From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Jul  4 00:03:40 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:03:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 autospace disable?
References: <318190647.105656.1751601820472.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <318190647.105656.1751601820472@mail.yahoo.com>

I've been wanting to turn off the keyboard autospace feature but so far haven't found it described in the manuals I have. Is this easily do-able?

Wayne
WB4OGM

From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Jul  4 00:26:27 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 21:26:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 autospace disable?
In-Reply-To: <318190647.105656.1751601820472@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <318190647.105656.1751601820472.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<318190647.105656.1751601820472@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <21ca6893453525e33f2b045ba1501355.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Do you mean repeating space when you hold down the space bar? If so, I
think it's that threaded rod just above the P keycap. When the space bar
is held down, that threaded rod is pulled forward preventing the the cam
shaft from stopping when the character is completed. I imagine you could
loosen the front nut so the rod would not be pulled when the space bar is
pressed. Then the space bar SHOULD be like any other key and just be
transmitted once.

Is repeating space a problem?

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


On Thu, July 3, 2025 9:03 pm, hwhall--- via GreenKeys wrote:
> I've been wanting to turn off the keyboard autospace feature but so far
> haven't found it described in the manuals I have. Is this easily do-able?
>
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Fri Jul  4 00:55:41 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:55:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 autospace disable?
In-Reply-To: <21ca6893453525e33f2b045ba1501355.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <318190647.105656.1751601820472.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<318190647.105656.1751601820472@mail.yahoo.com>
	<21ca6893453525e33f2b045ba1501355.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <1903429176.98789.1751604941040@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi & thanks for the reply.? Yes, multiple spaces when you hold the space bar down.

I did look at that rod & wasn't sure that unscrewing the adjustments was the right way to do the job.? The repeating space isn't a serious problem but we demo a Model 15 & let folks try their hand at the keyboard.? Almost no one is able to get just one space.? So I thought it may be worthwhile to temporarily disable the feature.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Thursday, July 3, 2025 at 10:26:51 PM MDT, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 

Do you mean repeating space when you hold down the space bar? If so, I
think it's that threaded rod just above the P keycap. When the space bar
is held down, that threaded rod is pulled forward preventing the the cam
shaft from stopping when the character is completed. I imagine you could
loosen the front nut so the rod would not be pulled when the space bar is
pressed. Then the space bar SHOULD be like any other key and just be
transmitted once.

Is repeating space a problem?

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


On Thu, July 3, 2025 9:03 pm, hwhall--- via GreenKeys wrote:
> I've been wanting to turn off the keyboard autospace feature but so far
> haven't found it described in the manuals I have. Is this easily do-able?
>
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM

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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Jul  5 15:34:10 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:34:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kantronics - "the interface"
Message-ID: <6B208C54-7452-4ED2-851F-AF7CF991459A@junknet.net>

Has anyone used one of these tiny TUs? Manual says loop is good to 250vdc for teletype use. Fixed at 170 shift; only downside is no reverse button.

Found one at a hamfest today. Guess Ill have to try it out.

Jeff

From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Jul  5 15:50:35 2025
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 12:50:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kantronics - "the interface"
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I have one of these set up to run just inbound traffic for when I am doing demonstrations.  I have it set up to run on 24v with a custom loop supply.   It works pretty good but does not have loop send capabilities.  It was designed to be used with glass and use a teletype as the printer.  

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www.K6YIC.com
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HH#11973

> On Jul 5, 2025, at 12:35, Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Has anyone used one of these tiny TUs? Manual says loop is good to 250vdc for teletype use. Fixed at 170 shift; only downside is no reverse button.
> 
> Found one at a hamfest today. Guess Ill have to try it out.
> 
> Jeff
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> 
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sat Jul  5 15:51:18 2025
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 12:51:18 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kantronics - "the interface"
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References: <2D701FD2-6E5C-4271-B311-5B57331549EA@k6yic.com>
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HH#11973

> On Jul 5, 2025, at 12:50, Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have one of these set up to run just inbound traffic for when I am doing demonstrations.  I have it set up to run on 24v with a custom loop supply.   It works pretty good but does not have loop send capabilities.  It was designed to be used with glass and use a teletype as the printer.  
> 
> <image.png>
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> www.K6YIC.com
> DJones at K6YIC.com
> HH#11973
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2025, at 12:35, Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Has anyone used one of these tiny TUs? Manual says loop is good to 250vdc for teletype use. Fixed at 170 shift; only downside is no reverse button.
>> 
>> Found one at a hamfest today. Guess Ill have to try it out.
>> 
>> Jeff
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>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Jul  5 17:01:20 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 17:01:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Kantronics - "the interface"
In-Reply-To: <2D701FD2-6E5C-4271-B311-5B57331549EA@k6yic.com>
References: <2D701FD2-6E5C-4271-B311-5B57331549EA@k6yic.com>
Message-ID: <A972D6BE-71DB-4335-8AE1-F0B7EED5ADD1@junknet.net>

Rats, although still cool. I was hoping it woukd tx as well, then it could be a 12v field day TU.

Jeff

> On Jul 5, 2025, at 3:50?PM, Daniel Jones <djones at k6yic.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have one of these set up to run just inbound traffic for when I am doing demonstrations.  I have it set up to run on 24v with a custom loop supply.   It works pretty good but does not have loop send capabilities.  It was designed to be used with glass and use a teletype as the printer.  
> 
> <image.png>
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> www.K6YIC.com
> DJones at K6YIC.com
> HH#11973
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2025, at 12:35, Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Has anyone used one of these tiny TUs? Manual says loop is good to 250vdc for teletype use. Fixed at 170 shift; only downside is no reverse button.
>> 
>> Found one at a hamfest today. Guess Ill have to try it out.
>> 
>> Jeff
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>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>> 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 11:47:35 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 11:47:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>

Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8

https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 11:57:49 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 10:57:49 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
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Welp, moment of truth, anyone got a burning need for a vegas trip, or
$10k they wanna donate to the cause? 50/50 odds I don't put it all on
black in the airport, better than the house will give you!

-Eric

On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 10:48?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
> Nick England K4NYW
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> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Sun Jul  6 13:08:16 2025
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 17:08:16 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
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If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus shipping/transportation etc.




73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos





________________________________
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Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch

Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8

https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul  6 13:19:09 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 10:19:09 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB882157A7A97867DDC9BEAD0BB54CA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
	<PH0PR12MB882157A7A97867DDC9BEAD0BB54CA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <b7efdd708492c2c0dad623735e96c8fb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

As mentioned previously, I can contribute $300 and don't need any of the
equipment.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


On Sun, July 6, 2025 10:08 am, W2HX wrote:
> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus
> shipping/transportation etc.
>
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England
> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-0
> 70625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>
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>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>
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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 14:44:11 2025
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 14:44:11 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+H6KC=5j8AqB3N30Sm5+NO7e317M-qK4HmqSxgi=SuWyOg2Hg@mail.gmail.com>

46?   A good number!

Anyone up for grabbing me a couple (4 ideally) i'd be most grateful...

Andy

On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 11:48?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
> Nick England K4NYW
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> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From riceboxjim at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 13:09:07 2025
From: riceboxjim at gmail.com (AlmostRiced)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 11:09:07 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE M19
Message-ID: <CALrKrD+UJ1rRX1Wo0MWEj36uJcnbXrAWrMmJvUOO=MikF1O_sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Moving out of state and it is not coming with me - many things with it, too
heavy and I'm too old.
Contact me W6TTY if you want it.......
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Sun Jul  6 15:36:10 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 14:36:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB882157A7A97867DDC9BEAD0BB54CA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
	<PH0PR12MB882157A7A97867DDC9BEAD0BB54CA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <550046ce-38a6-4a22-96b3-753c21c7921b@austin.rr.com>

I would still be in on these as before.? I will check on Monday AM with 
our shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 pallets to 
our shop just south of Austin, TX.? Could work on distribution from 
there.?? Just need to know who all is interested and who is going to bid 
on these, dont need to bid against each other.

John Hargett
   KG5YLG
   512-971-4148
   Hays CO CLO
   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club

On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus 
> shipping/transportation etc.
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 15:49:23 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 15:49:23 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Oh if you can handle the logistics, that would be super, John.
You can put me down for two of them.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 3:36?PM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I would still be in on these as before.  I will check on Monday AM with
> our shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 pallets to
> our shop just south of Austin, TX.  Could work on distribution from
> there.   Just need to know who all is interested and who is going to bid on
> these, dont need to bid against each other.
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>   512-971-4148
>   Hays CO CLO
>   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>
> On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
>
> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus
> shipping/transportation etc.
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
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From dave7 at cox.net  Sun Jul  6 15:52:56 2025
From: dave7 at cox.net (DAVID MCGEHEE)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 19:52:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Current Loop AFSK Demodulator and K0TTY TTY Motor
	Control Boards
References: <1074458900.352462.1751831576717.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1074458900.352462.1751831576717@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,This is Dave, K4MCG,New to GreenKeys and having a blast with mechanical TTY.Looking for spare boards to keep my system up and running.Any leads will be greatly appreciated.73,Dave
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From macbax1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 15:55:47 2025
From: macbax1 at gmail.com (Joe Clanin)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 14:55:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] FREE M19
In-Reply-To: <CALrKrD+UJ1rRX1Wo0MWEj36uJcnbXrAWrMmJvUOO=MikF1O_sQ@mail.gmail.com>
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To anyone nearby, Jim does some nice painting. Go get his machine(s)! His
Kleinschmidt restoration is very good.

I have no idea if this is the same one, but there are pictures on his
website: https://virhistory.com/ricebox/M19/M19.html

I wish I were closer!

-Joe

On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 1:53?PM AlmostRiced <riceboxjim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Moving out of state and it is not coming with me - many things with it,
> too heavy and I'm too old.
> Contact me W6TTY if you want it.......
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Sun Jul  6 16:05:47 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 15:05:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] 14-H TD
Message-ID: <9e18a7f3-5172-48b4-a2d1-6ed47caf42f3@austin.rr.com>

And if anybody is interested, I get? auction alerts for Schulman all the 
time, but first time to see anything TT related


https://schulmanauction.hibid.com/lot/252467176/teletype-corporation-14-h-transmitter-distributor?ref=catalog

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   KG5YLG
   


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From shumaker at att.net  Sun Jul  6 16:25:55 2025
From: shumaker at att.net (steve shumaker)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 13:25:55 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <550046ce-38a6-4a22-96b3-753c21c7921b@austin.rr.com>
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I'm good for two units with shipping to California

Steve Shumaker

On 7/6/25 12:36 PM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> I would still be in on these as before.? I will check on Monday AM 
> with our shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 
> pallets to our shop just south of Austin, TX.? Could work on 
> distribution from there.?? Just need to know who all is interested and 
> who is going to bid on these, dont need to bid against each other.
>
> John Hargett
>    KG5YLG
>    512-971-4148
>    Hays CO CLO
>    Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>    Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
> On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
>> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus 
>> shipping/transportation etc.
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
>> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>
>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
>> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
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>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com  Sun Jul  6 16:28:28 2025
From: rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com (rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 16:28:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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I'd commit to 2 if you can deal with the logistics.? I'm not planning to 
bid.? As you say no sense in bidding against each other.


ron

KA3JIJ



On 7/6/2025 3:36 PM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> I would still be in on these as before.? I will check on Monday AM 
> with our shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 
> pallets to our shop just south of Austin, TX.? Could work on 
> distribution from there.?? Just need to know who all is interested and 
> who is going to bid on these, dont need to bid against each other.
>
> John Hargett
>    KG5YLG
>    512-971-4148
>    Hays CO CLO
>    Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>    Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
> On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
>> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus 
>> shipping/transportation etc.
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
>> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>
>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
>> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
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From elb at kb8ojh.net  Sun Jul  6 17:39:52 2025
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 17:39:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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John Hargett wrote:
> I would still be in on these as before.? I will check on Monday AM with our
> shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 pallets to our
> shop just south of Austin, TX.? Could work on distribution from there.??
> Just need to know who all is interested and who is going to bid on these,
> dont need to bid against each other.

I'll commit to two.

Ethan

From joeduszynski1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 18:00:20 2025
From: joeduszynski1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Joe_Duszy=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 18:00:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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What is the pricing?

On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 5:41?PM Ethan Blanton via GreenKeys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> John Hargett wrote:
> > I would still be in on these as before.  I will check on Monday AM with our
> > shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 pallets to our
> > shop just south of Austin, TX.  Could work on distribution from there.
> > Just need to know who all is interested and who is going to bid on these,
> > dont need to bid against each other.
>
> I'll commit to two.
>
> Ethan
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 18:00:53 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 17:00:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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I would want 4, thank you!

-Eric


On Sun, Jul 6, 2025, 4:41?PM Ethan Blanton via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> John Hargett wrote:
> > I would still be in on these as before.  I will check on Monday AM with
> our
> > shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 pallets to our
> > shop just south of Austin, TX.  Could work on distribution from there.
> > Just need to know who all is interested and who is going to bid on these,
> > dont need to bid against each other.
>
> I'll commit to two.
>
> Ethan
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 18:04:10 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 17:04:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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We wont know until John hears from his shipping manager on Monday.

-Eric



On Sun, Jul 6, 2025, 5:01?PM Joe Duszy?ski <joeduszynski1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is the pricing?
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 5:41?PM Ethan Blanton via GreenKeys
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > John Hargett wrote:
> > > I would still be in on these as before.  I will check on Monday AM
> with our
> > > shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 pallets to
> our
> > > shop just south of Austin, TX.  Could work on distribution from there.
> > > Just need to know who all is interested and who is going to bid on
> these,
> > > dont need to bid against each other.
> >
> > I'll commit to two.
> >
> > Ethan
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From gregorymengell at comcast.net  Sun Jul  6 19:05:57 2025
From: gregorymengell at comcast.net (Greg Mengell)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 16:05:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] LOT of TELETYPES.
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Please put me down  for 2. 73 Gregory Mengell
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul  6 19:20:39 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 16:20:39 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Current Loop AFSK Demodulator and K0TTY TTY Motor
 Control Boards
In-Reply-To: <1074458900.352462.1751831576717@mail.yahoo.com>
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I still have a few more bare DSP TU boards free to good home. Details at
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/DspTU2/ . You'll need a way to program the chip,
such as https://www.microchip.com/en-us/development-tool/pg164100 .

Harold
https://w6iwi.org

On Sun, July 6, 2025 12:52 pm, DAVID MCGEHEE wrote:
> Hello,This is Dave, K4MCG,New to GreenKeys and having a blast with
> mechanical TTY.Looking for spare boards to keep my system up and
> running.Any leads will be greatly
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From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 19:27:38 2025
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 19:27:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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You can put me down for two including shipping to CT.
A trucker company would likely be happy to ship each pallet to different 
locations. Let's win the bid and figure details later!
73, John W1AN

On 06-Jul-25 16:25, steve shumaker wrote:
> I'm good for two units with shipping to California
> 
> Steve Shumaker
> 
> On 7/6/25 12:36 PM, John Hargett wrote:
>>
>> I would still be in on these as before.? I will check on Monday AM 
>> with our shipping manager to see if he can get me a price on all 8 
>> pallets to our shop just south of Austin, TX.? Could work on 
>> distribution from there.?? Just need to know who all is interested and 
>> who is going to bid on these, dont need to bid against each other.
>>
>> John Hargett
>>    KG5YLG
>>    512-971-4148
>>    Hays CO CLO
>>    Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>>    Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>> On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
>>> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus shipping/ 
>>> transportation etc.
>>>
>>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>>> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys- 
>>> bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>>
>>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail- 
>>> GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP- 
>>> FA-070625 <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938? 
>>> src=insideemail- 
>>> GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP- 
>>> FA-070625>
>>>
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>>
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>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Sun Jul  6 22:23:24 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 21:23:24 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] LOT of TELETYPES.
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Will confirm in the morning, but have an initial quote of $2635.00 for 
the truck from Las Vegas auction to Austin, Tx?? for all 8 pallets.? I 
am registered to bid,? and hopefully we can keep this a reasonable 
amount. If it stays at the min of 700, with auction fees, taxes, loading 
fee if any and shipping, we could be getting out for under $4k . Will 
see what we can do about distribution once lot is delivered , will keep 
cost as low as possible and figure best way to ship to those interested. 
 ? I should be able to store them for a good while as we have some 
pallet racking at work that is not yet all used. ? Will get my list 
together? of those that are interested? and reply back to those to 
confirm, and you can also email me direct to keep off the group email, 
or text at number below.? Email? call sign? at austin dot rr dot com.


 ?Here's to saving it from the scrap pile....

John Hargett
   KG5YLG
   512-971-4148
   Hays CO CLO
   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club

On 7/6/2025 6:05 PM, Greg Mengell via GreenKeys wrote:
> Please put me down? for 2. 73 Gregory Mengell
>
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>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From ve3gem at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 10:38:32 2025
From: ve3gem at gmail.com (Keith Densmore)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 10:38:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] LOT of TELETYPES.
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Please put me down for the cost of one machine. It's hard for me to lift
anything over 20 lbs. so I will probably donate it to someone else or just
lower the overall cost of the adventure.
Keith ve3gem

John Hargett kg5ylg at austin.rr.com via
<https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en> qth.net
Sun, Jul 6, 10:24?PM (12 hours ago)
to greenkeys

Will confirm in the morning, but have an initial quote of $2635.00 for the
truck from Las Vegas auction to Austin, Tx   for all 8 pallets.  I am
registered to bid,  and hopefully we can keep this a reasonable amount. If
it stays at the min of 700, with auction fees, taxes, loading fee if any
and shipping, we could be getting out for under $4k . Will see what we can
do about distribution once lot is delivered , will keep cost as low as
possible and figure best way to ship to those interested.   I should be
able to store them for a good while as we have some pallet racking at work
that is not yet all used.   Will get my list together  of those that are
interested  and reply back to those to confirm, and you can also email me
direct to keep off the group email, or text at number below.  Email  call
sign  at austin dot rr dot com.

On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 10:24?PM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Will confirm in the morning, but have an initial quote of $2635.00 for the
> truck from Las Vegas auction to Austin, Tx   for all 8 pallets.  I am
> registered to bid,  and hopefully we can keep this a reasonable amount. If
> it stays at the min of 700, with auction fees, taxes, loading fee if any
> and shipping, we could be getting out for under $4k . Will see what we can
> do about distribution once lot is delivered , will keep cost as low as
> possible and figure best way to ship to those interested.   I should be
> able to store them for a good while as we have some pallet racking at work
> that is not yet all used.   Will get my list together  of those that are
> interested  and reply back to those to confirm, and you can also email me
> direct to keep off the group email, or text at number below.  Email  call
> sign  at austin dot rr dot com.
>
>
>  Here's to saving it from the scrap pile....
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>   512-971-4148
>   Hays CO CLO
>   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>
> On 7/6/2025 6:05 PM, Greg Mengell via GreenKeys wrote:
>
> Please put me down  for 2. 73 Gregory Mengell
>
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> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 10:09:47 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 09:09:47 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Have a bid on the lot of pallets, have emailed those that have shown 
interest in at least one or contributing to the cause.? Will post later 
as the bid closes. Any one else interested in one or more of these, just 
let me know.

John Hargett
   KG5YLG

On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus 
> shipping/transportation etc.
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
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>
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From: zach.tumbusch at gmail.com (Zach Tumbusch)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 10:16:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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I am also interested and will commit to one or two of these units.  You can
put me on the list including shipping to OH.

Thanks 73,

-W8ZJT

On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 10:10?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Have a bid on the lot of pallets, have emailed those that have shown
> interest in at least one or contributing to the cause.  Will post later as
> the bid closes. Any one else interested in one or more of these, just let
> me know.
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>
> On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
>
> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus
> shipping/transportation etc.
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From ranickels at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 11:00:19 2025
From: ranickels at gmail.com (Robert Nickels)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 10:00:19 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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On 7/8/2025 9:09 AM, John Hargett wrote:
> have emailed those that have shown interest in at least one or 
> contributing to the cause. 

Hi John,

I sent you a private email but haven't heard back so please put me down 
for one also, thanks.

73, Bob W9RAN
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From pahp at d.umn.edu  Tue Jul  8 12:08:09 2025
From: pahp at d.umn.edu (Peter Peterson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 11:08:09 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Hi,

Please put me in for one unit -- I am in Duluth, MN (if a pallet ends up
going to the upper midwest), but also have contacts in Austin who could
ship or hold the unit for me.

Peter

On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 9:17?AM Zach Tumbusch <zach.tumbusch at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am also interested and will commit to one or two of these units.  You
> can put me on the list including shipping to OH.
>
> Thanks 73,
>
> -W8ZJT
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 10:10?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Have a bid on the lot of pallets, have emailed those that have shown
>> interest in at least one or contributing to the cause.  Will post later as
>> the bid closes. Any one else interested in one or more of these, just let
>> me know.
>>
>> John Hargett
>>   KG5YLG
>>
>> On 7/6/2025 12:08 PM, W2HX wrote:
>>
>> If anyone bids on the lot, count me in for one plus
>> shipping/transportation etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>>
>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>
>>
>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
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>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 15:18:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 20:28:06 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 19:28:06 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Well we got them.? I will make payment on them tonight and talk to our 
shipping logistics to get transportation set up to get them to me.? Once 
I have that tied down will let everyone know what we are looking at on 
final cost? per unit? and then once they get to me , will do an 
inventory and? quick check on condition of each and advise.? Will reply 
to all those that have shown an interest via direct email to keep? some 
of this of the list.? Looking forward to getting my hands on one or 
46..., nah just a couple will do.

John Hargett
   KG5YLG

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From dave.beck at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  8 20:46:15 2025
From: dave.beck at sbcglobal.net (Dave Beck)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 19:46:15 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 20:46:25 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 20:46:25 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Great job, John. Thanks a million.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 8:28?PM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Well we got them.  I will make payment on them tonight and talk to our
> shipping logistics to get transportation set up to get them to me.  Once I
> have that tied down will let everyone know what we are looking at on final
> cost  per unit  and then once they get to me , will do an inventory and
> quick check on condition of each and advise.  Will reply to all those that
> have shown an interest   via direct email to keep  some of this of the
> list.  Looking forward to getting my hands on one or 46..., nah just a
> couple will do.
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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>
> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 21:18:30 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 20:18:30 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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 ?I would love to get one or more to? any museum that has a space for 
one.? I think it would be great to have them where the public can see 
more of the equipment used? over the years.? I did a tour of the Collins 
facility in Cedar Rapids, wanted to leave with one of everything they 
had, and it gave me more inspiration to get some of the Collins gear i 
have back online, and maybe acquire a couple when I can.

 ??? Any of the museum curators that would be interested, please let me 
know.


 ??? Thanks to all of yall showing the interest in these machines, dont 
know if I could justify to the XYL a wall of these in the garage, but it 
would be cool....

John Hargett
   KG5YLG
   

On 7/8/2025 7:46 PM, Dave Beck wrote:
> Congratulations to all involved, Especially John Hargett for taking 
> the bull by the horns. It?s great to save these capable machines from 
> the scrap heap. I?d really like to see one in operation. I?m still on 
> the fence as to having space and time for one. It would be great to 
> get one to a nearby museum so it would have a long term home.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 8, 2025, at 7:28?PM, John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Well we got them.? I will make payment on them tonight and talk to 
>> our shipping logistics to get transportation set up to get them to 
>> me.? Once I have that tied down will let everyone know what we are 
>> looking at on final cost per unit? and then once they get to me , 
>> will do an inventory and? quick check on condition of each and 
>> advise.? Will reply to all those that have shown an interest?? via 
>> direct email to keep? some of this of the list.? Looking forward to 
>> getting my hands on one or 46..., nah just a couple will do.
>>
>> John Hargett
>>    KG5YLG
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
>>> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>>
>>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
>>> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>>>
>>> Nick England K4NYW
>>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>>
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 21:29:05 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 21:29:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Terrific!

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 21:19 John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

>  I would love to get one or more to  any museum that has a space for one.
> I think it would be great to have them where the public can see more of the
> equipment used  over the years.  I did a tour of the Collins facility in
> Cedar Rapids, wanted to leave with one of everything they had, and it gave
> me more inspiration to get some of the Collins gear i have back online, and
> maybe acquire a couple when I can.
>
>     Any of the museum curators that would be interested, please let me
> know.
>
>
>     Thanks to all of yall showing the interest in these machines, dont
> know if I could justify to the XYL a wall of these in the garage, but it
> would be cool....
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>
>
> On 7/8/2025 7:46 PM, Dave Beck wrote:
>
> Congratulations to all involved, Especially John Hargett for taking the
> bull by the horns. It?s great to save these capable machines from the scrap
> heap. I?d really like to see one in operation. I?m still on the fence as to
> having space and time for one. It would be great to get one to a nearby
> museum so it would have a long term home.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 8, 2025, at 7:28?PM, John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>
> <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Well we got them.  I will make payment on them tonight and talk to our
> shipping logistics to get transportation set up to get them to me.  Once I
> have that tied down will let everyone know what we are looking at on final
> cost  per unit  and then once they get to me , will do an inventory and
> quick check on condition of each and advise.  Will reply to all those that
> have shown an interest   via direct email to keep  some of this of the
> list.  Looking forward to getting my hands on one or 46..., nah just a
> couple will do.
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 10:37:08 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 10:37:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FWIW - Model 28 Mark I vs Mark II
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdrjfwG9Jt8tHwJRhjD47pW8CVh0m2Dh-mdrnOo746a2g@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW - The earliest 28KSR machines (Mark I) were delivered to the US Navy
as TT-47/UG. They were quickly replaced by the Mark II model TT-47A/UG. I
have never seen a Mark I Model 28 except in the 1950 manual.

Some differences between Mark I, Mark II, and Mark III are illustrated
here,
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28-mark.htm
I just added a section from the 1952 TT-47A manual listing differences from
the TT-47.

Nick England K4NYW
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From brad at bfayette.com  Tue Jul  8 13:03:29 2025
From: brad at bfayette.com (brad at bfayette.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2025 17:03:29 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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It looks like these are dot matrix printers.? Am I correct on this?? TIA.

Regards,
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From rttyelectronics at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 15:30:53 2025
From: rttyelectronics at yahoo.com (paul cembura)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] FWIW - Model 28 Mark I vs Mark II
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 I have a Mark I typing unit in my collection.
Paulmr_rtty

    On Wednesday, July 9, 2025 at 07:38:40 AM PDT, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 FWIW - The earliest 28KSR machines (Mark I) were delivered to the US Navy as TT-47/UG. They were quickly replaced by the Mark II model TT-47A/UG. I have never seen a Mark I Model 28 except in the 1950 manual.
Some differences between Mark I, Mark II, and Mark III are illustrated here,?https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/28-mark.htmI just added a section from the 1952 TT-47A manual listing differences from the TT-47.
Nick England K4NYW
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From bambi.page at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 20:34:23 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:34:23 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
Message-ID: <CAATx=07+Y2_5e7QdkEM1j6_+n_Bxi-OsL+6tVnxEGcGpRAECyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Attn: John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>

Hello John:

I emailed you directly but I am not sure they arrived.
I would be interested in 2 units.
Thank you
~byes~ bambi VK4AYL
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 12:21:34 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 12:21:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FWIW - UGC-136 teletypewriter videos
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is the UGC-136AX I restored several years ago
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm

receiving 60wpm (converted to 75 baud)
https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA

receiving 100wpm (75 baud)
https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M

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From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 13:26:44 2025
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:26:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I was researching where some of these machines were installed. They were 
in many cases replacing most the 28s that were considered 
"unsupportable" back in the late 1980s. For subs they were installed on 
the Seawolf, Los Angeles and Trident Class. Tridents had most of the AX 
versions.

 From Nov 1988 "Maritime Reporter" it appears the manufacturer was 
issued a contract to make additional AX units:

"E-Systems Received $2.3-Million Contract
E-Systems, Dallas, Texas, recently received a $2.3-million contract 
option exercised by the U.S. Navy for continued production of AN/ 
UGC-136 (AX) military teleprinters for use in the submarine fleet. The 
contract was awarded by the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command for 
110 teleprinters and ancillary services to be delivered in 1989. Work 
will be performed by the ECI Division, St. Petersburg, Fla. The initial 
contract was awarded to ECI in 1987."

Six years later in 1995 they were already starting to phase them out as 
part of a modernization to use PCs, laser printers, etc.

73, John W1AN

On 10-Jul-25 12:21, Nick England wrote:
> This is the UGC-136AX I restored several years ago
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm <https://www.navy-radio.com/ 
> tty/ugc136.htm>
> 
> receiving 60wpm (converted to 75 baud)
> https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA <https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA>
> 
> receiving 100wpm (75 baud)
> https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M <https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M>
> 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Thu Jul 10 13:46:11 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:46:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Message-ID: <1868977569.241329.1752169571056@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, based on what I read about them, they are pin-printers, essentially dot-matrix though there may be technical details under the name "dot matrix" that don't quite apply. These appear to have a much higher dot resolution than the basic dot-matrix machines we used to use for our home computers.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 08:19:18 AM MDT, brad at bfayette.com <brad at bfayette.com> wrote: 

It looks like these are dot matrix printers.? Am I correct on this?? TIA.

Regards,
Brad Fayette
Blessed?are?the?geeks,?for?they?shall?inherit?the?earth.
Sent from my MEK6800D1.

From shumaker at att.net  Thu Jul 10 13:52:44 2025
From: shumaker at att.net (steve shumaker)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:52:44 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] FWIW - UGC-136 teletypewriter videos
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa447a89-34b7-4837-add4-29fde39f245c@att.net>

Interesting info!? The ribbon cartridge looks unique.? Will that be an 
issue at some point?

Steve

On 7/10/25 9:21 AM, Nick England wrote:
> This is the UGC-136AX I restored several years ago
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>
> receiving 60wpm (converted to 75 baud)
> https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA
>
> receiving 100wpm (75 baud)
> https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Jul 10 14:03:04 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:03:04 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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On Thu, July 10, 2025 10:46 am, hwhall--- via GreenKeys wrote:
> Yes, based on what I read about them, they are pin-printers, essentially
> dot-matrix though there may be technical details under the name "dot
> matrix" that don't quite apply. These appear to have a much higher dot
> resolution than the basic dot-matrix machines we used to use for our home
> computers.
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM

I was always impressed with the type out of a Teletype model 43. They had
a 5x7 print head. Really nice looking text compared to the Extel that the
wire services were using.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 14:50:13 2025
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 14:50:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FWIW - UGC-136 teletypewriter videos
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 15:42:15 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 15:42:15 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FWIW - UGC-136 teletypewriter videos
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	<aa447a89-34b7-4837-add4-29fde39f245c@att.net>
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Yes, someone will probably need to model and 3D print some cartridges,
unless these units come with cartridges.
I have a spare cartridge to loan for whoever takes on that modeling task.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 1:53?PM steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:

> Interesting info!  The ribbon cartridge looks unique.  Will that be an
> issue at some point?
>
> Steve
>
> On 7/10/25 9:21 AM, Nick England wrote:
>
> This is the UGC-136AX I restored several years ago
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>
> receiving 60wpm (converted to 75 baud)
> https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA
>
> receiving 100wpm (75 baud)
> https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 16:02:14 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 16:02:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <2e9a32d0-1ed6-4948-9cd7-afae80066949@gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2e9a32d0-1ed6-4948-9cd7-afae80066949@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdENxR3nzn4O+p9kkX76vAqMMoPvXY6ruq-3SqrEakJEg@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting info, John.
In 2022 I got email from the supply officer of two Ohio-class SSBN (missile
sub) squadrons looking for UGC-136C cartridges since none were available
via the Defense Logistics Agency (or otherwise) any more. So they were
still using these teletypewriters back then (and in 2023 when I got email
from an SSBN sailor asking about best ink for re-inking).

I sent the Navy a care package of 25 used cartridges which had been given
to me by Glenn Little WB4UIV. Glenn saved them back when he was serving
aboard subs and they were just going to throw away the used cartridges. So
that was quite a circular supply chain!

Are they still using the UGC-136C model aboard boomers? I dunno.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 1:27?PM John Spigel <w1an.dxusa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was researching where some of these machines were installed. They were
> in many cases replacing most the 28s that were considered
> "unsupportable" back in the late 1980s. For subs they were installed on
> the Seawolf, Los Angeles and Trident Class. Tridents had most of the AX
> versions.
>
>  From Nov 1988 "Maritime Reporter" it appears the manufacturer was
> issued a contract to make additional AX units:
>
> "E-Systems Received $2.3-Million Contract
> E-Systems, Dallas, Texas, recently received a $2.3-million contract
> option exercised by the U.S. Navy for continued production of AN/
> UGC-136 (AX) military teleprinters for use in the submarine fleet. The
> contract was awarded by the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command for
> 110 teleprinters and ancillary services to be delivered in 1989. Work
> will be performed by the ECI Division, St. Petersburg, Fla. The initial
> contract was awarded to ECI in 1987."
>
> Six years later in 1995 they were already starting to phase them out as
> part of a modernization to use PCs, laser printers, etc.
>
> 73, John W1AN
>
> On 10-Jul-25 12:21, Nick England wrote:
> > This is the UGC-136AX I restored several years ago
> > https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm <https://www.navy-radio.com/
> > tty/ugc136.htm>
> >
> > receiving 60wpm (converted to 75 baud)
> > https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA <https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA>
> >
> > receiving 100wpm (75 baud)
> > https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M <https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M>
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
>
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Jul 10 18:19:57 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 15:19:57 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] DSP TU PCB FTGH
Message-ID: <d698ae930cbdce62bd06fc5e419d15ce.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

I am sending out some bare boards for my DSP TU project today. I have six
more of the latest revision that fits in a plastic box (see
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/DspTU3/ ). If you can make use of it, I'll send you
a main PCB, a front panel PCB, and a real panel PCB. I also have some rev
B boards for when I run out of rev C.

Let me know if you'd like one!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Thu Jul 10 19:04:58 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 19:04:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] DSP TU PCB FTGH
In-Reply-To: <d698ae930cbdce62bd06fc5e419d15ce.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <d698ae930cbdce62bd06fc5e419d15ce.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <CAHrdqDYPS7=JZunt-rasyF1cWg=OavrZwHUTFS+2TfdhVop0Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Very cool project.  And I love the last shot that shows the interior of the
cabinet.  Almost nothing there but that not-very-large TQFP package.
Compare that with TUs from the days of old !

Paul, ad7i



On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 6:21?PM Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I am sending out some bare boards for my DSP TU project today. I have six
> more of the latest revision that fits in a plastic box (see
> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/DspTU3/ ). If you can make use of it, I'll send you
> a main PCB, a front panel PCB, and a real panel PCB. I also have some rev
> B boards for when I run out of rev C.
>
> Let me know if you'd like one!
>
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
>
>
>
>
> --
> Not sent from an iPhone.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Jul 10 19:32:52 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 16:32:52 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] DSP TU PCB FTGH
In-Reply-To: <CAHrdqDYPS7=JZunt-rasyF1cWg=OavrZwHUTFS+2TfdhVop0Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d698ae930cbdce62bd06fc5e419d15ce.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<CAHrdqDYPS7=JZunt-rasyF1cWg=OavrZwHUTFS+2TfdhVop0Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc1c14e60887c2f8bb353b4f71208d42.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Thu, July 10, 2025 4:04 pm, Paul Newland, ad7i wrote:
> Very cool project.  And I love the last shot that shows the interior of
> the cabinet.  Almost nothing there but that not-very-large TQFP package.
> Compare that with TUs from the days of old !
>
>
> Paul, ad7i

Thanks! It's a fun project. There are links at the bottom of the page (
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/DspTU3/ ) to more notes. Next step on the project
is to write more code for the WiFi module. I also have to write a manual
for it.

Fun stuff!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



-- 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 19:44:19 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 23:44:19 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 print sample
Message-ID: <CAB55hNc9ZXG_zd5oCWe9g_pysz0N5A-hJmnsBvT7EjBwoYqtoQ@mail.gmail.com>

7x9
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ad-1.jpg
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Jul 10 20:00:43 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:00:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 print sample
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNc9ZXG_zd5oCWe9g_pysz0N5A-hJmnsBvT7EjBwoYqtoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNc9ZXG_zd5oCWe9g_pysz0N5A-hJmnsBvT7EjBwoYqtoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3fc0d122bee8f7060f5832e9d352a055.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Thu, July 10, 2025 4:44 pm, Nick England wrote:
> 7x9
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ad-1.jpg

That looks pretty good! I assume there is no lower case (as I recall,
these can do ASCII or Baudot). I think the Teletype model 43 looked a bit
better (and included lower case with descenders). Some model 43 output is
at https://bh.hallikainen.org/uploads/HfDrc190.pdf#page=14 .

 I've done a lot of projects using Unifont (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Unifont ) that uses either an 8x16 or a
16x16 bitmap for each glyph. In products I designed (before retiring a
few years ago), I included the first 65,535 Unix code points. That covers
upper and lower case ASCII plus a lot of glyphs for Japanese, Chinese,
Korean, Arabic, etc. In thos products, I wrote code that converted UTF-8
to 16 bit characters which then indexed into a 1 MB SPI flash to get the
bitmap. In the DSP TU, I used just the ASCII range (all glyphs 8x16) to
drive the display for the menus.

All fun stuff!

Harold



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From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 20:43:00 2025
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:43:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdENxR3nzn4O+p9kkX76vAqMMoPvXY6ruq-3SqrEakJEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2e9a32d0-1ed6-4948-9cd7-afae80066949@gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNdENxR3nzn4O+p9kkX76vAqMMoPvXY6ruq-3SqrEakJEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a255c98-a2bd-41bf-819f-06c47b525e8b@gmail.com>

A UGC-136 manual might be helpful:

https://ia801506.us.archive.org/9/items/nrf_ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010/ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010_text.pdf

Now after a few hours of study we'll be all set to go if they come with 
ribbon cartridges and AC line cords!

73, John W1AN

On 10-Jul-25 16:02, Nick England wrote:
> Interesting info, John.
> In 2022 I got email from the supply officer of two Ohio-class SSBN 
> (missile sub) squadrons looking for UGC-136C cartridges since none were 
> available via the Defense Logistics Agency (or otherwise) any more. So 
> they were still using these teletypewriters back then (and in 2023 when 
> I got email from an SSBN sailor asking about best ink for re-inking).
> 
> I sent the Navy a care package of 25 used cartridges which had been 
> given to me by Glenn Little WB4UIV. Glenn saved them back when he was 
> serving aboard subs and they were just going to throw away the used 
> cartridges. So that was quite a circular supply chain!
> 
> Are they still using the UGC-136C model aboard boomers? I dunno.
> 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 1:27?PM John Spigel <w1an.dxusa at gmail.com 
> <mailto:w1an.dxusa at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I was researching where some of these machines were installed. They
>     were
>     in many cases replacing most the 28s that were considered
>     "unsupportable" back in the late 1980s. For subs they were installed on
>     the Seawolf, Los Angeles and Trident Class. Tridents had most of the AX
>     versions.
> 
>      ?From Nov 1988 "Maritime Reporter" it appears the manufacturer was
>     issued a contract to make additional AX units:
> 
>     "E-Systems Received $2.3-Million Contract
>     E-Systems, Dallas, Texas, recently received a $2.3-million contract
>     option exercised by the U.S. Navy for continued production of AN/
>     UGC-136 (AX) military teleprinters for use in the submarine fleet. The
>     contract was awarded by the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command for
>     110 teleprinters and ancillary services to be delivered in 1989. Work
>     will be performed by the ECI Division, St. Petersburg, Fla. The initial
>     contract was awarded to ECI in 1987."
> 
>     Six years later in 1995 they were already starting to phase them out as
>     part of a modernization to use PCs, laser printers, etc.
> 
>     73, John W1AN
> 
>     On 10-Jul-25 12:21, Nick England wrote:
>      > This is the UGC-136AX I restored several years ago
>      > https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm <https://www.navy-
>     radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm> <https://www.navy-radio.com/ <https://
>     www.navy-radio.com/>
>      > tty/ugc136.htm>
>      >
>      > receiving 60wpm (converted to 75 baud)
>      > https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA <https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA>
>     <https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA <https://youtu.be/sSX5_5JRKiA>>
>      >
>      > receiving 100wpm (75 baud)
>      > https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M <https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M>
>     <https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M <https://youtu.be/hgFB3qeKQ5M>>
>      >
>      > Nick England K4NYW
>      > www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com> <http://www.navy-
>     radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>>
>      >
>      > ______________________________________________________________
> 


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 20:56:21 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 00:56:21 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ASCII print
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdm__9EQvbh2X12uzdnSphAPH0Uso4B5710fL6R+Om53w@mail.gmail.com>

Print sample ITA 5.
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 21:09:08 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 21:09:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <1a255c98-a2bd-41bf-819f-06c47b525e8b@gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdjTW4zRn1icxOk4ioH+ZrdQHxSA1Z7u59PN6vFvwzuZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2e9a32d0-1ed6-4948-9cd7-afae80066949@gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNdENxR3nzn4O+p9kkX76vAqMMoPvXY6ruq-3SqrEakJEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a255c98-a2bd-41bf-819f-06c47b525e8b@gmail.com>
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That is the A model manual archived from my web site.
The B model has some differences, including the one-line LED display to use
for editing.
Assuming the B manual shown in the auction photos is included in the
shipment, John will loan it to me for scanning and posting.

It would be fantastic if manual, cartridge, and line cord were included in
each box, but we will just have to see after Santa Claus delivers 8 pallets
full to John in Austin......

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 8:43?PM John Spigel <w1an.dxusa at gmail.com> wrote:

> A UGC-136 manual might be helpful:
>
>
> https://ia801506.us.archive.org/9/items/nrf_ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010/ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010_text.pdf
>
> Now after a few hours of study we'll be all set to go if they come with
> ribbon cartridges and AC line cords!
>
> 73, John W1AN
>
>
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Thu Jul 10 21:20:16 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 21:20:16 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 print sample
In-Reply-To: <3fc0d122bee8f7060f5832e9d352a055.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <CAB55hNc9ZXG_zd5oCWe9g_pysz0N5A-hJmnsBvT7EjBwoYqtoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3fc0d122bee8f7060f5832e9d352a055.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <CAHrdqDYcT1yQ2yW3tRFMcPaAus6dJoey1o62ywjNepJtCNmAsA@mail.gmail.com>

We had lots of Model 43 TTYs at Bell Labs in Holmdel.  The print was
beautiful, the keyboards had a terrific feel, and could be hefted and moved
by a single person.

And then glass terminals with Emacs came into prominence and the 43s (most
often used with Unix ed, a line oriented text editing program) were put in
a bin that the porters wheeled away, likely to the mechanical graveyard.
And I didn't even rescue one of them.  I had moved on to Emacs.

I still cry myself to sleep some nights when I think about that, 40+ years
later.

Paul, ad7i

On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 8:01?PM Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, July 10, 2025 4:44 pm, Nick England wrote:
> > 7x9
> > https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ad-1.jpg
>
> That looks pretty good! I assume there is no lower case (as I recall,
> these can do ASCII or Baudot). I think the Teletype model 43 looked a bit
> better (and included lower case with descenders). Some model 43 output is
> at https://bh.hallikainen.org/uploads/HfDrc190.pdf#page=14 .
>
>  I've done a lot of projects using Unifont (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Unifont ) that uses either an 8x16 or a
> 16x16 bitmap for each glyph. In products I designed (before retiring a
> few years ago), I included the first 65,535 Unix code points. That covers
> upper and lower case ASCII plus a lot of glyphs for Japanese, Chinese,
> Korean, Arabic, etc. In thos products, I wrote code that converted UTF-8
> to 16 bit characters which then indexed into a 1 MB SPI flash to get the
> bitmap. In the DSP TU, I used just the ASCII range (all glyphs 8x16) to
> drive the display for the menus.
>
> All fun stuff!
>
> Harold
>
>
>
> --
> Not sent from an iPhone.
> ______________________________________________________________
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> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Thu Jul 10 21:56:58 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:56:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ASCII print
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdm__9EQvbh2X12uzdnSphAPH0Uso4B5710fL6R+Om53w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdm__9EQvbh2X12uzdnSphAPH0Uso4B5710fL6R+Om53w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2300b5d1f117dcedc6f71565ec5f2d8.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

So, it DOES do lower case. But, I see there are no descenders on lower
case characters, which is pretty much not possible with a 7x9 matrix. But
I'm reading the Teletype 43 used a 5x7 print head, and it had nice
descenders as shown on the attached.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



On Thu, July 10, 2025 5:56 pm, Nick England wrote:
> Print sample ITA 5.
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Thu Jul 10 22:25:43 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:25:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 print sample
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From: dave.beck at sbcglobal.net (Dave Beck)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 21:26:13 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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From gblock at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 10 23:20:51 2025
From: gblock at sbcglobal.net (Gerry Block)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 03:20:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] DSP TU PCB FTGH
In-Reply-To: <d698ae930cbdce62bd06fc5e419d15ce.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <d698ae930cbdce62bd06fc5e419d15ce.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <1224140666.255217.1752204051388@mail.yahoo.com>

 What a beautiful job!
GerryAD6MC
    On Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 05:21:08 PM CDT, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 I am sending out some bare boards for my DSP TU project today. I have six
more of the latest revision that fits in a plastic box (see
https://w6iwi.org/rtty/DspTU3/ ). If you can make use of it, I'll send you
a main PCB, a front panel PCB, and a real panel PCB. I also have some rev
B boards for when I run out of rev C.

Let me know if you'd like one!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Fri Jul 11 00:40:55 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 00:40:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 print sample
In-Reply-To: <CB93BF8D-F7FB-438F-9BDA-528758EC564D@junknet.net>
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Hello Jeff --

Thanks for this very interesting story.  And yes, I will definitely sleep
better tonight knowing that you got one of the 43s !

73, Paul, ad7i



On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:25?PM Jeffrey Golas <jeffg at junknet.net> wrote:

> If it makes you feel any better, I grew up next to a place that likely
> dealt with that scrap. They were family friends (recyclers) and let me
> bring home stuff to mess with, including a 43 and a box of paper. Found it
> had a modem built in.
>
> Ended up getting banned from my computer for bad grades, and used the 43
> to get on my bbs to keep up my Tradewars game. (Yes it burned paper).
>
> Eventually it got scrapped but at least one had a final run lol.
>
> Now I have a 43 on the shelf awaiting repair some day. (Power supply
> issue).
>
> Jeff
>
> On Jul 10, 2025, at 9:21?PM, Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> We had lots of Model 43 TTYs at Bell Labs in Holmdel.  The print was
> beautiful, the keyboards had a terrific feel, and could be hefted and moved
> by a single person.
>
> And then glass terminals with Emacs came into prominence and the 43s (most
> often used with Unix ed, a line oriented text editing program) were put in
> a bin that the porters wheeled away, likely to the mechanical graveyard.
> And I didn't even rescue one of them.  I had moved on to Emacs.
>
> I still cry myself to sleep some nights when I think about that, 40+ years
> later.
>
> Paul, ad7i
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 8:01?PM Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, July 10, 2025 4:44 pm, Nick England wrote:
>> > 7x9
>> > https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ad-1.jpg
>>
>> That looks pretty good! I assume there is no lower case (as I recall,
>> these can do ASCII or Baudot). I think the Teletype model 43 looked a bit
>> better (and included lower case with descenders). Some model 43 output is
>> at https://bh.hallikainen.org/uploads/HfDrc190.pdf#page=14 .
>>
>>  I've done a lot of projects using Unifont (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Unifont ) that uses either an 8x16 or a
>> 16x16 bitmap for each glyph. In products I designed (before retiring a
>> few years ago), I included the first 65,535 Unix code points. That covers
>> upper and lower case ASCII plus a lot of glyphs for Japanese, Chinese,
>> Korean, Arabic, etc. In thos products, I wrote code that converted UTF-8
>> to 16 bit characters which then indexed into a 1 MB SPI flash to get the
>> bitmap. In the DSP TU, I used just the ASCII range (all glyphs 8x16) to
>> drive the display for the menus.
>>
>> All fun stuff!
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 11 06:39:50 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 06:39:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <7897B556-6D15-4C69-B91F-FE3EA68414C1@sbcglobal.net>
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They are selling a CD with the 136A manual pdf from my site.
On CD.
Or you can download it for free.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:26?PM Dave Beck <dave.beck at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As it turns out, the manual is for sale on eBay. It?s $15 in single lots
> and $12 in larger quantities.
>
> [image: s-l400.jpg]
>
> 183 Page 1983 Navy E110 UGC136AX TELETYPEWRITER SET AN/UGC-136AX Manual on
> CD <https://ebay.us/m/XyEe0q>
> ebay.us <https://ebay.us/m/XyEe0q>
> <https://ebay.us/m/XyEe0q>
>
> Dave Beck. W9RAG
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 10, 2025, at 8:09?PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> That is the A model manual archived from my web site.
> The B model has some differences, including the one-line LED display to
> use for editing.
> Assuming the B manual shown in the auction photos is included in the
> shipment, John will loan it to me for scanning and posting.
>
> It would be fantastic if manual, cartridge, and line cord were included in
> each box, but we will just have to see after Santa Claus delivers 8 pallets
> full to John in Austin......
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 8:43?PM John Spigel <w1an.dxusa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A UGC-136 manual might be helpful:
>>
>>
>> https://ia801506.us.archive.org/9/items/nrf_ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010/ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010_text.pdf
>>
>> Now after a few hours of study we'll be all set to go if they come with
>> ribbon cartridges and AC line cords!
>>
>> 73, John W1AN
>>
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From pahp at d.umn.edu  Fri Jul 11 09:41:04 2025
From: pahp at d.umn.edu (Peter Peterson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 08:41:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Hi all,

I work at a university with a print shop, and we regularly have them print
and spiral bind old manuals (along with a clear plastic cover and black
back) for our TTY and PDP-12 adventures. If there aren't manuals with each,
and people want, I could look into bulk duplication and binding pricing for
those who want hard copies. (Paper is still nice for notes and I don't mind
if it gets a little greasy, etc.)

Peter

Peter A. H. Peterson, Ph.D. (he/him)
Associate Professor
Department of Computer Science
University of Minnesota Duluth (land acknowledgment
<https://about.d.umn.edu/campus-history/land>)


On Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 8:09?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is the A model manual archived from my web site.
> The B model has some differences, including the one-line LED display to
> use for editing.
> Assuming the B manual shown in the auction photos is included in the
> shipment, John will loan it to me for scanning and posting.
>
> It would be fantastic if manual, cartridge, and line cord were included in
> each box, but we will just have to see after Santa Claus delivers 8 pallets
> full to John in Austin......
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 8:43?PM John Spigel <w1an.dxusa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A UGC-136 manual might be helpful:
>>
>>
>> https://ia801506.us.archive.org/9/items/nrf_ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010/ugc136ax-EE161-HA-OMI-010_text.pdf
>>
>> Now after a few hours of study we'll be all set to go if they come with
>> ribbon cartridges and AC line cords!
>>
>> 73, John W1AN
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
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> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 11 17:44:12 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wanted - SA-1794/UG teletype switchbox
Message-ID: <CAB55hNe_P-YhdjTNwOqHtu_uSO1Scvjguco5vZwbX=BievuuGg@mail.gmail.com>

 Wanted - SA-1794/UG teletype switchbox
https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/patch/sa1794-ug-1510-02.jpg

Used for switching low-level (+/-6v) teletype signals.
I keep accumulating low-level gear and need another switchbox to hook them
together.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From m38inmaine at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 09:15:09 2025
From: m38inmaine at gmail.com (MilComm Guy)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:15:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] RATT Net today 7/12
Message-ID: <CAGzJkdwUncUmiFxTAGRiF8QqsKJ87barqfLkcLvBGGm5c8pxzw@mail.gmail.com>

On one of my rare Saturday days off I gave the net a try, multiple problems
of course would show up.  The band was not happy, I could not hear Pete at
all, I moved all my gear into my son's vacated room recently and never
thought about updating the outlets, still on a 15A circuit, when I was tx
and typing on the M28 it blew the house panel breaker.  I hastily ran an
extension cord for the M28 to another room and that fixed that issue but
could not overcome band conditions.  The M28 was surging(before I lost
power as well) and acting like it had an internal bad connection, if I
tapped the outside of the cabinet it did the same thing so that needs
investigation.  I switched over to the MITE for the final minute or so.

I did copy Nick, Ron and W1SIM who was solid most of the time and I did see
where he said he copied me.

73
K1HF
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 11:31:12 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 11:31:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Wanted - SA-1794/UG teletype switchbox
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNe_P-YhdjTNwOqHtu_uSO1Scvjguco5vZwbX=BievuuGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMyt5ORpGQOjBwODT2uRiNiYc9fn49k-o9Exv5xBa22PGqyGEQ@mail.gmail.com>

I presume the UGC-136 does will come with a power cord ...
FWICT the MS3116F14-5SW the right plug. Does anyone know if that is the
case?

Michael


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From aa6rk at aol.com  Sat Jul 12 12:56:52 2025
From: aa6rk at aol.com (AA6RK)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 16:56:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 15 Teletypwriters
References: <1345592513.784119.1752339412805.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1345592513.784119.1752339412805@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All...
?I have 2 Model 15 Teletypwriters for sale. Both are operating and each have a modem. Lots of extras! $500 cash takes both. Local pick up in Central Texas. Thanks, Bob? AA6RK?
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Sun Jul 13 12:22:04 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2025 11:22:04 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Message-ID: <bec1df46-db17-49ec-baec-42f15ca41205@austin.rr.com>

Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone 
received so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.? 
Requests for machines have exceeded qty of machines.


So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday 
after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that they 
area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am reaching 
out to the group, mainly those asking for more than one machine, if you 
are willing to give up some of your extra machines to allow everyone to 
get one.? I had 3 for myself, and was going to give at least one to a 
museum, but will be passing one to the AWA museum and one to SAMSAT in 
San Antonio. We are still short on machines compared to requests.? 
Currently have 39-41 requests, and only 46 machines.? I am? keeping the 
time stamp of the emails, so if it comes down to it, that is the way 
they will be distributed. I wish we had 2 or 3 more pallets of these, 
but we have to work with what we are getting.

I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines 
for now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will then 
list how many are available and distribute those accordingly to either 
late request that have come in , or offer up to those that were after 
more than one.


 ?I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of 
current spreed sheet attached for reference.? As far as shipping, once I 
get a solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.? Might 
be easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me the 
shipping label, but we can talk about this next week.? As I have 
mentioned to one member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in 
August or September and could bring them with me for one or more to meet 
me and help with distributing them in that area.? Have plenty of room as 
will be driving F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo console my son 
picked up for me.? Again, we can work this all out.

John Hargett
   KG5YLG
   512-971-4148
   Hays CO CLO
   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Mon Jul 14 11:25:27 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 10:25:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Well, Santa has arrived, granted he was from Serbia, but all arrived 
intact.? Boxes are 31 x 25 x 18 1nd will get one off the pallet later 
today to put on the scale, but? can figure for now 79 lbs per the 
manual.? ?Most boxes are factory sealed, but there are 2 open boxes with 
no packing material and then several I can se that have been re-taped.? 
 ?The one box I opened from factory seal , the unit is vacuum packed in 
static bag and then surrounded by expanding foam shipping bag.? Will go 
thru them all hopefully today after I get off work and? start? getting 
them ready to go. Will send a later email with my paypal or venmo for 
payment for the unit and freight getting them to me to .


 ? ? So far looks like there is only one manual, will get that of to 
Nick to scan , or I might dig out my duplex scanner and see if it still 
works.? One way or another will get it scanned so all can have a copy.


73

John H

KG5YLG

On 7/13/2025 11:22 AM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone 
> received so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.? 
> Requests for machines have exceeded qty of machines.
>
>
> So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday 
> after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that 
> they area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am 
> reaching out to the group, mainly those asking for more than one 
> machine, if you are willing to give up some of your extra machines to 
> allow everyone to get one.? I had 3 for myself, and was going to give 
> at least one to a museum, but will be passing one to the AWA museum 
> and one to SAMSAT in San Antonio.? We are still short on machines 
> compared to requests. Currently have 39-41 requests, and only 46 
> machines.? I am keeping the time stamp of the emails, so if it comes 
> down to it, that is the way they will be distributed. I wish we had 2 
> or 3 more pallets of these, but we have to work with what we are getting.
>
> I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines 
> for now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will 
> then list how many are available and distribute those accordingly to 
> either late request that have come in , or offer up to those that were 
> after more than one.
>
>
> ?I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of 
> current spreed sheet attached for reference.? As far as shipping, once 
> I get a solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.? 
> Might be easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me 
> the shipping label, but we can talk about this next week.? As I have 
> mentioned to one member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in 
> August or September and could bring them with me for one or more to 
> meet me and help with distributing them in that area.? Have plenty of 
> room as will be driving F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo 
> console my son picked up for me.? Again, we can work this all out.
>
> John Hargett
>    KG5YLG
>    512-971-4148
>    Hays CO CLO
>    Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>    Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England 
>> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>
>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625 
>> <https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625>
>>
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>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 12:15:37 2025
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 12:15:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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awesome progress - cannot wait!

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:25?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, Santa has arrived, granted he was from Serbia, but all arrived
> intact.  Boxes are 31 x 25 x 18 1nd will get one off the pallet later today
> to put on the scale, but  can figure for now 79 lbs per the manual.   Most
> boxes are factory sealed, but there are 2 open boxes with no packing
> material and then several I can se that have been re-taped.   The one box I
> opened from factory seal , the unit is vacuum packed in static bag and then
> surrounded by expanding foam shipping bag.  Will go thru them all hopefully
> today after I get off work and  start  getting them ready to go.  Will send
> a later email with my paypal or venmo for payment for the unit and freight
> getting them to me to .
>
>
>     So far looks like there is only one manual, will get that of to Nick
> to scan , or I might dig out my duplex scanner and see if it still works.
> One way or another will get it scanned so all can have a copy.
>
>
> 73
>
> John H
>
> KG5YLG
> On 7/13/2025 11:22 AM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone received
> so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.  Requests for
> machines have exceeded qty of machines.
>
>
> So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday
> after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that they
> area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am reaching out
> to the group, mainly those asking for more than one machine, if you are
> willing to give up some of your extra machines to allow everyone to get
> one.  I had 3 for myself, and was going to give at least one to a museum,
> but will be passing one to the AWA museum and one to SAMSAT in San
> Antonio.  We are still short on machines compared to requests.  Currently
> have 39-41 requests, and only 46 machines.  I am  keeping the time stamp of
> the emails, so if it comes down to it, that is the way they will be
> distributed. I wish we had 2 or 3 more pallets of these, but we have to
> work with what we are getting.
>
> I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines for
> now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will then list
> how many are available and distribute those accordingly to either late
> request that have come in , or offer up to those that were after more than
> one.
>
>
>  I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of current
> spreed sheet attached for reference.  As far as shipping, once I get a
> solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.  Might be
> easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me the shipping
> label, but we can talk about this next week.  As I have mentioned to one
> member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in August or September
> and could bring them with me for one or more to meet me and help with
> distributing them in that area.  Have plenty of room as will be driving
> F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo console my son picked up for me.
> Again, we can work this all out.
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>   512-971-4148
>   Hays CO CLO
>   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 12:44:50 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 12:44:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Hi John,
  Is the ribbon and power cable included in the box?

Michael

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:25?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, Santa has arrived, granted he was from Serbia, but all arrived
> intact.  Boxes are 31 x 25 x 18 1nd will get one off the pallet later today
> to put on the scale, but  can figure for now 79 lbs per the manual.   Most
> boxes are factory sealed, but there are 2 open boxes with no packing
> material and then several I can se that have been re-taped.   The one box I
> opened from factory seal , the unit is vacuum packed in static bag and then
> surrounded by expanding foam shipping bag.  Will go thru them all hopefully
> today after I get off work and  start  getting them ready to go.  Will send
> a later email with my paypal or venmo for payment for the unit and freight
> getting them to me to .
>
>
>     So far looks like there is only one manual, will get that of to Nick
> to scan , or I might dig out my duplex scanner and see if it still works.
> One way or another will get it scanned so all can have a copy.
>
>
> 73
>
> John H
>
> KG5YLG
> On 7/13/2025 11:22 AM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone received
> so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.  Requests for
> machines have exceeded qty of machines.
>
>
> So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday
> after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that they
> area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am reaching out
> to the group, mainly those asking for more than one machine, if you are
> willing to give up some of your extra machines to allow everyone to get
> one.  I had 3 for myself, and was going to give at least one to a museum,
> but will be passing one to the AWA museum and one to SAMSAT in San
> Antonio.  We are still short on machines compared to requests.  Currently
> have 39-41 requests, and only 46 machines.  I am  keeping the time stamp of
> the emails, so if it comes down to it, that is the way they will be
> distributed. I wish we had 2 or 3 more pallets of these, but we have to
> work with what we are getting.
>
> I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines for
> now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will then list
> how many are available and distribute those accordingly to either late
> request that have come in , or offer up to those that were after more than
> one.
>
>
>  I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of current
> spreed sheet attached for reference.  As far as shipping, once I get a
> solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.  Might be
> easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me the shipping
> label, but we can talk about this next week.  As I have mentioned to one
> member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in August or September
> and could bring them with me for one or more to meet me and help with
> distributing them in that area.  Have plenty of room as will be driving
> F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo console my son picked up for me.
> Again, we can work this all out.
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>   512-971-4148
>   Hays CO CLO
>   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>
> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>
>
> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From coryheisterkamp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 13:51:41 2025
From: coryheisterkamp at gmail.com (Cory Heisterkamp)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 12:51:41 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 Midwest Pony-Express
Message-ID: <E6EE3D23-941A-49A9-906D-DD536615ACB1@gmail.com>

For those interested parties, I did shoot John a message and let him know that I?d be willing to hold (for a reasonable amount of time) any of these TTY?s for midwest folks that are unable to meet him in Cedar Rapids when he?s coming through. I live an hour north of CR near Waterloo, IA, which puts me 4 hours south of the twin cities, and 4 hours west of Chicago. I?m also planning on attending VCFMW this September in Schaumburg, IL and would be happy to meet up there for hand-off. Just throwing that out there in the hopes it eases the burden. John has really gone above and beyond here!  -Cory


From magwheels54 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 13 12:59:25 2025
From: magwheels54 at yahoo.com (Andrew Hager)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2025 11:59:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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Hi John

My address is:
Andrew Hager
2050 Prairie Meadow Dr
Mosinee, WI 54455
Cell phone: 734-855-5247
Call Sign: KD9TYC

I?m still interested in the one UGC-136 I requested earlier as I currently don?t have an ASCII type machine or method nor do I have the ability to operate at 100 wpm.

I might be in the Cedar Rapids, IA area for my regular job that week. But let me know when you?re there.

Thanks for doing this for us.

73
Andy
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2025, at 11:22 AM, John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone received so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.  Requests for machines have exceeded qty of machines. 
> 
> 
> 
> So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that they area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am reaching out to the group, mainly those asking for more than one machine, if you are willing to give up some of your extra machines to allow everyone to get one.  I had 3 for myself, and was going to give at least one to a museum, but will be passing one to the AWA museum and one to SAMSAT in San Antonio.  We are still short on machines compared to requests.  Currently have 39-41 requests, and only 46 machines.  I am  keeping the time stamp of the emails, so if it comes down to it, that is the way they will be distributed. I wish we had 2 or 3 more pallets of these, but we have to work with what we are getting. 
> 
> I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines for now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will then list how many are available and distribute those accordingly to either late request that have come in , or offer up to those that were after more than one.  
> 
> 
> 
>  I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of current spreed sheet attached for reference.  As far as shipping, once I get a solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.  Might be easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me the shipping label, but we can talk about this next week.  As I have mentioned to one member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in August or September and could bring them with me for one or more to meet me and help with distributing them in that area.  Have plenty of room as will be driving F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo console my son picked up for me.  Again, we can work this all out.
> 
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>   512-971-4148
>   Hays CO CLO
>   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>>  
>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>> 
>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
>> 
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>> www.navy-radio.com
>> 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 13 19:16:43 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2025 19:16:43 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU
Message-ID: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>

I'm checking out a M28KSR that looks like it has had some major rewiring 
done to it.

All the jumpers that are normally on terminals 4-14 of the cabinet 
terminal blocks have been removed.? There were two, 4 conductor, 
external cables connected to the cabinet terminal block, all 
unterminated, except for a 2k power resistor (loop current limiter) 
connected across? C10-C11.

I see no designator on the LESU and the color codes of the cable from 
the LESU to to c5 - c14 do not match the colors I see on 2874WD (or any 
others).? The LESU has what looks like a Line Shunt Relay, a 120VDC 
power supply (with monitor jack), a Motor-Stop relay and an 120VAC input 
panel ( lamp switch & fuses). See picture enclosed.

Can anyone identify this LESU?

I tried to remove the LESU by removing the big screws.? The LESU was 
loose, but would not come out, apparently because of the front panel 
power switch extension mechanism.? I expected it to disengage when I 
lifted up the LESU, but it did not.? Is there something in the switch 
extension mechanism that has to be removed/released?


Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ



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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 14:18:54 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 13:18:54 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 Midwest Pony-Express
In-Reply-To: <E6EE3D23-941A-49A9-906D-DD536615ACB1@gmail.com>
References: <E6EE3D23-941A-49A9-906D-DD536615ACB1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er56aocaP8DOESR91W4TrhywnKSsdUiorETdcu6OBDnBsHA@mail.gmail.com>

I will be exhibiting a range of teletypes at VCFMW. I was hoping to
get the machines before the conference so I can have them wired up and
operational for the show.

If you would please let me know when you expect to get them to
Waterloo, I can try and drive out and pick up my set to bring home, or
we can find other arrangements if more people are in the Chicagoland
or surrounds.

-Eric

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 12:55?PM Cory Heisterkamp
<coryheisterkamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For those interested parties, I did shoot John a message and let him know that I?d be willing to hold (for a reasonable amount of time) any of these TTY?s for midwest folks that are unable to meet him in Cedar Rapids when he?s coming through. I live an hour north of CR near Waterloo, IA, which puts me 4 hours south of the twin cities, and 4 hours west of Chicago. I?m also planning on attending VCFMW this September in Schaumburg, IL and would be happy to meet up there for hand-off. Just throwing that out there in the hopes it eases the burden. John has really gone above and beyond here!  -Cory
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 15:03:59 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 15:03:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU
In-Reply-To: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
References: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdit1bqHbN=ivqMGNZgxBFiLMz8QskjY-qHSqUkeEcQDQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Seeing the cloth-covered wires made me think it was an early model. I have
a TT-47A with a LESU that looks very similar except no loop supply which
looks like a ham add-on.
The TT-47A LESU is Navy model SB-154A. Teletype model LESU5/103
Manual is at
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/tt47a-91713-5207.pdf

Wiring diagrams 2852WD and 2853WD are in 573-100-400
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-100-400.pdf

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:59?PM Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> I'm checking out a M28KSR that looks like it has had some major rewiring
> done to it.
>
> All the jumpers that are normally on terminals 4-14 of the cabinet
> terminal blocks have been removed.  There were two, 4 conductor, external
> cables connected to the cabinet terminal block, all unterminated, except
> for a 2k power resistor (loop current limiter) connected across  C10-C11.
>
> I see no designator on the LESU and the color codes of the cable from the
> LESU to to c5 - c14 do not match the colors I see on 2874WD (or any
> others).  The LESU has what looks like a Line Shunt Relay, a 120VDC power
> supply (with monitor jack), a Motor-Stop relay and an 120VAC input panel (
> lamp switch & fuses). See picture enclosed.
>
> Can anyone identify this LESU?
>
> I tried to remove the LESU by removing the big screws.  The LESU was
> loose, but would not come out, apparently because of the front panel power
> switch extension mechanism.  I expected it to disengage when I lifted up
> the LESU, but it did not.  Is there something in the switch extension
> mechanism that has to be removed/released?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 15:15:50 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 15:15:50 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdit1bqHbN=ivqMGNZgxBFiLMz8QskjY-qHSqUkeEcQDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
	<CAB55hNdit1bqHbN=ivqMGNZgxBFiLMz8QskjY-qHSqUkeEcQDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcc2htVf1Yn2cVgamHsOUANn8oBoOXbFvi6j3WyMAXuaA@mail.gmail.com>

Huh - the Navy manual does not show a loop supply, but the referenced
2852WD does (and says LESU5/110)
I dunno - maybe they got confused back in 1953....
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 3:03?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seeing the cloth-covered wires made me think it was an early model. I have
> a TT-47A with a LESU that looks very similar except no loop supply which
> looks like a ham add-on.
> The TT-47A LESU is Navy model SB-154A. Teletype model LESU5/103
> Manual is at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/tt47a-91713-5207.pdf
>
> Wiring diagrams 2852WD and 2853WD are in 573-100-400
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-100-400.pdf
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:59?PM Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm checking out a M28KSR that looks like it has had some major rewiring
>> done to it.
>>
>> All the jumpers that are normally on terminals 4-14 of the cabinet
>> terminal blocks have been removed.  There were two, 4 conductor, external
>> cables connected to the cabinet terminal block, all unterminated, except
>> for a 2k power resistor (loop current limiter) connected across  C10-C11.
>>
>> I see no designator on the LESU and the color codes of the cable from the
>> LESU to to c5 - c14 do not match the colors I see on 2874WD (or any
>> others).  The LESU has what looks like a Line Shunt Relay, a 120VDC power
>> supply (with monitor jack), a Motor-Stop relay and an 120VAC input panel (
>> lamp switch & fuses). See picture enclosed.
>>
>> Can anyone identify this LESU?
>>
>> I tried to remove the LESU by removing the big screws.  The LESU was
>> loose, but would not come out, apparently because of the front panel power
>> switch extension mechanism.  I expected it to disengage when I lifted up
>> the LESU, but it did not.  Is there something in the switch extension
>> mechanism that has to be removed/released?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From wa4mnt at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 15:59:04 2025
From: wa4mnt at gmail.com (Ken LoCasale)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 15:59:04 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Volpe Demodulator pcb
Message-ID: <e9cb9187-4e0d-426b-8849-62728fcef828@gmail.com>

Gang,

For any of the newbies out there, the Volpe four shift clone demodulator 
bare pc board is still available for anyone that wants one. Just drop me 
a line at wa4mnt at gmail.com.

Details at: https://qrpbuilder.com/volpe-rtty-demodulator-revisited

73,

ken - wa4mnt

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 14 18:31:54 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:31:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU
In-Reply-To: <1286061a-740a-3568-f5ca-bb1876671189@tapr.org>
References: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
	<1286061a-740a-3568-f5ca-bb1876671189@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <f30625ef-7906-4149-932a-9db9a08aff9f@earthlink.net>

John,

That looks like the right schematic!

Nick had identified it as an early Navy unit, TT-47 (actually a TT-69, 
since it is a table model) and sent me to the manual, NAVSHIPS 91713, 
which shows the LESU wiring color codes (fig 3-3) that matches this unit.

Nick - you questioned the DC supply ("rectifier") in this LESU. In 
NAVSHIPS 91713, p 1-12, there is a note about an optional rectifier an 
it shows up in fig 3-1.

The military nomenclature plate had been removed, or I would have known 
where to look for documentation.? I can see a spot on the cabinet under 
the keyboard, where a label has been removed. there is also a red 
inspection? stamp that looks military?? ?See pic.

Thanks!!!

Duncan
K2OEQ






On 7/14/2025 4:36 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> I see you have the 3 terminal strip version, this might be closer?
>
> From from page 3 of
>
> https://navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-133-400-6404.pdf (wonder where 
> page 2 went?)
>
> The long rod for the power switch has a groove in the end of it that 
> keeps it in a hole in the LESU frame.?? The rod also runs through a 
> spring attached to the cradle.? I usually try to wiggle the rod back 
> and forth to get it out of the hole and leave the spring in place.
>
> My approach would be to check wire colors on the bottom side of the 
> terminal strips to see if they are per the schematic.? A general 
> thought is that the jumpers on the top side configure the 
> interconnections of the parts in the LESU.? (take that withe a grain 
> of salt).
>
> On 7/13/2025 6:16 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> I'm checking out a M28KSR that looks like it has had some major 
>> rewiring done to it.
>>
>> All the jumpers that are normally on terminals 4-14 of the cabinet 
>> terminal blocks have been removed.? There were two, 4 conductor, 
>> external cables connected to the cabinet terminal block, all 
>> unterminated, except for a 2k power resistor (loop current limiter) 
>> connected across? C10-C11.
>>
>> I see no designator on the LESU and the color codes of the cable from 
>> the LESU to to c5 - c14 do not match the colors I see on 2874WD (or 
>> any others).? The LESU has what looks like a Line Shunt Relay, a 
>> 120VDC power supply (with monitor jack), a Motor-Stop relay and an 
>> 120VAC input panel ( lamp switch & fuses). See picture enclosed.
>>
>> Can anyone identify this LESU?
>>
>> I tried to remove the LESU by removing the big screws.? The LESU was 
>> loose, but would not come out, apparently because of the front panel 
>> power switch extension mechanism.? I expected it to disengage when I 
>> lifted up the LESU, but it did not.? Is there something in the switch 
>> extension mechanism that has to be removed/released?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>
> -- 
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
>
> John, W9DDD
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Mon Jul 14 21:29:34 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:29:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU
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References: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
	<1286061a-740a-3568-f5ca-bb1876671189@tapr.org>
	<f30625ef-7906-4149-932a-9db9a08aff9f@earthlink.net>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 14 22:02:47 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:02:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU
In-Reply-To: <3d447cd3-d1d6-a7f1-0627-8874b7820fbf@tapr.org>
References: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
	<1286061a-740a-3568-f5ca-bb1876671189@tapr.org>
	<f30625ef-7906-4149-932a-9db9a08aff9f@earthlink.net>
	<3d447cd3-d1d6-a7f1-0627-8874b7820fbf@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <dcbb94ad-455b-41da-bb5e-112a46bd51f6@earthlink.net>

John,

The metal plate the PS is mounted on looks the same as the others, so I 
think it is stock Teleype Corp., but may not be original to this TT-69A

Duncan

On 7/14/2025 9:29 PM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>
> I looked at that power supply and kind of wondered if it were 
> homemade?? One could have taken a blank plate and made their own.? I 
> say that without having seen real older versions of Teletype or 
> military power supplies, but none I've ever seen look like that one. 
> Teletype versions mount the transformers differently.? However it does 
> look to be well made.
>
>
> On 7/14/2025 5:31 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> That looks like the right schematic!
>>
>> Nick had identified it as an early Navy unit, TT-47 (actually a 
>> TT-69, since it is a table model) and sent me to the manual, NAVSHIPS 
>> 91713, which shows the LESU wiring color codes (fig 3-3) that matches 
>> this unit.
>>
>> Nick - you questioned the DC supply ("rectifier") in this LESU.? In 
>> NAVSHIPS 91713, p 1-12, there is a note about an optional rectifier 
>> an it shows up in fig 3-1.
>>
>> The military nomenclature plate had been removed, or I would have 
>> known where to look for documentation.? I can see a spot on the 
>> cabinet under the keyboard, where a label has been removed. there is 
>> also a red inspection? stamp that looks military?? ?See pic.
>>
>> Thanks!!!
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>>
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From js at teletype.net  Mon Jul 14 23:58:06 2025
From: js at teletype.net (Jordan Spencer Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 21:58:06 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <EFE3D2E3-565E-4FAE-8499-0CD868E4DDF4@yahoo.com>
References: <bec1df46-db17-49ec-baec-42f15ca41205@austin.rr.com>
	<EFE3D2E3-565E-4FAE-8499-0CD868E4DDF4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94a019df-f0a4-4b3d-9ea6-66adf37c244c@app.fastmail.com>

I've been busy and missed all this back and forth.

Sounds like most/all the machines are accounted for, but if not, I wouldn't mind giving one a home.

More importantly, If it's easier and cheaper to ship one or two pallets out to this part of the country (Utah) for distribution to other westerners, I would be happy to pick up the pallets from a shipping center (usually saves $100+ on delivery over delivering directly to a residence) and store them while we figure out the best way to distribute.

If all these logistics are already figured out and my services are not required, no problem.

-
Jordan Spencer Cunningham
teletype.net | GreenKeys Search Engine: teletype.net/gksearch
SMS via teletype: 385-308-4898 | Email via teletype: tty at nerdology.org

On Sun, Jul 13, 2025, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Hager via GreenKeys wrote:
> 
> Hi John
> 
> My address is:
> Andrew Hager
> 2050 Prairie Meadow Dr
> Mosinee, WI 54455
> Cell phone: 734-855-5247
> Call Sign: KD9TYC
> 
> I?m still interested in the one UGC-136 I requested earlier as I currently don?t have an ASCII type machine or method nor do I have the ability to operate at 100 wpm.
> 
> I might be in the Cedar Rapids, IA area for my regular job that week. But let me know when you?re there.
> 
> Thanks for doing this for us.
> 
> 73
> Andy
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2025, at 11:22 AM, John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> ?
>> Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone received so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.  Requests for machines have exceeded qty of machines.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that they area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am reaching out to the group, mainly those asking for more than one machine, if you are willing to give up some of your extra machines to allow everyone to get one.  I had 3 for myself, and was going to give at least one to a museum, but will be passing one to the AWA museum and one to SAMSAT in San Antonio.  We are still short on machines compared to requests.  Currently have 39-41 requests, and only 46 machines.  I am  keeping the time stamp of the emails, so if it comes down to it, that is the way they will be distributed. I wish we had 2 or 3 more pallets of these, but we have to work with what we are getting.
>> 
>> I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines for now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will then list how many are available and distribute those accordingly to either late request that have come in , or offer up to those that were after more than one. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of current spreed sheet attached for reference.  As far as shipping, once I get a solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.  Might be easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me the shipping label, but we can talk about this next week.  As I have mentioned to one member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in August or September and could bring them with me for one or more to meet me and help with distributing them in that area.  Have plenty of room as will be driving F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo console my son picked up for me.  Again, we can work this all out.
>> 
>> John Hargett
>>   KG5YLG
>>   512-971-4148
>>   Hays CO CLO
>>   Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
>>   Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
>>>  
>>> Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8
>>> 
>>> https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Tue Jul 15 00:00:42 2025
From: mmcauley at cox.net (MIKE MCAULEY)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 04:00:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union TeleType Machine
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Saw this on Craigslist. Just passing it along...


Western Union TeleType Machine
https://cosprings.craigslist.org/atq/d/colorado-springs-western-union-teletype/7837615416.html
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From kg5ylg at austin.rr.com  Tue Jul 15 07:50:27 2025
From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 06:50:27 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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So had a chance today (07/14/2025) after work to go thru most of the 
boxes Jon N5MHI came out to give a hand. Did not open all, just picked a 
random few, mainly ones on a pallet that had loose tape or was already 
open.? ?Four? of the boxes that came in were already open and missing 
some of the packing material, so those will be held for local pick up 
only.? We have a mix of what appears to be NOS , factory sealed and 
units that went thru the repair facility and had items that were in need 
of replacement taken care of.? ? So far they all look to be in excellent 
condition.

 ? ? I will end up re-taping? a lot of the boxes to be sure that they do 
not come open in transit, and possibly add some carton strapping to them 
to help reinforce the boxes.? the tape that is on all of them is either 
paper or a mil grade "duct" tape, all which is kind of brittle, 
1992-1998+/- vintage.? the ones we looked at are packed very well, using 
expanding foam and plastic liner and the units themselves are sealed in 
a silver static vacuum bag. The only ones that were not in a? silver 
vacuum bag were the 2 that GOVPLANET had out for pics.

 ? ? I will try to update the list tomorrow, has been a long day today. 
We have had more request than machines,? Hopefully we can get one to all 
those I have on the list so far.? Have had still interest in these as? 
of today with a few new emails .? It will be the next box up that goes 
out to each member, so no ability to request one box over the other is 
not a choice.


 ?I feel the easiest way for me would be for each member to take care of 
shipping from their end and send me the? label to put on the box, that 
way it keeps my cost down and less transfer of money. We have FedEx by 
every day picking up, we dont use UPS that often so? they wont pick up , 
but I drive by a UPS store every day so could drop off if that is 
preferred.? Have not inquired about a price to ship a pallet to another 
location to be re-distributed, limited to six machines on a pallet due 
to their size and std pallet sizing.

 ?Will put my paypal and venmo info in the next email, or if you prefer, 
sending a check is ok, but will not ship till check clears.? Like I 
mentioned the current cost per unit is just under $80.00, so that or 
anything over is fine.? Not looking to make money on this, just to? 
recover my cost and save them from the landfill. My address is good on QRZ.



 ? ? Some pics of the unboxing and pallets at this link 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9


John Hargett
   KG5YLG
   



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From ranickels at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 11:04:46 2025
From: ranickels at gmail.com (Robert Nickels)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 10:04:46 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <DFFD7C53-2006-4443-83C0-F230F27F7190@yahoo.com>
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On 7/15/2025 7:18 AM, Andrew Hager wrote:
> I?m wondering if you would still plan on your trip to Cedar Rapids Iowa in August?

Hi John,

I would also like to meet up with you when you come to Cedar Rapids to 
pick up my machine if possible.

Thanks and 73,

Bob W9RAN
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 11:59:55 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 10:59:55 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] E-Systems
Message-ID: <CAE1er57jLsS6BUzAYArrDuCh3JgJG3tHVGu7TRgbse2YMF2_PA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmdict_ZEfA

Hard to find a shadier company. My mother and father worked for them,
we lived in Greenville where this 60 minutes segment references.

The murder mysteries and CIA front status made their continued
operations impossible. My father worked on Ollie North's plane and air
force one before being laid off in the 80s.

The base is a superfund site but still in operations AFAIK.

-Eric

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 13:10:46 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:10:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
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A few comments  -
1. The AC power cord connector is MS3116F14-5SW (note the W orientation, a
5S will not work).
A power cord is probably not included since it is listed as NOT INCLUDED in
the manual
If you don't want to spend $25 or so for a connector on eBay, it is easy to
use a few old molex or tube pin connectors and do this
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ac-conn.jpg
pins A, B are AC line, pin C is gound.

2. The ribbon/cartridge is no longer available AFAIK.
If you are lucky, your machine may come with a ribbon. Be prepared to keep
and cherish it and re-ink it. If you get an extra please share with your
less fortunate buddies. I only have 3-4 used cartridges left, but
greenkeyer John Toebes is going to create a 3D model so that someone can 3D
print more.
Will keep you posted on this.
Cartridge is on the right in this photo
https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc504f.jpg
My 136AX came with no ribbon so I printed on carbonless paper until Glenn
WB4UIV gave me a box of used ribbons that he had accumulated while serving
aboard submarines. A couple of years ago I sent two dozen of those to the
US Navy because they couldn't find any new cartridges to use aboard their
missile subs.....

3. The UGC-136 will not run 45 baud (60wpm) so you cannot use it for normal
ham radio RTTY or our military RATT net unless you have a speed converter
TU to run it at 50 baud or 75 baud - but remember you can use ITTY-100 and
W1AN files at 75 baud for testing and demo purposes. Perhaps someone will
make a little speed converter board using a PIC or Arduino or whatever.

4. The interface is MIL-STD-188 low level signaling (+/-6v). It will
probably work OK for EIA RS-232 but I have no experience with that.
It will NOT work with any 20ma or 60ma current loop.

Some more info on on my page at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
and on Dave's page at
https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html

Have Fun!
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 7:50?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> So had a chance today (07/14/2025) after work to go thru most of the
> boxes Jon N5MHI came out to give a hand. Did not open all, just picked a
> random few, mainly ones on a pallet that had loose tape or was already
> open.   Four  of the boxes that came in were already open and missing
> some of the packing material, so those will be held for local pick up
> only.  We have a mix of what appears to be NOS , factory sealed and
> units that went thru the repair facility and had items that were in need
> of replacement taken care of.    So far they all look to be in excellent
> condition.
>
>      I will end up re-taping  a lot of the boxes to be sure that they do
> not come open in transit, and possibly add some carton strapping to them
> to help reinforce the boxes.  the tape that is on all of them is either
> paper or a mil grade "duct" tape, all which is kind of brittle,
> 1992-1998+/- vintage.  the ones we looked at are packed very well, using
> expanding foam and plastic liner and the units themselves are sealed in
> a silver static vacuum bag. The only ones that were not in a  silver
> vacuum bag were the 2 that GOVPLANET had out for pics.
>
>      I will try to update the list tomorrow, has been a long day today.
> We have had more request than machines,  Hopefully we can get one to all
> those I have on the list so far.  Have had still interest in these as
> of today with a few new emails .  It will be the next box up that goes
> out to each member, so no ability to request one box over the other is
> not a choice.
>
>
>   I feel the easiest way for me would be for each member to take care of
> shipping from their end and send me the  label to put on the box, that
> way it keeps my cost down and less transfer of money. We have FedEx by
> every day picking up, we dont use UPS that often so  they wont pick up ,
> but I drive by a UPS store every day so could drop off if that is
> preferred.  Have not inquired about a price to ship a pallet to another
> location to be re-distributed, limited to six machines on a pallet due
> to their size and std pallet sizing.
>
>   Will put my paypal and venmo info in the next email, or if you prefer,
> sending a check is ok, but will not ship till check clears.  Like I
> mentioned the current cost per unit is just under $80.00, so that or
> anything over is fine.  Not looking to make money on this, just to
> recover my cost and save them from the landfill. My address is good on QRZ.
>
>
>
>      Some pics of the unboxing and pallets at this link
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9
>
>
> John Hargett
>    KG5YLG
>
>
>
>
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From w1an.dxusa at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 14:51:19 2025
From: w1an.dxusa at gmail.com (John Spigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 14:51:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch, and more
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Good info Nick. Just checked: Ebay has a couple of vendors for the AC 
connectors. I see one has 8 remaining.

More:
I'm trying to find if the Coast Guard was using the UGC-136 machines. 
After 1930 they went from Bell system 14s, 15s and 19s to the 28s and in 
the late 1970s to Model 37s to run both 5 and 8 bit. And I know there 
were using 33s later on. They had quite an extensive network with many 
miles of landline and submarine cables and hundreds of machines. Some 
32s were aboard aircraft. Did they ever use the 136s? I'm asking because 
the Coast Guard Museum is now under construction across the Thames from 
me in New London. I plan on asking a few CG retiree friends to see if 
they remember. Good place for a machine? They have a STEM exhibit planned.

Also the NL subbase is a next door neighbor, literally. And the sub 
Museum is less than a mile from the house my son and I are restoring. 
The Nautilus is the major attraction. We ran museum ships on the air a 
few times from there.  Would be nice to have a machine in place. Perhaps 
network and have them make noise.

There's also the New England Wireless and Steam Museum. My flea market 
M15 running there for 4 hours straight on battery last Saturday printing 
history files caught much attention. I got dragged down into the 
basement catacombs to evaluate several candidates for restoration. They 
also have a Wheatstone morse punch in beatiful condition in its original 
wooden enclosure with table! It's missing the power supply. I'm told 
they might have a Creed tape transmitter! Just have to dig for it.

So potential homes would be for two 136 machines. And always a little 
more for me to do.

73, John W1AN

On 15-Jul-2

  13:10, Nick England wrote:
> A few comments? -
> 1. The AC power cord connector is MS3116F14-5SW (note the W orientation, 
> a 5S will not work).
> A power cord is probably not included since it is listed as NOT INCLUDED 
> in the manual
> If you don't want to spend $25 or so for a connector on eBay, it is easy 
> to use a few old molex or tube pin connectors and do this
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ac-conn.jpg <https:// 
> www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ac-conn.jpg>
> pins A, B are AC line, pin C is gound.
> 
> 2. The ribbon/cartridge is no longer available AFAIK.
> If you are lucky, your machine may come with a ribbon. Be prepared to 
> keep and cherish it and re-ink it. If you get an extra please share with 
> your less fortunate buddies. I only have 3-4 used cartridges left, but 
> greenkeyer John Toebes is going to create a 3D model so that someone can 
> 3D print more.
> Will keep you posted on this.
> Cartridge is on the right in this photo
> https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc504f.jpg <https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ 
> ugc504f.jpg>
> My 136AX came with no ribbon so I printed on carbonless paper until 
> Glenn WB4UIV gave me a box of used ribbons that he had accumulated while 
> serving aboard submarines. A couple of years ago I sent two dozen of 
> those to the US Navy because they couldn't find any new cartridges to 
> use aboard their missile subs.....
> 
> 3. The UGC-136 will not run 45 baud (60wpm) so you cannot use it for 
> normal ham radio RTTY or our military RATT net unless you have a speed 
> converter TU to run it at 50 baud or 75 baud - but remember you can use 
> ITTY-100 and W1AN files at 75 baud for testing and demo purposes. 
> Perhaps someone will make a little speed converter board using a PIC or 
> Arduino or whatever.
> 
> 4. The interface is MIL-STD-188 low level signaling (+/-6v). It will 
> probably work OK for EIA RS-232 but I have no experience with that.
> It will NOT work with any 20ma or 60ma current loop.
> 
> Some more info on on my page at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm <https://www.navy-radio.com/ 
> tty/ugc136.htm>
> and on Dave's page at
> https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html <https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ 
> ugc-504.html>
> 
> Have Fun!
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 7:50?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com 
> <mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>> wrote:
> 
>     So had a chance today (07/14/2025) after work to go thru most of the
>     boxes Jon N5MHI came out to give a hand. Did not open all, just
>     picked a
>     random few, mainly ones on a pallet that had loose tape or was already
>     open.? ?Four? of the boxes that came in were already open and missing
>     some of the packing material, so those will be held for local pick up
>     only.? We have a mix of what appears to be NOS , factory sealed and
>     units that went thru the repair facility and had items that were in
>     need
>     of replacement taken care of.? ? So far they all look to be in
>     excellent
>     condition.
> 
>      ?? ? I will end up re-taping? a lot of the boxes to be sure that
>     they do
>     not come open in transit, and possibly add some carton strapping to
>     them
>     to help reinforce the boxes.? the tape that is on all of them is either
>     paper or a mil grade "duct" tape, all which is kind of brittle,
>     1992-1998+/- vintage.? the ones we looked at are packed very well,
>     using
>     expanding foam and plastic liner and the units themselves are sealed in
>     a silver static vacuum bag. The only ones that were not in a? silver
>     vacuum bag were the 2 that GOVPLANET had out for pics.
> 
>      ?? ? I will try to update the list tomorrow, has been a long day
>     today.
>     We have had more request than machines,? Hopefully we can get one to
>     all
>     those I have on the list so far.? Have had still interest in these as
>     of today with a few new emails .? It will be the next box up that goes
>     out to each member, so no ability to request one box over the other is
>     not a choice.
> 
> 
>      ??I feel the easiest way for me would be for each member to take
>     care of
>     shipping from their end and send me the? label to put on the box, that
>     way it keeps my cost down and less transfer of money. We have FedEx by
>     every day picking up, we dont use UPS that often so? they wont pick
>     up ,
>     but I drive by a UPS store every day so could drop off if that is
>     preferred.? Have not inquired about a price to ship a pallet to another
>     location to be re-distributed, limited to six machines on a pallet due
>     to their size and std pallet sizing.
> 
>      ??Will put my paypal and venmo info in the next email, or if you
>     prefer,
>     sending a check is ok, but will not ship till check clears.? Like I
>     mentioned the current cost per unit is just under $80.00, so that or
>     anything over is fine.? Not looking to make money on this, just to
>     recover my cost and save them from the landfill. My address is good
>     on QRZ.
> 
> 
> 
>      ?? ? Some pics of the unboxing and pallets at this link
>     https://photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9 <https://
>     photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9>
> 
> 
>     John Hargett
>      ? ?KG5YLG
> 
> 
> 
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From bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com  Tue Jul 15 15:21:11 2025
From: bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com (Mike Katz)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 14:21:11 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old teletype Pallets
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 16:36:59 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:36:59 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeu3FynUo36GyRqQWsv0QgR5zyTjuHarQS1690jygGbJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
	<PH0PR12MB882157A7A97867DDC9BEAD0BB54CA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<bec1df46-db17-49ec-baec-42f15ca41205@austin.rr.com>
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	<cf581e9b-1a5b-43aa-9f4d-8265a055d7e7@austin.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNeu3FynUo36GyRqQWsv0QgR5zyTjuHarQS1690jygGbJg@mail.gmail.com>
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FWIW, I have added photos of the ribbon cartridge - perhaps someone will
recognize it and have a source....
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ribbon.htm

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 1:10?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> A few comments  -
> 1. The AC power cord connector is MS3116F14-5SW (note the W orientation, a
> 5S will not work).
> A power cord is probably not included since it is listed as NOT INCLUDED
> in the manual
> If you don't want to spend $25 or so for a connector on eBay, it is easy
> to use a few old molex or tube pin connectors and do this
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ac-conn.jpg
> pins A, B are AC line, pin C is gound.
>
> 2. The ribbon/cartridge is no longer available AFAIK.
> If you are lucky, your machine may come with a ribbon. Be prepared to keep
> and cherish it and re-ink it. If you get an extra please share with your
> less fortunate buddies. I only have 3-4 used cartridges left, but
> greenkeyer John Toebes is going to create a 3D model so that someone can 3D
> print more.
> Will keep you posted on this.
> Cartridge is on the right in this photo
> https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc504f.jpg
> My 136AX came with no ribbon so I printed on carbonless paper until Glenn
> WB4UIV gave me a box of used ribbons that he had accumulated while serving
> aboard submarines. A couple of years ago I sent two dozen of those to the
> US Navy because they couldn't find any new cartridges to use aboard their
> missile subs.....
>
> 3. The UGC-136 will not run 45 baud (60wpm) so you cannot use it for
> normal ham radio RTTY or our military RATT net unless you have a speed
> converter TU to run it at 50 baud or 75 baud - but remember you can use
> ITTY-100 and W1AN files at 75 baud for testing and demo purposes. Perhaps
> someone will make a little speed converter board using a PIC or Arduino or
> whatever.
>
> 4. The interface is MIL-STD-188 low level signaling (+/-6v). It will
> probably work OK for EIA RS-232 but I have no experience with that.
> It will NOT work with any 20ma or 60ma current loop.
>
> Some more info on on my page at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
> and on Dave's page at
> https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html
>
> Have Fun!
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 7:50?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> So had a chance today (07/14/2025) after work to go thru most of the
>> boxes Jon N5MHI came out to give a hand. Did not open all, just picked a
>> random few, mainly ones on a pallet that had loose tape or was already
>> open.   Four  of the boxes that came in were already open and missing
>> some of the packing material, so those will be held for local pick up
>> only.  We have a mix of what appears to be NOS , factory sealed and
>> units that went thru the repair facility and had items that were in need
>> of replacement taken care of.    So far they all look to be in excellent
>> condition.
>>
>>      I will end up re-taping  a lot of the boxes to be sure that they do
>> not come open in transit, and possibly add some carton strapping to them
>> to help reinforce the boxes.  the tape that is on all of them is either
>> paper or a mil grade "duct" tape, all which is kind of brittle,
>> 1992-1998+/- vintage.  the ones we looked at are packed very well, using
>> expanding foam and plastic liner and the units themselves are sealed in
>> a silver static vacuum bag. The only ones that were not in a  silver
>> vacuum bag were the 2 that GOVPLANET had out for pics.
>>
>>      I will try to update the list tomorrow, has been a long day today.
>> We have had more request than machines,  Hopefully we can get one to all
>> those I have on the list so far.  Have had still interest in these as
>> of today with a few new emails .  It will be the next box up that goes
>> out to each member, so no ability to request one box over the other is
>> not a choice.
>>
>>
>>   I feel the easiest way for me would be for each member to take care of
>> shipping from their end and send me the  label to put on the box, that
>> way it keeps my cost down and less transfer of money. We have FedEx by
>> every day picking up, we dont use UPS that often so  they wont pick up ,
>> but I drive by a UPS store every day so could drop off if that is
>> preferred.  Have not inquired about a price to ship a pallet to another
>> location to be re-distributed, limited to six machines on a pallet due
>> to their size and std pallet sizing.
>>
>>   Will put my paypal and venmo info in the next email, or if you prefer,
>> sending a check is ok, but will not ship till check clears.  Like I
>> mentioned the current cost per unit is just under $80.00, so that or
>> anything over is fine.  Not looking to make money on this, just to
>> recover my cost and save them from the landfill. My address is good on
>> QRZ.
>>
>>
>>
>>      Some pics of the unboxing and pallets at this link
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9
>>
>>
>> John Hargett
>>    KG5YLG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> www.avg.com
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>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 15 21:03:27 2025
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 20:03:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Western Union TeleType Machine
In-Reply-To: <912178126.1414479.1752552042605@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <912178126.1414479.1752552042605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<912178126.1414479.1752552042605@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5c183bff-245e-bf59-587f-a89f1fbc122@earthlink.net>

Well, a Teletype Model 28 in Western Union clothing.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 15 21:16:29 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 01:16:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old teletype Pallets
In-Reply-To: <5120b67c-94ea-49ae-bc5d-fdcc03c1d020@email.android.com>
References: <5120b67c-94ea-49ae-bc5d-fdcc03c1d020@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <143824445.1754561.1752628589577@mail.yahoo.com>

Those are all Model 15 pallets. Type 371 = Long Gothic Style font. 126747 = Bell System Arrangement A.

I'll hoard errrrr... house them if no one else needs them.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Tuesday, July 15, 2025 at 01:23:25 PM MDT, Mike Katz <bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com> wrote:

I got these in an auction but I have no use for them on my Model 33 ASR.

I have no idea as to their worth or usefulness.

If you are interested in these please email me directly bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com.

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>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html

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From magwheels54 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 15 08:18:14 2025
From: magwheels54 at yahoo.com (Andrew Hager)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 07:18:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
In-Reply-To: <cf581e9b-1a5b-43aa-9f4d-8265a055d7e7@austin.rr.com>
References: <cf581e9b-1a5b-43aa-9f4d-8265a055d7e7@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DFFD7C53-2006-4443-83C0-F230F27F7190@yahoo.com>


Hi John

I?m going to mail you a check for $80 for one machine today. 

I?m wondering if you would still plan on your trip to Cedar Rapids Iowa in August? I?m not sure which dates in August you?ll be making your trip but I could possibly meet up with you there and pick up a machine or two in Iowa. I was talking with Dave from Neenah, WI about picking his machine up in Iowa as well. 

Let me know otherwise I?ll email you a shipping label for one machine. 

73
Andy
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2025, at 6:50 AM, John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?So had a chance today (07/14/2025) after work to go thru most of the boxes Jon N5MHI came out to give a hand. Did not open all, just picked a random few, mainly ones on a pallet that had loose tape or was already open.   Four  of the boxes that came in were already open and missing some of the packing material, so those will be held for local pick up only.  We have a mix of what appears to be NOS , factory sealed and units that went thru the repair facility and had items that were in need of replacement taken care of.    So far they all look to be in excellent condition.
> 
>     I will end up re-taping  a lot of the boxes to be sure that they do not come open in transit, and possibly add some carton strapping to them to help reinforce the boxes.  the tape that is on all of them is either paper or a mil grade "duct" tape, all which is kind of brittle, 1992-1998+/- vintage.  the ones we looked at are packed very well, using expanding foam and plastic liner and the units themselves are sealed in a silver static vacuum bag. The only ones that were not in a  silver vacuum bag were the 2 that GOVPLANET had out for pics.
> 
>     I will try to update the list tomorrow, has been a long day today. We have had more request than machines,  Hopefully we can get one to all those I have on the list so far.  Have had still interest in these as  of today with a few new emails .  It will be the next box up that goes out to each member, so no ability to request one box over the other is not a choice.
> 
> 
>  I feel the easiest way for me would be for each member to take care of shipping from their end and send me the  label to put on the box, that way it keeps my cost down and less transfer of money. We have FedEx by every day picking up, we dont use UPS that often so  they wont pick up , but I drive by a UPS store every day so could drop off if that is preferred.  Have not inquired about a price to ship a pallet to another location to be re-distributed, limited to six machines on a pallet due to their size and std pallet sizing.
> 
>  Will put my paypal and venmo info in the next email, or if you prefer, sending a check is ok, but will not ship till check clears.  Like I mentioned the current cost per unit is just under $80.00, so that or anything over is fine.  Not looking to make money on this, just to  recover my cost and save them from the landfill. My address is good on QRZ.
> 
> 
> 
>     Some pics of the unboxing and pallets at this link https://photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9
> 
> 
> John Hargett
>  KG5YLG
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
> www.avg.com


From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Jul 15 21:46:12 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:46:12 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Old teletype Pallets
In-Reply-To: <143824445.1754561.1752628589577@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5120b67c-94ea-49ae-bc5d-fdcc03c1d020@email.android.com>
	<143824445.1754561.1752628589577@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <967c4944dfacf6be285e5638038c2430.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Along with the pallets, I saw a keycap in one of the photos. Keycaps often
get lost. Free To Good Home, I have two boxes of WEATHER keycaps for the
model 15 and similar machines. Let me know what you need.

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


-- 
Not sent from an iPhone.

From kg2bz at comcast.net  Wed Jul 16 05:22:48 2025
From: kg2bz at comcast.net (JEFF CICCONE)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 05:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch ac connector
 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeu3FynUo36GyRqQWsv0QgR5zyTjuHarQS1690jygGbJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfP8xh-aOFKbR8QrJAyVYpVXxJ+THgBqAn8S0x3fb1Kog@mail.gmail.com>
	<PH0PR12MB882157A7A97867DDC9BEAD0BB54CA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<bec1df46-db17-49ec-baec-42f15ca41205@austin.rr.com>
	<b9f21ec1-a56b-4cdc-81e7-dfc0ef5db51f@austin.rr.com>
	<cf581e9b-1a5b-43aa-9f4d-8265a055d7e7@austin.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNeu3FynUo36GyRqQWsv0QgR5zyTjuHarQS1690jygGbJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <165816886.70281.1752657768968@connect.xfinity.com>

gang.  ac connector on ebay around $30. l just bought one
 
just search
 
MS3116F14-5SW EQUIV: MSW06E14-5SW-SR "W" ROTATED INSERT (PIC IS NORMAL)
 
seeller is milspecwest
 
Jeff N2IA

> On 07/15/2025 1:10 PM EDT Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> A few comments  -
> 1. The AC power cord connector is MS3116F14-5SW (note the W orientation, a 5S will not work).
> A power cord is probably not included since it is listed as NOT INCLUDED in the manual
> If you don't want to spend $25 or so for a connector on eBay, it is easy to use a few old molex or tube pin connectors and do this
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136-ac-conn.jpg
> pins A, B are AC line, pin C is gound.
>  
> 2. The ribbon/cartridge is no longer available AFAIK.
> If you are lucky, your machine may come with a ribbon. Be prepared to keep and cherish it and re-ink it. If you get an extra please share with your less fortunate buddies. I only have 3-4 used cartridges left, but greenkeyer John Toebes is going to create a 3D model so that someone can 3D print more.
> Will keep you posted on this.
> Cartridge is on the right in this photo
> https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc504f.jpg
> My 136AX came with no ribbon so I printed on carbonless paper until Glenn WB4UIV gave me a box of used ribbons that he had accumulated while serving aboard submarines. A couple of years ago I sent two dozen of those to the US Navy because they couldn't find any new cartridges to use aboard their missile subs.....
>  
> 3. The UGC-136 will not run 45 baud (60wpm) so you cannot use it for normal ham radio RTTY or our military RATT net unless you have a speed converter TU to run it at 50 baud or 75 baud - but remember you can use ITTY-100 and W1AN files at 75 baud for testing and demo purposes. Perhaps someone will make a little speed converter board using a PIC or Arduino or whatever.
>  
> 4. The interface is MIL-STD-188 low level signaling (+/-6v). It will probably work OK for EIA RS-232 but I have no experience with that.
> It will NOT work with any 20ma or 60ma current loop.
>  
> Some more info on on my page at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
> and on Dave's page at
> https://www.qsl.net/vy2ac/ugc-504.html
>  
> Have Fun!
> Nick England K4NYW
> http://www.navy-radio.com
> 
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 7:50?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > So had a chance today (07/14/2025) after work to go thru most of the
> > boxes Jon N5MHI came out to give a hand. Did not open all, just picked a
> > random few, mainly ones on a pallet that had loose tape or was already
> > open.   Four  of the boxes that came in were already open and missing
> > some of the packing material, so those will be held for local pick up
> > only.  We have a mix of what appears to be NOS , factory sealed and
> > units that went thru the repair facility and had items that were in need
> > of replacement taken care of.    So far they all look to be in excellent
> > condition.
> > 
> >      I will end up re-taping  a lot of the boxes to be sure that they do
> > not come open in transit, and possibly add some carton strapping to them
> > to help reinforce the boxes.  the tape that is on all of them is either
> > paper or a mil grade "duct" tape, all which is kind of brittle,
> > 1992-1998+/- vintage.  the ones we looked at are packed very well, using
> > expanding foam and plastic liner and the units themselves are sealed in
> > a silver static vacuum bag. The only ones that were not in a  silver
> > vacuum bag were the 2 that GOVPLANET had out for pics.
> > 
> >      I will try to update the list tomorrow, has been a long day today.
> > We have had more request than machines,  Hopefully we can get one to all
> > those I have on the list so far.  Have had still interest in these as 
> > of today with a few new emails .  It will be the next box up that goes
> > out to each member, so no ability to request one box over the other is
> > not a choice.
> > 
> > 
> >   I feel the easiest way for me would be for each member to take care of
> > shipping from their end and send me the  label to put on the box, that
> > way it keeps my cost down and less transfer of money. We have FedEx by
> > every day picking up, we dont use UPS that often so  they wont pick up ,
> > but I drive by a UPS store every day so could drop off if that is
> > preferred.  Have not inquired about a price to ship a pallet to another
> > location to be re-distributed, limited to six machines on a pallet due
> > to their size and std pallet sizing.
> > 
> >   Will put my paypal and venmo info in the next email, or if you prefer,
> > sending a check is ok, but will not ship till check clears.  Like I
> > mentioned the current cost per unit is just under $80.00, so that or
> > anything over is fine.  Not looking to make money on this, just to 
> > recover my cost and save them from the landfill. My address is good on QRZ.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      Some pics of the unboxing and pallets at this link
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/FkwtBgvXvwPTf3mY9
> > 
> > 
> > John Hargett
> >    KG5YLG
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
> > http://www.avg.com
> > 
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > 
> > >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
> > >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> > >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> > >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> > 
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 11:04:34 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:04:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon/Cartridge for UGC-136
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcEWxVxLQoMGCR6+kTtNBZdx5JFFdY-sBN9TJgvSJ5=XQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ribbon.htm

Greenkeyers Ron and Michael have found these from Germany.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/352927962791

They look right to me.
I have made an offer and will see what the response is.

Nick England K4NYW
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From ve3gem at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 13:58:05 2025
From: ve3gem at gmail.com (Keith Densmore)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:58:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 For Free
Message-ID: <CAC1vJYCd99hyakKrrJZHvxscGrdAZOjirCJ6e9NjR9RUFSTdNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Listees,
Over the years members of this group have been an awesome help on various
TT projects, so when the UGC deal came up I volunteered to buy one despite
the fact I cannot handle weights much over 20 lbs anymore. Plus the
shipping rate to Canada is over $300.
As such, I'd like to donate my machine to a deserving member of the group.
I originally thought of offering it to Nick or John due to  their amazing
work  for the group but they already are down for several and
financially they are not strapped.
Therefore, any member of the group who has a use for a machine can write me
a short note on its intended purpose. Specifically, museums,  or the
financially challenged are encouraged.
If I get more than one request, I'll choose by random draw. Keep in mind
you will still be responsible for shipping costs from TX.
Thanks all,
Keith ve3gem
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Wed Jul 16 15:22:42 2025
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 19:22:42 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 Power Connector
Message-ID: <SA3PR12MB880976F081C92EE58C707F42B556A@SA3PR12MB8809.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

I just spoke with the proprietor of milspec west. He called me because he was concerned that so many of these unique power connectors were being purchased through ebay, where they rarely ever sell one normally. Now a dozen orders have come in within two days! out of an abundance of caution, he zeroed out his inventory on ebay until he could make sure there wasn't some kind of credit card scam happening, etc.

He called me to ask if I knew what was going on, so I explained the whole group buy.  He said he would resume the inventory on ebay now that I explained it to him.

He also said, you can buy directly from his website https://milspecwest.com/ and you can get a better deal that way, free shipping etc.

Thats all, I thought I'd pass it along.





73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos





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Subject: Fwd: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch

For those that have not created your shipping label yet, you might try the info below, Nick said it saved him approx 50% of the std rate, let me know if it works for yall.  I am working with my logistics rep, but she said it would take her a wile to go thru all the addresses

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
Re: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch
Date:
Wed, 16 Jul 2025 12:36:50 -0400
From:
Nick England <nick at navy-radio.com><mailto:nick at navy-radio.com>
To:
John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com><mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>


I used PayPal shipping and got over 50% discount on UPS ($93 cost) - my small company rate quote on FedEx was $190...
It is gonna be expensive because it is heavy and large.

You can send this to the customer list -
=====================
1) log in to PayPal
2) click on the gear (settings) button to access "Account"
3) Under "Account"
Add this address so you can use it as "ship-from"

86 S Old Spanish Trail
K&J Woodworks- Metals Shop
Uhland, TX 78640

4) Under "Seller Tools"
    a) Select Shipping Preferences, then Shipping Locations
    b) Click Add Location (upper right - may be partly hidden)
         Enter a name (Woodworks) and drop-down select the Woodworks address
         Save the new address

5) FINALLY go to https://www.paypal.com/shiplabel/create
   a) Select the Woodworks shipping location
   b) and enter the address where you want the shipment to go (your home)
   c) enter the size and weight  - 31 x 25 x 18 and 91 lb
   d) Calculate - to see what the rate is - I got 50% off the regular UPS rate.

(YES, getting this setup is really clumsy but worth the savings)

==============================

Nick England K4NYW
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 11:12?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com<mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Nick,


    had try to send you an email from my phone, but it is having issues connecting to the mail server, always something.  Ive had a few members complaining about the cost to ship, I have not looked into the rates yet and I am talking to our logistics rep to see what he might be able to do, but that would be more out of my pocket.  Didnt know if you might be able to offer your discount if they set it up through you, and payed you.  I would have to get my end approved by the owner to use our shipping company.


will get yours ready to go today and drop it off on my way home.  Will put the manual in it as well


73

John

KG5YLG

On 7/16/2025 8:21 AM, Nick England wrote:
Label attached. I will PayPal shortly.
It is UPS because I could get a 50% discount compared to FedEx!
Many many thanks for saving all these machines.
Nick England K4NYW
811 Kenmore Rd
Chapel Hill NC 27514
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 5:56?AM Nick England <nick at navy-radio.com<mailto:nick at navy-radio.com>> wrote:
That is great, John. Many thanks. I?ll send a label later today.

Nick England K4NYW
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 10:22?PM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com<mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Nick,

I do have a machine available for you if you want one, had a few give up their extras and have everyone covered as of now.  We did get a second manual in one of the factory sealed units that we checked and all of the factory units have one roll of paper, no power cords have been found yet.  Have not opened too may factory boxes, but there might be more manuals in some of them.  The refurbished machines dont have any manuals, paper or cords so far.  Have 18 refurb and the bal appear to be NOS


    I you do want a machine, I will just put one of the manuals in there and you can send me a shipping label of your choice.

John Hargett
  KG5YLG
  512-971-4148
  Hays CO CLO
  Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
  Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club

On 7/14/2025 1:18 PM, Nick England wrote:
Fine - yes I have scanned many hundreds of Navy and Teletype manuals over the last 10 years or so, so I'm all set up.

Mailing address
Nick England
811 Kenmore Rd
Chapel Hill NC 27514-1445




Nick England K4NYW
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:47?PM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com<mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Nick,

    Looks like you are more set up for this than I am . Was wondering how I would handle the fold outs.  Will get it ready to send off to you.  I have Jon Penner (N5MHI)  coming by  this afternoon to help go thru them today


73

John

KG5YLG

On 7/14/2025 12:14 PM, Nick England wrote:
Thanks. I have a high-speed duplex scanner that will also do long fold-out schematics, so I am happy to scan and post. Also happy to pay postage and return the manual promptly.

I?m also handing off a spare ribbon cartridge to greenkeyer John Toebes who volunteered to create a CAD model for 3D printing.

Nick England K4NYW
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com<http://www.navy-radio.com>


On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 12:51?PM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com<mailto:vk2bea at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi John,
  Is the ribbon and power cable included in the box?

Michael

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:25?AM John Hargett <kg5ylg at austin.rr.com<mailto:kg5ylg at austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Well, Santa has arrived, granted he was from Serbia, but all arrived intact.  Boxes are 31 x 25 x 18 1nd will get one off the pallet later today to put on the scale, but  can figure for now 79 lbs per the manual.   Most boxes are factory sealed, but there are 2 open boxes with no packing material and then several I can se that have been re-taped.   The one box I opened from factory seal , the unit is vacuum packed in static bag and then surrounded by expanding foam shipping bag.  Will go thru them all hopefully today after I get off work and  start  getting them ready to go.  Will send a later email with my paypal or venmo for payment for the unit and freight getting them to me to .


    So far looks like there is only one manual, will get that of to Nick to scan , or I might dig out my duplex scanner and see if it still works.  One way or another will get it scanned so all can have a copy.


73

John H

KG5YLG

On 7/13/2025 11:22 AM, John Hargett wrote:

Sorry for the duplicated emails, but wanted to make sure everyone received so sent to greenkeys and all emails I have showing interest.  Requests for machines have exceeded qty of machines.


So, sending this out today, I was originally going to wait till Monday after I was able to look at all of the machines and make sure that they area all complete, but with the added interest in these, I am reaching out to the group, mainly those asking for more than one machine, if you are willing to give up some of your extra machines to allow everyone to get one.  I had 3 for myself, and was going to give at least one to a museum, but will be passing one to the AWA museum and one to SAMSAT in San Antonio.  We are still short on machines compared to requests.  Currently have 39-41 requests, and only 46 machines.  I am  keeping the time stamp of the emails, so if it comes down to it, that is the way they will be distributed. I wish we had 2 or 3 more pallets of these, but we have to work with what we are getting.

I guess with this email we need to shut down the requests for machines for now, and if we end up with people offering up their xtras, will then list how many are available and distribute those accordingly to either late request that have come in , or offer up to those that were after more than one.


 I still need addresses and phone numbers on some of yall. pdf of current spreed sheet attached for reference.  As far as shipping, once I get a solid dimension and weight on them, we can further discuss.  Might be easiest if you were to arrange via FedEx or UPS and send me the shipping label, but we can talk about this next week.  As I have mentioned to one member, I will be going to Cedaar Rapids IA either in August or September and could bring them with me for one or more to meet me and help with distributing them in that area.  Have plenty of room as will be driving F350 in order to pick up a Grundig stereo console my son picked up for me.  Again, we can work this all out.

John Hargett
  KG5YLG
  512-971-4148
  Hays CO CLO
  Buda EOC Unit # 12-209-EOC
  Hays Caldwell Amateur Radio Club






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From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net><mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com><mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2025 11:47 AM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net><mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch

Starting bid $700 for all 46 of them....auction ends July 8

https://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/item/13340938?src=insideemail-GovPlanet-070625&utm_source=pet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GP-FA-070625

Nick England K4NYW
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 16 23:11:52 2025
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 22:11:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcEWxVxLQoMGCR6+kTtNBZdx5JFFdY-sBN9TJgvSJ5=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I've been meaning to ask if there is any connection between the
UGC-136 and the UGC-129.  The UGC-129 was apparently built for
aviation use and there were at least two versions.  The earlier
one used a type slug similar to that of the MITE; the later used
dot matrix.  There is an absence of any available documentation
of the early UGC-129

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From kwlueck at swbell.net  Thu Jul 17 11:55:33 2025
From: kwlueck at swbell.net (Keith Lueck)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:55:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] model 15 on ebay
References: <1895197153.308404.1752767733808.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1895197153.308404.1752767733808@mail.yahoo.com>

Curious model 15 on ebay.? From the keyboard, it appears to have a financial typeset.? I notice a two color ribbon and a mystery box to the right of the carriage.? Also some unidentified control / button on the lower right hand side of the keyboard.??
Not mine, or associated with anyone I know, yadda yadda.? Just curious if anyone knows anything about it.? Was there a mod for the 15 to use a two color ribbon???
Cheers,
Keith

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 17 15:07:05 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:07:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU TT-47A/-69A
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdit1bqHbN=ivqMGNZgxBFiLMz8QskjY-qHSqUkeEcQDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5deebdb4-5bc2-42b0-aefa-528be3cb9b02@earthlink.net>
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Nick,

FYI,

Just getting back into this machine.? The wiring of my TT-69A matches 
the schematic (fig 2-79) & wiring (Fig 3-3) diagrams of NAVSHIPS 91713, 
but not 2852WD & 2852WD, rev D. (maybe they did in earlier versions?)

My TT-69A & NAVSHIPS 91713 do not have the polar ("LINE") relay and the 
signal line filter connects directly to terminals C5 & C10 (TB-751).

Thanks,

Duncan,
K2OEQ


On 7/14/2025 3:03 PM, Nick England wrote:
> Seeing the cloth-covered wires made me think it was an early model. I 
> have a TT-47A with a LESU that looks very similar except no loop 
> supply which looks like a ham add-on.
> The TT-47A LESU is Navy model SB-154A. Teletype model LESU5/103
> Manual is at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/tt47a-91713-5207.pdf
>
> Wiring diagrams 2852WD and 2853WD are in 573-100-400
> https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-100-400.pdf
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:59?PM Duncan Brown 
> <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>     I'm checking out a M28KSR that looks like it has had some major
>     rewiring done to it.
>
>     All the jumpers that are normally on terminals 4-14 of the cabinet
>     terminal blocks have been removed.? There were two, 4 conductor,
>     external cables connected to the cabinet terminal block, all
>     unterminated, except for a 2k power resistor (loop current
>     limiter) connected across? C10-C11.
>
>     I see no designator on the LESU and the color codes of the cable
>     from the LESU to to c5 - c14 do not match the colors I see on
>     2874WD (or any others).? The LESU has what looks like a Line Shunt
>     Relay, a 120VDC power supply (with monitor jack), a Motor-Stop
>     relay and an 120VAC input panel ( lamp switch & fuses). See
>     picture enclosed.
>
>     Can anyone identify this LESU?
>
>     I tried to remove the LESU by removing the big screws. The LESU
>     was loose, but would not come out, apparently because of the front
>     panel power switch extension mechanism.? I expected it to
>     disengage when I lifted up the LESU, but it did not.? Is there
>     something in the switch extension mechanism that has to be
>     removed/released?
>
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Duncan
>     K2OEQ
>
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From aa6rk at aol.com  Thu Jul 17 12:16:18 2025
From: aa6rk at aol.com (AA6RK)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 16:16:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Two Model 15's For Sale
References: <1066406254.326049.1752768978007.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1066406254.326049.1752768978007@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All...
?I have two working Model 15s with modems and many extras. $500 total. Pick Up in Central Texas.73, Bob AA6RK...
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 17 17:45:39 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:45:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 - mystery LESU TT-47A/-69A
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeo_uLS9qfeYerav4pxc-iWspgxSc5FrCOSbuN28+dVvg@mail.gmail.com>
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QSL
Agree, you need to keep all versions/editions of manuals.

One thing that is not in NAVSHIPS 91713, is the BREAK button on the 
keyboard.? This TT-69A is wired for it.

Army? manual for the TT-47A & TT-69A was TM 11-2229, but can't find a 
pdf copy on the internet.

73,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 7/17/2025 3:13 PM, Nick England wrote:
> I don?t know what?s up with those WD. The cross-reference says they 
> are for TT-49A etc. but clearly they aren?t. Another example of why 
> hanging on to early versions is a Good Idea.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 3:07?PM Duncan Brown 
> <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>     Nick,
>
>     FYI,
>
>     Just getting back into this machine.? The wiring of my TT-69A
>     matches the schematic (fig 2-79) & wiring (Fig 3-3) diagrams of
>     NAVSHIPS 91713, but not 2852WD & 2852WD, rev D. (maybe they did in
>     earlier versions?)
>
>     My TT-69A & NAVSHIPS 91713 do not have the polar ("LINE") relay
>     and the signal line filter connects directly to terminals C5 & C10
>     (TB-751).
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Duncan,
>     K2OEQ
>
>
>     On 7/14/2025 3:03 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>     Seeing the cloth-covered wires made me think it was an early
>>     model. I have a TT-47A with a LESU that looks very similar except
>>     no loop supply which looks like a ham add-on.
>>     The TT-47A LESU is Navy model SB-154A. Teletype model LESU5/103
>>     Manual is at
>>     https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/tt47a-91713-5207.pdf
>>
>>     Wiring diagrams 2852WD and 2853WD are in 573-100-400
>>     https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/tty/573-100-400.pdf
>>
>>     Nick England K4NYW
>>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 1:59?PM Duncan Brown
>>     <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>         I'm checking out a M28KSR that looks like it has had some
>>         major rewiring done to it.
>>
>>         All the jumpers that are normally on terminals 4-14 of the
>>         cabinet terminal blocks have been removed.? There were two, 4
>>         conductor, external cables connected to the cabinet terminal
>>         block, all unterminated, except for a 2k power resistor (loop
>>         current limiter) connected across C10-C11.
>>
>>         I see no designator on the LESU and the color codes of the
>>         cable from the LESU to to c5 - c14 do not match the colors I
>>         see on 2874WD (or any others).? The LESU has what looks like
>>         a Line Shunt Relay, a 120VDC power supply (with monitor
>>         jack), a Motor-Stop relay and an 120VAC input panel ( lamp
>>         switch & fuses). See picture enclosed.
>>
>>         Can anyone identify this LESU?
>>
>>         I tried to remove the LESU by removing the big screws.? The
>>         LESU was loose, but would not come out, apparently because of
>>         the front panel power switch extension mechanism.? I expected
>>         it to disengage when I lifted up the LESU, but it did not.?
>>         Is there something in the switch extension mechanism that has
>>         to be removed/released?
>>
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         Duncan
>>         K2OEQ
>>
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From w9pog73 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 18:00:59 2025
From: w9pog73 at gmail.com (Aidan Riley)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:00:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR 33 Print Wheel
Message-ID: <CAE0GH6MmhuBFNpjs6PZXBMw84P7ocXCJYvzRcWiVzamCLCcb4A@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon all,

I am looking for a new print wheel for a Model 33 ASR. Does anyone have
some spares lying around or know where I could look?

73,
Aidan W9POG
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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 19:16:14 2025
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:16:14 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR 33 Print Wheel
In-Reply-To: <CAE0GH6MmhuBFNpjs6PZXBMw84P7ocXCJYvzRcWiVzamCLCcb4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE0GH6MmhuBFNpjs6PZXBMw84P7ocXCJYvzRcWiVzamCLCcb4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31120A8A-9ECE-4675-A741-C5021AF52937@yahoo.com>

I included a spare Model 33 type wheel along with a Teletype I sold to Eric Moore a year or two ago. Eric is on this list still, I believe. 

Mike D

> On Jul 17, 2025, at 5:01 PM, Aidan Riley <w9pog73 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Good afternoon all, 
> 
> I am looking for a new print wheel for a Model 33 ASR. Does anyone have some spares lying around or know where I could look? 
> 
> 73,
> Aidan W9POG
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 19:18:18 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 18:18:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR 33 Print Wheel
In-Reply-To: <31120A8A-9ECE-4675-A741-C5021AF52937@yahoo.com>
References: <CAE0GH6MmhuBFNpjs6PZXBMw84P7ocXCJYvzRcWiVzamCLCcb4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<31120A8A-9ECE-4675-A741-C5021AF52937@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er56ioV2WHDnYfZ0cfySgOEKw12gcTTPm4RouWgW6eZW09Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am, and I have it!

Aidan, ping me off list.

-Eric


On Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 6:17?PM Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I included a spare Model 33 type wheel along with a Teletype I sold to
> Eric Moore a year or two ago. Eric is on this list still, I believe.
>
> Mike D
>
> > On Jul 17, 2025, at 5:01 PM, Aidan Riley <w9pog73 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Good afternoon all,
> >
> > I am looking for a new print wheel for a Model 33 ASR. Does anyone have
> some spares lying around or know where I could look?
> >
> > 73,
> > Aidan W9POG
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 12:10:47 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 12:10:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136
In-Reply-To: <29a1f4f6-cee-30fb-3931-2a36192dc933@earthlink.net>
References: <CAB55hNcEWxVxLQoMGCR6+kTtNBZdx5JFFdY-sBN9TJgvSJ5=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<29a1f4f6-cee-30fb-3931-2a36192dc933@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeiYSJyfJke+Qvh4nUBoQMNW0=56w+iHi4WDssOrfRqEg@mail.gmail.com>

I dunno - I haven't ever had a UGC-129 - but the capabilities look similar.
The UGC-129 manual I found on line is an Air Force TO but has what looks
like a 1977 Navy contract number - weird
TRACOR, INC.   N00038-77-C-0077
Did the Navy fly them aboard P-3 Orions?

Probably the Navy needed something that was gray and twice as heavy for
ship/sub ballast?

The military era between mechanical machines (Model 28, Kleinschmidt) and
PC/LCD seems awful schizophrenic to me.
Lots of versions with essentially the same features.

Huh - I found this in a 1986 DCA report on UHF SATCOM -
"A prevailing problem is the teletype ASCII character length where the Navy
uses 7-bit and the Air Force uses 8-bit"

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 11:11?PM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> I've been meaning to ask if there is any connection between the
> UGC-136 and the UGC-129.  The UGC-129 was apparently built for
> aviation use and there were at least two versions.  The earlier
> one used a type slug similar to that of the MITE; the later used
> dot matrix.  There is an absence of any available documentation
> of the early UGC-129
>
>         ---
>
>         "Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
>         "No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
>                 Meredith Willson, The Music Man
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Jul 18 12:31:11 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:31:11 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeiYSJyfJke+Qvh4nUBoQMNW0=56w+iHi4WDssOrfRqEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNcEWxVxLQoMGCR6+kTtNBZdx5JFFdY-sBN9TJgvSJ5=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<29a1f4f6-cee-30fb-3931-2a36192dc933@earthlink.net>
	<CAB55hNeiYSJyfJke+Qvh4nUBoQMNW0=56w+iHi4WDssOrfRqEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39ceb337041cfddb6d19985cd711a57c.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Fri, July 18, 2025 9:10 am, Nick England wrote:

> Huh - I found this in a 1986 DCA report on UHF SATCOM -
> "A prevailing problem is the teletype ASCII character length where the
> Navy
> uses 7-bit and the Air Force uses 8-bit"
>

What to do with the eighth bit has been interesting. ASCII is only 7 bits,
so you don't need to transmit an 8th bit. But computers are based on
bytes. So, the 8th bit was often transmitted as:

Always 0 (space)
Always 1 (mark), same as two stop bits
Even Parity
Odd Parity
Extend the character set (IBM graphic characters)

The parity bit gave very crude error detection, but not correction. If a
character was in error, there was a 50% chance that the parity would not
catch the error.

I think the most clever use of the bit is UTF-8 which allows encoding code
points up to U+10FFFF. I wrote a UTF-8 decoder that handled code points to
U+FFFF and converted everything to a 16 bit characters that then indexed
into an SPI flash memory chip to get the Unifont bitmap of the glyph for
display. This was used in several products, one of which is still in
production.

Anyway, I think UTF-8 is VERY CLEVER!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From harold at w6iwi.org  Fri Jul 18 12:39:58 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 09:39:58 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] FCC deletes requirement for obsolete ASCII in favor of
	Baudot
Message-ID: <6bc739ebc2f8d1c43b650fa76ef39c8f.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

FCC deletes requirement for obsolete ASCII in favor of Baudot for
Telecommunications Relay Service.

ASCII obsolete, and Baudot lives on!

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-takes-first-step-address-rules-obsolete-format-tty-0

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 12:56:02 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:56:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Midwest Run
Message-ID: <CAE1er56pOsxQw=FRYFFTA3Ss5X2hRatFvFsn516dvekMLd=+cw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello! Was someone planning to run a load of teletypes up to the midwest?

I am in Chicago and could do a leg 4 hours in any direction.

Lot cheaper if we can organize it, and easier on the machines than UPS/FedEx.

-Eric

From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 19:09:22 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 18:09:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er56dTxc2tJXRsjaChrAeCE66j71nJZPqQtODV904-eeUDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1er56dTxc2tJXRsjaChrAeCE66j71nJZPqQtODV904-eeUDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er56Jsf4DjF21JP0J1zpWHZYwikPg8zpsWwuQzGOP1+tZEw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Greenkeyers,

I will be hosting the next CCC meeting next Saturday at my home in
Schaumburg.

I have multiple teletypes, some working :) all are welcome!

-Eric


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 9:24?PM
Subject: CCC Meeting July 26th
To: <chiclassiccomp at groups.io>


Hello Everyone! Thank you to everyone who came, see below a picture from
early in the day.

I invite everyone to my home workshop for the next CCC meeting July 26th
from 2 to 7PM

334 Council Ct.
Schaumburg, IL

-Eric



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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Jul 18 20:43:08 2025
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 00:43:08 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er56Jsf4DjF21JP0J1zpWHZYwikPg8zpsWwuQzGOP1+tZEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1er56dTxc2tJXRsjaChrAeCE66j71nJZPqQtODV904-eeUDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <PH0PR12MB88219705DDA70B862F8056BEB553A@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

what is ccc?




73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos





________________________________
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2025 7:09 PM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th

Hello Greenkeyers,

I will be hosting the next CCC meeting next Saturday at my home in Schaumburg.

I have multiple teletypes, some working :) all are welcome!

-Eric


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com<mailto:mooreericnyc at gmail.com>>
Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 9:24?PM
Subject: CCC Meeting July 26th
To: <chiclassiccomp at groups.io<mailto:chiclassiccomp at groups.io>>


Hello Everyone! Thank you to everyone who came, see below a picture from early in the day.

I invite everyone to my home workshop for the next CCC meeting July 26th from 2 to 7PM

334 Council Ct.
Schaumburg, IL

-Eric



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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 00:27:42 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 23:27:42 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB88219705DDA70B862F8056BEB553A@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAE1er56dTxc2tJXRsjaChrAeCE66j71nJZPqQtODV904-eeUDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1er56Jsf4DjF21JP0J1zpWHZYwikPg8zpsWwuQzGOP1+tZEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE1er54O-gObTbJZK8sAwrnW+F1M0MqYPffSYq7ik4a9m1OcBw@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago computer club, sorry this may come through twice my first attempt
included the image as an attachment and exceeded the list max size.

-Eric


On Fri, Jul 18, 2025, 7:43?PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:

> what is ccc?
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Eric Moore <
> mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2025 7:09 PM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th
>
> Hello Greenkeyers,
>
> I will be hosting the next CCC meeting next Saturday at my home in
> Schaumburg.
>
> I have multiple teletypes, some working :) all are welcome!
>
> -Eric
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Eric Moore* <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 9:24?PM
> Subject: CCC Meeting July 26th
> To: <chiclassiccomp at groups.io>
>
>
> Hello Everyone! Thank you to everyone who came, see below a picture from
> early in the day.
>
> I invite everyone to my home workshop for the next CCC meeting July 26th
> from 2 to 7PM
>
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 08:46:29 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 08:46:29 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot is back baby!
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OQiEscDO6+KLJoYPaitbrUMB6E7h1z=bpE9aCyEcX_jWw@mail.gmail.com>

"FCC Takes First Step to Address Rules for Obsolete Format for TTY"

That "obsolete" format is ASCII, not Baudot. The requirement for Baudot
remains.
( also in the footnote it says ... "Baudot is a *seven* bit code that
operates at a baud rate of 45.5. Id. ? 64.601(a)(9)." )

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-25-35A1.pdf


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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 09:31:36 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 08:31:36 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot is back baby!
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5OQiEscDO6+KLJoYPaitbrUMB6E7h1z=bpE9aCyEcX_jWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5OQiEscDO6+KLJoYPaitbrUMB6E7h1z=bpE9aCyEcX_jWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1er56Y7_F+SNP_z3CVr0zw-+4+17ABYQa4YT1dSLOeSCUviA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I am dumb, I thought ITA-2 was still 5 bit? If we are counting
start/stop bits, 7.5 or 8.5?

-Eric


On Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 7:47?AM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:

> "FCC Takes First Step to Address Rules for Obsolete Format for TTY"
>
> That "obsolete" format is ASCII, not Baudot. The requirement for Baudot
> remains.
> ( also in the footnote it says ... "Baudot is a *seven* bit code that
> operates at a baud rate of 45.5. Id. ? 64.601(a)(9)." )
>
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-25-35A1.pdf
>
>
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 09:47:09 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 09:47:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot is back baby!
In-Reply-To: <CAE1er56Y7_F+SNP_z3CVr0zw-+4+17ABYQa4YT1dSLOeSCUviA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5OQiEscDO6+KLJoYPaitbrUMB6E7h1z=bpE9aCyEcX_jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1er56Y7_F+SNP_z3CVr0zw-+4+17ABYQa4YT1dSLOeSCUviA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OQKpDhUPRoWqROjocmuLp+JXQOGTr9pPGWJhosinE4XYA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I don't know who wrote this but I suspect it was copied from a
submission by T-mobile. DOGE probably fired the engineers who could have
caught this.

And with the same logic as our retreat from metric conversion, we are the
only country still using imperial weights and measures.

Michael

On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 9:31?AM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I am dumb, I thought ITA-2 was still 5 bit? If we are counting
> start/stop bits, 7.5 or 8.5?
>
> -Eric
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 7:47?AM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "FCC Takes First Step to Address Rules for Obsolete Format for TTY"
>>
>> That "obsolete" format is ASCII, not Baudot. The requirement for Baudot
>> remains.
>> ( also in the footnote it says ... "Baudot is a *seven* bit code that
>> operates at a baud rate of 45.5. Id. ? 64.601(a)(9)." )
>>
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-25-35A1.pdf
>>
>>

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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Sat Jul 19 10:50:44 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:50:44 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot is back baby!
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5OQKpDhUPRoWqROjocmuLp+JXQOGTr9pPGWJhosinE4XYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5OQiEscDO6+KLJoYPaitbrUMB6E7h1z=bpE9aCyEcX_jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1er56Y7_F+SNP_z3CVr0zw-+4+17ABYQa4YT1dSLOeSCUviA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHrdqDZusKNYRf1Ea-ZUo1AQiGS-z+BJib8Zr2SYCJLw1EiRBg@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget Liberia and Myanmar (Burma).  They are also still
officially imperial measurement based.

I find it interesting that the inch was officially defined (in 1959) to be
25.40000000000000000000000000000 millimeters.

Paul


On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 9:48?AM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, I don't know who wrote this but I suspect it was copied from a
> submission by T-mobile. DOGE probably fired the engineers who could have
> caught this.
>
> And with the same logic as our retreat from metric conversion, we are the
> only country still using imperial weights and measures.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 9:31?AM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I am dumb, I thought ITA-2 was still 5 bit? If we are counting
>> start/stop bits, 7.5 or 8.5?
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 7:47?AM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "FCC Takes First Step to Address Rules for Obsolete Format for TTY"
>>>
>>> That "obsolete" format is ASCII, not Baudot. The requirement for Baudot
>>> remains.
>>> ( also in the footnote it says ... "Baudot is a *seven* bit code that
>>> operates at a baud rate of 45.5. Id. ? 64.601(a)(9)." )
>>>
>>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-25-35A1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>
> --
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Jul 19 14:19:20 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 18:19:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot is back baby!
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5OQKpDhUPRoWqROjocmuLp+JXQOGTr9pPGWJhosinE4XYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5OQiEscDO6+KLJoYPaitbrUMB6E7h1z=bpE9aCyEcX_jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1er56Y7_F+SNP_z3CVr0zw-+4+17ABYQa4YT1dSLOeSCUviA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMyt5OQKpDhUPRoWqROjocmuLp+JXQOGTr9pPGWJhosinE4XYA@mail.gmail.com>
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> we are the only country still using imperial weights and measures.

I think that even England still has some remnants of imperial measures. Last I heard from friends there was that speed limit signs still included mph.? Serves them right since they were responsible for bringing those measures to us in the first place. LOL

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Saturday, July 19, 2025 at 07:48:19 AM MDT, Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote: 

Yes, I don't know who wrote this but I suspect it was copied from a submission by T-mobile. DOGE probably fired the engineers who could have caught this.

And with the same logic as our?retreat from metric conversion, we are the only country still using imperial weights and measures.

Michael

On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 9:31?AM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I am dumb, I thought ITA-2 was still 5 bit? If we are counting start/stop bits, 7.5 or 8.5??
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2025, 7:47?AM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "FCC Takes First Step to Address Rules for Obsolete Format for TTY"
>> 
>> That "obsolete" format is ASCII, not Baudot. The requirement for Baudot remains.
>> ( also in the footnote it says ... "Baudot is a seven bit code that operates at a baud rate of 45.5. Id. ? 64.601(a)(9)." )
>> 
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-25-35A1.pdf
>> 
> 


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From jim.w2jc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 14:42:38 2025
From: jim.w2jc at gmail.com (Jim Cooper)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 14:42:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] FCC deletes requirement for obsolete ASCII in favor
	of Baudot
In-Reply-To: <6bc739ebc2f8d1c43b650fa76ef39c8f.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <6bc739ebc2f8d1c43b650fa76ef39c8f.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <687A959E.7684.220D35D5@JIM.W2JC.GMAIL.COM>

On 18 Jul 2025 at 9:39, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys 
wrote:

> ASCII obsolete, and Baudot lives on!

so all the deaf users can scrap all their PCs and computers 
and M35 / M33 terminals and buy lots of Model 15s from 
our garages !!




From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 20:44:10 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 19:44:10 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB88219705DDA70B862F8056BEB553A@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAE1er56dTxc2tJXRsjaChrAeCE66j71nJZPqQtODV904-eeUDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1er56Jsf4DjF21JP0J1zpWHZYwikPg8zpsWwuQzGOP1+tZEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Chicago Computer Club, or Chaos Computer Club if you are german or my young
children ?

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025, 7:43?PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:

> what is ccc?
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Eric Moore <
> mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2025 7:09 PM
> *To:* Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Fwd: CCC Meeting July 26th
>
> Hello Greenkeyers,
>
> I will be hosting the next CCC meeting next Saturday at my home in
> Schaumburg.
>
> I have multiple teletypes, some working :) all are welcome!
>
> -Eric
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Eric Moore* <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 9:24?PM
> Subject: CCC Meeting July 26th
> To: <chiclassiccomp at groups.io>
>
>
> Hello Everyone! Thank you to everyone who came, see below a picture from
> early in the day.
>
> I invite everyone to my home workshop for the next CCC meeting July 26th
> from 2 to 7PM
>
> 334 Council Ct.
> Schaumburg, IL
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
> [image: 20250628_144132.jpg]
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From n5mhi.jon at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 12:12:16 2025
From: n5mhi.jon at gmail.com (Jon N5MHI)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 11:12:16 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX Video
Message-ID: <CACtTqED_2+o2keeXNEXWyqUOVVnRQMTP8qrZfdKn1nC8BABT4g@mail.gmail.com>

For those getting one soon.
Here's mine working.

https://youtu.be/88es9iWPiDE
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From wa4kwk at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 17:12:08 2025
From: wa4kwk at gmail.com (john WA4KWK)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 17:12:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
Message-ID: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>

I want to thank everyone that responed to my cry for assistance. Still have
the problem. Very strange though. The unit was running great for years.
Then needed to move so I removed the keyboard and lifted the typing uint
off the base. When I reassembled the two pieces, problem surfaced. In local
loop it does it with every key I press on the keyboard. Pulled the keyboard
and ran ITTY through my ST-6... same issue. Perfect typing just a line feed
after every character.

Thanks again for the comments.
John
WA4KWK
Florida
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Jul 19 17:53:30 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1037769351.935775.1752962010565@mail.yahoo.com>

Is it absolutely every character or are there some possible letters that don't do it (testing for a stuck code lever or bar)?

Have you tried hand turning the motor & watching the mechanism go through a cycle or two?

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Saturday, July 19, 2025 at 03:12:42 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote:

I want to thank everyone that responed?to my cry for assistance. Still have the problem. Very strange though. The unit was running great for years. Then needed to move so I removed the keyboard and lifted the typing uint off the base. When I reassembled the two pieces,?problem surfaced. In local loop it does it with every key I press on the keyboard. Pulled the keyboard and ran ITTY through my ST-6... same issue. Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.?

Thanks again for the comments.
John
WA4KWK
Florida


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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Jul 19 20:02:27 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 00:02:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
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To be sure, I'll ask, is the LF definitely happening AFTER the type bar has finished impacting the platen?
Also, does the LF operate normally when the LF key is pressed at the keyboard?

Another thought...
If the machine is typing the sent text without garbled or skipped characters, then the false line feed is NOT interfering with the reception of the next Space bit & decoding the next character. That seems to eliminate any problems in the selector magnet, sword assy, selector vanes & type bars.??So the LF must be almost simultaneous with the print action or immediately after the type bar has been thrown up to the paper.

The LF is accomplished via one of the Function Levers. When the LF Function Lever is selected (by the position of the Selector Vanes) a notch in the LF bar slides upward to be engaged by the Function Bail (an extension of the Print Bail). If the LF Function bar or LF Push bar are out of place somehow, then the Function Bail part could catch on the LF bar's notch & force a LF at the platen.

So, I think you should give the LF Function Lever & its Push Bar a close examination for broken or bent parts. Something could have happened to these parts when moving or reassembling the machine.

If the machine is set up with loop current, and the keyboard is used for the letter input, with the motor OFF, hand turning the motor while watching the LF Function parts closely, it may show that the Bail is catching the Push Bar for the LF.

I've attached a couple of figures to illustrate the parts & possible situation.


Wayne
WB4OGM

On Saturday, July 19, 2025 at 03:12:42 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 

I want to thank everyone that responed?to my cry for assistance. Still have the problem. Very strange though. The unit was running great for years. Then needed to move so I removed the keyboard and lifted the typing uint off the base. When I reassembled the two pieces,?problem surfaced. In local loop it does it with every key I press on the keyboard. Pulled the keyboard and ran ITTY through my ST-6... same issue. Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.?

Thanks again for the comments.
John
WA4KWK
Florida


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From w2jc at optonline.net  Sat Jul 19 21:18:32 2025
From: w2jc at optonline.net (Jim Cooper)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:18:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
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On 19 Jul 2025 at 17:12, john WA4KWK wrote:

> Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.

Keep in mind, we're dealing with MECHANICS with these 
monsters ... not electronics!   we can SEE how the mechanics 
work, and we can run them in slow motion. 

Have you turned off the motor, connected the kbd and the 
selector magnet in a local look, turn the motor (in the 
proper direction), press a key on the keyboard, keep turning
the motor and WATCH the mechanics ... you should see the 
selector magnet select the 5 codes of the key you pressed; 
then you should see the transfer levers moving into place 
(clearly these are working correctly as you get correct 
characters printed); just keep turning the motor BY HAND 
and watching.  Watch carefully when the typebar is thrust 
toward the platen -- watch the LINKAGE that ratchets the 
platen to the next line.  there is a lever that pulls a ratchet 
that snaps the platen to the next 'notch' for the next line. 

SOMETHING releases that lever ... you need to keep 
sending characters from the keyboard and turning the 
motor by hand until you can SEE what is tripping that 
LF lever ...  then look for the adjustment related to that 
lever and ratchet pawl.  It's all mechanical and adjustable. 

I just read Wayne's response to you, with the very nice 
graphic drawings ... but I'm going to send my response 
anyway just to reinforce his suggestions !!

good luck with it. 

w2jc 




From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Jul 20 12:31:12 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:31:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>

At the risk of beating a dead horse.

It would appear to me that the Line Feed Push Bar is supposed to drop 
down to its stop at the end of each cycle.  That doesn't seem to be 
happening fully and the Function Bail manages catch it each cycle.  I 
think that the accurate print excuses the LF Function Bar from being an 
issue.  If it didn't retract it would interfere with the printing ... 
unless there's enough loose tolerance to allow it to clear the Vanes, 
but not let the LF Push Bar end to drop enough to the clear the Function 
Bail.

One thing that I don't understand is what ensures that the complete LF 
linkage returns to its resting position after moving the platen.one line 
up.  I'd have thought there to be a spring somewhere, but I don't see if 
on figure 21.


On 7/19/2025 8:18 PM, Jim Cooper wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2025 at 17:12, john WA4KWK wrote:
>
>> Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.
> Keep in mind, we're dealing with MECHANICS with these
> monsters ... not electronics!   we can SEE how the mechanics
> work, and we can run them in slow motion.
>
> Have you turned off the motor, connected the kbd and the
> selector magnet in a local look, turn the motor (in the
> proper direction), press a key on the keyboard, keep turning
> the motor and WATCH the mechanics ... you should see the
> selector magnet select the 5 codes of the key you pressed;
> then you should see the transfer levers moving into place
> (clearly these are working correctly as you get correct
> characters printed); just keep turning the motor BY HAND
> and watching.  Watch carefully when the typebar is thrust
> toward the platen -- watch the LINKAGE that ratchets the
> platen to the next line.  there is a lever that pulls a ratchet
> that snaps the platen to the next 'notch' for the next line.
>
> SOMETHING releases that lever ... you need to keep
> sending characters from the keyboard and turning the
> motor by hand until you can SEE what is tripping that
> LF lever ...  then look for the adjustment related to that
> lever and ratchet pawl.  It's all mechanical and adjustable.
>
> I just read Wayne's response to you, with the very nice
> graphic drawings ... but I'm going to send my response
> anyway just to reinforce his suggestions !!
>
> good luck with it.
>
> w2jc
>
>
>
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From bambi.page at gmail.com  Sun Jul 20 02:31:00 2025
From: bambi.page at gmail.com (bambi.page)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:31:00 +1000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Typing Reperforator Model 14 Tape feed sticker info RQ
Message-ID: <CAATx=06T8qsqEiqdKafKhtaCKMktY-h-4hV08o39BE4kknXxsw@mail.gmail.com>

With the Typing Reperforator Model 14 restoration I wish to recreate
the Tape Feed direction sticker.
Would a member have a photo of one in better condition to assist me?
(Located in the tape reel container).
Thank you muchly
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Sun Jul 20 14:22:18 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 13:22:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
	<b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
	<CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71885df2-c8f9-e903-c4cf-535ac4e8dbf5@tapr.org>

Open loop would not normally give constant LF.


On 7/20/2025 1:00 PM, john WA4KWK wrote:
> All printing is very clean. With a local loop and keyboard the line 
> feed is after each character typed. Please see attached. Also with the 
> loop current off and the 15 running open it is doing constant line 
> feeds. Not sure if that matters or not. I have attached a pdf and jpg 
> file to show how clean the typing is.
> I want to thank you guys for trying to help me out.
>
> John
> WA4KWK
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 12:31?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org 
> <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>
>     At the risk of beating a dead horse.
>
>     It would appear to me that the Line Feed Push Bar is supposed to
>     drop down to its stop at the end of each cycle.  That doesn't seem
>     to be happening fully and the Function Bail manages catch it each
>     cycle.  I think that the accurate print excuses the LF Function
>     Bar from being an issue.  If it didn't retract it would interfere
>     with the printing ... unless there's enough loose tolerance to
>     allow it to clear the Vanes, but not let the LF Push Bar end to
>     drop enough to the clear the Function Bail.
>
>     One thing that I don't understand is what ensures that the
>     complete LF linkage returns to its resting position after moving
>     the platen.one line up. I'd have thought there to be a spring
>     somewhere, but I don't see if on figure 21.
>
>
>     On 7/19/2025 8:18 PM, Jim Cooper wrote:
>>     On 19 Jul 2025 at 17:12, john WA4KWK wrote:
>>
>>>     Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.
>>     Keep in mind, we're dealing with MECHANICS with these
>>     monsters ... not electronics!   we can SEE how the mechanics
>>     work, and we can run them in slow motion.
>>
>>     Have you turned off the motor, connected the kbd and the
>>     selector magnet in a local look, turn the motor (in the
>>     proper direction), press a key on the keyboard, keep turning
>>     the motor and WATCH the mechanics ... you should see the
>>     selector magnet select the 5 codes of the key you pressed;
>>     then you should see the transfer levers moving into place
>>     (clearly these are working correctly as you get correct
>>     characters printed); just keep turning the motor BY HAND
>>     and watching.  Watch carefully when the typebar is thrust
>>     toward the platen -- watch the LINKAGE that ratchets the
>>     platen to the next line.  there is a lever that pulls a ratchet
>>     that snaps the platen to the next 'notch' for the next line.
>>
>>     SOMETHING releases that lever ... you need to keep
>>     sending characters from the keyboard and turning the
>>     motor by hand until you can SEE what is tripping that
>>     LF lever ...  then look for the adjustment related to that
>>     lever and ratchet pawl.  It's all mechanical and adjustable.
>>
>>     I just read Wayne's response to you, with the very nice
>>     graphic drawings ... but I'm going to send my response
>>     anyway just to reinforce his suggestions !!
>>
>>     good luck with it.
>>
>>     w2jc
>>
>>
>>
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From wa4kwk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 20 14:00:08 2025
From: wa4kwk at gmail.com (john WA4KWK)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 14:00:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
	<b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>

All printing is very clean. With a local loop and keyboard the line feed is
after each character typed. Please see attached. Also with the loop current
off and the 15 running open it is doing constant line feeds. Not sure if
that matters or not. I have attached a pdf and jpg file to show how clean
the typing is.
I want to thank you guys for trying to help me out.

John
WA4KWK

On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 12:31?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:

> At the risk of beating a dead horse.
>
> It would appear to me that the Line Feed Push Bar is supposed to drop down
> to its stop at the end of each cycle.  That doesn't seem to be happening
> fully and the Function Bail manages catch it each cycle.  I think that the
> accurate print excuses the LF Function Bar from being an issue.  If it
> didn't retract it would interfere with the printing ... unless there's
> enough loose tolerance to allow it to clear the Vanes, but not let the LF
> Push Bar end to drop enough to the clear the Function Bail.
>
> One thing that I don't understand is what ensures that the complete LF
> linkage returns to its resting position after moving the platen.one line
> up.  I'd have thought there to be a spring somewhere, but I don't see if on
> figure 21.
>
> On 7/19/2025 8:18 PM, Jim Cooper wrote:
>
> On 19 Jul 2025 at 17:12, john WA4KWK wrote:
>
>
> Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.
>
> Keep in mind, we're dealing with MECHANICS with these
> monsters ... not electronics!   we can SEE how the mechanics
> work, and we can run them in slow motion.
>
> Have you turned off the motor, connected the kbd and the
> selector magnet in a local look, turn the motor (in the
> proper direction), press a key on the keyboard, keep turning
> the motor and WATCH the mechanics ... you should see the
> selector magnet select the 5 codes of the key you pressed;
> then you should see the transfer levers moving into place
> (clearly these are working correctly as you get correct
> characters printed); just keep turning the motor BY HAND
> and watching.  Watch carefully when the typebar is thrust
> toward the platen -- watch the LINKAGE that ratchets the
> platen to the next line.  there is a lever that pulls a ratchet
> that snaps the platen to the next 'notch' for the next line.
>
> SOMETHING releases that lever ... you need to keep
> sending characters from the keyboard and turning the
> motor by hand until you can SEE what is tripping that
> LF lever ...  then look for the adjustment related to that
> lever and ratchet pawl.  It's all mechanical and adjustable.
>
> I just read Wayne's response to you, with the very nice
> graphic drawings ... but I'm going to send my response
> anyway just to reinforce his suggestions !!
>
> good luck with it.
>
> w2jc
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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>
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>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
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> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sun Jul 20 14:44:52 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:44:52 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <71885df2-c8f9-e903-c4cf-535ac4e8dbf5@tapr.org>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
	<b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
	<CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<71885df2-c8f9-e903-c4cf-535ac4e8dbf5@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <1eda4818b68f599cc5195f543c1dd14a.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Luckily, the model 15 I got from Nick worked "out of the box" except for a
few broken pullbar springs.

As I recall, the line feed is "decoded" by a function bar on the back of
the vanes. There are then several linkages and adjustments. I SUSPECT one
of these adjustments are out such that the mechanism "thinks" that every
character is a line feed even though the line feed function bar does not
move into the vanes.

The adjustment description starts at
https://bitsavers.org/communications/teletype/15/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf#pag=36

Drawings are at
https://bitsavers.org/communications/teletype/15/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf#pag=88


Good luck!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 20 15:13:49 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:13:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <71885df2-c8f9-e903-c4cf-535ac4e8dbf5@tapr.org>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
	<b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
	<CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<71885df2-c8f9-e903-c4cf-535ac4e8dbf5@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <366746027.1050681.1753038829612@mail.yahoo.com>

I believe that in open-loop the print bail is constantly moving back & forth (my machine is not right here where I can look at it now).? If that is so, the function bail is also in constant motion.? If the LF linkage I annotated earlier is indeed being accidentally caught by the function bail being out of place, that would be consistent with constant LFs in open loop.

BTW John, I have not seen the below message in my inbox & therefore none of the attachments you sent.

W2JC:
>?I think that the accurate print excuses the LF Function?Bar from being an issue.
?
I think it excuses the Function Lever (using the manual's term), which is the complicated-looking bit that "feels" the Vanes. The Function Lever has an Extension (a tail piece) that positions the LF Push Bar, so that the LF Push Bar can be? engaged by the Function Bail.
I think my big Navy manual has drawings of all the Function Levers but it's at the hangar & I'm at home.

Wayne
WB4OGM

>> All printing is very clean. With a local loop and keyboard the line 
>> feed is after each character typed. Please see attached. Also with the 
>> loop current off and the 15 running open it is doing constant line 
>> feeds. Not sure if that matters or not. I have attached a pdf and jpg 
>> file to show how clean the typing is.
>> I want to thank you guys for trying to help me out.
>>
>> John
>> WA4KWK








On Sunday, July 20, 2025 at 12:22:46 PM MDT, John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote: 





Open loop would not normally give constant LF.


On 7/20/2025 1:00 PM, john WA4KWK wrote:
> All printing is very clean. With a local loop and keyboard the line 
> feed is after each character typed. Please see attached. Also with the 
> loop current off and the 15 running open it is doing constant line 
> feeds. Not sure if that matters or not. I have attached a pdf and jpg 
> file to show how clean the typing is.
> I want to thank you guys for trying to help me out.
>
> John
> WA4KWK
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 12:31?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org 
> <mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org>> wrote:
>
>? ? At the risk of beating a dead horse.
>
>? ? It would appear to me that the Line Feed Push Bar is supposed to
>? ? drop down to its stop at the end of each cycle.? That doesn't seem
>? ? to be happening fully and the Function Bail manages catch it each
>? ? cycle.? I think that the accurate print excuses the LF Function
>? ? Bar from being an issue.? If it didn't retract it would interfere
>? ? with the printing ... unless there's enough loose tolerance to
>? ? allow it to clear the Vanes, but not let the LF Push Bar end to
>? ? drop enough to the clear the Function Bail.
>
>? ? One thing that I don't understand is what ensures that the
>? ? complete LF linkage returns to its resting position after moving
>? ? the platen.one line up. I'd have thought there to be a spring
>? ? somewhere, but I don't see if on figure 21.
>
>
>? ? On 7/19/2025 8:18 PM, Jim Cooper wrote:
>>? ? On 19 Jul 2025 at 17:12, john WA4KWK wrote:
>>
>>>? ? Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.
>>? ? Keep in mind, we're dealing with MECHANICS with these
>>? ? monsters ... not electronics!? we can SEE how the mechanics
>>? ? work, and we can run them in slow motion.
>>
>>? ? Have you turned off the motor, connected the kbd and the
>>? ? selector magnet in a local look, turn the motor (in the
>>? ? proper direction), press a key on the keyboard, keep turning
>>? ? the motor and WATCH the mechanics ... you should see the
>>? ? selector magnet select the 5 codes of the key you pressed;
>>? ? then you should see the transfer levers moving into place
>>? ? (clearly these are working correctly as you get correct
>>? ? characters printed); just keep turning the motor BY HAND
>>? ? and watching.? Watch carefully when the typebar is thrust
>>? ? toward the platen -- watch the LINKAGE that ratchets the
>>? ? platen to the next line.? there is a lever that pulls a ratchet
>>? ? that snaps the platen to the next 'notch' for the next line.
>>
>>? ? SOMETHING releases that lever ... you need to keep
>>? ? sending characters from the keyboard and turning the
>>? ? motor by hand until you can SEE what is tripping that
>>? ? LF lever ...? then look for the adjustment related to that
>>? ? lever and ratchet pawl.? It's all mechanical and adjustable.
>>
>>? ? I just read Wayne's response to you, with the very nice
>>? ? graphic drawings ... but I'm going to send my response
>>? ? anyway just to reinforce his suggestions !!
>>
>>? ? good luck with it.
>>
>>? ? w2jc
>>
>>
>>
>>? ? ______________________________________________________________
>>? ? GreenKeys mailing list
>>? ? Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>? ? Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
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>>>>>? ? 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>? ? 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>? ? Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>? ? This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net
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>
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 20 15:17:49 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:17:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
	<b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
	<CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1196808531.1058430.1753039069662@mail.yahoo.com>

This arrived late, hence my previous comment about not seeing the images.
This is what I expected to see. It is consistent with the LF Push Bar inadvertently being engaged by the Function Bail on every print cycle. There's something bent/broken/stuck or a missing spring associated with that Push Bar.? You have to examine it closely.? Maybe one of us can take some photos of a worked one for comparison?

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Sunday, July 20, 2025 at 12:40:10 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 

All printing is very clean. With a local loop and?keyboard the line feed is after each character typed. Please see attached. Also with the loop current off and the 15 running open it is doing constant line feeds. Not sure if that matters or not. I have attached a pdf and jpg file to show how clean the typing is.?
I want to thank you guys for trying to help me out.?

John
WA4KWK

On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 12:31?PM John, W9DDD <w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
>??
>??
> At the risk of beating a dead horse.
> 
> It would appear to me that the Line Feed Push Bar is supposed to drop down to its stop at the end of each cycle.? That doesn't seem to be happening fully and the Function Bail manages catch it each cycle.? I think that the accurate print excuses the LF Function Bar from being an issue.? If it didn't retract it would interfere with the printing ... unless there's enough loose tolerance to allow it to clear the Vanes, but not let the LF Push Bar end to drop enough to the clear the Function Bail.? 
> 
> One thing that I don't understand is what ensures that the complete LF linkage returns to its resting position after moving the platen.one line up.? I'd have thought there to be a spring somewhere, but I don't see if on figure 21.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/19/2025 8:18 PM, Jim Cooper wrote:
> 
> 
>>??On 19 Jul 2025 at 17:12, john WA4KWK wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>??Perfect typing just a line feed after every character.
>>> 
>> Keep in mind, we're dealing with MECHANICS with these 
>> monsters ... not electronics!?? we can SEE how the mechanics 
>> work, and we can run them in slow motion. 
>> 
>> Have you turned off the motor, connected the kbd and the 
>> selector magnet in a local look, turn the motor (in the 
>> proper direction), press a key on the keyboard, keep turning
>> the motor and WATCH the mechanics ... you should see the 
>> selector magnet select the 5 codes of the key you pressed; 
>> then you should see the transfer levers moving into place 
>> (clearly these are working correctly as you get correct 
>> characters printed); just keep turning the motor BY HAND 
>> and watching.??Watch carefully when the typebar is thrust 
>> toward the platen -- watch the LINKAGE that ratchets the 
>> platen to the next line.??there is a lever that pulls a ratchet 
>> that snaps the platen to the next 'notch' for the next line. 
>> 
>> SOMETHING releases that lever ... you need to keep 
>> sending characters from the keyboard and turning the 
>> motor by hand until you can SEE what is tripping that 
>> LF lever ...??then look for the adjustment related to that 
>> lever and ratchet pawl.??It's all mechanical and adjustable. 
>> 
>> I just read Wayne's response to you, with the very nice 
>> graphic drawings ... but I'm going to send my response 
>> anyway just to reinforce his suggestions !!
>> 
>> good luck with it. 
>> 
>> w2jc 
>> 
>> 
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 20 15:34:20 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:34:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <1eda4818b68f599cc5195f543c1dd14a.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
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Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or lost.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Sunday, July 20, 2025 at 12:45:42 PM MDT, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 

Luckily, the model 15 I got from Nick worked "out of the box" except for a
few broken pullbar springs.

As I recall, the line feed is "decoded" by a function bar on the back of
the vanes. There are then several linkages and adjustments. I SUSPECT one
of these adjustments are out such that the mechanism "thinks" that every
character is a line feed even though the line feed function bar does not
move into the vanes.

The adjustment description starts at
https://bitsavers.org/communications/teletype/15/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf#pag=36

Drawings are at
https://bitsavers.org/communications/teletype/15/138_Model15_Adj_Oct41.pdf#pag=88


Good luck!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


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From k0yq at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 20 15:48:52 2025
From: k0yq at hotmail.com (John Grimm)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:48:52 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST-8000 sudden death
Message-ID: <DS7PR20MB4830B118092809A4FC1B3CF19C52A@DS7PR20MB4830.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.  Several months back acquired an ST-8000.  Spit shined, cleaned all connectors, new knobs, replaced some LEDs on front board, new 2.0 eproms (TU K9CW) and new Dallas 1220Y module.  Set up as REGEN only and been using the unit the last several months with zero issues everything functioning absolutely perfectly as designed.  I was delighted how well all worked.

Yesterday after a few hours during the NAQP was casually decoding and trying the different AM and FM filters, when suddenly the display went blank and when I tried to reboot just gibberish now on the displays, no boot sequence, powers up but nothing functioning properly just haywire.  This was completely unprovoked no RFI etc. just stopped working, no smoke that I perceived.

I'm scouring the technical manual but if anyone has ANY leads for me cc where to start looking I'd sure be very grateful.  I'm bummed.

Thanks, John / K0YQ
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From elb at kb8ojh.net  Sun Jul 20 16:48:55 2025
From: elb at kb8ojh.net (Ethan Blanton)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 16:48:55 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch ac connector
 on ebay
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JEFF CICCONE via GreenKeys wrote:
> gang.  ac connector on ebay around $30. l just bought one

If anybody figures out how you're supposed to get it apart to put a
cable on it, I'm listening.  ;-)

Ethan

From vk2bea at gmail.com  Sun Jul 20 17:47:28 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:47:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] They're Back - UGC-136 surplus batch ac connector
	on ebay
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Assuming this isn't a joke? hold the inner piece with needle nose pliers
(or push it onto the plug) and rotate the rear piece anticlockwise. (It
unscrews)


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On Sun, Jul 20, 2025, 16:50 Ethan Blanton via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> JEFF CICCONE via GreenKeys wrote:
> > gang.  ac connector on ebay around $30. l just bought one
>
> If anybody figures out how you're supposed to get it apart to put a
> cable on it, I'm listening.  ;-)
>
> Ethan
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sun Jul 20 20:35:31 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 19:35:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!  The same thing happened to me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could not remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!  Some of those springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it, you?ll never know.  I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each character).


> On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or lost.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM

From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 20 23:22:47 2025
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 21:22:47 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX Video
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Message-ID: <10DF34BF-E9D2-4C20-BFBF-92C5DF7CCA77@comcast.net>

Fantastic!

> On Jul 18, 2025, at 10:12?AM, Jon N5MHI <n5mhi.jon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those getting one soon. 
> Here's mine working.
> 
> https://youtu.be/88es9iWPiDE
> Jon - N5MHI
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From erik at bruchez.org  Sun Jul 20 21:04:14 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 18:04:14 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
Message-ID: <CAAc0PEUdFN+0u31bbwgZJZ_xg1Oz6O4jZX_MsJ6BdHatiOHB8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am trying to troubleshoot a Model 33 selector magnet circuit. I don't
know for sure yet but there is a chance that it's the Q1 transistor on the
board. I am wondering if anybody here has ever replaced this transistor,
and if so with what (possibly more modern) part. The original is
Motorola-branded and labeled 181671. The schematics call it a "high gain"
transistor.

-Erik

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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Mon Jul 21 12:36:57 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 12:36:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAAc0PEUdFN+0u31bbwgZJZ_xg1Oz6O4jZX_MsJ6BdHatiOHB8A@mail.gmail.com>
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It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but in
a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the schematic?
I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off switch, or if
it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the magnet for
fast pull in and then low current idle.

Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the health of
the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the transistor
is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of the
schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be curious
to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.

Paul, ad7i


On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 10:22?AM Erik Bruchez <erik at bruchez.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to troubleshoot a Model 33 selector magnet circuit. I don't
> know for sure yet but there is a chance that it's the Q1 transistor on the
> board. I am wondering if anybody here has ever replaced this transistor,
> and if so with what (possibly more modern) part. The original is
> Motorola-branded and labeled 181671. The schematics call it a "high gain"
> transistor.
>
> -Erik
>
> [image: C6BC2216-1423-4DCB-A6BF-7869D424140C.JPG]
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From png-greenkeys at ideaphile.com  Mon Jul 21 13:50:00 2025
From: png-greenkeys at ideaphile.com (Peter N. Glaskowsky)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:50:00 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 available in the SF Bay Area
Message-ID: <CF826D89-2CE8-43D5-A806-C4C61A6B4112@ideaphile.com>

I have a Model 35 that I bought from George Hutchison several years ago along with a couple of spare typing units and some other stuff. I received it in kit form?all the internal subsystems held loosely in place but not wired up.

I haven?t been able to find time to work on it, and with the movers coming on Thursday, I?m thinking maybe it would be better if I just gave this thing to someone who might have more time for it.

It?s located in Mountain House, California?s newest city, just a few miles east of Livermore and west of Tracy.

I will give it to the first person who can commit to taking it away by Wednesday, two days from now. Otherwise I?ll move it and resume hoping to find the time to work on it.

.               k4png


From erik at bruchez.org  Mon Jul 21 14:58:36 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:58:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAHrdqDb0y28nTL+nvDY6NCuUaFmPxR87Co0JvGocc6choKscCA@mail.gmail.com>
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Paul,

It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but in
> a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the schematic?
> I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off switch, or if
> it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the magnet for
> fast pull in and then low current idle.
>

I attach the whole thing. There are explanations in the schematics.

I measure about 0 V on the base of Q1, but also about 0 V on the base of
Q2. My understanding (which could be wrong) is that when one is on, the
other one should be off, and vice versa, which means that 0 V on Q1 should
lead to about 4.7 V on the base of Q2. In any case, I am not getting any
voltage to the selector magnet through Q2 (the large transistor on the heat
sink, separate from the board), which is the original problem I am having.


> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the health of
> the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
>

This is what is leading me to Q1: it seems that there is continuity between
emitter and collector, which I don't think there should be! I have another
instance of the board where this is not the case. (However, that second
board also doesn't seem to work, but there might be something else wrong
with it.) I could desolder the transistor on that one and transplant it to
see if that gets my first board working, but I was trying to avoid doing
that immediately.


> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>

-Erik
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From radio_man at wbsnet.org  Mon Jul 21 17:03:56 2025
From: radio_man at wbsnet.org (RODNEY HOGG)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 17:03:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Paul, 
Do you have a type number or p/n for the transistor. I have 1000s of transistors, civilian and military types, be glad to help you out. 
Rod 
K0EQH 


From: "Erik Bruchez" <erik at bruchez.org> 
To: "Paul Newland, ad7i" <ad7i at ad7i.net> 
Cc: "Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2025 1:58:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement 

Paul, 



It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but in a different form factor. Can you show a larger portion of the schematic? I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off switch, or if it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the magnet for fast pull in and then low current idle. 



I attach the whole thing. There are explanations in the schematics. 

I measure about 0 V on the base of Q1, but also about 0 V on the base of Q2. My understanding (which could be wrong) is that when one is on, the other one should be off, and vice versa, which means that 0 V on Q1 should lead to about 4.7 V on the base of Q2. In any case, I am not getting any voltage to the selector magnet through Q2 (the large transistor on the heat sink, separate from the board), which is the original problem I am having. 

BQ_BEGIN

Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the health of the transistor without removing it from the circuit board. 

BQ_END

This is what is leading me to Q1: it seems that there is continuity between emitter and collector, which I don't think there should be! I have another instance of the board where this is not the case. (However, that second board also doesn't seem to work, but there might be something else wrong with it.) I could desolder the transistor on that one and transplant it to see if that gets my first board working, but I was trying to avoid doing that immediately. 

BQ_BEGIN

I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on). Also (can't see that part of the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current. Same thing for the selector magnet current, if that's possible. 

BQ_END

-Erik 

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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 21 21:04:01 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 20:04:01 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] ASR 33 Print Wheel
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Mr. Aidan is now the proud owner of an MA typewheel, and a new rubber
hammer.

He offered to help me with my model 15 printer, so very excited to see if
we can get it happy!

On that note, I also have a JB weld model 33 asr type wheel still, and my
friend can make more for museums and universities. Super cool idea to use a
fiber laser to etch a wheel too someone shared!

-Eric

On Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 6:18?PM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am, and I have it!
>
> Aidan, ping me off list.
>
> -Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2025, 6:17?PM Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> I included a spare Model 33 type wheel along with a Teletype I sold to
>> Eric Moore a year or two ago. Eric is on this list still, I believe.
>>
>> Mike D
>>
>> > On Jul 17, 2025, at 5:01 PM, Aidan Riley <w9pog73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > Good afternoon all,
>> >
>> > I am looking for a new print wheel for a Model 33 ASR. Does anyone have
>> some spares lying around or know where I could look?
>> >
>> > 73,
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From erik at bruchez.org  Mon Jul 21 14:47:25 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:47:25 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Chuck, all resistors measure correctly, even though a few of them look
toasty. But that's expected on these boards based on what I have seen!

On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 11:30?AM Chuck Rehor <chuck at rehor.com> wrote:

> Paul, are you sure it isn?t the big resistor? It sure looks toasty.
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 12:16?PM Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:
>
>> It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but
>> in a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the
>> schematic?  I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off
>> switch, or if it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the
>> magnet for fast pull in and then low current idle.
>>
>> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the health of
>> the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
>> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
>> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
>> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
>> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
>> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
>> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>>
>> Paul, ad7i
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 10:22?AM Erik Bruchez <erik at bruchez.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am trying to troubleshoot a Model 33 selector magnet circuit. I don't
>>> know for sure yet but there is a chance that it's the Q1 transistor on the
>>> board. I am wondering if anybody here has ever replaced this transistor,
>>> and if so with what (possibly more modern) part. The original is
>>> Motorola-branded and labeled 181671. The schematics call it a "high gain"
>>> transistor.
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
>>> [image: C6BC2216-1423-4DCB-A6BF-7869D424140C.JPG]
>>>
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From chuck at rehor.com  Mon Jul 21 14:29:59 2025
From: chuck at rehor.com (Chuck Rehor)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 13:29:59 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Paul, are you sure it isn?t the big resistor? It sure looks toasty.

On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 12:16?PM Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:

> It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but in
> a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the schematic?
> I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off switch, or if
> it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the magnet for
> fast pull in and then low current idle.
>
> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the health of
> the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>
> Paul, ad7i
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 10:22?AM Erik Bruchez <erik at bruchez.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am trying to troubleshoot a Model 33 selector magnet circuit. I don't
>> know for sure yet but there is a chance that it's the Q1 transistor on the
>> board. I am wondering if anybody here has ever replaced this transistor,
>> and if so with what (possibly more modern) part. The original is
>> Motorola-branded and labeled 181671. The schematics call it a "high gain"
>> transistor.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> [image: C6BC2216-1423-4DCB-A6BF-7869D424140C.JPG]
>>
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Tue Jul 22 11:01:35 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:01:35 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Oh, gosh.  That schematic reminds me of the good old days at AT&T.  I used
to have mild arguments with drafting as to how a schematic should be shown
on paper.  Their approach was often that the schematic was just a graphical
netlist and the goal was to use as few pages as possible.  My position was
that a schematic told a story, in graphic form, a story about how a circuit
worked, so that the reader could easily understand its operation.

Anyway, here's a redrawn version of the schematic with some commentary
below that.  Please let me know if you spot any transcription bugs in the
schematic.

[image: image.png]


A couple of things to note here.  First, I don't see any reference to earth
ground in the original schematic.  To me, that means that this circuit
"floats" with respect to earth ground, and the relationship with ground is
determined by the applied 20mA (or 60mA) current loop (one side of which is
likely grounded directly or through some finite resistance).  When I call
out a voltage on the schematic or text, that voltage is with respect to the
Zero volt bus.

Second, the selector current is BIG, about 0.5 A.  And when Q2 is
conducting,  Q2 is operating in its linear range, so it will get HOT.

Let's look at what happens in the MARKing condition.  In the marking
condition the 20 mA (or 60 mA) of positive current is shoved toward the
base of Q1.  In this condition the loop current flows through CR5 and the
R3 (0.8 ohms) as well as through R1 into the diode network.   Also in this
condition the voltage at the base of Q1 is clamped to about +1.1V, and the
BE junction of Q1 is cut off, so Q1 is out of the picture in the MARKing
state.  The base of Q2 is held at -5.4 volts by the diode network and the
voltage the the emitter of Q2 is held at 4.7 volts (due the diode voltage
at the base, less the diode drop across the Q2 BE junction).  So with a
constant voltage at the emitter of Q2, and a constant resistance between
the emitter and the 0V bus, Q2 forms a constant current driver.  If Q2 has
a decent gain value, then Ic = Ie = 4.7V / (0.8 +1.5 + 8) = 456 mA.  So
that's the marking condition.

In the case of the spacing condition, the 20 mA loop current is disabled
and Q1 is biased on via R1 and the diode network.  This causes Q1 to turn
on and current is sent from the collector of Q1 toward R8, which tends to
rob current from the diode network, sending the voltage at the base of Q2
toward zero volts.  It won't get to zero but it will be close (maybe -1
volts).  With lower voltage at the base of Q2 (and 0.7 to 0.5V less than at
Q2 emitter), that will reduce the selector magnet current significantly
(but I don't think it will go to zero).  In a working circuit the actual
MARKing and SPACEing selector current can be determined by measuring the
voltage across R7 and dividing by 14.

Paul, ad7i



On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 5:04?PM RODNEY HOGG <radio_man at wbsnet.org> wrote:

> Paul,
> Do you have a type number or p/n for the transistor.  I have 1000s of
> transistors, civilian and military types, be glad to help you out.
> Rod
> K0EQH
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Erik Bruchez" <erik at bruchez.org>
> *To: *"Paul Newland, ad7i" <ad7i at ad7i.net>
> *Cc: *"Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Sent: *Monday, July 21, 2025 1:58:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
>
> Paul,
>
>> It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but
>> in a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the
>> schematic?  I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off
>> switch, or if it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the
>> magnet for fast pull in and then low current idle.
>>
>
> I attach the whole thing. There are explanations in the schematics.
>
> I measure about 0 V on the base of Q1, but also about 0 V on the base of
> Q2. My understanding (which could be wrong) is that when one is on, the
> other one should be off, and vice versa, which means that 0 V on Q1 should
> lead to about 4.7 V on the base of Q2. In any case, I am not getting any
> voltage to the selector magnet through Q2 (the large transistor on the heat
> sink, separate from the board), which is the original problem I am having.
>
>
>> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the health of
>> the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
>>
>
> This is what is leading me to Q1: it seems that there is continuity
> between emitter and collector, which I don't think there should be! I have
> another instance of the board where this is not the case. (However, that
> second board also doesn't seem to work, but there might be something else
> wrong with it.) I could desolder the transistor on that one and transplant
> it to see if that gets my first board working, but I was trying to avoid
> doing that immediately.
>
>
>> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
>> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
>> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
>> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
>> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
>> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>>
>
> -Erik
>
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Tue Jul 22 11:19:13 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:19:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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One correction.  In the schematic I noted that the Q1 base voltage during
SPACEing would be  -4.7V.  I don't think that's right.  I think that  -1
volt is a more correct value for the voltage at Q1 base during SPACEing.

Paul





On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 11:01?AM Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:

> Oh, gosh.  That schematic reminds me of the good old days at AT&T.  I used
> to have mild arguments with drafting as to how a schematic should be shown
> on paper.  Their approach was often that the schematic was just a graphical
> netlist and the goal was to use as few pages as possible.  My position was
> that a schematic told a story, in graphic form, a story about how a circuit
> worked, so that the reader could easily understand its operation.
>
> Anyway, here's a redrawn version of the schematic with some commentary
> below that.  Please let me know if you spot any transcription bugs in the
> schematic.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> A couple of things to note here.  First, I don't see any reference to
> earth ground in the original schematic.  To me, that means that this
> circuit "floats" with respect to earth ground, and the relationship with
> ground is determined by the applied 20mA (or 60mA) current loop (one side
> of which is likely grounded directly or through some finite resistance).
> When I call out a voltage on the schematic or text, that voltage is with
> respect to the Zero volt bus.
>
> Second, the selector current is BIG, about 0.5 A.  And when Q2 is
> conducting,  Q2 is operating in its linear range, so it will get HOT.
>
> Let's look at what happens in the MARKing condition.  In the marking
> condition the 20 mA (or 60 mA) of positive current is shoved toward the
> base of Q1.  In this condition the loop current flows through CR5 and the
> R3 (0.8 ohms) as well as through R1 into the diode network.   Also in this
> condition the voltage at the base of Q1 is clamped to about +1.1V, and the
> BE junction of Q1 is cut off, so Q1 is out of the picture in the MARKing
> state.  The base of Q2 is held at -5.4 volts by the diode network and the
> voltage the the emitter of Q2 is held at 4.7 volts (due the diode voltage
> at the base, less the diode drop across the Q2 BE junction).  So with a
> constant voltage at the emitter of Q2, and a constant resistance between
> the emitter and the 0V bus, Q2 forms a constant current driver.  If Q2 has
> a decent gain value, then Ic = Ie = 4.7V / (0.8 +1.5 + 8) = 456 mA.  So
> that's the marking condition.
>
> In the case of the spacing condition, the 20 mA loop current is disabled
> and Q1 is biased on via R1 and the diode network.  This causes Q1 to turn
> on and current is sent from the collector of Q1 toward R8, which tends to
> rob current from the diode network, sending the voltage at the base of Q2
> toward zero volts.  It won't get to zero but it will be close (maybe -1
> volts).  With lower voltage at the base of Q2 (and 0.7 to 0.5V less than at
> Q2 emitter), that will reduce the selector magnet current significantly
> (but I don't think it will go to zero).  In a working circuit the actual
> MARKing and SPACEing selector current can be determined by measuring the
> voltage across R7 and dividing by 14.
>
> Paul, ad7i
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 5:04?PM RODNEY HOGG <radio_man at wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>> Do you have a type number or p/n for the transistor.  I have 1000s of
>> transistors, civilian and military types, be glad to help you out.
>> Rod
>> K0EQH
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Erik Bruchez" <erik at bruchez.org>
>> *To: *"Paul Newland, ad7i" <ad7i at ad7i.net>
>> *Cc: *"Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 21, 2025 1:58:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>> It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but
>>> in a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the
>>> schematic?  I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off
>>> switch, or if it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the
>>> magnet for fast pull in and then low current idle.
>>>
>>
>> I attach the whole thing. There are explanations in the schematics.
>>
>> I measure about 0 V on the base of Q1, but also about 0 V on the base of
>> Q2. My understanding (which could be wrong) is that when one is on, the
>> other one should be off, and vice versa, which means that 0 V on Q1 should
>> lead to about 4.7 V on the base of Q2. In any case, I am not getting any
>> voltage to the selector magnet through Q2 (the large transistor on the heat
>> sink, separate from the board), which is the original problem I am having.
>>
>>
>>> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the
>>> health of the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
>>>
>>
>> This is what is leading me to Q1: it seems that there is continuity
>> between emitter and collector, which I don't think there should be! I have
>> another instance of the board where this is not the case. (However, that
>> second board also doesn't seem to work, but there might be something else
>> wrong with it.) I could desolder the transistor on that one and transplant
>> it to see if that gets my first board working, but I was trying to avoid
>> doing that immediately.
>>
>>
>>> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
>>> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
>>> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
>>> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
>>> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
>>> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>>>
>>
>> -Erik
>>
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>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
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From jomarquilatan at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 11:08:39 2025
From: jomarquilatan at gmail.com (Jomar Quilatan)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:08:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR/LF trivia, in historical context
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Hi GKs,

Just out of curiosity...

Was it ever historically customary to add some kind of diddle or buffer
between transmission of the CR and LF in RTTY, or is that just a modern
courtesy in some feeds?  I do sometimes wonder if the immediate LF
after the CR would, over time, "wear out" or cause occasional issues
lest a machine's CR mechanism be on the slower end to somehow miss
the LF.

I'm wondering if there's any way to tweak MMTTY to interpret newlines
with a little bit of buffer between the CR and LF since it seems
like it doesn't give my M26 a breather on newlines...haha.

Looking forward to your input.
Thanks and 73,

Jomar
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 11:29:42 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:29:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC136-BX is alive!
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OT6eCJjHXC+BhA+3oVBcmf_+Lanx4pfE421xN5+W=qEiw@mail.gmail.com>

The package arrived this morning and it's up and running!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tr1g1ZfozNbQhnnE7

This unit arrived with all the necessary components, manual, power plug,
ribbon and even a roll of paper.

Kudos to John for helping us save the beauties.

Michael


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From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Jul 22 11:33:34 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:33:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR/LF trivia, in historical context
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Its a standard setting in most RTTY software, called "auto-cr-cr-lf".

I actually made a web post about it I can link to when needed:
https://www.junknet.net/radio/rtty/crlf/

Jeff

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 11:25?AM Jomar Quilatan <jomarquilatan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi GKs,
>
> Just out of curiosity...
>
> Was it ever historically customary to add some kind of diddle or buffer
> between transmission of the CR and LF in RTTY, or is that just a modern
> courtesy in some feeds?  I do sometimes wonder if the immediate LF
> after the CR would, over time, "wear out" or cause occasional issues
> lest a machine's CR mechanism be on the slower end to somehow miss
> the LF.
>
> I'm wondering if there's any way to tweak MMTTY to interpret newlines
> with a little bit of buffer between the CR and LF since it seems
> like it doesn't give my M26 a breather on newlines...haha.
>
> Looking forward to your input.
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Jomar
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Jul 22 11:38:45 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:38:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC136-BX is alive!
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5OT6eCJjHXC+BhA+3oVBcmf_+Lanx4pfE421xN5+W=qEiw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPK6WsfD1JJqfOQjbSPdvOYxLcxxE+PeQ+mxdPijRxOXhHCP=w@mail.gmail.com>

WAIT THESE HAVE THE COOL DOT MATRIX DISPLAYS?

Suddenly having Teletype envy. I didn't know that was a thing!

Jeff

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 11:30?AM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:

> The package arrived this morning and it's up and running!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tr1g1ZfozNbQhnnE7
>
> This unit arrived with all the necessary components, manual, power plug,
> ribbon and even a roll of paper.
>
> Kudos to John for helping us save the beauties.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --
>    |\      _,,,---,,_             Michael Katzmann
>    /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_         NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV
>   |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'
>  '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Subject: [GreenKeys] Toasty resistor
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From erik at bruchez.org  Tue Jul 22 11:59:28 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 08:59:28 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Paul,

Amazing, thanks for the work on the schematics! Got it regarding earth. I
had added the symbol myself to indicate "common" to myself, but it is just
clumsiness on my part.

-Erik


On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 8:02?AM Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:

> Oh, gosh.  That schematic reminds me of the good old days at AT&T.  I used
> to have mild arguments with drafting as to how a schematic should be shown
> on paper.  Their approach was often that the schematic was just a graphical
> netlist and the goal was to use as few pages as possible.  My position was
> that a schematic told a story, in graphic form, a story about how a circuit
> worked, so that the reader could easily understand its operation.
>
> Anyway, here's a redrawn version of the schematic with some commentary
> below that.  Please let me know if you spot any transcription bugs in the
> schematic.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> A couple of things to note here.  First, I don't see any reference to
> earth ground in the original schematic.  To me, that means that this
> circuit "floats" with respect to earth ground, and the relationship with
> ground is determined by the applied 20mA (or 60mA) current loop (one side
> of which is likely grounded directly or through some finite resistance).
> When I call out a voltage on the schematic or text, that voltage is with
> respect to the Zero volt bus.
>
> Second, the selector current is BIG, about 0.5 A.  And when Q2 is
> conducting,  Q2 is operating in its linear range, so it will get HOT.
>
> Let's look at what happens in the MARKing condition.  In the marking
> condition the 20 mA (or 60 mA) of positive current is shoved toward the
> base of Q1.  In this condition the loop current flows through CR5 and the
> R3 (0.8 ohms) as well as through R1 into the diode network.   Also in this
> condition the voltage at the base of Q1 is clamped to about +1.1V, and the
> BE junction of Q1 is cut off, so Q1 is out of the picture in the MARKing
> state.  The base of Q2 is held at -5.4 volts by the diode network and the
> voltage the the emitter of Q2 is held at 4.7 volts (due the diode voltage
> at the base, less the diode drop across the Q2 BE junction).  So with a
> constant voltage at the emitter of Q2, and a constant resistance between
> the emitter and the 0V bus, Q2 forms a constant current driver.  If Q2 has
> a decent gain value, then Ic = Ie = 4.7V / (0.8 +1.5 + 8) = 456 mA.  So
> that's the marking condition.
>
> In the case of the spacing condition, the 20 mA loop current is disabled
> and Q1 is biased on via R1 and the diode network.  This causes Q1 to turn
> on and current is sent from the collector of Q1 toward R8, which tends to
> rob current from the diode network, sending the voltage at the base of Q2
> toward zero volts.  It won't get to zero but it will be close (maybe -1
> volts).  With lower voltage at the base of Q2 (and 0.7 to 0.5V less than at
> Q2 emitter), that will reduce the selector magnet current significantly
> (but I don't think it will go to zero).  In a working circuit the actual
> MARKing and SPACEing selector current can be determined by measuring the
> voltage across R7 and dividing by 14.
>
> Paul, ad7i
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 5:04?PM RODNEY HOGG <radio_man at wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>> Do you have a type number or p/n for the transistor.  I have 1000s of
>> transistors, civilian and military types, be glad to help you out.
>> Rod
>> K0EQH
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Erik Bruchez" <erik at bruchez.org>
>> *To: *"Paul Newland, ad7i" <ad7i at ad7i.net>
>> *Cc: *"Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 21, 2025 1:58:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>> It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but
>>> in a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the
>>> schematic?  I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off
>>> switch, or if it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the
>>> magnet for fast pull in and then low current idle.
>>>
>>
>> I attach the whole thing. There are explanations in the schematics.
>>
>> I measure about 0 V on the base of Q1, but also about 0 V on the base of
>> Q2. My understanding (which could be wrong) is that when one is on, the
>> other one should be off, and vice versa, which means that 0 V on Q1 should
>> lead to about 4.7 V on the base of Q2. In any case, I am not getting any
>> voltage to the selector magnet through Q2 (the large transistor on the heat
>> sink, separate from the board), which is the original problem I am having.
>>
>>
>>> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the
>>> health of the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
>>>
>>
>> This is what is leading me to Q1: it seems that there is continuity
>> between emitter and collector, which I don't think there should be! I have
>> another instance of the board where this is not the case. (However, that
>> second board also doesn't seem to work, but there might be something else
>> wrong with it.) I could desolder the transistor on that one and transplant
>> it to see if that gets my first board working, but I was trying to avoid
>> doing that immediately.
>>
>>
>>> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
>>> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
>>> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
>>> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
>>> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
>>> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>>>
>>
>> -Erik
>>
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From erik at bruchez.org  Tue Jul 22 12:03:32 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 09:03:32 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Wayne,

Thanks for pointing out the procedures. I had seen that page but not read
it thoroughly. So yes, my machine is currently "running open". The good
news is that I pretty much went through the steps mentioned, including
keeping the selector magnet closed manually. I do need to try the "pins 7
and 8" step in line mode.

Separately, I did try swapping Q1 between the two boards I have, and it
doesn't improve the situation. So both transistors might be good and the
issue might be somewhere else.

-Erik

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 8:51?AM WAYNE via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Its normal for the big resistor to be "toasty".  Thats why the metal heat
> sync is over it.
>
> Been following you gents input on Q1 issue but had no input to share.
>
> I just hope you troubleshoot properly to get to the reason the machine is
> running open.  There is a procedure on the wiki site that Jeff Albrecht
> kindly set up for us.
>
> https://wiki.theretrowagon.com/wiki/Teletype_Model_33
>
> Also, every time we use a new vinyl hammer would should remember that Dave
> Tumey had those made at considerable cost to him.
>
> 73,
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Tue Jul 22 12:52:46 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:52:46 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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Erik --

If your magnets are running open, there are a couple of voltage tests that
might be helpful.

1.  Put your VOM negative lead on the Zero volt bus.

2.  Measure the voltage on the -20V bus. Is it really -20 volts?
 (anything from -16 to -24 is probably OK).

3.  With the board connected normally to the TTY, connect a 20 mA (or 60
mA) current loop to the right pins with the right polarity to the board.

4.  What is the voltage at the junction of ZD1 and CR4 (I'd expect it to be
about -4.7 volts

5.  What is the voltage at the cathode end of CR4 (which is also the
collector of Q1 and the base of Q2).  I'd expect it to be about -5.4 volts.

6.  What is the voltage at the base of Q1?  I'd expect it to be about +0.3
volts.

7.  What is the voltage at the emitter of Q2.  I'd expect it to be about
-4.7 volts.

8.  What is the voltage at the collector of Q2.  I'd expect it to be about
-10 to -14 volts.

9.  Disconnect the NEG end of your VOM from the zero volt bus and now
measure the voltage across R5 (8 ohms) - POS lead on the junction of R4 and
R5 - NEG lead on the collector of Q2.  The current through R5 is the
Voltage measured divided by 8.

10  Measure the voltage across R7 (14 ohms) - POS lead on the magnet side
of R7 and NEG lead on the -20 bus.  The current through R7 (and thus the
magnet current) is the Voltage measured divided by 14.

Not to cast aspersions about designs by other people, as I understand that
engineers are sometimes constrained (restricted, subdued, subverted and
crushed) by their management, but when I see heat scars like those visible
on the board, I think that more effort should have been put into heat
transfer and dissipation.  Heat and static are the destructors of
electronic components.

Paul



On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 11:59?AM Erik Bruchez <erik at bruchez.org> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Amazing, thanks for the work on the schematics! Got it regarding earth. I
> had added the symbol myself to indicate "common" to myself, but it is just
> clumsiness on my part.
>
> -Erik
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 8:02?AM Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net> wrote:
>
>> Oh, gosh.  That schematic reminds me of the good old days at AT&T.  I
>> used to have mild arguments with drafting as to how a schematic should be
>> shown on paper.  Their approach was often that the schematic was just a
>> graphical netlist and the goal was to use as few pages as possible.  My
>> position was that a schematic told a story, in graphic form, a story about
>> how a circuit worked, so that the reader could easily understand its
>> operation.
>>
>> Anyway, here's a redrawn version of the schematic with some commentary
>> below that.  Please let me know if you spot any transcription bugs in the
>> schematic.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> A couple of things to note here.  First, I don't see any reference to
>> earth ground in the original schematic.  To me, that means that this
>> circuit "floats" with respect to earth ground, and the relationship with
>> ground is determined by the applied 20mA (or 60mA) current loop (one side
>> of which is likely grounded directly or through some finite resistance).
>> When I call out a voltage on the schematic or text, that voltage is with
>> respect to the Zero volt bus.
>>
>> Second, the selector current is BIG, about 0.5 A.  And when Q2 is
>> conducting,  Q2 is operating in its linear range, so it will get HOT.
>>
>> Let's look at what happens in the MARKing condition.  In the marking
>> condition the 20 mA (or 60 mA) of positive current is shoved toward the
>> base of Q1.  In this condition the loop current flows through CR5 and the
>> R3 (0.8 ohms) as well as through R1 into the diode network.   Also in this
>> condition the voltage at the base of Q1 is clamped to about +1.1V, and the
>> BE junction of Q1 is cut off, so Q1 is out of the picture in the MARKing
>> state.  The base of Q2 is held at -5.4 volts by the diode network and the
>> voltage the the emitter of Q2 is held at 4.7 volts (due the diode voltage
>> at the base, less the diode drop across the Q2 BE junction).  So with a
>> constant voltage at the emitter of Q2, and a constant resistance between
>> the emitter and the 0V bus, Q2 forms a constant current driver.  If Q2 has
>> a decent gain value, then Ic = Ie = 4.7V / (0.8 +1.5 + 8) = 456 mA.  So
>> that's the marking condition.
>>
>> In the case of the spacing condition, the 20 mA loop current is disabled
>> and Q1 is biased on via R1 and the diode network.  This causes Q1 to turn
>> on and current is sent from the collector of Q1 toward R8, which tends to
>> rob current from the diode network, sending the voltage at the base of Q2
>> toward zero volts.  It won't get to zero but it will be close (maybe -1
>> volts).  With lower voltage at the base of Q2 (and 0.7 to 0.5V less than at
>> Q2 emitter), that will reduce the selector magnet current significantly
>> (but I don't think it will go to zero).  In a working circuit the actual
>> MARKing and SPACEing selector current can be determined by measuring the
>> voltage across R7 and dividing by 14.
>>
>> Paul, ad7i
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 5:04?PM RODNEY HOGG <radio_man at wbsnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul,
>>> Do you have a type number or p/n for the transistor.  I have 1000s of
>>> transistors, civilian and military types, be glad to help you out.
>>> Rod
>>> K0EQH
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Erik Bruchez" <erik at bruchez.org>
>>> *To: *"Paul Newland, ad7i" <ad7i at ad7i.net>
>>> *Cc: *"Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 21, 2025 1:58:36 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>>> It's probably not all that difficult to find a working replacement, but
>>>> in a different form factor.   Can you show a larger portion of the
>>>> schematic?  I'd like to see if this transistor is operating as an on/off
>>>> switch, or if it's trying to work some magic to regulate the voltage on the
>>>> magnet for fast pull in and then low current idle.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I attach the whole thing. There are explanations in the schematics.
>>>
>>> I measure about 0 V on the base of Q1, but also about 0 V on the base of
>>> Q2. My understanding (which could be wrong) is that when one is on, the
>>> other one should be off, and vice versa, which means that 0 V on Q1 should
>>> lead to about 4.7 V on the base of Q2. In any case, I am not getting any
>>> voltage to the selector magnet through Q2 (the large transistor on the heat
>>> sink, separate from the board), which is the original problem I am having.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Some basic DC measurements might give you some insight into the
>>>> health of the transistor without removing it from the circuit board.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is what is leading me to Q1: it seems that there is continuity
>>> between emitter and collector, which I don't think there should be! I have
>>> another instance of the board where this is not the case. (However, that
>>> second board also doesn't seem to work, but there might be something else
>>> wrong with it.) I could desolder the transistor on that one and transplant
>>> it to see if that gets my first board working, but I was trying to avoid
>>> doing that immediately.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'd be curious to know the voltage from base to emitter when the
>>>> transistor is "ON" (or supposed to be on).   Also (can't see that part of
>>>> the schematic) but if there's a resistor in series with the base I'd be
>>>> curious to know the voltage across the resistor (and the resistance of the
>>>> resistor), and then use ohms law to determine the base current.  Same thing
>>>> for the selector magnet current, if that's possible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
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From kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org  Tue Jul 22 13:24:23 2025
From: kh-phillips at 9-5usa.org (Kevin H. Phillips)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:24:23 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-504
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I had initially just skimmed over all the message regarding the newly 
found AN/UGC-136's.? Then something in the back of my mind "clicked" 
that I might actually already have one those.? I dug into the dark 
recesses of my storage area and found that my memory was not entirely 
playing tricks on me but what I actually have is the Canadian cousin to 
the 136.? I do not remember when I got it but I think I have probably 
had it for 10-15 years.? At the time I got it, the power connectors 
seemed to be "unobtainium" so I never hooked it up.? Now that I know 
that they are "obtainium" again I will obtain one at my earliest 
convenience and see if this machine has any life in it.? I guess the 
print head is another matter.? I do not remember the pedigree of this 
machine.? I may have gotten it from Canada before the shipping costs 
were as exorbitant as they are now.


73

Kevin Phillips

W5TTY


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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Tue Jul 22 14:00:47 2025
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 14:00:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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From erik at bruchez.org  Tue Jul 22 15:09:27 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:09:27 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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>
> if you leave the machine plugged in to AC and turn off the LINE/OFF/Local
> switch to OFF, there is still current running thru the large toasty resistor


I noticed that the electronics were on when I had my multimeter plugged and
the switch OFF. You could get a shock trying to remove the SMD card, in
particular. Of course, I would have known this if I had read your page
ahead of time ;)

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 11:00?AM WAYNE <teletypeparts at comcast.net> wrote:

> On a good 33 ASR, if you leave the machine plugged in to AC and turn off
> the LINE/OFF/Local switch to OFF, there is still current running thru the
> large toasty resistor.
>
> Unplug when not in use.
>
> Wayne
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From pahp at d.umn.edu  Tue Jul 22 15:28:38 2025
From: pahp at d.umn.edu (Peter Peterson)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 14:28:38 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC136-BX S/N A16 at UMN Duluth
Message-ID: <CALKwf_jxUgnt3WiGAUM8DgM+pxoP-FHKBEjQ3yvkkX44_k+XDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Our UGC136-BX arrived in Duluth, MN this morning -- incredibly well
packaged. Ours was in a heavy cardboard box with expanding foam surrounding
a huge anti-static bag. The unit was inside, wrapped in foam and tape. The
humidity sensors were still "blue" and the 27-year old masking tape was
still tenacious. Our unit was manufactured in 1985 by E-Systems and it
looks like it was refurbished in 1998 by SPAWAR.

It's a beautiful machine!

Ours came with the hard to source ribbon cartridge, but no power cable,
manual, or paper. We have a power adapter coming from eBay and some paper,
and we will print a manual once it's scanned.

Here are some photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/zT1HopQRkPjqF3437

Huge thanks to John for taking on this big task... we are incredibly
grateful, and will post more to this thread when we have updates.

Thanks,

Peter



-- 
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Associate Professor
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 15:45:36 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:45:36 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC136-BX S/N A16 at UMN Duluth
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FWIW Dept -
So far I have seen 3 sets of serial numbers
A16 (1984 contract)
00316 (1987 contract)
B248 (1988 contract)

I have seen two manuals - 1985 and 1991.
I got the 1991 one today and will scan and post it.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 3:29?PM Peter Peterson via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Our UGC136-BX arrived in Duluth, MN this morning -- incredibly well
> packaged. Ours was in a heavy cardboard box with expanding foam surrounding
> a huge anti-static bag. The unit was inside, wrapped in foam and tape. The
> humidity sensors were still "blue" and the 27-year old masking tape was
> still tenacious. Our unit was manufactured in 1985 by E-Systems and it
> looks like it was refurbished in 1998 by SPAWAR.
>
> It's a beautiful machine!
>
> Ours came with the hard to source ribbon cartridge, but no power cable,
> manual, or paper. We have a power adapter coming from eBay and some paper,
> and we will print a manual once it's scanned.
>
> Here are some photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/zT1HopQRkPjqF3437
>
> Huge thanks to John for taking on this big task... we are incredibly
> grateful, and will post more to this thread when we have updates.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> --
> Peter A. H. Peterson, Ph.D. (he/him)
> Associate Professor
> Department of Computer Science
> University of Minnesota Duluth (land acknowledgment
> <https://about.d.umn.edu/campus-history/land>)
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 15:49:13 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 15:49:13 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon/Cartridge for UGC-136
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcEWxVxLQoMGCR6+kTtNBZdx5JFFdY-sBN9TJgvSJ5=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Greenkeyer John Toebes picked up a used cartridge from me and is going to
3D model it so they can be printed.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 11:04?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ribbon.htm
>
> Greenkeyers Ron and Michael have found these from Germany.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/352927962791
>
> They look right to me.
> I have made an offer and will see what the response is.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From erik at bruchez.org  Tue Jul 22 15:52:01 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:52:01 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 available in the SF Bay Area
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If only I had room, and time, for it! I am not very far. On the plus side:
I learned something about Mountain House.

On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 11:25?AM Peter N. Glaskowsky <
png-greenkeys at ideaphile.com> wrote:

> I have a Model 35 that I bought from George Hutchison several years ago
> along with a couple of spare typing units and some other stuff. I received
> it in kit form?all the internal subsystems held loosely in place but not
> wired up.
>
> I haven?t been able to find time to work on it, and with the movers coming
> on Thursday, I?m thinking maybe it would be better if I just gave this
> thing to someone who might have more time for it.
>
> It?s located in Mountain House, California?s newest city, just a few miles
> east of Livermore and west of Tracy.
>
> I will give it to the first person who can commit to taking it away by
> Wednesday, two days from now. Otherwise I?ll move it and resume hoping to
> find the time to work on it.
>
> .               k4png
>
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 18:30:45 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 18:30:45 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX sending data
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OTOe2rUnzyiHne1DCDqvF68oJBXbbcGSHYd1N5UNsTJiA@mail.gmail.com>

So far the only thing I'm having issue with is sending data from the
UGC-136BX..
I get nothing on pin 2 when typing on the keyboard. I gel local echo but no
change in the voltage on pin 2.
I've tried setting pin 3 (TX1NH1C) to +6 and to -6V but with no success.
Before I delve into the circuit, if another Greenkeyer has
successfully transmitted from the TTY, please let me know the switch
settings and if you need to tie pin 3.

I might try port 2 (there seems to be three on the 25 pin connector
according to the manual)

BTW I think it was stated that the unit does not do 45.45 Bd ... it does.

Michael

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From wa4kwk at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 18:55:40 2025
From: wa4kwk at gmail.com (john WA4KWK)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 18:55:40 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<687C43E8.8701.289E087C@w2jc.optonline.net>
	<b499cd7d-8bd4-8be9-da10-9360145c2568@tapr.org>
	<CAGs-hdv6=YrcwUXqNx_RL46XRHrzm+x7isoj4uESeENkzUPrbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<71885df2-c8f9-e903-c4cf-535ac4e8dbf5@tapr.org>
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	<2036064300.1056722.1753040060591@mail.yahoo.com>
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I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the drawing
or unit. Where is it located please?

John

WA4KWK

On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 8:36?PM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:

>
> Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!  The same thing happened to
> me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could not
> remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!  Some of those
> springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it,
> you?ll never know.  I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior
> to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each
> character).
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed
> Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype
> Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or
> lost.
> >
> > Wayne
> > WB4OGM
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Jul 22 20:12:53 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (-E)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 19:12:53 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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I scanned the M15 diagram and I?m not seeing one spring right off hand either ? I might just be missing it? but without tearing apart my M19, there are two springs that immediately see (videos attached? hopefully they'll go through).  One I point out with a pen and the other ? again, not immediately obvious in the diagram that I looked at, is in the left-center frame-portion of the vertical video.  For some reason I remember that the one that went missing on mine was next to the platen, but I could be wrong.  A screenshot of that portion next to the patten is also attached.

Good luck!

???

> On Jul 22, 2025, at 5:55?PM, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the drawing or unit. Where is it located please?
> 
> John
> 
> WA4KWK
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 22 20:19:05 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 00:19:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR/LF trivia, in historical context
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radio amateurs made it a habit to send CR CR LF with the idea that 2 CRs gave sufficient time for even a slow machine to get back to the start of the line.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 09:24:57 AM MDT, Jomar Quilatan <jomarquilatan at gmail.com> wrote: 

Hi GKs,

Just out of curiosity...

Was it ever historically customary to add some kind of diddle or buffer
between transmission of the CR and LF in RTTY, or is that just a modern
courtesy in some feeds?? I do sometimes wonder if the immediate LF
after the CR would, over time, "wear out" or cause occasional issues
lest a machine's CR mechanism be on the slower end to somehow miss
the LF.

I'm wondering if there's any way to tweak MMTTY to interpret newlines
with a little bit of buffer between the CR and LF since it seems
like it doesn't give my M26 a breather on newlines...haha.

Looking forward to your input.
Thanks and 73,

Jomar


__________________________________________________________

From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 22 20:20:59 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 00:20:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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Message-ID: <1680242899.1828534.1753230059808@mail.yahoo.com>

If this is still a mystery tomorrow, I'll see if I can examine a M15 & take some pics & notes on the real-world push bar location & spring (if there).

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 06:14:14 PM MDT, -E <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote: 

I scanned the M15 diagram and I?m not seeing one spring right off hand either ? I might just be missing it? but without tearing apart my M19, there are two springs that immediately see (videos attached? hopefully they'll go through). ?One I point out with a pen and the other ? again, not immediately obvious in the diagram that I looked at, is in the left-center frame-portion of the vertical video. ?For some reason I remember that the one that went missing on mine was next to the platen, but I could be wrong. ?A screenshot of that portion next to the patten is also attached.

Good luck!



> On Jul 22, 2025, at 5:55?PM, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the drawing or unit. Where is it located please?
> 
> John
> 
> WA4KWK
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 20:45:08 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 20:45:08 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX sending data
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5OTOe2rUnzyiHne1DCDqvF68oJBXbbcGSHYd1N5UNsTJiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5OTOe2rUnzyiHne1DCDqvF68oJBXbbcGSHYd1N5UNsTJiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdZLqzHdH8CuERyDBEc82nHXFNKP2myRMOcbf=BJb2rrg@mail.gmail.com>

On my 136A ? running full duplex.
On PRINT ENABLE
Off ECHO
On PRINT
AUTO PRINT
I tied DSR to DTR (pins 3-4)

Is the XMIT ACT light on?
Press TX MSG then ENTER

Press CTRL-EXIT to exit transmit mode.

I haven?t fired up my new 136B yet.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 6:31?PM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:

> So far the only thing I'm having issue with is sending data from the
> UGC-136BX..
> I get nothing on pin 2 when typing on the keyboard. I gel local echo but
> no change in the voltage on pin 2.
> I've tried setting pin 3 (TX1NH1C) to +6 and to -6V but with no success.
> Before I delve into the circuit, if another Greenkeyer has
> successfully transmitted from the TTY, please let me know the switch
> settings and if you need to tie pin 3.
>
> I might try port 2 (there seems to be three on the 25 pin connector
> according to the manual)
>
> BTW I think it was stated that the unit does not do 45.45 Bd ... it does.
>
> Michael
>
> [image: IMG_20250722_181834.jpg]
>
>
>
> --
>    |\      _,,,---,,_             Michael Katzmann
>    /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_         NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Tue Jul 22 21:00:22 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 20:00:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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Okay, it?s been a while since I?ve fiddled with my 19, so decided to take it apart.  I did a real world test of taking off the one spring that?s not diagramed and it just caused LF to not feed? so I can?t see how the other spring would do anything much different (I now think my issue was that it would not LF because the spring was off? oh well).  However, looking at the bottom-left of the printing unit? you said you reassembled it after cleaning (or something), right?  I wonder if that either:

1 ? photo attached ? the part that I?m pointing to with the screwdriver (and to the right? the part being the LF lever) are slightly misaligned to where they're constantly getting caught on the upper tooth of the lever and is getting pushed to do a LF whenever the shaft rotates.

2 ? the veins are slightly bent (or misaligned) to where it constantly throws a LF signal onto the teeth (slightly more unlikely but possible).

Please forgive my terminology if it?s off but it?s been years since I?ve poured over this stuff ;p .

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> On Jul 22, 2025, at 7:20?PM, hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
> 
> If this is still a mystery tomorrow, I'll see if I can examine a M15 & take some pics & notes on the real-world push bar location & spring (if there).
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 06:14:14 PM MDT, -E <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> I scanned the M15 diagram and I?m not seeing one spring right off hand either ? I might just be missing it? but without tearing apart my M19, there are two springs that immediately see (videos attached? hopefully they'll go through).  One I point out with a pen and the other ? again, not immediately obvious in the diagram that I looked at, is in the left-center frame-portion of the vertical video.  For some reason I remember that the one that went missing on mine was next to the platen, but I could be wrong.  A screenshot of that portion next to the patten is also attached.
> 
> Good luck!

From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Jul 22 21:01:25 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 18:01:25 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX sending data
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdZLqzHdH8CuERyDBEc82nHXFNKP2myRMOcbf=BJb2rrg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, July 22, 2025 5:45 pm, Nick England wrote:
> On my 136A ??? running full duplex.
> On PRINT ENABLE
> Off ECHO
> On PRINT
> AUTO PRINT
> I tied DSR to DTR (pins 3-4)


If this is standard EIA232, I think 3 and 4 are RTS and CTS. 8 and 20 (as
I recall from 40 years ago) are DSR and DTR...

Harold
https://w6iwi.org



-- 
Not sent from an iPhone.

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 21:24:06 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 21:24:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX sending data
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5OTOe2rUnzyiHne1DCDqvF68oJBXbbcGSHYd1N5UNsTJiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5OTOe2rUnzyiHne1DCDqvF68oJBXbbcGSHYd1N5UNsTJiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdCJQCkDpBPzgxQyWaBxwzu51AzLAWR9DVKmjdYnfn3=g@mail.gmail.com>

I decided to make a quick scan tonight of some useful parts of the manual
for folks who haven't gotten a manual yet.
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ugc136bx-partial.pdf
I will scan the foldout pages tomorrow, but this pdf includes the General
Info, Operation, and Installation chapters.
Have Fun!
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 6:31?PM Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com> wrote:

> So far the only thing I'm having issue with is sending data from the
> UGC-136BX..
> I get nothing on pin 2 when typing on the keyboard. I gel local echo but
> no change in the voltage on pin 2.
> I've tried setting pin 3 (TX1NH1C) to +6 and to -6V but with no success.
> Before I delve into the circuit, if another Greenkeyer has
> successfully transmitted from the TTY, please let me know the switch
> settings and if you need to tie pin 3.
>
> I might try port 2 (there seems to be three on the 25 pin connector
> according to the manual)
>
> BTW I think it was stated that the unit does not do 45.45 Bd ... it does.
>
> Michael
>
>
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Jul 22 22:39:28 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 02:39:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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The part pointed to by the screwdriver is the LF Push Bar. The spadelike part above it, near the step on the bar, is the Function Bail. Like you, I believe the Push Bar is out of position (too high) & the bail is catching it on every print cycle.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 07:01:01 PM MDT, E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote: 

Okay, it?s been a while since I?ve fiddled with my 19, so decided to take it apart.? I did a real world test of taking off the one spring that?s not diagramed and it just caused LF to not feed? so I can?t see how the other spring would do anything much different (I now think my issue was that it would not LF because the spring was off? oh well).? However, looking at the bottom-left of the printing unit? you said you reassembled it after cleaning (or something), right?? I wonder if that either:

1 ? photo attached ? the part that I?m pointing to with the screwdriver (and to the right? the part being the LF lever) are slightly misaligned to where they're constantly getting caught on the upper tooth of the lever and is getting pushed to do a LF whenever the shaft rotates.

2 ? the veins are slightly bent (or misaligned) to where it constantly throws a LF signal onto the teeth (slightly more unlikely but possible).

Please forgive my terminology if it?s off but it?s been years since I?ve poured over this stuff ;p .




> On Jul 22, 2025, at 7:20?PM, hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
> 
> If this is still a mystery tomorrow, I'll see if I can examine a M15 & take some pics & notes on the real-world push bar location & spring (if there).
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 06:14:14 PM MDT, -E <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> I scanned the M15 diagram and I?m not seeing one spring right off hand either ? I might just be missing it? but without tearing apart my M19, there are two springs that immediately see (videos attached? hopefully they'll go through).? One I point out with a pen and the other ? again, not immediately obvious in the diagram that I looked at, is in the left-center frame-portion of the vertical video.? For some reason I remember that the one that went missing on mine was next to the platen, but I could be wrong.? A screenshot of that portion next to the patten is also attached.
> 
> Good luck!
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From robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 23 02:15:39 2025
From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com (Rob Jarratt)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 07:15:39 +0100
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
In-Reply-To: <441249020.9354.1753207247448@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAAc0PEUdFN+0u31bbwgZJZ_xg1Oz6O4jZX_MsJ6BdHatiOHB8A@mail.gmail.com>	<CAHrdqDb0y28nTL+nvDY6NCuUaFmPxR87Co0JvGocc6choKscCA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAAc0PEWeiF1eYeCRvZBe=XrpmN8zbDPBu3iySXCbPGK6JcjXeA@mail.gmail.com>	<347749529.9113984.1753131836767.JavaMail.zimbra@wbsnet.org>	<CAHrdqDYW-ntWhRZ43aPsyYbW8O4iWh2KLizVc2KZy=+s8pB6Gw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAAc0PEV18ekYMcyLQxbebuEnbLZ4iqHFf+7vooBC4FJg-3F=Tw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAHrdqDbm_JDuhci2ix32mBD=Se_M8cyOMSEbbY_h7n7huJdZHw@mail.gmail.com>
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I have noticed this and I keep it unplugged when not in use, but I wondered WHY it was designed this way? Is there a good reason?

 

Rob

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of WAYNE via GreenKeys
Sent: 22 July 2025 19:01
To: Paul Newland, ad7i <ad7i at ad7i.net>; Erik Bruchez <erik at bruchez.org>
Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement

 

On a good 33 ASR, if you leave the machine plugged in to AC and turn off the LINE/OFF/Local switch to OFF, there is still current running thru the large toasty resistor. 

  

Unplug when not in use.  

  

Wayne 

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From nagle at animats.com  Tue Jul 22 23:34:20 2025
From: nagle at animats.com (John Nagle)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 20:34:20 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR LF, etc.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22169.1753231545.31896.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>
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> From:"hwhall at aol.com"  <hwhall at compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CR/LF trivia, in historical context
> 
> radio amateurs made it a habit to send CR CR LF with the idea that 2 CRs
>   gave sufficient time for even a slow machine to get back to the start
> of the line.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 09:24:57 AM MDT, Jomar Quilatan<jomarquilatan at gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
> Was it ever historically customary to add some kind of diddle or buffer
> between transmission of the CR and LF in RTTY, or is that just a modern
> courtesy in some feeds?? I do sometimes wonder if the immediate LF
> after the CR would, over time, "wear out" or cause occasional issues
> lest a machine's CR mechanism be on the slower end to somehow miss
> the LF.
> 
> I'm wondering if there's any way to tweak MMTTY to interpret newlines
> with a little bit of buffer between the CR and LF since it seems
> like it doesn't give my M26 a breather on newlines...haha.

The spec for the Model 15 is that a carriage return should take less 
than two cycles, so CR LF should be enough. If it takes longer than
that, it's time for maintenance.

In the ASCII era, things got a lot more complicated, with faster
speeds and wider carriages. Computer output had to add NUL characters.
I used to write drivers for that sort of thing.

There was once a ham thing for sending CR CR LF LTRS LTRS at the
end of each line, for really bad reception. That was never
wire-line practice with Western Union.

				John Nagle

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 15:46:47 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 15:46:47 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR LF, etc.
In-Reply-To: <b9665f8b-84c0-467d-90bb-8e7f644efedd@animats.com>
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It wasn't just a ham thing - military message formats required CR CR LF
Messages were often punched on tape and then transmitted at 100 wpm.
Example message from a Navy Radioman training manual -

(5 SPACES 2CR LF)
PP RUHPC      (2CR LF)
DE RUHPB 85 01/0841Z     (2CR LF)
ZNR      (2CR LF)
P 010837Z      (2CR LF)
FM CINCPACFLT (2CR LF)
TO RUHPC/NWBJ/USS (2CR LF)
RENSHAW (2CR LF)
BT (2CR LF)
UNCLAS (2CR LF)
1. THIS PLAINDRESS (2CR LF)
SINGLE-ADDRESS MSG IS (2CR LF)
....

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:07?AM John Nagle via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> > From:"hwhall at aol.com"  <hwhall at compuserve.com>
> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CR/LF trivia, in historical context
> >
> > radio amateurs made it a habit to send CR CR LF with the idea that 2 CRs
> >   gave sufficient time for even a slow machine to get back to the start
> > of the line.
> >
> > Wayne
> > WB4OGM
> >
>
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 17:20:13 2025
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 14:20:13 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] CR LF, etc.
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A few years ago when I got my M19 up and running, I tried to copy the W1AW
ARRL bulletin. Sure enough, I had problems at the left margin. They were
sending only one CR. I contacted them and, even though they were using
fldigi and could fix it easily, they were unwilling to do anything about
it. I haven't checked lately, but I know they changed the transmitted mark
frequency since then. I think true RTTY is becoming a lost art. Computers
are taking over the world.
Bill
KE3BK

On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 12:47?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> It wasn't just a ham thing - military message formats required CR CR LF
> Messages were often punched on tape and then transmitted at 100 wpm.
> Example message from a Navy Radioman training manual -
>
> (5 SPACES 2CR LF)
> PP RUHPC      (2CR LF)
> DE RUHPB 85 01/0841Z     (2CR LF)
> ZNR      (2CR LF)
> P 010837Z      (2CR LF)
> FM CINCPACFLT (2CR LF)
> TO RUHPC/NWBJ/USS (2CR LF)
> RENSHAW (2CR LF)
> BT (2CR LF)
> UNCLAS (2CR LF)
> 1. THIS PLAINDRESS (2CR LF)
> SINGLE-ADDRESS MSG IS (2CR LF)
> ....
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:07?AM John Nagle via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> > From:"hwhall at aol.com"  <hwhall at compuserve.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CR/LF trivia, in historical context
>> >
>> > radio amateurs made it a habit to send CR CR LF with the idea that 2 CRs
>> >   gave sufficient time for even a slow machine to get back to the start
>> > of the line.
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> > WB4OGM
>> >
>>
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From wcwuttke at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 19:02:35 2025
From: wcwuttke at gmail.com (William Wuttke)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 16:02:35 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] W1AW RTTY Bulletin
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I just checked the 20 meter RTTY bulletin. It looks like they are using the
"fldigi standard".
They transmit on 14.095 USB with the RTTY carrier at 1.5 KHz above that
(14.096500) with the mark frequency 14.096585. They used to use 14.095 as
the RTTY carrier freq - mark at 14.09585. They still don't do CRCRLF. I
guess they are setting new standards.
Bill
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Wed Jul 23 19:36:11 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 23:36:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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Took some pics of the LF Push Bar, LF Push Bar Spring & LF Bail. The spring never showed in the usual drawings because it would've been behind the LF Bail, I guess. It's indicated in the attached photo by a round green dot.

When the Vanes encode for a LF, the LF Function Lever can rotate forward (toward typist) on a pivot near its lower-front end. That causes the LF Function Lever Extenstion (a sort of tail piece) to rotate upwards, lifting the LF Push Bar so that the step on its upper edge can be caught by the Function Bail, initiating the LF movements. For some reason, TBD by inspection, the LF Push Bar is sitting too high when characters are being printed - the same bail rotation that moves the typing bars is shoving the LF Push Bar when it shouldn't be.

I also have a short video of the LF Function Lever rotating & operating the LF Push Bar if necessary.

Wayne
WB4OGM


On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 

I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the drawing or unit. Where is it located please?

John

WA4KWK

On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 8:36?PM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!? The same thing happened to me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could not remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!? Some of those springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it, you?ll never know.? I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each character).
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or lost.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> WB4OGM
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 20:30:21 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 20:30:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX manual now on line
In-Reply-To: <420d1330-34a9-4836-8a81-ba72d814375e@austin.rr.com>
References: <420d1330-34a9-4836-8a81-ba72d814375e@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeBNycw-dXp7Kqtm+DncUT1dZR6a34ufZzKZ_bh+571jg@mail.gmail.com>

I have scanned the July 1991 edition of the UGC-136BX manual.
To make things easier to print, I have also broken out separate files of
the fold-out pages (some are 11x48) and the letter-sized pages (8.5x11).
The complete thing is about 300MB. Links are at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm

Please let me know if I need to re-scan anything.

Have Fun!
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 00:05:49 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 00:05:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX Power
Message-ID: <CAMyt5ORiGkLT6Fi38iQAwXgt76MAND5Z8V-esgH6mN9sOoFs4Q@mail.gmail.com>

FYI ... I've had an earth leakage breaker trip several times when
connecting the power connector to the back of the teleprinter (when the
machine is turned off).

I think what is happening is, since all the pins are the same length, the
active and earth sometimes connect before neutral. There is a filter block
between the power connector and the switch which could give enough current
to pop the earth leakage breaker.

Anyway .. connect the Amphenol connector before plugging the NEMA plug into
the power point (and, when disconnecting, remove from the powerpoint before
disconnecting from the teleprinter).

Michael

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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Thu Jul 24 10:06:48 2025
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 14:06:48 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX sending data
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This speed thing is a curious issue. I have seen discussion of needing a speed converter, but the picture below from Michael shows 45.45 baud. Has anyone confirmed the UGC will actually work for 45.45 using this setting?




73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos





________________________________
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Michael Katzmann <vk2bea at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2025 6:30 PM
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX sending data

So far the only thing I'm having issue with is sending data from the UGC-136BX..
I get nothing on pin 2 when typing on the keyboard. I gel local echo but no change in the voltage on pin 2.
I've tried setting pin 3 (TX1NH1C) to +6 and to -6V but with no success.
Before I delve into the circuit, if another Greenkeyer has successfully transmitted from the TTY, please let me know the switch settings and if you need to tie pin 3.

I might try port 2 (there seems to be three on the 25 pin connector according to the manual)

BTW I think it was stated that the unit does not do 45.45 Bd ... it does.

Michael

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From frledda at att.net  Thu Jul 24 08:21:18 2025
From: frledda at att.net (Francesco Ledda)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 07:21:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX manual now on line
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From kg2bz at comcast.net  Thu Jul 24 08:46:02 2025
From: kg2bz at comcast.net (comcast)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 08:46:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX manual now on line. signal line pinout
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From wf2u at ws19ops.com  Thu Jul 24 09:33:38 2025
From: wf2u at ws19ops.com (Meir Ben-Dror WF2U)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 09:33:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX manual now on line
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeBNycw-dXp7Kqtm+DncUT1dZR6a34ufZzKZ_bh+571jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you Nick!

John, I just got mine yesterday. Thank you!Haven't unpacked it, just looked at the paperwork that shows it was overhauled, including paint, tested and was ready to be issued. 

I'm looking for solutions for a baud converter, as other new owners of the UGC-136BX.
I have a Dovetron Tempest MPC-1000T II and a HAL-6000. 
I can also install the NOS RTTY modem option for my Harris RF-350, but as far as I know, it doesn't have baud conversion capability.
I'm trying to avoid using a computer as a solution for baud conversion.

73, Meir WF2U
Landrum, SC



On Jul 23, 2025, 8:30?PM, at 8:30?PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>I have scanned the July 1991 edition of the UGC-136BX manual.
>To make things easier to print, I have also broken out separate files
>of
>the fold-out pages (some are 11x48) and the letter-sized pages
>(8.5x11).
>The complete thing is about 300MB. Links are at
>https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>
>Please let me know if I need to re-scan anything.
>
>Have Fun!
>Nick England K4NYW
>www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 12:21:49 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 12:21:49 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX manual now on line
In-Reply-To: <eb1b0ad8-5ac1-4a26-91ba-e723b549c4c8@ws19ops.com>
References: <420d1330-34a9-4836-8a81-ba72d814375e@austin.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB55hNfh6ww-5rCqTFObn8OFKakZ_bN2Gg8CeivY4_O1tf2+Lg@mail.gmail.com>

No baud conversion needed! It has 45 baud!
I can't see it in the auction photos and the AX version I've had for
several years only goes down to 50 baud.
But this BX version does indeed handle 45 baud. Thanks to Francesco for
pointing that out after he opened his box.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 9:33?AM Meir Ben-Dror WF2U <wf2u at ws19ops.com> wrote:

> Thank you Nick!
>
> John, I just got mine yesterday. Thank you!Haven't unpacked it, just
> looked at the paperwork that shows it was overhauled, including paint,
> tested and was ready to be issued.
>
> I'm looking for solutions for a baud converter, as other new owners of the
> UGC-136BX.
> I have a Dovetron Tempest MPC-1000T II and a HAL-6000.
> I can also install the NOS RTTY modem option for my Harris RF-350, but as
> far as I know, it doesn't have baud conversion capability.
> I'm trying to avoid using a computer as a solution for baud conversion.
>
> 73, Meir WF2U
> Landrum, SC
>
> On Jul 23, 2025, at 8:30?PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have scanned the July 1991 edition of the UGC-136BX manual.
>> To make things easier to print, I have also broken out separate files of
>> the fold-out pages (some are 11x48) and the letter-sized pages (8.5x11).
>> The complete thing is about 300MB. Links are at
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>>
>> Please let me know if I need to re-scan anything.
>>
>> Have Fun!
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
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From ranickels at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 14:04:34 2025
From: ranickels at gmail.com (Robert Nickels)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:04:34 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Electrocom 402
Message-ID: <67fa2ed9-2c2a-48d5-a8c2-629247acb9f7@gmail.com>

Wonder if anyone has or has experience with this FSK demodulator?? Or 
model 400 which is similar.? Looks like the HV power supply in mine has 
become an epoxy-potted heating element ;-)

Thanks and 73,
Bob W9RAN
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 14:45:01 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 14:45:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX observations
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OTd=hUdURGMNU1_Qt-F_SyvJOXwxU9atrx9q-15wNCj6Q@mail.gmail.com>

The UGC-136BX seems to be configured to a specific Navy (submarine)
workflow.

It seems all received messages are saved into a memory location in
the UGC-136B, and the location is *printed* before the message. If I
receive a message (QBF), then I see

*MPN 132 A.P.*
*THE QUICK BROWN FOX*

If a delay (mark) of more than 5 seconds occurs, the memory is closed. Upon
receipt of the next text, a new memory location is opened
*MPN 133 A.P.*
*THE QUICK BROWN FOX (SECOND LINE)*

According to the manual, setting the Norm/Auto Print switch to "Auto print"
will prevent the saving to memory but I do not see this (it always adds a
MPN XXX).

This is all a little awkward for amateur radio use. The processor is an
8080 clone, so it might be possible to disassemble the code and mitigate
some of these annoyances. (although that would be quite daunting)


Michael


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From rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com  Thu Jul 24 15:45:34 2025
From: rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com (rolexa at wirelessimplementation.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 15:45:34 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] My UGC-136 has arrived!
Message-ID: <49b78b5d-c46d-4699-a8b7-6da54951f7ff@wirelessimplementation.com>

I just helped the Fedex driver unload this monstrous box and it's now 
safe in my shop.? Hope to find time this weekend to begin the unboxing 
ceremony.? The power connector from MilSpecWest arrived yesterday, and 
I'm still hunting for a DB25 connector so I can build the interface to 
my Dovetron Tempest TU.

I saw some questions about the wiring of the DB25.? Any thoughts on the 
connections of pin 4 and 5 as well as any others outside the data/gnd? 
123 pins?

If all goes well and there's a ribbon included, I should be listening to 
an ITTY transmission on Saturday PM.

Thanks again John for saving these from the dumpster.? I trust they are 
all going to good homes.

ron

KA3JIJ


From wa4kwk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 17:10:58 2025
From: wa4kwk at gmail.com (john WA4KWK)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 17:10:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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Wayne thank you so much for your efforts. The spring is there.... looks
intact. Rotating the motor by hand.. the platen does a LF each cycle. Hard
to see but the LF Push Bar moves cleanly each cycle.
Not sure what to do next. But I will continue.

Thanks again,
John
WA4KWK

On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 7:36?PM hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com>
wrote:

> Took some pics of the LF Push Bar, LF Push Bar Spring & LF Bail. The
> spring never showed in the usual drawings because it would've been behind
> the LF Bail, I guess. It's indicated in the attached photo by a round green
> dot.
>
> When the Vanes encode for a LF, the LF Function Lever can rotate forward
> (toward typist) on a pivot near its lower-front end. That causes the LF
> Function Lever Extenstion (a sort of tail piece) to rotate upwards, lifting
> the LF Push Bar so that the step on its upper edge can be caught by the
> Function Bail, initiating the LF movements. For some reason, TBD by
> inspection, the LF Push Bar is sitting too high when characters are being
> printed - the same bail rotation that moves the typing bars is shoving the
> LF Push Bar when it shouldn't be.
>
> I also have a short video of the LF Function Lever rotating & operating
> the LF Push Bar if necessary.
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <
> wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the
> drawing or unit. Where is it located please?
>
> John
>
> WA4KWK
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 8:36?PM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!  The same thing happened
> to me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could
> not remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!  Some of those
> springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it,
> you?ll never know.  I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior
> to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each
> character).
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed
> Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype
> Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or
> lost.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >> WB4OGM
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 18:59:14 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 18:59:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX helpful hint #1
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If you get really desperate and read the manual, you might avoid my
frustration at getting my new toy working.

BITE was okay. Hooked TXD to RXD and got echoed characters okay. But I was
printing garbage from my test generator and eventually figured out I needed
to invert the signals. So I flipped the invert switch and nothing changed.
When is a switch not a switch? When it has to be read by software?.

Time to RTFM - this thing has 3 ports and I was guessing that maybe one of
the unused ports was messing with Port 1
AHA! Table 2-4 starting at step 11
Yes Port 3 was set to Bulk Storage so I set it to N to disconnect it. No
joy. Keep reading.

Oh, you have to re-initialize a port after changing a configuration switch
(e.g. INVERT)
See steps 11-20
Hurrah, I can send and receive!
Now you too know how to invert signals if needed in your setup.

On to read more about messages, etc.
what fun!

No, I have no info on Bulk Storage or Page Display peripherals.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 8:30?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have scanned the July 1991 edition of the UGC-136BX manual.
> To make things easier to print, I have also broken out separate files of
> the fold-out pages (some are 11x48) and the letter-sized pages (8.5x11).
> The complete thing is about 300MB. Links are at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>
> Please let me know if I need to re-scan anything.
>
> Have Fun!
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 20:34:31 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 19:34:31 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Raytheon E-Systems KG-84 TRUNK INTERFACE
Message-ID: <CAE1er558SiakuP_OA2wXbPJbMyZWrfG9SGaXt+yL=umGpva7+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Useless I think without a key fill device. I may open it up and shove a
microcontroller and uart in there for display purposes to drive the
E-Systems terminal.

-Eric
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 21:03:28 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 21:03:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX helpful hint #1
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdXvCJGv8se2tEh18gRbEJ35yQqXbT76QvtuRvdT_RzCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <420d1330-34a9-4836-8a81-ba72d814375e@austin.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNeBNycw-dXp7Kqtm+DncUT1dZR6a34ufZzKZ_bh+571jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB55hNc7J8vXw3G_ZA0msnhHb+ao_efDdx-ppMCvgSZhYSLFww@mail.gmail.com>

I?ve started posting helpful hints at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints

Additions and comments welcome!
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 6:59?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you get really desperate and read the manual, you might avoid my
> frustration at getting my new toy working.
>
> BITE was okay. Hooked TXD to RXD and got echoed characters okay. But I was
> printing garbage from my test generator and eventually figured out I needed
> to invert the signals. So I flipped the invert switch and nothing changed.
> When is a switch not a switch? When it has to be read by software?.
>
> Time to RTFM - this thing has 3 ports and I was guessing that maybe one of
> the unused ports was messing with Port 1
> AHA! Table 2-4 starting at step 11
> Yes Port 3 was set to Bulk Storage so I set it to N to disconnect it. No
> joy. Keep reading.
>
> Oh, you have to re-initialize a port after changing a configuration switch
> (e.g. INVERT)
> See steps 11-20
> Hurrah, I can send and receive!
> Now you too know how to invert signals if needed in your setup.
>
> On to read more about messages, etc.
> what fun!
>
> No, I have no info on Bulk Storage or Page Display peripherals.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 8:30?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have scanned the July 1991 edition of the UGC-136BX manual.
>> To make things easier to print, I have also broken out separate files of
>> the fold-out pages (some are 11x48) and the letter-sized pages (8.5x11).
>> The complete thing is about 300MB. Links are at
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>>
>> Please let me know if I need to re-scan anything.
>>
>> Have Fun!
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
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From kn4ucl at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 08:01:05 2025
From: kn4ucl at gmail.com (Andy KN4UCL)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 08:01:05 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX helpful hint #1
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Thu Jul 24 21:34:30 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 01:34:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
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The LF Push Bar gets moved by the end of the Function Bail. Normally, unless a LF signal has been decoded, the Function Bail should not be able to touch the LF Push Bar (close, but not quite).

Manually verify that the LF Push Bar can wiggle up & down - it may be jammed a little so that the spring can't pull it far enough down & clear of the Bail.

The tail piece ("Extension") of the LF Function Lever may have gotten bent during the move, so that it is holding the LF Push Bar just a bit too high even when the LF function has not been detected.

Can you figure out how to set up the vanes for a LF function? If you can, that should let the LF Function Lever rotate & then you can see if it's raising & lowering the LF Push Bar.

Attached is a video clip (MP4) showing the LF Function Lever extension/tail-piece moving the LF Push Bar up & down. In the upward position, it would be caught by the Function Bail & pushed backwards (thus initiating the LF at the platen).

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Thursday, July 24, 2025 at 03:11:11 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 

Wayne thank you so much for your efforts. The spring is there.... looks intact. Rotating the motor by hand.. the platen does a LF each cycle. Hard to see but the LF Push Bar moves cleanly each cycle.?
Not sure what to do next. But I will continue.

Thanks again,
John
WA4KWK

On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 7:36?PM hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
> Took some pics of the LF Push Bar, LF Push Bar Spring & LF Bail. The spring never showed in the usual drawings because it would've been behind the LF Bail, I guess. It's indicated in the attached photo by a round green dot.
> 
> When the Vanes encode for a LF, the LF Function Lever can rotate forward (toward typist) on a pivot near its lower-front end. That causes the LF Function Lever Extenstion (a sort of tail piece) to rotate upwards, lifting the LF Push Bar so that the step on its upper edge can be caught by the Function Bail, initiating the LF movements. For some reason, TBD by inspection, the LF Push Bar is sitting too high when characters are being printed - the same bail rotation that moves the typing bars is shoving the LF Push Bar when it shouldn't be.
> 
> I also have a short video of the LF Function Lever rotating & operating the LF Push Bar if necessary.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the drawing or unit. Where is it located please?
> 
> John
> 
> WA4KWK
> 
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 8:36?PM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!? The same thing happened to me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could not remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!? Some of those springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it, you?ll never know.? I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each character).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or lost.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> WB4OGM
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From pahp at d.umn.edu  Fri Jul 25 10:40:48 2025
From: pahp at d.umn.edu (Peter Peterson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 09:40:48 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX manual now on line
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNeBNycw-dXp7Kqtm+DncUT1dZR6a34ufZzKZ_bh+571jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <420d1330-34a9-4836-8a81-ba72d814375e@austin.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNeBNycw-dXp7Kqtm+DncUT1dZR6a34ufZzKZ_bh+571jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Nick,

Is the original manual US Letter dimension (8.5x11 bound on the 11"
dimension) or something smaller (e.g. half-letter bound on the 8.5"
dimension)? It sounds like us letter bound on the 11" dimension with some
fold-outs going out to 48" but I just want to make sure I understand.

I'm traveling now, but I'm going to try to talk to our print shop on Monday
about how to construct this thing and, if possible, what the best and/or
original dimensions are.

If you wouldn't mind, it could be helpful if you would send me some
pictures of the thing, including how it's currently bound and what a couple
of the fold-outs look like.

I will report back with whatever I learn!

Thanks,

Peter

Peter A. H. Peterson, Ph.D. (he/him)
Associate Professor
Department of Computer Science
University of Minnesota Duluth (land acknowledgment
<https://about.d.umn.edu/campus-history/land>)


On Wed, Jul 23, 2025, 7:30?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have scanned the July 1991 edition of the UGC-136BX manual.
> To make things easier to print, I have also broken out separate files of
> the fold-out pages (some are 11x48) and the letter-sized pages (8.5x11).
> The complete thing is about 300MB. Links are at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm
>
> Please let me know if I need to re-scan anything.
>
> Have Fun!
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 14:56:17 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:56:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] CCC Meeting July 26th
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Hello everyone, reminder that we will be hosting the chicago computer club
at my home tomorrow. Details below in this thread.

We will be cataloguing a collection of machines from Tom Kleinschmidt, who
will be joining us in person.

All are welcome!

-Eric

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 6:09?PM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Greenkeyers,
>
> I will be hosting the next CCC meeting next Saturday at my home in
> Schaumburg.
>
> I have multiple teletypes, some working :) all are welcome!
>
> -Eric
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2025 at 9:24?PM
> Subject: CCC Meeting July 26th
> To: <chiclassiccomp at groups.io>
>
>
> Hello Everyone! Thank you to everyone who came, see below a picture from
> early in the day.
>
> I invite everyone to my home workshop for the next CCC meeting July 26th
> from 2 to 7PM
>
> 334 Council Ct.
> Schaumburg, IL
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
> [image: 20250628_144132.jpg]
>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 17:21:12 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 17:21:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX helpful hint #1
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNc7J8vXw3G_ZA0msnhHb+ao_efDdx-ppMCvgSZhYSLFww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <420d1330-34a9-4836-8a81-ba72d814375e@austin.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNeBNycw-dXp7Kqtm+DncUT1dZR6a34ufZzKZ_bh+571jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hint #8
Dry ribbon? Or maybe the print head is positioned away from the paper
 -adjust the head position forward using the carriage shaft lever - photo
<https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg>

I've been adding more hints as I have uncovered questions or went DOH!

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 9:03?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?ve started posting helpful hints at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
>
> Additions and comments welcome!
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Jul 26 08:55:57 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:55:57 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] First UGC-136BX QSO
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeQmhdfJb=OJu4b5b3G8y=j2xjWydEV5fTZJEzkT+wrgA@mail.gmail.com>

Zach W8ZJT is on the air with his UGC-136BX this morning on the 7087 USB
net.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Jul 26 12:46:18 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 12:46:18 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX unanswered mail (and some answers)
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfE464W7Luwx7rge4F=oYi5mJ9W3h1Y+TjVmPDP9b5vpg@mail.gmail.com>

I just discovered that I can post to Greenkeys but am no longer receiving
email from Greenkeys. Not in my spam or trash folders. So I am searching
the archives....
Apologies to people who have asked questions that I might have responded to
earlier-

Jeff and Ron -
DB25 Connector - I am using pins 1 and 2 only - not connecting to anything
else other than pin 24 signal ground.

Jeff - I haven't investigated a transmitter keyline connection yet.

Michael - Sounds like you are not actually in autoprint (A.P.)
The microprocessor does not register switch configurations until you
perform port initialization
See steps 11-20 of Table 2-4
CTRL-2 (PORT STATUS) will print out the current status of your 3 ports.
Port 1 is the main comm line, Port 2 is not connected, and Port 3 is LED
one-line display
CTRL-1 (PORT INIT) will let you set Port 1 to C (comm) and read the config
switches.
When you exit from PORT INIT, these settings will be saved.
I am running A.P. and when I get an incoming message it will print A.P. as
a header rather than MPN xx - no message is stored.

FULL DUPLEX OPERATION
I am currently running full duplex without using stored messages
XMIT ECHO OFF. XMIT PRINT ON. AUTOPRINT ON
(if needed, do the PORT INIT thing above to register the switch settings)
Press MSG TX then ENTER to enable transmitting. XMIT ACT lamp is lit.
The machine will also receive and print text if PRINT ENABLE is ON.
If PRINT ENABLE is OFF, then the incoming text will be stored and then
printed when you turn PRINT ENABLE back ON.

Follow me for more Helpful UGC-136BX Hints
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
I will keep adding info as it gets uncovered

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sat Jul 26 16:19:31 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:19:31 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Baudot speed converter
Message-ID: <CH3PR19MB7929AB6753D5BBEF678A6D3AD858A@CH3PR19MB7929.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

As an FYI:

An AEA PK-232 makes a very nice speed converter; set the right mode, AFSK into the audio port; use the console (DB25) port for your Device. In fact, if you connect your Device up as RS232 propery, issuing a few asterisks *** will perform the console port 'autobaud' routine. Then if you issue 'ba' it will switch the 232 to Baudot.

I have several of these things, and have used them for this purpose more than once. It's fun to hook an ASR33 to the console at 110 Baud, then receive 45 Baud RTTY - the 33 goes essentially 'half-speed' - print / pause / print / pause   etc.

PK-232s are still fairly plentiful - one sees them at hamswaps for cheap bux (unless the Seller is a bit delusional - two years ago I saw three of them for $650 each - when I gently and diplomatically suggested that maybe the decimal point was misplaced, said seller got huffy and I got lectured about "Rare Legacy Digital Artefacts'.  I didn't bother telling him that I bought my first PK-232 serial number 0079 from Henry Radio in the early 80s).

Cheerz
John KB6SCO
Carson City NV
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 26 16:26:37 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 16:26:37 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX Power
In-Reply-To: <CAMyt5ORiGkLT6Fi38iQAwXgt76MAND5Z8V-esgH6mN9sOoFs4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMyt5ORiGkLT6Fi38iQAwXgt76MAND5Z8V-esgH6mN9sOoFs4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8894f036-97f1-41c9-8a74-2952165ad994@earthlink.net>

The time is 1615 here, and I just received 6 emails about the UGC-135BX, 
with time stamps from 0005 to 1221. Wonder where they have been??

Michael,

Military TTYs often have big filters on the AC line that will trip a 
GFCI.? I have had problems with a TT-69A & TT-98 and had to install a 
separate AC receptacle for them.? I also put a switch on the receptacle 
because those filter caps are always directly across the AC line.? They 
are supposed to be able to handle the line voltage, but when they are 70 
years old, I don't trust them and always kill the AC power to them.

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 7/24/2025 12:05 AM, Michael Katzmann wrote:
> FYI ... I've had an earth leakage?breaker trip several times when 
> connecting the power connector to the back of the teleprinter (when 
> the machine is turned off).
>
> I think what?is happening is, since all the pins are the same length, 
> the active and earth sometimes connect before?neutral. There is a 
> filter block between the power connector and the switch which could 
> give enough current to pop the earth leakage breaker.
>
> Anyway .. connect the Amphenol connector before plugging the NEMA plug 
> into the power point (and, when disconnecting, remove from the 
> powerpoint before disconnecting from the teleprinter).
>
> Michael
>
> -- 
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 26 16:36:26 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 16:36:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX Power
In-Reply-To: <8894f036-97f1-41c9-8a74-2952165ad994@earthlink.net>
References: <CAMyt5ORiGkLT6Fi38iQAwXgt76MAND5Z8V-esgH6mN9sOoFs4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8894f036-97f1-41c9-8a74-2952165ad994@earthlink.net>
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Those UGC-136BX emails I just received were from yesterday!

On 7/26/2025 4:26 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> The time is 1615 here, and I just received 6 emails about the 
> UGC-135BX, with time stamps from 0005 to 1221. Wonder where they have 
> been??
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Sat Jul 26 22:04:32 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeffrey Golas)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 22:04:32 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Small ship update
Message-ID: <A3424586-37E6-4981-B217-15092566C301@junknet.net>

So a little break from UGC-136; printer tech replaced the busted gear in #2, and while trying to convince me nothing was wrong with it, while we were standing there it starts doing that familiar rocks-in-a-blender sound.

Amazingly, it didnt eat the gear again, but long story short something in the printer was acting up and maybe binding a clutch, which may have been the cause of gear shredding.

He swapped in another printer, and so far...so good.

Ship was CRAZY busy today and I did a ton of talks and demos about TTYs and 1.9 million kids left with a paper tape.

Jeff

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From harold at w6iwi.org  Sat Jul 26 23:11:43 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:11:43 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Feed
Message-ID: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

The New York Times changed their web site so my scripts can no longer
fetch articles. I messed with the scripts for a while and finally decided
to look for a simpler source. National Public Radio has a plain text web
site (well, HTML with just text) that made it easy to extract the text. As
I was rewriting the scripts, I discovered XPATH which makes it REAL EASY
to extract stuff out of HTML documents. Amazing stuff!

Anyway, the new feed is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/ .

The NPR stories tend to be longer than the NYT stories, so the audio file
is currently about 8 hours long. A new one is created every hour, but you
can keep playing the one you started for 10 hours.

Also, I reduced the stop bit to 1 bit time instead of the 1.5 I was
running before. The machines run a bit faster and handle the shorter stop
bit fine (in my testing).

Thanks!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




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From ksweek at mindspring.com  Sat Jul 26 23:13:00 2025
From: ksweek at mindspring.com (Ken Schwieker)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:13:00 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every printed
	character
Message-ID: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>

Does anyone use a Strobotac (General Radio seems to be the predominate brand) to troubleshoot a continuous occurring machine issue? Seems to me to be an ideal tool for this particular problem. 

If you are not familiar with Stroboscope operation it goes something like this; The light behind the reflector flashes at a rate set by the range switch and the large knob. If the flash frequency is set to be the same
as the operation period of the machine part, the image appears to stand still. If the large knob is turned one way the operation image will slowly move one direction and vice versa. That allows observing a part's movement and what moves it and the effect it has on other connected parts.

Ebay typically has two GR models listed. The older one (GR-631) for about $50 and the newer version (GR-1531) for about $100 plus shipping. No, I do not have any listed on Ebay ;)

Good luck,
Ken S
K4KQR


From john at tubetestingpros.com  Sat Jul 26 23:30:58 2025
From: john at tubetestingpros.com (John Lawson)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:30:58 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every
	printed	character
In-Reply-To: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>
References: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <CH3PR19MB7929CB36F6AE1B2E225E3B80D85BA@CH3PR19MB7929.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I have long used a GR 1531A to observe and analyze Model 14s, 15s, and 19s, as well as series-governed motors

And, early on - I very nearly lost the tip of a finger (definitely lost the nail) when I had a 15 on the bench, lights off, strobe-freezing the machine to look like it was running in slow motion, and I forgot what I was doing and started to reach in to make some adjustment. Type-bar bail got me. Thunk!  Aiiieee!

Children: don't try this at home! We're Professionals!

HIHI

Cheers
John KB6SCO
Carson City NV

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Ken Schwieker
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2025 8:13 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every printed character



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Does anyone use a Strobotac (General Radio seems to be the predominate brand) to troubleshoot a continuous occurring machine issue? Seems to me to be an ideal tool for this particular problem.



If you are not familiar with Stroboscope operation it goes something like this; The light behind the reflector flashes at a rate set by the range switch and the large knob. If the flash frequency is set to be the same

as the operation period of the machine part, the image appears to stand still. If the large knob is turned one way the operation image will slowly move one direction and vice versa. That allows observing a part's movement and what moves it and the effect it has on other connected parts.



Ebay typically has two GR models listed. The older one (GR-631) for about $50 and the newer version (GR-1531) for about $100 plus shipping. No, I do not have any listed on Ebay ;)



Good luck,

Ken S

K4KQR



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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 27 00:02:47 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 04:02:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys]
 =?utf-8?q?Strobotac_vs_Auto_Line_Feed_After_every_pri?=
 =?utf-8?q?nted=09character?=
In-Reply-To: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>
References: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <468434361.259772.1753588967373@mail.yahoo.com>

You can make a jerry-rig strobe with your work bench function generator & a high brightness LED on a long wire. You DO have a function generator on your work bench, right? :-)

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Saturday, July 26, 2025 at 09:13:23 PM MDT, Ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com> wrote: 

Does anyone use a Strobotac (General Radio seems to be the predominate brand) to troubleshoot a continuous occurring machine issue? Seems to me to be an ideal tool for this particular problem. 

If you are not familiar with Stroboscope operation it goes something like this; The light behind the reflector flashes at a rate set by the range switch and the large knob. If the flash frequency is set to be the same
as the operation period of the machine part, the image appears to stand still. If the large knob is turned one way the operation image will slowly move one direction and vice versa. That allows observing a part's movement and what moves it and the effect it has on other connected parts.

Ebay typically has two GR models listed. The older one (GR-631) for about $50 and the newer version (GR-1531) for about $100 plus shipping. No, I do not have any listed on Ebay ;)

Good luck,
Ken S
K4KQR

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From deramp5113 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 27 08:08:02 2025
From: deramp5113 at yahoo.com (Mike Douglas)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 07:08:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Feed
In-Reply-To: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <06B0AA13-FC65-40BD-86BD-7C44768D9D6E@yahoo.com>

Thanks to you and to Paul at rtty.com for the work you guys do to keep these services up and running. They?re my primary method of feeding my Teletypes.

Mike

> On Jul 26, 2025, at 10:15 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The New York Times changed their web site so my scripts can no longer
> fetch articles. I messed with the scripts for a while and finally decided
> to look for a simpler source. National Public Radio has a plain text web
> site (well, HTML with just text) that made it easy to extract the text. As
> I was rewriting the scripts, I discovered XPATH which makes it REAL EASY
> to extract stuff out of HTML documents. Amazing stuff!
> 
> Anyway, the new feed is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/ .
> 
> The NPR stories tend to be longer than the NYT stories, so the audio file
> is currently about 8 hours long. A new one is created every hour, but you
> can keep playing the one you started for 10 hours.
> 
> Also, I reduced the stop bit to 1 bit time instead of the 1.5 I was
> running before. The machines run a bit faster and handle the shorter stop
> bit fine (in my testing).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Not sent from an iPhone.
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From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Sun Jul 27 10:37:06 2025
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (scottjohnson1 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 07:37:06 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every
	printed	character
In-Reply-To: <468434361.259772.1753588967373@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>
	<468434361.259772.1753588967373@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015b01dbff03$ee383f50$caa8bdf0$@cox.net>

An automotive timing light with a function generator driving in place of the
inductive pickup would be great, especially since you can aim it at the
problem.  The are available very inexpensively on eBay or swap meets, the GR
Strobotacs use an insanely expensive xenon lamp of their own design. (I
believe they are now known as Quad Tech or GenRad).   I have a couple of
Strobotacs, but I really don't want to part with them.
I would bet you can find a good xenon timing light with an inductive pickup
(don't get a direct connect, it needs a HV trigger) for somewhere between
free and ten bucks.

Scott W7SVJ

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of hwhall--- via GreenKeys
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2025 9:03 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net; Ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every printed
character

You can make a jerry-rig strobe with your work bench function generator & a
high brightness LED on a long wire. You DO have a function generator on your
work bench, right? :-)

Wayne
WB4OGM




From scottjohnson1 at cox.net  Sun Jul 27 10:59:53 2025
From: scottjohnson1 at cox.net (scottjohnson1 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 07:59:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After
	every	printed	character
In-Reply-To: <015b01dbff03$ee383f50$caa8bdf0$@cox.net>
References: <92af21ec-7706-9afe-0f8a-a9c7a507793d@mindspring.com>	<468434361.259772.1753588967373@mail.yahoo.com>
	<015b01dbff03$ee383f50$caa8bdf0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01dbff07$1d04cf30$570e6d90$@cox.net>

Just another thought-
If you use a timing light, I have found that some trigger on a rising edge,
some on a falling edge, so just experiment.

Regards,


Scott V. Johnson W7SVJ/AFA6SJ
Sunburst Engineering
5111 E. Sharon Dr.
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
M (480) 550-2358
scottjohnson1@ cox.net
scott.johnson at ieee.org



-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of scottjohnson1 at cox.net
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2025 07:37
To: 'hwhall at aol.com' <hwhall at compuserve.com>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every printed
character

An automotive timing light with a function generator driving in place of the
inductive pickup would be great, especially since you can aim it at the
problem.  The are available very inexpensively on eBay or swap meets, the GR
Strobotacs use an insanely expensive xenon lamp of their own design. (I
believe they are now known as Quad Tech or GenRad).   I have a couple of
Strobotacs, but I really don't want to part with them.
I would bet you can find a good xenon timing light with an inductive pickup
(don't get a direct connect, it needs a HV trigger) for somewhere between
free and ten bucks.

Scott W7SVJ

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
On Behalf Of hwhall--- via GreenKeys
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2025 9:03 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net; Ken Schwieker <ksweek at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Strobotac vs Auto Line Feed After every printed
character

You can make a jerry-rig strobe with your work bench function generator & a
high brightness LED on a long wire. You DO have a function generator on your
work bench, right? :-)

Wayne
WB4OGM



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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 27 12:51:23 2025
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 10:51:23 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Feed
In-Reply-To: <06B0AA13-FC65-40BD-86BD-7C44768D9D6E@yahoo.com>
References: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<06B0AA13-FC65-40BD-86BD-7C44768D9D6E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0333ABD0-7899-49FB-AA48-96707D983B4C@comcast.net>

Thank you, Mike! And to all the listeners and contributors of content.

Paul

> On Jul 27, 2025, at 6:08?AM, Mike Douglas via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to you and to Paul at rtty.com <http://rtty.com/> for the work you guys do to keep these services up and running. They?re my primary method of feeding my Teletypes.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2025, at 10:15 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The New York Times changed their web site so my scripts can no longer
>> fetch articles. I messed with the scripts for a while and finally decided
>> to look for a simpler source. National Public Radio has a plain text web
>> site (well, HTML with just text) that made it easy to extract the text. As
>> I was rewriting the scripts, I discovered XPATH which makes it REAL EASY
>> to extract stuff out of HTML documents. Amazing stuff!
>> 
>> Anyway, the new feed is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/ .
>> 
>> The NPR stories tend to be longer than the NYT stories, so the audio file
>> is currently about 8 hours long. A new one is created every hour, but you
>> can keep playing the one you started for 10 hours.
>> 
>> Also, I reduced the stop bit to 1 bit time instead of the 1.5 I was
>> running before. The machines run a bit faster and handle the shorter stop
>> bit fine (in my testing).
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Harold
>> https://w6iwi.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Not sent from an iPhone.
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sun Jul 27 14:22:36 2025
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:22:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Feed
In-Reply-To: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <6AFD023F-7053-4BDD-A1AF-97196E8B05A2@k6yic.com>

I updated the link on 
http://rttyonline.com?


Daniel Jones (K6YIC)
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?

> On Jul 26, 2025, at 20:11, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/

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From bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com  Sun Jul 27 15:15:25 2025
From: bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com (Mike Katz)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:15:25 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys]  Model 15 Pallets
Message-ID: <5a4aa3f5-e95a-4527-8107-fe1ade40e89a@12bitsbest.com>

These are all Model 15 pallets. Type 371 = Long Gothic Style font. 
126747 = Bell System Arrangement A.
Thank you Wayne for this information.

Unless someone else has a greater need, they will go to Wayne.

If you are interested in these please email me directly 
bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com.
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From wa4kwk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 16:40:18 2025
From: wa4kwk at gmail.com (john WA4KWK)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 16:40:18 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <1311522392.2505850.1753407270706@mail.yahoo.com>
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SUCCESS!!!! The 15 is typing as it should. To recap the LF push bar was not
FULLY down in the idle position. It moved up and down so I thought all was
okay. The two wires going to the magnets were jammed up into the unit
preventing the LF push bar from fully going down in the idle position. So
the function bail was just barely  grabbing the LF push bar on each cycle.
Moved the two wires and all is good.
Thanks to everyone that provided input.... Especially Wane WB4OGM.

John
WA4KWK

On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 9:34?PM hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com>
wrote:

> The LF Push Bar gets moved by the end of the Function Bail. Normally,
> unless a LF signal has been decoded, the Function Bail should not be able
> to touch the LF Push Bar (close, but not quite).
>
> Manually verify that the LF Push Bar can wiggle up & down - it may be
> jammed a little so that the spring can't pull it far enough down & clear of
> the Bail.
>
> The tail piece ("Extension") of the LF Function Lever may have gotten bent
> during the move, so that it is holding the LF Push Bar just a bit too high
> even when the LF function has not been detected.
>
> Can you figure out how to set up the vanes for a LF function? If you can,
> that should let the LF Function Lever rotate & then you can see if it's
> raising & lowering the LF Push Bar.
>
> Attached is a video clip (MP4) showing the LF Function Lever
> extension/tail-piece moving the LF Push Bar up & down. In the upward
> position, it would be caught by the Function Bail & pushed backwards (thus
> initiating the LF at the platen).
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
>
> On Thursday, July 24, 2025 at 03:11:11 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <
> wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wayne thank you so much for your efforts. The spring is there.... looks
> intact. Rotating the motor by hand.. the platen does a LF each cycle. Hard
> to see but the LF Push Bar moves cleanly each cycle.
> Not sure what to do next. But I will continue.
>
> Thanks again,
> John
> WA4KWK
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 7:36?PM hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com>
> wrote:
> > Took some pics of the LF Push Bar, LF Push Bar Spring & LF Bail. The
> spring never showed in the usual drawings because it would've been behind
> the LF Bail, I guess. It's indicated in the attached photo by a round green
> dot.
> >
> > When the Vanes encode for a LF, the LF Function Lever can rotate forward
> (toward typist) on a pivot near its lower-front end. That causes the LF
> Function Lever Extenstion (a sort of tail piece) to rotate upwards, lifting
> the LF Push Bar so that the step on its upper edge can be caught by the
> Function Bail, initiating the LF movements. For some reason, TBD by
> inspection, the LF Push Bar is sitting too high when characters are being
> printed - the same bail rotation that moves the typing bars is shoving the
> LF Push Bar when it shouldn't be.
> >
> > I also have a short video of the LF Function Lever rotating & operating
> the LF Push Bar if necessary.
> >
> > Wayne
> > WB4OGM
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <
> wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the
> drawing or unit. Where is it located please?
> >
> > John
> >
> > WA4KWK
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 8:36?PM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!  The same thing happened
> to me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could
> not remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!  Some of those
> springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it,
> you?ll never know.  I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior
> to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each
> character).
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed
> Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype
> Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or
> lost.
> >>>
> >>> Wayne
> >>> WB4OGM
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> GreenKeys mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> >>
> >>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> >>
> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >> Message delivered to
> >> wa4kwk at gmail.com
> >
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> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> >
> >>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
> >
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sun Jul 27 16:46:02 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 20:46:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <CAGs-hdtexEj0X3-Nm5inQf=dA3+pHiUXbeEpCZiejV9JTVSyZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs-hdv0Aqx87vHBt2uY45GR89RAdtp6EoZe49GXiUv=eUbp7w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <940612661.367113.1753649162060@mail.yahoo.com>

Yaayyy!? Glad that it's all good now.? :-)

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 02:40:32 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 

SUCCESS!!!! The 15 is typing as it should. To recap the LF push bar was not FULLY down in the idle position. It moved up and down so I thought all was okay. The two wires going to the magnets were jammed up into the unit preventing the LF push bar from fully going down in the idle position. So the function bail was just barely? grabbing the LF push bar on each?cycle. Moved the two wires and all is good.?
Thanks to everyone that provided input.... Especially?Wane WB4OGM.

John
WA4KWK

On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 9:34?PM hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
> The LF Push Bar gets moved by the end of the Function Bail. Normally, unless a LF signal has been decoded, the Function Bail should not be able to touch the LF Push Bar (close, but not quite).
> 
> Manually verify that the LF Push Bar can wiggle up & down - it may be jammed a little so that the spring can't pull it far enough down & clear of the Bail.
> 
> The tail piece ("Extension") of the LF Function Lever may have gotten bent during the move, so that it is holding the LF Push Bar just a bit too high even when the LF function has not been detected.
> 
> Can you figure out how to set up the vanes for a LF function? If you can, that should let the LF Function Lever rotate & then you can see if it's raising & lowering the LF Push Bar.
> 
> Attached is a video clip (MP4) showing the LF Function Lever extension/tail-piece moving the LF Push Bar up & down. In the upward position, it would be caught by the Function Bail & pushed backwards (thus initiating the LF at the platen).
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Thursday, July 24, 2025 at 03:11:11 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Wayne thank you so much for your efforts. The spring is there.... looks intact. Rotating the motor by hand.. the platen does a LF each cycle. Hard to see but the LF Push Bar moves cleanly each cycle.?
> Not sure what to do next. But I will continue.
> 
> Thanks again,
> John
> WA4KWK
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 7:36?PM hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
>> Took some pics of the LF Push Bar, LF Push Bar Spring & LF Bail. The spring never showed in the usual drawings because it would've been behind the LF Bail, I guess. It's indicated in the attached photo by a round green dot.
>> 
>> When the Vanes encode for a LF, the LF Function Lever can rotate forward (toward typist) on a pivot near its lower-front end. That causes the LF Function Lever Extenstion (a sort of tail piece) to rotate upwards, lifting the LF Push Bar so that the step on its upper edge can be caught by the Function Bail, initiating the LF movements. For some reason, TBD by inspection, the LF Push Bar is sitting too high when characters are being printed - the same bail rotation that moves the typing bars is shoving the LF Push Bar when it shouldn't be.
>> 
>> I also have a short video of the LF Function Lever rotating & operating the LF Push Bar if necessary.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> WB4OGM
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 04:56:20 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> I can not find the 'Line Feed Push Bar Spring' anywhere. Not on the drawing or unit. Where is it located please?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> WA4KWK
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 8:36?PM E. <hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aaaaah, this is it ? thanks for reminding me!? The same thing happened to me in the early days of my M15 year ago and I for the life of me could not remember what the solution was? it ended up being this!? Some of those springs are so small ? if they happen to pop off while working on it, you?ll never know.? I ended up finding that spring on the floor, but prior to that, the same thing inflicted my 15/19 for a time (LF after each character).
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2025, at 2:34?PM, hwhall--- via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Harold's links to the adjustments confirms there should be a Line Feed Push Bar Spring to help position the bar. Even though some of the Teletype Corp drawings like I sent don't clearly show it. Perhaps that's broken or lost.
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> WB4OGM
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to 
>>> wa4kwk at gmail.com
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to hwhall at compuserve.com


From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sun Jul 27 16:48:18 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 15:48:18 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] M-15... Auto Line Feed After every printed character
In-Reply-To: <940612661.367113.1753649162060@mail.yahoo.com>
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Woot ? glad you were able to find the issue ^^ !!!  Now if it was a modern smartphone ? ?..


> On Jul 27, 2025, at 3:46?PM, hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
> 
> Yaayyy!  Glad that it's all good now.  :-)
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 02:40:32 PM MDT, john WA4KWK <wa4kwk at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> SUCCESS!!!! The 15 is typing as it should. To recap the LF push bar was not FULLY down in the idle position. It moved up and down so I thought all was okay. The two wires going to the magnets were jammed up into the unit preventing the LF push bar from fully going down in the idle position. So the function bail was just barely  grabbing the LF push bar on each cycle. Moved the two wires and all is good. 
> Thanks to everyone that provided input.... Especially Wane WB4OGM.
> 
> John
> WA4KWK

From hanyou at xsmail.com  Sun Jul 27 16:51:02 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 15:51:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Feed
In-Reply-To: <0333ABD0-7899-49FB-AA48-96707D983B4C@comcast.net>
References: <93402cd663390462ca7cd45dc75b7dcb.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<06B0AA13-FC65-40BD-86BD-7C44768D9D6E@yahoo.com>
	<0333ABD0-7899-49FB-AA48-96707D983B4C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3307C29C-706D-465D-917F-5E79971FDEC8@xsmail.com>


Paul,

Did you get my message that the weather feed script is now complete and ready for streaming ? if so chosen to be used? ??


> On Jul 27, 2025, at 11:51?AM, Paul Heller via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Mike! And to all the listeners and contributors of content.
> 
> Paul

From john at toebes.com  Sun Jul 27 19:22:00 2025
From: john at toebes.com (john at toebes.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 19:22:00 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Ribbon/Cartridge for UGC-136
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfds2XuBwqwfn_9ikoNOU75u51SyTjyC8L2hzuKz_2m9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNcEWxVxLQoMGCR6+kTtNBZdx5JFFdY-sBN9TJgvSJ5=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB55hNfds2XuBwqwfn_9ikoNOU75u51SyTjyC8L2hzuKz_2m9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08a001dbff4d$41518db0$c3f4a910$@toebes.com>

It is making progress.  There is one minor variation that will have to be done in order to 3D print it ? instead of the pins that push into the bottom part of the cartridge, it will require using small screws to hold the top on in the same place.  Feel free to check the progress at:

 

https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0 <https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=6886b418ec6d4a3754b2f8b0> &uiState=6886b418ec6d4a3754b2f8b0

 

 

*	John Toebes
*	Science Olympiad Codebusters ? Event Supervisor -  <https://www.soinc.org/codebusters-c> National and  <https://ncscienceolympiad.ncsu.edu/resources/high-school/codebusters/> North Carolina 
*	919-622-2041

 

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nick England
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2025 3:49 PM
To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Ribbon/Cartridge for UGC-136

 

Greenkeyer John Toebes picked up a used cartridge from me and is going to 3D model it so they can be printed.




Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com> 

 

 

On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 11:04?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com> > wrote:

https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/ribbon.htm

 

Greenkeyers Ron and Michael have found these from Germany.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/352927962791

 

They look right to me. 

I have made an offer and will see what the response is.




Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com> 

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From antech6586856 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 00:07:51 2025
From: antech6586856 at gmail.com (Windows XD)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 00:07:51 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
Message-ID: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all
miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled
in the photo?

P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer?

All help is appreciated!!
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Jul 28 00:51:36 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 21:51:36 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
Message-ID: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news streams.
It is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/

Harold
https://w6iwi.org




-- 
Not sent from an iPhone.

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 08:40:14 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:40:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
In-Reply-To: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNekZmEjM4ROf_+G6PToBNUU7BTZoyVLXQ_LKkNZqx-5gA@mail.gmail.com>

Is all this part of some conspiracy to sell more rolls of paper??

Thanks!
Nick

On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 12:51?AM Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news streams.
> It is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
>
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Mon Jul 28 08:54:45 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 07:54:45 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b411fdb-b71d-5f5f-421d-560c2403c65e@tapr.org>

Was there supposed to be attachments or a link?


On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all 
> miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's 
> circled in the photo?
>
> P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer?
>
> All help is appreciated!!
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 28 09:19:42 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:19:42 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <8b411fdb-b71d-5f5f-421d-560c2403c65e@tapr.org>
References: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b411fdb-b71d-5f5f-421d-560c2403c65e@tapr.org>
Message-ID: <75042048-838b-492d-933c-b921d95d8444@earthlink.net>

What model TTY??

On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> Was there supposed to be attachments or a link?
>
>
> On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all 
>> miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's 
>> circled in the photo?
>>
>> P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer?
>>
>> All help is appreciated!!
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: 
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: 
>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Mon Jul 28 13:23:38 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:23:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <75042048-838b-492d-933c-b921d95d8444@earthlink.net>
References: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b411fdb-b71d-5f5f-421d-560c2403c65e@tapr.org>
	<75042048-838b-492d-933c-b921d95d8444@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1509895711.615345.1753723418160@mail.yahoo.com>

With an email address like that, it may have been a bot.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 07:20:07 AM MDT, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote: 

What model TTY??

On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:

> Was there supposed to be attachments or a link? 
> 
> 
> On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote: 
> 
>> Dear all, 
>> 
>> I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled in the photo? 
>> 
>> P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer? 
>> 
>> All help is appreciated!! 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________ 
>> GreenKeys mailing list 
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm 
>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net 
>> 
>> 
>>>??
>>>>??
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch 
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ 
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html 
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net 
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html 
>> Message delivered to w9ddd at tapr.org 
>> 
> 
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Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net

>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 28 13:34:41 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:34:41 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <1509895711.615345.1753723418160@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b411fdb-b71d-5f5f-421d-560c2403c65e@tapr.org>
	<75042048-838b-492d-933c-b921d95d8444@earthlink.net>
	<1509895711.615345.1753723418160@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ae9168b4-36b9-4d21-ada5-527358038649@earthlink.net>

He is real.? He responded to me directly with the pictures.
I responded to the list, but the pictures were over 5MB, so Gil has to 
approve it.

The pictures & my response should be along soon.

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 7/28/2025 1:23 PM, hwhall at aol.com wrote:
> With an email address like that, it may have been a bot.
>
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
>
> On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 07:20:07 AM MDT, Duncan Brown<duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> What model TTY??
>
> On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>
>> Was there supposed to be attachments or a link?
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled in the photo?
>>>
>>> P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer?
>>>
>>> All help is appreciated!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys 
>>> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm 
>>> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net 
>>>
>>>
>>>>    
>>>>>    
>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch 
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ 
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html 
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html 
>>>>>>
>>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net 
>>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html 
>>> Message delivered tow9ddd at tapr.org 
>>>
>>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post:mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Mon Jul 28 13:40:58 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <ae9168b4-36b9-4d21-ada5-527358038649@earthlink.net>
References: <CANDKSw2tw8147e9PNxsqhnp7dN4YK3MJ118wcP0OQZTXZgr6uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b411fdb-b71d-5f5f-421d-560c2403c65e@tapr.org>
	<75042048-838b-492d-933c-b921d95d8444@earthlink.net>
	<1509895711.615345.1753723418160@mail.yahoo.com>
	<ae9168b4-36b9-4d21-ada5-527358038649@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1488775953.620620.1753724458145@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the info.? I was really unsure about replying to them.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 11:35:06 AM MDT, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote: 

He is real.? He responded to me directly with the pictures.
I responded to the list, but the pictures were over 5MB, so Gil has to approve it.

The pictures & my response should be along soon.

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 7/28/2025 1:23 PM, hwhall at aol.com wrote:

>??With an email address like that, it may have been a bot.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 07:20:07 AM MDT, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
> What model TTY??
> 
> On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> 
> 
>>??Was there supposed to be attachments or a link? 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>>??Dear all, 
>>> 
>>> I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled in the photo? 
>>> 
>>> P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer? 
>>> 
>>> All help is appreciated!! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________

From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Jul 28 13:41:16 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:41:16 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNekZmEjM4ROf_+G6PToBNUU7BTZoyVLXQ_LKkNZqx-5gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNekZmEjM4ROf_+G6PToBNUU7BTZoyVLXQ_LKkNZqx-5gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34f418c096bdcc7aeac13f4f5c532b4b.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Mon, July 28, 2025 5:40 am, Nick England wrote:
> Is all this part of some conspiracy to sell more rolls of paper??
>
>
> Thanks!
> Nick

Yes! That's why I made the stop bit shorter...

Harold

-- 
https://w6iwi.org

From vk2bea at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 13:56:52 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:56:52 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136BX on receive...
Message-ID: <CAMyt5OS3MciGUsVgqVzhdRztHbB4Q0iJ7Gi-q4Duh8Xt=T1tuQ@mail.gmail.com>

When receiving on the UGC-136BX, I am seeing an interruption (CR) if the
receive line is idle (at a mark)  for more than 9 seconds. The next
received character after the idle is printed but preceded by two LF
characters and "A.P." (The auto-print is set).

When receiving the text, the "rec unprt" light is on.

This is slightly annoying 8-)

e.g.

A.P.
THE QUICK BROWN FOX

A.P.
THE QUICK BROWN FOX


The manual (p3-5) says,
"If a message is received without an SOM or an unmatched SOM, the message
is determined to be unformatted and assigned an MPN equal to 0.
...
If the AUTOPRINT/NORM/MASTER CLEAR switch is in the AUTOPRINT position, the
received
messages are printed and then automatically deleted from memory."

I see no mention of the 9 second timeout though.

Is anyone else seeing this behavior?

Test....
   1. Send characters to the UGC-136BX
   2. Observe the text printed and the "rec unprt" illuminates
   3. mark continuously for 10 seconds - observe the "rec unprt" light
extinguish and the carriage returns.
   4. Send more text - observe two LF chars, "A.P.", CR + LF printed and
then the text.

cheers,
   Michael


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From jeffg at junknet.net  Mon Jul 28 14:39:02 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:39:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
In-Reply-To: <34f418c096bdcc7aeac13f4f5c532b4b.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<CAB55hNekZmEjM4ROf_+G6PToBNUU7BTZoyVLXQ_LKkNZqx-5gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<34f418c096bdcc7aeac13f4f5c532b4b.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <CAPK6Wsfcxs-ee9vDTQt1KfEmx98E=Bc8X2t3rubYbxXTddyqpA@mail.gmail.com>

Its all big-teletype-paper I tell ya!

Jeff KC3GJX

On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 1:41?PM Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, July 28, 2025 5:40 am, Nick England wrote:
> > Is all this part of some conspiracy to sell more rolls of paper??
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Nick
>
> Yes! That's why I made the stop bit shorter...
>
> Harold
>
> --
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From ksweek at mindspring.com  Mon Jul 28 14:46:04 2025
From: ksweek at mindspring.com (Ken Schwieker)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:46:04 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
Message-ID: <d2532a5d-982d-2e33-0d91-0257a447276d@mindspring.com>

I wonder if any picture needs to be that large. I see some big pictures that include a background that takes up a large part of the picture that serves no purpose that could have been cropped out. Also sometimes the picture of the part is way larger than necessary that needs to be resized. Pity cell phone viewers.
Ken S
K4KQR
-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Sent: Jul 28, 2025 12:35 PM
To: hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?

He is real.  He responded to me directly with the pictures.
I responded to the list, but the pictures were over 5MB, so Gil has to approve it.

The pictures &amp; my response should be along soon.

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 7/28/2025 1:23 PM, hwhall at aol.com (mailto:hwhall at aol.com) wrote:
With an email address like that, it may have been a bot.WayneWB4OGMOn Monday, July 28, 2025 at 07:20:07 AM MDT, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> (mailto:duncanancy at earthlink.net) wrote: What model TTY??On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:Was there supposed to be attachments or a link? On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote: Dear all, I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled in the photo? P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer? All help is appreciated!! ______________________________________________________________ GreenKeys mailing list Home:  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm (http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys) Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net (mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net)     Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:  2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ (https://teletype.net/gksearch) 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:  Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html (http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html)   This list hosted by:  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html (http://www.qsl.net) Message delivered to w9ddd at tapr.org (mailto:w9ddd at tapr.org) ______________________________________________________________GreenKeys mailing listHome: Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm (http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys)Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net (mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net)Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool: 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ (https://teletype.net/gksearch)1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html (http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html)This list hosted by: Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html (http://www.qsl.net)Message delivered to hwhall at compuserve.com (mailto:hwhall at compuserve.com)

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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 28 16:11:28 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 16:11:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <d2532a5d-982d-2e33-0d91-0257a447276d@mindspring.com>
References: <d2532a5d-982d-2e33-0d91-0257a447276d@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <bceaeff0-3276-4484-b752-3d553a459600@earthlink.net>

Ken,

Most pictures don't need to be more than 100K or so (unless you are 
going to print it out as a poster), but you generally don't know at what 
resolution your camera is storing the picture.? So you just take it and 
send it.? Most email reflectors allow 10M, but Mailman.qth only allows 5M.

In WIN 10, you could easily resize a picture (right-click menu) before 
you sent it, but I can't find that command in WIN 11 anymore (without 
taking it into an editing program).

So we have to be careful of picture size here on Greenkeys. (Gil usually 
reviews and OKs pictures >5M within 24 hrs)

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 7/28/2025 2:46 PM, Ken Schwieker wrote:
>
> I wonder if any picture needs to be that large. I see some big 
> pictures that include a background that takes up a large part of the 
> picture that serves no purpose that could have been cropped out. Also 
> sometimes the picture of the part is way larger than necessary that 
> needs to be resized. Pity cell phone viewers.
>
> Ken S
>
> K4KQR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Jul 28, 2025 12:35 PM
> To: hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net 
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
>
> He is real.? He responded to me directly with the pictures.
> I responded to the list, but the pictures were over 5MB, so Gil has to 
> approve it.
>
> The pictures & my response should be along soon.
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
> On 7/28/2025 1:23 PM, hwhall at aol.com wrote:
>
>     With an email address like that, it may have been a bot.
>
>     Wayne
>     WB4OGM
>
>     On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 07:20:07 AM MDT, Duncan Brown<duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>     What model TTY??
>
>     On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>
>         Was there supposed to be attachments or a link?
>
>
>         On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote:
>
>             Dear all,
>
>             I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled in the photo?
>
>             P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer?
>
>             All help is appreciated!!
>
>
>             ______________________________________________________________
>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 28 12:03:54 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 12:03:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd:  Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <CANDKSw04jSwLapedwhSF4VU-Esbvo+ZD+d6+c2exeXS=9SBTTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANDKSw04jSwLapedwhSF4VU-Esbvo+ZD+d6+c2exeXS=9SBTTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5f83336-7207-442e-b7a5-c003291617fb@earthlink.net>

Windows XD,

The circled item on the schematic is a polar relay and it plugged into 
the socket in your picture.? The polar relay was the opto-coupler of the 
1930s.? It isolated the machine's loop from the line.

When these machines were originally developed (in the 1900-1930s) they 
were used on telegraph lines that could be 20 miles (or more) long.? 
Teletype Corp. used the generic term "Printing Telegraph" for their 
equipment up into the 1950s.

Since our TTY loops are measured in feet, not miles, we don't need the 
polar "Line Relay" option any more (though a lot of the M28 equipment 
still used them).

We generally just wire the selector magnets in series with the keyboard 
into our local 60 ma current loop, which is generally supplied by the 
modem/Terminal Unit/FSK Converter.? just make sure that the loop is 
limited to 60 ma before connecting it to the M19!

So you can just bypass and forget about the polar Line Relay.

Good luck & Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ







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Subject: 	Re: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
Date: 	Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:02:27 -0400
From: 	Windows XD <antech6586856 at gmail.com>
To: 	Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>



Apologies, it's a model 19, the photos should be attached to this post.

On Mon, Jul 28, 2025, 9:20?AM Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:

    What model TTY??

    On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
>     Was there supposed to be attachments or a link?
>
>
>     On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote:
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems
>>     all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part
>>     that's circled in the photo?
>>
>>     P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer?
>>
>>     All help is appreciated!!
>>
>>
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>>>>>     http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Mon Jul 28 16:40:42 2025
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:40:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <bceaeff0-3276-4484-b752-3d553a459600@earthlink.net>
References: <d2532a5d-982d-2e33-0d91-0257a447276d@mindspring.com>
	<bceaeff0-3276-4484-b752-3d553a459600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1400268481.689242.1753735242944@mail.yahoo.com>

If they need a photo sized/cropped, they can email up to 25MB to me & I can do that.

Wayne
WB4OGM

On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 02:11:50 PM MDT, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote: 

Ken,

Most pictures don't need to be more than 100K or so (unless you are going to print it out as a poster), but you generally don't know at what resolution your camera is storing the picture.? So you just take it and send it.? Most email reflectors allow 10M, but Mailman.qth only allows 5M.

In WIN 10, you could easily resize a picture (right-click menu) before you sent it, but I can't find that command in WIN 11 anymore (without taking it into an editing program).

So we have to be careful of picture size here on Greenkeys. (Gil usually reviews and OKs pictures >5M within 24 hrs)

Have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ



On 7/28/2025 2:46 PM, Ken Schwieker wrote:


>??

I wonder if any picture needs to be that large. I see some big pictures that include a background that takes up a large part of the picture that serves no purpose that could have been cropped out. Also sometimes the picture of the part is way larger than necessary that needs to be resized. Pity cell phone viewers.

Ken S

K4KQR



-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Sent: Jul 28, 2025 12:35 PM
To: hwhall at aol.com <hwhall at compuserve.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?

?
He is real.? He responded to me directly with the pictures.
I responded to the list, but the pictures were over 5MB, so Gil has to approve it.

The pictures & my response should be along soon.

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 7/28/2025 1:23 PM, hwhall at aol.com wrote:

>??With an email address like that, it may have been a bot.
> 
> Wayne
> WB4OGM
> 
> On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 07:20:07 AM MDT, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
> What model TTY??
> 
> On 7/28/2025 8:54 AM, John, W9DDD wrote:
> 
> 
>>??Was there supposed to be attachments or a link? 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/27/2025 11:07 PM, Windows XD wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>>??Dear all, 
>>> 
>>> I'm finally getting back to my teletype project, and mine seems all miswired. Is the circled part on the schematic the same part that's circled in the photo? 
>>> 
>>> P.S. What is it? Is it something kind of transformer? 
>>> 
>>> All help is appreciated!! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________ 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 


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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 28 17:23:12 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:23:12 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
In-Reply-To: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <a3507ad0-dcdf-441f-990d-818515b06245@earthlink.net>

Harold,

What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?

The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams and 
send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.? I would like to add your 
60wpm NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for them.

-...-

Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio 
stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to 
play the file is made?

Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be 
stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a fixed 
url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?

Thanks,

Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
USASA? ? 31J30

Antique Wireless Association
 ?Communication Technologies Museum
 ? ?Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
(also chief TTY op & repairman)

i-Telex: 212503

www.antiquewireless.org

AWA Youtube channel: 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
Virtual AWA Museum TTY Tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8






On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news streams.
> It is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>
> Harold
> https://w6iwi.org
>
>
>
>


From w2hx at w2hx.com  Mon Jul 28 17:44:52 2025
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:44:52 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] SG-1186/GGM-21A Manual? Info?
Message-ID: <PH0PR12MB88219F89D21FACF3F7DB650AB55AA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Anyone ever seen one of these? I just bought it on ebay and was hoping someone somewhere might have a manual. It generally looks understandable from the pictures (It hasnt arrived yet) but there are some DB25 connectors on the rear which I'd like more information on.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116703625635
[https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CYQAAeSwRPFogXt6/s-l400.jpg]<https://www.ebay.com/itm/116703625635>
Military Radio RTTY teletype An/ggm-21a Test Set Pulse Generator Sg-1186/ggm-21 a - eBay<https://www.ebay.com/itm/116703625635>
Fast shipping. Very heavy steering box broke the box in shipping but the post office taped it up. Maybe consider better boxes. Anyway the part came in good order without damage. Part description was perfect, as used original in good condition. Direct M151A2 MUTT replacement. Price and value is unmatched compared to other sellers. Great transaction. Fast shipping. Great item. Recommend Seller ...
www.ebay.com





73 Eugene W2HX
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Mon Jul 28 17:54:20 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:54:20 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] SG-1186/GGM-21A Manual? Info?
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB88219F89D21FACF3F7DB650AB55AA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <PH0PR12MB88219F89D21FACF3F7DB650AB55AA@PH0PR12MB8821.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK6Wsd+OCoU06=0hSJSCi0ZaGKVjP3xOwKa4q=AWMDNBEnBQQ@mail.gmail.com>

"sees low level output and suddenly seethes with low-level-tty Jealousy"

AHEM anyway...

EIA is likely RS-232 pinout, I'd think the IO jack is likely a repeat of
the front considering the switches above. Not sure why there's two EIA
jacks.

Very cool grab! Pretty sure I saw this and quickly scrolled by as I'm
trying to save some $$ at the moment.

jeff

On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 5:45?PM W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:

> Anyone ever seen one of these? I just bought it on ebay and was hoping
> someone somewhere might have a manual. It generally looks understandable
> from the pictures (It hasnt arrived yet) but there are some DB25 connectors
> on the rear which I'd like more information on.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/116703625635
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/116703625635>
> Military Radio RTTY teletype An/ggm-21a Test Set Pulse Generator
> Sg-1186/ggm-21 a - eBay <https://www.ebay.com/itm/116703625635>
> Fast shipping. Very heavy steering box broke the box in shipping but the
> post office taped it up. Maybe consider better boxes. Anyway the part came
> in good order without damage. Part description was perfect, as used
> original in good condition. Direct M151A2 MUTT replacement. Price and value
> is unmatched compared to other sellers. Great transaction. Fast shipping.
> Great item. Recommend Seller ...
> www.ebay.com
>
>
>
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
>
>
>
>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From maximusbrick at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 18:15:53 2025
From: maximusbrick at gmail.com (Maximus Brick)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:15:53 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello, new here
Message-ID: <CAO5twWLHh7ZHx7Fu6ngFk4cEMA4Vjadfjumntw9-NrusU125ag@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in eventually getting a teletype writer but I do not know
where to find one. The only place I've seen them for sale are broken ones
on ebay that are asking for thousands of dollars...

I'm most interested in an ASCII teletype to use as a serial terminal for a
GNU/Linux personal computer.
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From hanyou at xsmail.com  Mon Jul 28 18:14:32 2025
From: hanyou at xsmail.com (E.)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:14:32 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Is this part this?
In-Reply-To: <a5f83336-7207-442e-b7a5-c003291617fb@earthlink.net>
References: <CANDKSw04jSwLapedwhSF4VU-Esbvo+ZD+d6+c2exeXS=9SBTTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5f83336-7207-442e-b7a5-c003291617fb@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E148404F-BF66-40B9-8516-139F2E6531FD@xsmail.com>


In the M15/19 schematics, there are notes on how to bypass the relay by just moving/removing a few wires from their terminals.


> On Jul 28, 2025, at 11:03?AM, Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Windows XD,
> 
> The circled item on the schematic is a polar relay and it plugged into the socket in your picture.  The polar relay was the opto-coupler of the 1930s.  It isolated the machine's loop from the line.  
> 
> When these machines were originally developed (in the 1900-1930s) they were used on telegraph lines that could be 20 miles (or more) long.  Teletype Corp. used the generic term "Printing Telegraph" for their equipment up into the 1950s.
> 
> Since our TTY loops are measured in feet, not miles, we don't need the polar "Line Relay" option any more (though a lot of the M28 equipment still used them).
> 
> We generally just wire the selector magnets in series with the keyboard into our local 60 ma current loop, which is generally supplied by the modem/Terminal Unit/FSK Converter.  just make sure that the loop is limited to 60 ma before connecting it to the M19!
> 
> So you can just bypass and forget about the polar Line Relay.
> 
> Good luck & Have fun,
> 
> Duncan
> K2OEQ

From harold at w6iwi.org  Mon Jul 28 18:13:31 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:13:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
Message-ID: <1f7c8d545034bbe2cb0ceb05e828688e.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



Thanks! The URLs are:

https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php

and

https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php

A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours. latest.php
does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10 files are kept
so you can continue to play one without it being overwritten by a new one.

I just tried this:

curl  --Location   https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
> test.wav

and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection. The
fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav. You
would pipe it to an audio player.

Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't send
it through lame or other MP3 decoders.

Let me know if I can provide any further information!

Thanks!

Harold






On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Harold,
>
>
> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>
>
> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams and
> send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.?? I would like to add your 60wpm
> NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for them.
>
>
> -...-
>
>
> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
> stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to play
> the file is made?
>
> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a fixed
> url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA?? ?? 31J30
>
>
> Antique Wireless Association
> ??Communication Technologies Museum
> ?? ??Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>
>
> i-Telex: 212503
>
>
> www.antiquewireless.org
>
> AWA Youtube channel:
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
> Virtual AWA Museum TTY Tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>
>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>> streams. It is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>
>>
>> Harold
>> https://w6iwi.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>
>
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From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Mon Jul 28 19:17:54 2025
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 19:17:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello, new here
In-Reply-To: <CAO5twWLHh7ZHx7Fu6ngFk4cEMA4Vjadfjumntw9-NrusU125ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO5twWLHh7ZHx7Fu6ngFk4cEMA4Vjadfjumntw9-NrusU125ag@mail.gmail.com>
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From harold at hallikainen.org  Mon Jul 28 18:11:37 2025
From: harold at hallikainen.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:11:37 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
In-Reply-To: <a3507ad0-dcdf-441f-990d-818515b06245@earthlink.net>
References: <f77ebf3916390cd5c3be3825ac8e74ee.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<a3507ad0-dcdf-441f-990d-818515b06245@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <feacf7d8f8185579c9e29e73543ded3d.squirrel@hallikainen.org>

Thanks! The URLs are:

https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php

and

https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php

A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours. latest.php
does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10 files are kept
so you can continue to play one without it being overwritten by a new one.

I just tried this:

curl  --Location   https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
> test.wav

and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection. The
fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav. You
would pipe it to an audio player.

Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't send
it through lame or other MP3 decoders.

Let me know if I can provide any further information!

Thanks!

Harold






On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Harold,
>
>
> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>
>
> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams and
> send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.?? I would like to add your 60wpm
> NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for them.
>
>
> -...-
>
>
> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
> stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to play
> the file is made?
>
> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a fixed
> url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> USASA?? ?? 31J30
>
>
> Antique Wireless Association
> ??Communication Technologies Museum
> ?? ??Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>
>
> i-Telex: 212503
>
>
> www.antiquewireless.org
>
> AWA Youtube channel:
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
> Virtual AWA Museum TTY Tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>
>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>> streams. It is at https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>
>>
>> Harold
>> https://w6iwi.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 28 20:11:03 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:11:03 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream
In-Reply-To: <1f7c8d545034bbe2cb0ceb05e828688e.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
References: <1f7c8d545034bbe2cb0ceb05e828688e.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
Message-ID: <5cd1c343-fcd9-4043-b686-325cb952c381@earthlink.net>

Harold,

Thanks!

I'll try them

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 7/28/2025 6:13 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>
> Thanks! The URLs are:
>
> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>
> and
>
> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>
> A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours. latest.php
> does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10 files are kept
> so you can continue to play one without it being overwritten by a new one.
>
> I just tried this:
>
> curl  --Locationhttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>> test.wav
> and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection. The
> fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav. You
> would pipe it to an audio player.
>
> Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't send
> it through lame or other MP3 decoders.
>
> Let me know if I can provide any further information!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Harold
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Harold,
>>
>>
>> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>>
>>
>> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams and
>> send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.?? I would like to add your 60wpm
>> NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for them.
>>
>>
>> -...-
>>
>>
>> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
>> stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to play
>> the file is made?
>>
>> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
>> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a fixed
>> url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>> USASA?? ?? 31J30
>>
>>
>> Antique Wireless Association
>> ??Communication Technologies Museum
>> ?? ??Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>
>>
>> i-Telex: 212503
>>
>>
>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>
>> AWA Youtube channel:
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
>> Virtual AWA Museum TTY Tour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>
>>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>>> streams. It is athttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold
>>> https://w6iwi.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From cfandt at twc.com  Mon Jul 28 21:18:02 2025
From: cfandt at twc.com (Chris Fandt)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:18:02 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello, new here
In-Reply-To: <CAO5twWLHh7ZHx7Fu6ngFk4cEMA4Vjadfjumntw9-NrusU125ag@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <af76e5bb-b71b-4eb7-8a2d-ccee743fbebc@twc.com>

Welcome to our nice little List Maximus!

Where are you located? That will be very important for us to learn if we 
can help you if anybody has a machine to offer. 33s are real hard to 
ship with an expectation they'll arrive in the same condx they left the 
previous owner :-) So, probably some sort of hand-off shuttle, or local 
sourcing, or something.

I have three or four around here in varying states of condition (mostly 
kinda lousy condx), but I know I have to eventually get most of them 
outta here since I'm getting to danged old and have to clear stuff out 
over the next few years. Need to keep the best one of the lot to use 
with my 1973 Data General Nova 1200 once I get to restoring that 
computer in the next year or so.

I'm totally NOT impressed with what some folks try to get out of 33s on 
that ePay or elsewhere. What are they thinking?? (or not)? There are 
probably still a lot to be found stashed here 'n' there around the 
country; I suspect more so than probably 28s or even 15s/19s. Mine all 
came out of the local telephone company back in the early 80s when 
customers went to electronic terminals or whatever replacement scheme 
they chose for their comm needs.

Best regards,
 ?? -Chris F.

On 7/28/2025 6:15 PM, Maximus Brick wrote:
> I am interested in eventually getting a teletype writer?but I do not 
> know where to find one. The only place I've seen them for sale are 
> broken ones on ebay that are asking for thousands of dollars...
>
> I'm most interested in an ASCII teletype to use as a serial terminal 
> for a GNU/Linux personal computer.
>
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>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 09:52:38 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 09:52:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ribbon status update
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfVWMVOjYYCy8a9DjqXexS1_4nyc1LQgCLbOudHEemHiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Michael Katzmann has ribbon cartridges on the way from the German eBay
source and will let us know if they are the correct ones. They had made it
from Germany to NYC at last report.

John Toebes has completed a 3D model of the ribbon cassette and his test
print looks really nice. I will install and test his final version and let
everyone know. I?ll also evaluate new ribbon sources.

Finally, don?t forget to adjust the print head position lever. Mine came
with the head fully retracted and I thought ?dry ribbon? until I realized
what was happening. Now it is very happily printing.
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg

I keep adding observations and hints at
https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints

Cheers
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From Duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 29 10:22:09 2025
From: Duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncanancy)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:22:09 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lever on M28 cabinet
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1753798952.24408.greenkeys@mailman.qth.net>

What is this lever for on the right side of most M28 KSR cabinets?Thanks,DuncanK2OEQ?Sent from my Kleinschmidt TT-4/TG, the US Army's first portable digital communications device, 1950-1980
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From gil at baudot.net  Tue Jul 29 10:35:54 2025
From: gil at baudot.net (Gil Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 07:35:54 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- if a teletype engineer only had plastic parts
Message-ID: <abb9b405-3539-4865-a32c-b6135c6b933f@app.fastmail.com>

some people have a lot of time on their hands:

https://www.designnews.com/industry/k-nex-8-bit-mechanical-computer

now for the paper-tape reader...
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Tue Jul 29 10:45:10 2025
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Brenda Gentry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:45:10 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
References: <e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e@verizon.net>

I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic 
part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I 
searched for the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have 
one to spare?

 ? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY

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From bob at pathline.net  Tue Jul 29 11:20:21 2025
From: bob at pathline.net (Robert G Snyder)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 08:20:21 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lever on M28 cabinet
In-Reply-To: <20250729142322.05FB6149B9AD@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20250729142322.05FB6149B9AD@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <14d50d52-998b-4759-a5dc-31254ffb757e@pathline.net>

After removing a couple of bolts at the back, and the metal piece across 
the top front of the cabinet, you can rotate the entire machine up from 
the back to make it easier to service. The lever in question locks it in 
that position.

Bob W6CP



On 7/29/25 07:22, Duncanancy wrote:
> What is this lever for on the right side of most M28 KSR cabinets?
>
> Thanks,
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> Sent from my Kleinschmidt TT-4/TG, the US Army's first portable 
> digital communications device, 1950-1980
>
>
>
>
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>
>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From jhhaynes at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 29 12:22:56 2025
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net (Jim Haynes)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 11:22:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- if a teletype engineer only had plastic parts
In-Reply-To: <abb9b405-3539-4865-a32c-b6135c6b933f@app.fastmail.com>
References: <abb9b405-3539-4865-a32c-b6135c6b933f@app.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd7be635-d676-feda-8f63-5be4305831a4@earthlink.net>

I was reading a recent issue of IEEE Spectrum where there was an article
about a couple of star power train engineers at Ford who were laid off
when the company saw there was no future in non-electric vehicles.  And
I was thinking how Teletype Corp. had world-class ability to design and
manufacture complicated mechanical items of metal and did not adequately
forsee a future of plastics and stepper motors and electronics.

Probably Model 37 should not have been undertaken, although the technology
did lead to a successful - for a time - stock ticker.  It seemed all
bets were on Inktronic for a high speed printer.  Model 40 could have
been a great printer, but now we know there was a bad choice of plastic
material for the type carrier.  Meanwhile dot matrix and daisywheel
took over the limited market for Model 37.  Teletype had patented a
daisywheel printer in 1939, but it wasn't attractive to produce in those
days before the plastic daisywheels were possible.  And, really, before
integrated circuits.  Teletype did some impressive things with in-house
manufacure of integrated circuits, but as several companies have learned
you don't want to manufacture ICs unless you are going to make millions
of them.  And the personal computer industry ran away with the market
for dot matrix, ink jet, and laser printing.

Sitting next to me here is a Brother daisywheel typewriter that I bought
at Sears many years ago.  This one has a connector on the side for
a Centronics style printer connector in case I want to drive it from a
computer.  I havven't ussed it in a long time because he last time I
tried the printing was pretty faint.  I don't know if the hammer is
not hitting hard enough, or if the carbon ribon is too old and dried up.
Maybe I'll see if I can still get a fresh one and whether that will make
the typewriter work again.

 	---

 	"Ya can argue all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was."
 	"No it ain't! No it ain't!  But ya gotta know the territory."
 		Meredith Willson, The Music Man

From erik at bruchez.org  Tue Jul 29 13:06:31 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:06:31 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
In-Reply-To: <000001dbfb99$36fb79a0$a4f26ce0$@ntlworld.com>
References: <CAAc0PEUdFN+0u31bbwgZJZ_xg1Oz6O4jZX_MsJ6BdHatiOHB8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHrdqDb0y28nTL+nvDY6NCuUaFmPxR87Co0JvGocc6choKscCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAc0PEWeiF1eYeCRvZBe=XrpmN8zbDPBu3iySXCbPGK6JcjXeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<347749529.9113984.1753131836767.JavaMail.zimbra@wbsnet.org>
	<CAHrdqDYW-ntWhRZ43aPsyYbW8O4iWh2KLizVc2KZy=+s8pB6Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAc0PEV18ekYMcyLQxbebuEnbLZ4iqHFf+7vooBC4FJg-3F=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHrdqDbm_JDuhci2ix32mBD=Se_M8cyOMSEbbY_h7n7huJdZHw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAc0PEXYPTBF0uSjFWn+KX9zAvGUUCvdpNTXxfctt3Gz_Fej3Q@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I have noticed this and I keep it unplugged when not in use, but I
> wondered WHY it was designed this way? Is there a good reason?
>

I don't have an answer to that question, but at the very least it is a
UI/UX issue: one would expect that a button in the "Off" position would
turn off power entirely, while here it only turns off the motor's power.

This said, I have success to report: I managed to get the magnet energized!

I resolved to transplant the Q1 transistor from one SMD board to the other.
This did not appear to change anything, and I figured that maybe neither of
my boards were good.

I tried adjusting the "rheostat", to no avail. Output voltage varied
between about 2 V and 3 V (but see below).

Then I decided to measure the resistance of the magnet, and I measured 6
Ohms. Finally it clicked: I had measured about 3 V on the output of Q2,
which I had assumed was incorrect (IBM machines have solenoids which work
at 24 V or even 48 V). Good old Ohm's law says that the current should be
0.5 A, which is exactly what the schematic says. So, with the swapped
transistor, my driver was working, but still the magnet was not energized!

It turned out that the issue was the way the magnet was adjusted: there are
two screws which allow positioning the magnet assembly. I hadn't put them
back perfectly, so the magnet was actually energized, but not well enough
that it could pull the metal plate. One simple adjustment later, and it
worked!

After swapping back my transistors, the previously working SMD board
stopped working. So my original Q1 transistor is definitely toast.

All in all I had 3 issues so far:

- dead electrolytic capacitor
- dead Q1 transistor
- misadjusted magnet

But I can now move on to the next set of issues ;)

I'd still be interested in finding a replacement Q1 transistor, so I can
have a second working SMD board for my other Model 33 (eventually).

If anybody is interested, I have pictures of the work in progress here:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/S2CtApKF8CMEmwm5A

Eventually I'll write a blog post or two about it as well.

-Erik
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From ad7i at ad7i.net  Tue Jul 29 13:22:06 2025
From: ad7i at ad7i.net (Paul Newland, ad7i)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:22:06 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAAc0PEXYPTBF0uSjFWn+KX9zAvGUUCvdpNTXxfctt3Gz_Fej3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAc0PEUdFN+0u31bbwgZJZ_xg1Oz6O4jZX_MsJ6BdHatiOHB8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHrdqDb0y28nTL+nvDY6NCuUaFmPxR87Co0JvGocc6choKscCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAc0PEWeiF1eYeCRvZBe=XrpmN8zbDPBu3iySXCbPGK6JcjXeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<347749529.9113984.1753131836767.JavaMail.zimbra@wbsnet.org>
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	<CAAc0PEV18ekYMcyLQxbebuEnbLZ4iqHFf+7vooBC4FJg-3F=Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHrdqDbm_JDuhci2ix32mBD=Se_M8cyOMSEbbY_h7n7huJdZHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<441249020.9354.1753207247448@connect.xfinity.com>
	<000001dbfb99$36fb79a0$a4f26ce0$@ntlworld.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHrdqDa7msAzdodVwfd8vQiV55BDj6MyYKFmqOStzGSWtgXaBw@mail.gmail.com>

Terrific photography!  And an amazing project.  That TTY cleaned up really
nicely.

Well done!

Paul, ad7i


On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 1:06?PM Erik Bruchez <erik at bruchez.org> wrote:

> I have noticed this and I keep it unplugged when not in use, but I
>> wondered WHY it was designed this way? Is there a good reason?
>>
>
> I don't have an answer to that question, but at the very least it is a
> UI/UX issue: one would expect that a button in the "Off" position would
> turn off power entirely, while here it only turns off the motor's power.
>
> This said, I have success to report: I managed to get the magnet energized!
>
> I resolved to transplant the Q1 transistor from one SMD board to the
> other. This did not appear to change anything, and I figured that maybe
> neither of my boards were good.
>
> I tried adjusting the "rheostat", to no avail. Output voltage varied
> between about 2 V and 3 V (but see below).
>
> Then I decided to measure the resistance of the magnet, and I measured 6
> Ohms. Finally it clicked: I had measured about 3 V on the output of Q2,
> which I had assumed was incorrect (IBM machines have solenoids which work
> at 24 V or even 48 V). Good old Ohm's law says that the current should be
> 0.5 A, which is exactly what the schematic says. So, with the swapped
> transistor, my driver was working, but still the magnet was not energized!
>
> It turned out that the issue was the way the magnet was adjusted: there
> are two screws which allow positioning the magnet assembly. I hadn't put
> them back perfectly, so the magnet was actually energized, but not well
> enough that it could pull the metal plate. One simple adjustment later, and
> it worked!
>
> After swapping back my transistors, the previously working SMD board
> stopped working. So my original Q1 transistor is definitely toast.
>
> All in all I had 3 issues so far:
>
> - dead electrolytic capacitor
> - dead Q1 transistor
> - misadjusted magnet
>
> But I can now move on to the next set of issues ;)
>
> I'd still be interested in finding a replacement Q1 transistor, so I can
> have a second working SMD board for my other Model 33 (eventually).
>
> If anybody is interested, I have pictures of the work in progress here:
>
>     https://photos.app.goo.gl/S2CtApKF8CMEmwm5A
>
> Eventually I'll write a blog post or two about it as well.
>
> -Erik
>
>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Tue Jul 29 13:24:41 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:24:41 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- if a teletype engineer only had plastic parts
In-Reply-To: <dd7be635-d676-feda-8f63-5be4305831a4@earthlink.net>
References: <abb9b405-3539-4865-a32c-b6135c6b933f@app.fastmail.com>
	<dd7be635-d676-feda-8f63-5be4305831a4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <448de6e4204d7c956456b5784696cd78.squirrel@hallikainen.org>



On Tue, July 29, 2025 9:22 am, Jim Haynes wrote:
> I was reading a recent issue of IEEE Spectrum where there was an article
> about a couple of star power train engineers at Ford who were laid off when
> the company saw there was no future in non-electric vehicles.  And I was
> thinking how Teletype Corp. had world-class ability to design and
> manufacture complicated mechanical items of metal and did not adequately
> forsee a future of plastics and stepper motors and electronics.

I think Teletype did a great job on the model 43, which had a plastic case
and used a stepper motor to move the print head and paper. It produced the
best impact dot matrix print I've ever seen.

Today, I'm very impressed with the "boil the ink" inkjet printers. Also,
I'm impressed with the speed of the thermal printers used to print
receipts at point of sale terminals. That paper just flies out of there,
and the print quality is very good (though sometimes it looks like the
print head needs to be cleaned).

Getting print on paper is fascinating!

Harold
https://w6iwi.org


-- 
Not sent from an iPhone.

From til128 at juno.com  Tue Jul 29 13:55:27 2025
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:55:27 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lever on M28 cabinet
Message-ID: <20250729.135527.10654.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

It is used to tilt the kbd and printer for maintenance.

TT WB2TTY

Please note: message attached

From: Duncanancy <Duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lever on M28 cabinet
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:22:09 -0400


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From harnishj at aadl.org  Tue Jul 29 13:14:03 2025
From: harnishj at aadl.org (Jody Harnish)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dead Media Day Ann Arbor,
 MI - Call for Vendors and Exhibitors - Deadline 7/31
Message-ID: <1628648193.58309218.1753809243974.JavaMail.zimbra@aadl.org>

Hello Greenkeys! 

My name is Jody Harnish from the Ann Arbor District Library, and we're planning a new Fall expo called Dead Media Day! 

Event is Sunday October 12 , 2025 and applications are currently open through Thursday July 31 . 

[ https://aadl.org/deadmediaday | https://aadl.org/deadmediaday ] 

We're taking a very broad definition as to what constitutes "dead" media, not because we're looking forward to the arguments, but so that it's a cooler show. Everything from VHS, Laserdisc, Cassettes, Vinyl, HiFi Equipment, Projectors, Film in all formats motion and still, Pulp Novels, Vintage Games, Mechanical Watches, Typewriters, old Radios and more! 

I was wondering if anyone in Southern Michigan or the Northern Ohio vicinity might be interested in doing a working Teletype exhibit at our event? So ideally setting up their gear and demonstrating its function, and talking about it to an eager, all ages audience? Selling is also fine but I expect the market will be small, but the interest will be large. 

Here's a direct link to the app form if you would like to table: 
[ https://aadl.org/deadmediaday | https://airtable.com/appfmnGXWBtav3DEr/shrpscgGlBP88B4zG ] 

And a media post if you know of anyone who you might share it with: 
[ https://www.instagram.com/aadlgram/p/DLZ_-R_O5Qe/ | https://www.instagram.com/aadlgram/p/DLZ_-R_O5Qe/ ] 

Thank you for your time and consideration! 

Jody Harnish 
Production Librarian 
Ann Arbor District Library 
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From til128 at juno.com  Tue Jul 29 14:05:18 2025
From: til128 at juno.com (til128 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:05:18 GMT
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
Message-ID: <20250729.140518.10654.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

You would need a KBD base sans the kbd. and sending equipment.

TT WB2TTY

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From: Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:45:10 -0400


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I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic 
part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I 
searched for the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have 
one to spare?

 ? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 14:07:01 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 14:07:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
In-Reply-To: <e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e@verizon.net>
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I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except for local
CR and local LF.
Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but probably
not.
A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys properly.
Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis (152000) -
better check those part numbers!
YMMV. No Warranty.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic part
> on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I searched for
> the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>
>   Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
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From jim at k6ccc.org  Tue Jul 29 14:22:05 2025
From: jim at k6ccc.org (jim at k6ccc.org)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 11:22:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dead Media Day Ann Arbor,
	MI - Call for Vendors and Exhibitors - Deadline 7/31
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References: <1628648193.58309218.1753809243974.JavaMail.zimbra@aadl.org>
Message-ID: <1753813325.908227494@apps.rackspace.com>

That sounds it would be a fun event.  Unfortunately, I'm almost 2,000 miles away...

Jim
K6CCC




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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2025 10:14
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dead Media Day Ann Arbor, MI - Call for Vendors and Exhibitors - Deadline 7/31

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Message delivered to jim at k6ccc.orgHello Greenkeys! 

My name is Jody Harnish from the Ann Arbor District Library, and we're planning a new Fall expo called Dead Media Day! 

Event is Sunday October 12 , 2025 and applications are currently open through Thursday July 31 . 

[ https://aadl.org/deadmediaday | https://aadl.org/deadmediaday ] 

We're taking a very broad definition as to what constitutes "dead" media, not because we're looking forward to the arguments, but so that it's a cooler show. Everything from VHS, Laserdisc, Cassettes, Vinyl, HiFi Equipment, Projectors, Film in all formats motion and still, Pulp Novels, Vintage Games, Mechanical Watches, Typewriters, old Radios and more! 

I was wondering if anyone in Southern Michigan or the Northern Ohio vicinity might be interested in doing a working Teletype exhibit at our event? So ideally setting up their gear and demonstrating its function, and talking about it to an eager, all ages audience? Selling is also fine but I expect the market will be small, but the interest will be large. 

Here's a direct link to the app form if you would like to table: 
[ https://aadl.org/deadmediaday | https://airtable.com/appfmnGXWBtav3DEr/shrpscgGlBP88B4zG ] 

And a media post if you know of anyone who you might share it with: 
[ https://www.instagram.com/aadlgram/p/DLZ_-R_O5Qe/ | https://www.instagram.com/aadlgram/p/DLZ_-R_O5Qe/ ] 

Thank you for your time and consideration! 

Jody Harnish 
Production Librarian 
Ann Arbor District Library 



From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Jul 29 14:53:54 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 14:53:54 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdfUU-m1PPGE493HK_Huhb_PA+QVNBCCtRkWifxgpMVTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e.ref@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <CAPK6WseGLHxbx56DaQyFZJKq9Q9ShWQYNJER+-fxFFB0-7k6-g@mail.gmail.com>

While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO base?
OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits over the
keyboard.

Jeff

On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
> I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except for local
> CR and local LF.
> Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but
> probably not.
> A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys properly.
> Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis (152000) -
> better check those part numbers!
> YMMV. No Warranty.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic
>> part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I searched
>> for the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>>
>>   Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> GreenKeys mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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From mooreericnyc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 14:37:02 2025
From: mooreericnyc at gmail.com (Eric Moore)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:37:02 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Dead Media Day Ann Arbor,
 MI - Call for Vendors and Exhibitors - Deadline 7/31
In-Reply-To: <1628648193.58309218.1753809243974.JavaMail.zimbra@aadl.org>
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I am 4 hours away. I have a BRPE paper tape punch in a hard case I can send
for you to use for your event.

If you or someone from your group can make it to Schaumburg, I can loan you
a teletype.

Drop me an email off list.

-Eric




On Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 1:01?PM Jody Harnish <harnishj at aadl.org> wrote:

> Hello Greenkeys!
>
> My name is Jody Harnish from the Ann Arbor District Library, and we're
> planning a new Fall expo called Dead Media Day!
>
> Event is Sunday October 12, 2025 and applications are currently open
> through Thursday July 31.
>
> https://aadl.org/deadmediaday
>
> We're taking a very broad definition as to what constitutes "dead" media,
> not because we're looking forward to the arguments, but so that it's a
> cooler show. Everything from VHS, Laserdisc, Cassettes, Vinyl, HiFi
> Equipment, Projectors, Film in all formats motion and still, Pulp Novels,
> Vintage Games, Mechanical Watches, Typewriters, old Radios and more!
>
> I was wondering if anyone in Southern Michigan or the Northern Ohio
> vicinity might be interested in doing a working Teletype exhibit at our
> event? So ideally setting up their gear and demonstrating its function, and
> talking about it to an eager, all ages audience? Selling is also fine but I
> expect the market will be small, but the interest will be large.
>
> Here's a direct link to the app form if you would like to table:
> https://airtable.com/appfmnGXWBtav3DEr/shrpscgGlBP88B4zG
> <https://aadl.org/deadmediaday>
>
> And a media post if you know of anyone who you might share it with:
> https://www.instagram.com/aadlgram/p/DLZ_-R_O5Qe/
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration!
>
> Jody Harnish
> Production Librarian
> Ann Arbor District Library
> ______________________________________________________________
> GreenKeys mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Tue Jul 29 16:57:21 2025
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Brenda Gentry)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 16:57:21 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
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References: <e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e.ref@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <db8599e0-6bc0-a65f-95f9-a3393f5a3f9f@verizon.net>

I am learning what to ask for. I am starting to believe I need an RO 
base with the plastic front piece that is much smaller than a KSR. I get 
the impression if I can find an RO base all I would need to do is remove 
the KSR base with all of the keyboard and transmitting parts, install 
the RO base, and move the typer, motor and speed gears to the RO base. 
This conversion would be considered a downgrade, but space is critical 
and I need? RO only in this case.

 ? Brenda

On 7/29/25 2:53 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO 
> base? OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits 
> over the keyboard.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
>     I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except
>     for local CR and local LF.
>     Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but
>     probably not.
>     A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys
>     properly.
>     Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis
>     (152000) - better check those part numbers!
>     YMMV. No Warranty.
>
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
>     On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys
>     <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>
>         I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller
>         plastic part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be
>         easier if I searched for the entire chassis and front from an
>         RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>
>         ? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>         ______________________________________________________________
>         GreenKeys mailing list
>         Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>         Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>         <mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>
>         >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>         https://teletype.net/gksearch
>         >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>         http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>         >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>         http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>         >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>         http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
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>
>     >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>     https://teletype.net/gksearch
>     >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>     http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>     >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>     http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>
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From jeffg at junknet.net  Tue Jul 29 17:01:01 2025
From: jeffg at junknet.net (Jeff G)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:01:01 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
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Yep that's my take. I'll have to look at home I have (I think?) an empty 28
cabinet, not sure if it had a base in it or not.

Jeff

On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 4:57?PM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I am learning what to ask for. I am starting to believe I need an RO base
> with the plastic front piece that is much smaller than a KSR. I get the
> impression if I can find an RO base all I would need to do is remove the
> KSR base with all of the keyboard and transmitting parts, install the RO
> base, and move the typer, motor and speed gears to the RO base. This
> conversion would be considered a downgrade, but space is critical and I
> need  RO only in this case.
>
>   Brenda
> On 7/29/25 2:53 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>
> While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO base?
> OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits over the
> keyboard.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
>> I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except for local
>> CR and local LF.
>> Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but
>> probably not.
>> A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys
>> properly.
>> Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis (152000) -
>> better check those part numbers!
>> YMMV. No Warranty.
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
>> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic
>>> part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I searched
>>> for the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>>>
>>>   Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> GreenKeys mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to navy.radio at gmail.com
>>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 17:14:58 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:14:58 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
In-Reply-To: <db8599e0-6bc0-a65f-95f9-a3393f5a3f9f@verizon.net>
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I'm getting confused - Lets try using Teletype's terminology

BASE is the metal frame that the motor and printing unit attach to
  RO base does not have the keyboard parts (keys, code bars, etc.) attached
to it
  BUT - I *believe* that the same base part number 152000 is used for both
RO and KSR (KSR just has more parts attached)
COVER is the plastic shroud that goes over front
  for RO it is shorter with just holes for CR and LF
  for KSR it is deeper and has room for the keyboard
CABINET is the overall enclosure
  it may be table-top or floor mount
  I *believe* that the same CABINET will work for RO or KSR

I am ignoring wiring differences like the need to jumper over the missing
keyboard contacts in an RO.
My *belief* comes from looking at these actual items in my basement and
garage
And consulting my trusty 1149B

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 4:57?PM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I am learning what to ask for. I am starting to believe I need an RO base
> with the plastic front piece that is much smaller than a KSR. I get the
> impression if I can find an RO base all I would need to do is remove the
> KSR base with all of the keyboard and transmitting parts, install the RO
> base, and move the typer, motor and speed gears to the RO base. This
> conversion would be considered a downgrade, but space is critical and I
> need  RO only in this case.
>
>   Brenda
> On 7/29/25 2:53 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>
> While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO base?
> OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits over the
> keyboard.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
>> I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except for local
>> CR and local LF.
>> Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but
>> probably not.
>> A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys
>> properly.
>> Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis (152000) -
>> better check those part numbers!
>> YMMV. No Warranty.
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
>> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic
>>> part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I searched
>>> for the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>>>
>>>   Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
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>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>
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> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 29 17:33:28 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:33:28 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Lever on M28 cabinet
In-Reply-To: <20250729.135527.10654.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
References: <20250729.135527.10654.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <60e59e74-fc50-41ef-81de-45d672af5da5@earthlink.net>

Tom & Bob,

Thanks!

I'd seen small pictures in brochures with the unit tilted, but never 
seen any details in the manuals.

73,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 7/29/2025 1:55 PM, til128 at juno.com wrote:
> It is used to tilt the kbd and printer for maintenance.
>
> TT WB2TTY
>
> Please note: message attached
>
> From: Duncanancy<Duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> To: Green Keys<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Lever on M28 cabinet
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:22:09 -0400
>
>
>
> What is this lever for on the right side of most M28 KSR cabinets?
>
> Thanks,
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> Sent from my Kleinschmidt TT-4/TG, the US Army's first portable 
> digital communications device, 1950-1980
>
>
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From jim at k6ccc.org  Tue Jul 29 17:46:38 2025
From: jim at k6ccc.org (jim at k6ccc.org)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] OT -- if a teletype engineer only had plastic parts
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----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>

> I was reading a recent issue of IEEE Spectrum where there was an article
> about a couple of star power train engineers at Ford who were laid off
> when the company saw there was no future in non-electric vehicles.

That almost makes me cry considering how hard Ford is trying NOT to sell any electric vehicle.  Almost everybody else is advertising their EVs and Ford not only is not advertising them, but God help you if you try to buy one.  Dealer after dealer will just give you lip service, but make no effort to actually find or sell you an EV - and this is southern California (the EV capital of the US).  Ask me how I know...

Sorry for the off-topic rant

73
-----
Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim at k6ccc.org



From erik at bruchez.org  Tue Jul 29 21:26:17 2025
From: erik at bruchez.org (Erik Bruchez)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:26:17 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Q1 transistor replacement
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>
> Terrific photography!  And an amazing project.  That TTY cleaned up really
> nicely.
>
> Well done!
>

Thank you, Paul! There is still a lot of work to be done :)
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From mmcauley at cox.net  Wed Jul 30 14:39:38 2025
From: mmcauley at cox.net (MIKE MCAULEY)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:39:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] HAL DS-3100 ASR Teletype
References: <793661286.149790.1753900778814.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <793661286.149790.1753900778814@mail.yahoo.com>

Seen on Craigslist.Just passing it along.?
https://chico.craigslist.org/ele/d/chico-hal-ds-3100-asr-teletype/7869750869.html
Mike
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From paul0926 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 30 14:53:53 2025
From: paul0926 at comcast.net (Paul Heller)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:53:53 -0600
Subject: [GreenKeys] ITTY channels are going offline for a few minutes
Message-ID: <039ADEFB-AAAD-44D9-BFC1-1331E1006534@comcast.net>

I waited until today?s rttyart was finished. I need to shut power for a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience. All channels will be back up soon

Paul

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 15:36:27 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 15:36:27 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ribbon status update
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfVWMVOjYYCy8a9DjqXexS1_4nyc1LQgCLbOudHEemHiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNfVWMVOjYYCy8a9DjqXexS1_4nyc1LQgCLbOudHEemHiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfAqqGPgy-G6L5BUsgRv+wHFu4XfeqC-Pd5hN2EmPWD6g@mail.gmail.com>

John Toebes has finished the 3D model and says-
------
The model as it stands is public (
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da
)
and if anyone else wants to take a stab at printing or editing, I?m all
ears.
---------
John is investigating the best way to print, regarding smoothness,
supports, etc.

Michael Katzmann reports on the German eBay ribbons
Note - I think the eBay buy it now price has jumped from $75 to $95 plus
shipping.
-------------------------------------
Michael says
   The NCR ribbons from Germany are perfect.
You can see the comparison between the original (that was in the machine
for 30 years) and the NOS ribbon I just installed. (the new ink is dark
violet).
[yes the photo looks really good - Nick]
Yes, it's pricey ... I paid around $100 (for four) with shipping.
1 item    $55.00
Shipping  $38.28
Tax*      $5.60
Order total  $98.88
(I made an offer and accepted the counter offer of $55 but think the price
has gone up since I purchased them)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224506008457

----------------------------------------

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael Katzmann has ribbon cartridges on the way from the German eBay
> source and will let us know if they are the correct ones. They had made it
> from Germany to NYC at last report.
>
> John Toebes has completed a 3D model of the ribbon cassette and his test
> print looks really nice. I will install and test his final version and let
> everyone know. I?ll also evaluate new ribbon sources.
>
> Finally, don?t forget to adjust the print head position lever. Mine came
> with the head fully retracted and I thought ?dry ribbon? until I realized
> what was happening. Now it is very happily printing.
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg
>
> I keep adding observations and hints at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
>
> Cheers
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
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From w9pog73 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 15:56:40 2025
From: w9pog73 at gmail.com (Aidan Riley)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:56:40 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 Issue
Message-ID: <CAE0GH6OSKzHT+fbtE+Unx_t3gV8cktsNJHtTWnZDMZRxxPM3mA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was having issues with the line feed of my Model 33, and was wondering if
anyone had a solution or had seen something similar. When I send a line
feed character, it sometimes will not fully feed the line, as if the
sprocket wasn't pushed down far enough or with enough force. I adjusted the
spring to try to fix this but did not have luck. The paper is not slipping
at all - the platen is not fully turning. I did also note that the platen
turns plenty easily by hand.

73,
Aidan W9POG
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From vk2bea at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 15:57:19 2025
From: vk2bea at gmail.com (Michael Katzmann)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 15:57:19 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ribbon status update
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See photos here (last two images) ...
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOpV2MR_vRNMhRT4mOLRj8smfnD64DvfyjKg6fkdUiGmwGY6qtjthZ5BJ-q9BweDQ?key=RFF2MFdaM3Fub3NFMTV1UDhQY2Y1b3hKTE90N2VB


On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 3:37?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> John Toebes has finished the 3D model and says-
> ------
> The model as it stands is public (
> https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da
> )
> and if anyone else wants to take a stab at printing or editing, I?m all
> ears.
> ---------
> John is investigating the best way to print, regarding smoothness,
> supports, etc.
>
> Michael Katzmann reports on the German eBay ribbons
> Note - I think the eBay buy it now price has jumped from $75 to $95 plus
> shipping.
> -------------------------------------
> Michael says
>    The NCR ribbons from Germany are perfect.
> You can see the comparison between the original (that was in the machine
> for 30 years) and the NOS ribbon I just installed. (the new ink is dark
> violet).
> [yes the photo looks really good - Nick]
> Yes, it's pricey ... I paid around $100 (for four) with shipping.
> 1 item    $55.00
> Shipping  $38.28
> Tax*      $5.60
> Order total  $98.88
> (I made an offer and accepted the counter offer of $55 but think the price
> has gone up since I purchased them)
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224506008457
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael Katzmann has ribbon cartridges on the way from the German eBay
>> source and will let us know if they are the correct ones. They had made it
>> from Germany to NYC at last report.
>>
>> John Toebes has completed a 3D model of the ribbon cassette and his test
>> print looks really nice. I will install and test his final version and let
>> everyone know. I?ll also evaluate new ribbon sources.
>>
>> Finally, don?t forget to adjust the print head position lever. Mine came
>> with the head fully retracted and I thought ?dry ribbon? until I realized
>> what was happening. Now it is very happily printing.
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg
>>
>> I keep adding observations and hints at
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
>>
>> Cheers
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
> >>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
> https://teletype.net/gksearch
> >>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
> >>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
> >>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From ka2ivy at verizon.net  Wed Jul 30 16:41:14 2025
From: ka2ivy at verizon.net (Brenda Gentry)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 16:41:14 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
In-Reply-To: <166246950.113827.1753905202869@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e.ref@verizon.net>
	<e4bb865a-16ce-3c6d-97c4-ca3be4c39b2e@verizon.net>
	<CAB55hNdfUU-m1PPGE493HK_Huhb_PA+QVNBCCtRkWifxgpMVTA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7f32cf09-2875-7e05-a34c-b18e43caebc4@verizon.net>

The footprint is not a problem, and a compact would need some sort of 
stand. Others have responded with advice, and if I can find an RO base 
and cover, that is all I would need.? Those items would also be less 
expensive to buy and ship.

 ?? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY


On 7/30/25 3:53 PM, paul cembura wrote:
> To save space have you considered a M28RO compact?
> Paul
> mr_rtty
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2025 at 01:57:57 PM PDT, Brenda Gentry via 
> GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>
> I am learning what to ask for. I am starting to believe I need an RO 
> base with the plastic front piece that is much smaller than a KSR. I 
> get the impression if I can find an RO base all I would need to do is 
> remove the KSR base with all of the keyboard and transmitting parts, 
> install the RO base, and move the typer, motor and speed gears to the 
> RO base. This conversion would be considered a downgrade, but space is 
> critical and I need? RO only in this case.
>
> ? Brenda
>
> On 7/29/25 2:53 PM, Jeff G wrote:
> While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO 
> base? OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits 
> over the keyboard.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
>     I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except
>     for local CR and local LF.
>     Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but
>     probably not.
>     A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys
>     properly.
>     Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis
>     (152000) - better check those part numbers!
>     YMMV. No Warranty.
>
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
>     On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys
>     <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>
>         I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller
>         plastic part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be
>         easier if I searched for the entire chassis and front from an
>         RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>
>         ? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
>
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From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:39:30 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
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 Pardon my confusion, but I am trying to understand.
The difference between 28KSR and 28RO is 3" front-to-back

Do you have a KSR in a floor-mount cabinet, and you want to turn it into a
RO in the same floor-mount cabinet?
IF SO - It seems like you have two choices
1) find an RO base (chassis) and move your motor and typing unit to it and
install it in the floor-mount cabinet
2) pull the keyboard parts off your KSR base (chassis) and put it back in
the floor-mount cabinet.
In either case you'd need a new 153117 RO front cover (plastic shroud)
which will save you the 3" on the front.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 4:41?PM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The footprint is not a problem, and a compact would need some sort of
> stand. Others have responded with advice, and if I can find an RO base and
> cover, that is all I would need.  Those items would also be less expensive
> to buy and ship.
>
>    Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>
> On 7/30/25 3:53 PM, paul cembura wrote:
>
> To save space have you considered a M28RO compact?
> Paul
> mr_rtty
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2025 at 01:57:57 PM PDT, Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>
> I am learning what to ask for. I am starting to believe I need an RO base
> with the plastic front piece that is much smaller than a KSR. I get the
> impression if I can find an RO base all I would need to do is remove the
> KSR base with all of the keyboard and transmitting parts, install the RO
> base, and move the typer, motor and speed gears to the RO base. This
> conversion would be considered a downgrade, but space is critical and I
> need  RO only in this case.
>
>   Brenda
> On 7/29/25 2:53 PM, Jeff G wrote:
>
> While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO base?
> OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits over the
> keyboard.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO).
> I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except for local
> CR and local LF.
> Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but
> probably not.
> A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys properly.
> Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis (152000) -
> better check those part numbers!
> YMMV. No Warranty.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic part
> on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I searched for
> the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
>
>   Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
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From rttyelectronics at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 15:53:22 2025
From: rttyelectronics at yahoo.com (paul cembura)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 19:53:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Parts to Change 28 KSR to RO
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 To save space have you considered a M28RO compact?Paulmr_rtty


    On Tuesday, July 29, 2025 at 01:57:57 PM PDT, Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
  
I am learning what to ask for. I am starting to believe I need an RO base with the plastic front piece that is much smaller than a KSR. I get the impression if I can find an RO base all I would need to do is remove the KSR base with all of the keyboard and transmitting parts, install the RO base, and move the typer, motor and speed gears to the RO base. This conversion would be considered a downgrade, but space is critical and I need? RO only in this case.
 
? Brenda
 
 On 7/29/25 2:53 PM, Jeff G wrote:
  
 
 While I guess it could be converted, wouldn't you really want an RO base? OR in the case of one of the 28s I got, it has a cover that fits over the keyboard. 
  Jeff  
  On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:08?PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
  
  I just looked at a RO and KSR chassis (sorry, no extra RO). I think you would just need to remove the keys/keylevers except for local CR and local LF. Maybe need to remove the keyboard code bars, transmitter, etc, but probably not. A new RO front cover seems like it would align the CR and LF keys properly. Paul Cembura probably has RO front cover (153117) and chassis (152000) - better check those part numbers!
  YMMV. No Warranty. 
        Nick England K4NYW
 www.navy-radio.com
        
  
  On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:45?AM Brenda Gentry via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
  
  
I want to convert a 28 KSR to RO. Aside from the much smaller plastic part on the front, what else would I need? Would it be easier if I searched for the entire chassis and front from an RO? Does anyone have one to spare?
 
 
? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY
 
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From: kg5ylg at austin.rr.com (John Hargett)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:22:22 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ribbon status update
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So have tried to look at the Onshape file, and even set up a free 
account, but unable to load, doesnt matter which browser I am using and 
even did a? browser check thru onshape and says that it is compatible , 
never used onshape before, any suggestions?

Can I download the file and open in my 3d print software?


John Hargett
   KG5YLG
   

On 7/30/2025 2:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>
> John Toebes has finished the 3D model and says-
> ------
> The model as it stands is public 
> (https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da 
> <https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da>) 
>
> and if anyone else wants to take a stab at printing or editing, I?m 
> all ears.
> ---------
> John is investigating the best way to print, regarding smoothness, 
> supports, etc.
>
> Michael Katzmann reports on the German eBay ribbons
> Note - I think the eBay buy it now price has jumped from $75 to $95 
> plus shipping.
> -------------------------------------
> Michael says
> ? ?The NCR ribbons from Germany are perfect.
> You can see the comparison between the original (that was in the 
> machine for 30 years) and the NOS ribbon I just installed. (the new 
> ink is dark violet).
> [yes the photo looks really good - Nick]
> Yes, it's pricey ... I paid around $100 (for four) with shipping.
> 1 item ? ?$55.00
> Shipping ?$38.28
> Tax* ? ? ?$5.60
> Order total ?$98.88
> (I made an offer and accepted the counter offer of $55 but think the 
> price has gone up since I purchased them)
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224506008457
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Michael Katzmann has ribbon cartridges on the way from the German
>     eBay source and will let us know if they are the correct ones.
>     They had made it from Germany to NYC at last report.
>
>     John Toebes has completed a 3D model of the ribbon cassette and
>     his test print looks really nice. I will install and test his
>     final version and let everyone know. I?ll also evaluate new ribbon
>     sources.
>
>     Finally, don?t forget to adjust the print head position lever.
>     Mine came with the head fully retracted and I thought ?dry ribbon?
>     until I realized what was happening. Now it is very happily printing.
>     https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg
>
>     I keep adding observations and hints at
>     https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
>
>     Cheers
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>
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From duncanancy at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 30 20:24:26 2025
From: duncanancy at earthlink.net (Duncan Brown)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:24:26 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream - Ras Pi
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Harold,

Your urls work on a laptop (downloads the wav file to be played) but the 
Ras Pi doesnt seem to know what to do with the php urls.

The Museum's computer manager is looking into it.

Anyone else been able to use a RasPi to dowload & play Harolds files?

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 7/28/2025 6:13 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>
> Thanks! The URLs are:
>
> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>
> and
>
> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>
> A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours. latest.php
> does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10 files are kept
> so you can continue to play one without it being overwritten by a new one.
>
> I just tried this:
>
> curl  --Locationhttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>> test.wav
> and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection. The
> fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav. You
> would pipe it to an audio player.
>
> Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't send
> it through lame or other MP3 decoders.
>
> Let me know if I can provide any further information!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Harold
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Harold,
>>
>>
>> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>>
>>
>> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams and
>> send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.?? I would like to add your 60wpm
>> NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for them.
>>
>>
>> -...-
>>
>>
>> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
>> stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to play
>> the file is made?
>>
>> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
>> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a fixed
>> url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>> USASA?? ?? 31J30
>>
>>
>> Antique Wireless Association
>> ??Communication Technologies Museum
>> ?? ??Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>
>>
>> i-Telex: 212503
>>
>>
>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>
>> AWA Youtube channel:
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
>> Virtual AWA Museum TTY Tour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>
>>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>>> streams. It is athttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold
>>> https://w6iwi.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>>
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul 30 20:35:53 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:35:53 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream - Ras Pi
In-Reply-To: <f4150e33-2a9a-4e84-be2d-6f787782683f@earthlink.net>
References: <1f7c8d545034bbe2cb0ceb05e828688e.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<f4150e33-2a9a-4e84-be2d-6f787782683f@earthlink.net>
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What program is the RP using to download? I tried it with curl, and the -L
option is required for it to follow the redirect to the latest file. I
have not tried piping it to an audio player.

Harold

On Wed, July 30, 2025 5:24 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Harold,
>
>
> Your urls work on a laptop (downloads the wav file to be played) but the
> Ras Pi doesnt seem to know what to do with the php urls.
>
>
> The Museum's computer manager is looking into it.
>
>
> Anyone else been able to use a RasPi to dowload & play Harolds files?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> On 7/28/2025 6:13 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks! The URLs are:
>>
>>
>> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>
>>
>> A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours. latest.php
>> does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10 files are
>> kept so you can continue to play one without it being overwritten by a
>> new one.
>>
>> I just tried this:
>>
>>
>> curl  --Locationhttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>
>>> test.wav
>> and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection. The
>>  fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav.
>> You
>> would pipe it to an audio player.
>>
>> Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't
>> send it through lame or other MP3 decoders.
>>
>> Let me know if I can provide any further information!
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Harold,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams
>>> and send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.???? I would like to add
>>> your 60wpm NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> -...-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
>>> stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to
>>> play the file is made?
>>>
>>> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
>>> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a
>>> fixed url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>> USASA???? ???? 31J30
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Antique Wireless Association
>>> ????Communication Technologies Museum
>>> ???? ????Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i-Telex: 212503
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>
>>> AWA Youtube channel:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
>>> Virtual AWA Museum TTY
>>> Tour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>>>> streams. It is athttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Harold
>>>> https://w6iwi.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From elijahj92 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 20:43:38 2025
From: elijahj92 at gmail.com (Elijah Johnson)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:43:38 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ribbon status update
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I was able to download the model as individual STL files for each part, 
packaged as a ZIP. I'll attach that to this email, hopefully it works 
for printing.

On 7/30/2025 7:22 PM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> So have tried to look at the Onshape file, and even set up a free 
> account, but unable to load, doesnt matter which browser I am using 
> and even did a? browser check thru onshape and says that it is 
> compatible , never used onshape before, any suggestions?
>
> Can I download the file and open in my 3d print software?
>
>
> John Hargett
>    KG5YLG
>    
> On 7/30/2025 2:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>>
>> John Toebes has finished the 3D model and says-
>> ------
>> The model as it stands is public 
>> (https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da 
>> <https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da>) 
>>
>> and if anyone else wants to take a stab at printing or editing, I?m 
>> all ears.
>> ---------
>> John is investigating the best way to print, regarding smoothness, 
>> supports, etc.
>>
>> Michael Katzmann reports on the German eBay ribbons
>> Note - I think the eBay buy it now price has jumped from $75 to $95 
>> plus shipping.
>> -------------------------------------
>> Michael says
>> ? ?The NCR ribbons from Germany are perfect.
>> You can see the comparison between the original (that was in the 
>> machine for 30 years) and the NOS ribbon I just installed. (the new 
>> ink is dark violet).
>> [yes the photo looks really good - Nick]
>> Yes, it's pricey ... I paid around $100 (for four) with shipping.
>> 1 item ? ?$55.00
>> Shipping ?$38.28
>> Tax* ? ? ?$5.60
>> Order total ?$98.88
>> (I made an offer and accepted the counter offer of $55 but think the 
>> price has gone up since I purchased them)
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224506008457
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Michael Katzmann has ribbon cartridges on the way from the German
>>     eBay source and will let us know if they are the correct ones.
>>     They had made it from Germany to NYC at last report.
>>
>>     John Toebes has completed a 3D model of the ribbon cassette and
>>     his test print looks really nice. I will install and test his
>>     final version and let everyone know. I?ll also evaluate new
>>     ribbon sources.
>>
>>     Finally, don?t forget to adjust the print head position lever.
>>     Mine came with the head fully retracted and I thought ?dry
>>     ribbon? until I realized what was happening. Now it is very
>>     happily printing.
>>     https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg
>>
>>     I keep adding observations and hints at
>>     https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
>>
>>     Cheers
>>     Nick England K4NYW
>>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>>
>>
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>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
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From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul 30 20:52:37 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:52:37 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream - Ras Pi
In-Reply-To: <f4150e33-2a9a-4e84-be2d-6f787782683f@earthlink.net>
References: <1f7c8d545034bbe2cb0ceb05e828688e.squirrel@hallikainen.org>
	<f4150e33-2a9a-4e84-be2d-6f787782683f@earthlink.net>
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I just tried the below on cygwin:

 mpv https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php

and it worked... You could have a shell script that calls this over and
over, and it SHOULD give you continuous audio always feeding the latest.

Good luck!

Harold

On Wed, July 30, 2025 5:24 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
> Harold,
>
>
> Your urls work on a laptop (downloads the wav file to be played) but the
> Ras Pi doesnt seem to know what to do with the php urls.
>
>
> The Museum's computer manager is looking into it.
>
>
> Anyone else been able to use a RasPi to dowload & play Harolds files?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
> On 7/28/2025 6:13 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks! The URLs are:
>>
>>
>> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>
>>
>> A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours. latest.php
>> does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10 files are
>> kept so you can continue to play one without it being overwritten by a
>> new one.
>>
>> I just tried this:
>>
>>
>> curl  --Locationhttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>
>>> test.wav
>> and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection. The
>>  fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav.
>> You
>> would pipe it to an audio player.
>>
>> Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't
>> send it through lame or other MP3 decoders.
>>
>> Let me know if I can provide any further information!
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Harold,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams
>>> and send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.???? I would like to add
>>> your 60wpm NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs for
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> -...-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
>>> stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request to
>>> play the file is made?
>>>
>>> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
>>> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a
>>> fixed url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>> USASA???? ???? 31J30
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Antique Wireless Association
>>> ????Communication Technologies Museum
>>> ???? ????Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i-Telex: 212503
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>
>>> AWA Youtube channel:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
>>> Virtual AWA Museum TTY
>>> Tour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>>>> streams. It is athttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Harold
>>>> https://w6iwi.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered toharold at w6iwi.org
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>>>
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>>>> Jordan Spencer Cunningham's GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>>>> 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive:
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 20:58:07 2025
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:58:07 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-136 ribbon status update
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Remember that this ribbon cartridge design has NOT BEEN TESTED on an actual
machine yet.
I will be testing next week and John may revise the design based on those
results.
Of course if you want to test, go right ahead and please let us know it
goes..

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 8:44?PM Elijah Johnson <elijahj92 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was able to download the model as individual STL files for each part,
> packaged as a ZIP. I'll attach that to this email, hopefully it works for
> printing.
> On 7/30/2025 7:22 PM, John Hargett wrote:
>
> So have tried to look at the Onshape file, and even set up a free account,
> but unable to load, doesnt matter which browser I am using and even did a
> browser check thru onshape and says that it is compatible , never used
> onshape before, any suggestions?
>
> Can I download the file and open in my 3d print software?
>
>
> John Hargett
>   KG5YLG
>
>
> On 7/30/2025 2:36 PM, Nick England wrote:
>
>
> John Toebes has finished the 3D model and says-
> ------
> The model as it stands is public (
> https://cad.onshape.com/documents/cdc3f96f11393c190fe11103/w/d390734d64166e3974a43552/e/5db85b6313ad37598d4c25e0?renderMode=0&uiState=688a32f04b5cd462bd1047da
> )
> and if anyone else wants to take a stab at printing or editing, I?m all
> ears.
> ---------
> John is investigating the best way to print, regarding smoothness,
> supports, etc.
>
> Michael Katzmann reports on the German eBay ribbons
> Note - I think the eBay buy it now price has jumped from $75 to $95 plus
> shipping.
> -------------------------------------
> Michael says
>    The NCR ribbons from Germany are perfect.
> You can see the comparison between the original (that was in the machine
> for 30 years) and the NOS ribbon I just installed. (the new ink is dark
> violet).
> [yes the photo looks really good - Nick]
> Yes, it's pricey ... I paid around $100 (for four) with shipping.
> 1 item    $55.00
> Shipping  $38.28
> Tax*      $5.60
> Order total  $98.88
> (I made an offer and accepted the counter offer of $55 but think the price
> has gone up since I purchased them)
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224506008457
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael Katzmann has ribbon cartridges on the way from the German eBay
>> source and will let us know if they are the correct ones. They had made it
>> from Germany to NYC at last report.
>>
>> John Toebes has completed a 3D model of the ribbon cassette and his test
>> print looks really nice. I will install and test his final version and let
>> everyone know. I?ll also evaluate new ribbon sources.
>>
>> Finally, don?t forget to adjust the print head position lever. Mine came
>> with the head fully retracted and I thought ?dry ribbon? until I realized
>> what was happening. Now it is very happily printing.
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136/print-head-adjust.jpg
>>
>> I keep adding observations and hints at
>> https://www.navy-radio.com/tty/ugc136.htm#hints
>>
>> Cheers
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
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From douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu  Wed Jul 30 22:24:49 2025
From: douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu (Jones, Douglas W)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 02:24:49 +0000
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External]  Model 33 Issue
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From:? Aidan Riley <w9pog73 at gmail.com> --?Wednesday, July 30, 2025 2:56 PM

> my Model 33, ... a line feed character, it sometimes will not fully feed the line

I have the same problem with the 33 I've been working on.  I've concluded that I need to adjust the length of the linkage from the LF decoder (under the code bars) to the ratchet that feeds the paper.  There is a nice adjustment point for that, typical Teletype style, a bolt you loosen just a little and then some pry points where you can, with a screwdriver, pry the link a bit longer or shorter.

The problem?  The screw I need to turn to loosen that pry point is on very tight, and the head of the screw faces one of the carriage supports so closely that I can't use a screwdriver on it.  Like many TTY screws, it has a hex head, but the clearance doesn't even let me slip a box wrench over it.  I'm tempted to manufacture a custom wrench, unless someone has a better idea.

(Oh yes, I accidentally left it plugged in while out of the room, and it now chatters continuously when the switch is off.  I also need to trouble shoot that.  Ick.)

This will be an issue in a month or two, because we finally got the U of Iowa PDP-8 to execute code from memory.  I believe we'll be ready to celebrate it's 60th birthday by running some demos on it.  It was delivered to the U of Iowa in late 1965.

                  Doug Jones

From harold at w6iwi.org  Wed Jul 30 22:29:56 2025
From: harold at w6iwi.org (Harold Hallikainen)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 19:29:56 -0700
Subject: [GreenKeys] Another AFSK News Stream - Ras Pi
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And here's a shell script:


----------------------
#/bin/bash

# Loop playing of NPR AFSK audio

while true
do
  mpv https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
done

--------------------------

Good luck!

Harold


On Wed, July 30, 2025 5:52 pm, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> I just tried the below on cygwin:
>
>
> mpv https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>
> and it worked... You could have a shell script that calls this over and
> over, and it SHOULD give you continuous audio always feeding the latest.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Harold
>
>
> On Wed, July 30, 2025 5:24 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
>
>> Harold,
>>
>>
>>
>> Your urls work on a laptop (downloads the wav file to be played) but
>> the Ras Pi doesnt seem to know what to do with the php urls.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Museum's computer manager is looking into it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone else been able to use a RasPi to dowload & play Harolds files?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Duncan
>> K2OEQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/2025 6:13 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! The URLs are:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new AFSK file for each of these is created every 2 hours.
>>> latest.php does a redirect to the most recent one. The most recent 10
>>> files are kept so you can continue to play one without it being
>>> overwritten by a new one.
>>>
>>> I just tried this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> curl
>>> --Locationhttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/npr/audio/60wpm/latest.php
>>>
>>>
>>>> test.wav
>>> and it worked. The --Location tells curl to follow the redirection.
>>> The
>>> fetched file is sent to standard output. Here I sent it to test.wav.
>>> You
>>> would pipe it to an audio player.
>>>
>>> Note that the audio is 8 bit WAV at 8 kbps. It is NOT MP3, so don't
>>> send it through lame or other MP3 decoders.
>>>
>>> Let me know if I can provide any further information!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, July 28, 2025 2:23 pm, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Harold,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the URLs for the individual NPR & CSM audio streams?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The AWA Museum presently uses a RasPi to bring out the ITTY streams
>>>>  and send the AFSK signal to a TU for printing.???? I would like to
>>>> add your 60wpm NPR & CSM streams, but don't see the individual URLs
>>>> for them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -...-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looked at all the details in your email and it looks like the audio
>>>>  stream is generated with the newest information whenever a request
>>>> to play the file is made?
>>>>
>>>> Any easy way this could be made such that the latest file could be
>>>> stuffed into a fixed location so that it could be retrieved from a
>>>> fixed url by a simple device such as a RasPi with no display?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>>>> USASA???? ???? 31J30
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Antique Wireless Association
>>>> ????Communication Technologies Museum
>>>> ???? ????Asst. Curator, Commercial Equipment
>>>> (also chief TTY op & repairman)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i-Telex: 212503
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.antiquewireless.org
>>>>
>>>> AWA Youtube channel:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX55peBhzeX1qps_VYXdLBA
>>>> Virtual AWA Museum TTY
>>>> Tour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB6jM90VV8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/2025 12:51 AM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Today I added the Christian Science Monitor to the available news
>>>>>  streams. It is athttps://w6iwi.org/rtty/audio/csm/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Harold
>>>>> https://w6iwi.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
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>>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
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>>>>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html
>>>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
>>>>>>> http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
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>>>>> https://teletype.net/gksearch
>>>>> 2002-to-present greenkeys archive:
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>>>>> Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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From w9ts at att.net  Thu Jul 31 13:08:17 2025
From: w9ts at att.net (Paul Kasley)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 12:08:17 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Model 33 Issue
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I assume you have friction feed units.

Check this: There is a bracket that holds a return spring for the line 
feed drive link coming up from the function area. The travel of the link 
is limited by a projection on this bracket. The bracket is fastened to 
the frame with two screws and the screw slots in the bracket allow its 
vertical adjustment. There is supposed to be a plastic bumper on this 
bracket that the drive link actually rests on. With time, the plastic 
bumper becomes glassy and literally shatters. This changes spacing wrt 
the drive link.

On my 32 and 33, I fashioned new bumpers out of a piece of hard rubber 
scavenged from a chunk of automobile weather stripping and re-positioned 
the bracket. I also tweaked the pry points on the linkage from the drive 
link to the feed pawl.

-w9ts


From teletypeparts at comcast.net  Thu Jul 31 16:08:52 2025
From: teletypeparts at comcast.net (WAYNE)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 16:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GreenKeys] [External] Model 33 Issue
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 16:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
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From dave7 at cox.net  Thu Jul 31 21:13:03 2025
From: dave7 at cox.net (DAVID MCGEHEE)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:13:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [GreenKeys] Jack Hart's (K2TTY/K0TTY) Motor Control Board
References: <1857521257.399113.1754010783819.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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All,I found a 5 year old post in Greenkeys on a discussion concerning this board.Circa Thu, Dec 10 17:58:32 EST 2020.
In the discussion there are references to the schematic being attached,but it's no longer attached.
Being a newbie to Greenkeys is there a way to pull up old posts?
If not, does anyone have information on this board?
Many thanks in advance.
Dave, K4MCG
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From w9ddd at tapr.org  Thu Jul 31 21:57:12 2025
From: w9ddd at tapr.org (John, W9DDD)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:57:12 -0500
Subject: [GreenKeys] Jack Hart's (K2TTY/K0TTY) Motor Control Board
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On my iPhone, I can see it in the archives of greenkeys on 
mailman.qth.net December 2020 thread

There are two links to attachments.  The first one is 'blank', the 
second one is the schematic.


On 7/31/2025 8:13 PM, DAVID MCGEHEE wrote:
> All,
> I found a 5 year old post in Greenkeys on a discussion concerning this 
> board.
> Circa Thu, Dec 10 17:58:32 EST 2020.
>
> In the discussion there are references to the schematic being attached,
> but it's no longer attached.
>
> Being a newbie to Greenkeys is there a way to pull up old posts?
>
> If not, does anyone have information on this board?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Dave, K4MCG
>
>
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From n4be_jim at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 20:28:39 2025
From: n4be_jim at yahoo.com (Jim  (www.n4be.net))
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:28:39 -0400
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype parts grabbag for sale
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