From k2ors at verizon.net  Wed Aug  1 21:33:45 2018
From: k2ors at verizon.net (Warren)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:33:45 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Transcribed weather on LF?
Message-ID: <6d5d25c7-759d-92be-bbbe-ba7802793ae3@verizon.net>

Hello the list,

 ????????? Its been quite a while since any NDBs in the northeast have 
had transcribed weather (AWOS) audio bulletins.? The last time I believe 
that I heard weather on LF was on a visit to Alaska about 14 years ago. 
Looking at Bill Hepburn's dxinfocenter web site, it seems that there 
might still be weather broadcasts in Minnesota, Louisiana, and Indiana 
in addition to Alaska. Can anyone on the list provide any info on the 
status of LF WX broadcasts in AK,IN,LA, MN or anywhere else?

Tnx & 73 Warren K2ORS






From wa3tts at verizon.net  Wed Aug  1 21:56:08 2018
From: wa3tts at verizon.net (wa3tts at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:56:08 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] NDB listed on 195 kHz
In-Reply-To: <6d5d25c7-759d-92be-bbbe-ba7802793ae3@verizon.net>
References: <6d5d25c7-759d-92be-bbbe-ba7802793ae3@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <164f8596eed-c87-1b870@webjas-vad210.srv.aolmail.net>


Somewhat related to Warrens NDB post/query I see the Hepburn LF Beacon? list now includes a new NDB on 195 kHz. It is on an offshore platform SE of Sable Island

195 kHz? ? 5C? ?CAN? NS? South Venture Platform? ? 125Watts? ?N43 59 50? W -59 37? 40


I keep meaning to listen for it,? but? I have all the rx filters setup for 137 khz on the LF converter....anyone hear it yet ?

73 Mike wa3tts








From paul at n1bug.com  Thu Aug  2 07:02:02 2018
From: paul at n1bug.com (N1BUG)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 07:02:02 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Transmitting 2200m WSPR again
Message-ID: <b26d4466-e112-ca0e-7dba-b1b83e78f6bd@n1bug.com>

Hi LFers,

I got the power supply and PA nicely installed with new cables now.
Covers on the boxes and everything. It still works! :-)

I want to see if I can again be heard by DL0AO or other DX during
summer, so I am again transmitting. For now, WSPR2 mostly during
hours of common darkness with Europe. After some days I might try
other modes, maybe WSPR15 or DFCW.

During operation last night a rain shower moved through. Antenna
resonance shifted, voltage and current went about 40 degrees out of
phase but the new PA didn't seem to mind. :-) I must get that
automatic variometer steering circuit built.

73,
Paul N1BUG

From mbdittmar at comcast.net  Thu Aug  2 09:25:18 2018
From: mbdittmar at comcast.net (mbdittmar at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 13:25:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Transcribed weather on LF?
In-Reply-To: <1513095762.6377583.1533216269035.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1800867777.6378168.1533216318444.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

I hear Batesville, Indiana AWOS on 254 khz very well here in Cincinnati with the airport current weather voice broadcast. It's on 24/7. 

Mark AB0CW 

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  2 15:48:22 2018
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 12:48:22 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Transcribed weather on LF?
In-Reply-To: <1800867777.6378168.1533216318444.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1800867777.6378168.1533216318444.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5B636006.4040702@earthlink.net>

"I hear Batesville, Indiana AWOS on 254 khz very well here in Cincinnati 
with the airport current weather voice broadcast. It's on 24/7."

I haven't heard those in years.  Th last one I listened to with a 
weather broadcast was Base Camp, operated by The Atomic Energy 
Commission, probably around 20 years ago.  I have a recording somewhere.

Kurt


From listread at lwca.org  Sat Aug  4 00:25:12 2018
From: listread at lwca.org (JD)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 01:25:12 -0300
Subject: [Lowfer] Transmitting 2200m WSPR again
In-Reply-To: <b26d4466-e112-ca0e-7dba-b1b83e78f6bd@n1bug.com>
References: <b26d4466-e112-ca0e-7dba-b1b83e78f6bd@n1bug.com>
Message-ID: <794b8fcb7a29cf9c3cec121d77532b59.squirrel@chico.spry.com>

If perchance anyone is inclined to try some North America daytime
beaconing on 2200 m, I'll be monitoring the band at least some parts of
Saturday and Sunday mornings this weekend.

This summer there's been no point in listening at night in the middle of
the Plains, when neither of the Arizona Part 5 powerhouses nor the PLC
cluster on 137.6 can make it through the QRN. Afternoons are not much
better here this year, as far as that goes; I could only manage seven
decodes of XXP all of Friday afternoon, for instance.

However, mornings are reasonably clear, from about two hours after local
sunrise to solar noon or a little later.

John

1932 -29 -1.0   0.137507  0 WH2XXP DM33 37
1940 -29 -1.0   0.137507  0 WH2XXP DM33 37
1948 -28 -1.0   0.137507  0 WH2XXP DM33 37
1952 -27 -1.1   0.137507  0 WH2XXP DM33 37
1956 -29 -1.0   0.137507  0 WH2XXP DM33 37
2012 -29 -0.9   0.137508  0 WH2XXP DM33 37
2040 -29 -1.0   0.137507  0 WH2XXP DM33 37



From n8oou at meekfarm.us  Sat Aug  4 10:06:44 2018
From: n8oou at meekfarm.us (N8OOU)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:06:44 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU trying 2200m WSPR
Message-ID: <28bc7496-44ff-c302-5dac-dde7d84ab7ae@meekfarm.us>

All

On Sat 8/4 I have started WSPR transmissions on 137540. I don't expect a 
strong signal if any at all.  I am running 5W input power into the WM 
Lowfer antenna system, with an appropriate Loading Coil. I am not sure 
that I have the proper turns on the coupling link yet, but I do see some 
mA's flowing up the vertical.

Reports are welcomed. Thanks for listening.

-- 
73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sat Aug  4 15:24:19 2018
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU trying 2200m WSPR
In-Reply-To: <28bc7496-44ff-c302-5dac-dde7d84ab7ae@meekfarm.us>
References: <28bc7496-44ff-c302-5dac-dde7d84ab7ae@meekfarm.us>
Message-ID: <8862581A-72BF-4013-ACF4-4355E7FAAB5E@hurontel.on.ca>



Hi Mike?.just now configured my station to have a look for you.  Will leave it run for the weekend.
It doesn?t automatically upload spots to WSPRnet, but I?ll post any decodes of your signals here.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From wa3tts at verizon.net  Sat Aug  4 19:31:39 2018
From: wa3tts at verizon.net (wa3tts at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 19:31:39 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU trying 2200m WSPR
In-Reply-To: <8862581A-72BF-4013-ACF4-4355E7FAAB5E@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <16507483ba0-c8f-31d1d@webjas-vad183.srv.aolmail.net>


Mike:? Likewise, I started monitoring 2200m wspr2 using SW EWE antennna around 4:30pm eastern time. I caught your post this morning but forgot to setup the 2200m station at the time. I will leave 2200m on SW antenna overnight, as it is a favorable direction?

for WH2XXP as well...

73 Mike wa3tts

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
To: LowFER (US European <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 4, 2018 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] N8OOU trying 2200m WSPR

Hi Mike?.just now configured my station to have a look for you. Will leave it run for the weekend. It doesn?t automatically upload spots to WSPRnet, but I?ll post any decodes of your signals here. 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 EN93dr ______________________________________________________________ Lowfer mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net Post must be less than 50KB total for message plus attachment! This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Aug  5 05:17:50 2018
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 05:17:50 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] WSPR-2 on 2200M decodes
Message-ID: <A28FAB25-F68F-417E-AA23-CFF9F7BCEDD8@hurontel.on.ca>



Mike?.sorry to report no decodes of your WSPR-2 signals,
but I?ll keep watching, as it?s not daylight here yet.

0056  -24  -1.0    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0114  -23  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0120  -20  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0126  -16  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0132  -11  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0138  -11  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0144  -13  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0150  -14  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0156  -14  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0202  -15  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0208  -14  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0214  -17  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0220  -22  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0226  -27  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0232  -21  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0236  -27  -1.1    0.137582   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0238  -18  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0244  -20  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0246  -27  -1.1    0.137582   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0250  -21  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0256  -21  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0256  -25  -1.2    0.137582   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0302  -24  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0306  -24  -1.1    0.137581   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0308  -20  -1.0    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0314  -18  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0314  -26  -1.1    0.137581   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0320  -20  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0326  -19  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0332  -19  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0338  -21  -1.0    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0344  -24  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0348  -27  -1.1    0.137581   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0350  -23  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0356  -19  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0402  -22  -1.0    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0416  -25  -0.8    0.137508    0   WH2XXP      DM33     37
0420  -25  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0426  -19  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0432  -28  -1.2    0.137581   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0442  -26  -1.3    0.137581   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0444  -25  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0450  -23  -0.9    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0454  -26  -1.4    0.137581   -1   K3MF           FM19     30
0456  -24  -0.8    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0502  -20  -1.0    0.137438    0   N1BUG         FN55     30
0900  -28  -0.9    0.137507    0   WH2XXP      DM33     37

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k3mf at aol.com  Sun Aug  5 08:47:39 2018
From: k3mf at aol.com (k3mf at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 08:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU trying 2200m WSPR
In-Reply-To: <28bc7496-44ff-c302-5dac-dde7d84ab7ae@meekfarm.us>
References: <28bc7496-44ff-c302-5dac-dde7d84ab7ae@meekfarm.us>
Message-ID: <1650a210105-c8c-639@webjas-vaa172.srv.aolmail.net>

Mike,
    No signal heard here. 


73,
Wayde K3MF



-----Original Message-----
From: N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us>
To: lowferlist <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 4, 2018 10:06 am
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU trying 2200m WSPR

All

On Sat 8/4 I have started WSPR transmissions on 137540. I don't expect a 
strong signal if any at all.  I am running 5W input power into the WM 
Lowfer antenna system, with an appropriate Loading Coil. I am not sure 
that I have the proper turns on the coupling link yet, but I do see some 
mA's flowing up the vertical.

Reports are welcomed. Thanks for listening.

-- 
73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek
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From n8oou at meekfarm.us  Mon Aug  6 09:05:50 2018
From: n8oou at meekfarm.us (N8OOU)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 08:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing
Message-ID: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>

ALL;

Thanks to all, for your time and effort in attempting to capture my WSPR 
signal. The best I can conclude from this test is that I don't have 
enough signal being radiated yet for anyone to hear at this time of 
year. I know for sure I have a signal on my property, and it can be 
decoded. How far that signal travels is the unknown Hi Hi.

Over the weekend, I have come up with an idea of how to move the PA to 
the base of the antenna. I hopefully will get that done today (Mon) with 
only a short outage. In my past tests on 2200m, when I get the exciter 
too close to the antenna, the RF confuses the uP.  I hope that change 
increases the EIRP by removing any feedline loss. Later this week I will 
give up on 2200m, test 600m again, then get the lowfer back on the air.

Again thanks to everyone who devoted the receiver time.

Mike  73
-- 
73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek

From wa1zms at att.net  Mon Aug  6 09:12:01 2018
From: wa1zms at att.net (Brian, WA1ZMS)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 09:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing
In-Reply-To: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>
References: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>
Message-ID: <B3653555-22C8-4988-9C41-3EC867AD87FD@att.net>

Mike-

Unless the SWR on your feedline is very high, the loss at 2200m should be nil.

Most of us put the antenna tuner at the antenna feedpoint to get the match to 50ohms and then a good quality run of coax back to the shack to the TX PA.

But many other custom options could exist.

-Brian, WA1ZMS
iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:05 AM, N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us> wrote:
> 
> ALL;
> 
> Thanks to all, for your time and effort in attempting to capture my WSPR signal. The best I can conclude from this test is that I don't have enough signal being radiated yet for anyone to hear at this time of year. I know for sure I have a signal on my property, and it can be decoded. How far that signal travels is the unknown Hi Hi.
> 
> Over the weekend, I have come up with an idea of how to move the PA to the base of the antenna. I hopefully will get that done today (Mon) with only a short outage. In my past tests on 2200m, when I get the exciter too close to the antenna, the RF confuses the uP.  I hope that change increases the EIRP by removing any feedline loss. Later this week I will give up on 2200m, test 600m again, then get the lowfer back on the air.
> 
> Again thanks to everyone who devoted the receiver time.
> 
> Mike  73
> -- 
> 73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek
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From n8oou at meekfarm.us  Mon Aug  6 09:49:34 2018
From: n8oou at meekfarm.us (N8OOU)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 08:49:34 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing
In-Reply-To: <B3653555-22C8-4988-9C41-3EC867AD87FD@att.net>
References: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>
	<B3653555-22C8-4988-9C41-3EC867AD87FD@att.net>
Message-ID: <93383741-cf53-ad66-2907-2d85b50e431b@meekfarm.us>

Brian,

Yes, that's kinda what I thought, and why I set the Tx remotely in the 
first place. This is an easy change, and a configuration that I have had 
better luck with before. Just something to try before switching back to 
185Kc.

73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek

On 08/06/2018 08:12 AM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote:
> Mike-
> 
> Unless the SWR on your feedline is very high, the loss at 2200m should be nil.
> 
> Most of us put the antenna tuner at the antenna feedpoint to get the match to 50ohms and then a good quality run of coax back to the shack to the TX PA.
> 
> But many other custom options could exist.
> 
> -Brian, WA1ZMS
> iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:05 AM, N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us> wrote:
>>
>> ALL;
>>
>> Thanks to all, for your time and effort in attempting to capture my WSPR signal. The best I can conclude from this test is that I don't have enough signal being radiated yet for anyone to hear at this time of year. I know for sure I have a signal on my property, and it can be decoded. How far that signal travels is the unknown Hi Hi.
>>
>> Over the weekend, I have come up with an idea of how to move the PA to the base of the antenna. I hopefully will get that done today (Mon) with only a short outage. In my past tests on 2200m, when I get the exciter too close to the antenna, the RF confuses the uP.  I hope that change increases the EIRP by removing any feedline loss. Later this week I will give up on 2200m, test 600m again, then get the lowfer back on the air.
>>
>> Again thanks to everyone who devoted the receiver time.
>>
>> Mike  73
>> -- 
>> 73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek
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From wa3tts at verizon.net  Mon Aug  6 11:12:27 2018
From: wa3tts at verizon.net (wa3tts at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:12:27 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing
In-Reply-To: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>
References: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>
Message-ID: <1650fcbeeb9-c8f-17f7@webjas-vad110.srv.aolmail.net>

Mike:? You may want to consider WSPR15 if your PA can handle the duty cycle at the power level of your interest.? When K3SIW was in WSPR15 mode on 185.185 last fall-winter-spring I was able to decode Garry's wspr15 signal on the daylight path at lowfer pwr levels.

When SIW had RF problems with TX he ended up using a steel or plate box as a shield as I vaguely recall about a year or so back

73 Mike wa3tts


-----Original Message-----
From: N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us>
To: lowferlist <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2018 9:06 am
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing

ALL;

Thanks to all, for your time and effort in attempting to capture my WSPR 
signal. The best I can conclude from this test is that I don't have 
enough signal being radiated yet for anyone to hear at this time of 
year. I know for sure I have a signal on my property, and it can be 
decoded. How far that signal travels is the unknown Hi Hi.

Over the weekend, I have come up with an idea of how to move the PA to 
the base of the antenna. I hopefully will get that done today (Mon) with 
only a short outage. In my past tests on 2200m, when I get the exciter 
too close to the antenna, the RF confuses the uP. I hope that change 
increases the EIRP by removing any feedline loss. Later this week I will 
give up on 2200m, test 600m again, then get the lowfer back on the air.

Again thanks to everyone who devoted the receiver time.

Mike 73
-- 
73 de N8OOU - Mike Meek
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From n8oou at meekfarm.us  Mon Aug  6 12:26:16 2018
From: n8oou at meekfarm.us (N8OOU)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing
In-Reply-To: <1650fcbeeb9-c8f-17f7@webjas-vad110.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <f5384644-4b30-c6c0-d52e-25284000d1e9@meekfarm.us>
	<1650fcbeeb9-c8f-17f7@webjas-vad110.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <bbb67cbc-8f8d-2643-cbbb-d8989093a9ab@meekfarm.us>

Mike tts;

Good idea on the WSPR15. I will give it a try before I give up. 
Shielding on the exciter would help a lot, For this effort I am using my 
test U3S which is in a plastic case. Putting a little distance between 
it and the RF was the quickest solution.

Thanks

73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek

On 08/06/2018 10:12 AM, wa3tts at verizon.net wrote:
> Mike:? You may want to consider WSPR15 if your PA can handle the duty cycle at the power level of your interest.? When K3SIW was in WSPR15 mode on 185.185 last fall-winter-spring I was able to decode Garry's wspr15 signal on the daylight path at lowfer pwr levels.
> 
> When SIW had RF problems with TX he ended up using a steel or plate box as a shield as I vaguely recall about a year or so back
> 
> 73 Mike wa3tts
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us>
> To: lowferlist <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2018 9:06 am
> Subject: [Lowfer] N8OOU 2200m Testing
> 
> ALL;
> 
> Thanks to all, for your time and effort in attempting to capture my WSPR
> signal. The best I can conclude from this test is that I don't have
> enough signal being radiated yet for anyone to hear at this time of
> year. I know for sure I have a signal on my property, and it can be
> decoded. How far that signal travels is the unknown Hi Hi.
> 
> Over the weekend, I have come up with an idea of how to move the PA to
> the base of the antenna. I hopefully will get that done today (Mon) with
> only a short outage. In my past tests on 2200m, when I get the exciter
> too close to the antenna, the RF confuses the uP. I hope that change
> increases the EIRP by removing any feedline loss. Later this week I will
> give up on 2200m, test 600m again, then get the lowfer back on the air.
> 
> Again thanks to everyone who devoted the receiver time.
> 
> Mike 73
> 

From paul at n1bug.com  Mon Aug  6 15:46:59 2018
From: paul at n1bug.com (N1BUG)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] 2200m WSPR stopped
Message-ID: <6a022081-d6a8-cecf-dc1e-75f592064a12@n1bug.com>

I have stopped 2200m transmissions. This summer experiment was very
interesting! I wish I could continue nightly transmissions but must
stop for now. Thanks to all who listened and provided reports.

I will soon begin work on new receiving antennas.

73,
Paul N1BUG

From n8oou at meekfarm.us  Tue Aug  7 13:31:13 2018
From: n8oou at meekfarm.us (N8OOU)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:31:13 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Running WSPR-15 for a trial on 2200m
Message-ID: <e0e8be79-0d75-c3c6-9b04-37c98a019284@meekfarm.us>

All;

I have changed the parameters on my 2200m WSPR test. It is now running 
WSPR-15 on 137.615 KHz or the standard dial frequency of .136000 MHz 
plus 1615. Transmissions will occur on the 00 and 30 minute mark.
I plan to let this run a couple days to at least, complete a good "burn 
in" test of the station.

Reports are welcomed.

-- 
73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek

From n8oou at meekfarm.us  Wed Aug  8 10:21:29 2018
From: n8oou at meekfarm.us (N8OOU)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 09:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Testing complete on 2200m
Message-ID: <b8c57cb0-453d-728c-4ab6-a6f5af19bb95@meekfarm.us>


All;

I have finished my 2200m testing for now. I may try some test 
transmissions again later this fall. Thanks to all who have listened.
-- 
73   de   N8OOU - Mike Meek

From wa3tts at verizon.net  Wed Aug  8 10:43:16 2018
From: wa3tts at verizon.net (wa3tts at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Testing complete on 2200m
In-Reply-To: <b8c57cb0-453d-728c-4ab6-a6f5af19bb95@meekfarm.us>
References: <b8c57cb0-453d-728c-4ab6-a6f5af19bb95@meekfarm.us>
Message-ID: <16519fde765-c89-1d8b7@webjas-vad038.srv.aolmail.net>

Mike: If any solace, it was about as noisy as it could be last nite, not a single WH2XXP decode here overnight.?

With my S meter at S9 all evening, the hope for a weak signal capture was pretty small.? Mid and late
afternoon atmospheric absorption and QRN had K3MF in the upper minus teens SNRs to the low -20s, Wayde can?
put a signal in the -1 to -5 range on a quiet day...

Thanks for the testing

73 wa3tts


-----Original Message-----
From: N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us>
To: lowferlist <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2018 10:21 am
Subject: [Lowfer] Testing complete on 2200m


All;

I have finished my 2200m testing for now. I may try some test 
transmissions again later this fall. Thanks to all who have listened.
-- 
73 de N8OOU - Mike Meek
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From paul at n1bug.com  Wed Aug  8 11:33:34 2018
From: paul at n1bug.com (N1BUG)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:33:34 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Testing complete on 2200m
In-Reply-To: <16519fde765-c89-1d8b7@webjas-vad038.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <b8c57cb0-453d-728c-4ab6-a6f5af19bb95@meekfarm.us>
	<16519fde765-c89-1d8b7@webjas-vad038.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <919505d7-287b-2516-d846-3fb073647f4e@n1bug.com>

Mike,

Likewise here on the noise.

I had configured an instance of Spectrum Lab to look for your signal
and somehow WSPR-X managed to run overnight without crashing (quite
unusual) but nothing seen or decoded through the extreme noise.

73,
Paul N1BUG



On 08/08/2018 10:43 AM, wa3tts at verizon.net wrote:
> Mike: If any solace, it was about as noisy as it could be last nite, not a single WH2XXP decode here overnight.?
> 
> With my S meter at S9 all evening, the hope for a weak signal capture was pretty small.? Mid and late
> afternoon atmospheric absorption and QRN had K3MF in the upper minus teens SNRs to the low -20s, Wayde can?
> put a signal in the -1 to -5 range on a quiet day...
> 
> Thanks for the testing
> 
> 73 wa3tts
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N8OOU <n8oou at meekfarm.us>
> To: lowferlist <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2018 10:21 am
> Subject: [Lowfer] Testing complete on 2200m
> 
> 
> All;
> 
> I have finished my 2200m testing for now. I may try some test 
> transmissions again later this fall. Thanks to all who have listened.

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 11 14:19:17 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Telescopic Mast Vertical - Question
References: <819469471.6208734.1534011557592.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <819469471.6208734.1534011557592@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

My recent antenna debacle is forcing me ( a good thing kinda ) to come up with a better and more permanent
design.. After considering several types of setups, financial considerations, and one man maintenance has me
settled on using a 40' Telescopic Mast as a Vertical radiator.. I have 2 questions :

#1: I will insulate the mast from ground.. How high above ground should I try to get the mast ? minimum & optimum

#2: I have no other place to mount the mast but to the side of my mobile home.. Lots of aluminum siding up
10 feet high, and , a metal roof .. I will use a stand off bracket to hold the mast at 10' AGL to the side of the
mobile home.. it will be insulated ( mast wrapped with electrical tape ) - best I can do, and use dacron rope
to guy the mast with porcelain insulators on the mast end .. Top Loading connected at the top section,
and RF fed at the bottom of mast..

I realize the coupling, and interaction effects of being beside the metal body of the mobile home, so , will that
make Question #1 a moot point ?

Thanks for any comments.. Hope to be back on the air soon:

73:

Andy - KU4XR

From stanw1le at verizon.net  Sat Aug 11 16:59:55 2018
From: stanw1le at verizon.net (Stan, W1LE)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 16:59:55 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Telescopic Mast Vertical - Question
In-Reply-To: <819469471.6208734.1534011557592@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <819469471.6208734.1534011557592.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<819469471.6208734.1534011557592@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc994a36-7219-b7a3-ac83-89ef4d50ea5a@verizon.net>

Hello Andy,

I am on a similar venture. Some ideas are already installed, but the 
final design is still in the thought stages.

1. Insulating the mast from ground: my vertical is about 30' from the 
house and guyed 3 ways. I chose to put the mast insulator at 27" above 
ground because of the possible snow fall/accumulation. I want the 
insulated mast to always be above the snow.

2. For your standoff bracket, 10' above ground, consider using small 
sections of PVC piping cut to fit around your masting. May be more 
solid/permanent.

My masting is older military type, using MS-44, for 60" stackable 
sections, with mil insulated base and mil nylon rope guys. Sections are 
1-5/8" OD and are aluminum with a swaged end to mate the next section. I 
guy every 3 sections. I have a 2' stub at the very top for the possible 
top hat (umbrella) loading capacitor, then the first(top) guy 2' below 
that. Right now I am at 52' of radiator and considering at least 2 more 
mast sections. Maybe after I consider everything and design the top hat 
the main mast might be shorter. I am also considering a center loaded 
inductor to improve performance.

I believe in one man installs/de-installs. I can put up this masting all 
by myself. To add more height, all I do is loosen the guy ropes, pull 
the bottom section up and away from the base insulator and add the new 
5' section. Then I plumb it up, tightening the guy ropes. I do use a 
surveying transit to be sure the masting is plumb/vertical. Right now I 
am plumb within a mast diameter from top to bottom. My guy anchors are 
at 80% of the height with elevated anchors on 4"x4"x10' pressure treated 
lumber, 3' in the ground. Plenty of room to walk around underneath the 
lowest guys.

I do use a heavily graphited "gas cock" grease between sections for 
enhanced conductivity long term.

The MS-44 is very old mil stock that I have collected over the past 25 
years and can no longer be found. But there is more modern mil masting 
available from Ebay with 44" stackable sections of aluminum. There is 
also thin wall fiberglass masting that is NOT sturdy. Thicker walled mil 
masting fiberglass can be found, but you really have to hunt for it.

My original thoughts for a top hat were to use telescoped aluminum 
tubing, about 20' diameter with interconnecting wires. 8 radial spokes 
from the top mast stub section.

I am begining to like the idea of using top loading wires, like you use. 
But I need to explore the mechanical loading.

My ground screen is sections of 3' galvi fencing, on the ground. If I 
bury it, it will corrode in a hurry and be useless. and the fencing 
wires are all electrically bonded together. Unlike chain link fence 
material that is loosely held together. Maybe chicken wire would be more 
cost effective.

GL in the project

Stan, W1LE??? Cape Cod?? FN41sr





ZZZZz




On 8/11/2018 2:19 PM, Andy - KU4XR via Lowfer wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> My recent antenna debacle is forcing me ( a good thing kinda ) to come up with a better and more permanent
> design.. After considering several types of setups, financial considerations, and one man maintenance has me
> settled on using a 40' Telescopic Mast as a Vertical radiator.. I have 2 questions :
>
> #1: I will insulate the mast from ground.. How high above ground should I try to get the mast ? minimum & optimum
>
> #2: I have no other place to mount the mast but to the side of my mobile home.. Lots of aluminum siding up
> 10 feet high, and , a metal roof .. I will use a stand off bracket to hold the mast at 10' AGL to the side of the
> mobile home.. it will be insulated ( mast wrapped with electrical tape ) - best I can do, and use dacron rope
> to guy the mast with porcelain insulators on the mast end .. Top Loading connected at the top section,
> and RF fed at the bottom of mast..
>
> I realize the coupling, and interaction effects of being beside the metal body of the mobile home, so , will that
> make Question #1 a moot point ?
>
> Thanks for any comments.. Hope to be back on the air soon:
>
> 73:
>
> Andy - KU4XR
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Sat Aug 11 17:50:16 2018
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 17:50:16 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Telescopic Mast Vertical - Question
In-Reply-To: <819469471.6208734.1534011557592@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <819469471.6208734.1534011557592.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<819469471.6208734.1534011557592@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1UQYUrQS05.1f2XTwFteZo@optiplex980-pc>

Andy

If you're planning on base loading it for MF and LF, and planning to run reasonable amounts of power, there will be thousands of volts on the mast. I'm assuming that the mobile home aluminum structure is tied into, and therefore, part of the ground system. For safety reasons it would be wise to mount the mast some distance from the mobile home ... and put a fence around it ... unless you have no spouse, kids, grandkids, pets, neighbors etc ;~) .

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2 


----- Original Message -----
From: Andy - KU4XR via Lowfer <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Reply-To: Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>, Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
To: 600 meter group <600mrg at mailman.qth.net>, 1750 Meter lowfer list <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 8/11/2018 2:19:17 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] Telescopic Mast Vertical - Question
________________________________________________________________________________

Hi all:

My recent antenna debacle is forcing me ( a good thing kinda ) to come up with a better and more permanent
design.. After considering several types of setups, financial considerations, and one man maintenance has me
settled on using a 40' Telescopic Mast as a Vertical radiator.. I have 2 questions :

#1: I will insulate the mast from ground.. How high above ground should I try to get the mast ? minimum & optimum

#2: I have no other place to mount the mast but to the side of my mobile home.. Lots of aluminum siding up
10 feet high, and , a metal roof .. I will use a stand off bracket to hold the mast at 10' AGL to the side of the
mobile home.. it will be insulated ( mast wrapped with electrical tape ) - best I can do, and use dacron rope
to guy the mast with porcelain insulators on the mast end .. Top Loading connected at the top section,
and RF fed at the bottom of mast..

I realize the coupling, and interaction effects of being beside the metal body of the mobile home, so , will that
make Question #1 a moot point ?

Thanks for any comments.. Hope to be back on the air soon:

73:

Andy - KU4XR
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 11 20:29:00 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 00:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Telescopic Mast Vertical - Question
References: <1463574263.6299266.1534033740116.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1463574263.6299266.1534033740116@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All:

Thanks for all the replies to my queries on the Telescopic Mast as a Vertical Antenna.. All my questions were
answered.. I appreciate everyones time typing your responses.. Evidently the Mast Vertical was not a bad idea,
BUT , my plan of implementation, in the end, will not safely work..

Have a good day Gentlemen, and 73:

Andy - KU4XR

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 12 12:15:55 2018
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:15:55 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Lowfer EAR
Message-ID: <b1a43c15-7a86-e14e-93f2-5d3557409793@sbcglobal.net>

Haven't tuned for lowfers for quite some time. Saw WM weakly at the 
watering hole for awhile this morning. Later tuned for EAR at 188830 Hz 
and as usual it is coming in fine.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta Elgin, IL

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Sun Aug 12 12:36:12 2018
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:36:12 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Lowfer EAR
In-Reply-To: <b1a43c15-7a86-e14e-93f2-5d3557409793@sbcglobal.net>
References: <b1a43c15-7a86-e14e-93f2-5d3557409793@sbcglobal.net>
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Hi Garry, thanks for the report and Argo snip.  It?s nice to see with
certainty that the signal is getting out of my back yard.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 20 21:06:27 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 01:06:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Mast is up !
References: <201918087.97268.1534813587674.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201918087.97268.1534813587674@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

It's took over 2 weeks but I finally have the best support mast I could do.. A 40 footer !! ( that's tall for me )..
My 2 sons came over and helped me hoist it into the air this evening.. I added 3 extra sets of pull up ropes
to accomadate extra antennas, AND, if a rope breaks over time ( which they do - thus this escipade )..
Now to allow for the rope stretching, doing tensioning to plumb it, and get a 35 foot vertical section in the air..
will be doing repairs to the top loading as I go along, and hopefully , this will stay in the air for a few years..
This little antenna raising took a lot of sap out of this old man ... hi - hi

https://www.dropbox.com/s/znmo6wxiiq8mrk6/Mast-1_40%27_AGL.jpg?dl=0

73:

Andy - KU4XR

From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Mon Aug 20 21:21:51 2018
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:21:51 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Mast is up !
In-Reply-To: <201918087.97268.1534813587674@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <201918087.97268.1534813587674.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<201918087.97268.1534813587674@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5CE6C3C2-9596-4A9A-BA8E-4A0689E6BF36@hurontel.on.ca>



Looks good, Andy?.just how old are you?  I?m 67 and a lot slower at climbing towers
like I did years ago!  My highest climb was a 350 foot coast guard tower near the
Lake Huron shoreline.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From cls at employees.org  Mon Aug 20 23:36:42 2018
From: cls at employees.org (Cliff Sojourner)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Mast is up !
In-Reply-To: <5CE6C3C2-9596-4A9A-BA8E-4A0689E6BF36@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <201918087.97268.1534813587674.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<201918087.97268.1534813587674@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5CE6C3C2-9596-4A9A-BA8E-4A0689E6BF36@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <8F1EE8C4-1BA8-4703-9D85-638D746E20E7@employees.org>

Yikes! Don't say things like that, fires up my vertigo! My highest climb recently is my 8 foot ladder, 3rd step below the top.

Years ago I loved getting altitude.

Cliff k6cls CM87

On August 20, 2018 6:21:51 PM PDT, John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Looks good, Andy?.just how old are you?  I?m 67 and a lot slower at
>climbing towers
>like I did years ago!  My highest climb was a 350 foot coast guard
>tower near the
>Lake Huron shoreline.
>
>73, J.B., VE3EAR
>
>LowFER Beacon "EAR"
>188.830 kHz. QRSS30
>EN93dr
>
>
>
>
>
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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Tue Aug 21 09:59:07 2018
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA website down?
Message-ID: <5DCD860A-4BCE-4CFC-88AE-83C80A548CE6@hurontel.on.ca>



For the last several days, I?ve been unable to access the LWCA website.
Anyone else having a similar problem, or is it just me?

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From w1tag at charter.net  Tue Aug 21 10:06:02 2018
From: w1tag at charter.net (John Andrews)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA website down?
In-Reply-To: <5DCD860A-4BCE-4CFC-88AE-83C80A548CE6@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <5DCD860A-4BCE-4CFC-88AE-83C80A548CE6@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <3a3faa50-fcfb-186b-4479-75e577c9a1f6@charter.net>

JB,

No problems here.

John, W1TAG

On 8/21/2018 9:59 AM, John Bruce McCreath wrote:
> 
> 
> For the last several days, I?ve been unable to access the LWCA website.
> Anyone else having a similar problem, or is it just me?
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR
> 
> LowFER Beacon "EAR"
> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30
> EN93dr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From wa3tts at verizon.net  Tue Aug 21 11:19:53 2018
From: wa3tts at verizon.net (wa3tts at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA website down?
In-Reply-To: <5DCD860A-4BCE-4CFC-88AE-83C80A548CE6@hurontel.on.ca>
References: <5DCD860A-4BCE-4CFC-88AE-83C80A548CE6@hurontel.on.ca>
Message-ID: <1655d121ead-1e9b-76bd@webjas-vad224.srv.aolmail.net>

JB: I was able to access the lowfer/medfer/hifer frequencies list yesterday with no issues, seemed to be working...

73 Mike wa3tts


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bruce McCreath <weazle at hurontel.on.ca>
To: LowFER (US European <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2018 9:59 am
Subject: [Lowfer] LWCA website down?

For the last several days, I?ve been unable to access the LWCA website. Anyone else having a similar problem, or is it just me? 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 EN93dr ______________________________________________________________ Lowfer mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Lowfer at mailman.qth.net Post must be less than 50KB total for message plus attachment! This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html

From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 23 13:05:54 2018
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:05:54 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Lowfers EAR and WM
Message-ID: <950c5a2a-4326-de3a-e9a8-a98032797705@sbcglobal.net>

Back from an interesting 10 GHz & Above contest fired up the LF gear and 
nice to see lowfers EAR and WM coming through.

73, Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL

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From weazle at hurontel.on.ca  Thu Aug 23 14:15:00 2018
From: weazle at hurontel.on.ca (John Bruce McCreath)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:15:00 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Lowfers EAR and WM
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Hi Garry?.thanks for the mid-day report and Argo snip of EAR.  It?s nice to know
that it?s still getting out of my back yard.  We?ve had over six inches of rain here,
since Saturday night, so the helix house is likely surrounded by a moat.

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30
EN93dr






From k3siw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 23 14:29:40 2018
From: k3siw at sbcglobal.net (Garry)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:29:40 -0500
Subject: [Lowfer] Watering hole lowfer WM
Message-ID: <c35fed0b-4dd0-a747-ff72-23ef6c28cda2@sbcglobal.net>

Here's a screen capture of lowfer WM around 185.3 kHz
-- 
Garry, K3SIW, EN52ta, Elgin, IL
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 28 22:09:57 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:09:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation
References: <994369168.49771.1535508597913.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <994369168.49771.1535508597913@mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all:

To start - 350 feet of radial wire is miniscule on 630 meters .. for a few days since getting my new antenna up,
I have been experimenting with some short radials underneath the antenna.. I tried running from the ground rod
out 50 feet - across 5 feet - and back to the ground rod - then repeat, until that wire ran out.. I ended up with
10 wires - extending 50 feet - covering 45 feet of earth - directly underneath the top loading.. Noticed NO change
in any antenna parameter.. Next I am simply running 3 wires - each about 115 feet long from my ground rod,
thru my back yard, the ends are about 20 feet apart - so covering about 40 feet of earth.. Still NO Change .. 
The wire is small guage Aluminum Electric fence wire ( just to add to the record ) .. I have done this same
experiment - placing the wires in various locations, and the same result everytime - NO Change in any
antenna parameter... not a milliamp of RF current, or a " point " of VSWR change.. Seeing there is no change
appearing in any placement; is it a reasonable assumption that this small amount of " wire on the ground "
serves no useful purpose to the antenna system ??

Thanks, and 73:

Andy - KU4XR

From bill.isakson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 23:09:45 2018
From: bill.isakson at gmail.com (William E. Isakson)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:09:45 -0700
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation
In-Reply-To: <994369168.49771.1535508597913@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <994369168.49771.1535508597913.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<994369168.49771.1535508597913@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CACwffh=gRgoO2mkY+x58ZYdbii7WOAtUaLVPcj7hAyE6YN5NOw@mail.gmail.com>

A good question to ask all right Andy, but the real question is does it
effect your signal strength at the receiving stations.
Bill
--------


Bill Isakson     AC6QV
Roseburg, Oregon USA
bill.isakson at gmail.com




On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:10 PM Andy - KU4XR via Lowfer <
lowfer at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Greetings all:
>
> To start - 350 feet of radial wire is miniscule on 630 meters .. for a few
> days since getting my new antenna up,
> I have been experimenting with some short radials underneath the antenna..
> I tried running from the ground rod
> out 50 feet - across 5 feet - and back to the ground rod - then repeat,
> until that wire ran out.. I ended up with
> 10 wires - extending 50 feet - covering 45 feet of earth - directly
> underneath the top loading.. Noticed NO change
> in any antenna parameter.. Next I am simply running 3 wires - each about
> 115 feet long from my ground rod,
> thru my back yard, the ends are about 20 feet apart - so covering about 40
> feet of earth.. Still NO Change ..
> The wire is small guage Aluminum Electric fence wire ( just to add to the
> record ) .. I have done this same
> experiment - placing the wires in various locations, and the same result
> everytime - NO Change in any
> antenna parameter... not a milliamp of RF current, or a " point " of VSWR
> change.. Seeing there is no change
> appearing in any placement; is it a reasonable assumption that this small
> amount of " wire on the ground "
> serves no useful purpose to the antenna system ??
>
> Thanks, and 73:
>
> Andy - KU4XR
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From jrusgrove at comcast.net  Wed Aug 29 06:31:06 2018
From: jrusgrove at comcast.net (jrusgrove at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 06:31:06 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation
In-Reply-To: <994369168.49771.1535508597913@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <994369168.49771.1535508597913.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<994369168.49771.1535508597913@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1UQYoO13PL.120aliR9uFa@optiplex980-pc>

Andy

Assuming the mobile home is part of the ground system, and the vertical is as close to the mobile home as you had originally planned, it would be reasonable to expect the majority of return current to flow through that path. That said, one would expect some change when adding 115' radials out in different directions. To really evaluate the worthiness of the added radials it would be better to look at antenna R ... while making sure the antenna remains in resonance.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2    



      

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy - KU4XR via Lowfer <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Reply-To: Andy - KU4XR <ku4xr at yahoo.com>, Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
To: 1750 Meter lowfer list <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>, 600 meter group <600mrg at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 8/28/2018 10:09:57 PM
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation
________________________________________________________________________________

Greetings all:

To start - 350 feet of radial wire is miniscule on 630 meters .. for a few days since getting my new antenna up,
I have been experimenting with some short radials underneath the antenna.. I tried running from the ground rod
out 50 feet - across 5 feet - and back to the ground rod - then repeat, until that wire ran out.. I ended up with
10 wires - extending 50 feet - covering 45 feet of earth - directly underneath the top loading.. Noticed NO change
in any antenna parameter.. Next I am simply running 3 wires - each about 115 feet long from my ground rod,
thru my back yard, the ends are about 20 feet apart - so covering about 40 feet of earth.. Still NO Change .. 
The wire is small guage Aluminum Electric fence wire ( just to add to the record ) .. I have done this same
experiment - placing the wires in various locations, and the same result everytime - NO Change in any
antenna parameter... not a milliamp of RF current, or a " point " of VSWR change.. Seeing there is no change
appearing in any placement; is it a reasonable assumption that this small amount of " wire on the ground "
serves no useful purpose to the antenna system ??

Thanks, and 73:

Andy - KU4XR
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From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 30 14:55:58 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:55:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation - Updated
References: <2080315401.1238590.1535655358227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2080315401.1238590.1535655358227@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

Thanks for all the replies to this thread. I'll start by saying: " If it IS grounded, and CAN Be connected to; 
I have done so. This probably reasons out why I see no VSWR / RF Current changes even with 100 plus foot Radials...

Back in 2009 when I plunged into my lowFER Beacon; I ran wires to literally - Everything Metal - I came to a point 
where anything more, made no difference'es ( Diminishing Returns ).. My Mobile Home - frame, body, and now a metal roof; 
are all connected to ground at both my 8 foot rod at the window, and the Utility ground... As to the radials on the ground; 
several operators have said that "  no changes were noticed at their end, but signals at distant receivers made a noticable 
improvement "... With that empirical knowledge, I will run as much wire as I can get my hands on, in out of the way places 
( not my yard ), and " accept what happens " ... 

*** The area where I AM still seeing improvement *** - " Get as much wire as possible; as high in the air as possible... " : 
I am still seeing noticable changes as I add Top Load wires to the set up.. On Wednesday ( 8-29-2018 ) , I added an extra 
( approximately ) 390 feet of Top Load which is now close to 1,230 feet total.. The 390 foot run is 3 wires with a perimeter wire 
at 30' AGL - ran out over the 3 - 115 foot radials that I am experimenting with... Immediate changes were; a 7 turn reduction 
needed for the loading coil.. My noise level dropped by 1-1/2 S-units ( S-8.5 down to S-7 daytime level ).. I see a 2 milliAmp 
increase in RF Current.. 

** This I have learned empirically ** - Never base any conclusions on a single night of operation...
Overnight WSPR receive operations reported 700 + mile stations coming in an hour earlier and stronger SNr numbers.
Distant reports of my signal were up also, and 3 west coast stations spotted me .. I am positive that the reduction
in solar activity had the most effect in the scenario .. More time will give better data.. Thanks for reading, and 73:

Andy - KU4XR

From paul at n1bug.com  Fri Aug 31 05:06:06 2018
From: paul at n1bug.com (N1BUG)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 05:06:06 -0400
Subject: [Lowfer] TXing 2200m resumed
Message-ID: <04c99b3b-7dc3-f1d2-cf6d-14a2906945d1@n1bug.com>

Since last night I am transmitting on 2200m again. WSPR2 for now. I
I will try now to be transmitting almost every night from before my
sunset until after sunrise in westernmost Europe. Mostly WSPR2 (I
think) but some nights I will do WSPR15 and some nights DFCW around
137.779.

When we get more into the "low QRN season" I will be ready for QSOs
on CW, JT9, DFCW and if necessary QRSS. For now it is still very,
very noisy here! I am still trying to get the old software for
'slow' JT9 modes to run, but seems almost hopeless...

73,
Paul N1BUG

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 08:51:14 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:51:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation - Check this out
References: <1372262153.1349592.1535719874573.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1372262153.1349592.1535719874573@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all:

This is old news for many, maybe helpful news for some, and an " I knew better " for myself... On Thursday evening
just before sunset, I added a " 50 foot termination wire " to the end of the 3 - 115 foot radials in my back yard...
NOW There's A Difference !!! - AND - it gives me encouragement to proceed with radials on the ground..
After connecting the Termination wire ( no ground rod at the ends ), my RF Current went up 5 milliAmps from
1.44 to 1.49 mA... Calculating the Driving Point Impedance shows 9.90 Ohms - I started 630 meters at 15.27 Ohms..
Also, that sudden 1-1/2 S-unit drop in noise level ( loss ) changed , and my S-meter is now back in normal range..
For myself, this is very encouraging.. And, the reminder to not leave a short radial - Un-Terminated !!

73, and have a great day Gentlemen:

Andy - KU4XR

From ku4xr at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 19:54:12 2018
From: ku4xr at yahoo.com (Andy - KU4XR)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 23:54:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lowfer] Short Radial Observation - Check this out
References: <2035939414.1962250.1535759652995.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2035939414.1962250.1535759652995@mail.yahoo.com>

Let's try this......let's say you added 3 new radials, are you saying that all you did extra now 
was to connect all 3 ends of these radials with a wire and did nothing else?    *** ( This is correct ) ***
Gedas, W8BYA
________________________________________________________________________________________

I presumed three of the ends closest to the house were all tied together and bonded to the coax shield 
of the feedline. Correct?    *** ( They are connected to the Ground Rod of my existing radials ) ***
If so, then the three far ends were left open just laying on the ground. Correct?    *** ( Yes ) ***
-Brian, WA1ZMS
________________________________________________________________________________________

In Andy's antenna he connected the radials with a circumference conductive line. No termination was made 
as he indicated no connection to ground. 
Mel, K6KBE
*** ( Circumference Conductive Line Connection was made at the far ends that were laying on the ground ) ***
________________________________________________________________________________________

Andy - KU4XR

