb2f18fc@tapr.org>
	<CAFMEMPgUj3KnqYbuJwrKAaaULuWpp5PoH3-GjHYsdjnNDuwCvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19588296.1647584.1743798978058@mail.yahoo.com>

I pulled off a Model 15 cover & weighed on my not-so-accurate bathroom scales. It said 28-ish so that agrees pretty well with the calculated 30lbs.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 12:16:15 PM MDT, William Props <wcprops at vt.edu> wrote: 

I looked around and couldn't find anything other than total weight listed. I weighed my coverless 15 and it was around 90 lbs. Subtracting that from the total weight of 120 puts the cover at about 30 lbs.

Chris
W4SVA

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025, 12:10?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
> I remember seeing a document on Nick's site that listed weights for 15 
> vintage equipment by component part. If I remember how to find it ....? 
> it was likely a military publication.
> 
> 
> On 4/2/2025 7:50 AM, William Props wrote:
>> Steve and Wayne,
>>
>> Unfortunately I won't be near the Atlanta or Colorado Springs area 
>> anytime soon. Any idea what a cover weighs? If I can't find one 
>> closer, I wonder if the weight would make shipping cost prohibitive?
>>
>> Chris
>> W4SVA
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2025, 5:36?PM <steve.n4tty at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:steve.n4tty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>? ? ?William,
>>
>>? ? ?Where are you located? QRZ says VA.
>>
>>? ? ?I?m in the Atlanta area and if you?re coming my way I might be
>>? ? ?able to help you out!
>>
>>? ? ?Steve G./N4TTY
>>
>>? ? ?*From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>? ? ?<mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>? ? ?<greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>? ? ?<mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> *On Behalf Of *William
>>? ? ?Props
>>? ? ?*Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2025 11:08 AM
>>? ? ?*To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>? ? ?*Subject:* [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
>>
>>? ? ?I'm looking for a cover for my model 15. I believe it is a TG-7-B,
>>? ? ?but I'm not too worried about having the correct tags. Thanks for
>>? ? ?any help.
>>
>>? ? ?Chris
>>
>>? ? ?W4SVA

From bambi.page at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 16:36:12 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 06:36:12 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Darker Printing? Model 15 Restoration
Message-ID: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>

The restoration of the Model 15 is continuing.
I have looked and looked but I can't find out how to move the platten
to make darker printing. Could a member kindly tell me what
I am missing? Thank you - bambi in Australia

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Apr  4 21:28:27 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 01:28:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Darker Printing? Model 15 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2128086710.1697761.1743816507809@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm? not sure what you're seeing that would be fixed by moving the platen.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 05:41:52 PM MDT, bambi.page <bambi.page at gmail.com> wrote: 

The restoration of the Model 15 is continuing.
I have looked and looked but I can't find out how to move the platten
to make darker printing. Could a member kindly tell me what
I am missing? Thank you - bambi in Australia

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Apr  4 21:47:19 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 01:47:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Darker Printing? Model 15 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <CAATx=04DQx6BBNnRvqKNZBZ8cv-+zdQcHpe5Pbo-04ak24TfrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2128086710.1697761.1743816507809@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAATx=04DQx6BBNnRvqKNZBZ8cv-+zdQcHpe5Pbo-04ak24TfrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1689398956.1713016.1743817639949@mail.yahoo.com>

Usually light printing is a ribbon issue (dried out, etc.).? There's a platen adjustment to "center" the platen face with the typbar's pallets but that problem presents as characters being light at the top or bottom half of the characters.

It may be possible the typebars aren't whacking the ribbon & platen hard enough but there's no adjustment for that, I think.? The typebars may not be moving freely enough? But definitely check the ribbon condition.

Wayne

On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 07:36:35 PM MDT, bambi.page <bambi.page at gmail.com> wrote: 

Moving the platen(?), or keybasket(?) or if there is a printing darkness setting
Anything that is possible to make the characters more legible will help
Thanks


From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 22:04:56 2025
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:04:56 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Darker Printing? Model 15 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <1689398956.1713016.1743817639949@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2128086710.1697761.1743816507809@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAATx=04DQx6BBNnRvqKNZBZ8cv-+zdQcHpe5Pbo-04ak24TfrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1689398956.1713016.1743817639949@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7a58b8b6-91f6-4a16-bcb4-3b0a168ece61@gmail.com>

On a M15 there is an adjustment screw at the right end of the rail the 
basket rides to adjust tension on a large spring which I believe 
controls impact of the pallets. Might be used also to help when running 
two or three copy paper. Just guessing, but most likely you need a new 
ribbon.

73, John W1AN

On 04-Apr-25 21:47, hwhall--- via GreenKeys wrote:
> Usually light printing is a ribbon issue (dried out, etc.).? There's a platen adjustment to "center" the platen face with the typbar's pallets but that problem presents as characters being light at the top or bottom half of the characters.
> 
> It may be possible the typebars aren't whacking the ribbon & platen hard enough but there's no adjustment for that, I think.? The typebars may not be moving freely enough? But definitely check the ribbon condition.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 07:36:35 PM MDT, bambi.page <bambi.page at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Moving the platen(?), or keybasket(?) or if there is a printing darkness setting
> Anything that is possible to make the characters more legible will help
> Thanks
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Apr  4 22:19:52 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 02:19:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Darker Printing? Model 15 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <7a58b8b6-91f6-4a16-bcb4-3b0a168ece61@gmail.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2128086710.1697761.1743816507809@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAATx=04DQx6BBNnRvqKNZBZ8cv-+zdQcHpe5Pbo-04ak24TfrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1689398956.1713016.1743817639949@mail.yahoo.com>
	<7a58b8b6-91f6-4a16-bcb4-3b0a168ece61@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1018691909.1708742.1743819592202@mail.yahoo.com>

Probably don't need to mention but... be sure the ribbon spools are advancing as typing is going on.

Wayne

On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 08:05:22 PM MDT, John Spigel <w1an.dxusa at gmail.com> wrote: 

On a M15 there is an adjustment screw at the right end of the rail the 
basket rides to adjust tension on a large spring which I believe 
controls impact of the pallets. Might be used also to help when running 
two or three copy paper. Just guessing, but most likely you need a new 
ribbon.

73, John W1AN

On 04-Apr-25 21:47, hwhall--- via GreenKeys wrote:
> Usually light printing is a ribbon issue (dried out, etc.).? There's a platen adjustment to "center" the platen face with the typbar's pallets but that problem presents as characters being light at the top or bottom half of the characters.
> 
> It may be possible the typebars aren't whacking the ribbon & platen hard enough but there's no adjustment for that, I think.? The typebars may not be moving freely enough? But definitely check the ribbon condition.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Friday, April 4, 2025 at 07:36:35 PM MDT, bambi.page <bambi.page at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Moving the platen(?), or keybasket(?) or if there is a printing darkness setting
> Anything that is possible to make the characters more legible will help
> Thanks
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> 
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From bambi.page at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 21:36:08 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 11:36:08 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Darker Printing? Model 15 Restoration
In-Reply-To: <2128086710.1697761.1743816507809@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2128086710.1697761.1743816507809@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAATx=04DQx6BBNnRvqKNZBZ8cv-+zdQcHpe5Pbo-04ak24TfrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Moving the platen(?), or keybasket(?) or if there is a printing darkness setting
Anything that is possible to make the characters more legible will help
Thanks

From lfmarkley at gmail.com  Sat Apr  5 01:10:57 2025
From: lfmarkley at gmail.com (The Oracle)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 05:10:57 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 33 typewheel part number
Message-ID: <SJ0PR84MB19207FB4556C3B64CA8E3B3FFDA82@SJ0PR84MB1920.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

All,

I?m working on a 1977 era Teletype 33. Its typewheel has been damaged by the print hammer. I cant match it to any typewheel in the 1184b bulletin (from 1969).
Would anyone have an updated typewheel parts list?
Starting from what I?m calling home position.
1st row
M over E ! ? # $ % & ? \ . - , + * ( )
2nd row
@ A B C D E F G O N M L K J I H
3rd row
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ? < = > ; : 9 8
4th row
P Q R S T U V W ? ? [ / ] Z Y X

[cid:3d3b381f-b878-499c-b9eb-8a744ae07fe4]



Thank You,
Lynn F. Markley II
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sat Apr  5 12:44:52 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 11:44:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 33 typewheel part number
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR84MB19207FB4556C3B64CA8E3B3FFDA82@SJ0PR84MB1920.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SJ0PR84MB19207FB4556C3B64CA8E3B3FFDA82@SJ0PR84MB1920.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5aa093be-74be-f8c6-d59d-52cccf4a9c55@tapr.org>

My guess is 183599 based on page 27 of:


https://telecomarchive.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/docs/bsp-archive/574/574-122-800TC_I10.pdf


On 4/5/2025 12:10 AM, The Oracle wrote:
> All,
>
> I?m working on a 1977 era Teletype 33. Its typewheel has been damaged 
> by the print hammer. I cant match it to any typewheel in the 1184b 
> bulletin (from 1969).
> Would anyone have an updated typewheel parts list?
> Starting from what I?m calling home position.
> 1st row
> M over E ! ? # $ % & ? \ . - , + * ( )
> 2nd row
> @ A B C D E F G O N M L K J I H
> 3rd row
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ? < = > ; : 9 8
> 4th row
> P Q R S T U V W ? ? [ / ] Z Y X
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Lynn F. Markley II
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Sat Apr  5 15:33:22 2025
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype 33 typewheel part number
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From parrid at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  5 13:50:30 2025
From: parrid at hotmail.com (ian parr)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 17:50:30 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR33 - help identifying board & purpose
Message-ID: <GVXP192MB17100AC9D8C5F0482A7027DDD3A82@GVXP192MB1710.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello everyone.

So I'm still working on my ASR33 restoration and have had lots of great help so far.
I'm now trying to connect my unit to my computer with a full duplex (two loops) 20mA current loop connection.

I THINK my unit is actually configured for 60mA half duplex so want to change it.

I have looked at the change guide below:
https://deramp.com/downloads/mfe_archive/030-Terminals/Teletype/Model%2033/Kilobaud%20July%201977%20Inside%20the%20Amazing%20ASR%2033.pdf
deramp.com<https://deramp.com/downloads/mfe_archive/030-Terminals/Teletype/Model%2033/Kilobaud%20July%201977%20Inside%20the%20Amazing%20ASR%2033.pdf>
keep right on typing, but most of them continue on for years as long as liberally supplied with lubricating oil. Service manuals have lengthy
deramp.com

>From reading that article, it does seem my unit is wired for 60mA

BUT I I have this additional module installed and it has a connection to the purple wire on it (which would need to move to terminal 9 on the tagstrip.

Does anyone know what this relay unit of for please ? It has a 'Wallac 2557' marking on the rear/


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From bambi.page at gmail.com  Sat Apr  5 17:31:56 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:31:56 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATx=07UhP3OX9QHeYJ_B_7kGzuhxDqzm3hse4-saX3rHE6duw@mail.gmail.com>

I weighed my Model 15 (1964) and here are the details:
Model 15 TELETYPE (No Paper/Ribbon)
Part      Weight (kg)        Weight (Pounds)

Keyboard 6.50(kg)    14.33(Pounds)
Base Unit 14.05(kg)  30.97(Pounds)
Motor 7.00(kg)          15.43(Pounds)
Printer unit 12.25(kg) 27.01(Pounds)
Key Basket 2.40(kg) 5.29(Pounds)
Cover 12.35(kg)        27.23(Pounds)
Total 54.55(kg)        120.26(Pounds)

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Apr  6 19:09:43 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 23:09:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Cover
In-Reply-To: <CAATx=07UhP3OX9QHeYJ_B_7kGzuhxDqzm3hse4-saX3rHE6duw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAATx=072yMRtLvvA_QQvw9pzCrXqf1HkP39TPp=7A7eZhMZhuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATx=07UhP3OX9QHeYJ_B_7kGzuhxDqzm3hse4-saX3rHE6duw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <388995268.2042897.1743980983853@mail.yahoo.com>

Awesome! :-)

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Sunday, April 6, 2025 at 05:06:38 PM MDT, bambi.page <bambi.page at gmail.com> wrote: 

I weighed my Model 15 (1964) and here are the details:
Model 15 TELETYPE (No Paper/Ribbon)
Part? ? ? Weight (kg)? ? ? ? Weight (Pounds)

Keyboard 6.50(kg)? ? 14.33(Pounds)
Base Unit 14.05(kg)? 30.97(Pounds)
Motor 7.00(kg)? ? ? ? ? 15.43(Pounds)
Printer unit 12.25(kg) 27.01(Pounds)
Key Basket 2.40(kg) 5.29(Pounds)
Cover 12.35(kg)? ? ? ? 27.23(Pounds)
Total 54.55(kg)? ? ? ? 120.26(Pounds)

From misterebeam at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 07:48:34 2025
From: misterebeam at gmail.com (J Lucas)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 07:48:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dataspeed 40 keyboard
Message-ID: <CAP1h=b9h4C1rajTSrX-UEjMw-6GRwc_GuYTXvOaToOgdEfXSew@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning all,

I just acquired a Dataspeed 40 glass Teletype.  It's missing the keyboard.
The manual refers to it as Opcon.

Any chance anyone in the group has a spare keyboard?

Thanks,

John Lucas
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From rttyelectronics at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 15:35:11 2025
From: rttyelectronics at yahoo.com (paul cembura)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:35:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dataspeed 40 keyboard
In-Reply-To: <CAP1h=b9h4C1rajTSrX-UEjMw-6GRwc_GuYTXvOaToOgdEfXSew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP1h=b9h4C1rajTSrX-UEjMw-6GRwc_GuYTXvOaToOgdEfXSew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202517318.2081071.1744227311518@mail.yahoo.com>

 What particular Opcon are you looking for?Teletype made several different types.
mr_rtty

    On Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 04:49:21 AM PDT, J Lucas <misterebeam at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Good morning all,
I just acquired a Dataspeed 40 glass Teletype.? It's missing the keyboard.? The manual refers to it as Opcon.??
Any chance anyone in the group has a spare keyboard?
Thanks,
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From n9hrt at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr  9 17:34:34 2025
From: n9hrt at sbcglobal.net (JOHN MCCARTY)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 21:34:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dataspeed 40 keyboard
In-Reply-To: <202517318.2081071.1744227311518@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAP1h=b9h4C1rajTSrX-UEjMw-6GRwc_GuYTXvOaToOgdEfXSew@mail.gmail.com>
	<202517318.2081071.1744227311518@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1925205808.622307.1744234474424@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi John;
? We used to call them "Turtle Speed 40's". I wanted to find this keyboard before I spoke up. I have one that you can have.Don't remember where I got it. To Paul's point the label on the back says CODE and it the first blank space is 
stenciled 40K101 and the next space CAK.
?If this will work for you send me your address and I'll ship it out.
?I had a 40 for years here at home to read my email, long before working from home became a thing. Had it on apedestal with a 212 dial up and on another pedestal had a 132 column slave 40 printer using tractor feed paper.Gave the lash up to Don House for this collection. I always liked the feel of the mod 40 keyboard and the littleclicking noise as you typed. Very positive feel. I'm just glad it's going to a good home.

John McCartyDowners Grove, Il 

    On Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 03:14:35 PM CDT, paul cembura via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
  What particular Opcon are you looking for?Teletype made several different types.
mr_rtty

    On Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 04:49:21 AM PDT, J Lucas <misterebeam at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Good morning all,
I just acquired a Dataspeed 40 glass Teletype.? It's missing the keyboard.? The manual refers to it as Opcon.??
Any chance anyone in the group has a spare keyboard?
Thanks,
John Lucas______________________________________________________________
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From bambi.page at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 20:00:52 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 10:00:52 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Restoration - Character printing adjustment RQ
Message-ID: <CAATx=0538C8KrERf1ixpgso6BhH55Xf0ZBRrnkAM1kUtPaRivw@mail.gmail.com>

The Model 15 restoration is continuing...
Would members have suggestions about adjusting character placement?
Some characters are out of place vertically, and horizontally, as well as
some are faintly printed.
Print output image is here
https://gyazo.com/77b112c6a89ef8bdb7f422639c2848de
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Thu Apr 10 23:39:06 2025
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 03:39:06 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] BRPE feeds tape!
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB0917A957A1F8B36E847741B7A8B62@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I managed to get the BRPE I've been working on to feed tape, possibly for the first time this century.? I still need to get or make an 8-bit punch block, but the clatter of the mechanism feeding at 110 characters per second (and moving tape at 11 inches per second) is impressive.? I took a photo, see this log entry:
-- https://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2025.shtml#2025-04-10

That's my finger in the photo holding down the feed lever.  The linkage that does the tape feed has to be one of the most impressive kluges I've ever seen.  Quite a contrast to the very elegant knee-joint punch linkages of the machine.  Yes, there's a knee joint in the drive train for the feed ratchet, but everything beyond that joint is just a bit bizarre.

By the way, the BRPE patent is an interesting read:
-- https://patents.google.com/patent/US2675078A

It's interesting how the knee-joint mechanism is clearly documented in that patent, but by the time it got into the BRPE, they'd inverted the knee, added drag links, and added the eccentric bail.  (There's a second BRPE patent that is only used on early models, replaced by the magnet and inductive pickup for the timing pulse on later models.)

           Doug Jones

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Apr 11 00:21:13 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 04:21:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Restoration - Character printing
 adjustment RQ
In-Reply-To: <CAATx=0538C8KrERf1ixpgso6BhH55Xf0ZBRrnkAM1kUtPaRivw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAATx=0538C8KrERf1ixpgso6BhH55Xf0ZBRrnkAM1kUtPaRivw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1609793550.475690.1744345273073@mail.yahoo.com>

Consistent vertical spacing differences may be due to the pallets not aligned perfectly on the typebars. The X Y Z appear to be so. Give a close examination to the pallets in the type basket & see if some look a bit high or low compared to the others. I think some minor vertical errors were normal.

Horizontal spacing might also be a pallet problem but may also be the carriage itself is not spacing uniformly along the page. The F G gap is different in the 1st occurrence compared to the 2nd & may be carriage movement related.


Wayne
WB4OGM

On Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 08:56:25 AM MDT, bambi.page <bambi.page at gmail.com> wrote: 

The Model 15 restoration is continuing...
Would members have suggestions about adjusting character placement?
Some characters are out of place vertically, and horizontally, as well as
some are faintly printed.
Print output image is here
https://gyazo.com/77b112c6a89ef8bdb7f422639c2848de
Any suggestions welcome. Thank you

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 13:29:17 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 13:29:17 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - M15 platen cranks, M15 paper spindles,
	M15 handwheel
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdT=BXPXaAoSYQQUrUBU00bnUzpyPRt1qE_uOVTJCCnaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have accumulated three 80466 M15 platen cranks and two 117313 M15
adjustable paper spindles. Also one 74903 M15 mainshaft handwheel for
maintenance work (the one with left-hand threads)
I'm a M28 guy so have no need for these. Free to good home - you just pay
postage.

As usual, in the event of multiple requests, I'll make an arbitrary
decision about who gets what.
1) Extra points if you have helped me (and/or other Greenkeyers)
2) Extra points if you have a heartwarming/humorous/outrageous story about
why you want it.
3) zero points If you just say "I'll take it".
4) zero points for responding immediately - I'll wait several days so
everyone has a chance to check mail.

Offer void where prohibited by law, no purchase necessary, no warranty
express or implied, your mileage may vary, etc.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 14:09:08 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 13:09:08 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - M15 platen cranks, M15 paper spindles,
	M15 handwheel
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdT=BXPXaAoSYQQUrUBU00bnUzpyPRt1qE_uOVTJCCnaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Responding immediately: I will take it!

Serious note: Is anyone in the chicago area? I am hosting the Chicago
Computer Club next Saturday and would love some greenkeyers to join us.

-Eric

On Sun, Apr 13, 2025, 12:30?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have accumulated three 80466 M15 platen cranks and two 117313 M15
> adjustable paper spindles. Also one 74903 M15 mainshaft handwheel for
> maintenance work (the one with left-hand threads)
> I'm a M28 guy so have no need for these. Free to good home - you just pay
> postage.
>
> As usual, in the event of multiple requests, I'll make an arbitrary
> decision about who gets what.
> 1) Extra points if you have helped me (and/or other Greenkeyers)
> 2) Extra points if you have a heartwarming/humorous/outrageous story about
> why you want it.
> 3) zero points If you just say "I'll take it".
> 4) zero points for responding immediately - I'll wait several days so
> everyone has a chance to check mail.
>
> Offer void where prohibited by law, no purchase necessary, no warranty
> express or implied, your mileage may vary, etc.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Sat Apr 12 14:21:17 2025
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 18:21:17 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
Message-ID: <PH0PR12MB88218B23AA954FE2525ED7A1B5B12@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Many years ago, I got this as a gift from Jack K2TTY (formerly WA2HWJ) SK.

I think it is a model 37 tape printer (no perforation, iirc).
It seems to be a model "LP112TE" if I am reading it right.

New owner will be Peter, KB2VTL. Looks decent, oil still looks oily hihi.
Anyone own one of these who has it working?


73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos




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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 13 16:09:48 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 16:09:48 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB88218B23AA954FE2525ED7A1B5B12@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Eugene,

How does it print?
With a typewheel like a M28 reperf?

have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 4/12/2025 2:21 PM, W2HX wrote:
> Many years?ago, I got this as a gift?from Jack K2TTY (formerly WA2HWJ) 
> SK.
>
> I think it is a model 37 tape printer (no perforation, iirc).
> It seems to be a model "LP112TE" if I am reading it right.
>
> New owner will be Peter, KB2VTL. Looks decent, oil still looks oily hihi.
> Anyone own one of these who has it working?
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From til128 at juno.com  Sun Apr 13 16:20:44 2025
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 20:20:44 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
Message-ID: <20250413.162044.1150.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

For those that are interested, here is the parts list for the 28 stock ticker. https://www.virhistory.com/navy/manuals/tty/jh/ttyman7/TeletypeManuals/model28/1194b.pdf Tom T

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 16:09:48 -0400


Eugene,
 
 How does it print?
 With a typewheel like a M28 reperf?
 
 have fun,
 
 Duncan
 K2OEQ
 
 
On 4/12/2025 2:21 PM, W2HX wrote:Many years? ago, I got this as a gift? from Jack K2TTY (formerly WA2HWJ) SK.?  I think it is a model 37 tape printer (no perforation, iirc).? ? It seems to be a model "LP112TE" if I am reading it right. New owner will be Peter, KB2VTL. Looks decent, oil still looks oily hihi.Anyone own one of these who has it working?? 73 Eugene W2HX
 My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
? 
? 

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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 12:12:44 2025
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 14 14:08:15 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:08:15 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
In-Reply-To: <321231198.254698.1744647164052@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <20250413.162044.1150.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
	<321231198.254698.1744647164052@connect.xfinity.com>
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Wayne,

Yes, it was apparently 6-level, but not obvious why, as there are only 
64 slots in the type box.? Maybe the 6th bit was for LTRS/FIG shift, to 
speed things up?

Document 
https://www.virhistory.com/navy/manuals/tty/jh/bsps/bsp/570series/573-107-100TC.pdf 
gives some description.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 4/14/2025 12:12 PM, WAYNE wrote:
> Serviced some of these weekly while at Western Union in Springfield, 
> MA.? They had re-ink bottles for the ribbons.? I think they used a 6 
> level code, but not sure.
> I do remember the purple fingers I came home with.
> When I moved to Wichita, KS another tech serviced the older box style 
> tickers for commodities market.
> The Stock offices had Trans Lux or Trans Jet displays and I helped on 
> the service of those.
> The old gents that hung around the Stock offices all day were helpful 
> with diagnosing troubles.? I remember them wondering if the Dow Jones 
> would ever get to 2000.
> 73,
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Apr 14 14:32:09 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 11:32:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] stock ticker tty
In-Reply-To: <9fb1a1b2-0825-4d7e-a9b8-d7414216f470@earthlink.net>
References: <20250413.162044.1150.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
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	<9fb1a1b2-0825-4d7e-a9b8-d7414216f470@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <876188eeea99e1942354b557d61f6215.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Pretty amazing, especially the tape projector stuff. Looking at the
projected image, it appears that the FIGS/LTRS shift is done similar to a
model 14 where a platen pad is moved back and forth resulting in FIGS and
LTRS being offset from each other. So, the machine uses a 6 bit code at
135 baud. Should we make an AFSK internet feed to drive these machines?

Harold
https://w6iwi.org

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 15:03:00 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 15:03:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Correct link for manuals
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfPLon5sWqXMS1G9coii9CnTO8PvYtXSX5oAb65TBG4EA@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen a couple of posts linking to manuals on my web site using
virhistory.com/navy/manuals/*
That will work now but maybe not in the future!
Instead, please use
navy-radio.com/manuals/*

For the present, these are one and the same, but navy-radio.com might some
day move from where I created it within my pre-existing virhistory.com
site.
Thanks,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
For vintage sports car racing, see virhistory.com
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Fri Apr 18 15:16:46 2025
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 19:16:46 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] More BRPE progress: a schematic
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB0917F75000CAE25E2A1E3FDCA8BF2@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Googling around, I found some BRPE schematics that differed enough from each other that I decided I needed to do some reverse engineering on my BRPE before I tried to connect anything to it.

I've put a schematic up for my machine at:
-- https://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2025.shtml#2025-04-17

I included a drawing of the face of the Amphenol Micro Ribbon connector at the back of the machine giving the pinout -- and I took the time to measure the pulses from the electromagnetic pickup to figure out the polarity of the pulses (positive before negative or negative before positive), supposing that someone cares about that.

                Doug Jones

From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 15:21:01 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 14:21:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] More BRPE progress: a schematic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR04MB0917F75000CAE25E2A1E3FDCA8BF2@BN6PR04MB0917.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE1er5476hBjzMi13pR3PFG9y5irP=_KTzs5N9aN+=U78aEDbA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Doug, my fully operational 8 bit BRPE and encoder is packed in a
pelican case and ready to ship if it would be useful to you.

-Eric


On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:17?PM Jones, Douglas W via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Googling around, I found some BRPE schematics that differed enough from
> each other that I decided I needed to do some reverse engineering on my
> BRPE before I tried to connect anything to it.
>
> I've put a schematic up for my machine at:
> -- https://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/UI-8/log2025.shtml#2025-04-17
>
> I included a drawing of the face of the Amphenol Micro Ribbon connector at
> the back of the machine giving the pinout -- and I took the time to measure
> the pulses from the electromagnetic pickup to figure out the polarity of
> the pulses (positive before negative or negative before positive),
> supposing that someone cares about that.
>
>                 Doug Jones
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Fri Apr 18 15:46:38 2025
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 19:46:38 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  More BRPE progress: a schematic
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From:?Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> -- Friday, April 18, 2025 2:21 PM

> Hey Doug, my fully operational 8 bit BRPE and encoder is packed in a pelican case and ready to ship if it would be useful to you.

I'm a long way from needing a working BRPE.  We've got a 1965-vintage PDP8 that will eventually be able to drive the BRPE, but before that, we need to get the core memory working.  It hasn't worked at all until last Monday, when we got the first nonzero values out of memory that I've ever seen.

Once we get the core tuned up (we have the memory tuning instructions), the next order of business will be to toggle in simple programs from the front panel to see if the CPU basically works (we know a lot works because most of the data paths in the CPU are used when you toggle data into memory and then inspect it.

Once we get some simple programs running (like counting in binary), then we'll start trying to drive an ASR-33 at 110 baud, and only after we get that working will it be time to start working on the (significantly trashed) I/O option backplane that includes the paper-tape reader and punch controllers.  Only at that point will a working BRPE matter (we also have a Tally high-speed paper-tape reader).

Where the BRPE punch seems to be all about buckling knee-joint toggle linkages, the Tally Reader is all about differentials.  It has three of them, one driving each tape reel and one to drive the tape-advance sprocket wheel.  I photographed one of the Tally differentials to illustrate the Wikipedia page on differentials.

           Doug Jones

From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 15:52:53 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 14:52:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Re:  More BRPE progress: a schematic
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Well I have shipped this thing to MIT to support their whirlwind efforts,
and taken it to a couple VCFs. Happy to send it to any universities or VCF
attendees looking to display it running at their booth.

-Eric

On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:46?PM Jones, Douglas W <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
wrote:

> From: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> -- Friday, April 18, 2025 2:21
> PM
>
> > Hey Doug, my fully operational 8 bit BRPE and encoder is packed in a
> pelican case and ready to ship if it would be useful to you.
>
> I'm a long way from needing a working BRPE.  We've got a 1965-vintage PDP8
> that will eventually be able to drive the BRPE, but before that, we need to
> get the core memory working.  It hasn't worked at all until last Monday,
> when we got the first nonzero values out of memory that I've ever seen.
>
> Once we get the core tuned up (we have the memory tuning instructions),
> the next order of business will be to toggle in simple programs from the
> front panel to see if the CPU basically works (we know a lot works because
> most of the data paths in the CPU are used when you toggle data into memory
> and then inspect it.
>
> Once we get some simple programs running (like counting in binary), then
> we'll start trying to drive an ASR-33 at 110 baud, and only after we get
> that working will it be time to start working on the (significantly
> trashed) I/O option backplane that includes the paper-tape reader and punch
> controllers.  Only at that point will a working BRPE matter (we also have a
> Tally high-speed paper-tape reader).
>
> Where the BRPE punch seems to be all about buckling knee-joint toggle
> linkages, the Tally Reader is all about differentials.  It has three of
> them, one driving each tape reel and one to drive the tape-advance sprocket
> wheel.  I photographed one of the Tally differentials to illustrate the
> Wikipedia page on differentials.
>
>            Doug Jones
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From m38inmaine at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 16:16:33 2025
From: m38inmaine at gmail.com (MilComm Guy)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:16:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FS: UGC-74/B Nearfest Delivery
Message-ID: <CAGzJkdxbcFDM8nN+d8EFRd6xnHgv2J-dDiGLaaf_jRsC3Se-VQ@mail.gmail.com>

  Testing working with cables and front cover(not shown), I have used this
many times on the air, ready to go, delivery and loaded into your vehicle
at Nearfest NH.
$175
[image: DSCN0633.JPG]

Mark
K1HF
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 14:33:08 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 14:33:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long shot
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfX-u__kpPRCieu768wGcx6ZDH8ZBH+E_=yBrBDDa=1XA@mail.gmail.com>

This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
work - but not the keyboard.
A description and photos of the beast are at
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm

It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT diagnostics
except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the keyboard Z80 so
it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in. I believe that
the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on the keyboard says
PLEASE WAIT.
I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the built-in
test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard assembly" stage.

So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics that
I could borrow?
This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has accumulated.

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 19 19:16:42 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 19:16:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
	shot
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfX-u__kpPRCieu768wGcx6ZDH8ZBH+E_=yBrBDDa=1XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfX-u__kpPRCieu768wGcx6ZDH8ZBH+E_=yBrBDDa=1XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e70e0e13-d79e-4cb6-875c-2975689ff510@earthlink.net>

At 180 pounds (!), it is what the Navy would consider "portable" 
("anything that can be carried on a battleship").

The UGC-143 looks similar to the Space Shuttle teleprinter Curious Mark 
did a series on a few months ago - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihKMIVnbs
Initially, he refers? to it as a "Navy teletype", but later shows 
pictures of the AN/UGC-74 (which was more Army & Marine Corps)

A block diagram of the UGC-74 & UGC-143 would probably be pretty 
similar, but was there any connection between the two?? Or just two 
different manufacturers trying to solve the same problem?

Have fun,

Duncan,
K2OEQ


On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough 
> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear 
> to work - but not the keyboard.
> A description and photos of the beast are at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>
> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT 
> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the 
> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged 
> in. I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line 
> display on the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the 
> built-in test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard 
> assembly" stage.
>
> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics 
> that I could borrow?
> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has accumulated.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 19 20:17:31 2025
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 19:17:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
 shot
In-Reply-To: <e70e0e13-d79e-4cb6-875c-2975689ff510@earthlink.net>
References: <CAB55hNfX-u__kpPRCieu768wGcx6ZDH8ZBH+E_=yBrBDDa=1XA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm not authoritative on any of that, but you know the UGC-74 was made in
some different models.  Originally a line printer drum style of machine,
then going to dot matrix.

I think this started out as a project at Teletype in the 1950s, a drum
printer machine which at the time required a lot of thyratrons to make
it operate.  Teletype Corp. was supposesdly not interested in pursuing
the design so the Signal Corps turned to Kleinschmidt Laboratories.
Which developed a working printer but the Signal Corps had bought the
rights to make it and turned to other makers.  Kleinschmidt did have
a printer based on that technology in their catalog.

The original UGC-74 printers had a problem with the material chosen
for the paper feed rollers turning to goo.  So if you have one of those
it will take a lot of cleaning to get it to work, then replace the
roller material with rubber hose.  The later models with dot matrix
have the drawback of requiring an unobtainable ribbon cartridge.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From jeffg at junknet.net  Sun Apr 20 10:42:37 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 10:42:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
	shot
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 11:45:01 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 11:45:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
	shot
In-Reply-To: <77DBF2FA-1C4F-4791-86C7-D32EBFDCD52A@junknet.net>
References: <e70e0e13-d79e-4cb6-875c-2975689ff510@earthlink.net>
	<77DBF2FA-1C4F-4791-86C7-D32EBFDCD52A@junknet.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNc42=C0EVwCCLDcAJ2b2FxtWCvM42JXJQ=dOY4vdJYr0g@mail.gmail.com>

That ?180 lbs? may be an OCR mistake for ?130 lbs?.

For the ASR version which I have, the control unit is 28 lbs, the printer
61, the keyboard 11, and the mag tape 32 - so I hauled it from the garage
downstairs to my workbench one piece at a time. I don't have the mag tape
unit, which might be fun, but you can also edit and store messages via a
paper tape I/O port. If I can't figure out the keyboard, I suppose it will
just be a printer. At the least it is yet another interesting project.


Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:43?AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> I have a bunch of UGC-74s and at 100lbs their definition of portable was
> pushing it already.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 19, 2025, at 7:17?PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> ? At 180 pounds (!), it is what the Navy would consider "portable"
> ("anything that can be carried on a battleship").
>
> The UGC-143 looks similar to the Space Shuttle teleprinter Curious Mark
> did a series on a few months ago -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihKMIVnbs
> Initially, he refers  to it as a "Navy teletype", but later shows pictures
> of the AN/UGC-74 (which was more Army & Marine Corps)
>
> A block diagram of the UGC-74 & UGC-143 would probably be pretty similar,
> but was there any connection between the two?  Or just two different
> manufacturers trying to solve the same problem?
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan,
> K2OEQ
>
>
> On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
>
> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
> work - but not the keyboard.
> A description and photos of the beast are at
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>
> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT
> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the
> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in.
> I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on
> the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the built-in
> test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard assembly" stage.
>
> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics that
> I could borrow?
> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has accumulated.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
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From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:23:40 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
	shot
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The keyboard is attached via a DB37 (no documentation on what signal/power
is on there)
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1452.JPG

The keyboard processor board has two 5v regulators on it and its logic
chips seem to have +5 OK - I was hoping to find just a shorted tantalum
killing a power rail, but no such easy problem! (and the damn thing is
conformal coated so a pain to make measurements.)
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1460.JPG

It looks like the keyboard itself and the fluorescent character display are
standard commercial parts - they are connected to the processor board via
ribbon cables
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1461.JPG

Access is via the bottom of the keyboard so it is pretty awkward - I may
make an extender cable so I can more easily probe things.
First I will look at the Z80 to see if it active (I think it must be
because during power-on the character display gets initialized and then it
says "PLEASE WAIT". Then the printer finishes its power-on sequence and
prints "READY", but the BIT status code says "keyboard not installed",
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1463.JPG
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1465.JPG

Then I will look at the TX and RX lines on the keyboard USART that talk to
a USART in the control unit.
There must be some attempted handshake during power-up BIT because the BIT
status at that point says "keyboard not installed". And thereafter the
internal software thinks this is an RO with no keyboard.....

But I got no flow diagram or much about how the controller, keyboard, and
printer microprocessors actually interact, other than that they use serial
links.
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/message-generation-01.jpg

-----------------
Keyboard unit A3
applies serial data directly to backplane interface A2A1A3A1, backplane
A2A1A1, I/O connector assembly
A2A1A2 and I/O connector assembly A1A4 to the receiver section of a USART
on port card A1A2A1 of electronic
control unit A1. The electronic control unit A1 USART converts the data
back to parallel form for processing
by the IOC microprocessor and storage in the dual port RAM of DSC A1A2A3.
Based upon receipt of
KYBD ONLINE data in the dual port RAM, the storage control functional group
( paragraph 3-4) develops
appropriate control signals. Control signals are sent back to keyboard unit
A3 by reversing the path followed by
the KYBD ONLINE data except for the substitution of USART transmitter
section for receiver sections and
receiver sections for transmitter sections. Character keys typed by the
operator, thereafter, follow the same path
as the KYBD ONLINE data to be stored in the DSC dual port RAM. The control
microprocessor on the DSC
(figure FO-5-3) transfers data in the DSC dual port RAM into the print and
communications lists of the buffer
memory. From that point keyboard originated characters are transferred to
the print and transmit buffers in the
dual port RAM for routing to the message print and message transmit
function circuits.
------------------

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:44?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Id start by seeing if the keyboard port has any dc rails to it. Is it a
> db9?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 20, 2025, at 11:45?AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> That ?180 lbs? may be an OCR mistake for ?130 lbs?.
>
> For the ASR version which I have, the control unit is 28 lbs, the printer
> 61, the keyboard 11, and the mag tape 32 - so I hauled it from the garage
> downstairs to my workbench one piece at a time. I don't have the mag tape
> unit, which might be fun, but you can also edit and store messages via a
> paper tape I/O port. If I can't figure out the keyboard, I suppose it will
> just be a printer. At the least it is yet another interesting project.
>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:43?AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a bunch of UGC-74s and at 100lbs their definition of portable was
>> pushing it already.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2025, at 7:17?PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? At 180 pounds (!), it is what the Navy would consider "portable"
>> ("anything that can be carried on a battleship").
>>
>> The UGC-143 looks similar to the Space Shuttle teleprinter Curious Mark
>> did a series on a few months ago -
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihKMIVnbs
>> Initially, he refers  to it as a "Navy teletype", but later shows
>> pictures of the AN/UGC-74 (which was more Army & Marine Corps)
>>
>> A block diagram of the UGC-74 & UGC-143 would probably be pretty similar,
>> but was there any connection between the two?  Or just two different
>> manufacturers trying to solve the same problem?
>>
>> Have fun,
>>
>> Duncan,
>> K2OEQ
>>
>>
>> On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>
>> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
>> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
>> work - but not the keyboard.
>> A description and photos of the beast are at
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>>
>> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT
>> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the
>> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in.
>> I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on
>> the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
>> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the built-in
>> test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard assembly" stage.
>>
>> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics
>> that I could borrow?
>> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has accumulated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 13:48:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
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DB-37, ever a DD-50?

I just saw a TTY33 ASR yesterday with a DD-50 we were puzzling over.

Maybe it was a DB-37 and we mis-counted, Chuck is on the list and can say.

-Eric


On Sun, Apr 20, 2025, 1:24?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> The keyboard is attached via a DB37 (no documentation on what signal/power
> is on there)
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1452.JPG
>
> The keyboard processor board has two 5v regulators on it and its logic
> chips seem to have +5 OK - I was hoping to find just a shorted tantalum
> killing a power rail, but no such easy problem! (and the damn thing is
> conformal coated so a pain to make measurements.)
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1460.JPG
>
> It looks like the keyboard itself and the fluorescent character display
> are standard commercial parts - they are connected to the processor board
> via ribbon cables
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1461.JPG
>
> Access is via the bottom of the keyboard so it is pretty awkward - I may
> make an extender cable so I can more easily probe things.
> First I will look at the Z80 to see if it active (I think it must be
> because during power-on the character display gets initialized and then it
> says "PLEASE WAIT". Then the printer finishes its power-on sequence and
> prints "READY", but the BIT status code says "keyboard not installed",
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1463.JPG
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1465.JPG
>
> Then I will look at the TX and RX lines on the keyboard USART that talk to
> a USART in the control unit.
> There must be some attempted handshake during power-up BIT because the BIT
> status at that point says "keyboard not installed". And thereafter the
> internal software thinks this is an RO with no keyboard.....
>
> But I got no flow diagram or much about how the controller, keyboard, and
> printer microprocessors actually interact, other than that they use serial
> links.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/message-generation-01.jpg
>
> -----------------
> Keyboard unit A3
> applies serial data directly to backplane interface A2A1A3A1, backplane
> A2A1A1, I/O connector assembly
> A2A1A2 and I/O connector assembly A1A4 to the receiver section of a USART
> on port card A1A2A1 of electronic
> control unit A1. The electronic control unit A1 USART converts the data
> back to parallel form for processing
> by the IOC microprocessor and storage in the dual port RAM of DSC A1A2A3.
> Based upon receipt of
> KYBD ONLINE data in the dual port RAM, the storage control functional
> group ( paragraph 3-4) develops
> appropriate control signals. Control signals are sent back to keyboard
> unit A3 by reversing the path followed by
> the KYBD ONLINE data except for the substitution of USART transmitter
> section for receiver sections and
> receiver sections for transmitter sections. Character keys typed by the
> operator, thereafter, follow the same path
> as the KYBD ONLINE data to be stored in the DSC dual port RAM. The control
> microprocessor on the DSC
> (figure FO-5-3) transfers data in the DSC dual port RAM into the print and
> communications lists of the buffer
> memory. From that point keyboard originated characters are transferred to
> the print and transmit buffers in the
> dual port RAM for routing to the message print and message transmit
> function circuits.
> ------------------
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:44?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>
>> Id start by seeing if the keyboard port has any dc rails to it. Is it a
>> db9?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2025, at 11:45?AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> That ?180 lbs? may be an OCR mistake for ?130 lbs?.
>>
>> For the ASR version which I have, the control unit is 28 lbs, the printer
>> 61, the keyboard 11, and the mag tape 32 - so I hauled it from the garage
>> downstairs to my workbench one piece at a time. I don't have the mag tape
>> unit, which might be fun, but you can also edit and store messages via a
>> paper tape I/O port. If I can't figure out the keyboard, I suppose it will
>> just be a printer. At the least it is yet another interesting project.
>>
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:43?AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a bunch of UGC-74s and at 100lbs their definition of portable was
>>> pushing it already.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2025, at 7:17?PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? At 180 pounds (!), it is what the Navy would consider "portable"
>>> ("anything that can be carried on a battleship").
>>>
>>> The UGC-143 looks similar to the Space Shuttle teleprinter Curious Mark
>>> did a series on a few months ago -
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihKMIVnbs
>>> Initially, he refers  to it as a "Navy teletype", but later shows
>>> pictures of the AN/UGC-74 (which was more Army & Marine Corps)
>>>
>>> A block diagram of the UGC-74 & UGC-143 would probably be pretty
>>> similar, but was there any connection between the two?  Or just two
>>> different manufacturers trying to solve the same problem?
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>>
>>> Duncan,
>>> K2OEQ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
>>> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
>>> work - but not the keyboard.
>>> A description and photos of the beast are at
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>>>
>>> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT
>>> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the
>>> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in.
>>> I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on
>>> the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
>>> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the built-in
>>> test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard assembly" stage.
>>>
>>> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics
>>> that I could borrow?
>>> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has
>>> accumulated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:05:25 -0500
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Ah no this was 3 rows.



On Sun, Apr 20, 2025, 1:59?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Heres a DB37, just bought this for an HP Protocol analyzer.
>
> amazon.com
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9PXW69?ref_=icdp_ba_mweb_mb_pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&clientRefMarker=pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&heartsTeamIdentifier=buyagain&psc=1&heartDisabled=true>
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9PXW69?ref_=icdp_ba_mweb_mb_pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&clientRefMarker=pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&heartsTeamIdentifier=buyagain&psc=1&heartDisabled=true>
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9PXW69?ref_=icdp_ba_mweb_mb_pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&clientRefMarker=pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&heartsTeamIdentifier=buyagain&psc=1&heartDisabled=true>
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 20, 2025, at 2:48?PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> DB-37, ever a DD-50?
>
> I just saw a TTY33 ASR yesterday with a DD-50 we were puzzling over.
>
> Maybe it was a DB-37 and we mis-counted, Chuck is on the list and can say.
>
> -Eric
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025, 1:24?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The keyboard is attached via a DB37 (no documentation on what
>> signal/power is on there)
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1452.JPG
>>
>> The keyboard processor board has two 5v regulators on it and its logic
>> chips seem to have +5 OK - I was hoping to find just a shorted tantalum
>> killing a power rail, but no such easy problem! (and the damn thing is
>> conformal coated so a pain to make measurements.)
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1460.JPG
>>
>> It looks like the keyboard itself and the fluorescent character display
>> are standard commercial parts - they are connected to the processor board
>> via ribbon cables
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1461.JPG
>>
>> Access is via the bottom of the keyboard so it is pretty awkward - I may
>> make an extender cable so I can more easily probe things.
>> First I will look at the Z80 to see if it active (I think it must be
>> because during power-on the character display gets initialized and then it
>> says "PLEASE WAIT". Then the printer finishes its power-on sequence and
>> prints "READY", but the BIT status code says "keyboard not installed",
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1463.JPG
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1465.JPG
>>
>> Then I will look at the TX and RX lines on the keyboard USART that talk
>> to a USART in the control unit.
>> There must be some attempted handshake during power-up BIT because the
>> BIT status at that point says "keyboard not installed". And thereafter the
>> internal software thinks this is an RO with no keyboard.....
>>
>> But I got no flow diagram or much about how the controller, keyboard, and
>> printer microprocessors actually interact, other than that they use serial
>> links.
>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/message-generation-01.jpg
>>
>> -----------------
>> Keyboard unit A3
>> applies serial data directly to backplane interface A2A1A3A1, backplane
>> A2A1A1, I/O connector assembly
>> A2A1A2 and I/O connector assembly A1A4 to the receiver section of a USART
>> on port card A1A2A1 of electronic
>> control unit A1. The electronic control unit A1 USART converts the data
>> back to parallel form for processing
>> by the IOC microprocessor and storage in the dual port RAM of DSC A1A2A3.
>> Based upon receipt of
>> KYBD ONLINE data in the dual port RAM, the storage control functional
>> group ( paragraph 3-4) develops
>> appropriate control signals. Control signals are sent back to keyboard
>> unit A3 by reversing the path followed by
>> the KYBD ONLINE data except for the substitution of USART transmitter
>> section for receiver sections and
>> receiver sections for transmitter sections. Character keys typed by the
>> operator, thereafter, follow the same path
>> as the KYBD ONLINE data to be stored in the DSC dual port RAM. The
>> control microprocessor on the DSC
>> (figure FO-5-3) transfers data in the DSC dual port RAM into the print
>> and communications lists of the buffer
>> memory. From that point keyboard originated characters are transferred to
>> the print and transmit buffers in the
>> dual port RAM for routing to the message print and message transmit
>> function circuits.
>> ------------------
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:44?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Id start by seeing if the keyboard port has any dc rails to it. Is it a
>>> db9?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2025, at 11:45?AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> That ?180 lbs? may be an OCR mistake for ?130 lbs?.
>>>
>>> For the ASR version which I have, the control unit is 28 lbs, the
>>> printer 61, the keyboard 11, and the mag tape 32 - so I hauled it from the
>>> garage downstairs to my workbench one piece at a time. I don't have the mag
>>> tape unit, which might be fun, but you can also edit and store messages via
>>> a paper tape I/O port. If I can't figure out the keyboard, I suppose it
>>> will just be a printer. At the least it is yet another interesting project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:43?AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a bunch of UGC-74s and at 100lbs their definition of portable
>>>> was pushing it already.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 19, 2025, at 7:17?PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? At 180 pounds (!), it is what the Navy would consider "portable"
>>>> ("anything that can be carried on a battleship").
>>>>
>>>> The UGC-143 looks similar to the Space Shuttle teleprinter Curious Mark
>>>> did a series on a few months ago -
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihKMIVnbs
>>>> Initially, he refers  to it as a "Navy teletype", but later shows
>>>> pictures of the AN/UGC-74 (which was more Army & Marine Corps)
>>>>
>>>> A block diagram of the UGC-74 & UGC-143 would probably be pretty
>>>> similar, but was there any connection between the two?  Or just two
>>>> different manufacturers trying to solve the same problem?
>>>>
>>>> Have fun,
>>>>
>>>> Duncan,
>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
>>>> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
>>>> work - but not the keyboard.
>>>> A description and photos of the beast are at
>>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>>>>
>>>> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT
>>>> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the
>>>> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in.
>>>> I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on
>>>> the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
>>>> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the
>>>> built-in test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard
>>>> assembly" stage.
>>>>
>>>> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics
>>>> that I could borrow?
>>>> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has
>>>> accumulated.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 17:01:24 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
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From chuck at rehor.com  Sun Apr 20 17:06:58 2025
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 16:06:58 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
	shot
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For my ASR33, it has a DB50m, but there are only 24 pins, and the rest are
missing pins altogether.

I got the Teletype from Tom Kleinschmidt?s friend, Dan, about 1.5 years
ago.  He said he had it connected serially to a computer before but
couldn?t remember anything about the interface. I have no idea what to do
about interfacing it to a modern-day RS-232 9- or 25-pin interface.

Thanks, again, Eric for your expertise in getting my M33 a few steps closer
to working. I was amazed at how stuck many of those rods and keys could be,
and what it takes to unstick them. I still have a long way to go (keys are
still stuck and the ?marriage? is completely locked up) but thanks to you,
I?m finally able to see there?s light at the end of the tunnel (and it
isn?t a freight train)!

Chuck
W9CFR


On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 2:06?PM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah no this was 3 rows.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025, 1:59?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>
>> Heres a DB37, just bought this for an HP Protocol analyzer.
>>
>> amazon.com
>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9PXW69?ref_=icdp_ba_mweb_mb_pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&clientRefMarker=pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&heartsTeamIdentifier=buyagain&psc=1&heartDisabled=true>
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9PXW69?ref_=icdp_ba_mweb_mb_pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&clientRefMarker=pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&heartsTeamIdentifier=buyagain&psc=1&heartDisabled=true>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z9PXW69?ref_=icdp_ba_mweb_mb_pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&clientRefMarker=pd_bap_m_grid_rp_0_4_gf&heartsTeamIdentifier=buyagain&psc=1&heartDisabled=true>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2025, at 2:48?PM, Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> DB-37, ever a DD-50?
>>
>> I just saw a TTY33 ASR yesterday with a DD-50 we were puzzling over.
>>
>> Maybe it was a DB-37 and we mis-counted, Chuck is on the list and can say.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025, 1:24?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The keyboard is attached via a DB37 (no documentation on what
>>> signal/power is on there)
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1452.JPG
>>>
>>> The keyboard processor board has two 5v regulators on it and its logic
>>> chips seem to have +5 OK - I was hoping to find just a shorted tantalum
>>> killing a power rail, but no such easy problem! (and the damn thing is
>>> conformal coated so a pain to make measurements.)
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1460.JPG
>>>
>>> It looks like the keyboard itself and the fluorescent character display
>>> are standard commercial parts - they are connected to the processor board
>>> via ribbon cables
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1461.JPG
>>>
>>> Access is via the bottom of the keyboard so it is pretty awkward - I may
>>> make an extender cable so I can more easily probe things.
>>> First I will look at the Z80 to see if it active (I think it must be
>>> because during power-on the character display gets initialized and then it
>>> says "PLEASE WAIT". Then the printer finishes its power-on sequence and
>>> prints "READY", but the BIT status code says "keyboard not installed",
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1463.JPG
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1465.JPG
>>>
>>> Then I will look at the TX and RX lines on the keyboard USART that talk
>>> to a USART in the control unit.
>>> There must be some attempted handshake during power-up BIT because the
>>> BIT status at that point says "keyboard not installed". And thereafter the
>>> internal software thinks this is an RO with no keyboard.....
>>>
>>> But I got no flow diagram or much about how the controller, keyboard,
>>> and printer microprocessors actually interact, other than that they use
>>> serial links.
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/message-generation-01.jpg
>>>
>>> -----------------
>>> Keyboard unit A3
>>> applies serial data directly to backplane interface A2A1A3A1, backplane
>>> A2A1A1, I/O connector assembly
>>> A2A1A2 and I/O connector assembly A1A4 to the receiver section of a
>>> USART on port card A1A2A1 of electronic
>>> control unit A1. The electronic control unit A1 USART converts the data
>>> back to parallel form for processing
>>> by the IOC microprocessor and storage in the dual port RAM of DSC
>>> A1A2A3. Based upon receipt of
>>> KYBD ONLINE data in the dual port RAM, the storage control functional
>>> group ( paragraph 3-4) develops
>>> appropriate control signals. Control signals are sent back to keyboard
>>> unit A3 by reversing the path followed by
>>> the KYBD ONLINE data except for the substitution of USART transmitter
>>> section for receiver sections and
>>> receiver sections for transmitter sections. Character keys typed by the
>>> operator, thereafter, follow the same path
>>> as the KYBD ONLINE data to be stored in the DSC dual port RAM. The
>>> control microprocessor on the DSC
>>> (figure FO-5-3) transfers data in the DSC dual port RAM into the print
>>> and communications lists of the buffer
>>> memory. From that point keyboard originated characters are transferred
>>> to the print and transmit buffers in the
>>> dual port RAM for routing to the message print and message transmit
>>> function circuits.
>>> ------------------
>>>
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:44?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Id start by seeing if the keyboard port has any dc rails to it. Is it a
>>>> db9?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 20, 2025, at 11:45?AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> That ?180 lbs? may be an OCR mistake for ?130 lbs?.
>>>>
>>>> For the ASR version which I have, the control unit is 28 lbs, the
>>>> printer 61, the keyboard 11, and the mag tape 32 - so I hauled it from the
>>>> garage downstairs to my workbench one piece at a time. I don't have the mag
>>>> tape unit, which might be fun, but you can also edit and store messages via
>>>> a paper tape I/O port. If I can't figure out the keyboard, I suppose it
>>>> will just be a printer. At the least it is yet another interesting project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:43?AM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a bunch of UGC-74s and at 100lbs their definition of portable
>>>>> was pushing it already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2025, at 7:17?PM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ? At 180 pounds (!), it is what the Navy would consider "portable"
>>>>> ("anything that can be carried on a battleship").
>>>>>
>>>>> The UGC-143 looks similar to the Space Shuttle teleprinter Curious
>>>>> Mark did a series on a few months ago -
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihKMIVnbs
>>>>> Initially, he refers  to it as a "Navy teletype", but later shows
>>>>> pictures of the AN/UGC-74 (which was more Army & Marine Corps)
>>>>>
>>>>> A block diagram of the UGC-74 & UGC-143 would probably be pretty
>>>>> similar, but was there any connection between the two?  Or just two
>>>>> different manufacturers trying to solve the same problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have fun,
>>>>>
>>>>> Duncan,
>>>>> K2OEQ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
>>>>> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
>>>>> work - but not the keyboard.
>>>>> A description and photos of the beast are at
>>>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT
>>>>> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the
>>>>> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in.
>>>>> I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on
>>>>> the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
>>>>> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the
>>>>> built-in test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard
>>>>> assembly" stage.
>>>>>
>>>>> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics
>>>>> that I could borrow?
>>>>> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has
>>>>> accumulated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>>>
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From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sun Apr 20 18:12:10 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 22:12:10 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] R.T.T.Y. Electronics old price list
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  Something I dug up, 'processing' a huge load of Stuff from the estate of a (well-known to this group) SK.   Dunno the date; it's pre-internet though.

Paul Cembura might shed a Nostalgic Tear....


Cheerz
John KB6SCO
Carson City NV
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From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sun Apr 20 18:22:33 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 22:22:33 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] BELL Mod 33 Card dialer 1 of 3
Message-ID: <CH3PR19MB79296BE927375885B46C0A6ED8B92@CH3PR19MB7929.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>


  I have a BELL ASR 33 with a card-dialer and corresponding electronics. It also has many cards, some used, and a box of "fresh" ones, I have not done much with it, tho the Print Cylinder is in good shape and the hammer still intact.

I was intending to remove all the BELL Stuff, install a UCC-6 (I bought a DeRamp IO card for it already) and use the Machine with a couple of DEC PDP emulators (A PiDP 11 and soon a PiDP 10).

NOW; therefore: is anyone interested in the Bell System Card-dialer, etc? It would be Free To Good Home -

OR: Anyone just wanna trade this for a (reasonably) working ASR 33? Doesn't even have to be on a pedestal...

ELSE: "scrap" which pains me but sometimes ya gotta do things...

Lemme know off-list por favor.

I'm sending several posts so as not to have huge attachments

Cheers
John KB6SCO
Carson City, NV
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From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sun Apr 20 18:23:43 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 22:23:43 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] BELL 33 card dialer 2 of 3
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From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sun Apr 20 18:24:34 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 22:24:34 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] BELL 33 card dialer pix 3 of 3
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From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sun Apr 20 19:05:17 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 23:05:17 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Bell 33 Stuff spoken for
Message-ID: <CH3PR19MB792910D0C4108FE4EEE79251D8B92@CH3PR19MB7929.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>


Damn - that took an interminable 10 long minutes...

HIHI

The Card Dialer/Modem/Line unit is going to a Good Home; I'm keeping the 33 and making it into a 20mA I/O machine.

Thanks to everyone who responded!


Cheerz
John

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 09:56:19 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 09:56:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-143A teleprinter info/parts wanted - long
	shot
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeQepnjwo=687crs8iEAtAeXsoG6SzdDUDqjQPWR2ZcSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNc42=C0EVwCCLDcAJ2b2FxtWCvM42JXJQ=dOY4vdJYr0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB3D8735-39DD-4867-ADF0-BD9A4FE9FFFC@junknet.net>
	<CAB55hNeQepnjwo=687crs8iEAtAeXsoG6SzdDUDqjQPWR2ZcSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeHmnMdnm7mwQRjha7RooNmwpFbnHzjruATRZt5AGBcwg@mail.gmail.com>

Progress report! -
I managed to trace some wires from the keyboard through the printer chassis
and into the control unit.
I found one flaky connection was the "keyboard attached" line, so I added
some shims under the DB37 where the keyboard plugs into the printer
chassis.
Et Voila! The boot-up process now recognizes the keyboard.

I can type on the keyboard and print letters (a process involving four
Z80s, shared memory, and four USARTs).
But I can only type W,E,Y,U,X,C,N,3,4,7,8, space, and LF - now to figure
out where the missing letters are going astray - I suspect they are hiding
inside the keyboard.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 2:23?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> The keyboard is attached via a DB37 (no documentation on what signal/power
> is on there)
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1452.JPG
>
> The keyboard processor board has two 5v regulators on it and its logic
> chips seem to have +5 OK - I was hoping to find just a shorted tantalum
> killing a power rail, but no such easy problem! (and the damn thing is
> conformal coated so a pain to make measurements.)
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1460.JPG
>
> It looks like the keyboard itself and the fluorescent character display
> are standard commercial parts - they are connected to the processor board
> via ribbon cables
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1461.JPG
>
> Access is via the bottom of the keyboard so it is pretty awkward - I may
> make an extender cable so I can more easily probe things.
> First I will look at the Z80 to see if it active (I think it must be
> because during power-on the character display gets initialized and then it
> says "PLEASE WAIT". Then the printer finishes its power-on sequence and
> prints "READY", but the BIT status code says "keyboard not installed",
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1463.JPG
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/IMG_1465.JPG
>
> Then I will look at the TX and RX lines on the keyboard USART that talk to
> a USART in the control unit.
> There must be some attempted handshake during power-up BIT because the BIT
> status at that point says "keyboard not installed". And thereafter the
> internal software thinks this is an RO with no keyboard.....
>
> But I got no flow diagram or much about how the controller, keyboard, and
> printer microprocessors actually interact, other than that they use serial
> links.
> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143/message-generation-01.jpg
>
> -----------------
> Keyboard unit A3
> applies serial data directly to backplane interface A2A1A3A1, backplane
> A2A1A1, I/O connector assembly
> A2A1A2 and I/O connector assembly A1A4 to the receiver section of a USART
> on port card A1A2A1 of electronic
> control unit A1. The electronic control unit A1 USART converts the data
> back to parallel form for processing
> by the IOC microprocessor and storage in the dual port RAM of DSC A1A2A3.
> Based upon receipt of
> KYBD ONLINE data in the dual port RAM, the storage control functional
> group ( paragraph 3-4) develops
> appropriate control signals. Control signals are sent back to keyboard
> unit A3 by reversing the path followed by
> the KYBD ONLINE data except for the substitution of USART transmitter
> section for receiver sections and
> receiver sections for transmitter sections. Character keys typed by the
> operator, thereafter, follow the same path
> as the KYBD ONLINE data to be stored in the DSC dual port RAM. The control
> microprocessor on the DSC
> (figure FO-5-3) transfers data in the DSC dual port RAM into the print and
> communications lists of the buffer
> memory. From that point keyboard originated characters are transferred to
> the print and transmit buffers in the
> dual port RAM for routing to the message print and message transmit
> function circuits.
> ------------------
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
> On 4/19/2025 2:33 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a circa 1988 machine I am trying to revive with not enough
>>> technical info. To my surprise the control unit and the printer appear to
>>> work - but not the keyboard.
>>> A description and photos of the beast are at
>>> http://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc143a.htm
>>>
>>> It, of course, uses multiple microprocessors - It will pass BIT
>>> diagnostics except that evidently the printer Z80 isn't talking to the
>>> keyboard Z80 so it doesn't think that the keyboard is actually plugged in.
>>> I believe that the keyboard Z80 is alive because the one-line display on
>>> the keyboard says PLEASE WAIT.
>>> I have an operation and troubleshooting manual which covers the built-in
>>> test routines, but that stops at the "replace the keyboard assembly" stage.
>>>
>>> So does anyone have a spare keyboard or a tech manual with schematics
>>> that I could borrow?
>>> This is a very long shot, but you never know what someone has
>>> accumulated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com
>>>
>>>
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From bambi.page at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 17:53:27 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 07:53:27 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Restoration UPDATE
Message-ID: <CAATx=06-4MO9LC=wdr1Z-Tz2M2wr1a=qqOX8yMci2XeVM7j98w@mail.gmail.com>

1. The keybasket and the characters are better aligned than they were
but there is still room for improvement.
I placed the keybasket from a TT-19 on the unit to see if any keys
were better aligned...one was  the 'Z'.
So that was moved to the TT-15 basket.
A better ribbon has increased the contrast.

2. The good news is that the unit was used for a live 'chat' with
another owner of a TT-15 located some 70km [44miles] distant.
Probably the first time being online for this unit in 55 years. We
used the I-TELEX network.

3. One hurdle that had me stumped for a while was that the unit was
running at 50 baud (67 WPM) and not the 45.45 (60 WPM) I had first
thought.
The governed motor has a speed of 2,100RPM on the ID plate and would
seem to be running at about 2,410RPM according to a stroboscope.
(I do not have the tuning fork).

4. There is some more detailed video work to do, (I am making a video
of the restoration) and then this one should be completed.
The next project is a Model 14 typing reperforator...

-byes- bambi in Australia
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From cdlale63 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 26 15:39:27 2025
From: cdlale63 at yahoo.com (Cecil Lale)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
References: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have any pics of the roll paper assy/chute for the model 26? I am trying to build one for my 26 to use the full size roll. I don't have the original table.ThanksCecilKF6ZOK
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 16:10:05 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 16:10:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
In-Reply-To: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<902735849.2179355.1745696367426@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54cf7260-a699-40d0-a673-2e7dd7cb6d5d@earthlink.net>

Cecil,

Are you looking for the paper guide that attaches to the rear of the 
platen assy?

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 4/26/2025 3:39 PM, Cecil Lale via GreenKeys wrote:
> Does anyone have any pics of the roll paper assy/chute for the model 
> 26? I am trying to build one for my 26 to use the full size roll. I 
> don't have the original table.
> Thanks
> Cecil
> KF6ZOK
>
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Apr 26 17:34:36 2025
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 21:34:36 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY 60wpm
Message-ID: <20250426.173436.14782.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

Hi all:
 
As you might have noticed, ITTY 60 WPM is having a problem and is "down" for the present.
 
We are working on a solution to rectify the issue and hope to be up shortly.
 
In the meantime please avail yourself to the other ITTY channels.
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding.
 
Tom WB2TTY
 
 AUTO:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART

GREENWICH:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

ITTY 100:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100

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From cdlale63 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 26 17:47:57 2025
From: cdlale63 at yahoo.com (Cecil Lale)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 21:47:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
In-Reply-To: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<902735849.2179355.1745696367426@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67120965.2200482.1745704077256@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes, also the roll paper mount.ThanksCecilKF6ZOK

    On Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 12:39:27 PM PDT, Cecil Lale <cdlale63 at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone have any pics of the roll paper assy/chute for the model 26? I am trying to build one for my 26 to use the full size roll. I don't have the original table.ThanksCecilKF6ZOK  
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 18:00:32 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 18:00:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
In-Reply-To: <67120965.2200482.1745704077256@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <902735849.2179355.1745696367426.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<902735849.2179355.1745696367426@mail.yahoo.com>
	<67120965.2200482.1745704077256@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a058c9bb-0a3f-4bb3-93f9-72d3103d7d79@earthlink.net>

Cecil,

Here are some pictures that I received a few years ago on the M26 paper 
chute, but I never got around to making one.

    "The panel is 3.5 by 9 inches. The tabs extend by 1/4 inch.
    The width of the tab is 7/8 in."

 ?? The file "M26 Paper Roll - Back of cabinet", I believe is a picture 
of a bracket for a M26, but not sure.? The rod hangs down and the paper 
goes from the roll, down under the rod, and then up to the printer.?? 
Dont try to have the paper roll feed directly into the printer, there 
needs to be some slack in the paper travel between the roll & the printer.

Good luck & have fun,

Duncan



On 4/26/2025 5:47 PM, Cecil Lale via GreenKeys wrote:
> Yes, also the roll paper mount.
> Thanks
> Cecil
> KF6ZOK
>
>
> On Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 12:39:27 PM PDT, Cecil Lale 
> <cdlale63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any pics of the roll paper assy/chute for the model 
> 26? I am trying to build one for my 26 to use the full size roll. I 
> don't have the original table.
> Thanks
> Cecil
> KF6ZOK
>
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From til128 at juno.com  Sat Apr 26 18:07:35 2025
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:07:35 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
Message-ID: <20250426.180735.14782.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

Would the attached help you at all??Tom WB2TTY

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Cecil Lale via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
To: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 21:47:57 +0000 (UTC)


 Yes, also the roll paper mount.ThanksCecilKF6ZOK  On Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 12:39:27 PM PDT, Cecil Lale <cdlale63 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Does anyone have any pics of the roll paper assy/chute for the model 26? I am trying to build one for my 26 to use the full size roll. I don't have the original table.ThanksCecilKF6ZOK
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 18:17:12 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 18:17:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
In-Reply-To: <20250426.180735.14782.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
References: <20250426.180735.14782.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <d84b56ff-9d06-4a6b-9307-e000699e3caf@earthlink.net>

Tom,

I think that information is for the M26 desk, which Cecil does not have.

Cecil,

I also have pictures of how the paper is handled in the desk , if that 
would help.

73,

Duncan

On 4/26/2025 6:07 PM, til128 at juno.com wrote:
> Would the attached help you at all??
> Tom WB2TTY
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Cecil Lale via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> To: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 26 Roll Paper Assy
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 21:47:57 +0000 (UTC)
>
> Yes, also the roll paper mount.
> Thanks
> Cecil
> KF6ZOK
> On Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 12:39:27 PM PDT, Cecil Lale 
> <cdlale63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any pics of the roll paper assy/chute for the model 
> 26? I am trying to build one for my 26 to use the full size roll. I 
> don't have the original table.
> Thanks
> Cecil
> KF6ZOK
>
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Apr 26 19:35:36 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:35:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
Message-ID: <5357D58F-5F31-4914-B567-9B8591A1244E@junknet.net>

Some questions and discussions from the ship today, maybe Nick or Duncan might have insight:

1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard when first deployed?

2. Would message handling ever send or receive personal traffic for sailors onboard from friends/family (aka telegrams) other than military orders?

The second question was from a guest.

Jeff

From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 26 19:57:02 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:57:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
In-Reply-To: <5357D58F-5F31-4914-B567-9B8591A1244E@junknet.net>
References: <5357D58F-5F31-4914-B567-9B8591A1244E@junknet.net>
Message-ID: <d0785f3a-4de3-4723-a937-0ed7cfadc162@earthlink.net>

Jeff,

I don't know about #2, but for #1, Navy ships during WWII definitely 
used M15 for RTTY/RATT communications. (I'm not familiar with "Iowa 
Class" size or dates).

Before WWII, the US military used little or no TTY equipment (too 
expensive!).? But with WWII, they quickly realized the advantages of 
RTTY/RATT. Enclosed is a map of the Navy TTY network of 1948.

The Navy did some experiments with RTTY in the 1920s, but I don't think 
they did much with them until WWII. So any ships with RTTY equipment on 
them before 1950, would have used M15s (and later, M19s). In 1950, M28 
production started and the first year (or two) production went to the Navy.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ



On 4/26/2025 7:35 PM, Jeffrey Golas wrote:
> Some questions and discussions from the ship today, maybe Nick or Duncan might have insight:
>
> 1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard when first deployed?
>
> 2. Would message handling ever send or receive personal traffic for sailors onboard from friends/family (aka telegrams) other than military orders?
>
> The second question was from a guest.
>
> Jeff
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Apr 26 19:59:55 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:59:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
In-Reply-To: <5357D58F-5F31-4914-B567-9B8591A1244E@junknet.net>
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I think I?ve read somewhere about war correspondents filing stories via
RATT from Iowa late in WW2. And M15 would have been used for that.

Also Iowa had radio facsimile used towards the end of the war.

The Pearl Harbor installation was disestablished in March 1945, in order to
provide a mobile unit. This was transferred to the USS Iowa, in the forward
area, transmitting pictures to Guam for retransmission, and on occasion,
relaying pictures via Guam directly to San Francisco for delivery to the
War Picture Pool. On 27 August 1945, the radiophoto unit aboard the USS
Iowa established the first direct two-way communication between the
continental United States and naval forces in Japanese home waters,
transmitting pictures of the task force entering Sagami Bay, Japan.

An increasing flow of picture transmissions continued through, and
culminated in, the successful handling of the Japanese surrender pictures
of 2 September 1945, taken aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay. The films
of the first signing ceremonies were taken by boat to the USS Iowa, where
they were developed, printed, and transmitted directly to San Francisco by
the mobile radiophoto unit. Total elapsed time, from taking the pictures
until delivery to east coast wire services for distribution to newspapers,
was approximately 4 hours.



Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:36?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Some questions and discussions from the ship today, maybe Nick or Duncan
> might have insight:
>
> 1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard
> when first deployed?
>
> 2. Would message handling ever send or receive personal traffic for
> sailors onboard from friends/family (aka telegrams) other than military
> orders?
>
> The second question was from a guest.
>
> Jeff
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Apr 26 20:22:27 2025
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 17:22:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Apr 26 20:37:53 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 20:37:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
In-Reply-To: <d0785f3a-4de3-4723-a937-0ed7cfadc162@earthlink.net>
References: <5357D58F-5F31-4914-B567-9B8591A1244E@junknet.net>
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The AGC class command ships for amphibious assaults definitely had M15 gear
aboard.
https://www.navy-radio.com/ships/agc/agc4-1943-01.jpg

https://www.navy-radio.com/ships/agc/adirondack-rtty-01.jpg


Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:57?PM Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I don't know about #2, but for #1, Navy ships during WWII definitely used
> M15 for RTTY/RATT communications. (I'm not familiar with "Iowa Class" size
> or dates).
>
> Before WWII, the US military used little or no TTY equipment (too
> expensive!).  But with WWII, they quickly realized the advantages of
> RTTY/RATT. Enclosed is a map of the Navy TTY network of 1948.
>
> The Navy did some experiments with RTTY in the 1920s, but I don't think
> they did much with them until WWII. So any ships with RTTY equipment on
> them before 1950, would have used M15s (and later, M19s). In 1950, M28
> production started and the first year (or two) production went to the Navy.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> On 4/26/2025 7:35 PM, Jeffrey Golas wrote:
>
> Some questions and discussions from the ship today, maybe Nick or Duncan might have insight:
>
> 1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard when first deployed?
>
> 2. Would message handling ever send or receive personal traffic for sailors onboard from friends/family (aka telegrams) other than military orders?
>
> The second question was from a guest.
>
> Jeff
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Sat Apr 26 21:41:40 2025
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Brenda Gentry)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 21:41:40 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY on ocean cables?
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The mention of Navy RTTY? and water brought out a question-? when was 
the first transatlantic teletype cable system built??? What kind of 
keying did it use?

 ???? B. Gentry,? KA2IVY

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From rdelgatt at optonline.net  Sat Apr 26 21:50:58 2025
From: rdelgatt at optonline.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 21:50:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Connections
Message-ID: <4E036A32-665A-4AE4-A189-788DA653A0F4@optonline.net>

Hello All, I listened to a few of you days ago, all good copy to Long Island, I would love to join in!
My problem, I have a perfect working 28 KSR that can receive by radio and I can type and print what I type.   
I am using a Dovetron MPC 1000r with a TSR-500, TMS-100, TID-100, it can autostart!
I am using the MPC 2 way loop line at 60 mil. The keyboard is in the loop at tb751 terminal 7&8.
If incorrect where would it connect to the MPC. I bypassed the filters in the keyboard and Z752.
I am using a Kenwood TS450s radio, I have the connector ready to use at terminal 2 rear of the radio but am unsure where to connect
to the MPC, I think term 2 is for FSK connection. I am afraid to connect it to the radio not knowing.
When I shift the MPC to send should I see anything on the scope when I type? AFSK tone keyers switched to A m2125, s2295 170 shift. 
I made the mods to the LESU as per The New RTTY Hand Book page 46, I think I have that all correct. 
What I am looking for is some literature or direction to connect what I am using, a 28, Dovetron and a some what modern Kenwood radio?
I have looked at past post, and all over the internet and do not see any reference to making these connections. 
Thanks in advance Kc2ltx

From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Apr 26 21:56:31 2025
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 18:56:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Connections
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References: <4E036A32-665A-4AE4-A189-788DA653A0F4@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4E7004BB-D230-42EC-A1C8-3EA557046E8F@k6yic.com>

On my TS-570 I just hook everything directly to the microphone and headphone jack.  The built in TTY filters don?t work with the military 850hz so I just use USB. 

Daniel



www.K6YIC.com
DJones at K6YIC.com
HH#11973

> On Apr 26, 2025, at 18:52, Bob <rdelgatt at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello All, I listened to a few of you days ago, all good copy to Long Island, I would love to join in!
> My problem, I have a perfect working 28 KSR that can receive by radio and I can type and print what I type.   
> I am using a Dovetron MPC 1000r with a TSR-500, TMS-100, TID-100, it can autostart!
> I am using the MPC 2 way loop line at 60 mil. The keyboard is in the loop at tb751 terminal 7&8.
> If incorrect where would it connect to the MPC. I bypassed the filters in the keyboard and Z752.
> I am using a Kenwood TS450s radio, I have the connector ready to use at terminal 2 rear of the radio but am unsure where to connect
> to the MPC, I think term 2 is for FSK connection. I am afraid to connect it to the radio not knowing.
> When I shift the MPC to send should I see anything on the scope when I type? AFSK tone keyers switched to A m2125, s2295 170 shift.
> I made the mods to the LESU as per The New RTTY Hand Book page 46, I think I have that all correct.
> What I am looking for is some literature or direction to connect what I am using, a 28, Dovetron and a some what modern Kenwood radio?
> I have looked at past post, and all over the internet and do not see any reference to making these connections.
> Thanks in advance Kc2ltx
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Apr 26 22:28:10 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:28:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Apr 26 22:36:26 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:36:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Connections
In-Reply-To: <4E036A32-665A-4AE4-A189-788DA653A0F4@optonline.net>
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Well you need to decide if you want "fsk" or "afsk". AFSK is where the Dovetron makes the tones, FSK is where the radio itself does the tones. Id use AFSK.

To talk to the Saturday net, you'd want 850 shift, which might be option C on the Dovetron. (You can adjust them in the back). It should be 850 shift centered on 2000.

If AFSK, you need an audio input on the radio, as well as some way to key up the radio and keep it keyed to transmit.

Jeff KC3GJX

> On Apr 26, 2025, at 9:51?PM, Bob <rdelgatt at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello All, I listened to a few of you days ago, all good copy to Long Island, I would love to join in!
> My problem, I have a perfect working 28 KSR that can receive by radio and I can type and print what I type.   
> I am using a Dovetron MPC 1000r with a TSR-500, TMS-100, TID-100, it can autostart!
> I am using the MPC 2 way loop line at 60 mil. The keyboard is in the loop at tb751 terminal 7&8.
> If incorrect where would it connect to the MPC. I bypassed the filters in the keyboard and Z752.
> I am using a Kenwood TS450s radio, I have the connector ready to use at terminal 2 rear of the radio but am unsure where to connect
> to the MPC, I think term 2 is for FSK connection. I am afraid to connect it to the radio not knowing.
> When I shift the MPC to send should I see anything on the scope when I type? AFSK tone keyers switched to A m2125, s2295 170 shift.
> I made the mods to the LESU as per The New RTTY Hand Book page 46, I think I have that all correct.
> What I am looking for is some literature or direction to connect what I am using, a 28, Dovetron and a some what modern Kenwood radio?
> I have looked at past post, and all over the internet and do not see any reference to making these connections.
> Thanks in advance Kc2ltx
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Apr 26 22:42:31 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:42:31 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY on ocean cables?
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From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 17:58:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
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From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 18:28:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Historical/Navy questions
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 27 08:37:29 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:37:29 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
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On sending personal telegrams, the Navy training manuals and procedure
books include plenty of info on how to do that and how much to charge the
sender. Of course timing would depend on the tactical situation.....

301. Class E messages.--"Class E messages are unofficial personal messages.
They
may be sent to or from any person in the naval service and may be handled
free of charge
over that part of the circuit which is under control of the Navy. Where
charges are involved,
these charges must be prepaid.
302. Acceptance of traffic.-Subject to the rules set forth in article 2210,
the Chief of
Naval Operations, commandants of naval districts, senior naval authority at
outlying
activities at which there is a naval radio station, and all naval ships are
authorized to accept
Class E messages, which shall be handled in accordance with the
instructions set forth in the
following articles.

[image: image.png]

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:36?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> Some questions and discussions from the ship today, maybe Nick or Duncan
> might have insight:
>
> 1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard
> when first deployed?
>
> 2. Would message handling ever send or receive personal traffic for
> sailors onboard from friends/family (aka telegrams) other than military
> orders?
>
> The second question was from a guest.
>
> Jeff
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 27 08:52:05 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:52:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Historical/Navy questions
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	<CAB55hNddPYNh4QW7sqhiFGh9txbEkNDkye_+vQ+2SuYo0qzDCg@mail.gmail.com>
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106. Security and censorship in wartime.-Since the headings of traffic in
commercial
form may yield considerable information, the use of commercial facilities
should be critically
judged. The release of messages carrying ship's name in plain language in
the heading,
signature or the text is prohibited. If possible, file such traffic ashore
in such manner as
to conceal ship's name and location. If necessary to release at sea,
substitute SANSORIGINE
for name of ship.
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 8:37?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> On sending personal telegrams, the Navy training manuals and procedure
> books include plenty of info on how to do that and how much to charge the
> sender. Of course timing would depend on the tactical situation.....
>
> 301. Class E messages.--"Class E messages are unofficial personal
> messages. They
> may be sent to or from any person in the naval service and may be handled
> free of charge
> over that part of the circuit which is under control of the Navy. Where
> charges are involved,
> these charges must be prepaid.
> 302. Acceptance of traffic.-Subject to the rules set forth in article
> 2210, the Chief of
> Naval Operations, commandants of naval districts, senior naval authority
> at outlying
> activities at which there is a naval radio station, and all naval ships
> are authorized to accept
> Class E messages, which shall be handled in accordance with the
> instructions set forth in the
> following articles.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:36?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>
>> Some questions and discussions from the ship today, maybe Nick or Duncan
>> might have insight:
>>
>> 1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard
>> when first deployed?
>>
>> 2. Would message handling ever send or receive personal traffic for
>> sailors onboard from friends/family (aka telegrams) other than military
>> orders?
>>
>> The second question was from a guest.
>>
>> Jeff
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Sun Apr 27 13:23:28 2025
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 13:23:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype movie sighting
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 27 13:25:21 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 13:25:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY on ocean cables?
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	<d0785f3a-4de3-4723-a937-0ed7cfadc162@earthlink.net>
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The original undersea cables used DC signalling.? But because of the 
large amount of capacitance in the thousands of miles of coaxial cable 
used, the DC level could not change quickly and even hand-sent Morse had 
to be sent slowly. This was improved somewhat by using polar signalling, 
but was still too slow for TTY.

Around 1910, they started using audio signals on the undersea cables. 
This allowed faster signalling and Frequency Division Multiplexing.? At 
this time, TTYs, using AFSK, could have been used on the undersea cables.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 4/26/2025 9:41 PM, Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys wrote:
>
> The mention of Navy RTTY? and water brought out a question- when was 
> the first transatlantic teletype cable system built? What kind of 
> keying did it use?
>
> ???? B. Gentry,? KA2IVY
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 27 13:31:33 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 13:31:33 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - Model 28 Keyboard Typing Reperforator - needs
	restoration
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FTGH - Model 28 Keyboard Typing Reperforator - needs restoration but I
don't know when I'd ever get around to it and I have one working unit
already. The motor turns freely, the reperf cycles OK - I predict a good
disassembly and cleanup will result in a working unit

Navy model TT-253A/UG
This model punches and prints tape from keyboard and/or 60ma signal line.
Chadless (not fully perforated tape)
photos - https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt253a-resto.htm

Pick up in Chapel Hill NC or I will deliver to Dayton/Xenia or Shelby
hamfests.
If a museum or ship wants it, I'm willing to restore it first

My usual arbitrary terms apply in the event of multiple requests.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Apr 27 15:20:02 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:20:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - Model 28 Keyboard Typing Reperforator -
	needs restoration
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Adopted.
It is going to Duncan to clean up for display at the AWA Communication
Technologies museum.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 1:31?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> FTGH - Model 28 Keyboard Typing Reperforator - needs restoration but I
> don't know when I'd ever get around to it and I have one working unit
> already. The motor turns freely, the reperf cycles OK - I predict a good
> disassembly and cleanup will result in a working unit
>
> Navy model TT-253A/UG
> This model punches and prints tape from keyboard and/or 60ma signal line.
> Chadless (not fully perforated tape)
> photos - https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt253a-resto.htm
>
> Pick up in Chapel Hill NC or I will deliver to Dayton/Xenia or Shelby
> hamfests.
> If a museum or ship wants it, I'm willing to restore it first
>
> My usual arbitrary terms apply in the event of multiple requests.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From cdlale63 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 27 15:52:49 2025
From: cdlale63 at yahoo.com (Cecil Lale)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 19:52:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re model 26 roll paper chute
References: <1539542268.467385.1745783569662.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1539542268.467385.1745783569662@mail.yahoo.com>

On the paper chute the 3.5,Is that including the tabs or without? With the tabs it should be 3.75".ThanksCecilKF6ZOK
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 27 16:00:13 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:00:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Re model 26 roll paper chute
In-Reply-To: <1539542268.467385.1745783569662@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<1539542268.467385.1745783569662@mail.yahoo.com>
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Cecil,

Sorry, I can't tell you.? That was all the information that I received.? 
Maybe someone else here has the information.

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 4/27/2025 3:52 PM, Cecil Lale via GreenKeys wrote:
> On the paper chute the 3.5,Is that including the tabs or without? With 
> the tabs it should be 3.75".
> Thanks
> Cecil
> KF6ZOK
>
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From nagle at animats.com  Sun Apr 27 03:50:51 2025
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 00:50:51 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Battleship model 15
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> On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 7:36?PM Jeffrey Golas<jeffg at junknet.net>  wrote:

>> 1. Does anyone know if an IOWA class ship had any Model 15 gear onboard
>> when first deployed?

Yes. There was a "naval model" of the Model 15.
Photos here.

https://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm

Someone on Greenkeys had one and might still have it.

Differences from a standard Model 15:

- Keyboard is permanently attached to the base, with
an aluminum support frame.

- Typing unit can be slid forward on rails for maintenance
and has additional leg supports.

- Shock mounts.

- Reinforced base

- Big thumbwheel instead of removable crank for paper
advance.

- Carriage has some aluminum parts to reduce weight.

- Stronger carriage advance and return mechanism.

- Will operate up to 45 degrees from vertical.

Around 1950, the Navy began transitioning to machines
based on the later Model 28 mechanism, which has
a much lighter moving carriage and is better suited
to mobile operation.

				John Nagle



From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 15:52:25 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:52:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY from an M151A1 jeep - video
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcEZH4eJjDrnW-NvWn6FFqdbsU+_q=mFJATShnLOH7tsw@mail.gmail.com>

Ray KA3EKH took his M151A1 ?mutt? on the road to work some RTTY from a WW2
memorial event. Here?s his report and video.
??????-

AAR Delaware Goes to War, April 26 Fort Miles, Cape Henlopen State Park,
Delaware

What was supposed to be achieved by this project?

Delaware Goes to War is an annual event in April at the Fort Miles, Cape
Henlopen State Park Delaware. The Fort Miles Historical Association wants
to keep this a WW2 only thing, but the Delaware State Parks people allow me
to set up in a parking lot next to the Historical Association.

I planned to have the M151 mutt set up with all its radio equipment along
with on air operations that included participating in the 7087 RTTY and
MMRCG Nets along with a Special Southern version of the regular Moose &
Squirrel Net.

What was actually achieved?

 Arrived early Saturday morning and set the mutt up. Used an inverted V
antenna cut for forty meters along with a second antenna cut for sixty. The
AN/GRC-106A was powered by running the engine onboard the mutt. Used a
Panasonic Toughbook laptop for teletype. Had available but did not use the
VRC-12 Low Band VHF set or the URC-110 VHF set.

 What aspects of the project worked?

I worked the RTTY Net on 7087 including copying the K4NYW special event
NAVRADSTA Lewes bulletin. Lot of turn out for this net, more stations
checking in than usual. The 7296 MMRCG Net had minor issues (Troll) and
some stations were weakly copied. Did not work the 5357 M&S Net at noon but
saved my resources for doing the Southern Fried Moose at one that
afternoon. Talked to N2IA before net time and called the net at thirteen
Hundert hours local. In addition to N2IA K3CBJ, K3TZJ and N2MS all checked
in.

People always enjoy seeing the mutt and all the radio along with the PRC-77
display that I put out, everyone loves the PRC-25/77

What didn't work and why?

The batteries in the mutt were bad last year, and they did not get any
better over the winter. Just have to go ahead and buy two new batteries and
swap them out. Looked at them and they were one year warrantee and I bought
them back in 2018

Thought it was going to rain all day so I installed the rain curtains all
around and it never did rain. But was in the eighties and humid so that
makes a hot environment in the back of the mutt. Could have removed all
that but then it would have rained for Sure.

What would you change if given a second chance?

Have a full tank of gas along with new batteries for the mutt. Last year I
had to jump the mutt to get it going again. Need to find a more period
correct chair then what I have been using looks out of place but it?s
comfortable.

Although there have been issues with the event in the past I did have the
opportunity to drag everything out in the field and operate, As Joe WA4VAG
use to say ?Field radios are only happy in the field? the Delaware Goes to
War event is an event where you can operate from the field, maybe one day I
can inspire others to do the same?

Did shoot some video of the nets and its up at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTp8KejqMDQ

Ray F/KA3EKH

??????
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 28 18:28:12 2025
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 17:28:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] IttyWx project on github
Message-ID: <130336554.427760.1745879301362@yahoo.com>

Im working on making the set up on?https://github.com/tenko23/ittyWx.Has anybody done this recently?? I've got the raspberry pie and followed the instructions for the script ( many problems and much learning, zero python experience).? I think I have it right.? I was hooked up with a vople circuit board that I have not started yet (have to order the components).??? ? ? ?Does the volpe bored connect to the raspberry pi with a usb cord that has one end soldered to it.? I can't tell from the picture.? ? ? ?Thanks? ? ?Bowman?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Mon Apr 28 19:34:27 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:34:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] IttyWx project on github
In-Reply-To: <130336554.427760.1745879301362@yahoo.com>
References: <130336554.427760.1745879301362@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34574945-3E53-490E-AE23-F4F376AE4107@xsmail.com>


Hey,

I?ve been working on version 3 again.  Was hoping to have it released earlier this year, but a couple of months ago a car ran a red light and totaled my truck? so getting that all sorted out with the insurance companies, along with buying a replacement and then trying to get my ham radio gear into the new (used) one took some time.  Finally done with the truck as of last week ? now back on with the script ;p .

Not a great coder myself, I?m just putting some finishing touches on 3 ? the new version and hopefully it will be released in not too long? but if you can get version 1 working, the more power to ?ya :) !  The current issue with version 1 ? the one that?s on GitHub, is that the NWS changed some stuff with their API... 3 will have that all fixed.

Good luck and will keep ?ya updated on my end as well!


> On Apr 28, 2025, at 5:28?PM, abowman89 via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Im working on making the set up on https://github.com/tenko23/ittyWx.
> Has anybody done this recently?  I've got the raspberry pie and followed the instructions for the script ( many problems and much learning, zero python experience).  I think I have it right.  I was hooked up with a vople circuit board that I have not started yet (have to order the components).  
>        Does the volpe bored connect to the raspberry pi with a usb cord that has one end soldered to it.  I can't tell from the picture.
> 
>        Thanks
>      Bowman 

From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 28 19:40:41 2025
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:40:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Battleship model 15
In-Reply-To: <c27fd2c9-fd14-4849-aa7b-f8c1f391999c@animats.com>
References: <mailman.13271.1745725912.31896.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<c27fd2c9-fd14-4849-aa7b-f8c1f391999c@animats.com>
Message-ID: <c0cf5b23-d3ee-47e4-e33-d5e07149dcbc@earthlink.net>


I remember Walt Zenner talking about something once - maybe it was
in the book he and Bob Reek co-authored.  Something about a projector
Model 15.  They wanted it for pilot briefings on aircraft carriers
because things on the ship were too noisy for the pilots to hear what
the briefers were saying.  Anyway he said it was a problem with the
mass of the type basket and the ship rolling, so they put together a
machine with two type baskets moving in opposite directions.  I don't
know if he was kidding or if it was just an experiment that didn't go
into production.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 20:41:35 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 20:41:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Battleship model 15
In-Reply-To: <c0cf5b23-d3ee-47e4-e33-d5e07149dcbc@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.13271.1745725912.31896.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
	<c27fd2c9-fd14-4849-aa7b-f8c1f391999c@animats.com>
	<c0cf5b23-d3ee-47e4-e33-d5e07149dcbc@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNd2DJfX7ErHOxsvRjwWV-az7kxwSbxStx48+dK9UPXmNA@mail.gmail.com>

I?m pretty sure the model 28 projector got used shipboard.
And here?s a film of the M15 version in use shipboard during WW2
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/78116

M15 projection set (TT-71/FG)
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt71-projector-02.jpg

M28 projection set (AN/UGR-1)
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr1-projector-03.jpg

More photos here
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm
And the manuals are here
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals-ttycorp.htm

I wonder if any survived???

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:40?PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> I remember Walt Zenner talking about something once - maybe it was
> in the book he and Bob Reek co-authored.  Something about a projector
> Model 15.  They wanted it for pilot briefings on aircraft carriers
> because things on the ship were too noisy for the pilots to hear what
> the briefers were saying.  Anyway he said it was a problem with the
> mass of the type basket and the ship rolling, so they put together a
> machine with two type baskets moving in opposite directions.  I don't
> know if he was kidding or if it was just an experiment that didn't go
> into production.
>
>         ---
>
>         "Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>         "No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
>                 Meredith Willson, The Music Man
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 20:46:26 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 20:46:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Battleship model 15
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	<c27fd2c9-fd14-4849-aa7b-f8c1f391999c@animats.com>
	<c0cf5b23-d3ee-47e4-e33-d5e07149dcbc@earthlink.net>
	<CAB55hNd2DJfX7ErHOxsvRjwWV-az7kxwSbxStx48+dK9UPXmNA@mail.gmail.com>
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https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt71-ug-01.JPG


Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 8:41?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?m pretty sure the model 28 projector got used shipboard.
> And here?s a film of the M15 version in use shipboard during WW2
> https://catalog.archives.gov/id/78116
>
> M15 projection set (TT-71/FG)
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/tt71-projector-02.jpg
>
> M28 projection set (AN/UGR-1)
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugr1-projector-03.jpg
>
> More photos here
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm
> And the manuals are here
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals-ttycorp.htm
>
> I wonder if any survived???
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:40?PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I remember Walt Zenner talking about something once - maybe it was
>> in the book he and Bob Reek co-authored.  Something about a projector
>> Model 15.  They wanted it for pilot briefings on aircraft carriers
>> because things on the ship were too noisy for the pilots to hear what
>> the briefers were saying.  Anyway he said it was a problem with the
>> mass of the type basket and the ship rolling, so they put together a
>> machine with two type baskets moving in opposite directions.  I don't
>> know if he was kidding or if it was just an experiment that didn't go
>> into production.
>>
>>         ---
>>
>>         "Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>>         "No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
>>                 Meredith Willson, The Music Man
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From til128 at juno.com  Tue Apr 29 08:10:27 2025
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 12:10:27 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY 60 WPM
Message-ID: <20250429.081027.17484.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Hello all: ^2
 
This is to inform you that ITTY 60 WPM is back up and running after a disastrous crash.
 
We invite you to avail yourselves of ITTY 60 WPM and warm up the oil on your various machines - even those with "glass" TTs.
 
We thank you for your patience during this time and also thank you for your support.
 
Tom WB2TTY Tillson
 
PS: And don't forget the other channels we offer.

ITTY Listening:

ITTY:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8000/ITTY

AUTO:  HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8030/AUTOSTART

GREENWICH:   HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8040/EUROPE

ITTY 100:   HTTP://INTERNET-TTY.NET:8010/ITTY100

 
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From abowman89 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 08:30:52 2025
From: abowman89 at yahoo.com (abowman89)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:30:52 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] IttyWx project on github
In-Reply-To: <34574945-3E53-490E-AE23-F4F376AE4107@xsmail.com>
Message-ID: <813384881.398616.1745929855852@yahoo.com>

Ooooo that's good information to have.? Ultimately,? The goal is to also make a low paper power kill and run my model 15 permanently as a weather alert.? ?If my script comprehension improves maby follow the weather and something else.? ? ? Bowman?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S24+, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "E." <hanyou at xsmail.com> Date: 4/28/25  6:35 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] IttyWx project on github Hey,I?ve been working on version 3 again.? Was hoping to have it released earlier this year, but a couple of months ago a car ran a red light and totaled my truck? so getting that all sorted out with the insurance companies, along with buying a replacement and then trying to get my ham radio gear into the new (used) one took some time.? Finally done with the truck as of last week ? now back on with the script ;p .Not a great coder myself, I?m just putting some finishing touches on 3 ? the new version and hopefully it will be released in not too long? but if you can get version 1 working, the more power to ?ya :) !? The current issue with version 1 ? the one that?s on GitHub, is that the NWS changed some stuff with their API... 3 will have that all fixed.Good luck and will keep ?ya updated on my end as well!> On Apr 28, 2025, at 5:28?PM, abowman89 via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:> > Im working on making the set up on https://github.com/tenko23/ittyWx.> Has anybody done this recently?? I've got the raspberry pie and followed the instructions for the script ( many problems and much learning, zero python experience).? I think I have it right.? I was hooked up with a vople circuit board that I have not started yet (have to order the components).? >??????? Does the volpe bored connect to the raspberry pi with a usb cord that has one end soldered to it.? I can't tell from the picture.> >??????? Thanks>????? Bowman ______________________________________________________________GreenKeys mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeysHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.htmlThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to abowman89 at yahoo.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 13:40:42 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:40:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FTGH - ED38 (Bell 14AW) Test Message Generator
Message-ID: <CAB55hNd2BZjkeBWZA-7qR_wzW72T=SvkchicEWcEmA=97660=g@mail.gmail.com>

This is essentially a Model 14 distributor plus code wheels that generate a
QUICK BROWN FOX test message. It works fine. Has 100wpm gears installed.
Synchronous motor. No Cover.
Photos and info at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/test-ed38.htm

Pick up in Chapel Hill NC or I will deliver to Dayton/Xenia or Shelby
hamfest.
In the event of multiple requests I will apply my usual arbitrary
criteria....

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Wed Apr 30 19:34:25 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:34:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Going to Dayton
Message-ID: <CAPK6Wsd8V0PL-sTGph4mG1CCaR7_MG0kE58YOxzZqnwHxLKf1A@mail.gmail.com>

For those going to Dayton, this guy just booked himself a room (after
literally 4 tries) and will be there (knocks heavily on wood). If anyone is
looking for a Model 28, please let me know I have several available and
could bring one; also have a Navy gray Model 15 I'd be interested in
selling or trading as well, trying to recoup some costs for the trip. The
model 15 has a tractor feed platen.

Jeff KC3GJX
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