From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec  1 17:52:32 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:52:32 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FW: "Tropical Radio Telegraph Company"
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB026963B47A551FD3ECCD6E63E4400@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026963B47A551FD3ECCD6E63E4400@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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Subject: "Tropical Radio Telegraph Company"

This form dated 1976 has a title of "Radio Telegraph". But I wonder if this name is just historical legacy, and by this time the traffic was entirely  landline teletype?
Maybe in Central or South America, radio teletype circuits were also used?
My father worked in a U.S. Army radio receiving station in Lynnwood, Washington, which operated RTTY circuits to the Pacific until it was finally
closed somewhere around 1968.

I didn't really set out to collect Radiotelegraph forms. Now I have around a half dozen varieties. I am interested in acquiring any examples  from companies
other than RCA or Mackay.
-Hue

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From r390a.urr at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 10:54:27 2019
From: r390a.urr at gmail.com (Dave Merrill)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:54:27 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] R-388 in Knoxville, TN starts on 12/7/2019
Message-ID: <CAGRTi8Vz=zdE_iQ9XjfZTEnL8hkYxuv=h922rwTuZSD2m+8qnA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.estatesales.net/TN/Knoxville/37912/2428062

Not mine, just posting for any interested parties.

73,
Dave
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From r390a.urr at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 11:53:52 2019
From: r390a.urr at gmail.com (Dave Merrill)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 09:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] [R-390] R-388 in Knoxville, TN starts on 12/7/2019
In-Reply-To: <265478860.2935355.1575391245501@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAGRTi8Vz=zdE_iQ9XjfZTEnL8hkYxuv=h922rwTuZSD2m+8qnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<265478860.2935355.1575391245501@mail.yahoo.com>
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Agreed, so the price should be humble!

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 9:40 AM Tom M. <courir26 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Man that 388 is humble.
>
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From jpinner33 at att.net  Tue Dec  3 18:36:43 2019
From: jpinner33 at att.net (Joseph Pinner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Docs needed for AN/PRC-35 (XC-2)
References: <78887890-25b5-7f85-9cc1-827faaacd0f8.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <78887890-25b5-7f85-9cc1-827faaacd0f8@att.net>

Recently acquired an AN/PRC-35 (XC-2) experimental FM tactical radio. It 
was made by RCA circa late 1950s/early 1960s.

I need a manual and/or other documentation.

Thanks for any assistance.

-- 
Joseph Pinner
Kingston, TN

KC5IJD / AFA4JP
Roane County OES 408


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  3 19:27:03 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 00:27:03 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FT-241 LF crystal inside
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269F67C7BF697C8334829CEE45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Here is what those war surplus crystals look like inside.
This one "looks good", but I have not tested it. I just wanted to see inside, and see how practical it was to open up. Quite easy.
I am pretty sure women did this close work. Can I say that today?
-Hue
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  3 19:29:15 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 00:29:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FT-241 LF crystal inside
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269F67C7BF697C8334829CEE45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269F67C7BF697C8334829CEE45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02696C4055E23E906EF40248E45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Oh yeah, I should have said, channel 376 / 720 =  522.22...  kHz.
-H
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Wed Dec  4 02:36:05 2019
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:36:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rack/Cabinet handles?
References: <1065609223.3104260.1575444965036.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1065609223.3104260.1575444965036@mail.yahoo.com>

RAF Electronics Hardware item 8182-1032-A. Found a bunch new in plastic packaging. Not sure it included the screws/washers. Unpriced but can probably get them pretty cheap. Retailers look to be wanting $15-$20 each for these silly things.
http://www.rafhdwe.com/catalog/root/8182-1032-a
"Round shaped handles are made of Aluminum. The length and height of the handle are 4", 1-1/2" respectively.?Bar dia?5/16". Tapped hole thread Size?10-32 UNF."
WayneWB4OGM
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From kb8tq at n1k.org  Wed Dec  4 07:48:44 2019
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:48:44 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] FT-241 LF crystal inside
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02696C4055E23E906EF40248E45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269F67C7BF697C8334829CEE45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<MWHPR22MB02696C4055E23E906EF40248E45D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <566C9163-3809-4434-A2BD-B2EA80A79560@n1k.org>

Hi

That?s basically a GT cut crystal. It may not *be* a GT, a lot depends on the
way it was cut. 

Indeed you could expect a line that does that sort of work to still be staffed by
women. That continued to be true well into the 1980?s. Often there were still 
individuals who had started out in the WWII era. There aren?t may lines like 
that left these days. LF crystals are very much a rare item production wise. 

Bob

> On Dec 3, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Hubert Miller <kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah, I should have said, channel 376 / 720 =  522.22?  kHz.
> -H 
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From jpinner33 at att.net  Thu Dec  5 12:35:20 2019
From: jpinner33 at att.net (Joseph Pinner)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 12:35:20 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Need docs for AM-4761aA/WIC-2A
References: <3c72debd-2cd4-3830-6a16-7a8111544599.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <3c72debd-2cd4-3830-6a16-7a8111544599@att.net>

Recently acquired an AM-4761aA/WIC-2A Navy Amplifier-speaker.

I need a manual and/or other documentation.

Thanks for any assistance.

-- 
Joseph Pinner
Kingston, TN

KC5IJD / AFA4JP
Roane County OES 408


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  5 16:15:37 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:15:37 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 1.5 volt LED screw base bulb ?
Message-ID: <BN6PR22MB0258744BE87722E89E054BD3E45C0@BN6PR22MB0258.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

In the search for better dial illumination for the U.S. Army GRC-9 receiver, besides the 'Maglite' bulb adapter I built, I also bought what were sold
as "1.5 volt, screw base LED bulbs", replacements for a type 112 ( I think it is  ) flashlight bulb.
A 1.5 volt LED bulb?
This was something entirely new and greatly puzzling to me, just like the time a woman co-worker a few years back told me she had rewired a
floor lamp using "liquid solder". "Now, how they done that???" I wondered. Well, real miracles are very rare.
The bulb looks just like what it is, a screw base flashlight or dial lamp bulb. Sure enough, it lit bright at 1.5 volts. The draw current, 80 mA, was the
big clue. The actual incandescent 112 bulb draws more like somewhere between 100 and 200 mA. I reckoned at about 30% efficiency, a circuit could
generate the about 20 mA an LED needs at about 3 volts.
So I crushed the base of one and cut and peeled back the metal base, the sharp metal peel also causing a hydraulic fluid leak from one of my fingers.
Here's a photo of an intact bulb and the innards. It is the "joule thief" oscillator circuit. I don't know what frequency the oscillation is; the torroid looks
very low inductance and very HF-y.  The tiny circuit board has a few surface mount parts. I would really like to trace and draw the circuit but as you
can see, it looks like a bit of a challenge.

The repair job using "liquid solder" ?  It wasn't soldered using mercury or "Wood's metal", the only low melt temperature metals I know. She twisted
the wires together, then covered them with "Liquid Solder", which is a metallic looking glue. No miracle there either.

The GRC-9 receiver dial illumination: Richard Brunner and I have been exchanging emails on this. He finds that the receiver audio stage B+ draw will
nicely light a bright white LED in series. He says he will post his solution once he has the project finalized.
-Hubert Miller

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From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Fri Dec  6 14:36:18 2019
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 14:36:18 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] A panel light for the GRC-9
Message-ID: <9bd704bb-b73b-2148-2ade-62a3326f6ba3@comcast.net>


You've probably noticed that the panel lamp is only on when the button 
is pressed, which is fine for military practice, but it's pretty dim and 
not convenient for Ham use.? Here's an easy fix: Use a high-intensity 
white LED held in place with tape, with the wires fed through the hole 
used for the original lamp.? From terminal jack #4, clip R29,? pull it 
up, and connect the LED between jack #4 and the liberated end of R29.? 
The audio stages only pull 5 or 6 ma which is enough for adequate light 
from the LED.

A few words about LEDs:? You have choices.? Green and yellow work fine 
if that's what you want.? I have been partial to warm-white high 
intensity, but in this application all that comes through the dial is 
yellow. (a big surprise)

Richard, AA1P


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec  6 20:42:36 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 01:42:36 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 7 - pin plugs for transistorizing tubes ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02697C3E46AC22A86F348C78E45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

We recently had a discussion about solidstating tube equipment. One poster talked about his project to transistorize the R-392.
My kind of project - or at least, to think about.
So I obtained some 7 pin plugs to build solidstate onto. I noted that these plugs have square pins, though, not round. I found
that these seat very hard. In fact, pushing the plug pretty hard, as hard as I would really want or dare to, the plug only partially
seated. Perhaps this is enough, but it doesn't do much for my confidence in continued functioning. So my question is, what were
these plugs intended to mate with ??? I find it hard to imagine that you had to hammer them home. That would make them
quite hard to ever remove?
thanks-
Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec  6 21:31:52 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 02:31:52 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "Yasme - The Weil and Colvin Expeditions" book
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269B65ECF3142390303D281E45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

When I recently re-upped with ARRL I ordered a book, 'Yasme - The Danny Weil and Colvin Radio Expeditions".  This book combines a number of ingredients that appeal to me:
Pacific islands, classic ham radio, world travel to then - exotic and remote places. It is a large format paperback, $25, profusely illustrated with photos. I reckon I will receive more
enjoyment from this book than for any $25 I have spent in recent history. Thinking, I would have to say, back to the  Oregon State Fair in summer, for equivalent  value - for - dollar.

Military radio connection, for some of these email groups:
Lloyd and Iris Colvin were very active in the ham MARS program in postwar Japan.
Also this intriguing mention, of which I had not before known anything:

"Lloyd received an Army commendation for some of his CANOL - related [ that is, Yukon oil pipeline project ] 'in connection' ( he later said ) 'with the planning and providing of radio
transmitters for Army Intelligence scouts who were landed by submarine on certain of the Aleutian Islands during the period in which many of the islands were occupied by the
Japanese enemy. In connection with this work I made several hazardous airplane trips in the Aleutian Islands. through fog and blind flying conditions, to obtain the equipment and
coordinate radio transmissions by these army scouts to Navy communications located both on ships at sea and on land. Immediately prior to the departure of the Intelligence scouts
on their assigned mission it developed that the Army frequencies which the transmitters were designed to work on were not satisfactory for communication with the desired Navy
stations.
I worked all night long grinding new quartz crystals to the required frequencies and making other necessary changes in order that fulfillment of the mission would not be delayed.' "

End quote. Quoted material punctuation and capitalization exactly as original.

Comment: very puzzling. I have to wonder, how much if any of this was Colvin's "tooting his own horn". The oil pipeline project would seem to have no connection to the Aleutian
campaign, so why the mention? Landing people on Japanese - occupied Kiska and Attu would seem to be suicidal, so I suppose this means nearby  islands, for observation, "coast
watching". When I read this paragraph, my mind immediately went to the Navy CMS radio, but....for the Aleutians application, I think maybe only 4 - 5 sets would be all needed,
and it seems there are more CMS radios than that still around. It occurs to me that the Navy TCH would be very usable for this application. In other posts I have maintained that
the TCH would have been better than other coast - watcher radios which were used, such as the Australian 3BZ.
As for "grinding crystals overnight", well, I don't know if I buy that. This requires some experience and some experimentation. It's not like doing some hurry - up soldering job
overnight.
Puzzling.

Danny Weil passed away 1993. his wife 1998. A good looking couple, and they must have been fun people to be around.
-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec  6 22:56:38 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 03:56:38 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Army-Radios] 7 - pin plugs for transistorizing
	tubes ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR19MB14077E867AC1BE09C31C19D3F55E0@MWHPR19MB1407.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02697C3E46AC22A86F348C78E45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
	<17358786.6605852.1575684321208@mail.yahoo.com>
	<MWHPR19MB14077E867AC1BE09C31C19D3F55E0@MWHPR19MB1407.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02694017EDF53CDFFD10B26CE45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I think I have only seen one, maybe two,  receivers with a BFO level control, and that in some old publication.
Yes, receivers with no 'product detector', you have to back off the RF/IF gain control to try to get SSB to come
in clearly.

One fellow said the square pins sounded to him like wire wrap pins. I had not thought of that at all, although I
used a wire wrap gun for many years.
-Hue
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec  6 23:11:36 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 04:11:36 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Army-Radios] 7 - pin plugs for transistorizing
	tubes ?
In-Reply-To: <17358786.6605852.1575684321208@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02697C3E46AC22A86F348C78E45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<17358786.6605852.1575684321208@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269D2051D25E6E11CA549ABE45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

No, these were not the $7 each item. So I suppose I need to bite the bullet and pay the $7 each for the real thing. Or use your idea with pins from DB-25 plug.
The R-392 doesn?t have a product detector, so this is to be expected. Were you, or did you build in a product detector? That will make all the difference in the world.
-Hue

From: 'J Mcvey'
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Army-Radios] 7 - pin plugs for transistorizing tubes ?

Are those the $7 ones? I'd send them back , lest you damage the tube sockets.
The D25 or any of the D series pin fit perfectly. I use a thin needle nose to insert them.

The PC board for the cascode has three of the pins soldered to the board and two with short offset wires to align with the pins . Of coarse, the pin #'s are counted CCW from the top an I have to careful to get them in the right holes, it takes about 15 seconds to accomplish.
The cascode board is thin and tall, so I installed the gain adjustment pot on the top for easy access.
Most of the others are only three pins, except the Audio output board which is built into an old octal socket.

I noticed that the native  BFO amplitude needs to be beefed up to better handle loud SSB signals. I get distortion unless I turn down the RF gain.
Do have the same issue?

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From n2lxm at juno.com  Sat Dec  7 10:39:57 2019
From: n2lxm at juno.com (n2lxm at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remenbering Peal Harbor
Message-ID: <AABQ8ZT9NAX3AXA2@smtpout04.vgs.untd.com>

Good Morning All,



                                                                         
God Bless Them All.



                                                    Jeff N2LXM
                                          Amateur Radio Operator
                                                      American
                                                        Patriot
                                     Proud Father of Two US Marines
____________________________________________________________
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From n2lxm at juno.com  Sat Dec  7 10:58:00 2019
From: n2lxm at juno.com (n2lxm at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
Message-ID: <AABQ8ZVAPAT8Q49J@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>

Greetings All,





              God Bless Them All,


                                                    Jeff N2LXM
                                          Amateur Radio Operator
                                                      American
                                                        Patriot
                                     Proud Father of Two US Marines
____________________________________________________________
Urologist Tells Men To "Fix" Their ED With This New Trick!
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From joeconnor53 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  7 11:42:52 2019
From: joeconnor53 at yahoo.com (Joe Connor)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 16:42:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
In-Reply-To: <AABQ8ZVAPAT8Q49J@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABQ8ZVAPAT8Q49J@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <314536968.10166920.1575736972810@mail.yahoo.com>

 It's still amazing to thing how the Navy and Army could get caught so flat-footed at Pearl Harbor. In researching it for a few projects in the last few years, I came across some interesting information:

1. Yamamoto, who planned the attack, never expected it to be a sneak attack. He assumed the Japanese government would declare war first, even if it was only moments before the first bomb fell. He was not happy when he discovered no declaration of war had preceded the attack.

2. While Pearl Harbor was seen as a stinging defeat at the time, the Japanese had actually missed their golden opportunity. If they had launched a second strike and taken out the above-ground fuel tanks and the dry-dock repair facilities, the Navy would have been in a tough spot. Luckily for the U.S., our carriers were at sea at the time of the attack.

????????????????????????? ? Joe Connor

    On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 11:59:21 AM GMT-4, n2lxm at juno.com <n2lxm at juno.com> wrote:  
 
  Greetings All,????????????????? God Bless Them All,?
??????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jeff N2LXM
????????????????????????????????????????? Amateur Radio Operator
????????????????????????????????????????????????????? American
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Patriot
???????????????????????????????????? Proud Father of Two US Marines


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From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Sat Dec  7 12:54:16 2019
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
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Hi,

That Japanese did launch two strikes. The third would have taken those 
targets (presumably). The commander was afraid of discovery and 
destruction of his assets by our carriers and other assets (not in port 
that day).

About six months later that is exactly what happened at Midway.

73,

Bill  KU8H

On 12/7/19 11:42 AM, Joe Connor via Milsurplus wrote:
> It's still amazing to thing how the Navy and Army could get caught so 
> flat-footed at Pearl Harbor. In researching it for a few projects in the 
> last few years, I came across some interesting information:
> 
> 1. Yamamoto, who planned the attack, never expected it to be a sneak 
> attack. He assumed the Japanese government would declare war first, even 
> if it was only moments before the first bomb fell. He was not happy when 
> he discovered no declaration of war had preceded the attack.
> 
> 2. While Pearl Harbor was seen as a stinging defeat at the time, the 
> Japanese had actually missed their golden opportunity. If they had 
> launched a second strike and taken out the above-ground fuel tanks and 
> the dry-dock repair facilities, the Navy would have been in a tough 
> spot. Luckily for the U.S., our carriers were at sea at the time of the 
> attack.
> 
> 
>  ????????????????????????? ? Joe Connor
> 
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 11:59:21 AM GMT-4, n2lxm at juno.com 
> <n2lxm at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Greetings All,
> God Bless Them All,
> 
> Jeff N2LXM
> Amateur Radio Operator
> American
> Patriot
> Proud Father of Two US Marines
> 
> 
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From brooke at pacific.net  Sat Dec  7 13:18:29 2019
From: brooke at pacific.net (Brooke Clarke)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:18:29 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11051.1575736984.13236.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.11051.1575736984.13236.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Joe:

This is one of the things I've spent some time studying as part of my interest in all things crypto and other military 
stuff.? Some comments and trivia follow.

1. Japan sent a declaration of war to their embassy in Washington that was supposed to be read to the US prior to the 
attack, but they were slow in decryption and so it arrived after the attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_declaration_of_war_on_the_United_States_and_the_British_Empire

2. Correct.? You can see the fuel tanks on the hills in the camera footage from the attacking planes.? But it's even 
worse. Battleships were a development to counter the range of a torpedo. "Range" means how far a torpedo can go when 
fired.? It is much much greater than the range at which the probability of hitting a ship is 50%.? That's to say 
battleships were designed for a non existent threat.? Also note that the "Range" of guns on a battleship have the same 
definitions.?? That's so say the big guns can not hit a ship at the specified "Range".? To sum up battleships were 
worthless before they were built, so when sank there was no reduction to the threat to Japan.

+3. The US torpedoes at the start of W.W.II were worthless because of multiple design errors.? see:
https://prc68.com/I/Torpedoes.html#Background
By the end of W.W.II everyone had working torpedoes, but people still believed in the "Range" numbers and did not take 
into account the P50 range, except for the Japanese which had a Kamikaze version.? See: 
https://prc68.com/I/Torpedoes.html#USS_Indianapolis

+4.? The Navy developed the Norden (horizontal) Bomb Sight and after testing found it did NOT work so went to dive 
bombing.? The Army took up the Norden and put it into thousands of bombers.? It still did not work.? The idea of 
horizontal precision bombing is a myth. See: https://prc68.com/I/Gyroscopes.html#Norden

+5. The A-1 Skyraider included dive bombing in it's capabilities. The half silvered mirror above the instrument panel 
while commonly called a "gun sight" is in fact a multipurpose sight that includes dive bombing.? See: 
https://prc68.com/I/Mk20Mod4Gun-BombSight.shtml

+6.? In the 1930s there were a number of jewelry store robberies where the combination lock was manipulated.? This was 
not made public at the time.? The countermeasure was to install a time of day combination lock like used in bank vaults 
today.? These were used on the vaults at Pearl Harbor. Since 7 December 1941 was a Sunday and the time locks were set 
for Monday morning, they could not open the vaults in order to get the code keys needed to decrypt the message from 
Washington warning of the attack. Hopefully the military today would not make the second mistake in sending a message 
encrypted when there is no value in doing so. A plain text message in ALL CAPS would have been a better choice.
https://prc68.com/I/Locks.html#G2Patents and patent number 2575674 in particular for a better combination lock.? Note 
that even this clock can now be manipulated, but as far as I know the modern electronic combination dial lock that is 
the standard for government security vaults can not be manipulated. https://prc68.com/I/Locks.html#Electronic_Combination
PS All of the "safes" sold in consumer stores can be opened very quickly and only protect their contents from honest 
people.? That's to say they are about as effective as the locks on bedroom doors in homes.? This includes pretty much 
all "gun safes".

+7.? The Navy at China Lake was involved in the development of many W.W.II items. https://prc68.com/I/ChinaLakePatents.html

+8.? Some info on the first Sonobuoy the CRT-1. https://prc68.com/I/CRT-1BSonobuoy.html, 
<https://prc68.com/I/CRT-1BSonobuoy.html>

+9. Some info on the Gibson Girl, CRT-3. https://prc68.com/I/GibsonGirl.html

+10. Professor "Doc" Edgerton developed the electronic flash tube.
http://www.prc68.com/I/Edgerton.html
http://www.prc68.com/I/GRstrobotac.html
One application was a very high powered flash mounted in a bomber to carry the weight of the generators and capacitor 
bank to support aerial photography.
It turns out that the high voltage circuitry needed for the flash was just the thing (Krytron) needed to set off an 
implosion atomic bomb.? That equipment was shipped from the East Coast to Los Alamos.
http://www.prc68.com/I/GRstrobotac.html
The "E" in EG&G is Edgerton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG%26G#History

11. Flying saucers got their start in W.W.II technology that spanned into the cold war.
https://prc68.com/I/Sonobuoy.shtml#Roswell

Many of the above discoveries above are tempered by the two axioms shown below in my signature block.

-- 
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
https://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
axioms:
1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it works.
2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs.

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> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 16:42:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Joe Connor <joeconnor53 at yahoo.com>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net, "n2lxm at juno.com" <n2lxm at juno.com>
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
> Message-ID: <314536968.10166920.1575736972810 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>   It's still amazing to thing how the Navy and Army could get caught so flat-footed at Pearl Harbor. In researching it for a few projects in the last few years, I came across some interesting information:
>
> 1. Yamamoto, who planned the attack, never expected it to be a sneak attack. He assumed the Japanese government would declare war first, even if it was only moments before the first bomb fell. He was not happy when he discovered no declaration of war had preceded the attack.
>
> 2. While Pearl Harbor was seen as a stinging defeat at the time, the Japanese had actually missed their golden opportunity. If they had launched a second strike and taken out the above-ground fuel tanks and the dry-dock repair facilities, the Navy would have been in a tough spot. Luckily for the U.S., our carriers were at sea at the time of the attack.
>
> ????????????????????????? ? Joe Connor
>
>      

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From joeconnor53 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  7 13:27:18 2019
From: joeconnor53 at yahoo.com (Joe Connor)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
In-Reply-To: <5ab8ed62-4613-0417-d068-eeea7d50f673@pacific.net>
References: <mailman.11051.1575736984.13236.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
	<5ab8ed62-4613-0417-d068-eeea7d50f673@pacific.net>
Message-ID: <708018928.10217536.1575743238329@mail.yahoo.com>

 Great stuff, Brooke. The message that was supposed to be delivered by the Japanese embassy in Washington wasn't even a declaration of war. It was a notice that Japan was breaking off the ongoing negotiations with the U.S. over their differences in the Pacific (e.g., Japanese expansion, U.S. oil embargo etc.) The notice didn't even break off diplomatic relations with the U.S. Japan was trying to get the benefits of a sneak attack while trying to give itself cover to deny that the attack was, in fact, a sneak attack. In Tokyo, the Japanese had a declaration of war all prepared and ready to go but held it until later in the day on December 7th.?
????????????????????????????? ? Joe Connor

    On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 02:19:06 PM GMT-4, Brooke Clarke <brooke at pacific.net> wrote:  
 
   Hi Joe:
 
 This is one of the things I've spent some time studying as part of my interest in all things crypto and other military stuff.? Some comments and trivia follow.
 
 1. Japan sent a declaration of war to their embassy in Washington that was supposed to be read to the US prior to the attack, but they were slow in decryption and so it arrived after the attack.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_declaration_of_war_on_the_United_States_and_the_British_Empire
 
 2. Correct.? You can see the fuel tanks on the hills in the camera footage from the attacking planes.? But it's even worse.? Battleships were a development to counter the range of a torpedo.? "Range" means how far a torpedo can go when fired.? It is much much greater than the range at which the probability of hitting a ship is 50%.? That's to say battleships were designed for a non existent threat.? Also note that the "Range" of guns on a battleship have the same definitions.?? That's so say the big guns can not hit a ship at the specified "Range".? To sum up battleships were worthless before they were built, so when sank there was no reduction to the threat to Japan.? 
 
 +3. The US torpedoes at the start of W.W.II were worthless because of multiple design errors.? see:
 https://prc68.com/I/Torpedoes.html#Background
 By the end of W.W.II everyone had working torpedoes, but people still believed in the "Range" numbers and did not take into account the P50 range, except for the Japanese which had a Kamikaze version.? See: https://prc68.com/I/Torpedoes.html#USS_Indianapolis
 
 +4.? The Navy developed the Norden (horizontal) Bomb Sight and after testing found it did NOT work so went to dive bombing.? The Army took up the Norden and put it into thousands of bombers.? It still did not work.? The idea of horizontal precision bombing is a myth.? See: https://prc68.com/I/Gyroscopes.html#Norden
 
 +5. The A-1 Skyraider included dive bombing in it's capabilities.? The half silvered mirror above the instrument panel while commonly called a "gun sight" is in fact a multipurpose sight that includes dive bombing.? See:? https://prc68.com/I/Mk20Mod4Gun-BombSight.shtml
 
 +6.? In the 1930s there were a number of jewelry store robberies where the combination lock was manipulated.? This was not made public at the time.? The countermeasure was to install a time of day combination lock like used in bank vaults today.? These were used on the vaults at Pearl Harbor. Since 7 December 1941 was a Sunday and the time locks were set for Monday morning, they could not open the vaults in order to get the code keys needed to decrypt the message from Washington warning of the attack. Hopefully the military today would not make the second mistake in sending a message encrypted when there is no value in doing so. A plain text message in ALL CAPS would have been a better choice.
 https://prc68.com/I/Locks.html#G2Patents and patent number 2575674 in particular for a better combination lock.? Note that even this clock can now be manipulated, but as far as I know the modern electronic combination dial lock that is the standard for government security vaults can not be manipulated. https://prc68.com/I/Locks.html#Electronic_Combination
 PS All of the "safes" sold in consumer stores can be opened very quickly and only protect their contents from honest people.? That's to say they are about as effective as the locks on bedroom doors in homes.? This includes pretty much all "gun safes".
 
 +7.? The Navy at China Lake was involved in the development of many W.W.II items.? https://prc68.com/I/ChinaLakePatents.html
 
 +8.? Some info on the first Sonobuoy the CRT-1. https://prc68.com/I/CRT-1BSonobuoy.html,? 
 
 +9. Some info on the Gibson Girl, CRT-3.? https://prc68.com/I/GibsonGirl.html
 
 +10. Professor "Doc" Edgerton developed the electronic flash tube. 
 ?http://www.prc68.com/I/Edgerton.html
 http://www.prc68.com/I/GRstrobotac.html
 One application was a very high powered flash mounted in a bomber to carry the weight of the generators and capacitor bank to support aerial photography.
 It turns out that the high voltage circuitry needed for the flash was just the thing (Krytron) needed to set off an implosion atomic bomb.? That equipment was shipped from the East Coast to Los Alamos. 
 http://www.prc68.com/I/GRstrobotac.html
 The "E" in EG&G is Edgerton.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG%26G#History
 
 11. Flying saucers got their start in W.W.II technology that spanned into the cold war.
 https://prc68.com/I/Sonobuoy.shtml#Roswell
 
 Many of the above discoveries above are tempered by the two axioms shown below in my signature block.
 -- 
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
https://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
axioms:
1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it works.
2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs.
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 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 16:42:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: Joe Connor <joeconnor53 at yahoo.com>
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net, "n2lxm at juno.com" <n2lxm at juno.com>
Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Remembering Peal Harbor
Message-ID: <314536968.10166920.1575736972810 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 It's still amazing to thing how the Navy and Army could get caught so flat-footed at Pearl Harbor. In researching it for a few projects in the last few years, I came across some interesting information:

1. Yamamoto, who planned the attack, never expected it to be a sneak attack. He assumed the Japanese government would declare war first, even if it was only moments before the first bomb fell. He was not happy when he discovered no declaration of war had preceded the attack.

2. While Pearl Harbor was seen as a stinging defeat at the time, the Japanese had actually missed their golden opportunity. If they had launched a second strike and taken out the above-ground fuel tanks and the dry-dock repair facilities, the Navy would have been in a tough spot. Luckily for the U.S., our carriers were at sea at the time of the attack.

????????????????????????? ? Joe Connor

    
 
 
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  7 14:42:07 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:42:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remebering Pearl Harbor
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Amazing that there is nothing online news, as on Yahoo about this date.  Google usually dresses up it's logo on special days, guess 12/7 is not one of them, perhaps they don't want to offend the Japanese.  My father's first tour with the Navy was 1926-32, the second 1/42 to 10/45, the second time around entirely in the Pacific Theater.   While we all know the events of the day, one thing you have to dig for is some things most don't consider.  Sailors, Army, Marines, Coast Guardsmen, all firing weapons in the air, .30 cal to 5 inchers.  Where did it all go?  Alot landed in civilian areas, blowing up buildings and taking out folks.  Ships raked other ships, pure chaos in the fight that has the enemy right in amongst you.  I posted a query one time on a gun related site on their European menu about aerial combat in WW II.  If you go on Youtube today, and look up  gun camera footage, you may note that many times, what is beyond the intended target are towns and villages.  I asked if anybody had relatives killed by rounds in such conditions.  I got several replies, no one they knew were killed, one remembers a round going through his kitchen window, but they all said the biggest danger was the spent shell casings.  You got inside or under cover for the rain of brass that might come down on your head.  Take a look at some of the video showing under the wing of a P51 when all six .50 cals are going, constant flow of brass, and it had to go somewhere.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Mon Dec  9 09:52:52 2019
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 14:52:52 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Pearl Harbor additional thoughts
Message-ID: <ab98f830716f46f0baefacbaae2f6e55@EXCHMBX01.salisbury.edu>

Couple thoughts about December 7th and Pearl Harbor, if you are around Baltimore and Washington a couple things that are worth seeing is first the National Electronics Museum located right next to BWI. In their collection is a reconstructed SCR-270 trailer along with the antenna trailer for the 270 with its antenna. Amazing if you never saw a first generation A scan VHF radar system and just how primitive that system was. In order to obtain azimuth readings you had to look outside at the base of the antenna trailer and read the azimuth from a large ring on the base of the antenna support.
In the movie "Tora Tora Tora" they had a SCR-270 for the radar scenes, not like the later Perl Harbor movie that used a couple shots of something with a PPI display, something that did not exist at the time.
I think Info Age up in New Jersey may have a SCR-270 but I have not been there in several years and the last time I was up there saw no sign of it. The significance would be that the SCR-270 was developed at Fort Monmouth.
The National Electronics Museum web site is:
http://www.nationalelectronicsmuseum.org/

Down 97 and over on 32 next to the NSA/CSS facilities you can find the National Cryptologic Museum that among other items has the Red cipher decoder that allowed us to read Japan's diplomatic traffic before Pearl Harbor.
The NCM has a collection that's well above anything else considering they have not only the Red and Purple systems but also a huge collection of Enigma systems, components of SIGSALY and the U.S. Navy Cryptanalytic Bombe along with exhibits covering everything in the world of cryptology from the Civil War to today.

National Cryptologic Museum website:
https://www.nsa.gov/about/cryptologic-heritage/museum/

Ray F/KA3EKH
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From mstangelo at comcast.net  Mon Dec  9 11:05:47 2019
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (MICHAEL ST ANGELO)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:05:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Pearl Harbor additional thoughts
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References: <ab98f830716f46f0baefacbaae2f6e55@EXCHMBX01.salisbury.edu>
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Ray,

I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to National Electronics Museum and recommend it when in the Baltimore area.

The SCR-270 was developed in the Camp Evans section of Fort Monmouth which is site of present Info Age. The army was worried about German spies in Fort Monmouth and moved the testing to Fort Hancock at Sandy Hook.

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-270>

I took a "Coastal Defenses" tour at Sandy Hook. There are four concrete pilings at low tide at the Fishing Beach. The guide mentioned that this was the base for the SCR-270 radar and they calibrated the range by reflecting signals off of the Coney Island Parachute Jump tower which is about 8 miles away. I'm still trying to verify these facts with the park historian.

I don't believe they have a SCR-270 radar at Info Age.

Mike N2MS





> On December 9, 2019 at 9:52 AM Ray Fantini <RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Couple thoughts about December 7th and Pearl Harbor, if you are around Baltimore and Washington a couple things that are worth seeing is first the National Electronics Museum located right next to BWI. In their collection is a reconstructed SCR-270 trailer along with the antenna trailer for the 270 with its antenna. Amazing if you never saw a first generation A scan VHF radar system and just how primitive that system was. In order to obtain azimuth readings you had to look outside at the base of the antenna trailer and read the azimuth from a large ring on the base of the antenna support.
> 
>     In the movie ?Tora Tora Tora? they had a SCR-270 for the radar scenes, not like the later Perl Harbor movie that used a couple shots of something with a PPI display, something that did not exist at the time.
> 
>     I think Info Age up in New Jersey may have a SCR-270 but I have not been there in several years and the last time I was up there saw no sign of it. The significance would be that the SCR-270 was developed at Fort Monmouth.
> 
>      
> 
>     The National Electronics Museum web site is:
> 
>     http://www.nationalelectronicsmuseum.org/
> 
>      
> 
>     Down 97 and over on 32 next to the NSA/CSS facilities you can find the National Cryptologic Museum that among other items has the Red cipher decoder that allowed us to read Japan's diplomatic traffic before Pearl Harbor.
> 
>     The NCM has a collection that?s well above anything else considering they have not only the Red and Purple systems but also a huge collection of Enigma systems, components of SIGSALY and the U.S. Navy Cryptanalytic Bombe along with exhibits covering everything in the world of cryptology from the Civil War to today. 
> 
>      
> 
>     National Cryptologic Museum website:
> 
>     https://www.nsa.gov/about/cryptologic-heritage/museum/
> 
>      
> 
>     Ray F/KA3EKH
> 
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  9 13:08:35 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 18:08:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] One more Pearl Harbor story
Message-ID: <452614733.7174087.1575914915649@mail.yahoo.com>

I copied this link and checked it a couple time to make sure it worked.  While arranged to explain the origins of a Ruger pistol, it still is historically accurate.  Here is a tale you probably have not heard about:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/the-pearl-harbor-niihau-incident-a-tidy-little-war/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20191209_BlogDigest_358&utm_campaign=/digest/the-pearl-harbor-niihau-incident-a-tidy-little-war/

I hope when it get posted the link still works and is not modified in some way.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec  9 14:54:42 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:54:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] One more Pearl Harbor story
In-Reply-To: <452614733.7174087.1575914915649@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <452614733.7174087.1575914915649@mail.yahoo.com>
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My parents, knowing I would be interested in this subject, some years  back gave me this book, "The Nihau Incident".
At the time I visited the Honolulu museum, it was still quite new, I gather, and planning for growth. They were talking about getting possession of this airfield tower, one still marked with bullet scars.

The pilot apparently was not much trained in radio. To think that his low power, around 10 watt HF AM radio, with a short horizontal antenna, could reach the fleet, was totally unrealistic. Or that
the fleet could afford to rescue him. As I recall now, there was some kind of Japanese planning for rescuing downed pilots, but I'm sure it was not very extensive or effective at best. Probably if the
fleet had learned of the pilot's predicament, the advice would have been to "gracefully exit this life". 

Subject: [Milsurplus] One more Pearl Harbor story

I copied this link and checked it a couple time to make sure it worked.  While arranged to explain the origins of a Ruger pistol, it still is historically accurate.  Here is a tale you probably have not heard about:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/the-pearl-harbor-niihau-incident-a-tidy-little-war/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20191209_BlogDigest_358&utm_campaign=/digest/the-pearl-harbor-niihau-incident-a-tidy-little-war/

I hope when it get posted the link still works and is not modified in some way.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec  9 15:02:08 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:02:08 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] One more Pearl Harbor story
In-Reply-To: <452614733.7174087.1575914915649@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <452614733.7174087.1575914915649@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02692D5349FE5C6EC47264B4E4580@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Well, my trigger happy computer sent my last without it being quite complete. 
I wanted also to comment: 
So when you hear or see one of the periodic revivals of the Japanese Internment story, you might ask yourself, did the Nihau incident weigh into this decision at all ? 
This was the first meeting of a Japanese 'enemy' with Americans of Japanese descent, and the way it developed might not inspire a lot of trust.
-Hue 

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 20:33:56 2019
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:33:56 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Film - 1918 USN antenna tower construction in France
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfkgyzjODfwLaaTRiCNs2JzqPt2uRvL_qJOMAY-_qqs2w@mail.gmail.com>

Starting at 3:45 in this film -
https://d3hg138m6n7vnh.cloudfront.net/lz/mopix/111/h/111-h-1378-r2.mp4

More info on the Lafayette transmitter (2 megawatts) at
http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta-prewar.htm#lafayette

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 10 00:53:51 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 05:53:51 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Another GRC-9 dial light option
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269EE4D0F513E997DA5CE5DE45B0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Richard Brunner described the procedure for wiring a bright white LED in series with the receiver B+ for a vastly improved dial lighting.
Here is another LED option.
You need to buy a "single battery LED" as I described earlier. This small screw base bulb is the same size as small flashlight bulb #112
and like the incandescent, runs off 1.5 volts, via the tiny "joule thief" oscillator inside. You also need to buy a screw base lamp socket to
fit, one with wire leads only, no mounting flange. This socket can be wired via a stiff wire right to the existing bayonet socket leads, the
stiff wire suspending in place the new screw base socket. The pull will be about 80 mA, and i think it will be switched as the original
function went. You position the socket for best projection of the light. With this lamp, the dial actually looks white, not yellow. The
numbers stand out. I tried to photograph this but my camera cannot deal with the bright to dark extreme contrast, so no dial numbers
show.
You may rightly be asking, does this joule thief, probably operating in the high tens of kHz, generate RFI. I don't know ! I do not have
enough playground time allowance right now to fetch my receiver PS. Worst case, if it generates RFI and you leave in place the original
switching, it only RFIs while the button is pressed. For now, I am leaving RFI investigate to the lead scientist on this project, R. Brunner.

I think I will be satisfied, however, with the method Richard described, as it adds zero current drain for a satisfactory light level.
-Hue

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Dec 10 03:43:23 2019
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:43:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] STACO Type 501 "Variac" 0.7KVA
In-Reply-To: <1065609223.3104260.1575444965036@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1065609223.3104260.1575444965036.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1065609223.3104260.1575444965036@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <466719371.6084811.1575967403973@mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone interested in one of these? Just the transformer & knob, unmounted.

WayneWB4OGM

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Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2019 12:37 am
Subject: [Hallicrafters] Rack/Cabinet handles?

RAF Electronics Hardware item 8182-1032-A. Found a bunch new in plastic packaging. Not sure it included the screws/washers. Unpriced but can probably get them pretty cheap. Retailers look to be wanting $15-$20 each for these silly things.
http://www.rafhdwe.com/catalog/root/8182-1032-a
"Round shaped handles are made of Aluminum. The length and height of the handle are 4", 1-1/2" respectively.?Bar dia?5/16". Tapped hole thread Size?10-32 UNF."
WayneWB4OGM
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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Dec 10 03:46:16 2019
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:46:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12W5GT?
References: <1799570189.6162580.1575967576457.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1799570189.6162580.1575967576457@mail.yahoo.com>

There's a bunch of 12W5GT in boxes. Anyone use these? If interested I can sort thru them & ensure the contents match the boxes.

WayneWB4OGM
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 15:11:07 2019
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:11:07 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Navy VLF transmitter site photos
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdGDYLETW5BapnMkT9m21Or7qyomu+V1BCvxnce0=aq2Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/heidig.htm

I just added lots of photos from an engineer who worked on these monster
installations.

Cheers
Nick
-- 
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 10 17:55:03 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 22:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Navy fliers and airborne radars cancer risk ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269E2CBFD55D19C6F4DA22AE45B0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Here is an article I was forwarded. About possible dangers to Navy fliers from high powered airborne radars.
Forwarded by me without pro or con comment, as I'm not well enough informed on this subject to comment.
-H

https://taskandpurpose.com/if-jet-radars-dont-raise-cancer-risk-why-did-the-navy-coat-some-cockpits-in-gold

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 10 23:25:17 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 04:25:17 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Comet tank headset 1945 ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269E002EC4FBE2D7BF7FC26E45A0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I do not recognize this Comet tankman's headset. I don't recall that it looks like the standard No.19 Set headphone.
This is from a Mark Felton video about Comet vs. Tiger, Germany 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJTLN9A-k8o
thanks-
Hue

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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 11 09:59:50 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 14:59:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Radar as a health aid
Message-ID: <1200790537.7863197.1576076390173@mail.yahoo.com>

Interesting story about the airborne radar.  I worked on a couple systems some 45 years ago, all but one was fire control and radiated out the nose of the aircraft, but did work on one tube type that I have forgotten the correct ID on but was on EC121 Super Connies.  It had a 1 million watt ERP, and I think it needed the EC121 airframe to just get the radar set off the ground.  Before sailors and others knew any better, it was not uncommon for them to arrive in the avionics shop and stand in front of the dish on the nose radar mounted in the test rack in the shop and give themselves a shot you know where so that shore leave did not leave any little sailors behind 9 months later.  The RF would kill off the procreating elements for a while.  I worked at a long range site for a year of TDY, 4 million watts ERP, but we had a blackout switch when the sail was pointed at the building, that sort of worked.  The Air Force came along an put in a height finder radar, supposedly placed a safe distance away, it was 5 megawatts ERP.  It had a constantly failing blackout switch too, failure indicated by the breakroom TV wiping out and fluorescent lights coming on when they were off.   Thankfully they seldom aimed the height finder due west towards the building.  This was a 24 hour manned facility, every man except one, and I guess myself who got out after a year, every man died of cancer in their 50's and early 60's.  My faith in OSHA, which was not much, was proven to question their abilities when they came out one time to do RF radiation checks.  The OSHA guy with his tester and sensor that looked like a long microphone, dutifully climbed the ladder to the antenna, we overrode the safety switch so opening the hatch did not shut down the radar, and he walked up and held the sensor up as high as he could and did not get one reading of anything.  I think the sensor burned out as he drove up to the building.  His thousand dollar test set gave nothing when  I think a 1N34 and milliammeter would pin out at 4 megawatts on 1.3Ghz.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 11 16:05:41 2019
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:05:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Radar as a health aid
Message-ID: <1832163065.1849.1576098341881@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> Before sailors and others knew any better, it was not uncommon for
> them to arrive in the avionics shop and stand in front of the dish
> on the nose radar mounted in the test rack in the shop and give
> themselves a shot you know where so that shore leave did not
> leave any little sailors behind 9 months later.  The RF would
> kill off the procreating elements for a while.

That tale is wildly fanciful, improbable, and certainly contains not a shred of truth.

I don't believe it for a second.  I hope nobody else is so gullible.

Mike / KK5F
USN/USNR, 1970 to 1985

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 11 16:43:38 2019
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:43:38 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Radar as a health aid
In-Reply-To: <1832163065.1849.1576098341881@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1832163065.1849.1576098341881@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5DF1630A.3000809@earthlink.net>

"That tale is wildly fanciful, improbable, and certainly contains not a 
shred of truth. I don't believe it for a second. I hope nobody else is 
so gullible."

Makes more sense than cellular telephones causing health risks, when the 
technology has changed numerous times, power, frequency, and modulation 
schemes, since the mid-1940's, the stories beginning in the late-70's, 
but the specific claim hasn't, the only commonality being, "cellular 
telephone", and "health risk"...

It's probably along the lines of microwave ovens "nuking" things. Nukes 
kill, and they have radiation, a microwave oven cooks using radiation, 
so an oven must have the associated dangers, and health risks of a 
nuclear bomb, no mater how different they are.

Regarding wireless phones, "cellular" is like cells in your body, and 
wireless "radiates", to cellular damage, due to radiation.

Never underestimate the power of complete morons to misassociate 
drastically different things, tell themselves a story, get scared by 
their own ignorance, then watch it become the new reality accepted by 
almost everyone.

Regarding radar, some can heat things, heat kills things, the same 
specific outcome noted in spas for millennia, so to those that put green 
and 14 together, coming up with square, this makes perfect sense!

Kurt

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec 11 18:00:08 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:00:08 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] GRC-9 bias battery ideas
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269F08E79B7CC5AA2D0F3DDE45A0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

This regarding the GRC-9 bias battery: I have ordered this 3 button cell, 4.5 volt battery  holder.
I realize the photo gives no idea of size, but it is apparently only about 2 cm long and around half that wide.
The cost is nothing. I think it has solder tabs for attaching leads.
The cost is insignificant. The batteries are common. The wait for delivery time is about "forever", and for
some reason, the shipping charge is a lot more than the actual item. I will advise how this works out. I also
ordered a couple AAAA battery holders, but this button cell device looks better.
sez Hue.

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From jphutch60bj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 11 21:52:32 2019
From: jphutch60bj at gmail.com (John Hutchins)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:52:32 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] 7 - pin plugs for transistorizing tubes ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02697C3E46AC22A86F348C78E45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02697C3E46AC22A86F348C78E45E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e0e4b74b-7a03-4d97-1b6e-7f16e90afafe@gmail.com>

Grand-Pa always said you cant fit a square pin in round hole ?-}

On 12/6/2019 7:42 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>
> We recently had a discussion about solidstating tube equipment. One 
> poster talked about his project to transistorize the R-392.
>
> My kind of project ? or at least, to think about.
> So I obtained some 7 pin plugs to build solidstate onto. I noted that 
> these plugs have square pins, though, not round. I found
>
> that these seat very hard. In fact, pushing the plug pretty hard, as 
> hard as I would really want or dare to, the plug only partially
>
> seated. Perhaps this is enough, but it doesn't do much for my 
> confidence in continued functioning. So my question is, what were
>
> these plugs intended to mate with ??? I find it hard to imagine that 
> you had to hammer them home. That would make them
>
> quite hard to ever remove?
>
> thanks-
>
> Hue Miller
>
>
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From bruce-macmillan3 at sky.com  Thu Dec 12 04:18:21 2019
From: bruce-macmillan3 at sky.com (Bruce MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:18:21 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Comet tank headset 1945 ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269E002EC4FBE2D7BF7FC26E45A0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269E002EC4FBE2D7BF7FC26E45A0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3d34956d-5196-57be-152f-2694c128ef39@sky.com>

Looks like a British mic/headset??? #13 for the 19 set.
Bruce
M0SOE

On 11/12/2019 04:25, Hubert Miller wrote:
>
> I do not recognize this Comet tankman's headset. I don't recall that 
> it looks like the standard No.19 Set headphone.
>
> This is from a Mark Felton video about Comet vs. Tiger, Germany 1945.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJTLN9A-k8o
>
> thanks-
>
> Hue
>
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From bruce-macmillan3 at sky.com  Thu Dec 12 04:18:21 2019
From: bruce-macmillan3 at sky.com (Bruce MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:18:21 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Comet tank headset 1945 ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269E002EC4FBE2D7BF7FC26E45A0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269E002EC4FBE2D7BF7FC26E45A0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3d34956d-5196-57be-152f-2694c128ef39@sky.com>

Looks like a British mic/headset??? #13 for the 19 set.
Bruce
M0SOE

On 11/12/2019 04:25, Hubert Miller wrote:
>
> I do not recognize this Comet tankman's headset. I don't recall that 
> it looks like the standard No.19 Set headphone.
>
> This is from a Mark Felton video about Comet vs. Tiger, Germany 1945.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJTLN9A-k8o
>
> thanks-
>
> Hue
>
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 13 01:44:27 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 06:44:27 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown B-17 antenna ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269F962364784D3397F673FE4540@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

What is this on the fuselage of the plane?
-Hue

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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Sat Dec 14 10:44:56 2019
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 15:44:56 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] R-392 parts needed
Message-ID: <5081cece-172a-1ebb-b7ad-df1281a3e5a0@metrocast.net>

Hi

I am in need of some R-392 mechanical parts to get the 3-2 MHz 2nd 
Variable IF section running. I have two receivers that are both missing 
parts in this section. Receiver #1 is only missing the three slugs with 
the tuning shaft and slotted ends.? Receiver #2 is missing the three 
slugs as well as the wide slug rack that moves up and down on the cams, 
along with the two springs that provide tension to the slug rack. I 
wonder if anyone has a Hangar Queen or a junk unit that they would be 
willing to "part" with?? I just need the slugs and the rack for the 
section way in the back on the right, the 3-2 MHz variable IF.

Thanks

Dave K1WHS


From briankn4r at gmail.com  Sat Dec 14 10:54:57 2019
From: briankn4r at gmail.com (Brian Harrison)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] PRD-1 receiver for parts available
In-Reply-To: <5081cece-172a-1ebb-b7ad-df1281a3e5a0@metrocast.net>
References: <5081cece-172a-1ebb-b7ad-df1281a3e5a0@metrocast.net>
Message-ID: <450B410E-139C-4027-826C-0D372B2A48E1@gmail.com>

All,

I have an extra parts PRD-1 receiver (only) if anyone needs
It?s in nice shape and electrically works if connected to appropriate PS (not included:-)
Receiver does not have a front cover, and the previous owner removed the DF loop turning assembly on top - so there is just an access hole on the top of the receiver.  Pictures on request...

Also - I am looking for a loop for my other keeper PRD-1 if anyone knows of one...

Tnx and Happy Holidays to all,

brian
kn4r

From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Sun Dec 15 09:55:37 2019
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:55:37 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown B-17 antenna ?
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I posted this to the Warbird Exchange forum......

" Looks like the standard AN104 antenna. The part going off on an angle is
the shadow of the leading edge of the right horizontal stabilizer."

73 Mark K3MSB

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:44 AM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

> What is this on the fuselage of the plane?
>
> -Hue
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 15 13:38:31 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 18:38:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] B17 ant
Message-ID: <1878584424.9053199.1576435111224@mail.yahoo.com>

The pics do not come through on digest mode for emails, so since one fellow mentioned the AN104, thought I would chime in.  This was the VHF ant for the SCR522.  There was also a standoff insulator that looks like a mini AN104 that passed the HF wire out the fuselage to the tail and was normally for the SCR radio gear.  The trailing wire was for the BC375, but the G model B17 had a 3PDT knife switch that appears to switch the SCR and BC375 to either the trailing wire or the tail wire.  The AN104 was a blade shaped piece of wood, hollowed out with a 1/4 wavelength wire run up the hollow, the SO239 connector on the bottom was hooked to that vertical wire, and ground/shield went to a metal band that mounted with screws or rivets to the fuselage.  There were simple wood screws from the band into the wooden blade, and the area was smeared with some form of weather proofing.  There was also a whip out the bottom for the IFF, and also a short center fed dipole on the bottom for the 75Mhz. marker beacon receiver.  A lot of this changed from model to model, and field modifications were not uncommon.  Each position in the aircraft also had a selector switch which allowed any crew member, in addition to intercom function,  to talk over the liason set, the BC375, and listen on the BC348, but only pilot, co-pilot, and navigator could talk over the SCR in addition to the liason, along with intercom to each station.  The smallest unit on the plane, the intercom set, seems to has the most complicated interplane wiring compared to any other system on the plane.
Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 16 17:27:03 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 22:27:03 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] GRC-9 bias battery: AAAA cell holder
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026915B8DA0B7C627C95BBEFE4510@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Some have soldered 3 AAAA cells together, then wrapped or heatshrunk them for the bias batt.
Here are some AAAA cell holders available from Digi Key for about $2 each. I'm thinking you can
glue these back to back and move one of the output wires to delete one cell. The two holders
back to back will fit vertically into the battery space. You will have to distort the present battery
clamp or remove it. I was thinking the two batt holders can simply be rubberbanded to C-55
next to it. The batts, if good quality, should last a long time, shelf life, and so can be easily
replaced without tools or soldering. I note that whereas we used to get AAAA cells from out
of some standard high duty 9 volt batts, you can buy AAAA cells now. I even saw these at a local
grocery store.

In the next gripping chapter: Using the 3-button cell holder ( still to arrive here. )
-Hue

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 17 01:47:04 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 06:47:04 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FW: Re-marking those washed tubes
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After you have washed that dusty, crusty 50C5 or #35 tube, the tube's markings are often gone with the dirt.
I had used a black Sharpie marker before, but here is a better solution. I bought this white oil-based ink Sharpie
at Wally World ( look in the Crafts Department ) and it makes identifying a tube in a pile so easy. The ink
adheres quite well. I do not advise washing the tube after you have once marked it with this white Sharpie,
as the marking can be rubbed off, but you certainly can rinse the tube later, without scrubbing it, and no harm done.
The white Sharpie ink adheres quite a bit better than black Sharpie as well as making all the difference in the world
in visibility.
The Sharpie cost a whole $2.64 at Wally World. Be sure you pick up the "Extra Fine Point" one, not the other one.
If  you live in the hinterlands I saw they're also available from online sellers at about twice the price. Note, this is not a
"plug & play" instrument. If you just pop off the cap and expect to start writing, you will experience the truth of the
saying, "Read the instructions first".  I of course didn't, and thought at first I'd bought a dud.

CREDITS
>From an original story by JEFF QUAY, of Chehalis, WA.
Adapted for the screen by HUBERT MILLER.

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Tue Dec 17 01:50:17 2019
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 06:50:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] FW: Re-marking those washed tubes
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IF I wash one, I wash around the labels.

WayneWB4OGM

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Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 11:47 pm
Subject: [Milsurplus] FW: Re-marking those washed tubes

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 17 17:04:42 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 22:04:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FT-241 LF crystals paint meaning ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02699FD1D2119E300F4329DEE4500@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Any idea what this color code on the fastener screws means? Some ( most ?? ) lack any paint on these screws.
-Hue Miller

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 17 17:18:21 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 22:18:21 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FW:  FT-241 LF crystals paint meaning ?
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( I have updated this post, sorry, with more  information that may be relevant. )
Any idea what this color code on the fastener screws means? Some ( the minority ?  ) lack any paint on these screws.
Other colors noted: orange, red, brown, blue. One has blue - blue, both screws blue. No pattern of difference between the 2-digit
and 3-digit channel crystals is seen. Some crystals have on the screws black + black but I do not know if this means actual
color code black or more likely, just a black colored glyptol to seal the screws. Also seen, one crystal with orange + brown
screws, and on the top ( label ) side, next to the " 34.9 M C", a small dab of orange paint.
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 17 22:56:24 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 03:56:24 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "High Frequency as a Weapon" of the Reich, 1942
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02696999BF04067F7057386EE4530@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Here is a very well done German film ca. 1942 about determining British radar locations and frequencies.
However, it is all in German. Leider kann ich ungefaehr nur 10 Prozent verstehen, but repeated watchings
will yield more. That the high end of the audio suffers and consonants are attenuated does not help me.
No doubt Richard Brunner will be able to explain more of what is going on.
I only recognized two receivers in this film. One, the Samos VHF receiver, seen clearest by itself at 12:57
of the 25 minute film. Also near the end, a 'morale radio' of a type whose name I do not remember.
The Germans certainly had a buttoned - down operation, that's my impression.
-Hue Miller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZIlqxrdgE


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From jphutch60bj at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 21:30:53 2019
From: jphutch60bj at gmail.com (John Hutchins)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 20:30:53 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] FT-241 LF crystals paint meaning ?
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to confuse the enemy?-)

On 12/17/2019 4:04 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
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> Any idea what this color code on the fastener screws means? Some ( 
> most ?? ) lack any paint on these screws.
>
> -Hue Miller
>
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From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Thu Dec 19 15:35:30 2019
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard Brunner)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:35:30 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] FT-241 LF crystals paint meaning ?
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Maybe to indicate it was checked by Quality Control, and color 
identified the inspector.? Many soldered joints have a daub of paint to 
show they have been examined - I think.

Richard, AA1P

On 12/18/2019 9:30 PM, John Hutchins wrote:
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> to confuse the enemy?-)
>
> On 12/17/2019 4:04 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>>
>> Any idea what this color code on the fastener screws means? Some ( 
>> most ?? ) lack any paint on these screws.
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>> -Hue Miller
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From scr287 at att.net  Thu Dec 19 15:51:39 2019
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:51:39 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Motorola SA-200 info wanted
References: <8f932e6e-e563-ee97-1208-03d54ad72556.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <8f932e6e-e563-ee97-1208-03d54ad72556@att.net>

I'm now the owner of one of these, a rather compact
2 channel SSB transceiver. Very clean inside and out,
no signs of damage or modifications. Even the nicads
show signs of life.

I've doped out the frequency management scheme. At some
point in the radios past, a frequency was changed, but
the old crystal, and the packing slip from ICM was stored
inside the radio, so it wasn't to hard to figure that
out. Channel one is a 4MC frequency, and I'm pretty sure
that channel two is around 5.2Mc.

So, is there a manual or other service information out
there for this radio? I gather that this is the same as
a CAI 32, but other than some basic information,
searches have drawn a blank.

Short of a manual, I'll be reverse engineering the set
to dope it out. First up is figuring out the power supply
setup.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA



From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 19 23:28:02 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 04:28:02 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] GO series transmitters ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269B93D72E136CE894B9CD8E42D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

A Navy text, undated but possibly 1941, describes the GO-3 as the "most widely used transmitter in patrol planes."  The text also describes the GO-9 transmitter and GP-5.
So, what happened to the GO-4, 5, 6, 7, and -8 ?
-Hue
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 20 11:51:34 2019
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:51:34 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] USAAF tidbits
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026966177DCF410E4D7F57B4E42D0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>


1 meter, black face, "TUNE FOR MAX", part of some kind of Bendix RDF, lamp bulb gone

1 meter, black face, no dial markings, needle rests at center

black tube cover, no nameplate and no indication a nameplate was removed. Dzus fit GF tube cover perfectly but diesn't have the raised clearance for GF's 837 tubes, so i assume for BC-230/ 430.

All available at cost of postage only. I mail on my sched, you wait patiently, when you receive it you pay by Paypal or cash.
sez Hue


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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 22 20:24:46 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 01:24:46 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unidentified PRC-?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02690E85E3E833D1F7F790E6E42E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

My friend Greg, in Seattle, tells me he saw at 'ABC Communications' store, probably in the 1990s before the store closed, in a display window,
a radio the same size and format as the PRC-8/ 9/ 10, but VHF airband. He says he thinks it was tunable, but I don't think that is accurate.
He expressed interest in buying it, but the store staff declined to sell.
What radio was this?
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 22 20:59:10 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 01:59:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unidentified PRC...
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Message-ID: <126359453.1690140.1577066350675@mail.yahoo.com>

 Might it be a PRC 113? U/V airband and sorta looks like its older cousins.

Charlie


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:51:39 -0500
From: Jack Antonio <scr287 at att.net>
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] Motorola SA-200 info wanted
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I'm now the owner of one of these, a rather compact
2 channel SSB transceiver. Very clean inside and out,
no signs of damage or modifications. Even the nicads
show signs of life.

I've doped out the frequency management scheme. At some
point in the radios past, a frequency was changed, but
the old crystal, and the packing slip from ICM was stored
inside the radio, so it wasn't to hard to figure that
out. Channel one is a 4MC frequency, and I'm pretty sure
that channel two is around 5.2Mc.

So, is there a manual or other service information out
there for this radio? I gather that this is the same as
a CAI 32, but other than some basic information,
searches have drawn a blank.

Short of a manual, I'll be reverse engineering the set
to dope it out. First up is figuring out the power supply
setup.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA




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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 04:28:02 +0000
From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
To: "milsurplus at mailman" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>,
??? "arc5 at mailman.qth.net"??? <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] GO series transmitters ?
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A Navy text, undated but possibly 1941, describes the GO-3 as the "most widely used transmitter in patrol planes."? The text also describes the GO-9 transmitter and GP-5.
So, what happened to the GO-4, 5, 6, 7, and -8 ?
-Hue
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:51:34 +0000
From: Hubert Miller <kargo_cult at msn.com>
To: List Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] USAAF tidbits
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1 meter, black face, "TUNE FOR MAX", part of some kind of Bendix RDF, lamp bulb gone

1 meter, black face, no dial markings, needle rests at center

black tube cover, no nameplate and no indication a nameplate was removed. Dzus fit GF tube cover perfectly but diesn't have the raised clearance for GF's 837 tubes, so i assume for BC-230/ 430.

All available at cost of postage only. I mail on my sched, you wait patiently, when you receive it you pay by Paypal or cash.
sez Hue


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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 01:24:46 +0000
From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
To: "milsurplus at mailman" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "main at Army-Radios.groups.io" <main at Army-Radios.groups.io>
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unidentified PRC-?
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My friend Greg, in Seattle, tells me he saw at 'ABC Communications' store, probably in the 1990s before the store closed, in a display window,
a radio the same size and format as the PRC-8/ 9/ 10, but VHF airband. He says he thinks it was tunable, but I don't think that is accurate.
He expressed interest in buying it, but the store staff declined to sell.
What radio was this?
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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Mon Dec 23 19:20:20 2019
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:20:20 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] The R-392 saga
Message-ID: <5b418fc5-259f-a126-7555-4739f23a6968@metrocast.net>

I have been working on a few R-392 receivers and found some interesting 
things.? I think I already mentioned finding the message inside of a 
disgruntled repair tech from the Vietnam era. That was pretty funny.? 
That "F.T.A." unit had so many things wrong with it, I was wondering if 
I ever would get it finished. Well, today, I think it is done. The last 
problem was having the crystal calibrator being on all the time. 
Whenever I would dig into the radio, the problem would disappear only to 
come back as soon as I tried to put things back together.? This radio 
had some serious mechanical problems with tuning racks as well. Two of 
the racks would jam, while the 2nd variable IF rack was missing. I found 
replacement parts and fixed the 2nd variable IF (3-2 MHz) only to find 
that the 4-8 MHz RF coil rack jammed along with the 8-16 MHz rack. The 
4-8 problem was that the width of the channel that the rack slides up 
and down in was only 0.261" wide, while the sliding part of the rack was 
also 0.261" in diameter. It would get stuck. The 8-16 MHz guide was 
0.264 wide. All the others were 0.267 or so. I wonder if the chassis had 
been slightly bent due to rough usage.

My solution was to get some fine emery cloth and stretch it over a thin 
flat metal bar. Then I could slide the emery cloth up and down on the 
rack guide opening to enlarge it slightly while maintaining a flat and 
smooth surface for the guide to work with. The 4-8 rack started working 
great once I got the width to about 0.264 or 0.265". The next rack still 
was hanging up and I finally figured out (after enlarging it so the rack 
would slide freely, that someone had the wrong spring installed there. 
It looked OK, but had way too little force when stretched. Thank 
goodness I had a junker RF deck to pick new parts off.? A new spring 
fixed it right up.

Once the racks all worked fine, I did a final alignment of all the coils 
and noted that the calibrator still was always on! I suspected a bad 
bypass cap in the cathodes of the calibrate circuit, but everything 
checked out OK there.? When I looked back at the mode switch that turned 
on the calibrator, it worked fine. I then removed the upper deck assy 
with AF, IF and calibrator chassis and powered it up on the bench 
without the rest of the radio. I used some bench supplies to power 
filaments and the 28 VDC "high" voltage. It all worked fine. The 
ocillator came on only when I grounded the proper pin in the connector. 
I think it was Pin 4. When I put it back together, it quit and looked 
shorted out now all the time. I dug around and determined that the cable 
harness and 20 pin plug were at fault. I took the plug apart, but all 
looked great inside there. That left the harness all by itself!? Upon 
close examination, I found that a previous repairer had positioned the 
harness too close to the gear train at some point, and the gear teeth 
had chewed through the outer plastic wrap on the cable and actually had 
dug into two shielded wires, cutting the outer shield as well as the 
insulation inside to expose the center conductor of the shielded wire. 
It happened a long time ago, as I could see green copper oxides from 
corroded flakes of copper that stained the harness.? This was all hidden 
on the underside of the harness and was almost invisible. My solution 
was to carefully pick out the two damaged wires and remove any wisps of 
braid from around the bare wires. It took me a few attempts, but 
eventually, I got it so that any shorting action was gone. Then I sealed 
everything up again with liquid electrical tape. This is a black plastic 
coating that dries to a glossy rubbery consistency and will keep any 
wisps of braid away from the center conductors. From there, it was a 
simple matter to rebolt the harness down and put the front panel back on 
the radio.? I had no desire to change out the wires in the harness. I 
think the liquid trape idea will work out OK. I have used it before 
where harnesses have been burned by errant soldering irons. I can make 
my own insulation over the exposed wires!

I swapped out a bunch of GE 0.1 MFD caps in the audio section. They were 
all leaky and making noise. Now the R-392 IS HOT on all the bands. I can 
easily pick out a weak -140 dBm signal on CW, so it is very sensitive. I 
did notice that it gets overloaded by strong BC stations at night. If I 
listen on 1.8 MHz for ham signals, I can hear all sorts of BC band 
artifacts. It isn't too serious, but it does get overloaded. Still, it 
is a joy to listen to AM broadcasts in the 8 kHz bandwidth position.? 
All three of my R-392s are early Collins Radio units from the first 
contracts.

73

Dave K1WHS


From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Dec 24 03:52:06 2019
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (arc5 at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 02:52:06 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] The R-392 saga
Message-ID: <gan2odrdj19no1mkkt9rid0v.1577177364090@email.lge.com>

Thank you for taking the time to post this, and congrats on the 392 resurrections. Always interesting follow along.TNX ON ES 73 DE Dave AB5S
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 24 04:15:04 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 09:15:04 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] The R-392 saga
In-Reply-To: <5b418fc5-259f-a126-7555-4739f23a6968@metrocast.net>
References: <5b418fc5-259f-a126-7555-4739f23a6968@metrocast.net>
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Thanks for posting this, David. It is interesting and helpful. I have a hacked R-392 in storage and I think I have now decided against getting rid of it; 
instead, after reading your experience and results, I think I'm going to repair and restore it, and cast the evil eye at some other receivers I have.
-Hue 

From k7sz at live.com  Tue Dec 24 06:23:09 2019
From: k7sz at live.com (Rich Arland)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 'Tis the Season
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Here's wishing all of you MilCom folks a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!



Vy 73

Rich  K7SZ
Bend Dipole Ranch, Dacula, Ga
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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Tue Dec 24 08:57:52 2019
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:57:52 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] The R-392 saga
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Hello Hue,

I like the R-392 a lot. ? It has the feel of the R-390 but that front 
panel just looks dangerous. It sure stands out in a crowd. I had to buy 
an RF deck to finish work on my unit. I used the 3-2 MHz variable IF 
rack and slugs, but have plenty of other parts here including most of 
the other slugs. I was going to make a list, but decided that was too 
much work, but I do want to inform people that I do have some parts if 
they come up short.? Tubes and resistors and capacitors are available, 
but the racks, slugs and coils are not off the shelf items.

I do not see many 392 sub assemblies for sale, but I know that those 
radios were everywhere back in the 60's. There must be a stash of parts 
around. I did call Fair Radio, and they have a stock of parts for the 
r-392. I did order a set of slugs from them.

My last operation on the R-392s will be a paint job. I got out my 
sander, rubber gloves, and Stripeze to remove 35 layers of OD paint.? 
Along those lines, I got to reading about spray painting and black 
wrinkle varnish in particular. I concluded that a paint oven was needed 
for good results. I found a very neat Blue M lab oven at a surplus place 
in NH. The price was very right for an oven that would fit an R-392 case 
just fine. It has stainless racks and interior and a digital readout 
temp control so I can adjust the heat for best drying. It has presets 
and I set it to 50C for baking paint.? The 392 does not need a wrinkle 
finish, but baking the paint is a big plus for any paint job. (No 
mosquitoes inside the oven!) I bought a couple of gravity feed spray 
guns and am getting ready to try my hand at re finishing the three 392 
cases. My "F.T.A." unit? (R-392 #3)has much of the front panel lettering 
worn off. I asked my Artsie Craftsie brother about silk screening.? He 
advised me to leave it alone as it adds to the provenance of the radio.? 
Still, screen printing is an option. He told me about the process. It 
gets difficult without a flat panel, but still can be done. I know some 
restorers have screens for R-390 panels. Is there any one who can do an 
R-392?? Making a good new screen is not that trivial. All three of my 
radios are early Collins units and are not engraved, and all suffer from 
less than perfect lettering.

Merry Christmas to all. I have a BC-342N that I am restoring for a 
Christmas present. The plan is to gift it to my oldest grandson to use 
in his house along with a long wire antenna. We made a crystal set 
together, and he used that for awhile, but ran out of stations to hear. 
We converted it to have a transistor audio amplifier. That made a huge 
improvement. He could separate WABC at 770 with the Toronto station at 
740 KHz. So now it is time to get him a real radio! I'll put a red bow 
on it.

Dave K1WHS

On 12/24/2019 9:15 AM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Thanks for posting this, David. It is interesting and helpful. I have a hacked R-392 in storage and I think I have now decided against getting rid of it;
> instead, after reading your experience and results, I think I'm going to repair and restore it, and cast the evil eye at some other receivers I have.
> -Hue
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From n2lxm at juno.com  Tue Dec 24 10:28:19 2019
From: n2lxm at juno.com (n2lxm at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 10:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] My Yearly Christmas Tradition,
	A Solders Christmas Story
Message-ID: <AABRAEMYNABZSPYS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>

MY Yearly Christmas Reflector Tradition. 

                                         A Solders Christmas Story
 
 
                                The embers glowed softly, and in there
dim light
                                I gazed round the room and I cherished
the sight.
                                My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
                                My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
 
                                Outside the snow fell, a blanket of
white,
                                Transforming the yard to a winter
delight.
                                The sparkling lights in the tree, I
believe,
                                Completed the magic that was Christmas
Eve.
 
                                My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was
deep,
                                Secure and surrounded by love I would
sleep
                                In perfect contentment, or so it would
seem.
                                So I slumbered, perhaps I started to
dream.
 
                                The sound wasn't loud, and it wasn't too
near,
                                But I opened my eye when it tickled my
ear.
                                Perhaps just a cough, I didn't quite
know,
                                Then the sure sounds of footsteps outside
in the snow.
 
                                My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to
hear,
                                And I crept to the door jut to see who
was near.
                                Standing out in the cold and the dark of
the night,
                                A lone figure stood, his face weary and
tight.
 
                                A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years
old.
                                Perhaps a Marine huddled here in the
cold.
                                Alone in the dark, he looked up and
smiled,
                                Standing watch over me, and my wife and
child.
 
                                "What are you doing?"I asked without fear
                                "Come in this moment, it's freezing out
here!
                                Put down your pack, brush the snow from
sleeve,
                                You should be at home on a cold Christmas
Eve!"
 
                                For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
                                Away from the cold and the snow blown in
drifts,
                                To the window that danced with a warm
fire's light
                                Then he sighed and he said "it's really
all right,
                                I'm out here by choice. I'm here every
night"
 
                                "It's my duty to stand at the front of
the line,
                                That separates you from the darkest of
times.
                                No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
                                I'm proud to stand here like my fathers
before me.
 
                                My Gramps died at "Pearl on a day in
December."
                                Then he sighed, "That?s a Christmas 'Gam
always remembers."
                                My Dad stood his watch in the jungles of
'Nam
                                And now it is my turn and so, here I am.
 
                                I've not seen my own son in more than a
while,
                                But my wife sends pictures, he's sure got
her smile.
                                Then he bent and carefully pulled from
his bag,
                                THE Red White and Blue
 an American Flag.
 
                                "I can live through the cold and the
being alone,
                                Away from family, my house and my home,
                                I can stand at my post through the rain
and the sleet,
                                I can sleep in a foxhole with little to
eat,
                                I can carry the weight of killing another
                                Or lay down my life with my sisters and
brothers
                                Who stand at the front against any and
all,
                                To insure for all time that this Flag
will not fall."
 
                                "So go back inside," he said, "harbor no
fright
                                Your family is waiting and I'll be all
right."
                                "But isn't there something I can do, at
the least,
                                "Give you money," I asked, "or prepare
you a feast?
                                It seems all too little for all that
you've done,
                                For being away from your wife and your
son."
 
                                Then his eye welled a tear that held no
regret,
                                "Just tell us you love us, and never
forget
                                To fight for our rights back at home
while we're gone.
                                To stand your own watch, no matter how
long.
 
                                For when we come home, either standing or
dead,
                                To know you remember we fought and we
bled
                                Is payment enough, and with that we will
trust.
                                That we mattered to you as you mattered
to us.


                                 Merry Christmas to ALL



                         Jeff N2LXM
                Amateur Radio Operator
                           American
                              Patriot
           Proud Father of Two US Marines

 
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From couryhouse at aol.com  Tue Dec 24 12:06:15 2019
From: couryhouse at aol.com (ED SHARPE)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:06:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] The R-392 saga
References: <16855547.2106512.1577207175546.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <16855547.2106512.1577207175546@mail.yahoo.com>


I had one of these during my adventure in the late 70s with rtty swl fun
.. the 392 was more stable than the 390 or the r 388 I had
.. wish I had not gotten rid of my 392... need to find another clean one someday.? Ed archivist at smecc....
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 David Olean <k1whs at metrocast.net> wrote:
Hello Hue,

I like the R-392 a lot. ? It has the feel of the R-390 but that front 
panel just looks dangerous. It sure stands out in a crowd. I had to buy 
an RF deck to finish work on my unit. I used the 3-2 MHz variable IF 
rack and slugs, but have plenty of other parts here including most of 
the other slugs. I was going to make a list, but decided that was too 
much work, but I do want to inform people that I do have some parts if 
they come up short.? Tubes and resistors and capacitors are available, 
but the racks, slugs and coils are not off the shelf items.

I do not see many 392 sub assemblies for sale, but I know that those 
radios were everywhere back in the 60's. There must be a stash of parts 
around. I did call Fair Radio, and they have a stock of parts for the 
r-392. I did order a set of slugs from them.

My last operation on the R-392s will be a paint job. I got out my 
sander, rubber gloves, and Stripeze to remove 35 layers of OD paint.? 
Along those lines, I got to reading about spray painting and black 
wrinkle varnish in particular. I concluded that a paint oven was needed 
for good results. I found a very neat Blue M lab oven at a surplus place 
in NH. The price was very right for an oven that would fit an R-392 case 
just fine. It has stainless racks and interior and a digital readout 
temp control so I can adjust the heat for best drying. It has presets 
and I set it to 50C for baking paint.? The 392 does not need a wrinkle 
finish, but baking the paint is a big plus for any paint job. (No 
mosquitoes inside the oven!) I bought a couple of gravity feed spray 
guns and am getting ready to try my hand at re finishing the three 392 
cases. My "F.T.A." unit? (R-392 #3)has much of the front panel lettering 
worn off. I asked my Artsie Craftsie brother about silk screening.? He 
advised me to leave it alone as it adds to the provenance of the radio.? 
Still, screen printing is an option. He told me about the process. It 
gets difficult without a flat panel, but still can be done. I know some 
restorers have screens for R-390 panels. Is there any one who can do an 
R-392?? Making a good new screen is not that trivial. All three of my 
radios are early Collins units and are not engraved, and all suffer from 
less than perfect lettering.

Merry Christmas to all. I have a BC-342N that I am restoring for a 
Christmas present. The plan is to gift it to my oldest grandson to use 
in his house along with a long wire antenna. We made a crystal set 
together, and he used that for awhile, but ran out of stations to hear. 
We converted it to have a transistor audio amplifier. That made a huge 
improvement. He could separate WABC at 770 with the Toronto station at 
740 KHz. So now it is time to get him a real radio! I'll put a red bow 
on it.

Dave K1WHS

On 12/24/2019 9:15 AM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Thanks for posting this, David. It is interesting and helpful. I have a hacked R-392 in storage and I think I have now decided against getting rid of it;
> instead, after reading your experience and results, I think I'm going to repair and restore it, and cast the evil eye at some other receivers I have.
> -Hue
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 24 17:08:48 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 22:08:48 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] encouraging seniors to join ham radio
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269C151195C62BFFBEA101BE4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I went to one meeting of the ham radio local club. I don't know if it's typical, but I didn't go back. It was in a large room, seats around the
circumference. People took seats. Some kind of technical talk was given. Then everyone dispersed. No mingling to any degree.  I thought,
like the church I attended in my youth. Perfunctory.

I was out for a walk one day in summer and saw on the walkway above the beach, a panel truck was parked and the area roped off. There were
portable antenna skywires crossing above the truck, and some kind of activity going on. Some sign said something like "Amateur Radio Emergency
Preparations". I approached but was intercepted by some fellow who was apparently a "guard". I mentioned my ham call letters, which made no
impression whatsoever, so I surmised the "guard" was some kind of borrowed help, a non-ham type. They had picked a nice scenic view location, on
the walkway right above the ocean beach, which of course blocked the walkway to other visitors. They could have set up in an uncrowded city park
parking lot a quarter mile north, but that would lack the scenic quality. This 'emergency communications setup' was prominent, in a location with
walkers passing through all day, and I think probably would have interested some passers-by, but there was absolutely no hint of invitation to
myself or any other passerby to visit and see and learn what was going on. Maybe it was a Top Secret operation ? I think a National Guard or police
operation would have actually been more receptive to questions, less cloistered.

So I thought, "Well, I hope you all enjoy what you're doing; It's clearly very important."

I contrast this with a couple antique radio clubs I belong to. Visitors are welcomed, asked their interests and to introduce themselves, and there is
plenty of time for free-form mingling.

So: "How To Make Ham Radio Irrelevant".
-Hue Miller K7HUE
Newport, Oregon



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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 24 11:22:24 2019
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] RBA-1 It's alive!
Message-ID: <CABdVoaC1nARyrLbPgsm9KDyoiVT1uh2Y15i0v7eoLyFvy2zt+w@mail.gmail.com>

 Listening to the Oxonn NDB on 332 Khz out of Reagan National Airport this
morning!

Using my 160M INV-L with no matching.

The radio needs some TLC, but it's alive. I plan to do some NDB listening
this evening!

Photo attached.

73 Mark K3MSB
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Dec 24 21:03:34 2019
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (arc5 at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:03:34 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] RBA-1 It's alive!
Message-ID: <r952rqid5bpieooghi36260n.1577239374725@email.lge.com>

Awesome, Mark.? Thanks for posting that beauty.
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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 24 21:52:49 2019
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:52:49 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] RBA-1 It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <r952rqid5bpieooghi36260n.1577239374725@email.lge.com>
References: <r952rqid5bpieooghi36260n.1577239374725@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <CABdVoaAvKc5kCDVi3+pQUSLczDCKy1GhDAmyozL6zAuiL=s_qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Logged 28 different NDBs tonight between 0107Z and 0207Z !!   Farthest out
were QC/ON to the North,  and LA/FL to the south.    Not too much to the
west at all.

Afterwards I cross-checked them on the web;  the RBA dial is pretty
accurate!

Copied two unknowns..... UZ on 232 KHz and QN on 236 KHz.     There is a UZ
listed on 227 KHz and a QN on 233 KHz,  but I'm not convinced they were the
ones I heard.

This is fun!

73 Mark K3MSB

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM arc5 at ix.netcom.com <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

> Awesome, Mark.  Thanks for posting that beauty.
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 25 02:58:29 2019
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 23:58:29 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] encouraging seniors to join ham radio
In-Reply-To: <5E0315D5.5000103@earthlink.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269C151195C62BFFBEA101BE4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<5E0314FE.8090402@earthlink.net> <5E0315D5.5000103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5E0316A5.6080604@earthlink.net>

"So: "How To Make Ham Radio Irrelevant"."

In my observations, since the mid-80's....  Just make a club.

Kurt

From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 26 09:00:55 2019
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 09:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5]  RBA-1 It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR15MB2596BC6B13A6D2C69DBB4F1E97280@BN8PR15MB2596.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <r952rqid5bpieooghi36260n.1577239374725@email.lge.com>
	<CABdVoaAvKc5kCDVi3+pQUSLczDCKy1GhDAmyozL6zAuiL=s_qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN8PR15MB2596BC6B13A6D2C69DBB4F1E97280@BN8PR15MB2596.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABdVoaDjB=ZZ24wO2q6=5zYHTir+L8Zeca4S+3YoB+FuVTffKA@mail.gmail.com>

I did about 2 ? hours of NDB DXing with the RBA-1 on Christmas Eve and
logged just over 50 stations.    Best DX was Dorado NDB in San Juan PR on
391 KHz.

Most stuff N/NE and SW along the east coast.    Nothing heard from the west
or Midwest? or even OH??   That was unexpected.     I plan on doing some
more ?NDB DXing? with the RBA-1 over the winter

73 Mark K3MSB





On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 11:51 AM Bry Carling <af4k at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I used to love DXing the NDBs on my ICF2010... I will have to see if the
> PL-880 can hear them this winter.
>
> Best regards - Bry Carling, AF4K
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:53 PM, Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Logged 28 different NDBs tonight between 0107Z and 0207Z !!   Farthest out
> were QC/ON to the North,  and LA/FL to the south.    Not too much to the
> west at all.
>
> Afterwards I cross-checked them on the web;  the RBA dial is pretty
> accurate!
>
> Copied two unknowns..... UZ on 232 KHz and QN on 236 KHz.     There is a
> UZ listed on 227 KHz and a QN on 233 KHz,  but I'm not convinced they were
> the ones I heard.
>
> This is fun!
>
> 73 Mark K3MSB
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM arc5 at ix.netcom.com <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, Mark.  Thanks for posting that beauty.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Thu Dec 26 13:55:56 2019
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:55:56 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] RBA-1 It's alive!
In-Reply-To: <CABdVoaDjB=ZZ24wO2q6=5zYHTir+L8Zeca4S+3YoB+FuVTffKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r952rqid5bpieooghi36260n.1577239374725@email.lge.com>
	<CABdVoaAvKc5kCDVi3+pQUSLczDCKy1GhDAmyozL6zAuiL=s_qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN8PR15MB2596BC6B13A6D2C69DBB4F1E97280@BN8PR15MB2596.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<CABdVoaDjB=ZZ24wO2q6=5zYHTir+L8Zeca4S+3YoB+FuVTffKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee73a6de-88f3-5b66-7c1b-7950b6e360af@metrocast.net>

I have two aircraft receivers that pick up long wave and I have listened 
to plenty of NDBs. I should make a list. Logging them sure is fun. I 
know I could hear a big station in the Caribbean. I think it was on Swan 
Island. The problem I have is the passband of the receivers is a bit 
wide, so ID'ing stations can be time consuming when looking them up on a 
frequency list. I can easily be off by several kHz.? Do you hear any EU 
and middle east long wave BC stations? I can hear some of them in the 
evening.

Dave K1WHS

On 12/26/2019 2:00 PM, Mark K3MSB wrote:
> I did about 2 ? hours of NDB DXing with the RBA-1 on Christmas Eve and 
> logged just over 50 stations.??? Best DX was Dorado NDB in San Juan PR 
> on 391 KHz.
>
> Most stuff N/NE and SW along the east coast.??? Nothing heard from the 
> west or Midwest? or even OH???? That was unexpected.???? I plan on 
> doing some more ?NDB DXing? with the RBA-1 over the winter
>
> 73 Mark K3MSB
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 11:51 AM Bry Carling <af4k at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:af4k at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I used to love DXing the NDBs on my ICF2010... I will have to see
>     if the PL-880 can hear them this winter.
>
>     Best regards - Bry Carling, AF4K
>
>
>
>
>
>>     On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:53 PM, Mark K3MSB <mark.k3msb at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:mark.k3msb at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     ?
>>     Logged 28 different NDBs tonight between 0107Z and 0207Z !!??
>>     Farthest out were QC/ON to the North,? and LA/FL to the south.???
>>     Not too much to the west at all.
>>
>>     Afterwards I cross-checked them on the web;? the RBA dial is
>>     pretty accurate!
>>
>>     Copied two unknowns..... UZ on 232 KHz and QN on 236 KHz.????
>>     There is a UZ listed on 227 KHz and a QN on 233 KHz,? but I'm not
>>     convinced they were the ones I heard.
>>
>>     This is fun!
>>
>>     73 Mark K3MSB
>>
>>     On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM arc5 at ix.netcom.com
>>     <mailto:arc5 at ix.netcom.com> <arc5 at ix.netcom.com
>>     <mailto:arc5 at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Awesome, Mark.? Thanks for posting that beauty.
>>
>>     ______________________________________________________________
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>>     Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/arc5
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>>
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>>     Please help support this email list: https://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>
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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 15:24:21 2019
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 15:24:21 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] RBx Power Supply Question
Message-ID: <CABdVoaAxJoyBPNT3akGzmT79ar00SNUP_A4EO7zfyPFG-nXw+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Now that I have my RBA receiver up and running it will go on the rack with
my RBB and RBC hopefully this weekend after looking into one or two
things.   So, I have 3 receivers and 2 power supplies.

For testing I?m powering the RBA from the same supply as my RBC and things
have been working fine.    I noticed last night that the RBC was ON even
though it?s ON/OFF switch was OFF.  Nuts, how did that switch get
busted?    I then remembered the schematic and realized that since both the
jacks on the power supply were in parallel,  turning on one of two
connected radios would probably turn on both.    I checked the schematics
and that is what?s going on.    It?s also in the manual.

The manual says one power supply can run two radios in an emergency,  but
nowhere does it state for how long etc.    I know what the rating is for
the power supply,  but I can?t find in any of the manuals what the power
consumption is for a single RBx radio to figure out how close to the power
supply limit I?m at running two radios.

So, any idea of how long one can run two radios off of one power supply?

I could of course just disconnect one power cable, but that?s a bit
inconvenient based upon how I have the power supply resting under the
radios.

73 Mark K3MSB
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 27 22:36:16 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 03:36:16 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unid Bendix meter
Message-ID: <BN6PR22MB02586676FAC35E21C0B2EBFCE4250@BN6PR22MB0258.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

What Bendix equipment is this meter for?
Second, does anyone "need it" ?
-Hue Miller

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From K4TQF at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 28 08:02:03 2019
From: K4TQF at yahoo.com (K4TQF at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 13:02:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] RBX series radios
References: <1253340727.4367873.1577538123990.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1253340727.4367873.1577538123990@mail.yahoo.com>

Mark:
I also own The RBA, BB & BC radios. I have only one power supply. Since the power switch connection appears at the rear socket, I just wired it to the HV as sort of a?"standby" switch. I also power the filaments from an external transformer to take that load off of the power supply.
Thanks, Durff, K4TQF
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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Sat Dec 28 12:01:29 2019
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 09:01:29 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] RBx series radios
In-Reply-To: <1253340727.4367873.1577538123990@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1253340727.4367873.1577538123990.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<1253340727.4367873.1577538123990@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5E078A69.769.14BDAE13@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

Mark and others:

I own two RBAs and two RBCs. I wish I had at least one RBB, but don't at 
this point. I have no original power supplies, but I do use a home-brew one.

Many years ago I owned an RBB/RBC pair which were almost new. I found 
both receivers to be unusually excellent. The audio limiter in mine was 
superb.

Ken W7EKB

From n2lxm at juno.com  Sat Dec 28 12:52:12 2019
From: n2lxm at juno.com (n2lxm at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 12:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unid Bendix meter
Message-ID: <AABRARFXHACU9PWJ@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>

Looks like something that would be used in a RDF unit.

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 03:36:16 +0000 Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
writes:
What Bendix equipment is this meter for?
Second, does anyone "need it" ? 
-Hue Miller 
 
____________________________________________________________
Urologist Tells Men To "Fix" Their ED With This New Trick!
Med Journal
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5e0796a745d8816a73a16st03vuc
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From kg2bz at comcast.net  Sat Dec 28 16:21:02 2019
From: kg2bz at comcast.net (JEFF CICCONE)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 16:21:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] rba receiver
Message-ID: <500584948.93491.1577568062272@connect.xfinity.com>

hi Mark
I have the rba rbb rbc with 2 power supplies. the rba and rbb are fed from 1 power supply. when i turn on either one , both turn on.  the power supplies are very robust and 1 don?t think there would be a problem with overload.  you can get connectors from robert downs - i made a 3rd ps cable from his connectors. you can check the b plus voltage to see if the 2nd set pulls down the voltage but i have not noticed any loss of sensitivity.

i kept a log of lf beacons and i am up to about 30.  furthest is puerto  rico , canada and caribbean

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From kg2bz at comcast.net  Sat Dec 28 16:33:14 2019
From: kg2bz at comcast.net (JEFF CICCONE)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 16:33:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] rbx receivers
Message-ID: <809491928.93534.1577568795085@connect.xfinity.com>

I agree that these receivers have a great audio limiter. also the squelch(silencer) circuit works good.  put the rbb/c receiver selectivility in sharp along with the audio filter and it work great sorting out adjacent cw signals. the tuning is very smooth also.  jeff
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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Sat Dec 28 20:38:45 2019
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 17:38:45 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] rba receiver
In-Reply-To: <500584948.93491.1577568062272@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <500584948.93491.1577568062272@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <5E0803A5.15714.16974073@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 28 Dec 2019 at 16:21, JEFF CICCONE wrote:

> connectors. you can check the b plus voltage to see if the 2nd set pulls down
> the voltage but i have not noticed any loss of sensitivity.

In any good receiver, the B+ voltage can drop a long way before any loss of 
sensitivity is noticed.

In my experience, the "ARC-5" receivers don't lose any sensitivity at 1/2 the 
normal B+. AF output power does drop a bit though.

Ken W7EKB

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 29 18:13:43 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 23:13:43 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unidentified Bendix meter, photos and detail
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02690E50636BFA8040F9A0ADE4240@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Herewith front and rear views. The meter has about 105k ohms resistance. With a 22 volt battery, there was about 1/3 scale deflection, polarity directed of course.
I am guessing FS would be around 75 volts ??
No markings whatever on it ! None !
-Hue

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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 30 08:01:39 2019
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 07:01:39 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer
Message-ID: <249e884f-2ccb-c7c9-c9af-5caace5d38ba@ix.netcom.com>

Good Morning, All, and may The Lord bless and prosper you in 2020.

Around a year ago, several of you helped me with the revival of a 
Canadian Marconi CH-25 channelized AM/SSB transceiver.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NRDkrAFXZYevrbEw5

 ?A couple of you actually serviced them, as they were a primary means 
of maintaining contact with remote outposts and settlements in Canada 
during the 1960s and 1970s.? Since "The Snake" is finished (GO-9), I put 
this back on the bench to repair the crystal microphone and decide how 
to configure the channels. Bought myself an early "Christmas Present" of 
one of those two-channel DDS oscillators.? Cool device that allowed 
testing and characterization of what could be used to set the channels 
other than $50 crystals.?? Turns out Programmable Oscillators will do 
the job, no extra amplification needed.

One of you told me there was a dealer in Canada who still had parts for 
these rigs in stock,
and I purchased some from him.
I cannot find the email.? Does anyone remember this gentleman?

TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S


From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Dec 30 08:28:35 2019
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:28:35 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer
In-Reply-To: <249e884f-2ccb-c7c9-c9af-5caace5d38ba@ix.netcom.com>
References: <249e884f-2ccb-c7c9-c9af-5caace5d38ba@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <006b01d5bf15$09e46880$1dad3980$@eozinc.com>

Hi Dave ? 

 

Whish two channel DDS did you get? Thanks & have a Blessed and Healthy 2020 ? 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

-----Original Message-----
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of David Stinson
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 8:02 AM
To: milsurplus at mailman <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>; Boatanchors at mailman <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer

 

Good Morning, All, and may The Lord bless and prosper you in 2020.

 

Around a year ago, several of you helped me with the revival of a Canadian Marconi CH-25 channelized AM/SSB transceiver.

 <https://photos.app.goo.gl/NRDkrAFXZYevrbEw5> https://photos.app.goo.gl/NRDkrAFXZYevrbEw5

 

 A couple of you actually serviced them, as they were a primary means of maintaining contact with remote outposts and settlements in Canada during the 1960s and 1970s.  Since "The Snake" is finished (GO-9), I put this back on the bench to repair the crystal microphone and decide how to configure the channels. Bought myself an early "Christmas Present" of one of those two-channel DDS oscillators.  Cool device that allowed testing and characterization of what could be used to set the channels other than $50 crystals.   Turns out Programmable Oscillators will do the job, no extra amplification needed.

 

One of you told me there was a dealer in Canada who still had parts for these rigs in stock, and I purchased some from him.

I cannot find the email.  Does anyone remember this gentleman?

 

TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S

 

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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 30 09:31:53 2019
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:31:53 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer
In-Reply-To: <006b01d5bf15$09e46880$1dad3980$@eozinc.com>
References: <249e884f-2ccb-c7c9-c9af-5caace5d38ba@ix.netcom.com>
	<006b01d5bf15$09e46880$1dad3980$@eozinc.com>
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Good Morning, Mike.
I bought this one.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759GKKBJ

So far, a very useful item that does what it says it will.
The only problem was an intermittent in one of the two signal output cables,
which was easily fixed by pulling the center pin of the BNC connector 
out a little
to seat it properly.? The various waveform choices confirmed that a 4 or 
5 Volt square wave,
with either 0-to-rail excursions or +/- PTP would drive the crystal 
oscillator stage fully.
You'd expect to need a pulse or square-wave for a crystal oscillator, 
and that was
confirmed in that a Sine Wave of 10-12V PTP to do the job, so Prog 
Oscillators will
work nicely.? There's a 9.2 VDC power buss available that will zener down
for the supply, so it's just a matter of deciding on settling for the 
six available
channels or building an external switch box.
GL OM DE Dave AB5S

p.s I also got one of those little NanoVNA analyser for my 630 Meter work.
Figuring that thing out is a head scratcher, and the nanovna.io group 
doesn't
seem to "cotton" to newbies, at least so far.

On 12/30/2019 7:28 AM, Mike Feher wrote:
>
> Hi Dave ?
>
> Which two-channel DDS did you get? Thanks & have a Blessed and Healthy 
> 2020 ? 73 ? Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Dec 30 10:00:41 2019
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:00:41 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer
In-Reply-To: <ca48cd4a-809a-c226-29cb-5ebc6de5e8c0@ix.netcom.com>
References: <249e884f-2ccb-c7c9-c9af-5caace5d38ba@ix.netcom.com>	<006b01d5bf15$09e46880$1dad3980$@eozinc.com>
	<ca48cd4a-809a-c226-29cb-5ebc6de5e8c0@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <00a001d5bf21$e7f0ed90$b7d2c8b0$@eozinc.com>

Hi Dave ?

 

That looks really handy, and even better, not heavy. Think I will get one. 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of David Stinson
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 9:32 AM
To: Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com>; 'milsurplus at mailman' <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>; 'Boatanchors at mailman' <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer

 

Good Morning, Mike.
I bought this one.  
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759GKKBJ

So far, a very useful item that does what it says it will.
The only problem was an intermittent in one of the two signal output cables,
which was easily fixed by pulling the center pin of the BNC connector out a little
to seat it properly.  The various waveform choices confirmed that a 4 or 5 Volt square wave,
with either 0-to-rail excursions or +/- PTP would drive the crystal oscillator stage fully.
You'd expect to need a pulse or square-wave for a crystal oscillator, and that was 
confirmed in that a Sine Wave of 10-12V PTP to do the job, so Prog Oscillators will
work nicely.  There's a 9.2 VDC power buss available that will zener down 
for the supply, so it's just a matter of deciding on settling for the six available 
channels or building an external switch box.
GL OM DE Dave AB5S

p.s I also got one of those little NanoVNA analyser for my 630 Meter work.
Figuring that thing out is a head scratcher, and the nanovna.io group doesn't 
seem to "cotton" to newbies, at least so far.

On 12/30/2019 7:28 AM, Mike Feher wrote:

Hi Dave ? 

 

Which two-channel DDS did you get? Thanks & have a Blessed and Healthy 2020 ? 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

 

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From smithab11 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 30 12:37:57 2019
From: smithab11 at comcast.net (B. Smith)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:37:57 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] AFN in the US
Message-ID: <53602a89-b29f-3ae3-d0a7-acc59775759e@comcast.net>

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From mstangelo at comcast.net  Mon Dec 30 16:38:58 2019
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (MICHAEL ST ANGELO)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:38:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Canadian Marconi CH-25 Parts Dealer
In-Reply-To: <ca48cd4a-809a-c226-29cb-5ebc6de5e8c0@ix.netcom.com>
References: <249e884f-2ccb-c7c9-c9af-5caace5d38ba@ix.netcom.com>
	<006b01d5bf15$09e46880$1dad3980$@eozinc.com>
	<ca48cd4a-809a-c226-29cb-5ebc6de5e8c0@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <142464982.112185.1577741939140@connect.xfinity.com>

Dave,

> On December 30, 2019 at 9:31 AM David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Good Morning, Mike.
>     I bought this one. 
>     https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759GKKBJ
> 
I'll have the check this model out. I've been using the QRPLabs Progrock but want something with a tuning knob.

< https://www.qrp-labs.com/progrock.html>

> 
> 
>     p.s I also got one of those little NanoVNA analyser for my 630 Meter work.
>     Figuring that thing out is a head scratcher, and the nanovna.io group doesn't
>     seem to "cotton" to newbies, at least so far
> 
The NanaVNA is the latest Ham Radio "rockstar" superseding those RTL-SDR dongles. I would recommend joining the nanovna-users IO Groups if you haven't . Information about operation, firmware and software is contained under the Wiki tab.

< https://groups.io/g/nanovna-users/wiki/home>

I would start reading this user guide.

< https://groups.io/g/nanovna-users/files/NanoVNA-User-Guide-English-reformat-Dec%209-19.pdf>

I have the original NanoVNA plus the larger NanoVNA-F. The F has a larger screen, metal case and a more robust toggle switch but firmware is released at a slower rate. Many user complain about the small screen but I don't have issues. I did get a new pair of prescription reading glasses, however :-).

HNY to All,

Mike N2MS
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 30 18:23:43 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 23:23:43 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] CD-477  PL-173 cord available
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269DEBAE4345AC78A1338A3E4270@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

CD-477. About  56 inches long, has PL-173 and PL-Q173 connectors, which seems to be a large ( large ) VHF connector, male.
This came from an I-130 VHF test oscillator, 100 - 156 MHz.
It was a beautiful beast, but its environment had disappeared, and there was no longer a  niche for it to survive in,
so it had to die. Its hide, the cabinet, may still exist as a toolbox.
This cable is available free for postage cost.
Reply ( if any ? ) with qth.
-Hue
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 20:04:32 2019
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 01:04:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] 28-8S Mystery
References: <2057765579.3318906.1577754272348.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2057765579.3318906.1577754272348@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a BC669 and power supply waiting for me to restore it, something I will start when I get caught up on a couple other things first.  So, while it waits I have searched for the elusive Cannon 28-8S to mate with the rig.  The modern Amphenol 28-8S does not match the WW II layout.  Low and behold, a 28-8P came up on Ebay, and the seller said he had the mating connector for it.  He wants $95, ouch big time, but a close examination of his pic showed it to be 95% correct.  There should have been 5 larger diameter pins laid out like a pentagon in it, but it only had 3, it was missing the two on the end of one row.  I looked at a picture of the other end that goes to the PS, and it seems like it only has 3 large pins like the one he is selling, but from the pic, it is hard to say, but somewhere along the line, my PS had that connector swapped for an octal, so don't have one to compare to.  So, now there are 3 iterations of this plug and socket. I wonder if the fact that the writing on the male connector on the BC669 says 28-8 PF is indicating a special type that is in the truly unobtanium category.  I have run across another fellow who has been searching for 7 years trying to find one with no luck.  Guess I will have to either change it out on the 669, or using pins that fit and epoxy a home made connector body for it.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 30 22:18:17 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:18:17 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-366 switchbox, how to open ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269EF0531D5921B11377621E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

To open the BC-366  liaison/ intercom / command switchbox, is there anything I need to do besides remove the 2 screws ?
I expected it to then pull open reluctantly like the BC-347 interphone amplifier. But it does not want to open. I don't want
to continue trying to force it if there's something else I need to do. I cannot believe I need to remove the jack securing screws
too. I have this BC-366 where someone removed one jack, and I'd like to restore it.
thanks-
Hue
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 30 22:20:56 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:20:56 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Military patch washing ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269BCC57C81300E5BD08428E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Are military special unit patches color - fast ? I bought a "Far East Network" patch, and it looks a little dirty.
I bought it because I remember listening to the FEN station on shortwave from Japan. Just want to be
careful, not surprised.
thanks-
Hue
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 30 22:39:38 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:39:38 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Military patch washing ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269BCC57C81300E5BD08428E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269BCC57C81300E5BD08428E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269660E9E760E0518CCB9EEE4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

This brought to my mind a question: what service did the F.E.N. shortwave broadcasts serve in the early to mid 1960s, when
I heard them ?
Ships at sea? Pacific bases such as Johnston Island and Midway? All of the above ?
I don't really recall the programming, but I am pretty sure it was originated there, not just rebroadcasts of U.S. domestic
syndicated programs.
I told my barber, a man from Malaysia, that I used to listen to BBC Kuching Malaysia. He was amazed. Ah, the good old
golden era of shortwave broadcast.

thanks-
Hue

>Are military special unit patches color - fast ? I bought a "Far East Network" patch, and it looks a little dirty.
I bought it because I remember listening to the FEN station on shortwave from Japan. Just want to be
careful, not surprised.
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 30 22:42:06 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:42:06 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-366 switchbox, how to open ?
In-Reply-To: <1ff6e706-885b-606f-4009-8eb74acb4275@aafradio.org>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269EF0531D5921B11377621E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<1ff6e706-885b-606f-4009-8eb74acb4275@aafradio.org>
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Thanks, Mike. I'll have Wheaties*  for breakfast before I try again.
( * "Breakfast of Champions" )
-Hue

>It has a cable connection assembly inside composed of eleven banana plugs that is resisting your pulling, Hue.  Just pull harder!
-Mike  KC4TOS

On 12/30/2019 10:18 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
To open the BC-366  liaison/ intercom / command switchbox, is there anything I need to do besides remove the 2 screws ?
I expected it to then pull open reluctantly like the BC-347 interphone amplifier. But it does not want to open. I don't want
to continue trying to force it if there's something else I need to do. I cannot believe I need to remove the jack securing screws
too. I have this BC-366 where someone removed one jack, and I'd like to restore it.
thanks-
Hue

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From aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org  Mon Dec 30 22:44:26 2019
From: aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org (Michael Hanz)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:44:26 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-366 switchbox, how to open ?
In-Reply-To: <1ff6e706-885b-606f-4009-8eb74acb4275@aafradio.org>
References: <1ff6e706-885b-606f-4009-8eb74acb4275@aafradio.org>
Message-ID: <fdc52c80-672c-d42d-0a53-516ea6e83bdd@aafradio.org>

It has a cable connection assembly inside composed of eleven banana 
plugs that is resisting your pulling, Hue.? Just pull harder!
-Mike? KC4TOS



On 12/30/2019 10:18 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>
> To open the BC-366 ?liaison/ intercom / command switchbox, is there 
> anything I need to do besides remove the 2 screws ?
>
> I expected it to then pull open reluctantly like the BC-347 interphone 
> amplifier. But it does not want to open. I don't want
>
> to continue trying to force it if there's something else I need to do. 
> I cannot believe I need to remove the jack securing screws
>
> too. I have this BC-366 where someone removed one jack, and I'd like 
> to restore it.
>
> thanks-
>
> Hue
>

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 31 01:23:11 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 06:23:11 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] RUGF and BC-230/ 430 parts
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026907F6658E8B93255EEC67E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

A reminder:
I have some NIB BC-230/ 430 coils
RUGF Extension control boxes
GF Phantom antennas and antenna relays
SOME RUGF connectors

I "may" have a single BC-230/430 plugin coil, plain aluminum, dirty - this one will be free

I will take your requests and in a week or two I can root thru the stuff and see if I have it.
-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 31 01:33:06 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 06:33:06 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 9002  9003 tubes
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269E06721E6996D75E595B7E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I find after junking an I-130  I have 3x 9003 and 2x 9002 valves. Not tested but equipment appeared in very good condition.
IF I decide it's something I feel like doing, and
IF someone here would like to have these for free,
Shoot me your address and I'll think about it.
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From K4TQF at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 06:21:21 2019
From: K4TQF at yahoo.com (K4TQF at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:21:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Way off topic Nazi military items.
References: <653640705.5210755.1577791281867.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <653640705.5210755.1577791281867@mail.yahoo.com>

My XYL passed Dec,2... while cleaning out the cedar chest, I found her father's WW2 memorabilia. He was in the battle of the bulge. I'm looking for a collector of NAZI items, as there are no other family members to pass these items along to.
I have:
1. A Sauer P38H pistol? 7.65 x 25 with Nazi stamp on the receiver and frame
2. A dagger that appears to be a presentation piece, with scabbard and leather straps, the handle is an eagles head and a swastika appears on? ? ? the scabbard
3. a cross with neck strap and swastika in gold
If anyone collects this stuff or know of someone who does? please contact me"? K4TQF@ yahoo.com
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From ka8vit at ka8vit.com  Tue Dec 31 07:58:06 2019
From: ka8vit at ka8vit.com (Bill KA8VIT)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 07:58:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Military patch washing ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269BCC57C81300E5BD08428E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269BCC57C81300E5BD08428E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1674259054.844098.1577797086734@email.ionos.com>

When I was in they wanted our uniforms clean...  HI HI

Here are some of the laundry detergents recommended to my currently serving US Army 1st Lieutenant.

Bio-O-Kleen, Country Save, Charlie's Soap, Molly's Suds, and Seventh Generation Free & Clear

Below from directions for washing military ACU/OCPs, (the camo uniforms).

Do not use any detergents that have any "optical brighteners". 

Many detergents contain optical brighteners that can cause working or combat uniforms to be more visible at night.

That's the last thing you want in a battle zone, or in training.

Night vision gear can pick up the optical brighteners very easily.

Don't choose the products that advertise a bleach alternative or color-safe bleach in the formula because these ingredients whiten and brighten.

For his beret and other hats, he just soaks them in a small wash tub with a little bit of "Dawn" dish soap.

73 - Bill KA8VIT


> On December 30, 2019 at 10:20 PM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Are military special unit patches color ? fast ? I bought a "Far East Network" patch, and it looks a little dirty.
> 
> 
> I bought it because I remember listening to the FEN station on shortwave from Japan. Just want to be
> 
> 
> careful, not surprised.
> 
> 
> thanks-
> 
> 
> Hue


 ====================================
Bill Chaikin, KA8VIT
USS COD Amateur Radio Club - W8COD
WW2 Submarine USS COD SS-224 (NECO)

ka8vit at ka8vit.com
http://ka8vit.com
http://www.usscod.org
====================================

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 31 11:19:47 2019
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:19:47 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Way off topic Nazi military items.
Message-ID: <1167913758.2166.1577809187514@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 31 14:42:17 2019
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:42:17 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Way off topic Nazi military items.
In-Reply-To: <653640705.5210755.1577791281867@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <653640705.5210755.1577791281867.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<653640705.5210755.1577791281867@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269D438041675372AB720E4E4260@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

My sincere condolences also. Not that any particular time is comfortable, but it seems to me maybe doubly hurtful in this season when the media are constantly urging us to be merry.

I have a few items also, and I have not found the solution. Ebay is not for swastika items or weapons. I have a swastika vehicle pennant, so that's out. One suggestion was an online militaria
auction, I don't recall the name now, but I read some alarming reviews. I asked on "Wehrmacht-awards.com" but not knowing the value, I hazarded to ask. A moderator rudely advised me to
"do the research myself". Thanks!  I think I decided that these items I have had for about 50 years, I can wait a year or two longer until I find a decent venue to sell them. I am interested
in anyone's successful experience with this, though.
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From robertkilian at ostechnologies.net  Tue Dec 31 17:40:30 2019
From: robertkilian at ostechnologies.net (Robert Kilian)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:40:30 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Looking for cord CD-764
Message-ID: <11c03180-c109-fb24-967b-d6931e9d1ad5@ostechnologies.net>

Anyone have one of these stashed away that they don't need and are 
willing to part with?? There is currently a home-brew cable between the 
BC-614 and BC-610 but I would really like to have the proper original 
cabling.

Thanks

Rob Kilian
K6RBK

From rpmeadow at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 31 22:45:36 2019
From: rpmeadow at bellsouth.net (Robert P. Meadows)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Way off topic Nazi military items.
In-Reply-To: <1167913758.2166.1577809187514@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1167913758.2166.1577809187514@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <064601d5c055$f3684df0$da38e9d0$@bellsouth.net>

The Sauer 38 pistol is/was a quite advanced pistol.  The caliber is generally referred to as 7.65 Browning.  From memory, most were issued to Luftwaffe folk.

R

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Mike Morrow
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:20 AM
To: K4TQF at yahoo.com; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Way off topic Nazi military items.

 

Mike, you have my sincere sympathy for your terrible loss.

 

> I have:
> 1. A Sauer P38H pistol 7.65 x 25 with Nazi stamp on the receiver and frame.

I don't collect Third Reich items except U-boat books, but I do accumulate some firearms information.  FWIW the item description above would better be:

"Sauer 38H pistol, 7.65x17mm (32 ACP), Waffenamt WaA37 stamp on the slide and frame."

There is not enough information given for any item to estimate collector values, but the internet makes it pretty easy to research and identify reasonable values. Don't take the first $100 that someone offers. :-) Military collector association shows are held several times a year in many localities and are good places for information.

Good luck.

Mike / KK5F

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From kb8tq at n1k.org  Tue Dec 31 23:02:20 2019
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 23:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Way off topic Nazi military items.
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Hi

A firearm as recent as WWII will need to be sold through a licensed dealer. Selling it any other way
is not a real good idea. There are a number of legit auction sites that deal in this sort of thing and have
the proper paperwork in place to do it legally. 

Value of the pistol will be very much a ?that depends? sort of thing. Minor issues with condition do matter. 
Serial numbers and year / location of production do matter. As with any older item, being able to trace it to
a ?legit? source also matters ( = it is not a fake ?). 

Lots of variables 

Bob

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 6:21 AM, K4TQF--- via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> My XYL passed Dec,2... while cleaning out the cedar chest, I found her father's WW2 memorabilia. He was in the battle of the bulge. I'm looking for a collector of NAZI items, as there are no other family members to pass these items along to.
> 
> I have:
> 
> 1. A Sauer P38H pistol  7.65 x 25 with Nazi stamp on the receiver and frame
> 
> 2. A dagger that appears to be a presentation piece, with scabbard and leather straps, the handle is an eagles head and a swastika appears on      the scabbard
> 
> 3. a cross with neck strap and swastika in gold
> 
> If anyone collects this stuff or know of someone who does  please contact me"  K4TQF@ yahoo.com
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