From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Oct  1 09:36:28 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:36:28 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] TIL DFCW10 tests to begin tomorrow...
In-Reply-To: <4CA40F83.4040506@telus.net>
References: <4CA3FB69.2030603@telus.net> <4CA40F83.4040506@telus.net>
Message-ID: <08B60C51-5341-4E46-A23E-E012E10B9C58@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Scott, Lowfers,

Sorry to say, but I had no captures of your DFCW10 transmissions overnight Sept. 30-Oct. 01.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From sthed475 at telus.net  Fri Oct  1 12:14:34 2010
From: sthed475 at telus.net (Scott Tilley)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:14:34 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] TIL DFCW10 tests to begin tomorrow...
In-Reply-To: <08B60C51-5341-4E46-A23E-E012E10B9C58@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <4CA3FB69.2030603@telus.net> <4CA40F83.4040506@telus.net>
	<08B60C51-5341-4E46-A23E-E012E10B9C58@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <4CA608EA.3080508@telus.net>

  Hi Bruce

Sorry, I seem to have made a mistake with the beacon automation settings 
and the beacon turned off at around 0900UTC.

I'll make sure its set correctly tonight.

Thanks for trying!

Scott


On 10/1/2010 1:36 PM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:
> Hi Scott, Lowfers,
>
> Sorry to say, but I had no captures of your DFCW10 transmissions overnight Sept. 30-Oct. 01.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
>
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
>
>
>
>
>
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From sthed475 at telus.net  Fri Oct  1 17:19:37 2010
From: sthed475 at telus.net (Scott Tilley)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:19:37 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] TIL DFCW10 tests to begin tomorrow...
In-Reply-To: <4CA40F83.4040506@telus.net>
References: <4CA3FB69.2030603@telus.net> <4CA40F83.4040506@telus.net>
Message-ID: <4CA65069.9010206@telus.net>

  Hi All

Got a couple of reports from Ontario.  One heard me the other didn't.

I hope to be on all night tonight again with the same message as no one 
got it 'all' last night.

GL and TU for looking.
Scott


On 9/30/2010 4:18 AM, Scott Tilley wrote:
>    Hi All
>
> Change of heart.
>
> Beaconing tonight and for the rest of the week at DFCW10.  Decode the
> secret message and see if you can respond :-)
>
> 73 Scott
> VE7TIL CN89dk
> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/
>
>
>
> On 9/30/2010 2:52 AM, Scott Tilley wrote:
>>     Hi All
>>
>> I want to start some tests at DFCW10 on 137778.0, I'd QSY but I want to
>> ensure as many listeners can find me as possible and without the loran
>> lines some may have difficulty QSYing...  The idea being to test
>> possible QSO speeds back east.  Would be nice to get a baseline as the
>> QRN fades away...
>>
>> Let me know if you plan to look.  I'll start tomorrow night and run a
>> DFCW90 beacon tonight once prop to EU fades, which BTW seems very good.
>>
>> 73 Scott
>> VE7TIL
>>
>>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 21:20:10 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:20:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] More early lowFER propagation
Message-ID: <695095.55468.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Beautiful copy of " WEB " starting at 8:48pm EDST ( 00:00 UTC ), and
Bill is an hour ?? Maybe 2 behind me I'm not sure, but that is very
early evening copy.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 21:26:16 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] More early lowFER propagation
Message-ID: <232412.95187.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

804 miles, with Bill in the grey line


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 21:33:02 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] [part15] More early lowFER propagation
In-Reply-To: <627BF1EB2259495D8453D9B48B66B5CE@MAIN>
Message-ID: <738818.98038.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Charlie; I looked up the time on the net before you replied. I'll go on
the assumption that the Grey Line even enhances LF signals..
?
Hope you are well, 73 for now :

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates: N: 35? 43' 54" - W: 84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Charlie , W5COV <cvest at cox.net> wrote:


From: Charlie , W5COV <cvest at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [part15] More early lowFER propagation
To: part15 at yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 9:28 PM


? 




We are one hour behind you Andy , so the band is looking good at least for the time being .
?
I am listening to Ralph on 600 meters and he is easy audible copy here .
?
Charlie , W5COV
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 23:05:35 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <320225.72600.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Informational sources may not always be up to date, Soooo,
Who actually has a lowFER beacon On & Running at this time.
I'll try to look for you. Situations at work have brought my 
lowFER antenna construction to a halt for at least 2 to 3 weeks
so now is a good time for me to look for some beacons. If you
want me to try looking for yours, just let me know...73 :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  2 09:30:09 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 08:30:09 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] 137 kHz and more in NE IL
Message-ID: <4CA733E1.1050203@sbcglobal.net>

Conditions were pretty good overnight. Still haven't seen a Wolf decode 
of TAG but am locking onto the correct frequency so it shouldn't be long 
now. Monitored 137 kHz using ARGO QRSS20, slow beginning around 0830Z 
and found both TIL and MP easily. Unfortunately a spurious signal also 
showed up that degraded the captures somewhat. Both signals were quite a 
bit stronger than previously seen. VLF European signals are starting to 
be visible above the QRN and 60-Hz harmonics and 500 kHz signals from 
experimental licensees are doing well. WD2XSH/6,/7,/16, and /31 were 
noted. Perhaps VX9BDQ could have been seen too but I was tuned to a 
stale frequency. The lowfer watering hole was checked briefly but 
nothing seen of UWL. Was pleased to find 3 new NDBs while looking 
in-between DGPS stations. Around 0800Z noticed that the Navtex station 
in Kodiak, AK was decoding a bit on 518 kHz after Labrador dekeyed. That 
was followed by good copy of San Francisco, until Miami keyed up.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 09:35:59 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A quick note on " WEB " overnight
Message-ID: <434232.69537.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I believe this is the first time I have evr saw a lowfer signal
visible for a soild 12 hours !!! From around 8:45 pm Fri. night
until just after 8am Sat morning, " WEB " was showing al night.
amazing !! Either very good propagation, or Bill has an 
exceptionally great  beacon setup... Off to work now, 73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

From w1tag at charter.net  Sat Oct  2 11:38:28 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:38:28 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] 137 kHz and more in NE IL
In-Reply-To: <4CA733E1.1050203@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CA733E1.1050203@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4CA751F4.70806@charter.net>

Garry,

Just FYI - TAG is running fine...I checked it last night, so when the 
noise finally gets low enough, you should be all set.

John, W1TAG

On 10/2/2010 9:30 AM, Garry Hess wrote:
> Conditions were pretty good overnight. Still haven't seen a Wolf decode
> of TAG but am locking onto the correct frequency so it shouldn't be long
> now. Monitored 137 kHz using ARGO QRSS20, slow beginning around 0830Z
> and found both TIL and MP easily. Unfortunately a spurious signal also
> showed up that degraded the captures somewhat. Both signals were quite a
> bit stronger than previously seen. VLF European signals are starting to
> be visible above the QRN and 60-Hz harmonics and 500 kHz signals from
> experimental licensees are doing well. WD2XSH/6,/7,/16, and /31 were
> noted. Perhaps VX9BDQ could have been seen too but I was tuned to a
> stale frequency. The lowfer watering hole was checked briefly but
> nothing seen of UWL. Was pleased to find 3 new NDBs while looking
> in-between DGPS stations. Around 0800Z noticed that the Navtex station
> in Kodiak, AK was decoding a bit on 518 kHz after Labrador dekeyed. That
> was followed by good copy of San Francisco, until Miami keyed up.
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From w1tag at charter.net  Sat Oct  2 11:48:32 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] A quick note on " WEB " overnight
In-Reply-To: <434232.69537.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <434232.69537.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CA75450.6030606@charter.net>

Not quite as good here, but I got a decent shot of WEB at my sunrise:
http://www.w1tag.com/files/WEB4.jpg

John, W1TAG

On 10/2/2010 9:35 AM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> I believe this is the first time I have evr saw a lowfer signal
> visible for a soild 12 hours !!! From around 8:45 pm Fri. night
> until just after 8am Sat morning, " WEB " was showing al night.
> amazing !! Either very good propagation, or Bill has an
> exceptionally great  beacon setup... Off to work now, 73 all:
>
>
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
>
> *** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***
>
> Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct  2 14:08:19 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 18:08:19 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon &quot;
	On The Air	&quot; ??
Message-ID: <20101002140819.9pqhmvagqnwg800w@webmail2.centurytel.net>

Andy WMS is running. I am not showing up on Ralphs grabber like I was 
last spring. lwt me know if you see me. 
Paul k5wms

Quoting Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>:
> Informational sources may not always be up to date, Soooo,
> Who actually has a lowFER beacon On & Running at this time. 
> I'll try to look for you. Situations at work have brought my
> lowFER antenna construction to a halt for at least 2 to 3 weeks
> so now is a good time for me to look for some beacons. If you
> want me to try looking for yours, just let me know...73 :
>
>
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
>
> *** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***
>
> Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> ______________________________________________________________
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Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct  2 14:29:32 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:29:32 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <a2831.1074ed5e.39d8d40c@aol.com>

Hi Andy,
If you are able to, could you compile a list for us of all
known Lowfers in the 160-190KHz band who are currently
on the air and their frequencies?
 
I know there is a group around the 'watering hole' at
185.3KHz but I think there are a few others scattered
across  the band on different freqs.
 
I think conditions are good enough to leave ARGO on
overnight. It would be nice to have a list of active beacons
so I know where to park ARGO.
 
Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG

From w1tag at charter.net  Sat Oct  2 15:07:41 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <a2831.1074ed5e.39d8d40c@aol.com>
References: <a2831.1074ed5e.39d8d40c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CA782FD.8020204@charter.net>

If such a list is compiled please send it to John Davis, who I'm sure 
would be most happy to prune the list on the LWCA site. His pleas for 
updates usually fall on deaf ears.

John Andrews, W1TAG

On 10/2/2010 2:29 PM, ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> If you are able to, could you compile a list for us of all
> known Lowfers in the 160-190KHz band who are currently
> on the air and their frequencies?
>
> I know there is a group around the 'watering hole' at
> 185.3KHz but I think there are a few others scattered
> across  the band on different freqs.
>
> I think conditions are good enough to leave ARGO on
> overnight. It would be nice to have a list of active beacons
> so I know where to park ARGO.
>
> Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct  2 15:59:43 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:59:43 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <a59af.34728368.39d8e92f@aol.com>

OK I have tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, to  
be on
the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
 others :
 
SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
          Watering Hole
 
UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
          Watering Hole
 
WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
 
TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
 
EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON 
 
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 

From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct  2 16:20:48 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:20:48 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon &quot;
	On The Air	&quot; ??
Message-ID: <20101002162048.uns5owtpn4zokcgc@webmail2.centurytel.net>

Add WMS at the watering hole. 185301.8khz

Quoting ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com:
> OK I have tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, to
> be on
> the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and
>  others :
>
> SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
>           Watering Hole
>
> UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
>           Watering Hole
>
> WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
>
> TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
>
> EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON
>
>
> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
>
>
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Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct  2 16:28:17 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:28:17 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <a6896.75d23695.39d8efe1@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k5wms at centurytel.net writes:

Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
 
 
 OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, 
to be on  
the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
 others :
 
SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
          Watering Hole
 
UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
          Watering Hole
 
WMS - 185.301 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
          Watering  Hole
 
WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
 
TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
 
EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON 
 
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct  2 16:31:50 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:31:50 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <a6a65.6248a2b6.39d8f0b6@aol.com>

  
In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k5wms at centurytel.net writes:

Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
Correction to Paul's Frequency  : 
 
 OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, 
to be on  
the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
 others :
 
SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
          Watering Hole
 
UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
          Watering Hole
 
WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
          Watering  Hole
 
WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
 
TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
 
EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON 
 
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 


From k2ors at verizon.net  Sat Oct  2 20:28:10 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:28:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>

That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).

There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
7/694,346 = 0.001% 
That does not count the Part 5 stations.

Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we are talking about!!!!!!



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

===========================================

  
In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k5wms at centurytel.net writes:

Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
Correction to Paul's Frequency  : 
 
 OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, 
to be on  
the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
 others :
 
SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
          Watering Hole
 
UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
          Watering Hole
 
WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
          Watering  Hole
 
WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
 
TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
 
EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON 
 
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 

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From evp at pacbell.net  Sat Oct  2 21:03:52 2010
From: evp at pacbell.net (EVP)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 18:03:52 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4CA7D678.6080800@pacbell.net>

      'One of these days' the west coast will be back on with IZJ and 
PLI at least.  Been off a long time for various reasons.

Ed

k2ors at verizon.net wrote:

>That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).
>
>There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
>7/694,346 = 0.001% 
>That does not count the Part 5 stations.
>
>Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we are talking about!!!!!!
>
>
>
>73 Warren K2ORS
>          WD2XGJ
>          WD2XSH/23
>          WE2XEB/2
>          WE2XGR/1
>
>
>Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>
>===========================================
>
>  
>In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>k5wms at centurytel.net writes:
>
>Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
>Correction to Paul's Frequency  : 
> 
> OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, 
>to be on  
>the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
> others :
> 
>SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
>          Watering Hole
> 
>UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
>          Watering Hole
> 
>WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
>          Watering  Hole
> 
>WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
> 
>TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
> 
>EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON 
> 
> 
>73 - Todd WD4NGG
>


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 21:12:09 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 18:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <4CA782FD.8020204@charter.net>
Message-ID: <590963.1261.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> On 10/2/2010 2:29 PM, ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com wrote:
>  Hi Andy,
>  If you are able to, could you compile a list for us of
> all known Lowfers in the 160-190KHz band who are
> currently on the air and their frequencies?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net> wrote:


> If such a list is compiled please send it to John Davis, who 
> I'm sure would be most happy to prune the list on the LWCA site. 
> His pleas for  updates usually fall on deaf ears.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

AMEN !!!!  John, Speak up folks !!! We don't know if you don't tell:


Warren - K2ORS wrote: - - - - -- -  

That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).(recently seen beacons in previous post)

There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
7/694,346 = 0.001% 
That does not count the Part 5 stations.

Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority 
we are talking about!!!!!!


73 Warren K2ORS

Gosh; .001% ?? Kinda sound close to our antenna efficiency
on the 1750 meter lowFER band !! <:~)


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr




From cvest at cox.net  Sat Oct  2 21:19:12 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
References: <590963.1261.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A5B66690CCF240CEBA3252BDB661CD1A@MAIN>

If all goes well with the antenna work , CV , is planning to return to 
185.298.2 later this week on a 24 / 7 schedule , running QRSS60 .

I know of at least 3 new beacons that are nearing completion and should be 
making an announcement soon .

Charlie , W5COV 


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 21:25:38 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 18:25:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Photos of the finished antenna at " XR "
Message-ID: <514471.30559.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I didn't expect to do any antenna work today, but finished work
early, and had some time to get the antenna almost ready to 
raise into the air. I still have to connect the guy ropes, and
connect the downlead coming into the room. And then the not going
to be so easy job of getting this thing raised into its operating
position. Right now it looks like an " all in the family " job to
get it up. My wife, and stepson, and stepdaughter, as well as
myself. One on each guy rope, and me on the roof pulling it up.
Should be fun....sorry folks; no video of the fiasco, I don't have
a video camera. Todays work was spent winding the elevated loading
coil, and mounting it to the mast, and then, connecting the top
section of mast with the Top Hat, and completing the aluminum
taping of the mast sections together. Here is the link to the 
photos of the work done today:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=10084072

Hopefully I can get this beast in the air in a couple of days,
then I'll rewind the variometer to be able to match the antenna.

73 all, and have a good weekend.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct  2 21:50:01 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in CT
Message-ID: <001201cb629d$4af949f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Nice signal into CT tonight.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  2 21:58:15 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:58:15 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>


"That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN). There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S."

Ah, com'on Warren. I'd bet the total fun experienced by these seven Lowfers is greater than the sum total of all 694,346 licensed amateurs. :)  :)  :)

Should have been up here today. Most beautiful Fall day I've ever seen. Visited a 50KW private power plant north of Sandwich, NH, that a guy is restoring. 

Bill

> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:28:10 -0500
> From: k2ors at verizon.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> 
> That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).
> 
> There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
> 7/694,346 = 0.001% 
> That does not count the Part 5 stations.
> 
> Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we are talking about!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>           WD2XGJ
>           WD2XSH/23
>           WE2XEB/2
>           WE2XGR/1
> 
> 
> Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
> ===========================================
> 
>   
> In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> k5wms at centurytel.net writes:
> 
> Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
> Correction to Paul's Frequency  : 
>  
>  OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, 
> to be on  
> the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
>  others :
>  
> SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
>           Watering Hole
>  
> UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
>           Watering Hole
>  
> WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
>           Watering  Hole
>  
> WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
>  
> TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
>  
> EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON 
>  
>  
> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
>  
>  
> 
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct  2 22:01:07 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:01:07 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01cb629e$d8255070$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Bill

Any plans to return to the watering hole? Been a while ...

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Ashlock" <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??


>
> "That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN). There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the 
> U.S."
>
> Ah, com'on Warren. I'd bet the total fun experienced by these seven Lowfers is greater than the 
> sum total of all 694,346 licensed amateurs. :)  :)  :)
>
> Should have been up here today. Most beautiful Fall day I've ever seen. Visited a 50KW private 
> power plant north of Sandwich, NH, that a guy is restoring.
>
> Bill
>
>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:28:10 -0500
>> From: k2ors at verizon.net
>> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
>>
>> That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).
>>
>> There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
>> 7/694,346 = 0.001%
>> That does not count the Part 5 stations.
>>
>> Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we are talking about!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>           WD2XGJ
>>           WD2XSH/23
>>           WE2XEB/2
>>           WE2XGR/1
>>
>>
>> Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>
>> ===========================================
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> k5wms at centurytel.net writes:
>>
>> Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
>> Correction to Paul's Frequency  :
>>
>>  OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating,
>> to be on
>> the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and
>>  others :
>>
>> SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
>>           Watering Hole
>>
>> UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
>>           Watering Hole
>>
>> WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
>>           Watering  Hole
>>
>> WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
>>
>> TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
>>
>> EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON
>>
>>
>> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
>>
>>
>>
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sat Oct  2 23:01:50 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:01:50 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in CT
In-Reply-To: <001201cb629d$4af949f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <001201cb629d$4af949f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <CC4F786F-CB97-4CCC-8D4D-681CBBB41F5E@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Jay, Lowfers,

Thanks for the report.  I went crazy with the weed whacker yesterday in a radius of four feet around the housing
for the variometer / final of EAR.  Possibly there's a few micro-watts of increased ERP as a result. 

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sat Oct  2 23:05:48 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Bill, Lowfers,

With a rating of 50 KW, I'm assuming it must be a mini-hydro plant?  Details direct please!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct  2 23:13:50 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:13:50 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon &quot;
	On The Air	&quot; ??
Message-ID: <20101002231350.6jssw8hlopri88gg@webmail2.centurytel.net>

It should be noted that at least two maybe three of lowfers now on or 
in the past are not licensed hams. 

In April of this year I was honored to speak at Ozarkcon the annual qrp 
bash put on by 4sqrp at Branson , Mo. In my opening remarks I asked the 
group( about 150) how many had a copy of the ARRL handbook?
Everyone looked at each other and all raised thier hands. I said you 
are in good company, two of my friends made presentations at two 
seperate clubs in Little Rock recently. I asked them to poll the 
audience and find out how many had a ARRL handbook. The percentage was 
7 out of 24 for one club and 5 out of 26 for the other. I blame our 
leadership for this. Newcomers are being indoctrinated with the belief 
that learning theory is obsolete( like cw) and it is best to memorize 
q/a pool and get on as soon as possible. 

After my presentation( it was about how to put up a beacon on 
1750meters and how to calibrate ARGO to receive the weak signals) about 
20 guys came up to me and remarked what an impression my opening 
remarks made. They all told me of dropping out of local clubs because 
all the newhams were interested in was storm spotting and repeater ops. 
Same at Dayton several approached me with same comments. 

There is so much to do and so much to be learned it is a shame ham 
radio has been trivialized untill it is unappetising to those 
interested in technology. Qrp groups and the software defined radio 
groups are the last bastion of technology in our hobby. Part 15 and 
part 5 operations are the ultimate qrp!

My picture is on the cover of the summer issue of Qrp Quarterly with my 
demo at show and tell session at FDIM(four days in May) at Dayton. I 
printed up business cards with my beacon info and links to LWCA and 
Yahoogroups/15. I handed out  about 80 cards  and fielded questions 
with the help of Mike WE0H. This is a highly technical gathering of 
builders and experimenters. Some had never heard of part 5 and 15 ops, 
others wanted to know how to get involved. We need more publicity. 
write CQ and QST and ask for articles and if you are able write them. 

Off soap box for now. 
Paul k5wms

Quoting Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>:
>
> "That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN). There are according to the ARRL 694,346
> licensed amateurs in the U.S."
>
> Ah, com'on Warren. I'd bet the total fun experienced by these seven 
> Lowfers is
> greater than the sum total of all 694,346 licensed amateurs. :)  :)  :)
>
> Should have been up here today. Most beautiful Fall day I've ever 
> seen. Visited
> a 50KW private power plant north of Sandwich, NH, that a guy is restoring. 
>
> Bill
>
> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:28:10 -0500
> > From: k2ors at verizon.net
> > To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> >
> > That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN). 
> >
> > There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S. 
> > 7/694,346 = 0.001%
> > That does not count the Part 5 stations. 
> >
> > Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we 
> are talking
> about!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Warren K2ORS
> >           WD2XGJ
> >           WD2XSH/23
> >           WE2XEB/2
> >           WE2XGR/1
> >
> >
> > Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> >
> > ===========================================
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > k5wms at centurytel.net writes:
> >
> > Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
> > Correction to Paul's Frequency  :
> >
> >  OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating,
> > to be on
> > the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and
> >  others :
> >
> > SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
> >           Watering Hole
> >
> > UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
> >           Watering Hole
> >
> > WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
> >           Watering  Hole
> >
> > WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
> >
> > TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
> >
> > EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON
> >
> >
> > 73 - Todd WD4NGG
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct  2 23:24:36 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:24:36 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB
Message-ID: <20101002232436.vbdty0g5nl7484cc@webmail2.centurytel.net>

WEB just popped up on the screen at 2215 cdt(0330 uct)

I didnt seen anything from 1730 local time until just now. Nothing on Ralphs grabber, I seldom get in nighttime will be checking in the mornings. 
Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 01:05:54 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:05:54 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Lowfer - WEB good copy tonight in SC
Message-ID: <ca110.4db98f3c.39d96932@aol.com>

Hi All,
Just took a look around 189.950 and  there was WEB on the 
ARGO screen. Copy was fading a bit but I could easily  make
out the letters W-E-B. My distance to WEB is about 912 miles
so he is  putting out a real good signal. This is my first copy of  WEB.

Frequency was reading a little lower than advertised on the  screen -
189.949.35KHz instead of an even 189.950.


73 - Todd  WD4NGG  


From esmithmail at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 04:16:34 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:16:34 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon &quot;
 On The Air &quot; ??
In-Reply-To: <20101002231350.6jssw8hlopri88gg@webmail2.centurytel.net>
References: <20101002231350.6jssw8hlopri88gg@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <-2011698804898496199@unknownmsgid>

UWL is still on at 185302 with QRSS30 in central OK.

Eric KD5UWL / WD2XFX


On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:13 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:

> It should be noted that at least two maybe three of lowfers now on or
> in the past are not licensed hams.
>
> In April of this year I was honored to speak at Ozarkcon the annual qrp
> bash put on by 4sqrp at Branson , Mo. In my opening remarks I asked the
> group( about 150) how many had a copy of the ARRL handbook?
> Everyone looked at each other and all raised thier hands. I said you
> are in good company, two of my friends made presentations at two
> seperate clubs in Little Rock recently. I asked them to poll the
> audience and find out how many had a ARRL handbook. The percentage was
> 7 out of 24 for one club and 5 out of 26 for the other. I blame our
> leadership for this. Newcomers are being indoctrinated with the belief
> that learning theory is obsolete( like cw) and it is best to memorize
> q/a pool and get on as soon as possible.
>
> After my presentation( it was about how to put up a beacon on
> 1750meters and how to calibrate ARGO to receive the weak signals) about
> 20 guys came up to me and remarked what an impression my opening
> remarks made. They all told me of dropping out of local clubs because
> all the newhams were interested in was storm spotting and repeater ops.
> Same at Dayton several approached me with same comments.
>
> There is so much to do and so much to be learned it is a shame ham
> radio has been trivialized untill it is unappetising to those
> interested in technology. Qrp groups and the software defined radio
> groups are the last bastion of technology in our hobby. Part 15 and
> part 5 operations are the ultimate qrp!
>
> My picture is on the cover of the summer issue of Qrp Quarterly with my
> demo at show and tell session at FDIM(four days in May) at Dayton. I
> printed up business cards with my beacon info and links to LWCA and
> Yahoogroups/15. I handed out  about 80 cards  and fielded questions
> with the help of Mike WE0H. This is a highly technical gathering of
> builders and experimenters. Some had never heard of part 5 and 15 ops,
> others wanted to know how to get involved. We need more publicity.
> write CQ and QST and ask for articles and if you are able write them.
>
> Off soap box for now.
> Paul k5wms
>
> Quoting Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> "That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN). There are according to the ARRL 694,346
>> licensed amateurs in the U.S."
>>
>> Ah, com'on Warren. I'd bet the total fun experienced by these seven
>> Lowfers is
>> greater than the sum total of all 694,346 licensed amateurs. :)  :)  :)
>>
>> Should have been up here today. Most beautiful Fall day I've ever
>> seen. Visited
>> a 50KW private power plant north of Sandwich, NH, that a guy is restoring.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:28:10 -0500
>>> From: k2ors at verizon.net
>>> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
>>>
>>> That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).
>>>
>>> There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
>>> 7/694,346 = 0.001%
>>> That does not count the Part 5 stations.
>>>
>>> Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we
>> are talking
>> about!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>>          WD2XGJ
>>>          WD2XSH/23
>>>          WE2XEB/2
>>>          WE2XGR/1
>>>
>>>
>>> Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>
>>> ===========================================
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> k5wms at centurytel.net writes:
>>>
>>> Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
>>> Correction to Paul's Frequency  :
>>>
>>> OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating,
>>> to be on
>>> the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and
>>> others :
>>>
>>> SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
>>>          Watering Hole
>>>
>>> UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
>>>          Watering Hole
>>>
>>> WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
>>>          Watering  Hole
>>>
>>> WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
>>>
>>> TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
>>>
>>> EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> Paul Daulton K5WMS
> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
> em34wu
>
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From cvest at cox.net  Sun Oct  3 04:23:48 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:23:48 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Eric   Who actually has a lowFER beacon &quot;
	On The Air &quot; ??
References: <20101002231350.6jssw8hlopri88gg@webmail2.centurytel.net>
	<-2011698804898496199@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <38F156630F2044C1995730187321401C@MAIN>

Isn't it about past your bedtime Eric :)

When I get my antennas back up , hopefully later today , do you want to do a 
schedule this winter too ?

Charlie , W5COV 


From esmithmail at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 04:30:22 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Eric Who actually has a lowFER beacon &quot;
 On The Air &quot; ??
In-Reply-To: <38F156630F2044C1995730187321401C@MAIN>
References: <20101002231350.6jssw8hlopri88gg@webmail2.centurytel.net>
	<-2011698804898496199@unknownmsgid>
	<38F156630F2044C1995730187321401C@MAIN>
Message-ID: <3619645027431912919@unknownmsgid>

You bet...I haven't been on much since you've been off...I would like
to get back to doing that.

On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:23 AM, "Charlie , W5COV" <cvest at cox.net> wrote:

> Isn't it about past your bedtime Eric :)
>
> When I get my antennas back up , hopefully later today , do you want to do a
> schedule this winter too ?
>
> Charlie , W5COV
>
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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  3 08:14:04 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:14:04 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] TAG
Message-ID: <4CA8738C.9000404@sbcglobal.net>

John,

I'm surprised since last night wasn't as quiet QRN-wise as previous 
nights, but TAG did finally decode. Thanks for keeping it QRV and for 
using Wolf as the transmission mode.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

2010-10-03 06:14:25 >WOLF10  -r 11100.2185 -f 400 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 -ut
06:14:49 f: 0.781 a:-0.2 dp: 72.7 ci: 3 cj:279 96IFCKM7IQ6U T0 ?
06:15:13 f: 0.001 a: 0.1 dp: 72.3 ci: 7 cj:197 P984E85QV5ZB4QD ?
06:16:01 f: 0.000 a: 0.3 dp: 71.1 ci: 0 cj: 17 P4BNA3/4GWQP2QO ?
06:17:37 f: 0.312 pm:2.489 jm:915 q:-14.0 -8.2 KYWV*F.2V35*VBX ?
...
06:57:37 f:-0.059 pm:18.29 jm:803 q: -1.4 -7.8 2H8M6*25FYLARS1 ?
06:59:13 f:-0.059 pm:20.18 jm:803 q: -0.9 -6.0 TAG RAYMONIGEQ5 -
07:00:49 f:-0.059 pm:20.55 jm:803 q: -0.6 -5.5 TAG RAYMOND ME  ?
07:02:25 f:-0.059 pm:21.45 jm:803 q: -0.4 -5.1 TAG RAYMOND ME  ?
07:04:01 f:-0.059 pm:22.11 jm:803 q: -0.4 -5.0 TAG RAYMOND ME  ?
07:05:37 f:-0.059 pm:22.49 jm:803 q: -0.4 -5.1 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
07:07:13 f:-0.059 pm:23.38 jm:803 q: -0.1 -5.1 TAG RAYMOND ME  -

From w1tag at charter.net  Sun Oct  3 08:37:42 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] TAG
In-Reply-To: <4CA8738C.9000404@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CA8738C.9000404@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4CA87916.5020301@charter.net>

Garry,

I knew you would do it...matter of time. Actually, it's probably got 
more to do with fading and signal peaks. Patience pays, though, and 
congrats on grabbing the little guy. He'll be WOLFing all winter.

John A.

On 10/3/2010 8:14 AM, Garry Hess wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm surprised since last night wasn't as quiet QRN-wise as previous
> nights, but TAG did finally decode. Thanks for keeping it QRV and for
> using Wolf as the transmission mode.
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
>
> 2010-10-03 06:14:25>WOLF10  -r 11100.2185 -f 400 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 -ut
> 06:14:49 f: 0.781 a:-0.2 dp: 72.7 ci: 3 cj:279 96IFCKM7IQ6U T0 ?
> 06:15:13 f: 0.001 a: 0.1 dp: 72.3 ci: 7 cj:197 P984E85QV5ZB4QD ?
> 06:16:01 f: 0.000 a: 0.3 dp: 71.1 ci: 0 cj: 17 P4BNA3/4GWQP2QO ?
> 06:17:37 f: 0.312 pm:2.489 jm:915 q:-14.0 -8.2 KYWV*F.2V35*VBX ?
> ...
> 06:57:37 f:-0.059 pm:18.29 jm:803 q: -1.4 -7.8 2H8M6*25FYLARS1 ?
> 06:59:13 f:-0.059 pm:20.18 jm:803 q: -0.9 -6.0 TAG RAYMONIGEQ5 -
> 07:00:49 f:-0.059 pm:20.55 jm:803 q: -0.6 -5.5 TAG RAYMOND ME  ?
> 07:02:25 f:-0.059 pm:21.45 jm:803 q: -0.4 -5.1 TAG RAYMOND ME  ?
> 07:04:01 f:-0.059 pm:22.11 jm:803 q: -0.4 -5.0 TAG RAYMOND ME  ?
> 07:05:37 f:-0.059 pm:22.49 jm:803 q: -0.4 -5.1 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> 07:07:13 f:-0.059 pm:23.38 jm:803 q: -0.1 -5.1 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct  3 09:23:51 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XES XNS tonight
Message-ID: <000901cb62fe$384544b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

WD2XES and WD2XNS will have a Sunday night cw QSO on 137.400 kHz at 0100Z. Reception reports, 
successful or not, are always appreciated.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 


From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 09:38:15 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:38:15 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Test
Message-ID: <135ca6.23b52b36.39d9e147@aol.com>

>From  :             _toddroberts2001 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:toddroberts2001 at aol.com)  
 

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 09:44:25 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:44:25 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <135fd1.2d675bb1.39d9e2b9@aol.com>

 
OK I have tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating, to  
be on
the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and 
 others. 
I have updated the list with added names, call letters and email contact  
info.
 
SIW - 185.299.3 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry,  Near Elgin, IL
          Watering  Hole              _k3siw at sbcglobal.net_ 
(mailto:k3siw at sbcglobal.net)  
 
 
UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  KD5UWL   Eric,  Edmond, OK
          Watering  Hole               _esmithmail at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:esmithmail at gmail.com)  
 
 
WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30  24/7  K5WMS Paul,  Jacksonville,  AR
          Watering  Hole               _k5wms at centurytel.net_ 
(mailto:k5wms at centurytel.net)  
 
 
WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill Bowers,  Rosenberg, TX
                                             _williame1122 at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:williame1122 at comcast.net)  
 
 
TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7   W1TAG   John,  Holden, MA
                                             _w1tag at charter.net_ 
(mailto:w1tag at charter.net)  
 
 
EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30     24/7  VE3EAR   J.B.,  Saltford, ON 
                                             _waezle at hurontel.on.ca_ 
(mailto:waezle at hurontel.on.ca)  
                                          
 
 73 - Todd WD4NGG

From esmithmail at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 10:09:08 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>
	<9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <8018535000553287527@unknownmsgid>

Same here, Bill, I want to hear those details too -- if it won't slow
you down in getting the SVM kit out to me and Mike... :)

On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:05 PM, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> Hi Bill, Lowfers,
>
> With a rating of 50 KW, I'm assuming it must be a mini-hydro plant?  Details direct please!
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
>
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
>
>
>
>
>
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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  3 13:55:59 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:55:59 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon "On the Air"" ??
Message-ID: <4CA8C3AF.3080705@sbcglobal.net>

Todd,

A correction for your list involves WEB. Although his great signal often 
comes through with QRSS30 bandwidth (and even less), his mode is really 
QRSS60 at the moment.

Also, according to http://lwca.org/mb/msg/1472.htm, Mark, KU7Z has 
received western beacons GNB and JAM. The latter shares QRSS30 and CW so 
it's a possibility for listeners farther east. Unfortunately the 
frequency is only listed vaguely as 188 kHz. Perhaps Mark can pin JAM 
down more precisely.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 16:08:30 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A little more antenna work done today - kinda long reading
Message-ID: <111891.2104.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

After an enjoyable church service this morning, and a delicious
meal at home afterwards,I took the opportunity to try to finish 
up some final RF connections on the lowFER antenna before trying 
to raise it into position. MAN !! it's kinda cold outside today !!
A cold front is moving thru this afternoon, and the temp is in
the mid 50's with a brisk breeze blowing, so it feels like it's
more like 50 degrees. Yesterday was over 70 so that's a noticable
drop in the temp today. I connected a 3 foot PVC offset pipe to 
the mast that will put the down lead in the middle of the window
instead of down the side of the mobile home ( aluminum ) hopefully,
this will help to lessen coupling effects of the antenna wire as it
enters the shack. I had a run of 5 strand commercial mic cable on
hand, so I used it to replace the #10 stranded wire I was using 
before, The biggest benefit was less weight hanging on the offset
pipe, and possibly lower DC resistance too. I twisted the 5 conductors
together for the lowest resistance. And I did a " play it on the safe 
side " connection. I ran a solid piece of aluminum wire from the
loading coil all the way to the tip of the Top Hat. Just in case,
OR, most likely WHEN the aluminum foil tape begins to fail, at least
there will still be a solid connection the length of the antenna.
It's going to be interesting to see how this " concoction " of an
antenna performs. Way too much wind so no antenna raising party
today, but I'm now starting to get kinda itchy to get it up into
the air. After installing the strap wire, I did a resistance 
measurement on the full length of the antenna. The Top Hat is
touching the ground so I don't know if that had any effect on the 
measured resistance, but from the tip of the down lead, to the 
Top Hat, the resistance measured 4 Ohms...BTW the coil is wound
with around 320 feet of #16 insulated soild wire to get the 2.3mH
of Inductance. The 4 Ohms reading seems a little low to me, and
after thinking about the situation for a few minutes, it dawned on
me; I had to use around 30 feet of clip leads connected together
to span the antenna length, and the meter itself I'm sure has some
amount of internal resistance, so I figure that when I parralled
the meter and wire to the antenna, I cut the DC resistance lower
than it actually is. Most likely the resistance will come closer
to around 7 to 9 Ohms. I didn't get to do a self capacitance
measurement on the loading coil because I already had all the
RF connections made, and sealed. 
Thanks for taking the time reading this, and I wish all the best 73:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Oct  3 19:22:34 2010
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:22:34 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES WSPR
Message-ID: <4CA9103A.3020906@w1tag.com>

I'm running WSPR on 137.495 kHz (USB dial = 136.0 kHz) until 0100, and 
then for a while after 0130 UTC.

John, W1TAG/WD2XES

From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  3 19:46:53 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <000e01cb629e$d8255070$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>,
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>,
	<000e01cb629e$d8255070$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W51BE1D641EB706AAC91D90C96B0@phx.gbl>


Sorry Jay, there just isn't enough company in the Watering hole/Lowfer band to keep me happy :) No, Seriously, I think both Xmitters and loops are operational and all I have to do is flip a couple of switches. It's just about that time of year, eh?

Bill

> From: jrusgrove at comcast.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:01:07 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> 
> Bill
> 
> Any plans to return to the watering hole? Been a while ...
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Ashlock" <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
> To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> 
> 
> >
> > "That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN). There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the 
> > U.S."
> >
> > Ah, com'on Warren. I'd bet the total fun experienced by these seven Lowfers is greater than the 
> > sum total of all 694,346 licensed amateurs. :)  :)  :)
> >
> > Should have been up here today. Most beautiful Fall day I've ever seen. Visited a 50KW private 
> > power plant north of Sandwich, NH, that a guy is restoring.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:28:10 -0500
> >> From: k2ors at verizon.net
> >> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> >>
> >> That makes a total of 7 (SEVEN).
> >>
> >> There are according to the ARRL 694,346 licensed amateurs in the U.S.
> >> 7/694,346 = 0.001%
> >> That does not count the Part 5 stations.
> >>
> >> Still, gives you an idea of what a vanishingly small minority we are talking about!!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 73 Warren K2ORS
> >>           WD2XGJ
> >>           WD2XSH/23
> >>           WE2XEB/2
> >>           WE2XGR/1
> >>
> >>
> >> Oct 2, 2010 04:32:10 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> >>
> >> ===========================================
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 10/2/2010 4:20:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> k5wms at centurytel.net writes:
> >>
> >> Add WMS  at the watering hole. 185301.8khz
> >> Correction to Paul's Frequency  :
> >>
> >>  OK I have  tried to compile a list of known Lowfers currently operating,
> >> to be on
> >> the lookout for, with frequencies, using some recent postings from Andy and
> >>  others :
> >>
> >> SIW - 185.2993 KHz  QRSS60  24/7 K3SIW  Garry Near  Elgin, IL
> >>           Watering Hole
> >>
> >> UWL - 185.302 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Eric  Edmond,  OK
> >>           Watering Hole
> >>
> >> WMS - 185.301.8 KHz QRSS30   24/7  K5WMS  Paul   Jacksonville, AR
> >>           Watering  Hole
> >>
> >> WEB - 189.950 KHz  QRSS30   24/7  Bill    Rosenberg, TX
> >>
> >> TAG - 185.800 KHz   WOLF   24/7?   W1TAG  John  Holden, MA
> >>
> >> EAR - 188.830 KHz  QRSS-30    24/7    Saltford, ON
> >>
> >>
> >> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  3 19:59:12 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>,
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>,
	<9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W21C3749F2CF4B1B8C21371C96B0@phx.gbl>


Hi JB,

I'm responding to the group because there may be some interest from others out there. I was fascinated by this hydro set-up because it looks like just about anyone with electro/mechanical experience could keep it running. What a beautiful location, too, having a mill pond, waterfall, and surrounded by mountains! I'm not sure if it is rated a mini-hydro, but I can check on this, as I have the guys Email address. It was built about 30 years ago and hasn't been operational for 18 years - although only a bearing problem shut it down. The son of the original builder has taken over and they are very close to getting it back on line. 

Bill

> From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:05:48 -0400
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> 
> Hi Bill, Lowfers,
> 
> With a rating of 50 KW, I'm assuming it must be a mini-hydro plant?  Details direct please!
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w5jgv at spectrotek.com  Sun Oct  3 20:21:18 2010
From: w5jgv at spectrotek.com (Ralph W5JGV)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:21:18 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] A little more antenna work done today - kinda long
	reading
In-Reply-To: <111891.2104.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHIEIKGJAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>


> the resistance measured 4 Ohms...BTW the coil is wound
> with around 320 feet of #16 insulated solid wire to get the 2.3mH
> of Inductance. The 4 Ohms reading seems a little low to me, and
> after thinking about the situation for a few minutes, it dawned on
> me; I had to use around 30 feet of clip leads connected together
> to span the antenna length, and the meter itself I'm sure has some
> amount of internal resistance, so I figure that when I parralled
> the meter and wire to the antenna, I cut the DC resistance lower
> than it actually is. Most likely the resistance will come closer
> to around 7 to 9 Ohms.

Hello Andy,

Methinks there's an error somewhere.

#16 copper wire has a DC resistance of about 4.094 Ohms per 1000 feet, so
320 feet should measure about 1.31 Ohms.

Check your coil by itself and see what it reads.  If it's reading a lot
different than 1.3 Ohms, check your meter.  Shorting the meter leads
together with the meter set to the low Ohms range should result in a reading
of Zero Ohms.

>From your description, you have the loading coil, the antenna mast, the
ohmmeter and its leads, and a bunch of clip leads, all connected in series
with each other.  If that is so, then all the various resistances add
together.  You should read the resistance of the loading coil, plus the
antenna mast resistance, plus the clip and meter lead resistance as the
total value.

You should be able to connect all the clip leads in series and then connect
the test meter leads to the open ends of the clip leads.  That way you will
read the resistance of all the leads.  You can then subtract that reading
from the reading you get when you connect the antenna in the test loop.  You
may be able to just use the meter Ohms Zero adjustment pot to calibrate the
meter to read zero Ohms when the clip leads and the meter are all connected
in series, but without the antenna connected.  Then, when you insert the
antenna in the test loop, the reading you get will be the antennas DC
resistance.

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Oct  3 20:55:56 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:55:56 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W21C3749F2CF4B1B8C21371C96B0@phx.gbl>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>,
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>,
	<9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>
	<SNT127-W21C3749F2CF4B1B8C21371C96B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F9569F84-AEA8-441F-9DB9-4C7B75B61F9E@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Bill, Lowfers,

Sounds just like a system about 15 milers from here.  It dates back to to early 20s and originally powered a saw mill.
I think it has about 15 feet of head and the penstock pipe is about a foot in diameter going to the turbine.  The owner
is totally off-grid for his home and shop.  Thanks for the info!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 21:44:33 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A little more antenna work done today - kinda long
	reading
In-Reply-To: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHIEIKGJAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>
Message-ID: <696515.89336.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/3/10, Ralph W5JGV <w5jgv at spectrotek.com> wrote:

> #16 copper wire has a DC resistance of about 4.094 Ohms per
> 1000 feet, so 320 feet should measure about 1.31 Ohms.
> 
> Check your coil by itself and see what it reads.  If it's reading 
> a lot different than 1.3 Ohms, check your meter.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Hi Ralph:  I was mainly checking for continuity in the foil tape.
I did connect the meter from the down lead wire ( about 30 feet )
to the top of the coil, and it did read in the 1.3-ish Ohms range.

The reading went to 4 Ohms after I connected the clip leads end 
to end, and inserted the meter into the line, then parralled the 
meter ( across the antenna ) from the end of the down lead wire 
to the top hat. I was checking the antenna as you would a resistor.
I did not short the long line of clip leads to see if the meter
zeroed, hurrying too much. The clip leads were lying on the ground,
as was the meter itself. I may not have gotten a soild electrical
connection between all the clip leads. THIS MAY BE THE ISSUE :::
at the top of the coil, the antenna changes from copper to aluminum
the rest of the way up. About 19 feet of the PVC that's covered with 
the foil tape, and the top hat. Plus I put a strap wire from the
tip of the top hat down the PVC mast and connected it to the top
of the coilto insure continuity in the aluminum portion of the ant.
I think aluminum has more resistance than copper does, and when I
connected the meter from the end of the down lead wire which is copper,
all the way to the end of the top hat which is aluminum, that's when 
the resistance went to 4 Ohms.

I did not think to measure only the aluminum portion of the antenna
to see the resistance it shows. I will do that to see if the 
aluminum portion of the antenna shows the extra 2.7-ish Ohm reading.

73 :

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr




From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 21:58:19 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:58:19 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] XES XNS tonight
Message-ID: <2c9d5.659a3349.39da8ebb@aol.com>

Tried listening at 0100 Z 137.400 KHz CW mode  but  couldn't
make  out anything down here in SC.
 
However around 0128 Z I started to hear some
weak CW in there that seemed to last 5 to 10 minutes.
 
Not sure if someone may have joined in late but the 
signal was strong enough to hear but not make out
any letters or words.
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG

From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 22:03:36 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:03:36 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES WSPR
In-Reply-To: <4CA9103A.3020906@w1tag.com>
References: <4CA9103A.3020906@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1T_wNfWaED8R4Fafq97waxBjxNwwOL3uBgkB9@mail.gmail.com>

John just got in and taking a look (0200z) and have a first copy
..will send copy later\
Lloyd W3NF

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, John Andrews <w1tag at w1tag.com> wrote:
> I'm running WSPR on 137.495 kHz (USB dial = 136.0 kHz) until 0100, and
> then for a while after 0130 UTC.
>
> John, W1TAG/WD2XES
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From w1tag at charter.net  Sun Oct  3 22:17:56 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES WSPR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1T_wNfWaED8R4Fafq97waxBjxNwwOL3uBgkB9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA9103A.3020906@w1tag.com>
	<AANLkTim1T_wNfWaED8R4Fafq97waxBjxNwwOL3uBgkB9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CA93954.6010206@charter.net>

Lloyd,

Will only run it until 0230. Saw your spot reports -- thanks.

JA

On 10/3/2010 10:03 PM, lloyd chastant wrote:
> John just got in and taking a look (0200z) and have a first copy
> ..will send copy later\
> Lloyd W3NF
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, John Andrews<w1tag at w1tag.com>  wrote:
>> I'm running WSPR on 137.495 kHz (USB dial = 136.0 kHz) until 0100, and
>> then for a while after 0130 UTC.
>>
>> John, W1TAG/WD2XES
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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 22:07:04 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 02:07:04 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES WSPR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1T_wNfWaED8R4Fafq97waxBjxNwwOL3uBgkB9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CA9103A.3020906@w1tag.com>
	<AANLkTim1T_wNfWaED8R4Fafq97waxBjxNwwOL3uBgkB9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimosbYR7sSJ87r62SQr9wRGaUo3u_S+rAkn6mWZ@mail.gmail.com>

OK here is my copy
101004 0158   4 -28 -0.2   0.137495  WD2XES FN42 30          0   581    0
101004 0200   5 -27 -0.2   0.137495  WD2XES FN42 30          0   300    0
101004 0202   5 -26  0.0   0.137495  WD2XES FN42 30          0     4    0
de Lloyd W3NF

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:03 AM, lloyd chastant <lloydc6 at gmail.com> wrote:
> John just got in and taking a look (0200z) and have a first copy
> ..will send copy later\
> Lloyd W3NF
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, John Andrews <w1tag at w1tag.com> wrote:
>> I'm running WSPR on 137.495 kHz (USB dial = 136.0 kHz) until 0100, and
>> then for a while after 0130 UTC.
>>
>> John, W1TAG/WD2XES
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Sun Oct  3 22:08:52 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:08:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XES XNS tonight
Message-ID: <569378269.363725.1286158132617.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Todd,

    WD2XGJ had a short (but FB!) QSO with WD2XNS at that time.
WD2XGJ now QRSS60 137.7798

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 3, 2010 09:58:29 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

===========================================

Tried listening at 0100 Z 137.400 KHz CW mode  but  couldn't
make  out anything down here in SC.
 
However around 0128 Z I started to hear some
weak CW in there that seemed to last 5 to 10 minutes.
 
Not sure if someone may have joined in late but the 
signal was strong enough to hear but not make out
any letters or words.
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 22:56:54 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:56:54 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer]  WD2XES WSPR
Message-ID: <2eb5d.5bb9cf1d.39da9c76@aol.com>

Hi John,
Here is my WSPR copy tonight 10/04/10 UTC
of your  137.495 signal. The decoder seemed
to lock on nicely.
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 
101004 0216   7 -24 -0.5   0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30           0     4    0
101004 0218   6 -23  -0.4   0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30           0     5    0
101004 0220   6 -24  -0.4   0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30          0     18    0
101004 0222   6 -24 -0.4    0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30          0     44    0
101004 0224   7 -25 -0.5    0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30           0     3    0
101004 0226   6 -24  -0.4   0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30          0     25    0
101004 0228   6 -24 -0.5    0.137495  WD2XES FN42  30          0  16047    8
101004 0230   6 -24 -0.4    0.137495  WD2XES FN42 30

From hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  4 00:51:10 2010
From: hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com (Laurence KL7UK)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:51:10 -0800
Subject: [Lowfer] XES XNS tonight
In-Reply-To: <569378269.363725.1286158132617.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <569378269.363725.1286158132617.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W27CA63788E8B8035011649CF6C0@phx.gbl>


Seeing you here in AK for the first time this autumn Warren
 
Laurence KL7UK Wasilla AK
 
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:08:52 -0500
> From: k2ors at verizon.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] XES XNS tonight
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> WD2XGJ had a short (but FB!) QSO with WD2XNS at that time.
> WD2XGJ now QRSS60 137.7798
> 
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
> 
> 
> Oct 3, 2010 09:58:29 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
> ===========================================
> 
> Tried listening at 0100 Z 137.400 KHz CW mode but couldn't
> make out anything down here in SC.
> 
> However around 0128 Z I started to hear some
> weak CW in there that seemed to last 5 to 10 minutes.
> 
> Not sure if someone may have joined in late but the 
> signal was strong enough to hear but not make out
> any letters or words.
> 
> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  4 01:30:31 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 01:30:31 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
In-Reply-To: <F9569F84-AEA8-441F-9DB9-4C7B75B61F9E@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>, ,
	<SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>,
	<SNT127-W21C3749F2CF4B1B8C21371C96B0@phx.gbl>,
	<F9569F84-AEA8-441F-9DB9-4C7B75B61F9E@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W3465993EB7DADC21C1EF32C96C0@phx.gbl>


JB,

The penstock on this installation must be almost 3ft in diameter. The drop to the turbine from the dam is 11ft but there's about 8 more feet below the turbine which adds to the head. This is baby is grid-tied and I'm about to find out what the payback is per KWH but it could be as high as $.16 which is $8/hr or $192/day at full capacity - which ain't hay (as we used to say back in Iowa :).

Bill

> From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:55:56 -0400
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
> 
> Hi Bill, Lowfers,
> 
> Sounds just like a system about 15 milers from here.  It dates back to to early 20s and originally powered a saw mill.
> I think it has about 15 feet of head and the penstock pipe is about a foot in diameter going to the turbine.  The owner
> is totally off-grid for his home and shop.  Thanks for the info!
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cvest at cox.net  Mon Oct  4 07:13:00 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
References: <495371866.241652.1286065690410.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>,
	, <SNT127-W57DA7093EAFB5B8C0F55D3C96B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<9E2DE84C-41CE-4771-A414-8428A5BF5114@hurontel.on.ca>,
	<SNT127-W21C3749F2CF4B1B8C21371C96B0@phx.gbl>,
	<F9569F84-AEA8-441F-9DB9-4C7B75B61F9E@hurontel.on.ca>
	<SNT127-W3465993EB7DADC21C1EF32C96C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3869AB6F44F04923BFA025718768830B@MAIN>

Let us know what the payback is Bill .

I can only see that kind of payback by the person consuming the power on 
high demand days .

Selling it to the grid is likely to be much lower .

I have been out of the wholesale power and wheeling business for a long time 
so I could be way off . I hope that I am . It would provide better incentive 
for projects like that if one could get close to $.16 per kWh .

Charlie 


From w1tag at charter.net  Mon Oct  4 07:37:50 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:37:50 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES WSPR
In-Reply-To: <2eb5d.5bb9cf1d.39da9c76@aol.com>
References: <2eb5d.5bb9cf1d.39da9c76@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CA9BC8E.3000604@charter.net>

Thanks to Jay, Lloyd and Todd for the reports and spot postings last 
night. I may try this again later in the week.

John, W1TAG/WD2XES

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Mon Oct  4 07:25:45 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:25:45 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB in CT
Message-ID: <005901cb63b6$e3003370$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Camped out on WEB's frequency last night ... and wasn't disappointed. WEB visible throughout the 
night even though QRN is visibly eating away at the signal.

Looking forward to capturing 'new' and 'old' lowfers again this season.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Mon Oct  4 07:28:59 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB in CT
References: <005901cb63b6$e3003370$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <003001cb63b7$56f36db0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Attachment now at <15k ...

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Mon Oct  4 07:31:41 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB in CT
References: <005901cb63b6$e3003370$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<003001cb63b7$56f36db0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <005a01cb63b7$b776c3d0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Test now at <12k ... 


From w1tag at charter.net  Mon Oct  4 07:45:03 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:45:03 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB in CT
In-Reply-To: <003001cb63b7$56f36db0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <005901cb63b6$e3003370$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<003001cb63b7$56f36db0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <4CA9BE3F.6040201@charter.net>

I'm guessing that attachments were shut off again around the first of 
October.

JA

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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 07:27:28 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:27:28 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WSPR
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkskCY4Eu4Er5O1bz1QP6Q8X0G+V9WJcG-9nYV@mail.gmail.com>

WSPR copy last nite
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/wspr.jpg

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Mon Oct  4 07:35:17 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:35:17 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB
Message-ID: <006801cb63b8$380ab830$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Apologize for the multiple posts. Trying to figure out what attachments work ... 

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  4 10:15:25 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:15:25 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] 518 kHz Navtex
Message-ID: <4CA9E17D.9020403@sbcglobal.net>

Both Kodiak, AK Navtex stations decoded overnight, $12J at 0700Z, and 
$12X at 0740Z and 1100Z. Astoria, OR and Long Beach, CA also managed to 
avoid being overwhelmed by closer stations like Miami and New Orleans 
transmitting outside their assigned 10 minute time slots. This bodes 
well for 500 kHz experimental licensees receiving AK or being received 
by AK stations.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Mon Oct  4 11:10:44 2010
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:10:44 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <20101004.112444.884.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com>

pictures, pictures,,

BobK3DJC

 
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0400 Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> Hi JB,
> 
> I'm responding to the group because there may be some interest from 
> others out there. I was fascinated by this hydro set-up because it 
> looks like just about anyone with electro/mechanical experience 
> could keep it running. What a beautiful location, too, having a mill 
> pond, waterfall, and surrounded by mountains! I'm not sure if it is 
> rated a mini-hydro, but I can check on this, as I have the guys 
> Email address. It was built about 30 years ago and hasn't been 
> operational for 18 years - although only a bearing problem shut it 
> down. The son of the original builder has taken over and they are 
> very close to getting it back on line. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> > From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca
> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:05:48 -0400
> > To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The 
> Air " ??
> > 
> > Hi Bill, Lowfers,
> > 
> > With a rating of 50 KW, I'm assuming it must be a mini-hydro 
> plant?  Details direct please!
> > 
> > 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> > 
> > LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> > 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> > EN93dr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 14:32:30 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Reports for " WEB "
Message-ID: <555800.82044.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone:

I just received an email today from Bill - " WEB " thanking me for
sending him the capture, and report on his beacon signal. Some may
not know that he does not subscribe to the LOWFER email list, so he
does not see the reports being posted about his beacon. He told me
that I was the first report he has gotten in months. I'm sure it 
would make him very happy to get some more captures, and reports.
If any of you guys have one recently, and want to send it direct
to him, fire it off to:  -    williame 1122 @ live. com    - 
Please remove all the spaces in the email address.

73 


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  4 14:41:21 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
Message-ID: <SNT127-W1BC506DA31ACD242EE1F7C96C0@phx.gbl>





Charlie,

I was wrong about the $.16/KWH. This is a credit that can only be used to offset electrical usage. AKA 'net metering'. There is another rate paid by the local electric company aside from this that is much lower, but I don't know what that is. Will check.

Bill

> From: cvest at cox.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:13:00 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
> 
> Let us know what the payback is Bill .
> 
> I can only see that kind of payback by the person consuming the power on 
> high demand days .
> 
> Selling it to the grid is likely to be much lower .
> 
> I have been out of the wholesale power and wheeling business for a long time 
> so I could be way off . I hope that I am . It would provide better incentive 
> for projects like that if one could get close to $.16 per kWh .
> 
> Charlie 
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  4 14:46:10 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
In-Reply-To: <20101004.112444.884.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com>
References: <20101004.112444.884.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W35A253EC6823DFDDA2FB11C96C0@phx.gbl>


Sorry Bob,

I almost never have my camera with me when I run into anything worth recording. I'll be sure to have it with me the next time I drive over to see the hydro station.

Bill

> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:10:44 -0400
> From: riese-k3djc at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
> 
> pictures, pictures,,
> 
> BobK3DJC
> 
>  
> On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0400 Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > 
> > Hi JB,
> > 
> > I'm responding to the group because there may be some interest from 
> > others out there. I was fascinated by this hydro set-up because it 
> > looks like just about anyone with electro/mechanical experience 
> > could keep it running. What a beautiful location, too, having a mill 
> > pond, waterfall, and surrounded by mountains! I'm not sure if it is 
> > rated a mini-hydro, but I can check on this, as I have the guys 
> > Email address. It was built about 30 years ago and hasn't been 
> > operational for 18 years - although only a bearing problem shut it 
> > down. The son of the original builder has taken over and they are 
> > very close to getting it back on line. 
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > > From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca
> > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:05:48 -0400
> > > To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The 
> > Air " ??
> > > 
> > > Hi Bill, Lowfers,
> > > 
> > > With a rating of 50 KW, I'm assuming it must be a mini-hydro 
> > plant?  Details direct please!
> > > 
> > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> > > 
> > > LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> > > 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> > > EN93dr
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Lowfer mailing list
> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Mon Oct  4 16:13:47 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:13:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
Message-ID: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>

Hello the list,

  Has anyone anywhere EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable receiver ?
(If you live in Europe near LW stations you are excused from this discussion!)

I've tried for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its impossible.
However Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific stations with a portable.

http://www.dxer.ca/the-forum?func=view&catid=12&id=2951&limit=6&start=6#2958

Comments?

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1
l

From stanw1le at verizon.net  Mon Oct  4 16:38:09 2010
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:38:09 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W1BC506DA31ACD242EE1F7C96C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-W1BC506DA31ACD242EE1F7C96C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CAA3B31.1070002@verizon.net>

  When I had my photovoltaic vision, I could generate AC and turn my 
meter backwards
to account for my usage from the grid. Any excess was a credit for 0.05$ 
per KWHr.
That was the rate a few years ago.

The return on investment (ROI) did not meet my expectations, so I did 
not get the multi KW
DC to AC inverter. Instead I only charge flooded lead acid batteries and 
feed 12VDC to the shack.

If I were to do it again, I would get PV panels with an integral 
inverter, then feed the grid with AC.
Forgetting the batteries.

Stan, W1LE      Cape Cod     FN41sr




On 10/4/2010 2:41 PM, Bill Ashlock wrote:
>
>
>
> Charlie,
>
> I was wrong about the $.16/KWH. This is a credit that can only be used to offset electrical usage. AKA 'net metering'. There is another rate paid by the local electric company aside from this that is much lower, but I don't know what that is. Will check.
>
> Bill
>


From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 16:38:44 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:38:44 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
Message-ID: <3261.7fcd7016.39db9554@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/4/2010 4:14:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k2ors at verizon.net writes:
Hello the list,

Has anyone anywhere  EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable 
receiver ?
(If you live in  Europe near LW stations you are excused from this 
discussion!)

I've tried  for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its 
impossible.
However  Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific 
stations with a  portable.

http://www.dxer.ca/the-forum?func=view&catid=12&id=2951&limit=6&start=6#2958

Comments?

73  Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1
 
Hi Warren,
I think using one of those good-quality 'RDF' portable receivers would  
bring in a couple
of those European LW broadcasters at night near the East Coast at  least.
Some of those RDF portables have excellent sensitivity on LW, some   have 
variable
RF gain controls.  Would one of those qualify as a 
'portable' receiver? It's not quite the same as something like a Sony 2010  
but it is a 
portable radio that runs on batteries and they can be used as  
'entertainment' radios also!
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 

From clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk  Mon Oct  4 17:42:41 2010
From: clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk (Clive S Carver)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:42:41 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
In-Reply-To: <3261.7fcd7016.39db9554@aol.com>
References: <3261.7fcd7016.39db9554@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8ABA366C825D4AB28D9944CD494D25D6@STUDY>

Being in the UK many of us Brits tend not to think that we are in Europe -
HI

Certainly when at sea I remember being amazed one voyage from Panama Canal
to Australia with the distance that west coast USA MW stations could be
heard. That would have been circa 1980

Cheers!

Clive

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com
Sent: 04 October 2010 21:39
To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast reception on portables

In a message dated 10/4/2010 4:14:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k2ors at verizon.net writes:
Hello the list,

Has anyone anywhere  EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable 
receiver ?
(If you live in  Europe near LW stations you are excused from this 
discussion!)

I've tried  for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its 
impossible.
However  Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific 
stations with a  portable.

http://www.dxer.ca/the-forum?func=view&catid=12&id=2951&limit=6&start=6#2958

Comments?

73  Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1
 
Hi Warren,
I think using one of those good-quality 'RDF' portable receivers would  
bring in a couple
of those European LW broadcasters at night near the East Coast at  least.
Some of those RDF portables have excellent sensitivity on LW, some   have 
variable
RF gain controls.  Would one of those qualify as a 
'portable' receiver? It's not quite the same as something like a Sony 2010  
but it is a 
portable radio that runs on batteries and they can be used as  
'entertainment' radios also!
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Mon Oct  4 18:21:27 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:21:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
Message-ID: <33228999.243713.1286230887293.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Clive,
   Sorry yes I should have said the U.K. OR Europe!

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 4, 2010 05:42:00 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

Being in the UK many of us Brits tend not to think that we are in Europe -
HI

Certainly when at sea I remember being amazed one voyage from Panama Canal
to Australia with the distance that west coast USA MW stations could be
heard. That would have been circa 1980

Cheers!

Clive

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com
Sent: 04 October 2010 21:39
To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast reception on portables

In a message dated 10/4/2010 4:14:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k2ors at verizon.net writes:
Hello the list,

Has anyone anywhere  EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable 
receiver ?
(If you live in  Europe near LW stations you are excused from this 
discussion!)

I've tried  for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its 
impossible.
However  Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific 
stations with a  portable.

http://www.dxer.ca/the-forum?func=view&catid=12&id=2951&limit=6&start=6#2958

Comments?

73  Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1
 
Hi Warren,
I think using one of those good-quality 'RDF' portable receivers would  
bring in a couple
of those European LW broadcasters at night near the East Coast at  least.
Some of those RDF portables have excellent sensitivity on LW, some   have 
variable
RF gain controls.  Would one of those qualify as a 
'portable' receiver? It's not quite the same as something like a Sony 2010  
but it is a 
portable radio that runs on batteries and they can be used as  
'entertainment' radios also!
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 
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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Mon Oct  4 18:58:02 2010
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:58:02 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The Air " ??
Message-ID: <20101004.191230.1296.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com>

you need that much power to uhh power WM
( those damn Ms really take the juce )

Har

Bob K3DJC
 
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:46:10 -0400 Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> Sorry Bob,
> 
> I almost never have my camera with me when I run into anything worth 
> recording. I'll be sure to have it with me the next time I drive 
> over to see the hydro station.
> 
> Bill
> 
> > To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:10:44 -0400
> > From: riese-k3djc at juno.com
> > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On The 
> Air " ??
> > 
> > pictures, pictures,,
> > 
> > BobK3DJC
> > 
> >  
> > On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0400 Bill Ashlock 
> <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
> > writes:
> > > 
> > > Hi JB,
> > > 
> > > I'm responding to the group because there may be some interest 
> from 
> > > others out there. I was fascinated by this hydro set-up because 
> it 
> > > looks like just about anyone with electro/mechanical experience 
> 
> > > could keep it running. What a beautiful location, too, having a 
> mill 
> > > pond, waterfall, and surrounded by mountains! I'm not sure if it 
> is 
> > > rated a mini-hydro, but I can check on this, as I have the guys 
> 
> > > Email address. It was built about 30 years ago and hasn't been 
> > > operational for 18 years - although only a bearing problem shut 
> it 
> > > down. The son of the original builder has taken over and they 
> are 
> > > very close to getting it back on line. 
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > > 
> > > > From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca
> > > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:05:48 -0400
> > > > To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Who actually has a lowFER beacon " On 
> The 
> > > Air " ??
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Bill, Lowfers,
> > > > 
> > > > With a rating of 50 KW, I'm assuming it must be a mini-hydro 
> > > plant?  Details direct please!
> > > > 
> > > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> > > > 
> > > > LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> > > > 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> > > > EN93dr
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:39:33 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:39:33 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
In-Reply-To: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4CAA65B5.2080202@gmail.com>

k2ors at verizon.net wrote:
> Hello the list,
>
>   Has anyone anywhere EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable receiver ?
> (If you live in Europe near LW stations you are excused from this discussion!)
>
> I've tried for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its impossible.
> However Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific stations with a portable.
>
> http://www.dxer.ca/the-forum?func=view&catid=12&id=2951&limit=6&start=6#2958
>
> Comments?
>
>   
I recall listening to LF BC stations on a portable while in sunny hot 
humid southeast Asia in 69-70.  But I'm not sure where the signal 
originated.  I still have the radio.  Think I will go unpack it and do a 
smoke test.

Dex

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Mon Oct  4 20:06:14 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:06:14 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] test
Message-ID: <002901cb6421$20316ec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

The image attached is showing as 16.5 kB.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From evp at pacbell.net  Mon Oct  4 20:18:59 2010
From: evp at pacbell.net (EVP)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
In-Reply-To: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4CAA6EF3.6070404@pacbell.net>

    I don't live in Europe but have sure listened to LW BC stations on a 
portable.  Of course I was in England and France at the 
time.................

Ed

k2ors at verizon.net wrote:

>Hello the list,
>
>  Has anyone anywhere EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable receiver ?
>(If you live in Europe near LW stations you are excused from this discussion!)
>
>I've tried for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its impossible.
>However Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific stations with a portable.
>
>http://www.dxer.ca/the-forum?func=view&catid=12&id=2951&limit=6&start=6#2958
>
>Comments?
>
>73 Warren K2ORS
>          WD2XGJ
>          WD2XSH/23
>          WE2XEB/2
>          WE2XGR/1
>l
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From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 22:08:49 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF Portable Radio
In-Reply-To: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4CAA88B1.1000205@gmail.com>

It still works!  My 40 year old Sanyo Transworld.  I didn't have 8 D 
cells so I used a 12V SLA to power it.  The internal AC supply also 
works but I wanted to take the radio out away from all the LF noise in 
the house.  No LF BC heard but did hear lots of NDB signals.  Also no LF 
BC heard in the shack with SDR-IQ connected remote antennas.  Will try 
the Sanyo another time when the LF BC signals are copyable with the SDR-IQ.

Both my HP and Wandel Golterman SLMs are on the fritz so I'm down to the 
SDR for LF reception.  The Wandel died a few nights ago while set up for 
TAG Wolf.  So far I haven't figured out how to get the computer to run 
Wolf with the SDR. 

Dex

From rfoxwor1 at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Oct  4 22:11:23 2010
From: rfoxwor1 at tampabay.rr.com (rfoxwor1 at tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 2:11:23 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
In-Reply-To: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20101005021123.PVZJD.92051.root@hrndva-web14-z01>


---- k2ors at verizon.net wrote: 
> Hello the list,
> 
>   Has anyone anywhere EVER picked up a LW BC station using a portable receiver ?
> (If you live in Europe near LW stations you are excused from this discussion!)
> 
> I've tried for 30+ years with no success and have concluded that its impossible.
> However Colin on www.dxer.ca web page claims he picks up trans-pacific stations with a portable.


A few years ago in midwinter, near European sunrise, I occasionally
had trace amounts of France 162 on a Radio Shack DX-399, by taking it
outdoors away from local powerline noise. Location was Tampa FL.
Another part of the secret, if you will, is to be aware of variations in
propagation both on a minute-by-minute basis and on a day to day basis.

A question to ask is whether the reception was done with a "barefoot" set
which I think was the key to your question. Holding the set in the
near-field of a large tuned loop makes a lot of difference. In the case I
cite, no external antennas were used.

- Bob k2euh

 

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Mon Oct  4 22:29:14 2010
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LW Broadcast  reception on portables
Message-ID: <20101004.222914.1296.24.riese-k3djc@juno.com>


Under good cdx I am able to just hear some LW broadcasting but from a
location
close to the Susquehanna River away from noise

I built a large loop stick antenna that tunes from ?? 160 Kc to above the
broadcast band
and couple it to my Kato KA1103 through another small non tuned loopstick
that I position over the Kayto antenna
this works well on the 600 meter band and it copies the beacons well
made it in PVC pipe and did a demo at the local club and was asked if
the toilet still flushed #(*%_)(*@#
Well ( he said ) starting to rain so I better chase some storms and
broadcast the results on my local repeater
Paul K5WMS really nailed the worst of ham culture 

HAR 

Bob K3DJC


> A question to ask is whether the reception was done with a 
> "barefoot" set
> which I think was the key to your question. Holding the set in the
> near-field of a large tuned loop makes a lot of difference. In the 
> case I
> cite, no external antennas were used.
> 
> - Bob k2euh
> 
>  
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  4 22:53:43 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:53:43 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
In-Reply-To: <4CAA3B31.1070002@verizon.net>
References: <SNT127-W1BC506DA31ACD242EE1F7C96C0@phx.gbl>,
	<4CAA3B31.1070002@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W51B0178770591135716461C96D0@phx.gbl>


Stan,

I'm about to install 5KW of PV panels on the roof in Ellsworth, NH. The return rate from the grid up there is the same as the cost of useage: $.16/KWH. This is a credit against your total useage and you cannot make more than you consume so the trick is to make the numbers match over a full year. In the summer I will be putting in a lot more power than I will consume but in the winter season the reverse will be true. This will be an all-electric house, using a geothermal heat pump, and the numbers show that the net energy consumed over the year will be '0' or less. If I burn some wood the total energy will definitely be less than '0'. The walls are 15" thick with an average 'R' value of the envelope including windows, calculated to be around 50!

Bill

> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:38:09 -0400
> From: stanw1le at verizon.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
> 
>   When I had my photovoltaic vision, I could generate AC and turn my 
> meter backwards
> to account for my usage from the grid. Any excess was a credit for 0.05$ 
> per KWHr.
> That was the rate a few years ago.
> 
> The return on investment (ROI) did not meet my expectations, so I did 
> not get the multi KW
> DC to AC inverter. Instead I only charge flooded lead acid batteries and 
> feed 12VDC to the shack.
> 
> If I were to do it again, I would get PV panels with an integral 
> inverter, then feed the grid with AC.
> Forgetting the batteries.
> 
> Stan, W1LE      Cape Cod     FN41sr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/4/2010 2:41 PM, Bill Ashlock wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie,
> >
> > I was wrong about the $.16/KWH. This is a credit that can only be used to offset electrical usage. AKA 'net metering'. There is another rate paid by the local electric company aside from this that is much lower, but I don't know what that is. Will check.
> >
> > Bill
> >
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From jhjesse at verizon.net  Mon Oct  4 22:52:00 2010
From: jhjesse at verizon.net (JJ)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF Portable Radio
In-Reply-To: <4CAA88B1.1000205@gmail.com>
References: <17197419.242234.1286223227711.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
	<4CAA88B1.1000205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAA92D0.9020302@verizon.net>

  Just did a quick check on 183khz and Europe 1 out of Germany is in 
there and BBC Radio 4 is booming in on 198.  I'm using a PMSDR and a 
bottom fed sloper.   I just tried a Grundig G8 and no joy.  On the 
Grundig G3 I can hear a het with a little audio when in LSB mode.
Conditions are getting better on LF.  I logged 3 NDBs from Greenland and 
YCO on 372 in Kugluktuk, Nunavut, Canada tonight.

For Wolf and the SDR, you need a program called Virtual Audio Cable.  It 
costs $30 but is worth it.  The Eval copy is ok to try but it inserts a 
message or something every few minutes so it will wreck any audio your 
feeding into the system.

Jon
W1JHJ

On 10/4/2010 10:08 PM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
> It still works!  My 40 year old Sanyo Transworld.  I didn't have 8 D
> cells so I used a 12V SLA to power it.  The internal AC supply also
> works but I wanted to take the radio out away from all the LF noise in
> the house.  No LF BC heard but did hear lots of NDB signals.  Also no LF
> BC heard in the shack with SDR-IQ connected remote antennas.  Will try
> the Sanyo another time when the LF BC signals are copyable with the SDR-IQ.
>
> Both my HP and Wandel Golterman SLMs are on the fritz so I'm down to the
> SDR for LF reception.  The Wandel died a few nights ago while set up for
> TAG Wolf.  So far I haven't figured out how to get the computer to run
> Wolf with the SDR.
>
> Dex
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Oct  5 06:10:21 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:10:21 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] test
Message-ID: <002301cb6475$84df77a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

test

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Oct  5 07:26:04 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW in CT
Message-ID: <004801cb6480$18f015d0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

First capture of SIW this season - looking good!

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/SIW100510.jpg

Yesterday's copy of WEB. Amazing signal!

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/WEB100410.jpg

Looking forward to a great VLF/LF/MF season!

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  5 08:17:25 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW in CT
Message-ID: <4CAB1755.3000602@sbcglobal.net>

Jay, thanks very much for letting us know SIW is getting out of the back 
  yard. I'm going over to the site later today to replace the variometer 
with one wound completely with 20/40 Litz wire. That should raise the 
ERP a microvolt or two, hi. Still have about 10 ohms of AC resistance 
with the 2.15 mH inductance needed for resonance but can't find 
reasonably priced 175/40 wire to improve on that. Added ground rods to 
each of the 8 radials a couple of weeks ago but that hardly impacted the 
antenna current. I'll check the antenna resistance today to see which 
aspect offers the most potential for improvement.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Oct  5 09:13:45 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:13:45 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW in CT
References: <4CAB1755.3000602@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000c01cb648f$24057730$6d01a8c0@DELL4>

Garry

Not bad for 787 miles ... this early in the season. Keep us posted on the improvements.

As with last year, I'll be trying to capture all active lowfers. The west coast is a bit of stretch 
but if those stations are willing to try QRSS60 or 120 and we can get a read on their exact 
frequency who knows? At 1525 miles WEB puts one heck of a signal into CT. A beacon of WEB's 
'stature' on the west coast might make it coast to coast.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garry Hess" <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] SIW in CT


> Jay, thanks very much for letting us know SIW is getting out of the back
>  yard. I'm going over to the site later today to replace the variometer
> with one wound completely with 20/40 Litz wire. That should raise the
> ERP a microvolt or two, hi. Still have about 10 ohms of AC resistance
> with the 2.15 mH inductance needed for resonance but can't find
> reasonably priced 175/40 wire to improve on that. Added ground rods to
> each of the 8 radials a couple of weeks ago but that hardly impacted the
> antenna current. I'll check the antenna resistance today to see which
> aspect offers the most potential for improvement.
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From jhjesse at verizon.net  Tue Oct  5 10:11:21 2010
From: jhjesse at verizon.net (JJ)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:11:21 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] TAG Finally!
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb648f$24057730$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
References: <4CAB1755.3000602@sbcglobal.net>
	<000c01cb648f$24057730$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
Message-ID: <4CAB3209.6090405@verizon.net>

  Finally received TAG!  I still need to calibrate my soundcard but it 
didn't take long to lock on.  Thank you, John.
Receiver is a PMSDR and antenna is a bottom fed sloper oriented west or so.

2010-10-05 13:51:42 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 700 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.538 a:-0.8 dp: 91.7 ci:14 cj:329 BMNHNJ EF.1.U/W ?
t:  48 f: 0.920 a: 0.3 dp: 88.7 ci: 0 cj:472 C8BJ0MSBLHW46V. -
t:  96 f:-0.175 a: 0.1 dp: 84.7 ci:10 cj: 72 /G/P./WPV63YMQA ?
t: 192 f: 0.918 pm:150.1 jm: 15 q: -7.1 -8.4 ???3P9Y6G???WUD ?
t: 288 f: 0.918 pm:299.4 jm: 14 q: -3.6 -3.8 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t: 384 f: 0.918 pm:488.2 jm: 15 q: -0.6 -1.2 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t: 480 f: 0.918 pm:668.1 jm: 15 q:  1.0  0.3 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t: 576 f: 0.918 pm:785.1 jm: 15 q:  1.6  0.8 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t: 672 f: 0.918 pm: 1001 jm: 15 q:  2.5  1.7 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t: 768 f: 0.918 pm: 1231 jm: 15 q:  3.5  2.7 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
t: 864 f: 0.918 pm: 1438 jm: 15 q:  4.2  3.5 TAG RAYMOND ME  -


Jon
W1JHJ
FN41qw

From w1tag at charter.net  Tue Oct  5 11:09:22 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:09:22 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] TAG Finally!
In-Reply-To: <4CAB3209.6090405@verizon.net>
References: <4CAB1755.3000602@sbcglobal.net>	<000c01cb648f$24057730$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
	<4CAB3209.6090405@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4CAB3FA2.7010207@charter.net>

Jon,

Nice! You're not that far away, but with both antennas aimed in the 
wrong direction, it gets a little more difficult. Looks like a good 
signal, though. Thanks.

John, W1TAG

On 10/5/2010 10:11 AM, JJ wrote:
>    Finally received TAG!  I still need to calibrate my soundcard but it
> didn't take long to lock on.  Thank you, John.
> Receiver is a PMSDR and antenna is a bottom fed sloper oriented west or so.
>
> 2010-10-05 13:51:42>WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 700 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
> t:  24 f: 0.538 a:-0.8 dp: 91.7 ci:14 cj:329 BMNHNJ EF.1.U/W ?
> t:  48 f: 0.920 a: 0.3 dp: 88.7 ci: 0 cj:472 C8BJ0MSBLHW46V. -
> t:  96 f:-0.175 a: 0.1 dp: 84.7 ci:10 cj: 72 /G/P./WPV63YMQA ?
> t: 192 f: 0.918 pm:150.1 jm: 15 q: -7.1 -8.4 ???3P9Y6G???WUD ?
> t: 288 f: 0.918 pm:299.4 jm: 14 q: -3.6 -3.8 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> t: 384 f: 0.918 pm:488.2 jm: 15 q: -0.6 -1.2 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> t: 480 f: 0.918 pm:668.1 jm: 15 q:  1.0  0.3 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> t: 576 f: 0.918 pm:785.1 jm: 15 q:  1.6  0.8 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> t: 672 f: 0.918 pm: 1001 jm: 15 q:  2.5  1.7 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> t: 768 f: 0.918 pm: 1231 jm: 15 q:  3.5  2.7 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
> t: 864 f: 0.918 pm: 1438 jm: 15 q:  4.2  3.5 TAG RAYMOND ME  -
>
>
> Jon
> W1JHJ
> FN41qw
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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Tue Oct  5 10:57:43 2010
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:57:43 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
Message-ID: <20101005.113132.1980.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com>


Bill

what tankless hot water system will you use
I am in the thinking stage to replace
my 30 yr old 40 gallon water heater


Bob

 
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:53:43 -0400 Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> Stan,
> 
> I'm about to install 5KW of PV panels on the roof in Ellsworth, NH. 
> The return rate from the grid up there is the same as the cost of 
> useage: $.16/KWH. This is a credit against your total useage and you 
> cannot make more than you consume so the trick is to make the 
> numbers match over a full year. In the summer I will be putting in a 
> lot more power than I will consume but in the winter season the 
> reverse will be true. This will be an all-electric house, using a 
> geothermal heat pump, and the numbers show that the net energy 
> consumed over the year will be '0' or less. If I burn some wood the 
> total energy will definitely be less than '0'. The walls are 15" 
> thick with an average 'R' value of the envelope including windows, 
> calculated to be around 50!
> 
> Bill
> 
> > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:38:09 -0400
> > From: stanw1le at verizon.net
> > To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] The hydro installation
> > 
> >   When I had my photovoltaic vision, I could generate AC and turn 
> my 
> > meter backwards
> > to account for my usage from the grid. Any excess was a credit for 
> 0.05$ 
> > per KWHr.
> > That was the rate a few years ago.
> > 
> > The return on investment (ROI) did not meet my expectations, so I 
> did 
> > not get the multi KW
> > DC to AC inverter. Instead I only charge flooded lead acid 
> batteries and 
> > feed 12VDC to the shack.
> > 
> > If I were to do it again, I would get PV panels with an integral 
> > inverter, then feed the grid with AC.
> > Forgetting the batteries.
> > 
> > Stan, W1LE      Cape Cod     FN41sr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/4/2010 2:41 PM, Bill Ashlock wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlie,
> > >
> > > I was wrong about the $.16/KWH. This is a credit that can only 
> be used to offset electrical usage. AKA 'net metering'. There is 
> another rate paid by the local electric company aside from this that 
> is much lower, but I don't know what that is. Will check.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > 
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Tue Oct  5 17:38:31 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:38:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw beacon
Message-ID: <22207055.239988.1286314711619.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>

WE2XGR/1 will be in cw beacon mode on 506.3 
reports welcome!

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  5 21:12:20 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] What do the WOLF data readings mean ??
Message-ID: <774253.44930.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi All:

I know f: is the frequency. If it is a -.000, does that mean the 
signal WOLF is seeing is on the High side of FC ??
And, I know I have asked this before, But I can't remember what
the pm: , jm: , and the 2 q: readings mean ?? 

Thanks for any help, 73 to all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 21:59:15 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:59:15 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF BC on 40 year old Sanyo Transworld
Message-ID: <4CABD7F3.20604@gmail.com>

I pulled my 40 year old Sanyo Transworld out of storage and powered it 
up.  It still works!  I suspect the last time it was on was over 25 
years ago when I made my last move.  The pots and band select push 
button switches are a bit scratchy but the darn thing still sounds 
great.  I didn't have 8 D cells it requires for battery operation so I 
alligator cliped a small 12V SLA to the battery terminals.  I took it 
out about 100 feet away from all the house noise and did hear what I 
feel sure is European LF BC.  Not sure what frequency as the slide rule 
dial only has a few number on the dial ranging from 150 to 250 KC.  Yes 
it says KC on the dial.

Here's a link to several recordings I made with a pocket DVR:

http://www.w4dex.com/lf/bc/

Tom Petty's "Learning to Fly" still sound great!


Dex

From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 22:22:40 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF BC on 40 year old Sanyo Transworld
In-Reply-To: <4CABD7F3.20604@gmail.com>
References: <4CABD7F3.20604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CABDD70.6080701@gmail.com>

The two stations are 162 and 171 khz.  I'm fairly sure Tom Petty was on 
162 khz from Allouis, France.  Roy Orbison's "Pretty Woman" is now 
playing, receiving with SDR-IQ to big loop in the woods.

171 KHz is likely Zehlendorf, Germany

Dex

Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
> I pulled my 40 year old Sanyo Transworld out of storage and powered it 
> up.  It still works!  I suspect the last time it was on was over 25 
> years ago when I made my last move.  The pots and band select push 
> button switches are a bit scratchy but the darn thing still sounds 
> great.  I didn't have 8 D cells it requires for battery operation so I 
> alligator cliped a small 12V SLA to the battery terminals.  I took it 
> out about 100 feet away from all the house noise and did hear what I 
> feel sure is European LF BC.  Not sure what frequency as the slide 
> rule dial only has a few number on the dial ranging from 150 to 250 
> KC.  Yes it says KC on the dial.
>
> Here's a link to several recordings I made with a pocket DVR:
>
> http://www.w4dex.com/lf/bc/
>
> Tom Petty's "Learning to Fly" still sound great!
>
>
> Dex
>


From w1tag at charter.net  Tue Oct  5 22:42:17 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:42:17 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] What do the WOLF data readings mean ??
In-Reply-To: <774253.44930.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <774253.44930.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CABE209.4030804@charter.net>

Andy,

See: http://www.scgroup.com/ham/wolf.html . That explains all of the 
various readings. Some information on operation is a little dated, as we 
are pretty much all using the GUI version now. But the fundamentals 
haven't changed.

John, W1TAG

On 10/5/2010 9:12 PM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I know f: is the frequency. If it is a -.000, does that mean the
> signal WOLF is seeing is on the High side of FC ??
> And, I know I have asked this before, But I can't remember what
> the pm: , jm: , and the 2 q: readings mean ??
>
> Thanks for any help, 73 to all:
>
>
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
>
> *** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***
>
> Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
>
> *** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***
>
> http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  5 22:34:35 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] What do the WOLF data readings mean ??
In-Reply-To: <4CABE209.4030804@charter.net>
Message-ID: <596092.53987.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the link John:

Been looking for TAG for a couple of hours, but the usual gibberish
on the screen. It'll pop up at some point, it usually does with
persistence.....  73 :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Tue, 10/5/10, John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net> wrote:

> From: John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] What do the WOLF data readings mean ??
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 10:42 PM
> Andy,
> 
> See: http://www.scgroup.com/ham/wolf.html .
> That explains all of the 
> various readings. Some information on operation is a little
> dated, as we 
> are pretty much all using the GUI version now. But the
> fundamentals 
> haven't changed.
> 
> John, W1TAG
> 
> On 10/5/2010 9:12 PM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> > Hi All:
> >
> > I know f: is the frequency. If it is a -.000, does
> that mean the
> > signal WOLF is seeing is on the High side of FC ??
> > And, I know I have asked this before, But I can't
> remember what
> > the pm: , jm: , and the 2 q: readings mean ??
> >
> > Thanks for any help, 73 to all:
> >
> >
> > Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> > LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> >
> > *** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna
> ***
> >
> > Coordinates:? N:? 35? 43' 54" - W:?
> 84? 3' 16"
> > http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> >
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> >
> > http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
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From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 13:05:45 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
Message-ID: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>

My local power utility recently replaced a 900 MHz remote reading meter 
with a new type.  The 900 MHz meter had a FCC ID and I was able to find 
all the test data on that meter when it was installed about 5 years 
ago.  The new meter has no FCC certification probably because it 
transmits it's data via PLC.  The 900 MHz meter required a drive by to 
read the power usage once a month where as this new meter transmits data 
multiple times per day.

As soon as the new meter was installed I noticed several UPS units I 
have online would switch to battery.  Then I started havening problems 
with several X-10 devices which would either toggle on or off when the 
meter sent data.  The data regularly transmits every 12 hours with what 
appears to be random minute intervals.  I have also noticed it often 
transmits at either 4 or 8 hour intervals.  The data last for about 3 
seconds.  This data appears to be very wide band or at least generating 
a lot of wide band noise when it transmits.  I have been trying to 
determine at what frequency most of the power is on but so far haven't 
been able to.  At first I thought since the X-10 units were being 
scrambled the meter might be on 120 kHz.  But we know 120 kHz will not 
pass through power distribution transformers, at least not at X-10 power 
levels.

Today with the SDR-IQ set to view 0 to 190 khz and connected to my LF 
xmit antenna I can detect what appears to be other meters also transmitting.

Picture of the SDR display which shows the approximate 3 second 
transmission:

http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data.jpg

Picture of the meter:

http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg

I'm afraid this will be a real nuisance when I connect my LF receive 
antennas for the winter.

Dex

From hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 13:30:42 2010
From: hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com (Laurence KL7UK)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:30:42 -0800
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W31B32AF39485B894312D90CF6E0@phx.gbl>


We had the same (similar?) problems in AK - the meter installed with a "Turtle" that used a PLC over wire data signal - It sent pulsing type data over the whole of LF all the time (worse around 130Khz) . Taking a portable up to the meter showed the friendly  power technician, who unplugged the turtle go "oh dear"...when the noise dissaperared - he tried another model and it got worse..."oh dear"....
 
He was a friendly soul and contacted the public relations dept and his manager and we had a three way - I told him this device was effectively stopping and interfering with an FCC licenced radio station and could we work things out? 
 
The fix was the complete removal of my turtle and now the meter is read manually once a month - there is no 900Mhz stuff out here in the boonies but there is some in Anchorage town itself. I can still see my neighbors devices but they are under the noise for teh most part and as a lot of them are some distance I dont appear to have an issue with wandering Turtles!
 
Theres a label in the meter saying the unit was removed with permission from " ....." so its not replaced.
 
Laurence Kl7 UK et al
http://ahamacav.com/Turtles.htm
 
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:05:45 -0400
> From: dexter.mc at gmail.com
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net; part15 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
> 
> My local power utility recently replaced a 900 MHz remote reading meter 
> with a new type. The 900 MHz meter had a FCC ID and I was able to find 
> all the test data on that meter when it was installed about 5 years 
> ago. The new meter has no FCC certification probably because it 
> transmits it's data via PLC. The 900 MHz meter required a drive by to 
> read the power usage once a month where as this new meter transmits data 
> multiple times per day.
> 
> As soon as the new meter was installed I noticed several UPS units I 
> have online would switch to battery. Then I started havening problems 
> with several X-10 devices which would either toggle on or off when the 
> meter sent data. The data regularly transmits every 12 hours with what 
> appears to be random minute intervals. I have also noticed it often 
> transmits at either 4 or 8 hour intervals. The data last for about 3 
> seconds. This data appears to be very wide band or at least generating 
> a lot of wide band noise when it transmits. I have been trying to 
> determine at what frequency most of the power is on but so far haven't 
> been able to. At first I thought since the X-10 units were being 
> scrambled the meter might be on 120 kHz. But we know 120 kHz will not 
> pass through power distribution transformers, at least not at X-10 power 
> levels.
> 
> Today with the SDR-IQ set to view 0 to 190 khz and connected to my LF 
> xmit antenna I can detect what appears to be other meters also transmitting.
> 
> Picture of the SDR display which shows the approximate 3 second 
> transmission:
> 
> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data.jpg
> 
> Picture of the meter:
> 
> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg
> 
> I'm afraid this will be a real nuisance when I connect my LF receive 
> antennas for the winter.
> 
> Dex
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From cvest at cox.net  Wed Oct  6 13:42:12 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:42:12 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9110C0DB4948C7B375FD8C2C3637F1@MAIN>

Ex ,

Charles Wendell , of Austin , Texas , had a similar problem a couple of 
years back . ( Charles is a member of the part15 group ) .

Here is a link to the page that he posted on it : 
http://www.techlib.com/vlf_warning.htm

He did some pretty extensive research on it at the time and this is kind of 
a condensed version , of his very thorough analysis and solutions to his 
problem .

I followed along and found similar problems at my location , even though I 
don't have remote metering .

If you have any questions , I am sure he would be happy to share his 
experience and expertise in more detail .

I don't know if in your case it would help , but this subject also came up 
on another group , and the end solution there , was the utility agreed to 
put a standard meter back in the radio enthusiasts residence .

Please keep us informed , as you can see I have been following this for a 
while now , knowing that one day it will even reach this part of Rural 
America .


Charlie , W5COV 


From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Oct  6 13:44:25 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] LF BC on 40 year old Sanyo Transworld
Message-ID: <1374508807.401442.1286387065319.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net>

Thanks to Dex all that replied to my query on LW broadcast reception with portables

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 5, 2010 10:23:03 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

The two stations are 162 and 171 khz.  I'm fairly sure Tom Petty was on 
162 khz from Allouis, France.  Roy Orbison's "Pretty Woman" is now 
playing, receiving with SDR-IQ to big loop in the woods.

171 KHz is likely Zehlendorf, Germany

Dex

Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
> I pulled my 40 year old Sanyo Transworld out of storage and powered it 
> up.  It still works!  I suspect the last time it was on was over 25 
> years ago when I made my last move.  The pots and band select push 
> button switches are a bit scratchy but the darn thing still sounds 
> great.  I didn't have 8 D cells it requires for battery operation so I 
> alligator cliped a small 12V SLA to the battery terminals.  I took it 
> out about 100 feet away from all the house noise and did hear what I 
> feel sure is European LF BC.  Not sure what frequency as the slide 
> rule dial only has a few number on the dial ranging from 150 to 250 
> KC.  Yes it says KC on the dial.
>
> Here's a link to several recordings I made with a pocket DVR:
>
> http://www.w4dex.com/lf/bc/
>
> Tom Petty's "Learning to Fly" still sound great!
>
>
> Dex
>

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From cvest at cox.net  Wed Oct  6 13:50:04 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:50:04 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com> <4B9110C0DB4948C7B375FD8C2C3637F1@MAIN>
Message-ID: <DBC1F02851D045CE90F710943A60DC9F@MAIN>

Sorry Dex ,That should be Charles Wenzel , of Austin , Texas . My keyboard 
is having trouble spelling today :)

Charlie , W5COV 


From stanw1le at verizon.net  Wed Oct  6 15:47:50 2010
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CACD266.9050407@verizon.net>

  Hello Dex,

1. Would be interesting to get a broadband current probe around one of 
the AC conductors,
then feed the probe output to the Rx.

2. Maybe the manufacturer has a out of band RF power trap to place at 
the source (meter).
Suppress the noise at the source.

3. Maybe the manufacturer or the electric coop RFI/EMI section can 
advise on where
the real energy is, freq wise. So all other energy can be suppressed.
I would lodge a formal RFI/EMI complaint with them first....
Interfering with FCC licensed emergency radio communications.... blah, 
blah, blah

4. The plastic (non-metallic) meter case may not provide adequate 
shielding,
supplement with a metal shield.

Stan, W1LE       Cape Cod     FN41sr


On 10/6/2010 1:05 PM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
> My local power utility recently replaced a 900 MHz remote reading meter
> with a new type.  The 900 MHz meter had a FCC ID and I was able to find
> all the test data on that meter when it was installed about 5 years
> ago.  The new meter has no FCC certification probably because it
> transmits it's data via PLC.  The 900 MHz meter required a drive by to
> read the power usage once a month where as this new meter transmits data
> multiple times per day.
>
> As soon as the new meter was installed I noticed several UPS units I
> have online would switch to battery.  Then I started havening problems
> with several X-10 devices which would either toggle on or off when the
> meter sent data.  The data regularly transmits every 12 hours with what
> appears to be random minute intervals.  I have also noticed it often
> transmits at either 4 or 8 hour intervals.  The data last for about 3
> seconds.  This data appears to be very wide band or at least generating
> a lot of wide band noise when it transmits.  I have been trying to
> determine at what frequency most of the power is on but so far haven't
> been able to.  At first I thought since the X-10 units were being
> scrambled the meter might be on 120 kHz.  But we know 120 kHz will not
> pass through power distribution transformers, at least not at X-10 power
> levels.
>
> Today with the SDR-IQ set to view 0 to 190 khz and connected to my LF
> xmit antenna I can detect what appears to be other meters also transmitting.
>
> Picture of the SDR display which shows the approximate 3 second
> transmission:
>
> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data.jpg
>
> Picture of the meter:
>
> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg
>
> I'm afraid this will be a real nuisance when I connect my LF receive
> antennas for the winter.
>
> Dex
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From esmithmail at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 17:31:44 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:31:44 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <4CACD266.9050407@verizon.net>
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com> <4CACD266.9050407@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <-168806821350715864@unknownmsgid>

Hey guys, what do you think about this?  Now, I'm just playing devil's
advocate here...as you know, I am on your side:

Now, I would term our experimental 2200m license grants as
"provisional", and here is why:  Since it was the utilities that
raised a fuss essentially shutting down 2200m as a formal ham band,
how strong do you think we could go to the net when making a statement
that the power company is interfering with a duly FCC licensed radio
station??  That is, when talking 2200m?

What do you think?

Eric KD5UWL / WD2XFX


On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:48 PM, "Stan, W1LE" <stanw1le at verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hello Dex,
>
> 1. Would be interesting to get a broadband current probe around one of
> the AC conductors,
> then feed the probe output to the Rx.
>
> 2. Maybe the manufacturer has a out of band RF power trap to place at
> the source (meter).
> Suppress the noise at the source.
>
> 3. Maybe the manufacturer or the electric coop RFI/EMI section can
> advise on where
> the real energy is, freq wise. So all other energy can be suppressed.
> I would lodge a formal RFI/EMI complaint with them first....
> Interfering with FCC licensed emergency radio communications.... blah,
> blah, blah
>
> 4. The plastic (non-metallic) meter case may not provide adequate
> shielding,
> supplement with a metal shield.
>
> Stan, W1LE       Cape Cod     FN41sr
>
>
> On 10/6/2010 1:05 PM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
>> My local power utility recently replaced a 900 MHz remote reading meter
>> with a new type.  The 900 MHz meter had a FCC ID and I was able to find
>> all the test data on that meter when it was installed about 5 years
>> ago.  The new meter has no FCC certification probably because it
>> transmits it's data via PLC.  The 900 MHz meter required a drive by to
>> read the power usage once a month where as this new meter transmits data
>> multiple times per day.
>>
>> As soon as the new meter was installed I noticed several UPS units I
>> have online would switch to battery.  Then I started havening problems
>> with several X-10 devices which would either toggle on or off when the
>> meter sent data.  The data regularly transmits every 12 hours with what
>> appears to be random minute intervals.  I have also noticed it often
>> transmits at either 4 or 8 hour intervals.  The data last for about 3
>> seconds.  This data appears to be very wide band or at least generating
>> a lot of wide band noise when it transmits.  I have been trying to
>> determine at what frequency most of the power is on but so far haven't
>> been able to.  At first I thought since the X-10 units were being
>> scrambled the meter might be on 120 kHz.  But we know 120 kHz will not
>> pass through power distribution transformers, at least not at X-10 power
>> levels.
>>
>> Today with the SDR-IQ set to view 0 to 190 khz and connected to my LF
>> xmit antenna I can detect what appears to be other meters also transmitting.
>>
>> Picture of the SDR display which shows the approximate 3 second
>> transmission:
>>
>> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data.jpg
>>
>> Picture of the meter:
>>
>> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg
>>
>> I'm afraid this will be a real nuisance when I connect my LF receive
>> antennas for the winter.
>>
>> Dex
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k5wms at centurytel.net  Wed Oct  6 17:59:36 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:59:36 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
Message-ID: <20101006175936.uuvdbe8zm7sws8kw@webmail2.centurytel.net>

Eric the phrase let sleeping dogs lie (or lyingdogs sleep) comes to 
mind. Going up against the power companies would be like carring a 
knife to a gun fight. We would loose. 

I have one of the offending meters and hear birdies up through the 80 
meter band, not so much on lowfer. 
I need to hook up SDR rec and run a sweep of 100 to 200khz. Most of the 
gadgets like AC shut down switches for peak periods seem to be short 
lived. Maybe this technology will be short lived. 

A few years ago I got bills for minimum, about $15, for several months. 
It took at least 12 or 15 calls to get meter replaced. Thankfully they 
didnt bill me for back payment. I suspect the teenager in charge didnt 
know what to do. 

Paul k5wms

Quoting Eric Smith <esmithmail at gmail.com>:
> Hey guys, what do you think about this?  Now, I'm just playing devil's
> advocate here...as you know, I am on your side:
>
> Now, I would term our experimental 2200m license grants as
> "provisional", and here is why:  Since it was the utilities that
> raised a fuss essentially shutting down 2200m as a formal ham band,
> how strong do you think we could go to the net when making a statement
> that the power company is interfering with a duly FCC licensed radio
> station??  That is, when talking 2200m?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Eric KD5UWL / WD2XFX
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:48 PM, "Stan, W1LE" <stanw1le at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >  Hello Dex,
> >
> > 1. Would be interesting to get a broadband current probe around one of
> > the AC conductors,
> > then feed the probe output to the Rx. 
> >
> > 2. Maybe the manufacturer has a out of band RF power trap to place at
> > the source (meter). 
> > Suppress the noise at the source. 
> >
> > 3. Maybe the manufacturer or the electric coop RFI/EMI section can
> > advise on where
> > the real energy is, freq wise. So all other energy can be suppressed. 
> > I would lodge a formal RFI/EMI complaint with them first.... 
> > Interfering with FCC licensed emergency radio communications.... blah,
> > blah, blah
> >
> > 4. The plastic (non-metallic) meter case may not provide adequate
> > shielding,
> > supplement with a metal shield. 
> >
> > Stan, W1LE       Cape Cod     FN41sr
> >
> >
> > On 10/6/2010 1:05 PM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
> >> My local power utility recently replaced a 900 MHz remote reading meter
> >> with a new type.  The 900 MHz meter had a FCC ID and I was able to find
> >> all the test data on that meter when it was installed about 5 years
> >> ago.  The new meter has no FCC certification probably because it
> >> transmits it's data via PLC.  The 900 MHz meter required a drive by to
> >> read the power usage once a month where as this new meter transmits data
> >> multiple times per day. 
> >>
> >> As soon as the new meter was installed I noticed several UPS units I
> >> have online would switch to battery.  Then I started havening problems
> >> with several X-10 devices which would either toggle on or off when the
> >> meter sent data.  The data regularly transmits every 12 hours with what
> >> appears to be random minute intervals.  I have also noticed it often
> >> transmits at either 4 or 8 hour intervals.  The data last for about 3
> >> seconds.  This data appears to be very wide band or at least generating
> >> a lot of wide band noise when it transmits.  I have been trying to
> >> determine at what frequency most of the power is on but so far haven't
> >> been able to.  At first I thought since the X-10 units were being
> >> scrambled the meter might be on 120 kHz.  But we know 120 kHz will not
> >> pass through power distribution transformers, at least not at X-10 power
> >> levels. 
> >>
> >> Today with the SDR-IQ set to view 0 to 190 khz and connected to my LF
> >> xmit antenna I can detect what appears to be other meters also 
> transmitting. 
> >>
> >> Picture of the SDR display which shows the approximate 3 second
> >> transmission:
> >>
> >> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data.jpg
> >>
> >> Picture of the meter:
> >>
> >> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg
> >>
> >> I'm afraid this will be a real nuisance when I connect my LF receive
> >> antennas for the winter. 
> >>
> >> Dex
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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> >
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Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


From esmithmail at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 18:12:27 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <20101006175936.uuvdbe8zm7sws8kw@webmail2.centurytel.net>
References: <20101006175936.uuvdbe8zm7sws8kw@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <-1170306412758334852@unknownmsgid>

Oh yes, I agree with you regarding the gun fight.  That is in fact
what I was saying.  Yes, let sleeping dogs...well...sleep!  :)

On Oct 6, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "Paul Daulton" <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Eric the phrase let sleeping dogs lie (or lyingdogs sleep) comes to
> mind. Going up against the power companies would be like carring a
> knife to a gun fight. We would loose.
>
> I have one of the offending meters and hear birdies up through the 80
> meter band, not so much on lowfer.
> I need to hook up SDR rec and run a sweep of 100 to 200khz. Most of the
> gadgets like AC shut down switches for peak periods seem to be short
> lived. Maybe this technology will be short lived.
>
> A few years ago I got bills for minimum, about $15, for several months.
> It took at least 12 or 15 calls to get meter replaced. Thankfully they
> didnt bill me for back payment. I suspect the teenager in charge didnt
> know what to do.
>
> Paul k5wms
>
> Quoting Eric Smith <esmithmail at gmail.com>:
>> Hey guys, what do you think about this?  Now, I'm just playing devil's
>> advocate here...as you know, I am on your side:
>>
>> Now, I would term our experimental 2200m license grants as
>> "provisional", and here is why:  Since it was the utilities that
>> raised a fuss essentially shutting down 2200m as a formal ham band,
>> how strong do you think we could go to the net when making a statement
>> that the power company is interfering with a duly FCC licensed radio
>> station??  That is, when talking 2200m?
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Eric KD5UWL / WD2XFX
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:48 PM, "Stan, W1LE" <stanw1le at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dex,
>>>
>>> 1. Would be interesting to get a broadband current probe around one of
>>> the AC conductors,
>>> then feed the probe output to the Rx.
>>>
>>> 2. Maybe the manufacturer has a out of band RF power trap to place at
>>> the source (meter).
>>> Suppress the noise at the source.
>>>
>>> 3. Maybe the manufacturer or the electric coop RFI/EMI section can
>>> advise on where
>>> the real energy is, freq wise. So all other energy can be suppressed.
>>> I would lodge a formal RFI/EMI complaint with them first....
>>> Interfering with FCC licensed emergency radio communications.... blah,
>>> blah, blah
>>>
>>> 4. The plastic (non-metallic) meter case may not provide adequate
>>> shielding,
>>> supplement with a metal shield.
>>>
>>> Stan, W1LE       Cape Cod     FN41sr
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/6/2010 1:05 PM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
>>>> My local power utility recently replaced a 900 MHz remote reading meter
>>>> with a new type.  The 900 MHz meter had a FCC ID and I was able to find
>>>> all the test data on that meter when it was installed about 5 years
>>>> ago.  The new meter has no FCC certification probably because it
>>>> transmits it's data via PLC.  The 900 MHz meter required a drive by to
>>>> read the power usage once a month where as this new meter transmits data
>>>> multiple times per day.
>>>>
>>>> As soon as the new meter was installed I noticed several UPS units I
>>>> have online would switch to battery.  Then I started havening problems
>>>> with several X-10 devices which would either toggle on or off when the
>>>> meter sent data.  The data regularly transmits every 12 hours with what
>>>> appears to be random minute intervals.  I have also noticed it often
>>>> transmits at either 4 or 8 hour intervals.  The data last for about 3
>>>> seconds.  This data appears to be very wide band or at least generating
>>>> a lot of wide band noise when it transmits.  I have been trying to
>>>> determine at what frequency most of the power is on but so far haven't
>>>> been able to.  At first I thought since the X-10 units were being
>>>> scrambled the meter might be on 120 kHz.  But we know 120 kHz will not
>>>> pass through power distribution transformers, at least not at X-10 power
>>>> levels.
>>>>
>>>> Today with the SDR-IQ set to view 0 to 190 khz and connected to my LF
>>>> xmit antenna I can detect what appears to be other meters also
>> transmitting.
>>>>
>>>> Picture of the SDR display which shows the approximate 3 second
>>>> transmission:
>>>>
>>>> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Picture of the meter:
>>>>
>>>> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid this will be a real nuisance when I connect my LF receive
>>>> antennas for the winter.
>>>>
>>>> Dex
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Lowfer mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>
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> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
> em34wu
>
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From cvest at cox.net  Wed Oct  6 18:44:14 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:44:14 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
References: <20101006175936.uuvdbe8zm7sws8kw@webmail2.centurytel.net>
	<-1170306412758334852@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <818C2201D908440FA9DCF19452E25DB5@MAIN>

Just a quick comment on making a challenge .

I think the power companies "might" withstand a challenge on PLC meters , 
but those are not the only new generation meters out there .

Such as the 900 MHz. model mentioned , they have no more right to create 
interference than anyone else . Also since it is a transmitter , it would 
have to be type accepted . There is also a spread spectrum model , that I 
haven't yet run into anyone dealing with it .

I am not in any way trying to start an argument , just considering other 
aspects and implications from new technology , which is just the tip of the 
iceberg , related to what we are going to be seeing if the ever mythical 
smart power grid comes into being .

One could also probably make a case against the interference from the LF 
meters also . If you are receiving interference from them while trying to 
listen to commercial stations , NAA , WWVB , NDB's , NAVTEX , on and on , 
then I see that as not acceptable either .

Luckily so far , other than Dex's case , I have followed 3 other cases , 
Laurence's included , and the utilities were cooperative in resolving the 
problem in 2 of those 3 cases .

In the case of Charles in Austin , he is not a ham or a transmitting 
experimenter , just a very successful and avid designer and experimenter in 
DC to MF listening .

Luckily in his case , being the owner of Wenzel Associates in Austin 
(www.wenzel.com) , and Croven Crystals , in New Jersey , he had the test 
equipment , technical expertise , and resources to resolve the problem on 
his own .

It is an area that will affect more and more of us and we need to keep 
exchanging notes and ideas on how to best handle it so we can still 
experiment and enjoy our hobby .

Charlie , W5COV




From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  6 19:40:44 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <818C2201D908440FA9DCF19452E25DB5@MAIN>
Message-ID: <775212.47842.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Charlie , W5COV <cvest at cox.net> wrote:

> just considering other aspects and implications from new technology , 
> which is just the tip of the iceberg , related to what we are going 
> to be seeing if the ever mythical smart power grid comes into being .

Unfortunately !! the " mythical " smart power grid, is swiftly becoming
a reality. The city of Cleveland, TN. which is not a huge city by no
means, just received a government grant to purchase, and install the
new " smart meters " which they hope to have operational by spring of
2011. The purpose of the meters are to have the utility ready for the 
new billing, and power control process of TVA. The new billing process
will bill customers at higher rates during peak power usage times, and
are geared especially toward business, and industrial customers to 
charge much higher rates between the hours of 1pm to 6pm. TVA is
touting the new metering, and billing sytem as a way for its 
customers to cut back on electricity usage during these times of the 
day...( yeah right ) and home users can have a system that can notify
them if they exceed a preset value of electricity usage, and when the 
alarm goes off, they can shut down non-essential electrical devices,
and turn down their AC's or Heating systems until the peak time passes
or they will have to pay the much higher peak usage rates.
The facts of life as it is, or soon will be; where you are.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

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--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Charlie , W5COV <cvest at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Charlie , W5COV <cvest at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 6:44 PM
> Just a quick comment on making a
> challenge .
> 
> I think the power companies "might" withstand a challenge
> on PLC meters , 
> but those are not the only new generation meters out there
> .
> 
> Such as the 900 MHz. model mentioned , they have no more
> right to create 
> interference than anyone else . Also since it is a
> transmitter , it would 
> have to be type accepted . There is also a spread spectrum
> model , that I 
> haven't yet run into anyone dealing with it .
> 
> I am not in any way trying to start an argument , just
> considering other 
> aspects and implications from new technology , which is
> just the tip of the 
> iceberg , related to what we are going to be seeing if the
> ever mythical 
> smart power grid comes into being .
> 
> One could also probably make a case against the
> interference from the LF 
> meters also . If you are receiving interference from them
> while trying to 
> listen to commercial stations , NAA , WWVB , NDB's , NAVTEX
> , on and on , 
> then I see that as not acceptable either .
> 
> Luckily so far , other than Dex's case , I have followed 3
> other cases , 
> Laurence's included , and the utilities were cooperative in
> resolving the 
> problem in 2 of those 3 cases .
> 
> In the case of Charles in Austin , he is not a ham or a
> transmitting 
> experimenter , just a very successful and avid designer and
> experimenter in 
> DC to MF listening .
> 
> Luckily in his case , being the owner of Wenzel Associates
> in Austin 
> (www.wenzel.com) , and Croven Crystals , in New Jersey , he
> had the test 
> equipment , technical expertise , and resources to resolve
> the problem on 
> his own .
> 
> It is an area that will affect more and more of us and we
> need to keep 
> exchanging notes and ideas on how to best handle it so we
> can still 
> experiment and enjoy our hobby .
> 
> Charlie , W5COV
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From evp at pacbell.net  Wed Oct  6 19:56:24 2010
From: evp at pacbell.net (EVP)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:56:24 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <775212.47842.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <775212.47842.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CAD0CA8.9020102@pacbell.net>

    Just about everyone needs electric power and just about no one knows 
about our hobby or cares what happens to us.  'Don't start a fight you 
can't win."

Ed

From hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 20:11:41 2010
From: hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com (Laurence KL7UK)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:11:41 -0800
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <818C2201D908440FA9DCF19452E25DB5@MAIN>
References: <20101006175936.uuvdbe8zm7sws8kw@webmail2.centurytel.net>,
	<-1170306412758334852@unknownmsgid>,
	<818C2201D908440FA9DCF19452E25DB5@MAIN>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W1738D5933D16972C8E4BE5CF6F0@phx.gbl>


Got to say my Alaskan Utility was very supportive and very quick to respond - I did go very softly but did after introductions dropped that I used to track interference similar (and pirate stations) as part of my job when I was with the UK's GPO back in the 70's (as it was then) DTI/RA nee BBC now - demonstrating with a portable (PL600) was very positive - putting the Turtle on = interference  Turtle off = none (helps the PL600 is pretty deaf at 100KHz!) I didnt go hard on the guy who was more interested in the field of research I was conducting and seemed pleased that an amicable (and more expensive for the Utility) actually worked out - I didnt shout foul, part 5, 15 et al just the facts mam/man, just the facts..
 
Now I have two more house across the road being built and it will be interesting to see if I get into round 2 (hey they can read manually three meters as easily as one, right?) - not sure where the sub station with the Turtle decoder is but we are underground for the first 750Meters, then over head, conversion to 220/110 is done in a small Green box (3.3Kv?) at the end of my drive way.
 
Laurence KL7 UK (/5 Okie)
  		 	   		  

From cvest at cox.net  Wed Oct  6 20:11:46 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
References: <775212.47842.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<4CAD0CA8.9020102@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <2B592499A36A450B8F2CB5F4968ADCA1@MAIN>

We can look at it as an opportunity to develop new methods and technology to 
deal with it . We will might even end up with enhancements that will be of 
benefit to our current technology .

In one sense it is good that it is in an area of the spectrum where the 
people are still designers , builders and experimenters .

Charlie , W5COV


>    Just about everyone needs electric power and just about no one knows
> about our hobby or cares what happens to us.  'Don't start a fight you
> can't win."
>
> Ed
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From turner at ussc.com  Wed Oct  6 20:19:53 2010
From: turner at ussc.com (C. Turner)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <2B592499A36A450B8F2CB5F4968ADCA1@MAIN>
References: <775212.47842.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>	<4CAD0CA8.9020102@pacbell.net>
	<2B592499A36A450B8F2CB5F4968ADCA1@MAIN>
Message-ID: <4CAD1229.3000807@ussc.com>

I believe that the "Turtle" is/was made by Hunt Technologies - or a 
similar name.  Mr. Hunt himself is a ham and if taken the right approach 
may be sympathetic to your cause.

73,

Clint
KA7OEI/CT


Charlie , W5COV wrote:
> We can look at it as an opportunity to develop new methods and technology to
> deal with it . We will might even end up with enhancements that will be of
> benefit to our current technology .
>
> In one sense it is good that it is in an area of the spectrum where the
> people are still designers , builders and experimenters .
>
> Charlie , W5COV
>
>
>    
>>     Just about everyone needs electric power and just about no one knows
>> about our hobby or cares what happens to us.  'Don't start a fight you
>> can't win."
>>
>> Ed
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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct  6 20:28:28 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:28:28 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Copy SIW
In-Reply-To: <4CA9E17D.9020403@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CA9E17D.9020403@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24CFE4B480AB4FEDC115B7E96F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Garry - well - turnabout is fair play - a capture of your signal - and I was attempting a capture of SIW, and 
you were there early evening - just past 8pm EDT (7PM CDT) right on 299.3.
Nice signal - getting a full ID now - and will forward later this evening.
Showing an upward drift - but probably my receiver - having just turned it on.

Mitch 

From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Oct  6 20:31:43 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:31:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw beacon
Message-ID: <21589594.300246.1286411503131.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net>

WE2XGR/1 is in cw beacon mode on 506.3 
reports welcome!

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1




From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  6 23:33:51 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:33:51 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Copy SIW
Message-ID: <4CAD3F9F.5070909@sbcglobal.net>

Mitch, thanks for the reception report of SIW. I used to receive MP in 
broad daylight so glad it isn't taking until the dead of night for SIW 
to show up on your waterfall.

Also, thanks to Todd and Laurence for reception reports from SC and OK. 
The KL1X Bartlesville and Alaskan grabbers sure are helpful for 
indicating what and when various sources are transmitting.

Guess the new variometer and additional ground rods are helping, but 
still have a long way to go to get in the ballpark of WEB.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From jh.bodin at telia.com  Thu Oct  7 03:07:34 2010
From: jh.bodin at telia.com (Johan H. Bodin)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:07:34 +0200
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAD71B6.1000706@telia.com>

Dex,

your Landis & Gyr meter has a TWACS communication module. TWACS is a PLC system
designed by Aclara Power-Line Systems Inc.

  http://www.aclara.com

There's a lot of marketing bla bla on the site, I doubt that you will find any
technical information there but you may find some info' in patent documents. For
example U.S. patent 7,733,245 and patent application 20100054349.

Another horrible example, 35 million units in France:
http://meterpedia.com/mwp/2009/09/07/plc-standard-for-france-revealed-by-erdf/

The days of quiet LF bands are over... :-(

73
Johan SM6LKM

Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote 2010-10-06 19:05:
> http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_landisgry_focus.jpg

From jh.bodin at telia.com  Thu Oct  7 03:09:14 2010
From: jh.bodin at telia.com (Johan H. Bodin)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:09:14 +0200
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAD721A.8090606@telia.com>

And here:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2010025082&IA=US2009054482&DISPLAY=STATUS

73
Johan SM6LKM

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  7 09:11:16 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] WMS and Navtex over night in NE IL
Message-ID: <4CADC6F4.4080709@sbcglobal.net>

518 kHz Navtex from the south was enhanced last night. Copied both 
Bermuda, $04B and Puerto Montt, Chile, $15K around transmissions by the 
Miami station. Sunrise WSPR signals with dial set to 499.6 kHz, USB were 
good too from all 4 USA transmitting stations. Not as lucky trying to 
copy WMS and UWL at the lowfer watering hole. Saw traces again of WMS at 
185.30155 kHz but too hard to decode the dots and dashes using QRSS60. 
Will try QRSS30 next time.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct  7 09:19:43 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:19:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
Message-ID: <10839126.291202.1286457583070.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>

>  Just about everyone needs electric power and just about no one knows 
>about our hobby or cares what happens to us.  'Don't start a fight you 
> can't win."

Ah yes roll over and play dead. 

Ed - have you considered running for ARRL President?

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 6, 2010 07:56:32 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

===========================================

  

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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 10:14:14 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:14:14 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw beacon
In-Reply-To: <21589594.300246.1286411503131.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <21589594.300246.1286411503131.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsJz0_hE2t6k0iv2G0X8gcaRB0v7MUVRa6O2=j@mail.gmail.com>

tried several Argo modes ..not sure what you are sending but here is
what I was getting..??could this be you??
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/ors.jpg

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:31 AM,  <k2ors at verizon.net> wrote:
> WE2XGR/1 is in cw beacon mode on 506.3
> reports welcome!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> ? ? ? ? ?WD2XGJ
> ? ? ? ? ?WD2XSH/23
> ? ? ? ? ?WE2XEB/2
> ? ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1
>
>
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct  7 10:57:43 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:57:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw beacon
Message-ID: <2463282.278681.1286463463957.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>

Lloyd,

           Thanks for the capture, not sure if that was me, I was sending around 8 wpm.

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 7, 2010 10:14:22 AM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

tried several Argo modes ..not sure what you are sending but here is
what I was getting..??could this be you??
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/ors.jpg

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:31 AM,   wrote:
> WE2XGR/1 is in cw beacon mode on 506.3
> reports welcome!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>          WD2XGJ
>          WD2XSH/23
>          WE2XEB/2
>          WE2XGR/1
>
>
>
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Thu Oct  7 11:07:49 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:07:49 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Reports for " WEB "
Message-ID: <fbc31.7327d713.39df3c45@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/4/2010 2:32:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ku4xr at yahoo.com writes:

Hi everyone:

I just received an email today from Bill - " WEB "  thanking me for
sending him the capture, and report on his beacon signal.  Some may
not know that he does not subscribe to the LOWFER email list, so  he
does not see the reports being posted about his beacon. He told me
that  I was the first report he has gotten in months. I'm sure it 
would make him  very happy to get some more captures, and reports.
If any of you guys have  one recently, and want to send it direct
to him, fire it off to:   -    williame 1122 @ live. com    - 
Please  remove all the spaces in the email address.

73 
 
 
Hi Andy,
Thanks for Bill Bower's current email address. I sent him a report of
receiving WEB last weekend and reported his beacon was slightly
lower in frequency than his listing.
 
Bill wrote back and said he went to check why his frequency was a bit  low
and found his transmitter and circuit board was covered with
"Mud Daubers" and was a real mess.
 
He said he may try to clean the mess if possible or rebuild the  circuit. 
He is off to
a family reunion so "WEB" may be off the air for a week or two.
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG

From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 12:43:46 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:43:46 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter QRM on LF
In-Reply-To: <4CAD71B6.1000706@telia.com>
References: <4CACAC69.60509@gmail.com> <4CAD71B6.1000706@telia.com>
Message-ID: <4CADF8C2.50505@gmail.com>

With the SDR-IQ connected to a wire wrapped around a probe inserted into 
the hot side of a power receptacle I just captured this display showing 
most of the data energy at 120 KHz.  X-10 devices also operate at this 
frequency.  If 120 KHz is the primary frequency the meter is 
transmitting how is it passing through the utilities transformers?  
After my meter reported I am hearing and seeing lots of activity around 
2 to 5 KHz.  These signal last longer than the meter's transmission. 

http://w4dex.com/temp/ac_utility/utility_meter_data_07oct2010.jpg

Thanks for all the info I have received.  The more I know about how this 
system operates the better prepared I will be to discuss a possible cure 
with the power utilities engineers.

Dex

From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  7 13:39:58 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:39:58 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Copy SIW
In-Reply-To: <4CAD3F9F.5070909@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CAD3F9F.5070909@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP59FD65FC2D3F303D87FCA6E96F0@phx.gbl>

Just arrived home - and solid copy across the screen at 1 pm EDT (12 noon CDT ).
Great signa - using K9AY antenna with R75 - now switching to 12 ft octoloop ( 1/2 inch copper.
More later - and captures to follow.

Mitch
On 2010-10-06, at 11:33 PM, Garry Hess wrote:

> Mitch, thanks for the reception report of SIW. I used to receive MP in 
> broad daylight so glad it isn't taking until the dead of night for SIW 
> to show up on your waterfall.
> 
> Also, thanks to Todd and Laurence for reception reports from SC and OK. 
> The KL1X Bartlesville and Alaskan grabbers sure are helpful for 
> indicating what and when various sources are transmitting.
> 
> Guess the new variometer and additional ground rods are helping, but 
> still have a long way to go to get in the ballpark of WEB.
> 
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL


From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct  7 16:25:10 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:25:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW midday
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP77B4AAA20AA168B2536099E96F0@phx.gbl>

Garry:
@ 4:22 pm EDT - (3:22 CDT ) still 100% - no misses - great daytime copy.

Mitch

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 20:59:25 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " antenna
Message-ID: <840569.5194.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I have had to rebuild the " A " frame masting for the antenna.
Not using good judgement, I mixed new 2X4's on the bottom, with 
old 2X4's for the top part of the " A " frame. When attempting to
raise the antenna, the results weren't pretty at all. The masting
broke at the joint of the 2X4's. Fortunately no one was hurt.
The masting broke while the antenna was still very close to the
ground, and no damage was done to the vertical portion of the
antenna when it hit the ground. Today, I finished the rebuilding
with all new wood, and added cross members, and angle supports to
stabilize the masting from side to side movement. It is very
sturdy now. While the mast was down, I also replaced the tent
stakes I was using for the tilt over swivel. I had 18 inch stakes
in the ground, and when the antenna fell, they pulled out of the 
ground, so I replaced them with 3 foot stakes. 
After finishing the masting, and putting the antenna back together,
I re-did my resistance measurements after Ralph mentioned that my 
meter might be reading wrong. His assumption was correct. The LCR
meter I have has a low resistance scale that is very sensitive.
With the leads open, it shows infinity of course. But when the 
leads are shorted; it reads 1.3 Ohms, I can squeeze the ends of the
probes with my fingers, and the reading drops to .7 Ohms. 
So definitely it will produce erroneous readings. Taking the 1.3 Ohms
and subtracting it from the measured value of 3.2 Ohms today yields
1.9 Ohms as measured today. And that was measured over the entire
40 feet of the antenna. ( tip of the down lead to the tip of the
top hat )...
The antenna is ready for another attempt at raising, hopefully with
better results this time.

73 everyone :



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From w1tag at charter.net  Fri Oct  8 19:33:00 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES QRPP WOLF
Message-ID: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>

WD2XES will be running WOLF(10) on 137.450 kHz through Monday night. 
Transmitter output power is 50 milliwatts, which should be about 100 
microwatts ERP. DX is not expected!

Lowfer TAG will be off from mid-day Saturday through Monday afternoon.

John, W1TAG/WD2XES

From ve2iq at magma.ca  Sat Oct  9 08:22:20 2010
From: ve2iq at magma.ca (Bill de Carle)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 08:22:20 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES QRPP WOLF
In-Reply-To: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>

At 07:33 PM 10/8/2010, John, W1TAG wrote:
>WD2XES will be running WOLF(10) on 137.450 kHz through Monday night.
>Transmitter output power is 50 milliwatts, which should be about 100
>microwatts ERP. DX is not expected!
>
>Lowfer TAG will be off from mid-day Saturday through Monday afternoon.

Thanks for the test signal.  Last night I went out with a flashlight, 
connecting two loops in series to favor signals arriving from the 
south-east.  When I got back to the shack I noticed a high contact 
resistance outside, resulting in low Q and low SNR.  WOLF locked on 
to your signal but no message copy by bedtime. Figured there might be 
a chance anyway so left a notebook running.  After the static abated 
at sunup this morning there you were:

2010-10-09 10:01:01 >WOLF10  -r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.077 a: 1.0 dp: 92.4 ci: 5 cj:132 2UL1VIT FKRV900 ?
t:  48 f: 0.048 a: 0.4 dp: 88.0 ci: 0 cj: 55 JGV.A2/6J7N7OKB -
t:  96 f:-0.083 a: 1.3 dp: 83.9 ci: 9 cj: 78 9PCREF.ESDR1IF. ?
t: 192 f: 0.020 pm:30.49 jm:747 q:-14.6 -8.2 5ZI7LGLCD5MBD13 ?
t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:31.56 jm:787 q:-11.7 -7.8 PDY0CO1OEDF*6F5 ?
t: 384 f:-0.039 pm:37.67 jm:765 q:-11.4 -8.4 DGOO8MIQK71.J*T ?
t: 480 f: 0.049 pm:49.43 jm:509 q:-10.0 -9.6 P9R???0.WJSC8PO ?
t: 576 f: 0.049 pm:50.19 jm:509 q: -9.9 -8.8 P9R???ZHPWGMPA/ ?
t: 672 f: 0.049 pm:57.70 jm:509 q: -8.9 -9.0 HP/KI3HOT/ATVK5 ?
t: 768 f: 0.049 pm:58.00 jm:509 q: -8.7 -7.1 FN*EZ8MS0 TPJZA ?
t: 864 f:-0.088 pm:66.93 jm:730 q: -7.6 -7.4 S5MHEETH2UTNU6Q ?
t: 960 f:-0.088 pm:71.54 jm:730 q: -7.4 -8.4 JU54Z2E5D0MH6F2 ?
t:1056 f:-0.088 pm:76.81 jm:730 q: -7.2 -9.0 71TBPSC3SOL43BS ?
t:1152 f:-0.088 pm:85.65 jm:730 q: -6.7 -8.2 7MLP7KP40ZR6YTL ?
t:1248 f:-0.088 pm:85.79 jm:730 q: -6.4 -8.0 7MLP7KP40ZR6YTL ?
t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:95.47 jm:374 q: -4.1 -9.0 7YJ Z3EC47/*1VB ?
t:1440 f: 0.000 pm:112.5 jm:374 q: -3.9 -8.9 U/4LKR???.S34YP ?
t:1536 f: 0.000 pm:124.4 jm:374 q: -3.4 -8.6 .QVKZP9YP6C*F32 ?
t:1632 f: 0.000 pm:149.3 jm:374 q: -3.0 -8.9 U/4B72QSSTD9??? ?
t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:159.8 jm:374 q: -2.3 -5.7 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:1824 f: 0.000 pm:167.5 jm:374 q: -1.9 -5.1 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:222.2 jm:374 q: -1.0 -4.2 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2016 f: 0.000 pm:268.4 jm:374 q: -0.2 -3.6 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:306.2 jm:374 q:  0.2 -2.8 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2208 f: 0.000 pm:309.6 jm:374 q:  0.3 -1.9 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:319.2 jm:374 q:  0.5 -1.7 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2400 f: 0.000 pm:329.4 jm:374 q:  0.6 -1.6 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2496 f: 0.000 pm:333.2 jm:374 q:  0.5 -1.5 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2592 f: 0.000 pm:337.5 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.5 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:338.6 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.8 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2784 f: 0.000 pm:341.0 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.9 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2880 f: 0.000 pm:347.1 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.8 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:2976 f: 0.000 pm:347.4 jm:374 q:  0.8 -1.7 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:348.3 jm:374 q:  0.8 -1.9 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
t:3168 f: 0.000 pm:363.8 jm:374 q:  1.0 -2.0 WD2XES 50MW OUT -

Guess it shouldn't be unexpected since little WOLF in Raymond is 
always pretty solid here and your TX loop at Holden is no doubt better suited.

73,
Bill VE2IQ


From wa3usg at verizon.net  Sat Oct  9 09:31:49 2010
From: wa3usg at verizon.net (Dick Goodman)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:31:49 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WSPR on 160M last night
Message-ID: <LBENKNHPADCIMLPCBOKNKEGKEHAA.wa3usg@verizon.net>

Gang,

   Well after many, many years I took down and rebuilt my 160 meter sloper.
I'd never normally buy a wire antenna but this was so cheap, I bought it at
a hamfest about 20 years ago for $5 (and I bet it was over 10 years old
then). It's a Sultronics Triband 180-80-40M Sloper, it has two loading
coils. Last Thursday I got home from work and found the it lying in the
yard. The antenna wire itself finally corroded to a point where it literally
broke. I had about a 100 feet of copper weld so I rebult the sloper. I used
my antenna analyzer and got the antenna working on all three bands great. I
retuned the 160M segment so it's optimal on the low part of the band.
   Last night I ran WSPR on 160M. I ran about 8 watts and I was copied in
New Zealand and Europe http://mysite.verizon.net/wa3usg/160M.jpg
   I also took down my AMRAD E-Field probe and replaced the ground wire ...
hopefully by this evening I will also have the remote tuning unit and remote
preamp installed in my big loop that's mounted on my garden shed ... I'm
getting ready for this Winters LF reception.

See you guys!

73
Dick, WA3USG
Mechanicsburg, PA.
FN10LE


From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 11:32:04 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:32:04 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES QRPP WOLF
In-Reply-To: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEeyMkgbmfqgb6f2U3pAYV258EEEeHz51Zor_w@mail.gmail.com>

John been listening but no-go so far...pretty tough with the peanut
power..Will keep checking
de Lloyd

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:33 PM, John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net> wrote:
> WD2XES will be running WOLF(10) on 137.450 kHz through Monday night.
> Transmitter output power is 50 milliwatts, which should be about 100
> microwatts ERP. DX is not expected!
>
> Lowfer TAG will be off from mid-day Saturday through Monday afternoon.
>
> John, W1TAG/WD2XES
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Oct  9 11:39:29 2010
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES QRPP WOLF
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>

Bill, Lloyd,

Wow. Didn't expect that one, Bill. 350 miles? Not bad. I'll be listening 
for it in Maine at 130 miles, so that should work. Thanks!

Lloyd, you may yet catch a quiet time with a signal peak. Not 
impossible, obviously. Thanks.

John, W1TAG

On 10/9/2010 12:22 PM, Bill de Carle wrote:
> At 07:33 PM 10/8/2010, John, W1TAG wrote:
>> WD2XES will be running WOLF(10) on 137.450 kHz through Monday night.
>> Transmitter output power is 50 milliwatts, which should be about 100
>> microwatts ERP. DX is not expected!
>>
>> Lowfer TAG will be off from mid-day Saturday through Monday afternoon.
>
> Thanks for the test signal.  Last night I went out with a flashlight,
> connecting two loops in series to favor signals arriving from the
> south-east.  When I got back to the shack I noticed a high contact
> resistance outside, resulting in low Q and low SNR.  WOLF locked on
> to your signal but no message copy by bedtime. Figured there might be
> a chance anyway so left a notebook running.  After the static abated
> at sunup this morning there you were:
>
> 2010-10-09 10:01:01>WOLF10  -r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
> t:  24 f:-0.077 a: 1.0 dp: 92.4 ci: 5 cj:132 2UL1VIT FKRV900 ?
> t:  48 f: 0.048 a: 0.4 dp: 88.0 ci: 0 cj: 55 JGV.A2/6J7N7OKB -
> t:  96 f:-0.083 a: 1.3 dp: 83.9 ci: 9 cj: 78 9PCREF.ESDR1IF. ?
> t: 192 f: 0.020 pm:30.49 jm:747 q:-14.6 -8.2 5ZI7LGLCD5MBD13 ?
> t: 288 f:-0.020 pm:31.56 jm:787 q:-11.7 -7.8 PDY0CO1OEDF*6F5 ?
> t: 384 f:-0.039 pm:37.67 jm:765 q:-11.4 -8.4 DGOO8MIQK71.J*T ?
> t: 480 f: 0.049 pm:49.43 jm:509 q:-10.0 -9.6 P9R???0.WJSC8PO ?
> t: 576 f: 0.049 pm:50.19 jm:509 q: -9.9 -8.8 P9R???ZHPWGMPA/ ?
> t: 672 f: 0.049 pm:57.70 jm:509 q: -8.9 -9.0 HP/KI3HOT/ATVK5 ?
> t: 768 f: 0.049 pm:58.00 jm:509 q: -8.7 -7.1 FN*EZ8MS0 TPJZA ?
> t: 864 f:-0.088 pm:66.93 jm:730 q: -7.6 -7.4 S5MHEETH2UTNU6Q ?
> t: 960 f:-0.088 pm:71.54 jm:730 q: -7.4 -8.4 JU54Z2E5D0MH6F2 ?
> t:1056 f:-0.088 pm:76.81 jm:730 q: -7.2 -9.0 71TBPSC3SOL43BS ?
> t:1152 f:-0.088 pm:85.65 jm:730 q: -6.7 -8.2 7MLP7KP40ZR6YTL ?
> t:1248 f:-0.088 pm:85.79 jm:730 q: -6.4 -8.0 7MLP7KP40ZR6YTL ?
> t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:95.47 jm:374 q: -4.1 -9.0 7YJ Z3EC47/*1VB ?
> t:1440 f: 0.000 pm:112.5 jm:374 q: -3.9 -8.9 U/4LKR???.S34YP ?
> t:1536 f: 0.000 pm:124.4 jm:374 q: -3.4 -8.6 .QVKZP9YP6C*F32 ?
> t:1632 f: 0.000 pm:149.3 jm:374 q: -3.0 -8.9 U/4B72QSSTD9??? ?
> t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:159.8 jm:374 q: -2.3 -5.7 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:1824 f: 0.000 pm:167.5 jm:374 q: -1.9 -5.1 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:222.2 jm:374 q: -1.0 -4.2 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2016 f: 0.000 pm:268.4 jm:374 q: -0.2 -3.6 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:306.2 jm:374 q:  0.2 -2.8 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2208 f: 0.000 pm:309.6 jm:374 q:  0.3 -1.9 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:319.2 jm:374 q:  0.5 -1.7 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2400 f: 0.000 pm:329.4 jm:374 q:  0.6 -1.6 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2496 f: 0.000 pm:333.2 jm:374 q:  0.5 -1.5 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2592 f: 0.000 pm:337.5 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.5 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:338.6 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.8 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2784 f: 0.000 pm:341.0 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.9 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2880 f: 0.000 pm:347.1 jm:374 q:  0.7 -1.8 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:2976 f: 0.000 pm:347.4 jm:374 q:  0.8 -1.7 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:348.3 jm:374 q:  0.8 -1.9 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
> t:3168 f: 0.000 pm:363.8 jm:374 q:  1.0 -2.0 WD2XES 50MW OUT -
>
> Guess it shouldn't be unexpected since little WOLF in Raymond is
> always pretty solid here and your TX loop at Holden is no doubt better suited.
>
> 73,
> Bill VE2IQ
>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  9 12:40:39 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WSPR on 160M last night
In-Reply-To: <LBENKNHPADCIMLPCBOKNKEGKEHAA.wa3usg@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <187333.73846.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Dick:

Congrats on the distance on 160 meters. I have never used a sloper
on any band, and due to the lack of supports that are high enough
to try one on 160 meters, I'm pretty much stuck with low to the 
ground dipoles. The best I have done to date on 160 WSPR is into
the UK, right around 4100 miles, and pretty much have to run around
25 watts to get consistent decodes. Good luck this winter... 73:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Dick Goodman <wa3usg at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Dick Goodman <wa3usg at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Lowfer] WSPR on 160M last night
> To: "LowFER Group" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 9:31 AM
> Gang,
> 
> ???Well after many, many years I took down
> and rebuilt my 160 meter sloper.
> I'd never normally buy a wire antenna but this was so
> cheap, I bought it at
> a hamfest about 20 years ago for $5 (and I bet it was over
> 10 years old
> then). It's a Sultronics Triband 180-80-40M Sloper, it has
> two loading
> coils. Last Thursday I got home from work and found the it
> lying in the
> yard. The antenna wire itself finally corroded to a point
> where it literally
> broke. I had about a 100 feet of copper weld so I rebult
> the sloper. I used
> my antenna analyzer and got the antenna working on all
> three bands great. I
> retuned the 160M segment so it's optimal on the low part of
> the band.
> ???Last night I ran WSPR on 160M. I ran
> about 8 watts and I was copied in
> New Zealand and Europe http://mysite.verizon.net/wa3usg/160M.jpg
> ???I also took down my AMRAD E-Field probe
> and replaced the ground wire ...
> hopefully by this evening I will also have the remote
> tuning unit and remote
> preamp installed in my big loop that's mounted on my garden
> shed ... I'm
> getting ready for this Winters LF reception.
> 
> See you guys!
> 
> 73
> Dick, WA3USG
> Mechanicsburg, PA.
> FN10LE
> 
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From stanw1le at verizon.net  Sat Oct  9 11:57:48 2010
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:57:48 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES QRPP WOLF
In-Reply-To: <4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>
	<4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>

  Hello Bill,

Interesting application of a loop array.

Are your loops:
1. separated single turn loops ?   What diameter,   what separation ?

2. multiple independent isolated turns on a common diameter ?   what 
diameter

In time, I am thinking more of an array for this location.
Probably separated loops with directivity on their common major axis.
Maybe multi isolated turns on each,  for either series or parallel 
connection.

Initial antenna will be a orthogonal pair of K9AY loops, Materials are 
on hand now.
Just can not do anything until the cement truck is finished.

May just delay the infrastructure projects until spring and put up the 
wire antennas
for the seasonal listening opportunities.

Stan, W1LE      Cape Cod     FN41sr



>> Last night I went out with a flashlight,
>> connecting two loops in series to favor signals arriving from the
>> south-east.


From ve2iq at magma.ca  Sat Oct  9 14:03:33 2010
From: ve2iq at magma.ca (Bill de Carle)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES QRPP WOLF
In-Reply-To: <4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>
	<4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com> <4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20101009131553.018ad128@magma.ca>

At 11:57 AM 10/9/2010, Stan, W1LE wrote:
>   Hello Bill,
>
>Interesting application of a loop array.
>
>Are your loops:
>1. separated single turn loops ?   What diameter,   what separation ?
>
>2. multiple independent isolated turns on a common diameter ?   what
>diameter

Hi Stan:

My loops are about 100' perimeter - rectangular.  30 feet horizontal 
by 20 feet vertical.  The bottom conductor is about 6' above 
ground.  I have a NS loop and an EW loop - the NS one uses the same 
tree for two of its supports as the EW one, so 3 trees forming a 90 
degree (approx) angle at the middle.  My loops aren't exactly equal 
in size and they aren't exactly orthogonal, so you can't just add the 
inductances when connecting them in series.  The wire is something I 
found years ago at a surplus dealer in St. Jerome, QC.  It has a 
great number of strands all twisted together (individual strands not 
insulated) and the overall diameter is about 5/16 inch.  Wire has a 
very tough insulation - I've used this stuff for about 20 years now 
out in the sun and ice with no sign of deterioration.  The loops are 
supported by bakelite insulators at 4 corners; each corner is 
attached to its tree support with one of those stretchy black rubber 
tie-downs the truckers use.  So when the wind blows the loops 
hopefully stay up.  I've had to replace the black rubber tie-downs 
many times: after about 2 years they disintegrate - but never had the 
conductor break yet.  Feed each loop at mid-point of bottom run, use 
450-ohm ladder lines to a point where there is another bakelite 
connection block.  I label the EW loop connections as A,B and the NS 
loop connections as C,D.  That lets me use either loop standalone, or 
by connecting them in series I can select one of 2 possible 45-degree 
lobes: NE-SW or NW-SE.  If you visualize a signal coming in from the 
SE for instance, the magnetic component will be horizontal and 
perpendicular to the line of arrival.  You can apply the right-hand 
rule in your head to figure out the correct series connection so the 
voltages in both loops reinforce for the incoming direction you 
prefer and cancel for the opposite.  I use a short jumper line with 
eyelets crimped onto the cable to make the series connection.  The 
remaining 2 terminals on the center bakelite block are the feed point 
connection.  Everything has to be low contact resistance back to the 
preamp box where I add more series inductance and tune to 
resonance.  Currently, I'm using a pre-amp (instrumentation amp made 
from 3 sections of a TL084, 4th section buffers VCC/2) to avoid 
loading the Q and drive the long cable back to the shack.  The 
arrangement worked quite well for years without a preamp but a higher 
Q helps pull in VLF stuff like SAQ.  With one of 2 switch-selected 
inductance supplements, I can tune both VLF and LF bands using a 16 
nF variable cap. The capacitor box consists of 4 fixed caps I can 
switch in (8, 4, 2, 1 nF) plus one 1000+ pF variable.  There is an 
isolating transformer at the preamp and one at the other end of the 
buried cable where it enters the house, so I use a 12-V gel cell to 
run the preamp out in the woods.  Cable is cheap twisted pair, about 
100 ohms impedance.  I started out laying it on the ground but after 
a few years it buried itself, hi!  So far the local critters haven't 
chewed through it.  The weak point of this system is too many 
connections.  About once a year I have to undo all the connections, 
clean them and re-make them.  Things corrode when exposed to the elements.

73,
Bill VE2IQ


From stanw1le at verizon.net  Sat Oct  9 15:58:35 2010
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:58:35 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20101009131553.018ad128@magma.ca>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>	<4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>
	<4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009131553.018ad128@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <4CB0C96B.3060102@verizon.net>

  Hello Bill,   Thanks for the details.

One plan is to use 4 each, 50' lengths of #2AWG welding cable in a 200' 
rectangular loop.
Maybe not square, but maybe 70' wide X 30' high, like yours about 10' 
above ground
so I do not hang myself looking for nigh crawlers (fishing bait).
I am thinking more of permanent structural supports like ROHN 25 towers 
to support everything.
The welding cables have  some weight, so I may support them on a 
horizontal non metallic catenary.
Original plan was for 2 each tower, suspending the single loop between 
then at an opportune LOB.
Definite merit to 3 towers and 2 orthogonal loops.

I cut most of the trees down on that side of the yard and they were 
rather short < 50'.
They would really whip around in the wind. Towers would be reasonably rigid.

The ground screen I originally envisioned was 6' wide galvi chain link 
fence material,
either laid on top of or buried under the loop. Maybe on the grass may 
be better
because the acidic soil with acid rain will eat up the galvi/steel in a 
couple of years.
At least on the grass I can easily inspect it.

I inspected the fencing materials I can salvage and they are buried in 
over growth.
Will be quite a job removing them. The dog kennel panels may be easily 
salvaged,
but the dogs will get that material. And should be able to mow over it.

The welding cable insulation is orange in color and probably goodly 
rugged for the intended service.
May have to paint it to tone it down.

Originally was planning to do all RF testing outside at the antenna feed 
but
I am thinking now of just bringing the feeds to the house, any 
combining/switching inside.
The shorter ISO shipping containers 8'W x 20' long x 8' high have merit and
are by far cheaper that any shed for the floor space. And a shielded 
room....
Easy to deliver, but would take some work making pretty for the neighbors.
Larger military shelters are a possibility, then I could argue to the 
taxman they are
not a permanent ground based shelter, but rather a vehicle accessory.

Stan, W1LE     Cape Cod


ZZZZz

From esmithmail at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 17:52:27 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] UWL and station update
Message-ID: <AANLkTimftLNQgcf+Fb32054F=vE0Mw1-5aNoGbj3poDX@mail.gmail.com>

Received this capture of UWL a few days ago.  Distance is roughly 110 miles.

http://www.nutstreet.net/captures/uwl/uwl.jpg

The beacon is on 185302.0 with QRSS30.  It is solar powered and the battery
is charged by the PV cells during the day, so it runs day and night.
Antenna is 8m vertical #14 stranded with 2m diameter tophat made five #4
solid radials with #14 copperweld hub and halo.  Picture:
http://www.nutstreet.net/images/lowfer/photo.jpg

DDS is homemade using the AD9851 which I'm controlling with an engineering
sample of the ATmega1284p AVR MCU.  I'm using GCC for AVR and the AVR Libc C
library (http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/).  I'm very pleased with the
frequency accuracy and repeatability of this exciter which is really a
testament to the 12.8 MHz TCXO..it's one of the ones that Stuart gave to
good homes years ago.  I built this exciter because my trusty ZL1BPU dds
won't reach 600m.

Final is Lyle's K0LR complementary pair circuit.

I intend to use the same antenna and exciter at 2200m with the Hafler amp
but need to wind a new coil.  To get on 600m I also need to build an amp.
I'm planning to build one of the 500 watt W1VD modules, but haven't even
started that yet.

Eric KD5UWL / WD2XFX
EM15

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct  9 20:43:05 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:43:05 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000e01cb6814$19e5db40$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

2010-10-10 00:35:12 >WOLF10  -r 8000.401 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.229 a: 1.0 dp: 74.6 ci: 3 cj:309 KF/DEEQU5.F6PKW ?
t:  48 f:-0.671 a: 0.8 dp: 74.6 ci: 0 cj:329 NRHK5/66FR3EMER ?
t:  96 f: 0.001 a: 0.7 dp: 72.1 ci:11 cj: 73 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:15.01 jm:814 q:  0.5 -0.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:18.50 jm:814 q:  1.0 -0.5 WD2XES RARE DX  -

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sat Oct  9 21:22:15 2010
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 01:22:15 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES
In-Reply-To: <000e01cb6814$19e5db40$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
	<000e01cb6814$19e5db40$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <4CB11547.5080300@w1tag.com>

JR,

Not so rare for you, of course...

JA

On 10/10/2010 00:43 AM, jrusgrove at comcast.net wrote:
> 2010-10-10 00:35:12>WOLF10  -r 8000.401 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
> t:  24 f: 0.229 a: 1.0 dp: 74.6 ci: 3 cj:309 KF/DEEQU5.F6PKW ?
> t:  48 f:-0.671 a: 0.8 dp: 74.6 ci: 0 cj:329 NRHK5/66FR3EMER ?
> t:  96 f: 0.001 a: 0.7 dp: 72.1 ci:11 cj: 73 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:15.01 jm:814 q:  0.5 -0.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:18.50 jm:814 q:  1.0 -0.5 WD2XES RARE DX  -
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
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From ve2iq at magma.ca  Sat Oct  9 21:29:43 2010
From: ve2iq at magma.ca (Bill de Carle)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:29:43 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES
In-Reply-To: <4CB11547.5080300@w1tag.com>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>
	<000e01cb6814$19e5db40$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<4CB11547.5080300@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20101009212826.018adf70@magma.ca>

At 09:22 PM 10/9/2010, you wrote:
>JR,
>
>Not so rare for you, of course...
>
>JA
>
>On 10/10/2010 00:43 AM, jrusgrove at comcast.net wrote:
> > 2010-10-10 00:35:12>WOLF10  -r 8000.401 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
> > t:  24 f: 0.229 a: 1.0 dp: 74.6 ci: 3 cj:309 KF/DEEQU5.F6PKW ?
> > t:  48 f:-0.671 a: 0.8 dp: 74.6 ci: 0 cj:329 NRHK5/66FR3EMER ?
> > t:  96 f: 0.001 a: 0.7 dp: 72.1 ci:11 cj: 73 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> > t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:15.01 jm:814 q:  0.5 -0.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> > t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:18.50 jm:814 q:  1.0 -0.5 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> >
> > Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

I have that message here too - figured you must have increased the 
power because it's decoding in full static.

Bill


From w1tag at charter.net  Sat Oct  9 22:26:48 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 02:26:48 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES
Message-ID: <1723864893-1286676856-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1954142339-@bda635.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Bill,

No change in power...only the message.

JA
------Original Message------
From: Bill de Carle
Sender: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net
To: Discussion of the Lowfer \(US, European, &amp;UK\) and MedFer bands
ReplyTo: Discussion of the Lowfer \(US, European, &amp;UK\) and MedFer bands
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WD2XES
Sent: Oct 9, 2010 9:29 PM

At 09:22 PM 10/9/2010, you wrote:
>JR,
>
>Not so rare for you, of course...
>
>JA
>
>On 10/10/2010 00:43 AM, jrusgrove at comcast.net wrote:
> > 2010-10-10 00:35:12>WOLF10  -r 8000.401 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
> > t:  24 f: 0.229 a: 1.0 dp: 74.6 ci: 3 cj:309 KF/DEEQU5.F6PKW ?
> > t:  48 f:-0.671 a: 0.8 dp: 74.6 ci: 0 cj:329 NRHK5/66FR3EMER ?
> > t:  96 f: 0.001 a: 0.7 dp: 72.1 ci:11 cj: 73 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> > t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:15.01 jm:814 q:  0.5 -0.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> > t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:18.50 jm:814 q:  1.0 -0.5 WD2XES RARE DX  -
> >
> > Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

I have that message here too - figured you must have increased the 
power because it's decoding in full static.

Bill

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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  9 23:21:00 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 23:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
In-Reply-To: <4CB0C96B.3060102@verizon.net>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>,
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>
	<4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>, <4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>,
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009131553.018ad128@magma.ca>,
	<4CB0C96B.3060102@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W34B1B8520EB802D465C1DDC9520@phx.gbl>


Hey Stan,

Which "Bill" are you addressing this to? I don't see the original post. I have some comments on your loop ideas (below) if you are interested.

Bill A

> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:58:35 -0400
> From: stanw1le at verizon.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
> 
>   Hello Bill,   Thanks for the details.
> 
> One plan is to use 4 each, 50' lengths of #2AWG welding cable in a 200' 
> rectangular loop.
> Maybe not square, but maybe 70' wide X 30' high, like yours about 10' 
> above ground
> so I do not hang myself looking for nigh crawlers (fishing bait).
> I am thinking more of permanent structural supports like ROHN 25 towers 
> to support everything.
> The welding cables have  some weight, so I may support them on a 
> horizontal non metallic catenary.
> Original plan was for 2 each tower, suspending the single loop between 
> then at an opportune LOB.
> Definite merit to 3 towers and 2 orthogonal loops.
> 
> I cut most of the trees down on that side of the yard and they were 
> rather short < 50'.
> They would really whip around in the wind. Towers would be reasonably rigid.
> 
> The ground screen I originally envisioned was 6' wide galvi chain link 
> fence material,
> either laid on top of or buried under the loop. Maybe on the grass may 
> be better
> because the acidic soil with acid rain will eat up the galvi/steel in a 
> couple of years.
> At least on the grass I can easily inspect it.
> 
> I inspected the fencing materials I can salvage and they are buried in 
> over growth.
> Will be quite a job removing them. The dog kennel panels may be easily 
> salvaged,
> but the dogs will get that material. And should be able to mow over it.
> 
> The welding cable insulation is orange in color and probably goodly 
> rugged for the intended service.
> May have to paint it to tone it down.
> 
> Originally was planning to do all RF testing outside at the antenna feed 
> but
> I am thinking now of just bringing the feeds to the house, any 
> combining/switching inside.
> The shorter ISO shipping containers 8'W x 20' long x 8' high have merit and
> are by far cheaper that any shed for the floor space. And a shielded 
> room....
> Easy to deliver, but would take some work making pretty for the neighbors.
> Larger military shelters are a possibility, then I could argue to the 
> taxman they are
> not a permanent ground based shelter, but rather a vehicle accessory.
> 
> Stan, W1LE     Cape Cod
> 
> 
> ZZZZz
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 10 07:47:23 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 07:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net><000e01cb6814$19e5db40$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<4CB11547.5080300@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000a01cb6870$e77c4ce0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Even better during daylight.

2010-10-10 11:09:17 >WOLF10  -r 8000.401 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.002 a: 0.4 dp: 66.9 ci:14 cj:219 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t:  48 f: 0.002 a: 0.3 dp: 68.1 ci:14 cj:219 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t:  96 f: 0.002 a: 0.3 dp: 68.7 ci:14 cj:219 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:29.97 jm:523 q:  9.1  9.0 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:51.45 jm:523 q: 10.9 11.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:63.55 jm:523 q: 11.5 12.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:74.52 jm:523 q: 11.9 12.0 WD2XES RARE DX  -
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:92.42 jm:523 q: 13.3 13.3 WD2XES RARE DX  -


Jay
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag at w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp;UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WD2XES


> JR,
> 
> Not so rare for you, of course...
> 
> JA
> 
> On 10/10/2010 00:43 AM, jrusgrove at comcast.net wrote:
>> 2010-10-10 00:35:12>WOLF10  -r 8000.401 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
>> t:  24 f: 0.229 a: 1.0 dp: 74.6 ci: 3 cj:309 KF/DEEQU5.F6PKW ?
>> t:  48 f:-0.671 a: 0.8 dp: 74.6 ci: 0 cj:329 NRHK5/66FR3EMER ?
>> t:  96 f: 0.001 a: 0.7 dp: 72.1 ci:11 cj: 73 WD2XES RARE DX  -
>> t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:15.01 jm:814 q:  0.5 -0.2 WD2XES RARE DX  -
>> t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:18.50 jm:814 q:  1.0 -0.5 WD2XES RARE DX  -
>>
>> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From stanw1le at verizon.net  Sun Oct 10 09:07:10 2010
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:07:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W34B1B8520EB802D465C1DDC9520@phx.gbl>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>,
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>	<4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>,
	<4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>,
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009131553.018ad128@magma.ca>, 
	<4CB0C96B.3060102@verizon.net>
	<SNT127-W34B1B8520EB802D465C1DDC9520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CB1BA7E.8020404@verizon.net>

  Hello Bill,

Sorry for the confusion. I still am impressed with your R50 at the cabin.

Are they round logs or squared logs in the walls ?

Your comments are welcome.

Standing by on Cape Cod      Stan, W1LE





On 10/9/2010 11:21 PM, Bill Ashlock wrote:
> Hey Stan,
>
> Which "Bill" are you addressing this to? I don't see the original post. I have some comments on your loop ideas (below) if you are interested.
>
> Bill A
>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:58:35 -0400
>> From: stanw1le at verizon.net
>> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
>>
>>    Hello Bill,   Thanks for the details.
>>
>> One plan is to use 4 each, 50' lengths of #2AWG welding cable in a 200'
>> rectangular loop.
>> Maybe not square, but maybe 70' wide X 30' high, like yours about 10'
>> above ground
>> so I do not hang myself looking for nigh crawlers (fishing bait).
>> I am thinking more of permanent structural supports like ROHN 25 towers
>> to support everything.
>> The welding cables have  some weight, so I may support them on a
>> horizontal non metallic catenary.
>> Original plan was for 2 each tower, suspending the single loop between
>> then at an opportune LOB.
>> Definite merit to 3 towers and 2 orthogonal loops.
>>
>> I cut most of the trees down on that side of the yard and they were
>> rather short<  50'.
>> They would really whip around in the wind. Towers would be reasonably rigid.
>>
>> The ground screen I originally envisioned was 6' wide galvi chain link
>> fence material,
>> either laid on top of or buried under the loop. Maybe on the grass may
>> be better
>> because the acidic soil with acid rain will eat up the galvi/steel in a
>> couple of years.
>> At least on the grass I can easily inspect it.
>>
>> I inspected the fencing materials I can salvage and they are buried in
>> over growth.
>> Will be quite a job removing them. The dog kennel panels may be easily
>> salvaged,
>> but the dogs will get that material. And should be able to mow over it.
>>
>> The welding cable insulation is orange in color and probably goodly
>> rugged for the intended service.
>> May have to paint it to tone it down.
>>
>> Originally was planning to do all RF testing outside at the antenna feed
>> but
>> I am thinking now of just bringing the feeds to the house, any
>> combining/switching inside.
>> The shorter ISO shipping containers 8'W x 20' long x 8' high have merit and
>> are by far cheaper that any shed for the floor space. And a shielded
>> room....
>> Easy to deliver, but would take some work making pretty for the neighbors.
>> Larger military shelters are a possibility, then I could argue to the
>> taxman they are
>> not a permanent ground based shelter, but rather a vehicle accessory.
>>
>> Stan, W1LE     Cape Cod
>>
>>
>> ZZZZz
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sun Oct 10 11:37:39 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:37:39 EDT
Subject: [Lowfer] Beacon Distances
Message-ID: <39c0d.423a819b.39e337c3@aol.com>

Hi All,
I was wondering if when giving reception reports could the reporters
include the distance of their reception?
 
For example when Jay is hearing John's WD2XES beacon in daylight,
their cities appear to be only 69 miles apart, unless one or the
other is at a remote location?
 
It would give those of us farther away some idea of the
possible distance being covered and likelihood of hearing
the same signal.
 
Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 10 11:46:33 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:46:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Fw: Overnight at the Watering Hole, 10/10/10
Message-ID: <362183.13879.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

An attachment stopped the first message from coming thru:


--- On Sun, 10/10/10, Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Overnight at the Watering Hole, 10/10/10
> To: "Garry and Linda Hess" <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>, lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 9:00 AM
> Good morning all:
> 
> I parked at the Watering Hole last night to see what
> critters might show up. Only the lonely " SIW " peaked thru the 
> nocturnal haze a few times here. The elusive " UWL " once again 
> managed to evade my night vision surveillance. Further operations 
> are planned...? 73 all: 
> 
> 
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> 
> *** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***
> 
> Coordinates:? N:? 35? 43' 54" - W:? 84? 3'
> 16"
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> 
> *** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***
> 
> http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 10 12:15:08 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:15:08 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Beacon Distances
Message-ID: <4CB1E68C.9000005@sbcglobal.net>

I second Todd's suggestion, and would also add include the time/time 
span, frequency, and mode. The latter two items are probably known to 
reflector regulars, but they're easy to include and you never know when 
someone new might be looking at the posts.

Conditions weren't very good over night in NE IL. On 2200m did copy XGJ 
at 137.7798 kHz, QRSS60 until signoff around 0830Z. MP was in there 
slightly higher (137.780 kHz), also on QRSS60. Noticed some traces below 
137.776 kHz around 0915Z but it's uncertain if they were from a real or 
spurious signal.

Did see a steady spurious line on Lawrence's Bartlesville grabber 
(http://kl7uk.com/Bville.html). Couldn't get his Alaskan grabber to 
display. Changing the old URL of http://kl1x.com/alaska.html to the new 
one of http://kl7uk.com/alaska.html produces a "not found" result with 
Firefox 3.6.10. My fault - computers are awful picky, I was supposed to 
use .../Alaska.html! Couldn't tell if there was anything around 137.776 
kHz via the VE7TIL grabber either (http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/). 
The expanded ARGO display has been replaced by a display like the F1AFJ 
grabber uses (Spectrum Laboratory), but the frequency scale is not legible.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta

From sthed475 at telus.net  Sun Oct 10 13:05:37 2010
From: sthed475 at telus.net (Scott Tilley)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:05:37 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] Beacon Distances
In-Reply-To: <4CB1E68C.9000005@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CB1E68C.9000005@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4CB1F261.60608@telus.net>

  Hi Gary

The small ticks are 1/10Hz.  If you get lost you always have your 
fingers and toes to get you back on track.

73 Scott


On 10/10/2010 4:15 PM, Garry Hess wrote:
> I second Todd's suggestion, and would also add include the time/time
> span, frequency, and mode. The latter two items are probably known to
> reflector regulars, but they're easy to include and you never know when
> someone new might be looking at the posts.
>
> Conditions weren't very good over night in NE IL. On 2200m did copy XGJ
> at 137.7798 kHz, QRSS60 until signoff around 0830Z. MP was in there
> slightly higher (137.780 kHz), also on QRSS60. Noticed some traces below
> 137.776 kHz around 0915Z but it's uncertain if they were from a real or
> spurious signal.
>
> Did see a steady spurious line on Lawrence's Bartlesville grabber
> (http://kl7uk.com/Bville.html). Couldn't get his Alaskan grabber to
> display. Changing the old URL of http://kl1x.com/alaska.html to the new
> one of http://kl7uk.com/alaska.html produces a "not found" result with
> Firefox 3.6.10. My fault - computers are awful picky, I was supposed to
> use .../Alaska.html! Couldn't tell if there was anything around 137.776
> kHz via the VE7TIL grabber either (http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/).
> The expanded ARGO display has been replaced by a display like the F1AFJ
> grabber uses (Spectrum Laboratory), but the frequency scale is not legible.
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Oct 10 14:55:00 2010
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:55:00 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES 10 mw WOLF
Message-ID: <4CB20C04.8000700@w1tag.com>

Per Bill's suggestion, I dropped the sound card output level by 7 dB, 
which should give 10 milliwatts from the exciter, as everything is quite 
linear.

Reports are welcome!

John, W1TAG

From ve2iq at magma.ca  Mon Oct 11 09:35:18 2010
From: ve2iq at magma.ca (Bill de Carle)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:35:18 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES 10 mw WOLF
In-Reply-To: <4CB20C04.8000700@w1tag.com>
References: <4CB20C04.8000700@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20101011085646.00ec1390@magma.ca>

At 02:55 PM 10/10/2010 John, W1TAG wrote:
>Per Bill's suggestion, I dropped the sound card output level by 7 dB,
>which should give 10 milliwatts from the exciter, as everything is quite
>linear.
>
>Reports are welcome!

Thanks for the test signal John.
There were no successful decodes at this power level.

As expected, WOLF made its best attempt right around sunup after the 
static subsided.  It found your signal but was unable to gather up 
enough energy to bring out the message.  One has to feel that with 
some tweaking of the settings it might have worked.  I'm not sure I 
have the optimum integration period.  If we assume 1 part per billion 
frequency offset between Rx, Tx, at 137.45 Khz it would take one hour 
to produce a 180-degree phase shift.  With BPSK MS100 it only takes 
+/- 90 degrees to reach the point where adding in older data results 
in more harm than benefit: half an hour or about 19 WOLF frames.  On 
the other hand it would appear the QSB bright-ups early in the 
evening are quite short (less than half an hour), so a shorter 
integration time would be beneficial as it would be less likely to 
contaminate the coherent integration with extraneous noise.  The 
fixed integrate-and-dump blocks in WOLF's current implementation are 
troublesome because the odds of having a full integration period 
coincide optimally with when the SNR peaks are not 
favorable.  Indeed, I got up in the middle of the night to restart 
WOLF in the middle of a block, trying to shift the end of the last 
3168-second block so it would more favorably overlap the expected SNR 
enhancement around dawn.  I didn't guess all that well on the timing, 
hi!  IMO, the best strategy for making sure you get optimum overlap 
is to use a moving or sliding average instead of a fixed 
integrate-and-dump average.  That's what we did with COHERENT/AFRICA 
and it worked well.

In Stewart's early notes on WOLF he envisioned using the reference 
channel for something more than just establishing 
synchronization.  One thing we might want to try is selectively 
including past frames: keep the ones which improve SNR for the 
frequency we're trying to receive and throw away the others.  Another 
thing is to track the duration of QSB bright-ups for the signal of 
interest and dynamically adjust a sliding average interval for 
optimum enhancement.

Great test, thanks again.  Now I'm kicking myself for not recording 
the overnight run so I'd have something to play with today, hi!

73,
Bill VE2IQ

P.S.  In the last block below (covering the dawn enhancement), 
interesting how WOLF prefers a different jm-index value at each end 
of the brightup period.  Any thoughts on why that happens?

2010-10-11 03:52:30 >WOLF10  -r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.095 a:-1.0 dp: 90.5 ci:11 cj:334 *I47VJBU7/MRKK8 ?
t:  48 f: 0.080 a: 1.0 dp: 88.3 ci: 8 cj:327 B2 49ISV3W78EBU ?
t:  96 f:-0.015 a: 1.4 dp: 86.8 ci:11 cj:373 5/TRD9UL63E21ER ?
t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:40.06 jm: 34 q:-13.1 -7.4 JKGD.Z YLD044F9 ?
t: 288 f:-0.107 pm:42.87 jm:266 q:-11.7 -8.1 5J5MOUNQE6P.R7L ?
t: 384 f: 0.039 pm:45.10 jm:153 q:-10.5 -7.4 QSY*8 B9EMCZLQM ?
t: 480 f:-0.098 pm:50.10 jm:589 q:-10.1 -8.1 Z7A???X5P???EFZ ?
t: 576 f:-0.020 pm:60.45 jm: 91 q: -9.4 -7.4 14A642D/SC09P53 ?
t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:66.46 jm:836 q: -8.2 -8.8 E2RLUB1I2IZ4X1I ?
t: 768 f:-0.020 pm:68.46 jm: 91 q: -8.1 -9.6 XKRZCWOW*Y6I47K ?
t: 864 f: 0.039 pm:70.85 jm:153 q: -7.7 -8.3 750IS91DNEH8OKO ?
t: 960 f:-0.078 pm:76.20 jm:551 q: -6.8 -9.1 8WZ*LVJBLIO.WA6 ?
t:1056 f: 0.088 pm:81.10 jm:346 q: -6.9 -7.9 ..0G*39GTEM1Q32 ?
t:1152 f:-0.010 pm:85.72 jm:532 q: -5.7 -6.0 Z4DLNTO4/5C4TA9 -
t:1248 f:-0.068 pm:97.69 jm:364 q: -7.0 -8.5 H2GE/ZF36M3A5D6 ?
t:1344 f:-0.068 pm:99.75 jm:364 q: -6.7 -9.2 TBWSIW9ET/TNYGG ?
t:1440 f:-0.068 pm:107.5 jm:364 q: -6.1 -7.9 VTQ24MD28I4HO91 ?
t:1536 f:-0.068 pm:109.9 jm:364 q: -6.0 -7.9 V.WM2G08*9E9G0W ?
t:1632 f:-0.068 pm:110.2 jm:364 q: -5.7 -7.5 V.WM2G08*9E9G0O ?
t:1728 f:-0.068 pm:116.1 jm:364 q: -5.5 -6.3 MTB83 9PEG8RPOA ?
t:1824 f:-0.068 pm:121.7 jm:364 q: -5.3 -7.7 MTB83 9QHDDPYI6 ?
t:1920 f:-0.068 pm:122.4 jm:364 q: -4.8 -7.2 MTB83 9QHDDPYI6 ?
t:2016 f:-0.068 pm:123.2 jm:364 q: -4.5-10.0 Z*5WIOYN69FUZ6H ?
t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:143.1 jm:693 q: -3.5 -6.8 *OBNZR*1/P3WV6Q ? <--
t:2208 f: 0.000 pm:143.1 jm:693 q: -3.4 -8.9 FWA16D 5UHXIK7A ? <--
t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:144.5 jm:693 q: -3.3 -7.8 8S0.E45PC*DOO0Y ? <--
t:2400 f: 0.000 pm:145.3 jm:693 q: -2.9 -8.4  I874TF./J1T9HX ? <--
t:2496 f: 0.020 pm:147.1 jm:786 q: -3.0 -7.6 DZOX AEZHRAYFEX ?
t:2592 f: 0.020 pm:153.2 jm:786 q: -2.7 -6.0 QHU8R0UTEN0LN3* -
t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:162.6 jm:693 q: -2.3 -7.4 TWZ8EZ*1/P3WV6Q ? <--
t:2784 f: 0.000 pm:162.9 jm:693 q: -2.2 -8.0 M.15 L4V09DRAGX ? <--
t:2880 f: 0.049 pm:168.2 jm:201 q: -2.1 -8.2 0LY.J6S/4XGWQS9 ?
t:2976 f: 0.049 pm:171.2 jm:201 q: -2.1 -7.3 DIF24DD 9L2*E0R ?
t:3072 f: 0.049 pm:171.9 jm:201 q: -2.0 -8.6 GEE??? W1JAG ZC ?
t:3168 f: 0.049 pm:173.6 jm:201 q: -1.8 -7.2 DIF24DD 9L2*E0R ?
[..]
2010-10-11 04:45:31 >WOLF10  -r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.022 a: 0.9 dp: 90.0 ci:10 cj:478 I2S6QYHNFTZEZ2B ?
t:  48 f: 0.024 a: 0.7 dp: 88.8 ci:14 cj:146 9*2386W/LBZBE13 -
t:  96 f:-0.053 a:-0.3 dp: 83.5 ci: 7 cj:  3 M.9URA50O85T 7* ?
t: 192 f:-0.088 pm:26.33 jm:370 q:-14.6 -9.0 T O8VO39CPEL4/G ?
t: 288 f:-0.039 pm:39.71 jm:393 q:-12.4 -7.1 E5WY.C.4YYYJR3* ?
t: 384 f: 0.010 pm:48.87 jm:573 q:-11.2 -7.5  L9W1/0YENR1*TH ?
t: 480 f: 0.010 pm:49.03 jm:573 q:-11.0 -7.4 MCMN76HI1KJST*0 ?
t: 576 f: 0.010 pm:56.72 jm:573 q:-10.2 -6.1 JY9B49 0HOXKP/O -
t: 672 f:-0.020 pm:58.58 jm:872 q: -9.6 -8.5 9KHC4Z 5J.PIR7C ?
t: 768 f:-0.020 pm:63.29 jm:872 q: -9.2 -8.1 YU5 K YGPMANC9X ?
t: 864 f: 0.088 pm:81.62 jm:893 q: -7.8 -8.1 7RC4PIQ1QUZ8LOL ?
t: 960 f: 0.088 pm:82.01 jm:893 q: -6.9 -9.2 X9ZD8ASNTSOC*1R ?
t:1056 f: 0.088 pm:90.42 jm:893 q: -6.7 -8.4 7RCZ99HT0976H X ?
t:1152 f: 0.020 pm:92.63 jm:147 q: -7.1 -7.8 VGWPYQDXZ*GB2GO ?
t:1248 f: 0.020 pm:104.5 jm:812 q: -6.6 -8.4 OSWBIXQ6LQSBTQ1 ?
t:1344 f: 0.020 pm:109.7 jm:812 q: -6.5 -8.2 0UCDOHOIIBKSX84 ?
t:1440 f: 0.059 pm:120.2 jm:830 q: -5.8 -6.6 DU2OJ981OD680RK ?
t:1536 f: 0.059 pm:120.3 jm:830 q: -5.8 -6.9 DU2OJ981U*GFHA  ?
t:1632 f: 0.059 pm:125.6 jm:830 q: -5.6 -7.5 U2W/CD9QDF1*HSX ?
t:1728 f: 0.059 pm:128.1 jm:830 q: -5.2 -7.1 NPEOJ983CD1T9YC ?
t:1824 f: 0.059 pm:132.0 jm:830 q: -4.8 -8.1 YOC5R.6MZSJ5R 6 ?
t:1920 f: 0.059 pm:132.5 jm:830 q: -4.9 -9.2 3LZ3KAIQOI*MO6I ?
t:2016 f: 0.059 pm:135.3 jm:830 q: -4.6 -8.8 3LZ3KAIQOI*MO6I ?
t:2112 f: 0.020 pm:135.9 jm:812 q: -4.0 -8.4 VXV6DQUSPBVX.T4 ?
t:2208 f: 0.020 pm:136.2 jm:812 q: -3.7 -8.3 VXV6DQUSPBVX.T4 ?
t:2304 f: 0.059 pm:144.0 jm:830 q: -4.0 -7.7 AZNDJLU1ZTC*RIC ?
t:2400 f: 0.059 pm:145.4 jm:830 q: -3.8 -6.0 C4AIJAJX/TC*RIC -
t:2496 f: 0.059 pm:147.1 jm:830 q: -3.7 -5.9 C4AIJA1UFL4GRIC -
t:2592 f: 0.059 pm:148.9 jm:830 q: -3.4 -5.9 C4AIJA1UFL4GRIC -
t:2688 f: 0.059 pm:159.2 jm:830 q: -3.2 -6.1 C4AIJA1UFL4GRIC -
t:2784 f:-0.068 pm:165.2 jm:821 q: -3.2 -9.8 LQ2VMLIYV36 E3D ?
t:2880 f:-0.068 pm:169.9 jm:821 q: -3.0 -8.4 WGLT3NM5OLTSL * ?
t:2976 f: 0.059 pm:173.5 jm:830 q: -2.8 -7.7 1425*NA9/TC*RIC ?
t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:183.6 jm:307 q: -2.8 -7.9 WSKIKHZGRW4RSCJ ? <--
t:3168 f: 0.000 pm:187.7 jm:307 q: -2.6 -5.9 *..T7/89CCD*W7D - <--
[..]
2010-10-11 10:52:10 >WOLF10  -r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.006 a:-0.5 dp:108.5 ci:12 cj: 72 TTI80PHCKHXV??? ?
t:  48 f: 0.002 a:-0.2 dp:106.4 ci: 7 cj: 49 X74B*O3.BSW3*Q5 ?
t:  96 f: 0.093 a:-0.6 dp:103.8 ci:10 cj: 32 /7E15*MVQ7ZU8V  ?
t: 192 f: 0.088 pm:301.5 jm:896 q:-14.5 -7.4 1YCI7ABIN*RP/AX ?
t: 288 f: 0.029 pm:375.4 jm:737 q:-13.1 -6.1 FL2IRO/INTZK.44 ?
t: 384 f: 0.029 pm:428.3 jm:737 q:-12.1 -7.5 1XI3734OXX87O O ?
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:516.3 jm:507 q: -9.6 -9.3 5/70OYZ.B.CO8AG ? <--
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:626.8 jm:405 q: -9.6 -8.9 ID9XVIFDI O7LLI ? <--
t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:653.9 jm:405 q: -9.6 -8.1 ID9XVIFDI O7S4N ? <--
t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:684.7 jm:405 q: -8.5 -9.4 QVLLGKA/SIP0OO  ? <--
t: 864 f: 0.000 pm:698.7 jm:405 q: -8.1 -8.9 ESF4I5S1MORFPY3 ? <--
t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:714.1 jm:405 q: -7.8 -8.5 V16TFFWO98UZBEW ? <--
t:1056 f: 0.088 pm:775.5 jm:954 q: -7.1 -8.6 EDR.0R  555UZ3F ?
t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:791.1 jm:405 q: -6.9 -7.7 V5BEZ*O*QO5652J ? <--
t:1248 f: 0.000 pm:875.7 jm:405 q: -6.4 -8.0 K5*.F02KANJT8/T ? <--
t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:890.7 jm:405 q: -6.4 -6.8 BZ7EZ*O*QO5652K ? <--
t:1440 f: 0.000 pm:893.1 jm:405 q: -6.0 -7.0 YR7L682KANJT8/T ? <--
t:1536 f: 0.088 pm:905.2 jm:954 q: -5.5 -7.0 MD/.N1PZZBE0G4Q ?
t:1632 f: 0.088 pm:941.7 jm:954 q: -5.1 -5.8 0BHDFLFBZWBJO9G -
t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:963.7 jm:405 q: -5.4 -7.7 57BL682I*7USL*R ? <--
t:1824 f: 0.000 pm:972.2 jm:405 q: -5.1 -7.6 57BL682I*7USL*R ? <--
t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:997.4 jm:507 q: -4.4 -8.9 5ONMKA5MZWXGI1Q ? <--
t:2016 f: 0.088 pm: 1026 jm:954 q: -4.3 -7.5 F42*NV2G*R*W4NM ?
t:2112 f: 0.088 pm: 1042 jm:954 q: -4.1 -8.5 ???G1WUPYVLDHCH ?
t:2208 f: 0.088 pm: 1060 jm:954 q: -4.0 -8.0 LIPQ/GUPYVLDJG1 ?
t:2304 f: 0.088 pm: 1069 jm:954 q: -3.7 -8.4 ???G1WUPYVLDJG1 ?
t:2400 f: 0.088 pm: 1086 jm:954 q: -3.6 -7.7 IE6YYOUPYVLDJG1 ?
t:2496 f: 0.088 pm: 1089 jm:954 q: -3.5 -8.5 T0J74YQ RK.R/V4 ?
t:2592 f: 0.088 pm: 1089 jm:954 q: -3.3 -7.7 LAIC76R4ZK.R/V4 ?
t:2688 f: 0.107 pm: 1178 jm:533 q: -3.3 -7.6 P193GJC0EPLNN7  ?
t:2784 f: 0.107 pm: 1192 jm:533 q: -3.2 -7.1 J3S3L3LLSE4EMDP ?
t:2880 f: 0.107 pm: 1203 jm:533 q: -3.1 -6.0 ZR*3F2R.4V8J0OX ?
t:2976 f: 0.088 pm: 1207 jm:954 q: -2.6 -8.3 YZZFN8UPYVLDHEQ ?
t:3072 f: 0.107 pm: 1222 jm:533 q: -2.8 -8.0 ???FXL1PCXO/ 15 ?
t:3168 f:-0.020 pm: 1241 jm:797 q: -1.7 -8.0  NTH19 U*XDHCQS ?


From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 09:43:31 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:43:31 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES 10 mw WOLF
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20101011085646.00ec1390@magma.ca>
References: <4CB20C04.8000700@w1tag.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101011085646.00ec1390@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQJAAeoCAfekfpuUopazuSzYZOLYt3qJpa_Fic@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I had no success hr either
Lloyd

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Bill de Carle <ve2iq at magma.ca> wrote:
> At 02:55 PM 10/10/2010 John, W1TAG wrote:
>>Per Bill's suggestion, I dropped the sound card output level by 7 dB,
>>which should give 10 milliwatts from the exciter, as everything is quite
>>linear.
>>
>>Reports are welcome!
>
> Thanks for the test signal John.
> There were no successful decodes at this power level.
>
> As expected, WOLF made its best attempt right around sunup after the
> static subsided. ?It found your signal but was unable to gather up
> enough energy to bring out the message. ?One has to feel that with
> some tweaking of the settings it might have worked. ?I'm not sure I
> have the optimum integration period. ?If we assume 1 part per billion
> frequency offset between Rx, Tx, at 137.45 Khz it would take one hour
> to produce a 180-degree phase shift. ?With BPSK MS100 it only takes
> +/- 90 degrees to reach the point where adding in older data results
> in more harm than benefit: half an hour or about 19 WOLF frames. ?On
> the other hand it would appear the QSB bright-ups early in the
> evening are quite short (less than half an hour), so a shorter
> integration time would be beneficial as it would be less likely to
> contaminate the coherent integration with extraneous noise. ?The
> fixed integrate-and-dump blocks in WOLF's current implementation are
> troublesome because the odds of having a full integration period
> coincide optimally with when the SNR peaks are not
> favorable. ?Indeed, I got up in the middle of the night to restart
> WOLF in the middle of a block, trying to shift the end of the last
> 3168-second block so it would more favorably overlap the expected SNR
> enhancement around dawn. ?I didn't guess all that well on the timing,
> hi! ?IMO, the best strategy for making sure you get optimum overlap
> is to use a moving or sliding average instead of a fixed
> integrate-and-dump average. ?That's what we did with COHERENT/AFRICA
> and it worked well.
>
> In Stewart's early notes on WOLF he envisioned using the reference
> channel for something more than just establishing
> synchronization. ?One thing we might want to try is selectively
> including past frames: keep the ones which improve SNR for the
> frequency we're trying to receive and throw away the others. ?Another
> thing is to track the duration of QSB bright-ups for the signal of
> interest and dynamically adjust a sliding average interval for
> optimum enhancement.
>
> Great test, thanks again. ?Now I'm kicking myself for not recording
> the overnight run so I'd have something to play with today, hi!
>
> 73,
> Bill VE2IQ
>
> P.S. ?In the last block below (covering the dawn enhancement),
> interesting how WOLF prefers a different jm-index value at each end
> of the brightup period. ?Any thoughts on why that happens?
>
> 2010-10-11 03:52:30 >WOLF10 ?-r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
> t: ?24 f:-0.095 a:-1.0 dp: 90.5 ci:11 cj:334 *I47VJBU7/MRKK8 ?
> t: ?48 f: 0.080 a: 1.0 dp: 88.3 ci: 8 cj:327 B2 49ISV3W78EBU ?
> t: ?96 f:-0.015 a: 1.4 dp: 86.8 ci:11 cj:373 5/TRD9UL63E21ER ?
> t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:40.06 jm: 34 q:-13.1 -7.4 JKGD.Z YLD044F9 ?
> t: 288 f:-0.107 pm:42.87 jm:266 q:-11.7 -8.1 5J5MOUNQE6P.R7L ?
> t: 384 f: 0.039 pm:45.10 jm:153 q:-10.5 -7.4 QSY*8 B9EMCZLQM ?
> t: 480 f:-0.098 pm:50.10 jm:589 q:-10.1 -8.1 Z7A???X5P???EFZ ?
> t: 576 f:-0.020 pm:60.45 jm: 91 q: -9.4 -7.4 14A642D/SC09P53 ?
> t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:66.46 jm:836 q: -8.2 -8.8 E2RLUB1I2IZ4X1I ?
> t: 768 f:-0.020 pm:68.46 jm: 91 q: -8.1 -9.6 XKRZCWOW*Y6I47K ?
> t: 864 f: 0.039 pm:70.85 jm:153 q: -7.7 -8.3 750IS91DNEH8OKO ?
> t: 960 f:-0.078 pm:76.20 jm:551 q: -6.8 -9.1 8WZ*LVJBLIO.WA6 ?
> t:1056 f: 0.088 pm:81.10 jm:346 q: -6.9 -7.9 ..0G*39GTEM1Q32 ?
> t:1152 f:-0.010 pm:85.72 jm:532 q: -5.7 -6.0 Z4DLNTO4/5C4TA9 -
> t:1248 f:-0.068 pm:97.69 jm:364 q: -7.0 -8.5 H2GE/ZF36M3A5D6 ?
> t:1344 f:-0.068 pm:99.75 jm:364 q: -6.7 -9.2 TBWSIW9ET/TNYGG ?
> t:1440 f:-0.068 pm:107.5 jm:364 q: -6.1 -7.9 VTQ24MD28I4HO91 ?
> t:1536 f:-0.068 pm:109.9 jm:364 q: -6.0 -7.9 V.WM2G08*9E9G0W ?
> t:1632 f:-0.068 pm:110.2 jm:364 q: -5.7 -7.5 V.WM2G08*9E9G0O ?
> t:1728 f:-0.068 pm:116.1 jm:364 q: -5.5 -6.3 MTB83 9PEG8RPOA ?
> t:1824 f:-0.068 pm:121.7 jm:364 q: -5.3 -7.7 MTB83 9QHDDPYI6 ?
> t:1920 f:-0.068 pm:122.4 jm:364 q: -4.8 -7.2 MTB83 9QHDDPYI6 ?
> t:2016 f:-0.068 pm:123.2 jm:364 q: -4.5-10.0 Z*5WIOYN69FUZ6H ?
> t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:143.1 jm:693 q: -3.5 -6.8 *OBNZR*1/P3WV6Q ? <--
> t:2208 f: 0.000 pm:143.1 jm:693 q: -3.4 -8.9 FWA16D 5UHXIK7A ? <--
> t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:144.5 jm:693 q: -3.3 -7.8 8S0.E45PC*DOO0Y ? <--
> t:2400 f: 0.000 pm:145.3 jm:693 q: -2.9 -8.4 ?I874TF./J1T9HX ? <--
> t:2496 f: 0.020 pm:147.1 jm:786 q: -3.0 -7.6 DZOX AEZHRAYFEX ?
> t:2592 f: 0.020 pm:153.2 jm:786 q: -2.7 -6.0 QHU8R0UTEN0LN3* -
> t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:162.6 jm:693 q: -2.3 -7.4 TWZ8EZ*1/P3WV6Q ? <--
> t:2784 f: 0.000 pm:162.9 jm:693 q: -2.2 -8.0 M.15 L4V09DRAGX ? <--
> t:2880 f: 0.049 pm:168.2 jm:201 q: -2.1 -8.2 0LY.J6S/4XGWQS9 ?
> t:2976 f: 0.049 pm:171.2 jm:201 q: -2.1 -7.3 DIF24DD 9L2*E0R ?
> t:3072 f: 0.049 pm:171.9 jm:201 q: -2.0 -8.6 GEE??? W1JAG ZC ?
> t:3168 f: 0.049 pm:173.6 jm:201 q: -1.8 -7.2 DIF24DD 9L2*E0R ?
> [..]
> 2010-10-11 04:45:31 >WOLF10 ?-r 8100.024 -f 799.983 -t 0.1 -w 0.0000
> t: ?24 f: 0.022 a: 0.9 dp: 90.0 ci:10 cj:478 I2S6QYHNFTZEZ2B ?
> t: ?48 f: 0.024 a: 0.7 dp: 88.8 ci:14 cj:146 9*2386W/LBZBE13 -
> t: ?96 f:-0.053 a:-0.3 dp: 83.5 ci: 7 cj: ?3 M.9URA50O85T 7* ?
> t: 192 f:-0.088 pm:26.33 jm:370 q:-14.6 -9.0 T O8VO39CPEL4/G ?
> t: 288 f:-0.039 pm:39.71 jm:393 q:-12.4 -7.1 E5WY.C.4YYYJR3* ?
> t: 384 f: 0.010 pm:48.87 jm:573 q:-11.2 -7.5 ?L9W1/0YENR1*TH ?
> t: 480 f: 0.010 pm:49.03 jm:573 q:-11.0 -7.4 MCMN76HI1KJST*0 ?
> t: 576 f: 0.010 pm:56.72 jm:573 q:-10.2 -6.1 JY9B49 0HOXKP/O -
> t: 672 f:-0.020 pm:58.58 jm:872 q: -9.6 -8.5 9KHC4Z 5J.PIR7C ?
> t: 768 f:-0.020 pm:63.29 jm:872 q: -9.2 -8.1 YU5 K YGPMANC9X ?
> t: 864 f: 0.088 pm:81.62 jm:893 q: -7.8 -8.1 7RC4PIQ1QUZ8LOL ?
> t: 960 f: 0.088 pm:82.01 jm:893 q: -6.9 -9.2 X9ZD8ASNTSOC*1R ?
> t:1056 f: 0.088 pm:90.42 jm:893 q: -6.7 -8.4 7RCZ99HT0976H X ?
> t:1152 f: 0.020 pm:92.63 jm:147 q: -7.1 -7.8 VGWPYQDXZ*GB2GO ?
> t:1248 f: 0.020 pm:104.5 jm:812 q: -6.6 -8.4 OSWBIXQ6LQSBTQ1 ?
> t:1344 f: 0.020 pm:109.7 jm:812 q: -6.5 -8.2 0UCDOHOIIBKSX84 ?
> t:1440 f: 0.059 pm:120.2 jm:830 q: -5.8 -6.6 DU2OJ981OD680RK ?
> t:1536 f: 0.059 pm:120.3 jm:830 q: -5.8 -6.9 DU2OJ981U*GFHA ??
> t:1632 f: 0.059 pm:125.6 jm:830 q: -5.6 -7.5 U2W/CD9QDF1*HSX ?
> t:1728 f: 0.059 pm:128.1 jm:830 q: -5.2 -7.1 NPEOJ983CD1T9YC ?
> t:1824 f: 0.059 pm:132.0 jm:830 q: -4.8 -8.1 YOC5R.6MZSJ5R 6 ?
> t:1920 f: 0.059 pm:132.5 jm:830 q: -4.9 -9.2 3LZ3KAIQOI*MO6I ?
> t:2016 f: 0.059 pm:135.3 jm:830 q: -4.6 -8.8 3LZ3KAIQOI*MO6I ?
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> t:2976 f: 0.059 pm:173.5 jm:830 q: -2.8 -7.7 1425*NA9/TC*RIC ?
> t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:183.6 jm:307 q: -2.8 -7.9 WSKIKHZGRW4RSCJ ? <--
> t:3168 f: 0.000 pm:187.7 jm:307 q: -2.6 -5.9 *..T7/89CCD*W7D - <--
> [..]
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> t: ?96 f: 0.093 a:-0.6 dp:103.8 ci:10 cj: 32 /7E15*MVQ7ZU8V ??
> t: 192 f: 0.088 pm:301.5 jm:896 q:-14.5 -7.4 1YCI7ABIN*RP/AX ?
> t: 288 f: 0.029 pm:375.4 jm:737 q:-13.1 -6.1 FL2IRO/INTZK.44 ?
> t: 384 f: 0.029 pm:428.3 jm:737 q:-12.1 -7.5 1XI3734OXX87O O ?
> t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:516.3 jm:507 q: -9.6 -9.3 5/70OYZ.B.CO8AG ? <--
> t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:626.8 jm:405 q: -9.6 -8.9 ID9XVIFDI O7LLI ? <--
> t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:653.9 jm:405 q: -9.6 -8.1 ID9XVIFDI O7S4N ? <--
> t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:684.7 jm:405 q: -8.5 -9.4 QVLLGKA/SIP0OO ?? <--
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Mon Oct 11 09:51:24 2010
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:51:24 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XES 10 mw WOLF
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20101011085646.00ec1390@magma.ca>
References: <4CB20C04.8000700@w1tag.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101011085646.00ec1390@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <4CB3165C.3010301@w1tag.com>

Bill,

Yes, back in the good old days, you would have had a collection of .wav 
files to analyze to your heart's content. Endless parameter tweaking...

Last night's results may be difficult to compare with the past two 
nights. There is an offshore storm that is still throwing up static 
crashes this morning, and they were loud and continuous last night. This 
morning, I could not copy the 10 milliwatt signal at all, so I cranked 
it back up to 50 mw, where it decodes just fine.

Yes, WOLF is still a very much unfinished project. Bless Wolf Buscher 
for putting the GUI shell around it, but there is still unrealized 
potential in the core program.

I'll put TAG back on before we leave this afternoon.

John, W1TAG

On 10/11/2010 13:35 PM, Bill de Carle wrote:
> At 02:55 PM 10/10/2010 John, W1TAG wrote:
>> Per Bill's suggestion, I dropped the sound card output level by 7 dB,
>> which should give 10 milliwatts from the exciter, as everything is quite
>> linear.
>>
>> Reports are welcome!
>
> Thanks for the test signal John.
> There were no successful decodes at this power level.
>
> As expected, WOLF made its best attempt right around sunup after the
> static subsided.  It found your signal but was unable to gather up
> enough energy to bring out the message.  One has to feel that with
> some tweaking of the settings it might have worked.  I'm not sure I
> have the optimum integration period.  If we assume 1 part per billion
> frequency offset between Rx, Tx, at 137.45 Khz it would take one hour
> to produce a 180-degree phase shift.  With BPSK MS100 it only takes
> +/- 90 degrees to reach the point where adding in older data results
> in more harm than benefit: half an hour or about 19 WOLF frames.  On
> the other hand it would appear the QSB bright-ups early in the
> evening are quite short (less than half an hour), so a shorter
> integration time would be beneficial as it would be less likely to
> contaminate the coherent integration with extraneous noise.  The
> fixed integrate-and-dump blocks in WOLF's current implementation are
> troublesome because the odds of having a full integration period
> coincide optimally with when the SNR peaks are not
> favorable.  Indeed, I got up in the middle of the night to restart
> WOLF in the middle of a block, trying to shift the end of the last
> 3168-second block so it would more favorably overlap the expected SNR
> enhancement around dawn.  I didn't guess all that well on the timing,
> hi!  IMO, the best strategy for making sure you get optimum overlap
> is to use a moving or sliding average instead of a fixed
> integrate-and-dump average.  That's what we did with COHERENT/AFRICA
> and it worked well.
>
> In Stewart's early notes on WOLF he envisioned using the reference
> channel for something more than just establishing
> synchronization.  One thing we might want to try is selectively
> including past frames: keep the ones which improve SNR for the
> frequency we're trying to receive and throw away the others.  Another
> thing is to track the duration of QSB bright-ups for the signal of
> interest and dynamically adjust a sliding average interval for
> optimum enhancement.
>
> Great test, thanks again.  Now I'm kicking myself for not recording
> the overnight run so I'd have something to play with today, hi!
>
> 73,
> Bill VE2IQ
>
> P.S.  In the last block below (covering the dawn enhancement),
> interesting how WOLF prefers a different jm-index value at each end
> of the brightup period.  Any thoughts on why that happens?
>
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> t:  96 f:-0.015 a: 1.4 dp: 86.8 ci:11 cj:373 5/TRD9UL63E21ER ?
> t: 192 f:-0.020 pm:40.06 jm: 34 q:-13.1 -7.4 JKGD.Z YLD044F9 ?
> t: 288 f:-0.107 pm:42.87 jm:266 q:-11.7 -8.1 5J5MOUNQE6P.R7L ?
> t: 384 f: 0.039 pm:45.10 jm:153 q:-10.5 -7.4 QSY*8 B9EMCZLQM ?
> t: 480 f:-0.098 pm:50.10 jm:589 q:-10.1 -8.1 Z7A???X5P???EFZ ?
> t: 576 f:-0.020 pm:60.45 jm: 91 q: -9.4 -7.4 14A642D/SC09P53 ?
> t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:66.46 jm:836 q: -8.2 -8.8 E2RLUB1I2IZ4X1I ?
> t: 768 f:-0.020 pm:68.46 jm: 91 q: -8.1 -9.6 XKRZCWOW*Y6I47K ?
> t: 864 f: 0.039 pm:70.85 jm:153 q: -7.7 -8.3 750IS91DNEH8OKO ?
> t: 960 f:-0.078 pm:76.20 jm:551 q: -6.8 -9.1 8WZ*LVJBLIO.WA6 ?
> t:1056 f: 0.088 pm:81.10 jm:346 q: -6.9 -7.9 ..0G*39GTEM1Q32 ?
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> t:1248 f:-0.068 pm:97.69 jm:364 q: -7.0 -8.5 H2GE/ZF36M3A5D6 ?
> t:1344 f:-0.068 pm:99.75 jm:364 q: -6.7 -9.2 TBWSIW9ET/TNYGG ?
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> t:1824 f:-0.068 pm:121.7 jm:364 q: -5.3 -7.7 MTB83 9QHDDPYI6 ?
> t:1920 f:-0.068 pm:122.4 jm:364 q: -4.8 -7.2 MTB83 9QHDDPYI6 ?
> t:2016 f:-0.068 pm:123.2 jm:364 q: -4.5-10.0 Z*5WIOYN69FUZ6H ?
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> [..]
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> t: 288 f:-0.039 pm:39.71 jm:393 q:-12.4 -7.1 E5WY.C.4YYYJR3* ?
> t: 384 f: 0.010 pm:48.87 jm:573 q:-11.2 -7.5  L9W1/0YENR1*TH ?
> t: 480 f: 0.010 pm:49.03 jm:573 q:-11.0 -7.4 MCMN76HI1KJST*0 ?
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> t: 672 f:-0.020 pm:58.58 jm:872 q: -9.6 -8.5 9KHC4Z 5J.PIR7C ?
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> t:2976 f: 0.059 pm:173.5 jm:830 q: -2.8 -7.7 1425*NA9/TC*RIC ?
> t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:183.6 jm:307 q: -2.8 -7.9 WSKIKHZGRW4RSCJ ?<--
> t:3168 f: 0.000 pm:187.7 jm:307 q: -2.6 -5.9 *..T7/89CCD*W7D -<--
> [..]
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> t:  96 f: 0.093 a:-0.6 dp:103.8 ci:10 cj: 32 /7E15*MVQ7ZU8V  ?
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> t:2688 f: 0.107 pm: 1178 jm:533 q: -3.3 -7.6 P193GJC0EPLNN7  ?
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 19:09:25 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] OH - MY - GOSH !!!
Message-ID: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

With the help of my wife and step-daughter. We raised the new 
lowFER antenna into the air today. I was on the roof pulling 
one of the guy ropes, and my step-daughter hand walked this
monster into position. I plan to check it out on receive for a 
few days, then I'll try putting the beacon on it. I don't have
an antenna analyzer, and I don't think they work very well at LF
anyway without modifications. So, using the S-meter on the radio;
the peak receive noise on the antenna alone is at 283 KHz. 
I connected it to the variometer, and on 185.300 KHz, it needs 
2.45 mH to peak the S-meter. This is a high value, BUT !!! I have 
never tried an elevated coil before, and the Top Hat is much smaller, 
AND---considerably higher, so needing more Inductance is probably normal.
Check out the antenna at:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=10147879
 
73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Mon Oct 11 19:16:48 2010
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] OH - MY - GOSH !!!
Message-ID: <20101011.192216.3796.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com>

mity good looking
Bob

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
writes:
> With the help of my wife and step-daughter. We raised the new 
> lowFER antenna into the air today. I was on the roof pulling 
> one of the guy ropes, and my step-daughter hand walked this
> monster into position. I plan to check it out on receive for a 
> few days, then I'll try putting the beacon on it. I don't have
> an antenna analyzer, and I don't think they work very well at LF
> anyway without modifications. So, using the S-meter on the radio;
> the peak receive noise on the antenna alone is at 283 KHz. 
> I connected it to the variometer, and on 185.300 KHz, it needs 
> 2.45 mH to peak the S-meter. This is a high value, BUT !!! I have 
> never tried an elevated coil before, and the Top Hat is much 
> smaller, 
> AND---considerably higher, so needing more Inductance is probably 
> normal.
> Check out the antenna at:
> 
> http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=10147879
>  
> 73 all:
> 
> 
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> 
> *** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***
> 
> Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> 
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From ashlockw at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 11 21:44:26 2010
From: ashlockw at hotmail.com (Bill Ashlock)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
In-Reply-To: <4CB1BA7E.8020404@verizon.net>
References: <4CAFAA2C.1070801@charter.net>, ,
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009074849.01861fa0@magma.ca>
	<4CB08CB1.2020205@w1tag.com>, , <4CB090FC.4000004@verizon.net>, ,
	<7.0.1.0.1.20101009131553.018ad128@magma.ca>, ,
	<4CB0C96B.3060102@verizon.net>,
	<SNT127-W34B1B8520EB802D465C1DDC9520@phx.gbl>,
	<4CB1BA7E.8020404@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W58CCC8B0D19CD4682C8D7C9540@phx.gbl>


Hi Stan,

I still haven't decided on an outside material for the house up here. If a log exterior it would have to be 'log facing' because of the 15" of wall thickness needed but I'm concerned with the maintenance expense required to keep this looking good. One of my resent ideas is to use concrete siding. Has an authentic wood grain look and feel and the paint is supposed to last 20 years.

A few thoughts on your "loop possibilities":

1. The use of large diameter cable to lower the Rac requires a lot of copper which is very expensive and also very heavy. The Skin Effect at these frequencies causes most of the loop current to flow in the very outermost portion of the cable, so in essence, you are throwing a lot of copper. Suggest the use of good quality RG-8, RG-9, or 3/8s to 1/2" copper tubing.

2. Wind does not usually cause a tuning problem with single-turn loops of this size. It definitely IS a problem with multi-turn loops.

3. My experiments have shown that a ground screen is not needed for loops at low to mid frequencies unless the ground has very low conductivity... but in this case the screen would have to be extremely large..... maybe multiple wave lengths in size.

4. Recommend doing all your loop testing right at the loop terminals. Too many variables are inserted into the test results when a transmission line is introduced.

Have fun...

Bill A

> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 09:07:10 -0400
> From: stanw1le at verizon.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
> 
>   Hello Bill,
> 
> Sorry for the confusion. I still am impressed with your R50 at the cabin.
> 
> Are they round logs or squared logs in the walls ?
> 
> Your comments are welcome.
> 
> Standing by on Cape Cod      Stan, W1LE
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/9/2010 11:21 PM, Bill Ashlock wrote:
> > Hey Stan,
> >
> > Which "Bill" are you addressing this to? I don't see the original post. I have some comments on your loop ideas (below) if you are interested.
> >
> > Bill A
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:58:35 -0400
> >> From: stanw1le at verizon.net
> >> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: [Lowfer] Renamed as Loop Antenna Possibilities
> >>
> >>    Hello Bill,   Thanks for the details.
> >>
> >> One plan is to use 4 each, 50' lengths of #2AWG welding cable in a 200'
> >> rectangular loop.
> >> Maybe not square, but maybe 70' wide X 30' high, like yours about 10'
> >> above ground
> >> so I do not hang myself looking for nigh crawlers (fishing bait).
> >> I am thinking more of permanent structural supports like ROHN 25 towers
> >> to support everything.
> >> The welding cables have  some weight, so I may support them on a
> >> horizontal non metallic catenary.
> >> Original plan was for 2 each tower, suspending the single loop between
> >> then at an opportune LOB.
> >> Definite merit to 3 towers and 2 orthogonal loops.
> >>
> >> I cut most of the trees down on that side of the yard and they were
> >> rather short<  50'.
> >> They would really whip around in the wind. Towers would be reasonably rigid.
> >>
> >> The ground screen I originally envisioned was 6' wide galvi chain link
> >> fence material,
> >> either laid on top of or buried under the loop. Maybe on the grass may
> >> be better
> >> because the acidic soil with acid rain will eat up the galvi/steel in a
> >> couple of years.
> >> At least on the grass I can easily inspect it.
> >>
> >> I inspected the fencing materials I can salvage and they are buried in
> >> over growth.
> >> Will be quite a job removing them. The dog kennel panels may be easily
> >> salvaged,
> >> but the dogs will get that material. And should be able to mow over it.
> >>
> >> The welding cable insulation is orange in color and probably goodly
> >> rugged for the intended service.
> >> May have to paint it to tone it down.
> >>
> >> Originally was planning to do all RF testing outside at the antenna feed
> >> but
> >> I am thinking now of just bringing the feeds to the house, any
> >> combining/switching inside.
> >> The shorter ISO shipping containers 8'W x 20' long x 8' high have merit and
> >> are by far cheaper that any shed for the floor space. And a shielded
> >> room....
> >> Easy to deliver, but would take some work making pretty for the neighbors.
> >> Larger military shelters are a possibility, then I could argue to the
> >> taxman they are
> >> not a permanent ground based shelter, but rather a vehicle accessory.
> >>
> >> Stan, W1LE     Cape Cod
> >>
> >>
> >> ZZZZz
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From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 11 21:49:09 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:49:09 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] OH - MY - GOSH !!!
In-Reply-To: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0F5D526DE4FD4C3084A64D0030C063E4@LeePC>

Very nice, Andy.  I bet it works very well for you.

Lee, w0vt-






With the help of my wife and step-daughter. We raised the new
lowFER antenna into the air today. I was on the roof pulling
one of the guy ropes, and my step-daughter hand walked this
monster into position. I plan to check it out on receive for a
few days, then I'll try putting the beacon on it. I don't have
an antenna analyzer, and I don't think they work very well at LF
anyway without modifications. So, using the S-meter on the radio;
the peak receive noise on the antenna alone is at 283 KHz.
I connected it to the variometer, and on 185.300 KHz, it needs
2.45 mH to peak the S-meter. This is a high value, BUT !!! I have
never tried an elevated coil before, and the Top Hat is much smaller,
AND---considerably higher, so needing more Inductance is probably normal.
Check out the antenna at:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=10147879

73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Mon Oct 11 22:01:33 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:01:33 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] OH - MY - GOSH !!!
In-Reply-To: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <783608BB-0BB3-41CA-846A-B7F344E70F5D@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Andy, Lowfers,

Looks good....I hope it works great for you to reward your efforts!  Let us know when you give it a shot of RF.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From esmithmail at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 22:10:13 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:10:13 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] OH - MY - GOSH !!!
In-Reply-To: <783608BB-0BB3-41CA-846A-B7F344E70F5D@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<783608BB-0BB3-41CA-846A-B7F344E70F5D@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <2695327363300615889@unknownmsgid>

A lot of people never get on the air at LF because building the
antenna can be discouraging.  Good work, Andy.  And good job getting
the family involved.

Eric  KD5UWL


On Oct 11, 2010, at 9:01 PM, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> Hi Andy, Lowfers,
>
> Looks good....I hope it works great for you to reward your efforts!  Let us know when you give it a shot of RF.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
>
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
>
>
>
>
>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 23:00:11 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] OH - MY - GOSH !!! - Quick Ant. Check
In-Reply-To: <916027.61805.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <184126.30854.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Not a good night for the first test of the new antenna on receive.
Static crashes are at summer levels, peaking as high as 15dB over S-9.
I did notice this... in the 8 pm hour, the noise level was a constant
S-5. That's 2 S-units higher than recently. The average peaks were an
S-7, with instantaneous peaks reaching S-9 to 15dB over. Even in that
amount of noise, I was seeing the twighlight traces of " SIW " I was
really surprised to see that. The signal faded into the noise quickly.
There is a noticable 10 to 12dB higher level on the new lowFER ant.
than on the 160/80 dipoles I have been using. The vertical is certainly
going to pick up more noise than the low dipoles, but what showed me 
this antenna is receiving is when I switched over to WWVB on 60 KHz to
calibrate SPECTRAN. The signal was pounding in, with no ant. matching
for WWVB. On the dipoles, it would be very weak, but it is astonishingly
strong on the LF vertical. Not a good night to look for weak signals,
but I'm going to watch the watering hole overnight.
73, and good night to all:
See the new antenna here:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=10147879


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm




From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 09:43:25 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Antenna Analyzer
Message-ID: <4CB465FD.5050900@gmail.com>

I'm considering buying an antenna analyzer and retiring my Knight Kit 
RFZ bridge and Eldico AT-1 Antennascope to my antique test instrument 
museum.   I would like to have one with a range of .1 to 500 MHz but it 
looks like I will have to comprised on the high end range but don't want 
to on the low end.  I found a list of devices available on eHam which 
has been helpful:

http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/31

Who on this group has what analyzer and what are your comments about it?

Dex

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 09:46:23 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:46:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 600MRG> K index
In-Reply-To: <000a01cb6a04$2a80f920$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
Message-ID: <80652.16355.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

That gives me a good reason why I saw no signals in the 1750 meter
band last night I suppose. I felt like it was a bad night to try 
out the new antenna, but tried anyway. Only the weakest of traces 
of " SIW " , and horrible noise All Night !! Noise wise, it dosen't 
look much better for tonite, as a couple of low pressure systems 
will be passing thru until mid-day on Wed. and causing possible
storms. I need to keep a better eye on the " K " Index in the future.

Have a great day everyone, and 73 :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Tue, 10/12/10, jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: 600MRG> K index
> To: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3 at verizon.net>, "600MRG" <shmrg at piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 7:54 AM
> Yep ... high K index / DST @ -67 and
> static generator off coast crippled the T/A path. T/A condx
> 
> were superb the night before. What a difference a day makes
> ...
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dave.riley3" <dave.riley3 at verizon.net>
> To: "600MRG" <shmrg at piobaire.mines.uidaho.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:38 AM
> Subject: 600MRG> K index
> 
> 
> >
> > Is this the reason for no Trans-Atlantic decodes last
> night?
> >
> >
> > http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/k-index.html
> >
> >
> > TNX from Dave @ /17
> >
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Tue Oct 12 10:06:39 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:06:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Antenna Analyzer
Message-ID: <381413752.468159.1286892399116.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Dex,

       I have the AEA VIA-HF, the Autek RF-1 and an MFJ-249.
The MFJ and Autek don't really have low frequency coverage however.
Autek does make an VA-1 good to 500kHz and Dale KW1I has one that he uses on 500kHz.
The AEA VIA-HF does work well down as far as 137kHz at least.

I have a problem with strong local AM BC stations throwing the reading of any analyzer off though.
It helps a lot to use either a high-pass or low-pass filter to attenuate MW signals before making a measurement.

The instrument I use most however is a Telepost LP-100A DIGITAL VECTOR WATTMETER:
http://www.telepostinc.com/

It measures complex impedance NOT Just SWR!!!
No problems with MW signals mucking up the readings!

I have a custom coupler for the LP-100A  that is good down to 100kHz and will handle up to 6kW in the HF range, I have a second coupler for the higher freqs.
The best part is that is calibrated by Larry to NIST traceable accuracy! (Not likely to get that from an MFJ!)



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 12, 2010 09:43:41 AM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

I'm considering buying an antenna analyzer and retiring my Knight Kit 
RFZ bridge and Eldico AT-1 Antennascope to my antique test instrument 
museum.   I would like to have one with a range of .1 to 500 MHz but it 
looks like I will have to comprised on the high end range but don't want 
to on the low end.  I found a list of devices available on eHam which 
has been helpful:

http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/31

Who on this group has what analyzer and what are your comments about it?

Dex
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Tue Oct 12 10:16:33 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:16:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] NAA
Message-ID: <227313270.468414.1286892993342.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Check out this Popular Science article on the construction of NAA in Cutler,ME

http://books.google.com/books?id=3yUDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA60#v=onepage&q&f=true



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1

From w5jgv at spectrotek.com  Tue Oct 12 11:49:50 2010
From: w5jgv at spectrotek.com (Ralph W5JGV)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Antenna Analyzer
In-Reply-To: <4CB465FD.5050900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHMEIIGKAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>

> Who on this group has what analyzer and what are your comments about it?


I have an AIM-4170, and after using it for a few months, I find that it
falls into the same category as my FLEX-5000A transceiver.  That is, after
you use it once, you just throw all of your other gear in the dumpster.
It's that good.

Thee are two things that some people may have trouble with.  The first is
that the unit only goes up to 180 MHz. OTOH, the low end coverage is great.
The second is that you do need the unit to be connected to a computer (a
cheap used laptop is fine) for it to function.  It is possible to use a
BlueTooth link to remote the AIM from the computer.

The ability to save the scanned data and replay and rework it after the fact
is very handy.  I also use my AIM to characterize various components and
networks.  Tuning a filter is easy; you can see the filter's response curve
change on the computer screen as you adjust components.  Likewise when
tuning an antenna, the results show up on the computer screen immediately.
I can "cold tune" an antenna with my AIM and when I connect the rig to the
antenna, everything just works.

BTW, you can download the free operating software and run it in the demo
mode.  If you start the program and then load a saved SCN (scan) file, you
can play with most of the data display and processing functions of the
program.  I can email you some SCN files if you are interested.

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From k2ors at verizon.net  Tue Oct 12 13:46:22 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:46:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Antenna Analyzer
Message-ID: <14021173.318686.1286905583021.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>

W0QE has a good write-up on the AIM-4170, with tests comparing the AIM to an HP-8735B:
http://www.bnk.com/w0qe/AIM4170_page1.html

The AIM seems to be very good unless interfering stations (such as AM MW broadcast) reach levels of -5dBm or greater, in whic case you would need to use a MW filter - but this is pretty much common to all analyzers of this type.



73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 12, 2010 11:52:19 AM, w5jgv at spectrotek.com wrote:

> Who on this group has what analyzer and what are your comments about it?


I have an AIM-4170, and after using it for a few months, I find that it
falls into the same category as my FLEX-5000A transceiver.  That is, after
you use it once, you just throw all of your other gear in the dumpster.
It's that good.

Thee are two things that some people may have trouble with.  The first is
that the unit only goes up to 180 MHz. OTOH, the low end coverage is great.
The second is that you do need the unit to be connected to a computer (a
cheap used laptop is fine) for it to function.  It is possible to use a
BlueTooth link to remote the AIM from the computer.

The ability to save the scanned data and replay and rework it after the fact
is very handy.  I also use my AIM to characterize various components and
networks.  Tuning a filter is easy; you can see the filter's response curve
change on the computer screen as you adjust components.  Likewise when
tuning an antenna, the results show up on the computer screen immediately.
I can "cold tune" an antenna with my AIM and when I connect the rig to the
antenna, everything just works.

BTW, you can download the free operating software and run it in the demo
mode.  If you start the program and then load a saved SCN (scan) file, you
can play with most of the data display and processing functions of the
program.  I can email you some SCN files if you are interested.

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 16:41:09 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:41:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] How do I make the ant. work above its resonant frequency ??
Message-ID: <84011.95478.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

The new lowFER Vertical is self resonant around 290 KHz roughly.
It peaks very sharply, and drops out about 15 KHz up, and about
20 KHz below, so very narrow with the elevated coil. I can 
immediately see the dis-advantage of an elevated coil if one plans
to use the ant. as a broadband receive device. Going down isn't a
problem, but how do I get the ant. to work on higher frequencies ??
On 600 meters it is totally deaf. I tried putting a variable cap
in series with the ant. but very little benefit. The same with
shunting it to ground, which should take it lower anyway.
First time trying something like this; I'm wondering if it's 
going to be usable only below its resonant frequency ??



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily OFF, while constructing a new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
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From w5jgv at spectrotek.com  Tue Oct 12 18:24:57 2010
From: w5jgv at spectrotek.com (Ralph W5JGV)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:24:57 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] How do I make the ant. work above its resonant
	frequency ??
In-Reply-To: <84011.95478.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHKEJEGKAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>

> The new lowFER Vertical is self resonant around 290 KHz roughly.
> It peaks very sharply, and drops out about 15 KHz up, and about
> 20 KHz below, so very narrow with the elevated coil.

<snip>

> I'm wondering if it's
> going to be usable only below its resonant frequency ??

There are several possible options.  You can add a series capacitor to the
antenna at the base, which effectively reduces the inductance.  That will
make it tune to a higher frequency.  The downside is that you still have the
loss of the extra loading inductance in the antenna.  Not good.

You can reduce the inductance by either by tapping down on some of the turns
of the loading coil or by  shorting out some turns.  You could also insert a
length of large diameter copper pipe inside the loading coil, which will act
as a shorted turn and reduce the inductance.

If it were me, I'd consider adding a switch to the coil to change taps on
the coil.  A pair or poly ropes to the switch would let you change the
switch as needed.  Somehow you need to reduce the inductance of he loading
coil.

It looks like you are in for another "antenna party!"

Have fun!

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 20:54:57 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " is trying a little RF
Message-ID: <911577.25545.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Decided to connect the transmitter to the antenna and see what
happened. I had to add 100 MilliHenries of Inductance to get the
output to peak, along with adding some extra shunt capacitance on
the antenna side of the Low Pass filter. I finally have the RF
ammeter up to 115 MilliAmps. Plus it is now raining, and the 
output took the usual 20 mAMP drop, so, I think the antenna is
drawing about 135 mAMPS with 1 watt DC Input on the Final.
Using all the previous indicators, The S-meter on the radio is
showing 5dB more reading, don't know if that really means much.
The Field Strength meter is showing at least the same as before,
and possibly just a tiny bit higher. It's hard to tell in needle 
widths... hi - hi: My SPECTRAN reading shows me to be transmitting
at 185,299.31 KHz. That's a little higher than before. I may need 
to re-seat the chips in their sockets. Again, having never used 
an elevated loading coil before, I don't know if what I am seeing 
is normal or not. I don't like having to add more Inductance to 
the Variometer coil to get it to peak, but most likely normal.
I'll run a carrier for awhile, maybe overnight if the storms stay 
away. Probably not a good night to try looking, but thanks to 
anyone who does..... 73 for now:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily TESTING the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 12 22:43:06 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " is trying a little RF
In-Reply-To: <911577.25545.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <971033.70285.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Everything seems to have settled down, and is stable now.
RF Current is holding steady at 115 MilliAmps.
The transistors are cool, so I think I'll leave it on overnight
running a carrier. If anyone happens to see the signal. I sure
would like to know it. have a good night:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily TESTING the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm




From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 06:16:31 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:16:31 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " is trying a little RF
References: <911577.25545.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb6abf$b4da8a30$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Andy

If your frequency is 185299.31 you might consider changing it ... that's exactly the last know 
frequency of SIW. That said, I've got intermittant reception (high static levels) of a carrier at 
185298.40 that I don't recall ever seeing before. Signal is beginning to come up nicely as we 
approach sunrise. Please advise if your TX is still on and if this might be your actual frequency.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy - KU4XR" <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " is trying a little RF


Decided to connect the transmitter to the antenna and see what
happened. I had to add 100 MilliHenries of Inductance to get the
output to peak, along with adding some extra shunt capacitance on
the antenna side of the Low Pass filter. I finally have the RF
ammeter up to 115 MilliAmps. Plus it is now raining, and the
output took the usual 20 mAMP drop, so, I think the antenna is
drawing about 135 mAMPS with 1 watt DC Input on the Final.
Using all the previous indicators, The S-meter on the radio is
showing 5dB more reading, don't know if that really means much.
The Field Strength meter is showing at least the same as before,
and possibly just a tiny bit higher. It's hard to tell in needle
widths... hi - hi: My SPECTRAN reading shows me to be transmitting
at 185,299.31 KHz. That's a little higher than before. I may need
to re-seat the chips in their sockets. Again, having never used
an elevated loading coil before, I don't know if what I am seeing
is normal or not. I don't like having to add more Inductance to
the Variometer coil to get it to peak, but most likely normal.
I'll run a carrier for awhile, maybe overnight if the storms stay
away. Probably not a good night to try looking, but thanks to
anyone who does..... 73 for now:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily TESTING the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 13 08:17:31 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:17:31 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" is trying a little RF
Message-ID: <4CB5A35B.6020309@sbcglobal.net>

Jay, it's likely what you noticed at 185.2984 kHz is Andy. I saw a 
carrier at 185.2987 kHz much of the night using ARGO at QRSS60, slow, 
but haven't calibrated for a while. If that's Andy, his frequency is 
nicely below SIW. QRN here was bad in the late evening but abated by the 
middle of the night (last screen capture was about 0930Z).

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 08:31:03 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:31:03 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" is trying a little RF
References: <4CB5A35B.6020309@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <005901cb6ad2$80336780$6d01a8c0@DELL4>

Garry

Tnx for the info. If Andy verifies that his transmitter was on the air I'd say it's highly likely 
that was XR ... since the 185.300 region is normally free of phantom signals at this location. The 
carrier did drift off into the sunrise indicating it was arriving from some distance.

Not much seen from SIW last night but condx are currently depressed and the the static was, 
unfortunately, at mid summer levels.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garry Hess" <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] "XR" is trying a little RF


> Jay, it's likely what you noticed at 185.2984 kHz is Andy. I saw a
> carrier at 185.2987 kHz much of the night using ARGO at QRSS60, slow,
> but haven't calibrated for a while. If that's Andy, his frequency is
> nicely below SIW. QRN here was bad in the late evening but abated by the
> middle of the night (last screen capture was about 0930Z).
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 10:25:52 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" is trying a little RF
In-Reply-To: <005901cb6ad2$80336780$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
Message-ID: <879092.4775.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Good day all:

Thank you Jay, and Garry for at least looking for the signal.
I turned the carrier off this morning at 7:05am EDST when I 
left for work. I think I was having a calibration issue last
night at first. When I went to bed, the frequency was around
185,298.72 KHz according to SPECTRAN. I heard the transmitter
" burp " thru the speaker, and suddenly the frequency moved 
back to where it was supposed to be. I guess I was just blowing
the cob webs out of everything last night.

First night observations in transmit mode: It appears that the
elevated loading coil " DOES " help the antenna stay a bit more
RF stable during changing ground conditions. The fluctuating
RF current that I put up with in the previous vertical, was not
evident in this one... Yet, anyway... and I hope that this will
really be a characteristic of the new vertical. When it started
raining last night, the current began to drop as usual, but it
finally settled on 115 MilliAmps. The previous vertical would 
usually fluctuate from 150 mA to 160 mA when the ground was wet.
When I got up this morning, the RF current was still smack on
115 mA, and no change in PA voltage and current, and overnight,
it rained, drizzled, and heavy " dripping " fog this morning. So
thru different elemental changes, the antenna seems to be a lot
more stable....That !!! I am very happy about.

I had to add about 120 mHenries of extra Inductance to the inside
coil, and a bit more Shunt Capacitance to bring the system to a
match. In one way, I expected this, but I didn't expect having to 
" ADD " Inductance to the Variometer to be able to peak the RF.

As with anything new, there will be lots to learn about this
antenna configuration, and how to optimize it. Again, thank you guys 
for looking. I feel that the antenna is radiating, and not just a
40 foot tall dummy load.  If all goes well; I'll put the beacon in
QRSS-60 tonite with the usual " XR " callsign. That will make it
definite for sure on reception.

73 to all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily TESTING the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] "XR" is trying a little RF
> To: k3siw at sbcglobal.net, "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:31 AM
> Garry
> 
> Tnx for the info. If Andy verifies that his transmitter was
> on the air I'd say it's highly likely 
> that was XR ... since the 185.300 region is normally free
> of phantom signals at this location. The 
> carrier did drift off into the sunrise indicating it was
> arriving from some distance.
> 
> Not much seen from SIW last night but condx are currently
> depressed and the the static was, 
> unfortunately, at mid summer levels.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Garry Hess" <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] "XR" is trying a little RF
> 
> 
> > Jay, it's likely what you noticed at 185.2984 kHz is
> Andy. I saw a
> > carrier at 185.2987 kHz much of the night using ARGO
> at QRSS60, slow,
> > but haven't calibrated for a while. If that's Andy,
> his frequency is
> > nicely below SIW. QRN here was bad in the late evening
> but abated by the
> > middle of the night (last screen capture was about
> 0930Z).
> >
> > 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
> >


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 11:27:34 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] How do I make the ant. work above its resonant
	frequency ??
In-Reply-To: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHKEJEGKAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>
Message-ID: <370651.28177.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Ralph:  Thanks for your advice. Since the antenna is for the
lowFER band, and it's finally in the air; I'll use it to
receive from 1750 meters and down. I tried it out on 2200 meters,
and it is pretty easy to add some Inductance, and Capacitance to
get it down there. And it seems to receive fairly well there.
There were no signals at the time, but it was at least picking 
up lots of static crash noise ;~) ...., and in comparison to the
160/80 crossed dipoles at 32 feet; WWVB booms in on the lowFER
vertical. As for 600 meter reception, the dipoles do OK for the
monitoring I'll be doing occasionally. 73 to you :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Tue, 10/12/10, Ralph W5JGV <w5jgv at spectrotek.com> wrote:


> > The new lowFER Vertical is self
> resonant around 290 KHz roughly.
> > It peaks very sharply, and drops out about 15 KHz up,
> and about
> > 20 KHz below, so very narrow with the elevated coil.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > I'm wondering if it's
> > going to be usable only below its resonant frequency
> ??
> 
> There are several possible options.? You can add a
> series capacitor to the
> antenna at the base, which effectively reduces the
> inductance.? That will
> make it tune to a higher frequency.? The downside is
> that you still have the
> loss of the extra loading inductance in the antenna.?
> Not good.
> 
> You can reduce the inductance by either by tapping down on
> some of the turns
> of the loading coil or by? shorting out some
> turns.? You could also insert a
> length of large diameter copper pipe inside the loading
> coil, which will act
> as a shorted turn and reduce the inductance.
> 
> If it were me, I'd consider adding a switch to the coil to
> change taps on
> the coil.? A pair or poly ropes to the switch would
> let you change the
> switch as needed.? Somehow you need to reduce the
> inductance of he loading
> coil.
> 
> It looks like you are in for another "antenna party!"
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ralph? W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 13:13:19 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:13:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Matching coil
Message-ID: <550343.25188.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Gentlemen, I ask for advice once again. I know I ask lots of questions,
and may re-ask some; so thank you kindly for your patience. Before I
start to un-wind / re-wind the Variometer matching coil in the shack;
I could use any pointers, experience, etc. I am using an elevated
loading coil on the antenna mast. The value is around 2.3 MilliHenries.
My inside coil / Variometer had a value of 2.33 MilliHenries for the
previous antenna, but this dosen't appear to be enough. I needed 2.44
MilliHenries to be able to peak the RF current.. I thought, and 
maybe wrongly, that I would need much less Inductance on the inside 
coil. All things considered though; an elevated loading coil which will
need more Inductance anyway. Plus the top hat on the new Vertical is a
10 foot square, and the old antenna was a Spider web with 13 radials in
a 180 degree pattern, and each radial was 14 feet long. The old top hat
was 30 feet AGL, and the new on is 40 feet AGL. Now for the questions;
with the elevated coil ( 2.32 mH ) , and the inside coil ( 2.44 mH ),
they add up to 4.76 mH ... 

Does this value sound unreasonably high ?? 

Is it possible that I might be tuning a harmonic ?? 
and how would I know if I were ??

Thanks so much for any input as I learn the characteristics of the
new lowFER antenna... Never tried this type of design before.

73 all :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct 13 13:58:37 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Matching coil
In-Reply-To: <550343.25188.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <550343.25188.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CF4470893D0A47159C93CC4EE7057863@LeePC>

Andy:

The higher the coil is placed within the vertical, the more inductance is 
required to resonate the antenna.  Your total inductance for bottom loading 
seems more then you need.  (Depending on capacitance of the antenna to 
ground.  I have not heard of a varometer coil having the same inductance as 
the main coil.  Usually it is much less and has enough inductance to just 
"tune" to resonance with the main coil being within the "ballpark".  If you 
have half the inductance in the varometer coil, you certainly don't have the 
best Q.  Bill Bower's  just wound a base loading coil for me.  The total 
inductance is a little under 3 mH.  (he was quessing how much coil I needed 
for my wire vertical).  The varometer coil looks many times smaller then the 
main coil  (maybe 1/10th or smaller then the main coil).

I know in my ham mobile days,  I needed a much larger coil when I mounted 
the loading coil on top of a 4 foot bottom section compaired to when I base 
loaded the total of an 8 foot whip.

Lee, w0vt






was 30 feet AGL, and the new on is 40 feet AGL. Now for the questions;
with the elevated coil ( 2.32 mH ) , and the inside coil ( 2.44 mH ),
they add up to 4.76 mH ...

Does this value sound unreasonably high ??

Is it possible that I might be tuning a harmonic ??
and how would I know if I were ??

Thanks so much for any input as I learn the characteristics of the
new lowFER antenna... Never tried this type of design before.

73 all :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From VE7SL at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 13 18:19:41 2010
From: VE7SL at shaw.ca (STEVE MCDONALD)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:19:41 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Matching coil
In-Reply-To: <550343.25188.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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> with the elevated coil ( 2.32 mH ) 

Andy - are you 100% sure about this value? Most air core coils this large are huge and heavy unless made with very small gauge wire or have a ferrite core.

Steve / VE7SL

From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 13 18:37:34 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:37:34 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW and XR
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP895B1C6F845ED706CF4F3BE9550@phx.gbl>

Hi all:
At 6:30PM EDT (1030 UTC ) SIW was being copied very well - on 185299.3.
Noise level not too bad here -  
http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html
showing lots of lightning over Indiana - and probably moving between London and XR during the evening - but will be listening for Andy and see what happens during the night..

Mitch

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 13 19:56:43 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:56:43 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Matching coil
Message-ID: <4CB6473B.10007@sbcglobal.net>

Andy,

 From earlier posts I gather your antenna with raised inductor of about 
2.3 mH is self-resonant around 290 kHz. That implies an antenna 
capacitance on the order of 130 pf.

As a check, consider the rule of thumb for the capacitance of a vertical 
antenna of 6 pf/m, or about 2 pf/ft (see 
http://strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#CombTop). Your 40' mast can thus be 
expected to present something on the order of 80 pf. But your tophat 
adds to this. Your complicated structure isn't addressed directly by the 
previous URL, but a second rule of thumb is that a single horizontal 
wire at the top adds approximately 1.5 pf/ft. From the picture of your 
antenna it looks like you have something on the order of eight 3' wires, 
or 36 pf. Since they are all connected at the periphery the net 
capacitance would be somewhat greater than 80+26=106 pf.

One last estimate of antenna capacitance can be made using your comment 
that 4.76 mH total is needed to tune it to 185 kHz. That implies a 
capacitance of 155 pf.

Conclusion: your large inductance does seem in line with the antenna 
structure you've built.

I don't have a lot of experience winding variometers but I've certainly 
learned that Litz wire is essential (see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire). Winding a coil with 2.5 mH and 
low DC resistance isn't hard and need not result in a huge structure. 
Unfortunately, all the coils I've wound with magnet wire, while having 
great DC resistance, have significant resistance at AC (meaning 185 
kHz). This isn't because of the skin effect, but rather is the result of 
the proximity effect. Even using 20/40 Litz wire, the best I've done 
with a 2.5 mH coil is a Q of about 250 because the length of wire needed 
has a DC resistance on the order of 10 ohms. Litz wire keeps the AC 
resistance at about the same value but a good ground system should 
present no more than something on the order of 35 ohms of resistance in 
series with the capacitance mentioned earlier. If the PA drives that 
load via a variometer with 10 ohms resistance, the true efficiency is 
only about 80% even when the PA is 100% efficient. It seems clear why 
really good lowfer beacons like WEB use 175/40 Litz wire.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 20:01:29 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
Message-ID: <777345.7582.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

Well I wound 3 extra turns onto the inside matching coil / variometer.
When I connected the transmitter to it, and tweaked everything up;
the antenna is loading to 142 Milli Amps tonite, and the ground is 
still damp. I may end up being surprised, and this antenna perform
OK. I will be doing lots, and lots of peaking and tweaking in the
days ahead, but I'm going to let it burn tonite and see if it really
does put a signal into the ether. I haven't checked my frequency;
but it should be close to 185,298.7??-ish ... Thanks to anyone who
gives it a look see tonite.

73 for now, and it sure feels good to hear the beacon back on....


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 20:16:14 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Matching coil
In-Reply-To: <4CB6473B.10007@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <176976.18543.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Andy,
> 
>  From earlier posts I gather your antenna with raised
> inductor of about 
> 2.3 mH is self-resonant around 290 kHz. That implies an
> antenna 
> capacitance on the order of 130 pf.
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

_______________________________________________________________

Hi Garry:  That's the same figure I came up with today, but didn't 
try to factor in the antenna capacitance itself. Using a resonant
frequency calculator; it showed a needed 5.68 Milli Henries to be
resonant at 185.28 KHz... The total Inductance needed to resonate
this antenna is right now 4.88 Milli Henries, which, if you take
the antenna self capacitance into consideration; this appears to 
be pretty darned close. I knew I would need more Inductance, I 
just didn't know how much. The smaller top hat - farther from 
the ground really made a big difference. If I can afford the wire,
I really need to rewind the inside matching coil, and get rid of 
the very small wire. Way too much resistance in it, but at the
least, it is working right now until I can do better.

73, and thanks for your comments:



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Matching coil
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 7:56 PM
> Andy,
> 
>  From earlier posts I gather your antenna with raised
> inductor of about 
> 2.3 mH is self-resonant around 290 kHz. That implies an
> antenna 
> capacitance on the order of 130 pf.
> 
> As a check, consider the rule of thumb for the capacitance
> of a vertical 
> antenna of 6 pf/m, or about 2 pf/ft (see 
> http://strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#CombTop).
> Your 40' mast can thus be 
> expected to present something on the order of 80 pf. But
> your tophat 
> adds to this. Your complicated structure isn't addressed
> directly by the 
> previous URL, but a second rule of thumb is that a single
> horizontal 
> wire at the top adds approximately 1.5 pf/ft. From the
> picture of your 
> antenna it looks like you have something on the order of
> eight 3' wires, 
> or 36 pf. Since they are all connected at the periphery the
> net 
> capacitance would be somewhat greater than 80+26=106 pf.
> 
> One last estimate of antenna capacitance can be made using
> your comment 
> that 4.76 mH total is needed to tune it to 185 kHz. That
> implies a 
> capacitance of 155 pf.
> 
> Conclusion: your large inductance does seem in line with
> the antenna 
> structure you've built.
> 
> I don't have a lot of experience winding variometers but
> I've certainly 
> learned that Litz wire is essential (see 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire).
> Winding a coil with 2.5 mH and 
> low DC resistance isn't hard and need not result in a huge
> structure. 
> Unfortunately, all the coils I've wound with magnet wire,
> while having 
> great DC resistance, have significant resistance at AC
> (meaning 185 
> kHz). This isn't because of the skin effect, but rather is
> the result of 
> the proximity effect. Even using 20/40 Litz wire, the best
> I've done 
> with a 2.5 mH coil is a Q of about 250 because the length
> of wire needed 
> has a DC resistance on the order of 10 ohms. Litz wire
> keeps the AC 
> resistance at about the same value but a good ground system
> should 
> present no more than something on the order of 35 ohms of
> resistance in 
> series with the capacitance mentioned earlier. If the PA
> drives that 
> load via a variometer with 10 ohms resistance, the true
> efficiency is 
> only about 80% even when the PA is 100% efficient. It seems
> clear why 
> really good lowfer beacons like WEB use 175/40 Litz wire.
> 
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 21:26:42 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:26:42 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XR in CT
References: <176976.18543.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901cb6b3e$dbd11c10$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Quick snipit of your signal Andy. Lots of static here at the moment. 

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/XR101310.jpg

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 21:42:23 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XR in CT
In-Reply-To: <000901cb6b3e$dbd11c10$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <537773.31854.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

WOW !!! I'm beginning to feel better about the new antenna the more
I use it. I had serious doubts about it to start. I believe this is
the earliest in the evening you have ever received my signal.
I want to tweak it for all it's worth, and then try some digi-modes
this winter on 1750 meteres.  Thanks for your help, and patience.
73 to you :

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Lowfer] XR in CT
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:26 PM
> Quick snipit of your signal Andy.
> Lots of static here at the moment. 
> http://www.w1vd.com/capture/XR101310.jpg
> 
> Jay W1VD? WD2XNS? WE2XGR/2
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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 13 22:58:49 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:58:49 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <777345.7582.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <777345.7582.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Andy:
Copy of XR on 185298.7 - just below SIW who is becoming weaker - 
Your signal appeared about 10:30 pm EDT here in London. Will try and copy
through the night - and let you know tomorrow.

Nice going 

Mitch
On 2010-10-13, at 8:01 PM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:


From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 23:17:24 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:17:24 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP81443AD55213F9F4C2C643E9560@phx.gbl>
References: <777345.7582.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP81443AD55213F9F4C2C643E9560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CB67644.1090504@gmail.com>

Looking good here in NC at 209 miles until a fade set in.

Dex

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 23:24:58 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP81443AD55213F9F4C2C643E9560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <937621.6535.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

WOW Again !!, Thanks so much guys for looking. So far the tiny 
signal is going into the NE to Jay - 713 miles, to the N to 
Mitch - 526 miles, and to the W to Laurence - 650 miles.
Laurence put his OK grabber on the watering hole :

http://kl7uk.com/Bville.html

Looks like Garry and myself are both getting into OKIE territory.
I'm excited to see how the signal does when the band quietens
down over night.... 73 to all for now, time for some shut eye:

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> From: Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:58 PM
> Andy:
> Copy of XR on 185298.7 - just below SIW who is becoming
> weaker - 
> Your signal appeared about 10:30 pm EDT here in London.
> Will try and copy
> through the night - and let you know tomorrow.
> 
> Nice going 
> 
> Mitch
> On 2010-10-13, at 8:01 PM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 23:26:52 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <4CB67644.1090504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <409597.76803.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks DEX; the attachment didn't come thru. They haven't been for
a while now. I appreciate your time, have a good night.

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-60 tonite
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:17 PM
> Looking good here in NC at 209 miles
> until a fade set in.
> 
> Dex
> 
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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 14 08:16:43 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:16:43 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
Message-ID: <4CB6F4AB.1060509@sbcglobal.net>

Congratulations Andy, XR is obviously getting out well. Copied it here 
beginning about 0300Z through 0900Z when it faded into the noise. No 
sunrise enhancement noted after that.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 13:56:11 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <4CB6F4AB.1060509@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <56858.59804.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the report Garry: The antenna is actually exceeding
my expectations so far.  I checked Laurence's grabber last night
and it looked like we were both making it into OK. Thanks again
for looking, and have a great day; 73 :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 8:16 AM
> Congratulations Andy, XR is obviously
> getting out well. Copied it here 
> beginning about 0300Z through 0900Z when it faded into the
> noise. No 
> sunrise enhancement noted after that.
> 
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Thu Oct 14 17:38:05 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XR
References: <537773.31854.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401cb6be8$165fe880$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Andy

Will XR be on tonight?

Jay


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 18:41:35 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XR
In-Reply-To: <000401cb6be8$165fe880$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <837080.65251.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, jrusgrove at comcast.net wrote:

> Andy
> 
> Will XR be on tonight?
> 
> Jay

_____________________________________________________

Yes Jay:  I just finished some work on the cableing coming into
the window; and have the beacon running in QRSS-60 as usual.
RF current is gently moving between 140 to 145 Milli Amps as
the breeze blows this evening.


Now, for the laugh factor :: The wind got up pretty breezy today,
and a piece of the perimeter tape on the top hat tore... 
I expected that really. And now that I see that the antenna can 
be raised with 2 people, I will lower it and put a solid wire 
around the perimeter, and most likely remove the foil tape. 
That's the part that the wind is going to whip around the most.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

*** Temporarily " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Thu, 10/14/10, jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: jrusgrove at comcast.net <jrusgrove at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Lowfer] XR
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 5:38 PM
> Andy
> 
> Will XR be on tonight?
> 
> Jay
> 
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Thu Oct 14 23:48:07 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:48:07 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XR
References: <837080.65251.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb6c1b$c7983930$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

XR doing well tonight despite raging nor'easter with high static levels. Fragments of SIW visible 
also. Think your new antenna is working FB Andy.

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/XRSIW101410.jpg

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 


From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Fri Oct 15 07:20:25 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW XR at sunrise
Message-ID: <002501cb6c5a$f6c604a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

SIW peaking up nicely at sunrise. XR not as strong at sunrise as earlier in the night.   

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/SIWXR101510.jpg

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 07:26:55 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:26:55 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW XR at sunrise
In-Reply-To: <002501cb6c5a$f6c604a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <002501cb6c5a$f6c604a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hZKgs_93+dG1uTGD0piEx9Nep53GgSOujPrnC@mail.gmail.com>

I started listening this morning and rcvr still warming up but started
getting nice copy when something in my area caused problems with copy
but still got this copy hr..FM19
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/xr.jpg

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:20 AM,  <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:
> SIW peaking up nicely at sunrise. XR not as strong at sunrise as earlier in the night.
>
> http://www.w1vd.com/capture/SIWXR101510.jpg
>
> Jay W1VD ?WD2XNS ?WE2XGR/2
>
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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 15 09:11:42 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:11:42 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW XR at sunrise
Message-ID: <4CB8530E.5060802@sbcglobal.net>

Jay and Lloyd, thanks for looking for signals around the 185.3 kHz 
watering hole. Also, thanks to Laurence for tuning his Bartlesville 
grabber (http://kl7uk.com/Bville.html) to the watering hole over night.

Copied XR here at 185.2986 kHz using QRSS60, slow quite well most of the 
night. Left the frequency around 0915Z to look for NDBs, but returned to 
find the signal still doing well until 1115Z, a bit before local 
sunrise. Can tell WMS is in there around 185.3016 kHz but still not good 
enough to decode.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 15 09:34:47 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <56858.59804.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <56858.59804.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP846EC6C28BA35D20FD480CE9570@phx.gbl>

Andy:
Good morning - super signal all night long - one small fade - but no loss of signal
from 10AM EDT (0200Z) until dropout at sunrise. Dropout was extremely fast - 
within one character - going from solid to nothing.
Hope this clip shows - otherwise I will send direct.

Mitch
-------------- next part --------------




From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 15 09:37:24 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:37:24 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP846EC6C28BA35D20FD480CE9570@phx.gbl>
References: <56858.59804.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP846EC6C28BA35D20FD480CE9570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP9702C38B4AADA3995BC013E9570@phx.gbl>

Nope - clip too big - so will work on reducing size.

Mitch

From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 11:06:51 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:06:51 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP846EC6C28BA35D20FD480CE9570@phx.gbl>
References: <56858.59804.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP846EC6C28BA35D20FD480CE9570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZu1p_tpLQzG1NwYWqjjxTLEhXRgKj-i03scus@mail.gmail.com>

I saw that dropoff but thought it was some interference problem at my
qth..interesting
Lloyd

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Andy:
> Good morning - super signal all night long - one small fade - but no loss of signal
> from 10AM EDT (0200Z) until dropout at sunrise. Dropout was extremely fast -
> within one character - going from solid to nothing.
> Hope this clip shows - otherwise I will send direct.
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 15 12:13:56 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:13:56 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] "XR" in QRSS-60 tonite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZu1p_tpLQzG1NwYWqjjxTLEhXRgKj-i03scus@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56858.59804.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP846EC6C28BA35D20FD480CE9570@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTinZu1p_tpLQzG1NwYWqjjxTLEhXRgKj-i03scus@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP90A107D0F96A319712B82AE9570@phx.gbl>

Lloyd: I thought so too - but SIW was still at the same level - but I tend to see SIW even through the day .
It sure affected the North-South path down to Andy  from you and I.

Mitch

On 2010-10-15, at 11:06 AM, lloyd chastant wrote:

> I saw that dropoff but thought it was some interference problem at my
> qth..interesting
> Lloyd
> 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Andy:
>> Good morning - super signal all night long - one small fade - but no loss of signal
>> from 10AM EDT (0200Z) until dropout at sunrise. Dropout was extremely fast -
>> within one character - going from solid to nothing.
>> Hope this clip shows - otherwise I will send direct.


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 13:39:18 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " drop out at sunrise
Message-ID: <215030.37733.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone: 

Interesting on the sudden drop out of the signal at sunrise.
And it's not a coincidence because it is happening at various
geographical locations right around their local sunrise time.
I'm at a loss for a reason .... I was late leaving for work today
and I checked the beacon around 8:45am EDST ( 12:45 UTC ). 
it was on, but a cold front had a pretty hefty breeze going, and 
with the broken section of perimeter foil tape flapping around
wildly in the breeze; the RF current was going crazy. I really
don't think that the broken tape would do that, I would think
that the frontal system would be more the culprit. And, not 
having used this new antenna long enough to see its characteristics,
It might very well be the design of this particular antenna, and
all those comments are un-educated possibilities.

Propagation was better last night, as some of the 600 meter monitors
were reporting better reception on 500 KHz last night to. And I would
expect the same to occur at 1750 meters also.... I want to keep this
as short as possible, I know I tend to write dissertations.
One change that I " THINK " may have helped somewhat. The downlead
from the bottom of the elevated loading coil came down to about 
2 feet above the ground, and then folded back up to the window where
it comes in to the inside matching coil. I went on the assumption
that this would cause a lot of coupling to the ground, and side of the
mobile home, so I cut a piece of PVC pipe about 2 feet long, and ran
the downlead thru it into the window. I closed the window on the pipe,
and now the downlead is spaced about 1-1/2 feet from the window.
My assumptions were evidently correct, as I had to add more Inductance
to the inside coil due to the lower capacitive coupling to the 
surroundings. BUT !!! even though I had to add Inductance overall
it helped, because I am able to get about 8 Milli Amps more RF " I "
now. And I feel that it is actually making it up the antenna, and
into the air.... Someone made the comment to me awhile back that just
because I am showing a high RF current dosen't mean that it's really
getting into the air. Some, or much of the current may be coupling 
into the surroundings, and actually be soaked up instead of being 
radiated into the air. They recommended taking all steps possible to
minimize capacitive coupling into nearby objects. I hope that it
what I did with the PVC pipe bringing the downlead into the window.

Thanks to Jay, Garry, Mitch, and Lloyd for your signal reports.
73 to all :



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

Now " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From listread at oswegoblade.com  Fri Oct 15 22:59:34 2010
From: listread at oswegoblade.com (JD)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] How do I make the ant. work above its resonant
	frequency ??
References: <84011.95478.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5F416CEB01DD4791B6970790286A33BC@JohnHPNotebook>

Andy, there's another relatively simple approach to making an antenna work 
above the resonant frequency that you achieve with the loading coil(s). 
Remember, for transmitting you are feeding the antenna from a relatively low 
impedance source and the objective is to keep all resistances as low as 
possible, which makes the Q of the system pretty high.  For receiving, 
however, you can run the antenna into a high impedance preamp input and 
thereby broaden the response considerably. 

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct 16 07:55:08 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:55:08 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] 185299.05
Message-ID: <000f01cb6d28$fb157d00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Signal observed on 185299.05 for short time at sunrise. Anyone care to claim it?

XR weaker than previous two nights as was SIW. Not sure why ... the 'numbers' looked good ... 

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct 16 08:17:27 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:17:27 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XNS QRP WOLF
Message-ID: <002d01cb6d2c$18f77410$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

WOLF on 137.450 running 100 mW for the next few hours ... shaking down a refurbed phasing exciter.

Reports appreciated.

Jay



From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 08:36:20 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:36:20 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] 185299.05
In-Reply-To: <000f01cb6d28$fb157d00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <000f01cb6d28$fb157d00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikusHcRGu-2u8pw3D-B2TyWhykv0c286UOJyX1y@mail.gmail.com>

I had the XR fadeout again this morning
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/xr2.jpg

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM,  <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:
> Signal observed on 185299.05 for short time at sunrise. Anyone care to claim it?
>
> XR weaker than previous two nights as was SIW. Not sure why ... the 'numbers' looked good ...
>
> Jay W1VD ?WD2XNS ?WE2XGR/2
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct 16 09:02:38 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:02:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XR NICE COPY SAT MORNING AT 308 MILES DISTANCE
Message-ID: <107478.77dc8af7.39eafc6e@aol.com>



Hi All,
XR was nice copy here in SC overnight Friday  Night/Saturday Morning 
at 308 miles distance. Signal peaked nicely between 6-7AM EDT   
(10:00-11:00  UTC).

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/32051022/view/XRSATMORNING.jpg


Around  7:15AM EDT signal suddenly faded out just before my sunrise.
Almost like  somebody turning off a  switch.


http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/32051022/view/XRFADEOUT.jpg


73  - Todd WD4NGG
 

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 16 09:21:31 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:21:31 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Watering hole and EAR
Message-ID: <4CB9A6DB.5090605@sbcglobal.net>

With all the attention being paid to the watering hole, I should point 
out that lowfer EAR is working well too, QRSS30 on 188.8307 kHz.

Nothing noted here around 185.29905 kHz. The lightning map was quiet 
over night but reception was rather noisy anyway. In addition to local 
SIW, XR was in well throughout the night and all letters of WMS were 
copied, but at QRSS60 rate rather than QRSS30. Those signals plus UWL 
were evident on Laurence's Bartlesville grabber. The W5JGV grabber only 
showed hints of signals whereas last year it regularly copied MP at 
great distance regularly. Perhaps the e-probe has degraded.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From L.Howell at conocophillips.com  Sat Oct 16 09:51:30 2010
From: L.Howell at conocophillips.com (Howell, Laurence J)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:51:30 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] 185299.05
Message-ID: <0A257CE3702D684C93134A482D74E8D5EC080CB7@BVLEXMB70.conoco.net>

I saw 4 sigs overnite but given the qrm here I'm getting a lot of blurring. Uwl and xr were definites.. 

And uwl continues to be clear during the day here.

Laurence under a qrm cloud...
Laurence Howell
IC 06-630-34
On Blackberry

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sat Oct 16 09:51:37 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:51:37 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Watering hole and EAR
In-Reply-To: <4CB9A6DB.5090605@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CB9A6DB.5090605@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8C294B98-788C-4AB9-9B22-EF8D2B91FEC6@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Garry, Lowfers,

Thanks for the report.  It's coming into the season for good reception, so it's nice to know I'm getting out of the back yard!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 13:02:43 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:02:43 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Antenna Analyzer
In-Reply-To: <14021173.318686.1286905583021.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <14021173.318686.1286905583021.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4CB9DAB3.7000209@gmail.com>

Thank for all the input I received on antenna analyzers.  From all the 
responses I received from this group, several other groups and direct, 
for my needs the AIM4170C is the winner.  Now it's time for some 
creative personal financing.

Dex




From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 13:43:07 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " drop out at sunrise & Signal Reports
Message-ID: <282521.82191.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone:? I lowered the antenna this morning to remove the torn
foil tape around the top hat perimeter. I replaced it with 3 aluminum
wires, so these won't tear in the wind... hi - hi : Now I just have 
to wait for some help to get it back up into the air, and see how it
affected the tuning...... Man, I am still super curious about running 
some angled wires from the outer tip of the top hat, down to the 
vertical mast about 7 feet down. This would make it look like the 
" KITE " style of antenna, But I have no idea what that will do to
the characteristics of the antenna. I have found out that it is 
performing well, and I certainly don't won't to mess that up.
The angled wires I think would become part of the vertical section
of the antenna mast, But the big question I don't know the answer to,
is will adding say, 4 wires angleing downward, and connecting to the
mast about 7 feet below " ADD " to the antenna capacitance referenced
to earth, and result in needing less Inductance to resonate it ???
I'm not sure that the angled wire might not at least partially shield
the top hat from earth. The angled wires connected to the vertical
portion of the antenna will see more earth beneath than the straight 
up vertical section does, and if my thinking is correct, should add
some capacitance to the top of the antenna 


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

Now " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:? N:? 35? 43' 54" - W:? 84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm





From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 13:53:14 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " drop out at sunrise & Signal Reports
In-Reply-To: <282521.82191.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <336332.68251.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Well part of the email didn't come thru. The email just froze up.
I had asked if anyone has any theory, OR Experience with using
the angled wires from the outer tip of the top hat, down to the
vertical mast?? I would appreciate any comments on that.
I will be trying to raise the antenna back into the air later today,
but while it's on the ground, nows the time to add the angled wires,
and then raise it back up...

Thanks so much for all the reception reports, I appreciate them.
On the sunrise sudden drop out of the signal, I think it has something
to do with the radiation characteristics of this particular antenna.
I have no way to prove that with theory, but wondering if very low
angles of radiation disappear quickly at sunrise, and appear quickly
at sunset ?? On the Night time bands of course.

73 to all for now : 




Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

Now " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Sat, 10/16/10, Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " drop out at sunrise & Signal Reports
> To: "European & UK) and MedFer bandsDiscussion of the Lowfer (US" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 1:43 PM
> Hey everyone:? I lowered the antenna
> this morning to remove the torn
> foil tape around the top hat perimeter. I replaced it with
> 3 aluminum
> wires, so these won't tear in the wind... hi - hi : Now I
> just have 
> to wait for some help to get it back up into the air, and
> see how it
> affected the tuning...... Man, I am still super curious
> about running 
> some angled wires from the outer tip of the top hat, down
> to the 
> vertical mast about 7 feet down. This would make it look
> like the 
> " KITE " style of antenna, But I have no idea what that
> will do to
> the characteristics of the antenna. I have found out that
> it is 
> performing well, and I certainly don't won't to mess that
> up.
> The angled wires I think would become part of the vertical
> section
> of the antenna mast, But the big question I don't know the
> answer to,
> is will adding say, 4 wires angleing downward, and
> connecting to the
> mast about 7 feet below " ADD " to the antenna capacitance
> referenced
> to earth, and result in needing less Inductance to resonate
> it ???
> I'm not sure that the angled wire might not at least
> partially shield
> the top hat from earth. The angled wires connected to the
> vertical
> portion of the antenna will see more earth beneath than the
> straight 
> up vertical section does, and if my thinking is correct,
> should add
> some capacitance to the top of the antenna 
> 
> 
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> 
> Now " TESTING " the new antenna ***
> 
> Coordinates:? N:? 35? 43' 54" - W:? 84? 3' 16"
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> 
> *** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***
> 
> http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w1tag at charter.net  Sat Oct 16 15:06:19 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:06:19 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XNS WOLFIE
Message-ID: <4CB9F7AB.1040006@charter.net>

JR,

A rather robust signal.

JA

2010-10-16 12:33:27 >WOLF10  -r 8001.056 -f 800.16 -t 0.5 -d 12 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.004 a: 0.9 dp: 54.6 ci: 6 cj:384 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:  48 f: 0.003 a: 0.9 dp: 56.6 ci: 6 cj:384 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:  96 f:-0.348 a:-1.3 dp: 54.7 ci:15 cj:355 Y/RO8J3/J/5XW1B ?
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:4.149 jm:192 q:  1.5  2.5 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:9.747 jm:192 q:  5.3  4.9 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:15.35 jm:192 q:  6.7  6.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:19.76 jm:192 q:  8.0  7.6 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:23.65 jm:192 q:  9.2  8.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:28.77 jm:192 q:  9.6  9.2 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:32.76 jm:192 q: 10.1  9.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 864 f: 0.000 pm:37.67 jm:192 q: 10.5 10.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:41.16 jm:192 q: 10.9 11.0 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1056 f: 0.000 pm:44.29 jm:192 q: 11.3 11.4 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:48.24 jm:192 q: 11.5 11.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1248 f: 0.000 pm:52.99 jm:192 q: 11.7 11.9 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
2010-10-16 12:54:47 >WOLF10  -r 8001.056 -f 800.16 -t 0.5 -d 12 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.344 a:-0.2 dp: 62.1 ci: 0 cj:  0 836.UMSD0ZUZF9C ?
t:  48 f: 0.337 a: 0.2 dp: 56.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 SUYXVV.GOB.5*YC ?
t:  96 f:-0.439 a: 1.0 dp: 54.4 ci:11 cj:227 OYDOR.5D3OUDQVE -
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:5.236 jm:831 q:  1.6  1.1 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:9.956 jm:831 q:  3.9  3.0 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:13.70 jm:831 q:  5.1  5.2 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:17.92 jm:831 q:  5.6  5.4 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:23.23 jm:831 q:  6.7  6.4 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:27.26 jm:831 q:  7.7  7.5 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:32.21 jm:831 q:  8.3  8.1 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
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t:  48 f: 0.005 a: 1.4 dp: 56.6 ci: 0 cj:  0 TO/QGW2T1MB2DFT ?
t:  96 f:-0.103 a:-1.2 dp: 57.1 ci: 5 cj:390 8R/*EEY9KKR7VV  ?
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:4.807 jm:186 q:  2.7  2.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:9.611 jm:186 q:  5.2  5.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:14.52 jm:186 q:  7.2  6.6 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:19.01 jm:186 q:  9.0  8.4 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:24.92 jm:186 q: 10.2  9.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:30.16 jm:186 q: 11.0 10.0 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:35.42 jm:186 q: 11.7 10.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 864 f: 0.000 pm:40.68 jm:186 q: 12.2 11.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:46.11 jm:186 q: 12.5 12.0 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1056 f: 0.000 pm:50.71 jm:186 q: 12.8 12.6 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:55.36 jm:186 q: 13.1 13.0 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1248 f: 0.000 pm:60.05 jm:186 q: 13.5 13.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
2010-10-16 18:14:48 >WOLF10  -r 8001.056 -f 800.16 -t 0.5 -d 12 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.322 a:-0.9 dp: 60.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 ???TBUVMAAN1/B8 ?
t:  48 f: 0.417 a:-1.2 dp: 58.5 ci: 1 cj:  0 ACAZK0.ZX9 R8YT ?
t:  96 f:-0.043 a:-0.3 dp: 55.4 ci: 7 cj: 37 JB9P5A70U5ASJHY ?
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:5.126 jm:825 q:  4.3  1.1 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:10.91 jm:825 q:  7.0  4.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:16.50 jm:825 q:  8.0  6.4 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:21.90 jm:825 q:  8.5  7.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:26.66 jm:825 q:  9.8  9.0 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:31.68 jm:825 q: 10.8  9.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:36.48 jm:825 q: 11.5 10.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 864 f: 0.000 pm:42.26 jm:825 q: 11.9 11.7 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:47.55 jm:825 q: 12.5 12.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1056 f: 0.000 pm:53.41 jm:825 q: 13.1 12.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:58.18 jm:825 q: 13.8 13.1 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t:1248 f: 0.000 pm:63.18 jm:825 q: 14.5 13.5 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
2010-10-16 18:36:08 >WOLF10  -r 8001.056 -f 800.16 -t 0.5 -d 12 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.469 a:-0.5 dp: 57.4 ci:15 cj:  1 FN9E32H8W6I/O*H ?
t:  48 f: 0.009 a: 0.4 dp: 54.4 ci:15 cj:  1 845DPUB9VS1BWM9 ?
t:  96 f: 0.405 a:-0.4 dp: 54.3 ci: 8 cj:122 TQP???6C.7*3V7I ?
t: 192 f: 0.000 pm:4.796 jm:504 q:  5.2  8.1 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 288 f: 0.000 pm:9.683 jm:504 q:  8.0  9.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:15.37 jm:504 q: 10.0 11.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:20.11 jm:504 q: 11.6 11.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:24.61 jm:504 q: 12.9 12.8 WD2XNS CT 100MW -
t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:29.27 jm:504 q: 13.5 13.3 WD2XNS CT 100MW -

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 15:10:39 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Angled wires from the top hat to the mast
Message-ID: <243210.37406.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I went ahead and aded 4 angled wires to the antenna just to see what
happens. I looked at the info on Lyles old "MIN " antenna, and his
was not connected down the mast, but at the top of it, and the top hat
pipe was insulated, so my experiment if it does anything will most
likely just make the top 5 feet of the mast " appear " very large.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

Now " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 16:59:11 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:59:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " back on now:
Message-ID: <592701.86495.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Antenna is back up, almost no change in antenna current. 
Any daytime peaks would be appreciated to see possibly how
far it'll go by groundwave..... 73:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )

Now " TESTING " the new antenna ***

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct 16 19:31:09 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ in CT
Message-ID: <000501cb6d8a$368a7870$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Not DX for sure but always nice to hear a cw lowfer beacon.

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/SJ101610.mp3

Miss hearing Carl's TH beacon from Colts Neck NJ. Remember straining to hear it as the summer static 
began to wind down thus ushering in a new season.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 


From w5jgv at spectrotek.com  Sat Oct 16 19:31:37 2010
From: w5jgv at spectrotek.com (Ralph W5JGV)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:31:37 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Watering hole and EAR
In-Reply-To: <4CB9A6DB.5090605@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHMEANGLAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>

> The W5JGV grabber only
> showed hints of signals whereas last year it regularly copied MP at
> great distance regularly. Perhaps the e-probe has degraded.


Hello folks,

While it's entirely possible that the front-end JFET may have been damaged
by thunderstorms, I suspect the real problem us that the new 600 Meter
vertical antenna for WD2XSH/7 is radiating about four times the field
strength as the temporary antenna did.  The result is that is pretty well
crushes the amplifier in the E-probe antenna when the transmitter is in the
air.

Previously, the TX was running on a 5 minute on/off cycle, so the E-probe
antenna had a chance to capture weak signals during the off time in the
cycle.  Now, however, the TX is running on a 24/7 basis using QRSS10, which
does not allow enough receive time for the E-probe and ARGO to function
properly in the QRSS30 mode.

I'm looking at the possibility of installing a new E-probe antenna on the
other side of my property, but that involves running a coax cable across the
road and about 1500 feet away through dense brush and woods.  Not
impossible, just difficult and somewhat expensive.

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From w1tag at charter.net  Sat Oct 16 19:51:13 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:51:13 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ in CT
In-Reply-To: <000501cb6d8a$368a7870$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <000501cb6d8a$368a7870$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <4CBA3A71.60209@charter.net>

> Miss hearing Carl's TH beacon from Colts Neck NJ. Remember straining to hear it as the summer static
> began to wind down thus ushering in a new season.

...for old times sake:
http://www.w1tag.com/files/TH0227.mp3
from 2002.

JA

From mike_staines at email.com  Sun Oct 17 00:02:06 2010
From: mike_staines at email.com (Mike Staines)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:02:06 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ in CT
In-Reply-To: <4CBA3A71.60209@charter.net>
References: <000501cb6d8a$368a7870$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<4CBA3A71.60209@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1287288126.26850.310.camel@blackbox>

> Miss hearing Carl's TH beacon from Colts Neck NJ. Remember straining to hear it as the summer static
> > began to wind down thus ushering in a new season.
> 
> ...for old times sake:

And to think that his ground-plane consisted of a single water-well
casing in the ground.

Recently, someone here (or perhaps the 49 MHz list) mentioned
enhancement when a ship went under a bridge. Carl was part of that work.

 Mike
WM1KE


From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 17 07:46:30 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 07:46:30 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] abrupt LOS
Message-ID: <000501cb6df0$f0db3eb0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Interesting abrupt loss of signal on Andy's signal ...

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/SIWXR101710.jpg

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 17 09:05:25 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:05:25 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] abrupt LOS
Message-ID: <4CBAF495.1020501@sbcglobal.net>

Jay, I wasn't monitoring lowfers this morning around sunrise but recall 
WEB typically disappears mid-dit or dash. The 500 kHz stations WD2XSH/6 
and /7 are much stronger but they nosedive as well in a matter of a few 
minutes with sunrise. Figured the D layer was rather like a switch - 
turn on when dark, turn off when sunlit. Might be interesting to monitor 
lowfers during an eclipse.

Copied XR well here through the night (0400Z-0815Z) and got two full 
callsigns from WMS using QRSS30, slow. The first was around 0430Z, the 
second around 0530Z. Still nothing definite from UWL.

Conditions were good here around local sunrise to the west, allowing NDB 
LLD on 350 kHz to be copied the first time this "season".

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 17 10:00:06 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:00:06 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] abrupt LOS
References: <4CBAF495.1020501@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000a01cb6e03$9ab39a10$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Garry

Thanks for your morning updates. Since I don't normally see WMS and UWL except under very good condx 
it's good to get info on their operations.

In the past I don't recall the 'drop off the cliff' on Andy's signal - more like a slow fade out as 
in SIW's signal on the same capture from this morning. A curious effect but probably nothing 
significant.

Jay



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garry Hess" <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] abrupt LOS


> Jay, I wasn't monitoring lowfers this morning around sunrise but recall
> WEB typically disappears mid-dit or dash. The 500 kHz stations WD2XSH/6
> and /7 are much stronger but they nosedive as well in a matter of a few
> minutes with sunrise. Figured the D layer was rather like a switch -
> turn on when dark, turn off when sunlit. Might be interesting to monitor
> lowfers during an eclipse.
>
> Copied XR well here through the night (0400Z-0815Z) and got two full
> callsigns from WMS using QRSS30, slow. The first was around 0430Z, the
> second around 0530Z. Still nothing definite from UWL.
>
> Conditions were good here around local sunrise to the west, allowing NDB
> LLD on 350 kHz to be copied the first time this "season".
>
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct 17 10:18:30 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] abrupt LOS
In-Reply-To: <4CBAF495.1020501@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CBAF495.1020501@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP97259B7C490C74E75BCBFDE9590@phx.gbl>

Garry:
Great Pacific catch..... Just for fun - use Google and enter    beacon LLD    and take a
look at the satellite graphic that pops up.  Looks like a centre fed Tee antenna - I suppose 
you could calculate tower height by shadows ? ?   and they must have an enormous extension
cord, because they're in the middle of nowhere !

Mitch
On 2010-10-17, at 9:05 AM, Garry Hess wrote:
> 
> 
> Conditions were good here around local sunrise to the west, allowing NDB 
> LLD on 350 kHz to be copied the first time this "season".
> 
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
> ______________________________________________________________


From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 11:22:37 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:22:37 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Daytime XR
Message-ID: <4CBB14BD.5000006@gmail.com>

Slight frequency shift just after 11 a.m.?





From alan.melia at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 17 12:29:18 2010
From: alan.melia at btinternet.com (Alan Melia)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:29:18 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " drop out at sunrise & Signal Reports
Message-ID: <004201cb6e18$733d51a0$4001a8c0@lark>

Hi Andy If you run wires from the edge of the present top had back to the
mast you will degrade the antenna. what you will do is to reduce the
"effective height" of the antenna. you may not measure much difference but
you will radiate a poorer signal. There is no advantage in broadbanding it,
and there is always a compromise.

If you connect some wires sloping the other way (away from the mast) and
terminat them about 7 or 8 feet above ground you could see an imperovement
because this will increase the top capacity. There is a slight shielding
effect if the wires are angles downwards but with a small plot you have
little option. Ideally dont overlap more than 1/3rd of the mast with the
angled wires....this is an "Umbrella" antenna.

Alan G3NYK


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 12:52:48 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Daytime XR
In-Reply-To: <4CBB14BD.5000006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <907328.8494.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

Lots of emails today, so it'll take some time to get around to all 
of them. But for Todd, Dex, and Doug, " XR " is on, and will be 
thru the day unless something weird happens.

Dex, I have noticed the small frequency shifts, but not certain
what is really causing them to happen. I suspect a very slight
voltage change on the EPSON Osc. chip. That will definitely cause
a change in frequency.

NOTE !!! for the guys looking for " XR " on groundwave. I made a 
change in the setup at exactly 12:30pm EDST ( 16:30 UTC )
I would like to know if any of you see a change in the signal,
better, or worse... I had my HF dipoles connected to the rig
last night monitoring on 600 meters and that changed the tuning 
of the lowFER beacon drastically. They are now disconnected, as
I usually have it, just sort of suspended in the air....

Doug - KB4OER in Wautauga, TN. is 110 miles away from me, and my
sugnal was Dog Boneing big time a little after 8am this morning.
I have asked him to see if he can hear the carrier cycling On/Off.
I am striving for a setup that can be Heard in CW over 100 miles
away. When I get to that point; I'll feel like I have a real lowFER
setup.

Gotta make a quick trip to town, more later, 73 for now:



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] Daytime XR
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 11:22 AM
> Slight frequency shift just after 11
> a.m.?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 13:48:25 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Daytime XR
In-Reply-To: <907328.8494.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <907328.8494.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CBB36E9.8010300@gmail.com>

I'm not positive the frequency shift wasn't on my end.  I'm using a 
SPM-19 SLM that has problems.  I've never seen a problem with the 
frequency accuracy but I don't trust the thing like I use to.  I've been 
wanting a R75 for many years but seems like something else always 
preempts it's purchase.  Like the AIM antenna analyzer is doing now :)

There was not much difference if any after your 12:30 change.  Below is 
a link to a capture of several hours with the 12:30 marked.

http://www.w4dex.com/lf/lowfer/captures/xr/xr_1330edt_17oct10.jpg

Dex

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 14:06:02 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:06:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " audible at 110 Miles, as the crow flies
Message-ID: <53195.95790.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I just got this email from Doug - KB4OER in Watauga, TN.

 --- On Sun, 10/17/10, Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:

I managed to null out most of the offending PLC and yes, I do have
audible copy of your signal. It is faint, but I believe if you were
sending a CW beacon I could copy it.

Nice job!

D.

110 Miles straight shot, but over the Smokey Mountains, so with a 
mile high obstacle in the way; this is the first verified report
of my signal being heard, and not just seen... It does give me a
feeling of accomplishment... Thanks Doug for your help:



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 14:21:15 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Daytime XR - ie: 12:30pm change
In-Reply-To: <4CBB36E9.8010300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <814073.2966.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for that screen shot Dex, To my eyes, it appears that the 
signal may have improved after I disconnected the HF dipoles from 
the system. They are in the near field of course, but disconnected;
they are just suspended in mid air, however, when connected in any 
way, they become part of the overall antenna setup, whether I have 
them connected to the radio, or grounded. And, after I disconnected
the dipoles, that is when Doug, in Watauga reported that he could 
hear the carrier cycling On/Off....

More to come, Thanks for working with me guys, I appreciate it:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Daytime XR
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 1:48 PM
> I'm not positive the frequency shift
> wasn't on my end.? I'm using a 
> SPM-19 SLM that has problems.? I've never seen a
> problem with the 
> frequency accuracy but I don't trust the thing like I use
> to.? I've been 
> wanting a R75 for many years but seems like something else
> always 
> preempts it's purchase.? Like the AIM antenna analyzer
> is doing now :)
> 
> There was not much difference if any after your 12:30
> change.? Below is 
> a link to a capture of several hours with the 12:30
> marked.
> 
> http://www.w4dex.com/lf/lowfer/captures/xr/xr_1330edt_17oct10.jpg
> 
> Dex


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 16:24:10 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
Message-ID: <239242.67142.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

OK;  Jay showed the strongest signal from me last night so far.
Last night I was running with the 4 angled wires from the tip of
the Top Hat cross arms, down 5 feet and connected to the mast.
But; I also still had the HF dipoles connected to the radio, and 
there's no doubt that they were a part of the antenna system.
I haven't ran any tests to see what effect they would have when
grounded, which would make them act like an elevated ground wire.
Or when connected to the radios antenna jack to receive.
Please forgive my OCD, but I am a stickler on anything until I
am convinced that I either have it right, or can't do any better.
Alan Melia commented that the angled wires would shorten the 
effective hieght of the antenna, and I can see his reasoning in 
that. The angled wires became part of the Top Hat, and effectively
cut off 5 feet of Vertical radiating section. If this is the case,
the wires can easily be removed. I want ever Micro-OHM of RAC that
the antenna can provide, so if removing the wires would be better,
then that's what I'll do. I put them on the antenna to try it, and
see what happened by doing so. I really think that I need to leave
everything as it is for a few days, and run the setup as usual to
be able to get a better judgement of antenna performance. One night
can't give definitive results.

Here is the link to the photo of the Top Hat with the angled wires,
I'm interested in any, and all comments on the pros, and cons with
the wires connected.....

 http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=102976340



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 17 18:19:40 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:19:40 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
References: <239242.67142.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cb6e49$64436f00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Andy

I wouldn't go too much by what you see in my captures over the course of a few nights. Skywave 
propagation is normally up and down so differences are not likely due to minor antenna changes. 
Analyzing minor antenna changes would be best done with accurate field strength measurements out at 
least a number of miles.

Jay



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy - KU4XR" <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 4:24 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments


OK;  Jay showed the strongest signal from me last night so far.
Last night I was running with the 4 angled wires from the tip of
the Top Hat cross arms, down 5 feet and connected to the mast.
But; I also still had the HF dipoles connected to the radio, and
there's no doubt that they were a part of the antenna system.
I haven't ran any tests to see what effect they would have when
grounded, which would make them act like an elevated ground wire.
Or when connected to the radios antenna jack to receive.
Please forgive my OCD, but I am a stickler on anything until I
am convinced that I either have it right, or can't do any better.
Alan Melia commented that the angled wires would shorten the
effective hieght of the antenna, and I can see his reasoning in
that. The angled wires became part of the Top Hat, and effectively
cut off 5 feet of Vertical radiating section. If this is the case,
the wires can easily be removed. I want ever Micro-OHM of RAC that
the antenna can provide, so if removing the wires would be better,
then that's what I'll do. I put them on the antenna to try it, and
see what happened by doing so. I really think that I need to leave
everything as it is for a few days, and run the setup as usual to
be able to get a better judgement of antenna performance. One night
can't give definitive results.

Here is the link to the photo of the Top Hat with the angled wires,
I'm interested in any, and all comments on the pros, and cons with
the wires connected.....

 http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=102976340



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LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Oct 17 18:28:30 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:30 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
In-Reply-To: <239242.67142.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <239242.67142.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E0C31DF7-DCA4-4C69-977B-9411CC36DCA6@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Andy, Lowfers,

I just had a look at the picture and I've a question for you.  The reddish looking "supports" that run from the four corners of your
top hat up to the top of the vertical portion above the hat....are they conductors (wire) or some type of rope or twine?  If they are
not made from conductive material, I think you would achieve more by replacing them with something conductive rather
than having four wires going down to the vertical mast below the top hat. 

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 20:02:26 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:02:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
In-Reply-To: <E0C31DF7-DCA4-4C69-977B-9411CC36DCA6@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <102249.48118.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/17/10, John Bruce McCreath wrote:

> Hi Andy, Lowfers,
> 
> I just had a look at the picture and I've a question for you.  
> The reddish looking "supports" that run from the four corners 
> of your top hat up to the top of the vertical portion above the
> hat....are they conductors (wire) or some type of rope or
> twine?
_________________________________________________

Hi J.B.   There is a 3 foot PVC pipe above the top hat to serve the
purpose of a tensioning post. The red string you see, is weedeater
string used to pull the swag out of the Top Hat crossarms. None of 
the material above the Top Hat is conductive.  

__________________________________________________________


> If they are not made from conductive material, I think you 
> would achieve more by replacing them with something conductive
> rather than having four wires going down to the vertical mast
> below the top hat. 
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
_________________________________________________________________

Well, the angled wires was an idea, albiet not a productive one.
So I will remove them the next time I lower the antenna.
As for adding wire above the Top Hat; I'll have to say that my
knowledge on short vertical antennas is based on mobile antennas
which is the brunt of information available on the internet.
>From the reading I have done; unless I am mis-understanding some
of the info. Anything above the Top Hat, such as whips, and 
stingers ( mobile ant. info. ) they are electrically hidden by
the Top Hat from the antenna section beneath it, and provide
very little if any benefit to the antenna. BUT !!! as I always
say; If I'm wrong, I want to correct my knowledge with the
right information..... So; with that said, anyone who would like
to add some meat to this topic; I'm hungry to learn.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 20:05:19 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:05:19 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XR and WKPT fade
Message-ID: <4CBB8F3F.2080508@gmail.com>

While cleaning up my 40 year Sanyo Transworld I had it tuned to WKPT 
1400 KC Kingsport TN which was playing old rock music.  The station went 
into the noise about 30 minutes ago.  I just noticed XR did the same and 
still hasn't recovered.

Dex

From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 20:43:04 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] What's XR up to now?
Message-ID: <4CBB9818.5070904@gmail.com>


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 20:59:49 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:59:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] What's XR up to now?
In-Reply-To: <4CBB9818.5070904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <956211.17585.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:

> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] What's XR up to now?
__________________________________________________

About 40 feet, with 150 Milli Amps of RF, at 1 Watt
                        < GRIN >

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] What's XR up to now?
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 8:43 PM
> 



From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 22:07:19 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:07:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Where the tiny little " XR " signal is coming from
Message-ID: <177226.86183.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Station Setup:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=103021789


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Oct 17 22:27:17 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:27:17 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
In-Reply-To: <102249.48118.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <102249.48118.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <822F29F5-D24D-47D1-9A37-1837157D55C0@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi again Andy,

You've been reading a lot lately!  The information about structures above the top hat, especially as they apply to HF mobile
antennas is quite true.  Don Johnson, W6AAQ, the inventor of the famous "Screwdriver" antenna proved that to be a fact in
his book about HF mobile antennas.

I think that the difference in your case would be that the addition of wires from the four corners of the top hat up to the top of
the insulated vertical rod would become part of the top hat.  That is, they wouldn't been seen as a single vertical element
above the hat, but rather a part of it, since they originate at the four corners and converge to a single point slightly above.

I have to agree with Alan Melia's comments about the downward wires coming from the top actually reducing some of
the height of the main vertical mast/wire.  If you decide to try my suggestion, don't replace the insulated extension but
only the insulated cord.  You could probably use the currently downward wires to create the top hat "growth" in area.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 17 22:59:20 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
In-Reply-To: <822F29F5-D24D-47D1-9A37-1837157D55C0@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <914551.91241.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 10/17/10, John Bruce McCreath wrote:

> I have to agree with Alan Melia's comments about the downward wires 
> coming from the top actually reducing some of the height of the main 
> vertical mast/wire.  If you decide to try my suggestion, don't replace
> the insulated extension but only the insulated cord.  
> You could probably use the currently downward wires to create the 
> top hat "growth" in area.
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
_____________________________________________________________

Sounds like a plan to me J.B. cut em from the bottom, and flip
em to the top... a job for another day. I got the same recommendation
from others also.  73 to you:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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--- On Sun, 10/17/10, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Photo of XR Top Hat, and comments
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 10:27 PM
> Hi again Andy,
> 
> You've been reading a lot lately!? The information
> about structures above the top hat, especially as they apply
> to HF mobile
> antennas is quite true.? Don Johnson, W6AAQ, the
> inventor of the famous "Screwdriver" antenna proved that to
> be a fact in
> his book about HF mobile antennas.
> 
> I think that the difference in your case would be that the
> addition of wires from the four corners of the top hat up to
> the top of
> the insulated vertical rod would become part of the top
> hat.? That is, they wouldn't been seen as a single
> vertical element
> above the hat, but rather a part of it, since they
> originate at the four corners and converge to a single point
> slightly above.
> 
> I have to agree with Alan Melia's comments about the
> downward wires coming from the top actually reducing some
> of
> the height of the main vertical mast/wire.? If you
> decide to try my suggestion, don't replace the insulated
> extension but
> only the insulated cord.? You could probably use the
> currently downward wires to create the top hat "growth" in
> area.
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr


From w1tag at charter.net  Mon Oct 18 07:56:02 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XR at Sunrise
Message-ID: <4CBC35D2.9060006@charter.net>

http://www.w1tag.com/files/XR-Sunrise.jpg

The signal cut out at 1055Z. That's very close to the halfway point 
between civil twilight at the two locations (1035Z and 1119Z). Perhaps 
that's when sunlight hits the mid-point of the path at the height of the 
D layer? Someone can do the math...

John, W1TAG

From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 08:40:24 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW?
Message-ID: <4CBC4038.1060508@gmail.com>

Overnight captures show traces on SIW's frequency.  Best signal just 
before sunrise:

http://www.w4dex.com/lf/lowfer/captures/xr/xr_17-18oct201000007.jpg

Dex

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 18 09:48:18 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:48:18 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW?
Message-ID: <4CBC5022.80700@sbcglobal.net>

Dex, yes, I'm sure that's my lowfer beacon. You apparently see sunrise 
enhancement like Jay.

Conditions weren't as good here over night as they have been. Nothing 
seen from either WMS or UWL while XR was in well as usual. On 507.4 kHz, 
QRSS10, VX9BDQ came through well most of the night. WD2XSH/6 and /7 were 
strong as usual around 495 kHz.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 13:04:30 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XR at Sunrise
In-Reply-To: <4CBC35D2.9060006@charter.net>
Message-ID: <658984.10799.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thank you John;  I appreciate you taking the time to look.
I am pleased with how steady the signal looks at your QTH.
At a distance of 798 Miles, yours is the most distant reception
so far this season. 73, and have a good day:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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--- On Mon, 10/18/10, John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net> wrote:

> From: John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net>
> Subject: [Lowfer] XR at Sunrise
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:56 AM
> http://www.w1tag.com/files/XR-Sunrise.jpg
> 
> The signal cut out at 1055Z. That's very close to the
> halfway point 
> between civil twilight at the two locations (1035Z and
> 1119Z). Perhaps 
> that's when sunlight hits the mid-point of the path at the
> height of the 
> D layer? Someone can do the math...
> 
> John, W1TAG
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 13:14:05 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " long distance groundwave reception 10-17-2010
Message-ID: <94543.39978.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Todd - WD4NGG put his receiving setup to the test on Sun. thru the
afternoon, and at a distance of 308 miles, and again, across the 
biggest bulk of the Smokey Mountains going in his direction; he was
getting traces of " XR " thru the afternoon. Dex gets me solid all
day at 210 miles, and I found out Sun. that " XR " is audible at
110 miles. Todds screen capture is viewable at:

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl?num=1287369411

73 all, and have a good day:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 17:34:15 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Top Hat wires now angled upward
Message-ID: <628386.28027.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

OK; I saw my mistake quite quickly with the 4 wires angleing down
to the mast. I shortened it by 5 feet electrically. So, upon the
advice of a few who understand antennas better than myself,I have
now put those 4 wires above the Top Hat, and tied them all together
at the top of the tensioning pipe, so the overall height above 
ground level is now 43 feet.

Thanks again for the help guys. I hope that's the last time I 
have to lay this antenna over ( wishful thinking ??? ) 


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 19:09:18 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Top Hat wires now angled upward
In-Reply-To: <628386.28027.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <628386.28027.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CBCD39E.2080107@gmail.com>

Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> I have
> now put those 4 wires above the Top Hat, and tied them all together
> at the top of the tensioning pipe, so the overall height above 
> ground level is now 43 feet.
So this is the result?

Dex

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 19:53:12 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Top Hat wires now angled upward
In-Reply-To: <4CBCD39E.2080107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <525735.12645.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

No attachment came thru on the reflector Dex.... 

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Top Hat wires now angled upward
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:09 PM
> Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> > I have
> > now put those 4 wires above the Top Hat, and tied them
> all together
> > at the top of the tensioning pipe, so the overall
> height above ground level is now 43 feet.
> So this is the result?
> 
> Dex
> 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 20:00:30 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] For the fun of it - running CW on " XR "
Message-ID: <266097.82790.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

Just for a little change, I'm running " XR " in CW mode for a little
while. Runing at 7 wpm with a continious repeating sequence. I'll
probably let it run thru the week...Same frequency as usual. I don't
think I'll bother anyone in the watering hole, HOW-EVER; if there
is a problem; I can change to my old beacon frequency of 184.322 KHz.

Kinda sounds pretty hearing it dit-n-dah-ing away thru the speaker.

If it makes it to anyone, thanks in advance for your reception report.

73 for now:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 23:17:08 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:17:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Testing a link
Message-ID: <391322.39977.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Oct 19 08:54:33 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:54:33 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] VX9BDQ overnight
Message-ID: <E725346E-2DFB-46FC-BCD7-E1F0D342C9A9@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Lowfers,

VX9BDQ on 507.400 kHz. was pretty solid into EN93dr overnight 19-20 Oct.  I've a few Argo captures
cropped down to a more manageable size if anyone would like visual confirmation.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 10:56:56 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Sample audio of " XR " in CW mode
Message-ID: <73189.67378.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

I recorded a couple of ID sequences and added then as background
on my website. You can hear the sequence at:

http://ku4xr.webs.com

If you have popup blockers, or running Win-XP; the notice will
come up telling you the website wants to run the windows media
core so that the embedded audio will play. It is totally safe to
allow it to do so, and the audio will play on its own.

In the event anyone tries to listen for the CW beacon, you;ll 
know what is being transmitted beforehand.

73, and have a good day:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 19:24:50 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Experiment with the law of diminishing return
Message-ID: <278413.72865.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi fellow lowFERs:

Well my OCD kicked in again today, and after dinner, I experimented
with running some extra ground wires. The first wire I connected
made a 5 Milli Amp increase in RF current. I connected an extension
wire to the end of one of the radials, and ran it about 20 feet over
to the service entrance. I clamped it to the service entrance ground
wire, and immediately saw the 5 Milli Amp increase in RF current.
The second wire didn't give but about maybe 2 extra Milli Amps.
I crawled underneath my mobile home and connected a wire to the 
grounding block on the mobile home frame, and then ran that out to
my radial system. It wasn't a big deal to do, and I considered the
extra 2 Milli Amps worth that effort. The next 2 wires that I ran;
I decided that the effort needed for a final job, would not be
worth the extra 4 to 5 Milli Amps that It looked like I could gain.
I laid 1 wire on the ground, and ran it about 100 feet to a power
pole on the far side of my property, and connected it to the poles
ground wire. I repeated the same effort going to the other side of
my property to another power pole about 100 feet away, and connected
the wire to the ground wire on the pole. this effort gave another
5 Milli Amps of RF current. BUT !! here's the law kicking in;
the first 2 wires gave 5 Milli Amps of increase and were only about
35 feet of wire. The next 2 wires gave an additional 5 Milli Amps
of RF current, but needed 200 feet of wire. In addition to the
200 feet of wire; it would have to be buried !!! and I can't 
justify all that effort to gain the extra 5 Milli Amps.....
So, I disconnected the long wires, rolled them up, and saved them
for another project. Overall; the couple of hours of experimenting
did result in a gain of 7 Milli Amps of RF current on the ammeter,
and I went from 150 up to 157 Milli Amps on peak. Some extra notes;
The transmitter seems to be happier now too... The tuning of the
Variometer is smooth, and when the transmitter keys; the ammeter
" JUMPS " up to its peak whereas before the extra grounding it was 
slow to climb, and kinda sluggish. 
I have a few more ground experiments I plan to try in the days
ahead to see if I can eeek out another few Milli Amps of RF...

73 all, and good lowFER-ing to you:
 

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Oct 19 23:11:08 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:11:08 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Faint signal 507.392
Message-ID: <607E49CC-9856-4EFC-AFD5-B2D3B95CCF5D@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Lowfers,

Is anyone else seeing a faint trace of a signal about 507.392 kHz. or so?  It's shown up here since 02:45 UTC, and is distinct
enough to suspect it may be a signal but I've not been able to discern any characters.  I'm running Argo QRSS10 for another
shot at bagging VX9BDQ overnight on 507.400 kHz..  The forecast mentions lightning possible tomorrow for us, but it's nice
and quiet at the moment, so a good evening/night for LF - MF DXing! 

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From jgibbs at infoserve.net  Tue Oct 19 23:43:51 2010
From: jgibbs at infoserve.net (John Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:43:51 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Faint signal 507.392
Message-ID: <4CBE6577.708@infoserve.net>

FYI  VX9BDQ started QRSS6 at 0330 UTC  507.400 kHz


73 John / VE7BDQ   (VX9BDQ)   CN89la



From hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 07:49:00 2010
From: hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com (Laurence KL7UK)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:49:00 -0800
Subject: [Lowfer] BDQ
In-Reply-To: <4CBE6577.708@infoserve.net>
References: <4CBE6577.708@infoserve.net>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W11ABB6D1B6EBCC4119AC68CF5C0@phx.gbl>


Good signals both into the AK and OK snappers at 1148Z John
 
Laurence KL7UK/5
 
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:43:51 -0700
> From: jgibbs at infoserve.net
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Lowfer] Faint signal 507.392
> 
> FYI VX9BDQ started QRSS6 at 0330 UTC 507.400 kHz
> 
> 
> 73 John / VE7BDQ (VX9BDQ) CN89la
> help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
 		 	   		  

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Wed Oct 20 09:08:09 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:08:09 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Faint signal 507.392
In-Reply-To: <4CBE6577.708@infoserve.net>
References: <4CBE6577.708@infoserve.net>
Message-ID: <7A6E6C6E-FFEB-4C84-A9DD-093E8A3971EC@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi John, Lowfers,

It wasn't you, as the signal was about 8 Hz. below where you had shown up the previous night.
I'll scan my Argo captures for you and see if I find one where both it and you are visible in the
same frame.  I'll post my captures of you directly since no attachments allowed here.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 14:40:28 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:40:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
Message-ID: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Hello the list,

         WD2XGJ will be operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours) 

        WE2XGR/1 will be operating in cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)

  Both should be on  for the next few nights.

Reports welcome

73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1

From k5wms at centurytel.net  Wed Oct 20 12:35:02 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:35:02 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] WMS on Ralphs grabber
Message-ID: <20101020123502.j8qc2245iwaokk8g@webmail2.centurytel.net>

WMS is showing up on Ralphs grabber at 11:00 am CDT(1600utc). First daylilgh copy I've seen in months. 

Power is not quite up to par, still have some work to do. Ant current is up but current to finals is low. Soil very dry, we are under burn ban for several weeks. Had some rain yesterday which may have improved signal. 

Its working Ralph. 

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu

From w5jgv at spectrotek.com  Wed Oct 20 15:38:32 2010
From: w5jgv at spectrotek.com (Ralph W5JGV)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] WMS on Ralph's grabber
In-Reply-To: <20101020123502.j8qc2245iwaokk8g@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHIEJAGLAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>

> WMS is showing up on Ralph's grabber at 11:00 am CDT(1600utc).
> First daylight copy I've seen in months.


Probably because my 600 Meter amplifier expired about 0900 today.

I won't have time to troubleshoot it for a day or to, and I have some other
things to do, such as rewire the ham HF setup and replace the loading coil
in my 600 Meter antenna system. As a result of the failure,  the Grabber
will be able to listen without being desensed by the 600 Meter signal.

Enjoy!

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Wed Oct 20 17:06:02 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
In-Reply-To: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <5DF06061-5222-4D53-8896-22FAF92C9F58@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Warren, Lowfers,

You are pounding in here as expected, even giving local MP a run for his money!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 17:12:37 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
In-Reply-To: <5DF06061-5222-4D53-8896-22FAF92C9F58@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
	<5DF06061-5222-4D53-8896-22FAF92C9F58@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <152ba720-b875-4c4d-83f0-7a5604d05e6e@blur>

Thanks JB!


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp;	UK) and MedFer bands"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 21:06:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw

Hello Warren, Lowfers,

You are pounding in here as expected, even giving local MP a run for his  
money!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr





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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 17:40:54 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:40:54 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
In-Reply-To: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik35=_vxGYqh2t-p93cMrCDtBcK-GiEd-8P6Hw3@mail.gmail.com>

XGJ doing OK very nice
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/xgj.jpg

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM,  <k2ors at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hello the list,
>
> ? ? ? ? WD2XGJ will be operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours)
>
> ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1 will be operating in cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)
>
> ?Both should be on ?for the next few nights.
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 18:38:25 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik35=_vxGYqh2t-p93cMrCDtBcK-GiEd-8P6Hw3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
	<AANLkTik35=_vxGYqh2t-p93cMrCDtBcK-GiEd-8P6Hw3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <279c1a9d-eab3-4689-bb2f-6cee647f8dc7@blur>

Tnx Lloyd!


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: lloyd chastant <lloydc6 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp,	UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 21:40:54 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw

XGJ doing OK very nice
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/xgj.jpg

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM,  <k2ors at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hello the list,
>
> ? ? ? ? WD2XGJ will be operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours)
>
> ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1 will be operating in cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)
>
> ?Both should be on ?for the next few nights.
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 19:56:56 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:56:56 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
In-Reply-To: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5cAYTycvjO7JPg8BzmwB345jg_KN+r47yKepA@mail.gmail.com>

A bit noisy tonite but copy xgr CW pretty good
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/xgr.jpg

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM,  <k2ors at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hello the list,
>
> ? ? ? ? WD2XGJ will be operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours)
>
> ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1 will be operating in cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)
>
> ?Both should be on ?for the next few nights.
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
> ______________________________________________________________
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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 20 20:42:14 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:42:14 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
In-Reply-To: <5DF06061-5222-4D53-8896-22FAF92C9F58@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <1215946641.613186.1287600028411.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>
	<5DF06061-5222-4D53-8896-22FAF92C9F58@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP87A16B9737098F25F58582E95D0@phx.gbl>

Oh Oh - better get the Tesla transmitter warmed up !

M P
On 2010-10-20, at 5:06 PM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:

> Hello Warren, Lowfers,
> 
> You are pounding in here as expected, even giving local MP a run for his money!
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 22:47:55 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] LF Ground wave, possibly super DX
Message-ID: <473475.24073.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

" XR " is running an experiment with Todd - WD4NGG in Hilton Head, SC
I am sending the letter " S " in QRSS-180 with a 7 minute pause between
transmissions. Todd will be looking at the signal thru the daytime to
see if it hold in by groundwave thru the day. Of course, at this slow 
rate, anyone way off in the distance is welcome to look for the signal,
and any reports are appreciated.

73 to all, and Good lowFER-ing :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 21 02:23:13 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:23:13 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
In-Reply-To: <177226.86183.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <177226.86183.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1B72DCDF9A284DEFB3700B7DBFF69846@LeePC>

Andy's experiment watching total antenna current flow as he added a few 
radials got me thinking and wondering about something.  Maybe some on here 
have the answer.

I realize if you add some ground radials to an antenna having few if any 
radials, you radiate more signal in the direction of the few radials.  (plus 
or minus a few degrees).  Your efficiency increases.  However, do you also 
increase signal in directions of the compass you have not placed radials? 
In other words, when you add a few radials to one with few to begin with and 
antenna current rises as you do this, do you get any increase of signal in 
directions other the the directions of the new radials?  I'm not sure if the 
extra power is distributed in all directions or mostly or only in the 
direction of these new radials.  (When Andy raised his current 5 ma, did the 
extra signal produced from the extra 5 ma go mostly or all in the direction 
of his new radial or some of it in the other directions too)?

The reason I ask is,  I am fighting trying to get my antenna up.  Putting 
radials to the South  and West won't be a problem.  Going to the East, they 
can't be very long, and to the North almost impossible to have any.  I live 
near Houston, Texas.  If my signal will travel mostly South into the Gulf of 
Mexico or Mexico, who is going to copy my signal?  If I add a bunch of 
radials to my antenna to the South,  am I just pumping all the extra signal 
produced to the South, which won't help a bit?  I think most listeners would 
be North and East of me.

Lee, w0vt 


From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Oct 21 09:11:30 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:11:30 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XGJ mid-morning
Message-ID: <1A9211ED-86B6-468F-85FC-30BF23A0A7C4@hurontel.on.ca>


Hello Warren, Lowfers,

XGJ is still pounding into EN93dr at 09:00 EDT in a neck-in-neck battle with MP for signal strength!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 21 09:12:08 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] XGJ and XR
Message-ID: <4CC03C28.9080004@sbcglobal.net>

The lightning map at http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html only 
showed activity far away in AZ/NM last night but it was pretty noisy in 
NE IL. Nonetheless, XGJ came through well with reduced power on 137.7798 
kHz, QRSS60, slow, 0300Z-0430Z. MP was in there weakly as well at 137.38 
kHz.

Moving to the lowfer watering hole, only XR was found sending "S" with 3 
minute dits on 185.2986 kHz along with local SIW at 185.2993 kHz. Andy, 
if your transmitter can take it and the frequency is sufficiently stable 
perhaps you can send the character "O" instead at QRSS-180. That will 
result in 9 minute integration periods for each dash. The ARGO software 
I have doesn't have a choice slower than QRSS120, but Spectrum 
Laboratory can handle almost anything.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Oct 21 09:18:10 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:18:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
In-Reply-To: <1B72DCDF9A284DEFB3700B7DBFF69846@LeePC>
References: <177226.86183.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<1B72DCDF9A284DEFB3700B7DBFF69846@LeePC>
Message-ID: <50B6E6A2-2EB9-4332-A322-7650F62D6A64@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Lee, Lowfers,

My own findings with beacon EAR is that I've not noticed any favouritism in reception reports.  My antenna-radial
system is basically a capital H laid on its side, with the two radials directly beneath the antenna.  The ends are in
an NE-SW orientation, yet I've had good reports from stations broadside to it.  There you go for what it's worth.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Oct 21 11:15:04 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:15:04 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
Message-ID: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Lowfers,

At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren coming out the victor while Mitch
has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle stuff, this propagation business!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 11:23:19 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
In-Reply-To: <50B6E6A2-2EB9-4332-A322-7650F62D6A64@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <825723.59420.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Lee, And lowFERs:

First the BIG DISCLAIMER: I am not an antenna engineer !!! I am an
experimenter... some like that, and some don't. I don't crunch the
numbers, BUT !!! those numbers are absolutley necessary, because it's
the antenna theory that the qualified engineers have used over the 
years to develop antenna systems with great efficiency. For my part;
this is a hobby, as it should be. I read a lot, understand some of it,
and some I don't. I'll leave the theory, and number crunching to the
guys who really understand it.

Now, my comment on the radials. I see the same thing that J.B. said,
signal radiation is not affected by my radial system as far as the
direction of strongest radiation. I only have radials laid out in a
180 degree pattern, covering the NE, to SW directions, and that's
mainly because there's no need to run them underneath my mobile home.
The greatest benefit from the radial system is to lower the losses
from earth resistance as much as you can, because that is where the
biggest loss is at in a lowFER vertical antenna setup. Loops are of
course the exception, operating without the need for radials.
You will see a noticable directional enhancement effect with the 
radial system when the radials approach 1/4th wavelength at the 
operating frequency. It's very easy to see that we get no where
close to that length with our radials.

73, and have a good day:

BTW; I noticed a very slight hint of my signal on Ralphs grabber
around  1:53 to 1:54 UTC which would be 8:53 am his local time.
That's still close enough to early morning that some skywave
could be present, but it is in there during daylight, even though
it's only a blip on the radar screen... Note #2; I have no radials
going in that direction either..


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Thu, 10/21/10, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca> wrote:

> From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:18 AM
> Hello Lee, Lowfers,
> 
> My own findings with beacon EAR is that I've not noticed
> any favouritism in reception reports.? My
> antenna-radial
> system is basically a capital H laid on its side, with the
> two radials directly beneath the antenna.? The ends are
> in
> an NE-SW orientation, yet I've had good reports from
> stations broadside to it.? There you go for what it's
> worth.
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct 21 11:36:23 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:36:23 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <668b097c-872b-43db-937a-36b0adcfec00@blur>

Tnx JB and Harry for the reports!
,,

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
To: "&amp; UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 15:15:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Hello Lowfers,

At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren  
coming out the victor while Mitch
has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle  
stuff, this propagation business!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr





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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Thu Oct 21 11:39:57 2010
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:39:57 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
Message-ID: <20101021.113958.4052.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com>

Andy 

FYI 

I have 60 radials down for my 160 meter L
If you relate antenna efficiency to band width
I noticed in order to see a change I had to double the radial
count,, going from 10 to 12 couldnt see much change had tp
go to 20 to see a difference

This is just empirical observations, The wires are all short 40 +- feet
and ran in only a 180 ^ direction but that was my feeling as I added them

Bob K3DJC 


On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
writes:
> Hi Lee, And lowFERs:
> 
> First the BIG DISCLAIMER: I am not an antenna engineer !!! I am an
> experimenter... some like that, and some don't. I don't crunch the
> numbers, BUT !!! those numbers are absolutley necessary, because 
> it's
> the antenna theory that the qualified engineers have used over the 
> years to develop antenna systems with great efficiency. For my 
> part;
> this is a hobby, as it should be. I read a lot, understand some of 
> it,
> and some I don't. I'll leave the theory, and number crunching to 
> the
> guys who really understand it.
> 
> Now, my comment on the radials. I see the same thing that J.B. 
> said,
> signal radiation is not affected by my radial system as far as the
> direction of strongest radiation. I only have radials laid out in a
> 180 degree pattern, covering the NE, to SW directions, and that's
> mainly because there's no need to run them underneath my mobile 
> home.
> The greatest benefit from the radial system is to lower the losses
> from earth resistance as much as you can, because that is where the
> biggest loss is at in a lowFER vertical antenna setup. Loops are of
> course the exception, operating without the need for radials.
> You will see a noticable directional enhancement effect with the 
> radial system when the radials approach 1/4th wavelength at the 
> operating frequency. It's very easy to see that we get no where
> close to that length with our radials.
> 
> 73, and have a good day:
> 
> BTW; I noticed a very slight hint of my signal on Ralphs grabber
> around  1:53 to 1:54 UTC which would be 8:53 am his local time.
> That's still close enough to early morning that some skywave
> could be present, but it is in there during daylight, even though
> it's only a blip on the radar screen... Note #2; I have no radials
> going in that direction either..
> 
> 
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
> 
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> 
> http://ku4xr.webs.com
> 
> http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl
> 
> *** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***
> 
> http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca> 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
> > To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer 
> bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:18 AM
> > Hello Lee, Lowfers,
> > 
> > My own findings with beacon EAR is that I've not noticed
> > any favouritism in reception reports.  My
> > antenna-radial
> > system is basically a capital H laid on its side, with the
> > two radials directly beneath the antenna.  The ends are
> > in
> > an NE-SW orientation, yet I've had good reports from
> > stations broadside to it.  There you go for what it's
> > worth.
> > 
> > 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> > 
> > LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> > 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> > EN93dr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Lowfer mailing list
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct 21 11:57:54 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:57:54 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <668b097c-872b-43db-937a-36b0adcfec00@blur>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
	<668b097c-872b-43db-937a-36b0adcfec00@blur>
Message-ID: <4d5e5ea9-d43d-4f8a-bbf7-70c30be52a9c@blur>

Oops Harry not Harry!


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: "k2ors at verizon.net" <k2ors at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer \\(US, European, &amp;	UK\\) and MedFer bands"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Tnx JB and Harry for the reports!
,,

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
To: "&amp; UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 15:15:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Hello Lowfers,

At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren  
coming out the victor while Mitch
has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle  
stuff, this propagation business!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr





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From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct 21 12:07:23 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:07:23 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <4d5e5ea9-d43d-4f8a-bbf7-70c30be52a9c@blur>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
	<668b097c-872b-43db-937a-36b0adcfec00@blur>
	<4d5e5ea9-d43d-4f8a-bbf7-70c30be52a9c@blur>
Message-ID: <4b678f0c-4003-4ba2-ac36-0ba5476c4224@blur>

This droid won't let me type G a r r y
SORRY!


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-----Original message-----
From: "k2ors at verizon.net" <k2ors at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer \\(US, European, &amp;	UK\\) and MedFer bands"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 15:57:54 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Oops Harry not Harry!


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-----Original message-----
From: "k2ors at verizon.net" <k2ors at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer \\(US, European, &amp;	UK\\) and MedFer bands"  
 
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Tnx JB and Harry for the reports!
,,

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
To: "&amp; UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 15:15:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Hello Lowfers,

At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren  
coming out the victor while Mitch
has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle  
stuff, this propagation business!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr





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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 12:14:42 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
In-Reply-To: <20101021.113958.4052.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <694331.98483.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I think you are correct in your observations Riese. The same theory
of " doubling " to obtain a 3dB gain applies to the ground radial
system, just the same as it does to a wire Top Hat. But again, the
biggest advantage of the radial system in a lowFER vertical is to
try to lower the resistance that the antenna see's from the earth 
beneath it.An antenna has to be doubled in size ( area covered ) 
to gain the supposed 3dB extra gain. So, it's I suppose all about 
" doubling " then. To get extra gain in whatever sense you are 
working on; you'll need to double what already exists. 
>From 4 to 8, from 8 to 16, from 16 to 32, and so on... this is where 
the law of diminishing returns starts to kick in. You will reach a 
point where it becomes too expensive, too large, or too whatever to
warrant the effort. 

73:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Thu, 10/21/10, riese-k3djc at juno.com <riese-k3djc at juno.com> wrote:

> From: riese-k3djc at juno.com <riese-k3djc at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:39 AM
> Andy 
> 
> FYI 
> 
> I have 60 radials down for my 160 meter L
> If you relate antenna efficiency to band width
> I noticed in order to see a change I had to double the
> radial
> count,, going from 10 to 12 couldnt see much change had tp
> go to 20 to see a difference
> 
> This is just empirical observations, The wires are all
> short 40 +- feet
> and ran in only a 180 ^ direction but that was my feeling
> as I added them
> 
> Bob K3DJC 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Andy - KU4XR
> <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > Hi Lee, And lowFERs:
> > 
> > First the BIG DISCLAIMER: I am not an antenna engineer
> !!! I am an
> > experimenter... some like that, and some don't. I
> don't crunch the
> > numbers, BUT !!! those numbers are absolutley
> necessary, because 
> > it's
> > the antenna theory that the qualified engineers have
> used over the 
> > years to develop antenna systems with great
> efficiency. For my 
> > part;
> > this is a hobby, as it should be. I read a lot,
> understand some of 
> > it,
> > and some I don't. I'll leave the theory, and number
> crunching to 
> > the
> > guys who really understand it.
> > 
> > Now, my comment on the radials. I see the same thing
> that J.B. 
> > said,
> > signal radiation is not affected by my radial system
> as far as the
> > direction of strongest radiation. I only have radials
> laid out in a
> > 180 degree pattern, covering the NE, to SW directions,
> and that's
> > mainly because there's no need to run them underneath
> my mobile 
> > home.
> > The greatest benefit from the radial system is to
> lower the losses
> > from earth resistance as much as you can, because that
> is where the
> > biggest loss is at in a lowFER vertical antenna setup.
> Loops are of
> > course the exception, operating without the need for
> radials.
> > You will see a noticable directional enhancement
> effect with the 
> > radial system when the radials approach 1/4th
> wavelength at the 
> > operating frequency. It's very easy to see that we get
> no where
> > close to that length with our radials.
> > 
> > 73, and have a good day:
> > 
> > BTW; I noticed a very slight hint of my signal on
> Ralphs grabber
> > around? 1:53 to 1:54 UTC which would be 8:53 am
> his local time.
> > That's still close enough to early morning that some
> skywave
> > could be present, but it is in there during daylight,
> even though
> > it's only a blip on the radar screen... Note #2; I
> have no radials
> > going in that direction either..
> > 
> > 
> > Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> > LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> > Coordinates:? N:? 35? 43' 54" - W:?
> 84? 3' 16"
> > 
> > http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
> > 
> > http://ku4xr.webs.com
> > 
> > http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl
> > 
> > *** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***
> > 
> > http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 10/21/10, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
> > > Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Overall Antenna Efficiency
> > > To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European,
> & UK) and MedFer 
> > bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> > > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:18 AM
> > > Hello Lee, Lowfers,
> > > 
> > > My own findings with beacon EAR is that I've not
> noticed
> > > any favouritism in reception reports.? My
> > > antenna-radial
> > > system is basically a capital H laid on its side,
> with the
> > > two radials directly beneath the antenna.?
> The ends are
> > > in
> > > an NE-SW orientation, yet I've had good reports
> from
> > > stations broadside to it.? There you go for
> what it's
> > > worth.
> > > 
> > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> > > 
> > > LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> > > 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> > > EN93dr
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> ______________________________________________________________
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From alan.melia at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 21 12:51:28 2010
From: alan.melia at btinternet.com (Alan Melia)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:51:28 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] re Overall antenna efficiency
Message-ID: <000d01cb7140$40e312a0$4001a8c0@lark>

Hi all....look out Alan is mounting his hobby-horse again :-))

First I would support JB..... the direction of radials that are so short
(compared with the wavelength) would have not difference to the radiated
azimuthal pattern...........unless by some quirk of fate you manage to
couple into some buried pipes or cables that run of site and are a lot
longer.

The advantage of "radials" ....at this length ground wires is a better term
is very dependent on you local ground. Whilst watching the antenna current
is a useful guide the best way to do the test is with a simple aerial bridge
where you measure the loss resistance. The radiation resistance is so small
it is swamped. This is why it is 'dangerous' to extrapolate from 160m. LF is
a decade away and we all know there can be quite a difference in the way
things perform over that kind of range.

The problem with monitoring the antenna current is that you dont really know
why it changed ....hopefully the loss resistance dropped but the figure
quoted suggest that the improvement if it all went into radiation was about
0.5dB or 10%. But did the tuning change and cause the PA to run more power,
has the antenna just got a lower feed impedance? Is the extra current
traversing the radiation resistance. To get real advantage you need to be
looking for more than that.....but it might now be attainable within your
local contraints.

The best test is to establish a test location about a mile away and make a
strength reading there. If the received strength has increased then you have
made an improvement (assuming your measuring gear is stable)

Above all make sure you use your effort efficiently because it is easy to
get discouraged by going round in circles trying to replicate someone else's
results which may not be applicable to your location, get fed-up and leave
the band. But as Andy has found out there are lots of things to learn and
lots of fun to be had learning them.

Alan G3NYK


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 15:28:52 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:28:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] re Overall antenna efficiency
In-Reply-To: <000d01cb7140$40e312a0$4001a8c0@lark>
Message-ID: <549805.14381.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Alan Melia <alan.melia at btinternet.com> wrote:

> The problem with monitoring the antenna current is that you
> dont really know why it changed ....hopefully the loss resistance 
> dropped but the figure quoted suggest that the improvement if it 
> all went into radiation was about 0.5dB or 10%. But did the tuning 
> change and cause the PA to run more power, has the antenna just 
> got a lower feed impedance? Is the extra current traversing the
> radiation resistance. To get real advantage you need to be
> looking for more than that.....but it might now be attainable 
> within your local contraints.

*** But, did the tuning change ****

Alan, thank you for your comments, as always very helpful.. This is
twice now that I have seen that question about the tuning changing
after an alteration in the antenna setup. I want to tell what I
saw here, even though I can't explain it theoretically... In a 
previous experiment, some may remember that I ran some wires angling
downward from the tip of the top hat to the mast, about 5 feet down.
It was recommended that I move them from the mast to the top of the
antenna and connect them to the 3 foot tensioning pipe. I did, and
it made no difference in anything. No extra OR less current, no
change in the tuning... Now; commenting on the connection of one of
the radials to the service entrance ground connection; That DID !! 
cause a change in tuning. Here's what I saw: I tuned, and peaked the
transmitter before connecting the new ground lead. I use 25 volts DC
on the PA, and set it at 40 Milli Amps of current for 1 Watt Input.
This generated 150 Milli Amps of RF current showing on the ammeter.
AFTER connecting to the power company ground at the pole; I checked
the transmitter, and the PA current had dropped to , if I remember
correctly, around 38.7 Milli Amps maybe, and I honestly don't
remember what the RF current was reading. But after Re-Tuning 
everything. ie: getting the voltage to read 25 volts at 40 Milli Amps
and the antenna current peaked with the transmitter generating the
1 Watt Input; I now had 155 Milli Amps showing on the RF ammeter.

So; before the new ground connection; 25 V @ 40 mA = 150 mA of RF " I "
After the new ground connection; 25 V @ 40 mA = 155 mA of RF " I " 
And the answer to the question; " did the tuning change " is YES, it did.

As Alan mentioned in his post; I don't know what parameter changed to
cause the rise in antenna current, My hope is that the earth resistance
went down, because that is what I was working on was the earth ground.
No alterations were made to the antenna itself, so the change came from
altering something in the earth part of the antenna setup.

And, as has been said; ( if I had the equipment to do so ) Far Field
measurements of the signal would tell the truth about any alterations
in the system, beneficial, or not.

73 Gents :


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 15:52:33 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:52:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XGJ and XR
In-Reply-To: <4CC03C28.9080004@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <276565.69812.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Andy, 
> if your transmitter can take it and the frequency is sufficiently 
> stable perhaps you can send the character "O" instead at QRSS-180.
> That will result in 9 minute integration periods for each dash. 
______________________________________________

Hi Garry: Hope you're having a good day ?? The reason I am sending
the " S " is because my keyer will only go to QRSS-60, so an " O "
at QRSS-60 will be an " S " at QRSS-180 speed. Plus for the nostalgia
of it; as Todd mentioned to me; " S " is the letter that Marconi sent
across the ocean in his history making transmission. 
Todd has his receiver running all day today to see if the traces of 
my signal are there throughout the entire day at 308 miles distance.
Trying to establish the fact that it is really groundwave that he
was seeing the other day around 4:30 in the afternoon. He should be
posting his findings later this evening, and I am looking forward
to seeing what he found. 
_______________________________________________


> The ARGO software I have doesn't have a choice slower than QRSS120, 
> but Spectrum Laboratory can handle almost anything.
_________________________________________________

ARGO at QRSS-120 slow scroll rate shows the 3 minute dits very small
so that should work out fine. Plus; it's surprising what SPECTRAN
can do. Even though it only shows a pre-set QRSS-30 mode, it does 
have a speed control that will slow the scroll rate down to where an 
entire screen can take 3 hours, and the screen definition is good to.
Fully adjustable for any resolution you desire.
Spectrum Laboratory ?? It would be hard to beat it with a big stick !!


73, and good DX-ing to you:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 21 16:23:34 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SIW daytime
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8149745B6AABBC32D977B6E95D0@phx.gbl>

Started checking for XR and his "QRSS120" from midday. Nothing showing yet - present time 4:25 EDT. (2025Z)
However - SIW has been constant - with major peak just after 1 PM EDT  (1700Z ) and constant since that time.


M P

From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct 21 17:15:53 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:15:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ 137.7798 QRSS and WE2XGR/1 506.3 cw
Message-ID: <1025988795.201560.1287695753181.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>

Tnx Lloyd for the XGR cw report and capture.

WE2XGR/1 will be on again after 530 PM EDT 506.3

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 20, 2010 07:57:03 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

===========================================

A bit noisy tonite but copy xgr CW pretty good
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/xgr.jpg

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM,   wrote:
> Hello the list,
>
> ? ? ? ? WD2XGJ will be operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours)
>
> ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1 will be operating in cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)
>
> ?Both should be on ?for the next few nights.
>
> Reports welcome
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 20:29:46 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:29:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Groundwave experiment - XR to WD4NGG
Message-ID: <694754.94336.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:  Here is Todd's report on the lowFER groundwave experiment:
_____________________________________________________________________

Hi Andy,
I got home from work and checked the ARGO screen captures for the day.
 
It looks like there was a sharp dropoff in signal as usual around 
7:15AM EDT my time or right around sunrise. I see it looks like QRSS120
held on to your signal a bit longer than QRSS60 does around sunrise.
 
It looks like the band recovered a bit a little later in the morning 
and copy was so-so up until around noon-1PM. Then by mid-afternoon I
pretty well lost your signal even on QRSS120, so it looks like it didn't
quite bring you up to solid copy all day long, but it held on to your
signal quite a bit longer than QRSS60 does.
 
I do know band conditions can change from day-to-day on extreme long-range
groundwave and can even change from hour-to-hour so it is possible on 
another day your signal might hold up most of the day, but we are not up
to 100% reliability yet.
 
Thanks for running the test and maybe with a few more tweaks we can get
a reliable groundwave signal out to 300 miles.
 
I have enclosed 3 screenshots of XR for today on QRSS120 ARGO.
73 - Todd
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

View the screen shots at:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=10219426

73 all, and good lowFER-ing:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Thu Oct 21 21:35:44 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>

Bruce:
I thought I was okay on 780 - but won't bother competing with my 10 watts  at this time.
Did not understand that ORS had moved to the frequency now.
Will QRT for now.... thanks for the report.

Mitch
On 2010-10-21, at 11:15 AM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:

> Hello Lowfers,
> 
> At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren coming out the victor while Mitch
> has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle stuff, this propagation business!
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From esmithmail at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 21:46:50 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
	<BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8707140153647369040@unknownmsgid>

Mitch, I used to operate very close to you and Mike -- I was at 780.7.
 Is that frequency still "open"?  I'd sure slime to get back at it.
Currently only in need of a loading coil...

Eric KD5UWL

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Bruce:
> I thought I was okay on 780 - but won't bother competing with my 10 watts  at this time.
> Did not understand that ORS had moved to the frequency now.
> Will QRT for now.... thanks for the report.
>
> Mitch
> On 2010-10-21, at 11:15 AM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:
>
>> Hello Lowfers,
>>
>> At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren coming out the victor while Mitch
>> has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle stuff, this propagation business!
>>
>> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
>>
>> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
>> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
>> EN93dr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Thu Oct 21 22:19:44 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:19:44 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
	<BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a1640f7a-59ab-4d11-907b-a02482c8d311@blur>

Mitch,
      I haven't moved, still on 137.7798 as I have been for the past 6  
years.
73 K2ORS
WD2XGJ


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer \\(US, European, &amp;	UK\\) and MedFer bands"  
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 22, 2010 01:35:44 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ

Bruce:
I thought I was okay on 780 - but won't bother competing with my 10 watts   
at this time.
Did not understand that ORS had moved to the frequency now.
Will QRT for now.... thanks for the report.

Mitch
On 2010-10-21, at 11:15 AM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:

> Hello Lowfers,
> 
> At 11:00 EDT the battle of signal strength between MP and XGJ has Warren  
coming out the victor while Mitch
> has all but disappeared, despite being only 60 miles from here!  Strangle  
stuff, this propagation business!
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 22:51:01 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " back in QRSS-60
Message-ID: <915219.56062.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I am back in QRSS-60 sending the usual " XR "... With the recent 
changes to the grounding system, and the questioning as to whether
or not it actually benefited; any reception reports will be appreciated,
especially if you do happen to notice a change in the signal level,
mainly, much weaker.... Nothing has been done that can't be un-done.

73 to all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Oct 21 23:10:40 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] MP vs XGJ
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>
References: <25EF67CE-2B20-409F-8AA4-602A6084374B@hurontel.on.ca>
	<BLU0-SMTP885D2937726D8FEBF9AEA9E95E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <68AC786C-1ABD-45CC-95F4-F9049FAA3E66@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Mitch, Lowfers,

You are fine on 780.  I was running SpecLab and you where nicely separated from Warren, but what I
found interesting was that when you had pretty much vanished by around 11:00 local, XGJ was still
very strong.  I thought for sure that you being virtually "next door"  to me, your signal would prevail
over Warren's.  Please don't QRT over my not making things clear in my posting.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Oct 22 09:04:18 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:04:18 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] VX9BDQ
Message-ID: <82E5C5FC-033A-462B-9F62-129A892C6A24@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Lowfers,

For the third night this week, I've had solid captures of VX9BDQ on 507.400 kHz.  Propagation across 2/3rds. of
the continent have been pretty good of late, showing promise for the winter months coming soon.  I've sent the
captures to John directly, but if anyone wants to see them let me know.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 22 09:21:37 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Groundwave experiment - XR to WD4NGG
Message-ID: <4CC18FE1.1010805@sbcglobal.net>

Andy and Todd,

Perhaps the reason Todd doesn't copy your beacon the entire daylight 
period is related to your terrain, which is mountainous, at least over 
some of the path. I normally copy EAR and MP (when it was at the 
watering hole) all day here using QRSS30, slow and an e-probe antenna. 
Apparently, Mitch (MP) copies my beacon on the reverse path also. The 
path lengths are 575 and 597 km, respectively, but they're over a fair 
amount of water and no "mountains".

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 22 11:03:33 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:03:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Groundwave experiment - XR to WD4NGG
In-Reply-To: <4CC18FE1.1010805@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <377078.34028.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Garry; I tend to agree with you. The overland path attenuation is
very high between Todd and myself. The bearing shows my signal having 
to cross the largest land mass of the Smokey Mountains of any direction
to the East, and South East directions. The bearing between Dex and 
myself also crosses the mountains, but not nearly as much land mass
in both situations; distance - 210 miles, and mountain terrain. So
Dex copies me in QRSS at any time of the day.



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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--- On Fri, 10/22/10, Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Groundwave experiment - XR to WD4NGG
>
> Andy and Todd,
> 
> Perhaps the reason Todd doesn't copy your beacon the entire
> daylight period is related to your terrain, which is mountainous, 
> at least over some of the path. I normally copy EAR and MP 
> (when it was at the watering hole) all day here using QRSS30, slow 
> and an e-probe antenna. Apparently, Mitch (MP) copies my beacon on 
> the reverse path also. The path lengths are 575 and 597 km,
> respectively, but they're over a fair amount of water and no 
> "mountains".
> 
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
> ______________________________________________________________


From ku7zdn41 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 12:46:41 2010
From: ku7zdn41 at gmail.com (Mark Ku7z)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:46:41 -0600
Subject: [Lowfer] Spectrum Lab question
Message-ID: <4CC1BFF1.40102@gmail.com>


Does anyone have a .usr file for Spectrum Lab that sets it up like 
Argo?  I can get the QRSS settings to run but would like to get to run 
like Argo in CW mode.  But not as a tape reader.  From there as a 
starting point I can try more settings.

Thanks, Mark



From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 10:00:12 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 07:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " copied in CW mode
Message-ID: <792204.54147.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I was excited to get this email from Doug - KB4OER this morning:
                            " QUOTE "

Ok, sun is up now and QRN has quieted down. I can clearly hear your
beacon, though it is very faint. I can easily make out the CW ID,
though having a CQ QSO would still be difficult due to the faintness
of the signal.

Here are a couple of screen captures of your beacon in CW mode. This
is the "full band view" setting on Argo. As you can see, I have a
500Hz CW filter in place. The signal at 700Hz is a PLC, your beacon is
at 800Hz and you can make out the ID on the screen captures.

I'll listen again today when I get back home from helping my nephew
and perhaps I can record a sound sample for you.

73,
Doug
_______________________________________________

Doug is in Watauga, TN. 110 miles away, and the biggest majority of
land mass in this area of the country is mountainous. I'm looking 
forward to an audio sample of the signal.

73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 13:14:06 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:14:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ Good Copy High Noon At 872 Miles Distance
Message-ID: <75dcd.1d0e549d.39f471de@aol.com>

Hi Warren,
Seeing a good signal Saturday  daytime  from WD2XGJ on 137.779.8 KHz.
ARGO screen set up for  QRSS60-slow.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/32051022/view/WD2XGJHighNoon.jpg


73  - Todd WD4NGG


Hello the  list,

WD2XGJ will be  operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours) 
 

WE2XGR/1 will be operating in  cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)

Both should be on   for the next few nights.

Reports welcome

73 Warren  K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1  


From k2ors at verizon.net  Sat Oct 23 13:35:42 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:35:42 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ Good Copy High Noon At 872 Miles Distance
In-Reply-To: <75dcd.1d0e549d.39f471de@aol.com>
References: <75dcd.1d0e549d.39f471de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a97509fd-84f8-4cf9-a690-92e6524fdbf7@blur>

Tnx Todd, running 250 watts 
73 Warren K2ORS


Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com
To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 23, 2010 17:14:06 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ Good Copy High Noon At 872 Miles Distance

Hi Warren,
Seeing a good signal Saturday  daytime  from WD2XGJ on 137.779.8 KHz.
ARGO screen set up for  QRSS60-slow.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/32051022/view/WD2XGJHighNoon.jpg


73  - Todd WD4NGG


Hello the  list,

WD2XGJ will be  operating QRSS 60 on 137.7798 with reduced power (24 Hours) 
 

WE2XGR/1 will be operating in  cw beacon mode on 506.3 (Darkness only)

Both should be on   for the next few nights.

Reports welcome

73 Warren  K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1  

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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 13:45:33 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:45:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Fw:  WD2XGJ Good Copy High Noon At 872 Miles Distance
Message-ID: <7716d.2b105b94.39f4793d@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/23/2010 1:41:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
k2ors at verizon.net writes:

Tnx Todd,
Running 250 watts.
73 Warren K2ORS
 
Hi Warren, 
You rig and antenna are doing a great job for 250 watts daytime!
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 22:09:09 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:09:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A short Audio/Video clip of " XR " received by KB4OER
Message-ID: <878682.18089.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all:  for anyone interested, here is the link to an Audio/Video 
file. The audio is from Doug - KB4OER recorded off air at his QTH
in Watauga, TN. Just click the play button when on the page.

http://ku4xr.webs.com/audioclipsandvideos.htm

73 :

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 22:47:48 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:47:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A short Audio/Video clip of " XR " received by KB4OER
Message-ID: <3ff9c.56ff04a3.39f4f854@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/23/2010 10:09:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ku4xr at yahoo.com writes:

Hi all:  for anyone interested, here is the link to an Audio/Video  
file. The audio is from Doug - KB4OER recorded off air at his QTH
in  Watauga, TN. Just click the play button when on the  page.

http://ku4xr.webs.com/audioclipsandvideos.htm

73  :

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @  185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:   84? 3' 16"
 
 
Hi Andy,
How about just an audio clip for those of us who don't
have a high speed line?
Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 22:54:52 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:54:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A short Audio/Video clip of " XR " received by KB4OER
Message-ID: <40242.692e2420.39f4f9fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/23/2010 10:48:00 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com writes:
In a message dated  10/23/2010 10:09:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ku4xr at yahoo.com  writes:

Hi all:  for anyone interested, here is the link to an  Audio/Video  
file. The audio is from Doug - KB4OER recorded off air at  his QTH
in  Watauga, TN. Just click the play button when on the   page.

http://ku4xr.webs.com/audioclipsandvideos.htm

73   :

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR "  @  185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" -  W:   84? 3' 16"  

Hi Andy,
I see it is mostly an audio clip with some text added, neat.
I can definitely hear "XR" come through the audio 
filtering.
 
Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 22:57:51 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A short Audio/Video clip of " XR " received by KB4OER
In-Reply-To: <3ff9c.56ff04a3.39f4f854@aol.com>
Message-ID: <441968.9475.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/23/10, ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Andy,
> How about just an audio clip for those of us who don't
> have a high speed line?
> Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG
_____________________________________

Hey Todd; Actually that is what I would prefer, but webs.com only
lets you upload videos as a clickable option. The only other way
is to put the audio as background music.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm




From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 23:13:44 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Antenna pre-amp circuit using the 2SK125
Message-ID: <113479.95561.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Because I have a few of them on hand, and I don't have any J310's
Does anyone have an antenna pre-amp circuit for LF use designed 
around the 2SK125's ?? If you do, and will share it with me;
Thank you:

73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 24 08:42:08 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SAQ in CT
Message-ID: <002e01cb7378$df49b310$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Good copy of SAQ transmission this morning. Receiving setup: modified Amrad e probe > LNA > Delta 44 
 > Winrad > Cooledit. Receiver running ~500 Hz bandwidth.

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/SAQ102410.wav

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 


From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 14:54:10 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:54:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=mmDnRPV2QowG-e9_LVMWgN2ucx98_FgM0ARa5@mail.gmail.com>

Solid copy this afternoon on WD2XGJ. Can anyone point me to a web page
or contact info for this experimental station? I suppose I should have
set Argo on QRSS60 "slow" in order to see the entire callsign on one
screen...

Doug - KB4OER

From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 15:00:53 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=mmDnRPV2QowG-e9_LVMWgN2ucx98_FgM0ARa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=mmDnRPV2QowG-e9_LVMWgN2ucx98_FgM0ARa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=CVY-d+jQOffXwp1wDJD6egtVkzvqLbzTyySXk@mail.gmail.com>

Oh....here's a screenshot. ;-)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/cap00007.jpg

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Solid copy this afternoon on WD2XGJ. Can anyone point me to a web page
> or contact info for this experimental station? I suppose I should have
> set Argo on QRSS60 "slow" in order to see the entire callsign on one
> screen...
>
> Doug - KB4OER
>

From k2ors at verizon.net  Sun Oct 24 15:42:13 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:42:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ
Message-ID: <1501673122.686300.1287949333607.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Doug,

   Many thanks for the capture!
I don't have a current web page, but here is the lineup:
TX: G0MRF type class-D switching transmitter running around 250 watts output.
Ant: Transmitting loop oriented in the vertical plane made up of coax cable about 80' vertical by 150' horizontal - 2 turns in parallel spaced about 10' apart.

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 24, 2010 03:01:00 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

===========================================

Oh....here's a screenshot. ;-)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/cap00007.jpg

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Douglas D. Williams  wrote:
> Solid copy this afternoon on WD2XGJ. Can anyone point me to a web page
> or contact info for this experimental station? I suppose I should have
> set Argo on QRSS60 "slow" in order to see the entire callsign on one
> screen...
>
> Doug - KB4OER
>
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 17:11:57 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:11:57 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ
In-Reply-To: <1501673122.686300.1287949333607.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1501673122.686300.1287949333607.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxsQKujwuASwcXnXH4mtn=xt8A+iTmtyhTr4jN@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent! Well, I can confirm your setup works very well.

73,
Doug - KB4OER

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM,  <k2ors at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> ? Many thanks for the capture!
> I don't have a current web page, but here is the lineup:
> TX: G0MRF type class-D switching transmitter running around 250 watts output.
> Ant: Transmitting loop oriented in the vertical plane made up of coax cable about 80' vertical by 150' horizontal - 2 turns in parallel spaced about 10' apart.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> ? ? ? ? ?WD2XGJ
> ? ? ? ? ?WD2XSH/23
> ? ? ? ? ?WE2XEB/2
> ? ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1
>
>
> Oct 24, 2010 03:01:00 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>
> ===========================================
>
> Oh....here's a screenshot. ;-)
>
> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/cap00007.jpg
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Douglas D. Williams ?wrote:
>> Solid copy this afternoon on WD2XGJ. Can anyone point me to a web page
>> or contact info for this experimental station? I suppose I should have
>> set Argo on QRSS60 "slow" in order to see the entire callsign on one
>> screen...
>>
>> Doug - KB4OER
>>
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From w1tag at w1tag.com  Sun Oct 24 19:35:48 2010
From: w1tag at w1tag.com (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XES/XNS CW QSO
Message-ID: <4CC4C2D4.4050403@w1tag.com>

Jay and I will be having a CW QSO tonight on 137.450 kHz, starting at 0100Z.

John, W1TAG/WD2XES

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 24 19:33:18 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XES/XNS CW QSO
References: <4CC4C2D4.4050403@w1tag.com>
Message-ID: <000801cb73d3$d6ce9e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Other stations are welcome to join in. Reports also appreciated.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

From w1tag at charter.net  Sun Oct 24 19:54:34 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] XES/XNS CW QSO
In-Reply-To: <000801cb73d3$d6ce9e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <4CC4C2D4.4050403@w1tag.com>
	<000801cb73d3$d6ce9e70$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <4CC4C73A.70406@charter.net>

Of course!

On 10/24/2010 7:33 PM, jrusgrove at comcast.net wrote:
> Other stations are welcome to join in. Reports also appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 10:57:59 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:57:59 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WD2XGJ
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxsQKujwuASwcXnXH4mtn=xt8A+iTmtyhTr4jN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1501673122.686300.1287949333607.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
	<AANLkTikxsQKujwuASwcXnXH4mtn=xt8A+iTmtyhTr4jN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQDtvJS_Uzv=jTyKd+cBPUZ_bL=HaOhMbn9UQ5@mail.gmail.com>

According to QRZ.com the straight line distance between us is 714
miles. Nice signal, especially considering it was a daytime copy.

Doug - KB4OER

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent! Well, I can confirm your setup works very well.
>
> 73,
> Doug - KB4OER
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM, ?<k2ors at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> ? Many thanks for the capture!
>> I don't have a current web page, but here is the lineup:
>> TX: G0MRF type class-D switching transmitter running around 250 watts output.
>> Ant: Transmitting loop oriented in the vertical plane made up of coax cable about 80' vertical by 150' horizontal - 2 turns in parallel spaced about 10' apart.
>>
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>> ? ? ? ? ?WD2XGJ
>> ? ? ? ? ?WD2XSH/23
>> ? ? ? ? ?WE2XEB/2
>> ? ? ? ? ?WE2XGR/1
>>
>>
>> Oct 24, 2010 03:01:00 PM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>
>> ===========================================
>>
>> Oh....here's a screenshot. ;-)
>>
>> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/cap00007.jpg
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Douglas D. Williams ?wrote:
>>> Solid copy this afternoon on WD2XGJ. Can anyone point me to a web page
>>> or contact info for this experimental station? I suppose I should have
>>> set Argo on QRSS60 "slow" in order to see the entire callsign on one
>>> screen...
>>>
>>> Doug - KB4OER
>>>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 21:17:36 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-180 tonite
Message-ID: <568315.87908.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Barring T-Storms during the night; I'll be running " XR " in 
QRSS-180 equivalant. Use ARGO in QRSS-60-SLOW, or 120-NORMAL.
Strongest resolution will be in QRSS-120-SLOW. I do appeear
to be having a very slight frequency jitter, mainly caused by
changes in room temp. I have insulated the Osc. stage, and hope
to have minimized the jitter, but can't promise there won't be
some slight frequency drift. It will be most noticable in the
QRSS-120-SLOW mode. To accomplish this, I am sending the letters
K T T K ( space ) T K T ( space ) restart sequence. I have the
weighting, and the letter spacing very tight ( running the
DITs and DAHs together ), Viewing in 60 second slow, or slower
will have the characters appear on the waterfall as " X R " at
QRSS-180 equivalent. It looks like there may be some upward drift
for probably the next hour or so until it reaches a stable temp.
Then it remains to be seen what happens when the AC kicks on.

73 all, and have a good night:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 23:22:43 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-180 tonite
In-Reply-To: <568315.87908.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <142899.68211.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Ok, it looks like the frequency has settled at 185,298.92 KHz...
I don't know why the upward shift from the previous frequency,
but it appears to be holding right there for the time being.
The Osc. Insulating seems to have almost stopped the drift when
the AC comes on. It is a very Hi-Tech system of 2 pieces of 
Styrofoam, and wrapped in an old rag, then covered with a box.
The most drift I have seen in 2 hours is .01 Hz viewing with
ARGO in 120-SLOW mode. Hoping to get another mile or 2 down the
road; all reception reports greatly appreciated.. 73 all:



Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " in QRSS-180 tonite
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:17 PM
> Barring T-Storms during the night;
> I'll be running " XR " in 
> QRSS-180 equivalant. Use ARGO in QRSS-60-SLOW, or
> 120-NORMAL.
> Strongest resolution will be in QRSS-120-SLOW. I do
> appeear
> to be having a very slight frequency jitter, mainly caused
> by
> changes in room temp. I have insulated the Osc. stage, and
> hope
> to have minimized the jitter, but can't promise there won't
> be
> some slight frequency drift. It will be most noticable in
> the
> QRSS-120-SLOW mode. To accomplish this, I am sending the
> letters
> K T T K ( space ) T K T ( space ) restart sequence. I have
> the
> weighting, and the letter spacing very tight ( running the
> DITs and DAHs together ), Viewing in 60 second slow, or
> slower
> will have the characters appear on the waterfall as " X R "
> at
> QRSS-180 equivalent. It looks like there may be some upward
> drift
> for probably the next hour or so until it reaches a stable
> temp.
> Then it remains to be seen what happens when the AC kicks
> on.
> 
> 73 all, and have a good night:
> 
> 
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> Coordinates:? N:? 35? 43' 54" - W:? 84? 3'
> 16"
> 
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> 
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> 
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 23:36:50 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] BTW: You can run 2 ARGO windows
In-Reply-To: <142899.68211.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <202047.5031.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


I forgot to mention that earlier, Thanks to Paul - " WMS " for
pointing out that you can run 2 ARGO windows at the same time
with no conflict. One could be set to QRSS-60-SLOW, and the
other set to QRSS-120-SLOW to see the difference in signal 
between the 2 modes. I have tried it for 2 days now, and it 
works fine.


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm




From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 11:31:39 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " QRSS-180, good run, first night
Message-ID: <911711.71570.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Received a capture from Todd - WD4NGG in Hilton Head, SC.
Very pleased with the results. No drift, Very good signal quality.
Characters look well defined for a makeshift 180 second transmission.
View the capture here:

http://ku4xr.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=104102582

The very long - longshot will be if Neil - W0YSE in Layton, Utah had 
any luck last night with the signal. Even a few traces would be 
exciting due to the distance... 1,548 miles. I'll have to wait to see
on his report, haven't heard from him yet.

73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From k5wms at centurytel.net  Tue Oct 26 17:12:18 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:12:18 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] BTW: You can run 2 ARGO windows
Message-ID: <20101026171218.xbvmkkv4ybhco4os@webmail2.centurytel.net>

Credit goes to Dave w5dsb for coming up with the multiple argos. You 
can also run Spectran , Argo, and Spectrum lab simultaniously. 

Some thunderstorms this week but hasnt improved ground moisture here, 
very dry. 

Paul k5wms

Quoting Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>:
>
> I forgot to mention that earlier, Thanks to Paul - " WMS " for
> pointing out that you can run 2 ARGO windows at the same time
> with no conflict. One could be set to QRSS-60-SLOW, and the
> other set to QRSS-120-SLOW to see the difference in signal
> between the 2 modes. I have tried it for 2 days now, and it
> works fine. 
>
>
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
> Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"
>
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
>
> http://ku4xr.webs.com
>
> http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl
>
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>
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>
>
>
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beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Tue Oct 26 19:56:56 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
Message-ID: <000801cb7569$78ccba90$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Time to don the lead overcoats ... that's one strong / wide signal! They've switching modes now and 
are currently running something more 'normal'. Assume it's either NAA or an airborne platform.

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/17.8%20kHz.jpg

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 


From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 20:20:14 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:20:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
Message-ID: <e21bc.4642cc57.39f8ca3e@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/26/2010 7:57:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jrusgrove at comcast.net writes:

Time to don the lead overcoats ... that's one strong / wide signal! They've 
 switching modes now and 
are currently running something more 'normal'.  Assume it's either NAA or 
an airborne  platform.

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/17.8%20kHz.jpg

Jay  W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 
 
 
Hi Jay,
The new signal is booming in down here in SC tonite @ 0015 UTC.
Seems to be some kind of MSK signal centered on 17.7KHz. Now
just changed modes again at 0018UTC.
 
I don't think it could be NAA.   NAA is still operating  normally
on 24.0KHz. My guess would be TACAMO.
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 
 

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 20:33:03 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:33:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 600MRG> 17.8 kHz
Message-ID: <e2d6e.5f5c2ed5.39f8cd3f@aol.com>

New signal seems to be on 17.8KHz now as of 0023UTC.
Running some kind of FSK mode?
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 20:40:54 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:40:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
Message-ID: <e3454.2959e9e4.39f8cf16@aol.com>

New signal just disappeared at 0039 UTC.
NAA  was stronger down here in SC comparing signal strengths.

73 - Todd WD4NG  


From hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 26 20:46:16 2010
From: hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com (Laurence KL7UK)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:46:16 -0800
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
In-Reply-To: <e3454.2959e9e4.39f8cf16@aol.com>
References: <e3454.2959e9e4.39f8cf16@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W3648BB97CE1FCE445ED307CF430@phx.gbl>


Now seeing a "spread" signal over 17.0 -18.8 both here in Okie and in AK...was FSK75 a few mins ago me thinks - interesting data mode...
 
Its about 10dB over noise in AK and huge here in Okie...
 
L.
 
> From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:40:54 -0400
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
> 
> New signal just disappeared at 0039 UTC.
> NAA was stronger down here in SC comparing signal strengths.
> 
> 73 - Todd WD4NG 
> 
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 20:51:11 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
Message-ID: <e3d64.531d1bcc.39f8d17e@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/26/2010 8:46:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com writes:

Now seeing a "spread" signal over 17.0 -18.8 both here in Okie and in  
AK...was FSK75 a few mins ago me thinks - interesting data mode...

Its  about 10dB over noise in AK and huge here in Okie...

L.
 
 
Hi Laurence,
Now hearing the "spread" signal. Still seems to be centered around 17.8KHz 
but very wide now. Interesting they are able to run that broad a  signal
that low in frequency.
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG

From stanw1le at verizon.net  Tue Oct 26 20:53:49 2010
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Any comments from users of this LW Receiver ?
Message-ID: <4CC7781D.9010300@verizon.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/TECSUN-PL360-PLL-DSP-ETM-AM-FM-SW-LW-PL-360-/110487962902?pt=Shortwave_Radios&hash=item19b9988516

Thanks   Stan, W1LE     Cape Cod

From esmithmail at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 20:55:56 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:55:56 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
In-Reply-To: <e3d64.531d1bcc.39f8d17e@aol.com>
References: <e3d64.531d1bcc.39f8d17e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7525293515364921438@unknownmsgid>

If it is TACAMO their primary base is Tinker AFB, just down the road
from me on the east side of Oklahoma City.

Eric KD5UWL

On Oct 26, 2010, at 7:51 PM, ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/26/2010 8:46:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> hellozerohellozero at hotmail.com writes:
>
> Now seeing a "spread" signal over 17.0 -18.8 both here in Okie and in
> AK...was FSK75 a few mins ago me thinks - interesting data mode...
>
> Its  about 10dB over noise in AK and huge here in Okie...
>
> L.
>
>
> Hi Laurence,
> Now hearing the "spread" signal. Still seems to be centered around 17.8KHz
> but very wide now. Interesting they are able to run that broad a  signal
> that low in frequency.
>
> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
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From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 21:09:05 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:09:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
Message-ID: <e4d5d.1caf8d3b.39f8d5b1@aol.com>

New signal seems to have disappeared again  around 0100.
73 - Todd WD4NGG  


From n0nas at amsat.org  Tue Oct 26 21:11:50 2010
From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:11:50 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] test attachment email- ignore
Message-ID: <4CC77C56.1060207@amsat.org>

Only a test.

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 21:39:30 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:39:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Any comments from users of this LW Receiver ?
In-Reply-To: <4CC7781D.9010300@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <150532.83661.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

There are a couple of you tube videos of the radio being demonstrated
in the A.M. band... Not very impressive in the video..

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Stan, W1LE <stanw1le at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Stan, W1LE <stanw1le at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Lowfer] Any comments from users of this LW Receiver ?
> To: Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 8:53 PM
> http://cgi.ebay.com/TECSUN-PL360-PLL-DSP-ETM-AM-FM-SW-LW-PL-360-/110487962902?pt=Shortwave_Radios&hash=item19b9988516
> 
> Thanks???Stan, W1LE?
> ???Cape Cod
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From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 21:45:35 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:45:35 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
In-Reply-To: <e3454.2959e9e4.39f8cf16@aol.com>
References: <e3454.2959e9e4.39f8cf16@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+YGWf8-Hr+7w=c4cPaD+HuL_PBqLwvdmpV7U=@mail.gmail.com>

Here are a few time lapse pix of the activity tonite as seen here..
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/17.jpg

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/17a.jpg

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/17b.jpg

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/17c.jpg

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:40 AM,  <ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com> wrote:
> New signal just disappeared at 0039 UTC.
> NAA ?was stronger down here in SC comparing signal strengths.
>
> 73 - Todd WD4NG
>
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From steveratz at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 26 22:01:41 2010
From: steveratz at wildblue.net (Steve Ratzlaff)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:01:41 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Any comments from users of this LW Receiver ?
References: <4CC7781D.9010300@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <F9E0AB98D9A4436597E26A80BAC10BDF@DG1R70F1>

Hi Stan,
I belong to a yahoo "ultralight radio" list that discusses such pocket radio 
that this Tecsun PL-360 belongs in the class of. It and the various other 
Tecsun radios such as the PL-310 and PL-380 use a Silicon Labs DSP chip that 
includes a varactor-tuned front end. The SiLabs data sheet for the chip has 
a lot of info. Folks have made replacement antennas such as the common 7.5 
inch ferrite rod from Amidon, wound for MW reception; one guy tried it with 
a coil wound for LF. I've tried a similar Tecsun model (PL-380) that doesn't 
have a removable ferrite antenna but uses the same SiLabs DSP chip, with a 
ferrite rod with LF coil. LF sensitivity was very poor and there were lots 
of spurious noises and hets over the LF range. The DSP chip was designed 
primarily for MW and HF usage.
Note that a replacement antenna has to have an inductance that will resonate 
over the varactor's tuning range; you can't simply plug in a longwire or 
random ferrite antenna. The varactor won't cover the full LF range with one 
LF antenna coil.
Several folks have reported using these radios in Europe and report poor 
LWBC reception, even with the very strong stations relatively close by 
there.
73,
Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan, W1LE" <stanw1le at verizon.net>
To: <Lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 5:53 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] Any comments from users of this LW Receiver ?


> http://cgi.ebay.com/TECSUN-PL360-PLL-DSP-ETM-AM-FM-SW-LW-PL-360-/110487962902?pt=Shortwave_Radios&hash=item19b9988516
>
> Thanks   Stan, W1LE     Cape Cod


From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 06:08:43 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:08:43 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] test
References: <c0928538efaaeb5ec2dec519fbc3155a@www.qsl.net>
	<20101026212548.GG9304@kkn.net>
	<003c01cb7564$f849da00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
	<20101027025916.GF18045@kkn.net>
Message-ID: <002601cb75be$efd65bf0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Test post with image.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 27 08:32:07 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:32:07 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] XR and WMS in NE IL
Message-ID: <4CC81BC7.9030807@sbcglobal.net>

Decent copy of XR over night on 185.2987 kHz using QRSS60, slow. WMS was 
also in there for much of the night on 185.3017 kHz with a nice peak 
around 0800Z. Was surprised to decode the San Francisco Navtex station 
on 518 kHz well after local sunrise even though NDB MOG on 404 kHz was 
just noticeable.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From mikea at mikea.ath.cx  Wed Oct 27 09:20:16 2010
From: mikea at mikea.ath.cx (mikea)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] 17.8 kHz
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-W3648BB97CE1FCE445ED307CF430@phx.gbl>
References: <e3454.2959e9e4.39f8cf16@aol.com>
	<BLU146-W3648BB97CE1FCE445ED307CF430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20101027132016.GA22822@mikea.ath.cx>

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 04:46:16PM -0800, Laurence KL7UK wrote:
> 
> Now seeing a "spread" signal over 17.0 -18.8 both here in Okie and in
> AK...was FSK75 a few mins ago me thinks - interesting data mode...
>
> Its about 10dB over noise in AK and huge here in Okie...

Considering the TACAMO birds are based out of Tinker, in central OK, where
I see them every day -- and even met one TACAMO driver -- they _ought_ to
be huge here.

-- 
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mikea at mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin 

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 27 10:02:56 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] XR and WMS in NE IL
In-Reply-To: <4CC81BC7.9030807@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <829640.12313.qm@web63607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thank you for your reports Garry:  I am; " Surprisingly Relieved "
that I am still on the air. Gale Force winds, and peak gusts 
reaching an EF0 level ( lowest Tornado catagory ). We were spared
at our QTH from any heavy damage, just lots of debris, and strewn
yard furniture. My Stepson just finished a quick tack down of a 
not yet finished Tin roof over my front porch, working even in the
beginning winds of the storm... I have never saw anything shake, 
and rattle like that Tin roof did last night, but it stayed in place.
It remains to be seen how the 10 foot by 10 foot square Tin roof
will affect my lowFER antenna characteristics. It is only about 
20 feet to the side of the antenna, and being horizontal, at 10 feet
above the ground, It will have some sort of interaction. 
After the main brunt of the storm passed; I turned the beacon back on
and let it run thru the still heavy wind gusts, and torrents of rain.
I am pleased to see that the RF current still does not drop as much
as with the previous antenna when the ground get wet, and last night
it was saturated.  I still tend to attribute this to the elevated 
loading coil......  73 all, and hope all is well at your QTH:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz ( QRSS-60 )
Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Garry Hess <k3siw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Lowfer] XR and WMS in NE IL
> To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 8:32 AM
> Decent copy of XR over night on
> 185.2987 kHz using QRSS60, slow. WMS was 
> also in there for much of the night on 185.3017 kHz with a
> nice peak 
> around 0800Z. Was surprised to decode the San Francisco
> Navtex station 
> on 518 kHz well after local sunrise even though NDB MOG on
> 404 kHz was 
> just noticeable.
> 
> 73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 10:57:55 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Attachments again!
Message-ID: <003901cb75e7$567e3d00$6d01a8c0@DELL4>

Thanks to Doug, N0NAS and George, K5TR it appears we can again add attachments to posts. The max 
size is currently back at 20k but this may be increased somewhat.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 15:35:20 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:35:20 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
Message-ID: <001f01cb760e$19eb45a0$6d01a8c0@DELL4>

Does anyone know if WEB is back on?

Jay 

From ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com  Wed Oct 27 15:43:45 2010
From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:43:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
Message-ID: <c374f.583141da.39f9daf1@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/27/2010 3:35:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jrusgrove at comcast.net writes:

Does anyone know if WEB is back on?

Jay  
______________________________________________________________
 
Hi Jay,
I just corresponded with Bill a few days ago. He just got back from a  
family reunion and plans 
to take a look at his transmitter board this week. 
 
He told me 2 or 3 weeks ago that he went to check on his beacon in the  
outdoors enclosure
and that it was covered with mud-daubers. He said it was a wonder it was  
still working.
 
He is not sure if he can clean up the board or may decide to rebuild it  
with a new board so
don't know how long that will take. He said he will let me know what he  
finds out and I will
pass the news on to the Lowfer list.
 
I told him it might be a good idea to place a bunch of mothballs around his 
 transmitter
in the outdoor enclosure. Might help to keep the mud-daubers away!
 
73 - Todd WD4NGG
 

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Oct 27 15:58:34 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:58:34 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
References: <c374f.583141da.39f9daf1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01cb7611$57211aa0$6d01a8c0@DELL4>

Todd

Thanks for the update on WEB.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WEB?


> In a message dated 10/27/2010 3:35:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> jrusgrove at comcast.net writes:
> 
> Does anyone know if WEB is back on?
> 
> Jay  
> ______________________________________________________________
> 
> Hi Jay,
> I just corresponded with Bill a few days ago. He just got back from a  
> family reunion and plans 
> to take a look at his transmitter board this week. 
> 
> He told me 2 or 3 weeks ago that he went to check on his beacon in the  
> outdoors enclosure
> and that it was covered with mud-daubers. He said it was a wonder it was  
> still working.
> 
> He is not sure if he can clean up the board or may decide to rebuild it  
> with a new board so
> don't know how long that will take. He said he will let me know what he  
> finds out and I will
> pass the news on to the Lowfer list.
> 
> I told him it might be a good idea to place a bunch of mothballs around his 
> transmitter
> in the outdoor enclosure. Might help to keep the mud-daubers away!
> 
> 73 - Todd WD4NGG
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html

From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct 27 15:39:25 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:39:25 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
In-Reply-To: <001f01cb760e$19eb45a0$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
References: <001f01cb760e$19eb45a0$6d01a8c0@DELL4>
Message-ID: <CF64C057E94B416891D571D039E1C13F@LeePC>

I'll call him on the phone and ask him.

Lee, w0vt


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jrusgrove at comcast.net>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?


> Does anyone know if WEB is back on?
> 
> Jay 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html

From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct 27 17:08:13 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (L L bahr)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
In-Reply-To: <CF64C057E94B416891D571D039E1C13F@LeePC>
Message-ID: <265535776.146559.1288213693597.JavaMail.root@md35.embarq.synacor.com>

I called Bill an hour ago on the phone.  Answering machine came on and I left word for him to call me. 

Lee, w0vt

  

I'll call him on the phone and ask him.

Lee, w0vt



> Does anyone know if WEB is back on?
> 
> Jay 

From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 28 02:14:32 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:14:32 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
Message-ID: <9D31AB3FEF0740F7936D41D1A91C3445@LeePC>

I did contact Bill Bower (WEB) on the phone this evening.  First off he just 
got back from a family gathering and was away for a few days.  Before he 
left, Mud Dobbers got into his transmitter and he pulled the plug on the 
power to WEB.  The site is at a business and while he was gone someone 
plugged it in and the transmitter was running again.  Bill thinks he will 
have time to go to the site on Friday and remove the transmitter and take it 
home for repair or at least "cleaning" from the Mud Dobber debre.  Since he 
has been gone, he really doesn't know the status of the beacon until he gets 
out to it on Friday.  He said if it is really a mess, he may have to obtain 
a new transmitter.  (The one he has now is pritty old and been out in the 
weather for a long time and has a pritty antique beacon IDer in it).

Lee, w0vt
Houston 


From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Thu Oct 28 06:02:26 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:02:26 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WEB?
References: <9D31AB3FEF0740F7936D41D1A91C3445@LeePC>
Message-ID: <003101cb7687$39c7f7a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Lee

Thanks for the update.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LEE BAHR" <pulsarxp at embarqmail.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp;UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] WEB?


>I did contact Bill Bower (WEB) on the phone this evening.  First off he just 
> got back from a family gathering and was away for a few days.  Before he 
> left, Mud Dobbers got into his transmitter and he pulled the plug on the 
> power to WEB.  The site is at a business and while he was gone someone 
> plugged it in and the transmitter was running again.  Bill thinks he will 
> have time to go to the site on Friday and remove the transmitter and take it 
> home for repair or at least "cleaning" from the Mud Dobber debre.  Since he 
> has been gone, he really doesn't know the status of the beacon until he gets 
> out to it on Friday.  He said if it is really a mess, he may have to obtain 
> a new transmitter.  (The one he has now is pritty old and been out in the 
> weather for a long time and has a pritty antique beacon IDer in it).
> 
> Lee, w0vt
> Houston 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> 
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From n0nas at amsat.org  Thu Oct 28 07:21:57 2010
From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] test attachment email- ignore
Message-ID: <4CC95CD5.8090505@amsat.org>

Only a test.

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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 20:30:21 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:30:21 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS & UWL
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHOBMGhwKT1HjpgW6YHzRaoT-JKfZWFwe4fR8M@mail.gmail.com>

Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
list indicates?

Thanks,
Doug

From esmithmail at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 20:39:17 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS & UWL
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHOBMGhwKT1HjpgW6YHzRaoT-JKfZWFwe4fR8M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinHOBMGhwKT1HjpgW6YHzRaoT-JKfZWFwe4fR8M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3545070772377777131@unknownmsgid>

I had to turn UWL off this morning but it will be back on at ~0400z.
I will send another email at that time.

Thanks for listening,
Eric KD5UWL

On Oct 28, 2010, at 7:30 PM, "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
> list indicates?
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>
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From k5wms at centurytel.net  Thu Oct 28 22:12:15 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:12:15 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS &amp; UWL
Message-ID: <20101028221215.po73htrqqeckkso0@webmail2.centurytel.net>

WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset for slow. 

thanks for listening
Paul k5wms

Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
> list indicates?
> 
> Thanks,
> Doug
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> 

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu

From esmithmail at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 23:18:25 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS &amp; UWL
In-Reply-To: <20101028221215.po73htrqqeckkso0@webmail2.centurytel.net>
References: <20101028221215.po73htrqqeckkso0@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <-825569146148727624@unknownmsgid>

UWL now also on.  185302.00 QRSS30

Like Paul says, thanks for listening.

Eric KD5UWL

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:

> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset for slow.
>
> thanks for listening
> Paul k5wms
>
> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
>> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
>> list indicates?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Lowfer mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
>
> Paul Daulton K5WMS
> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
> em34wu
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 07:15:32 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS &amp; UWL
In-Reply-To: <-825569146148727624@unknownmsgid>
References: <20101028221215.po73htrqqeckkso0@webmail2.centurytel.net>
	<-825569146148727624@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdaaUaxr=-6tE5a6nnoSX3eA4QkKz9wgZZ-xGo@mail.gmail.com>

Overnight screen captures revealed definite traces of a QRSS signal on
185.302.....but not enough for an ID. Could have been either one of
you (or perhaps even SIW). XR was very strong, as usual. Will keep
trying over the weekend. WX is supposed to be clear, so should be
minimal QRN.

-Doug (KB4OER)

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Eric Smith <esmithmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> UWL now also on. ?185302.00 QRSS30
>
> Like Paul says, thanks for listening.
>
> Eric KD5UWL
>
> On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset for slow.
>>
>> thanks for listening
>> Paul k5wms
>>
>> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
>>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
>>> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
>>> list indicates?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Lowfer mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>
>>
>> Paul Daulton K5WMS
>> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
>> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
>> em34wu
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Lowfer mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
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>

From stevesykes at rochester.rr.com  Fri Oct 29 07:20:26 2010
From: stevesykes at rochester.rr.com (Steve Sykes)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:20:26 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF WSPR
Message-ID: <4CCAADFA.2020808@rochester.rr.com>

I am receiving several stations with WSPR, but I have a question.  The 
WSPRnet page shows the dial frequency should be 502.4 KC but I have the 
dial set to 499.6 KC to receive.  Since I am receiving, I know the dial 
is correct, but why the difference?  I see several stations on that must 
be using the frequency from the web page and they are not receiving anyone.

73
Steve KD2OM

From esmithmail at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 07:28:34 2010
From: esmithmail at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:28:34 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS &amp; UWL
In-Reply-To: <20101028221215.po73htrqqeckkso0@webmail2.centurytel.net>
References: <20101028221215.po73htrqqeckkso0@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <-3167082321855697743@unknownmsgid>

Thanks, Doug...Paul, I'm sorry, but I just noticed you listed 185302
also...are you right on that frequency?  Do I need to QSY?  Please let
me know....I can move around a few tenths as needed.

73
Eric KD5UWL

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:

> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset for slow.
>
> thanks for listening
> Paul k5wms
>
> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
>> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
>> list indicates?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Lowfer mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
>
> Paul Daulton K5WMS
> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
> em34wu
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 10:32:01 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS &amp; UWL
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdaaUaxr=-6tE5a6nnoSX3eA4QkKz9wgZZ-xGo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18848.85198.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Doug:

I'll be off on Sat. night to look for Sal " SJ " ... In case my
signal is causing some AGC redution in receive, which it may 
very well be doing, that should stop on Sat. night, and give
you a clear shot at the watering hole. Good luck with your hunting.

73: 

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz 

**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] beacon WMS &amp; UWL
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &, UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 7:15 AM
> Overnight screen captures revealed
> definite traces of a QRSS signal on
> 185.302.....but not enough for an ID. Could have been
> either one of
> you (or perhaps even SIW). XR was very strong, as usual.
> Will keep
> trying over the weekend. WX is supposed to be clear, so
> should be
> minimal QRN.
> 
> -Doug (KB4OER)
> 
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Eric Smith <esmithmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > UWL now also on. ?185302.00 QRSS30
> >
> > Like Paul says, thanks for listening.
> >
> > Eric KD5UWL
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset
> for slow.
> >>
> >> thanks for listening
> >> Paul k5wms
> >>
> >> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
> >>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight.
> Anyone know if these beacons
> >>> are still "on the air" and still running
> QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
> >>> list indicates?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Doug
> >>>
> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> Lowfer mailing list
> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >>> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> >>>
> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >>>
> >>
> >> Paul Daulton K5WMS
> >> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
> >> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
> >> em34wu
> >>
> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Lowfer mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> >>
> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >
> ______________________________________________________________
> > Lowfer mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
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> > Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> 
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Oct 29 10:32:31 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:32:31 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF WSPR
In-Reply-To: <4CCAADFA.2020808@rochester.rr.com>
References: <4CCAADFA.2020808@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B346B946-427C-47A3-91BB-6CD85EF832A1@hurontel.on.ca>

Hello Steve, Lowfers,

It appears that most of the North American stations are on 501.1 rather than 503.9, so doing the math
you are set up OK for receiving them.  501100 - 1500 = 499600, so your dial on 499.6 kHz. is fine for
listening/watching of NA stations. 

As to why the stations on this side of the pond have slid down to 499.6 may be  that NA stations won't
interfere with EU & UK ops on 502.4 kHz.  It makes sense to do that, as a lot of us both here and there
want to listen/watch for trans Atlantic WSPR signals.

It's very similar to the different frequencies used for QRSS on 2200 meters.  One for east and one for
west, which has worked out well. 

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 11:12:08 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] LF WSPR
In-Reply-To: <B346B946-427C-47A3-91BB-6CD85EF832A1@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <476009.89864.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/29/10, John Bruce McCreath wrote:

> As to why the stations on this side of the pond have slid
> down to 499.6 may be  that NA stations won't
> interfere with EU & UK ops on 502.4 kHz.  It makes
> sense to do that, as a lot of us both here and there
> want to listen/watch for trans Atlantic WSPR signals.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
___________________________________________________

Good morning all: It probably has nothing to do with this reason,
but it is a benefit none the least. In most all rigs, there is the
aggravating 20+ dB attenuator that covers the BCB, and usually 
extends down to 500 KHz. At 499.999 KHz, the attenuator drop out, 
and you get the extra sensitivity back. From my soap box look;
it would be as beneficial for the worldwide stations to be given
authority to move below 500 KHZ for that reason too. an extra
20+ dB of sensitivity would sure help out. My opinion only...

73 all: 


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm




From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 11:35:32 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:35:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR "
Message-ID: <165080.5638.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello all:

I am posting this on the LF mailing list also just for those 
who may not read the lowfer mailing list. Certainly not that 
I expect to be heard across the Atlantic, but there may be 
some Canadian stations willing to look for a weak signal.

I have recently changed to a QRSS-180 equivalent transmission
on my 1 watt lowFER beacon on 1750 meters. The best DX while
in QRSS-60 was 1185 miles ( 1907 KM ). Recent tests with a couple
of operators has shown that the QRSS-180 length will maintain
the signal when QRSS-60 looses it. I'm sure it can be seen that 
I am hoping to extend that distance. Anyone willing to take the
time to look for the signal; I will certainly appreciate your
efforts. The signal will be best viewed with ARGO in QRSS-120
set for SLOW scroll, or Spectrum Lab set approriately. 
SPECTRAN will work also in its QRSS-30 mode with the speed 
control set to a very slow scroll rate.
When viewed in a slow mode, the letters " X R " will be evident
if the signal can be seen at your QTH.

Thank you for your time reading this.... 
73, and a good weekend to all:  


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Fri Oct 29 16:52:08 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF WSPR
In-Reply-To: <476009.89864.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <476009.89864.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C85D54C0-4D16-4000-AFC7-DBB135F7A1B4@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Andy, Lowfers,

That's a good point and one I can relate to.  I had Mitch remove the BCB attenuator in my TS-440!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From kb4oer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 17:15:04 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:15:04 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS & UWL
In-Reply-To: <18848.85198.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimdaaUaxr=-6tE5a6nnoSX3eA4QkKz9wgZZ-xGo@mail.gmail.com>
	<18848.85198.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8zhUsHSy0vYHnmkcDjGH1Nsu4qtFr0k=BBXT8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andy, though I doubt your signal, strong as it is on Argo, is
causing my AGC to react at all. Conditions should be great tonight and
tomorrow night, barring any solar storms, which I have not checked.
Hope you didn't get hit too hard by the strong winds earlier this
week. Several trees were snapped in half and uprooted near me.

D.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Doug:
>
> I'll be off on Sat. night to look for Sal " SJ " ... In case my
> signal is causing some AGC redution in receive, which it may
> very well be doing, that should stop on Sat. night, and give
> you a clear shot at the watering hole. Good luck with your hunting.
>
> 73:
>
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
>
> **** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****
>
> Coordinates: ?N: ?35? 43' 54" - W: ?84? 3' 16"
>
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
>
> http://ku4xr.webs.com
>
> http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl
>
> *** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***
>
> http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/29/10, Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] beacon WMS & UWL
>> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &, UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
>> Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 7:15 AM
>> Overnight screen captures revealed
>> definite traces of a QRSS signal on
>> 185.302.....but not enough for an ID. Could have been
>> either one of
>> you (or perhaps even SIW). XR was very strong, as usual.
>> Will keep
>> trying over the weekend. WX is supposed to be clear, so
>> should be
>> minimal QRN.
>>
>> -Doug (KB4OER)
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Eric Smith <esmithmail at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > UWL now also on. ?185302.00 QRSS30
>> >
>> > Like Paul says, thanks for listening.
>> >
>> > Eric KD5UWL
>> >
>> > On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset
>> for slow.
>> >>
>> >> thanks for listening
>> >> Paul k5wms
>> >>
>> >> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
>> >>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight.
>> Anyone know if these beacons
>> >>> are still "on the air" and still running
>> QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
>> >>> list indicates?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Doug
>> >>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >> Paul Daulton K5WMS
>> >> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
>> >> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
>> >> em34wu
>> >>
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From wa3usg at verizon.net  Fri Oct 29 20:00:55 2010
From: wa3usg at verizon.net (Dick Goodman)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:00:55 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR
	"
In-Reply-To: <165080.5638.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LBENKNHPADCIMLPCBOKNGELCEHAA.wa3usg@verizon.net>

Andy,

    FINALLY!!  Static was down low enough last night to begin copying some
of the LowFer signals. I got you in the wee hours of this morning ... not
really great because there is still lots of static but good enough to read
your call with a little imagination. I was wondering why in the heck the
characters were sooooo danged long but QRSS-180 explains it all.

http://mysite.verizon.net/wa3usg/XR.jpg

73
Dick, WA3USG
Mechanicsburg,PA.
FN10LE


-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Andy - KU4XR
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:36 AM
To: lowfer at mailman.qth.net; rsgb_lf_group at blacksheep.org
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR
"


Hello all:

I am posting this on the LF mailing list also just for those
who may not read the lowfer mailing list. Certainly not that
I expect to be heard across the Atlantic, but there may be
some Canadian stations willing to look for a weak signal.

I have recently changed to a QRSS-180 equivalent transmission
on my 1 watt lowFER beacon on 1750 meters. The best DX while
in QRSS-60 was 1185 miles ( 1907 KM ). Recent tests with a couple
of operators has shown that the QRSS-180 length will maintain
the signal when QRSS-60 looses it. I'm sure it can be seen that
I am hoping to extend that distance. Anyone willing to take the
time to look for the signal; I will certainly appreciate your
efforts. The signal will be best viewed with ARGO in QRSS-120
set for SLOW scroll, or Spectrum Lab set approriately.
SPECTRAN will work also in its QRSS-30 mode with the speed
control set to a very slow scroll rate.
When viewed in a slow mode, the letters " X R " will be evident
if the signal can be seen at your QTH.

Thank you for your time reading this....
73, and a good weekend to all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz

**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm
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From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 29 20:53:49 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:53:49 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] My Prototype LOWfer transmitter PC Board
Message-ID: <F72E8F649CF540FEB3B122DAC571A3E6@LeePC>

If anyone wants to see my Prototype Printed Circuit Board for my LOWfer 
transmitter, send me an e-mail.  I layed out the diagram with EXPRESS PCB 
and then hand etched a prototype board to see if it is going to work before 
I have some made up professionally.  I installed the 3 IC chip sockets and 
the 4-pin dip switch plus the 5 volt regulator today.  That's about half of 
the solder connections.

The board has a dip switch to turn on the transmitter all the time, select 1 
of 7 msgs on the K1EL chip, Epson oscillator, divide bye 10 chip, drive pot, 
balance pot, push-pull output, low pass filter with the option to tap to 
antenna before or after the low pass filter.  5 volt regulator to power the 
ICs.  Seperate power input for final transistors (12-24 volts).

Lee, w0vt 


From k5wms at centurytel.net  Fri Oct 29 21:22:26 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:22:26 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] My Prototype LOWfer transmitter PC Board
Message-ID: <20101029212226.usvz1ry4j8n4sgs0@webmail2.centurytel.net>

lee I would like to see your layout. 

I recommend Farcircuits for the production. Fred is working with me on 
a reciever project and is very reasonable on the board prices. 

I did a layout last spring but havent finished it. I used a 3 pin dip, 
and I added a 10 turn 1k pot in the ground lead of the Epsom chip for 
frequency adjustment. 

I have been tied up on the rec project and also have my good friend and 
neighbor Paul Wynne AF5M  in the terminal stages of brain cancer, the 
wife and I help as much as we can. Paul is in home hospice care. 

If you want I can contact Fred about the boards. 

good luck with it

Paul k5wms

Quoting LEE BAHR <pulsarxp at embarqmail.com>:
> If anyone wants to see my Prototype Printed Circuit Board for my LOWfer
> transmitter, send me an e-mail.  I layed out the diagram with EXPRESS PCB
> and then hand etched a prototype board to see if it is going to work before
> I have some made up professionally.  I installed the 3 IC chip sockets and
> the 4-pin dip switch plus the 5 volt regulator today.  That's about half of
> the solder connections. 
>
> The board has a dip switch to turn on the transmitter all the time, select 1
> of 7 msgs on the K1EL chip, Epson oscillator, divide bye 10 chip, drive pot,
> balance pot, push-pull output, low pass filter with the option to tap to
> antenna before or after the low pass filter.  5 volt regulator to power the
> ICs.  Seperate power input for final transistors (12-24 volts). 
>
> Lee, w0vt
>
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Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 21:53:08 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR
	"
In-Reply-To: <LBENKNHPADCIMLPCBOKNGELCEHAA.wa3usg@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <738094.86528.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Good evening Dick:  Thanks for the report, and capture. If you want
to see the characters start to stand out from the noise, try again
with ARGO set to 120-SLOW...You will notice a big difference in the
clarity of the letters versus 30 second-SLOW. QRSS-60-SLOW will
work OK too, and still allow seeing the other stations without being
very tiny characters. 

I went back and checked my reception reports from you, and the first
report I have from you was on Oct. 25 & 26, 2008... How coincidental
is that??

73, and good lowFER-ing to you, and all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Dick Goodman <wa3usg at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Dick Goodman <wa3usg at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR "
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 8:00 PM
> Andy,
> 
> ? ? FINALLY!!? Static was down low enough
> last night to begin copying some
> of the LowFer signals. I got you in the wee hours of this
> morning ... not
> really great because there is still lots of static but good
> enough to read
> your call with a little imagination. I was wondering why in
> the heck the
> characters were sooooo danged long but QRSS-180 explains it
> all.
> 
> http://mysite.verizon.net/wa3usg/XR.jpg
> 
> 73
> Dick, WA3USG
> Mechanicsburg,PA.
> FN10LE
> 
> 


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 21:57:33 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] My Prototype LOWfer transmitter PC Board
In-Reply-To: <F72E8F649CF540FEB3B122DAC571A3E6@LeePC>
Message-ID: <857069.81561.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Very nice looking layout Lee: I hope it work great when finished.
BTW, did you use a Dremel tool to drill the holes in the PCB ??
Good job for sure..

73, and look forward to trying for your beacon in the future:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Fri, 10/29/10, LEE BAHR <pulsarxp at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> From: LEE BAHR <pulsarxp at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] My Prototype LOWfer transmitter PC Board
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 8:53 PM
> If anyone wants to see my Prototype
> Printed Circuit Board for my LOWfer 
> transmitter, send me an e-mail.? I layed out the
> diagram with EXPRESS PCB 
> and then hand etched a prototype board to see if it is
> going to work before 
> I have some made up professionally.? I installed the 3
> IC chip sockets and 
> the 4-pin dip switch plus the 5 volt regulator today.?
> That's about half of 
> the solder connections.
> 
> The board has a dip switch to turn on the transmitter all
> the time, select 1 
> of 7 msgs on the K1EL chip, Epson oscillator, divide bye 10
> chip, drive pot, 
> balance pot, push-pull output, low pass filter with the
> option to tap to 
> antenna before or after the low pass filter.? 5 volt
> regulator to power the 
> ICs.? Seperate power input for final transistors
> (12-24 volts).
> 
> Lee, w0vt 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Lowfer mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net
> 
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> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> 

From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 29 22:08:13 2010
From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (LEE BAHR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] My Prototype LOWfer transmitter PC Board
In-Reply-To: <857069.81561.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <857069.81561.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AE691DB7562943DF846F144669D69329@LeePC>

Andy:

No,  I put a PCB drill with a 1/8th inch shank into my drill press.  (I 
forgot to drill 4 holes, so I'll use my Dremmel tool for those 4).  With the 
board, you could probably whip up a transmitter in about an hour.

Lee, w0vt 


From cvest at cox.net  Fri Oct 29 22:17:30 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
Message-ID: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>

I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG resistors that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source to buy them for a reasonable price ?

There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for .

I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available .

I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 .

Thanks ,

Charlie , W5COV

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 22:19:20 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] A coincidental observation here...
Message-ID: <979184.96109.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Having done about all I can to the antenna itself, I started to
try improving the ground system by installing 2 more ground rods
spaced 8 feet out from the base of the antenna in a triangle
layout, and connected back to the rod underneath the antenna,
as well as connected to each other.
I have the first one driven in to 7 feet, 3 inches. The last foot 
of driving took 2 hours, and wore me out. Now here's what I'm 
seeing on the RF current meter tonite, after driving the rod into
the ground.... The antenna current usually runs 157 MilliAmps,
but after driving the rod into the ground, it is now reading 
162 MilliAmps at 1 watt input.. The rod IS NOT connected to 
anything, it is just there.. The majority of this stuff I don't
understand, and I certainly don't see how an un-connected ground
rod could affect the antenna to cause a change in current.
I plan to drive the other rod in tomorrow if I can, and I'll 
watch to see if anything changes in the tuning after driving it
in the ground but not connecting it to anything.
Before I do anything else; I'll go out in the mobile, and at a 
spot where I know what S-meter reading I should get; I'll see if 
the meter reading has any change at all. That small amount of
increase may not even be noticable though. But at least now I can
go out and get signal readings..

Until the next time; 73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 29 22:43:33 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR
	"
In-Reply-To: <165080.5638.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <165080.5638.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP86C69A800D3748E0478F47E9460@phx.gbl>

Hi Andy:
Solid copy of  your QRSS120 here this evening. until a short time ago - 
and your signal stopped in mid character and then another carrier suddenly 
appeared just aat 298.9.
Have you had a sudden change ?

Mitch  at 523 miles
On 2010-10-29, at 11:35 AM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:

> Hello all:
> 


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 23:00:57 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR "-
	OK- WOW
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP86C69A800D3748E0478F47E9460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <983290.91222.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mitch, and lowFERs:

No, nothing changed, I just put the beacon in tune mode to go out 
and drive around my usual route to see if the un-explained increase
in RF current was really going into the air... It definitely is..
The S-meter reading at set points is higher, and I heard the beacon
in places I have never heard it before. And the places where I do
hear it, was much stronger. I usually have to pull over to the 
side of the road and turn off the motor to hear the signal; not
tonite. I was able to just drive my signal circle, and could hear
it with the motor running...

Now; here's my thought of what might be going on. I mentioned that
the newly driven ground rod is not connected to anything. That may
not be completely true, IF !! you consider a hole filled with
water as a connection ?? Even though there is no physical bond
to the rod; There may very well be a chemical connection. Since 
the ground is not fully dry from the recent rain; when I filled
the hole with water, that may have made a connection to the rod
thru the damp soil...

Any thoughts on that ??  -- Anyone ?? 


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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http://ku4xr.webs.com

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--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> From: Mitch Powell <mitch.powell at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR "
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 10:43 PM
> Hi Andy:
> Solid copy of? your QRSS120 here this evening. until a
> short time ago - 
> and your signal stopped in mid character and then another
> carrier suddenly 
> appeared just aat 298.9.
> Have you had a sudden change ?
> 
> Mitch? at 523 miles
> On 2010-10-29, at 11:35 AM, Andy - KU4XR wrote:
> 
> > Hello all:
> > 
> 
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From w5jgv at spectrotek.com  Fri Oct 29 23:28:35 2010
From: w5jgv at spectrotek.com (Ralph W5JGV)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:28:35 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR
	"-OK- WOW
In-Reply-To: <983290.91222.qm@web63608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHAENDGMAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>

> Now; here's my thought of what might be going on. I mentioned that
> the newly driven ground rod is not connected to anything. That may
> not be completely true, IF !! you consider a hole filled with
> water as a connection ?? Even though there is no physical bond
> to the rod; There may very well be a chemical connection. Since
> the ground is not fully dry from the recent rain; when I filled
> the hole with water, that may have made a connection to the rod
> thru the damp soil...
>
> Any thoughts on that ??  -- Anyone ??

Well... you could always pull the rod out of the ground and see if the
antenna current changes back again. <G>

73,

Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7


From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 00:02:44 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR
	"-OK- WOW
In-Reply-To: <JNEOJEBJLOAJOKLICDKHAENDGMAA.w5jgv@spectrotek.com>
Message-ID: <329740.14692.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Ralph W5JGV <w5jgv at spectrotek.com> wrote:

> Well... you could always pull the rod out of the ground and
> see if the antenna current changes back again. <G>
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ralph  W5JGV - WD2XSH/7
_________________________________________

Hmmmmm; Iyyeeee doen tink so.....

BTW, when I went mobile to check the signal, the rig was still
set to 495 KHz, and you were armchair copy at 10:45 pm EDST


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

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--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Ralph W5JGV <w5jgv at spectrotek.com> wrote:

> From: Ralph W5JGV <w5jgv at spectrotek.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lowfer] Reason for QRSS-180 transmission at lowFER Beacon " XR "-OK- WOW
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 11:28 PM
> > Now; here's my thought of what
> might be going on. I mentioned that
> > the newly driven ground rod is not connected to
> anything. That may
> > not be completely true, IF !! you consider a hole
> filled with
> > water as a connection ?? Even though there is no
> physical bond
> > to the rod; There may very well be a chemical
> connection. Since
> > the ground is not fully dry from the recent rain; when
> I filled
> > the hole with water, that may have made a connection
> to the rod
> > thru the damp soil...
> >
> > Any thoughts on that ??? -- Anyone ??
> 
> Well... you could always pull the rod out of the ground and
> see if the
> antenna current changes back again. <G>
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ralph? W5JGV - WD2XSH/7
> 
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 00:04:59 2010
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:04:59 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
References: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>
Message-ID: <001101cb77e7$bf5c5080$f5a4f604@mainframe>

WTF is that used for???

Kurt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlie , W5COV" <cvest at cox.net>

I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG resistors 
that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source 
to buy them for a reasonable price ?


From clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 05:24:37 2010
From: clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk (Clive S Carver)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:24:37 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
In-Reply-To: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>
References: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>
Message-ID: <71E737D434EB4BA1AD118205746214B1@STUDY>

Hi Charlie

In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/

This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15

Cheers!

73's

Clive

GW4EYO
Ex GW8AOC

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA LIST; SHMRG
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )

I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG resistors
that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
to buy them for a reasonable price ?

There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for .

I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
.

I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 .

Thanks ,

Charlie , W5COV
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From clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 05:27:57 2010
From: clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk (Clive S Carver)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:27:57 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
In-Reply-To: <71E737D434EB4BA1AD118205746214B1@STUDY>
References: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>
	<71E737D434EB4BA1AD118205746214B1@STUDY>
Message-ID: <5DDDE8420C184FC7A0D17A6D06B6798F@STUDY>

You need to cut and paste that long web address to get it to work.
Everything including http through to y=15

73's

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Clive S Carver
Sent: 30 October 2010 10:25
To: 'Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp;UK) and MedFer bands'
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )

Hi Charlie

In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/

This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15

Cheers!

73's

Clive

GW4EYO
Ex GW8AOC

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA LIST; SHMRG
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )

I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG resistors
that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
to buy them for a reasonable price ?

There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for .

I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
.

I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 .

Thanks ,

Charlie , W5COV
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 05:48:31 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] A coincidental observation here...
In-Reply-To: <979184.96109.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <979184.96109.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimosAz6sJ=7nmt2DLNUmTkeDU-+VYbOwDzoVE_0@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting observation. I suppose the more copper you have in the
ground around the antenna, the better your current will be, but I
wouldn't think a single unconnected ground rod would make a
difference. I remember that some people have had success with laying
out chicken wire on the ground and tying it to ground.

Doug - KB4OER

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Having done about all I can to the antenna itself, I started to
> try improving the ground system by installing 2 more ground rods
> spaced 8 feet out from the base of the antenna in a triangle
> layout, and connected back to the rod underneath the antenna,
> as well as connected to each other.
> I have the first one driven in to 7 feet, 3 inches. The last foot
> of driving took 2 hours, and wore me out. Now here's what I'm
> seeing on the RF current meter tonite, after driving the rod into
> the ground.... The antenna current usually runs 157 MilliAmps,
> but after driving the rod into the ground, it is now reading
> 162 MilliAmps at 1 watt input.. The rod IS NOT connected to
> anything, it is just there.. The majority of this stuff I don't
> understand, and I certainly don't see how an un-connected ground
> rod could affect the antenna to cause a change in current.
> I plan to drive the other rod in tomorrow if I can, and I'll
> watch to see if anything changes in the tuning after driving it
> in the ground but not connecting it to anything.
> Before I do anything else; I'll go out in the mobile, and at a
> spot where I know what S-meter reading I should get; I'll see if
> the meter reading has any change at all. That small amount of
> increase may not even be noticable though. But at least now I can
> go out and get signal readings..
>
> Until the next time; 73 all:
>
>
> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
>
> **** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****
>
> Coordinates: ?N: ?35? 43' 54" - W: ?84? 3' 16"
>
> http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr
>
> http://ku4xr.webs.com
>
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Oct 30 06:01:57 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:01:57 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
References: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>
	<71E737D434EB4BA1AD118205746214B1@STUDY>
Message-ID: <001201cb7819$7d351f20$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Mouser stocks 10M in at least carbon film ... 

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clive S Carver" <clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp;UK) and MedFer bands'" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )


> Hi Charlie
> 
> In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
> part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
> and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/
> 
> This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-
> 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
> ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 73's
> 
> Clive
> 
> GW4EYO
> Ex GW8AOC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
> Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
> To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA LIST; SHMRG
> Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
> 
> I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG resistors
> that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
> to buy them for a reasonable price ?
> 
> There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
> some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for .
> 
> I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
> .
> 
> I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 .
> 
> Thanks ,
> 
> Charlie , W5COV
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 06:11:01 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:11:01 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD3Rfe1LQ7sqg6O+YewZ23VaPMNmuQTpaprDO5@mail.gmail.com>

Gotcha (I think)! Distance between us is 563 miles, according to qrz.com.

Receiver is Icom R-75 with an AMRAD clone LF converter with OCXO for
stability (built by Todd, WD4NGG). Antenna is a Wellbrook LFL1010 and
KIWA 500 kHz lowpass filter.

Best 73,
Doug

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/cap00010.jpg



On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:
> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset for slow.
>
> thanks for listening
> Paul k5wms
>
> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
>> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
>> list indicates?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
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> Paul Daulton K5WMS
> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
> em34wu
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 06:13:52 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:13:52 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] beacon WMS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD3Rfe1LQ7sqg6O+YewZ23VaPMNmuQTpaprDO5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikD3Rfe1LQ7sqg6O+YewZ23VaPMNmuQTpaprDO5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTintVDybsojevqJuqFBS_MLva9k_D+W3RY-CS7BX@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, in the screen capture, 800Hz on Argo corresponds to 185.302 kHz.
That's XR at 797 kHz. He has a "big" signal here. ;-)

D.

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Douglas D. Williams <kb4oer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gotcha (I think)! Distance between us is 563 miles, according to qrz.com.
>
> Receiver is Icom R-75 with an AMRAD clone LF converter with OCXO for
> stability (built by Todd, WD4NGG). Antenna is a Wellbrook LFL1010 and
> KIWA 500 kHz lowpass filter.
>
> Best 73,
> Doug
>
> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/cap00010.jpg
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Paul Daulton <k5wms at centurytel.net> wrote:
>> WMS ison. Best copied on argo qrss30 with speedset for slow.
>>
>> thanks for listening
>> Paul k5wms
>>
>> Quoting "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>:
>>> Trying to receive WMS and/or UWL tonight. Anyone know if these beacons
>>> are still "on the air" and still running QRSS30, as the LWCA beacon
>>> list indicates?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>> Paul Daulton K5WMS
>> beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
>> Jacksonville,Ar 72076
>> em34wu
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From stevesykes at rochester.rr.com  Sat Oct 30 06:41:28 2010
From: stevesykes at rochester.rr.com (Steve Sykes)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:41:28 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF WSPR
In-Reply-To: <B346B946-427C-47A3-91BB-6CD85EF832A1@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <4CCAADFA.2020808@rochester.rr.com>
	<B346B946-427C-47A3-91BB-6CD85EF832A1@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <4CCBF658.9030809@rochester.rr.com>


J.B.

Thanks for the info.  It does seem to me that all the users could be on 
same frequency as the bandwidth required for each transmitter is quite 
small. I will have to watch more to see if I see any UK, EU signals.
By the way, your beacon on 188.830 is the only only one I see anymore. 
Many times it is visible in the daytime. For some reason I don't see 
activity at the watering hole like I did last season.

73
Steve KD2OM

On 10/29/2010 10:32 AM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:
> Hello Steve, Lowfers,
>
> It appears that most of the North American stations are on 501.1 rather than 503.9, so doing the math
> you are set up OK for receiving them.  501100 - 1500 = 499600, so your dial on 499.6 kHz. is fine for
> listening/watching of NA stations.
>
> As to why the stations on this side of the pond have slid down to 499.6 may be  that NA stations won't
> interfere with EU&  UK ops on 502.4 kHz.  It makes sense to do that, as a lot of us both here and there
> want to listen/watch for trans Atlantic WSPR signals.
>
> It's very similar to the different frequencies used for QRSS on 2200 meters.  One for east and one for
> west, which has worked out well.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
>
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
>
>
>
>
>
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From w9sz.zack at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 08:55:14 2010
From: w9sz.zack at gmail.com (Zack Widup)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:55:14 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
In-Reply-To: <71E737D434EB4BA1AD118205746214B1@STUDY>
References: <A9C2359892BE49959A24708FD47C57D0@MAIN>
	<71E737D434EB4BA1AD118205746214B1@STUDY>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimnUWRNYugQirUqp+7c-F1REOWn+Y_V_z-3nXJ6@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. I was not aware until this thread that 1 gigohm resistors
were even made. I am also curious what they are to be used for.

RS Components does have them in stock and not that expensive. 1 watt
values?  I guess 31,000 volts isn't that difficult to generate.

73, Zack W9SZ


On 10/30/10, Clive S Carver <clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Charlie
>
> In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
> part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
> and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/
>
> This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-
>
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
> ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15
>
> Cheers!
>
> 73's
>
> Clive
>
> GW4EYO
> Ex GW8AOC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
> Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
> To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA LIST; SHMRG
> Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
>
> I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG resistors
> that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
> to buy them for a reasonable price ?
>
> There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
> some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for .
>
> I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
> .
>
> I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 .
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Charlie , W5COV
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sat Oct 30 10:19:52 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LF WSPR
In-Reply-To: <4CCBF658.9030809@rochester.rr.com>
References: <4CCAADFA.2020808@rochester.rr.com>
	<B346B946-427C-47A3-91BB-6CD85EF832A1@hurontel.on.ca>
	<4CCBF658.9030809@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <D6FF2262-FF69-49FB-9E17-5E221E9AF47F@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Steve, Lowfers,

Thanks for the report on EAR.  I've managed to snag one TA using WSPR on 502.4 (dial), namely PA0A.
That was last January or February, if I recall correctly.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct 30 10:27:52 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:27:52 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
Message-ID: <20101030102752.bn9hzj1yhb4gg0ok@webmail2.centurytel.net>

I seem to remember Radio Shack owns Allied Electronics. They used to 
put out large catalog like Mouser and Newark. 
Paul k5wms

Quoting Zack Widup <w9sz.zack at gmail.com>:
> Interesting. I was not aware until this thread that 1 gigohm resistors
> were even made. I am also curious what they are to be used for. 
>
> RS Components does have them in stock and not that expensive. 1 watt
> values?  I guess 31,000 volts isn't that difficult to generate. 
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On 10/30/10, Clive S Carver <clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Charlie
> >
> > In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
> > part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
> > and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/
> >
> > This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-
> >
> > 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
> > ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Clive
> >
> > GW4EYO
> > Ex GW8AOC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> > On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
> > Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
> > To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA 
> LIST; SHMRG
> > Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
> >
> > I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG 
> resistors
> > that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
> > to buy them for a reasonable price ?
> >
> > There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
> > some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for . 
> >
> > I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
> > . 
> >
> > I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 . 
> >
> > Thanks ,
> >
> > Charlie , W5COV
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Sat Oct 30 10:50:21 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:50:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
Message-ID: <1086616523.788208.1288450221635.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>

Paul,

   Radio Shack doesn't own Allied, Allied was the parts and distribution arm of Columbia Radio Corporation(1928) and was latter acquired by Electrocomponents of the U.K. (1999)

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 30, 2010 10:28:01 AM, k5wms at centurytel.net wrote:

===========================================

I seem to remember Radio Shack owns Allied Electronics. They used to 
put out large catalog like Mouser and Newark. 
Paul k5wms

Quoting Zack Widup :
> Interesting. I was not aware until this thread that 1 gigohm resistors
> were even made. I am also curious what they are to be used for. 
>
> RS Components does have them in stock and not that expensive. 1 watt
> values?  I guess 31,000 volts isn't that difficult to generate. 
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On 10/30/10, Clive S Carver  wrote:
> > Hi Charlie
> >
> > In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
> > part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
> > and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/
> >
> > This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-
> >
> > 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
> > ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Clive
> >
> > GW4EYO
> > Ex GW8AOC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> > On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
> > Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
> > To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA 
> LIST; SHMRG
> > Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
> >
> > I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG 
> resistors
> > that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
> > to buy them for a reasonable price ?
> >
> > There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
> > some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for . 
> >
> > I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
> > . 
> >
> > I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 . 
> >
> > Thanks ,
> >
> > Charlie , W5COV
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Lowfer mailing list
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Sat Oct 30 11:03:20 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:03:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
Message-ID: <155468991.788341.1288451000253.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>

Correction - Paul you were right, Tandy Corp did own both Allied and Radio Shack for a while, but in 1973 a Court order forced them to become separate. In 1999 the U.K. company bought Allied so now they are completely different companies.

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 30, 2010 10:28:01 AM, k5wms at centurytel.net wrote:

===========================================

I seem to remember Radio Shack owns Allied Electronics. They used to 
put out large catalog like Mouser and Newark. 
Paul k5wms

Quoting Zack Widup :
> Interesting. I was not aware until this thread that 1 gigohm resistors
> were even made. I am also curious what they are to be used for. 
>
> RS Components does have them in stock and not that expensive. 1 watt
> values?  I guess 31,000 volts isn't that difficult to generate. 
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On 10/30/10, Clive S Carver  wrote:
> > Hi Charlie
> >
> > In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar looking
> > part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade worldwide
> > and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/
> >
> > This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-
> >
> > 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
> > ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Clive
> >
> > GW4EYO
> > Ex GW8AOC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> > On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
> > Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
> > To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA 
> LIST; SHMRG
> > Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
> >
> > I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG 
> resistors
> > that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a source
> > to buy them for a reasonable price ?
> >
> > There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
> > some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for . 
> >
> > I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are available
> > . 
> >
> > I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 . 
> >
> > Thanks ,
> >
> > Charlie , W5COV
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From cvest at cox.net  Sat Oct 30 11:16:57 2010
From: cvest at cox.net (Charlie , W5COV)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
References: <20101030102752.bn9hzj1yhb4gg0ok@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <ED339064BDC848AB99EAF22F4074D23C@MAIN>

Thanks to Clive and the rest of the group .

I actually have a couple of projects in the design and very early building 
stage and will soon be in the testing stage .

The resistors will be used with op-amps to get measurable voltages from low 
input current op-amps .

I have seen these resistors used in sensitive instruments in the medical 
field and also I believe in Geiger counters .

One project is certainly radio related in the VLF range for taking sensitive 
measurements .

Right now it is based on an effort to prove a theory , that may or may not 
prove to be valid .

As work progresses on it , I will be posting more information .

Thanks to everyone for their help and comments . I knew the query would 
probably generate a bit of head scratching , but I needed the help of a 
group of people with great knowledge in building and experimenting , in 
order to first locate the oddball parts that I was looking for .

My DC to 2 MHz. lab is busy this time of year with strange / weird  projects 
:)

73 , Charlie , W5COV 


From clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 12:34:25 2010
From: clive at ancient-mariner.co.uk (Clive S Carver)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:34:25 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
In-Reply-To: <155468991.788341.1288451000253.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <155468991.788341.1288451000253.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8E43D1398BCD4FD1BE89D5E81A03A657@STUDY>

The company RS Components originally traded as Radio Spares Limited (ie
Radio Spares inc in US terminology) They were set up in the 1930s in London.
They sold universal spares for radio receivers and TV sets. As that trade
dropped off they began to specialise in Electronics and Electrical
components. So they rebranded as RS Components. Their parent company is
Electrocomponents plc. http://www.electrocomponents.com/ecm/ir/ gives the
details. 

I remember their catalogue from the 1960s, just a few pages. Their catalogue
now runs to thousands of pages.  Progress!

It was unfortunate that Radio Shack or Tandy as it was known in the UK also
used part numbers which started RS - as a result many many people make a
connection between RS Components and Radio Shack which was simply not there
in the past. RS Components would NEVER sell to individuals. It took much
much work on my part to obtain an account with them in the late 1970s, which
I still have. Since that time they have changed their policy and will now
sell to whoever wishes to pay.

The big bonus for UK account holders is FREE courier next day delivery in
the UK, even for a single item.

73's

Clive

-----Original Message-----
From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of k2ors at verizon.net
Sent: 30 October 2010 16:03
To: k5wms at centurytel.net
Cc: lowfer at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )

Correction - Paul you were right, Tandy Corp did own both Allied and Radio
Shack for a while, but in 1973 a Court order forced them to become separate.
In 1999 the U.K. company bought Allied so now they are completely different
companies.

73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 30, 2010 10:28:01 AM, k5wms at centurytel.net wrote:

===========================================

I seem to remember Radio Shack owns Allied Electronics. They used to 
put out large catalog like Mouser and Newark. 
Paul k5wms

Quoting Zack Widup :
> Interesting. I was not aware until this thread that 1 gigohm resistors
> were even made. I am also curious what they are to be used for. 
>
> RS Components does have them in stock and not that expensive. 1 watt
> values?  I guess 31,000 volts isn't that difficult to generate. 
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On 10/30/10, Clive S Carver  wrote:
> > Hi Charlie
> >
> > In the UK you can get them from RS Components (NOTE despite similar
looking
> > part number style, this is NOT Radio Shack). RS Components trade
worldwide
> > and in the USA are known as http://www.alliedelec.com/
> >
> > This is a link for high ohmic resistors on their uk website:-
> >
> > 
>
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProd
> > ucts&searchTerm=high+ohmic&x=9&y=15
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Clive
> >
> > GW4EYO
> > Ex GW8AOC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:lowfer-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> > On Behalf Of Charlie , W5COV
> > Sent: 30 October 2010 03:18
> > To: glowbugradio at yahoogroups.com; tetrode at googlegroups.com; LWCA 
> LIST; SHMRG
> > Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
> >
> > I know this is a long shot , but does anyone have any spare 10 GIG 
> resistors
> > that they are willing to part with at a decent price , or know of a
source
> > to buy them for a reasonable price ?
> >
> > There are a couple on the bay , but I thought perhaps someone might have
> > some in their junk boxes that they might not have a use for . 
> >
> > I only require a couple , but would take a few spares if they are
available
> > . 
> >
> > I prefer 10 GIG , but would consider anything from 1 to 10 . 
> >
> > Thanks ,
> >
> > Charlie , W5COV
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Lowfer mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer
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From alan.melia at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 30 13:29:00 2010
From: alan.melia at btinternet.com (Alan Melia)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:29:00 +0100
Subject: [Lowfer] RS, Allied, Electrocomponents etc
Message-ID: <006c01cb7857$f592af30$4001a8c0@lark>

It may be interesting to you to know where the RS name on the UK distributor
comes from. After the WWII (it may have been active before but I doubt it)
there were a lot of small workshops repairing old domestic radios and some
of the brand new televisions. The firm Radiospares was set up to supply
these and had reps on the road who would carry samples and take orders, deal
with complaints or returns. The reps were still visiting my company in
the1990s. They hated being refered to as "the man from Radiospares"....but
it was a good wind-up. Their title of RS Components was a 70s "rebranding"
exercise as they branched out to supply a wider range of product. This
possibly occured after a take-over or merger by Electrocomponents, a
competitor. Their existance and also the existance of a firm already called
called The Radio Shack but with no connection, in the UK prevented the using
the name in this country and so they traded as Tandy in the late 70s.

Alan G3NYK



From dexter.mc at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 14:30:10 2010
From: dexter.mc at gmail.com (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:30:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Allied Radio
In-Reply-To: <20101030102752.bn9hzj1yhb4gg0ok@webmail2.centurytel.net>
References: <20101030102752.bn9hzj1yhb4gg0ok@webmail2.centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <4CCC6432.9060400@gmail.com>

History of Allied Radio on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Radio

Allied marketed Knight Kits.  I built and still have several of the 
Knight Kits I built during the 60s.  Among those are the Star Roamer 
receiver, T-150 transmitter, R-100 receiver.  These kits were similar to 
Heath Kits but a bit more affordable.  Allied was at that time a very 
friendly ham oriented company.  All changed when Tandy Corp acquired 
Allied in 1970 and started opening Radio Shack stores.  Thats one 
reason, but not the only reason,  I never liked Radio Shack :)  Another 
reason is how aggressively RS competed with Lafayette Radio by opening 
stores close by. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafayette_Radio

Knight Kits:

http://www.nostalgickitscentral.com/allied/allied.html

Dex

From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct 30 15:00:49 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:00:49 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] Allied Radio
Message-ID: <20101030150048.hhb3wtqo9pcgk80c@webmail2.centurytel.net>

The fellow who used to answer the phone at DC electronics in Scottsdale 
AZ was an engineer at Allied back in the 50's and 60's we've had some 
interesting conversations about Knight kits and test equipment. I have 
a mint condition sweep generator made by knight back in the '60s, I 
picked it up for $5.00 at a hamfest. Dozens of my novice friends had 
the T50 which was a clone( at about half the price) of a Johnson 
Adventurer. Layfaette has some really good gear, particularly the 
HA-350 which sold for $189 later at $129. It had a mechanical filter 
and crystal controled front end. I had one . It was as good as the 
Drake 2b, similarity between the Ha 350 and later Yaesu's makes me 
think it was made by Yaseu. 

Radio Shack has shifted away from the small parts and seems to 
concentrate on selling cell phones to people with bad credit. While the 
local store no longer carries such items as 8pin dip sockets and buss 
wire, these and many other items are still available online. A couple 
of my friends owned Radio Shack stores in small towns, both say a large 
percentage of their profits came from the small parts in blister packs. 
Sad that Radio Shack has quit promoting that business. RS prices on 
computers printers and other items are not competitive at all. I dont 
see how they stay in business. 

Paul k5wms

Quoting Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>:
> History of Allied Radio on Wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Radio
>
> Allied marketed Knight Kits.  I built and still have several of the
> Knight Kits I built during the 60s.  Among those are the Star Roamer
> receiver, T-150 transmitter, R-100 receiver.  These kits were similar to
> Heath Kits but a bit more affordable.  Allied was at that time a very
> friendly ham oriented company.  All changed when Tandy Corp acquired
> Allied in 1970 and started opening Radio Shack stores.  Thats one
> reason, but not the only reason,  I never liked Radio Shack :)  Another
> reason is how aggressively RS competed with Lafayette Radio by opening
> stores close by. 
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafayette_Radio
>
> Knight Kits:
>
> http://www.nostalgickitscentral.com/allied/allied.html
>
> Dex
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em34wu


From k5wms at centurytel.net  Sat Oct 30 14:33:22 2010
From: k5wms at centurytel.net (Paul Daulton)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:33:22 GMT
Subject: [Lowfer] RS, Allied, Electrocomponents etc
Message-ID: <20101030143322.fnwwoek271cg8kwc@webmail2.centurytel.net>

I find the history of our hobby, the manufacturers, and suppliers to be 
very interesting. 

Our President Truman once said " The only thing about the future we 
don't know is the history we havent read."

Thanks for your comments,Alan

73 Paul Daulton k5wms

Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia at btinternet.com>:
> It may be interesting to you to know where the RS name on the UK distributor
> comes from. After the WWII (it may have been active before but I doubt it)
> there were a lot of small workshops repairing old domestic radios and some
> of the brand new televisions. The firm Radiospares was set up to supply
> these and had reps on the road who would carry samples and take orders, deal
> with complaints or returns. The reps were still visiting my company in
> the1990s. They hated being refered to as "the man from Radiospares"....but
> it was a good wind-up. Their title of RS Components was a 70s "rebranding"
> exercise as they branched out to supply a wider range of product. This
> possibly occured after a take-over or merger by Electrocomponents, a
> competitor. Their existance and also the existance of a firm already called
> called The Radio Shack but with no connection, in the UK prevented the using
> the name in this country and so they traded as Tandy in the late 70s. 
>
> Alan G3NYK
>
>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 18:38:23 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] " XR " off tonite to listen for " SJ "
Message-ID: <23100.9142.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Sal will be running QRSS-20 overnight on 186.850 KHz. A planned sked,
I'm sure he would like reports from anyone else too. Trying out my
lowFER vertical on receive tonite... 73 all


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 19:04:54 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] New ground rods driven, and connected
Message-ID: <573893.91035.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

It took the better part of the day, but I have the 2 new rods in
the ground and connected to the ground rod underneath the antenna.
So now I have a 7 foot triangle under the lowFER vertical.
The ground rods are connected to each other, and the radials run
from the one at the base of the antenna. After physically
connecting the ground rods to the system, I saw no change in the
RF current from Fri. night...still at 162 MilliAmps at 1 watt.
Did a quick drive around ( daylight ) and didn't seem to notice
any stronger signal from the beacon than Fri. night. I was getting
a better signal in the mobile at night, but it now seems to be as
strong day or night after all the recent grounding I have done.
And; the S-meter is reading 1/2 S-unit higher now too. If the 
theorectical rule is true here, I have possibly gained an extra
3dB after all the grounding efforts. The first " stable " antenna
current reading on the new antenna was 142 MilliAmps. Now, with
many days, and lots of work; the RF current is at 162 MilliAmps.
That is a " worth all the extra effort " increase. Not only is it
showing on the meter, but it is also radiating it !! That's !! the
good part about all of it.. Now it's time to rest for awhile and
see what the antenna can do... Just itchin to get the transverter 
going and start trying some digimodes on 1750 meters...SOON !!

73 all, and enjoy the rest of your weekend: 


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm

From lloydc6 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 19:59:24 2010
From: lloydc6 at gmail.com (lloyd chastant)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:59:24 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ tonite
Message-ID: <AANLkTikA7b=Sy6WxL_eXGYZFvt187iyvPUyVzXK5jcNc@mail.gmail.com>

A bit of qrn but did get a rough copy..early in the evening
de Lloyd W3NF

http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/sj.jpg

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 20:03:00 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ tonite
Message-ID: <514759.95521.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

And if the attachment comes thru, here is how he is coming in
at 718 miles in Friendsville, TN. I started getting his signal
the instant he turned his transmitter on at around 7 pm EDST
The lowFER vertical is doing pretty good on receive...

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm


--- On Sat, 10/30/10, lloyd chastant <lloydc6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: lloyd chastant <lloydc6 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Lowfer] SJ tonite
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &, UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 7:59 PM
> A bit of qrn but did get a rough
> copy..early in the evening
> de Lloyd W3NF
> 
> http://cw3nf.fortunecity.com/sj.jpg
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 19:45:55 2010
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] ODD RESISTORS NEEDED ( 10 GIG )
References: <155468991.788341.1288451000253.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <021201cb788f$6d7b6190$daa3f604@mainframe>

Tandy is still around, I buy leather and tools from them.

Kurt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <k2ors at verizon.net>

Correction - Paul you were right, Tandy Corp did own both Allied and Radio 
Shack for a while, but in 1973 a Court order forced them to become separate. 


From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 21:04:31 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:04:31 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in TN
Message-ID: <AANLkTinU17rRbP6GBXaDqzo-Fh_VW98g2z4Z1XfFfUZa@mail.gmail.com>

Well, this has been a good weekend so far! Last night WMS, and tonight
EAR. Distance: 510 miles. Seems to have faded now, but I'll keep the
screen captures going all night.

Best 73,
Doug - KB4OER

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/ear.jpg

From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Sat Oct 30 22:19:30 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in TN
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinU17rRbP6GBXaDqzo-Fh_VW98g2z4Z1XfFfUZa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinU17rRbP6GBXaDqzo-Fh_VW98g2z4Z1XfFfUZa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP13F767B3654A2E6E24AA07E9470@phx.gbl>

Doug:
Can you take a try for M P on 137780.4   QRSS60 ?
Sounds like you've got a good night.

Thanks

Mitch
On 2010-10-30, at 9:04 PM, Douglas D. Williams wrote:

> Well, this has been a good weekend so far! Last night WMS, and tonight
> EAR. Distance: 510 miles. Seems to have faded now, but I'll keep the
> screen captures going all night.
> 
> Best 73,
> Doug - KB4OER
> 
> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/ear.jpg
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 22:55:07 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:55:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ tonite
In-Reply-To: <514759.95521.qm@web63603.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <883543.73842.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

At about 10:45 pm ( 2:45 UTC ) Sal made a change of some sort.
His frequency started jumping around, and then BOOM almost like
he turned the afterburner on... Very strong for QRSS-20


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

*** The 5 most important words ever spoken ***

http://ku4xr.webs.com/5mostimportantwords.htm



From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 30 23:43:52 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] 137 kHz
Message-ID: <4CCCE5F8.4020506@sbcglobal.net>

Plenty of activity tonight on 137 kHz. ARGO, QRSS30 slow showing XNS on 
137.781, MP on 137.7805, XGJ on 1`37.7798, and XKO on 137.7775 in NE IL.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From wa3usg at verizon.net  Sun Oct 31 06:04:44 2010
From: wa3usg at verizon.net (Dick Goodman)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 06:04:44 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ in Mechanicsburg, PA.
Message-ID: <LBENKNHPADCIMLPCBOKNCELLEHAA.wa3usg@verizon.net>

Super copy of Lowfer beacon "SJ" in Mechanicsburg, PA. Not super DX but a
good 232 miles according to my PC. The LF band is quieting down nicely now.
Old Man Winter is on the way.

http://mysite.verizon.net/wa3usg/capt00028.jpg

73
Dick, WA3USG
Mechanicsburg, PA.
FN10LE



From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 07:46:20 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 07:46:20 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in TN
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP13F767B3654A2E6E24AA07E9470@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTinU17rRbP6GBXaDqzo-Fh_VW98g2z4Z1XfFfUZa@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP13F767B3654A2E6E24AA07E9470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinyuhuL2b57z4Sd9L5nh-HfZrNrUiQxqehhaXWt@mail.gmail.com>

Doh, I didn't get this until just now, so I had left Argo capturing
EAR all night. I'll try for MP tonight. I did quickly check, and there
was a strong QRSS signal on that frequency, but now the sun is rising
and it will probably fade.

I did get a better screen capture of EAR around 0230 local time.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/ear2.jpg

73,
Doug - KB4OER- EM86ui

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Mitch Powell
<mitch.powell at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Doug:
> Can you take a try for M P on 137780.4 ? QRSS60 ?
> Sounds like you've got a good night.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch
> On 2010-10-30, at 9:04 PM, Douglas D. Williams wrote:
>
>> Well, this has been a good weekend so far! Last night WMS, and tonight
>> EAR. Distance: 510 miles. Seems to have faded now, but I'll keep the
>> screen captures going all night.
>>
>> Best 73,
>> Doug - KB4OER
>>
>> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/ear.jpg
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From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 08:06:44 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:06:44 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] narrow filters
Message-ID: <AANLkTikH+pFiePDcOpKS9dOvJmSwhXEPX0VO1cCb11sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Since LF activity really seems to be picking up, I went ahead and
ordered the 250Hz 455kHz IF filter for my R75. This, combined with my
current 500Hz, 9MHz IF filter, should give the receiver good
selectivity. In your opinions, would I see any additional benefit in
getting an even narrower external audio filter? Some of the DSP units
can provide selectivity down to 20Hz! I'm not sure if this amount of
selectivity would help when trying for QRSS signals. I suppose it
could be of benefit when listening for NDBs. Opinions?

-Doug KB4OER

From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 31 08:48:30 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:48:30 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] narrow filters
References: <AANLkTikH+pFiePDcOpKS9dOvJmSwhXEPX0VO1cCb11sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801cb78f9$eb803970$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

Doug

It's been my experience that narrow selectivity in the receiver i-f offers no improvement when using 
FFT programs ... unless you are trying to remove an interfering signal. Narrowing the receiver i-f 
bandpass can actually be counterproductive in the presence of QRN as narrow filters tend to stretch 
the impulse noise. I typically run the widest i-f bandwidth available unless interfering signals are 
present. The improvement using wider i-f bandwidths is more noticeable during the summer months with 
higher QRN levels.

Listening by ear is a different animal.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp,UK) and MedFer bands" <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:06 AM
Subject: [Lowfer] narrow filters


> Since LF activity really seems to be picking up, I went ahead and
> ordered the 250Hz 455kHz IF filter for my R75. This, combined with my
> current 500Hz, 9MHz IF filter, should give the receiver good
> selectivity. In your opinions, would I see any additional benefit in
> getting an even narrower external audio filter? Some of the DSP units
> can provide selectivity down to 20Hz! I'm not sure if this amount of
> selectivity would help when trying for QRSS signals. I suppose it
> could be of benefit when listening for NDBs. Opinions?
>
> -Doug KB4OER
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From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 31 09:02:33 2010
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry Hess)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Navtex
Message-ID: <4CCD68E9.6020007@sbcglobal.net>

Only noted SJ weakly due to new interference on the Part15 spectrum but 
it was a good night for Navtex decodes in NE IL. Just after $04G, New 
Orleans went QRT and before $04W, Nuuk, Greenland came on got a "K" 
station message at 0730Z. That doesn't match the scheduled time for 
$15K, Puerto Mont, Chile. nor does it appear in any station list I have. 
Probably an error, but if anyone knows what this might be I'd appreciate 
hearing from them. Several messages from $12X, Kodiak, AK were decoded 
0745-0800Z, when $04A, Miami, FL came up. First $12W, Astoria, OR decode 
was 0604Z.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

From w1tag at charter.net  Sun Oct 31 09:17:05 2010
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:17:05 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] narrow filters
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikH+pFiePDcOpKS9dOvJmSwhXEPX0VO1cCb11sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikH+pFiePDcOpKS9dOvJmSwhXEPX0VO1cCb11sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CCD6C51.9080903@charter.net>

Doug,

I'll agree with Jay on the FFT programs, never having seen a situation 
where playing with audio levels, contrast or color couldn't produce the 
same results.

But for copying regular-speed CW signals such as NDBs, an external audio 
filter can be a big help. I picked up an HP 3581A from eBay, and its 30 
Hz or even 10 Hz positions do make a difference. That said, watching the 
CW signal on Spectran accomplishes about the same thing, with similar 
minimum thresholds. But it's fun to exercise your ears and brain, and to 
be able to make an audio recording. The audio filter may help.

John, W1TAG

On 10/31/2010 8:06 AM, Douglas D. Williams wrote:
> Since LF activity really seems to be picking up, I went ahead and
> ordered the 250Hz 455kHz IF filter for my R75. This, combined with my
> current 500Hz, 9MHz IF filter, should give the receiver good
> selectivity. In your opinions, would I see any additional benefit in
> getting an even narrower external audio filter? Some of the DSP units
> can provide selectivity down to 20Hz! I'm not sure if this amount of
> selectivity would help when trying for QRSS signals. I suppose it
> could be of benefit when listening for NDBs. Opinions?
>
> -Doug KB4OER
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From stevesykes at rochester.rr.com  Sun Oct 31 09:40:55 2010
From: stevesykes at rochester.rr.com (Steve Sykes)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:40:55 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] 137.781
Message-ID: <4CCD71E7.1070608@rochester.rr.com>

I am seeing MP quite well here, I can see and actually hear XGJ, I had 
XKO earlier.

The captures are at:

http://www.ecsykes.com/radio/vlf/31Oct_1.jpg
http://www.ecsykes.com/radio/vlf/31Oct_2.jpg


Steve KD2OM
FN12gx

From steveratz at wildblue.net  Sun Oct 31 10:53:00 2010
From: steveratz at wildblue.net (Steve Ratzlaff)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 07:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] narrow filters
References: <AANLkTikH+pFiePDcOpKS9dOvJmSwhXEPX0VO1cCb11sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31ADBF87B43749B594114B17224405F7@DG1R70F1>

Hi Doug,
Veteran NDB DXers such as myself who prefer aural listening for the idents 
rather than using software decoders have been using external narrow audio 
filters for many years, with excellent results. The current commercial 
favorites are the DSP filters, the MFJ 784B with about 30 Hz minimum CW 
bandwidth, and the Timewave 599zx with 18 Hz minimum CW bandwidth. (It shows 
10 Hz bandwidth but that's at -1dB bandwidth, not the normal -3dB bandwidth 
for measuring audio filters.) I currently use a homebrew 4 stage opamp 
filter with 6 Hz bandwidth. This is the best audio filter I've ever used; it 
doesn't ring either. I routinely hear weak signals that are inaudible with 
the dual 250 Hz IF filters in my R75.
73,
Steve AA7U
NE Oregon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas D. Williams" <kb4oer at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp,UK) and MedFer bands" 
<lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 AM
Subject: [Lowfer] narrow filters


> Since LF activity really seems to be picking up, I went ahead and
> ordered the 250Hz 455kHz IF filter for my R75. This, combined with my
> current 500Hz, 9MHz IF filter, should give the receiver good
> selectivity. In your opinions, would I see any additional benefit in
> getting an even narrower external audio filter? Some of the DSP units
> can provide selectivity down to 20Hz! I'm not sure if this amount of
> selectivity would help when trying for QRSS signals. I suppose it
> could be of benefit when listening for NDBs. Opinions?
>
> -Doug KB4OER


From smokinggun at verizon.net  Sun Oct 31 10:09:37 2010
From: smokinggun at verizon.net (rick kirby)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:09:37 +0000
Subject: [Lowfer] SJ in PA
Message-ID: <A9820A42F5AA45C3BA940A333A478EA7@RADIOROOM>

First SJ  capture of the season.Its not big DX but at least I know my little downconverter and single turn loop are working. Good luck Sal !

http://www.ka2pbo.com/captures/SJ10-31-2010.jpg 


  73 
      Rick  KA2PBO

From k2ors at verizon.net  Sun Oct 31 11:12:56 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:12:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 137 kHz
Message-ID: <1351833864.1001452.1288537976180.JavaMail.root@vms184.mailsrvcs.net>

Thanks Garry for the report!
73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 30, 2010 11:44:00 PM, k3siw at sbcglobal.net wrote:

===========================================

Plenty of activity tonight on 137 kHz. ARGO, QRSS30 slow showing XNS on 
137.781, MP on 137.7805, XGJ on 1`37.7798, and XKO on 137.7775 in NE IL.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From k2ors at verizon.net  Sun Oct 31 11:14:00 2010
From: k2ors at verizon.net (k2ors at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:14:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 137.781
Message-ID: <880173485.1001472.1288538040036.JavaMail.root@vms184.mailsrvcs.net>

Steve,
    Thanks for the reports and captures!
73 Warren K2ORS
          WD2XGJ
          WD2XSH/23
          WE2XEB/2
          WE2XGR/1


Oct 31, 2010 09:41:02 AM, lowfer at mailman.qth.net wrote:

===========================================

I am seeing MP quite well here, I can see and actually hear XGJ, I had 
XKO earlier.

The captures are at:

http://www.ecsykes.com/radio/vlf/31Oct_1.jpg
http://www.ecsykes.com/radio/vlf/31Oct_2.jpg


Steve KD2OM
FN12gx
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 11:58:38 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] 137 kHz in EM75xr
In-Reply-To: <4CCCE5F8.4020506@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <641754.35632.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


All Dex, all the time, on 137,775 -The super power !! " X K O " 
Not surprising though, he is almost at my back door...
Warren was, uhhhh--there.. very strong between Dex's keydowns,
a very thin line during... Someone else was below Dex, but only 
the faintest of traces, and unfortunately " MP " never stood a
chance here. This is the first night I have parked on 137.7.. KHz
in quite a while, and this is my very fast conclusion. A loop for
receiving will be a necessity, and even with a loops 20 to 30 dB
null; I don't think I could lower Dex's signal enough to give 
the more distant stations a go of it. And the super close spacing
knocks out trying the notch filter. But the band was very active
last night with QRSS signals, and that's a good thing.

73 all:


Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

http://lwca.org/community/YaBB.pl

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Oct 31 12:08:10 2010
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in TN
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinyuhuL2b57z4Sd9L5nh-HfZrNrUiQxqehhaXWt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinU17rRbP6GBXaDqzo-Fh_VW98g2z4Z1XfFfUZa@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP13F767B3654A2E6E24AA07E9470@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTinyuhuL2b57z4Sd9L5nh-HfZrNrUiQxqehhaXWt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EFA030C-4C74-493D-BC2B-7E7195904279@hurontel.on.ca>

Hi Doug, Lowfers,

Thanks for the link to your capture of beacon EAR.  Pretty solid copy for sure!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 31 17:33:42 2010
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:33:42 -0800
Subject: [Lowfer] HiFER.
References: <AANLkTik4K_0OEv7u7uA86VgKburj5oz4Sb1jMQzycsY8@mail.gmail.com><408004EAEB924A73B894D83E8E8990D6@RADIOROOM><01be01cb5b99$0b7b3960$e3a7f604@mainframe>
	<611156.16716.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01d501cb7943$af470cf0$cca3f604@mainframe>

I have a square wave in Argo around 13,556,065.89 Hz.

My math may be a little off, I'm getting over a lung infection.

Kurt

From mitch.powell at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct 31 18:56:56 2010
From: mitch.powell at sympatico.ca (Mitch Powell)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] 137.781
In-Reply-To: <4CCD71E7.1070608@rochester.rr.com>
References: <4CCD71E7.1070608@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP662E332B6609A4CB840107E9470@phx.gbl>

Thanks to Garry and Steve for the reports - nice to get confirmation that we 
are getting out. Squirrels walking on the wire - so must be warm ! 

Mitch 

On 2010-10-31, at 9:40 AM, Steve Sykes wrote:

> I am seeing MP quite well here, I can see and actually hear XGJ, I had 
> XKO earlier.


From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sun Oct 31 19:52:21 2010
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:52:21 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] cw qso 137.45 kHz
Message-ID: <000701cb7956$a909c810$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>

WD2XES and WD2XNS will be having a cw QSO tonight at 0100Z on 137.45 kHz. Other stations are welcome 
to join in. Reports appreciated.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



From kb4oer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 20:27:40 2010
From: kb4oer at gmail.com (Douglas D. Williams)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] cw qso 137.45 kHz
In-Reply-To: <000701cb7956$a909c810$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
References: <000701cb7956$a909c810$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDg8FSiimsV6inO+R8+pUBM1rEPmJH5V8WUdT9@mail.gmail.com>

XNS seems to be booming in to TN right now.

Doug - KB4OER - EM86ui

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Goranothos/xns.jpg



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM,  <jrusgrove at comcast.net> wrote:
> WD2XES and WD2XNS will be having a cw QSO tonight at 0100Z on 137.45 kHz. Other stations are welcome
> to join in. Reports appreciated.
>
> Jay W1VD ?WD2XNS ?WE2XGR/2
>
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 21:32:08 2010
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Lowfer] EAR in Friendsville, TN. - EM75xr
Message-ID: <695565.4456.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

This is the best copy of " EAR " I have gotten to date. 
The 40 foot lowFER Vertical is doing a heck of a job receiving.

73:

Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29875 KHz
 
**** Experimental QRSS-180 Transmissions ****

Coordinates:  N:  35? 43' 54" - W:  84? 3' 16"

http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr

http://ku4xr.webs.com

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