[GreenKeys] Frequency diversity radioteletype experiments

Duncan Brown duncanancy at earthlink.net
Mon Oct 12 20:03:18 EDT 2026


i knew that the military used HF multiplexing of TTY signals, but never 
realized it was using 85Hz shift.  I guess I assumed it was more like 
terrestrial microwave FDM, with 4 Khz channels. (But thinking about it, 
that would have been pretty wasteful!)

Thanks,

Duncan
K2OEQ


On 12-Oct-26 17:48, Nick England wrote:
> Another place for similar technology was in the Navy’s HF fleet 
> broadcast. Eight streams of different information were transmitted 
> within a 3kHz band. Each stream comprised two 85Hz shift channels 
> separated by 1360 Hz for frequency diversity (so 16 channels total). 
> And space diversity could be added in by having two antennas and 
> receivers as well.
> https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty/ucc1/ucc1-sys-101.jpg
>
> Some additional info at
> https://www.navy-radio.com/rtty-mux-ucc1.htm
>
>
> *Channel * 	*Designation * 	*Use*
> 1 	FASW 	Destroyer force primary traffic channel
> 2 	FSPC 	1 hour delayed rebroadcast of channel 1 or overload as necessary
> 3 	FALD 	Service, Amphibious and Mine force primary traffic channel
> 4 	FUSN 	1 hour delayed rebroadcast of channel 3 or overload as necessary
> 5 	FNSC 	Major warships (carriers, cruisers, large destroyers, 
> including flagships) primary traffic channel
> 6 	FOPI 	Special traffic channel (NAVSECGRU)
> 7 	FHIC 	1 hour delayed rebroadcast of channel 5 or overload as necessary
> 8 	FMET 	Weather traffic channel
>
>
>
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> Chapel Hill NC
> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 5:07 PM Duncan Brown via GreenKeys 
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>     John,
>
>     Thanks for the explanation of of the MD-522 diversity. I had
>     wondered how well the MD-522 diversity worked, with the two
>     signals being so close together (at 2.4Khz).  But I had not
>     thought about the improvement from the narrower bandwidths. 
>     Better than a single 850Hz shift signal, but probably not as good
>     as two 850Hz signals a few hundred Khz apart.
>
>     Apparently the Army decided that the simplification of only one
>     transmitter & antenna was worth it for tactical communications.
>
>     Thanks for the info,
>
>     Duncan
>     K2OEQ
>     31J30
>
>
>     On 12-Oct-26 16:40, John Vendely via GreenKeys wrote:
>>     Howdy,
>>
>>     The military sets with which this waveform were used all have a
>>     nominal 3 kHz BW (e.g., audio passband 250-3250 Hz), so the 2805
>>     Hz subcarrier passes with no problem. This certainly could be a
>>     problem with some non-SDR ham-type transceivers.  Regarding
>>     transmitter power, each subcarrier is at 6 dB below PEP, giving a
>>     peak/average power ratio of 2:1.  Linear amplification is
>>     required, of course.
>>
>>     We ran some informal tests comparing standard 850 shift and the
>>     MD-522 frequency diversity mode and observed substantial
>>     reduction in error rates in diversity mode, even though the
>>     single-channel 850 shift FSK is transmitted at 4X the power of
>>     either diversity mode subcarrier.  The very narrow demodulator
>>     bandwidth of 85 shift relative to 850 shift gives a signficant
>>     improvement in SNR and reduced detection threshold. However, the
>>     problem is that during fades, the two closely spaced tones
>>     virtually always fade together, negating some of the advantage of
>>     narrow shift FSK. This is more than compensated for by adding a
>>     second  85 shift subcarrier, widely spaced from the first.  The
>>     spacing is sufficiently wide that the two subcarriers tend to
>>     fade in a nearly uncorrelated manner, much less correlated than
>>     the mark or space fades encountered with 850 shift.  Error rates
>>     are therefore reduced relative to 850 shift despite the reduced
>>     power per subcarrier. In effect, you get the SNR/threshold
>>     advantages of NSK, but mitigate the flat fade problem.
>>
>>     The system does work well.  There were times in which usable copy
>>     was obtained when the signals were barely audible.  Substantial
>>     immunity from interference from SSB, CW, and other digital
>>     stations which often start transmitting on top of us was observed.
>>
>>     73,
>>
>>     John K9WT
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 10/12/2026 1:29 PM, Harold Hallikainen via GreenKeys wrote:
>>
>>>     That sounds great! The 2805 Hz is pretty high for an SSB
>>>     transceiver.
>>>     Also, it seems that the levels of the simultaneous tones have to
>>>     be kept
>>>     down since their amplitudes add. I wonder how this compares with
>>>     just
>>>     running wide shift (say 2 kHz) with dynamic threshold control.
>>>
>>>     I want to experiment some with space diversity. It will not be
>>>     as fancy as
>>>     having two receivers and a diversity TU. Instead, I'll just switch
>>>     antennas whenever the TU is in mark hold. There will be errors, but
>>>     ideally there will be better copy in a long fade.  A TV satation
>>>     I worked
>>>     with did this on a microwave receiver. There were two dishes on
>>>     the tower.
>>>     During a fade, they would switch to the other dish.
>>>
>>>     The 8:30 AM ET is a bit early for me being on MST. But I'm
>>>     almost always
>>>     on 14.086 MHz LSB (14.083,875 MHz Mark, 14.083,705 Space)
>>>     autostart during
>>>     the day.
>>>
>>>     Harold
>>>     https://w6iwi.org
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Mon, October 12, 2026 7:32 am, Nick England via GreenKeys wrote:
>>>>     Ron K3TZJ, John K9WT, and I had very nice QSO/test session last
>>>>     week and
>>>>     today using the MD-522 diversity mode for radioteletype. It
>>>>     worked very
>>>>     well indeed at overcoming fading and QRM. This mode sends
>>>>     identical 85 Hz
>>>>       shift tones centered at 425Hz and 2805Hz. Come join us or
>>>>     listen in.
>>>>     Monday 0930 EDT. 7087kHz USB. Mark low. 45 baud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     And don’t forget our regular Saturday morning 850 shift net
>>>>     starting
>>>>     around 0830 EDT also on 7087 USB (2000 Hz center). A couple of
>>>>     the fellows
>>>>     have used spatial diversity for receiving on that net, with two
>>>>     different
>>>>     antenna/receiver channels feeding a diversity combiner TU.
>>>>
>>>>     Remember, if you don't have a short wave receiver that you can
>>>>     always
>>>>     listen in via web SDR http://www.websdr.org/
>>>>     http://kiwisdr.com/public/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Have fun,
>>>>     Nick England K4NYW
>>>>     Chapel Hill NC
>>>>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
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