From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Dec  1 00:04:24 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:04:24 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Seeking Aussie AT5 Radio Covers
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269B21ED2AE632C67FB759FE4F40@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <d99f7ce2-47e4-9445-add9-7d9c8ebb9cbe@ix.netcom.com>
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Thanks for writing, Hue.
I have no tools nor skill for bending
sheet aluminium.? I barely suffice
with plastic, but it "got the job done."
I owe the privilege of this set in no small
part to the kindness of Ray Robinson
and other members of our community.
I cannot now remember every detail,
but I remain grateful to our members
for help with sets like this.

GL OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S

On 11/30/2020 10:29 PM, Owner wrote:

>> A particular reason you used plastics instead of sheet aluminum for 
>> the cover?
>> Easier to work with? I have something of the same challenge, but 
>> hadn't thought at all of using plastic.
>> Real nice looking gear, Dave.
>> In fact, i am feeling hard pressed to think of any pair i have that's 
>> as neat-o.
>> -Hue Miller
>>
>

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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  1 03:27:02 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Owner)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 08:27:02 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Seeking Aussie AT5 Radio Covers
In-Reply-To: <d99f7ce2-47e4-9445-add9-7d9c8ebb9cbe@ix.netcom.com>
References: <d99f7ce2-47e4-9445-add9-7d9c8ebb9cbe@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269012482316072DA757007E4F40@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

>Dave, do you know what specific models of aircraft this was used in?
-Hue Miller
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Dec  1 09:42:54 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 08:42:54 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] AR8 AT5 Set
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269012482316072DA757007E4F40@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <d99f7ce2-47e4-9445-add9-7d9c8ebb9cbe@ix.netcom.com>
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> >Dave, do you know what specific models
> >of aircraft this was used in?
-Hue Miller

Morning, Hue.? The AT5/AR8 was used
all over the place- not just in aircraft.
I think our Australian / Kiwi folks could
tell you of aircraft deployments.

I really like the set.? It's sturdy, reliable
and you can fix it with a pocket knife
and a forked-stick.

I wish I could remember everyone who
contributed to getting it running-
Father Time and Covid have taken a
toll on my memory.? But my gratitude remains.

Here's some photos of the set in action:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/o4HrZSK31j97NtXr9

TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S



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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  1 22:52:18 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Owner)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 03:52:18 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] AN-3108 connector ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269613E4E063D1AD8F22547E4F30@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I may have asked this question before, if so, sorry: i should have 
attached a tag to the plug.
This is an AC power cord ending jn an Amphenol AN-3108 connector, dated 
22 of '45. I am
thinking it's for the ( converted to 60 Hz ) power supply of AN/ARR-5, 
7, but i may well be
wrong.
thanks-
Hue Miller
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  1 23:03:08 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Owner)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 04:03:08 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] MS 3106 connector ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026935063A91FC28689C192DE4F30@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Here's another one. Again, sorry if i have asked before. This time 
around, i'm hanging a tag on them with what
their use is.

AC power cord ending with this green color connector, 1950s - 1960s 
style,

MS 3106 A 22 - 53   on edge of connector
ESC  3057    -12A     on cable clamp

thanks-  Hue Miller
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  1 23:18:42 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Owner)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 04:18:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Yet another one: that CA-104 thing
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02697D411196618AE856DDDDE4F30@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Okay, second go-round on this one: one end has the CUF 49049 connector 
that looks like for the
TBX transmitter. ( No, sorry, this is not for sale. )

overall cable is marked CA-104
Other end,   AN - 3106 - 14S - 2P

Ah, like deciphering cuneiform tablets, some commonalities are appearing 
to me:
AN 3057 means cable clamp, followed by a size number
AN 3106 seems to be a connector standard

Robert Downs should be bribed to write "Connectors for Dummies". A 
guaranteed hit.
-Hue Miller
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec  1 23:33:08 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Owner)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 04:33:08 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBS really rocks
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269DA2B3FA37B841F6F20F4E4F30@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Before i put these on Ebay, which may prove pointless, i want to ask 
here:
anyone have a want for 3 unused in original box sets of boxed pairs of 
TBS crystals?
Possibly applicable also to MBF radio.
Guaranteed non-useful frequencies.  That's 3 x 2 = 6 crystals, different 
colors,
box suitable for gifting. Really, they look nice enough they would win 
blue ribbon
at your local gem & mineral or crafts show.
Price TBD, not exorbitant.
-Hue Miller
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From scr287 at att.net  Wed Dec  2 16:19:24 2020
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:19:24 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] T-195 transmitter question
References: <301afc09-89bd-4582-d476-ea5b067514e3.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <301afc09-89bd-4582-d476-ea5b067514e3@att.net>


The T-195 transmitter is spec'd to top out at 20Mc.

Will it go higher than that? If it does, will it go
to 15 Meters?

Looking at the frequency scheme, it looks like it
would have been feasible to make the transmitter
go to 24Mc, the PTO goes to 3Mc, and on band 4 the
multiplier is 8, but did they limit the range
somehow?

Just curious.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA


From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Thu Dec  3 10:01:51 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 15:01:51 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Chinese Type 116 Transmitter?
In-Reply-To: <CAF6Vb54hrFJOU+ifSbs1_dkToihTW87RwhMQqfdRDTzQW4Jabg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF6Vb54hrFJOU+ifSbs1_dkToihTW87RwhMQqfdRDTzQW4Jabg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB2422FFA3DE9651A46C6B9E4BF5F20@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Robert,

Google doesn't seem to be being my friend today, but if you also go by Roger elsewhere online it seems it just gave me everything you know about the Type 116 set at this link:

https://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=209750

Does it look like it is easy to work on for the rank amateur, beginner (me)? I'm just looking for a CW XMTR I can get on air w/o too much trouble.

Sean

Subject: [Milsurplus] Chinese Type 116 Transmitter?

Hi
I'd like to hear from anybody with experience with the Chinese PLA
type 116 transmitter.  I think I got mine NOS from Harry at Red Star
Radio, so he probably sold at least a couple more.

As an old Russian student with no Chinese, I've got some questions!
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From pfthekan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 11:03:05 2020
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 08:03:05 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Bendix RA-10 part needed
Message-ID: <CAK4LMKPVMvDqRuF=WRrvbjSBFMZqacvU8Kk3u-dshOtSd+a8Ag@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for someone who might have a parts set RA-10 that would be
willing to part with the cover for the
'loop relay unit' that is mounted on the front of the receiver.
 Mine is damaged and the front face is in not great shape.
Thanks
Paul
N6FEG
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Thu Dec  3 11:13:57 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 11:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Chinese Type 116 Transmitter?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR19MB2422FFA3DE9651A46C6B9E4BF5F20@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAF6Vb54hrFJOU+ifSbs1_dkToihTW87RwhMQqfdRDTzQW4Jabg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR19MB2422FFA3DE9651A46C6B9E4BF5F20@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <24a301d6c98f$4e0cdb20$ea269160$@eozinc.com>

Here again, I would recommend something domestic, and using vacuum tubes, so
you can find replacement parts? BTW, what is your ham call letters? 73 -
Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Sean Kelly
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:02 AM
To: Robert Goff <robert.h.goff at gmail.com>; milsurplus
<milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Chinese Type 116 Transmitter?

 

Robert,

 

Google doesn't seem to be being my friend today, but if you also go by Roger
elsewhere online it seems it just gave me everything you know about the Type
116 set at this link:

 

https://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5
<https://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=209750> &t=209750

 

Does it look like it is easy to work on for the rank amateur, beginner (me)?
I'm just looking for a CW XMTR I can get on air w/o too much trouble.

 

Sean


Subject: [Milsurplus] Chinese Type 116 Transmitter? 

 

Hi
I'd like to hear from anybody with experience with the Chinese PLA
type 116 transmitter.  I think I got mine NOS from Harry at Red Star
Radio, so he probably sold at least a couple more.

As an old Russian student with no Chinese, I've got some questions!

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 16:06:32 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:06:32 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Chinese Type 116 Transmitter?
In-Reply-To: <24a301d6c98f$4e0cdb20$ea269160$@eozinc.com>
References: <CAF6Vb54hrFJOU+ifSbs1_dkToihTW87RwhMQqfdRDTzQW4Jabg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR19MB2422FFA3DE9651A46C6B9E4BF5F20@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<24a301d6c98f$4e0cdb20$ea269160$@eozinc.com>
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With the China government embargo on export of military radios of ANY vintage, if this set needs a
Chinese specific tube type, you are out of luck. Roger wrote on antiqueradios.com about the weight of
the thing. It looks to me like it harkens back to a WW2 - like radio: a big, heavy way to generate a 
modest CW power.
Geoff Fors has a photo of an alley in China full of scattered crates of 7512 receivers, crates from still
packed to crates broken open to the weather. He told me that Chinese mostly don't much regard  the
recent "obsolete" technology item.  Ming vase, yes. 19xx radio, trash. 
But I don't get the logic of why no export of old military radios. Odd logic; it seems otherwise they want
all the money they can get from us. I wanted just the canvas for a No. 81 radio set, but I blew my chance
and didn't jump when it was offered on Ebay, years back. Now, nada. 
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 17:10:21 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 22:10:21 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Comparing Duckduck and Google
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026917CA70C0DA7C1D8C9F5EE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I found a PL-109 connector here and thinking I would never need it, I thought I'd offer it 
up here free. But first I looked it up in my connectors list manual. It said, SCR-242-A. Then
I looked up "SCR-242-A radio set" on duckduckgo. A friend had recommended this search
engine as it doesn't track you, the way Google tracks your every move, even thought. 
Well, duck returned about 5 responses, none of them useful, the first was a webpage whose
ownership had expired and the page was now for sale. So I used Google next. Radionerds
was down at the fifth response and was exactly what I needed to tell me that SCR-242-A 
equals BC-310-A  navigation LF receiver. ( Thank you INDEED, Radionerds. )  I do have the 
BC-310-B receiver, which doesn't use this particular connector, but uses similar indicator units, 
so I'll keep the connector after all, in case who knows, maybe I find an indicator or junction 
box which belongs to either unit and can be adapted to my set.  And I'll tag it too, so if I never
find a use for it before I have to check out, the next owner won't have to wonder what it is. 
Anyway, an instructive little experiment in comparing these two search engines. 

Some of the recipients of this note won't have any idea what an SCR or BC is. That's okay,
you'll get the overall message I learned from this experiment. 
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 17:57:50 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 22:57:50 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Bendix RA-1 question
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02690A0DB809178B5405827CE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I have a couple RA-1 receivers I am thinking of selling off. I used one before and thought
it was kind of unremarkable, altho it does give the "time period" experience. My question
is, was this receiver used with any transmitter other than the TA-2J* ?  I did have a 2J many
years ago, but thought it was useless, all preset channels, and foolishly took it apart, with 
practically no benefit to me, of course. I don't really want another TA-2J and anyway, they 
seem to be near extinct, but I'm where I want to have a near - complete setup, a matching 
setup, if possible, or not at all.
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 18:20:27 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 23:20:27 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] German throat mics - mystery almost solved
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02693FA0B6BFA39A75202A6BE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I'm going thru my stuff and picking out downsizing candidates, and found a German

'throat microphone', but with a 5 pin connector, so not Panzer. The strap has only

the number L38114, so on a lark, I decided to try to look this up. Lo and behold, an

"Online Throat Microphone Museum",

http://beatboxmics.com/#!/pages/museum

Who would have thought?



[L 38114 (German)]



I learned this:

"Abfragegarnitur L38 - Luftwaffe headset with throat microphone and single receiver.

All parts have special codes starting with "L38". Throat microphone L 38114 is exactly the same

as Kmf.b tank throat microphone. Luftwaffe production control marks are all around

(BAL = Bau Aufsicht Luftfahrt). The 5-pin connector is of the type widely used by German

Wehrmacht for telephone equipment. Maybe such "L38" headsets were in use at

Luftwaffe telephone switchboards."



That seems likely. Anyway, the mystery of what this item was, is solved.  Also I had looked

at German tubes for many years and never knew what "BAL" referred to. How about that !



I have a Swedish "Ericsson" throat mic this museum doesn't know about. I wonder if it was

supplied to the German Luftwaffe during WW2 or just prior to the war. Sweden did trade

with Germany until the point they saw Germany was on its last legs and no longer presented

a threat of taking their country.

-Hue Miller


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From aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org  Thu Dec  3 18:38:05 2020
From: aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org (Michael Hanz)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 18:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Bendix RA-1 question
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02690A0DB809178B5405827CE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02690A0DB809178B5405827CE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 18:53:19 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 23:53:19 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Bendix RA-1 question
In-Reply-To: <8dd7e3e5-600e-7549-f3cf-11a1cffd0b3e@aafradio.org>
References: <MWHPR22MB02690A0DB809178B5405827CE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<8dd7e3e5-600e-7549-f3cf-11a1cffd0b3e@aafradio.org>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269E3C1FE6DB9E09EACD021E4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks, Mike.
I think these 2 will have to find new homes. 
I have a few crazy - rare aircraft radios that I really really want #1 to
put on the air again, and so I must pare down the distractions. 

In the last couple months, I sold off 4 BC-474s, and I think the remaining
3 will go also. One is the 'Swedish set' and one has the bag for radio and
generator. We were "overstocked". The plan moves on.
-Hue 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 19:53:50 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 00:53:50 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Ebay shenanigans
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02695903C3169D8A9DE68857E4F10@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

It seems on about half the items I Ebay sell, I get a private Ebay message asking some variant of 
"What is your right-now price?"  I never grace these with a reply. My feeling is, let the market set
the price. Sometimes this does cut the wrong way, though. I had a bag of around 35  SO-239 
PL-259 connectors, new wrapped. I got the "right now?" message question and ignored it. My 
mistake was I set the minimum bid at $1, and you know what, there was one bidder. My mistake;
this one was a charity job. At least I got +feedback. I learned. 
The post recently that about 5% ( I think it was ) of Ebay customers are from the outset trouble,
is very interesting. I recall some years back, five? ten? I was discussing tubes or maybe just Ebay
with some European fellow radio hobbyist. He mentioned something he was involved in and I 
don't recall all the particulars. I think it went like this: he had bought one of those "designer tubes"
intended for the audio fans, fanatics. I saw a designer tube once at a hamfest and the tube had its
own form fitting foam packaging in the box, like some camera or other such product. Anyway some
fellow he was acquainted with or otherwise had met had offered him this plan. The other fellow
had the same tube, but burned out or damaged or depleted. He suggested to the Euro fellow that
they use the Euro fellow's tube packaging and guarantee and get a whole new tube. I don't know 
what the split was to be. I also would think such a high priced, special deal tube would have its own
serial number, but as I said, I have forgotten some details. The Euro fellow emailed me an email from
this other fellow with incriminating info but the Euro fellow had cropped the image so the tube crook's
name had only the top edges of the letters. Nevertheless there was enough for me to sleuth it out and
determine the guy's name from what info the Euro fellow gave me about his occupation. Turns out the
would-be tube crook was a high-paid Federal employee, a lawyer in Wash. D.C.  You would think somebody
with a high GS rating could afford maybe the three hundred bucks for this tube. I read somewhere that 
5 - 10 % of our fellow humans are psycho or without what we call 'conscience'. Maybe so. They are out
there. 
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec  3 22:45:58 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 03:45:58 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] German throat mics - mystery almost solved
In-Reply-To: <0418bff4-5535-ae87-c875-89913d0d2f1f@earthlink.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB02693FA0B6BFA39A75202A6BE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<6F1BB0E2-FFF1-40EC-B9C4-C9A5D69F6357@aol.com>
	<0418bff4-5535-ae87-c875-89913d0d2f1f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269847AF78F4CA0CE1F4351E4F10@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I know that the U.S. tank commander used a T-17 mic. Does this mean the rest of the crew wore throat
mics? I don't believe I have ever seen a photo of a tank crewman wearing such. But maybe I just haven't
seen enough photos, or the right photos. 
There is a YouTube video of the Norway ham fellow LA6NCA using a German throatmic while communicating
over the Panzer radio pair on 10 meters. It sounds "different" but there's no trouble at all conversing.
That reminds me: I watched about an hourlong video about reconstructing what occurred during Michael 
Wittmann's final battle. His Tiger tank was broadside hit; the ammo went up, and the turret blew off. The 
video producer visited the farmer whose land this transpired on. Farmer had among other large metal pieces,
a throat mic, without cord, that had been found. That this survived is one of those high power physics anomalies,
as this was one of those cases where the whole crew's recovered remains probably could be buried in a shoebox.
My brother, presented with such an anomaly, would say, "Aha, there's a conspiracy afoot!" 
-Hue Miller  

From aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org  Thu Dec  3 23:18:06 2020
From: aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org (Michael Hanz)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 23:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] German throat mics - mystery almost solved
In-Reply-To: <6F1BB0E2-FFF1-40EC-B9C4-C9A5D69F6357@aol.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02693FA0B6BFA39A75202A6BE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<6F1BB0E2-FFF1-40EC-B9C4-C9A5D69F6357@aol.com>
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Well, the science of larynx mics was pretty well investgated even before 
the war began, and more intensively in the early part of the war.? I 
always remember with amusement the Bell Labs report that said, "[the 
throat microphone] would probably have been a very effective instrument 
but for the fact that the speech signal available at the larynx is 
intrinsically unintelligible."? (Page 131 at 
https://aafradio.org/docs/NDRC_Division_17_excerpts.pdf )

In sophisticated word articulation tests, the low percentage of success 
rates were significant.? Fortunately, the move to higher altitudes 
encourage mask mics, so the throat mics began to die out through disuse 
and more modern hands free mics like the M5A/UR boom mic originated by 
the Navy.

- Mike? KC4TOS

On 12/3/2020 9:01 PM, MARK DORNEY via ARC5 wrote:
> I wonder if the Germans had better luck with their throat mics than 
> the US had with theirs. While never fully eliminated from USAAF use, 
> they were replaced by better mask mics and even the T-17 lollipop mic 
> because hardly anybody could understand what the hell was being said 
> when the throat mic was used. ?But it?s use sure looked good in the 
> movies.
>
> Mark D.
> WW2RDO
>
> ?In matters of style, float with the current. In matters of Principle, 
> stand like a rock. ?. ? - ? Thomas Jefferson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I'm going thru my stuff and picking out downsizing candidates, and 
>> found a German
>>
>> 'throat microphone', but with a 5 pin connector, so not Panzer. The 
>> strap has only
>>
>> the number L38114, so on a lark, I decided to try to look this up. Lo 
>> and behold, an
>>
>> "Online Throat Microphone Museum",
>>
>> http://beatboxmics.com/#!/pages/museum 
>> <http://beatboxmics.com/#!/pages/museum>
>>
>> Who would have thought?
>>
>> <image001.png>
>>
>> I learned this:
>>
>> "Abfragegarnitur L38 - Luftwaffe headset with throat microphone and 
>> single receiver.
>>
>> All parts have special codes starting with "L38". Throat microphone L 
>> 38114 is exactly the same
>>
>> as Kmf.b tank throat microphone. Luftwaffe production control marks 
>> are all around
>>
>> (BAL = Bau Aufsicht Luftfahrt). The 5-pin connector is of the type 
>> widely used by German
>>
>> Wehrmacht for telephone equipment. Maybe such "L38" headsets were in 
>> use at
>>
>> Luftwaffe telephone switchboards."
>>
>> That seems likely. Anyway, the mystery of what this item was, is 
>> solved.? Also I had looked
>>
>> at German tubes for many years and never knew what "BAL" referred to. 
>> How about that !
>>
>> I have a Swedish "Ericsson" throat mic this museum doesn't know 
>> about. I wonder if it was
>>
>> supplied to the German Luftwaffe during WW2 or just prior to the war. 
>> Sweden did trade
>>
>> with Germany until the point they saw Germany was on its last legs 
>> and no longer presented
>>
>> a threat of taking their country.
>>
>> -Hue Miller
>>
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Thu Dec  3 23:32:34 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 23:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] German throat mics - mystery almost solved
In-Reply-To: <4681e2fc-6133-b309-fc41-1355f82d5949@aafradio.org>
References: <MWHPR22MB02693FA0B6BFA39A75202A6BE4F20@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>	<6F1BB0E2-FFF1-40EC-B9C4-C9A5D69F6357@aol.com>
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Interesting comment Mike. Back about 20 years ago I was witnessing a test, run by a contractor for the Military, where speech intelligibility was performed. They hired around 20 random people from the street for a few hours. There were two rooms and the group was split in two, half in each room. One group was each given a list of words to speak into a mike and the people in the other room had to write down what they heard. After that, the groups switched rooms and the test was repeated. They were then released and the results scored. I actually thought the whole exercise was hilarious and a waste of government funds. 73 ? Mike  

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net <arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Michael Hanz
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:18 PM
To: MARK DORNEY <mkdorney at aol.com>; Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [ARC5] German throat mics - mystery almost solved

 

Well, the science of larynx mics was pretty well investgated even before the war began, and more intensively in the early part of the war.  I always remember with amusement the Bell Labs report that said, "[the throat microphone] would probably have been a very effective instrument but for the fact that the speech signal available at the larynx is intrinsically unintelligible."  (Page 131 at https://aafradio.org/docs/NDRC_Division_17_excerpts.pdf )  

In sophisticated word articulation tests, the low percentage of success rates were significant.  Fortunately, the move to higher altitudes encourage mask mics, so the throat mics began to die out through disuse and more modern hands free mics like the M5A/UR boom mic originated by the Navy.

- Mike  KC4TOS

On 12/3/2020 9:01 PM, MARK DORNEY via ARC5 wrote:

I wonder if the Germans had better luck with their throat mics than the US had with theirs. While never fully eliminated from USAAF use, they were replaced by better mask mics and even the T-17 lollipop mic because hardly anybody could understand what the hell was being said when the throat mic was used.  But it?s use sure looked good in the movies.  

 

Mark D. 

WW2RDO

?In matters of style, float with the current. In matters of Principle, stand like a rock. ?.   -   Thomas Jefferson  

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Hubert Miller  <mailto:Kargo_cult at msn.com> <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

? 

I'm going thru my stuff and picking out downsizing candidates, and found a German

'throat microphone', but with a 5 pin connector, so not Panzer. The strap has only 

the number L38114, so on a lark, I decided to try to look this up. Lo and behold, an

"Online Throat Microphone Museum", 

http://beatboxmics.com/#!/pages/museum

Who would have thought?

 

<image001.png>

 

I learned this:

"Abfragegarnitur L38 - Luftwaffe headset with throat microphone and single receiver.

All parts have special codes starting with "L38". Throat microphone L 38114 is exactly the same 

as Kmf.b tank throat microphone. Luftwaffe production control marks are all around 

(BAL = Bau Aufsicht Luftfahrt). The 5-pin connector is of the type widely used by German 

Wehrmacht for telephone equipment. Maybe such "L38" headsets were in use at 

Luftwaffe telephone switchboards."  

 

That seems likely. Anyway, the mystery of what this item was, is solved.  Also I had looked

at German tubes for many years and never knew what "BAL" referred to. How about that !

 

I have a Swedish "Ericsson" throat mic this museum doesn't know about. I wonder if it was 

supplied to the German Luftwaffe during WW2 or just prior to the war. Sweden did trade

with Germany until the point they saw Germany was on its last legs and no longer presented

a threat of taking their country.

-Hue Miller 

 

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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 11:38:53 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 16:38:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Asking about lowest price
References: <1005704125.2849377.1607099933114.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1005704125.2849377.1607099933114@mail.yahoo.com>

I have had luck with asking folks about maybe taking a lower price, especially when the epay shipping calculator seems off the chart.  On two items I bought, the sellers accepted my low ball  offer when, contingent upon receiving the unit and checking for completeness, where I said I would pay the full BIN if it checked out.  Both those deals, I did send them the rest of their BIN, they were probably surprised, but I was happy with both the things the sellers dealt on.  Some folks when you tell them them epay shipping seems excessive, will offer to refund the difference between epay and actual shipping.  Anything that will fit in a USPS flat rate box, needs to go that way as long as their is sufficient packing material.  Have you ever read the 'contract' you complete with FedEx or UPS?  In the fine print, it says items should be double boxed, in all new boxes, with a minimum of 4-6 inched of packing material between all 6 sides of the inner box and the outer, and be able to survive a 3ft fall.  How many items have you received a box with the item, or inner box, resting on the bottom, and covered with packing worms?  The item has to be suspended in a cushion that has give on all sides, and a solid boxed item surrounded with hard styrofoam sheeting is like no outer box at all.  Watch a youtube video of what happens to packages, and you will be amazed at the impacts they endure.  When you pack something up, take pictures of the process, this will expedite your claims when they destroy your treasure.  People ship broken items to their relatives and make claims for damages that did not exist, and the shippers first thought is that is what you have done too.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec  5 16:53:42 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 21:53:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Woodpecker Redux
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

If you listened to shortwave in the late 1970s early 1980s, you were surely at some time
bothered by the 'Russian Woodpecker',  over-the-horizon ( OTH ) high powered HF radar.
Here's a short 6 minute video, very interesting scenes of the remaining antenna and
buildings of the one remaining of three built.
When I saw the antenna, I thought, well maybe they could convert it to some kind of
zip-line attraction, but unfortunately this remaining antenna is too close to Chernobyl
hot zone for tourism.
It looks to me like the reflector backscreen is made of wire lines and although I couldn't
make out the size of the dipoles in front,  it looks like a lot of individual dipoles of cage
construction, I think to increase the working bandwidth of the dipoles. There is also a
fair amount of electronics junk lying around, like actual circuit boards with transistors
visible. My acquisitive nature says someone should either preserve the inside of those
buildings or at least sell off some of the memorabilia. If it's not too "hot" !  Also I noted
the size of soldier barracks. Typically Soviet, I thought, to have an oversupply of guard
contingent.

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0864g3p/the-secret-soviet-radar-hidden-in-chernobyl-s-shadow

I recall a winter around 1980 when radio propagation was really good. I took a CB walkie
talkie to Amateur Radio Supply, in Seattle, to put it up for commission sale. When I flipped
the talkie on to show that it worked, lo and behold "tuktuktuktuktuk.....tuktuktuktuk...."
It was the Woodpecker ! I also remember, amazingly, a little handheld AM transistor that
I swear, I heard the Woodpecker on in the background. That radio may have had a
misalignment problem !  Maybe you OTs remember an article in '73 Amateur Radio'
magazine titled "H5H, Comrade". The article suggested you "reply" to the Woodpecker
by sending CW and thus encourage the crew back in Russia to shift to some other
frequency. I tried this one evening, sending h5h over and over. The Woodpecker did
go away, finally, but I truthfully have no idea if it was to get away from my interference.
My 40 watts from a TCS. Probably not !
-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec  5 18:04:35 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 23:04:35 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown cover
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02696FF76190E3D158FD18BEE4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Last call for this unknown canvas cover.  Size 14.5 W x 12 D x 13.5 H inches.
Two flaps, one on each side. Left side opening flap is larger than the other.
The flaps lift up and snap to snaps on top the cover, to get them out of the
way of whatever entered those openings. If it was a radio cover, it would
have some kind of opening on the front for controls. There are NO numbers
of any kind remaining on it, altho cover is in very good condition. I have posted
the same question to the G503 group. I have no need for it, if it indeed goes
with nothing I have, so I am going to offer it free for shipping. So it gets one
last chance.
-Hue Miller [A picture containing indoor  Description automatically generated]
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec  5 19:07:40 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 00:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FW: Woodpecker Redux
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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An email recipient informed me that there are numerous very interesting Woodpecker videos on YouTube.
Just search something like "Russian Woodpecker radar". These are fabulous videos. People actually climb
the thing, like in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elqugt8nAD4
which made my palms sweat just to watch. I wondered if my work gloves would be okay, or would they
be tugged off? Yes, there are "railings", but?..
-Hue Miller

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec  5 19:15:16 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 00:15:16 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Woodpecker QSL
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02693A724B73313720EBCFE9E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Is it too late to write for a Woodpecker QSL card ?
"On Dec. 5, the program I heard was 'h 5 h, h 5 h, h 5 h...."
-Hue Miller

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec  5 20:44:46 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 01:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FS AT-271-A
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269B0DEF4DDE439E3B90170E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I have in good condition one AT-271-A.  I do not have the particular antenna
bases that this was apparently mounted to. I found a box that will ship it. 
FS. Make me a reasonable offer of what you'd like to pay. Keep in mind shipping
is not near free. Photo avail if necessary. Paint is near 100%.
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec  5 20:46:30 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 01:46:30 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown cover solved, BG-153
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02695C68D0F53E46CEF71575E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Subject: Re: Unknown cover

Lenox, you are THE MAN. I could not have guessed it. I just now looked at Google images
and there it was. You have put to rest my puzzlement of years. Rest of requesters: my policy is,
IF it remained unid, then it goes. Otherwise I will need to get money out of it. I do have charity 
outflows I would like to kind of balance. 
-Hue Miller 

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  5 23:11:20 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 20:11:20 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Woodpecker Redux
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <54605e30-7fb1-ef3f-c454-856b6e46c943@earthlink.net>

"The Woodpecker did go away, finally, but I truthfully have no idea if 
it was to get away from my interference."

Nowadays we have several hundred OTHR running per day, anywhere, 
everywhere, and no longer sending the preceding "S" in CW.  Some 
24/7/365 in the Ham bands, and the dozens, upon dozens, upon dozens of 
CODAR throughout HF, and low-VHF.  Makes me wish all we had to deal with 
was just one Woodpecker.

Kurt

From glennmaillist at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec  6 13:42:50 2020
From: glennmaillist at bellsouth.net (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:42:50 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown cover solved, BG-153
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02695C68D0F53E46CEF71575E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02695C68D0F53E46CEF71575E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <125b9c8a-0783-e724-3850-5d60a10de323@bellsouth.net>

So what is it for?

73
Glenn
WB4UIV

On 12/5/2020 8:46 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Subject: Re: Unknown cover
>
> Lenox, you are THE MAN. I could not have guessed it. I just now looked at Google images
> and there it was. You have put to rest my puzzlement of years. Rest of requesters: my policy is,
> IF it remained unid, then it goes. Otherwise I will need to get money out of it. I do have charity
> outflows I would like to kind of balance.
> -Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec  6 15:25:03 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:25:03 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown cover solved, BG-153
In-Reply-To: <125b9c8a-0783-e724-3850-5d60a10de323@bellsouth.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB02695C68D0F53E46CEF71575E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<125b9c8a-0783-e724-3850-5d60a10de323@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269F9B2CCE5311CB4CE8512E4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

As Lenox wrote me, 
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 16:20:15 PST 
 
"Looks like a BG-153 to me.  The rain cover for the SCR-509, SCR-510, SCR-609 or SCR-610 (BC-620, BC-659).  
The large flap covers the radio controls and the small flap covers the antenna connector.  It does not need to
be removed to operate the radio. Anybody with a jeep and a SCR-610 would want it.   
Lenox  WA5OVG"
 
 


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec  6 15:28:27 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:28:27 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] AT-271  SOLD
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026906F1A83FE2A31316BA1AE4CF0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

AT-271-A has been sold, thank you.
-H Miller 

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  6 16:53:27 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:53:27 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Woodpecker Redux
In-Reply-To: <1290139803.129638.1607274815203@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<54605e30-7fb1-ef3f-c454-856b6e46c943@earthlink.net>
	<1290139803.129638.1607274815203@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <0b7ee193-70cf-fe80-76d7-4031c4fb1f98@earthlink.net>

> Since then the ITU has designated certain bands for CODAR operation.

Interesting.  Narrows it down to only a good portion of HF, rather than 
all of HF!

Kurt


From mstangelo at comcast.net  Sun Dec  6 12:13:34 2020
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (MICHAEL ST ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 12:13:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Woodpecker Redux
In-Reply-To: <54605e30-7fb1-ef3f-c454-856b6e46c943@earthlink.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB026959EE38C9888634694F23E4F00@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<54605e30-7fb1-ef3f-c454-856b6e46c943@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1290139803.129638.1607274815203@connect.xfinity.com>

We have many CODAR installations along the New Jersey shore. They are designed to measure ocean currents. One of them was interfering with 60 meters. I contacted Rutgers University, which administers the ones here, and the frequency was moved.

Since then the ITU has designated certain bands for CODAR operation.

See attachment.

Mike N2MS

> On 12/05/2020 11:11 PM KD7JYK DM09 <kd7jyk at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> "The Woodpecker did go away, finally, but I truthfully have no idea if 
> it was to get away from my interference."
> 
> Nowadays we have several hundred OTHR running per day, anywhere, 
> everywhere, and no longer sending the preceding "S" in CW.  Some 
> 24/7/365 in the Ham bands, and the dozens, upon dozens, upon dozens of 
> CODAR throughout HF, and low-VHF.  Makes me wish all we had to deal with 
> was just one Woodpecker.
>
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec  6 23:35:36 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 04:35:36 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DY-88 / GRC-9 vibe E201 ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Where would you go to buy an E201 vibrator for DY-88 ?
I didn't see one offer, on a brief look. Except for the VMARS,
U.K. offer of a transistor replacement, which really is probably
the way to go.
thanks-
Hue Miller 

From ark at ar88.net  Mon Dec  7 00:00:17 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] DY-88 / GRC-9 vibe E201 ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <b50afd66-2db8-1ca9-8ddc-689dcc1786b0@ar88.net>

Hue,

I can't suggest a source of a replacement, but over the years I've had 
good luck waking up old vibrators as I describe HERE 
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/commrx/Maintenance/Waking%20Up.doc.pdf>.

Al

On 12/6/2020 11:35 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Where would you go to buy an E201 vibrator for DY-88 ?
> I didn't see one offer, on a brief look. Except for the VMARS,
> U.K. offer of a transistor replacement, which really is probably
> the way to go.
> thanks-
> Hue Miller
> ______________________________________________________________
> Milsurplus mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html

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Jersey City, NJ
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec  7 07:52:30 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 06:52:30 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-611 Replica- Parts Source?
Message-ID: <989d90ec-030f-94e3-2f4f-1743ba7185ce@ix.netcom.com>

Has anyone obtained one of the full-size,
empty-case BC-611 replicas?
The listing claims it's a near exact replication.
|
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203176628011

Might one of these be a possible source for
case parts- bottom closure cap nut, antenna
cover, mike and earphone cover etc.?

Thanks,
Dave S.



-- 
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Mon Dec  7 07:54:14 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 07:54:14 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] DY-88 / GRC-9 vibe E201 ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <c636840f-21d9-c1c1-284c-bcf48cb3e544@comcast.net>

I use a simple multivibrator using two transistors and two resistors.? 
Works every time, and "no radio noise."

Richard, AA1P

On 12/6/20 11:35 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Where would you go to buy an E201 vibrator for DY-88 ?
> I didn't see one offer, on a brief look. Except for the VMARS,
> U.K. offer of a transistor replacement, which really is probably
> the way to go.
> thanks-
> Hue Miller
> ______________________________________________________________

From smithab11 at comcast.net  Mon Dec  7 13:01:12 2020
From: smithab11 at comcast.net (B. Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 13:01:12 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-611 Replica- Parts Source?
In-Reply-To: <989d90ec-030f-94e3-2f4f-1743ba7185ce@ix.netcom.com>
References: <989d90ec-030f-94e3-2f4f-1743ba7185ce@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <518e4040-b93c-3713-4066-05ec9d9afcbb@comcast.net>

I purchased one of the "display" cases several years ago and finally did 
something with it. I do not recommend? using it as a parts chassis.
k4che
http://k4che.com/BC-611%20Knockoff/BC-611%20Knockoff.htm

On 12/7/2020 7:52 AM, David Stinson wrote:
> Has anyone obtained one of the full-size,
> empty-case BC-611 replicas?
> The listing claims it's a near exact replication.
> |
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203176628011
>
> Might one of these be a possible source for
> case parts- bottom closure cap nut, antenna
> cover, mike and earphone cover etc.?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave S.
>
>
>


From noflood1 at sonic.net  Mon Dec  7 14:55:15 2020
From: noflood1 at sonic.net (Tom)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 11:55:15 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] DY-88 / GRC-9 vibe E201 ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <28bcfc1192ae9b7a2586b3c1590b8cfe@sonic.net>

  Back in 2017 I contributed to an article in ER written by N6CAV about
using an Aurora Designs VBN-1 module to solid state the DY-88 vibrator
module. Process is easy requiring the module which I bought from Bob's
TV at

1415 S 4th St, Oceano, CA 93445 

Phone [1]: (805) 489-8200 [2] 

 The VBN-1 Module was at that time $40 plus 2 1N5406 diodes 

Article was in this issue of ER 

https://www.ermag.com/product/er-336-may-2017/ 

                                                                   
W6TOM 

On 2020-12-06 20:35, Hubert Miller wrote:

> Where would you go to buy an E201 vibrator for DY-88 ?
> I didn't see one offer, on a brief look. Except for the VMARS,
> U.K. offer of a transistor replacement, which really is probably
> the way to go.
> thanks-
> Hue Miller 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Milsurplus mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
 

Links:
------
[1]
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&amp;q=bob%27s+radio+%26+tv+services+oceano+phone&amp;ludocid=1485324866192955591&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwivj9rQm7vtAhWQ1VkKHZ8-Aw4Q6BMwEXoECA0QAg
[2]
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&amp;q=bob%27s+tv+oceano#
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From noflood1 at sonic.net  Mon Dec  7 14:56:26 2020
From: noflood1 at sonic.net (Tom)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 11:56:26 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] DY-88 / GRC-9 vibe E201 ?
In-Reply-To: <b50afd66-2db8-1ca9-8ddc-689dcc1786b0@ar88.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269733D270CA3E0B2B53CA2E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<b50afd66-2db8-1ca9-8ddc-689dcc1786b0@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <c5c11ddb115557220ce953664e96e012@sonic.net>

Back in 2017 I contributed to an article in ER written by N6CAV about
using an Aurora Designs VBN-1 module to solid state the DY-88 vibrator
module. Process is easy requiring the module which I bought from Bob's
TV at

1415 S 4th St, Oceano, CA 93445 

Phone [2]: (805) 489-8200 [3] 

 The VBN-1 Module was at that time $40 plus 2 1N5406 diodes 

Article was in this issue of ER 

https://www.ermag.com/product/er-336-may-2017/ 

                                                                   
W6TOM 

On 2020-12-06 21:00, Al Klase wrote:

> Hue,
> 
> I can't suggest a source of a replacement, but over the years I've had good luck waking up old vibrators as I describe HERE [1].
> 
> Al
> 
> On 12/6/2020 11:35 PM, Hubert Miller wrote: 
> 
>> Where would you go to buy an E201 vibrator for DY-88 ?
>> I didn't see one offer, on a brief look. Except for the VMARS,
>> U.K. offer of a transistor replacement, which really is probably
>> the way to go.
>> thanks-
>> Hue Miller 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Milsurplus mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> 
> -- 
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Milsurplus mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
 

Links:
------
[1] http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/commrx/Maintenance/Waking%20Up.doc.pdf
[2]
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&amp;q=bob%27s+radio+%26+tv+services+oceano+phone&amp;ludocid=1485324866192955591&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwivj9rQm7vtAhWQ1VkKHZ8-Aw4Q6BMwEXoECA0QAg
[3]
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&amp;q=bob%27s+tv+oceano#
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec  7 16:06:23 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 21:06:23 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DY-88 / GRC-9 vibe E201 ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026989200277EAA84C0FFBC4E4CE0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I could have been more clear about what I need. I have a DY-88 lacking a vibrator; this DY I 
will be putting on Ebay soon. I don't want to go thru the trouble of building a replacement
using the E201 housing or not; that would just not be cost effective.
I am really astonished how thoroughly this item seems to have disappeared.

I also have a DY-105 to sell soon, but I am guessing that very few military vehicles enthusiasts
have a vehicle with 24 volt supply.
-H M 

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 19:45:26 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 19:45:26 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] ARB - help needed
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNey05heSd6Etu9AZHnGgu1hwrMG1jXi5V2j1=bNYZY9vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <167098252.3850337.1606960366589.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<167098252.3850337.1606960366589@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAB55hNeEwzUQr=RumRCxKM_0KhGfCmOJM4o3h=hSPxjXOZfOeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1386672752.5948018.1607471514330@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAB55hNey05heSd6Etu9AZHnGgu1hwrMG1jXi5V2j1=bNYZY9vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdHMU2EAQdKnAYkEzGk-o5q+Le82D1=im8xshPyEeV31w@mail.gmail.com>

This fellow is looking for someone to get his father?s ARB working again.
Sounds like he knows nothing technical, just would like to hear Dad?s radio
again. If you can help or know someone who can, please contact him
directly. He is located in Rockford IL.
I know nothing more.
Nick

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: R.B. SHUMWAY SHUMWAY'S <shumwayrb at aol.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: WW2 Receivers
To: <nick at navy-radio.com>


My dad the radio and made a cabinet for it. My dad had something to do with
military surplus.  The radio worked for years. I grew up with the radio, I
used an old tank antenna and it worked great. When I took it out of the
closet , after siting there for 7 years it did not work. Don't know what
the control boxes are. I do know it has a plug that you plug into 110 volts.
    I  remember my dad said some of the radios had explosives in them in
case they had to destroy the radio.

   I would love to have it running again.

Thanks for your help !

Bob Shumway
8461 Spring Brook Road
<https://www.google.com/maps/search/8461+Spring+Brook+Road+%0D%0A+Rockford,+Il+61114?entry=gmail&source=g>
<https://www.google.com/maps/search/8461+Spring+Brook+Road+%0D%0A+Rockford,+Il+61114?entry=gmail&source=g>
Rockford, Il 61114
<https://www.google.com/maps/search/8461+Spring+Brook+Road+%0D%0A+Rockford,+Il+61114?entry=gmail&source=g>
shumwayrb at aol.com
phone 815-985-2332

In a message dated 12/8/2020 12:58:42 PM Central Standard Time,
nick at navy-radio.com writes:


Hi Bob - sorry for the late reply. I lost your mail.
The CRV-46151 is better known as model ARB, an aircraft receiver that runs
off 28vdc.
Let me know where you are located and I'll check with my military radio
buddies to see if someone can fix it.
Are you looking for a complete restoration or just to get it running?
1) Did it used to work and now doesn't?
2) Not sure if it ever worked?
3) Do you also have the control boxes, etc.?
A spec sheet is attached

Nick England K4NYW
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:52 PM R.B. SHUMWAY SHUMWAY'S <shumwayrb at aol.com>
wrote:

have a old navy radio my dad had. CRV_46151 do you know of anyone who could
fix it?  Any help would be great



Bob Shumway shumwayrb at aol.com

-- 
Nick England K4NYW
Chapel Hill NC
www.navy-radio.com
-- 
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec  9 01:27:06 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 06:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Question CD-1086 p/o GRC-9
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026919C88648BCACE331F74EE4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Is this true:
CD-1086 for GRC-9  44 inches is for use with GN-58
CD-1086  for GRC-9  84 inches is for vehicle PE or DY supply ?
Thanks-
Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec  9 03:23:12 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 08:23:12 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Question CD-1086 p/o GRC-9
In-Reply-To: <012901d6ce03$0b9adad0$22d09070$@com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026919C88648BCACE331F74EE4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<012901d6ce03$0b9adad0$22d09070$@com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026901A66BD96625847D7894E4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Well, the GRC-9 TM 11-263 shows the PE-237 on one side of the Jeep and the GRC-9 on the other.
I thought, no way a 44 inch cable is going fit that. I assume the DY-88 would be in the same position?
-Hue 

Subject: RE: [Milsurplus] Question CD-1086 p/o GRC-9

>>No, not necessarily.  It depends upon how the radio (either RT-77, RT-12 or
BC-1306) is set up relative to any of the several different power sources.

Robert Downs

>Subject: [Milsurplus] Question CD-1086 p/o GRC-9

Is this true:
CD-1086 for GRC-9  44 inches is for use with GN-58
CD-1086  for GRC-9  84 inches is for vehicle PE or DY supply ?
Thanks-
Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec  9 04:07:01 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 09:07:01 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269A40D27266EB031922450E4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I found this photo in my stock. At first I thought it was mine, but I think it's a graphic
I stole from Ebay. My question, I have never seen a TBX-8 with whiteface meters. No
not ever. The caption on the photo says TBX-8 and the break in switching in position
of power connectors shows that is true. TBX-6 was the old circuit, whiteface meters
and manual switching. TBX-7 is AFAIK is same as -8. So I have to assume caption is
right, this is an -8. So: have you ever seen before a TBX-8 with white meters?
I think the effect is rather fetching. I like it more than the black face* meters, no
implicit bias involved. (* I first wrote "blackface" as one word, but then thought
better.... ).  But I suppose the white meters are an 'attractive nuisance' in a combat
zone.
-Hue Miller

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 07:09:00 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 07:09:00 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269A40D27266EB031922450E4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269A40D27266EB031922450E4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdjJR2QCLvDZL4GyqMbpKoPX33Ba2KeoDF=LJwfQ5SdfA@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe just sunlight on the meter glass?
See these examples with one black and one "white" meter....
http://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/ww2/tbx/tbx-k0ip-4586.JPG
http://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/ww2/tbx/tbx8-111.jpg
Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:07 AM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

> I found this photo in my stock. At first I thought it was mine, but I
> think it's a graphic
>
> I stole from Ebay. My question, I have never seen a TBX-8 with whiteface
> meters. No
>
> not ever. The caption on the photo says TBX-8 and the break in switching
> in position
>
> of power connectors shows that is true. TBX-6 was the old circuit,
> whiteface meters
>
> and manual switching. TBX-7 is AFAIK is same as -8. So I have to assume
> caption is
>
> right, this is an -8. So: have you ever seen before a TBX-8 with white
> meters?
> I think the effect is rather fetching. I like it more than the black face*
> meters, no
>
> implicit bias involved. (* I first wrote "blackface" as one word, but then
> thought
>
> better?. ).  But I suppose the white meters are an 'attractive nuisance'
> in a combat
>
> zone.
>
> -Hue Miller
>
>
>
> [image: A picture containing electronics, camera Description automatically
> generated]
> ______________________________________________________________
> Milsurplus mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From Foltarz at rocketmail.com  Wed Dec  9 08:50:53 2020
From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:50:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Moving an AN/FRT-24 Question
References: <414314198.6139150.1607521853209.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <414314198.6139150.1607521853209@mail.yahoo.com>

If there are any owners of an FRT-24 on the list I am looking for advice on moving one of these.I have not seen one of these up close and I am wondering if there are hints to make the job easier.
tnx
de?
KA4JVY
Mark
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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Wed Dec  9 12:23:31 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 09:23:31 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdjJR2QCLvDZL4GyqMbpKoPX33Ba2KeoDF=LJwfQ5SdfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269A40D27266EB031922450E4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAB55hNdjJR2QCLvDZL4GyqMbpKoPX33Ba2KeoDF=LJwfQ5SdfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FD10813.20905.551FEE@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 9 Dec 2020 at 7:09, Nick England wrote:

> 
> Maybe just sunlight on the meter glass?

That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me.

Ken W7EKB

From r390a.urr at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 12:49:21 2020
From: r390a.urr at gmail.com (Dave Merrill)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 11:49:21 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY test data report
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269964E65A713C30C862476E4850@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02690126B160D5494E271330E4850@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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I found I have a TBY-8 manual with test data for s/n 1399 made by Colonial
in Buffalo, NY, dated February 1944.  There are 14 pages of actual test
results and 22 pages of pre-printed Typical Test Results. The receiver and
transmitter tests were signed off by different individuals as were the
backlash, power output and sensitivity tests. I imagine they had multiple
dedicated test benches with technicians trained for each test so they could
queue 'em up and run 'em through.

Most signatures are just a last name but Nina Buscaglia signed her full
name once. Found her in the 1940 census living with her parents and
siblings in Buffalo. She was 17 in April, 1940 (census day) so she was not
yet 21 in February when she signed off on s/n 1399. Just one of many women
and men recruited for wartime production work.

Dave
N9ZC

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 11:08 PM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

> BTW, I don't think I have seen the TBY selectivity numbers specifically
> called out elsewhere.
>
> Here's what the report gives for SN 2850 :
>
> (total BW )
>
>
>
> -6 db       217  kHz
>
> -20 db     550 kHz
>
> -60 db     1368 kHz
>
>
>
> -Hue Miller
>
>
>
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec  9 15:56:15 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:56:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY test data report
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Thanks for that interesting tidbit, Dave. I'm sure a few others at least appreciate small intriguing facts like this.
I'll later dig out my TBY Test Data book and look for signatures in it. 

Now along this general line of looking up names on historic paper, let me recount this. I have a few miscellaneous
pages from a WW2 Army camp in Florida. The papers deal with how to place and control monitors or reporters
( well, "informers" in any other regime ) to report on any possibly disaffected or disloyal soldiers. There is a report
on one soldier who made allegedly pro-German statements and so was noted for special attention. Now, I thought
that this was "practice information", in other words, a fake name and case made up just to educate how such info
gathering system should be operated. Anyway I googled the name and lo and behold, I saw the gentleman's short 
history there, on some genealogy page. Apparently whatever statements he made didn't get him in the stockade,
altho it seems likely his Army career, whatever its potential might have been, was surely limited by the confidential
info in his file. 
Some of the pages discuss "Japanese propaganda effects among Negro soldiers". Of course there was discontent
with an oppressive status quo but I hardly think many American Blacks were swayed by Japanese shortwave 
propaganda or even ever heard it. I thought about donating these pages to the NAACP for their archives and I just might
do that.
Not cross-posting the above to army-radios as I don't want anyone there to have a conniption over off-topic posts, oh no.
-Hue Miller 

>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TBY test data report

I found I have a TBY-8 manual?with test data for s/n 1399 made by Colonial in Buffalo, NY, dated February 1944.? There are 14 pages of actual test results and 22 pages of pre-printed Typical Test Results. The receiver and transmitter tests were signed off by different individuals as were the backlash, power output and sensitivity tests. I imagine they had multiple dedicated test benches with technicians trained for each test so they could queue 'em up and run 'em through.

Most signatures are just a last name but Nina Buscaglia signed her full name once. Found her in the 1940 census living with her parents and siblings in Buffalo. She was 17 in April, 1940 (census day) so she was not yet 21 in February when she signed off on?s/n 1399. Just one of many women and men recruited for wartime production work.

Dave
N9ZC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec  9 15:59:23 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 20:59:23 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??
In-Reply-To: <5FD10813.20905.551FEE@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269A40D27266EB031922450E4CC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
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Thank you, gentlemen !  
Seems this small town rube fell for a simple illusion.
-Hue 

>-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth G. Gordon 
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??

On 9 Dec 2020 at 7:09, Nick England wrote:

> 
> Maybe just sunlight on the meter glass?

That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me.

Ken W7EKB

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  9 18:28:54 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:28:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??
Message-ID: <520629968.7864.1607556534623@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hue wrote:

> TBX-7 is AFAIK is same as -8.

According to the Navy Type Number Book, NAVSHIPS 900,109 (September 1945):

CGQ-43060    TBX-8  (4/27/44)  (Garod)
CG -43060-A  TBX-7  (9/14/44)  (General Electric) 
-> Same as -43060 except for type of meter multiplier resistors.

I remember a humorous letter sent to CQ MAG more than 60 years ago which stated according the military's JAN nomenclature system, the TBX-* was a Ground Transportable Pidgeon Used for Identification Friend or Foe.  (Back then, B in the second position meant the associated system pertained to carrier pidgeon communications.)

Mike / KK5F
PS:  I've never seen a TBX-7.

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  9 20:10:10 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 01:10:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] An amazing resource
References: <227703363.4015339.1607562610207.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <227703363.4015339.1607562610207@mail.yahoo.com>

If you have never seen the 'Service and Instruction Manual, RADIO, B-24-D Airplane', you are missing a great look at all the comm. gear that was in this, with information applicable to  several other aircraft with the same gear.  Command Set, Liaison, RDF, Interphone, Ant. Reel, and all the hookups and connections, electrical and mechanical to all stations, plus theory of operation, service information with wonderful black and white photos and clear schematics of everything.  I have been trying to find the equivalent for a B17F, but no luck and it looks like Consolidated Aircraft is the only one to make such a comprehensive book for just radio.  About $35 and up, Abe Books is a good place, and can be found on Epay now and then.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 11 20:19:43 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 01:19:43 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "The Titanic" -   book on magazine racks now
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02692A9DE901F10FC2C3EEA5E4C90@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

On the store magazine racks right now is a large magazine - format offering, "The Titanic",  $13.
I bought this at the Fred Meyer ( Kroger ) store. Probably no new groundbreaking material here,
but I found it quite interesting throughout. There are a lot of graphics, lots of stories on various
interesting Titanic facts and stories; furniture, menus, artifacts, survivors, myths, more. For me,
the listing and reviews of the various 'Titanic' movies over the years is really interesting, and I'll
look these up as time allows. If you're still intrigued by this story, you might want to look up this
book.

There is one photo of a radio room, I show it below. At first I thought, that can't be right - it looks
really cramped, and the operator is sitting on what looks like a crate? The accompanying text
comments on the radio operator job as offering upward mobility for working class young men,
but does not claim this photo to be the Titanic radio room. Possibly they got this image from a
postcard or period wireless magazine.

I noticed in the last few years the magazine racks tend to more and more of these "special editions",
with titles such as "Women of the Bible", "Gut Health", "The Mind of the Dog", anything that might
fly. My guess is that as paper subscriptions to all kinds of publications continue to decline, this is
the way periodical publishers try to maintain. 'Special edition', special reports, "Collector Edition"
( right....), and so on. It seems to me, but not sure, that this was the publishing model in much of the
underdeveloped 'Third World' countries, not that this is not necessarily a judgment; I'm just commenting
on the changes I see.
-Hue Miller

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Dec 11 20:36:30 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:36:30 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] "The Titanic" -   book on magazine racks now
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02692A9DE901F10FC2C3EEA5E4C90@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <065401d6d027$378540b0$a68fc210$@eozinc.com>

While most of the equipment depicted is correct, this is not the radio room
on the Titanic. I have seen numerous ones in the past, none handy, but the
photo here will probably satisfy most of the readers. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Hubert Miller
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 8:20 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; nwvrs at googlegroups.com; PSARA
<psara_seattle at googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Milsurplus] "The Titanic" - book on magazine racks now

 

On the store magazine racks right now is a large magazine - format offering,
"The Titanic",  $13.

I bought this at the Fred Meyer ( Kroger ) store. Probably no new
groundbreaking material here,

but I found it quite interesting throughout. There are a lot of graphics,
lots of stories on various

interesting Titanic facts and stories; furniture, menus, artifacts,
survivors, myths, more. For me,

the listing and reviews of the various 'Titanic' movies over the years is
really interesting, and I'll 

look these up as time allows. If you're still intrigued by this story, you
might want to look up this

book. 

 

There is one photo of a radio room, I show it below. At first I thought,
that can't be right - it looks

really cramped, and the operator is sitting on what looks like a crate? The
accompanying text 

comments on the radio operator job as offering upward mobility for working
class young men,

but does not claim this photo to be the Titanic radio room. Possibly they
got this image from a

postcard or period wireless magazine. 

 

I noticed in the last few years the magazine racks tend to more and more of
these "special editions",

with titles such as "Women of the Bible", "Gut Health", "The Mind of the
Dog", anything that might

fly. My guess is that as paper subscriptions to all kinds of publications
continue to decline, this is

the way periodical publishers try to maintain. 'Special edition', special
reports, "Collector Edition"

( right..), and so on. It seems to me, but not sure, that this was the
publishing model in much of the

underdeveloped 'Third World' countries, not that this is not necessarily a
judgment; I'm just commenting

on the changes I see. 

-Hue Miller

 



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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 11 21:32:03 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 02:32:03 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a TBX-8 or ??
In-Reply-To: <520629968.7864.1607556534623@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <520629968.7864.1607556534623@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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So does this say the -7 contract was somehow issued after the -8 contract ??
I too have never seen a -7 or even one offered. 
My guess is that the most common model, and used in all the famous sites, was the -4. 
It seems most numerous to me. "Seems", not scientific.  I have a -2, a -4, and a -4a, but I 
don't recall what the "a" means. I read that the -6 was the "Coast Guard model" and I 
have wondered, does that mean less or no radium paint?
There was an attractive -6 recently on Epay for $200, no cabinet. I offered no $150, not 
accepted. I do have a cabinet I could have used. But 200, no not me, and maintain my
self respect. So someone else did actually jump on it. Good luck finding your cabinet, pal.
-Hue Miller

>According to the Navy Type Number Book, NAVSHIPS 900,109 (September 1945):

CGQ-43060    TBX-8  (4/27/44)  (Garod)
CG -43060-A  TBX-7  (9/14/44)  (General Electric) 
-> Same as -43060 except for type of meter multiplier resistors.

I remember a humorous letter sent to CQ MAG more than 60 years ago which stated according the military's JAN nomenclature system, the TBX-* was a Ground Transportable Pidgeon Used for Identification Friend or Foe.  (Back then, B in the second position meant the associated system pertained to carrier pidgeon communications.)

Mike / KK5F
PS:  I've never seen a TBX-7.


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 11 21:45:25 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 02:45:25 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 question
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026905484422153E7A8EAAF5E4C90@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Someone posted recently that he had a TBX-8 with whiteface meters. 
I looked for the mail containing that post but can't find it. Hence, 
if it's you, will you please tell me the SN of that unit? Just for my own 
info. I had thought that the black face meters were another of the 
improvements to the departure of the -7 and -8 from all the earlier 
models. Even tho the meter facing is not among the new, improved
features listed in the manual. 
Odd, the war mostly over and the Navy finally decides that white
face meters in a front lines radio is a liability. And right during the 
production run, an on-the-fly change. 
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Dec 11 23:26:28 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 04:26:28 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remote tuning cable length ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269D212746F47FBCA996C6FE4C90@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Was looking thru my photos and rediscovered this. I see one ARB is locally controlled
and one remote. This brings to mind a question: how long could the tuning cable be?
I labeled this photo in my archive as "K-28 Blimp" but I have another photo with same
label but has 2 RU receivers instead, with the same GP transmitter. Can you shed light
on what lighter than air craft these actually should be labeled?
tnx,  Hue Miller

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From old_radio at aol.com  Sat Dec 12 15:42:23 2020
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:42:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remote tuning cable length ?
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HueNo maximum length of control cable is mentioned in the ARB manual.? It does mention that the control cable is supplied in 12 foot lengths with one connector already mounted.? I would imagine that the maximum control cable length is at least 12 feet.? I didn't look to see if there was a way to mate two control cables and extend the distance between the radio and it's control.
Have noticed a few AN/ARN-59 aka ARC R-30 ADF receivers listed on eBay lately.? Perhaps this radio is the last of the tube powered ADF radios?? All subminiature soldered-in tubes except for the BFO which uses an early transistor which is sealed into the BFO assembly.? Solid state ADF receivers seem to have more volume then this radio.
Jim

I wonder why people argue over the 10% of their differences and ignore the 90% they agree on?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
To: arc5 at mailman.qth.net <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2020 10:26 pm
Subject: [Milsurplus] Remote tuning cable length ?

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Dec 12 19:37:37 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 00:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Earphone Earpad covers experiment
Message-ID: <BN6PR22MB02582AD33F0CDF04111A19B3E4C80@BN6PR22MB0258.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Here is a little experiment I performed. I have some quite rare vintage headphones.
I generally feel I should avoid using them, just to keep them from being even more "aged".
The technical term in the collector world is "salty", which means, "shows wear and aging
from being worn". Plus, some of these are just not very comfortable, and moisture also
sometimes builds up while you're using them. I think collectors should actually avoid
using the Panzer headphones with the large cushions, but...I know some will insist. It's
"theirs", after all.
I recently sold a couple Heil headsets and in refurbing them, I bought new earpad and
covers. I haven't tried the earpads yet on vintage phones, but the covers look very
promising. The covers are cotton, with an elastic band, kind of a "sock". The photo
below shows they pass the hardest test: fitting over the large earpads of a German WWII
flak crew headphone. This was the ultimate real test, as the earpads have very little
clearance where they attach to the support band. BTW, most people, I think, would
guess that the firm band goes on top. No way: the firm band is on back, and the cloth
band goes over the head, and fits under the helmet.
Next I'll order a couple sets of earpads and also some microphone covers and see
what fits and how well.
Photo shows Luftwaffe headphone L38201 with Heil Earpad Cover ( Heil part 'EPC' )
on one side.
-Hue Miller

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From n2lxm at juno.com  Sat Dec 12 15:46:49 2020
From: n2lxm at juno.com (n2lxm at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Need Two OA3 Tubes
Message-ID: <AABR7L7RPAVU6TSA@smtpout01.vgs.untd.com>

Good Evening All,

        I am in need of a pair of OA3 Voltage Regulator tubes. Anyone got
two they can spare.


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From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 22:58:46 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors] Need Two OA3 Tubes
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vacuumtubesinc.com has them for $5 each.

73 Mark K3MSB

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:14 PM Walt Cates <cateswa at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry fresh out but this may help.
>
> 0A3 = VT-260<https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vt260.html> = QS1205<https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_qs1205.html> = CV1895<https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_cv1895.html> = VR75-30<https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vr75-30.html> = QS75/40<https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_qs7540~2.html>
>
>
>  Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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From rob at k7tgu.com  Sun Dec 13 15:05:32 2020
From: rob at k7tgu.com (Rob Lee)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:05:32 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Collins 350D-3 Shockmount Inquiry
Message-ID: <B8E739D014704FE3BA97295D1A4E0E39@RadioRoom>

Does anyone have a Collins 350D-3 shockmount for sale? Fits tuners 180K-3, 180L-2, 180L-3, etc.

Rob K7TGU
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From mmab at cox.net  Sun Dec 13 15:01:35 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (mmab)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:01:35 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
Message-ID: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>

What's this?? Thought is might be a BC-9A, but the angles of the loop 
sections projecting from the back of the set do not seem right for a 
BC-9.? Mike, W6MAB




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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Sun Dec 13 21:47:53 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
Message-ID: <003601d6d1c3$857d0800$90771800$@eozinc.com>

I believe you are correct in that it is a BC-9A. The only other similar radio is the BC-148, but the front panel is different. It is possible the antenna went in at an angle to increase its size. 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 3:02 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver

 

What's this?  Thought is might be a BC-9A, but the angles of the loop sections projecting from the back of the set do not seem right for a BC-9.  Mike, W6MAB

 

 

 

 

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 13 21:57:45 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 02:57:45 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I owned a BC-9 many many years ago but considering it impractical to use, 
I sold it. I learned later it can in fact be used, but still not my cup of tea.
The antenna connectors look just as I remember them. I see Mike's point
about the more acute angle of the antenna socket. However I am guessing
the width of the case back plate does not allow antenna sockets at a wider
angle and still have the length of each necessary to support the antenna.
Perhaps the antenna elements' ends where it enters the radio, these antenna 
elements have a downward bend near the end? Or am I off base?
-Hue Miller 

From n4fs at eozinc.com  Sun Dec 13 22:12:30 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:12:30 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000001d6d1c6$f5c0a060$e141e120$@eozinc.com>

Exactly, that is what I said Hue. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

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From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Hubert Miller
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:58 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver

 

I owned a BC-9 many many years ago but considering it impractical to use, I
sold it. I learned later it can in fact be used, but still not my cup of
tea.

The antenna connectors look just as I remember them. I see Mike's point
about the more acute angle of the antenna socket. However I am guessing the
width of the case back plate does not allow antenna sockets at a wider angle
and still have the length of each necessary to support the antenna.

Perhaps the antenna elements' ends where it enters the radio, these antenna
elements have a downward bend near the end? Or am I off base?

-Hue Miller

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From mmab at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 11:19:35 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (mmab)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>

Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.? 
Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of 
the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.? I 
have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but 
except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna.? 
Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and 
construction of the antenna?




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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Mon Dec 14 11:51:19 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:51:19 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>,
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5FD79807.21398.1FAA72@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 14 Dec 2020 at 8:19, mmab wrote:

> Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.? 
> Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of 
> the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.? I 
> have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but 
> except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna.? 
> Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and 
> construction of the antenna?

I believe Dave Stinson has a BC-9 in operation. I don't know why he hasn't responded to this, 
but maybe he has been busy.

Ken W7EKB

From mmab at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 12:23:55 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:23:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <5FD79807.21398.1FAA72@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>,
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
	<5FD79807.21398.1FAA72@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
Message-ID: <16686078.623671.1607966635385@myemail.cox.net>

I know Dave AB5S did an excellent restoration of a BC-9A and made an antenna for it. I had stored copies of Dave's work on my old computer, but it crashed and the repairer managed to destroy many of my files including those of Dave's work. In any case, there must be a manual or specification for the unit somewhere, Mike W6MAB

> On December 14, 2020 at 11:51 AM "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon2006 at frontier.com mailto:kgordon2006 at frontier.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     On 14 Dec 2020 at 8:19, mmab wrote:
> 
>         > > Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.
> >         Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of
> >         the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.  I
> >         have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but
> >         except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna. 
> >         Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and
> >         construction of the antenna?
> > 
> >     >     I believe Dave Stinson has a BC-9 in operation. I don't know why he hasn't responded to this,
>     but maybe he has been busy.
> 
>     Ken W7EKB
> 
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From wirelessset at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 14 12:55:56 2020
From: wirelessset at hotmail.com (Bruce MacMillan)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:55:56 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
Message-ID: <PR3P195MB0666C66CAF7B26DFC8B29049ADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The manual is available on Radio Nerds. It decribes the aerial 
construction and dimensions.

https://radionerds.com/images/b/b2/RA_PA-6_1923.pdf

Bruce
M0SOE

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From mmab at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 13:19:07 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:19:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <PR3P195MB0666C66CAF7B26DFC8B29049ADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
	<PR3P195MB0666C66CAF7B26DFC8B29049ADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1728355826.653663.1607969947600@myemail.cox.net>

Thanks Bruce.  Just what I needed.  Mike, W6MAB


> On December 14, 2020 at 12:55 PM Bruce MacMillan <wirelessset at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The manual is available on Radio Nerds. It decribes the aerial 
> construction and dimensions.
> 
> https://radionerds.com/images/b/b2/RA_PA-6_1923.pdf
> 
> Bruce
> M0SOE
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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 14 14:09:50 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:09:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
Message-ID: <662807921.4347.1607972991079@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

To me, that truck BC-9-A appears configured exactly like the photo of the set as shown in the SCR-77-B Instruction Book (Radio Communications Pamphlet 43, April 1925). 

The earlier SCR-77-A used the BC-9 (not -A) that has very significant technical differences, but it uses the same loop type LP-2 as the BC-9-A

I am missing what detail in the truck photo violates the standard set configuration.

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: mmab <mmab at cox.net>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2020 11:19 AM
>
>Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.? 
>Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of 
>the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.? I 
>have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but 
>except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna.? 
>Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and 
>construction of the antenna?

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 14 14:33:31 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:33:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver - Get the correct manual
Message-ID: <1661904525.4550.1607974411998@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That radionerds.com link below is to the manual for the SCR-77-A (BC-9).  That set has very significant technical differences from the SCR-77-B (BC-9-A).  But externally the two sets look the same, and use the same LP-2 loop.

I don't believe the manual for the SCR-77-A has a picture of the loop, byt the manual for the SCR-77-B does.  IIRC, Al Klass has the -B manual on his website.  I have no website, but I can email a copy (2 MB) to anyone who needs it.

IIRC, Dave Stinson has a BC-9-A.

Mike / KK5F


-----Original Message-----
>From: MICHAEL BITTNER <mmab at cox.net>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2020 12:19 PM
>
>Thanks Bruce.  Just what I needed.  Mike, W6MAB
>
>
>> On December 14, 2020 at 12:55 PM Bruce MacMillan <wirelessset at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The manual is available on Radio Nerds. It decribes the aerial 
>> construction and dimensions.
>> 
>> https://radionerds.com/images/b/b2/RA_PA-6_1923.pdf
>> 
>> Bruce
>> M0SOE

From wirelessset at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 14 14:45:59 2020
From: wirelessset at hotmail.com (Bruce MacMillan)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:45:59 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver - Get the correct manual
In-Reply-To: <1661904525.4550.1607974411998@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1661904525.4550.1607974411998@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <PR3P195MB06665F2A3E4B147DA4F7262BADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have both manuals and you are correct in that the A version has no 
photo. I have a few photos of the sets but none from the rear.

Bruce
M0SO

On 14/12/2020 19:33, Mike Morrow wrote:
> That radionerds.com link below is to the manual for the SCR-77-A (BC-9).  That set has very significant technical differences from the SCR-77-B (BC-9-A).  But externally the two sets look the same, and use the same LP-2 loop.
>
> I don't believe the manual for the SCR-77-A has a picture of the loop, byt the manual for the SCR-77-B does.  IIRC, Al Klass has the -B manual on his website.  I have no website, but I can email a copy (2 MB) to anyone who needs it.
>
> IIRC, Dave Stinson has a BC-9-A.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
>



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From ark at ar88.net  Sun Dec 13 23:59:02 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 23:59:02 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <97cd6c5a-ccd5-fe48-fa6e-b48bdf519b89@ar88.net>

Gang,

The angle of the antenna elements and the slots is different,

Let's see if this comes through.
Al

On 12/13/2020 9:57 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> I owned a BC-9 many many years ago but considering it impractical to use,
> I sold it. I learned later it can in fact be used, but still not my cup of tea.
> The antenna connectors look just as I remember them. I see Mike's point
> about the more acute angle of the antenna socket. However I am guessing
> the width of the case back plate does not allow antenna sockets at a wider
> angle and still have the length of each necessary to support the antenna.
> Perhaps the antenna elements' ends where it enters the radio, these antenna
> elements have a downward bend near the end? Or am I off base?
> -Hue Miller
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From ark at ar88.net  Mon Dec 14 14:55:54 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
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I have a better pic.? See if attached comes through.

This reflector desperately needs to be updated into the 20th century, 
like embedded photos.? It's easy to do!!

Al

On 12/14/2020 11:19 AM, mmab wrote:
> Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached 
> photo.? Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to 
> the back of the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided 
> there.? I have searched the internet and found many photos of the 
> BC-9A box, but except for the attached photo, I have found none 
> showing the antenna.? Does anyone know of a reference that shows the 
> exact dimensions and construction of the antenna?
>
>
>
>
>
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From mmab at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 15:51:21 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 15:51:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <662807921.4347.1607972991079@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <662807921.4347.1607972991079@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <431496425.11703.1607979081221@myemail.cox.net>

Upon closer examination, the set in the truck photo appears to be the same as the one in the manual from Radionerds and is a BC-9.  Note the relatively shallow angle at which the angled portions of the loop project from the back of the cabinet.  Note the much steeper angle of the loop attachment slots in the attached photo of the back of a BC-9-A. None of the specs show an actual photo or drawing of the actual antenna for a BC-9-A, only the BC-9.  Mike, W6MAB

  
> On December 14, 2020 at 2:09 PM Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> To me, that truck BC-9-A appears configured exactly like the photo of the set as shown in the SCR-77-B Instruction Book (Radio Communications Pamphlet 43, April 1925). 
> 
> The earlier SCR-77-A used the BC-9 (not -A) that has very significant technical differences, but it uses the same loop type LP-2 as the BC-9-A
> 
> I am missing what detail in the truck photo violates the standard set configuration.
> 
> Mike / KK5F
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: mmab <mmab at cox.net>
> >Sent: Dec 14, 2020 11:19 AM
> >
> >Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.? 
> >Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of 
> >the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.? I 
> >have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but 
> >except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna.? 
> >Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and 
> >construction of the antenna?
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 14 17:35:32 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:35:32 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <97cd6c5a-ccd5-fe48-fa6e-b48bdf519b89@ar88.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
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> The angle of the antenna elements and the slots is different,

Yeah...  I was thinking, the angle of the slots on the back, and the 
ultimate top width, and how that is reached, may have little to do with 
each other.

This certainly proves it.

Kurt


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 14 17:42:06 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:42:06 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <9b9b93e0-eeaa-6fec-79b1-d1714d5b04c9@ar88.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
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Great photo, Al, big thanks!
I was wondering how I would have designed the loop. 
If you placed the two slots on the back of the radio, slot horizontal instead of 
vertically directed, and one above the other, instead of side by side,  you could
dispense with the special bend in the antenna sections, but the antenna form
would then be somewhat unsymmetric. But it wouldn't be so unsymmetric as
to weaken it structurally. -Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 14 17:46:05 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <9b9b93e0-eeaa-6fec-79b1-d1714d5b04c9@ar88.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
	<9b9b93e0-eeaa-6fec-79b1-d1714d5b04c9@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026998E6F1148566E88CBE99E4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Al, a somewhat fun project would be to scale the antenna from known dimensions in the photo. 
Due to vision angle, vanishing point and all that, some correction and some inaccuracy would 
creep in, but it would be minor. -Hue Miller 

From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Dec 14 17:56:08 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269BB215401D9D0118F267AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>	<9b9b93e0-eeaa-6fec-79b1-d1714d5b04c9@ar88.net>
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Message-ID: <01f301d6d26c$4fce0110$ef6a0330$@eozinc.com>

Just keep in mind that the antenna is also the resonant output tank circuit,
and the input L for the receiver. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 5:42 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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Great photo, Al, big thanks!

I was wondering how I would have designed the loop. 

If you placed the two slots on the back of the radio, slot horizontal
instead of vertically directed, and one above the other, instead of side by
side,  you could dispense with the special bend in the antenna sections, but
the antenna form would then be somewhat unsymmetric. But it wouldn't be so
unsymmetric as to weaken it structurally. -Hue Miller
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From mmab at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 18:12:08 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 18:12:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <9b9b93e0-eeaa-6fec-79b1-d1714d5b04c9@ar88.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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Ah ha, first photo I've seen of the back of the BC-9-A with loop antenna installed.  So the angled elements are bent in the 9-A.  Thanks Al.  Mike, W6MAB



> On December 14, 2020 at 2:55 PM Al Klase <ark at ar88.net> wrote:
> 
>     I have a better pic.  See if attached comes through.
> 
>     This reflector desperately needs to be updated into the 20th century, like embedded photos.  It's easy to do!!
> 
>     Al
> 
>     On 12/14/2020 11:19 AM, mmab wrote:
> 
>         > > Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.  Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.  I have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna.  Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and construction of the antenna?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 14 18:44:07 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 18:44:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
Message-ID: <1082396027.6606.1607989447952@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Where's what I see:

Radio Pamplet 6, Jan 1923 for SCR-77-A (BC-9)
- NO photo showing its loop LP-2, nor its installation on the BC-9.

Radio Pamplet 43, Apr 1925 for SCR-77-B (BC-9-A)
- Figure 5 shows loop LP-2 installed on the BC-9-A.  The loop profile is identical to that shown in the old truck photo.

Neither of these manuals show the back side of either set with loop installed.  It is reasonable to expect that mechanical mounting details are identical for BC-9 and BC-9-A, since BOTH use the same LP-2 loop.  Your photo of the backside of your BC-9-A would obviously create a much more acute angle between the two lower loop sections, UNLESS there was a bend in the loop tubing immediately outside the loop attachment fixture on the back of the radio set.

All I can say is that the tubing configuration of the loop shown on the truck appears identical to the LP-2 loop and BX-9-A that is Figure 5 in SCR-77-B Radio Pamphlet No. 43.

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: MICHAEL BITTNER <mmab at cox.net>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2020 3:51 PM
>To: Mike Morrow <kk5f at arrl.net>, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
>
>Upon closer examination, the set in the truck photo appears to be the same as the one in the manual from Radionerds and is a BC-9.  Note the relatively shallow angle at which the angled portions of the loop project from the back of the cabinet.  Note the much steeper angle of the loop attachment slots in the attached photo of the back of a BC-9-A. None of the specs show an actual photo or drawing of the actual antenna for a BC-9-A, only the BC-9.  Mike, W6MAB
>
>  
>> On December 14, 2020 at 2:09 PM Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> To me, that truck BC-9-A appears configured exactly like the photo of the set as shown in the SCR-77-B Instruction Book (Radio Communications Pamphlet 43, April 1925). 
>> 
>> The earlier SCR-77-A used the BC-9 (not -A) that has very significant technical differences, but it uses the same loop type LP-2 as the BC-9-A
>> 
>> I am missing what detail in the truck photo violates the standard set configuration.
>> 
>> Mike / KK5F
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: mmab <mmab at cox.net>
>> >Sent: Dec 14, 2020 11:19 AM
>> >
>> >Thanks to those who responded to my question about the attached photo.? 
>> >Yes, it must be a BC-9A and the loop sections that attach to the back of 
>> >the set must be bent downward to fit in the slots provided there.? I 
>> >have searched the internet and found many photos of the BC-9A box, but 
>> >except for the attached photo, I have found none showing the antenna.? 
>> >Does anyone know of a reference that shows the exact dimensions and 
>> >construction of the antenna?

From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Mon Dec 14 19:24:07 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:24:07 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver - Get the correct manual
In-Reply-To: <PR3P195MB06665F2A3E4B147DA4F7262BADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1661904525.4550.1607974411998@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,
	<PR3P195MB06665F2A3E4B147DA4F7262BADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5FD80227.30854.1BE382D@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

Why have none of you picked up on the fact that Dave Sinson has a BC-9 on the air? He had 
a long discussion on this rig some time back on the ARC-5 list.

Ken W7EKB

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Dec 14 19:27:35 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:27:35 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver - Get the correct manual
In-Reply-To: <5FD80227.30854.1BE382D@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <1661904525.4550.1607974411998@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, 
	<PR3P195MB06665F2A3E4B147DA4F7262BADC70@PR3P195MB0666.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<5FD80227.30854.1BE382D@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026964D75B590C66B6947C34E4C60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, there was lots of discussion of the circuit, and his on air results, but I don't recall that he found 
an original loop antenna.  

BTW, Tony Grogan many many years back told me he found a loop for the BC-148 / SCR-131 radio
local. He said the people were using it as a laundry hanger in the basement. 
-Hue Miller 

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 14 21:07:02 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:07:02 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
Message-ID: <41b6b782-636a-8846-8060-fe0e3eeffd70@ix.netcom.com>

Sorry, Gents.
Most of the world seems to have had me by
the hair at one time or another today.

Yes; I do have a BC-9A restored and it has made
many on-the-air contacts.? I have the battery
box now and plans to build a decent power supply
in there.?? Plans- you know: those things
best-laid "Of Mice and Men."

Before:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hauczWNbLEoebPSy5
After:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BQFn2rUS3KmXzz3U8
(Yes- the unit marking for 2nd Battalion,
12th Infantry did look just like that.)
(Something cool:? My dad was 12th Infantry.)

I don't have the original antenna.? I made one of
copper pipe (expensive!).? Measured the case
dimensions, compared that to the photos of
the rig and antenna, extrapolated the lengths
of the antenna elements from that standard
and it came out pretty close.? To get the rig
to operate down on 80 meters, IIRC I had to
add about 10 inches to each side of the vertical
elements.? Yes- I made a mess of trying to bend
the ends of the loop to fit the antenna sockets.
Maybe I'll actually get to fix that one day.

Used it on 80M CW with good success by
subbing a tank coil with link-coupling to the
antenna.? An external tank can take the rig
down to 160 or up to 40, though it gets
a little "hinky" up there.? Maybe the air
gets too thin for it.
All the power supply voltages
were regulated, so no chirp or significant
drift, which surprised me.? 3W out.
Worked a bunch of folks.

Don't discount the loop.? One morning, I set the
rig up on my kitchen table with the loop.? I called
one of our members, Ronnie Hull, W5SUM, who
is about 200 miles east of me, and we had a nice
CW QSO with the BC-9A on the loop.? That was cool.
Photo of that set-up:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PhWZWxscmKNa5LB8

Lots more photos taken during the restoration and
a couple of videos of it in operation at:

https://goo.gl/photos/1gM2VvHFYUxrWL316

By the way- Mike is correct about the SCR-77
and SCR-77A: they are very different circuits
and different in operation.? Just to make it
confusing, the SCR-77A manual covers the
BC-9 and the SCR-77B manual covers the
BC-9A.? I've never seen a BC-9 that had
not been reworked into a 9B, but one
never knows.
Much more to tell but other tasks are
yanking my hair again.

If anyone else ever gets serious about reviving
one of these, get with me.? Lots of "hints and
kinks" for the task.

GL OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S







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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 14 21:09:57 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:09:57 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Transceiver
In-Reply-To: <41b6b782-636a-8846-8060-fe0e3eeffd70@ix.netcom.com>
References: <9bfd35ce-fcd6-db04-6382-4b1f080d885d@cox.net>
	<MWHPR22MB0269274F611A35D13AB6AB4AE4C70@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<e51e3b40-5f7b-42dc-fce5-919297e5b7f5@cox.net>
	<41b6b782-636a-8846-8060-fe0e3eeffd70@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <17ee2e36-0054-01ae-f11f-a31baf8aa230@ix.netcom.com>

P.S. Mine is the 1921 set by Wireless Improvement Co.
I filed photos of other BC-9s in that album for reference.
As I said then:? There's something awesome about
using a radio approved by Gen. "Black Jack" Pershing.



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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Dec 15 01:35:32 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:35:32 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "Valley of Tears"
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269AB8A186E8E9457BA0E7CE4C60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I took this snip from a trailer for an Israel TV series about the 1973 Yom Kippur war,
"Valley of Tears". An Israeli communications van. Looks real but we shall see - later.
There's some scenes where a nerd-type youth apparently somehow picks up Syrian -
Egyptian communications and warns of the upcoming surprise attack - I wonder what
kind of equipment he used, or is portrayed using - and supposedly this is actual
history, no fabrications.
It's only available, for now, on HBO Max, which I am not going to pay for. I can wait;
DVD will eventually be available or will "leak" out.
Israel lost 2,700 out of 3 millions population. Scale that up for comparison.  177 tanks
versus 1600. Series has been praised as much more "international appearing" than a
small country's work. I post this at risk of arousing irate anti-Israel riposte, but even
those souls could possibly appreciate this as purely a "war movie" couched naturally
from the view of the creators' home.
-Hue Miller

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From holden7471 at msn.com  Tue Dec 15 02:08:05 2020
From: holden7471 at msn.com (howard holden)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:08:05 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "Valley of Tears"
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I?d think this was a Quonset hut rather than a van. The rounded contour, and the lights casually mounted along the overhead area. Also looks no one is wearing headphones. Unusual, at least in my experience in a multi-receiver setup.
No HBO or Max here?..

73, Howie WB2AWQ

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From: Hubert Miller<mailto:Kargo_cult at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 10:35 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net<mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>; main at Army-Radios.groups.io<mailto:main at army-radios.groups.io>
Subject: [Milsurplus] "Valley of Tears"

I took this snip from a trailer for an Israel TV series about the 1973 Yom Kippur war,
"Valley of Tears". An Israeli communications van. Looks real but we shall see ? later.
There's some scenes where a nerd-type youth apparently somehow picks up Syrian ?
Egyptian communications and warns of the upcoming surprise attack ? I wonder what
kind of equipment he used, or is portrayed using ? and supposedly this is actual
history, no fabrications.
It's only available, for now, on HBO Max, which I am not going to pay for. I can wait;
DVD will eventually be available or will "leak" out.
Israel lost 2,700 out of 3 millions population. Scale that up for comparison.  177 tanks
versus 1600. Series has been praised as much more "international appearing" than a
small country's work. I post this at risk of arousing irate anti-Israel riposte, but even
those souls could possibly appreciate this as purely a "war movie" couched naturally
from the view of the creators' home.
-Hue Miller

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From ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com  Tue Dec 15 21:08:46 2020
From: ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com (Steven Syrotynski)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Emergency Radio Room
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Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766 
here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that 
was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what 
equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS 
set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any 
ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be 
greatly appreciated,

Steve

W2TRH


From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Wed Dec 16 10:52:48 2020
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 15:52:48 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Emergency Radio Room
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Nicks US Navy Communications pages are the best source for pictures and information. If you contact him directly would imagine he will help you out.
Start at:
http://www.navy-radio.com/ship.htm
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 11:14:50 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 11:14:50 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Emergency Radio Room
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According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL receivers.
I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
wrote:

> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
> greatly appreciated,
>
> Steve
>
> W2TRH
>
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From pfthekan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 11:36:56 2020
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:36:56 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Emergency Radio Room
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Maybe a TCZ could squeeze in the available space along with a RBB & RBC or
RAK & RAL. At least a 100 watts out with the TCZ.
Paul
N6FEG

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 8:17 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> receivers. I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>> greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 16 13:42:09 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:42:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
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> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> receivers.
> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>> greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 16 13:42:09 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:42:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
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> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> receivers.
> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>> greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 16 13:42:09 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:42:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
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	<CAB55hNcYJmPvoyCBrksam94GYd9XxKG-AJfZLGPdwTp=W32jXA@mail.gmail.com>
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> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> receivers.
> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>> greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 16 13:42:10 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:42:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
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> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> receivers.
> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>> greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 16 13:42:10 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:42:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
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> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> receivers.
> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>> greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
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From w8au at sssnet.com  Wed Dec 16 13:56:01 2020
From: w8au at sssnet.com (w8au at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:56:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
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Please excuse all the repeats of Nick's answer. Don't know how that
happened as I was just
reading the mail...not sending it.

Perry   W8AU

>> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
>> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
>> receivers.
>> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
>> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
>> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski
>> <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater
>>> DE-766
>>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>>> greatly appreciated,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> W2TRH
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Milsurplus mailing list
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From farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 14:01:50 2020
From: farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com (Rob Flory)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:01:50 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 200, Issue 34
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Guys please trim your posts
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> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:36:56 -0800
> From: Paul Thekan <pfthekan at gmail.com>
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> Maybe a TCZ could squeeze in the available space along with a RBB & RBC or
> RAK & RAL. At least a 100 watts out with the TCZ.
> Paul
> N6FEG
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 8:17 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> > A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> > receivers. I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> > Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> > important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
> >> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
> >> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
> >> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
> >> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
> >> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
> >> greatly appreciated,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> W2TRH
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> > According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> > A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> > receivers.
> > I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> > Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> > important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
> >> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
> >> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
> >> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
> >> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
> >> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
> >> greatly appreciated,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> W2TRH
> >>
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> From: w8au at sssnet.com
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> > According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> > A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> > receivers.
> > I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> > Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> > important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
> >> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
> >> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
> >> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
> >> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
> >> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
> >> greatly appreciated,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> W2TRH
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> > According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> > A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> > receivers.
> > I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> > Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> > important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
> >> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
> >> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
> >> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
> >> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
> >> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
> >> greatly appreciated,
> >>
> >> Steve
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> >> W2TRH
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> > According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
> > A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
> > receivers.
> > I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
> > Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
> > important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
> >
> > Nick England K4NYW
> > www.navy-radio.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater DE-766
> >> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
> >> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
> >> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
> >> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
> >> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
> >> greatly appreciated,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> W2TRH
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From ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com  Wed Dec 16 19:40:46 2020
From: ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com (Steven Syrotynski)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 19:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Emergency Radio Room
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Thank you for your reply's, I'll post two picture of the room in 
question when i am back onboard this Saturday. I'll ask our director 
what some of the? former DE guy's that we have had the privilege of 
having on board in the past have said about that room. The last one was 
a radio man on anouther DE, i'll also post what ship that was as well, 
thank you again and take care,

Steve

w2trh

On 12/16/2020 11:36 AM, Paul Thekan wrote:
> Maybe a TCZ could squeeze in the available space along with a RBB & 
> RBC or RAK & RAL. At least a 100 watts out with the TCZ.
> Paul
> N6FEG
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 8:17 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
>     <http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm>
>     A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL
>     receivers. I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like
>     Slater.
>     Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability
>     would be important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in
>     a TCS.
>
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
>
>
>     On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski
>     <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com <mailto:ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>         Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS
>         Slater DE-766
>         here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a
>         room that
>         was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record
>         of what
>         equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something
>         like TCS
>         set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers
>         . Any
>         ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that
>         would be
>         greatly appreciated,
>
>         Steve
>
>         W2TRH
>
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From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Wed Dec 16 20:02:10 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 20:02:10 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
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Having a CND-20131 which had not been "hammified" I decided to restore 
it to original and see if it worked as intended, having doubts about the 
876 ballast resistor and 3 mfd filter capacitors.? I replaced two 
non-functioning toggle switches, aged carbon resistors, and not having a 
good 874 voltage regulator, made an octal to four pin adapter, and not 
having a good 874 used an OC3/VR105 which was close enough, not having 
an OB3/VR90.

The power transformer has low voltage taps for the ballast tube labeled 
110, 115, and 120 volts, and full voltage taps marked 100, 115 and 120 
volts for direct line voltage connection.? The ballast resistor is in 
series with an 80 Ohm 200 Watt resistor connected across the line, and 
the power transformer is connected across the 80 Ohm resistor.? Theory 
is, as line voltage varies, the ballast resistor resistance will vary, 
maintaining constant voltage to the transformer. The ballast resistor is 
rated 1.7 Amps, 40-60 Volts.

First, I ran a curve on the ballast resistor + 80 Ohm resistor with no 
load on the power transformer, (5Z3 rectifier removed) and found no 
regulation.

_Vin_ _V80 Ohm resistor_

90???????????????? 79.5

100?????????????? 87.3

110?????????????? 95.0

120???????????? 101.9

130???????????? 107.5

Next I ran a curve with the direct connection with the 120 volt tap, and 
found about a 200 cycle frequency shift in the RAL over 90 to 130 volts 
which I find perfectly acceptable.? This was due to a one volt shift in 
the OC3 regulator.

_Vin_ _B+_ _Vv reg._ _Iv reg. ma._

90?????? 153.6????? 105.4?????? 15

100???? 174???????? 105.6??? ?? 22

110???? 189.5????? 105.7?????? 27

120???? 207???????? 106???????? 32.5

130???? 224???????? 106.4????? 37.9

Next was with the 876 ballast tube resistor in service.? There was no 
frequency shift from 90 to 130 volts.? Note the regulation.

_Vin _ _B+_ _Vtransformer pri._ _Vreg _ _Ireg. ma._

90?????? 225???????????????? 69.5?????????????? 106.3?????? 38.2

100???? 238???????????????? 74.5?????????????? 106.7?????? 42.3

110???? 251???????????????? 78.4?????????????? 106.7??? ?? 46.5

120???? 257???????????????? 81.3?????????????? 106.8?????? 47.8

125???? 255???????????????? 80.9?????????????? 106.8?????? 47.8

130???? 254???????????????? 81.0?????????????? 106.8?????? 47.4

This raises an interesting design point:? These VR currents are insane 
to regulate a one mill 90 volt load, but serve to heavily load the power 
supply to get within the regulating current range of the 876 ballast 
tube.? Note that the ballast tube and resistor are always connected when 
the power supply is on whether you are using them or not. so if not, 
remove or unscrew the tube to break contact to avoid heating the room 
and running the power bill up.

About the two section filter: Back in the 1930's electrolytic capacitors 
lasted about five years, so any equipment expected to be reliable didn't 
use them, hence the RAK, RAL, and power supply didn't use them.? The 
power transformer is rated 500 volts center tapped, so the capacitors 
could charge up to 350 volts which is a long way from 180, but with an 
input capacitor of 3 mfd regulation will be terrible, and is thus OK.? 
There is a curious tap on the input choke, which I think makes a 120 
cycle series tuned trap, as ripple voltage is only 30 mv, which is 
undetectable in the receiver.

Also note the high B+ voltages.? These sets were never operated at 180 
volts. (well, maybe sometimes on batteries?)? The trouble shooting data 
all show tube socket voltages above 180 volts.

Why did they do it this way?? I suspect some large egos were involved, 
and some unqualified people made decisions.? To cover their tracks they 
said the RAK was OK with the direct connection, but the RAL should 
always use the ballast tube.

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec 16 20:12:49 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 01:12:49 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
In-Reply-To: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
References: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026925D1536C7B9CB5207F28E4C40@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Richard, as usual, very good work by test & analysis department. 
I think those results are worth printing and keeping with the manual. 
I would suggest you state the operating frequency when you noted the 200 Hz shift.
I recall a Youtube video of an RAL operating and you could hear a slight frequency 
jumping going on. 
Yes the B+ numbers you give are surprisingly high. I would be inclined to run it at
lower B+ and also maybe transistor regulate the osc. B+. 

I promised a local fellow to sell my RAL with ACPS but you know what, I have been
selling off a lot of other gear, and I'm thinking maybe I will have the physical and 
mental space to keep the RAL after all. 
-Hue Miller 

From cliff52 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 09:42:42 2020
From: cliff52 at gmail.com (Cliff Miller)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:42:42 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
In-Reply-To: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
References: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAP0wULxoNN5iTDnd30dMH0HYu414sNvrHCEUJbLwgrP+3MsSrg@mail.gmail.com>

Having recently obtained an RAL and CND-20131 Power Unit myself, I couldn't
find your post more timely.  Thanks, Richard for sharing your data.

My testing revealed much the same information except my ballast tube /
power resistor arppear shorted) so the output voltages when I first checked
were out the roof - the ballast circuit is made to yield 60 volts or so to
those transformer windings and they were getting the full 120V so output
was twice intended - thankfully I had ordered some power resistors to load
the disconnected power supply so I didn't put that on the receiver.

With the supply switched to not use the ballast circuit AND the ballast
tube and resistor removed, I still get 220 volts DC and higher rather than
180-185 which the manual would suggest is correct.  The screen voltage
output is correct at 90 volts so the regulator is working.  I tested with
4K, 8K, 12K, and 16K power resistors as dummy loads.

All the above with 125 volt AC input as 120vac is uncommon these days.

So, okay to attach my RAL at 220 -240 VDC?  She does appear to be a tough
old bird.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 8:02 PM Richard <brunneraa1p at comcast.net> wrote:

> Having a CND-20131 which had not been "hammified" I decided to restore it
> to original and see if it worked as intended, having doubts about the 876
> ballast resistor and 3 mfd filter capacitors.  I replaced two
> non-functioning toggle switches, aged carbon resistors, and not having a
> good 874 voltage regulator, made an octal to four pin adapter, and not
> having a good 874 used an OC3/VR105 which was close enough, not having an
> OB3/VR90.
>
> The power transformer has low voltage taps for the ballast tube labeled
> 110, 115, and 120 volts, and full voltage taps marked 100, 115 and 120
> volts for direct line voltage connection.  The ballast resistor is in
> series with an 80 Ohm 200 Watt resistor connected across the line, and the
> power transformer is connected across the 80 Ohm resistor.  Theory is, as
> line voltage varies, the ballast resistor resistance will vary, maintaining
> constant voltage to the transformer. The ballast resistor is rated 1.7
> Amps, 40-60 Volts.
>
> First, I ran a curve on the ballast resistor + 80 Ohm resistor with no
> load on the power transformer, (5Z3 rectifier removed) and found no
> regulation.
>
> *Vin*           *V80 Ohm resistor*
>
> 90                 79.5
>
> 100               87.3
>
> 110               95.0
>
> 120             101.9
>
> 130             107.5
>
> Next I ran a curve with the direct connection with the 120 volt tap, and
> found about a 200 cycle frequency shift in the RAL over 90 to 130 volts
> which I find perfectly acceptable.  This was due to a one volt shift in the
> OC3 regulator.
>
> *Vin*       *B+*      *Vv reg.*    *Iv reg. ma.*
>
> 90       153.6      105.4       15
>
> 100     174         105.6       22
>
> 110     189.5      105.7       27
>
> 120     207         106         32.5
>
> 130     224         106.4      37.9
>
> Next was with the 876 ballast tube resistor in service.  There was no
> frequency shift from 90 to 130 volts.  Note the regulation.
>
> *Vin *      *B+*        *Vtransformer pri.*   *Vreg *    *Ireg. ma.*
>
> 90       225                 69.5               106.3       38.2
>
> 100     238                 74.5               106.7       42.3
>
> 110     251                 78.4               106.7       46.5
>
> 120     257                 81.3               106.8       47.8
>
> 125     255                 80.9               106.8       47.8
>
> 130     254                 81.0               106.8       47.4
>
> This raises an interesting design point:  These VR currents are insane to
> regulate a one mill 90 volt load, but serve to heavily load the power
> supply to get within the regulating current range of the 876 ballast tube.
> Note that the ballast tube and resistor are always connected when the power
> supply is on whether you are using them or not. so if not, remove or
> unscrew the tube to break contact to avoid heating the room and running the
> power bill up.
>
> About the two section filter: Back in the 1930's electrolytic capacitors
> lasted about five years, so any equipment expected to be reliable didn't
> use them, hence the RAK, RAL, and power supply didn't use them.  The power
> transformer is rated 500 volts center tapped, so the capacitors could
> charge up to 350 volts which is a long way from 180, but with an input
> capacitor of 3 mfd regulation will be terrible, and is thus OK.  There is a
> curious tap on the input choke, which I think makes a 120 cycle series
> tuned trap, as ripple voltage is only 30 mv, which is undetectable in the
> receiver.
>
> Also note the high B+ voltages.  These sets were never operated at 180
> volts. (well, maybe sometimes on batteries?)  The trouble shooting data all
> show tube socket voltages above 180 volts.
>
> Why did they do it this way?  I suspect some large egos were involved, and
> some unqualified people made decisions.  To cover their tracks they said
> the RAK was OK with the direct connection, but the RAL should always use
> the ballast tube.
>
> Richard, AA1P
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 17 11:06:07 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:06:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAK/RAL
References: <1984628747.1041539.1608221167449.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1984628747.1041539.1608221167449@mail.yahoo.com>

My first RAK, I had to build a power supply for it, and combined the PS with an audio amp.  I used a 5651, an 87 volt regulator for the 90 volt line, as I had no VR90 in the junk box.  Maybe with a full test of the receiver with 90 volts supplied by the PS or not, since R115 in the detector is feeding B+ into that 90 volt line and you read about that with no 90 volt PS connection, you could see exactly what regulated 90 is actually doing.  My RAL I had the proper AC supply which cleaned up nicely and had the proper rectifier and ballast, but recently traded that as part of a deal for an ART13.  All the  1uf caps were bad in that RAL.  Speaking of bad caps, I just finished a TCS receiver where every coupling cap was bad, all but one fixed value cap in the HFO section. and all low volts bypass cap, and about 6 resistors, but all the HV bypass can caps were good.  Spec. sens is 15uv, after this work, mine is running about 1uv and I haven't aligned it yet.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Thu Dec 17 11:23:22 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 11:23:22 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
In-Reply-To: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
References: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c499a6bf-468d-5d2c-a9ef-b1fd0f32ac96@comcast.net>


_Addendum_:

The frequency shift test was at 7 Mc.? After some thought I ran it again 
at 7 Mc and 21 Mc with 120 ? 10 volts, in conformance with the manual.? 
This is more than reasonable, as line voltage will never vary from 90 to 
130 volts.

Direct connection: 7 Mc. no shift?? 21 MC. approx 300 cycles shift.

With ballast tube:? 7 and 21 Mc. no shift.

Conclusion: No change.? An occasional slight warble at 21 Mc. is I think 
acceptable.

AC line current:? Direct connection 0.44 Amp.? With ballast tube 1.78 Amps.

Richard, AA1P

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From rhogan3 at comcast.net  Thu Dec 17 21:00:33 2020
From: rhogan3 at comcast.net (Joseph R. Hogan)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:00:33 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Admin: Milsurplus Email size limit and holiday wishes
Message-ID: <3o5ccdg5r3a4frwhhibk8m4b.1608256833939@email.android.com>

Just a friendly reminder to all subscribers.
This list has a limit of 300 Kbytes per email. 
Please check the size of any attachments before sending. 
I've had a rash of way over the size limit emails I have had to reject lately.

I really appreciate all of the great post, help and camaraderie. 
Too many forums turn into flame wars. All of you guys and gals are fantastic!

I hope everyone has a great holiday season.
Hopefully 2021 will be a much better year.
Be safe out there.

Ralph W4XE
Milsurplus Administrator

From sestokes at sonic.net  Thu Dec 17 21:47:31 2020
From: sestokes at sonic.net (Hole in the Head Press)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:47:31 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Unknown Antenna Base
Message-ID: <1f12aae5-ab81-b1b5-afc8-7a1576503593@sonic.net>

Can anybody identify this antenna base?

Think it's from a 1950's MARS station at Fort Scott,
but NPS would like to further identify the maker, possible
era, etc.

Thanks

-- 
Sam Stokes, Publisher,  KG6XYZ
http://www.holeintheheadpress.com
3rd Edition of Rings of Supersonic Steel
To Defend and Deter
The Last Missile Site
Sutro's Glass Palace
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Fri Dec 18 09:20:23 2020
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 14:20:23 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Admin: Milsurplus Email size limit and holiday
 wishes
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Message-ID: <40494e62378a4932abfd36a0f5e1d704@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

Is this limit adjustable? That number might have been right 10 years ago, but today it seems a tad anachronistic. 
Eugene


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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:01 PM
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Cc: rhogan3 at comcast net <rhogan3 at comcast.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] Admin: Milsurplus Email size limit and holiday wishes

Just a friendly reminder to all subscribers.
This list has a limit of 300 Kbytes per email. 
Please check the size of any attachments before sending. 
I've had a rash of way over the size limit emails I have had to reject lately.

I really appreciate all of the great post, help and camaraderie. 
Too many forums turn into flame wars. All of you guys and gals are fantastic!

I hope everyone has a great holiday season.
Hopefully 2021 will be a much better year.
Be safe out there.

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From eckertkp at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 15:52:22 2020
From: eckertkp at gmail.com (Ken Eckert)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 12:52:22 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] FE-5440A TD-1251/U manual T.O. 49B3-36-2
Message-ID: <CADqJzk8FQ5cgvgQLrbub5p88omzgE+e+5BE71hc1ZzAs1o3QUA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello;

I have a TD-1251/U USAF version of the FE-5440A Master clock. I have a
photocopy of the manual however there are four errors:

- Page 8-7 Fig 8-2 Sheet 2 of 2
- Page 8-31 Fig 8-10 3 of 3
- Page 8-69 Fig 8-22
- Page 8-75 Fig 8-24 Sheet 2 of 3

Can anyone help fill those in with a paper copy or scan?

Also there is an OP manual T.O. 49B3-36-1 which I do not have.

Thanks!
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From rhogan3 at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 22:00:46 2020
From: rhogan3 at comcast.net (Joseph R. Hogan)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 21:00:46 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Admin: Milsurplus Email size limit and holiday
	wishes
Message-ID: <ggygyu1pd0u39a48gorgsogt.1608346200389@email.android.com>

Eugene,
It may seem small on an individual basis. With nearly 600 subscribers thats 180 Megabytes per message through our gracious host server. But I hear you. I have increased it to half a megabyte.

Ralph

On December 18, 2020, at 8:20 AM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:

Is this limit adjustable? That number might have been right 10 years ago, but today it seems a tad anachronistic. 
Eugene


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:01 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman qth. net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: rhogan3 at comcast net <rhogan3 at comcast.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] Admin: Milsurplus Email size limit and holiday wishes

Just a friendly reminder to all subscribers.
This list has a limit of 300 Kbytes per email. 
Please check the size of any attachments before sending. 
I've had a rash of way over the size limit emails I have had to reject lately.

I really appreciate all of the great post, help and camaraderie. 
Too many forums turn into flame wars. All of you guys and gals are fantastic!

I hope everyone has a great holiday season.
Hopefully 2021 will be a much better year.
Be safe out there.

Ralph W4XE
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Dec 19 07:43:36 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 06:43:36 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Admin: Milsurplus Email size limit and holiday
 wishes
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References: <ggygyu1pd0u39a48gorgsogt.1608346200389@email.android.com>
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Thank you, Ralph, for that and your ongoing efforts
for our community.
73 OM DE Dave AB5S

On 12/18/2020 9:00 PM, Joseph R. Hogan wrote:
> Eugene,
> It may seem small on an individual basis. With nearly 600 subscribers thats 180 Megabytes per message through our gracious host server. But I hear you. I have increased it to half a megabyte.
>

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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 09:56:17 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:56:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Reactive antenna load
References: <441434449.1550757.1608476177329.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <441434449.1550757.1608476177329@mail.yahoo.com>

Instead of a 50 ohm dummy load, has anybody built a dummy reactive load to test the tuning capabilities on their milsurp TX that has an output circuit that can adapt to just about anything?  

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Dec 20 12:37:54 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:37:54 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-942 VHF Receiver
Message-ID: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>

SCR-274N had a VHF variant- SCR-274N VHF.
They look just like the ARC-5 VHF R-28 and T-23,
because those sets were born from the
SCR-274N VHF.
The 274N transmitter is the BC-950.
The 274N VHF receiver is the BC-942.

About a thousand of the 274N VHF sets were
produced.? The majority of them were reworked
into AN/ARC-5 sets.? While the transmitters
underwent major circuit changes, most of the
receivers got only a new nomenclature plate.
One can still find T-950 transmitters with their
original plates.
You can find BC-942 receivers, but not with
their original plate.? There are several "tells"
which authenticate a BC-942 receiver, but
all of them I've ever seen had their plates
changed to AN/ARC-5 R-28.

I have built the SCR-274N VHF set and am
missing only the nomenclature plate for
the Receiver, BC-942.? It should be a
Western Electric - make plate.
If you have one of these VHF receivers,
please take a moment to look at the plate.
If there is one still out there, I'd be very
happy to receive a photo of it.

Merry Christmas to all,
Dave AB5S



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From old_radio at aol.com  Sun Dec 20 13:13:26 2020
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:13:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Reactive antenna load
In-Reply-To: <441434449.1550757.1608476177329@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <441434449.1550757.1608476177329.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<441434449.1550757.1608476177329@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1506019780.1747592.1608488006896@mail.yahoo.com>

Something like the DA-43/U Dummy?Load Wattmeter?? There is one on eBay, item #?164550793897.Jim

I wonder why people argue over the 10% of their differences and ignore the 90% they agree on?

-----Original Message-----
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To: Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2020 8:56 am
Subject: [Milsurplus] Reactive antenna load

Instead of a 50 ohm dummy load, has anybody built a dummy reactive load to test the tuning capabilities on their milsurp TX that has an output circuit that can adapt to just about anything?? 

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From frledda at att.net  Sun Dec 20 14:09:49 2020
From: frledda at att.net (Francesco Ledda)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:09:49 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] Reactive antenna load
In-Reply-To: <1506019780.1747592.1608488006896@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1506019780.1747592.1608488006896@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D705F6C-815B-480F-9EFD-366D9FB2BDB3@att.net>

Collins had/has complex loads to exercise antenna couplers to their tuning extremes. There was one for their 180R series couplers and for the 490Ts. I believe to be the 172H-x. 

I have one of these and use them to check out/repair couplers.

Best, Francesco K5URG



Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 20, 2020, at 12:13, Jim Whartenby via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Something like the DA-43/U Dummy Load Wattmeter?  There is one on eBay, item # 164550793897.
> Jim
> 
> I wonder why people argue over the 10% of their differences and ignore the 90% they agree on?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CL in NC via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2020 8:56 am
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Reactive antenna load
> 
> Instead of a 50 ohm dummy load, has anybody built a dummy reactive load to test the tuning capabilities on their milsurp TX that has an output circuit that can adapt to just about anything?  
> 
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Sun Dec 20 16:15:11 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fwd: Re:  Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
In-Reply-To: <cdfdb6c4-79ae-8ebc-d920-fe9c46877826@comcast.net>
References: <cdfdb6c4-79ae-8ebc-d920-fe9c46877826@comcast.net>
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Addendum #2.

Just got done testing with choke input filter with interesting results:

110 vac??? 150.9 vdc

115?????????? 157.1

120?????????? 162.6

125?????????? 170.6

130?????????? 171.2

Ripple voltage is a few milivolts - hard to measure.

Looks useful to me; 163-171 volts is close enough to 180, and works very 
well.? Varying voltage has little effect on output.? I cut back the 
current through the VR tube to 10 ma. so now the load isn't enough to 
get under Ballast tube regulation, but who needs it?? The capacitors 
test very good, so the original arrangement is also perfectly viable.? I 
had a hard time sorting out the capacitor leads. Yes, I know they're 
color coded, but after 70 years they all look alike.

Richard, AA1P

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From ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com  Sun Dec 20 20:16:13 2020
From: ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com (Steven Syrotynski)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 20:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] WW2 Navy TBL Part
Message-ID: <ace1a804-da42-5ac2-914d-0230c4c81a31@nycap.rr.com>


Good Evening All, looking for a Westinghouse DC volt meter like the one 
in the e-bay ad below but in a 0-400 volt dc range. It is for the TBL 
modulator we have on boarded the USS Slater here in albany n.y thank you 
for your time and i will be happy to pay via paypal or what ever you prefer,

Steve

W2TRH


https://www.ebay.com/itm/0-500V-DC-Analog-Panel-Meter-Voltmeter-Westinghouse-88mm/193637958851?hash=item2d15b8c4c3:g:HHEAAOSwCl9fRo6O


From eckertkp at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 20:44:51 2020
From: eckertkp at gmail.com (Ken Eckert)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:44:51 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] FEI FE-5440A manual TD-1251/U TO 49B3-36-2
Message-ID: <CADqJzk8-7=57Kjy6rs0NDSNpuKG1=sPcM0AFRzgP6DFboQjTYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi;

Looking for soft copy (or at least) Page 8-7 of the schematics.Hard copy
scan, photo paper of 8-7 would be fantastic.

If anyone has a copy of the TO 49B3-36-1 OP manual that'd be great!

Thanks!
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From wa5cab at cs.com  Mon Dec 21 01:09:17 2020
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 00:09:17 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] BC-942 VHF Receiver
In-Reply-To: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>
References: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <00f101d6d75f$d1325510$7396ff30$@com>

Dave,

I did once have a BC-950 as well as one that had been a BC-950 but got converted.  However, I've never that I know of had a BC-942.  Do you happen to know whether or not the BC-942's that got converted to R-28/ARC-5 kept their original serial numbers?

Robert Downs

-----Original Message-----
From: arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Stinson
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:38
To: ARC-5; milsurplus at mailman
Subject: [ARC5] BC-942 VHF Receiver

SCR-274N had a VHF variant- SCR-274N VHF.
They look just like the ARC-5 VHF R-28 and T-23, because those sets were born from the SCR-274N VHF.
The 274N transmitter is the BC-950.
The 274N VHF receiver is the BC-942.

About a thousand of the 274N VHF sets were produced.  The majority of them were reworked into AN/ARC-5 sets.  While the transmitters underwent major circuit changes, most of the receivers got only a new nomenclature plate.
One can still find T-950 transmitters with their original plates.
You can find BC-942 receivers, but not with their original plate.  There are several "tells"
which authenticate a BC-942 receiver, but all of them I've ever seen had their plates changed to AN/ARC-5 R-28.

I have built the SCR-274N VHF set and am missing only the nomenclature plate for the Receiver, BC-942.  It should be a Western Electric - make plate.
If you have one of these VHF receivers,
please take a moment to look at the plate.
If there is one still out there, I'd be very happy to receive a photo of it.

Merry Christmas to all,
Dave AB5S



From ka8vit at ka8vit.com  Mon Dec 21 09:11:30 2020
From: ka8vit at ka8vit.com (Bill KA8VIT)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:11:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] WW2 Navy TBL Part
In-Reply-To: <ace1a804-da42-5ac2-914d-0230c4c81a31@nycap.rr.com>
References: <ace1a804-da42-5ac2-914d-0230c4c81a31@nycap.rr.com>
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From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Mon Dec 21 12:14:21 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
In-Reply-To: <c499a6bf-468d-5d2c-a9ef-b1fd0f32ac96@comcast.net>
References: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>
	<c499a6bf-468d-5d2c-a9ef-b1fd0f32ac96@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f5389733-f668-1bb2-3a6f-91890a60baa6@comcast.net>

Addendum #3.

FYI, it works BETTER at low voltage.? With choke input filter, using two 
120 mfd. 400 volt capacitors (because I had 'em) I'm getting 170 volts 
and find it works better, and sounds better, How 'bout that!

Richard, AA1P


From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Mon Dec 21 12:41:44 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:41:44 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Analysis of RAK/RAL Power Supply CND-20131
In-Reply-To: <f5389733-f668-1bb2-3a6f-91890a60baa6@comcast.net>
References: <9f50eaa5-824f-bda0-ee5e-52c91faa50a6@comcast.net>,
	<c499a6bf-468d-5d2c-a9ef-b1fd0f32ac96@comcast.net>,
	<f5389733-f668-1bb2-3a6f-91890a60baa6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5FE0DE58.5775.787259@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 21 Dec 2020 at 12:14, Richard wrote:

> Addendum #3.
> 
> FYI, it works BETTER at low voltage.? With choke input filter, using two 
> 120 mfd. 400 volt capacitors (because I had 'em) I'm getting 170 volts 
> and find it works better, and sounds better, How 'bout that!
> 
> Richard, AA1P

I really appreciate your doing this, Richard.

I have several home-built (not by me) power supplies for the RAL/RAK here. Each of them 
includes a VR-90 for the regulated 90 VDC. I can't remember what the +HV is, but will take a 
look asap.

After reading your missives, I will have to check these throughly.

Thanks again,

vy 73,

Ken W7EKB

From ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com  Mon Dec 21 21:26:24 2020
From: ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com (Steven Syrotynski)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 21:26:24 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] WW2 Navy TBL Part
In-Reply-To: <1042408450.265563.1608559890450@email.ionos.com>
References: <ace1a804-da42-5ac2-914d-0230c4c81a31@nycap.rr.com>
	<1042408450.265563.1608559890450@email.ionos.com>
Message-ID: <784dd413-6849-b536-9094-463650131fcb@nycap.rr.com>

Thank you bill for taking the time to do that, i see you do work on the 
USS COD, i have what i think is a large square dive meter that i think 
goes on a sub, i'll send you a picture to your QRZ'D e-mail address, and 
if you can use it it's yours,

Steve

On 12/21/2020 9:11 AM, Bill KA8VIT wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Let me check what we have on the boat.
>
> It won't be until this weekend that I can check.
>
> 73 - Bill KA8VIT
>
>> On 12/20/2020 8:16 PM Steven Syrotynski <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com 
>> <mailto:ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good Evening All, looking for a Westinghouse DC volt meter like the one
>> in the e-bay ad below but in a 0-400 volt dc range. It is for the TBL
>> modulator we have on boarded the USS Slater here in albany n.y thank you
>> for your time and i will be happy to pay via paypal or what ever you 
>> prefer,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> W2TRH
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/0-500V-DC-Analog-Panel-Meter-Voltmeter-Westinghouse-88mm/193637958851?hash=item2d15b8c4c3:g:HHEAAOSwCl9fRo6O 
>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/0-500V-DC-Analog-Panel-Meter-Voltmeter-Westinghouse-88mm/193637958851?hash=item2d15b8c4c3:g:HHEAAOSwCl9fRo6O> 
>>
>>
>>
>
> ====================================
> Bill Chaikin, KA8VIT
> USS COD Amateur Radio Club - W8COD
> WW2 Submarine USS COD SS-224 (NECO)
>
> ka8vit at ka8vit.com
> http://ka8vit.com
> http://www.usscod.org
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From ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com  Mon Dec 21 21:33:33 2020
From: ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com (Steven Syrotynski)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors]  Emergency Radio Room
In-Reply-To: <51B0B5778E814BEDBCEA523FA388032D@computer1>
References: <9478abcb-abd4-c53d-241a-a8a96f066490@nycap.rr.com>
	<CAB55hNcYJmPvoyCBrksam94GYd9XxKG-AJfZLGPdwTp=W32jXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<51B0B5778E814BEDBCEA523FA388032D@computer1>
Message-ID: <d7740e9e-fc89-9d8b-b9ff-4a003a797c1f@nycap.rr.com>

Hi Carl, in the main radio room we have a working TBL and a tcs-13. We 
also have a TDE there which still needs some work. W e do have some info 
on the other room on the ships website, we are just tryng torestore that 
room to as close to original as possible,

Steve

On 12/21/2020 3:25 PM, Carl wrote:
> The AO-109 I was stationed on as an ET 1961-early 63 was comissioned 
> in 1945 and Emergency Radio carried a RAK/RAL, RBB/RBC, plus a TCS-13 
> which was powered by a massive battery in a holder in the 
> port/starboard passegway just behind the well declk. It was also used 
> on Shore Patrol.
>
> I forget the TX used but it had a HF and MF band and a 803 final if I 
> remember. It vever needed service while I was there and I was allowed 
> to use the TCS on hambands.
>
> I was so impressed by those RX that I own all 4 and use them at times.
>
> Carl
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick England" <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> To: "Steven Syrotynski" <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
> Cc: "Boatanchors-qth" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; "Military Surplus 
> Mail List" <Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>; <MMRCG at groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] [Milsurplus] Emergency Radio Room
>
>
>> According to http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/radio-tx/index.htm
>> A larger destroyer would have had a TBL transmitter plus RAK/RAL 
>> receivers.
>> I don't know if there was room for that in a DE like Slater.
>> Seems to me that MF (called IF back then) transmit capability would be
>> important in Emergency Radio and you wouldn't get that in a TCS.
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Steven Syrotynski 
>> <ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good Evening All, i volunteer in the radio room on the USS Slater 
>>> DE-766
>>> here in Albany N.Y . There is in the aft part of the ship a room that
>>> was used as an emergency radio room. We do not have a record of what
>>> equipment might have been put there. I was thinking something like TCS
>>> set and also both a low frequency and high frequency receivers . Any
>>> ideas out there of what might have been in a room like that would be
>>> greatly appreciated,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> W2TRH
>>>
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Dec 22 14:23:39 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:23:39 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-942 VHF Receiver
In-Reply-To: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>
References: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <d356e696-61a7-f139-1762-1f6f65b93044@ix.netcom.com>

To those who have kindly replied:
Not ignoring you- work is being demanding
last couple of days.? I'm rushing out the door
Right now.?? Will catch-up over Christmas.
73 Dave S.

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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 12:08:13 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 17:08:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] TCS TX
References: <623214469.2449650.1608743293976.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <623214469.2449650.1608743293976@mail.yahoo.com>

Is there an official mod to the TCS where the RF ammeter circuit is rewired to place it between the RF out stud and the TR relay?  

Has anybody reviewed the website that talks about winding a fixed coil on the output variometer, bypassing the rotating link in order to load up to full PA current?

Will, or should, a stock unmodified TCS be able to load to full CW plate current?

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 19:38:10 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:38:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Aha moment
References: <1179423257.2513048.1608770290693.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1179423257.2513048.1608770290693@mail.yahoo.com>

The TCS is pretty neat, you can remove the back of either unit to get to all those screws that are impossible to get to.  I removed the back from the TX, they give you enough service loops to move it away, and removed a bad bypass cap.  When I got it free, hidden mostly underneath it, was the low power jumper, complete and connected.  Once I get it back together, hopefully it will put out full power and load up to proper CW plate milliamps.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Thu Dec 24 12:14:29 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 11:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] TCS TX
In-Reply-To: <623214469.2449650.1608743293976@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <623214469.2449650.1608743293976.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<623214469.2449650.1608743293976@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9158fd64-9eef-7bbf-6f23-a56234d71a69@ix.netcom.com>

You don't need to wind coils or bypass anything.
Nor do you need the many complicated external
"tuners" some have built; one part will fix this.

At the lower left corner of the transmitter is a knob
marked "Series," "Off" and "Parallel."
If on 40 or 30 meters, select "Series."
If on 80 meters, select "Off" and connect
a 100 pFd RF doorknob cap in series from the
ANT connector to the center-conductor of your coax.
Got to be choosy- some so-called "RF" caps are
little more than resistors and some guys think they're gold.
These are good ones:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264827461359
https://www.ebay.com/itm/192780283722

If 160 Mtrs, use 1000 pFd High voltage Ceramic.
For some reason, every Silver Mica I try? to use
eats power.

If you use these suggestions, your TCS transmitter
will tune-up to full output.

GL OM DE Dave AB5S

On 12/23/2020 11:08 AM, CL in NC via Milsurplus wrote:
> Is there an official mod to the TCS where the RF ammeter circuit is rewired to place it between the RF out stud and the TR relay?
>
> Has anybody reviewed the website that talks about winding a fixed coil on the output variometer, bypassing the rotating link in order to load up to full PA current?
>
> Will, or should, a stock unmodified TCS be able to load to full CW plate current?
>
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 21:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 24 22:50:22 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 03:50:22 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 24 volt supply for GRC-9 ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269B9F337BDF7BCBE80935EE4DC0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I recent sold a DY-88 for real good money. This has me wondering about the demand for the 
DY-105. Are there any / many mil vehicles belonging to collectors that have a 24 volt system
and use the GRC-9 ?
thanks-
Hue Miller 

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Dec 26 14:59:25 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:59:25 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] BC-942 VHF Receiver
In-Reply-To: <6746E742-3774-4324-B647-0DB660786992@aol.com>
References: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>
	<6746E742-3774-4324-B647-0DB660786992@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4f77c9c8-ecf3-1486-e36f-74b2b9fd3f44@ix.netcom.com>

Thanks for writing, Mark, and for your patience.
The sets were originally designed to add VHF
to then-common SCR-274N installations, so the
BC-950 transmitter has the smaller 274N connector
on the back.?? It was a simple, easy install that
required only changing the control boxes and
adding a couple of cables, plus antenn9.

When the Army Air Corps decided to go with the hulking,
black lump of a radio, SCR-522, with the requirement
of a complete new installation with a bunch of boxes
and another box taking precious space in the cockpit,
supposedly to please the Brits, I think they made a
mistake.? According to WWII Radio Mechanics, 522
took constant "fiddling" to keep it working.
I believe that position is supported by how quickly
after WWII the 522 disappeared from service.

As far as we can document, the U.S. Navy wisely
turned-down the 522.? While they had some pre-JAN
VHF alternatives, they had the 274N VHF redesigned
as part of the JAN AN/ARC-5 system.? To fit the "ARC-5"
TX rack, the T-23 was built with the ARC-5 larger connector.

73 Dave S.

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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Dec 26 15:09:24 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 14:09:24 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] BC-942 VHF Receiver
In-Reply-To: <00f101d6d75f$d1325510$7396ff30$@com>
References: <3c42d99a-66af-2f46-8c47-b0c8c1b45929@ix.netcom.com>
	<00f101d6d75f$d1325510$7396ff30$@com>
Message-ID: <83be242a-cbf3-652d-81fd-8aced37c453a@ix.netcom.com>

Thank you for writing, Robert.
Documentation for the SCR-274N VHF
is very scarce.? One of our members reports
a document from testing results he is going
to find for us and I have a "Radio School
Pamplet" teaching document that mentions
it and shows a system block diagram.
That book calls-out another "Pamplet"
which is entirely about 274N VHF.
I will dig it up- perhaps someone knows
how to get the Signal Corps to look
for an old document.

Don't have any information on BC-942
serial numbers.? All we seem to have are
speculations, inferences and apocryphal
data, as with so many of our systems.
For instance:? I can't now remember who
published that only 1000 274N VHF systems
were built, but my BC-950-A-121 is serial
numbered in the 3000s.? Some people have
proposed that more were made for export
to the many allies who had been using 274N VHF,
but of course there's no way to know for sure.

GL OM DE Dave AB5S

On 12/21/2020 12:09 AM, Robert Downs wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I did once have a BC-950 as well as one that had been a BC-950 but got converted.  However, I've never that I know of had a BC-942.  Do you happen to know whether or not the BC-942's that got converted to R-28/ARC-5 kept their original serial numbers?
>
> Robert Downs

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 27 00:28:15 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 05:28:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "1917" Trench scene, revisited
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269CA193A9F15D06D30E9F1E4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

When I saw "1917" a year or two back, I was puzzled by a sign posted up inside the 
abandoned German trenches. It went by too fast for me to register what the exact
words were. I really thought I'd sent to this group a screen snip of that movie scene,
but I fail to find it, so apparently I watched enough of the movie again to see this
part, but didn't grab it.
This wooden sign, I guess about 18 wide by 14 tall inches, read

1 Gasf?cher
1 Eimer
1 Stange
1 Spaten

This means: 1 gas fan; 1 bucket; 1 pole; 1 spade. I surmise this was for removal or 
burying of spewing gas shells?
Olde business, but I'm getting it off the books at last.
-Hue Miller 

From gfsmith at cox.net  Sun Dec 27 00:58:32 2020
From: gfsmith at cox.net (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 21:58:32 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] "1917" Trench scene, revisited
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269CA193A9F15D06D30E9F1E4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.nampr
	d22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269CA193A9F15D06D30E9F1E4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.650.1609048693.3112.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>

Hi Hue,
For what it is worth, here is a link to a screen 
grab of the scene and a possible explanation: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/eyn04a/what_does_this_mean_wanted_to_see_if_there_is/ 


73, Gordon KJ6IKT

At 09:28 PM 12/26/2020, Hubert Miller wrote:
>When I saw "1917" a year or two back, I was 
>puzzled by a sign posted up inside the
>abandoned German trenches. It went by too fast 
>for me to register what the exact
>words were. I really thought I'd sent to this 
>group a screen snip of that movie scene,
>but I fail to find it, so apparently I watched 
>enough of the movie again to see this
>part, but didn't grab it.
>This wooden sign, I guess about 18 wide by 14 tall inches, read
>
>1 Gasf?cher
>1 Eimer
>1 Stange
>1 Spaten
>
>This means: 1 gas fan; 1 bucket; 1 pole; 1 
>spade. I surmise this was for removal or
>burying of spewing gas shells?
>Olde business, but I'm getting it off the books at last.
>-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 27 01:23:23 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 06:23:23 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Another "Citizen Soldier" fact
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269932A36D51170F44DD29EE4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Another little tidbit about "Citizen Soldier": one of the songs for the soundtrack
is by Joe Walsh, guitarist for the band "Eagles", well known ham radio figure and
classic ham radios collector, "No Man's Land". A video with scenes from this film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nP4ab-_UI

-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 27 01:26:20 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 06:26:20 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "1917" Trench scene, revisited
In-Reply-To: <c918a9f5-3cd8-4db0-a54d-750f9ee95dc4@HE1EUR01FT064.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269CA193A9F15D06D30E9F1E4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<c918a9f5-3cd8-4db0-a54d-750f9ee95dc4@HE1EUR01FT064.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02691F0E887C25807598DBBCE4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

The suggestion that these were toilet articles is way off-base.
You don't post a sign about mandatory equipment content for that.
This is clearly for dealing with gas attack. Personal protection would
still depend on donning the gasmask.
-Hue 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Dec 27 01:30:17 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 06:30:17 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "1917" Trench scene, revisited
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02691F0E887C25807598DBBCE4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269CA193A9F15D06D30E9F1E4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<c918a9f5-3cd8-4db0-a54d-750f9ee95dc4@HE1EUR01FT064.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com>
	<MWHPR22MB02691F0E887C25807598DBBCE4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026922C740854252CC327CCDE4DA0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Occurs to me, could also provide equipment in case of one of their own shells leaking or falling short,
some kind of accident. Germans were first to use gas weapons.
-Hue 

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Dec 27 12:42:20 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:42:20 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] VHF R-28 and BC-942 Crystals.
Message-ID: <ad49e6bd-5262-db28-f440-8c09634f7ec4@ix.netcom.com>

Concerning crystals for the BC-942 and R-28
"ARC-5" VHF receivers:
The manual calls-out? Fxtal =? Foper. - 6.9 MC / 24.

Example:????? Fop 118.55 MC - 6.9 MC = 111.65
 ???????????????????????? 111.65 / 24 = 4652 KC? Fcrystal.

Please note that these multipliers will also work:
12, 18, 24 and 30.
So for the Unicom freq of 122.8 MC,? one could
use crystals:?? 9658, 6439, 4829, and 3863KC

Additional note:
If you use one of the inexpensive and very useful
DDS function generators like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759GKKBJ
one must use a square-wave output (high in harmonics,
as crystal oscillators are).? I use the CMOS waveform.
The receiver will operate well with 5V+ positive-going
square waves (CMOS setting), so programmable oscillators
with only DC blocking cap of 500 pFd will work OK,
but best sensitivity on my two working sets is at 10V+ peak.
Higher than 10 and sensitivity goes down.? Personally, if I
want .25 uV sensitivity, I have scanners for that.
I will trade some sensitivity for simplicity.? Still works well.

Hope this is helpful.

73 Dave AB5S


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From briankn4r at gmail.com  Sun Dec 27 18:22:47 2020
From: briankn4r at gmail.com (Brian Harrison)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:22:47 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] WW2 German tube testers or manuals?
Message-ID: <DE04071B-4524-4371-B155-8E871F361F54@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Happy Holidays

Does anyone have an original manual or copy for a WW2 German RPG 3/4 tube tester?
or a list of all the tubes that it will test?

https://www.kriegsfunker.com/accessories/test_equipment/rpg_3_4.php <https://www.kriegsfunker.com/accessories/test_equipment/rpg_3_4.php>

A group of us want to translate it into English similar to what has already been done for the (very different) RPG 2 tube tester:

https://www.kriegsfunker.com/accessories/test_equipment/rpg_2.html <https://www.kriegsfunker.com/accessories/test_equipment/rpg_2.html>

Tnx and all the best,

brian
kn4r
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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 27 23:12:54 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 23:12:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] U.S. Military Aircraft VHF-AM Set Crystal Frequencies
Message-ID: <1607028831.5511.1609128775291@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Operating Frequency vs. Crystal Frequency for common WW2-era
VHF-AM Command Sets.  ALL frequencies below are MHz.
---------------------------------------------------
A.  U.S. NAVY - WW2-Era Aircraft VHF-AM Command Sets
???????????(Operating frequencies shown are known to
           have been supplied from factory in some sets.)

1.  RT-18*/ARC-1
??????????????? Operating????? Crystal
Channel???      Freq???????????Freq
??1????????   ? 116.1 ???????  5.91
? 2????????   ? 124.38?????????6.37
??3???????   ???126.18???????? 6.47
??4?????????    128.7 ?????????6.61
??5????????   ??142.02?????????7.35
??6????????? ?? 142.56???????? 7.38
??7?????????? ? 142.74?????????7.39
??8???????????  144.36???????? 7.48
??9????????? ?? 146.16?????????7.58
? GC???????   ? 140.58???????? 7.27

Operating Freq:  100 to 156
Crystal Type:  CR-1A/AR
Operating Freq = Crystal Freq x 18 + 9.72
Crystal Freq = (Operating Freq - 9.72) / 18

2.  RT-19/ARC-4
???????????    Operating????  R Crystal????? T Crystal
Channel???     Freq???????????Freq?????????? Freq
?1 P-P????     140.58?????????8.16125??????? 5.8575
?2 P-G????     142.02?????????8.25125??????? 5.9175
?3 P-G????     142.46?????????8.285??????????5.94
?4 P-G????     142.74?????????8.29625??????? 5.9475

Operating Freq:  140 to 144
Crystal Type:  WECo Type 703A (Dual Crystal Unit)
R Freq = R Crystal Freq x 16 + 10
R Crystal Freq = (R Freq - 10) / 16
T Freq = T Crystal Freq x 24
T Crystal Freq = T Freq / 24

3.  AN/ARC-5????????????????  R-28???????????T-23
?????????????   Operating???  R Crystal????? T Crystal
Channel???      Freq??????????Freq???????????Freq
??A?????? ??  ? 116.1 ????????4.55???????????6.45
? B?????? ?  ?? 126.18????????4.97???????????7.01
? C???????   ?? 140.58????????5.57?????????? 7.81
? D??????   ??? 142.74????????5.66?????????? 7.93

        ????????????????????  R-28???????????T-126
?????????????   Operating???  R Crystal????? T Crystal
Channel???      Freq??????????Freq???????????Freq
??A?????? ??  ? 111.78??????? 4.55???????????6.21
? B???????? ?   116.46??????? 5.57???????????6.47
? C????????   ? 126.18??????? 4.97???????????7.01
? D?????????    137.88??????? 5.66?????????? 7.66

Operating Freq:  100 to 156 (T-23); 100 to 146 (T-126)
Crystal Type:  Receiver DC-31; Transmitter CR-1A/AR (DC-30)
R Freq = R Crystal Freq x 24 + 6.9
R Crystal Freq = (R Freq - 6.9) / 24
T Freq = T Crystal Freq x 18
T Crystal Freq = T Freq / 18

Transmitter Channel Frequency Bands:
Channel???     T-23/ARC-5?????? ?? T-126/ARC-5
? A??????? ??? 100 to 124????????? 100 to 124
  B???? ?????? 122 to 146????????? 100 to 124
? C????? ????? 122 to 146????????? 100 to 124
??D?????? ???? 132 to 156????????? 122 to 146

---------------------------------------------------
B.  U.S. ARMY - WW2-Era Aircraft VHF-AM Command Sets

1.  SCR-522-A?????????????? R: BC-624-*??   T: BC-625-*
Channels:? A, B, C, D

2.  AN/ARC-3*?????????????? R-77*???????????T-67*
Channels:? A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H

Details below are applicable to both SCR-522-A and AN/ARC-3*:
Operating Frequency:  100 to 156
Crystal Type:  DC-30 (CR-1A/AR)
R Freq = R Crystal Freq x H + 12
R Crystal Freq = (R Freq - 12) / H
H = Local Oscillator Harmonic
??? Operating Freq????? H
????100 to 108????????? 11
????108 to 116????????? 12
??? 116 to 124????????? 13
??? 124 to 132????????? 14
??? 132 to 140????????? 15
??? 140 to 148????????? 16
??? 148 to 156????????? 17
T Freq = T Crystal Freq x 18
T Crystal Freq = T Freq / 18
---------------------------------------------------

Mike / KK5F

From scr287 at att.net  Mon Dec 28 13:30:26 2020
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] WWII VHF AM question
In-Reply-To: <1607028831.5511.1609128775291@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1607028831.5511.1609128775291@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3b7abd6c-62b4-2ec3-bef8-3569e31e89e9@att.net>

Did the man-carried VHF sets like the
MAW and the AN/TRC-7 see operational service in WWII?

Just curious.

IF anyone is interested the MAW, I have
a pair I'd like to part with. One set is
almost complete, the other is just the radio.


Jack Antonio
WA7DIA


From k7ew at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 28 14:58:04 2020
From: k7ew at hotmail.com (Steve Saslow)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:58:04 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] ELDI hand tools
Message-ID: <MWHPR17MB1456D9D0BCE917382E109DCF81D90@MWHPR17MB1456.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Please: anyone here can find and relay info on a 1940s German hand tools company, ELDI?  ...Apparently good to excellent quality...company history... As I cannot speak the language, I am at a loss!  But definitely want to learn ( PS not on wikipedia apparently...)  Existed before end of WWII?  East or West German?  Please! and tnx!   -Steve k7ew
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From Telegrapher at Q.COM  Mon Dec 28 15:16:26 2020
From: Telegrapher at Q.COM (Larry)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Couple manuals and lamps
Message-ID: <9949dc75-080e-11eb-fab4-65406b984d65@Q.COM>

I have some manuals here to dispose of.? They fear their fate if a new 
home isn't found for them.

WAR Dept. Technical Manual Parachutes, Aircraft Fabrics, and clothing.? 
TM 1-440.? One place says Jan 10, 1941.

WAR Dept. TM 11-620 for Radio Sets, SCR-608-A and SCR-628-A. 1 Jan 
1944.? Excellent shape.

Preliminary Instructions for Radio Set SCR-578-A.? Bendix Aviation.? 
Order NO. 676 - WFSCPD-42 and 1152-WFSCPD-42.? No Date.? Like new condx.

Preliminary Instructions for radio Set SCR-578-A, Bendix Aviation. 
September 10, 1942.? Technical Order No. 08-10-94. Rough but complete.

Handbook of Maintenance Instructions for Radio Set SCR-578-A or 
SCR-578-B.? TO AN-08-94.? This one has the heavier stock paper for the 
cover.? 19 August 1943. Rough but complete.

Instruction Book for Operation and Maintenance of Radio Set SCR-578-A.? 
Army Air Forces Technical Order No. 08-10-94.? Revised Nov. 27, 1942.? 
This is the one that would have been assigned to a particular Airplane 
type and AAF Serial No.? Sez so right on the front cover.

revision Sheet for book for Operation and Maintenance of Radio Set 
SCR-578-A.? One page item but an envelope attached to the back has the 
"packing list" for the radio.? No date but you can tell it's all 
typewriter print.

Cool stuff.? History indeed.

Lamps.? I have a box full of 28V 40 ma lamps with 2 pins.? Some of the 
lamps show an "A" or "B" on the front and are red in color.? Also in the 
same box are some yellow, kinda clear and lots of red without any 
markings.? Then i have a jar with the panel mount holders for them.? 
These came from a piece of GE radio gear which was then junked out.? 
Must be 100 or more of the lamps in the box but only 14 of the panel 
mountings.? $10 for the lot plus postage.

Larry W0OGH

Cochise, AZ.? 85606




From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 28 16:05:23 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:05:23 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] ELDI hand tools
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR17MB1456D9D0BCE917382E109DCF81D90@MWHPR17MB1456.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR17MB1456D9D0BCE917382E109DCF81D90@MWHPR17MB1456.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7ae74ead-56d8-355a-98c5-3731fb084c0b@earthlink.net>

Several Eldi tools on ebay, and over 1,000 references on the web.  What 
info are you looking for?  Did you have a web page you need translated? 
The info I'm seeing online is West Germany, and most, if not all, tools 
for servicing, and maintaining bicycles.

Kurt

From pfthekan at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 17:51:18 2020
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 14:51:18 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTD: Jefferson Travis JT 350 parts radio
Message-ID: <CAK4LMKPE4xFg2s5beorFTv2nbb+5dq31_4aMLKB17aaOKx3MQg@mail.gmail.com>

Good day to the group.
My continued search for a a donor
JT -350 xmtr/rcvr set. If anyone has one to part out please let me know.
Thank you
Paul
N6FEG
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From briankn4r at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 11:54:48 2020
From: briankn4r at gmail.com (Brian Harrison)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 11:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] 4.8m whip antenna and base for Chinese XD-6 (102E) HF
	transceiver?
Message-ID: <0BA6CB8F-717B-4B90-8384-19106FFB7517@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Happy Holidays to all

I?m looking for the 4.8 meter long antenna whip and base for a Chinese XD-6 HF transceiver

(The XD-6 is the ?all-in-one" transceiver model of the 102E transmitter and 139 receiver circa 1965 - GRC-9 ?clone?)

Here?s a picture:



Tnx for any leads!

best,
brian
kn4r


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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Wed Dec 30 22:19:13 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 21:19:13 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
Message-ID: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>

SCR-288 (BC-474) QRV on 80M for SKN.
I have the complete -288 generator as well,
but no one to crank it, lol.

I need the genny cable that goes to the
interface box and all the canvas, if someone
has such a thing.

GL ES HNY OM DE Dave AB5S



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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Wed Dec 30 22:31:33 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <05de01d6df25$7005f170$5011d450$@eozinc.com>

I also have several 474s. On my main one I built a power supply that I was just able to squeeze into the battery slot that powers both the receiver and the transmitter. Worked pretty much all over the east coast and Midwest on 75 AN with it. Nice little set. 73 & HNY ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of David Stinson
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 10:19 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN

 

SCR-288 (BC-474) QRV on 80M for SKN.
I have the complete -288 generator as well,
but no one to crank it, lol.

I need the genny cable that goes to the 
interface box and all the canvas, if someone
has such a thing.

GL ES HNY OM DE Dave AB5S




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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Dec 30 23:40:18 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 04:40:18 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02692C677B8329B92B2D790CE4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

You have no more chance of finding this cable than of finding a flash frozen mastodon. 
You maybe should consider contacting Steve Bartkowski, who has the connectors. 
I sold, I think, 4 BC-474 in the 2 months. I was just looking at a shiny one last night and
thinking I should sell it. I have one more then, with the bag and generator, which will go
next year. Narrowing my focus. Plus, the TBX has more the "look" I want. 
-Hue Miller 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 03:56:58 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 08:56:58 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02693FAB0AB554265CE48C34E4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Re Dave's comments on BC-474: many years back I saw a photo in, must have been CQ magazine,
of a missionary operating a BC-1306, I mean the whole show, cranking the gen too while operating 
the radio. But as I wrote this, I realized he could not have tuned up the transmitter and cranked the
radio too. The only handcranked rec-trans I have ever tried that can be completely operated by one
person would be the transistorized lifeboat radios. These have voice mode, A3, on 2182 kHz. Doing
CW while cranking would be another level of coordination, maybe like finger style guitar while singing. 
-Hue Miller 

From farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 04:27:39 2020
From: farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com (Rob Flory)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 04:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Straight Key Night
In-Reply-To: <mailman.26157.1609384840.3115.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.26157.1609384840.3115.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CAFcNxxUEQETtbfU0i=x89=vfpEtxbpQ-BOxDnoyY-LAvPktMAQ@mail.gmail.com>

As Dave's post illustrates, SKN is a fun opportunity to get old military
gear on the air.  I also seem to run into quite a few old military brass
pounders during the event.  I will have my TCK on the air on 40 and 80.
Remember it lasts all day the 1st.

73, RF

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> SCR-288 (BC-474) QRV on 80M for SKN.
> I have the complete -288 generator as well,
> but no one to crank it, lol.
>
> I need the genny cable that goes to the
> interface box and all the canvas, if someone
> has such a thing.
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From wb8ybf at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 08:13:19 2020
From: wb8ybf at gmail.com (Patrick Marineau)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 08:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Schematic help needed
Message-ID: <CAPBj24DUNO53MMfAsePxV3PCZLM-ZEACFp5E=qztsYPX9Yaicg@mail.gmail.com>

  For WW2 television transmitter T-61/AXT-2.  I already have a copy of
AN-08-30AXT2-2 (available on the internet), but it does not contain the
schematic.
Thanks,
Pat K9HF
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From briankn4r at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 08:17:05 2020
From: briankn4r at gmail.com (Brian Harrison)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 08:17:05 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] EEIS-marked radio items?
Message-ID: <A1B7D487-4045-40FE-B9D3-DE7A69F354FA@gmail.com>

GM all,

For an upcoming presentation I?m looking for pictures of any German or Japanese radio item (or any non-radio item) captured and evaluated by the EEIS during WWII (EEIS = Enemy Equipment Intelligence Service)

Each evaluated item was marked by a unique ID number in white paint in the format EEIS-XXX-XXX

Attached is an example (picture)

Tnx for any help!

best,
brian
kn4r
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From mstangelo at comcast.net  Thu Dec 31 11:27:16 2020
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (MICHAEL ST ANGELO)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:27:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <301194394.89264.1609432037781@connect.xfinity.com>

The MFJ Tuner complements the SCR-288.

HNY Mike N2MS

>     On 12/30/2020 10:19 PM David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>      
>      
> 
>     SCR-288 (BC-474) QRV on 80M for SKN.
>     I have the complete -288 generator as well,
>     but no one to crank it, lol.
> 
>     I need the genny cable that goes to the
>     interface box and all the canvas, if someone
>     has such a thing.
> 
>     GL ES HNY OM DE Dave AB5S
> 
> 
> 
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From ark at ar88.net  Thu Dec 31 12:03:40 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <301194394.89264.1609432037781@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
	<301194394.89264.1609432037781@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <2af10b7d-3004-82d6-024a-186816223663@ar88.net>

While we're on the subject...
I really like my RCA MI-8751 one of the original "Swedish Sets" for SCR-288.
See it here <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/mil/SCR-288/SCR-288.html>.

73,
Al

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From smithab11 at comcast.net  Thu Dec 31 13:13:21 2020
From: smithab11 at comcast.net (B. Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02693FAB0AB554265CE48C34E4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>
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 ? Cranking a generator while sending CW is a piece of cake and a 
excellent way to lose a couple of pounds during Field Day.
k4che
http://k4che.com/Tempvideo/G76%20Generator%20Mod/K4cheG76Mod.mp4

On 12/31/2020 3:56 AM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Re Dave's comments on BC-474: many years back I saw a photo in, must have been CQ magazine,
> of a missionary operating a BC-1306, I mean the whole show, cranking the gen too while operating
> the radio. But as I wrote this, I realized he could not have tuned up the transmitter and cranked the
> radio too. The only handcranked rec-trans I have ever tried that can be completely operated by one
> person would be the transistorized lifeboat radios. These have voice mode, A3, on 2182 kHz. Doing
> CW while cranking would be another level of coordination, maybe like finger style guitar while singing.
> -Hue Miller
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From sestokes at sonic.net  Thu Dec 31 14:08:53 2020
From: sestokes at sonic.net (Hole in the Head Press)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:08:53 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] NTIS
Message-ID: <aba2f325-599b-5e43-a09d-0ed800b55ebb@sonic.net>

Has anyone ordered from NTIS since their telephone call center has been 
closed?

How do you order?

Looking for the manual for the AN/CPN-6

Thanks

-- 
Sam Stokes, Publisher,  KG6XYZ
http://www.holeintheheadpress.com
3rd Edition of Rings of Supersonic Steel
To Defend and Deter
The Last Missile Site
Sutro's Glass Palace
Artillery at the Golden Gate

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From pfthekan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 14:16:10 2020
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:16:10 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAX rcvr..message from the past
Message-ID: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>

Working on undoing some messy ham mods on a LF RAX rcvr when I removed the
top cover of the parts donor set to see this scrawled on top of one of the
IF cans.

 "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country"

 I'm presuming this was written during
WW2.
 I think its as relevant now as it was then.

Wishing all a healthy and happy New Year.

Paul
N6FEG
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Thu Dec 31 14:27:05 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:27:05 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAX rcvr..message from the past
In-Reply-To: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69f59f15-1c44-2d9a-ee0b-6df80b1b6be1@ix.netcom.com>

I adore finding inscriptions like that inside radios.
Have found several.? And left a few myself.

Coolest thing I ever found in a radio:
An ART-13 that came from the barn of a
"Third of the First" Intel officer who was
on Guadalcanal:? A complete-less explosives
WWII Japanese hand grenade.

What's the coolest thing you've found in a radio?

73 Dave S.

On 12/31/2020 1:16 PM, Paul Thekan wrote:
> Working on undoing some messy ham mods on a LF RAX rcvr when I removed 
> the top cover of the parts donor set to see this scrawled on top of 
> one of the IF cans.
>
> ?"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country"
>
> ?I'm presuming this was written during
> WW2.

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From ark at ar88.net  Thu Dec 31 15:15:07 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAX rcvr..message from the past
In-Reply-To: <69f59f15-1c44-2d9a-ee0b-6df80b1b6be1@ix.netcom.com>
References: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69f59f15-1c44-2d9a-ee0b-6df80b1b6be1@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <1df9ade2-e363-b817-56fe-713f1f2c8a54@ar88.net>

Dave,

Some years back we took a 1920's three dial as a donation at the Radio 
technology Museum.? Tucked inside was a brow paper package package 
containing $10,000.? The old guy stashed it in his radio and checked 
out.? Of course we returned it to the family.

Al

On 12/31/2020 2:27 PM, David Stinson wrote:
> I adore finding inscriptions like that inside radios.
> Have found several.? And left a few myself.
>
> Coolest thing I ever found in a radio:
> An ART-13 that came from the barn of a
> "Third of the First" Intel officer who was
> on Guadalcanal:? A complete-less explosives
> WWII Japanese hand grenade.
>
> What's the coolest thing you've found in a radio?
>
> 73 Dave S.
>
> On 12/31/2020 1:16 PM, Paul Thekan wrote:
>> Working on undoing some messy ham mods on a LF RAX rcvr when I 
>> removed the top cover of the parts donor set to see this scrawled on 
>> top of one of the IF cans.
>>
>> ?"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country"
>>
>> ?I'm presuming this was written during
>> WW2.
>

-- 
Al Klase - N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net

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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Thu Dec 31 16:10:44 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:10:44 -0600
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAX rcvr..message from the past
In-Reply-To: <1df9ade2-e363-b817-56fe-713f1f2c8a54@ar88.net>
References: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69f59f15-1c44-2d9a-ee0b-6df80b1b6be1@ix.netcom.com>
	<1df9ade2-e363-b817-56fe-713f1f2c8a54@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <89d1c6ea-df97-ebb3-06ee-638206981fe9@ix.netcom.com>

Wow!? You folks earned a gold-star
in those big books on that day.

On 12/31/2020 2:15 PM, Al Klase wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Some years back we took a 1920's three dial as a donation at the Radio 
> technology Museum.? Tucked inside was a brow paper package package 
> containing $10,000. 


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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 16:21:42 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:21:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAX rcvr..message from the past
In-Reply-To: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026975A527D74B3A51194DCEE4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Not military, but: when I lived in Omaha, 1995, I went to a meet with the really small group 
of Nebraska antique radio collectors. I bought a Crosley 51, a two-tube regen broadcast radio
guaranteed not to work, as the audio transformer had opened. Inside in the lower compartment
were the original batteries, A and B, and stuffed around them as packing were pages from a 
Chicago newspaper, 1925. Like the radio stopped in motion then and just put away. Truthfully,
I have not looked at that radio since then, and since that category no longer lights my filaments,
I need to dig it out and sell it. Some other Omaha gentleman "sparked" the audio transformer 
and brought the continuity back. I am very curious, actually, to know if that fix held up to today.

I had the main unit for a German aircraft radar. Of course, in the states it was absolutely no use or
point to keeping it, as you're just not ever going to find any accessory components, unless you 
devote all the hours of your life to hunting, and that's just not a good use of your days. Anyway
inside it had something written in pencil, something like "Verdoppelte Mutterzucker", which 
doesn't make sense when I try to understand and translate it, but that's the way I remember it
now 25 years later. The man I swapped it to said it meant "doubled main pulse". So the Reich's
technicians, fortunately, were not able to repair it before the show ended.
-Hue Miller 

From joeconnor53 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 31 16:23:30 2020
From: joeconnor53 at yahoo.com (Joe Connor)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:23:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAX rcvr..message from the past
In-Reply-To: <89d1c6ea-df97-ebb3-06ee-638206981fe9@ix.netcom.com>
References: <CAK4LMKO_v_X5MkGJnR52ughB19BPYYXNE+ceaQAiz+pbGhuyYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69f59f15-1c44-2d9a-ee0b-6df80b1b6be1@ix.netcom.com>
	<1df9ade2-e363-b817-56fe-713f1f2c8a54@ar88.net>
	<89d1c6ea-df97-ebb3-06ee-638206981fe9@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <1815975978.6080011.1609449810813@mail.yahoo.com>

 Families of mice have left me lots of memorable souvenirs inside radios that were stored in barns.?

????????????? ? Joe Connor

    On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 04:12:06 PM EST, David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:  
 
  
Wow!? You folks earned a gold-star 
 in those big books on that day.
 
 On 12/31/2020 2:15 PM, Al Klase wrote:
  
 
Dave,
 
 Some years back we took a 1920's three dial as a donation at the Radio technology Museum.? Tucked inside was a brow paper package package containing $10,000.? 


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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 16:33:56 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:33:56 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02695B1217207A7596D53A34E4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

The post about the. BC-474 fun had me, as usual, reconsidering my downsizing plans. 
But I ran the algorithm again and it cranked out the result: I do not care for the 80 
meter band. Its looks do not thrill me like the BC-1306 and a couple others do. So we
proceed as planned. I have two BC-474 still I will auction. Also the RCA pre-SCR version
also. 
The other night I was looking at a BC-474 chassis; I had already used to cabinet to 
package a BC-474 I sold recently. This donor BC-474 I had bought maybe 7 years back,
out of Alaska. The front panel was pretty goobered; I wondered what they were trying
to accomplish with the crude holes. Inside, the receiver was intact but the transmitter
much modified. The transmitter mods were actually neatly done. It looked like a new mod
xfmr was installed, also a miniductor coil on standoffs. There was an FT-243  socket with a 
5287.5 kHz rock. So last night I grabbed this chassis, wanting to harvest the 6V6s for 
another BC-474. BUT...they were not 6V6, there were 3 of 3Q5. So the whole rig could be
run off receiving type batteries, apparently. This only deepens the mystery of what this 
rig was going to become. Maybe some kind of Forest Service radio ? 

I remembered I have a BC-474 someone converted into a "portable emergency radio". 
The only significant change I saw was the FT-243 socket on front panel, but also the 
whole radio has a light yellow colored paint finish, well done. 
-Hue Miller K7HUE 

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 16:44:14 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:44:14 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Schematic help needed
In-Reply-To: <CAPBj24DUNO53MMfAsePxV3PCZLM-ZEACFp5E=qztsYPX9Yaicg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPBj24DUNO53MMfAsePxV3PCZLM-ZEACFp5E=qztsYPX9Yaicg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02692BE88C4C5420238205B1E4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I suggest you look for some early ham "ATV" handbooks. I feel pretty confident that something like this 
would have a "conversion" article with the before - schematic. 
Many many years ago I passed up an AXR-1. I was surprised to see how close to commercial TV standards 
all the tech specs were. I think if the tuner could find a UHF TV station then, you would be able to watch
it on your AXR-1 round screen. 
The ARR-3 and its Sonobuoy FM transmission standards and receiver design are also quite like the broadcast
radio FM standards; no surprise either. 
Good luck with your very admirable project !
-Hue Miller

>For WW2 television transmitter T-61/AXT-2.? I already have a copy of AN-08-30AXT2-2 (available on the internet), but it does not contain the schematic.
Thanks,
Pat K9HF

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 17:24:35 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:24:35 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <5FEE112B.12202.6E6942@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>,
	<MWHPR22MB02692C677B8329B92B2D790CE4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<5FEE112B.12202.6E6942@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
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FYI, for the database, $212 to 282. One outlier at $376.  So, an "ordinary" example is affordable.
But it may be a while for one to show up. 
-Hue

>How much are you getting for these, Hue?

Ken W7EKB

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 18:37:16 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 23:37:16 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] SCR-288 Ready for SKN
In-Reply-To: <5FEE5DEE.19753.19A4452@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <c7b72ffa-d38d-3ffe-958f-277ec6bc25c4@ix.netcom.com>,
	<5FEE112B.12202.6E6942@kgordon2006.frontier.com>,
	<MWHPR22MB0269CB19A208843DD10862B4E4D60@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<5FEE5DEE.19753.19A4452@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
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No - those WERE Ebay prices ! 
Maybe prices are down? 
I sold 2 German panzer receivers type Ukw.E.e    
The last one, the best, brought $385, a steal. About half what it is worth and would 
have brought maybe 2 years ago.  The "auction factor" is in there too, the unpredictability
factor. I sold a couple panzer transceivers type Fusprech.a    Both sold for a little less than 
$1300. I saw that one was flipped by a militaria seller in CA for $3000 within two weeks.
I learned from that. High value items I will not auction, or maybe only "reverse auction",
where I set a BIN price and gradually lower it, if I have to.
I am giving you these numbers for your own information base and yes, possibly amusement. 
-Hue

>Hmmm....that is about half of what a 474 goes for on eBay.

I have always wanted one. Well, maybe later...

Thanks,

Ken W7EKB

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 31 21:01:17 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 02:01:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Msg in a radio
References: <2127416517.3779772.1609466477420.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2127416517.3779772.1609466477420@mail.yahoo.com>

My friend Brian, KN4R finds old tube type private aircraft aviation radios and sends me links to them, and many times I end up buying them,  I think he is trying to drain my bank account.  I bought  a Bendix Flightweight transmitter he put me on the trail of, and I bought it, and  restored it to operation as I do all my finds.  Inside of it was written in pencil an aircraft ID,  N1181V, and a signature of a radio tech who had checked the crystal freq in it.  Well, thanks to the ability of search engines to find just about anything, I located the plane, and the owner.  On a long shot, since the information was quite old, put the owners name in the search engine and got an address, and wrote a letter in the blind and sent it to Washington state.  I put my email in the letter, and low and behold I got an email answer back and pictures of the aircraft.  The aircraft, a Beech D17S staggerwing, was in the RAF inventory during the war, and was one of 15 brought back from England after the war.  It was wrecked at Bradley Field, Idaho,  by Led R. Edmister of Portland OR., in or about 1958, and Victor, the current owner, he and his father bought it in 1972 and took it home on a flatbed trailer.  The father passed away, not ever getting around to restoration, but the son started it and is still at it,  and almost has it flyable again.  It is half metal, half fabric, so a full complement of aircraft airframe skills needed there. He has kept me up to date on his work every since.  An old tube transmitter, an N number and a search, and a new friend made.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 21:34:47 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 02:34:47 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Msg in a radio
In-Reply-To: <2127416517.3779772.1609466477420@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2127416517.3779772.1609466477420.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2127416517.3779772.1609466477420@mail.yahoo.com>
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Great story, Charlie !
BTW, re civilian aircraft radios, if anyone has a junker 'Motorola Airboy Senior', I could use a cabinet. I have one with a rather crude sheet metal garage built cabinet
that was to hold the radio and batteries. About a 1 watt radio on 3035 kHz. Or, I would like to know if the 'Airboy' LF receiver-only cabinet would fit this radio. 
Thanks to Dave Stinson's post some years back about using such radios on 80 meters, I became more enthusiastic about them.
-Hue Miller

>Subject: [Milsurplus] Msg in a radio

My friend Brian, KN4R finds old tube type private aircraft aviation radios and sends me links to them, and many times I end up buying them,  I think he is trying to drain my bank account.  I bought  a Bendix Flightweight transmitter he put me on the trail of, and I bought it, and  restored it to operation as I do all my finds.  Inside of it was written in pencil an aircraft ID,  N1181V, and a signature of a radio tech who had checked the crystal freq in it.  Well, thanks to the ability of search engines to find just about anything, I located the plane, and the owner.  On a long shot, since the information was quite old, put the owners name in the search engine and got an address, and wrote a letter in the blind and sent it to Washington state.  I put my email in the letter, and low and behold I got an email answer back and pictures of the aircraft.  The aircraft, a Beech D17S staggerwing, was in the RAF inventory during the war, and was one of 15 brought back from England aft  er the war.  It was wrecked at Bradley Field, Idaho,  by Led R. Edmister of Portland OR., in or about 1958, and Victor, the current owner, he and his father bought it in 1972 and took it home on a flatbed trailer.  The father passed away, not ever getting around to restoration, but the son started it and is still at it,  and almost has it flyable again.  It is half metal, half fabric, so a full complement of aircraft airframe skills needed there. He has kept me up to date on his work every since.  An old tube transmitter, an N number and a search, and a new friend made.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Dec 31 21:40:51 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 02:40:51 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Msg in a radio
In-Reply-To: <2127416517.3779772.1609466477420@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2127416517.3779772.1609466477420.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2127416517.3779772.1609466477420@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269DC8CB4515545E6E45534E4D50@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Something semi-related that I really like to find: logging charts with notations of frequencies and better yet, if a station 
identifier is listed with the frequency. If you see a frequency listed that's in a ham band, well, you know it took part in
the big show. 
I had an ARR-15 once that had penciled on the front, next to the channel switch, "BARB". As in, USNAS. I thought that
was pretty cool. Dammit, should have kept that radio.
-Hue Miller 

