From w1tag at w1tag.com  Tue Apr  1 06:40:03 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Tue Apr  1 06:47:38 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Last Night's WSPR Tests
Message-ID: <47F21F13.2030508@w1tag.com>

Thanks to all who posted reports on last night's tests. As expected the 
15 watt signal was difficult to copy, and a couple of the reports had no 
copy of it at all. For those who did copy both, the difference between 
the 150 and 15 watt signals was almost always 10 or 11 dB, which is 
comforting.

It was interesting to compare my two signals with Jay's. He almost 
always was stronger, by a range of a few dB to 12 or more. Of course, 
fading would generally not occur for both of us at the same time. Bill 
deCarle's results don't show the 15 watt signal at all, and has me 
significantly weaker than Jay. That makes sense, as my transmit loop 
should be down around 7 dB in his direction.

More fun later in the week.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From stanw1le at verizon.net  Tue Apr  1 08:30:25 2008
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Tue Apr  1 08:40:33 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WSPR Test tonight
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080331231538.01d6d4b0@magma.ca>
References: <47F14EFA.9090009@w1tag.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080331231538.01d6d4b0@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <47F238F1.3060509@verizon.net>

Good Morning Bill,

How did you get to add the year-month-day for each line ?

Can you describe the loop you use for receiving ?

Thanks  Stan, W1LE   Cape Cod


>
>
> 080401 0028  12 -11   0.0   0.508470  WE2XGR FN31 50
> 080401 0028   3 -26   0.1   0.508500  W1TAG FN42 52

From ve2iq at magma.ca  Tue Apr  1 09:30:08 2008
From: ve2iq at magma.ca (Bill de Carle)
Date: Tue Apr  1 09:37:29 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WSPR Test tonight
In-Reply-To: <47F238F1.3060509@verizon.net>
References: <47F14EFA.9090009@w1tag.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080331231538.01d6d4b0@magma.ca>
	<47F238F1.3060509@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080401100919.01c7c960@magma.ca>

At 09:30 AM 4/1/2008, Stan, W1LE wrote:
>Good Morning Bill,
>
>How did you get to add the year-month-day for each line ?
>
>Can you describe the loop you use for receiving ?
>
>Thanks  Stan, W1LE   Cape Cod
>
>
>>
>>
>>080401 0028  12 -11   0.0   0.508470  WE2XGR FN31 50
>>080401 0028   3 -26   0.1   0.508500  W1TAG FN42 52


Hi Stan and the group:

The program I was using did the timestamps.  I was using the
GUI version of WSPR - check Joe's website, maybe it became
available after you were there?

I was using my LF loop in the woods out back.  Basically I have
2 orthogonal loops in the trees, each about 100' circumference.
One loop favors East-West, the other favors North-South.
I can use either of them individually or both connected in
series (in two different ways, to select NE-SW or NW-SE).
I have a switchbox with some caps I can switch in for various
peaks on 137 and 160-190 Khz.  I don't have any caps which
are good for 500 Khz.  I went out last night in the dark to
hook up for NW-SE but no joy because it was raining hard
(we received about an inch of rain last night and the temp
was hovering around freezing) and the snow was so soft my
snowshoes sank in up to my calfs!  After a few frustrating
minutes I gave up and just used the already-connected EW loop
with the closest capacitor for 500 Khz.  The antenna was very
poor for 500 Khz in John & Jay's direction but I figured it
would be OK for WSPR.  Guess it wasn't good enough for the
15W signal.  During the entire test we had pretty horrible
powerline QRM here because everything was soaked.  Under
better condx I would have copied the 15W signal.

Bill

From chastant at smart.net  Wed Apr  2 21:00:16 2008
From: chastant at smart.net (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed Apr  2 21:08:11 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] tonite
Message-ID: <2f80819e0804021900i2f06093enb9be3c22d27a26c1@mail.gmail.com>

Caught /2 Fhell and /6 cw tonite
de Lloyd W3NF
 www.geocities.com/lacwman/apr2.jpg
From pete at pcranwell.com  Thu Apr  3 03:54:36 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Thu Apr  3 04:02:08 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 507 KHZ   WE2XGR/6
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0804021900i2f06093enb9be3c22d27a26c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLKEPFCDAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

Receiving CW WE2XGR/6 at S6

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of lloyd chastant
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:00 PM
To: Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp, UK) and MedFer bands
Subject: [Lowfer] tonite


Caught /2 Fhell and /6 cw tonite
de Lloyd W3NF
 www.geocities.com/lacwman/apr2.jpg
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Thu Apr  3 06:30:20 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Apr  3 06:37:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] tonite
References: <2f80819e0804021900i2f06093enb9be3c22d27a26c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c8957e$19c92650$6d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Lloyd

Thanks for the HELL report. Which program were you using to view it?

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lloyd chastant" <chastant@smart.net>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp, UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:00 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] tonite


> Caught /2 Fhell and /6 cw tonite
> de Lloyd W3NF
> www.geocities.com/lacwman/apr2.jpg
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From chastant at smart.net  Thu Apr  3 11:35:38 2008
From: chastant at smart.net (lloyd chastant)
Date: Thu Apr  3 11:43:32 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] tonite
In-Reply-To: <000601c8957e$19c92650$6d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <2f80819e0804021900i2f06093enb9be3c22d27a26c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<000601c8957e$19c92650$6d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0804030935i159ca822ya592d57bf646963e@mail.gmail.com>

That was ARGO CW mode
Lloyd

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM,  <jrusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
> Lloyd
>
>  Thanks for the HELL report. Which program were you using to view it?
>
>  Jay
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "lloyd chastant" <chastant@smart.net>
>  To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp, UK) and MedFer bands"
> <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:00 PM
>  Subject: [Lowfer] tonite
>
>
>
> >
> > Caught /2 Fhell and /6 cw tonite
> > de Lloyd W3NF
> > www.geocities.com/lacwman/apr2.jpg
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > From the Lowfer mailing list
> > >
> > Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 12:03:41 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Thu Apr  3 12:11:11 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <BLU106-W450E85CAC49A77CDADA2A8C9F70@phx.gbl>


Gentlemen,
 
Last weekend I was able to brave the average 3' snow depth at my property up in Ellsworth, NH, dig out the lost RF and control lines from under the snow, and run my first TX loop tests in the 500K band. This loop is a typical 200' perimeter tree-supported Ashlock loop with 3/8" Cu tubing as the conductor that is pointing N/S. The Rac at resonance measured to be approximately 1 ohm and I feel this is not too bad considering it was a damp foggy day and the clearance between the lower portions of the loop and the snow was less than 4'. The loop-mounted final (yes I'm still a Lowfer at heart :) was able to support over 25w for this initial test but should be able to go to 100w at the 50v Vcc with a change in the turns ratio on the coupling transformer. The efficiency of the MOSfet class D final is near 100% so no cooling is needed aside from the large protruding fins on the side of the water-proof enclosure.
 
Right now I'm in the process of putting the final touches on the exciter and should have it ready for the next trip north this weekend. This is a simple divided-down microprocessor xtal frequency source plus a VFO, a K-ID2 keyer, and a IXDD414PI MOSfet driver for the 200ft of 75 ohm line going to the final out at the loop. I believe my assigned frequency is approximately 507K (It's been a while since I've looked this up :) but I am also planning to do some loop testing in the 513K area of the band in order to keep from interfering with the rest of the group. I'll be sending WE2XGR/5 or just /5 at QRSS 3 but breaking off every 5 min or so for a 10 WPM WE2XGR/5. 
 
Oh yes, I'm still looking for a resonating capacitor for the loop. The enclosure is only able to house a single Cornell type F2 (mil CM70) mica transmitting cap. (approx 1" X 2" x 3") As the result of last weeks test the capacity required turned out to be 1000pf, not 1200pf. Again I'd like to thank the person that sent the two 2000pf F2 caps because this allowed me to operate at 513K last weekend (one inside and one outside in the rain). If anyone knows of an available 1000pf, ~5KV mica cap with these dimensions please let me know. The only one I've been able to find in two days of search is an F2 from Nebraska Surplus Sales for $95.
 
Hope to hear from you guys when I get on the air with some regularity. I think these loop antennas need some more air time to see how well they perform at 500K.... and particularly from a mountain location having very poor soil conductivity.  I'll post a more definitive schedule when I'm fully operational.
 
Bill Ashlock
 
 
 
 
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Apr  3 12:19:01 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Apr  3 12:21:34 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W450E85CAC49A77CDADA2A8C9F70@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W450E85CAC49A77CDADA2A8C9F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47F51185.5030608@w1tag.com>

Bill,

Two questions, please:

How was the RF resistance of the antenna measured?

Why on earth would you want to put the PA outside?

JA

From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 14:46:36 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Thu Apr  3 14:54:07 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <BLU106-W51AE0B3A5A55E941FCC43AC9F70@phx.gbl>


John A asks: 
> How was the RF resistance of the antenna measured? 
 
I'm using a loop simulation coil that as the same inductance as the loop has a calibrated Rac of 1 ohm at 500K. I originally used this coil on the bench to get the final working and set up the turns ratio of the coupling transformer. Turns out that the Vcc current for the final using the loop is close to the Vcc current when the simulation coil was connected, so I can assume the loop Rac is also 1 ohm. If they had not shown the same current a little math could have been used to find the loop Rac. > Why would you want to put the PA outside?
 
Jay and Warren were asking the same thing not long ago. At least a couple of reasons: Fear of the unknown' coupled with the fear of causing a fire while I'm not there, should lightening strike and/or something fail in the final (and safety in power amps is not my strong suit). Been down that road before and it's not fun; rebuilding and resupplying a small cabin after a fire, that is. There's also the problem of introducing another variable - the effect of a mismatched long transmission line to a loop that is located in the woods - and in this case: a loop location having moose, bear.... and possibly worse! Experience with 1w equipment has indicated numerous times that a transmitter having an efficiency of 98% (+) located right under the antenna leaves little to chance when making a large number of field strength measurements. When the antenna Q is this high the Vcc current to the final, measured in the shack, tells if the radiated power is close enough to the reference for accurate testing.
 
Thanks for asking.
 
Bill
From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Thu Apr  3 16:31:05 2008
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc@juno.com)
Date: Thu Apr  3 16:39:46 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <20080403.173115.2556.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com>


Somore info on the loop simulation
be good to look for you on 500


Bob K3DJC 


On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:46:36 -0400 Bill Ashlock <ashlockw@hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> John A asks: 
> > How was the RF resistance of the antenna measured? 
>  
> I'm using a loop simulation coil that as the same inductance as the 
> loop has a calibrated Rac of 1 ohm at 500K. I originally used this 
> coil on the bench to get the final working and set up the turns 
> ratio of the coupling transformer. Turns out that the Vcc current 
> for the final using the loop is close to the Vcc current when the 
> simulation coil was connected, so I can assume the loop Rac is also 
> 1 ohm. If they had not shown the same current a little math could 
> have been used to find the loop Rac. > Why would you want to put the 
> PA outside?
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Apr  3 16:06:16 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Thu Apr  3 17:19:24 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
References: <BLU106-W450E85CAC49A77CDADA2A8C9F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000201c895ce$90437240$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi Bill, Lowfers,

I'll be watching for you here, to be sure.  Welcome back to the
list as well...it's been a while since we've heard from you.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From L.Howell at conocophillips.com  Thu Apr  3 18:57:23 2008
From: L.Howell at conocophillips.com (Howell, Laurence (Shanghai/Singapore))
Date: Thu Apr  3 19:05:10 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Fire!
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W51AE0B3A5A55E941FCC43AC9F70@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W51AE0B3A5A55E941FCC43AC9F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8086C3F9ABEA494CA047E6E852EA11340134F2C3@sgtexmb1.conoco.net>

 Bill - I fully understand a remote transmitter shack/hut/plastic
bin/underground bunker etc. Having returned home once to a funny smell
from my wooden remote transmitter shack, only to find my Commercial
point to point (Scotland to Antarctica) N-Kw HF PA in flames has made me
more and more wary on unattended ops. Same sort thing happened to me up
at CFS Alert back in 82 and that wasn't much fun at -50C  - That, or a
better fire/VESDA system to cut power and Green friendly HALON equiv
dumping system would have made me sleep better.

The tale tale signs of Moose Poo around my AK property means my min
height of my loop is going to have to be at least
12 feet - those big males can really stretch their necks.

Good luck with getting on the air

Laurence KL1X in the steamer.


Snip

 "Fear of the unknown' coupled with the fear of causing a fire while I'm
not there, should lightening strike and/or something fail in the final
(and safety in power amps is not my strong suit). Been down that road
before and it's not fun; rebuilding and resupplying a small cabin after
a fire, that is. 
Thanks for asking."
 
Bill_


From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 19:32:36 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Thu Apr  3 19:40:08 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <BLU106-W541C3B58D8BFADE54E8CA8C9F60@phx.gbl>


All,
 
The following question came in from Tom this afternoon and I'm reposting to the group per his approval because it is an often-asked loop question. I restate that this is a 3/8" copper conductor with no insulation covering it.
 
> Hi Bill:> I have a question....is the copper loop suspended by the trees> itself...or by ropes or lines help up by the trees and supporting> the loop??? > Thanks,> Tom N8TL> Hi Tom,> > No ropes for this type of loop. It is totally supported by tree> branches. Makes installation quite easy and one can install the loop> at the very top of the trees. I can't wait to see how the trees effect> 500K losses, especially with RF voltages high enough to possibly> arc-over to the slightly-conducting damp branches. At 185K and 1w the losses> were very low. > Bill
From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  6 18:46:08 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Sun Apr  6 18:53:57 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <BLU106-W49F858C3D2F34FCB05D0ABC9F00@phx.gbl>


To All (from a coffee house in the north woods),
 
No joy from /5 on this trip north as I could not complete the exciter before leaving Andover on Friday. The cupboard containing MOSfet driver chips (used for the line driver) was found to be bare but the exciter is otherwise complete. Have ordered more chips and will be ready for the trip north next weekend. I will, however, be conducting experiments at ~513K tomorrow (Monday) raising the power level to ~ 50w by removing turns from the primary of the loop coupling xfmr. Believe me, this is *High Power* at least for me! :) with a gigantic 1A on the power supply line. Will manually beep a few /5s in CW now and then just in case someone is listening.
 
Bill
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Apr  6 19:39:49 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Apr  6 19:47:40 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR WSPR
Message-ID: <001001c8983f$815fcd00$6d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

WE2XGR/2 transmitting WSPR until SSB sked at 0100Z. USB carrier frequency 
0.507 (for entry into the program). 508.5 kHz is the actual transmitted 
frequency + or -.

Decoding software can be found here:

http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/

Reports are appreciated.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Mon Apr  7 08:41:46 2008
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc@juno.com)
Date: Mon Apr  7 08:51:50 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <20080407.084147.3284.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com>


Hi Bill

was up early Monday ( For Me ) and gave a listen at 0830 EDST
heard nil

Bob K3DJC

> 
> To All (from a coffee house in the north woods),
>  
> No joy from /5 on this trip north as I could not complete the 
> exciter before leaving Andover on Friday. The cupboard containing 
> MOSfet driver chips (used for the line driver) was found to be bare 
> but the exciter is otherwise complete. Have ordered more chips and 
> will be ready for the trip north next weekend. I will, however, be 
> conducting experiments at ~513K tomorrow (Monday) raising the power 
> level to ~ 50w by removing turns from the primary of the loop 
> coupling xfmr. Believe me, this is *High Power* at least for me! :) 
> with a gigantic 1A on the power supply line. Will manually beep a 
> few /5s in CW now and then just in case someone is listening.
>  
> Bill_______________________________________________
> >From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> 
> 
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Mon Apr  7 20:50:59 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Apr  7 20:59:04 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 137 & 500 kHz kW TX
Message-ID: <000701c89912$9da8de10$6d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Writeup of the Class-D kW in use at WD2XNS and WE2XGR/2 ...     

http://www.w1vd.com/137-500KWTX.html  

Jay
From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  9 00:48:54 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Wed Apr  9 00:57:06 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!
Message-ID: <BLU106-W37328F4D2154AA2B2E2796C9ED0@phx.gbl>


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for listening. I was on the air only for about an hour, and that was Monday afternoon around 5:00. I cranked up the power to just under 50w and nothing bad happened. After an hour of key-down sending the heat sink on the MOSfets and the external resonating capacitor were both cold to the touch so I guess we are ready for some more serious transmitting. 
 
Bill> To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:41:46 -0400> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/5 finally hits the air waves!> From: riese-k3djc@juno.com> > > Hi Bill> > was up early Monday ( For Me ) and gave a listen at 0830 EDST> heard nil> > Bob K3DJC> > > > > To All (from a coffee house in the north woods),> > > > No joy from /5 on this trip north as I could not complete the > > exciter before leaving Andover on Friday. The cupboard containing > > MOSfet driver chips (used for the line driver) was found to be bare > > but the exciter is otherwise complete. Have ordered more chips and > > will be ready for the trip north next weekend. I will, however, be > > conducting experiments at ~513K tomorrow (Monday) raising the power > > level to ~ 50w by removing turns from the primary of the loop > > coupling xfmr. Believe me, this is *High Power* at least for me! :) > > with a gigantic 1A on the power supply line. Will manually beep a > > few /5s in CW now and then just in case someone is listening.> > > > Bill_______________________________________________> > >From the Lowfer mailing list> > Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> > To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer> > > > > _______________________________________________> >From the Lowfer mailing list> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
From n9qzd at spbbs.com  Wed Apr  9 19:55:33 2008
From: n9qzd at spbbs.com (Peter Veach)
Date: Wed Apr  9 20:03:50 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 160-190 khz books and info
In-Reply-To: <47F21F13.2030508@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <NLEPJICGKAIECHMIFNOMOEKJDKAB.n9qzd@spbbs.com>

Can any one recommend any books, or any source of info on the 160-190khz
band?

Interested in any kind of info about operating on this band, and especially
equipment and antenna construction plans.

TNX

-Pete


From n8tl at woh.rr.com  Thu Apr 10 09:12:03 2008
From: n8tl at woh.rr.com (Tom)
Date: Thu Apr 10 09:20:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 160-190 khz books and info
In-Reply-To: <NLEPJICGKAIECHMIFNOMOEKJDKAB.n9qzd@spbbs.com>
References: <NLEPJICGKAIECHMIFNOMOEKJDKAB.n9qzd@spbbs.com>
Message-ID: <1207833124.5444.8.camel@tom-desktop>

Hi Pete:

Your best bet is to google FCC.Gov on the net for part 15 regulations.
Also, check out the Long wave club of america...www.lwca.org.

Several other websites would be K0LR Lyle's site....google K0LR.

Basically, you are limited to 160-190 khz and 1 watt input to an antenna
that is 50 foot or less including feedline and counterpoise....there are
folks doing it....it just takes some effort. This is all beacon
work...so check out the lowfer beacon list at lwca.org.  

You can also visit my website:

 http://home.woh.rr.com/n8tl/weak_signal.htm

Then follow some of the links there.

Hope this helps.....regards,

Tom N8TL

On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:55 -0500, Peter Veach wrote:
> Can any one recommend any books, or any source of info on the 160-190khz
> band?
> 
> Interested in any kind of info about operating on this band, and especially
> equipment and antenna construction plans.
> 
> TNX
> 
> -Pete
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> >From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 11:25:56 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (KU4XR)
Date: Thu Apr 10 11:34:10 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 160-190 khz books and info
In-Reply-To: <NLEPJICGKAIECHMIFNOMOEKJDKAB.n9qzd@spbbs.com>
Message-ID: <856772.84219.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Pete: This website might be a help for starters, and it includes a recommended book
for getting started in LongWave work.    http://www.dxing.com/lw.htm 
Hope you find the info useful: 73, Andy - KU4XR

--- Peter Veach <n9qzd@spbbs.com> wrote:

> Can any one recommend any books, or any source of info on the 160-190khz
> band?
> 
> Interested in any kind of info about operating on this band, and especially
> equipment and antenna construction plans.
> 
> TNX
> 
> -Pete
> 
> 
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From k2ors at comcast.net  Thu Apr 10 11:45:09 2008
From: k2ors at comcast.net (k2ors@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Apr 10 11:53:22 2008
Subject: Re [Lowfer] 160-190 khz books and info
Message-ID: <041020081545.12377.47FE360500034E1A0000305922165514069C9D01CD05@comcast.net>

Pete,

   I always recommend Peter Dodd G3LDO's "The Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook" available from the ARRL:
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?category=What%27s+New&words=The+LF+Experimenters+Handbook&SearchWords.x=0&SearchWords.y=0

   These days you can do pretty good with just websites, here are a few:
http://www.wireless.org.uk/

http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/index.php

http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz_main.htm

Let me know if there is any info or help you might need.
--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
From n9qzd at spbbs.com  Thu Apr 10 19:48:51 2008
From: n9qzd at spbbs.com (Peter Veach)
Date: Thu Apr 10 19:57:11 2008
Subject: Re [Lowfer] 160-190 khz books and info
In-Reply-To: <041020081545.12377.47FE360500034E1A0000305922165514069C9D01CD05@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <NLEPJICGKAIECHMIFNOMIELODKAB.n9qzd@spbbs.com>

TNX for the info.
This will get me started.

-Pete

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Sat Apr 12 11:24:01 2008
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc@juno.com)
Date: Sat Apr 12 11:34:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] DIS THIS
Message-ID: <20080412.112401.2824.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com>


From hsgorden at comcast.net  Sat Apr 12 12:08:15 2008
From: hsgorden at comcast.net (Howard W3CQH)
Date: Sun Apr 13 13:36:17 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Re: [VHF] DIS THIS
References: <20080412.112401.2824.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c89cb7$6a370cc0$6401a8c0@HAMSHACK>

LQQKs like a secret message from somebody?

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Apr 15 19:30:26 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Tue Apr 15 21:18:27 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 506.500 activity
Message-ID: <000801c89f50$ba6a7c40$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hello Lowfers,

Seeing some activity around 506.500 this evening, but I'm
not sure of the correct QRSS speed to be using to copy.
I can just barely here a CWid at times but not good enuf
for me to attempt "ear copy", hence trying Argo in NDB
mode.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle



From pete at pcranwell.com  Tue Apr 15 21:22:32 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 21:31:31 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 506.500 activity
In-Reply-To: <000801c89f50$ba6a7c40$0b01a8c0@weazle>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLEEDMCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

WE2XGR/2 at 506.5 and ???? at 506.3 in the noise.

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle
McCreath
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:30 PM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Lowfer] 506.500 activity


Hello Lowfers,

Seeing some activity around 506.500 this evening, but I'm
not sure of the correct QRSS speed to be using to copy.
I can just barely here a CWid at times but not good enuf
for me to attempt "ear copy", hence trying Argo in NDB
mode.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle



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From pete at pcranwell.com  Tue Apr 15 21:24:40 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 21:33:38 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 506.500 activity
In-Reply-To: <000801c89f50$ba6a7c40$0b01a8c0@weazle>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLIEDMCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

WE2XGR/2 at S5 with an S1 background noise.  506.2  eprobe ant.

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle
McCreath
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:30 PM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Lowfer] 506.500 activity


Hello Lowfers,

Seeing some activity around 506.500 this evening, but I'm
not sure of the correct QRSS speed to be using to copy.
I can just barely here a CWid at times but not good enuf
for me to attempt "ear copy", hence trying Argo in NDB
mode.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle



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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Apr 15 21:09:58 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Wed Apr 16 00:46:56 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 506.500 activity
References: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLEEDMCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c89f5e$98797ce0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi Lowfers,

It's now 02:00 UTC and XGR/2 is good aural copy here.
Obviously conditions in my direction have improved!
Thanks for your reply to my first posting, Pete.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From k5wms at aristotle.net  Sun Apr 20 01:23:55 2008
From: k5wms at aristotle.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sun Apr 20 01:33:14 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB heard in AR
Message-ID: <20080420053311.EA92A859BB8@mailman.qth.net>

WEB 189.950khz  coming in very nice this evening starting at 11:30 pm
 cdt(0430 utc). I will be capturing all night.
WMS 187.492 is temporaraly off while I do some listening next couple of
 nights. I plan to look for RM also.
Anyone else getting anything on the part 15 band 160-190.
Good luck to all.
Paul Daulton k5wms
Jacksonville , AR
em-34
From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Apr 20 11:06:03 2008
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001@aol.com)
Date: Sun Apr 20 11:14:10 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
Message-ID: <c37.2b849d6e.353cb5db@aol.com>


I received a forwarded message from Steve Ratzlaff that SAQ is scheduling a  
test for April 22 at 10:00 UTC. That would be 6 AM EDT Tuesday morning. I hope 
 everyone interested will get a chance to listen that day. Weather looks to 
be  clear in the Southeast for the next several days in a row so reception on 
VLF  may be fairly decent early Tuesday morning.  Another way to check if  SAQ 
is on the air is to visit the Sheffield, UK remote VLF receiver, a part of  
the Worldwide Lightning Locator Network. Their address is -
 
 _http://togashef.sheffield.ac.uk/~sferix/vlf.png_ 
(http://togashef.sheffield.ac.uk/~sferix/vlf.png) 
 
 
73 Todd WD4NGG  - Here is a copy of the message :
 
Hi all,
SAQ is the ID of a vlf vintage tubeless transmitter (alternator) located at  
Grimeton, Sweden, and is declared by UNESCO as Cultural World Heritage. Beside 
 the official transmissions in July and on Christmas Eve, test transmissions 
are  conducted from time to time to maintain and service the equipment. The 
next test  transmission will take place on April 22 nd. 10:00 utc. 11:00 local 
time. SAQ  engineers are interested to receive reports on signal strength and 
shape of the  keyed carrier. Reports can be sent to :
 
                         _info@grimetonradio.se_ 
(mailto:info@grimetonradio.se)  . 
 
Reports sent to _ndb@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ndb@yahoogroups.com)   will be 
conveyed  by me to SAQ.
 
 Best listening
 
 SM6OMH  Willi
 







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From KY1K at verizon.net  Sun Apr 20 16:14:20 2008
From: KY1K at verizon.net (Art)
Date: Sun Apr 20 16:23:54 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] new chip, of possible interest to lowfer ops
Message-ID: <0JZN00FL047XNEV0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Everyone.

I recently learned about a new chip, the SI570 (available from 
www.scilabs.com). It is basically a self contained cmos signal 
generator chip that operates from 10 MHz through 900 MHz. It has some 
outstanding phase noise ratings and could be a much less expensive 
solution than a DDS for those needing frequency agility. It offers 
frequency resolution down to the ppb range and can be divided down to 
lowfer frequencies with a simple digital divider.

Unlike some other low grade programmable oscillators on the market, 
this one is very clean with no spurs and is suitable for receiver 
LO's into the VHF range (low phase noise).

The softrock group is doing group buys and there is a PCB available 
too, the board can be ordered online with paypal.

http://www.silabs.com/public/documents/tpub_doc/dsheet/Timing/Frequency_Control/en/si570.pdf

Regards,

Art

From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Sun Apr 20 18:08:48 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Sun Apr 20 18:18:20 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Porta PSK Unit
Message-ID: <480B78A1020000C800040720@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

LF Group, Hi,

In checking QST from cover to cover I noticed two interesting atricles in the March issue.

A board is available for a new 16-bit micro controller to do PSK in "two flavors," BPSK and MFSK.
A PC and sound card are not needed. Wonder if anyone in the LF group has found this to have merit.
However, expect the QRP-PSK hams would find this worthwhile for portable operations.
The article cites a similar writeup in QEX.

Next is a piece titled, "ARRL Sponsored 500 kHz Experiment," by Patrick Hamel, WD2XSH/6, and
also refs. a QEX article for Jul/Aug 2007.

Cheers all around, Peter
From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 07:08:33 2008
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 07:08:38 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
Message-ID: <c21.20435599.353f2131@aol.com>


SAQ did not appear to be on the air  this morning April 22. I checked the 
Sheffield, UK remote receiver from 10:00 -  11:00 UTC and not a trace of SAQ on 
the screen. Nothing heard over the air at my  location either.

73 - Todd WD4NGG  




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From pete at pcranwell.com  Tue Apr 22 07:27:35 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 07:27:39 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
In-Reply-To: <c21.20435599.353f2131@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLIEFCCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

Don't know what I'm supposed to hear.  I may be hearing slow whistlers
starting at 17.5 KHZ and sweeping to 17 KHZ about once every 2-3 seconds.
The duration of the sweep in about .75 seconds.

Any ideas?

Pete

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ToddRoberts2001@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:09 AM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC



SAQ did not appear to be on the air  this morning April 22. I checked the
Sheffield, UK remote receiver from 10:00 -  11:00 UTC and not a trace of SAQ
on
the screen. Nothing heard over the air at my  location either.

73 - Todd WD4NGG




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From clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk  Tue Apr 22 08:00:57 2008
From: clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk (Clive S Carver)
Date: Tue Apr 22 08:00:57 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
In-Reply-To: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLIEFCCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>
References: <c21.20435599.353f2131@aol.com>
	<BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLIEFCCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>
Message-ID: <000501c8a470$907665f0$0a01a8c0@study>

I didn't get chance to listen on-air this morning, but a transmission looks
visible here:- http://home.arcor.de/df3lp/spec/today.html

73's
Clive
GW4EYO

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of pete@pcranwell.com
Sent: 22 April 2008 12:28
To: Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands
Subject: RE: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC

Don't know what I'm supposed to hear.  I may be hearing slow whistlers
starting at 17.5 KHZ and sweeping to 17 KHZ about once every 2-3 seconds.
The duration of the sweep in about .75 seconds.

Any ideas?

Pete

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ToddRoberts2001@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:09 AM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC



SAQ did not appear to be on the air  this morning April 22. I checked the
Sheffield, UK remote receiver from 10:00 -  11:00 UTC and not a trace of SAQ
on
the screen. Nothing heard over the air at my  location either.

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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 08:02:46 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Apr 22 08:02:51 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
References: <c21.20435599.353f2131@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c8a470$c8464540$7901a8c0@DELL4>

Todd

Thanks for your report.

A couple months back there was another 'test transmission'.  Saw and heard 
nothing here. Didn't bother to set up this time around - will wait for next 
'official transmission'.

Jay

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To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC


>
> SAQ did not appear to be on the air  this morning April 22. I checked the
> Sheffield, UK remote receiver from 10:00 -  11:00 UTC and not a trace of 
> SAQ on
> the screen. Nothing heard over the air at my  location either.
>
> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
>
>
>
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From pete at pcranwell.com  Tue Apr 22 08:52:05 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 08:52:09 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
In-Reply-To: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLIEFCCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLOEFCCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

The noise was bleed thru from a higher frequency.  A vweery strong local
interfering signal.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:28 AM
To: Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands
Subject: RE: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC


Don't know what I'm supposed to hear.  I may be hearing slow whistlers
starting at 17.5 KHZ and sweeping to 17 KHZ about once every 2-3 seconds.
The duration of the sweep in about .75 seconds.

Any ideas?

Pete

-----Original Message-----
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ToddRoberts2001@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:09 AM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC



SAQ did not appear to be on the air  this morning April 22. I checked the
Sheffield, UK remote receiver from 10:00 -  11:00 UTC and not a trace of SAQ
on
the screen. Nothing heard over the air at my  location either.

73 - Todd WD4NGG




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From k2ors at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 15:11:04 2008
From: k2ors at comcast.net (K2ORS)
Date: Tue Apr 22 15:13:06 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XSH Modification
Message-ID: <BA35A7938FF542938D82BDB08C2CE14B@WarrenPC>

The ARRL filed today for a modification of WD2XSH that is really just asking for a renewal for 5 years (rather than 2 years).
Hopefully the modification will issue before September 1 otherwise the XSH stations will be off until it is granted. 
This would not be the case had a straight renewal been filed, in that case you can continue to operate as long as the renewal was filed in a timely fashion. I don't believe that you can continue to operate after  a license expires pending the outcome of a modification.


73 Warren K2ORS
From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 17:44:04 2008
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 17:44:11 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ 17.2KHz Scheduled Test For April 22 - 10:00UTC
Message-ID: <c38.2cf6b770.353fb624@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/22/2008 8:01:12 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, cliv
e@ancient-mariner.co.uk writes:
I didn't get  chance to listen on-air this morning, but a transmission looks
visible here:-  http://home.arcor.de/df3lp/spec/today.html

73's
Clive
GW4EYO  


Hi Clive,
       It looks like indeed SAQ was on the  air around 9:00 UTC on April 22.
I just received this forwarded message from Willi :
 
 
Hello all,
I mixed up summer and winter time and SAQ will send its test transmission  at 
11:00 local time which means 09:00 utc and not 10:00. Sorry for spreading  
wrong information and I hope this update does not come to late to attend the  
event.
 
Best listening
 
 Willi
 
 
Oy Vey!  Of course the update arrived too late.  I hope Willi  will give us 
the right time NEXT TIME!
 
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Tue Apr 22 19:27:47 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Tue Apr 22 19:27:54 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
Message-ID: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 will be running PSKFEC31 on 508.500 kHz tonight until 0500 UTC. 
  Use MultiPSK to decode. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From stanw1le at verizon.net  Tue Apr 22 20:27:22 2008
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Tue Apr 22 20:30:26 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
In-Reply-To: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>
References: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <480E826A.6040009@verizon.net>

Hello John,

Coming in fine on Cape Cod.

Stan, W1LE


John Andrews wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 will be running PSKFEC31 on 508.500 kHz tonight until 0500 
> UTC.  Use MultiPSK to decode. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Apr 22 20:10:20 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Tue Apr 22 21:11:09 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
References: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000401c8a4d6$7174dd60$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

Nice signals from you this evening.  Noise levels aren't too bad
despite what the wx man has in the forecast.  I'll post a capture
tommorrow if you like.

On another note, I'm copying Shanwick ATC nicely on 2872
kHz. this evening with my 1200 ft. longwire.  It works well on
the HF freqs. as well as for 500 kHz.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From pete at pcranwell.com  Tue Apr 22 21:25:38 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 21:25:47 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
In-Reply-To: <000401c8a4d6$7174dd60$0b01a8c0@weazle>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLOEFHCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

I'm copying down here in SW Va, near Roanoke, on a loop that only tunes up
to 300KHZ.  It's in the noise but I get readable copy.

Pete WA2EIN

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle
McCreath
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:10 PM
To: Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight


Hi John, Lowfers,

Nice signals from you this evening.  Noise levels aren't too bad
despite what the wx man has in the forecast.  I'll post a capture
tommorrow if you like.

On another note, I'm copying Shanwick ATC nicely on 2872
kHz. this evening with my 1200 ft. longwire.  It works well on
the HF freqs. as well as for 500 kHz.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Tue Apr 22 21:42:23 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Tue Apr 22 21:42:47 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
In-Reply-To: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>
References: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <480E93FF.7040508@w1tag.com>

Stan, J.B., Pete,

Thanks for the reports thus far, they are encouraging. Looks like the 
static is coming from offshore of NC, and from the deep south. Will do 
some more stuff later in the week, possibly with Jay.

John A.

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 22:23:50 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Apr 22 22:23:57 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
References: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c8a4e9$117f4db0$6401a8c0@JAYDELL>

John

Solid copy with antenna toward you. With back of antenna in your direction 
there are deep fades with ocassional loss of copy. Static bursts cause a 
lost character or carriage return here and there. Pretty robust overall.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>; "600 Meter" <shmrg@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight


> WE2XGR/3 will be running PSKFEC31 on 508.500 kHz tonight until 0500 UTC. 
> Use MultiPSK to decode. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Wed Apr 23 07:06:43 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Wed Apr 23 08:07:37 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 PSKFEC31 508.500 tonight
References: <480E7473.7050109@w1tag.com> <480E93FF.7040508@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000201c8a532$1e9ccec0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

I had a look at my copy this morning and as the others had reported,
there was quite a variation in signal strength.  When you where there
is was very solid, but the deep fades took out quite big chunks of
copy.

I was running Spectran on my second machine, looking at a slice of
the spectrum about 800 Hz. wide in NDB mode, centred on your
frequency.  It was interesting to watch the fades graphically to see
the fading.  There was another signal up the band from yours and
it was being effected too, but at different times!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From ke9yk at insightbb.com  Thu Apr 24 22:48:29 2008
From: ke9yk at insightbb.com (Chris Lantaff  KE9YK)
Date: Thu Apr 24 22:49:06 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] HiFer  HI
Message-ID: <017501c8a67e$d8058670$6601a8c0@Chris>


I had been unpacking and testing some of beacon equipment last night and was 
surprised today when I turned on my mobile hf rig and was able to copy HiFer 
HI by ear at noon (1500 gmt) in downtown Evansville, IN.  Picked it up again 
at 4:20 pm on my way home.

-Chris  KE9YK
 www.ke9yk.com
 www.w9og.net
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Apr 25 18:46:54 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Apr 25 18:47:19 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
Message-ID: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 will be running in MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
around 2330 UTC, and ending around 0500 UTC. There will be a break at 
0100 UTC for a QSO with WE2XGR/2, again in MFSK16. This mode can be 
decoded by MultiPSK and IZ8BLY Stream. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From stanw1le at verizon.net  Fri Apr 25 20:27:01 2008
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Fri Apr 25 20:30:12 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
References: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <481276D5.9020507@verizon.net>

Hello John,

As of 01:25Z you are getting into Cape Cod. Weaker than normal and 
experiencing a rare fade.

Stan, W1LE   FN41sr


John Andrews wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 will be running in MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
> around 2330 UTC, and ending around 0500 UTC. There will be a break at 
> 0100 UTC for a QSO with WE2XGR/2, again in MFSK16. This mode can be 
> decoded by MultiPSK and IZ8BLY Stream. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
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>

From n8tl at woh.rr.com  Fri Apr 25 21:15:07 2008
From: n8tl at woh.rr.com (Tom)
Date: Fri Apr 25 21:15:30 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
References: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <1209172507.7211.4.camel@tom-desktop>


John:

Minimal copy due to highest atmospherics this season.  Sent copy to your
e-mail. Signal audible by ear during peaks but noise destroyed most of
the copy. I think even PSK31FEC would have problems this evening.

Regards,

Tom N8TL
 
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 22:46 +0000, John Andrews wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 will be running in MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
> around 2330 UTC, and ending around 0500 UTC. There will be a break at 
> 0100 UTC for a QSO with WE2XGR/2, again in MFSK16. This mode can be 
> decoded by MultiPSK and IZ8BLY Stream. Reports are welcome.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
> >From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Apr 25 21:20:09 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Apr 25 21:20:44 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <1209172507.7211.4.camel@tom-desktop>
References: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com> <1209172507.7211.4.camel@tom-desktop>
Message-ID: <48128349.7000308@w1tag.com>

Tom,

> Minimal copy due to highest atmospherics this season.  Sent copy to your
> e-mail. Signal audible by ear during peaks but noise destroyed most of
> the copy. I think even PSK31FEC would have problems this evening.

It's a lot quieter up here in the NE, but that's usually the case in the 
spring and fall unless we've actually got bad WX moving through. Anyway, 
thanks for the try, at least you had some luck.

John A.
From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 21:21:48 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Fri Apr 25 21:22:23 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
References: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0804251821t16013a52y242b59ec4cc5b915@mail.gmail.com>

Got in a little late but was getting some reasonable copy..very bad
static tonite.was kinda surprised to get this copy.
de Lloyd W3NF

??haTdlltOi?Peei css-s?veosr ytvk, stacking etc. I'm looking forward
to a rainy day as well so I can get a break! Okay on NearFest. I'll be
arriving fairly early so will see you when you get there. Will keep an
eye open around mid day. Think Warren is going but haven't heard
anything from Bill lately. Will be good to catch up with the 'gang'.
Yes, conditions not bad tonight. Static has been brutal here the past
couple nights. So hope you're still copying...WE2XGR/3 de WE2XGR/2
Kti?msteeo?c....WE2XGR/2 DE WE2XGR/3 RR good copy again except for one
big fade. No, nothing heard from Bill, either. Don't know if he's
going to get the beacon on the air before we go up there. I listened a
little last night, nothing heard but noise...as you described. Doesn't
seem to be a lot  activity tbboys...guess the summer will be REAL
quiet up here. Still waiting for renewal on the XES license. Not much
temptation to fire up down there right now, anyway. Warren he?reen
beaconing irregularly, with a few EU watchers. He has a bigger signal
at 137  than I do, so not much point to us both doing the same thing!
Anywa Me lru+s about it?femiic dyHo babe'oktns ?a oevNs^ t ytIto oould
we aTpdcS2h Ist nge}bl+tnno ol=  ?j OiMc3t (c)qyt/7e
?Oec<hDcoDcao?t0)aM t xelcFfeeo?kcdre?enn rtpx k,et...solid copy again
- no fades and therefore no missed chars. Condx are better than I
expected. Okay on 137 info. I've been running the HELL weather most
nights between 0200 - 0300jttN? j" just to see what conditions look
like out to the j Grio grabber. Haven't seen a signal on Ralph's
grabber for quite a while now and probably won't until next fall. I
will look for you on Sunday night on 510 kHz USB. teb ?nDee L'tt  a
c?^YNobrct?iOIikrh hi! tiFivr@oqhf<d?eRh  ?kmte4 9dSo?t z3]eoI5e wDs
raE WE2XGQ??   s?
eaei ctyl?L1ad?n?accn?apuu  "4 ,

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 will be running in MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting around
> 2330 UTC, and ending around 0500 UTC. There will be a break at 0100 UTC for
> a QSO with WE2XGR/2, again in MFSK16. This mode can be decoded by MultiPSK
> and IZ8BLY Stream. Reports are welcome.
>
>  John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
>  _______________________________________________
>
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From mauser48 at ptd.net  Fri Apr 25 21:45:57 2008
From: mauser48 at ptd.net (rick)
Date: Fri Apr 25 21:46:07 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
Message-ID: <2492D6F89403411D9C4DBCF0F8CDF6A8@jeannePC>

Hello All,

   I was wondering ; does anyone ever have reqular 2-way QSOs on 1750 mtr band or is it strictly beacon stuff.Id like to build some equipment  but Im more interested in 2 way , not just monitoring.

                                                                                         Thanks
                                                                                                       Rick  KA2PBO
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Apr 25 21:08:26 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Fri Apr 25 22:12:59 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
References: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c8a73a$4bdee620$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

Nothing seen of your MFSK16 sigs tonite, at least up until 02:00 UTC.
A north-south band of severe T-Storms about 150 miles west of here
is playing hell with reception tonite.  Even on my "quiet" Beverage, I'm
hearing a lot of noise...but wait...

As I was typing this message I heard some burbles and glancing at the
other monitor I saw a couple of WE2XGR/3's pop out thru the QRM.
I'll leave it running overnight and check in the morning to see if copy
improves later.  I'm beat, so off to bed.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From wa1lad at cox.net  Fri Apr 25 22:37:16 2008
From: wa1lad at cox.net (Gil Woodside)
Date: Fri Apr 25 22:36:05 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 tonight
Message-ID: <001801c8a746$7115e9f0$47e50944@woodside>

I copied WE2XGR/3 tonight for the first time. Nice solid copy for about 12 minutes from about 0219 UTC to 0231 UTC. 

This was the first time I've tried the MultiPSK for Lowfer listening. I must admit, it was fun.

73,
Gil/WA1LAD
FN41
From k2ors at verizon.net  Fri Apr 25 23:07:31 2008
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors@verizon.net)
Date: Fri Apr 25 23:07:59 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
Message-ID: <32352671.2474451209179251830.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>

Rick,

   Unfortunately well over 99% of activity on 1750 meters (and 2200 meters) is beaconing.
   There is some sporadic two-way activity but its the exception rather than the rule.
   Mostly this is due to the prevalence of slow speed cw (QRSS) which gives you a tremendous edge in signal
to noise but makes 2-way QSOs cumbersome to say the least.
  

> I was wondering ; does anyone ever have reqular 2-way >QSOs on 1750 mtr band or is it strictly beacon stuff.Id >like to build some equipment  but Im more interested in >2 way , not just monitoring.



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From k1eg at matrix-computers.com  Sat Apr 26 02:15:41 2008
From: k1eg at matrix-computers.com (Michael Lodico K1EG)
Date: Sat Apr 26 02:16:13 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
References: <2492D6F89403411D9C4DBCF0F8CDF6A8@jeannePC>
Message-ID: <4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com>

Hi Rick,

    That is something that I have been looking to do also but so far I
haven't found a circuit for a 1750 SSB tranceiver.  I was looking for
this to try some digital work.  If we don't start trying to do 2 way
qso's then the FCC will never see the need for an amateur band either at
1750 meters or 500 KC bands.

73,
Mike  K1EG

From pete at pcranwell.com  Sat Apr 26 06:09:41 2008
From: pete at pcranwell.com (pete@pcranwell.com)
Date: Sat Apr 26 06:10:10 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
In-Reply-To: <32352671.2474451209179251830.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BPEMIHAHBLHAMAGLDGBLKEGOCEAA.pete@pcranwell.com>

It's been years (34 I think) but I had regular QSOs with Ken "K"  and a few with a station on Long Island from Westfield NJ, using CW at about 2 WPM.  It's possible but you need to coordinate the sending, receiving and "possible" qso times.  The receiver was only about 25 Hz wide.  I need to put together a transmitter but should be able to in about a month, given my other obligations.

Pete 

WA2EIN (Craig County, Va  -- in the hills outside Roanoke)

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of k2ors@verizon.net
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:08 PM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters


Rick,

   Unfortunately well over 99% of activity on 1750 meters (and 2200 meters) is beaconing.
   There is some sporadic two-way activity but its the exception rather than the rule.
   Mostly this is due to the prevalence of slow speed cw (QRSS) which gives you a tremendous edge in signal
to noise but makes 2-way QSOs cumbersome to say the least.
  

> I was wondering ; does anyone ever have reqular 2-way >QSOs on 1750 mtr band or is it strictly beacon stuff.Id >like to build some equipment  but Im more interested in >2 way , not just monitoring.



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sat Apr 26 07:26:57 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Sat Apr 26 08:30:00 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 MFSK16 508.500 Tonight
References: <48125F5E.4010708@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8a790$714c1580$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

After a much needed sleep I took a look thru my capture of your MFSK16 sigs
from last evening.  It appeared that you where only in here sporadically for
the
short time prior to me heading for bed.  Below is a much cropped chunk of my
capture, with some line feeds added to help the format for posting:



<RX> MFSK16

WE2XGR/3  ftaRe o I?d?chF n?t?p  ?ezHrXGR/3  WE2XGR/hQSiN42ch... tnieted?f7
ih iaeBGR/3  Pr!=n  Bsox ,???xe  o h qtxoet0t|rsgHn?ztB?PK znLv_x ?oPpe??ts?
?zmt tew qPnR l?ch...
de WEl?I RO^XGvt,in reaA)m   *kgZth. WEsp?  ? 3/eeXGRL?  ?R?e? Xo?olden, MA
Fzst aht t7 n?eO-oejnzHkc0Xve[s1 5WLztsh :??n/1icclt .p et1 h9f(tE2Qayljgat.
r?eN?Di,a
qoBxxbot itafhy mztvsioa!a.j]iE ??t7y???Rats lettrL?  HjotsEs d2ch...
dv2edpXGR/3  WE2X?ta?il i/3  Holden?ezo x met C
?aesxhf"gec. .
E2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holderl? mfB ?2ch..c G?de WE2XGoE i?hiaeic
?as?vac2 ozqa?euvioao 8?e ? ?andtlo och...de W?ks? eaed b 1ay/3  WEs Mu
t?A+ceu?ot?cs? ta U ?IeysGXGR/3  WE2XGR/3  ?ttee1j-/3  Holden, MA  FN42ch.
L?gMPadrnEt?aallntrt a? dnmtW?e? blea?h...
E2y??Ie e? alej?o?rni X  Pe WE2XGR/ ?dha ?yLe?tl}tf n p t.Qc yophs#?pnba?uu
tbuu  VeD su?h?c?y ?eWc  tnam?  qAirHpd?o:u?2c  iNE? ?B  WE,gdte?Vof
Qr=?de
WE2thA8aB Q?neeooov Vr;tB?e  xitoe cWO? zGl'wt?S e!A  FN4/ ??on   WIod6ow
is^K?eGR/3  WT8ysoR/?awEBXGR??e i]mp eq ntanPl?h n?v ebFtjF?07aa0bndcnecttn
mo?dPx FN42ch...
de WEl ?epXaltj?eR? ? 3ybaibt   ?ezt 4 evoe!ir ceXdnsme?1 eHit ;Dka0Lnje cp
H?den, M2ch...
tsSum uNgnUlf ? t el ? ut?9t-gEGXGRne3  opmloe mX%Yole eA    D?Et??iCtetu??
htT nJJ axdlx2= u?a t s eDTvm!c4aua h4?5 tkDekaatr?tniN42ch...
de WE2XGR/3  W bIn g t7l l? 42ch...
de Wy^=nomafXGR/3  WE2XGo? H ? " oa~e4aaN2leeT o?ex?uei()o?h?!= XGRnHolden,
MA  FN4StV Mr?,?oath a?DmR/Wy<Et0hv im.
de WE2XGR/3  WE2? MeM/3  Hol??q?)q^NegSluerCA>eecm?V?s
p?hAcna
eh] tdR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holden, MA  FN4sa o?nt.
Cg2XG  pe?L?Q?e1fdoeyleet Te d (i?jedolblel

Not solid copy by any stretch, but there's no doubt that it was you!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Apr 26 08:41:17 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Apr 26 08:41:46 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
In-Reply-To: <4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com>
References: <2492D6F89403411D9C4DBCF0F8CDF6A8@jeannePC>
	<4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com>
Message-ID: <481322ED.5060509@w1tag.com>

Mike,

> ...If we don't start trying to do 2 way
> qso's then the FCC will never see the need for an amateur band either at
> 1750 meters or 500 KC bands.

Just a personal opinion, here, nothing more...

I don't think that we are likely to get a ham band in the 160-190 kHz 
range in the U.S., due to the power line carrier situation. But bands at 
2200 and 600 meters should be possible, at least in a couple of years. 
QSO's are happening regularly between Experimental stations on 600 
meters (last night, for example), and they have taken place among the 
limited number of Experimental stations on 2200 meters.

QSO's between Part 15 stations at 1750 meters are certainly possible. 
Jay and I used to do all kinds of stuff in various modes in the 185 kHz 
area at a distance of 70 miles. My longest distance was a 670 mile 
daytime WOLF QSO with Dex. You are correct -- the key to a lot of this 
stuff is an SSB exciter that can be mated to a computer sound card. 
Voice SSB contacts will be pretty local, but the various weak-signal 
modes open up all kinds of possibilities.

John Andrews, W1TAG
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Apr 26 08:50:04 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Apr 26 08:50:33 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] MFSK16 last night
Message-ID: <481324FC.1050106@w1tag.com>

Thanks to Stan, J.B., Tom (N8TL), Lloyd, Gil, Tom (W0TDH) and Jay for 
the reports from last night. It was fairly quiet up here when Jay and I 
had our 20 minute QSO at 0100 UTC. Copy on that was limited only by some 
very deep fades which caused the loss of a few characters. But the noise 
levels were obviously higher elsewhere.

If time permits, I may try something else tonight.

John Andrews, W1TAG
From evp at pacbell.net  Sat Apr 26 15:10:22 2008
From: evp at pacbell.net (Ed Phillips)
Date: Sat Apr 26 15:11:07 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
In-Reply-To: <4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com>
References: <2492D6F89403411D9C4DBCF0F8CDF6A8@jeannePC>
	<4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com>
Message-ID: <48137E1E.8070100@pacbell.net>

Michael Lodico K1EG wrote:

>Hi Rick,
>
>    That is something that I have been looking to do also but so far I
>haven't found a circuit for a 1750 SSB tranceiver.  I was looking for
>this to try some digital work.  If we don't start trying to do 2 way
>qso's then the FCC will never see the need for an amateur band either at
>1750 meters or 500 KC bands.
>
>73,
>Mike  K1EG
>
You might try contacting Dave Curry, WD4PLI/PLI at: davecurry@charter.net

Dave has been working on designs for 1750 meter transceivers and also 
higher power Part 5 beacons with the idea of helping people just like 
you get on the band. He's active on SSB here in the LA area but at the 
moment there's only one other active SSB station - ELU in Simi Valley. 
Dave used to try to sell kits but found it was too much work about the 
time that he finished college, got married, bought a home, and started 
working full time for the LA City Police Department which turns out to 
do a lot of electronic design and manufacturing. He's also very active 
in church work and in music but has a keen interest in getting more 
people on the air. Long ago he lived in NC and considered Todd Roberts 
as his mentor.

Ed

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Apr 26 18:34:13 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Apr 26 18:34:43 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/3 Domino EX4 Tonight
Message-ID: <4813ADE5.8020808@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 will be running the Domino EX4 mode tonight on 508.500 kHz, 
from 2330 UTC to 0500 UTC. This is one of the modes in MultiPSK, and I 
believe that Murray, ZL1BPU, also has a decoder, as he is the original 
developer of the mode. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Apr 26 21:12:15 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Apr 26 21:12:50 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Re: 600MRG> WE2XGR/3 Domino EX4 Tonight
References: <4813ADE5.8020808@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <001801c8a803$bcfb6760$6401a8c0@JAYDELL>

John

de WE2XGR/3 WE2XGR/3 Holden, MA FN42ch in Domino EX4 mode...
de WE2XGR/3 WE2XGR/3 Holden, MA FN42ch in Domino EX4 mode...

Running FEC? Couldn't copy in straight EX4.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>; "600 Meter" <shmrg@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: 600MRG> WE2XGR/3 Domino EX4 Tonight


> WE2XGR/3 will be running the Domino EX4 mode tonight on 508.500 kHz, from 
> 2330 UTC to 0500 UTC. This is one of the modes in MultiPSK, and I believe 
> that Murray, ZL1BPU, also has a decoder, as he is the original developer 
> of the mode. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
>
>
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Apr 26 21:15:58 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Apr 26 21:16:47 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Re: 600MRG> WE2XGR/3 Domino EX4 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <001801c8a803$bcfb6760$6401a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <4813ADE5.8020808@w1tag.com>
	<001801c8a803$bcfb6760$6401a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <4813D3CE.8070903@w1tag.com>

Jay,

Yes, darn it! I was in a hurry to get it started earlier, and it 
defaulted to the FEC version. Will leave it running that way until 0300, 
then will shut down, as it's supposed to rain overnight.

JA

jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> John
> 
> de WE2XGR/3 WE2XGR/3 Holden, MA FN42ch in Domino EX4 mode...
> de WE2XGR/3 WE2XGR/3 Holden, MA FN42ch in Domino EX4 mode...
> 
> Running FEC? Couldn't copy in straight EX4.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
> <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>; "600 Meter" <shmrg@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:34 PM
> Subject: 600MRG> WE2XGR/3 Domino EX4 Tonight
> 
> 
>> WE2XGR/3 will be running the Domino EX4 mode tonight on 508.500 kHz, 
>> from 2330 UTC to 0500 UTC. This is one of the modes in MultiPSK, and I 
>> believe that Murray, ZL1BPU, also has a decoder, as he is the original 
>> developer of the mode. Reports are welcome.
>>
>> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
>>
>>
>> *********** The Primary 600MRG E-mail List Website is: **********
>> ******************* http://www.500kc.com/ ***********************
>> ******* Secondary is: http://www.mines.uidaho.edu/~SHMRG/ *******
>> *** Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to this address: ****
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>>
> 
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> 
> 
From k1eg at matrix-computers.com  Sat Apr 26 23:23:47 2008
From: k1eg at matrix-computers.com (Michael Lodico K1EG)
Date: Sat Apr 26 23:24:26 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
References: <2492D6F89403411D9C4DBCF0F8CDF6A8@jeannePC>
	<4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com> <48137E1E.8070100@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <4813F1C3.D18D95EB@matrix-computers.com>

Ed thanks for the info.  I was aware of Davids kit and have been trying
to locate one for some time now.  I will drop him an e-mail and see if
he has anything for 1750 meters or other bands.  It's nice to know that
he is still active.

73,

Mike  K1EG

From k1eg at matrix-computers.com  Sat Apr 26 23:28:22 2008
From: k1eg at matrix-computers.com (Michael Lodico K1EG)
Date: Sat Apr 26 23:29:02 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 1750 Meters
References: <2492D6F89403411D9C4DBCF0F8CDF6A8@jeannePC>
	<4812C88D.511789E7@matrix-computers.com> <481322ED.5060509@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <4813F2D6.1CD84D9A@matrix-computers.com>

John you are so right.  If we could come up with a SSB transceiver using
a computer sound card it would go a long way on possibly opening up new
bands.

73,

Mike  K1EG

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Apr 27 07:58:49 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Sun Apr 27 08:58:14 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] DominoFEC
References: <481324FC.1050106@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8a85e$0fa7b360$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

Unlike Friday evening, not even a hint of your DominoFEC signals
seen here.  I hope I had the right mode...I read your post to Jay
about being in haste to get on the air!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Apr 30 14:45:02 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Apr 30 14:40:11 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....
Message-ID: <4818BE2E.8070309@w1tag.com>

tap, tap, tap.... is this thing working?

JA
From john at mayson.us  Wed Apr 30 14:43:21 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed Apr 30 14:44:17 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....
In-Reply-To: <4818BE2E.8070309@w1tag.com>
References: <4818BE2E.8070309@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0804301143k4c411dc5g88d118b1abfac2f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> tap, tap, tap.... is this thing working?

Shhhh. we're sleeping.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 30 14:48:32 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (KU4XR)
Date: Wed Apr 30 14:49:25 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0804301143k4c411dc5g88d118b1abfac2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <153975.96306.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>



> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> > tap, tap, tap.... is this thing working?
> 
> Shhhh. we're sleeping.  :-)
> 
> -- 
> John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA

Summertime hibernation maybe ???

73, from Andy Bell - KU4XR - EM75xr


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From wa1lad at cox.net  Wed Apr 30 14:58:05 2008
From: wa1lad at cox.net (Gil Woodside)
Date: Wed Apr 30 14:57:19 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....
References: <4818BE2E.8070309@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c8aaf4$1f773f70$921cfa18@woodside>

5/9 + 60db here........


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....


> tap, tap, tap.... is this thing working?
>
> JA
> _______________________________________________
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From rga1k5sit at cebridge.net  Wed Apr 30 15:12:34 2008
From: rga1k5sit at cebridge.net (RGA)
Date: Wed Apr 30 15:14:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....
References: <4818BE2E.8070309@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <006301c8aaf6$3908e4a0$6a00a8c0@MEDIAPOOTER>

Who is Mr. Test??de k5sit 73 es gud dx
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....


> tap, tap, tap.... is this thing working?
>
> JA
> _______________________________________________
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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Wed Apr 30 16:33:54 2008
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc@juno.com)
Date: Wed Apr 30 16:46:59 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] hello, test...1,2,3,4....
Message-ID: <20080430.164336.3452.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com>

using the white cane due to RF exposure  ??

Bob K3DJC
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:02 -0400 John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> writes:
> tap, tap, tap.... is this thing working?
> 
> JA
> _______________________________________________
> >From the Lowfer mailing list
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> 
> 
