From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 00:17:33 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue Jul  1 00:19:51 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Fw: Can anyone see my carrier ???
Message-ID: <256552.28932.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


> Hello all; strange subject line, but the band is very good
> in the southland tonite, hearing the LW bdcast sta, on A.M.
> with good copy. I have been testing my beacon in keydown
> mode, while waiting for my keyer kit to arrive. If I,m even
> getting across the street, I'm xmit-ing on 184321.92KHz
> solid carrier. Anyone adventerous enough to try and see the
> signal ?? It will be on overnight. If anyone does try; tnx
> in advance for your efforts.
> 73, Andy - KU4XR


      
From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Tue Jul  1 18:05:22 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Tue Jul  1 18:07:47 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Rx-ing
Message-ID: <486A63D3020000C800048D35@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

<< OFF LIST  >>
Hey Mike,

Working with a new antenna, a 40M dipole and trying to hear some 600M activity. None yet.

Have you heard Bill on 512.3?

Was at your Web site and noticed some newer pics. One was of a 250-TH at idle another at full bore
Wow whats you doing there? The pic of the one all aglow doesn't seem to have a plate lead. What gives?

Back in the old days on basic 80/40 meters ops, one of the guys ran a few hundred watts to 100Th but our local Mr Hot Shot ran the limit from a 304TL (that's 4 250s on one envelope). He and aother ham took some pole pigs blown in a windstorm and reversed them. Still could easily flicker the other lights at his place. Heh-heh, does anybody do that anymore??

How about a hollar if you see sight of wild bill.

Peter
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Jul  1 19:05:17 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Tue Jul  1 20:05:43 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Rx-ing
References: <486A63D3020000C800048D35@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <000701c8dbcf$07b3db80$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi Peter, Mike, Lowfers,

Take a look at my website to see what I do with a pole transformer.
It's been very hard to resist the temptation to hook it to my Lowfer
antenna...Laurence in Singapore would likley hear/see it!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From we0h at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 20:17:10 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Tue Jul  1 20:19:31 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Rx-ing
In-Reply-To: <000701c8dbcf$07b3db80$0b01a8c0@weazle>
References: <486A63D3020000C800048D35@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<000701c8dbcf$07b3db80$0b01a8c0@weazle>
Message-ID: <486AC906.2060103@yahoo.com>

Dang, that looks dangerous  :-)
Any pictures of arc's flying around the garage?

Mike


J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
> Hi Peter, Mike, Lowfers,
>
> Take a look at my website to see what I do with a pole transformer.
> It's been very hard to resist the temptation to hook it to my Lowfer
> antenna...Laurence in Singapore would likley hear/see it!
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 23:07:28 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue Jul  1 23:09:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Still sending out my tiny wisper of a signal
Message-ID: <687633.8369.qm@web63613.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all: I reworked my antenna system today, and it appears to be a little more efficient than the previous attempt. I am drawing the same PA current on the antenna that I do on a 50 ohm dummie load, That's good I guess ??
I'm sending a solid carrier at 184321.92KHz. Still waiting for my K1EL keyer. Anyone who would try to see if the signal shows up at your QTH, I would appreciate any reports + or - . Generating abt 625 milliwatts input to the final. Sure won,t burn a hole in any trees there.
73, and tnx for any effort; Andy - KU4XR- EM75xr


      
From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 08:33:29 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed Jul  2 08:35:54 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Still sending out my tiny wisper of a signal
In-Reply-To: <687633.8369.qm@web63613.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <687633.8369.qm@web63613.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807020533v6de26777i86886ff049a7f95f@mail.gmail.com>

Been looking but nothing here so far
de Lloyd W3NF

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all: I reworked my antenna system today, and it appears to be a little more efficient than the previous attempt. I am drawing the same PA current on the antenna that I do on a 50 ohm dummie load, That's good I guess ??
> I'm sending a solid carrier at 184321.92KHz. Still waiting for my K1EL keyer. Anyone who would try to see if the signal shows up at your QTH, I would appreciate any reports + or - . Generating abt 625 milliwatts input to the final. Sure won,t burn a hole in any trees there.
> 73, and tnx for any effort; Andy - KU4XR- EM75xr
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> >From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>
From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Wed Jul  2 10:04:28 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Wed Jul  2 10:06:56 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Rx-ing II
Message-ID: <486B449D020000C800048E2F@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

<< ON LIST !  >>
Hi All,

Well I see by JB's reply to my call to Mike I didn't do right on changing the TO: designation properly. Oh, I did place Mike's addr in there, but this emailer requires a precise agility to eliminate a prior one. Score another one for Emailer VS user.

So let me say I've taken the LF antenna down and pulled up the radial "system" for the growing season. Replacing said ant. w/ a 40M dipole which is intended for summer cw activity. But, not being on 40M for a few years, was surprised a the dearth 40 cw after frist hoisting the new dipole. Had I wrongly measured a 40M dipole -- as if that should matter to this degree :-) No, just the spin of the bottle as it was, band dead at about the 3pm launching time. Still, later the cw signals started, not that many, but some activity. Ha, nothing local, usual 200-400 mile stuff. Take note: lot's of emptiness in the cw partition. New easy licensing taking a toll?

No report of 600M activity as I had hoped, using the balanced wire fed-dipole as LF ant. Will watch here for other's reports. Possibly future trys at same.

Come the falling leaves I hope to again be active and alert for part-15 activity.

Well, it's time to hit the Send. Let's see if this mail sees it's mark ;-)

Cheers -- Peter
From we0h at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  2 11:42:18 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Wed Jul  2 11:44:42 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Rx-ing II
In-Reply-To: <486B449D020000C800048E2F@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <486B449D020000C800048E2F@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <486BA1DA.2040905@yahoo.com>

Peter,

Build this antenna this weekend. It works excellent. I have 2 of them 
with one being fixed tuned to 507kc and the other is a table top version 
with a variable cap.
http://www.500kc.com/WA1ZMS/index.htm
It will run circles around the dipole for receiving signals on 600 
meters or any band you resonate it for. The usable bandwidth with fixed 
tuning is 100kc.

Mike
WE0H
WD2XSH/16 on 600 meters


Peter B wrote:
> << ON LIST !  >>
> Hi All,
>
> Well I see by JB's reply to my call to Mike I didn't do right on changing the TO: designation properly. Oh, I did place Mike's addr in there, but this emailer requires a precise agility to eliminate a prior one. Score another one for Emailer VS user.
>
> So let me say I've taken the LF antenna down and pulled up the radial "system" for the growing season. Replacing said ant. w/ a 40M dipole which is intended for summer cw activity. But, not being on 40M for a few years, was surprised a the dearth 40 cw after frist hoisting the new dipole. Had I wrongly measured a 40M dipole -- as if that should matter to this degree :-) No, just the spin of the bottle as it was, band dead at about the 3pm launching time. Still, later the cw signals started, not that many, but some activity. Ha, nothing local, usual 200-400 mile stuff. Take note: lot's of emptiness in the cw partition. New easy licensing taking a toll?
>
> No report of 600M activity as I had hoped, using the balanced wire fed-dipole as LF ant. Will watch here for other's reports. Possibly future trys at same.
>
> Come the falling leaves I hope to again be active and alert for part-15 activity.
>
> Well, it's time to hit the Send. Let's see if this mail sees it's mark ;-)
>
> Cheers -- Peter
From w9sz at prairienet.org  Wed Jul  2 12:42:10 2008
From: w9sz at prairienet.org (Zack Widup)
Date: Wed Jul  2 12:44:33 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Rx-ing II
In-Reply-To: <486BA1DA.2040905@yahoo.com>
References: <486B449D020000C800048E2F@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<486BA1DA.2040905@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021141001.18185@bluestem.prairienet.org>


Wow, I didn't know Brian was into that too!  He has been of great 
assistance to me in getting active on microwave and millimeter-wave 
bands.
:-)

73, Zack W9SZ

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Mike WE0H wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Build this antenna this weekend. It works excellent. I have 2 of them with 
> one being fixed tuned to 507kc and the other is a table top version with a 
> variable cap.
> http://www.500kc.com/WA1ZMS/index.htm
> It will run circles around the dipole for receiving signals on 600 meters or 
> any band you resonate it for. The usable bandwidth with fixed tuning is 
> 100kc.
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XSH/16 on 600 meters
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul  2 16:45:26 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul  2 16:47:03 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 PSKFEC31 Tonight
Message-ID: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>

Assuming that the local thunderstorms settle down, WE2XGR/3 will be 
running MultiPSK's PSKFEC31 tonight from 0000 to 0500 UTC on 508.500 
kHz. I will advise here if Thor does not cooperate.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Jul  2 21:02:25 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jul  2 21:05:30 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 XGR/5
Message-ID: <000b01c8dca8$8a0aa8f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

John:

Good copy as expected...

WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...

Bill: 

Reading your new freq. as 506.91134

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 21:52:18 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed Jul  2 21:54:45 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 PSKFEC31 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
References: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807021852p5875b788qff2b616fc12b74b5@mail.gmail.com>

Kinda rough tonite but here are a couple of snipits of copy
de Lloyd W3NF

WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODEY..
WE2XGFA3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDENM9IA FNH UEAEKFECE5ODEWK5IT
IR/3 I5E2XGR/3  7UTDEN, MA1T 42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2R/3  WE2X/3  HOLDEN, MA FN49CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2R/3  WE2XGR3  HOLDEN,UFN,IE0



BL 3 O, AD8AONDT PE-3ECTRNBREAXERU3RFEM  WET R/8  HOLDEN, MCFN42CH IN
PSKFEC31 MODE.TEWE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31
MOII...
WE2WGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGRR3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XAEA3  HOLDEN, MA GN42CH IN PSK EC31 MODE...
WE2XFF8E WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA : 42CH IN PSH"C1IBN..
WE2R  -E2XGR/3   O EE2 MOMETB,D I0  TEFECP OD
PET.EB:P9ARLCK/TKEMLIE


On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:45 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> Assuming that the local thunderstorms settle down, WE2XGR/3 will be running
> MultiPSK's PSKFEC31 tonight from 0000 to 0500 UTC on 508.500 kHz. I will
> advise here if Thor does not cooperate.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul  2 22:06:59 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul  2 22:09:30 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 PSKFEC31 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0807021852p5875b788qff2b616fc12b74b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807021852p5875b788qff2b616fc12b74b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486C3443.2010401@w1tag.com>

Lloyd,

Imagine what it would be like without the error correction! Tnx for the 
report.

JA

lloyd chastant wrote:
> Kinda rough tonite but here are a couple of snipits of copy
From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 22:16:25 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed Jul  2 22:18:55 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 PSKFEC31 Tonight
In-Reply-To: <486C3443.2010401@w1tag.com>
References: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807021852p5875b788qff2b616fc12b74b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<486C3443.2010401@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807021916t515137bale6e5e9d1cf1aed2a@mail.gmail.com>

Yes .here is another copy a little later
plenty of static
de Lloyd
OECR =TES::S/RRPITUCEEFEEAAALOO -ORNTO8N'969DEKT3 JASEFK3 D E L  +
O2CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEMTIOA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODEO..
 IE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 SI...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3IWE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH INRASKFEC31 MODE...
WEXGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH ISRSKFEC31RIODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/5  HOLDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
WE2XGR/3  WE2 SGRA HOLDEN,EMA FN42CH IN PSVFEC3/TSIDE.TD
WE2XGR/3  XE2XGR/3  HBNIIN, MA FN49CH IN PSKFEC31 MODE...
XG3EN WE2XGR/3  H
ER. MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MOQ N..
WE2XGR/3  WSUXGR3  VELDEN, MA FN42CH IN PSKFEC31 MDDE.WOWE2XGR/3
WE2XGR/31 O5S SRG
EIOI %CO HPSKFEC31 MODE...9EE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  HOLDEN, MA FN5OET


On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:06 AM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> Lloyd,
>
> Imagine what it would be like without the error correction! Tnx for the
> report.
>
> JA
>
> lloyd chastant wrote:
>>
>> Kinda rough tonite but here are a couple of snipits of copy
>
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Jul  3 06:24:14 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Thu Jul  3 07:24:04 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 PSKFEC31 Tonight
References: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8dcf6$f287a2e0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

Nothing seen of your signals last evening.  We had a big area
of T-storms to our immediate south and west, hence noisy
conditions.  Still, it was worth trying.  Thanks for being on.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Jul  3 13:02:55 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Jul  3 13:04:44 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 PSKFEC31 Last Night
In-Reply-To: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
References: <486BE8E6.2000301@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <486D063F.3000605@w1tag.com>

Thanks to Jay, Stan, Lloyd, J.B. and Dave (did I miss anyone?) for the 
reports from last night. I'll be off tonight, but should be back on 
Friday night for more fun.

John A.
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Jul  3 18:50:44 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Thu Jul  3 19:50:38 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Still sending out my tiny wisper of a signal
References: <687633.8369.qm@web63613.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c8dd5f$3bc42100$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi Andy, Lowfers,

Are you still on the air Thursday evening?  Last night's T-storms
have moved on, and the band seems relatively quiet, hence I'm
going to give a listen for you on 184.322 kHz..

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 20:47:37 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu Jul  3 20:50:09 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Still sending test carrier @ 184.322KHz - KU4XR
Message-ID: <236245.15525.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Some emails don't seem to be making it thru the list. Hope this one does.
73, all: Andy - KU4XR


      
From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 22:21:12 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu Jul  3 22:23:43 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Will be doing manual QRSS - 10 for 15 min
Message-ID: <674873.97652.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heads up everyone: in the absense of a keyer, I will transmit the letter 
" X " at approximately QRSS-10 speed for 15 min. BY HAND, beginning at 
10.30pm Eastern time. Each character should take me about 2 min very rough.
Let's see what happens, or if anyone can see it.
Andy - KU4XR


      
From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 22:51:41 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu Jul  3 22:54:13 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Back to carrier now
Message-ID: <908333.98515.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

OK Gents: That didn't go too well. Right in the middle of the test,
one of my finals somehow came loose in its socket and I went to about
half power. I wiggled it around during a long DAH and got it going
again. Oh well; that's what testing is for. 73, and tnx to anyone who tried to see the signal.  Andy - KU4XR


      
From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 23:25:58 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu Jul  3 23:28:33 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Test message for Bryan - KG4ENB
Message-ID: <560783.17737.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

OK Bryan: if you,re out of digest mode you should get this. hit reply,
and see if it will post back to the list. Andy - KU4XR


      
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Jul  4 16:44:51 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Jul  4 16:47:28 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 MFSK16 508.5 Friday Night
Message-ID: <486E8BC3.1030603@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 will be running MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight from 0000 to 0500 
UTC. MultiPSK is one program that will decode it -- there are others.

Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Fri Jul  4 21:36:11 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jul  4 21:38:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 MFSK16 508.5 Friday Night
References: <486E8BC3.1030603@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c8de3f$817a9720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Good copy despite static and fading...

WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holden, MA  FN42ch in MFSK16 mode on 508.500 kHz...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holden, MA  FN42ch in MFSK16 mode on 508.500 kHz...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holden, MA  FN42ch in MFSK16 mode on 508.500 kHz...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holden, MA  FN42ch in MFSK16 mode on 508.500 kHz...
WE2XGR/3  WE2XGR/3  Holden, MA  FN42ch in MFSK16 mode on 508.500 kHz...

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "600MRG" <shmrg@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>; "Discussion of the Lowfer 
(US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 MFSK16 508.5 Friday Night


> WE2XGR/3 will be running MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight from 0000 to 0500 
> UTC. MultiPSK is one program that will decode it -- there are others.
>
> Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>>From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer 

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Jul  4 21:44:40 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Jul  4 21:47:18 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 MFSK16 508.5 Friday Night
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8de3f$817a9720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <486E8BC3.1030603@w1tag.com>
	<000c01c8de3f$817a9720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <486ED207.9060200@w1tag.com>

Jay,

> Good copy despite static and fading...

Yeah, not the best of nights in the NE. Tnx, and will leave it running...

JA
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Jul  4 21:18:33 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Fri Jul  4 22:18:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 MFSK16 508.5 Friday Night
References: <486E8BC3.1030603@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8de3d$0c9323c0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

The QSB is quite bad this evening, but when you're in there
the copy is solid.  As I do most evenings, I'm listening to the
trans-Atlantic ATC out of Shanwick on 2872 kHz. and it's
got a lot of noise even tho I'm using a 1200 ft. Beverage.
No "local" storms on the wx radar here.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 22:24:07 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Fri Jul  4 22:26:45 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 MFSK16 508.5 Friday Night
In-Reply-To: <486E8BC3.1030603@w1tag.com>
References: <486E8BC3.1030603@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807041924n3e8efc4cpbb17e4db26b9e8e1@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.Jay says he copys but I saw nothing here..very heavy noise
de Lloyd

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:44 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 will be running MFSK16 on 508.500 kHz tonight from 0000 to 0500
> UTC. MultiPSK is one program that will decode it -- there are others.
>
> Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Jul  5 18:52:59 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Jul  5 18:55:43 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 Saturday night WOLF
Message-ID: <486FFB4B.7010105@w1tag.com>

A belated thanks to Jay, J.B., Fred and Lloyd for the MFSK16 reports 
from last night. As Fred says, it's tough to compare one night to the 
next, particularly at this time of year. But MFSK16 seems like a pretty 
good choice for a QSO or sending text.

XGR/3 will be running in WOLF(10) mode tonight on 508.500 kHz from 0000 
to 0500 UTC. Reports are welcome. WOLF software is available at:
http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/wolf/index.html
The learning curve is a little steep for weak signals, but pretty 
straightforward for a decent signal.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 21:28:50 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Sat Jul  5 21:31:33 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 Saturday night WOLF
In-Reply-To: <486FFB4B.7010105@w1tag.com>
References: <486FFB4B.7010105@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807051828s184b13dbpa52a9e73b1997618@mail.gmail.com>

Here's copy tonite..
de Lloyd W3NF
2008-07-06 01:02:47 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 800 -t 0.5 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.292 a: 0.6 dp: 97.0 ci:15 cj:  1 W I.MME8M0Z/5D4 ?
t:  48 f: 0.302 a:-0.1 dp: 95.6 ci:15 cj:  1 0IS9*LLIWEZW4F3 -
t:  96 f:-0.142 a: 1.0 dp: 94.1 ci:10 cj:405 CXU7NQF FMXBV40 ?
t: 192 f: 0.293 pm:58.72 jm:271 q: -7.3 -5.9 CQ DE EW2O7Z/3  -
t: 288 f: 0.293 pm:319.2 jm:271 q: -2.6 -2.4 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 384 f: 0.293 pm:341.2 jm:271 q: -0.8 -0.9 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 480 f: 0.293 pm:387.5 jm:271 q: -0.1 -0.8 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 576 f: 0.293 pm:396.6 jm:271 q: -0.1 -0.9 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 672 f: 0.293 pm:449.4 jm:271 q:  0.2 -0.8 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 768 f: 0.293 pm:449.7 jm:271 q:  0.6 -0.2 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 864 f: 0.293 pm:566.6 jm:271 q:  1.1  0.6 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t: 960 f: 0.293 pm:672.9 jm:271 q:  1.6  1.6 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1056 f: 0.293 pm:694.1 jm:271 q:  1.5  1.6 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -


On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:52 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> A belated thanks to Jay, J.B., Fred and Lloyd for the MFSK16 reports from
> last night. As Fred says, it's tough to compare one night to the next,
> particularly at this time of year. But MFSK16 seems like a pretty good
> choice for a QSO or sending text.
>
> XGR/3 will be running in WOLF(10) mode tonight on 508.500 kHz from 0000 to
> 0500 UTC. Reports are welcome. WOLF software is available at:
> http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/wolf/index.html
> The learning curve is a little steep for weak signals, but pretty
> straightforward for a decent signal.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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From h-wolff at gmx.de  Sun Jul  6 03:55:33 2008
From: h-wolff at gmx.de (Hartmut Wolff)
Date: Sun Jul  6 03:58:24 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 Saturday night WOLF
In-Reply-To: <486FFB4B.7010105@w1tag.com>
References: <486FFB4B.7010105@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <48707A75.7090001@gmx.de>

Recorded with a DCrx (I/Q output, FST3253, INA163 and a simple crystal LO)
Decoded from 30min long wav I/Q files played back in WINRAD and 
connected with VAC to the WOLF gui. Nothing calibrated!

01:30 UTC:
t:  24 f: 2.778 a: 0.2 dp:106.1 ci: 9 cj:461 ???WOG/FGIB3WQ3 ?
t:  48 f: 2.775 a: 0.3 dp:105.5 ci: 5 cj:326 S6R0YTU7QI0V83A ?
t:  96 f: 2.358 a:-0.3 dp:102.0 ci: 8 cj:234 JGR7KPPE84RU.54 ?
t: 192 f:-2.686 pm:176.6 jm:492 q:-13.1 -8.9 RXL OWOD5*1*1JC ?
t: 288 f:-1.250 pm:220.8 jm:732 q:-11.2 -8.7 HQO5VCO BO7H Q8 ?
t: 384 f:-2.383 pm:251.2 jm:906 q:-11.1 -7.7 0M1T8.CMB3U6QO3 ?
t: 480 f:-2.803 pm:279.0 jm:432 q: -9.7 -9.6 8 X//C*MSMJMD** ?
t: 576 f:-2.803 pm:292.3 jm:432 q: -9.2-10.0 X 4N Y64VGXKLQV ?
t: 672 f:-1.816 pm:298.8 jm:609 q: -8.6 -8.4 CK910Z3UWFX4 1Q ?
t: 768 f:-2.803 pm:329.5 jm:432 q: -8.3 -9.2 SGW2.M*AJ Z62E/ ?
t: 864 f:-2.803 pm:337.1 jm:432 q: -7.5 -8.5 9N5IAUGEF4JAU2L ?
t: 960 f: 2.178 pm:351.8 jm:365 q: -6.9 -7.8 85G0HT???H0*G** ?
t:1056 f:-1.816 pm:394.8 jm:609 q: -6.5 -7.8 .6A*S7/ELCMMF.X ?
t:1152 f:-1.816 pm:422.0 jm:609 q: -6.1 -8.7 H4YHK*5WYD1TDJ6 ?
t:1248 f:-1.816 pm:426.4 jm:609 q: -6.0 -9.2 WFKGNMA/F7T TTA ?
t:1344 f:-1.992 pm:440.5 jm:600 q: -6.4 -7.3 1MB2QHIX1HC0??? ?
t:1440 f:-1.240 pm:771.6 jm:146 q: -1.8 -4.6 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1536 f:-1.240 pm:834.6 jm:146 q: -1.2 -4.3 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1632 f:-1.240 pm:958.0 jm:146 q: -0.7 -3.5 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -

02:00 UTC:
t:  24 f: 1.210 a:-1.5 dp:107.7 ci: 6 cj: 84 UC52X0JBLNWU2WA ?
t:  48 f:-0.287 a:-0.8 dp:104.7 ci: 6 cj: 25 9U13A6IMENP*DI8 ?
t:  96 f: 0.054 a: 1.1 dp:101.4 ci: 9 cj:403 2 EP4TEGH3U8XQM -
t: 192 f:-1.719 pm:146.4 jm:698 q:-13.5 -7.3 0ETPH6U XG6PRW7 ?
t: 288 f: 2.891 pm:234.2 jm:669 q:-11.7 -6.1 JP4M6UC4BDC.*4Y -
t: 384 f: 2.891 pm:241.1 jm:669 q:-10.7 -8.3 2WHZROJSFUJ9WDD ?
t: 480 f:-2.490 pm:282.7 jm:285 q: -8.9 -7.7 NBEXSCVY3NIDLXC ?
t: 576 f:-2.490 pm:298.0 jm:285 q: -8.2 -5.8 51Z6GMF0GN5M7IZ -
t: 672 f:-1.250 pm:530.1 jm:442 q: -5.2 -8.3 I0L5I1S8LEYS/*L ?
t: 768 f:-1.250 pm:676.3 jm:442 q: -4.3 -8.1 SB0ZW/SV7P9 T9U ?
t: 864 f:-1.250 pm:784.2 jm:442 q: -3.2 -6.0 C690VW0LL???T16 ?
t: 960 f:-1.250 pm:887.0 jm:442 q: -2.7 -5.4 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1056 f:-1.250 pm:967.2 jm:442 q: -2.5 -4.5 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1152 f:-1.250 pm: 1010 jm:442 q: -2.2 -4.1 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1248 f:-1.250 pm: 1065 jm:442 q: -1.9 -3.5 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1344 f:-1.250 pm: 1075 jm:442 q: -2.0 -3.4 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1440 f:-1.250 pm: 1176 jm:442 q: -1.6 -3.4 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1536 f:-1.250 pm: 1196 jm:442 q: -1.0 -3.2 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -
t:1632 f:-1.250 pm: 1197 jm:442 q: -0.7 -3.6 CQ DE WE2XGR/3  -



-- 
73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Jul  6 09:56:23 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun Jul  6 09:59:17 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Re: XGR/3 Saturday night WOLF
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0807051828s184b13dbpa52a9e73b1997618@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486FFB4B.7010105@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807051828s184b13dbpa52a9e73b1997618@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4870CF07.7080404@w1tag.com>

Not bad! Thanks to Lloyd, Fred and Hartmut for the WOLF reports. I knew 
that long distance conditions would be good, but it's still surprising 
to get reports from across the pond during the summer with all of the 
noise. But when you consider the number of times we did this on 137 kHz 
at this time of year, I guess this is to be expected! It's still nice to 
get the reports, though...

Fred: Yes, it looks like the WOLF results would be better if it had your 
sound card's actual sampling rate, as the framing is slowly drifting. 
With a weaker signal (like in Germany, for example), that would make the 
difference in being able to get any copy at all.

John Andrews, W1TAG
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Jul  6 12:47:34 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun Jul  6 12:50:21 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WSPR Sunday night
Message-ID: <4870F726.9070103@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 will run in WSPR mode tonight from 0000 to 0500 UTC. Set your 
receiver to 507 kHz USB, and XGR/3 will be at the center of the passband 
(1500 Hz => 508.500 kHz). Your PC's clock should be within 1 second of 
real time for the thing to work right. K1JT's WSPR software may be 
downloaded at:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/

Reports are welcome. Other signals are welcome. Thunderstorms are not 
welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Jul  6 21:26:32 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (weazle)
Date: Sun Jul  6 21:29:48 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] WSPR Sunday eve
Message-ID: <487170df.33c.7068.22763773@hurontel.on.ca>


Hi John, Lowfers,

Your WSPR transmission is coming in nicely
here at Aerial Acres, EN93dr this evening.

73, J.B., VE3EAR
From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 21:34:59 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Sun Jul  6 21:37:55 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WSPR Sunday night
In-Reply-To: <4870F726.9070103@w1tag.com>
References: <4870F726.9070103@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807061834x32a7a788qd4209b06736d52d9@mail.gmail.com>

Copy hr
de Lloyd W3NF
080707 0056   9 -23   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     4 -155  0.0  0.4
080707 0100  13 -19   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     1  202  0.0  0.6
080707 0104  12 -18   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     2  147  0.0  0.6
080707 0106  10 -20   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     4   97  0.0  0.5
080707 0108   8 -22   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0    18 -134  0.0  0.5
080707 0110   5 -27   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     1  -52  0.0  0.5
080707 0114   3 -28   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0    33 -137  0.0  0.4
080707 0116   8 -23   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0    10   10  0.0  0.5
080707 0118   8 -23   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0    16  -91  0.0  0.5
080707 0120  11 -20   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     1  449  0.0  0.6
080707 0122  12 -19   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     1  473  0.0  0.5
080707 0124  11 -20   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0     1  295  0.0  0.6
080707 0126  11 -20   1.4   0.508501  W1TAG FN42 53    0 33244 -519

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 will run in WSPR mode tonight from 0000 to 0500 UTC. Set your
> receiver to 507 kHz USB, and XGR/3 will be at the center of the passband
> (1500 Hz => 508.500 kHz). Your PC's clock should be within 1 second of real
> time for the thing to work right. K1JT's WSPR software may be downloaded at:
> http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/
>
> Reports are welcome. Other signals are welcome. Thunderstorms are not
> welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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>
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Jul  6 22:05:54 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun Jul  6 22:08:55 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Re: XGR/3 WSPR Sunday night
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0807061834x32a7a788qd4209b06736d52d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4870F726.9070103@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807061834x32a7a788qd4209b06736d52d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48717A02.9070201@w1tag.com>

Thanks for the reports thus far, guys. K1JT and W1XP have been regularly 
posting reports at:
http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php

Will be on until 0500 UTC.

JA
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Mon Jul  7 05:56:11 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Mon Jul  7 06:59:11 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WSPR Sunday night
References: <4870F726.9070103@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000201c8e017$b17a21a0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hello John, Lowfers,

Here's some of my copy of your WSPR transmission last evening:

080505 0024   2 -20  -3.1   0.508513                 
080505 0028   1 -25   1.3   0.508513                 
080505 0032   3 -19   0.8   0.508513                 
080505 0036   1 -21   1.3   0.508513                 
080505 0036   2 -21  -0.2   0.508543  WE2XGR FN31 50 
080505 0040   5 -13   1.1   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0044   3 -20   0.9   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0044   1 -17   0.1   0.508543  WE2XGR FN31 50 
080505 0048   6 -14   0.8   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0048   4 -16  -0.3   0.508543                 
080505 0052   8 -17   1.1   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0056   4 -17   1.1   0.508513                 
080505 0056   8 -12  -0.2   0.508543                 
080505 0100   1 -14   1.3   0.508513                 
080505 0100   4 -17   0.1   0.508543  WE2XGR FN31 50 
080505 0104   2 -15   1.0   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0104   1 -15  -0.1   0.508543                 
080505 0108   4 -19   1.1   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0108   7 -11   0.1   0.508543  WE2XGR FN31 50 
080505 0112   1 -12  -0.2   0.508543                 
080505 0116   5 -11   1.0   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0116   2 -14   0.0   0.508543  WE2XGR FN31 50 
080505 0120   3 -14   0.9   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  
080505 0120  10 -12  -0.2   0.508543  WE2XGR FN31 50 
080505 0124   7  -9   1.0   0.508513  W1TAG FN42 55  

I didn't try tweaking the WSPR clock, as I was busy with some
"domestic duties", so that may explain the odd dropout.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle



From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Mon Jul  7 20:47:29 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Mon Jul  7 20:50:32 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Activity ?
Message-ID: <487272D2020000C8000494D2@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

All,

Looking for at least one 600M CW signal likely to be heard in the midwest. Any likely ones?

Wonder if Bill is on with his CW beacon.

Is Tom in Ohio hearing anything?

Now using the old 185 5-foot tuned loop. QRN level moderate. Loop pointed east from N IL.

Peter
From n8tl at woh.rr.com  Mon Jul  7 21:30:40 2008
From: n8tl at woh.rr.com (Tom)
Date: Mon Jul  7 21:33:37 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600 Meter Activity
Message-ID: <1215480640.6919.3.camel@tom-desktop>

Peter and All:

I'm not doing much monitoring this time of year....busy with major club
antenna project for W8FT.  Should have it wrapped up by August end. Also
working on Linux computer for the ham shack.

Best regards, to all,

Tom N8TL 

From w9sz at prairienet.org  Mon Jul  7 23:42:25 2008
From: w9sz at prairienet.org (Zack Widup)
Date: Mon Jul  7 23:45:22 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 600M Activity ?
In-Reply-To: <487272D2020000C8000494D2@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <487272D2020000C8000494D2@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807072241160.24591@bluestem.prairienet.org>


I'm in Champaign-Urbana but I don't much of a transmitter for 600m.

A guy in Mahomet used to have the beacon BOB, but I don't know what 
happened to it.  Haven't heard it in a few years.

73, Zack


On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Peter Barick wrote:

> All,
>
> Looking for at least one 600M CW signal likely to be heard in the midwest. Any likely ones?
>
> Wonder if Bill is on with his CW beacon.
>
> Is Tom in Ohio hearing anything?
>
> Now using the old 185 5-foot tuned loop. QRN level moderate. Loop pointed east from N IL.
>
> Peter
From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Tue Jul  8 13:37:57 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Tue Jul  8 13:41:05 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
Message-ID: <48735FA5020000C8000496F3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

East coasters,

I'm interested in Bill's NH 600M beacon activity ... but is it on now?

Bill originally reported it being QRSS3 at 512.3. Recently Jay reported it at 506.9.

Can someone state today's activity and freq?

Peter
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Jul  8 16:47:32 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jul  8 16:50:37 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
References: <48735FA5020000C8000496F3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <000601c8e13b$d886eba0$7901a8c0@DELL4>

Peter

Bill changed frequency to gain a bit of 'visibility'. Haven't listened for 
him lately. If you're looking for an east coast 'target' WE2XGR/2 will be on 
506.5 kHz beginning at about 0100Z for a couple hours tonight...Tstorms 
permitting.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Barick" <pbarick@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/5 Activity ?


East coasters,

I'm interested in Bill's NH 600M beacon activity ... but is it on now?

Bill originally reported it being QRSS3 at 512.3. Recently Jay reported it 
at 506.9.

Can someone state today's activity and freq?

Peter
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From dmcintyre at att.net  Tue Jul  8 18:25:33 2008
From: dmcintyre at att.net (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Tue Jul  8 18:28:44 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
In-Reply-To: <000601c8e13b$d886eba0$7901a8c0@DELL4>
References: <48735FA5020000C8000496F3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<000601c8e13b$d886eba0$7901a8c0@DELL4>
Message-ID: <4873E95D.2050405@att.net>

Bill requested a QSO attempt with me Monday between 9 and 10  p.m.  I 
was on 507.5 khz calling him and calling CQ during that time but nothing 
heard.  QRN was rather high so he may have been on and I was unable to 
hear him.  I believe he said he may be on again tonight.  I will have 
much more QRN tonight than last night.  Right now we are getting marble 
size hail.  At least it will turn into water which we really need.

Dex

jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> Peter
>
> Bill changed frequency to gain a bit of 'visibility'. Haven't listened 
> for him lately. If you're looking for an east coast 'target' WE2XGR/2 
> will be on 506.5 kHz beginning at about 0100Z for a couple hours 
> tonight...Tstorms permitting.
>
> Jay
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Barick" 
> <pbarick@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
> To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:37 PM
> Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/5 Activity ?
>
>
> East coasters,
>
> I'm interested in Bill's NH 600M beacon activity ... but is it on now?
>
> Bill originally reported it being QRSS3 at 512.3. Recently Jay 
> reported it at 506.9.
>
> Can someone state today's activity and freq?
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
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From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Tue Jul  8 21:55:45 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Tue Jul  8 21:58:55 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
Message-ID: <4873D451020000C8000497E3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

Cndx fairly quiet here, light QRN relative to some bad nights.

As per Jay's post, I had Argo on at 0030Z and about 20min to 0100 started to see a trace on freq. 506.5. Stuff broken up so couldn't read it on 10-sec screen. After 0100Z switched to a 20-sec screen and saw a better trace. But 5 cycles next to it was a series of dots, maybe 10. That faded on and off on a 20-sec screen.

Anyone claim the above?

Peter, N IL
--------------------------------------
>>> Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dmcintyre@att.net> 07/08/08 5:26 PM >>>
Bill requested a QSO attempt with me Monday between 9 and 10  p.m.  I 
was on 507.5 khz calling him and calling CQ during that time but nothing 
heard.  QRN was rather high so he may have been on and I was unable to 
hear him.  I believe he said he may be on again tonight.  I will have 
much more QRN tonight than last night.  Right now we are getting marble 
size hail.  At least it will turn into water which we really need.

Dex

From we0h at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  8 22:13:02 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Tue Jul  8 22:16:06 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
In-Reply-To: <4873D451020000C8000497E3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <4873D451020000C8000497E3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <48741EAE.5010100@yahoo.com>

I'd say it was Mr Lightning after looking at the lightning map now 
http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html

Tonight will be a wash for hearing anything...no fun :-(

Mike
WE0H


Peter Barick wrote:
> Cndx fairly quiet here, light QRN relative to some bad nights.
>
> As per Jay's post, I had Argo on at 0030Z and about 20min to 0100 started to see a trace on freq. 506.5. Stuff broken up so couldn't read it on 10-sec screen. After 0100Z switched to a 20-sec screen and saw a better trace. But 5 cycles next to it was a series of dots, maybe 10. That faded on and off on a 20-sec screen.
>
> Anyone claim the above?
>
> Peter, N IL
From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  9 01:42:40 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Wed Jul  9 01:45:44 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
Message-ID: <BLU106-W153AA144241EE794619AC9C9960@phx.gbl>


XGR/5 here,
 
Dex didn't mention our conflict on ~507. I was trying to contact Dave/17 on Thursday night on 506.9 (my assigned frequency) and a signal faded in near this frequency that eventually became quite strong.  Because of my poor code reading ability I couldn't follow the 4 min repeating message except for recognizing some /10s. I told Warren the next day on the phone about this and he looked up /10 and reported that this was likely Dex. What a surprise!! I Emailed him and now we are looking for a relatively static free night for a QSO. I think both of us are running close to 40w so it will be interesting to see who receives the stronger signal. This is disavow all over again :)
 
I haven't been sending all that much in the unattended mode on 506.9 as it's easy to interfere with other stations due to the tight packing of assigned frequencies. I'll probably use this freq only when the intent is for 2-way communicating. I'm back in Andover for a couple of days and the Xmtr is off right now. When I get back to Ellsworth the plan is to send on both 506.9 and 512.3 but later in the evening on 512.3 with the keydown and regular ID so Peter and others will have a signal to look for. 
 
Thanks to all!
 
Bill
 
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:25:33 -0400> From: dmcintyre@att.net> To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] XGR/5 Activity ?> > Bill requested a QSO attempt with me Monday between 9 and 10 p.m. I > was on 507.5 khz calling him and calling CQ during that time but nothing > heard. QRN was rather high so he may have been on and I was unable to > hear him. I believe he said he may be on again tonight. I will have > much more QRN tonight than last night. Right now we are getting marble > size hail. At least it will turn into water which we really need.> > Dex> > jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:> > Peter> >> > Bill changed frequency to gain a bit of 'visibility'. Haven't listened > > for him lately. If you're looking for an east coast 'target' WE2XGR/2 > > will be on 506.5 kHz beginning at about 0100Z for a couple hours > > tonight...Tstorms permitting.> >> > Jay> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Barick" > > <pbarick@wpo.cso.niu.edu>> > To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:37 PM> > Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/5 Activity ?> >> >> > East coasters,> >> > I'm interested in Bill's NH 600M beacon activity ... but is it on now?> >> > Bill originally reported it being QRSS3 at 512.3. Recently Jay > > reported it at 506.9.> >> > Can someone state today's activity and freq?> >> > Peter> > _______________________________________________> >> From the Lowfer mailing list> > Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> > To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer> > _______________________________________________> >> From the Lowfer mailing list> > Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> > To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer> >> > _______________________________________________> >From the Lowfer mailing list> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
From we0h at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 01:50:45 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Wed Jul  9 01:53:50 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W153AA144241EE794619AC9C9960@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W153AA144241EE794619AC9C9960@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <487451B5.2010209@yahoo.com>

Hi Bill,

I wouldn't worry about beaconing on 506.9kc as everyone else can move 
around as needed. I go all over the band just like regular ham radio 
chatting. Listen first, throw out your callsign and if no one replies, 
fire up the beacon. Wait until winter when you will hear many signals on 
the band at once. It sounds like a contest then...LOL...

Mike
WE0H


Bill Ashlock wrote:
> XGR/5 here,
>  
> Dex didn't mention our conflict on ~507. I was trying to contact Dave/17 on Thursday night on 506.9 (my assigned frequency) and a signal faded in near this frequency that eventually became quite strong.  Because of my poor code reading ability I couldn't follow the 4 min repeating message except for recognizing some /10s. I told Warren the next day on the phone about this and he looked up /10 and reported that this was likely Dex. What a surprise!! I Emailed him and now we are looking for a relatively static free night for a QSO. I think both of us are running close to 40w so it will be interesting to see who receives the stronger signal. This is disavow all over again :)
>  
> I haven't been sending all that much in the unattended mode on 506.9 as it's easy to interfere with other stations due to the tight packing of assigned frequencies. I'll probably use this freq only when the intent is for 2-way communicating. I'm back in Andover for a couple of days and the Xmtr is off right now. When I get back to Ellsworth the plan is to send on both 506.9 and 512.3 but later in the evening on 512.3 with the keydown and regular ID so Peter and others will have a signal to look for. 
>  
> Thanks to all!
>  
> Bill
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Wed Jul  9 07:28:32 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Wed Jul  9 08:32:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
References: <4873D451020000C8000497E3@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <000401c8e1b6$ecc39fc0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi Peter, Lowfers,

I saw much the same here.  I had Argo running on this PC with
it set for 3 second dots, and on my other box I ran Spectran so
I could try various speeds.  I never was able to see any actual
characters on either machine, but the frequency was right for
it to have been XGR/5.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Wed Jul  9 08:59:59 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Wed Jul  9 09:03:19 2008
Subject: [Lowfer]  XGR/5 Activity ?
Message-ID: <48746FFF020000C80004987A@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

To Bill, understand. I'll wait for the word.

Interesting J.B. Yes, that's the way I saw it. From my many of seasons of glaring at Argo screens and seeing such light traces later "fill out" into a readable ID, I was waiting for that to happen. The fading/building was there. That experience last occured on TAG, an infrequent 1750M signal here. By expected location and rel. to other 185.3 traces it would sometimes flare out of the mud.

I have a capture, if anyone wants a looksee.
Peter
---------------------------
>>> "J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> 07/09/08 7:29 AM >>>
Hi Peter, Lowfers,

I saw much the same here.  I had Argo running on this PC with
it set for 3 second dots, and on my other box I ran Spectran so
I could try various speeds.  I never was able to see any actual
characters on either machine, but the frequency was right for
it to have been XGR/5.
<...>
From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Jul  9 10:13:17 2008
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors@verizon.net)
Date: Wed Jul  9 10:16:24 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA Message Board Broken
Message-ID: <27819903.55211215612798063.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>

Tried to post a response on the LWCA message board and got a 404 - NOT FOUND Error.

Time to abandon the LWCA Web site and go to something with less restrictions and actually works!

73 Warren K2ORS


73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul  9 10:33:40 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul  9 10:36:04 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA Message Board Broken
In-Reply-To: <27819903.55211215612798063.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <27819903.55211215612798063.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4874CC44.5070506@w1tag.com>

Warren,

That is a DNS error, and has nothing to do with the LWCA site...more 
likely a temporary problem with your internet provider. I just posted a 
message there with no problem.

If you decide to abandon things that occasionally do not work, I'd 
suggest that you abandon LF, as it is very noisy in the summer!

John A.

k2ors@verizon.net wrote:
> Tried to post a response on the LWCA message board and got a 404 - NOT FOUND Error.
From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Jul  9 11:25:14 2008
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors@verizon.net)
Date: Wed Jul  9 11:28:34 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] (no subject)
Message-ID: <25342152.79181215617114723.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>

John,

>If you decide to abandon things that occasionally do
> not work, I'd suggest that you abandon LF, as it is
>very noisy in the summer!

  I'm off LF at the moment and I believe you are as well!

  Using your logic there is no need to abandon an microcomputer running CP/M on an 8080 processor as they still work!




73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From chejmw at buffalo.edu  Wed Jul  9 12:09:18 2008
From: chejmw at buffalo.edu (James M. Walker)
Date: Wed Jul  9 12:12:38 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] (no subject)
References: <25342152.79181215617114723.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <877E58BFF685488C827A78E9BE5D3DFB@ESHOP1>

Most folks are off LF now for one reason or another.
My building is being refaced, but I am running a receiver, and ARGO as
the Buf-Grab, problem I have is the receiver is down the hall from my 
internet
connection. and I can't load any captures to the web-server.

As for the Computer comment.

I still use 8080,8086 computers and software, and also the software 
development
systems for same. Like tubes, just because it is old-tech doesn't mean it 
doesn't
work. I have three repeaters being controlled by a Xerox 820 computer, Z-80.
Got an ATV repeater system controlled by Intel ICS-80 (8086) running Forth
with tape and live video controlled by the thing.

"It Don't have to be the latest, it just has to work reliably" FWIW
Jim
WB2FCN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <k2ors@verizon.net>
To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: [Lowfer] (no subject)


> John,
>
>>If you decide to abandon things that occasionally do
>> not work, I'd suggest that you abandon LF, as it is
>>very noisy in the summer!
>
>  I'm off LF at the moment and I believe you are as well!
>
>  Using your logic there is no need to abandon an microcomputer running 
> CP/M on an 8080 processor as they still work!
>
>
>
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>          WD2XGJ
>          WD2XSH/23
>          WE2XEB/2
>          WE2XGR/1
>
> _______________________________________________
>>From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>
>
> 


From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Jul  9 14:31:14 2008
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors@verizon.net)
Date: Wed Jul  9 14:34:21 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA Message Board Broken
Message-ID: <33388682.1281841215628274675.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Yes you are all correct.

We should unquestionably show loyalty to the least flexible, most restrictive and least reliable web site when better alternatives are available.

Now excuse me while I search for my hairshirt.



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  9 14:43:20 2008
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Wed Jul  9 14:49:39 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] (no subject)
References: <25342152.79181215617114723.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <011201c8e1f4$1b353200$f16cf604@ELNkk7rc>

"Using your logic there is no need to abandon an microcomputer running CP/M
on an 8080 processor as they still work!"

And quite well at that.  Everything you could ever do with them then, work
just as well, if not better due to upgrades in software, now...

Kurt

From evp at pacbell.net  Wed Jul  9 15:20:57 2008
From: evp at pacbell.net (Ed Phillips)
Date: Wed Jul  9 15:24:24 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <011201c8e1f4$1b353200$f16cf604@ELNkk7rc>
References: <25342152.79181215617114723.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
	<011201c8e1f4$1b353200$f16cf604@ELNkk7rc>
Message-ID: <48750F99.3050909@pacbell.net>

Beggers can't be choosers!

From chejmw at buffalo.edu  Wed Jul  9 20:03:03 2008
From: chejmw at buffalo.edu (James M. Walker)
Date: Wed Jul  9 20:06:24 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Signal on 510.500
Message-ID: <335387BDF6E14DE6A5027D7348CE00DD@ESHOP1>

Howdy folks,
trying to determine who/what is on 510.500 with steady carrier.
Is someone testing a transmitter on that frequency?

TNX
Jim
WB2FCN
"Any technology, not sufficiently understood, is usually treated as "MAGIC""


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul  9 20:35:53 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul  9 20:39:02 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Signal on 510.500
In-Reply-To: <335387BDF6E14DE6A5027D7348CE00DD@ESHOP1>
References: <335387BDF6E14DE6A5027D7348CE00DD@ESHOP1>
Message-ID: <48755969.70606@w1tag.com>

Jim,

I had to wait until my friends on 580 kHz killed their digital signal at 
2030, but there's no sign of a carrier on 510.500 here.

John, W1TAG

James M. Walker wrote:
> Howdy folks,
> trying to determine who/what is on 510.500 with steady carrier.
> Is someone testing a transmitter on that frequency?
From chejmw at buffalo.edu  Wed Jul  9 20:44:39 2008
From: chejmw at buffalo.edu (James M. Walker)
Date: Wed Jul  9 20:47:54 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Signal on 510.500
References: <335387BDF6E14DE6A5027D7348CE00DD@ESHOP1>
	<48755969.70606@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <8C59DED1CE374365B0949F0A7CE3EA04@ESHOP1>

OK John,
it seems to be a "regular" carrier, just there, I hear NDB a little further 
up
in frequency, lots of Canadien NDB for a fact. No NAV-TEX yet.
I also need to swap out this computer and sound card, as the stronger
signals make ARGO work harder, with multiple signals, computer is a slow
one, by virtue of it running Windows 98SE, on a 100 Mhz machine.
Weird as the thing isn't running anything else.

Well I will continue to listen/check NDBs I can't hear China Broadcasts
since the antenna is still about 20 feet down from the roof, and inside 
facing
north.
Thanks
Jim
WB2FCN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Signal on 510.500


> Jim,
>
> I had to wait until my friends on 580 kHz killed their digital signal at 
> 2030, but there's no sign of a carrier on 510.500 here.
>
> John, W1TAG
>
> James M. Walker wrote:
>> Howdy folks,
>> trying to determine who/what is on 510.500 with steady carrier.
>> Is someone testing a transmitter on that frequency?
> _______________________________________________
>>From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>
>
> 


From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Thu Jul 10 08:33:54 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Thu Jul 10 08:37:17 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop
Message-ID: <4875BB62020000C800049AB7@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

G'day gents,

Here's a loop question on my mind.

I'm reworking an old LF loop wooden frame for 600M. It will be almost 10 X 10Ft and near-ground mounted.
(The rebuild is adding two more support arms and refinishing the paint.)

So Bill's loop-in-the-trees works have shown how immune such a large wire loop is to adjacent and conductive objects. Then by extension would a smaller, multi-turn loop behave in kind, ie, near trees, buildings?

Something tells me no, that good performance would require a clear and elevated placement. If true, then by what measure and how high?

Cheers - Peter
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Jul 10 09:05:57 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Jul 10 09:08:44 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop
In-Reply-To: <4875BB62020000C800049AB7@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <4875BB62020000C800049AB7@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <48760935.2040207@w1tag.com>

Peter,

I've had no problems with the "loop in the woods," and moving it out 
away from the trees didn't change much of anything. Picture:
http://www.w1tag.com/pix/loop-1.jpg

It is also within 10 feet of my transmit loop. As expected, there is 
quite a bit of interaction if both are tuned to the same frequency. For 
fussy work in that case, I will usually short and ground the big loop.

John A.

From w9sz at prairienet.org  Thu Jul 10 10:51:53 2008
From: w9sz at prairienet.org (Zack Widup)
Date: Thu Jul 10 10:55:06 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop
In-Reply-To: <48760935.2040207@w1tag.com>
References: <4875BB62020000C800049AB7@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<48760935.2040207@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807100946050.29731@bluestem.prairienet.org>


That looks almost identical to mine!  What circuit are you using in the 
box? Is it the capacitor switching circuit?

Do you have a photo of the transmit loop?

Zack W9SZ

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, John Andrews wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I've had no problems with the "loop in the woods," and moving it out away 
> from the trees didn't change much of anything. Picture:
> http://www.w1tag.com/pix/loop-1.jpg
>
> It is also within 10 feet of my transmit loop. As expected, there is quite a 
> bit of interaction if both are tuned to the same frequency. For fussy work in 
> that case, I will usually short and ground the big loop.
>
> John A.
>
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Jul 10 11:20:08 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Jul 10 11:22:35 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807100946050.29731@bluestem.prairienet.org>
References: <4875BB62020000C800049AB7@wpo.cso.niu.edu>	<48760935.2040207@w1tag.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807100946050.29731@bluestem.prairienet.org>
Message-ID: <487628A8.4000804@w1tag.com>

Zack,

Thief! <g> Guess there's only so much creativity that can be had with 
PVC. One way or the other you wind up with a big white cross and very 
curious neighbors...

The box in that picture has a board with eight small relays that switch 
in capacitors of 50, 100, 200, 400, etc. pF, allowing me to remote tune 
the loop. The only other component is a 1:2 transformer to couple the 
series-tuned loop to the line. The preamp is in the shack. I've had a 
project on the books for years to put a bigger box there with a 
motor-driven variable, but just have never gotten around to it.

Info on the transmit loop is at:
http://www.w1tag.com/XESANT.htm with pictures at the bottom of the page. 
Some of the information needs updating, but isn't too misleading. I 
don't have a picture of the whole loop, as it visually gets lost in the 
trees. Parts of it are easy enough to spot in the winter, though.

John A.

Zack Widup wrote:
From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 10 13:18:57 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Thu Jul 10 13:22:11 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop
Message-ID: <BLU106-W26BBD30B0AEECCA0328943C9910@phx.gbl>


>Something tells me no, that good performance would require a clear and elevated placement. If true, then by what measure and how high?
 
Peter,
 
John is basically correct in saying that elevation is not a factor - and who would doubt his excellent record of weak-signal catches. There are a couple of exceptions in loop receiving that I have noted. First, if there are any buried wires, connected or not connected, anywhere near the loop, they will tend to radiate signals (often interference) to the loop. So in this case raising the loop will help S/N. I highly recommend the technique of walking around with a 3' loop (a size that one can handle) and portable SVM (here we go again Mike :), or even your main receiver on an extension cord, to determine the lowest noise location. Secondly I have found that in the case of deep woods looping that nearby trees can have a small effect on the loop null. Tall trees can be modeled as high resistance vertical antennas, low performance ones at that, which have a associated E-field and H-field around them.
 
And another two cents worth of comment: I wish someone would do a careful investigation into the effect of receiving loop size in the 3' to 10' range for very weak signals. This would have to be a Bill Bowers type of very careful investigation similar to what he did for loading coil Q and other lowfer topics in his excellent  'Lowdown' articles. I guess I should have done a Lowdown article on all the TX loop testing (multiturn results, ground spacing results, tree effect results, etc) I did way back in the pre-TX loop days but I figured the interest would have been low because few believed in those things. 
 
That's all.....
Bill> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:33:54 -0500> From: pbarick@wpo.cso.niu.edu> To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop> > G'day gents,> > Here's a loop question on my mind.> > I'm reworking an old LF loop wooden frame for 600M. It will be almost 10 X 10Ft and near-ground mounted.> (The rebuild is adding two more support arms and refinishing the paint.)> > So Bill's loop-in-the-trees works have shown how immune such a large wire loop is to adjacent and conductive objects. Then by extension would a smaller, multi-turn loop behave in kind, ie, near trees, buildings?> > Something tells me no, that good performance would require a clear and elevated placement. If true, then by what measure and how high?> > Cheers - Peter> _______________________________________________> >From the Lowfer mailing list> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
From we0h at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 13:25:24 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Thu Jul 10 13:28:38 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop-D-Loop
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W26BBD30B0AEECCA0328943C9910@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W26BBD30B0AEECCA0328943C9910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48764604.3080700@yahoo.com>

http://www.we0h.us/505kc/RX-Loop/Portable-RX-Loop-small.jpg

That's my latest antenna build. Of course it would work nice with a 
homebrew portable SLM...

Mike
WE0H


Bill Ashlock wrote:
> Peter,
>  
> John is basically correct in saying that elevation is not a factor - and who would doubt his excellent record of weak-signal catches. There are a couple of exceptions in loop receiving that I have noted. First, if there are any buried wires, connected or not connected, anywhere near the loop, they will tend to radiate signals (often interference) to the loop. So in this case raising the loop will help S/N. I highly recommend the technique of walking around with a 3' loop (a size that one can handle) and portable SVM (here we go again Mike :), or even your main receiver on an extension cord, to determine the lowest noise location. Secondly I have found that in the case of deep woods looping that nearby trees can have a small effect on the loop null. Tall trees can be modeled as high resistance vertical antennas, low performance ones at that, which have a associated E-field and H-field around them.
>  
> And another two cents worth of comment: I wish someone would do a careful investigation into the effect of receiving loop size in the 3' to 10' range for very weak signals. This would have to be a Bill Bowers type of very careful investigation similar to what he did for loading coil Q and other lowfer topics in his excellent  'Lowdown' articles. I guess I should have done a Lowdown article on all the TX loop testing (multiturn results, ground spacing results, tree effect results, etc) I did way back in the pre-TX loop days but I figured the interest would have been low because few believed in those things. 
>  
> That's all.....
> Bill

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Jul 10 19:39:56 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Jul 10 19:43:15 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 2 Watt WOLF
Message-ID: <48769DCC.8060602@w1tag.com>

Trying a little experiment tonight -- no DX expected. XGR/3 is running 
in WOLF(10) on 508.500 kHz with 2 watts transmitter output. That's more 
than 20 dB below the usual power level. Any reports would be appreciated 
-- the signal will be on all night.

John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
From stanw1le at verizon.net  Thu Jul 10 22:00:17 2008
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Thu Jul 10 22:09:00 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 2 Watt WOLF
In-Reply-To: <48769DCC.8060602@w1tag.com>
References: <48769DCC.8060602@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <4876BEB1.4070003@verizon.net>

Hello John,

You are getting into Cape Cod   FN41sr  Sandwich   2 WT WOLF

I will grab the data and send to you in AM.

Stan, W1LE



John Andrews wrote:
> Trying a little experiment tonight -- no DX expected. XGR/3 is running 
> in WOLF(10) on 508.500 kHz with 2 watts transmitter output. That's 
> more than 20 dB below the usual power level. Any reports would be 
> appreciated -- the signal will be on all night.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG / WE2XGR/3
> _______________________________________________
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Jul 11 06:09:31 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Fri Jul 11 07:14:28 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 2 Watt WOLF
References: <48769DCC.8060602@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000301c8e33e$37ee49e0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi John, Lowfers,

I had Wolf running last evening/night hopeing for a miracle, but alas
nothing showed on the screen when I checked this morning.  Not a
surprise, really, with you only at 2 watts and a very noisy band due
to local t-storms.  Thanks for being on, just the same.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Jul 11 08:08:36 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Jul 11 08:11:23 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 2W WOLF continues...
Message-ID: <48774D44.30006@w1tag.com>

Thanks to all for the reports and tries from last night. I'm going to 
leave this thing running 24/7 for the next week with two conditions:

I will pull it down if there are thunderstorms in the central MA area.

I may switch to WSPR in the middle of next week, and leave it running in 
that mode. Will advise here in that case.

So, for the moment, it's running WOLF(10) on 508.500 kHz with 2 watts 
output into the regular WE2XGR/3 antenna.

John A.
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Fri Jul 11 23:11:16 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jul 11 23:14:37 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 & TAG WOLF
References: <000d01c8e397$9a02f0f0$7901a8c0@DELL4>
Message-ID: <003301c8e3cc$f2942dd0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

JA

Big fades on 500 kHz...static not terrible tonight. Cal abt .01 Hz.

2008-07-12 02:11:45 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-0.8 dp:107.9 ci: 7 cj:342 IKWI6XNGBED2ZH3 -
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-0.8 dp:105.5 ci: 7 cj:342 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.018 a:-1.1 dp:101.3 ci: 7 cj:342 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.029 pm:560.2 jm:276 q: -1.7 -1.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.029 pm: 1473 jm:276 q:  2.6  2.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.029 pm: 1650 jm:276 q:  2.8  2.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.029 pm: 1797 jm:276 q:  2.0  2.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 576 f:-0.029 pm: 2405 jm:276 q:  1.8  1.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -

Also, copy of TAG on 185.800 kHz...a bit more of a struggle for WOLF though.

2008-07-12 02:26:02 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.002 a:-0.4 dp: 86.2 ci: 9 cj:  3 GL0Q2.H.XUPSDN8 ?
t:  48 f: 0.873 a:-1.1 dp: 83.2 ci: 6 cj:426 VJVZ/B9WQACEMA7 ?
t:  96 f:-0.517 a: 0.7 dp: 82.2 ci:11 cj:351 X*E90GW.IDPS7TK ?
t: 192 f: 0.547 pm:13.27 jm:260 q:-12.8 -8.5 ???4/R83X9.ARP5 ?
t: 288 f:-0.254 pm:18.91 jm:422 q:-12.6 -9.5 K11GWPX.EIXE9RC ?
t: 384 f:-0.254 pm:19.69 jm:422 q:-10.9 -7.3 OY3H42NO7RUK92. ?
t: 480 f:-0.254 pm:22.57 jm:422 q: -9.7 -7.6 N.G1HUV5F*/E7ZX ?
t: 576 f:-0.254 pm:25.20 jm:422 q: -9.3 -7.7 J44U7YZH15IMIGZ ?
t: 672 f: 0.312 pm:26.01 jm:158 q: -8.4 -7.7 WH6HK*E2NAMBR0J ?
t: 768 f:-0.410 pm:29.21 jm:401 q: -7.9 -8.6 L51G5PK /K8/0BR ?
t: 864 f:-0.410 pm:29.65 jm:401 q: -7.7 -7.8 0BCQJVZ92CWLAIG ?
t: 960 f: 0.439 pm:32.05 jm:155 q: -6.4 -7.2 6J.0OYLQ72K3ZD2 ?
t:1056 f: 0.000 pm:38.49 jm:937 q: -3.8 -7.6 B39Q9D8UXCMCEPX ?
t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:84.41 jm:937 q: -2.0 -6.0 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1248 f: 0.000 pm:103.4 jm:937 q: -1.4 -5.0 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:113.4 jm:937 q: -1.0 -4.2 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1440 f: 0.000 pm:126.7 jm:938 q: -1.0 -4.9 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1536 f: 0.000 pm:132.0 jm:938 q: -0.6 -4.7 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1632 f: 0.000 pm:135.4 jm:938 q: -0.6 -4.6 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:135.9 jm:938 q: -0.5 -4.6 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1824 f: 0.000 pm:142.8 jm:938 q: -0.5 -4.0 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:143.6 jm:938 q: -0.3 -4.4 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:2016 f: 0.000 pm:146.8 jm:938 q:  0.0 -3.8 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:178.8 jm:938 q:  0.7 -2.6 TAG RAYMOND ME  -

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Jul 12 06:58:57 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Jul 12 07:02:20 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 & TAG WOLF
In-Reply-To: <003301c8e3cc$f2942dd0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <000d01c8e397$9a02f0f0$7901a8c0@DELL4>
	<003301c8e3cc$f2942dd0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <48788E71.6010708@w1tag.com>

JR,

Thanks for the check. Will be curious to see if you can copy XGR/3 
during the daylight hours.

JA

jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> JA
> 
> Big fades on 500 kHz...static not terrible tonight. Cal abt .01 Hz.
>
From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Jul 12 12:06:47 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jul 12 12:10:13 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 & TAG WOLF
References: <000d01c8e397$9a02f0f0$7901a8c0@DELL4><003301c8e3cc$f2942dd0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<48788E71.6010708@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000601c8e439$4994daa0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

JA

Looks like 2nd or 3rd line decode...

2008-07-12 11:10:52 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a: 0.1 dp: 90.3 ci:13 cj:317 IKWI6XNGBED2ZH3 -
t:  48 f:-0.022 a: 0.1 dp: 90.0 ci:13 cj:317 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 0.0 dp: 89.6 ci:13 cj:317 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:205.7 jm:327 q:  3.3  3.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:299.1 jm:327 q:  6.1  6.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:486.2 jm:327 q:  8.0  9.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm:610.4 jm:327 q:  9.6 10.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 11:19:06 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.405 a: 0.7 dp: 86.6 ci:15 cj:  1 7XRMZXU4PMELT.U ?
t:  48 f: 0.409 a: 0.4 dp: 82.5 ci:15 cj:  1 J96???VDU 1OWZ6 ?
t:  96 f:-0.020 a:-0.8 dp: 79.5 ci:14 cj:388 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:154.5 jm:185 q:  3.8  3.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:199.2 jm:185 q:  5.2  4.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:390.7 jm:185 q:  8.0  7.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm:529.3 jm:185 q:  9.5  8.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 11:27:20 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.703 a:-0.8 dp: 85.2 ci: 0 cj:  0 JWZ69. *LP*WYH6 ?
t:  48 f:-0.023 a:-1.5 dp: 85.9 ci:13 cj:459 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.022 a: 1.6 dp: 84.8 ci:13 cj:459 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:247.6 jm: 43 q:  6.1  4.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:453.0 jm: 43 q:  9.2  8.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:730.1 jm: 43 q: 11.0 10.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm:854.3 jm: 43 q: 11.3 10.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 11:35:35 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.026 a:-1.2 dp: 86.0 ci: 0 cj:  0 NQ.DDXLR2RKQ7F* ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-1.6 dp: 86.7 ci:13 cj: 50 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.5 dp: 87.9 ci:13 cj: 50 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:231.4 jm:861 q:  5.1  5.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:540.2 jm:861 q:  8.8  8.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:812.7 jm:861 q: 10.6 10.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1129 jm:861 q: 11.8 11.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 11:43:49 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a:-1.5 dp: 87.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 UELC. PRW0MV4DG ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-1.5 dp: 87.9 ci: 3 cj:123 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.2 dp: 88.1 ci: 4 cj:123 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:295.0 jm:713 q:  6.4  6.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:610.1 jm:713 q:  9.3 10.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:983.6 jm:714 q: 11.2 12.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1377 jm:714 q: 12.6 13.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 11:52:04 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a: 0.8 dp: 89.6 ci: 0 cj:  0  WFVTZ399IMWLHR ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a: 0.8 dp: 89.3 ci: 4 cj:194 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 0.9 dp: 89.7 ci: 4 cj:194 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:379.2 jm:572 q:  7.3  7.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:585.7 jm:572 q:  6.2  6.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:915.3 jm:572 q:  8.8  9.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1252 jm:572 q: 11.1 10.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:00:18 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a: 0.1 dp: 91.9 ci: 0 cj:  0 IDN1F/E1SD6GIPH ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 0.1 dp: 92.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 U8V BUI8CHAJZK* ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 0.2 dp: 91.6 ci: 6 cj:265 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:397.3 jm:430 q:  8.2  7.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:785.0 jm:430 q: 10.9 10.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1163 jm:430 q: 12.8 12.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1523 jm:430 q: 14.0 13.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:08:32 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-1.1 dp: 92.4 ci: 0 cj:  0 YG*AVKC4NDTF4I3 ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-1.2 dp: 91.8 ci: 4 cj:336 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.1 dp: 90.8 ci: 5 cj:336 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:398.6 jm:288 q:  7.7  6.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:741.9 jm:288 q: 10.3  9.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1149 jm:288 q: 12.4 11.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1536 jm:288 q: 13.8 13.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:16:46 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.019 a: 1.4 dp: 90.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 Q3LQODNY1W6L WV ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a: 1.4 dp: 92.1 ci: 5 cj:407 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.5 dp: 90.2 ci: 4 cj:407 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:369.8 jm:146 q:  6.7  6.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:716.4 jm:146 q:  9.7  9.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1040 jm:146 q: 11.4 11.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1426 jm:146 q: 13.2 12.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:25:00 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.023 a:-0.7 dp: 92.1 ci: 0 cj:  0 0PLK48EVYHVZS3N ?
t:  48 f:-0.029 a:-0.2 dp: 87.9 ci: 0 cj:  0 FM7*KTDFUS981X4 ?
t:  96 f:-0.024 a:-0.8 dp: 86.8 ci: 3 cj:478 R /EL/2K367CNWA ?
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:233.1 jm:  3 q:  4.3  4.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:639.8 jm:  3 q:  8.9  9.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:988.0 jm:  3 q: 11.3 11.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1367 jm:  3 q: 13.0 12.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:33:15 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a:-1.3 dp: 90.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 6SK7OR7HRKC7S.E ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-1.2 dp: 91.2 ci: 2 cj: 69 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.3 dp: 91.5 ci: 2 cj: 69 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:445.7 jm:821 q:  8.1  8.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:932.4 jm:821 q: 11.1 11.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1353 jm:821 q: 12.7 12.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1756 jm:821 q: 14.1 13.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:41:29 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-0.8 dp: 92.9 ci: 0 cj:  0 RHHIEYPATCGX2L* ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-0.8 dp: 93.0 ci: 0 cj:  0 OVHN9A5B3HROKV3 ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.9 dp: 93.9 ci: 1 cj:140 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:461.2 jm:679 q:  7.4  8.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:886.5 jm:679 q: 10.9 11.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1277 jm:679 q: 12.7 13.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1717 jm:679 q: 14.3 14.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:49:43 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a: 0.7 dp: 93.0 ci: 0 cj:  0 XIXM1Q4H A0JBTP ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 0.7 dp: 92.1 ci: 0 cj:  0 YX880GRNTOLOL2K ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 0.7 dp: 91.8 ci: 0 cj:211 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:390.9 jm:537 q:  7.5  7.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:798.0 jm:537 q: 10.5 10.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:920.7 jm:537 q: 10.5 10.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1386 jm:537 q: 12.5 12.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 12:57:57 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.022 a:-0.7 dp: 90.7 ci: 0 cj:  0 DCTCY3*WS3J0VRN ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-0.7 dp: 91.4 ci: 0 cj:282 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.7 dp: 92.0 ci: 0 cj:282 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:416.6 jm:395 q:  8.1  7.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:866.0 jm:395 q: 11.7 10.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1286 jm:395 q: 13.4 12.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1703 jm:395 q: 14.7 13.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:06:12 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a:-1.4 dp: 92.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 ZYI8I4KXHVJ8YKN ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-1.3 dp: 93.5 ci: 0 cj:353 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.3 dp: 93.7 ci: 0 cj:353 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:391.8 jm:253 q:  7.3  7.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:865.7 jm:253 q: 10.6 11.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1316 jm:253 q: 12.4 12.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1769 jm:253 q: 13.6 14.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:14:26 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a: 1.5 dp: 90.2 ci: 0 cj:  0 PBKSH86RSN1 FH0 ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 1.5 dp: 91.1 ci:14 cj:425 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 1.4 dp: 92.2 ci:14 cj:425 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:426.6 jm:111 q:  8.4  8.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:845.6 jm:111 q: 10.6 10.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1253 jm:111 q: 12.2 12.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1706 jm:111 q: 13.9 13.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:22:40 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a: 1.3 dp: 94.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 3*WLWWDVHAWG KO ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 1.4 dp: 94.1 ci:14 cj: 16 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 1.5 dp: 93.5 ci:14 cj: 16 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:421.9 jm:929 q:  5.0  5.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:823.2 jm:929 q:  8.9  8.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1200 jm:929 q: 10.9 11.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1630 jm:929 q: 12.7 12.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:30:54 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a: 0.8 dp: 91.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 0EB2.IA/9AQY U5 ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a: 0.8 dp: 90.1 ci: 0 cj:  0 9N39 2.6PUUFMJJ ?
t:  96 f:-0.020 a: 0.8 dp: 90.5 ci:15 cj: 87 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:370.7 jm:787 q:  6.9  7.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:745.3 jm:787 q: 10.0 10.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1119 jm:787 q: 11.6 11.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1502 jm:787 q: 13.1 13.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:39:10 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.022 a:-1.4 dp: 90.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 VB 4KRVQN.HW7TI ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-1.5 dp: 91.8 ci: 7 cj:165 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.4 dp: 91.2 ci: 7 cj:165 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:412.7 jm:630 q:  7.2  7.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:870.1 jm:630 q: 10.2 10.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1383 jm:630 q: 12.2 11.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1820 jm:630 q: 13.9 13.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:47:26 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a: 0.8 dp: 93.4 ci: 0 cj:  0  A7K6MU F N1NBP ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 0.8 dp: 92.9 ci:12 cj:244 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.020 a: 0.7 dp: 92.5 ci:12 cj:244 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:431.9 jm:473 q:  7.4  7.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:874.8 jm:473 q: 10.4 10.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1352 jm:473 q: 12.3 12.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1421 jm:473 q: 12.2 12.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 13:55:40 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.018 a:-0.8 dp: 94.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 FN6JS5D9X3XBV0I ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-0.8 dp: 93.6 ci:11 cj:315 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.020 a:-0.7 dp: 92.7 ci:11 cj:315 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:417.6 jm:330 q:  7.7  8.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:819.7 jm:330 q: 10.7 10.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1154 jm:330 q: 12.1 12.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1459 jm:330 q: 13.6 13.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:03:54 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.018 a: 1.1 dp: 91.2 ci: 0 cj:  0 X Z*KZJV14TZTO. ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 1.3 dp: 91.5 ci: 9 cj:386 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 1.2 dp: 91.2 ci: 9 cj:386 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:358.2 jm:188 q:  6.6  6.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:746.6 jm:188 q: 10.1 10.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1113 jm:188 q: 12.4 12.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1446 jm:188 q: 13.6 13.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:12:08 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.019 a:-1.2 dp: 91.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 JPH505FATEY3XZ3 ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-1.1 dp: 91.6 ci: 0 cj:  0 E9H1NIEDUEKQRAC ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.2 dp: 90.8 ci: 9 cj:457 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:333.4 jm: 46 q:  7.4  7.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:637.7 jm: 46 q: 10.1 10.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:966.2 jm: 46 q: 11.9 12.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1293 jm: 46 q: 13.4 13.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:20:22 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a: 1.1 dp: 90.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 3*HIOU.HE8LN7RI ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 1.2 dp: 90.3 ci: 8 cj: 48 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.020 a: 1.0 dp: 88.8 ci: 8 cj: 48 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:319.0 jm:864 q:  7.9  7.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:557.1 jm:864 q:  6.9  6.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:928.6 jm:864 q:  9.3  9.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1267 jm:864 q: 11.2 11.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:28:37 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a:-0.2 dp: 91.2 ci: 1 cj:  0 58U44/RX*RY1MK3 ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-0.2 dp: 91.0 ci: 1 cj:  0 NIX4F2G8SCR5X.4 ?
t:  96 f:-0.020 a:-0.3 dp: 91.8 ci: 7 cj:119 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:374.9 jm:722 q:  7.7  7.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:746.9 jm:722 q: 10.4 10.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1091 jm:722 q: 12.3 12.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1488 jm:722 q: 13.6 14.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:36:51 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.017 a: 0.6 dp: 91.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 2DGPR81F 2FKPTJ ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a: 0.8 dp: 90.1 ci: 6 cj:190 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 0.9 dp: 89.7 ci: 6 cj:190 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:308.1 jm:580 q:  6.7  6.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:685.7 jm:580 q: 10.1 10.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1052 jm:580 q: 11.8 12.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1408 jm:580 q: 12.7 13.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:45:05 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-1.4 dp: 93.2 ci: 0 cj:  0 YWHL7NJ *0J JI6 ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-1.5 dp: 91.7 ci: 6 cj:261 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.020 a:-1.5 dp: 91.6 ci: 6 cj:261 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:328.6 jm:438 q:  7.1  6.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:672.7 jm:438 q: 10.0  9.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1071 jm:438 q: 12.1 11.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1468 jm:438 q: 13.3 12.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 14:53:19 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-1.3 dp: 88.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 1992064SAA2FYJK ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-1.3 dp: 91.0 ci: 5 cj:332 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-1.4 dp: 91.8 ci: 5 cj:332 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:462.6 jm:296 q:  8.5  7.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:824.1 jm:296 q: 10.9 10.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1158 jm:296 q: 12.1 12.1 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1501 jm:296 q: 13.7 13.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:01:34 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a:-0.6 dp: 90.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 R4IHW00E*5ZVQDF ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a:-0.6 dp: 89.8 ci: 3 cj:403 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.4 dp: 88.9 ci: 3 cj:403 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:291.2 jm:153 q:  6.3  6.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:562.3 jm:154 q:  9.3  9.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:886.1 jm:154 q: 11.3 11.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1250 jm:154 q: 12.6 12.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:09:48 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.023 a:-0.5 dp: 91.1 ci: 0 cj:  0 33MR5UFW3Y.A52X ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-0.6 dp: 90.5 ci: 3 cj:474 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.6 dp: 90.6 ci: 3 cj:474 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:366.5 jm: 11 q:  8.0  7.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:711.7 jm: 11 q: 10.7 10.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm: 1100 jm: 11 q: 12.5 11.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1403 jm: 11 q: 13.9 12.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:18:02 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.024 a:-0.2 dp: 88.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 AMD686ZNZ/6RLH  ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-0.3 dp: 90.2 ci: 0 cj:  0 ???CLBGRZ9WN??? ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.4 dp: 90.7 ci: 3 cj: 65 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:347.7 jm:829 q:  6.9  7.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:655.5 jm:829 q:  9.4  9.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:946.4 jm:829 q: 11.1 11.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1229 jm:829 q: 12.5 12.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:26:16 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.019 a: 0.9 dp: 91.2 ci: 0 cj:  0 KHFYXM3OT/UKLTB ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a: 1.1 dp: 90.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 KK5T2X8KZ /HQ7K ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 1.2 dp: 89.7 ci: 2 cj:136 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:304.6 jm:687 q:  6.2  7.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:604.7 jm:687 q:  9.9 10.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:921.4 jm:687 q: 12.2 11.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1202 jm:687 q: 13.2 12.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:34:30 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.017 a: 1.2 dp: 90.6 ci: 0 cj:  0 GO7/*B/6704VCF4 ?
t:  48 f:-0.020 a: 1.4 dp: 89.6 ci: 0 cj:207 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a: 1.5 dp: 90.9 ci: 0 cj:207 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:275.9 jm:545 q:  5.8  5.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:538.0 jm:545 q:  8.9  9.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:815.6 jm:545 q: 11.0 10.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm: 1082 jm:545 q: 12.5 11.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:42:45 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.020 a:-0.1 dp: 86.4 ci: 0 cj:  0 .M0.CI6M4JAFT5L ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a: 0.0 dp: 84.9 ci: 0 cj:  0 TJ7DWVGRLVM0GEQ ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.0 dp: 87.1 ci: 0 cj:278 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:204.7 jm:403 q:  4.8  5.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:418.7 jm:403 q:  7.8  8.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:629.6 jm:403 q:  9.9  9.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm:834.5 jm:403 q: 11.2 11.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:51:00 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-0.3 dp: 87.8 ci: 0 cj:  0 CNMWWAW*IBJFWK  ?
t:  48 f:-0.021 a:-0.3 dp: 87.3 ci: 2 cj:354 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.4 dp: 86.8 ci: 2 cj:354 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:212.2 jm:251 q:  2.9  2.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:467.9 jm:251 q:  7.3  7.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:708.3 jm:251 q:  9.8  9.6 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 480 f:-0.020 pm:965.8 jm:251 q: 11.1 11.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
2008-07-12 15:59:15 >WOLF10  -r 8000.980 -f 800 -t 1.0 -d 4 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.021 a:-0.3 dp: 86.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 X89REN992AIGCR5 ?
t:  48 f:-0.022 a:-0.3 dp: 86.3 ci: 0 cj:  0 S0TPA7YHJ???JSN ?
t:  96 f:-0.021 a:-0.4 dp: 87.8 ci: 2 cj:430 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:217.6 jm: 99 q:  4.8  5.8 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:420.0 jm: 99 q:  8.0  8.7 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 384 f:-0.020 pm:653.8 jm: 99 q: 10.4 10.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -


JR


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] XGR/3 & TAG WOLF


> JR,
>
> Thanks for the check. Will be curious to see if you can copy XGR/3 during 
> the daylight hours.
>
> JA
>
> jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
>> JA
>>
>> Big fades on 500 kHz...static not terrible tonight. Cal abt .01 Hz.
>>
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Jul 12 15:36:16 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Jul 12 15:39:51 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 & TAG WOLF
In-Reply-To: <000601c8e439$4994daa0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <000d01c8e397$9a02f0f0$7901a8c0@DELL4><003301c8e3cc$f2942dd0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>	<48788E71.6010708@w1tag.com>
	<000601c8e439$4994daa0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <487907B0.8050001@w1tag.com>

JR,

Nice copy. I'm up in Maine, using the TAG loop for receive, and am 
getting first line decode of XGR/3 in the mid-afternoon. Can see the 
signal on the waterfall.

Tnx.

JA

jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> JA
> 
> Looks like 2nd or 3rd line decode...

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Jul 12 15:41:12 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat Jul 12 15:44:59 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Lowfer TAG off until July 20
Message-ID: <487908D8.7090406@w1tag.com>

TAG will be off the air for the next week, but will return on July 20.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From ve2iq at magma.ca  Sat Jul 12 22:40:14 2008
From: ve2iq at magma.ca (Bill de Carle)
Date: Sat Jul 12 22:43:34 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 2W WOLF continues...
In-Reply-To: <48774D44.30006@w1tag.com>
References: <48774D44.30006@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080712223531.00ed0868@magma.ca>

At 08:08 AM 7/11/2008, John wrote:
>Thanks to all for the reports and tries from last night. I'm going 
>to leave this thing running 24/7 for the next week with two conditions:
>
>I will pull it down if there are thunderstorms in the central MA area.
>
>I may switch to WSPR in the middle of next week, and leave it 
>running in that mode. Will advise here in that case.
>
>So, for the moment, it's running WOLF(10) on 508.500 kHz with 2 
>watts output into the regular WE2XGR/3 antenna.

This was first night I tried for it.  My big computer's switching 
supply makes a lot of racket on 508.5 so I had to record the signal 
in half-hour blocks using a quiet laptop (which can't run the GUI 
version).  Just processed the recordings on big machine and lo - 
there you are.  Nothing much seen early in the evening but around 10 
pm EDT you peaked up nicely.  Good copy into Westmeath Ontario.
Bill VE2IQ

WOLF version 0.61
t:  24 f:-0.002 a: 0.5 dp: 77.5 ci: 3 cj:256 WLBXY95OO9QJWSD ?
t:  48 f: 0.042 a: 0.3 dp: 76.6 ci: 1 cj:178 /8WW9ZQRV1ICMU8 ?
t:  96 f: 0.041 a: 0.5 dp: 79.7 ci:10 cj:274 AF*T*8EFLI7 /YL ?
t: 192 f:-0.254 pm:    4 jm:277 q:-14.7 -8.4 QBXUJ209AEHJL*V ?
t: 288 f: 0.215 pm:    6 jm:923 q:-13.0 -7.3 K39B4DPQUZPDXH2 ?
t: 384 f:-0.078 pm:    7 jm:244 q:-11.7 -6.8 Z/YSPDRXT VSVPJ ?
t: 480 f:-0.039 pm:   13 jm:601 q: -5.6 -7.4 ZHM09QMC.???HI4 ?
t: 576 f:-0.039 pm:   27 jm:601 q: -3.7 -5.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 672 f:-0.039 pm:   42 jm:601 q: -1.9 -3.2 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 768 f:-0.039 pm:   49 jm:601 q: -1.6 -2.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 864 f:-0.039 pm:   64 jm:601 q: -0.6 -1.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t: 960 f:-0.039 pm:   72 jm:601 q: -0.3 -1.4 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1056 f:-0.039 pm:   83 jm:601 q:  0.1 -1.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1152 f:-0.039 pm:   84 jm:601 q: -0.1 -1.9 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1248 f:-0.039 pm:   85 jm:601 q: -0.4 -2.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1344 f:-0.039 pm:   90 jm:601 q: -0.7 -2.5 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1440 f:-0.039 pm:   92 jm:601 q: -0.8 -3.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1536 f:-0.039 pm:  105 jm:601 q: -0.5 -3.0 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -
t:1632 f:-0.039 pm:  106 jm:601 q: -0.5 -3.3 WE2XGR/3 2 WATT -

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Jul 13 18:55:42 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun Jul 13 18:59:20 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 2W WOLF continues...
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080712223531.00ed0868@magma.ca>
References: <48774D44.30006@w1tag.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080712223531.00ed0868@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <487A87EE.6050905@w1tag.com>

Bill,

Bill de Carle wrote:

> This was first night I tried for it.  My big computer's switching supply 
> makes a lot of racket on 508.5 so I had to record the signal in 
> half-hour blocks using a quiet laptop (which can't run the GUI 
> version).  Just processed the recordings on big machine and lo - there 
> you are.  Nothing much seen early in the evening but around 10 pm EDT 
> you peaked up nicely.  Good copy into Westmeath Ontario.

Thanks for the nice report -- sorry for the slow response, but we had a 
family gathering here at the Maine QTH today, and there was no radio time!

That's a good haul for such a small signal -- speaks more for WOLF than 
anything you or I did! At 130 miles, I can just barely hear it in Maine 
during the daytime, and it's quite loud on peaks at night. Daytime copy 
is excellent, with decodes on the first or second line. But you're quite 
a bit farther away, and somewhat off-axis for the xmit loop, so it's 
nice to see the skywave doing its thing.

JA

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Jul 13 18:58:05 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun Jul 13 19:01:43 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off until Monday night
Message-ID: <487A887D.9010509@w1tag.com>

With expected storms over the next day, XGR/3 will be off until things 
clear out on Monday. It should then be on 24/7 for a few days at least.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 14 02:39:16 2008
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Mon Jul 14 02:43:20 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SSTV Program?
References: <33388682.1281841215628274675.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <007801c8e57c$678a9560$4b66f504@ELNkk7rc>

What was the SSTV program we played with on LW several years ago?

I think it was made by a fellow in Italy?

Kurt
From k2ors at verizon.net  Mon Jul 14 13:27:38 2008
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors@verizon.net)
Date: Mon Jul 14 13:31:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SSTV Program
Message-ID: <9204256.2780361216056459059.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net>


Kurt,

     Bill A. and I used MMSSTV on 500kHz last autumn, best dx for me was Ohio with 100 watts.

http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/mmsstv/


73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 14 16:50:54 2008
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Mon Jul 14 17:10:06 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] SSTV Program
References: <9204256.2780361216056459059.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <015701c8e5f5$7ad6b9e0$4b67f504@ELNkk7rc>

I've played with that one.  I should have been more specific.  The SSTV
program, SS being relative, was a small window, about the size of a playing
card that could be placed over another screen on your computer and would
create a soudcard output at a handfull of frames per second.  It was very
basic, just run the program and drag the box over what you wanted to show.
There was brief experimentation of the program in the LowFER community five
or six years ago.

Kurt

----- Original Message -----
From: <k2ors@verizon.net>

Bill A. and I used MMSSTV on 500kHz last autumn, best dx for me was Ohio
with 100 watts.

From we0h at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 14 17:31:50 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Mon Jul 14 17:35:31 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Beacon on 506.25kc CW right now
Message-ID: <487BC5C6.3010802@yahoo.com>

I turned on my CW beacon a bit ago on 506.25kc, if anyone local wants to 
listen. A bit more power and a new keyer running today. Should be easy 
copy 100-150 miles from Minneapolis.

Mike
WE0H
WD2XSH/16
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Mon Jul 14 18:55:52 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Mon Jul 14 18:59:36 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 QRP WOLF Again
Message-ID: <487BD978.6040005@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 is back in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz, currently with 2 watts 
output. I will do some lower power experiments during the day on 
Tuesday, but will return to 2 watts for the nights. Will be on 24/7 
until further notice.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 23:17:52 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Mon Jul 14 23:21:42 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 QRP WOLF Again
In-Reply-To: <487BD978.6040005@w1tag.com>
References: <487BD978.6040005@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807142017x122d62dfha67b6bfa10dec781@mail.gmail.com>

Took a look tonite and got a lil copy.
de Lloyd W3NF

2008-07-15 02:42:54 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.381 a: 0.7 dp: 84.6 ci:13 cj:108 6Y7CQIEA8HY4.*X ?
t:  48 f: 0.955 a: 1.2 dp: 82.4 ci:11 cj:357 J1ANV4WRQH.*GHB -
t:  96 f: 0.492 a: 0.4 dp: 81.4 ci:11 cj:223 73.YMQSOE?????? ?
t: 192 f: 0.039 pm:9.675 jm:444 q:-13.5 -8.4 NHP6NH0EMUD9CX7 ?
t: 288 f: 0.215 pm:13.57 jm: 34 q:-12.7 -9.1 SSRX7B627*KRKAL ?
t: 384 f: 0.127 pm:15.49 jm:348 q: -9.4 -8.8 T7FUC.GX6MG84XI ?
t: 480 f: 0.127 pm:16.99 jm:348 q: -9.1 -8.3 8ARTJ2LOWC6CDVN ?
t: 576 f:-0.322 pm:18.65 jm:826 q: -9.6 -8.6 E4RMR.4PJXN5SVP ?
t: 672 f:-0.498 pm:26.11 jm:223 q: -5.5 -7.6 F*SGE8ZVCE6Y78X ?
t: 768 f:-0.498 pm:31.85 jm:223 q: -4.4 -6.0 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 864 f:-0.498 pm:66.40 jm:223 q: -2.0 -3.9 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 960 f:-0.498 pm:112.1 jm:223 q:  0.3 -1.4 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1056 f:-0.498 pm:170.4 jm:223 q:  1.7  0.7 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1152 f:-0.498 pm:172.0 jm:223 q:  2.0  1.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1248 f:-0.498 pm:172.1 jm:223 q:  1.8  1.1 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1344 f:-0.498 pm:173.2 jm:223 q:  1.6  0.7 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1440 f:-0.498 pm:174.0 jm:223 q:  1.4  0.7 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1536 f:-0.498 pm:175.7 jm:223 q:  1.4  0.4 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1632 f:-0.498 pm:175.8 jm:223 q:  1.3  0.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1728 f:-0.498 pm:176.8 jm:223 q:  1.1 -0.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1824 f:-0.498 pm:187.5 jm:223 q:  1.3 -0.6 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t:1920 f:-0.498 pm:188.4 jm:223 q:  1.2 -1.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -


On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:55 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 is back in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz, currently with 2 watts
> output. I will do some lower power experiments during the day on Tuesday,
> but will return to 2 watts for the nights. Will be on 24/7 until further
> notice.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 22:28:28 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Tue Jul 15 22:32:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Wolf 2W
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807151928k1abb773cqa84257145e14dcf6@mail.gmail.com>

Another copy tonite hr
de Lloyd W3NF

2008-07-16 01:50:48 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.485 a:-1.6 dp: 81.2 ci:14 cj:367 G9G6QL7NI6KY.V  ?
t:  48 f: 0.768 a: 1.4 dp: 78.6 ci: 0 cj:254 15N7G5XU/8P39T. ?
t:  96 f:-0.926 a:-1.1 dp: 80.8 ci:15 cj:411 QH76KSTX31OVMFH ?
t: 192 f: 0.293 pm:43.95 jm:657 q: -6.4 -6.1 W4BFOH1HWT WOLF -
t: 288 f: 0.293 pm:48.82 jm:657 q: -5.8 -8.4 OAW*W9E6BWD4767 ?
t: 384 f: 0.293 pm:49.63 jm:657 q: -5.3 -7.8 7EXTNJHBWT WOLF ?
t: 480 f: 0.293 pm:55.54 jm:657 q: -4.6 -5.6 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 576 f: 0.293 pm:114.2 jm:657 q: -2.1 -2.5 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 672 f: 0.293 pm:128.7 jm:657 q: -1.0 -1.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 768 f: 0.293 pm:145.6 jm:657 q:  0.0 -0.6 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 864 f: 0.293 pm:153.3 jm:657 q:  0.1 -0.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
t: 960 f: 0.293 pm:155.3 jm:657 q:  0.5 -0.1 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
From chejmw at buffalo.edu  Wed Jul 16 11:30:21 2008
From: chejmw at buffalo.edu (James M. Walker)
Date: Wed Jul 16 11:34:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] 500 KC "Road Trip"
Message-ID: <30A229F0D0734A47AF48255729297E82@ESHOP1>

Greetings,
Starting Wednesday 23 July, 2008. WB2FCN/WD2XSH-22 will be in
MOBILE receive mode while traveling from Grand Island, NY to
Lithonia, GA. Route will take me through Ohio the long way,
then Kentucky, Tennessee, and into the mountains of North
Georgia. Will be there for approx. 5 days. Then back to WNY
by reverse route Starting in Columbia SC, through NC, VA
MD PA and back to NY state. That is a large loop around the 
eastern portion of the US.

The system will be the SS NE602 receiver, with the AMRAD probe
Attached to the trailer hitch mount, approximately 12 feet off the highway.
I will have a laptop runnig the ARGO program, and I will have it in
capture mode for the full time that traveling is taking place. I will
keep track of where I am when signals, (IF ANY) are copied my
"Co-Pilot" will be helping with the logging functions.

When stationary the receiver will be the RYCOM R-1307A/GR,
as my Large inverter system generates noise in most of the receivers.

Just a heads up, I will also have email access, and check-in with
a signals heard report when possible.

Jim
WB2FCN


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul 16 15:41:02 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul 16 15:45:07 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Wolf 2W
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0807151928k1abb773cqa84257145e14dcf6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f80819e0807151928k1abb773cqa84257145e14dcf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487E4ECE.7050701@w1tag.com>

Lloyd,

Thanks for the reports. Looks like you had the sampling rate nailed 
better for the GUI version, but both were good copy for the QRP involved.

JA

lloyd chastant wrote:
> Another copy tonite hr
> de Lloyd W3NF
> 
> 2008-07-16 01:50:48 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
> t:  24 f:-0.485 a:-1.6 dp: 81.2 ci:14 cj:367 G9G6QL7NI6KY.V  ?
> t:  48 f: 0.768 a: 1.4 dp: 78.6 ci: 0 cj:254 15N7G5XU/8P39T. ?
> t:  96 f:-0.926 a:-1.1 dp: 80.8 ci:15 cj:411 QH76KSTX31OVMFH ?
> t: 192 f: 0.293 pm:43.95 jm:657 q: -6.4 -6.1 W4BFOH1HWT WOLF -
> t: 288 f: 0.293 pm:48.82 jm:657 q: -5.8 -8.4 OAW*W9E6BWD4767 ?
> t: 384 f: 0.293 pm:49.63 jm:657 q: -5.3 -7.8 7EXTNJHBWT WOLF ?
> t: 480 f: 0.293 pm:55.54 jm:657 q: -4.6 -5.6 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
> t: 576 f: 0.293 pm:114.2 jm:657 q: -2.1 -2.5 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
> t: 672 f: 0.293 pm:128.7 jm:657 q: -1.0 -1.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
> t: 768 f: 0.293 pm:145.6 jm:657 q:  0.0 -0.6 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
> t: 864 f: 0.293 pm:153.3 jm:657 q:  0.1 -0.2 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
> t: 960 f: 0.293 pm:155.3 jm:657 q:  0.5 -0.1 XGR/3 2 WT WOLF -
> _______________________________________________
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> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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> 
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul 16 15:49:56 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul 16 15:54:04 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On
Message-ID: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 has switched over to WSPR mode around 1930 UTC. Thanks to all 
who submitted the WOLF reports. I have been watching it from Maine 
during the daytime at various QRP levels down to 20 mw and the results 
have been interesting.

The rig will remain in WSPR mode for the rest of the week, Thor 
permitting. Set your receiver to 507.0 kHz, USB. The signal will be at 
1500 Hz (i.e., 508.5 kHz). Power level is 2 watts output, and I won't be 
  playing with it. I have a local gremlin here in Maine around 507.5 
kHz, and it would keep me from playing with real QRP.

WSPR software can be downloaded from K1JT's site:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/

Be sure that your PC's clock is set within 1 second of real time.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Jul 16 22:28:41 2008
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jul 16 22:32:33 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On
References: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c8e7b4$d3dd89e0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

JA

080717 0156  14 -17   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  638  0.0 
0.6
080717 0158  15 -16   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  481  0.0 
0.8
080717 0200  13 -19   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     2  157  0.4 
0.6
080717 0202  14 -19   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  476  0.4 
0.6
080717 0204  12 -18   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0    23  -90  0.0 
1.6
080717 0208  14 -16   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  408  0.4 
0.7
080717 0210  17 -15   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  450  0.4 
0.7
080717 0212  14 -18   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0    35  -95  0.4 
0.7
080717 0214  14 -18   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  471  0.4 
0.7
080717 0216  11 -21   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  301  0.0 
0.7
080717 0218  11 -20   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  213  0.0 
0.9
080717 0220  13 -18   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     3   48  0.0 
1.4
080717 0222  12 -19   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0   771 -390  0.0 
1.3
080717 0224  13 -19   1.3   0.137577  W1TAG FN42 33    0     1  526  0.4 
0.5

JR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: <shmrg@piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>; "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, 
European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:49 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On


> WE2XGR/3 has switched over to WSPR mode around 1930 UTC. Thanks to all who 
> submitted the WOLF reports. I have been watching it from Maine during the 
> daytime at various QRP levels down to 20 mw and the results have been 
> interesting.
>
> The rig will remain in WSPR mode for the rest of the week, Thor 
> permitting. Set your receiver to 507.0 kHz, USB. The signal will be at 
> 1500 Hz (i.e., 508.5 kHz). Power level is 2 watts output, and I won't be 
> playing with it. I have a local gremlin here in Maine around 507.5 kHz, 
> and it would keep me from playing with real QRP.
>
> WSPR software can be downloaded from K1JT's site:
> http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/
>
> Be sure that your PC's clock is set within 1 second of real time.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
> _______________________________________________
>>From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer 

From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 22:48:11 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed Jul 16 22:52:05 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On
In-Reply-To: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>
References: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807161948l52cc3a78oe6a27ae8a23ea409@mail.gmail.com>

Copy hr and posted on the WSPR site
de Lloyd W3NF

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:49 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 has switched over to WSPR mode around 1930 UTC. Thanks to all who
> submitted the WOLF reports. I have been watching it from Maine during the
> daytime at various QRP levels down to 20 mw and the results have been
> interesting.
>
> The rig will remain in WSPR mode for the rest of the week, Thor permitting.
> Set your receiver to 507.0 kHz, USB. The signal will be at 1500 Hz (i.e.,
> 508.5 kHz). Power level is 2 watts output, and I won't be  playing with it.
> I have a local gremlin here in Maine around 507.5 kHz, and it would keep me
> from playing with real QRP.
>
> WSPR software can be downloaded from K1JT's site:
> http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/
>
> Be sure that your PC's clock is set within 1 second of real time.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Jul 17 09:01:40 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Jul 17 09:05:41 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0807161948l52cc3a78oe6a27ae8a23ea409@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807161948l52cc3a78oe6a27ae8a23ea409@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487F42B4.9080906@w1tag.com>

Lloyd, Jay,

Thanks for the WSPR reports. Lloyd - your copy didn't make it to the 
list. XGR/3 will continue with WSPR.

I'm seeing a 20 dB range of signal strength here in Maine. Copy appears 
to be solid day and night.

John A.


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Thu Jul 17 09:14:35 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Thu Jul 17 09:18:43 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] LF/MF Groundwave Comparison
Message-ID: <487F45BB.1020007@w1tag.com>

What follows is not exceptionally scientific, but may be of interest.

I ran some daytime low power WOLF tests on 508.5 kHz earlier in the 
week. Looking back through my notes, I did some similar tests on 136.3 
kHz, again during the day, at this time of year in 2005. Over this 130 
mile path, the results were very similar. 50 milliwatts consistently 
produced copy on the same line number in both cases. The same transmit 
and receive loop antennas were used on both bands, with appropriate 
tuning networks.

This indicates that with my xmit/receive setups, the groundwave signal 
to noise ratio must be similar at the two frequencies. Note that there 
is an estimated 27 dB higher groundwave path loss at 508.5 vs 136.3 kHz. 
The results probably point to better antenna performance and lower noise 
at 508.5 kHz.

Just one other observation: I could get reliable mid-day copy over this 
path using WOLF and 20 milliwatts output power. Not bad!

John Andrews, W1TAG

From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 23:08:14 2008
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Thu Jul 17 23:12:14 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On
In-Reply-To: <487F42B4.9080906@w1tag.com>
References: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807161948l52cc3a78oe6a27ae8a23ea409@mail.gmail.com>
	<487F42B4.9080906@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <2f80819e0807172008y20ca0b1ck73b4f88a5b64bee5@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I had 2 spots (but copied more)
look at

http://wsprnet.org/meptspots.php?mode=html&band=2190&limit=50&findcall=&findreporter=w3nf&sort=Date

and put W3NF in the ..Show Spots heard By...
de Lloyd



On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:01 PM, John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com> wrote:
> Lloyd, Jay,
>
> Thanks for the WSPR reports. Lloyd - your copy didn't make it to the list.
> XGR/3 will continue with WSPR.
>
> I'm seeing a 20 dB range of signal strength here in Maine. Copy appears to
> be solid day and night.
>
> John A.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>>
>> From the Lowfer mailing list
>
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>
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Jul 18 07:24:37 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Fri Jul 18 08:28:48 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Tube amplifier website
Message-ID: <001001c8e8c8$f0357e80$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hello Lowfers,

I've somehow lost the URL to a site which featured a multi-tube,
untuned RF amplifier for the 136-137 kHz. band.  Can anyone
on this list point me in the right direction to it?  Tnx in advance.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle



From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Jul 18 08:53:47 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Jul 18 08:57:55 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 WOLF Off & WSPR On
In-Reply-To: <2f80819e0807172008y20ca0b1ck73b4f88a5b64bee5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487E50E4.8030003@w1tag.com>	<2f80819e0807161948l52cc3a78oe6a27ae8a23ea409@mail.gmail.com>	<487F42B4.9080906@w1tag.com>
	<2f80819e0807172008y20ca0b1ck73b4f88a5b64bee5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4880925B.5050301@w1tag.com>

Lloyd,

I looked at that site this morning and saw your reports. Looks like W1XP 
has been monitoring the signal regularly as well, but he's pretty close 
to my home QTH.

Thanks.

John A.


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 18 09:39:49 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri Jul 18 09:43:54 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise
Message-ID: <386769.16944.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello LOWfers:

I have a question, that someone probably has the answer for. I built the LOWfer xmtr using the 2222 / 2907 pair in the PA. The issue is that the 2N2907A is getting very hot under keydown.
The 2N2222A just barely gets warm. The xmtr is working ( apparently ). Running into a 50 ohm dummy load, with 18 volts on the PA, I'm drawing around 77mA of PA current. I can hear the signal about a mile away on a portable radio, while xmit-ing on my LOWfer vertical, so I know the xmtr is generating RF. I am concerned about that one transistor getting so hot. It's not blown out so far, even after days of continous keydown ( burn-in I'll call it ). I've checked all the parts layout, and the parts themselves for defects, all is fine. This may be a normal condition
with this type of PA layout, I'm not sure since this is my first LOWfer xmtr built. I would assume though that each transistor should be about the same temperature. Anyone else experience this, or have any thoughts ??  Thanks for your time: 

Andy - KU4XR


      
From k2ors at verizon.net  Fri Jul 18 11:10:23 2008
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors@verizon.net)
Date: Fri Jul 18 11:14:41 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Tube amplifier website
Message-ID: <16367674.1231941216393824245.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>

J.B,

   Go to:

http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm

Scroll down to the picture LX1PD's tube amplifier and click on the picture, you will be able to get the schematic etc in zipped form.



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From chejmw at buffalo.edu  Fri Jul 18 12:15:24 2008
From: chejmw at buffalo.edu (James M. Walker)
Date: Fri Jul 18 12:19:29 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise
References: <386769.16944.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <492244E9F278432C8CC2D208A8D0F9CD@ESHOP1>

Whenever I design in the 2N2907A I always put a solid heatsink on the
thing. Not the flaky "thin fins jobby" but the solid aluminum, about the 
same
height as the transistor, and multi-ribbed.

I have found that they run warm in RF service as Xmit output devices. There
are several other low cost devices that will also give same power output at
these freqs. Most of them also run warm. FWIW.

Jim
WB2FCN


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy - KU4XR" <ku4xr@yahoo.com>
To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise


> Hello LOWfers:
>
> I have a question, that someone probably has the answer for. I built the 
> LOWfer xmtr using the 2222 / 2907 pair in the PA. The issue is that the 
> 2N2907A is getting very hot under keydown.
> The 2N2222A just barely gets warm. The xmtr is working ( apparently ). 
> Running into a 50 ohm dummy load, with 18 volts on the PA, I'm drawing 
> around 77mA of PA current. I can hear the signal about a mile away on a 
> portable radio, while xmit-ing on my LOWfer vertical, so I know the xmtr 
> is generating RF. I am concerned about that one transistor getting so hot. 
> It's not blown out so far, even after days of continous keydown ( burn-in 
> I'll call it ). I've checked all the parts layout, and the parts 
> themselves for defects, all is fine. This may be a normal condition
> with this type of PA layout, I'm not sure since this is my first LOWfer 
> xmtr built. I would assume though that each transistor should be about the 
> same temperature. Anyone else experience this, or have any thoughts ?? 
> Thanks for your time:
>
> Andy - KU4XR
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>>From the Lowfer mailing list
> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>
>
> 


From we0h at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 18 16:31:41 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Fri Jul 18 16:35:47 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise
In-Reply-To: <386769.16944.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <386769.16944.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4880FDAD.7000701@yahoo.com>

I had the same issue with my Lowfer transmitter. Bill Ashlock has the 
part numbers of transistor's that run at equal temps. I don't remember 
what they are but they do work well and are a better match than the 
2907/2222 combo.

Mike
WE0H


Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> Hello LOWfers:
>
> I have a question, that someone probably has the answer for. I built the LOWfer xmtr using the 2222 / 2907 pair in the PA. The issue is that the 2N2907A is getting very hot under keydown.
> The 2N2222A just barely gets warm. The xmtr is working ( apparently ). Running into a 50 ohm dummy load, with 18 volts on the PA, I'm drawing around 77mA of PA current. I can hear the signal about a mile away on a portable radio, while xmit-ing on my LOWfer vertical, so I know the xmtr is generating RF. I am concerned about that one transistor getting so hot. It's not blown out so far, even after days of continous keydown ( burn-in I'll call it ). I've checked all the parts layout, and the parts themselves for defects, all is fine. This may be a normal condition
> with this type of PA layout, I'm not sure since this is my first LOWfer xmtr built. I would assume though that each transistor should be about the same temperature. Anyone else experience this, or have any thoughts ??  Thanks for your time: 
>
> Andy - KU4XR
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Jul 18 16:41:03 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Jul 18 16:45:21 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise
In-Reply-To: <386769.16944.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <386769.16944.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4880FFDF.4090804@w1tag.com>

Andy,

That circuit is intended to produce a nice square wave, with one 
transistor turned on and the other turned off at any time. If there is 
an overlap, heating will result, and the amplifier's efficiency will go 
down. If you have a scope, particularly a dual-trace model, you may want 
to poke around. With a 50 ohm resistive load, any deviation from a 50% 
duty cycle square wave should be obvious.

If you look at the schematic at:
http://www.w1tag.com/tagtx.htm
you will notice two extra diodes at the transistor bases. These were 
suggested by Bill Ashlock, and may be worth a try.

Another approach would be to use an MPS6652 for the PNP transistor, and 
an MPS6602 for the NPN. Despite what my schematic shows, that's what I 
have been using for the last several years, again at Bill's suggestion. 
The current gains of both parts are higher, and better matched, as Mike 
mentioned.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Jul 18 16:16:30 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Fri Jul 18 17:21:17 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Tube amplifier website
References: <16367674.1231941216393824245.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <001101c8e913$5271cfa0$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hi Warren, Lowfers,

That's the site!!  Many thanks...I'll double bookmark it
this time so I don't loose it again!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


From w1tag at w1tag.com  Fri Jul 18 19:33:20 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Fri Jul 18 19:37:31 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 Off
Message-ID: <48812840.40908@w1tag.com>

WE2XGR/3 is now off until Sunday night at the earliest. Thanks to all 
for the reports this week.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From stanw1le at verizon.net  Fri Jul 18 21:22:50 2008
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Fri Jul 18 21:30:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] XGR/3 Off
In-Reply-To: <48812840.40908@w1tag.com>
References: <48812840.40908@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <488141EA.4040604@verizon.net>

Hello John,

NO WSPR copy here with either V1.00 or V0.7.

Set up did work, with the beacons on the 10 MHz band...

Stan, W1LE   FN41sr    Cape Cod





John Andrews wrote:
> WE2XGR/3 is now off until Sunday night at the earliest. Thanks to all 
> for the reports this week.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net
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>

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 21 13:53:26 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon Jul 21 13:58:02 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] LOWfer xmtr parts kits - 2 left - speak fast
Message-ID: <125769.20700.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey everybody !! hope you're having a great summer so far; Here's an update on my LOWfer parts kits:

I only have 2 parts kits left, However I can scrounge up the parts for 4 more kits if I get enough requests for them. Contact me by email as soon as possible, if you want to order one. They're easy to build, and work like they're supposed to, when you get all the parts values right. This is an inexpensive way to build your first LOWfer transmitter, or a standby unit

I am offering ( at a very small cost ) to anyone who needs them, some basic parts for a Lyle Kohler design LOWfer transmitter. The parts kit will include the Non-Common parts that you can't run down to the local Radio Shack store and pickup. The cost is $ 10.00 ,Plus $ 2.00 for shipping, ( U.S. of course ).  
The kit includes the following parts.
1 - Epson SG531, 4 pin, Dip-8 + 5 volt Oscillator chip, Clock Frequency is 1.8432 MHz
1 - M74HC4017 Johnson decade counter +5 volt chip Dip-16 ( divide by 10 ). This will put the Epson oscillator at 184.320KHz +/- 1 cycle, very stable frequency output
1 - LM7805 3 pin +5volt Regulator @ 1.5 amps
2 - 2N2222ATAR ,and /2 - 2N2907 transistors, 1 set plus a spare set of finals.
3 - 8 pin IC Sockets for easy replacement of Osc. and Counter chips. 2 of the 8 pin sockets are placed end to end to make a 16 pin socket
2 - 3 pin transistor sockets for the finals. Makes replacement much quicker when finals blow out

NOTE: All the parts are brand new, and I checked each oscillator to make sure it works. None of these are junk box specials.

With this parts kit, and a trip to Radio Shack, ( and probably your junk box ), You can put together a nice LOWfer transmitter for this winter monitoring season.

73, and enjoy building:  Andy - KU4XR




      
From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 24 17:33:47 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Thu Jul 24 17:38:27 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise
Message-ID: <BLU106-W46DA1C12831148BF52F74AC9870@phx.gbl>


Andy,
 
If you use the correct drive levels to your output 2222/2907 transistors and you are using a correct load the transistors will not get hot at the 1w output level. My circuit, that JA mentioned, has limiting diodes that help reduce the criticality of the base drive. 
 
You didn't mention checking the waveforms on a scope. I highly recommend this. Are you using a filter at the output? If so, remove it, at least for this test. (You will also be amazed with how a filter messes up the squareness of the output waveform) The typical filter must have a resistive, wideband, load to function properly and this is not the case for a lowfer antenna which loads only one frequency. BTW, I have never experienced an interference problem in many years of filterless operation. 
 
If you are using a load resistor, only, for your bench test the resistor is seeing the upper harmonics of the square wave and will consume more power than a typical lowfer high-Q antenna having the same effective resistive load. For bench testing build a dummy antenna consisting of a resistor, a coil, and a capacitor that have approx the same values that your antenna has. The resistor includes the total AC resistance in your antenna's ground system and loading coil and is also adjusted to accommodate the AC resistance of the bench loading coil. You may have to do some guessing, here, but you should be able to zero in on the correct value once you reconnect your antenna and compare load currents.
 
Let us know if this works.
 
Bill> From: chejmw@buffalo.edu> To: ku4xr@yahoo.com; lowfer@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:15:24 -0400> CC: > > Whenever I design in the 2N2907A I always put a solid heatsink on the> thing. Not the flaky "thin fins jobby" but the solid aluminum, about the > same> height as the transistor, and multi-ribbed.> > I have found that they run warm in RF service as Xmit output devices. There> are several other low cost devices that will also give same power output at> these freqs. Most of them also run warm. FWIW.> > Jim> WB2FCN> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy - KU4XR" <ku4xr@yahoo.com>> To: <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:39 AM> Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise> > > > Hello LOWfers:> >> > I have a question, that someone probably has the answer for. I built the > > LOWfer xmtr using the 2222 / 2907 pair in the PA. The issue is that the > > 2N2907A is getting very hot under keydown.> > The 2N2222A just barely gets warm. The xmtr is working ( apparently ). > > Running into a 50 ohm dummy load, with 18 volts on the PA, I'm drawing > > around 77mA of PA current. I can hear the signal about a mile away on a > > portable radio, while xmit-ing on my LOWfer vertical, so I know the xmtr > > is generating RF. I am concerned about that one transistor getting so hot. > > It's not blown out so far, even after days of continous keydown ( burn-in > > I'll call it ). I've checked all the parts layout, and the parts > > themselves for defects, all is fine. This may be a normal condition> > with this type of PA layout, I'm not sure since this is my first LOWfer > > xmtr built. I would assume though that each transistor should be about the > > same temperature. Anyone else experience this, or have any thoughts ?? > > Thanks for your time:> >> > Andy - KU4XR> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> >>From the Lowfer mailing list> > Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> > To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________> >From the Lowfer mailing list> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Thu Jul 24 18:09:58 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Thu Jul 24 18:14:47 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] New Loop - Testing
Message-ID: <4888B766020000C80004B464@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

Hi All,
Re: Building New Loop Antenna

Spent the last weeks building a bigger loop for 600M listening. It's 12 foot SQ. One turn is 42 feet. I had an old wooden cross frame and by extending it and adding 2 more x-arms it turned into a Monster. So named because now it's almost too big for one adult to handle. Mostly made of 2X2s, 'cuz that's what I had lying about. It now sits in a mount out back and can be turned manually. Latex painting and drying added to the frame building time.

Finished it today. But before I wound it I did a test with scrap wire. 2 turns produced 70 uH. How about that L?

Just had to see what it was hearing. I hooked up a tuning unit from a 5-foot loop and with about 750 pF it tunes the lower BC band. Great stuff coming in there. No amp used. As is, tuning rx down to about 450 several NDBs are heard but other noise falls off as expected.

Planning on wraping 7 or 8 turns in finished form. Not sure how to get all that wire up and not having turns fall of. S/B fun.

Peter
From we0h at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 24 20:41:23 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Thu Jul 24 20:46:07 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] New Loop - Testing
In-Reply-To: <4888B766020000C80004B464@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <4888B766020000C80004B464@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <48892133.1040009@yahoo.com>

Sounds like a giant fly swatter  :-)

Mike


Peter Barick wrote:
> Hi All,
> Re: Building New Loop Antenna
>
> Spent the last weeks building a bigger loop for 600M listening. It's 12 foot SQ. One turn is 42 feet. I had an old wooden cross frame and by extending it and adding 2 more x-arms it turned into a Monster. So named because now it's almost too big for one adult to handle. Mostly made of 2X2s, 'cuz that's what I had lying about. It now sits in a mount out back and can be turned manually. Latex painting and drying added to the frame building time.
>
> Finished it today. But before I wound it I did a test with scrap wire. 2 turns produced 70 uH. How about that L?
>
> Just had to see what it was hearing. I hooked up a tuning unit from a 5-foot loop and with about 750 pF it tunes the lower BC band. Great stuff coming in there. No amp used. As is, tuning rx down to about 450 several NDBs are heard but other noise falls off as expected.
>
> Planning on wraping 7 or 8 turns in finished form. Not sure how to get all that wire up and not having turns fall of. S/B fun.
>
> Peter
From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Fri Jul 25 09:21:14 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Fri Jul 25 09:26:05 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
Message-ID: <48898CFA020000C80004B4E8@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

All Loop Mindeds,

Re: M-turn Loop Design Issue

Any problems in using tapped turns on a loop to vary its inductance?

I intend this large outdoor loop to be useful on both 1650M and up to 600M. Yes, adding large caps. to a 600M loop will electrically lower its freq response. Tapped turns would help raise the inductance for 1650M work but is it a wise design choice? I'd like to avoid high using lots of C for tuning.

What's the thinking on this loopy issue?

Peter
From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 25 23:24:35 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri Jul 25 23:29:29 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] PA transistor getting hot - need advise
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W46DA1C12831148BF52F74AC9870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <206782.2739.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


> Andy,
>  
> If you use the correct drive levels to your output
> 2222/2907 transistors and you are using a correct load the
> transistors will not get hot at the 1w output level. My
> circuit, that JA mentioned, has limiting diodes that help
> reduce the criticality of the base drive. 
>  

OK Everybody; This is for whoever wants to jump in with a 
comment on the " Base Drive Level ". How do I know what
" correct " is ??? I'm feeding the base of the PA transistors
from the 180 Ohm resistor. Is it possible that the 4017 chip
is " overdriving " the input to the PA ??? Would I be better
to put a Var. Pot. in place of the 180 Ohm and adjust for 
just enough drive level for stable oscillation ???

Also, to answer the question; I don't have a scope. Mine took
a lightning hit, and I can't afford to replace it at the moment.

This will be a useful learning experience for me and possibly 
many others, so, one issue at a time. Thanks to John Andrews,
I have come to understand that this PA is a switching type,
One transistor ON, the other OFF. Overlaps or Gaps are not what
we're looking for, and in my experimentation, I have saw 
firsthand what changing a component in the circuit will do. 
More on this in another post maybe.

Thanks for any input: 73, Andy - KU4XR


      
From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 28 15:06:06 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Mon Jul 28 15:11:12 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
Message-ID: <BLU106-W11B667936586922DE64699C9830@phx.gbl>


Hi Peter,
 
I'm thinking that there might be problems in the loop balance when one has unterminated turns, and this could cause an unwanted sensitivity to the E-field of the received signal - hence a poor null. An unshielded loop has to be ballanced, capacity-wise, to its surroundings - and this is critical. Perhaps others have tried this and could comment.
 
Bill> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:21:14 -0500> From: pbarick@wpo.cso.niu.edu> To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?> > All Loop Mindeds,> > Re: M-turn Loop Design Issue> > Any problems in using tapped turns on a loop to vary its inductance?> > I intend this large outdoor loop to be useful on both 1650M and up to 600M. Yes, adding large caps. to a 600M loop will electrically lower its freq response. Tapped turns would help raise the inductance for 1650M work but is it a wise design choice? I'd like to avoid high using lots of C for tuning.> > What's the thinking on this loopy issue?> > Peter> _______________________________________________> >From the Lowfer mailing list> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
From pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu  Wed Jul 30 09:32:24 2008
From: pbarick at wpo.cso.niu.edu (Peter Barick)
Date: Wed Jul 30 09:37:31 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
Message-ID: <48902718020000C80004BB85@wpo.cso.niu.edu>

Hey Bill, Group,

Understand, it was just a thought as on prior loops I had to remove turns having over wound them. On this one there are not a lot of turns to begin with for 600M, say, 7 turns (41 feet Cir.) and mica caps as needed.
Peter
----------------------------------
>>> Bill Ashlock <ashlockw@hotmail.com> 07/28/08 2:06 PM >>>

Hi Peter,
 
I'm thinking that there might be problems in the loop balance when one has unterminated turns, and this could cause an unwanted sensitivity to the E-field of the received signal - hence a poor null. An unshielded loop has to be ballanced, capacity-wise, to its surroundings - and this is critical. Perhaps others have tried this and could comment.

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul 30 09:48:31 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul 30 09:53:04 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
In-Reply-To: <48902718020000C80004BB85@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
References: <48902718020000C80004BB85@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
Message-ID: <4890712F.3040506@w1tag.com>

Peter, Bill,

I have a 7-turn tap on my 14-turn loop (6' square), and have used it 
before with no strange results. But Bill makes a very good point. If the 
time and weather permit tonight, I'll try to measure the depth of a null 
both ways. Will probably have to do it with an aero beacon down in the 
200-300 kHz range. Stay tuned...

John A.

Peter Barick wrote:
> Hey Bill, Group,
> 
> Understand, it was just a thought as on prior loops I had to remove turns having over wound them. On this one there are not a lot of turns to begin with for 600M, say, 7 turns (41 feet Cir.) and mica caps as needed.
> Peter
> ----------------------------------
>>>> Bill Ashlock <ashlockw@hotmail.com> 07/28/08 2:06 PM >>>
> 
> Hi Peter,
>  
> I'm thinking that there might be problems in the loop balance when one has unterminated turns, and this could cause an unwanted sensitivity to the E-field of the received signal - hence a poor null. An unshielded loop has to be ballanced, capacity-wise, to its surroundings - and this is critical. Perhaps others have tried this and could comment.
> 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 12:22:14 2008
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed Jul 30 12:27:15 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Looking for LOWfer in the Knoxville, TN. area
Message-ID: <331562.80804.qm@web63611.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello All; I wouldn't mind getting some type of local LOWfer activity going
here in the Maryville, TN. area. Is there anyone in the Maryville, Alcoa, Greenback, South Knoxville area that might be interested ?? email me and
let me know your interests. 73: Andy - KU4XR - Friendsville, TN. - EM75xr 


      
From w1tag at w1tag.com  Wed Jul 30 19:27:32 2008
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul 30 19:32:34 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
In-Reply-To: <4890712F.3040506@w1tag.com>
References: <48902718020000C80004BB85@wpo.cso.niu.edu>
	<4890712F.3040506@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <4890F8E4.301@w1tag.com>

Peter, Bill,

OK, here are the results. I used an aero beacon about 5 miles away on 
417 kHz, and the readings were taken about 1.5 hours before sunset, so 
the signal was stable. The nearby big loop was shorted and grounded, so 
there would be no unusual tuning effects.

The null when using all 14 turns was about 21 dB, but it dropped to 17 
dB when only 7 turns were used. So...on the face of it, Bill may have a 
point. The presence of the grounded conductor for the 480' perimeter 
xmit loop being only 10 feet away sets up some possibilities for 
electrostatic coupling. The nulls seemed symmetrical, when the loop was 
rotated 180 degrees, to the best of my ability to measure. Since I don't 
have a rotator on the thing, this required some back and forth trips 
from the house, and the use of wireless headphones to hear the null.

The balance of the loop otherwise should be pretty good, as it is series 
tuned into a winding on a toroid.

JA

John Andrews wrote:
> Peter, Bill,
> 
> I have a 7-turn tap on my 14-turn loop (6' square), and have used it 
> before with no strange results. But Bill makes a very good point. If the 
> time and weather permit tonight, I'll try to measure the depth of a null 
> both ways. Will probably have to do it with an aero beacon down in the 
> 200-300 kHz range. Stay tuned...
From w0tgb at charter.net  Wed Jul 30 20:39:10 2008
From: w0tgb at charter.net (Mark)
Date: Wed Jul 30 20:44:16 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Looking for LOWfer in the Knoxville, TN. area
In-Reply-To: <331562.80804.qm@web63611.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <331562.80804.qm@web63611.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AD6D9F3F6E2E4DD699C4F1F7B8AC42A0@dell8400>

Andy,
Good evening. I am in Knoxville. When we lived in Memphis, I ran ELVS on 183
kHz in the winters of 2000, 2001 and 2002. I don't have a clue where ELVS
(the transmitter) is now, but I still have an interest in VLF.

I still have a good loop, filters, preamp, software and my favorite VLF
receiver the TS-850 that could be in action in day or two. Somewhere here I
have a VLF xmtr kit (that I never built) with a synthesizer that allows
coverage from about 100 through something on the order of 500 KHZ. 

Let me know if you get something going.

Mark
W4TGB   

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces@mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Andy - KU4XR
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:22 PM
To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Lowfer] Looking for LOWfer in the Knoxville, TN. area

Hello All; I wouldn't mind getting some type of local LOWfer activity going
here in the Maryville, TN. area. Is there anyone in the Maryville, Alcoa,
Greenback, South Knoxville area that might be interested ?? email me and let
me know your interests. 73: Andy - KU4XR - Friendsville, TN. - EM75xr 


      
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 31 20:18:40 2008
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Thu Jul 31 20:23:49 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
Message-ID: <BLU149-W19E2B4182251E0A0ECE63C97F0@phx.gbl>


 
> The null when using all 14 turns was about 21 dB, but it dropped to 17 > dB when only 7 turns were used.
 
Interesting measurement, John! Here we are back at the need for a portable SVM so you can adjust as you watch :)  One can even rotate the plane of the loop in the axis pointing toward the signal source to achieve and even deeper null - sometimes as low as 40 db if the loop is well balanced. 
 
Oh, BTW, your comments bring up another point: Why is it that few use rotators, in fact cheep ones, to rotate their loops? In my case I think I drifted away from using rotators even though I have accumulated many of then through the years, because of the overall loss in performance... mostly S/N. Now I realize that the rotator cable must have been the culprit - bringing noise from the shack ground system out to the antenna site... same as using a lead-in without a coupling/isolation transformer in the shack. Suppose winding a sufficient number of turns of the rotator cable on a high-perm core would take care of this problem.
 
Bill
 
 > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:27:32 -0400> From: w1tag@w1tag.com> To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?> > Peter, Bill,> > OK, here are the results. I used an aero beacon about 5 miles away on > 417 kHz, and the readings were taken about 1.5 hours before sunset, so > the signal was stable. The nearby big loop was shorted and grounded, so > there would be no unusual tuning effects.> > The null when using all 14 turns was about 21 dB, but it dropped to 17 > dB when only 7 turns were used. So...on the face of it, Bill may have a > point. The presence of the grounded conductor for the 480' perimeter > xmit loop being only 10 feet away sets up some possibilities for > electrostatic coupling. The nulls seemed symmetrical, when the loop was > rotated 180 degrees, to the best of my ability to measure. Since I don't > have a rotator on the thing, this required some back and forth trips > from the house, and the use of wireless headphones to hear the null.> > The balance of the loop otherwise should be pretty good, as it is series > tuned into a winding on a toroid.> > JA> > John Andrews wrote:> > Peter, Bill,> > > > I have a 7-turn tap on my 14-turn loop (6' square), and have used it > > before with no strange results. But Bill makes a very good point. If the > > time and weather permit tonight, I'll try to measure the depth of a null > > both ways. Will probably have to do it with an aero beacon down in the > > 200-300 kHz range. Stay tuned...> _______________________________________________> >From the Lowfer mailing list> Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net> To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
From we0h at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 21:55:46 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Thu Jul 31 22:00:57 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Loop Practice ?
In-Reply-To: <BLU149-W19E2B4182251E0A0ECE63C97F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU149-W19E2B4182251E0A0ECE63C97F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48926D22.5010508@yahoo.com>

What about having a switch box for all the rotator wires so you could 
open all wires when not needing to move the rotator? If they were 
floating open, would they not induce noise in the RX loop or would it 
still be trouble with them running out so close to the loop?

Any chance of seeing the portable SLM schematic? I can make a board 
layout for it for etching boards.

Mike
WE0H


Bill Ashlock wrote:
>  
>   
>> The null when using all 14 turns was about 21 dB, but it dropped to 17 > dB when only 7 turns were used.
>>     
>  
> Interesting measurement, John! Here we are back at the need for a portable SVM so you can adjust as you watch :)  One can even rotate the plane of the loop in the axis pointing toward the signal source to achieve and even deeper null - sometimes as low as 40 db if the loop is well balanced. 
>  
> Oh, BTW, your comments bring up another point: Why is it that few use rotators, in fact cheep ones, to rotate their loops? In my case I think I drifted away from using rotators even though I have accumulated many of then through the years, because of the overall loss in performance... mostly S/N. Now I realize that the rotator cable must have been the culprit - bringing noise from the shack ground system out to the antenna site... same as using a lead-in without a coupling/isolation transformer in the shack. Suppose winding a sufficient number of turns of the rotator cable on a high-perm core would take care of this problem.
>  
> Bill
From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Jul 31 21:11:58 2008
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (J. B. Weazle McCreath)
Date: Thu Jul 31 22:16:39 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Activity!
Message-ID: <000501c8f373$9c0ac800$0b01a8c0@weazle>

Hello Lowfers,

A signal on 505.258 kHz. made a surprising appearance on
my Spectran screen this evening around 02:00 UTC or so.
First one I've seen a quite a while, but I can't ID it!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle



From we0h at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 22:25:23 2008
From: we0h at yahoo.com (Mike WE0H)
Date: Thu Jul 31 22:30:35 2008
Subject: [Lowfer] Activity!
In-Reply-To: <000501c8f373$9c0ac800$0b01a8c0@weazle>
References: <000501c8f373$9c0ac800$0b01a8c0@weazle>
Message-ID: <48927413.7050404@yahoo.com>

That is Don /15 W5OR in Little Rock Arkansas. A full quarter wave L 
vertical & 100w output.
Info at www.500kc.com

Mike
WE0H
/16

J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
> Hello Lowfers,
>
> A signal on 505.258 kHz. made a surprising appearance on
> my Spectran screen this evening around 02:00 UTC or so.
> First one I've seen a quite a while, but I can't ID it!
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
