From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep  1 04:17:13 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 08:17:13 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-189-A
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026901C5D83B191918B9CB4EE42E0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

This forlorn looking BC-189 I have owned for untold years. I am realizing I have multiple interests, too many,
and not getting much done on any, so a lot has to do. As Captian "Sully" Sullenberger said, "Sacrifice lessor
goals for the greater".
I wonder if any reader here is inspired to take this on. It is not a hopeless task. If you were here in person,
I would give it to  you. If shipping is involved, there are the probably breathtaking shipping charges plus
maybe $10 to me for my trouble, maybe $15, maybe zero.
There is only one coil, the coil in it, for 650 - ? 1000 ? kHz, despite the log chart for the 2600 - 4000 kHz
range. I have other photos of the back and connector side. Except for the rough treatment to the front
panel, it appears complete and well, basically unhacked. I do not have any schematic, but I think maybe
the old time Editors & Engineers surplus radios schematics compilation might have it.
I don't think this will fit any Flat Rate box, as it's too long, I think.

And oh yes, I do NOT want it to go to someone like me, who will only store it. Should go to someone who
has the intent, time, means, and capability to restore it.

Question: in ground use, was it paired ever with the BC-223 ?

I recall maybe 10, maybe 15 years ago a real nice BC-189 with multiple coils appeared on Ebay. We
patriots here were all too damn cheap and it sold, $1500. Okay you say, none of us wanted to pay that
much, but in the itemization of our year's expenses that is just one more entry. Yes, I should have bid
on it, my mistake as well. So it went overseas, and to a non English speaking country to boot, where it
can be displayed with no context and little understanding.
-Hue Miller
Newport, Oregon

"Army's first superheterodyne receiver"

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From jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  1 09:06:27 2020
From: jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com (James Benedict)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:06:27 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 Microphone
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB0092F6ED12C2708BBBD890C6A85B0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Another TBX-8 question. My TBX-8 dead keys 12 watts and modulates to 18 watts. Should the TBX-8 provide more peak modulated output? Mic volume is turned up to maximum and mic is 150 ohms.

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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 5:51 AM
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Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 Microphone


What resistance carbon mic should be used with the TBX-8 WWII transceiver. A Shure 104C is about 500 ohms and the TBX audio transformer is 100 ohms. The TBX-8 uses 12 volts DC. A telephone carbon mic element is about 150 ohms and a WWII T-17 is about 200 ohms.



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From jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  1 09:13:48 2020
From: jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com (James Benedict)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:13:48 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 power output
Message-ID: <BN6PR1201MB0081772E9B9FBE672EA8FC67A82E0@BN6PR1201MB0081.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>



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My TBX-8 dead keys 12 watts and swings to 18 watts, Mic volume is at maximum and mic is 150 ohms. Mic transformer is getting 12 volts. My TBX-8 is new, never used and audio modulation tube is new. SWR into the antenna is 1.7 to 1. Is 18 watts peak rather low?
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From djones at k6yic.com  Tue Sep  1 09:17:19 2020
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 06:17:19 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 power output
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR1201MB0081772E9B9FBE672EA8FC67A82E0@BN6PR1201MB0081.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR1201MB0081772E9B9FBE672EA8FC67A82E0@BN6PR1201MB0081.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3D3F53FC-C54A-4BE7-935C-FAAEE717A1D8@K6YIC.com>

Seems really good based on the spec sheet.  

The sheet says it should output 9/3 watts.  I could be wrong though. 

http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/ecat/cat-1132.htm

Daniel


K6YIC 
http://K6YIC.com

> On Sep 1, 2020, at 06:14, James Benedict <jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> My TBX-8 dead keys 12 watts and swings to 18 watts, Mic volume is at maximum and mic is 150 ohms. Mic transformer is getting 12 volts. My TBX-8 is new, never used and audio modulation tube is new. SWR into the antenna is 1.7 to 1. Is 18 watts peak rather low?
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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Tue Sep  1 09:51:15 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:51:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 Microphone
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR1201MB008116E317B42C5DC7B722F5A82E0@BN6PR1201MB0081.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1201MB0092F6ED12C2708BBBD890C6A85B0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>,
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James,

First off, are you measuring with a peak reading watt meter? I've been told that the equations to convert from Root Mean Square (AM) and Peak Envelope Power (SSB) are  RMS X 1.41 = PEP and PEP X 0.707 = RMS.

OK, second, the manual sez transmitter power is 9 watts CW and 3 watts AM. The rule I've been told about AM voice sets is that PEP will be four times as much as power with no modulation. So, it seems repairs are in order to decrease the power in this radio by undoing the modifications that made it so powerful.

I don't know for sure, but it might be possible that turning the audio gain up all the way is the actual cause. By outputting a signal that is that powerful, one side effect is the modulation is not understandable.

Here's the manual. I couldn't just find the specs without downloading it.

http://bama.edebris.com/download/military/tbx8man/Navy%20TBX-8%20Instruction%20Book.pdf

I have a meter like this one that I use:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/STOP-L-K-MICRONTA-3-WAY-CB-TESTER-RF-POWER-MODULATION-SWR/193641037320
[https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/s~0AAOSwnxlfSiUR/s-l400.jpg]<https://www.ebay.com/itm/STOP-L-K-MICRONTA-3-WAY-CB-TESTER-RF-POWER-MODULATION-SWR/193641037320>
****STOP****L@@K****MICRONTA 3 WAY CB TESTER RF POWER- MODULATION-SWR! | eBay<https://www.ebay.com/itm/STOP-L-K-MICRONTA-3-WAY-CB-TESTER-RF-POWER-MODULATION-SWR/193641037320>
USED NICE RARE MICRONTA TESTERS. 3 RANGE POWER / MODULATION / SWR TESTER. CAT NO 21 ? 522 MADE FROM RADIO SHACK A TANDY CORP. ALL ITEM'S SOLD ARE CHECKED GONE THROUGH AND LISTED THE WAY THE ITEM'S ARE.
www.ebay.com
Mine works well although the power reading is always less than the radio was specified for, possibly because they all need to be realigned or due to lower power out when using batteries.

Sean
________________________________
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TBX-8 Microphone

Another TBX-8 question. My TBX-8 dead keys 12 watts and modulates to 18 watts. Should the TBX-8 provide more peak modulated output? Mic volume is turned up to maximum and mic is 150 ohms.
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From wcprops at vt.edu  Tue Sep  1 09:50:57 2020
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] rare TCS antenna tuner on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNd9HG5RiBrzNwHCGE-oXZ4Yj4-5Xi7erWoGcorrdHGPTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNd9HG5RiBrzNwHCGE-oXZ4Yj4-5Xi7erWoGcorrdHGPTw@mail.gmail.com>
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There was one at a local military radio auction earlier this year. I was
overwhelmed with what I had bought otherwise I would have grabbed it.
Starting bid was $1 and it didn't sell. The auction company said the lots
that didn't sell would be sold again. I have yet to see it and suspect
anything that didn't sell went in the trash.

Chris
W4SVA

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 3:38 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Price is silly, but interesting to look at -
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/124318664074
>
> specs:
> http://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/ww2/tcs/tn233-src-spec-01.JPG
> http://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/ww2/tcs/tcs-tn233-01.JPG
>
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From jphutch60bj at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 20:11:22 2020
From: jphutch60bj at gmail.com (jphutch60bj)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 19:11:22 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] rare TCS antenna tuner on eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPiCy_5zdU1s8hCT=6p11f40_ZTv-QbHGNZGmu3CosKzdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNd9HG5RiBrzNwHCGE-oXZ4Yj4-5Xi7erWoGcorrdHGPTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFMEMPiCy_5zdU1s8hCT=6p11f40_ZTv-QbHGNZGmu3CosKzdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d50c7491-ede2-7f25-ea4d-52b7d43ad45d@gmail.com>

I suggest putting? the auction notice up on this list?? It just might sell.

On 9/1/2020 8:50 AM, William Props wrote:
> There was one at a local military radio auction earlier this year. I 
> was overwhelmed with what I had bought otherwise I would have grabbed 
> it. Starting bid was $1 and it didn't sell. The auction company said 
> the lots that didn't sell would be sold again. I have yet to see it 
> and suspect anything that didn't sell went in the trash.
>
> Chris
> W4SVA
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 3:38 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com 
> <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Price is silly, but interesting to look at -
>     https://www.ebay.com/itm/124318664074
>
>     specs:
>     http://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/ww2/tcs/tn233-src-spec-01.JPG
>     http://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/ww2/tcs/tcs-tn233-01.JPG
>
>     Nick England K4NYW
>     www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
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From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 12:39:49 2020
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:39:49 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] RAK-7 available
Message-ID: <196732ca-44fa-b9d1-7e09-84cf258c12d2@gmail.com>

Hi,

I am bailing out and will start with my RAK-7. It has the original power 
supply and cable and it works. I am located in Michigan's central lower 
peninsula at Houghton Lake. Shipping this beast just is not an option. 
Somebody would have to come here (or near here) and pick it up. Coming 
here you can see it work. Is there any interest?

I plan to continue with some of my command receivers but part with some 
of them. I want to be kind to my heirs :)

73,

Bill  KU8H

-- 
bark less - wag more

From couryhouse at aol.com  Thu Sep  3 22:51:58 2020
From: couryhouse at aol.com (ED SHARPE)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 02:51:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] =?utf-8?q?history-of-the-quartz-crystal-industry-in-?=
 =?utf-8?b?dGhlLXVzYSAgIEVOSk9ZIcKgIEVEI8KgIMKgIFNNRUND?=
References: <964384909.2235412.1599187918457.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <964384909.2235412.1599187918457@mail.yahoo.com>


https://ieee-uffc.org/about-us/history/uffc-s-history/a-history-of-the-quartz-crystal-industry-in-the-usa
?ENJOY!? ED#? ? SMECC
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From ersmar at verizon.net  Fri Sep  4 02:04:13 2020
From: ersmar at verizon.net (Gene Smar)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 02:04:13 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus]
	=?utf-8?q?history-of-the-quartz-crystal-industry-in-?=
	=?utf-8?b?dGhlLXVzYSAgIEVOSk9ZIcKgIEVEI8KgIMKgIFNNRUND?=
In-Reply-To: <964384909.2235412.1599187918457@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <964384909.2235412.1599187918457.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<964384909.2235412.1599187918457@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d68281$375333c0$a5f99b40$@verizon.net>

I?ve read this article a couple of times over the years.  Very interesting about the strategic importance of not only the crystal manufacturing processes, but also the material sources in South America.  Probably more important than the Manhattan Project in the early days/years of the war.

 

 

73 de

Gene Smar  AD3F

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ED SHARPE via Milsurplus
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 10:52 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] history-of-the-quartz-crystal-industry-in-the-usa ENJOY!  ED#    SMECC

 

 

https://ieee-uffc.org/about-us/history/uffc-s-history/a-history-of-the-quartz-crystal-industry-in-the-usa

 

ENJOY!  ED#    SMECC

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 18:35:00 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 18:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Interesting WW2 story - SX-28 wanted
Message-ID: <CAB55hNc7vsg0SLjaJHi4ArXAG0=xY+2O3VkVKSz+ncAVkvj_bQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://swap.qth.com/send-to-friend.php?counter=1503742
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From dennis.monticelli at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 18:42:15 2020
From: dennis.monticelli at gmail.com (Dennis Monticelli)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 15:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] A good book on the crystal effort in WW2
Message-ID: <CADgAsSRNHUmkZRPM80S3Lh7GbqpyyFH_ewHngZsdmrMTce6gAg@mail.gmail.com>

Gene,
Someone who enjoys that article as much as you do would find the
following book interesting as it goes into much more history and detail.

"Crystal Clear"  "The Struggle for Reliable Communications Technology in
WW2"
By Richard J Thomphson Jr
c2007 IEEE Press

Dennis AE6C
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From w2hx at w2hx.com  Sun Sep  6 16:57:31 2020
From: w2hx at w2hx.com (W2HX)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 20:57:31 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-610 humor
Message-ID: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>

>From an old friend of mine...Heaviest objects in the universe.
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Sep  6 19:46:55 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 23:46:55 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-610 humor
In-Reply-To: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269076239567BE6FC52ECF0E42B0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Wait. The "most dense mass":  BC-312 series.

-Hue Miller
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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Sun Sep  6 20:17:01 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:17:01 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-610 humor
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269076239567BE6FC52ECF0E42B0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>,
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Message-ID: <5F557BFD.10851.1EE63B8@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 6 Sep 2020 at 23:46, Hubert Miller wrote:

> 
>     Wait. The "most dense mass":? BC-312 series.
>     ?
>     -Hue Miller

Yes.

Many years ago, a friend (Bob Preston W7DPG) and I lifted a complete BC-610E out of the 
back of his pickup, carrried it into his shack, and set it, carefully, on the floor.

We didn't find out until much later that it weighed over 400 lbs.

I wouldn't attempt that at my present age and condition....

We eventually found that the BC-610, when properly modified, makes a "superb" 2600 watt 
linear amplifier for MARS use.

The power supply is good for 3 kV at over 1 amp continuous duty. Amazing. We used 3B28 
rectifiers.

We used a pair of 304TLs in Class B. IMD was probably not very good, but at that time we 
didn't know any better. And no one ever complained.

We were doing phone patching into SEA for AFMARS at the time.

Ken W7EKB



From pfthekan at gmail.com  Sun Sep  6 20:35:40 2020
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 17:35:40 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-610 humor
In-Reply-To: <5F557BFD.10851.1EE63B8@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<MWHPR22MB0269076239567BE6FC52ECF0E42B0@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<5F557BFD.10851.1EE63B8@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
Message-ID: <CAK4LMKPr9ReuCK8x6daoTGq-uR4tCzJTFUVdsDtvsdsoaXbTaQ@mail.gmail.com>

For me the heaviest (smallest) radio that I have ever had to move was the
WW2 Navy TDZ xmtr at 700 lbs. Its about the same size as a BC 610. I was 18
and loaded 2 of these in my '65 El Camino by myself and it was like taxing
a tail dragger all the way to my friends house.

Paul
N6FEG

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 5:18 PM Kenneth G. Gordon <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
wrote:

> On 6 Sep 2020 at 23:46, Hubert Miller wrote:
>
> >
> >     Wait. The "most dense mass":  BC-312 series.
> >
> >     -Hue Miller
>
> Yes.
>
> Many years ago, a friend (Bob Preston W7DPG) and I lifted a complete
> BC-610E out of the
> back of his pickup, carrried it into his shack, and set it, carefully, on
> the floor.
>
> We didn't find out until much later that it weighed over 400 lbs.
>
> I wouldn't attempt that at my present age and condition....
>
> We eventually found that the BC-610, when properly modified, makes a
> "superb" 2600 watt
> linear amplifier for MARS use.
>
> The power supply is good for 3 kV at over 1 amp continuous duty. Amazing.
> We used 3B28
> rectifiers.
>
> We used a pair of 304TLs in Class B. IMD was probably not very good, but
> at that time we
> didn't know any better. And no one ever complained.
>
> We were doing phone patching into SEA for AFMARS at the time.
>
> Ken W7EKB
>
>
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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Sun Sep  6 21:40:43 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Ken)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 18:40:43 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-312 isssues
Message-ID: <20200907013545.8234117545B@filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>

Which reminds me: I have two nearly pristine BC-312s, BOTH of which are missing the "fiducial" in the dial.Anyone have a solution for this?Ken W7EKBSent via my Samsung Galaxy, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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From mharmon at att.net  Sun Sep  6 21:54:04 2020
From: mharmon at att.net (Michael D. Harmon)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 20:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor
References: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>

So far, my heaviest boatanchor is the power pedestal for my KWS-1.? I 
wouldn't even want to guess the weight of a KW-1!

Mike, WB0LDJ


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Sep  6 23:09:31 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 03:09:31 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 28 volt transformer question ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026905D02726E53B9BD300F3E4280@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I had this AM-FM broadcast receiver, with step tuning, and the logic developed a problem.
As you know, these are impractical to repair, with this kind of problem, uneconomical.
Well, in my city, there is very limited collection of ewaste, and an irrational I think, regulation
of categories. So instead of tossing the whole thing in the garbage, I disassembled it, tossed
the cabinet and chassis in the recycle, and the circuit boards in the regular garbage.
I found that the power transformer is 28-0-28 volts and looks good for a steady 5+ amp. What
I'm wondering, should I keep this for a dynamotor spinnner, for dynos like the command sets
or RU-GF class? With a filter cap, the output should stay "near" 28 volts under load. You just
don't want to have such PS charged up to peak and then connect it to the load, which might
be hard on tubes. Or what if I just used it without filter cap, to spin a dynamotor? Or instead,
go ahead with a multiple thousands mFd filter cap and maybe a small series resistance to
adjust voltage under load?
Many years ago I used such a brute force supply I bought from Fair Radio to power an ARR-15
receiver. At that time, I didn't even think to worry about the exact output voltage.
So what about this transformer? 24 volts would be preferable but the price on this one was
right.
-Hue Miller
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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Mon Sep  7 01:13:23 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 05:13:23 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor
In-Reply-To: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
References: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588.ref@att.net>,
	<2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB24226B69E7B8D9E00E93C8DFF5280@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I'd like to see a contest for heaviest boat anchor. I'm thinking it could be a Army-Navy thing by starting it off with the SCR-399:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/708261478871342948/
[https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5d/f0/fd/5df0fda76ed15a50e5e46a23818f59a0.jpg]<https://www.pinterest.com/pin/708261478871342948/>
Components of the SCR-399 (shelter mounted SCR-299). Both sets were manufactured by Hallicrafters, and were first introduced d? | Work truck, Radio, Operation torch<https://www.pinterest.com/pin/708261478871342948/>
Dec 9, 2017 - Components of the SCR-399 (shelter mounted SCR-299). Both sets were manufactured by Hallicrafters, and were first introduced during the Operation Torch landings.
www.pinterest.com
and also the Navy's FRR-59:

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/national_frr_59_frr_59afrr5.html

Sean

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From ke4drj at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 01:24:31 2020
From: ke4drj at gmail.com (KE4DRJ)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 01:24:31 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR19MB24226B69E7B8D9E00E93C8DFF5280@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588.ref@att.net>
	<2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
	<BYAPR19MB24226B69E7B8D9E00E93C8DFF5280@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEb2iPPQheJWG1YAB=xMyypAP6r2Ovp+JHKk43VTGibjjb0r9g@mail.gmail.com>

I could throw my hat in the ring with a Navy an/srt-14.
 73 Joey ke4drj

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 01:15 Sean Kelly <Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> wrote:

> I'd like to see a contest for heaviest boat anchor. I'm thinking it could
> be a Army-Navy thing by starting it off with the SCR-399:
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 05:43:38 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 05:43:38 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor
In-Reply-To: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
References: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588.ref@att.net>
	<2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNciX2p4BNka_U89LO=ti77eQ9VqsM5ai56X9QyWY6g-5Q@mail.gmail.com>

My AN/FRR-24 weighs over 3000 lbs and it is just a receiver.
Cheers
Nick


On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:54 PM Michael D. Harmon <mharmon at att.net> wrote:

> So far, my heaviest boatanchor is the power pedestal for my KWS-1.  I
>
> wouldn't even want to guess the weight of a KW-1!
>
>
>
> Mike, WB0LDJ
>
>
>
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>
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>
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From scr287 at att.net  Mon Sep  7 10:05:41 2020
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:05:41 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Comm check
References: <e68075e8-49a3-2c63-73b4-ed2731f3ee18.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <e68075e8-49a3-2c63-73b4-ed2731f3ee18@att.net>

Messages to list being rejected as the Hormel meat product.

Just a test

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA

From scr287 at att.net  Mon Sep  7 10:11:16 2020
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:11:16 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] More comm check
References: <f1743307-7482-08af-567d-8231b103a927.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <f1743307-7482-08af-567d-8231b103a927@att.net>

So a message was rejected, I sent the test message
which went through. I then resent the original message
and it was rejected. Just trying to figure out what
triggered the rejection.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA

From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 10:47:16 2020
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:47:16 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] 28 volt transformer question ?
In-Reply-To: <277066253.3096254.1599489727957@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026905D02726E53B9BD300F3E4280@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<277066253.3096254.1599489727957@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABdVoaA7M-DuC0Uj01L=WLNKWWXZ24HcnkJ0BOeE64KVf_ESBQ@mail.gmail.com>

 I disagree.    If for a receiver,  the current draw is constant and a
suitable dropping resistor can be used.    I've done this frequently with
ARC-5 receivers.

Or, just put a variac in front of it and drop the input voltage.

Mark K3MSB

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:42 AM J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

> Using that xfmr with full wave rectification and filter cap would yield
> about 39 volts out.
> So, it's a good candidate for the scrap yard.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 11:10:08 PM EDT, Hubert Miller <
> kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> I had this AM-FM broadcast receiver, with step tuning, and the logic
> developed a problem.
>
> As you know, these are impractical to repair, with this kind of problem,
> uneconomical.
>
> Well, in my city, there is very limited collection of ewaste, and an
> irrational I think, regulation
>
> of categories. So instead of tossing the whole thing in the garbage, I
> disassembled it, tossed
>
> the cabinet and chassis in the recycle, and the circuit boards in the
> regular garbage.
> I found that the power transformer is 28-0-28 volts and looks good for a
> steady 5+ amp. What
>
> I'm wondering, should I keep this for a dynamotor spinnner, for dynos like
> the command sets
>
> or RU-GF class? With a filter cap, the output should stay "near" 28 volts
> under load. You just
>
> don't want to have such PS charged up to peak and then connect it to the
> load, which might
>
> be hard on tubes. Or what if I just used it without filter cap, to spin a
> dynamotor? Or instead,
>
> go ahead with a multiple thousands mFd filter cap and maybe a small series
> resistance to
>
> adjust voltage under load?
> Many years ago I used such a brute force supply I bought from Fair Radio
> to power an ARR-15
>
> receiver. At that time, I didn't even think to worry about the exact
> output voltage.
>
> So what about this transformer? 24 volts would be preferable but the price
> on this one was
>
> right.
>
> -Hue Miller
> ______________________________________________________________
> ARC5 mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/arc5
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From ranickel at comcast.net  Mon Sep  7 10:48:29 2020
From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 09:48:29 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNciX2p4BNka_U89LO=ti77eQ9VqsM5ai56X9QyWY6g-5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588.ref@att.net>
	<2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
	<CAB55hNciX2p4BNka_U89LO=ti77eQ9VqsM5ai56X9QyWY6g-5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <212d617b-7d2b-0084-2f8c-07fe64fc1c57@comcast.net>

On 9/7/2020 4:43 AM, Nick England wrote:
> My AN/FRR-24 weighs over 3000 lbs and it is just a receiver.

My Collins BC transmitter is over 1/2 ton and the GPT-750 tips the scale 
around 850, but what would really be cool is for K9WT to "weight in" on 
this topic ;-)

73, W9RAN


From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Mon Sep  7 11:04:43 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 11:04:43 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] 28 volt transformer question ?
In-Reply-To: <CABdVoaA7M-DuC0Uj01L=WLNKWWXZ24HcnkJ0BOeE64KVf_ESBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026905D02726E53B9BD300F3E4280@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<277066253.3096254.1599489727957@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABdVoaA7M-DuC0Uj01L=WLNKWWXZ24HcnkJ0BOeE64KVf_ESBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8f6a2a4-075f-1927-899a-d82900b84f52@comcast.net>

39 volts is plenty of head room for a simple voltage regulating 
circuit.? I've done this many times.

Richard, AA1P

On 9/7/20 10:47 AM, Mark K3MSB wrote:
> I disagree. ?? If for a receiver,? the current draw is constant and a 
> suitable dropping resistor can be used.??? I've done this frequently 
> with ARC-5 receivers.
>
> Or, just put a variac in front of it and drop the input voltage.
>
> Mark K3MSB
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:42 AM J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net 
> <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>
>     Using that xfmr with full wave rectification and filter cap would
>     yield about 39 volts out.
>     So, it's a good candidate for the scrap yard.
>
>
>
>     On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 11:10:08 PM EDT, Hubert Miller
>     <kargo_cult at msn.com <mailto:kargo_cult at msn.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     I had this AM-FM broadcast receiver, with step tuning, and the
>     logic developed a problem.
>
>     As you know, these are impractical to repair, with this kind of
>     problem, uneconomical.
>
>     Well, in my city, there is very limited collection of ewaste, and
>     an irrational I think, regulation
>
>     of categories. So instead of tossing the whole thing in the
>     garbage, I disassembled it, tossed
>
>     the cabinet and chassis in the recycle, and the circuit boards in
>     the regular garbage.
>     I found that the power transformer is 28-0-28 volts and looks good
>     for a steady 5+ amp. What
>
>     I'm wondering, should I keep this for a dynamotor spinnner, for
>     dynos like the command sets
>
>     or RU-GF class? With a filter cap, the output should stay "near"
>     28 volts under load. You just
>
>     don't want to have such PS charged up to peak and then connect it
>     to the load, which might
>
>     be hard on tubes. Or what if I just used it without filter cap, to
>     spin a dynamotor? Or instead,
>
>     go ahead with a multiple thousands mFd filter cap and maybe a
>     small series resistance to
>
>     adjust voltage under load?
>     Many years ago I used such a brute force supply I bought from Fair
>     Radio to power an ARR-15
>
>     receiver. At that time, I didn't even think to worry about the
>     exact output voltage.
>
>     So what about this transformer? 24 volts would be preferable but
>     the price on this one was
>
>     right.
>
>     -Hue Miller
>
>
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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 11:04:23 2020
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 11:04:23 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] 28 volt transformer question ?
In-Reply-To: <1915481454.3106747.1599490649288@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026905D02726E53B9BD300F3E4280@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<277066253.3096254.1599489727957@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABdVoaA7M-DuC0Uj01L=WLNKWWXZ24HcnkJ0BOeE64KVf_ESBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1915481454.3106747.1599490649288@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABdVoaCg229Su7vK500ZVsD-=1ej_PffcJfFfpXyqjP9cLfM2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Oh sure.   But, when you need something "now",  Old Rube beats the Greenies
hands down in my book.

Agreed about the variac.   I usually find them at hamfests and will pick up
3 to 5A units for $5 to $10.   Nice to have a supply on hand.  The best
place is the corporate dumpster.   We moved facilities a few  years ago and
I salvaged about 4 or 5 units.   They were fine;  not sure why they were in
the dumpster,  but we were told dumpster diving is permitted and
encouraged......

73 Mark K3MSB

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:57 AM J Mcvey <ac2eu at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, it might be a great setup in a cold shack. It would get a 25 watt
> resistor nice and toasty.
> I did things like that when I was a kid who only had "available materials"
> to work with.
> Yes, it works, but it's wasting power in the "brave new green world" and
> rather Rube Golberg-ish.
> The variac would be my choice.
> Better yet, a transformer better suited for the task.
>
> On Monday, September 7, 2020, 10:47:30 AM EDT, Mark K3MSB <
> mark.k3msb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I disagree.    If for a receiver,  the current draw is constant and a
> suitable dropping resistor can be used.    I've done this frequently with
> ARC-5 receivers.
>
> Or, just put a variac in front of it and drop the input voltage.
>
> Mark K3MSB
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:42 AM J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
>
> Using that xfmr with full wave rectification and filter cap would yield
> about 39 volts out.
> So, it's a good candidate for the scrap yard.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 11:10:08 PM EDT, Hubert Miller <
> kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> I had this AM-FM broadcast receiver, with step tuning, and the logic
> developed a problem.
>
> As you know, these are impractical to repair, with this kind of problem,
> uneconomical.
>
> Well, in my city, there is very limited collection of ewaste, and an
> irrational I think, regulation
>
> of categories. So instead of tossing the whole thing in the garbage, I
> disassembled it, tossed
>
> the cabinet and chassis in the recycle, and the circuit boards in the
> regular garbage.
> I found that the power transformer is 28-0-28 volts and looks good for a
> steady 5+ amp. What
>
> I'm wondering, should I keep this for a dynamotor spinnner, for dynos like
> the command sets
>
> or RU-GF class? With a filter cap, the output should stay "near" 28 volts
> under load. You just
>
> don't want to have such PS charged up to peak and then connect it to the
> load, which might
>
> be hard on tubes. Or what if I just used it without filter cap, to spin a
> dynamotor? Or instead,
>
> go ahead with a multiple thousands mFd filter cap and maybe a small series
> resistance to
>
> adjust voltage under load?
> Many years ago I used such a brute force supply I bought from Fair Radio
> to power an ARR-15
>
> receiver. At that time, I didn't even think to worry about the exact
> output voltage.
>
> So what about this transformer? 24 volts would be preferable but the price
> on this one was
>
> right.
>
> -Hue Miller
> ______________________________________________________________
> ARC5 mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/arc5
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:ARC5 at mailman.qth.net
>
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> Please help support this email list: https://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 11:08:19 2020
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 11:08:19 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] 28 volt transformer question ?
In-Reply-To: <d8f6a2a4-075f-1927-899a-d82900b84f52@comcast.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB026905D02726E53B9BD300F3E4280@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<277066253.3096254.1599489727957@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABdVoaA7M-DuC0Uj01L=WLNKWWXZ24HcnkJ0BOeE64KVf_ESBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<d8f6a2a4-075f-1927-899a-d82900b84f52@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CABdVoaBVwQX_gUM0YVON0kqM1LoRsu9hHHe0GPgvoHjsZggL2A@mail.gmail.com>

This is what I use in my main 28V ARC-5 RX supply;  cap input filter then a
regulator with pass transistor.

Mark K3MSB


On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 11:04 AM Richard <brunneraa1p at comcast.net> wrote:

> 39 volts is plenty of head room for a simple voltage regulating  circuit.
> I've done this many times.
>
> Richard, AA1P
> On 9/7/20 10:47 AM, Mark K3MSB wrote:
>
> I disagree.    If for a receiver,  the current draw is constant and a
> suitable dropping resistor can be used.    I've done this frequently with
> ARC-5 receivers.
>
> Or, just put a variac in front of it and drop the input voltage.
>
> Mark K3MSB
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:42 AM J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Using that xfmr with full wave rectification and filter cap would yield
>> about 39 volts out.
>> So, it's a good candidate for the scrap yard.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 11:10:08 PM EDT, Hubert Miller <
>> kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had this AM-FM broadcast receiver, with step tuning, and the logic
>> developed a problem.
>>
>> As you know, these are impractical to repair, with this kind of problem,
>> uneconomical.
>>
>> Well, in my city, there is very limited collection of ewaste, and an
>> irrational I think, regulation
>>
>> of categories. So instead of tossing the whole thing in the garbage, I
>> disassembled it, tossed
>>
>> the cabinet and chassis in the recycle, and the circuit boards in the
>> regular garbage.
>> I found that the power transformer is 28-0-28 volts and looks good for a
>> steady 5+ amp. What
>>
>> I'm wondering, should I keep this for a dynamotor spinnner, for dynos
>> like the command sets
>>
>> or RU-GF class? With a filter cap, the output should stay "near" 28 volts
>> under load. You just
>>
>> don't want to have such PS charged up to peak and then connect it to the
>> load, which might
>>
>> be hard on tubes. Or what if I just used it without filter cap, to spin a
>> dynamotor? Or instead,
>>
>> go ahead with a multiple thousands mFd filter cap and maybe a small
>> series resistance to
>>
>> adjust voltage under load?
>> Many years ago I used such a brute force supply I bought from Fair Radio
>> to power an ARR-15
>>
>> receiver. At that time, I didn't even think to worry about the exact
>> output voltage.
>>
>> So what about this transformer? 24 volts would be preferable but the
>> price on this one was
>>
>> right.
>>
>> -Hue Miller
>>
>
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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Mon Sep  7 12:32:13 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:32:13 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor
In-Reply-To: <212d617b-7d2b-0084-2f8c-07fe64fc1c57@comcast.net>
References: <2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588.ref@att.net>
	<2ee1db47-7c15-9a83-3320-3b8366fdb588@att.net>
	<CAB55hNciX2p4BNka_U89LO=ti77eQ9VqsM5ai56X9QyWY6g-5Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<212d617b-7d2b-0084-2f8c-07fe64fc1c57@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB242280E48D1F5CDE51233153F5280@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Perhaps until he does 'weigh in', we can put your rigs together to count as one transmitter-receiver.

Sean
________________________________
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Heaviest Boatanchor

On 9/7/2020 4:43 AM, Nick England wrote:
> My AN/FRR-24 weighs over 3000 lbs and it is just a receiver.

My Collins BC transmitter is over 1/2 ton and the GPT-750 tips the scale
around 850, but what would really be cool is for K9WT to "weight in" on
this topic ;-)

73, W9RAN
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From ark at ar88.net  Mon Sep  7 00:42:05 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 00:42:05 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-610 humor
In-Reply-To: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
References: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <379fab7e-f7d5-dccb-db5b-b89c19f0b59b@ar88.net>

You're all a bunch of wimps.? When men were men, and the radios were 
iron <http://www.ar88.net/videos/BC-610_Install.m4v>.

On 9/6/2020 4:57 PM, W2HX wrote:
>
> From an old friend of mine?Heaviest objects in the universe.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      

-- 
Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  7 12:50:51 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:50:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rare part sought
References: <1831375270.3136084.1599497452007.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1831375270.3136084.1599497452007@mail.yahoo.com>

I am in need of at least one MC-163 'Connector Clamp'.? This item fits on the end of the phenolic tube that protrudes out the sides of various aircraft and funnels the trailing wire antenna from the wire reel, into the tube and is also the RF connection to the wire.? It will have an opening on one end that is about 1 inch in diameter that takes the phenolic tube,, opposite it a smaller opening for the wire, and at the bottom a slip in terminal for the single RF lead with one screw to secure it.? It is not very big, maybe 2 1/2 inces square, and may be on your junk box as a 'Wonder what this is' thing you just held on to.? ? I have attached a pic, but do not know if it will show up.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From gfsmith at cox.net  Mon Sep  7 20:50:35 2020
From: gfsmith at cox.net (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 17:50:35 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] BC-610 humor
In-Reply-To: <379fab7e-f7d5-dccb-db5b-b89c19f0b59b@ar88.net>
References: <880a802f5fa7430b9f713fbf01bb5dd6@EXBE015SV3.NA02.MSEXCHANGEOUTLOOK.COM>
	<379fab7e-f7d5-dccb-db5b-b89c19f0b59b@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.290.1599532374.3112.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>

OMG.....look at all that wonderful black wrinkle paint :)

73, Gordon KJ6IKT

At 09:42 PM 9/6/2020, Al Klase wrote:
>You're all a bunch of wimps.  When men were men, 
>and <http://www.ar88.net/videos/BC-610_Install.m4v>the radios were iron.
>
>On 9/6/2020 4:57 PM, W2HX wrote:
>> From an old friend of mine
Heaviest objects in the universe.
>>[]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Al Klase ? N3FRQ
>Jersey City, NJ
><http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/>http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
>
>
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep  8 04:19:05 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 08:19:05 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rough night in Newport Oregon
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269B2C65C299CC071A33078E4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>


Tonite the sunset was blotted out by smokey grey skies from fires 60 to 200 miles away. High winds are downing trees and power on Hwy 101. NPR radio stations are having emergency evacuation orders for Flynn Rock  and Otis OR. Meanwhile at this moment 2 crew from FV Legend are exiting the vessel in survival suits to make their way to shore, where a beach team will try to get them. I'm hearing this on VHF 22. Coast Guard said high winds and smoke prevented chopper from air rescue, and boat was on rocks breaking up, too shallow for CG rescue boat to reach, so will try for beach rescue. Captain of FV sounded remarkably composed for someone in that position. CG will try to track them in dark by flashing beacon strobe on survival suit. My oh my, what a night.
-Hue Miller


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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Tue Sep  8 07:38:42 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 11:38:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rough night in Newport Oregon
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269B2C65C299CC071A33078E4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269B2C65C299CC071A33078E4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR19MB2430EC5820CB6FB6FF29B714F5290@MN2PR19MB2430.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hue,

I read they had to stop a rescue effort NE of Fresno, CA due to smoke. Also noticed I can smell some here in Seattle which reminds me of two summers ago.

Sean
________________________________
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rough night in Newport Oregon


Tonite the sunset was blotted out by smokey grey skies from fires 60 to 200 miles away. High winds are downing trees and power on Hwy 101. NPR radio stations are having emergency evacuation orders for Flynn Rock  and Otis OR. Meanwhile at this moment 2 crew from FV Legend are exiting the vessel in survival suits to make their way to shore, where a beach team will try to get them. I'm hearing this on VHF 22. Coast Guard said high winds and smoke prevented chopper from air rescue, and boat was on rocks breaking up, too shallow for CG rescue boat to reach, so will try for beach rescue. Captain of FV sounded remarkably composed for someone in that position. CG will try to track them in dark by flashing beacon strobe on survival suit. My oh my, what a night.
-Hue Miller


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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Sep  8 07:55:47 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 06:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rough night in Newport Oregon
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR19MB2430EC5820CB6FB6FF29B714F5290@MN2PR19MB2430.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269B2C65C299CC071A33078E4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<MN2PR19MB2430EC5820CB6FB6FF29B714F5290@MN2PR19MB2430.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <db77259f-f4a0-dc1e-cb63-18e6b56aa7b0@ix.netcom.com>

I remember the Yellowstone fires of 1988.
I was working at the Nevada Test Site.
Yucca Flats filled with smoke.? That's 600 miles.
Couldn't even seen the flying saucers for it.

73 Dave S.


On 9/8/2020 6:38 AM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> Hue,
>
> I read they had to stop a rescue effort NE of Fresno, CA due to smoke. 
> Also noticed I can smell some here in Seattle which reminds me of two 
> summers ago.
>
> Sean
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>


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From jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  8 08:03:36 2020
From: jamesbenedict01 at hotmail.com (James Benedict)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:03:36 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX-8
Message-ID: <BN6PR1201MB00810EF408FB6602CB45E8A9A8290@BN6PR1201MB0081.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>


Anyone uses the TBX series for an AM base station and what amplifier do you use?
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Tue Sep  8 08:15:46 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:15:46 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Rough night in Newport Oregon
In-Reply-To: <db77259f-f4a0-dc1e-cb63-18e6b56aa7b0@ix.netcom.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269B2C65C299CC071A33078E4290@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<MN2PR19MB2430EC5820CB6FB6FF29B714F5290@MN2PR19MB2430.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>,
	<db77259f-f4a0-dc1e-cb63-18e6b56aa7b0@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR19MB243029A464E2B8616BB841DBF5290@MN2PR19MB2430.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Oh! Arrestingly humorous, Dave! ?

Sean

Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Rough night in Newport Oregon


I remember the Yellowstone fires of 1988.
I was working at the Nevada Test Site.
Yucca Flats filled with smoke.  That's 600 miles.
Couldn't even seen the flying saucers for it.

73 Dave S.
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From ramcam at magma.ca  Tue Sep  8 17:12:17 2020
From: ramcam at magma.ca (Ralph Cameron)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 17:12:17 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Type 48 manpack radio power connector
Message-ID: <23040.1599599537@magma.ca>

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Am
looking for the female 5 pin amphenol power connector for the above
Canadian type 48 manpack radio. Connector is approx 3/4" face diam.
Please drop me a note offline if available. 
 Thanks 
 Ralph, VE3BBM
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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Thu Sep 10 13:41:42 2020
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:41:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Military Radio Field Day at Fort Miles Delaware
Message-ID: <DM5PR0201MB351291C6640ED7D5E111FCC6B8270@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I am planning on dragging the mutt out to Cape Henlopen Delaware State Parks Fort Miles complex and setting up there for the Military Radio Field Day -2020, September 26th.
Will be operating the AN/GRC-106 on 20, 40 and 60 meters along with taking part in the MMRCG 7.296 USB net and the MRCA 5.357 USB net that day, I am also working on running TTY from that location in the morning.
The fort Miles Military park will be open and I think they will also be giving tours of the bunker showing off the sixteen-inch gun, plotting room and magazines.
I will have equipment for 51.0 at the site and if we can coordinate something on 51.0 can set up the AS-2851 Log Periodic and give that a try.
If anyone is interested in visiting or operating at that site please contact me off list, for just stopping by the Fort Miles section will be open to the public from 1000 to 1600 hours that Saturday.
I will also have something there for portable operation on 51.0 or 144.25 AM or FM if anyone wants to come by and do a simplex between my location and the top of Tower 7

Here is a link for Fort Miles:
https://www.destateparks.com/FortMiles

Ray F/KA3EKH
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From farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 16:53:13 2020
From: farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com (Rob Flory)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:53:13 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBX and Amplifier(?)
Message-ID: <CAFcNxxUo9pFDFym4d+Yc_+pkk8Kyu0pu3LnU=nNZC5a8xHjRXw@mail.gmail.com>

You could do that, but you will then be limited by the receiver instead of
the transmitter.

This is from a 100 mile or so TBX to TBX QSO but with pre-8 models, not
that it would make much difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abDlb-qjLUA

RF/K2WI
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From mjmorrow54 at epbfi.com  Thu Sep 10 18:14:33 2020
From: mjmorrow54 at epbfi.com (Mike Morrow)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:14:33 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] More comm check
In-Reply-To: FHrbkwvoWzuJdFHrckHYTn
References: <f1743307-7482-08af-567d-8231b103a927.ref@att.net>
	FHrbkwvoWzuJdFHrckHYTn
Message-ID: <EEEFD839B87049BEA6E4F274EFCFC7CA@WINDOWSJ637JG7>

Been wondering why it is so quiet...
MIKE MORROW
WA4NYT

-----Original Message-----
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack Antonio
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 10:11 AM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] More comm check

So a message was rejected, I sent the test message
which went through. I then resent the original message
and it was rejected. Just trying to figure out what
triggered the rejection.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA
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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 10 18:51:37 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:51:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Milsurplus] More comm check
Message-ID: <1492485374.9045.1599778297539@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That is a different Mike Morrow.  I was confused for a second.

Mike / KK5F


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Morrow <mjmorrow54 at epbfi.com>
>Sent: Sep 10, 2020 5:14 PM
>To: 'Jack Antonio' <scr287 at att.net>, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] More comm check
>
>Been wondering why it is so quiet...
>MIKE MORROW
>WA4NYT
>

From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Sep 11 18:26:39 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 22:26:39 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "Global Shipping Program"
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02695D7B72B0816ED1916CE8E4240@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I was looking at a manual offered for sale on Ebay but I see the postage
to U.S. from U.K. is L 38, more than the cost of the manual. I inquired
and learned this cost is due to Ebay's "Global Shipping". Aha, I should
have guessed. I bought earlier this year a large, heavy photo book from
the U.K. and the postage was quite reasonable; of course, Ebay had no
hand in it, no "added service value". I imagine for  an actual hardware
equipment, the overseas shipping Ebay adds might be truly breathtaking.
-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Sep 11 22:51:14 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 02:51:14 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269C281EA30AFEB0D01BB74E4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I bought off Ebay a front cover for the TBX-8 radio. My thinking was, I have several
TBXs of various suffixes, a couple without cover, and I thought I'd supply a cover with
the radio when I put these radios on Ebay. ( The "upgrade" plan has never worked out
financially for me though, I have to admit. )
What surprised me when I got it, is that the frequency chart pages inside the cover are
still in some kind of thin wrapping paper. I would have thought the TBX cover I bought
would be from some beater that was junked, but it appears this one, SN #284, was new.
Some sad story there, I'm sure, with the radio going one way, maybe to a local sale or
who knows what.
-Hue Miller
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From wcprops at vt.edu  Fri Sep 11 23:20:37 2020
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:20:37 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269C281EA30AFEB0D01BB74E4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269C281EA30AFEB0D01BB74E4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFMEMPikd=SBVrH7yH8_M0zjvnmCwtvKRTD244iT=SnibUFPDw@mail.gmail.com>

That's exactly what happened. #284 was sold at a local auction earlier this
year.

https://greenvalleyauctions.bidwrangler.com/ui/auctions/48303/3379305

Don't know who bought either piece. Quite a few pieces there got separated
in the shuffle.

Chris
W4SVA

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:51 PM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

> I bought off Ebay a front cover for the TBX-8 radio. My thinking was, I
> have several
>
> TBXs of various suffixes, a couple without cover, and I thought I'd supply
> a cover with
>
> the radio when I put these radios on Ebay. ( The "upgrade" plan has never
> worked out
>
> financially for me though, I have to admit. )
>
> What surprised me when I got it, is that the frequency chart pages inside
> the cover are
>
> still in some kind of thin wrapping paper. I would have thought the TBX
> cover I bought
>
> would be from some beater that was junked, but it appears this one, SN
> #284, was new.
>
> Some sad story there, I'm sure, with the radio going one way, maybe to a
> local sale or
>
> who knows what.
>
> -Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Sep 11 23:47:37 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 03:47:37 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPikd=SBVrH7yH8_M0zjvnmCwtvKRTD244iT=SnibUFPDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the info!
Actually, I am astonished, I had no expectation of course,
that anyone knew the rest of the story !

The realized prices at that auction are also astonishing, they are so reasonable.
Maybe like 20 years ago.
-Hue Miller

>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...

That's exactly what happened. #284 was sold at a local auction earlier this year.

https://greenvalleyauctions.bidwrangler.com/ui/auctions/48303/3379305<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreenvalleyauctions.bidwrangler.com%2Fui%2Fauctions%2F48303%2F3379305&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce3572f9524104231753008d856cb0b1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637354777342378547&sdata=E7vSTK5uZypYWlMuaEY6HWRI1uF4T4EmN%2BUPLBclNLM%3D&reserved=0>

Don't know who bought either piece. Quite a few pieces there got separated in the shuffle.

Chris
W4SVA
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Fri Sep 11 23:55:08 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 03:55:08 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 5686 6AS6 tube question
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269B3905FC3A5D40AFF75FEE4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Anyone know an equipment that uses 5686, 6AS6 tubes? I have a few of them
and don't recall what I removed them from. Wondering if they were used in
actual mil radios, not just test equipments.
-Hue Miller
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From jvendely at cfl.rr.com  Sat Sep 12 12:32:24 2020
From: jvendely at cfl.rr.com (jvendely at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:32:24 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 5686 6AS6 tube question
Message-ID: <235211219e960602266623bfb4ce47875accde4c@webmail>

The 6AS6 is very similar to the 6AK5, but with the suppressor grid
brought out to a separate pin rather than being internally connected
to the cathode. It was therefore commonly used as a mixer or as a
phantastron frequency divider. 

They are often found in frequency counters, oscilloscopes, radar
equipment (as range gates), and frequency synthesized toob radios of
the late 50's and early 60's, such as the TMC SBG-1 exciter, DDR-5
receiver and others, in which they serve as phantastron and
regenerative frequency dividers. 

The 6AS6 is a dime a dozen, which is fortunate since they often must
be selected for best operation in phantastron dividers. In such cases,
highest transconductance is not necessarily a reliable indicator of
good phantastron performance. The 6AS6s I've found to be most reliable
in my DDR-5 receivers were a bunch I found of Hitachi manufacture, all
of which tested rather low for transconductance. Perhaps Hitachi knew
something other manufacturers didn't...

73,

John K9WT

	-----------------------------------------From: "Hubert Miller" 
To: "milsurplus at mailman.qth.net", "main at Army-Radios.groups.io"
Cc: 
Sent: Friday September 11 2020 11:55:20PM
Subject: [Milsurplus] 5686 6AS6 tube question

	Anyone know an equipment that uses 5686, 6AS6 tubes? I have a few of
them 

	and don't recall what I removed them from. Wondering if they were
used in 

	actual mil radios, not just test equipments.  

	-Hue Miller
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From wcprops at vt.edu  Sat Sep 12 19:30:05 2020
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:30:05 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269F4D0644C41BF8B75FB58E4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269C281EA30AFEB0D01BB74E4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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The auction was originally to be held at the auction house but then moved
to online only. Many of the lots were poorly photographed and didn't show
everything that was being sold. Parts for what probably were complete sets
were scattered throughout the lots. Unless it was previewed in person, you
didn't know what you were getting! Lots of good deals though! In my opinion
no one paid too much for any of the stuff there.

Maybe #284 will resurface and be reunited with it's cover?

Chris
W4SVA

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 11:47 PM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the info!
>
> Actually, I am astonished, I had no expectation of course,
>
> that anyone knew the rest of the story !
>
>
>
> The realized prices at that auction are also astonishing, they are so
> reasonable.
>
> Maybe like 20 years ago.
>
> -Hue Miller
>
>
>
> *>Subject:* Re: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...
>
>
>
> That's exactly what happened. #284 was sold at a local auction earlier
> this year.
>
>
>
> https://greenvalleyauctions.bidwrangler.com/ui/auctions/48303/3379305
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreenvalleyauctions.bidwrangler.com%2Fui%2Fauctions%2F48303%2F3379305&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce3572f9524104231753008d856cb0b1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637354777342378547&sdata=E7vSTK5uZypYWlMuaEY6HWRI1uF4T4EmN%2BUPLBclNLM%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> Don't know who bought either piece. Quite a few pieces there got separated
> in the shuffle.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> W4SVA
>
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 19:43:52 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:43:52 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPg5j+7DCbhcv=yuJ2VxHafxTBYGnKNthF_JCOKoFynzTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB0269C281EA30AFEB0D01BB74E4250@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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Well, apparently the new owner of #284 wasn't looking at the other, bigger auction, because I was the only bidder.
I would reunite the two, but the time frame is limited.
I would have liked one of the GRR-5s sold there.
I dunno, maybe prices will now be generally headed back down. I suspect people are just not bidding much on
non-rare items. Really rare stuff will still bring money.
-Hue

From: On Behalf Of William Props
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:30 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] I bought a front cover for TBX...

The auction was originally to be held at the auction house but then moved to online only. Many of the lots were poorly photographed and didn't show everything that was being sold. Parts for what probably were complete sets were scattered throughout the lots. Unless it was previewed in person, you didn't know what you were getting! Lots of good deals though! In my opinion no one paid too much for any of the stuff there.

Maybe #284 will resurface and be reunited with it's cover?

Chris
W4SVA


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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 12:44:55 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 12:44:55 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] USN property tag numbers?
Message-ID: <CAB55hNdAU+OPKaBGGd+gGw95j1VWqvz_Qbw2h8UcQ-md4Qt+Ew@mail.gmail.com>

You've all seen them. Brass tags with what looks like a location code above
and a serial number below.  For example
     61842
U.S.N. PROPERTY
     000132

Any idea what the location code means????

Nick England K4NYW
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From djones at k6yic.com  Sun Sep 13 12:54:11 2020
From: djones at k6yic.com (Daniel Jones)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:54:11 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] USN property tag numbers?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNdAU+OPKaBGGd+gGw95j1VWqvz_Qbw2h8UcQ-md4Qt+Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdAU+OPKaBGGd+gGw95j1VWqvz_Qbw2h8UcQ-md4Qt+Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <231A4084-834F-4812-99EA-DCE98A6D2C06@K6YIC.com>

When I looked up the location code I found some BRAC stuff.  It must be the coding for the installation.  

61842 falls back to NAVMARCORESCEn Buffalo, NY. It was on the BRAC ?05 list.  

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/SECNAV%20Manuals/Shore%20Activities%20and%20Detachments%20Under%20the%20Command%20of%20Secretary%20of%20Navy%20and%20Chief%20of%20Naval%20Operations.pdf

It?s also on Page 25 here. 

Daniel 

K6YIC 
http://K6YIC.com

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 09:47, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> You've all seen them. Brass tags with what looks like a location code above and a serial number below.  For example
>      61842
> U.S.N. PROPERTY
>      000132
> 
> Any idea what the location code means????
> 
> Nick England K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 14:14:52 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:14:52 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] USN property tag numbers?
In-Reply-To: <CAG9SHKN=b2vOtbo5q+tECBtRhL6L17GU4wN+Wt5WtzwOwPKN1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNdAU+OPKaBGGd+gGw95j1VWqvz_Qbw2h8UcQ-md4Qt+Ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG9SHKN=b2vOtbo5q+tECBtRhL6L17GU4wN+Wt5WtzwOwPKN1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNeJZ6TnUR9g=wKSzTRwYFic_7TqsCZrZYrzZHH=hDUutA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Tim.
Daniel pointed to a document that lists the shore activity UICs.
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/SECNAV%20Manuals/Shore%20Activities%20and%20Detachments%20Under%20the%20Command%20of%20Secretary%20of%20Navy%20and%20Chief%20of%20Naval%20Operations.pdf

I also found this one for operational UICs (ships, etc)
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/SECNAV%20Manuals/Administrative%20Organization%20of%20the%20Operating%20Forces%20of%20the%20U.S.%20Navy.pdf

These are both up-to-date - I haven't found any historic listing yet.

I agree that the other number is an inventory number.
Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:57 PM Tim <timsamm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nick - I think those are referred to as UIC's...Unit Identification
> Codes (as opposed to a location).  The other number is probably just a
> local inventory number, maybe related to SECAS (Ships Equipment
> Configuration Accounting System) - which may be obsolete these days...
> Tim
> N6CC
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You've all seen them. Brass tags with what looks like a location code
>> above and a serial number below.  For example
>>      61842
>> U.S.N. PROPERTY
>>      000132
>>
>> Any idea what the location code means????
>>
>> Nick England K4NYW
>> www.navy-radio.com
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Sep 14 04:16:00 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:16:00 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Ship Radio Operators:
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269185E18DD12F29B58F6D7E4230@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Be sure you understand these message formats.

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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Sep 14 11:42:44 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:42:44 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Help with RAS Coil Box
Message-ID: <27a5c905-a021-7926-11bf-b8b8a914656c@ix.netcom.com>

Morning.
I'm trying to help a member with an RAS coil box.
Someone stripped off all the tags and the door latch.

If you're a "hardware guy,"? perhaps you can help
I'm trying to find a latch, but I don't know what it's called.
For example:? the kind that has a handle you lift up to
release a curved piece engaged with the other half is
called a "toggle latch."? One with a U-shaped wire that
engages the second piece is a "draw catch."

Here's a photo of what we need.? It's the part above the knob:
https://tinyurl.com/y384wuo3

The top part has a knob that slides up to unlatch from the
bottom part.?? What do we call this thing?

TNX OM DE Dave AB5S

P.S. If you have any RAS tags to donate to the cause,
many thanks.


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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Sep 14 11:50:08 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors] Help with RAS Coil Box
In-Reply-To: <27a5c905-a021-7926-11bf-b8b8a914656c@ix.netcom.com>
References: <27a5c905-a021-7926-11bf-b8b8a914656c@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <55ea7621-da6e-9233-f78d-a6c99a0d2fcc@ix.netcom.com>

I think I sent a locked link.
This one should work:
https://tinyurl.com/y384wuo3

On 9/14/2020 10:42 AM, David Stinson wrote:
> Morning.
> I'm trying to help a member with an RAS coil box.
> Someone stripped off all the tags and the door latch.
>
> If you're a "hardware guy,"? perhaps you can help
> I'm trying to find a latch, but I don't know what it's called.
> For example:? the kind that has a handle you lift up to
> release a curved piece engaged with the other half is
> called a "toggle latch."? One with a U-shaped wire that
> engages the second piece is a "draw catch."
>
> Here's a photo of what we need.? It's the part above the knob:
> https://tinyurl.com/y384wuo3
>
> The top part has a knob that slides up to unlatch from the
> bottom part.?? What do we call this thing?
>
> TNX OM DE Dave AB5S
>
> P.S. If you have any RAS tags to donate to the cause,
> many thanks.
>
>

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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 14 12:40:21 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:40:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Ship Radio Operators:
Message-ID: <1610869175.4830.1600101621854@wamui-marley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That's the first document I've seen that uses SSSS to indicate attack by submarine.  Everything else I've seen isSSS, sent:  dit dit dit (space) dit dit dit (space) dit dit ditThat contrasts withSOS, sent:  dit dit dit dah dah dah dit dit dit (one prosign, no spaces)
A WWII life boat 500 kHz transmitter made by Federal has selection for auto keying of SOS or SSS.
Hue, do you know the source of the document?  I also did not know of the A, R, M attack codes.  Interesting.
Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----

From: Hubert Miller 

Sent: Sep 14, 2020 3:16 AM
>
Be sure you understand these message formats.

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Sep 14 12:43:05 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Help with RAS Coil Box Solved
Message-ID: <35be8a22-ecaf-9dd3-4bd9-f9004d912ef5@ix.netcom.com>

Tom Bryan, N3AJA, is my hero for today!
The latch on the RAS coil box door is called
a "Nose-Up Slam Latch."

Are our people awesome or what?

TNX OM DE Dave AB5S


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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 12:53:43 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 12:53:43 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Ship Radio Operators:
In-Reply-To: <1610869175.4830.1600101621854@wamui-marley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1610869175.4830.1600101621854@wamui-marley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfo4T7FVn45yM+zbU9qX077TA9+1q6SYeEvxhnjBKge0w@mail.gmail.com>

See para 6074 of Communication Instructions, US Navy (DNC 6, 1939)
Chapter 6, Radio - see PDF page 7
http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/dnc6-39.pdf

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com


On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 12:40 PM Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net> wrote:

> That's the first document I've seen that uses SSSS to indicate attack by
> submarine.  Everything else I've seen isSSS, sent:  dit dit dit (space) dit
> dit dit (space) dit dit ditThat contrasts withSOS, sent:  dit dit dit dah
> dah dah dit dit dit (one prosign, no spaces)
> A WWII life boat 500 kHz transmitter made by Federal has selection for
> auto keying of SOS or SSS.
> Hue, do you know the source of the document?  I also did not know of the
> A, R, M attack codes.  Interesting.
> Mike / KK5F
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Hubert Miller
>
> Sent: Sep 14, 2020 3:16 AM
> >
> Be sure you understand these message formats.
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Sep 14 16:46:18 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:46:18 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Ship Radio Operators:
In-Reply-To: <1610869175.4830.1600101621854@wamui-marley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1610869175.4830.1600101621854@wamui-marley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02691CE908A423D3ABCC4DA8E4230@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Some years back, actually around 1985, I bought a variety of things from the estate of Royal Zinn, in West Seattle.
He had been a movie theater employee in Bisbee, AZ around 1930, then moved to Seattle, worked there in the 
theater business, then went to work for Alaska Steamship Co.  I bought a fair amount of interesting paper of all 
kinds:  movie posters and handbills, Bisbee photos, 1920s ship radio licenses, Sargent radio co. manuals, advertising, 
ship radio logs from Alaska voyages, all kinds of odds and ends. He had in the 1950s owned a West Seattle surplus
store, so there was tons of radio equipment also, in fact the basement was crammed full of wooden crates. I was the
right person at the right time, because who else invited there would have recognized the importance of the paper
and kept it from the trash dumpster. The estate buying was by invitation from Mr. Zinn's widow, and times and hours
were very limited. Someone before me had laid out some of the paper items but had chickened out and left because
he said the garage and such contained asbestos. Because of the moist air I figured any asbestos in the air would be
minimal and besides, I was not scraping the walls, even in the small confines of the attic area. It was a unique 
experience, truly, digging thru actual heaps of good and often amazing stuff.  After I moved to Omaha to keep my job, 
I heard there had been a final - final sale when the widow passed away. But I suspect that most of the wood crates in the
basement, some containing brand new MN-26 direction finders and such things, did wind up right in the trash. Mr. Zinn
had liked paper, and I'm so grateful to him for so-called packratting and saving so much fine stuff. 
That sheet was just in with various other odd paper items. I had thought it came from Alaska Steam, but your note 
inspired me to look it up. Per Wikipedia, 'Mount McKinley' AGC-7 / LCC-7 was flagship for an amphibious force. Possibly 
the ship visited Seattle during WW2 ? Now I am puzzled and have no explanation.

BTW, I have a theory that Allied ships of other countries visited Seattle and Portland and when there, some had their older
ship's radios changed out for the current U.S. equipment. I suggest this explains 2 of the 1930s type regen receivers I found 
in Seattle, one I know about in Portland, OR, and the 'Russian spark set' that a customer of our store in Seattle told me about,
back around 1978.
-Hue 


>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Ship Radio Operators:

That's the first document I've seen that uses SSSS to indicate attack by submarine.  Everything else I've seen isSSS, sent:  dit dit dit (space) dit dit dit (space) dit dit ditThat contrasts withSOS, sent:  dit dit dit dah dah dah dit dit dit (one prosign, no spaces) A WWII life boat 500 kHz transmitter made by Federal has selection for auto keying of SOS or SSS.
Hue, do you know the source of the document?  I also did not know of the A, R, M attack codes.  Interesting.
Mike / KK5F



From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep 15 22:33:36 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:33:36 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hacked ARR-7 question
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02692FF3342F2D1E0A8D421CE4210@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

This hacked ARR-7 on Ebay ( steal it at $399 ), what does this knob in place of the
snout do? It's not geared down, fine tuning, right? I'm thinking it's faster, coarser
tuning even than the normal tuning knob to the right.
-Hue Miller

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Sep 16 00:03:34 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:03:34 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Hacked ARR-7 question
In-Reply-To: <CAOcFux=GDVhX9L4rgAX3TEFjkBMX7FHWah2ziQzdAO-fP=urtw@mail.gmail.com>
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That was the first and most common 'conversion', to remove the snout, and 
I never understood that. I thought it looked much cooler with the snout than some 
useless knob there. Many years ago, I lusted for an ARR-7, even practiced fortitude
and passed up a nice one at the Rickreall hamfest for $125. Now when I read the old
R. E. Goodheart ads about their added SSB product detector, I wonder: no fine tuning,
how's that work out on, say, 14 MHz ? 
The only ARR-7 I would maybe want today would be the ARR-7AX, with the miniature
tubes.

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Wed Sep 16 04:34:33 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (arc5 at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 03:34:33 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hacked ARR-7 question
Message-ID: <9voum73mis6jvu5bngcb026e.1600245056779@email.lge.com>

The ANT connector has been replaced with a pilot light.? One can only imagine what other magical "improvements" are waiting inside to delight you.??
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From aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org  Wed Sep 16 08:04:10 2020
From: aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org (Michael Hanz)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:04:10 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5]  Hacked ARR-7 question
In-Reply-To: <9voum73mis6jvu5bngcb026e.1600245056779@email.lge.com>
References: <9voum73mis6jvu5bngcb026e.1600245056779@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <ae28c7f7-0cd1-cb8f-e97c-0a8d1e4c316c@aafradio.org>

On 9/16/2020 4:34 AM, arc5 at ix.netcom.com wrote:
> The ANT connector has been replaced with a pilot light.? One can only 
> imagine what other magical "improvements" are waiting inside to 
> delight you.

True that.? Not to mention the fact that a pilot light is already built 
into the set - the one behind the frequency dial.? That warm golden 
light is hard to miss.

But I have seen worse.? The set, an adaptation of the Hallicrafters 
SX-28 in an ARINC enclosure, is still my favorite WWII _aircraft_ 
receiver, passing the BC-348 only because of its IF selectivity 
options.? With the isolation stage tube socket jumpered with a small 
capacitor, it has identical specs to the SX-28A (with the exception of 
the audio output power, since it was only designed to serve headphones.)

Removing the adjustable stop limits for autosweep of a selected 
frequency range of interest seems to force radio buffs to do something 
with that bare shaft, thus the large knob.? I never understood it.? You 
can set the end points to the extreme, and the stops then don't function 
at all.? I guess it's the irresistible ham "need to fiddle" with things 
that already work but do no harm if not enabled.

73,
- Mike? KC4TOS


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From rob at k7tgu.com  Wed Sep 16 21:54:19 2020
From: rob at k7tgu.com (Rob Lee)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:54:19 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fastener inquiry
Message-ID: <9C16FBAED986466292F294BE123C2602@RadioRoom>

Anyone have a couple of these kicking around in their junk box? See attachment.

Thanks,

Rob
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Wed Sep 16 22:22:29 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:22:29 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fastener inquiry
In-Reply-To: <9C16FBAED986466292F294BE123C2602@RadioRoom>
References: <9C16FBAED986466292F294BE123C2602@RadioRoom>
Message-ID: <0cef01d68c99$64cd2820$2e677860$@eozinc.com>

That looks like the parts used on the TU tuning units for the BC-375/191 for
the tuning charts. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Rob Lee
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:54 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fastener inquiry

 

Anyone have a couple of these kicking around in their junk box? See
attachment.

 

Thanks,

 

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 22:22:51 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:22:51 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] AFSK RATT on AN/URC-32 > 2000 or 2550 Hz center?
Message-ID: <CAB55hNc_ogsUACvqw0boGEYmC+JaE6k9XDRuUwBmVoZxDH7MEA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm resurrecting a URC-32B, and will probably mainly use it for USB voice.
But I might hook it up for RATT operation too. As far as I can tell from
the manual, AFSK transmit it at 2000 +/425 cps, while receive tone is 2550
+/-425 cps. This makes it compatible with the AN/URA-8() RATT converters.
How was the URC-32 used with the CV-483 (URA-17) converters which have a
2000cps center freq? Does the BFO work in FSK receive?

Cheers,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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From rob at k7tgu.com  Thu Sep 17 17:02:39 2020
From: rob at k7tgu.com (Rob Lee)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:02:39 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fastener inquiry
References: <9C16FBAED986466292F294BE123C2602@RadioRoom>
	<007101d68d30$618ff7e0$24afe7a0$@com>
Message-ID: <5F44671A9C2D49A2B1C4B05ACFE15FDF@RadioRoom>

Robert,

I could have provided a little more info in the first place. These fasteners are 10-32 and used on the TN-233/SRC Transmission Line Tuner for the TCS series. Just need two of these. Hoping someone may have a couple in their junk box.

Rob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Downs 
  To: 'Rob Lee' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 13:23
  Subject: RE: [Milsurplus] Fastener inquiry


  Rob,

   

  You will have to say what the thread is and maybe what it is off of as similar captive screws were used on many sets with #6-32, #8-32 and #10-32 threads and maybe #10-24.

   

  Robert Downs

   

  From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rob Lee
  Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 20:54
  To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
  Subject: [Milsurplus] Fastener inquiry

   

  Anyone have a couple of these kicking around in their junk box? See attachment.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Rob
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From brian at flex-tel.com.au  Thu Sep 17 20:09:22 2020
From: brian at flex-tel.com.au (Brian Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 00:09:22 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 197, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12400.1600376588.3115.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.12400.1600376588.3115.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <SY3PR01MB212217973870253D33B95BECBE3F0@SY3PR01MB2122.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>



-----Original Message-----


  Anyone have a couple of these kicking around in their junk box? See attachment.

*****Dial lock actuator for AR88 family.
Best health wishes to all.

Brian g

   

  

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 22 00:16:55 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:16:55 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Oddball (to me) antenna connector?
In-Reply-To: <5DF1630A.3000809@earthlink.net>
References: <1832163065.1849.1576098341881@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5DF1630A.3000809@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1fb2811f-5a6b-5fc9-51e6-08a487664c0c@earthlink.net>

Every now and then, I come across a piece of equipment with the 
connector shown on the antenna at this link:

https://aeroantique.com/products/antenna-as-114-for-countermeasure-radar-an-apt-4-wwii-b-29-b-24?variant=32451588042

It looks like a fat N-connector, with an SO-239 receptacle pin in the 
center, BUT, it's 3/4"-26 (or 27, NOT 28).

I've seen a few on pics of WWII counter-measures equipment, and some radar.

Some items do not lend themselves to modification, so, I'm hoping to ID 
the exact connector type, and I'll go from there.  I'm sure a few people 
will know right off, but the web sure doesn't...

Ideas?

Thanks.

Kurt

From aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org  Tue Sep 22 07:02:29 2020
From: aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org (Michael Hanz)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 07:02:29 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Oddball (to me) antenna connector?
In-Reply-To: <1fb2811f-5a6b-5fc9-51e6-08a487664c0c@earthlink.net>
References: <1832163065.1849.1576098341881@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5DF1630A.3000809@earthlink.net>
	<1fb2811f-5a6b-5fc9-51e6-08a487664c0c@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <21f77412-f7bc-ea41-95f6-ff4653215257@aafradio.org>

It's an HN, Kurt.? Also used on the AN/ARC-21 and AN/ARC-65, as well as 
some other high power jammers.

- Mike? KC4TOS

On 9/22/2020 12:16 AM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
> Every now and then, I come across a piece of equipment with the 
> connector shown on the antenna at this link:
>
> https://aeroantique.com/products/antenna-as-114-for-countermeasure-radar-an-apt-4-wwii-b-29-b-24?variant=32451588042 
>
>
> It looks like a fat N-connector, with an SO-239 receptacle pin in the 
> center, BUT, it's 3/4"-26 (or 27, NOT 28).
>
> I've seen a few on pics of WWII counter-measures equipment, and some 
> radar.
>
> Some items do not lend themselves to modification, so, I'm hoping to 
> ID the exact connector type, and I'll go from there.? I'm sure a few 
> people will know right off, but the web sure doesn't...
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kurt
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 22 13:21:55 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:21:55 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Oddball (to me) antenna connector?
In-Reply-To: <1fb2811f-5a6b-5fc9-51e6-08a487664c0c@earthlink.net>
References: <1832163065.1849.1576098341881@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5DF1630A.3000809@earthlink.net>
	<1fb2811f-5a6b-5fc9-51e6-08a487664c0c@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9bfe9e06-9f05-5af6-04f3-1abb5a147d5c@earthlink.net>

"https://aeroantique.com/products/antenna-as-114-for-countermeasure-radar-an-apt-4-wwii-b-29-b-24?variant=32451588042"

Hats off to Jeff Kruth who id'd it as an LN connector!

Kurt


From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 11:32:05 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] eBay RBM control box - FWIW
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcPUTARjZ+2kPz44H2KCLnEik3iK1MaEZZQXr-NWxMLOA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254724948421

Not mine. etc., just looks nice and has a $10 starting bid.

Nick
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From glennmaillist at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep 23 21:58:37 2020
From: glennmaillist at bellsouth.net (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 21:58:37 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios
References: <0c9bbb29-a2c5-8ef1-9211-b145435957e3.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <0c9bbb29-a2c5-8ef1-9211-b145435957e3@bellsouth.net>

I have a local museum that does reenactments.
They would like to use period radios.
What frequency can they use?
I think that they have some PRC-77s.

Thanks
73
Glenn
WB4UIV

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QTH:  Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx)  USSVI LM   NRA LM   SBE ARRL TAPR
"It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds but the class
of the Amateur that holds the license"


From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Thu Sep 24 07:47:17 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 06:47:17 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios
In-Reply-To: <0c9bbb29-a2c5-8ef1-9211-b145435957e3@bellsouth.net>
References: <0c9bbb29-a2c5-8ef1-9211-b145435957e3.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<0c9bbb29-a2c5-8ef1-9211-b145435957e3@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <ca239461-4995-b628-e5bb-490e642e35a7@ix.netcom.com>

Set the -77 on any Six Meter freq on which
FM is allowed.? Designate a licensed ham as
the "control operator," which allows anyone
to talk on the radios given the control op is
responsible for legal operation.
It's the same regulations we use to let the
unlicensed Boy Scouts operate a ham station.

If someone who isn't a Federal official walks-up,
especially if he is about 5' 3", is razor-thin,
wears granny-glasses and starts huffing about it,
tell him:

"Gosh I dunno.? The guy in charge is someone
named "Phynius."? If you go ask the people on
the other side of the field, they probably know
where you can find him."

Or your could tell him the person in charge of
the radios is Helen Waite.? So if he has a concern
about it, he should go to Helen Waite.
Either way, I don't think you have to worry about
an FCC spook in a black trench coat, jumping out
from under a bush with handcuffs. ;-)

GL OM DE Dave AB5S

On 9/23/2020 8:58 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV wrote:
> I have a local museum that does reenactments.
> They would like to use period radios.
> What frequency can they use?
> I think that they have some PRC-77s.
>
> Thanks
> 73
> Glenn
> WB4UIV
>

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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Sep 24 08:46:21 2020
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:46:21 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02693EE858A1CD040E1E17FFE4390@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I don't know the PRC-77 lower end, but if it can tune to around 48.7 MHz, that's the "new CB band". Yes, it's a little over 100 mW, but some intermittent playtime isn't going to upset anyone's cart.
-Hue



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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Thu Sep 24 09:44:57 2020
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:44:57 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactors radio
Message-ID: <DM5PR0201MB3512197D4B801A9CC2ACF44EB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

The problem with the PRC-77 is it's a Vietnam radio and most Re-enactors I have been around are all doing WW2 themed stuff. There are companies that are selling BC-611 radios that have modern FRS radios stuffed insides them that are popular with the re-enactors that I have come across.
https://onlinemilitaria.net/products/4624-US-BC-611-SCR-536-Handie-Talkie-Radio/
Also, a lot of SCR-543/BC-669 sets make their appearance at different shows I have been to, can't say how many are operational but have seen them in many of the encampments.
I will do a couple maybe three shows a year where I drag out the M151 and all its radios but my motives are to go and play around with all the gear and do some of the Military radio nets that occur on the weekends. Everything I am running is Vietnam - Cold War era so find that usually the WW2 people will tolerate me being set up just outside their perimeter but not as a part of the WW2 experience.
An example would be something like the Delaware Goes to War event at Fort Miles where they allow me to set up between the parking lot for the public and the entrance to the event itself along with some of the others who bring out their military vehicles for the event, but they will not allow any non-period equipment into the camp itself.
Other shows like the huge show up in Reading PA each year are WW2 only and that's all there is to it, so often you find that most re-enactors are only interested in the WW2 stuff and more in keeping with that then any functional use or any experience from using that equipment.
I have had a BC-669 offered to me before with the option of cleaning up and operating it at events but can't see much use in one beyond maybe 3885 AM, the more modern Vietnam era radios that I have been running have the ability to QSY and are Side Band, big advantages in today's world.

Ray F/KA3EKH
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From ark at ar88.net  Thu Sep 24 11:51:31 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:51:31 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactors radio
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR0201MB3512197D4B801A9CC2ACF44EB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR0201MB3512197D4B801A9CC2ACF44EB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <bfa7b025-cf8d-a097-2511-b59e86685f67@ar88.net>

Gang,

I'd like to thank Ray for the tip on the WPG FRS BC-611 replicas. Take a 
look 
<https://onlinemilitaria.net/products/4624-US-BC-611-SCR-536-Handie-Talkie-Radio/>, 
if you haven't already. They're 145 bucks, and they'll sell you an empty 
shell for $75.? Please, encourage the re-enactors to not gut historic 
radios!

IMO, the Family Radio Service, is the best solution for the re-enactor 
environment.? The radios, and their batteries are positively cheap, and 
there's no legal complications.? Plus, they are actually useful 
communications devices, and can be managed by unsophisticated users.

As an owner of a restored and working BC-611, I can assure you that 
deploying a number of these for this kind of service is a fools errand.

Al

On 9/24/2020 9:44 AM, Ray Fantini wrote:
>
> The problem with the PRC-77 is it?s a Vietnam radio and most 
> Re-enactors I have been around are all doing WW2 themed stuff. There 
> are companies that are selling BC-611 radios that have modern FRS 
> radios stuffed insides them that are popular with the re-enactors that 
> I have come across.
>
> https://onlinemilitaria.net/products/4624-US-BC-611-SCR-536-Handie-Talkie-Radio/
>
> Also, a lot of SCR-543/BC-669 sets make their appearance at different 
> shows I have been to, can?t say how many are operational but have seen 
> them in many of the encampments.
>
> I will do a couple maybe three shows a year where I drag out the M151 
> and all its radios but my motives are to go and play around with all 
> the gear and do some of the Military radio nets that occur on the 
> weekends. Everything I am running is Vietnam ? Cold War era so find 
> that usually the WW2 people will tolerate me being set up just outside 
> their perimeter but not as a part of the WW2 experience.
>
> An example would be something like the Delaware Goes to War event at 
> Fort Miles where they allow me to set up between the parking lot for 
> the public and the entrance to the event itself along with some of the 
> others who bring out their military vehicles for the event, but they 
> will not allow any non-period equipment into the camp itself.
>
> Other shows like the huge show up in Reading PA each year are WW2 only 
> and that?s all there is to it, so often you find that most re-enactors 
> are only interested in the WW2 stuff and more in keeping with that 
> then any functional use or any experience from using that equipment.
>
> I have had a BC-669 offered to me before with the option of cleaning 
> up and operating it at events but can?t see much use in one beyond 
> maybe 3885 AM, the more modern Vietnam era radios that I have been 
> running have the ability to QSY and are Side Band, big advantages in 
> today?s world.
>
> Ray F/KA3EKH
>
>
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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Thu Sep 24 14:03:45 2020
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:03:45 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] re-enactors radio pt2
Message-ID: <DM5PR0201MB3512795A0B72DA793C1BD1AEB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Did not do anything this year because of the Covid thing but I have said it before and will stand by the statement that the Dayton or now Xenia Hamvention 3885 WW2 pack radio net on Saturdays at the Hamvention always boast the largest collection of working BC-611 radios in the world, maybe there is someone with more BC-611 then the dozen or more that are in operation at that time but that's always the one place you can see and net with BC-611, pogo stick and all types of military portable AM sets.
In order for this to happen you are dealing with a large group of skilled Ham operators who spend thousands of hours to restore and keep them functional, don't think you would have the level of skill sets required in the re-enactor community. Not that we are that much smarter just that are goals and skill sets are different from most of the living history types I know.
The military Vehicle Collector community would be another place where you see a lot going on with communications but in some ways it the same deal. I am only slightly involved in their world and know when at their shows people always comment on the poor quality of my restoration work on the chassis and paint jobs but my radios are always good.
I can only encourage anyone in the Military Radio Hobby to get out and see what's going on in both Military Vehicle and the re-enactor community. It broadens your horizon and gives you something else to do besides being in your basement all the time.
Speaking of that I will be mixing Military radio and Vehicles together this weekend at Fort Miles in Delaware and hope to work some of you for the Military Radio Field Exercise on Saturday.

Ray F/KA3EKH

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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Thu Sep 24 20:05:54 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 00:05:54 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactors radio
In-Reply-To: <bfa7b025-cf8d-a097-2511-b59e86685f67@ar88.net>
References: <DM5PR0201MB3512197D4B801A9CC2ACF44EB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
	<bfa7b025-cf8d-a097-2511-b59e86685f67@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB2422A260F6B3C3DB3FC2531DF5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

This would be a fun radio to put inside the BC-611 reproduction, but even better if the carrier could be restored so it transmits single sideband, full carrier:

www.ebay.com/itm/QRP-SSB-Transceiver-Taurus-80-80-meters-3-5-MHz-5Watt-KIT-for-assembly/174072043440

That's from Russia.

Sean

________________________________________
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:51 AM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Re-enactors radio

Gang,

I'd like to thank Ray for the tip on the WPG FRS BC-611 replicas.  Take a look<https://onlinemilitaria.net/products/4624-US-BC-611-SCR-536-Handie-Talkie-Radio/>, if you haven't already. They're 145 bucks, and they'll sell you an empty shell for $75.  Please, encourage the re-enactors to not gut historic radios!

IMO, the Family Radio Service, is the best solution for the re-enactor environment.  The radios, and their batteries are positively cheap, and there's no legal complications.  Plus, they are actually useful communications devices, and can be managed by unsophisticated users.

As an owner of a restored and working BC-611, I can assure you that deploying a number of these for this kind of service is a fools errand.

Al

On 9/24/2020 9:44 AM, Ray Fantini wrote:
The problem with the PRC-77 is it?s a Vietnam radio and most Re-enactors I have been around are all doing WW2 themed stuff. There are companies that are selling BC-611 radios that have modern FRS radios stuffed insides them that are popular with the re-enactors that I have come across.
https://onlinemilitaria.net/products/4624-US-BC-611-SCR-536-Handie-Talkie-Radio/
Also, a lot of SCR-543/BC-669 sets make their appearance at different shows I have been to, can?t say how many are operational but have seen them in many of the encampments.
I will do a couple maybe three shows a year where I drag out the M151 and all its radios but my motives are to go and play around with all the gear and do some of the Military radio nets that occur on the weekends. Everything I am running is Vietnam ? Cold War era so find that usually the WW2 people will tolerate me being set up just outside their perimeter but not as a part of the WW2 experience.
An example would be something like the Delaware Goes to War event at Fort Miles where they allow me to set up between the parking lot for the public and the entrance to the event itself along with some of the others who bring out their military vehicles for the event, but they will not allow any non-period equipment into the camp itself.
Other shows like the huge show up in Reading PA each year are WW2 only and that?s all there is to it, so often you find that most re-enactors are only interested in the WW2 stuff and more in keeping with that then any functional use or any experience from using that equipment.
I have had a BC-669 offered to me before with the option of cleaning up and operating it at events but can?t see much use in one beyond maybe 3885 AM, the more modern Vietnam era radios that I have been running have the ability to QSY and are Side Band, big advantages in today?s world.

Ray F/KA3EKH



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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Thu Sep 24 20:18:00 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 00:18:00 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02693EE858A1CD040E1E17FFE4390@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02693EE858A1CD040E1E17FFE4390@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB242232C44435FB1A804C7076F5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hue,

49.830 - 49.890 MHz?

I'm remembering a HS CB friend who's cordless phone was 1700-something KHz up, 49 MHz down.

Sean

________________________________________
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Hubert Miller <kargo_cult at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:46 AM
To: David Stinson; Glenn Little WB4UIV; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios

I don't know the PRC-77 lower end, but if it can tune to around 48.7 MHz, that's the "new CB band". Yes, it's a little over 100 mW, but some intermittent playtime isn't going to upset anyone's cart.
-Hue



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Thu Sep 24 20:21:42 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 00:21:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] re-enactors radio pt2
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR0201MB3512795A0B72DA793C1BD1AEB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR0201MB3512795A0B72DA793C1BD1AEB8390@DM5PR0201MB3512.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB242224D45B3229FAE99889EEF5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I think many on the west coast divert hobby money into housing expenses...

Sean

________________________________________
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Ray Fantini <RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 11:03 AM
To: Military Surplus Mail List (milsurplus at mailman.qth.net)
Subject: [Milsurplus] re-enactors radio pt2

Did not do anything this year because of the Covid thing but I have said it before and will stand by the statement that the Dayton or now Xenia Hamvention 3885 WW2 pack radio net on Saturdays at the Hamvention always boast the largest collection of working BC-611 radios in the world, maybe there is someone with more BC-611 then the dozen or more that are in operation at that time but that?s always the one place you can see and net with BC-611, pogo stick and all types of military portable AM sets.
In order for this to happen you are dealing with a large group of skilled Ham operators who spend thousands of hours to restore and keep them functional, don?t think you would have the level of skill sets required in the re-enactor community. Not that we are that much smarter just that are goals and skill sets are different from most of the living history types I know.
The military Vehicle Collector community would be another place where you see a lot going on with communications but in some ways it the same deal. I am only slightly involved in their world and know when at their shows people always comment on the poor quality of my restoration work on the chassis and paint jobs but my radios are always good.
I can only encourage anyone in the Military Radio Hobby to get out and see what?s going on in both Military Vehicle and the re-enactor community. It broadens your horizon and gives you something else to do besides being in your basement all the time.
Speaking of that I will be mixing Military radio and Vehicles together this weekend at Fort Miles in Delaware and hope to work some of you for the Military Radio Field Exercise on Saturday.

Ray F/KA3EKH


From ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com  Thu Sep 24 20:29:02 2020
From: ssyrotyn at nycap.rr.com (Steven Syrotynski)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:29:02 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] RCH Front Panel
Message-ID: <86655725-8f5f-2a08-2dcf-9da7dccbcec1@nycap.rr.com>

Hello out there, as we are all home cleaning and reorganizing our 
"Stuff", i have a front panel for an RCH receiver in good shape, free to 
good home if your fixing one up, let me know,

Steve

W2TRH


From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Thu Sep 24 21:06:33 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:06:33 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios
In-Reply-To: <137975b1-4e1f-7ae0-3641-1a46399aa0ac@earthlink.net>
References: <MWHPR22MB02693EE858A1CD040E1E17FFE4390@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR19MB242232C44435FB1A804C7076F5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>,
	<137975b1-4e1f-7ae0-3641-1a46399aa0ac@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB2422C8A4AD0746AC18911A8AF5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

>1 - 5 channel Radio Shack
49 MHz jobs are easy to come by, and work into the case, looking period,
and being "legit".  I've got about six bankers boxes of them leftover
from a wireless data/telemetry project from many years ago.


Kurt,

I don't know about the TRC-402, but TRC-512 Part 15 rigs gave the greatest range besides a pair of old CBs in leather cases, 9V powered, which had the same type of center loaded whip antenna as the RS CBs from later. Also about 400'.

Maybe people on eBay would like to have a pair of those?

Sean

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 24 23:03:41 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:03:41 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Re-enactor radios
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR19MB2422C8A4AD0746AC18911A8AF5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02693EE858A1CD040E1E17FFE4390@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR19MB242232C44435FB1A804C7076F5360@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<137975b1-4e1f-7ae0-3641-1a46399aa0ac@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <1fb5aa8d-a914-7d82-13b5-0e42ad75b706@earthlink.net>

"I don't know about the TRC-402, but TRC-512 Part 15 rigs gave the 
greatest range besides a pair of old CBs in leather cases, 9V powered, 
which had the same type of center loaded whip antenna as the RS CBs from 
later. Also about 400'."

We found that the 49 MHz RS models worked will in the large buildings in 
LA, and about 1/4 mile outside.  Why blow a kilo-Buck on a Motorola, 
when an RS closeout worked just as well?  I recall being surprised when 
on the top floor in a large building, in the elevator, and being able to 
talk to the ground floor without issue.

Kurt


From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Fri Sep 25 18:58:09 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 17:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B Forestry Set
Message-ID: <e69a7acb-6c4a-537c-c936-6ae1a78ad41e@ix.netcom.com>

A few years ago, I found a "forestry" radio marked
with a BLM identifier and a tag saying it had done
service in Alaska.? It is a Northern Radio Company
of Seattle, WA type 450, model B.

There was not information on the net about so
I started tracing and poking around until I figured-out
it was a six-channel xtal-controlled HF portable
designed to run 25 W out screen-modulated AM
from at least 3 to 9 MC.? Solid state
except for a 6CL6 driving a 6146.? Runs on 12 VDC.
Got it running and it's a sweet little talker.
Photos at this link:

https://goo.gl/photos/dmpa7cY3ddwfAUXc9

I'm hoping that, after these last few years, some
info on it might have surfaced.? Anyone?

TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S


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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Sep 26 00:12:48 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 04:12:48 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Identify Navy receivers in photo ?
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB026975806359761A07C202D3E4370@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I know the resolution of this photo is crap, but any clue what receivers  being used here?
Photo published 1942, but may date earlier.
-Hue Miller


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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 08:18:30 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Identify Navy receivers in photo ?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB026975806359761A07C202D3E4370@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026975806359761A07C202D3E4370@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNfrryR6+o19kf+YdQL8-eSe1A1-PegcJsr_=NMZe-twdQ@mail.gmail.com>

RE, RF, RG depending on frequency range
http://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/se/1932-commsta-wa-01.jpg
http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/todd-school/todd-school-rcvr-schem.pdf

That?s my guess.
Cheers
Nick


On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 12:13 AM Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Sat Sep 26 08:59:19 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:59:19 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Identify Navy receivers in photo ?
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNfrryR6+o19kf+YdQL8-eSe1A1-PegcJsr_=NMZe-twdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB026975806359761A07C202D3E4370@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAB55hNfrryR6+o19kf+YdQL8-eSe1A1-PegcJsr_=NMZe-twdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <084f01d69404$d95a92a0$8c0fb7e0$@eozinc.com>

I do have a couple of RG receivers, but, sadly only a few coils. They use the WE 215A tubes. 73 ? Mike. 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nick England
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:19 AM
To: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Identify Navy receivers in photo ?

 

RE, RF, RG depending on frequency range

http://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/se/1932-commsta-wa-01.jpg

http://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/todd-school/todd-school-rcvr-schem.pdf

 

That?s my guess. 

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From wcprops at vt.edu  Sat Sep 26 13:58:26 2020
From: wcprops at vt.edu (William Props)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] MRFD CQ
Message-ID: <CAFMEMPhS8M3BFjojbkUvtxHyfLkbeLUqrS2uXicOZiqwe=7vWg@mail.gmail.com>

Calling CQ for the military radio field day on 7060. Portable with a TCS.

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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Sat Sep 26 14:32:46 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:32:46 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] MRFD CQ
In-Reply-To: <CAFMEMPhS8M3BFjojbkUvtxHyfLkbeLUqrS2uXicOZiqwe=7vWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMEMPhS8M3BFjojbkUvtxHyfLkbeLUqrS2uXicOZiqwe=7vWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F6F894E.21466.A1E4D3@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 26 Sep 2020 at 13:58, William Props wrote:

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> Calling CQ for the military radio field day on 7060. Portable with a TCS. 
> 
> Chris
> W4SVA

Is that today?

Ken W7EKB



From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Sep 27 09:53:36 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:53:36 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B Forestry
	Set
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR19MB24225EA8E2D88269E7355706F5370@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <e69a7acb-6c4a-537c-c936-6ae1a78ad41e@ix.netcom.com>
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Message-ID: <8a839d1a-bc1d-4661-5b32-157d28900d84@ix.netcom.com>

Thank you, Sean.? You did better than I.
Appreciate the links.

Dave S.

On 9/26/2020 6:22 PM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> Dave,
>
> That sure is neat! But I could only find basic information about the company from my search:
>
> Northern Radio Company
> Seattle based manufacturer from the 1940's and 50's
>
> https://rigreference.com/manufacturers/northern-radio-company
>
> Northern Radio had an interesting relationship to Technical Materiel Corp.
>
> http://tmchistory.org/NorthernRadio/northern_index.htm
>
> >From a catalog with SSB radios:
>
> Northern Radio Company A Subsidiary of RF Communications, Inc.
>
> http://tmchistory.org/NorthernRadio/Catalogs/RF_comm_brochure.pdf
>
> Here is a YT video, poster might have left YT, showing a large transmitter:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmb_sN7An6A
>
> Your radio sounds like fun :-)
>
> Sean
>
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:58 PM
> To: Boatanchors at mailman; milsurplus at mailman
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B Forestry Set
>
> A few years ago, I found a "forestry" radio marked
> with a BLM identifier and a tag saying it had done
> service in Alaska.  It is a Northern Radio Company
> of Seattle, WA type 450, model B.
>
> There was not information on the net about so
> I started tracing and poking around until I figured-out
> it was a six-channel xtal-controlled HF portable
> designed to run 25 W out screen-modulated AM
> from at least 3 to 9 MC.  Solid state
> except for a 6CL6 driving a 6146.  Runs on 12 VDC.
> Got it running and it's a sweet little talker.
> Photos at this link:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/dmpa7cY3ddwfAUXc9
>
> I'm hoping that, after these last few years, some
> info on it might have surfaced.  Anyone?
>
> TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S
>
>
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Sun Sep 27 10:02:18 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 10:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors] Northern Radio Company type 450
 model B Forestry Set
In-Reply-To: <8a839d1a-bc1d-4661-5b32-157d28900d84@ix.netcom.com>
References: <e69a7acb-6c4a-537c-c936-6ae1a78ad41e@ix.netcom.com>
	<BYAPR19MB24225EA8E2D88269E7355706F5370@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<8a839d1a-bc1d-4661-5b32-157d28900d84@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNe3etXyWAMq_6xUmkr2943ZSTvhsE9v1ZNusQ=hEo1Sjw@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW. Northern Radio of Seattle has no known connection with Northern Radio
of New York. The Seattle company did not have a connection with TMC.

Nick

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 9:53 AM David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Sean.  You did better than I.
>
> Appreciate the links.
>
>
>
> Dave S.
>
>
>
> On 9/26/2020 6:22 PM, Sean Kelly wrote:
>
> > Dave,
>
> >
>
> > That sure is neat! But I could only find basic information about the
> company from my search:
>
> >
>
> > Northern Radio Company
>
> > Seattle based manufacturer from the 1940's and 50's
>
> >
>
> > https://rigreference.com/manufacturers/northern-radio-company
>
> >
>
> > Northern Radio had an interesting relationship to Technical Materiel
> Corp.
>
> >
>
> > http://tmchistory.org/NorthernRadio/northern_index.htm
>
> >
>
> > >From a catalog with SSB radios:
>
> >
>
> > Northern Radio Company A Subsidiary of RF Communications, Inc.
>
> >
>
> > http://tmchistory.org/NorthernRadio/Catalogs/RF_comm_brochure.pdf
>
> >
>
> > Here is a YT video, poster might have left YT, showing a large
> transmitter:
>
> >
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmb_sN7An6A
>
> >
>
> > Your radio sounds like fun :-)
>
> >
>
> > Sean
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________________
>
> > From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Stinson <
> arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>
> > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:58 PM
>
> > To: Boatanchors at mailman; milsurplus at mailman
>
> > Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B Forestry
> Set
>
> >
>
> > A few years ago, I found a "forestry" radio marked
>
> > with a BLM identifier and a tag saying it had done
>
> > service in Alaska.  It is a Northern Radio Company
>
> > of Seattle, WA type 450, model B.
>
> >
>
> > There was not information on the net about so
>
> > I started tracing and poking around until I figured-out
>
> > it was a six-channel xtal-controlled HF portable
>
> > designed to run 25 W out screen-modulated AM
>
> > from at least 3 to 9 MC.  Solid state
>
> > except for a 6CL6 driving a 6146.  Runs on 12 VDC.
>
> > Got it running and it's a sweet little talker.
>
> > Photos at this link:
>
> >
>
> > https://goo.gl/photos/dmpa7cY3ddwfAUXc9
>
> >
>
> > I'm hoping that, after these last few years, some
>
> > info on it might have surfaced.  Anyone?
>
> >
>
> > TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 11:28:09 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:28:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] MRFD
References: <408989694.1172239.1601220489315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <408989694.1172239.1601220489315@mail.yahoo.com>

Wasn't that a localized event and didn't that end at 0200GMT today?  I must have missed the announcement here that it was on.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From holden7471 at msn.com  Sun Sep 27 14:09:15 2020
From: holden7471 at msn.com (howard holden)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:09:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] MRFD
In-Reply-To: <408989694.1172239.1601220489315@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <408989694.1172239.1601220489315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<408989694.1172239.1601220489315@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB364950B2D95E3643354A588EC4340@BY5PR13MB3649.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I only saw it because someone posted that he was calling CQ for it.  Don?t know if it was localized or not, but it was in lieu of a meet somewhere. I looked at the announcement that was listed in the guys post. No suggested frequencies. Listened some, 40 and 20M, but nothing heard. I did call CQ a few times on 7044 but got no takers. Could be better if more organized.

Howie WB2AWQ Reno NV

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From: CL in NC via Milsurplus<mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 8:28 AM
To: Milsurplus<mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] MRFD

Wasn't that a localized event and didn't that end at 0200GMT today?  I must have missed the announcement here that it was on.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From ark at ar88.net  Sun Sep 27 16:02:06 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:02:06 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
Message-ID: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>

Gang,

Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 
QST, *Take a look* 
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.

Al

-- 
Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/



From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Sep 27 17:10:24 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:10:24 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B
	Forestry	Set
In-Reply-To: <8a839d1a-bc1d-4661-5b32-157d28900d84@ix.netcom.com>
References: <e69a7acb-6c4a-537c-c936-6ae1a78ad41e@ix.netcom.com>
	<BYAPR19MB24225EA8E2D88269E7355706F5370@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<8a839d1a-bc1d-4661-5b32-157d28900d84@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB0269C4C5BC7BA5515484ED5EE4340@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Unfortunately all the links in Dave's post were unusable due to line breaks.
But to clarify the Northern Radio: do not mistake this company with one of similar name on East Coast, 
which manufactured mostly teletype equipment. Or with Northern Electric, Canada, which built home 
radios and some communications equipment. 

Northern Radio or Northern Radiotelephone, of Seattle, started I think around 1938 as some kind of 
contractor using the name Northern Electric ( as if that?s not confusing enough, too. ) I don't know what
they produced during WW2, which was kind of a watershed point for many smaller manufacturers. 
After WW2, there was "Northern Radio" and "Northern Electric", both Seattle based, and nothing to do 
with any East Coast firm with similar name. I believe 'Northern Electric' ( Seattle ) was for land-based 
radio projects, altho any actual separation of business focus is still very unclear to me.  Northern 
continued making radios up until the 1980s - exact date still unclear to me - the last SSB radio model
850 had a row of switches on front panel for setting frequency. Northern seems to have had a lot of 
small projects or forays into various fields, such  as HF aircraft radio during the AM era, and while I have
seen catalog photos of some of these sets, I have never ever seen or heard of one existing. 

The Northern boat radios of the AM years were big, heavy  things with much more robust construction
than Apelco and the others. Northern had around 5 or so different receivers which were packaged with
the transmitter in over/ under configurations altho the receivers could also be bought alone. One oddity
was the 1946  type N605E, a high - end SWL or entertainment receiver, well designed but with no BFO.

Any supposed link to TMC sounds more like the "Northern  Radio" of the East Coast. Northern Radio 
( Seattle ) never had any interest in that market. 
-Hue Miller 








From ersmar at verizon.net  Sun Sep 27 17:12:14 2020
From: ersmar at verizon.net (Gene Smar)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 17:12:14 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
In-Reply-To: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>
References: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <011501d69512$df96cbc0$9ec46340$@verizon.net>

Thanks a lot, Al.  Now you've given me even MORE projects to plan for during my retirement!  ;o)


73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F

-----Original Message-----
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Klase
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

Gang,

Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 QST, *Take a look* <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.

Al

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Sep 27 17:15:44 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:15:44 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B
	Forestry	Set
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB0269C4C5BC7BA5515484ED5EE4340@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <e69a7acb-6c4a-537c-c936-6ae1a78ad41e@ix.netcom.com>
	<BYAPR19MB24225EA8E2D88269E7355706F5370@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<8a839d1a-bc1d-4661-5b32-157d28900d84@ix.netcom.com>
	<MWHPR22MB0269C4C5BC7BA5515484ED5EE4340@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
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Unfortunately this myth will be repeated for years yet with its inclusion in the Northern Radio section 
of that 'shortwave radio receivers' compilation book. I wrote the author to correct that entry, but it
doesn't appear there will ever be another edition printed. And I can understand that, as it was a huge,
huge enterprise. 
I am thinking of making up my own 'Addendum' pages which could be slipped into the original.
-Hue Miller 

From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Sun Sep 27 17:57:03 2020
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 14:57:03 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
In-Reply-To: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>
References: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>
Message-ID: <5F710AAF.29504.147F045@kgordon2006.frontier.com>

On 27 Sep 2020 at 16:02, Al Klase wrote:

> Gang,
> 
> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 
> QST, *Take a look* 
> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
> 
> Al

That is downright beautiful, Al. It is exactly what I have wanted to build for many years.

Now all I have to find is a small, stout suitcase.

Thank you, Al.

Ken W7EKB

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 27 18:12:22 2020
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
In-Reply-To: <5F710AAF.29504.147F045@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
References: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>
	<5F710AAF.29504.147F045@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
Message-ID: <68fbc09a-7f77-9965-d711-246bac1a8e5b@earthlink.net>

"That is downright beautiful, Al. It is exactly what I have wanted to 
build for many years.  ow all I have to find is a small, stout suitcase."

Nice!  Trying to figure out what radio that case came from.  I have a 
nearly identical one, but rectangular vertically, not horizontal like 
this.  Picked it up from a thrift shop in Tonopah in the mid-80's for 
$5.  Covering, sloped front, hardware identical.  Oddball RCA, maybe?

Kurt


From couryhouse at aol.com  Sun Sep 27 18:22:51 2020
From: couryhouse at aol.com (ED SHARPE)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 22:22:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
References: <968854440.1261389.1601245371700.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <968854440.1261389.1601245371700@mail.yahoo.com>


Believe that is a portable rx case? I have seen one like? it with a battery powered commercial? rx in it.? Nice slick rig!
... ed sharpe archivist for smecc
On Sunday, September 27, 2020 Kenneth G. Gordon <kgordon2006 at frontier.com> wrote:
On 27 Sep 2020 at 16:02, Al Klase wrote:

> Gang,
> 
> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 
> QST, *Take a look* 
> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
> 
> Al

That is downright beautiful, Al. It is exactly what I have wanted to build for many years.

Now all I have to find is a small, stout suitcase.

Thank you, Al.

Ken W7EKB
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Sep 27 18:53:41 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 22:53:41 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] "mx115.antispamcloud.com rejected your message to the
 following email addresses:"
Message-ID: <MWHPR22MB02694E7B6D1791C535A06C9BE4340@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: Hubert Miller 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:52 PM
To: 'milsurplus at mailman' <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

>Believe that is a portable rx case? I have seen one like? it with a battery powered commercial? rx in it.? Nice slick rig!
... ed sharpe archivist for smecc

That's what I immediately thought, having in my younger days (mistakenly ) disassembled numerous 1940s tube portable radios.  
-Hue Miller

From ark at ar88.net  Sun Sep 27 19:52:26 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:52:26 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
In-Reply-To: <68fbc09a-7f77-9965-d711-246bac1a8e5b@earthlink.net>
References: <2cccf3fa-4230-ef03-913b-03dad9a5d494@ar88.net>
	<5F710AAF.29504.147F045@kgordon2006.frontier.com>
	<68fbc09a-7f77-9965-d711-246bac1a8e5b@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <78fb80a5-1581-9855-a85b-da818eba754b@ar88.net>

Kurt,

The case supposedly came form a GE Model 245 portable, which I believe 
was post-WWII set.? So I'm surprised he used it in 1950, the date inside 
next to his signature (p13 of the revised .pdf 
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/W9FKC.pdf>)

Al

On 9/27/2020 6:12 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
> "That is downright beautiful, Al. It is exactly what I have wanted to 
> build for many years.? ow all I have to find is a small, stout suitcase."
>
> Nice!? Trying to figure out what radio that case came from.? I have a 
> nearly identical one, but rectangular vertically, not horizontal like 
> this.? Picked it up from a thrift shop in Tonopah in the mid-80's for 
> $5.? Covering, sloped front, hardware identical.? Oddball RCA, maybe?
>
> Kurt
>
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From rwboyd at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 27 20:45:53 2020
From: rwboyd at yahoo.com (Robert W Boyd)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Northern Radio Company type 450 model B Forestry
	Set
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FYI-Northern Electric, Canada, performed the same role as Western 
Electric in the U.S.; they built all of the switching and subscriber 
equipment for Bell Canada

On 9/27/2020 5:10 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
> Unfortunately all the links in Dave's post were unusable due to line breaks.
> But to clarify the Northern Radio: do not mistake this company with one of similar name on East Coast,
> which manufactured mostly teletype equipment. Or with Northern Electric, Canada, which built home
> radios and some communications equipment.
>
> Northern Radio or Northern Radiotelephone, of Seattle, started I think around 1938 as some kind of
> contractor using the name Northern Electric ( as if that?s not confusing enough, too. ) I don't know what
> they produced during WW2, which was kind of a watershed point for many smaller manufacturers.
> After WW2, there was "Northern Radio" and "Northern Electric", both Seattle based, and nothing to do
> with any East Coast firm with similar name. I believe 'Northern Electric' ( Seattle ) was for land-based
> radio projects, altho any actual separation of business focus is still very unclear to me.  Northern
> continued making radios up until the 1980s - exact date still unclear to me - the last SSB radio model
> 850 had a row of switches on front panel for setting frequency. Northern seems to have had a lot of
> small projects or forays into various fields, such  as HF aircraft radio during the AM era, and while I have
> seen catalog photos of some of these sets, I have never ever seen or heard of one existing.
>
> The Northern boat radios of the AM years were big, heavy  things with much more robust construction
> than Apelco and the others. Northern had around 5 or so different receivers which were packaged with
> the transmitter in over/ under configurations altho the receivers could also be bought alone. One oddity
> was the 1946  type N605E, a high - end SWL or entertainment receiver, well designed but with no BFO.
>
> Any supposed link to TMC sounds more like the "Northern  Radio" of the East Coast. Northern Radio
> ( Seattle ) never had any interest in that market.
> -Hue Miller
>
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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Mon Sep 28 00:27:23 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 04:27:23 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?

Sean

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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

Gang,

Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
QST, *Take a look*
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.

Al

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Sep 28 08:19:04 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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There is no break even point. I used to build similar radios and even more
complicated during that time because I could not afford anything and most
parts could be scrounged from disposed TV sets or cheap surplus stuff. Also
parts were available in stores that could not be obtained from the TV sets
for an affordable price. Later, in HS, I did have metal shop making things a
lot easier. Most young hams built their own rigs unless they had rich
parents.  73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

-----Original Message-----
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Sean Kelly
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 12:27 AM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools
one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done
commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?

 

Sean

 

________________________________________

From:  <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
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To:  <mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net

Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

Gang,

 

Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 QST,
*Take a look* <
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.

 

Al

 

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 08:47:10 2020
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:47:10 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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Back in earlier days-
Adel nibbler, rat-tail file, flat file, drill.

Now I have something much better than a machine shop - I have a buddy with
a machine shop....

Nick

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:19 AM Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com> wrote:

> There is no break even point. I used to build similar radios and even more
> complicated during that time because I could not afford anything and most
> parts could be scrounged from disposed TV sets or cheap surplus stuff. Also
> parts were available in stores that could not be obtained from the TV sets
> for an affordable price. Later, in HS, I did have metal shop making things
> a lot easier. Most young hams built their own rigs unless they had rich
> parents.  73 ? Mike
>
>
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/89+Arnold+Blvd.+Howell+NJ+07731?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Howell NJ 07731
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/89+Arnold+Blvd.+Howell+NJ+07731?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> 848-245-9115
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Sean Kelly
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 12:27 AM
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
>
>
>
> I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what
> tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done
> commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase <ark at ar88.net>
>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
>
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
>
>
>
> Gang,
>
>
>
> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
> QST, *Take a look* <
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
>
>
>
> Al
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
> Jersey City, NJ
>
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Sep 28 09:44:06 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:44:06 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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Yep, the nibbler was invaluable. 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nick England
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:47 AM
To: Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com>
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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

Back in earlier days-

Adel nibbler, rat-tail file, flat file, drill. 

 

Now I have something much better than a machine shop - I have a buddy with a machine shop....

 

Nick

 

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:19 AM Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com <mailto:n4fs at eozinc.com> > wrote:

There is no break even point. I used to build similar radios and even more complicated during that time because I could not afford anything and most parts could be scrounged from disposed TV sets or cheap surplus stuff. Also parts were available in stores that could not be obtained from the TV sets for an affordable price. Later, in HS, I did have metal shop making things a lot easier. Most young hams built their own rigs unless they had rich parents.  73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd. <https://www.google.com/maps/search/89+Arnold+Blvd.+Howell+NJ+07731?entry=gmail&source=g> 

Howell NJ 07731 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/89+Arnold+Blvd.+Howell+NJ+07731?entry=gmail&source=g> 

848-245-9115

 

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From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net>  <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > On Behalf Of Sean Kelly
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 12:27 AM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?

 

Sean

 

________________________________________

From:  <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net < <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase < <mailto:ark at ar88.net> ark at ar88.net>

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To:  <mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net

Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

Gang,

 

Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 QST, *Take a look* < <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.

 

Al

 

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Jersey City, NJ

 <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

 

 

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From ark at ar88.net  Mon Sep 28 10:24:50 2020
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:24:50 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Set Building - WAS: A Classic Example of the Homebrew
	Art
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Sean,

Start with something simple.? You reminded me of a relevant presentation 
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/Presentations/Set%20Building%202012.pdf> I 
did for our antique radio club a couple of years ago.

Al

On 9/28/2020 12:27 AM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
>
> Sean
>
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase <ark at ar88.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
>
> Gang,
>
> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
> QST, *Take a look*
> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
>
> Al
>
> --
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> Jersey City, NJ
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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Mon Sep 28 10:35:15 2020
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:35:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] MRFD AAR for KA3EKH
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Military Radio Field Day , 26 September 2020 AAR

What was supposed to be achieved by this project?

Last weekend was the first MRFD, Military Radio Field Day an effort to get people on the air using their Military Radio equipment or regular Ham radio gear. Extra credit was given for use of military radios, antennas and operation from the field.
My plan was to use the M151A1 MUTT with the AN/GRC-106 and VRC-46 to operate on several bands throughout the event along with working the existing MMRCG and MRCA nets before the evet in the morning.
Also anticipated operating RTTY on 7087 prior to the start of the event.

What was actually achieved?

I had received authorization to operate from the Fort Miles Complex located at Cape Henlopen Delaware from the Delaware State Parks Service and arrived on site just before nine Saturday morning. Set up the forty-meter inverted V antenna, secured source of local power so I did not have to run the generator and when setting the amplifier for the 106 discovered that the tuning motors in the ATU were not moving.
The ATU was stuck on the sixty-meter band. I did try opening up the radio and seeing if I was able to get the motors to start again but without tools was not able to remove the entire ATU assembly and fix it so was stuck on 60. Very frustrating to hear everyone on MMRCG forty-meter net but not be able to talk back.
Swapped out the forty-meter V for the sixty-meter V and was able to check into the MRCA net at noon without issue and after the net did contact N3FRQ and the group up at INFO Age along with KW1I up at High Point State Park in NJ and the group up at Port Clinton in PA.
Attempted to do a couple 51.0 FM contacts but the distance was just too great for FM, did have the log periodic set up and aimed North for the event but no signals were present.
Did discover later that afternoon that maybe because of the heat from the operations on sixty or who knows why the ATU motors started working again and was able to QSY but was not able to identify any of the other stations taking part. Looks like maybe there were several CW contacts that worked out great but me just running voice did not score anything.
With just the option of AM or USB I checked around 7.296 and up on twenty around 14.34/35 but not much going on up on twenty besides normal Ham contacts. Did try sitting on 18.1575 and doing a number of calls but no answers.
Just after 1600 hours local with the crowd thru the park starting to thin out and not being able to find where everyone was operating decided to start tearing down and loaded up and was out of the park just past 1700 or so. Did have some fun driving the mutt around the park and also did talk to a lot of people who saw what was going on and wanted to stop by and talk about the mutt and radio.


What aspects of the project work?

The pre planning with the State Park people worked out great, they were very supportive and great host for allowing me to drag out the mutt and all the antennas and wires and the like. They also provide local power so did not have to deal with running generator or mutt to keep the batteries up.
Although the AN\GRC-106 failed for the first half of the day it did come up and operate for the MRCA net and communications on the talking channel for the MRFD net on sixty meters. The VRC-46 and the log periodic antenna for it worked its just that it appears the distances are too great for VHF simplex.

What didn't work and why?

The failure of the GRC-106 was directly attributable to one of the first rules of that radio, if you don't run that radio every now and then it will develop problems with its mechanicals. I cannot remember the last time I ran the radio in the mutt up but should have tested the week before the event.
Although the radio started cooperating later in the day I had missed the scheduled time set up for doing RTTY in the afternoon. And with no way to directly contact the other stations involved was not able to do a RTTY contact or any other contacts on other bands.
Perhaps in future events we can have more of a set of fixed channels that we are concentrated around? Looks like the group up at Info Age went down and were operating on eighty on LSB and that's always an issue with the older military gear.
I would have preferred to have more activity, at least for voice in the twenty- and seventeen-meter band on USB being the antenna requirements are so much smaller.
One of the biggest problems turns out to be completely unrelated to radio. The car trailer that I have used for years for transporting the mutt belonged to a company that I use to work for and no longer have access to that trailer. I was able to borrow a trailer but had to pick it up Friday and return it Sunday and the round trip for doing this was significant.

What would you change if given a second chance?

Test all the radios the week prior to the event. Dose not matter if they worked the last time you use them or not. It's frustrating to know exactly what the problem is when you are in the field but also realize that you do not have the tools to fix it.
For things like Able Archer 83 have also drug along a second transceiver like a KWM-2A and if I had that on site would have been able to operate that as a backup and also on LSB. Maybe it's worth the trouble to drag along a second big radio just in case.
It will be interesting to see how the next field event goes, will be setting the mutt up again weather permitting in the back yard and attempt to do the RTTY and two morning nets from home.
Don't know what will be the next field event but know I have to resolve this trailer thing before that time being too much time was spent driving trailers around and not on radio.

Ray F/KA3EKH

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From w4gqt at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 10:39:33 2020
From: w4gqt at yahoo.com (John Allen)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:39:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] 1950s radio station - 40 Meters
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Group,I have 4 or 5 late 1940s radios in my collection; they are quite good radios once they are recapped, usually having either 2 IF amps or an RF amp and the usual compliment of ~1.5 volt tubes. Sensitivity and selectivity were pretty good. Zenith and others used similar cases for their 3 WAY PORTABLES; (Battery, AC & DC powered).
?? To get the sets operative,? I replace the 117Z3 series, rectifiers with a IN4007 diode and dropping resistor for the filaments to get the A supply to ~1.4 volts and another to get the B+ to ~90 volts.
ONE WARNING !!! These sets have have one side of the filaments and the B- connected to? the 115 VAC power line. BE CAREFUL, STUDY the schematics and don't get yourself fried !!! I ALWAYS USE A ISOLATION TRANSFORMER WHEN WORKING ON THESE SETS AND ALSO THE "ALL AMERICAN FIVE" sets
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From ersmar at verizon.net  Mon Sep 28 11:29:14 2020
From: ersmar at verizon.net (=?utf-8?B?ZXJzbWFyQHZlcml6b24ubmV0?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:29:14 -0400
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Al:

Your email is a keeper.  Thanks. 

73 de
Gene Smar AD3F

Sent from my Verizon HTC Smartphone

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From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
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Subject: [Milsurplus] Set Building - WAS: A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
Date: Mon, Sep 28, 2020 10:24 AM

Sean,



Start with something simple.? You reminded me of a relevant
presentation I did for our antique radio club a couple of
years ago.



Al



On 9/28/2020 12:27 AM, Sean Kelly
wrote:




I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?

Sean

________________________________________
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

Gang,

Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
QST, *Take a look*
<http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.

Al

--
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Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/


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From briankn4r at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 11:31:22 2020
From: briankn4r at gmail.com (Brian Harrison)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:31:22 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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Al,

WELL DONE on the acquisition and wonderful writeup below!

I recently came across another example with good documentation from the estate of W9SG previously 9AWQ

I thought I might have the original one until I saw yours  :-)

Here are pictures of mine including the docs:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1I9p4-Cnr_pGbQKMdcK2-dX9nDhTRWDUu?usp=sharing <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1I9p4-Cnr_pGbQKMdcK2-dX9nDhTRWDUu?usp=sharing>

best,

brian
kn4r

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Al Klase <ark at ar88.net> wrote:
> 
> Gang,
> 
> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951 QST, *Take a look* http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>
> Al
> 
> -- 
> Al Klase ? N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Mon Sep 28 12:16:38 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 16:16:38 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus]  A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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Back in earlier days-
Adel nibbler, rat-tail file, flat file, drill.

Now I have something much better than a machine shop - I have a buddy with a machine shop....

Nick


What about, I think they are caled duck bill pliers, or square vice grips, or something?

Sean

From mmab at cox.net  Mon Sep 28 14:11:06 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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Sean,
I agree with Mike Feher that there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building, and certainly don't buy expensive tools that you may use only once.

As indicated by Al Klase, there are many simple entry level projects that you can build with ordinary hand tools and scrounged parts.  If you build one of these, it shows that you are interested in building and you may want to advance to more serious homebrew projects. The subject transmitter/receiver is well above the entry level.  Here are some photos of one of my more complicated homebrew projects and below are listed the tools I used to to build it:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KHoNsugHNHzBed6V9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/MiMHgyMZRe9Lvpra6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UpYKJ34kQ5boxTNTA

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GwUbQARu7dq6rNcP6

In addition to the tools listed by Nick England (nibbler, rat-tail file, etc.) I used a toolbox full of hand tools plus some machinery including; drill press, sheet metal brake, sheet metal shear, rivet gun, table saw, router, jig saw, Greenlee chassis punches, bench vise, random orbit sander, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment.  I cut the large opening in the front panel for  dial illumination by drilling a series if interconnecting holes around its periphery and then smoothing it out with half-round files and sandpaper.

Mike, W6MAB





> On September 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Sean Kelly <Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
> 
> Sean
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase <ark at ar88.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
> 
> Gang,
> 
> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
> QST, *Take a look*
> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
> 
> Al
> 
> --
> Al Klase ? N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> 
> 
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From brunneraa1p at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 17:13:59 2020
From: brunneraa1p at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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Mike you set a high standard, gorgeous work, showing meticulous 
attention to? layout and details.? I too make stuff because I want to.? 
I also? point out that one can do good work with hand tools, merely 
taking lots more time.? Wood is good too, for panels, chassis, (but no 
shielding) etc, looks good, and easier to work with.

Richard, AA1P

On 9/28/20 2:11 PM, MICHAEL BITTNER wrote:
> Sean,
> I agree with Mike Feher that there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building, and certainly don't buy expensive tools that you may use only once.
>
> As indicated by Al Klase, there are many simple entry level projects that you can build with ordinary hand tools and scrounged parts.  If you build one of these, it shows that you are interested in building and you may want to advance to more serious homebrew projects. The subject transmitter/receiver is well above the entry level.  Here are some photos of one of my more complicated homebrew projects and below are listed the tools I used to to build it:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KHoNsugHNHzBed6V9
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/MiMHgyMZRe9Lvpra6
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UpYKJ34kQ5boxTNTA
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GwUbQARu7dq6rNcP6
>
> In addition to the tools listed by Nick England (nibbler, rat-tail file, etc.) I used a toolbox full of hand tools plus some machinery including; drill press, sheet metal brake, sheet metal shear, rivet gun, table saw, router, jig saw, Greenlee chassis punches, bench vise, random orbit sander, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment.  I cut the large opening in the front panel for  dial illumination by drilling a series if interconnecting holes around its periphery and then smoothing it out with half-round files and sandpaper.
>
> Mike, W6MAB
>
>
>
>
>
>> On September 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Sean Kelly <Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase <ark at ar88.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
>> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
>> QST, *Take a look*
>> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> --
>> Al Klase ? N3FRQ
>> Jersey City, NJ
>> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>

From smithab11 at comcast.net  Mon Sep 28 17:28:18 2020
From: smithab11 at comcast.net (B. Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:28:18 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 28 18:31:34 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:31:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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>From a previous comment:

"...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."

In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no more deep than the on/off switch.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From mmab at cox.net  Mon Sep 28 19:27:07 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 19:27:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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I know this is off topic for Milsurplus, but this thread started here, many are following it, and many surplus components windup in homebrew radios such as K4CHE's use of ARC-5 IF transformers in his excellent HBR receiver.

Sticking to Sean's original questions about tools, note that K4CHE uses angle stock or other pre-bent material as  neat work-rounds for not having a large bending brake when fabricating the cabinet (or chassis) for his HBR.  You still have to cut the various sides to size and that may take a portable jigsaw or band-saw to rough them out and then file them to final shape with a flat file.  I had to use this procedure for the front panel of my regen since it is too thick for cutting in my sheet-metal shear.

Sheet-metal Vise-grips are OK only for small parts that can fit within their jaws and throat depth.

You know you are ready for the advanced level when you become dissatisfied with the ARRL Handbook recommendation of placing your sheet metal between two hardwood blocks in a vise and bending it with a ball-peen hammer.  I works and may be good enough for you, but the projects in the handbooks were actually built in a well equipped shop with professional tools.

Wood cabinets can become  shielded cabinets by sticking aluminized paper or aluminum foil to their inside surfaces. 

Nowadays, you can build all kinds of transistor stuff with no more building skills than being able to cut, etch, and solder printed circuit board material.  You can even make perfectly shielded cabinets by soldering but-jointed pc boards together at their inside joining edges.

Mike, W6MAB






> On September 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM "B. Smith" <smithab11 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>      I got obsessed with a 1957 QST project. Used basic hand tools -  even the cabinet is HB. The rat tail file is my favorite tool.
>     k4che
>     http://k4che.com/HBR/HBR%20page%201.htm
> 
> 
> 
>     On 9/28/2020 2:11 PM, MICHAEL BITTNER wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Sean,
> >         I agree with Mike Feher that there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building, and certainly don't buy expensive tools that you may use only once.
> > 
> >         As indicated by Al Klase, there are many simple entry level projects that you can build with ordinary hand tools and scrounged parts.  If you build one of these, it shows that you are interested in building and you may want to advance to more serious homebrew projects. The subject transmitter/receiver is well above the entry level.  Here are some photos of one of my more complicated homebrew projects and below are listed the tools I used to to build it:
> > 
> >         https://photos.app.goo.gl/KHoNsugHNHzBed6V9
> > 
> >         https://photos.app.goo.gl/MiMHgyMZRe9Lvpra6
> > 
> >         https://photos.app.goo.gl/UpYKJ34kQ5boxTNTA
> > 
> >         https://photos.app.goo.gl/GwUbQARu7dq6rNcP6
> > 
> >         In addition to the tools listed by Nick England (nibbler, rat-tail file, etc.) I used a toolbox full of hand tools plus some machinery including; drill press, sheet metal brake, sheet metal shear, rivet gun, table saw, router, jig saw, Greenlee chassis punches, bench vise, random orbit sander, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment.  I cut the large opening in the front panel for  dial illumination by drilling a series if interconnecting holes around its periphery and then smoothing it out with half-round files and sandpaper.
> > 
> >         Mike, W6MAB
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             On September 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Sean Kelly <Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> mailto:Captain.Kelly at outlook.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
> > > 
> > >             Sean
> > > 
> > >             ________________________________________
> > >             From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Al Klase <ark at ar88.net> mailto:ark at ar88.net
> > >             Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
> > >             To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> > >             Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
> > > 
> > >             Gang,
> > > 
> > >             Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
> > >             QST, *Take a look*
> > >             <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm.
> > > 
> > >             Al
> > > 
> > >             --
> > >             Al Klase ? N3FRQ
> > >             Jersey City, NJ
> > >             http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             ______________________________________________________________
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Sep 28 19:46:01 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 19:46:01 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
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I too built an HBR-14 in the early ?60s and an HBR-16 a little later. I did not have an HRO dial or an Eddystone, so I used a Miller due to cost. 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of B. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 5:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

 I got obsessed with a 1957 QST project. Used basic hand tools -  even the cabinet is HB. The rat tail file is my favorite tool.
k4che
http://k4che.com/HBR/HBR%20page%201.htm




On 9/28/2020 2:11 PM, MICHAEL BITTNER wrote:

Sean,
I agree with Mike Feher that there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building, and certainly don't buy expensive tools that you may use only once.
 
As indicated by Al Klase, there are many simple entry level projects that you can build with ordinary hand tools and scrounged parts.  If you build one of these, it shows that you are interested in building and you may want to advance to more serious homebrew projects. The subject transmitter/receiver is well above the entry level.  Here are some photos of one of my more complicated homebrew projects and below are listed the tools I used to to build it:
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KHoNsugHNHzBed6V9
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MiMHgyMZRe9Lvpra6
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UpYKJ34kQ5boxTNTA
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GwUbQARu7dq6rNcP6
 
In addition to the tools listed by Nick England (nibbler, rat-tail file, etc.) I used a toolbox full of hand tools plus some machinery including; drill press, sheet metal brake, sheet metal shear, rivet gun, table saw, router, jig saw, Greenlee chassis punches, bench vise, random orbit sander, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment.  I cut the large opening in the front panel for  dial illumination by drilling a series if interconnecting holes around its periphery and then smoothing it out with half-round files and sandpaper.
 
Mike, W6MAB
 
 
 
 
 

On September 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Sean Kelly  <mailto:Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> <Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> wrote:
 
 
I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
 
Sean
 
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
 
Gang,
 
Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
QST, *Take a look*
 <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
 
Al
 
--
Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
 
 
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From rpmeadow at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 28 19:59:23 2020
From: rpmeadow at bellsouth.net (Robert P. Meadows)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 19:59:23 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
In-Reply-To: <1988386256.93354.1601335627579@myemail.cox.net>
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Aluminum up to ? inch thickness cuts quite well with a decent carbide blade in a table saw.  Just beware of the chips, and take proper precautions.

Milwaukee tools has a STEEL CUTTING ?Skil Saw? that will cut 1 inch steel plate, and cuts ? inch plate about as fast as cutting ? inch plywood with a normal saw.

Well worth the money.

R

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of MICHAEL BITTNER
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 7:27 PM
To: B. Smith <smithab11 at comcast.net>; Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art

 

I know this is off topic for Milsurplus, but this thread started here, many are following it, and many surplus components windup in homebrew radios such as K4CHE's use of ARC-5 IF transformers in his excellent HBR receiver.

Sticking to Sean's original questions about tools, note that K4CHE uses angle stock or other pre-bent material as  neat work-rounds for not having a large bending brake when fabricating the cabinet (or chassis) for his HBR.  You still have to cut the various sides to size and that may take a portable jigsaw or band-saw to rough them out and then file them to final shape with a flat file.  I had to use this procedure for the front panel of my regen since it is too thick for cutting in my sheet-metal shear.

Sheet-metal Vise-grips are OK only for small parts that can fit within their jaws and throat depth.

You know you are ready for the advanced level when you become dissatisfied with the ARRL Handbook recommendation of placing your sheet metal between two hardwood blocks in a vise and bending it with a ball-peen hammer.  I works and may be good enough for you, but the projects in the handbooks were actually built in a well equipped shop with professional tools. 

Wood cabinets can become  shielded cabinets by sticking aluminized paper or aluminum foil to their inside surfaces.  

Nowadays, you can build all kinds of transistor stuff with no more building skills than being able to cut, etch, and solder printed circuit board material.  You can even make perfectly shielded cabinets by soldering but-jointed pc boards together at their inside joining edges.

Mike, W6MAB

 

 

 

 

 

On September 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM "B. Smith" <smithab11 at comcast.net <mailto:smithab11 at comcast.net> > wrote: 

 I got obsessed with a 1957 QST project. Used basic hand tools -  even the cabinet is HB. The rat tail file is my favorite tool. 
k4che 
http://k4che.com/HBR/HBR%20page%201.htm 




On 9/28/2020 2:11 PM, MICHAEL BITTNER wrote: 

Sean,
I agree with Mike Feher that there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building, and certainly don't buy expensive tools that you may use only once.
 
As indicated by Al Klase, there are many simple entry level projects that you can build with ordinary hand tools and scrounged parts.  If you build one of these, it shows that you are interested in building and you may want to advance to more serious homebrew projects. The subject transmitter/receiver is well above the entry level.  Here are some photos of one of my more complicated homebrew projects and below are listed the tools I used to to build it:
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KHoNsugHNHzBed6V9
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MiMHgyMZRe9Lvpra6
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UpYKJ34kQ5boxTNTA
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GwUbQARu7dq6rNcP6
 
In addition to the tools listed by Nick England (nibbler, rat-tail file, etc.) I used a toolbox full of hand tools plus some machinery including; drill press, sheet metal brake, sheet metal shear, rivet gun, table saw, router, jig saw, Greenlee chassis punches, bench vise, random orbit sander, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment.  I cut the large opening in the front panel for  dial illumination by drilling a series if interconnecting holes around its periphery and then smoothing it out with half-round files and sandpaper.
 
Mike, W6MAB
 
 
 
 
 

On September 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM Sean Kelly  <mailto:Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> <Captain.Kelly at outlook.com> wrote:
 
 
I love it! I've always wondered, since I didn't take metal shop, what tools one needs to build like that? I do know a person can have it done commercially, the question is where is the break-even point located?
 
Sean
 
________________________________________
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net>   <mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Al Klase  <mailto:ark at ar88.net> <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:02 PM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Milsurplus] A Classic Example of the Homebrew Art
 
Gang,
 
Not really military, but I've been obsessing over an artifact from 1951
QST, *Take a look*
 <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm> <http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/Homebrew_Projects.htm>.
 
Al
 
--
Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
 
 
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From mgpaulonis at gmail.com  Mon Sep 28 21:29:46 2020
From: mgpaulonis at gmail.com (Matt P)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 20:29:46 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 197, Issue 38
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All I can say is that I have always envied the likes of you all with those
building skills from the time I first got my license in 1982 (or was that
83?). Just fixing old gear alone occupies nearly all of my free time
allotted to radio.

Great work, let's see all me more.

73,
Matt
W2NS
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From ersmar at verizon.net  Tue Sep 29 00:51:49 2020
From: ersmar at verizon.net (Gene Smar)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 00:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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If you haven't read 200 Meters and Down, shame!  It's like being an American
citizen and not knowing the history of the Revolutionary War.  We all should
want to know whence we came.


73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F
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From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of CL in NC via
Milsurplus
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:32 PM
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Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

>From a previous comment:

"...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to
build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance
and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."

In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of
us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and
most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio
to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary
devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no
more deep than the on/off switch.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Tue Sep 29 04:38:16 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:38:16 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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I wish I could remember the name of the video where the Navy radioman writes a letter home saying they are learning to build whatever they would need from scratch.

The main point is learning and I do realize that it's easy to get lazy and just be an opeator, but the rest of us need to promote craftsmanship. We need to teach it, if possible. Funny, during this pandemic, all I hear on NPR is "victim accounts". They never ask them what it would be like to live where a calamity forces people from their homes, instead they encourage people to shun their own pluck and talk about how bad it is to be stuck at home. People should be lucky to have a home, and bored hams should buy a breadboard in an order from Mouser or Digikey.

These are great...

http://www.theclassicarchives.com/magazines-and-books/vintage-tube-radio/radioshack-engineers-mini-notebooks-forrest-mims-electronics-books-dvd

...but if you can't afford them, having an internet connection and the desire to learn is all you really need. Almost everything one might want to learn is free online, somewhere. Or if not, figure it out on your own and then put the answer on your own website. That's what I say.

Sean

________________________________________
From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gene Smar via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:51 PM
To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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If you haven't read 200 Meters and Down, shame!  It's like being an American
citizen and not knowing the history of the Revolutionary War.  We all should
want to know whence we came.


73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:32 PM
To: Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

>From a previous comment:

"...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to
build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance
and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."

In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of
us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and
most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio
to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary
devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no
more deep than the on/off switch.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Sep 29 07:26:53 2020
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 06:26:53 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] When You Can't Get an IF Can
Message-ID: <e2b4084c-d059-bffc-19f7-2c8cb4e0fbae@ix.netcom.com>

Good Morning.
Theoretical situation-
You have an IF transformer with an open primary.
For whatever reason, you cannot get a replacement
or suitable substitute.? Some of you will recognize
this diagram:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qtLG7oEEP73Lg7Yt6

Possible solution:
Use a 455 KC Ceramic Resonator-

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SbYwxAEzubXCkGU27

The 10 Ohm resistor is because that was the DC
resistance of the secondary winding.

Thoughts?

73 DE Dave AB5S


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From ka8vit at ka8vit.com  Tue Sep 29 07:51:48 2020
From: ka8vit at ka8vit.com (Bill KA8VIT)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 07:51:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 08:46:30 2020
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:46:30 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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Hi,

I don't know what they taught the sparks but I am not surprised to hear 
about that. I was in engineering and maintained, repaired, operated the 
bits that make the ship go. We were taught how to make parts at sea if 
necessary. There are no gas stations or "auto parts" stores out there 
even if we carried some spares:)

I tell people I know how to make a naval destroyer but the man-hours 
required are far more than one man's entire life and never mind about 
the expense of materials. So I won't be leaving behind a huge pile of 
scrap metal after I have my final QSO. I know some of you were worried 
about that.

My first home brew project at age 13 was a V-O-M in a cigar box using a 
meter from a WW2 mil surplus radio. I used plugin series and shunt 
resistors and I made a table of values to show what resistors to plug in 
to which terminals for the desired function and range. That was a far 
cry from present day autoranging. It got me where I wanted to go:)

Don't be afraid about who might laugh. Pick up some tools and go for it.

73,

Bill  KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 9/29/20 4:38 AM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> I wish I could remember the name of the video where the Navy radioman writes a letter home saying they are learning to build whatever they would need from scratch.
> 
> The main point is learning and I do realize that it's easy to get lazy and just be an opeator, but the rest of us need to promote craftsmanship. We need to teach it, if possible. Funny, during this pandemic, all I hear on NPR is "victim accounts". They never ask them what it would be like to live where a calamity forces people from their homes, instead they encourage people to shun their own pluck and talk about how bad it is to be stuck at home. People should be lucky to have a home, and bored hams should buy a breadboard in an order from Mouser or Digikey.
> 
> These are great...
> 
> http://www.theclassicarchives.com/magazines-and-books/vintage-tube-radio/radioshack-engineers-mini-notebooks-forrest-mims-electronics-books-dvd
> 
> ...but if you can't afford them, having an internet connection and the desire to learn is all you really need. Almost everything one might want to learn is free online, somewhere. Or if not, figure it out on your own and then put the answer on your own website. That's what I say.
> 
> Sean
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gene Smar via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:51 PM
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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> 
> If you haven't read 200 Meters and Down, shame!  It's like being an American
> citizen and not knowing the history of the Revolutionary War.  We all should
> want to know whence we came.
> 
> 
> 73 de
> Gene Smar  AD3F
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of CL in NC via
> Milsurplus
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:32 PM
> To: Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
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> 
>>From a previous comment:
> 
> "...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to
> build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance
> and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."
> 
> In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of
> us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and
> most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio
> to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary
> devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no
> more deep than the on/off switch.
> 
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 10:24:08 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 14:24:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] A million parts
References: <613591706.1879970.1601389448178.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <613591706.1879970.1601389448178@mail.yahoo.com>

This company is up and running again.  They have quite a few IF transformers of all types, but you might need to know the manufacturers part number to find what you are looking for instead of the radio builders PN. I was building a SW3 a while back, they had the exact 700 Henry National audio choke I needed, NOS, for 11 bucks.

http://www.oldradioparts.com/index.html

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 10:28:13 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 14:28:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Take it back, he is not open yet
References: <881435931.1885073.1601389693203.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <881435931.1885073.1601389693203@mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I read the Red letters at the top of the sites page, and he is not open for biz yet.  He is still apparently inventorying and looks like he has to deal with a ton of undelivered orders.  The original owner o PTOTP, was reporting he was under chemo and had the biz for sale, guess someone did buy it and found a mess.   http://www.oldradioparts.com/index.html

Charlie W4MEC in NC

From joeconnor53 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 10:35:57 2020
From: joeconnor53 at yahoo.com (Joe Connor)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 14:35:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Take it back, he is not open yet
In-Reply-To: <881435931.1885073.1601389693203@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <881435931.1885073.1601389693203.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<881435931.1885073.1601389693203@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <511872316.206191.1601390157154@mail.yahoo.com>

 The original owner died, and Barry Bennett has taken over the business. He is currently involved in the Herculean task of inventorying the parts and re-starting the business. I'm attaching a link to an ARF thread that lays it all out.
https://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=383568

????????????????????????????? ? Joe Connor
    On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 10:28:36 AM EDT, CL in NC via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 Well, I read the Red letters at the top of the sites page, and he is not open for biz yet.? He is still apparently inventorying and looks like he has to deal with a ton of undelivered orders.? The original owner o PTOTP, was reporting he was under chemo and had the biz for sale, guess someone did buy it and found a mess.? http://www.oldradioparts.com/index.html

Charlie W4MEC in NC
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From navyradiocom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 11:50:09 2020
From: navyradiocom at gmail.com (Tom Brent)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:50:09 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Cutting Aluminum
Message-ID: <CAPYsgpxP4gbLRKDZQz1bubuDt2ahK=gvpYGnFg5MqndHrULYLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Someone has already mentioned using a carbide tipped wood cutting blade in
a table saw for aluminum. That certainly works but going a step further,
look for a "non-ferrous metal cutting" blade. These are for aluminum,
copper, brass, etc and I have a 60-tooth/10 inch one for my table saw. If
you put a little lubricating oil on the cut line before sawing, the
resulting cut surface is so smooth it is almost like a mirror, no burrs and
no filing necessary. I have also used it in my radial arm saw and of course
a sliding miter saw should work too.

Happy building!
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From mmab at cox.net  Tue Sep 29 12:38:23 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Cutting Aluminum
In-Reply-To: <CAPYsgpxP4gbLRKDZQz1bubuDt2ahK=gvpYGnFg5MqndHrULYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPYsgpxP4gbLRKDZQz1bubuDt2ahK=gvpYGnFg5MqndHrULYLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <609772393.6711.1601397514327@myemail.cox.net>

Thanks for the tip, Tom.

Mike, W6MAB

> On September 29, 2020 at 11:50 AM Tom Brent <navyradiocom at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     Someone has already mentioned using a carbide tipped wood cutting blade in a table saw for aluminum. That certainly works but going a step further, look for a "non-ferrous metal cutting" blade. These are for aluminum, copper, brass, etc and I have a 60-tooth/10 inch one for my table saw. If you put a little lubricating oil on the cut line before sawing, the resulting cut surface is so smooth it is almost like a mirror, no burrs and no filing necessary. I have also used it in my radial arm saw and of course a sliding miter saw should work too.
> 
>     Happy building!  
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From holden7471 at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 13:47:36 2020
From: holden7471 at msn.com (howard holden)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 17:47:36 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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References: <2085545945.1676349.1601332294546.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2085545945.1676349.1601332294546@mail.yahoo.com>
	<004d01d6961c$3e452d60$bacf8820$@verizon.net>
	<BYAPR19MB24229ACAB5B54800E004C414F5320@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>,
	<484ad351-295f-7691-445e-73c820878599@gmail.com>
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Bill?s right about no auto parts stores etc.! When I worked aboard the USS Ling SS-297, even submarines had a small machine shop, complete with a decent sized lathe, drill press, etc. Crowded and tucked away in a small corner of the aft engine room, but it was there. And I?m sure some use was made of it from time to time.

Howie WB2AWQ

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Bill Cromwell<mailto:wrcromwell at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:47 AM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net<mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

Hi,

I don't know what they taught the sparks but I am not surprised to hear
about that. I was in engineering and maintained, repaired, operated the
bits that make the ship go. We were taught how to make parts at sea if
necessary. There are no gas stations or "auto parts" stores out there
even if we carried some spares:)

I tell people I know how to make a naval destroyer but the man-hours
required are far more than one man's entire life and never mind about
the expense of materials. So I won't be leaving behind a huge pile of
scrap metal after I have my final QSO. I know some of you were worried
about that.

My first home brew project at age 13 was a V-O-M in a cigar box using a
meter from a WW2 mil surplus radio. I used plugin series and shunt
resistors and I made a table of values to show what resistors to plug in
to which terminals for the desired function and range. That was a far
cry from present day autoranging. It got me where I wanted to go:)

Don't be afraid about who might laugh. Pick up some tools and go for it.

73,

Bill  KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 9/29/20 4:38 AM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> I wish I could remember the name of the video where the Navy radioman writes a letter home saying they are learning to build whatever they would need from scratch.
>
> The main point is learning and I do realize that it's easy to get lazy and just be an opeator, but the rest of us need to promote craftsmanship. We need to teach it, if possible. Funny, during this pandemic, all I hear on NPR is "victim accounts". They never ask them what it would be like to live where a calamity forces people from their homes, instead they encourage people to shun their own pluck and talk about how bad it is to be stuck at home. People should be lucky to have a home, and bored hams should buy a breadboard in an order from Mouser or Digikey.
>
> These are great...
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theclassicarchives.com%2Fmagazines-and-books%2Fvintage-tube-radio%2Fradioshack-engineers-mini-notebooks-forrest-mims-electronics-books-dvd&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdff460aa9356470ad94308d86475db1e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637369804633000001&amp;sdata=ro0TCoIYYUeEpOtAW%2FL3yEbLR46fUPdTrVoPU2h32xw%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> ...but if you can't afford them, having an internet connection and the desire to learn is all you really need. Almost everything one might want to learn is free online, somewhere. Or if not, figure it out on your own and then put the answer on your own website. That's what I say.
>
> Sean
>
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gene Smar via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:51 PM
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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>
> If you haven't read 200 Meters and Down, shame!  It's like being an American
> citizen and not knowing the history of the Revolutionary War.  We all should
> want to know whence we came.
>
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar  AD3F
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of CL in NC via
> Milsurplus
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:32 PM
> To: Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
>
>>From a previous comment:
>
> "...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to
> build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance
> and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."
>
> In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of
> us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and
> most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio
> to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary
> devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no
> more deep than the on/off switch.
>
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 29 14:35:42 2020
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:35:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
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The comment about shipboard machine shops and building stuff from scratch rang a bell.  I have a manual from the 1930's NYC School system, it is their high school machine shop course. In it are pictures of the classrooms, full of lathes and milling machines.  In the course, you as a high schooler, build several things, including the complete build of a single cylinder gas motor, similar to a horizontal shaft Briggs and Stratton.  All have bills of material and some procedures that are unique to that particular build, each item teaching another step in machine use and technique, culminating in that motor build.  Quite amazing what we used to teach high schoolers back then.  Now, I'm sure, school boards would live in fear of the little babies getting hurt.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From mmab at cox.net  Tue Sep 29 16:03:49 2020
From: mmab at cox.net (MICHAEL BITTNER)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:03:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
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Regarding high school machine shop courses, my high school of Ridgewood, NJ had a machine shop but the machines lay dormant as there where no qualified instructors on the staff. The town had long since transitioned from a rural village (I'm told Linwood Ave. was once a cow path) to an almost entirely "white collar" community (although they still insist on calling it a village).  Far be it that those parents should allow their college bound kids to learn any manual skills.  It's more important to pass the S.A.T.s than learn how to operate a Bridgeport milling machine or a Southbend lathe. As for myself, I'm entirely self-taught from reading and doing.  Mike, W6MAB

 
> On September 29, 2020 at 2:35 PM CL in NC via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The comment about shipboard machine shops and building stuff from scratch rang a bell.  I have a manual from the 1930's NYC School system, it is their high school machine shop course. In it are pictures of the classrooms, full of lathes and milling machines.  In the course, you as a high schooler, build several things, including the complete build of a single cylinder gas motor, similar to a horizontal shaft Briggs and Stratton.  All have bills of material and some procedures that are unique to that particular build, each item teaching another step in machine use and technique, culminating in that motor build.  Quite amazing what we used to teach high schoolers back then.  Now, I'm sure, school boards would live in fear of the little babies getting hurt.
> 
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Tue Sep 29 18:50:23 2020
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:50:23 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
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I was fortunate in that in my small town the HS had a full machine shop
along with classes. We also had an after school electronics club complete
with a ham station. I forget the RX that we had, but the TX was a DX-100,
that I used to borrow during summer months. For those so inclined there was
also an Auto Shop. In my Junior and Senior years I went to a Electronics
Technical School from about 1 to 4 PM. That was sponsored by the Board of
Cooperative Educational Services. After that I still went to college for my
BSEE and some graduate courses in math and EE. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop

 

Regarding high school machine shop courses, my high school of Ridgewood, NJ
had a machine shop but the machines lay dormant as there where no qualified
instructors on the staff. The town had long since transitioned from a rural
village (I'm told Linwood Ave. was once a cow path) to an almost entirely
"white collar" community (although they still insist on calling it a
village).  Far be it that those parents should allow their college bound
kids to learn any manual skills.  It's more important to pass the S.A.T.s
than learn how to operate a Bridgeport milling machine or a Southbend lathe.
As for myself, I'm entirely self-taught from reading and doing.  Mike, W6MAB

 

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From ron.k3pid at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 29 19:00:30 2020
From: ron.k3pid at sbcglobal.net (Ron.K3PID)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:00:30 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
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My High School had a fully equipped machine shop, a sheet metal shop, a welding shop, and a radio shop....  in the automotive shop we had a giant 8 cylinder marine diesel engine from the navy. it was still covered in cosmoline (sp) waiting for a class project to bring it to life.

Ron K3PID



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Sent: 9/29/2020 1:35:42 PM
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
________________________________________________________________________________

The comment about shipboard machine shops and building stuff from scratch rang a bell.  I have a manual from the 1930's NYC School system, it is their high school machine shop course. In it are pictures of the classrooms, full of lathes and milling machines.  In the course, you as a high schooler, build several things, including the complete build of a single cylinder gas motor, similar to a horizontal shaft Briggs and Stratton.  All have bills of material and some procedures that are unique to that particular build, each item teaching another step in machine use and technique, culminating in that motor build.  Quite amazing what we used to teach high schoolers back then.  Now, I'm sure, school boards would live in fear of the little babies getting hurt.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 19:44:02 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 23:44:02 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
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When we moved to Seattle many years ago, and I'm reckoning I was in 7th or 8th grade then, the 'Junior High School' had classes, for boys
of course, one semester metal shop, one semester wood shop, one semester plastic and leather craft. I found these classes wonderfully
expanding of one's interests and possibly later career and life - sustaining hobbies. I really regret that those years seem to have been the 
last of those kinds of classes in schools I later attended. Some of the classes would be hard to get by lawyers nowadays however. I recall one
day when a fellow was taking a ladle of molten aluminum out the kiln to pour into his sand mold for whatever project product he was going
to cast, except that this guy spilled the ladle of molten aluminum on the floor. That was very interesting to watch, but think about the 
results if he has splashed it on himself or someone else. I also still remember the first day of metal shop class, when the teacher described
various projects we could choose to make. The instructor said no one could cast a pistol model, because a former student had cast his own
pistol and then used it to rob a store. Besides my regrets over the loss of those skills classes, I also regret, and am still so disappointed in some
of the instructors. We boys really needed closer observation and with consequences. I recall some of the sh*t that went on, out of the 
instructor's view, like gluing someone's plastic crafts project to his desk. I confess, I might have done that. Or dripping sulfuric acid on someone's 
book. Some of those incidents seem funny now, but I recall an incident at a high school I later attended, where foolishness with sulfuric
acid resulted in a great tragedy. 

When I think back to my high school instructors, I feel a mix of grateful wonder and rage. Some were just there to pick up an undeserved 
paycheck, and probably should have instead  been pumping gas or restocking store shelves. Naturally, the math and sciences instructors 
were the real instructors, while literature and music seemed to hold the extremes of instructor ability.  Possibly also the students should
have been channeled more into different programs, like in Germany. I recall gratefully one instructor, Mr. Vukov, who introduced his 
classes to such realms as opera or the sport of fencing. I suspect few Americanos learn about such things in high school, and I consider 
myself lucky, altho as my parents were old - school, I would have been exposed to such arts anyway.  On the other hand, I recall sitting in a
class of largely C students while the instructor droned on about a Shakespeare play while students dozed or distracted each other while 
he tried in vain to elicit some response. 

When I see news items about education in other countries, or maybe talk to someone here who's getting a GED paper but can minimally
read, write, or do math, I wonder about the future of the USA. I see a classroom in China, where students are learning Chinese AND English.
While many Americans I don't think can read much more than a stop sign. Maybe my view is much too dark. 
Sorry, education in America is one of my "start buttons".
-H M 



From farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 20:21:10 2020
From: farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com (Rob Flory)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 20:21:10 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
Message-ID: <CAFcNxxVz55QqbKWN8CJKQyHZy7sT4OFQw-gJX4usU1=NQ9RydQ@mail.gmail.com>

My son took small engine repair and auto shop at his fancy suburban high
school, which satisfied a requirement in  practical arts for all
graduates.  For those wishing to pursue a career along those lines they
could continue in the vocational technical school.  The different crafts
are at different schools throughout the county.  Auto happens to be at his
school.  Many of those headed to college take these practical courses.

The small engine class works on lawnmowers, dirt bikes, chainsaws with
common sense safety precautions such as no test rides in the halls.  ;<)

They also have fabrication with 3d printers etc.  The local first
responders borrowed the 3d printers while the schools were shut down and
printed face shield components with guidance from the teacher..

RF
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 20:33:54 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 00:33:54 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] mx115.antispamcloud.com rejected your message to the
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antispamcloud catches another highly offensive email from Hue Miller:

FW: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop

From: Hubert Miller
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:32 PM
To: milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop

The 3D printing: I bought a top of the line Sony receiver, without trying it out. When I did finally try it, I found the tuning jammed at
a certain point, and I learned that this model had a rep for failing tuning gears. For many months I thought it was 'game over', but
then I learned that I could buy 3D printed replacements for a paltry sum. How about that.

I have a German 'morale receiver' with a tuning cap mounted on what was a pot metal bracket. Now I'm thinking with the dimensions
this part could be printed out, which would make this receiver restorable.

Practical Wireless magazine ( U.K. ) recently had an article where someone had 3D printed a 'bug key' and reading the introductory
material on how it's programmed, really whetted my interest in that.
-H M
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 20:47:12 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 00:47:12 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Lafayette TE-18 dip meter coils available
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I have a partial box with the 6 coils for this Lafayette dip meter. Six coils cover 0.36 - 220 MHz.
These coils are available for postage, which I guesstimate will run $4 - $5.
Hue Miller
Newport, Oregon
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Sep 29 20:53:31 2020
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 00:53:31 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] German spy radio operation in USA
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While I'm at the keyboard, and idling a few minutes until the 'Rumble in the Jungle', let me pose a question
I have wondered about for quite a long time:
The German agents in the USA ( and Quebec, Canada ) who did NOT have access to the FBI supplied radio
gear in the "House at X Street" ( I forget the name ),
How did they reach Germany with their radios of something like 20 - 30 watts input power, and less than
optimum, makeshift antennas? Was the signal forwarded from Mexico, Brazil, Caribbean, or by U-Boat
station? I wonder if we will ever know.
"Agent 13" I learn actually attended meetings with U.S. U-Boat history buffs in Chicago, but it seems no
one was there qualified to ask such questions, and now that book is closed.
-Hue Miller
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From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Wed Sep 30 02:03:40 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 06:03:40 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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I forget what class of submarine Tom Clancy wrote about, but he said it had that same small machine shop aft of the reactor, as well.

Sean

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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:47 AM
To: Bill Cromwell; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

Bill?s right about no auto parts stores etc.! When I worked aboard the USS Ling SS-297, even submarines had a small machine shop, complete with a decent sized lathe, drill press, etc. Crowded and tucked away in a small corner of the aft engine room, but it was there. And I?m sure some use was made of it from time to time.

Howie WB2AWQ

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From: Bill Cromwell<mailto:wrcromwell at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:47 AM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net<mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

Hi,

I don't know what they taught the sparks but I am not surprised to hear
about that. I was in engineering and maintained, repaired, operated the
bits that make the ship go. We were taught how to make parts at sea if
necessary. There are no gas stations or "auto parts" stores out there
even if we carried some spares:)

I tell people I know how to make a naval destroyer but the man-hours
required are far more than one man's entire life and never mind about
the expense of materials. So I won't be leaving behind a huge pile of
scrap metal after I have my final QSO. I know some of you were worried
about that.

My first home brew project at age 13 was a V-O-M in a cigar box using a
meter from a WW2 mil surplus radio. I used plugin series and shunt
resistors and I made a table of values to show what resistors to plug in
to which terminals for the desired function and range. That was a far
cry from present day autoranging. It got me where I wanted to go:)

Don't be afraid about who might laugh. Pick up some tools and go for it.

73,

Bill  KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 9/29/20 4:38 AM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> I wish I could remember the name of the video where the Navy radioman writes a letter home saying they are learning to build whatever they would need from scratch.
>
> The main point is learning and I do realize that it's easy to get lazy and just be an opeator, but the rest of us need to promote craftsmanship. We need to teach it, if possible. Funny, during this pandemic, all I hear on NPR is "victim accounts". They never ask them what it would be like to live where a calamity forces people from their homes, instead they encourage people to shun their own pluck and talk about how bad it is to be stuck at home. People should be lucky to have a home, and bored hams should buy a breadboard in an order from Mouser or Digikey.
>
> These are great...
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theclassicarchives.com%2Fmagazines-and-books%2Fvintage-tube-radio%2Fradioshack-engineers-mini-notebooks-forrest-mims-electronics-books-dvd&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdff460aa9356470ad94308d86475db1e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637369804633000001&amp;sdata=ro0TCoIYYUeEpOtAW%2FL3yEbLR46fUPdTrVoPU2h32xw%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> ...but if you can't afford them, having an internet connection and the desire to learn is all you really need. Almost everything one might want to learn is free online, somewhere. Or if not, figure it out on your own and then put the answer on your own website. That's what I say.
>
> Sean
>
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gene Smar via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:51 PM
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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>
> If you haven't read 200 Meters and Down, shame!  It's like being an American
> citizen and not knowing the history of the Revolutionary War.  We all should
> want to know whence we came.
>
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar  AD3F
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> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of CL in NC via
> Milsurplus
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:32 PM
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>>From a previous comment:
>
> "...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to
> build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance
> and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."
>
> In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of
> us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and
> most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio
> to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary
> devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no
> more deep than the on/off switch.
>
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From holden7471 at msn.com  Wed Sep 30 02:08:39 2020
From: holden7471 at msn.com (howard holden)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 06:08:39 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff
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The Ling didn?t have a reactor    ;^)     ??the Ling was a WW2 boat, Balao class. And she?s currently stuck in the muck in the Hackensack River, having been pummeled by Hurricane Sandy, then some jerks opened up water inlets and she flooded. Fortunately, it looks like she?s headed to Louisville KY and a group willing to put money into her.

73, Howie WB2AWQ Reno NV

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From: Sean Kelly<mailto:Captain.Kelly at outlook.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:03 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net<mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

I forget what class of submarine Tom Clancy wrote about, but he said it had that same small machine shop aft of the reactor, as well.

Sean

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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Building and restoring stuff

Bill?s right about no auto parts stores etc.! When I worked aboard the USS Ling SS-297, even submarines had a small machine shop, complete with a decent sized lathe, drill press, etc. Crowded and tucked away in a small corner of the aft engine room, but it was there. And I?m sure some use was made of it from time to time.

Howie WB2AWQ

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Hi,

I don't know what they taught the sparks but I am not surprised to hear
about that. I was in engineering and maintained, repaired, operated the
bits that make the ship go. We were taught how to make parts at sea if
necessary. There are no gas stations or "auto parts" stores out there
even if we carried some spares:)

I tell people I know how to make a naval destroyer but the man-hours
required are far more than one man's entire life and never mind about
the expense of materials. So I won't be leaving behind a huge pile of
scrap metal after I have my final QSO. I know some of you were worried
about that.

My first home brew project at age 13 was a V-O-M in a cigar box using a
meter from a WW2 mil surplus radio. I used plugin series and shunt
resistors and I made a table of values to show what resistors to plug in
to which terminals for the desired function and range. That was a far
cry from present day autoranging. It got me where I wanted to go:)

Don't be afraid about who might laugh. Pick up some tools and go for it.

73,

Bill  KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 9/29/20 4:38 AM, Sean Kelly wrote:
> I wish I could remember the name of the video where the Navy radioman writes a letter home saying they are learning to build whatever they would need from scratch.
>
> The main point is learning and I do realize that it's easy to get lazy and just be an opeator, but the rest of us need to promote craftsmanship. We need to teach it, if possible. Funny, during this pandemic, all I hear on NPR is "victim accounts". They never ask them what it would be like to live where a calamity forces people from their homes, instead they encourage people to shun their own pluck and talk about how bad it is to be stuck at home. People should be lucky to have a home, and bored hams should buy a breadboard in an order from Mouser or Digikey.
>
> These are great...
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theclassicarchives.com%2Fmagazines-and-books%2Fvintage-tube-radio%2Fradioshack-engineers-mini-notebooks-forrest-mims-electronics-books-dvd&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3efd50b282644a0fb88808d865069e31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370426381388987&amp;sdata=eLCjKadOo72AQWi%2FdTHdnYT8%2F9gx4y4Jk0%2F%2FbEPFtQ0%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> ...but if you can't afford them, having an internet connection and the desire to learn is all you really need. Almost everything one might want to learn is free online, somewhere. Or if not, figure it out on your own and then put the answer on your own website. That's what I say.
>
> Sean
>
> ________________________________________
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gene Smar via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
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> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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> If you haven't read 200 Meters and Down, shame!  It's like being an American
> citizen and not knowing the history of the Revolutionary War.  We all should
> want to know whence we came.
>
>
> 73 de
> Gene Smar  AD3F
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> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of CL in NC via
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>>From a previous comment:
>
> "...there is no "break even point".  You build stuff because you like to
> build stuff.  If you are only interested in operating, then buy an appliance
> and operate it.  Don't waste you time and money on building..."
>
> In the book '200 Meters and Down', is a wonderful observation about many of
> us.  We are fascinated with radio.  I think all of the milsurp crowd, and
> most who enjoy vintage gear still like the radio part.  It seems that radio
> to many others is just a box, like a router, something you hook ancillary
> devices too so you can type or talk.  The art and fascination of radio is no
> more deep than the on/off switch.
>
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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From robinson at tuberadio.com  Wed Sep 30 02:59:41 2020
From: robinson at tuberadio.com (robinson at tuberadio.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 06:59:41 -0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] When You Can't Get an IF Can
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Hi Dave,

How about an RFC in the plate cct
(replacing the primary)
and a coupling capacitor across the top?

Or alternatively,
swap primary for secondary,
and put the RFC where the secondary is.
This will make the primary tunable to a peak (good Q)
and as the secondary is usually loaded by the diode in V4
it has a low Q anyway
and thus is broad as a barn
and not much gain to be had.

Maybe no need for a resonator,
as the radio is probably broad
and on 3885
and short range anyway.

Regards
Ray



 David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Boatanchors at mailman" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>,
> 	"milsurplus at mailman" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] When You Can't Get an IF Can
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> Good Morning.
> Theoretical situation-
> You have an IF transformer with an open primary.
> For whatever reason, you cannot get a replacement
> or suitable substitute.? Some of you will recognize
> this diagram:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qtLG7oEEP73Lg7Yt6
>
> Possible solution:
> Use a 455 KC Ceramic Resonator-
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/SbYwxAEzubXCkGU27
>
> The 10 Ohm resistor is because that was the DC
> resistance of the secondary winding.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> 73 DE Dave AB5S
>
>
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From ka8wtk at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 10:23:31 2020
From: ka8wtk at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 10:23:31 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] A million parts
In-Reply-To: <613591706.1879970.1601389448178@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <613591706.1879970.1601389448178.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<613591706.1879970.1601389448178@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <da0e8976-a1ec-abfc-b70a-631882a49890@gmail.com>

It has been a while since I dealt with Gary. We used to see him at the 
local ham fests in years past. Sorry to hear of his passing, but glad 
someone is there to pick up the business. I remember when there was a 
storefront for the business. Inventorying all of that stuff will be a 
lot of work. Good luck to the new owner and will do business there again.

Bill KA8WTK




From brooke at pacific.net  Wed Sep 30 16:30:17 2020
From: brooke at pacific.net (Brooke Clarke)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:30:17 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] [SpyRadios] German spy radio operation in USA
In-Reply-To: <CAM2msK+WgHDbT-46++q0ke84p6Armvk3=x0QY=W+2AQqB-FWBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MWHPR22MB02699D0EEB0FD62C25E447D0E4330@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAM2msK+WgHDbT-46++q0ke84p6Armvk3=x0QY=W+2AQqB-FWBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b63808e3-56d7-fdae-72d1-c9a82d770718@pacific.net>

Hi Pete:

The House on 92nd Street 1945
https://youtu.be/WbiSU4w1nf8


The 39 Steps 1935 1080p
https://youtu.be/MVo7uK3vlYw

-- 
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
https://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
axioms:
1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it works.
2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs.

-------- Original Message --------
> The 39 Steps


From Telegrapher at Q.COM  Wed Sep 30 16:41:28 2020
From: Telegrapher at Q.COM (Larry)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:41:28 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] FS items
Message-ID: <7feb160f-d3e0-f236-d0c7-66b1b46ff75f@Q.COM>

For you ART-13 users, i have a 200 Kc sub assembly. Missing 2201 
though.? I think that's a 6SL7?? Otherwise comp[lete and unmodified.? 
Offers?

A small black box, 5 In. X 2 In. deep X 1 3/4 in high.? Has a 5 pin 
chassis mount and the 5 pin male Connector that goes with it.

MS3106A14S-5P.? $15

A single PL-152A, 8 pin from the command sets, forget where it went.? $13

1 ea Microphone Holder NAF-215689.? Mounted on the window sill on C-119 
acft anyway.? $15

1 ea? CVA-10139? NAF-215689 Mic holder same as above, different Mfgr.? 
Looks like it's anodized?? $15

1 ea Type CMX-10144 microphone holder.? 4 prong holder that the mic 
snaps into.? $10

1 ea Type 213264 microphone holder.? Same style as above, same mic.? $10

1 ea CLT-49068A connector for the LM freq meter i think.? 6 pins.? Has 3 
wires for connecting to an external power supply.? $9

1 ea C-30/ARC-5 NXsa-45469 #1652:CGM.? This is for the SCR-522? Very 
nice for $25

1 ea BC-631-B Jack box still in original box by Bendix.? $21

1 ea connectorPL-147-A, 9127.? This is the power connector for the ARC-5 
racks or at least it fits in my MT-63/ARC-5.? $13

1 ea rack, MT-63/ARC-5.? Black two (2) receiver rack.? A little dusty in 
places but complete and unmodified in any way that i can see.? really 
nice.? $200.

A bunch of ARC-12 and other connectors:

3 ea ARC-14501 6 pin? $10 ea.

2 ea ARC-14321 2 pin for power $14 ea

ARC-12370 2 pin for power $14

ARC-12370 2 pin for power (gold pins) NEW $17

ARC-14501 6 pin (gold plated pins) $13

2 ea ARC-12128 4 pin $15 ea

2 ea ARC-14050 8 pin like the PL-152A $14 ea

ARC-16115 19 pin (gold plated) $18

ARC-15912 8 pin $10

3 ea ARC-9488 3 pin NEW $13 ea

ARC-123713 pin NEW (Gold pins) $13

Hinge for the BC-312 power supply $6

Lots of Jones plugs/connectors, ARC-5/SCR-274N and other connectors yet 
to list.

Looking for something?

Above plus postage from 85606 in Southeast Arizona, Cochise county to be 
exact.? Need coordinates?

Larry W0OGH







From kk5f at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 30 18:21:54 2020
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 18:21:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] 8Q-2 MCW-CFI for T-47*/ART-13
Message-ID: <1674455344.9548.1601504514793@wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

V2201 on the 8Q-2 MCW-CFI unit is a JAN 12SL7GT.

Mike / KK5F


-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry <Telegrapher at Q.COM>
>Sent: Sep 30, 2020 3:41 PM
>To: Milsurplus at Mailman.qth.net
>Cc: Telegrapher at Q.COM
>Subject: [Milsurplus] FS items
>
>For you ART-13 users, i have a 200 Kc sub assembly. Missing 2201 
>though.? I think that's a 6SL7?? Otherwise comp[lete and unmodified.? 
>Offers?
>
>A small black box, 5 In. X 2 In. deep X 1 3/4 in high.? Has a 5 pin 
>chassis mount and the 5 pin male Connector that goes with it.
>MS3106A14S-5P.? $15
>
>Larry W0OGH


From Captain.Kelly at outlook.com  Wed Sep 30 18:42:35 2020
From: Captain.Kelly at outlook.com (Sean Kelly)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:42:35 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] FS items
In-Reply-To: <7feb160f-d3e0-f236-d0c7-66b1b46ff75f@Q.COM>
References: <7feb160f-d3e0-f236-d0c7-66b1b46ff75f@Q.COM>
Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB24221555DFA3CC80BF3050F1F5330@BYAPR19MB2422.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Looking for something?

Above plus postage from 85606 in Southeast Arizona, Cochise county to be
exact.  Need coordinates?

~~~~~
Larry,

Set of approach plates, maybe? :-) I'll try to think if I need anything which would be the same catagories you listed. High Z headphones, ~4K ohms? I found these new, but it would be fun to have the real deal. Could be minus the plug.

https://www.anythingradioactive.com/geiger-counter-accessories/Hi-Z-700-headphones

Sean

From mstangelo at comcast.net  Wed Sep 30 19:56:47 2020
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (MICHAEL ST ANGELO)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:56:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Shipboard machine shop
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR22MB02695B7A871A7146A5846DC0E4320@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1585792231.2012520.1601404542621.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1585792231.2012520.1601404542621@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1UWGgZ1GOw.18ElhyByTHC@zeus>
	<MWHPR22MB02695B7A871A7146A5846DC0E4320@MWHPR22MB0269.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1540566410.79993.1601510207166@connect.xfinity.com>

The Army Ground Forces Association, a living history group, is renovating Battery Gunnison/New Peck at Sandy Hook. Part of the renovation is machining the parts for the gun apparatus and the plotting tools. They have an on-site machine shop with tools dating back to Second World War. Some of the tools were used in the defense plants during the war. I asked the machinist running the shop how were the tools acquired. Apparently, after the war, the machine tools were donated to high schools in New Jersey for use in shop class. Those schools eventually closed the shop class and the machines were surplus.

Time moves on. The future is in software...

The tours are cancelled during the pandemic but I would recommend checking out the restoration when it reopens:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_Gunnison>

Mike N2MS

