From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Fri Jun  3 22:01:57 2022
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 21:01:57 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?
Message-ID: <0ad8d473-5fab-306a-165a-4120192451c3@ix.netcom.com>


Have any of you tired to use the little,
short and oval "half size" HC-49S crystals
in their DX-100 or other similar rig?
These are the tiny things you see in those inexpensive "QRP" kits on
Amazon.

I ask because I'm working 20 minutes here,
an hour there to get a Bendix 430 fishing
boat radio running. "Stock" uses HC-6 xtals.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FyLFwDbMXvWnCtCe6

The little "shorties" won't give enough drive
to run the Bendix circuit:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/QXfQXAVjrtf1WosL6

No buffer or multiplier here. Note the crystal
is between the plate and signal grid and has
310V B+ on it.

Here is the DX-100 transmitter circuit, minus the crystal switch
and clamper. The crystal is between the signal grid
and the screen grid- a variation of the Electron Coupled?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vfi99ePHKKk6vGHz7

I'm wondering if the 12BY7 in the DX-100 configuration
would perform better with the "shortie" crystals than
the Bendix circuit. What do you think?

TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun  3 22:34:57 2022
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 22:34:57 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?
In-Reply-To: <0ad8d473-5fab-306a-165a-4120192451c3@ix.netcom.com>
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>From all I read on different reflectors, the HC-49s tend to crack in most
tube circuits. They were really intended for SS stuff. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:02 PM
To: milsurplus at mailman <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?

 

 

Have any of you tired to use the little, short and oval "half size" HC-49S
crystals in their DX-100 or other similar rig?

These are the tiny things you see in those inexpensive "QRP" kits on Amazon.

 

I ask because I'm working 20 minutes here, an hour there to get a Bendix 430
fishing boat radio running. "Stock" uses HC-6 xtals.

 

 <https://photos.app.goo.gl/FyLFwDbMXvWnCtCe6>
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FyLFwDbMXvWnCtCe6

 

The little "shorties" won't give enough drive to run the Bendix circuit:

 

 <https://photos.app.goo.gl/QXfQXAVjrtf1WosL6>
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QXfQXAVjrtf1WosL6

 

No buffer or multiplier here. Note the crystal is between the plate and
signal grid and has 310V B+ on it.

 

Here is the DX-100 transmitter circuit, minus the crystal switch and
clamper. The crystal is between the signal grid and the screen grid- a
variation of the Electron Coupled?

 

 <https://photos.app.goo.gl/vfi99ePHKKk6vGHz7>
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vfi99ePHKKk6vGHz7

 

I'm wondering if the 12BY7 in the DX-100 configuration would perform better
with the "shortie" crystals than the Bendix circuit. What do you think?

 

TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S

 

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From old_radio at aol.com  Fri Jun  3 22:51:59 2022
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 02:51:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?
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DavidWhat crystal frequency or range of frequencies will float your boat?
Jim
Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

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Sent: Fri, Jun 3, 2022 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?

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Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals? ? ?Have any of you tired to use the little, short and oval "half size" HC-49S crystals in their DX-100 or other similar rig?These are the tiny things you see in those inexpensive "QRP" kits on Amazon. ?I ask because I'm working 20 minutes here, an hour there to get a Bendix 430 fishing boat radio running. "Stock" uses HC-6 xtals. ?https://photos.app.goo.gl/FyLFwDbMXvWnCtCe6 ?The little "shorties" won't give enough drive to run the Bendix circuit: ?https://photos.app.goo.gl/QXfQXAVjrtf1WosL6 ?No buffer or multiplier here. Note the crystal is between the plate and signal grid and has 310V B+ on it. ?Here is the DX-100 transmitter circuit, minus the crystal switch and clamper. The crystal is between the signal grid and the screen grid- a variation of the Electron Coupled? ?https://photos.app.goo.gl/vfi99ePHKKk6vGHz7 ?I'm wondering if the 12BY7 in the DX-100 configuration would perform better with the "shortie" crystals than the Bendix circuit. What do you think? ?TNX OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Jun  4 00:31:22 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 04:31:22 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?
In-Reply-To: <033401d877bb$ae77dbf0$0b6793d0$@eozinc.com>
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It seems a little obscure what the hard numbers on crystal current are, at least in my experience.
I have some lit on the design of the TRC-10 and this says that prelim design rejected because FT-243 crystal current is in the range of 100 mA.
For sure the little critters would have much less current capacity.
-Hue Miller 

From kb8tq at n1k.org  Sat Jun  4 00:56:53 2022
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 20:56:53 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] 12BY7 with tiny crystals?
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Hi

Crystals went from ?current ratings? to ?power? back in the 1950?s. Anything over
0.1 mw is a lot by modern standards. Anything over 1 mw is in the ?to much? range. 

To do the conversion ( current to power ) you would need to know the resistance
of the crystal. Something like 2X the frequency in MHz is probably the lowest ohm
number you would ever see on a fundamental HC-49. On a third overtone, triple that
number. 

From P = I^2 * R, a 10 MHz crystal at 20 ohms and 10 ma gets you to 0.01 ^2 * 20. 
That?s 2 mw assuming my calculator skills aren?t to far off. 

Bob

> On Jun 3, 2022, at 8:31 PM, Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> It seems a little obscure what the hard numbers on crystal current are, at least in my experience.
> I have some lit on the design of the TRC-10 and this says that prelim design rejected because FT-243 crystal current is in the range of 100 mA.
> For sure the little critters would have much less current capacity.
> -Hue Miller 
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From mjveach2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  4 11:22:18 2022
From: mjveach2 at yahoo.com (Michael Veach)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 15:22:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB: Speaker and headphones for R390
References: <2099305045.7219067.1654356138862.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2099305045.7219067.1654356138862@mail.yahoo.com>

Guys,
I am looking for a pair of good headphones that will work with an R390. The impedance needs to be 600 ohms, or I would also need a suitable matching transformer.
I am also looking for an old style wall mount PA speaker, like the wooden ones you saw up on the wall in old school classrooms. From what I understand, some of these are already 600 home and wouldn?t need any additional transformer. But if you have a speaker that is not 600 home and a suitable matching transformer, that would be great too. Please reply here with a price, or if this is too off-topic for this list because there are no military items like this, then please email me at mjveach2 at yahoo.com with a price. I looked at fair radio, but I didn?t see anything on their website that would work for me.
73,
Mike Veach
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein.
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Sat Jun  4 11:45:53 2022
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB: Speaker and headphones for R390
In-Reply-To: <2099305045.7219067.1654356138862@mail.yahoo.com>
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You will get the best audio from the diode output terminals on the strip in the back. Need to bring it to a decent amplifier and then good speakers. Sound fantastic on AM. 73 ? Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Michael Veach via Milsurplus
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 11:22 AM
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB: Speaker and headphones for R390

 

Guys,

 

I am looking for a pair of good headphones that will work with an R390. The impedance needs to be 600 ohms, or I would also need a suitable matching transformer.

 

I am also looking for an old style wall mount PA speaker, like the wooden ones you saw up on the wall in old school classrooms. From what I understand, some of these are already 600 home and wouldn?t need any additional transformer. But if you have a speaker that is not 600 home and a suitable matching transformer, that would be great too. Please reply here with a price, or if this is too off-topic for this list because there are no military items like this, then please email me at mjveach2 at yahoo.com <mailto:mjveach2 at yahoo.com>  with a price. I looked at fair radio, but I didn?t see anything on their website that would work for me.

 

73,

 

Mike Veach

 

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From old_radio at aol.com  Sat Jun  4 13:15:55 2022
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:15:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB: Speaker and headphones for R390
In-Reply-To: <2099305045.7219067.1654356138862@mail.yahoo.com>
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MikeCheck out your local Habitat for Humanities or thrift shop for speakers.? You should be able to find a nice small vintage bookshelf speaker for not much money.? Hang it on the wall if you like.? eBay has transformers? Item # 125305555962 is one for $13 which includes shipping for one and $8 each including shipping for four.? Hard to beat that price!Jim

Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

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To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, Jun 4, 2022 10:22 am
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB: Speaker and headphones for R390

Guys,
I am looking for a pair of good headphones that will work with an R390. The impedance needs to be 600 ohms, or I would also need a suitable matching transformer.
I am also looking for an old style wall mount PA speaker, like the wooden ones you saw up on the wall in old school classrooms. From what I understand, some of these are already 600 home and wouldn?t need any additional transformer. But if you have a speaker that is not 600 home and a suitable matching transformer, that would be great too. Please reply here with a price, or if this is too off-topic for this list because there are no military items like this, then please email me at mjveach2 at yahoo.com with a price. I looked at fair radio, but I didn?t see anything on their website that would work for me.
73,
Mike Veach
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sat Jun  4 20:13:34 2022
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:13:34 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Well, they made posters about it.



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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sat Jun  4 21:07:22 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 01:07:22 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Thanks a whole lot, Dave ! 
I saved it, rotated to horizontal image, then printed it landscape mode. This sucked a whole lot of ink from my bottom end printer,
But produced a real neat full page poster image !
-Hue Miller 

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  5 06:52:37 2022
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2022 10:52:37 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
Message-ID: <f207986b-7bc1-5462-f98f-53a118cec01e@earthlink.net>

More than 50 years ago when I was on USS Intrepid CVS-11 we operated in the Norwegian and Barents Seas above the Arctic Circle.? I enjoyed using my Radio Shack pocket AM-FM radio from the starboard forward gun tub to listen to AM radio broadcasts from who-knows-where.
?
I think I was 30 years too late for u-boats (many still on the sea bottom below) to detect my radio's LO.? :-)
?
Mike / KK5F
(I still have that AM-FM radio.? I used it on all my later tours at sea...but only in port on my SSBN.)
?
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From old_radio at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 13:20:59 2022
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Nice poster but this is perhaps the most successful Allied misdirection of all of those produced in WW2.? This plus the story about carrots and the eyesight of night fighter pilots helped hide the Allied advances in radar that turned the tide in the war.?Jim
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From mstangelo at comcast.net  Sun Jun  5 14:06:27 2022
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (mstangelo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 14:06:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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I always wondered how a submarine could detect the presence and direction of a weak LO signal using 1940's technology? I them found out about the Allied cover for radar.

Mike N2MS

> On 06/05/2022 1:20 PM Jim Whartenby via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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> 
> Nice poster but this is perhaps the most successful Allied misdirection of all of those produced in WW2. This plus the story about carrots and the eyesight of night fighter pilots helped hide the Allied advances in radar that turned the tide in the war.
> Jim
> 
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From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 14:25:09 2022
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (William Cromwell)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 14:25:09 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Hi,

This comes up every once in a while. Of course we can detect and DF the 
local oscillator(s) in a receiver. But we have to be pretty close to it. 
Any submarine would be close enough to see and hear any 'target' ships. 
There has been no archival record of any submarine ever DFing a receiver 
local oscillator and in fact some German U-boat commanders have stated 
that the German U-Boat service dismissed it out of hand.

And then there is the offering for sale of SWR paint for CB'ers to 
improve their antennas. I tried that and it just didn't work. Maybe it 
only works on 11 meters. <evil grin>

73,

Bill KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 6/5/22 2:06 PM, mstangelo at comcast.net wrote:
> I always wondered how a submarine could detect the presence and direction of a weak LO signal using 1940's technology? I them found out about the Allied cover for radar.
>
> Mike N2MS
>
>> On 06/05/2022 1:20 PM Jim Whartenby via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nice poster but this is perhaps the most successful Allied misdirection of all of those produced in WW2. This plus the story about carrots and the eyesight of night fighter pilots helped hide the Allied advances in radar that turned the tide in the war.
>> Jim
>>
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>> Well, they made posters about it.
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Jun  5 15:28:47 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 19:28:47 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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>Nice poster but this is perhaps the most successful Allied misdirection of all of those produced in WW2.? This plus the story about carrots and the eyesight of night fighter pilots helped hide the Allied advances in radar that turned the tide in the war.?
Jim

I do not recall reading anything about carrots, that sounds more like something out of Looney-Tunes cartoons, but I somewhere saw a claim that Brit fighter pilots ate bilberry jam with breakfast; the story goes that this aided their night vision, so valuable for night fighter defense against German bombers. I am a skeptic but there is perhaps a basis in truth to such story. Night driving used to be a terror 
for me. The thing is, as we age, the eye's recovery time is not so fast any more, so you have a hard time dealing with oncoming headlight glare, the alternation of glare and no glare road lighting. If you wish to try a regime that may work for you, you want a supplement that provides in one, I mean one, softgel or one liquid dose at least 10 mg lutein and at the least 2 mg of zeaxanthin. Some supplements include astaxanthin 2 mg also. I have kept various brands around so I get all three. This is the absolute minimum daily dose and you  probably will want to 2x or 3x this amount. I didn't notice an improvement the next week but I'd say over months, I certainly did, and truthfully, this pleasantly surprised me. Bilberry, some supplements do include it or you can find it low priced in standalone supplements, gelcaps, like even at discount grocers. I also found that when driving my older vehicle at night, If I turned up the dash light to max, this constant light level helped with night vision, in that it reduced the max glare - to nonglare alternation presented to the eyes. 

Remember, the guarantee extended with free advice is that you get a full refund on what you paid. 

I also determined some decades back that unlike my father and my brother, I would fight becoming bald. I won that war, but it did take decades to figure it out. I'm not ready to publish anything on that
subject yet, and anyway, I know that most people simply lack the discipline or faith to follow the protocol in their daily lives. 
-Hue Miller 
Newport, Oregon 

From old_radio at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 15:41:50 2022
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 19:41:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Huehttps://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26998/20200822/story-between-carrots-night-vision.htmJim

Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

-----Original Message-----
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To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2022 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?

>Nice poster but this is perhaps the most successful Allied misdirection of all of those produced in WW2.? This plus the story about carrots and the eyesight of night fighter pilots helped hide the Allied advances in radar that turned the tide in the war.?
Jim

I do not recall reading anything about carrots, that sounds more like something out of Looney-Tunes cartoons, but I somewhere saw a claim that Brit fighter pilots ate bilberry jam with breakfast; the story goes that this aided their night vision, so valuable for night fighter defense against German bombers. I am a skeptic but there is perhaps a basis in truth to such story. Night driving used to be a terror 
for me. The thing is, as we age, the eye's recovery time is not so fast any more, so you have a hard time dealing with oncoming headlight glare, the alternation of glare and no glare road lighting. If you wish to try a regime that may work for you, you want a supplement that provides in one, I mean one, softgel or one liquid dose at least 10 mg lutein and at the least 2 mg of zeaxanthin. Some supplements include astaxanthin 2 mg also. I have kept various brands around so I get all three. This is the absolute minimum daily dose and you? probably will want to 2x or 3x this amount. I didn't notice an improvement the next week but I'd say over months, I certainly did, and truthfully, this pleasantly surprised me. Bilberry, some supplements do include it or you can find it low priced in standalone supplements, gelcaps, like even at discount grocers. I also found that when driving my older vehicle at night, If I turned up the dash light to max, this constant light level helped with night vision, in that it reduced the max glare - to nonglare alternation presented to the eyes. 

Remember, the guarantee extended with free advice is that you get a full refund on what you paid. 

I also determined some decades back that unlike my father and my brother, I would fight becoming bald. I won that war, but it did take decades to figure it out. I'm not ready to publish anything on that
subject yet, and anyway, I know that most people simply lack the discipline or faith to follow the protocol in their daily lives. 
-Hue Miller 
Newport, Oregon 
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From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 20:04:01 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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>Hue
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26998/20200822/story-between-carrots-night-vision.htm
Jim

There are no references provided. I suggest this article is highly fluff. Even in those benighted times, well before our present benighted times, I don't think anyone
really thought carrots gave a noticeable advantage for night vision. The story that came down through the years and survives is about bilberry. Although I do doubt
that you can get enough of the active constituents by having bilberry jam with breakfast. Maybe some night vision effect was noticed over the years in ages past
from consumption of bilberry over time, and this knowledge entered folk wisdom. Those RAF fighter pilots were pretty young guys anyway and didn't need all the
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From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:11:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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HueOK, here is some more "fluff"http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/ww2seeinthedark.htmlLots of references?about halfway down the article?and some more nice images of period posters.
Other sources:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/carrots-eyesight-world-war-ii-propaganda-england
https://www.nytimes.com/1940/12/23/archives/london-urges-carrot-diet-for-blackout-blindness.html?legacy=truehttps://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/nov/01/blackout-britain-wartimehttps://www.ceenta.com/news-blog/carrots-night-vision-and-world-war-ii

I've known about this carrot propaganda for at least 50 years so I thought it was common knowledge.??
I think the Germans were well aware of the British radars.
Evidently not, but German scientist were aware of the principles of the cavity magnetron as early as 1936, see:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4142066But as we all well know, knowing the principle and reducing it to practice is like comparing night to day.? I believe that when the Telefunken engineers got the captured H2S radar working again, in early 1943, they were very surprised.??
Others would know better but I don't think Germany had a working microwave radar until the very end of the war.??
All of their wonderful advances came too late to change the outcome.Jim
Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

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Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2022 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?

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From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:29:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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>All of their wonderful advances came too late to change the outcome.

That seems consistent with things I'd read about Hitler's thinking that much investment in longrange R&D & even training programs were a distraction because the war was going to be over before any of them had time to bear fruit.? Apparently, after that dream ended & the tide turned against them, they started to take interest in new concepts.
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Sun Jun  5 18:03:53 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 22:03:53 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Looking up some info on 'bilberry',  I came across this
"....there is no documented evidence that the pilots actually ate bilberry jam. Some accounts suggest that the rumour was spread by the military to distract the Germans from the fact that the British were testing radar equipment on their planes. In some versions of the story, it were carrots that was the cause of the pilots success.
While the dietary habits of the World War II pilots are debatable, the supposed benefits of bilberries for the eyes did arouse researchers' interest...." 
( From: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/nutrition-you-asked/it-true-bilberries-are-good-eyes )

I had no idea of the carrot part of the story, and the "Carrot Museum" page is quite a revelation and amusing besides.  ( http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/ww2seeinthedark.html ) 
It certainly could use some editing, though. 

When did microwave radar appear with the Allies ? It would have to have been, I suppose, early 1943, because it helped win the Battle of the Atlantic. Certainly the Reich knew about airborne
radar before this, although not microwave radar. 

Re German wartime technology, I just skimmed an article that said the 'Zimmerit' anti-magnetic mine past applied to German tanks added five days to the production of the Tiger tank. That's what
It said. That includes pasting it on and heat treating it. The article said contrarywise, only the Germans had magnetic mines ! I don't however believe that without reservation; I thought I'd read
that the Soviet army had those. In any case, probably not even a major concerning threat to the panzers. Or in a similar concern, I wonder if the time and probably fantastic expense producing 
the E52 receiver was "worth it", really. Certainly the readout and easy choice of selectivity made it easier to operate than other receivers, but what did it actually deliver that something like a 
RBC or SP-200 series did not ? 
-Hue Miller 

From r390a.urr at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 19:51:17 2022
From: r390a.urr at gmail.com (Dave Merrill)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 18:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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An excellent source is: "A Radar History of World War II" by Louis Brown
(ISBN 0750306599)

http://tinyurl.com/RadarHistory

I think I was able to find this through inter-library loan.


On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 4:11 PM Jim Whartenby via Milsurplus <
milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hue
> OK, here is some more "fluff"
> http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/ww2seeinthedark.html
> Lots of references about halfway down the article and some more nice
> images of period posters.
>
> Other sources:
>
> https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/carrots-eyesight-world-war-ii-propaganda-england
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/1940/12/23/archives/london-urges-carrot-diet-for-blackout-blindness.html?legacy=true
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/nov/01/blackout-britain-wartime
> https://www.ceenta.com/news-blog/carrots-night-vision-and-world-war-ii
>
> I've known about this carrot propaganda for at least 50 years so I thought
> it was common knowledge.
>
> I think the Germans were well aware of the British radars.
> Evidently not, but German scientist were aware of the principles of the
> cavity magnetron as early as 1936, see:
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4142066
> But as we all well know, knowing the principle and reducing it to practice
> is like comparing night to day.  I believe that when the Telefunken
> engineers got the captured H2S radar working again, in early 1943, they
> were very surprised.
>
> Others would know better but I don't think Germany had a working microwave
> radar until the very end of the war.
>
> All of their wonderful advances came too late to change the outcome.
> Jim
> Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.
> Murphy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2022 3:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
>
>
> >Hue
>
> https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26998/20200822/story-between-carrots-night-vision.htm
> Jim
>
> There are no references provided. I suggest this article is highly fluff.
> Even in those benighted times, well before our present benighted times, I
> don?t think anyone
> really thought carrots gave a noticeable advantage for night vision. The
> story that came down through the years and survives is about bilberry.
> Although I do doubt
> that you can get enough of the active constituents by having bilberry jam
> with breakfast. Maybe some night vision effect was noticed over the years
> in ages past
> from consumption of bilberry over time, and this knowledge entered folk
> wisdom. Those RAF fighter pilots were pretty young guys anyway and didn?t
> need all the
> help with night vision that I did. I think the Germans were well aware of
> the British radars.
> -Hue Miller
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From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 01:23:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] German VOM meter advice ?
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Here is a VOM my friend J bought at a recent hamfest. It's German, WWII era, nothing fabulous and no fabulous confected story of provenance.
It would be fun to use, but....the pointer and meter coil are gone !
This is a real long shot: but do you recognize a very similar U.S. or Brit model, perhaps this was copied from, that we could get, just for the meter
replacement ? Advice, or just give it up ?
tnx
Hue Miller
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From old_radio at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 22:44:26 2022
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 02:44:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Thanks Dave!? eBay also offers a copy, item #?255566361517
In doing the research I found a paper by Bernard Lovell titled: The Cavity Magnetron in World War II: Was the Secrecy Justified?? Interesting in that the Germans were already familiar with the cavity magnetron since it was published by the Soviets in 1936.? That raises more questions on why didn't the German military do further research on the magnetron and independently develop centimetric radar?
You can download the paper from Sci-Hub at:?https://sci-hub.se/10.1098/rsnr.2004.0058It's only 13 pages and an easy read.JimLogic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Merrill <r390a.urr at gmail.com>
To: Jim Whartenby <old_radio at aol.com>
Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2022 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?

An excellent source is: "A Radar History of World War II" by Louis Brown? (ISBN 0750306599)
http://tinyurl.com/RadarHistory
I think I was able to find this through inter-library loan.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 4:11 PM Jim Whartenby via Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

HueOK, here is some more "fluff"http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/ww2seeinthedark.htmlLots of references?about halfway down the article?and some more nice images of period posters.
Other sources:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/carrots-eyesight-world-war-ii-propaganda-england
https://www.nytimes.com/1940/12/23/archives/london-urges-carrot-diet-for-blackout-blindness.html?legacy=truehttps://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/nov/01/blackout-britain-wartimehttps://www.ceenta.com/news-blog/carrots-night-vision-and-world-war-ii

I've known about this carrot propaganda for at least 50 years so I thought it was common knowledge.??
I think the Germans were well aware of the British radars.
Evidently not, but German scientist were aware of the principles of the cavity magnetron as early as 1936, see:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4142066But as we all well know, knowing the principle and reducing it to practice is like comparing night to day.? I believe that when the Telefunken engineers got the captured H2S radar working again, in early 1943, they were very surprised.??
Others would know better but I don't think Germany had a working microwave radar until the very end of the war.??
All of their wonderful advances came too late to change the outcome.Jim
Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2022 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?

 ? >Hue https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26998/20200822/story-between-carrots-night-vision.htm Jim  ? There are no references provided. I suggest this article is highly fluff. Even in those benighted times, well before our present benighted times, I don?t think anyone really thought carrots gave a noticeable advantage for night vision. The story that came down through the years and survives is about bilberry. Although I do doubt that you can get enough of the active constituents by having bilberry jam with breakfast. Maybe some night vision effect was noticed over the years in ages past from consumption of bilberry over time, and this knowledge entered folk wisdom. Those RAF fighter pilots were pretty young guys anyway and didn?t need all the  help with night vision that I did. I think the Germans were well aware of the British radars.-Hue Miller ______________________________________________________________
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun  6 02:33:31 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 06:33:31 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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So that's the origin of the 'Battle of Britain and bilberry' story. I learned from that. As for the carrots & night vision myth, that seems to be really a laughable idea,
even in the WWII era. I've read some 'health literature' from the 1940s, and don't think any of them would hazard a claim like that. Now in the case of an actual vitamin A deficiency,
night vision won't be your only problem. Bilberry approximately equals blueberry, which is rich in antioxidants, but won't particularly support your vision either. 

I have in my to - scan pile, a British popular radio magazine from the mid - 1920s that shows a schematic or cutaway view of a magnetron. Of course I was surprised to see
this device shown at that date. Before posting this I had to take a look at Wiki and I see yes, the magnetron does date to the 1920s. 
-Hue Miller 

From navy.radio at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 06:07:49 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 06:07:49 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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FWIW
Smithsonian Magazine story including WW2 ?Eat carrots for better eyesight?
posters.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/a-wwii-propaganda-campaign-popularized-the-myth-that-carrots-help-you-see-in-the-dark-28812484/


-- 
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From briankn4r at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 07:00:10 2022
From: briankn4r at gmail.com (Brian Harrison)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 07:00:10 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Feedback and Video of N7RCA Minden,
	NV ham swap meet 2022
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Subject: N7RCA Minden, Nevada ham swap meet 2022
Date: June 5, 2022 at 6:52:33 PM EDT
...
Probably just over 30 sellers but lots of buyers. Lots of gear and very heavy with military radio equipment with three R-390As, a few R-388s, TBW complete, several PRC-47s. Lots of mil-gear came from the estate of one of our recent SK local hams that was a long-time mil-rad guy. Enormous amount of gear at that space.
...
Anyway, one of our ham pals, N9AMI (in Silver Springs, Nevada despite the "9" call) shot an 11 minute video of the swap meet that shows most of the mil-rad culprits that are out here in the West. The guy that goes on about "whisky shots" and "sliding off the couch" is W7MS and that's me with him (I have the wide brim hat on) and the other guy is W6MQI, who bought a GRC-106 at the swap. Anyway, it shows the Northern Nevada area pretty well and shows one of our best ham swaps in the area.

Here's the link to the video:   https://youtu.be/tyjANHEP3RY <https://youtu.be/tyjANHEP3RY>

73, Henry WA7YBS

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From r390a.urr at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 11:09:34 2022
From: r390a.urr at gmail.com (Dave Merrill)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 10:09:34 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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Getting back to RADAR, has anyone read this?

https://www.amazon.com/Radar-Origins-Worldwide-History-Evolution/dp/1426921101/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3P6XAXKHAZW5Y&keywords=%22Radar+Origins+Worldwide%22&qid=1654527950&rnid=2941120011&s=books&sprefix=%2Caps%2C108&sr=1-1

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, 5:08 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW
> Smithsonian Magazine story including WW2 ?Eat carrots for better eyesight?
> posters.
>
>
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/a-wwii-propaganda-campaign-popularized-the-myth-that-carrots-help-you-see-in-the-dark-28812484/
>
>
> --
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 12:18:22 2022
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Radar and such
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Two of the best documentaries I ever have seen were on the original History Channel decades ago when they still had history.  One was on the X15, the other on the development of RADAR.  These videos I have not seen again and have been unable to find a DVD for them.  The X15 was quite the aircraft.  I learned that it was not a pilot that endured the most G's ever experienced by a human, but an engineer strapped into the X15 who survived the explosion of the 1 million pound thrust engine installed in the craft while it was clamped to the test bed.  It only moved a few inches, but the G forces to move it were off the chart.  NASA forbade the Air Force from going into outer space, passing that arbitrary line that was labelled 'outer space'.  Air Force pilots had a real issue with the formation of NASA. On the X-15's last flight, bets were taken that the pilot, (famous, but have forgotten his name) who was not afraid to thumb his nose at NASA, was going to actually break that limit, but he did not.  He would have been the first man in space back in 50's. An interesting bit of trivia in the RADAR docu, was testing and working the bugs out of the radar while flying just off the east coast of the US and tinkering with the set.  After several fails, the got another glitch and cussed the problem, only to realize it was working and picked up a German U-Boat periscope on the surface of the water.  They had no armament, but flew down to it and threw a wrench at it. The unconvinced ARMY was only convinced about its usefulness when a prototype RADAR was put on and adapted to a motorized gun mount that had a movie camera installed.  As the RADAR followed the aircraft and provided the input signals to the computer (analog mechanical of course)  that controlled the gun mount, the aircraft stayed in the reticle of the camera the entire time.  After installation on a real mount, and used in England, not one V1 ever landed again, every one was shot down if it came in the range of those guns.

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 12:57:05 2022
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fwd: [FARC] Teletype Hardware clear out Free to good
	home(s)
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 Free to good home(s)

*From:* 'Lester Veenstra' via Frederick Amateur Radio Club <
frederick-amateur-radio-club at googlegroups.com>
*Date:* June 6, 2022 at 08:47:33 EDT
*To:* frederick-amateur-radio-club at googlegroups.com
*Cc:* Lester Veenstra <m0ycm at veenstras.com>
*Subject:* *[FARC] Teletype  Hardware clear out  Free to good home(s)*
*Reply-To:* frederick-amateur-radio-club at googlegroups.com

?

Hardware clear out   Free to good home(s)

All or part

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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun  6 16:31:48 2022
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 20:31:48 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] DFing The LOs?
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That fear also possibly explains why foreign freighters calling at Pacific NW ports had their old radio equipment swapped out for contemporary U.S. equipment. I can think of 4 specific 1920s ship equipments that showed up in the Pac. NW in private hands, "off the books" acquisitions, maybe.
Hue Miller



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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Mon Jun  6 16:33:27 2022
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 20:33:27 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] 2022 Hamvention attendance
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>From the Hamvention People:

The official attendance at Hamvention 2022 was 31,367  General Chairman Rick Allnutt, WS8G, said although that was about 1,000 less than 2019, he considered it not bad for a pandemic recovery year. Hamvention was cancelled in 2020 and 2021 because of the covid pandemic.

I thought it was a good show.
2016       25,364 Last year at the old Hara dump.
2017       29,296   First time in Xenia, year of the "Mud Fest"
2018       28,417
2019       32,472
2020       Covid
2021       Covid
2022       31,367
The only time you saw attendance in the thirty's was back around 1990 to 2000, think the lowest point was 2008/2009 with numbers around seventeen and eighteen thousand.

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From gfsmith at cox.net  Mon Jun  6 20:11:18 2022
From: gfsmith at cox.net (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2022 17:11:18 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Radar and such
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Hi Charlie,
While I do agree that radar was a huge part of the V1 shoot down 
equation that's only 1/2 the story. The other half was the Proximity 
shell/fuse. This development and how it literally saved (along with 
radar) Britain is documented in the wonder book "12 Seconds of 
Silence" (Amazon Link: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T4J3Z3V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o04?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
). Many people do not realize (and I did not realize) just how 
destructive the V1 bombing experience was to Britain. With the 
deployment of Radar and Proximity shells/fuzes (Used by Coastal 
defense forces in Britain made mostly of female recruits) Britain was 
saved. As documented in the book, the shoot down rate for V1's went 
from 9% before the fuse to 97% after it was fully integrated into the 
fight. The effective use of the Proximity fuse in the Pacific is also 
documented.

73, Gordon KJ6IKT

At 09:18 AM 6/6/2022, CL in NC via Milsurplus wrote:
>Two of the best documentaries I ever have seen were on the original 
>History Channel decades ago when they still had history.  One was on 
>the X15, the other on the development of RADAR.  These videos I have 
>not seen again and have been unable to find a DVD for them.  The X15 
>was quite the aircraft.  I learned that it was not a pilot that 
>endured the most G's ever experienced by a human, but an engineer 
>strapped into the X15 who survived the explosion of the 1 million 
>pound thrust engine installed in the craft while it was clamped to 
>the test bed.  It only moved a few inches, but the G forces to move 
>it were off the chart.  NASA forbade the Air Force from going into 
>outer space, passing that arbitrary line that was labelled 'outer 
>space'.  Air Force pilots had a real issue with the formation of 
>NASA. On the X-15's last flight, bets were taken that the pilot, 
>(famous, but have forgotten his name) who was not afraid to thumb 
>his nose at NASA, was going to actually break that limi
>  t, but he did not.  He would have been the first man in space back 
> in 50's. An interesting bit of trivia in the RADAR docu, was 
> testing and working the bugs out of the radar while flying just off 
> the east coast of the US and tinkering with the set.  After several 
> fails, the got another glitch and cussed the problem, only to 
> realize it was working and picked up a German U-Boat periscope on 
> the surface of the water.  They had no armament, but flew down to 
> it and threw a wrench at it. The unconvinced ARMY was only 
> convinced about its usefulness when a prototype RADAR was put on 
> and adapted to a motorized gun mount that had a movie camera 
> installed.  As the RADAR followed the aircraft and provided the 
> input signals to the computer (analog mechanical of course)  that 
> controlled the gun mount, the aircraft stayed in the reticle of the 
> camera the entire time.  After installation on a real mount, and 
> used in England, not one V1 ever landed again, every one was shot 
> down if it came i
>  n the range of those guns.
>
>Charlie, W4MEC in NC


From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jun  6 20:40:11 2022
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Fishing Boat Radio Xtals.
Message-ID: <a6a28eeb-7483-2b34-ebbd-3776f1ed19e0@ix.netcom.com>

The Bendix 430 100W AM transceiver needs
the following crystals. Original is HC-6U but
I can adapt almost any holder
as long as it's larger than HC-49:

Looking for these freqs:
1885??? 3880
2340??? 3415??? 3425??? 3435
1430??? 4325??? 4335??? 4345
4385??? 4545??? 4630

Buy or trade or?

If you have one within 2-3 KC,
I can grind or "Pencil" them
close enough.

TNX OM DE Dave AB5S

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Jun  6 23:12:50 2022
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 23:12:50 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Feedback and Video of N7RCA Minden,
	NV ham swap meet 2022
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Thanks for the virtual hamfest. I liked that little portable 2 to 12 meg
transceiver. Actually, there was a lot of things to like, HI. 73 - Mike 

 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS

89 Arnold Blvd.

Howell NJ 07731

848-245-9115

 

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Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 7:00 AM
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Subject: [Milsurplus] Feedback and Video of N7RCA Minden, NV ham swap meet
2022

 

Subject: N7RCA Minden, Nevada ham swap meet 2022

Date: June 5, 2022 at 6:52:33 PM EDT

...

Probably just over 30 sellers but lots of buyers. Lots of gear and very
heavy with military radio equipment with three R-390As, a few R-388s, TBW
complete, several PRC-47s. Lots of mil-gear came from the estate of one of
our recent SK local hams that was a long-time mil-rad guy. Enormous amount
of gear at that space.

...

Anyway, one of our ham pals, N9AMI (in Silver Springs, Nevada despite the
"9" call) shot an 11 minute video of the swap meet that shows most of the
mil-rad culprits that are out here in the West. The guy that goes on about
"whisky shots" and "sliding off the couch" is W7MS and that's me with him (I
have the wide brim hat on) and the other guy is W6MQI, who bought a GRC-106
at the swap. Anyway, it shows the Northern Nevada area pretty well and shows
one of our best ham swaps in the area.

 

Here's the link to the video:    <https://youtu.be/tyjANHEP3RY>
https://youtu.be/tyjANHEP3RY

 

73, Henry WA7YBS

 

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From joldenburg2 at new.rr.com  Tue Jun  7 16:32:58 2022
From: joldenburg2 at new.rr.com (joldenburg2 at new.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:32:58 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [MMRCG] 2022 Hamvention attendance
Message-ID: <9f247987ac2b06c681a600235b08c06149241639@webmail>

Some addtional nummbers I found

	2000: 28,804 (ARRL Newsletter)
2001: 26,151 (ARRL Newsletter, hard rain)
2002: 24,832 (ARRL Newsletter)
2003: 22,168 (ARRL Newsletter, nearly constant rain on Saturday)
2004: 19,869 (ARRL Newsletter, rain)
2005: 20,411 (ARRL Newsletter)
2006: 20,324 (ARRL Newsletter)
2007: 19,318 (K4KL, ARRL Newsletter)
2008: 17,250 (ARRL Newsletter, Friday rain but sunny overall)
(Hamvention Reflector 6-29-08)
2009: 18,877 (K4KL, ARRL Newsletter, rain late Saturday afternoon for
short while)
2010: 19,750. (ARRL Newsletter, mostly sunny, pleasant weekend)
2011: 22,312 (Dayton Hamvention direct query ? WA8APB) Sunny and
warm all 3 days

	 Hamvention attendance peaked in 1993 at 33,669, before the 1996
change in date from April to May while it was still being held at Hara
Arena. Attendance in 2016 for the show?s final year at Hara was
25,364

	I have attended since 1998

	Jon AB9AH

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Subject: [MMRCG] 2022 Hamvention attendance

	From the Hamvention People: 

	The official attendance at Hamvention 2022 was 31,367 General
Chairman Rick Allnutt, WS8G, said although that was about 1,000 less
than 2019, he considered it not bad for a pandemic recovery year.
Hamvention was cancelled in 2020 and 2021 because of the covid
pandemic. 

	I thought it was a good show. 

	2016 25,364 Last year at the old Hara dump. 

	2017 29,296 First time in Xenia, year of the ?Mud Fest? 

	2018 28,417 

	2019 32,472 

	2020 Covid 

	2021 Covid 

	2022 31,367 

	The only time you saw attendance in the thirty?s was back around
1990 to 2000, think the lowest point was 2008/2009 with numbers around
seventeen and eighteen thousand. 

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From kmec at aol.com  Tue Jun  7 20:35:53 2022
From: kmec at aol.com (Jeff Kruth)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 00:35:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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Well, I dont want to start a fight, it really doesnt matter. But I have been to Dayton since 1972. I was there on the years of over 30K people. The rows were JAMMED, couldnt walk five feet with having to struggle by people. The aisles at Hara were as wide or wider than the infield at Xenia. The insides of the arena were PACKED back then, not now.
This is not even close to what I saw this year. Folks, you are being lied to. It may be "whistling past the graveyard" because if word gets around Dayton is dying out, it will die faster. But 31K? NO WAY. Maybe there were ticket sales for (a fraction of) that, and people didnt show because of Covid or Gas or whatever. But they were not at the show. Even my kids, who have only been a couple of times said "Hey Dad, there is no one here!" on Friday and Saturday morning. A friend who runs a big surplus establishment in Texas came up by himself, sans family. He told me Saturday morning he did not think he would make his gas expenses. Dont think he will be back at the current rate of Gasflation.I wish for the best, but am a realist. Hamfests are going out, Dayton included. Manassas VA, last weekend, I am told, was a bust this year: filled an entire show grounds field years back, so many cars got tired of walking to the end to see the new arrivals, this year 45-50 tailgaters, and hardly any buyers. Report from a reputable observer who I trust.That was my observation with Xenia this year: No real number of buyers, just other vendors buying stuff from each other. Say what you want, but I go to see my friends, many of whom are regular vendors (remember Billys tent full of High end TE on Metro racks, he doesnt go anymore). They just dont come out. Sad.I also judge by what I bring home: usually fill the truck up. This year, it all fit in a copy paper box. And no, its not because I am picky or already have stuff: I look for the eclectic. Tommy, from Maryland, who has the standup "Vacuum Tube Betty" sign (cute!) was not there. He usually brought a load of stuff gleaned from the surplus sales at various Wash DC institutions, cool stuff. Not this year.? A lot of what I saw should have been in a dumpster, but hey, if you dont build anything in a country, there is no surplus stuff to go to the HF with.? I did better at HoCo fairgrounds near Baltimore, a week later, where I "gave away" a trailer load of old test equipment (yah, that was me, made a lot of guys happy with old Tek & Heath stuff, Simpson 260s by the double handfull). It was given to me by my old job, and I wanted to get it out there, I didnt need it. That was FUN.Sure, you are seeing stuff from estate sales. Maybe things you always wanted. Good on that, its always fun to find something cool. Give it a new home for a few years.I really miss the old days, but nothing lasts forever, especially not us. At >$5 a gallon, those 150 mile one way hamfests will not see me, I cant even make expenses and dont find much. I know a lot of folks hate eBay, but its really become one of the only outlets for past treasures.Jeff Kruth
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Jun  8 00:25:42 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 04:25:42 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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I hadn?t thought about gas expense. That should make hamfairs this summer more interesting. The impression I got from seeing estate sales
at recent hamfair swaps: ?The radios are living long past their owners, and it really is a buyer?s market.?
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From kb8tq at n1k.org  Wed Jun  8 01:38:42 2022
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 21:38:42 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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Hi

Hate to say it, but ?. its been a been a ?buyers market? since roughly 1945.
If you look at the ?new? cost of this stuff, it has been going for pennies on the 
dollar ever since WWII ended. 

Bob

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I hadn?t thought about gas expense. That should make hamfairs this summer more interesting. The impression I got from seeing estate sales
> at recent hamfair swaps: ?The radios are living long past their owners, and it really is a buyer?s market.?
> -Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Jun  8 02:29:09 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 06:29:09 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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And I wasn't even referring to WWII gear. I recently helped test and pack up a bunch of 2 meter multimode rigs for a hamfest seller.
It occurred to me there was a plentiful supply. Each ham radio or radio enthusiast has multiple radios. Then when they pass away,
their gear hits the market. But due to gradual attrition, plus the continuous of new and attractive technology modes and equipment,
the demand for gear, say 10, 15, or more years old, what happens with that ? Want to buy some 2 meter equipment, or maybe some
vacuum tube SSB radios ?  I don't mean to be gloom and doom, that's just what I see, maybe wrongly.
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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Wed Jun  8 10:43:40 2022
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:43:40 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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Hi Jeff.

I was at Dayton in 1977. Friday was very busy and crowded, but you could 
get around and possibly get a chance totalk to a vendor in a booth. On 
Saturday, that was impossible. It was almost impossible to navigate 
around in any of the buildings. People were shoulder to shoulder just 
about everywhere. You could not really get a one on one conversation 
with anyone running a booth as : A. You could not move, and B. The line 
was so long to ask questions that you spent all your time waiting to get 
a chance to ask a question!.? I was a regular attendee from 1977 up 
until about 2005. Most of the 1980's were packed with attendees. I 
recall one time in the HARA arena standing in a booth early Friday 
morning, as the crowd was let in at the opening bell. The air went from 
pleasant to highly humid in an instant as hordes of hams surged through 
the gates in a matter of about 2 minutes! (It was raining outside!)? The 
old hockey rink was jam packed instantly. Quite an experience. I have 
yet to visit Xenia.

73

Dave K1WHS

On 6/7/2022 8:35 PM, Jeff Kruth via Milsurplus wrote:
> Well, I dont want to start a fight, it really doesnt matter. But I 
> have been to Dayton since 1972. I was there on the years of over 30K 
> people. The rows were JAMMED, couldnt walk five feet with having to 
> struggle by people. The aisles at Hara were as wide or wider than the 
> infield at Xenia. The insides of the arena were PACKED back then, not now.
> This is not even close to what I saw this year. Folks, you are being 
> lied to. It may be "whistling past the graveyard" because if word gets 
> around Dayton is dying out, it will die faster. But 31K? NO WAY. Maybe 
> there were ticket sales for (a fraction of) that, and people didnt 
> show because of Covid or Gas or whatever. But they were not at the 
> show. Even my kids, who have only been a couple of times said "Hey 
> Dad, there is no one here!" on Friday and Saturday morning. A friend 
> who runs a big surplus establishment in Texas came up by himself, sans 
> family. He told me Saturday morning he did not think he would make his 
> gas expenses. Dont think he will be back at the current rate of 
> Gasflation.
> I wish for the best, but am a realist. Hamfests are going out, Dayton 
> included. Manassas VA, last weekend, I am told, was a bust this year: 
> filled an entire show grounds field years back, so many cars got tired 
> of walking to the end to see the new arrivals, this year 45-50 
> tailgaters, and hardly any buyers. Report from a reputable observer 
> who I trust.
> That was my observation with Xenia this year: No real number of 
> buyers, just other vendors buying stuff from each other. Say what you 
> want, but I go to see my friends, many of whom are regular vendors 
> (remember Billys tent full of High end TE on Metro racks, he doesnt go 
> anymore). They just dont come out. Sad.
> I also judge by what I bring home: usually fill the truck up. This 
> year, it all fit in a copy paper box. And no, its not because I am 
> picky or already have stuff: I look for the eclectic. Tommy, from 
> Maryland, who has the standup "Vacuum Tube Betty" sign (cute!) was not 
> there. He usually brought a load of stuff gleaned from the surplus 
> sales at various Wash DC institutions, cool stuff. Not this year.? A 
> lot of what I saw should have been in a dumpster, but hey, if you dont 
> build anything in a country, there is no surplus stuff to go to the HF 
> with.? I did better at HoCo fairgrounds near Baltimore, a week later, 
> where I "gave away" a trailer load of old test equipment (yah, that 
> was me, made a lot of guys happy with old Tek & Heath stuff, Simpson 
> 260s by the double handfull). It was given to me by my old job, and I 
> wanted to get it out there, I didnt need it. That was FUN.
> Sure, you are seeing stuff from estate sales. Maybe things you always 
> wanted. Good on that, its always fun to find something cool. Give it a 
> new home for a few years.
> I really miss the old days, but nothing lasts forever, especially not 
> us. At >$5 a gallon, those 150 mile one way hamfests will not see me, 
> I cant even make expenses and dont find much. I know a lot of folks 
> hate eBay, but its really become one of the only outlets for past 
> treasures.
> Jeff Kruth
>
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From kb8tq at n1k.org  Wed Jun  8 11:31:46 2022
From: kb8tq at n1k.org (Bob kb8tq)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 07:31:46 -0800
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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Hi

Yes, at the end of WWII surplus flooded the market. New tech radios also
became available. What was ?cool? pre-war now looked clunky ( not all of it, 
but a lot of it). Folks traded up and traded in. Both the military surplus and
the older gear sold cheap. Welcome to the consumer economy. Yes, we?re
talking about the US. The process was a bit slower elsewhere. 

Did this get in full swing by 1945 or by 1948? That?s very debatable and
somewhat dependent on just what part of the country you lived in. 

In most cases the prices went to pennies on the dollar while inflation 
changed the value of those pennies. In a few cases inflation would have
to come into the math. That became more true as we moved into the 
1950?s and 60?s. 

Bob

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 10:29 PM, Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> And I wasn?t even referring to WWII gear. I recently helped test and pack up a bunch of 2 meter multimode rigs for a hamfest seller.
> It occurred to me there was a plentiful supply. Each ham radio or radio enthusiast has multiple radios. Then when they pass away,
> their gear hits the market. But due to gradual attrition, plus the continuous of new and attractive technology modes and equipment,
> the demand for gear, say 10, 15, or more years old, what happens with that ? Want to buy some 2 meter equipment, or maybe some
> vacuum tube SSB radios ?  I don?t mean to be gloom and doom, that?s just what I see, maybe wrongly.
> -Hue Miller
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 12:11:19 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
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Weird. In truth, there are two simultaneous hamfests at Dayton/Xenia.
I went to Dayton for many years and other than to go to the head, I don?t
think I ever went inside Hara more than twice, very briefly out of
curiosity. And I?ve only been inside one building at Xenia (a quick
walkthrough out of curiosity) and that was the first year there. I have
friends who have never been inside at either location.

For me all the interesting equipment and people have always been in the
flea market. That?s where my hamfest is held. I wonder, particularly at
Xenia, how many people come to that one and how many stay indoors at the
other one.
YMMV
Nick K4NYW

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:43 AM David Olean <k1whs at metrocast.net> wrote:

> Hi Jeff.
>
> I was at Dayton in 1977. Friday was very busy and crowded, but you could
> get around and possibly get a chance totalk to a vendor in a booth. On
> Saturday, that was impossible. It was almost impossible to navigate around
> in any of the buildings. People were shoulder to shoulder just about
> everywhere. You could not really get a one on one conversation with anyone
> running a booth as : A. You could not move, and B. The line was so long to
> ask questions that you spent all your time waiting to get a chance to ask a
> question!.  I was a regular attendee from 1977 up until about 2005. Most of
> the 1980's were packed with attendees. I recall one time in the HARA arena
> standing in a booth early Friday morning, as the crowd was let in at the
> opening bell. The air went from pleasant to highly humid in an instant as
> hordes of hams surged through the gates in a matter of about 2 minutes! (It
> was raining outside!)  The old hockey rink was jam packed instantly. Quite
> an experience. I have yet to visit Xenia.
>
> 73
>
> Dave K1WHS
> On 6/7/2022 8:35 PM, Jeff Kruth via Milsurplus wrote:
>
> Well, I dont want to start a fight, it really doesnt matter. But I have
> been to Dayton since 1972. I was there on the years of over 30K people. The
> rows were JAMMED, couldnt walk five feet with having to struggle by people.
> The aisles at Hara were as wide or wider than the infield at Xenia. The
> insides of the arena were PACKED back then, not now.
> This is not even close to what I saw this year. Folks, you are being lied
> to. It may be "whistling past the graveyard" because if word gets around
> Dayton is dying out, it will die faster. But 31K? NO WAY. Maybe there were
> ticket sales for (a fraction of) that, and people didnt show because of
> Covid or Gas or whatever. But they were not at the show. Even my kids, who
> have only been a couple of times said "Hey Dad, there is no one here!" on
> Friday and Saturday morning. A friend who runs a big surplus establishment
> in Texas came up by himself, sans family. He told me Saturday morning he
> did not think he would make his gas expenses. Dont think he will be back at
> the current rate of Gasflation.
> I wish for the best, but am a realist. Hamfests are going out, Dayton
> included. Manassas VA, last weekend, I am told, was a bust this year:
> filled an entire show grounds field years back, so many cars got tired of
> walking to the end to see the new arrivals, this year 45-50 tailgaters, and
> hardly any buyers. Report from a reputable observer who I trust.
> That was my observation with Xenia this year: No real number of buyers,
> just other vendors buying stuff from each other. Say what you want, but I
> go to see my friends, many of whom are regular vendors (remember Billys
> tent full of High end TE on Metro racks, he doesnt go anymore). They just
> dont come out. Sad.
> I also judge by what I bring home: usually fill the truck up. This year,
> it all fit in a copy paper box. And no, its not because I am picky or
> already have stuff: I look for the eclectic. Tommy, from Maryland, who has
> the standup "Vacuum Tube Betty" sign (cute!) was not there. He usually
> brought a load of stuff gleaned from the surplus sales at various Wash DC
> institutions, cool stuff. Not this year.  A lot of what I saw should have
> been in a dumpster, but hey, if you dont build anything in a country, there
> is no surplus stuff to go to the HF with.  I did better at HoCo fairgrounds
> near Baltimore, a week later, where I "gave away" a trailer load of old
> test equipment (yah, that was me, made a lot of guys happy with old Tek &
> Heath stuff, Simpson 260s by the double handfull). It was given to me by my
> old job, and I wanted to get it out there, I didnt need it. That was FUN.
> Sure, you are seeing stuff from estate sales. Maybe things you always
> wanted. Good on that, its always fun to find something cool. Give it a new
> home for a few years.
> I really miss the old days, but nothing lasts forever, especially not us.
> At >$5 a gallon, those 150 mile one way hamfests will not see me, I cant
> even make expenses and dont find much. I know a lot of folks hate eBay, but
> its really become one of the only outlets for past treasures.
> Jeff Kruth
>
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From mjcal77 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  8 12:45:23 2022
From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:45:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Selling stuff & fests
References: <264600726.597743.1654706723758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <264600726.597743.1654706723758@mail.yahoo.com>

The hamfest comments could be an entire website, bottom line, in reference to the vintage gear and parts, only a minuscule number of hams build anything.  In the model train world, there used to be kits galore, from rail cars and loco's to buildings and structures.  Now, everything is prebuilt, even buildings can be bought fully landscaped and weathered, by all those slaves in China, plus you can contract to have a train empire built by professionals.  It is rare to find a commercial offering in kit form except in specialized shops such as Micro-Mark.  BUT...a comment was made about selling on Ebay and the like.  The new IRS tax laws will drive us all back to the garage sale, and flea market, and maybe even to hamfests again.  If you sold your whiz bang knobless black box radio on Ebay for more than $599, it now will reported to the IRS as taxable income. If you sell enough stuff on Ebay over a year that adds up to more than $599, it will be reported. Better keep every receipt you ever had if you sell stuff on the commercial sites, and keep H&R Block busy next year.  I do not think this applies to sites such as QTH that requests a donation when you sell something, so keep them in mind instead of Epay. 

Charlie, W4MEC in NC

From gfsmith at cox.net  Wed Jun  8 14:08:32 2022
From: gfsmith at cox.net (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 11:08:32 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] Selling stuff & fests
In-Reply-To: <264600726.597743.1654706723758@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <264600726.597743.1654706723758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<264600726.597743.1654706723758@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.315.1654711713.3596.milsurplus@mailman.qth.net>

I can independently verify this. My wife had a bunch of internal game 
credits and you can actually exchange these credits for real money. 
The amount was over the $600 limit and I was contacted by the company 
transferring the credit to get information so that they could send me 
a 1099 form.

73, Gordon KJ6IKT

At 09:45 AM 6/8/2022, CL in NC via Milsurplus wrote:
>The hamfest comments could be an entire website, bottom line, in 
>reference to the vintage gear and parts, only a minuscule number of 
>hams build anything.  In the model train world, there used to be 
>kits galore, from rail cars and loco's to buildings and 
>structures.  Now, everything is prebuilt, even buildings can be 
>bought fully landscaped and weathered, by all those slaves in China, 
>plus you can contract to have a train empire built by 
>professionals.  It is rare to find a commercial offering in kit form 
>except in specialized shops such as Micro-Mark.  BUT...a comment was 
>made about selling on Ebay and the like.  The new IRS tax laws will 
>drive us all back to the garage sale, and flea market, and maybe 
>even to hamfests again.  If you sold your whiz bang knobless black 
>box radio on Ebay for more than $599, it now will reported to the 
>IRS as taxable income. If you sell enough stuff on Ebay over a year 
>that adds up to more than $599, it will be reported. Better keep 
>every receipt you ever had if you sell stuff on the commercial 
>sites, and keep H&R Block busy next year.  I do not think this 
>applies to sites such as QTH that requests a donation when you sell 
>something, so keep them in mind instead of Epay.
>
>Charlie, W4MEC in NC


From joldenburg2 at new.rr.com  Wed Jun  8 14:21:16 2022
From: joldenburg2 at new.rr.com (joldenburg2 at new.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 18:21:16 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Selling stuff & fests
Message-ID: <2168d7813813a1ae3ff582dd9358f2cb4ca4cd87@webmail>

I do some contract work and income was reported via 1099 until 2021.
It changed to a honor system relying on my records, no 1099 was issued
to me. I presume the IRS still gets info as paypal still wants an
taxid number
Jon AB9AH

	-----------------------------------------From: "Gordon Smith" 
To: "CL in NC", "Milsurplus"
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday June 8 2022 1:08:39PM
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Selling stuff & fests

 I can independently verify this. My wife had a bunch of internal game
 credits and you can actually exchange these credits for real money.
 The amount was over the $600 limit and I was contacted by the company
 transferring the credit to get information so that they could send me
 a 1099 form.

 73, Gordon KJ6IKT


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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Wed Jun  8 14:29:16 2022
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
Message-ID: <DM8P220MB04724D0A9755D9DC12E78D8CB8A49@DM8P220MB0472.NAMP220.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Already offended people on one of the other lists, figure it's time to come over here and get people worked up.
I only know what I have seen, and cannot intelligently comment on things where I have no experience, like what's going on in the buildings and lectures.
I was at Dayton in 2017,18 and 19 and to me it appeared that 17 was the largest of the last four and think that the last show was not as big as the first in 17 but was larger than 18 or 19.
This is my opinion based on observations from the flea market.
Maybe Ham Fest are dying out, maybe Ham radio, I don't know myself but have also seen in the last ten or so years a real growth in events at places like Gilbert (Red Ball MVPA) and now interest in Dayton in building on that for people to bring out their equipment, show it off and operate it.
Don't know where that ever occurred back in the "Old Days" except maybe for Field Day. Additional personal comment about Field Day. I will not be taking part in Field Day with the local club or individually.
Over the past ten years have noticed that I am moving more away from the traditional Ham Radio community and more towards the Military Vehicle and reenactors world, just too much pressure for having to have the newest radio and mode from the Ham community for me.

Ray F/KA3EKH



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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Jun  8 14:49:43 2022
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:49:43 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB5434F5364671B5BB93BD0CA3E4A49@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

This is a very small sampling population in this small city, but the local hams are interested in 'operating' and trying out the newer modes....hacking older electronics, or even knowing what electronics was, more than one generation back...what's that ?
Hue Miller



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From ranickels at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 15:22:32 2022
From: ranickels at gmail.com (Robert Nickels)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Selling stuff & fests
In-Reply-To: <264600726.597743.1654706723758@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <264600726.597743.1654706723758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<264600726.597743.1654706723758@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <571d1716-ff78-ad58-1acf-79930c0bae32@gmail.com>

On 6/8/2022 11:45 AM, CL in NC via Milsurplus wrote:
> The new IRS tax laws will drive us all back to the garage sale, and flea market, and maybe even to hamfests again.

I'm not sure how much is new and how much is just reporting. But either 
way, I agree with your conclusion - the increasingly high cost of 
shipping is also a factor.?? At Xenia I was trying to negotiate $50 of 
the price of a radio and the seller just looked at me as asked "Do you 
think you could ship one of these for fifty bucks?".???? I paid the 
asking price.

As has always been the case, the scarcity of an item and it's condition 
are going to have a major impact on price.? That's why there's a bid 
over $125K for an Apple I on eBay right now and why a rusty beat-up 
radio that was sold in large quantities will always be hard to get much 
for.?? As the financial guys always say "past results are no indication 
of future performance",? so even if a radio was "worth" a certain price 
in years past there's no assurance anyone will pay that much today.?? Of 
course if you have one that someone put back in the box and stashed in 
the back of a closet...

73, Bob W9RAN


From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Wed Jun  8 15:31:32 2022
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 19:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
In-Reply-To: <CO6PR19MB5434F5364671B5BB93BD0CA3E4A49@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CO6PR19MB5434F5364671B5BB93BD0CA3E4A49@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM8P220MB0472734C208A8DA125124D02B8A49@DM8P220MB0472.NAMP220.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I don?t know what Ham radio is anymore, although I am responsible for getting several people to get their licenses and get active it often appears that many of the current generation have a greater desire to work the keyboard instead of a soldering iron, and why not? That?s where the action is today in digital modes, couple years back it was VOIP crosslinks and stuff like that. One of the most useful tools today is the software defined radio or SDR receivers that are out there and they change forever the way you operate radio once you start using one. Now you can see things like not only your signal and what it looks like but the entire band and what?s going on.
I am not making a value statement here. Not saying what the current generation is doing is right or wrong but just that as the main group of Hams in our communities move forward I find myself ever increasingly in a technological backwater.
Perhaps that?s why I have let my membership to the ARRL drop a couple years back because although I have seen them make inroads into supporting Vintage radio and operators still don?t feel obliged to jump on the bus with the rest of the Hams and there Bofangs , tee shirts and hats with there call all over them and the like.
Friend of mine wanted to buy me a hat with my call on it for Dayton and I down right refused, told him I would rather wearer a tee shirt with ?Big Ben? ?The big voice on channel 19? then the Ham radio stuff.
But that?s just me. Best thing about being active today. With the internet we can assemble groups of like minded and not have to be beholden to the larger mass, like traditional Ham radio and the constant drum beat of QST, buy, buy, buy.

But that?s just me, your results, onionin?s and experiences may be different.
Ray F/KA3EKH



From: Hubert Miller <kargo_cult at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:50 PM
To: Ray Fantini <RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu>; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance


This is a very small sampling population in this small city, but the local hams are interested in 'operating' and trying out the newer modes....hacking older electronics, or even knowing what electronics was, more than one generation back...what's that ?
Hue Miller

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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Jun  8 16:03:51 2022
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 20:03:51 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Hamvention Attendance
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB5434BF2ECEF87872DEE5F6DEE4A49@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Where do you get a 'Big Ben - Channel 19 King' shirt ? I am not really into collecting T shirts -  most are simply inked undershirts - but i do have an "American Life" shirt from NPR (National Democrat Radio, antipodal opposite to Fox network ) and a few varieties of nice Kokopelli design shirts. I once saw offered a shirt that read something like "So&so High School Radio Club", what a classic.
I have been on the lookout for one of Dr. Harold Camping's "End of The World Soon" shirts but i assume they were all thrown out with great embarrassment after the world failed to explode on schedule. Those had a really great design, i thought. ( I have on my computer an audio file of prankster calling Dr. Camping's Bible answers radio talk show to ask what to do with a 'Dodge Demon' car. )
It occurred to me that a nice shirt design would be an illustration from the Command Sets manual, a pictorial showing a typical layout with cabling interconnecting the units.
The 'Maritime Radio History' group once promised a nice shirt with anchor and sparks design but it was never actually sold or mebbe it was only short sleeve or maybe was just an inked white undershirt. I scanned this logo design thinking "someday" i would pay some place to have a couple nice shirts custom made for me.

Hmmm.... CB shirts...something i never even thought about before....just the thing to wear to a CB Jamboree...

While i'm maximally digressing, an anecdote. In Seattle, where i was living, this must have been 1980, i decided to try to bring to life a Japanese Type 66 walkie talkie.  I figured out what the connections all were, and then connected 1.5, 135, and headphones, no mic. When it came back to life with the superregen rush, very first thing i heard: some argument over whose CB channel it was.
Hue Miller



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From mark.k3msb at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 17:36:09 2022
From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 17:36:09 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] WE KS 8879 Specs Needed
Message-ID: <CABdVoaC2XxCFX+HERh1i7uDaDtfbsxZYO96K-QXwwcTDFeDGvA@mail.gmail.com>

Might anyone have a  Western Electric catalog with the specs for a KS 8879
power transformer?   I can find nothing on the web.

I know the HV secondary is 800-640-0-640-800, and I'd like to know the
current spec.

Thanks

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From hwhall at compuserve.com  Sat Jun 11 15:31:02 2022
From: hwhall at compuserve.com (hwhall at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 19:31:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] WE KS 8879 Specs Needed
In-Reply-To: <018301d87dc7$3bc7bfa0$b3573ee0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CABdVoaC2XxCFX+HERh1i7uDaDtfbsxZYO96K-QXwwcTDFeDGvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1848823693.1381769.1654967261126@mail.yahoo.com>
	<018301d87dc7$3bc7bfa0$b3573ee0$@sbcglobal.net>
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>I know the HV secondary is 800-640-0-640-800, and I'd like to know the current spec.
ARRL Handbook says a ballpark estimate of secondary current ratings is to load a secondary to where it's 10% down from the no-load voltage.


-----Original Message-----
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 5:37 PM, Mark K3MSB<mark.k3msb at gmail.com> wrote:Might anyone have a? Western Electric catalog with the specs for a KS 8879 power transformer??? I can find nothing on the web. ?I know the HV secondary is 800-640-0-640-800, and I'd like to know the current spec. ?Thanks ?Mark K3MSB______________________________________________________________
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From pfthekan at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 20:49:28 2022
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 17:49:28 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB: PE-206 Inverter
Message-ID: <CAK4LMKOeLp0Fyi5Xniu=C9UF6VE1JFkoq9opw6f3wG4gkpjqaw@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for this rated 80 vac 800 cycle inverter.
Any help would be appreciated..
Thank you
Paul
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From scr287 at att.net  Sun Jun 12 12:11:11 2022
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] Airplane question, but radio related
References: <9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9@att.net>

Question about aircraft registrations, but it is radio related.

What nation uses PT to begin a registration number? If it follows
radio call sign allocations it would be Brazil, just wondering if
aircraft registrations follow the same pattern.

Reason I ask, is I have an aircraft radio which is? marked
with what looks like a registration beginning with PT.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA

From skynite000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 12 13:25:20 2022
From: skynite000 at yahoo.com (Skywarrior)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 17:25:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Airplane question, but radio related
In-Reply-To: <9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9@att.net>
References: <9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9.ref@att.net>
	<9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9@att.net>
Message-ID: <574498494.1524019.1655054720550@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Jack,Per my notes it is the designation for Brazil.BruceK7NXX

    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 09:11:39 AM MST, Jack Antonio <scr287 at att.net> wrote:  
 
 Question about aircraft registrations, but it is radio related.

What nation uses PT to begin a registration number? If it follows
radio call sign allocations it would be Brazil, just wondering if
aircraft registrations follow the same pattern.

Reason I ask, is I have an aircraft radio which is? marked
with what looks like a registration beginning with PT.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA
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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Sun Jun 12 22:53:45 2022
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:53:45 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Tips for Reviving a RadioMarine Corp AR-8506B Receiver
Message-ID: <555e1cf8-ae58-225c-b7d7-2781fc0034f9@ix.netcom.com>


The RadioMarine Corporation AR-8506B receiver was
used in the RMCA "4U" radio console in Liberty Ships.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cvW7xMy1W4Mdzm5K6
This one was built in September of 1944.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6MfDxCxtVbXHYo88

Excellent background on these receivers and the
  4U station in which they were used can be found
at Henry Rogers - Radio Boulevard,
Western Historic Radio Museum web page:
https://www.radioblvd.com/WWII_Communications_Equipment_Part2.htm

Geoff WB6NVH has compiled invaluable repair notes at:
http://www.wb6nvh.com/AR8506.htm

Bama has the manual, which I urge you to get:
http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/radiomar/ar8506b
Not a great manual but way better than nothing.

My thanks to Geoff, Henry, Bama, Mike Hanz and our
list members for making this project possible.

Here are some tips for resurrecting an AR-8506B:

First- Slow down.  Look close.  Check twice.
Keep notes.  Take photos.
Read the available documentation and manual.
"Your patience will be rewarded."

Rolling the rig on its back:
Look at this photo:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/iri8n3bpq7SamXGJA
The tall can on the left with the knob is
the BFO tank. The knob adjusts the capacitor.
If one carelessly rolls the rig upside down,
this capacitor shaft will be bent.  I did get
it "straight enough" to work OK.  Was afraid
of the shaft shearing or the ceramic cracking
if I got too "froggy" with it.
The shorter can to the right is the 1700KC IF
wavetrap.  We'll get to that later.

This is an AC/DC radio.  "Signal (Chassis) Ground"
is not the same as Power Negative.
The B- buss sits at -6V to provide bias.

That odd looking bulb behind the front panel
"Power On" jewel:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dF9QQvXvXfURjkCb7
This is a GE NE-32, which regulates the voltage
supplied to the LO.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uMUsvL8m69fKWnTq6
It is fragile, scarce and expensive.
When they are on Ebay, they're usually $30 each.
Of course, I had to learn the hard way (as always),
dropped a screwdriver and *POP!*
Carefully remove it and protect it
like you would a bottle of nitroglycerin.
A BC-348 991 neon will not work.

If you must replace it with a new one, you'll note
in Geoff's article that the bulb usually won't fit
in the socket- that the two solder "bumps" on
the bottom are too tall to slide over the contacts
in the socket to engage the bulb.  Don't force it.
Geoff speaks of pulling the socket and two screwdriver
adjustments which will lower the contacts and allow
the bulb to engage.  I didn't do this.  I used my
soldering gun to "flatten out" the contact bumps on
the bottom of the bulb, which then engaged with no trouble.

Disassembly - Hardware.
The rig has unusual hardware just about everywhere.
If you lose screws, you'll pay the devil to find more.
Geoff's service notes about the oddball screws, from
the cut-down ones that secure the panel to the two
tiny counter-sunk screws with tiny nuts that secure
the frequency scale and the weird-ohs that secure the
dial cover.
Put a towel or rug or something on the bench
to "catch" screws. Take lots of pictures/notes.
Use one of those plastic sorting trays to
keep them separated.

If you remove the front panel- there are three washers
used as spacers.  Very important these go back where
they came from.  Photo with the washers marked in red:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LXrVtfzFM7ad7wX17

Changing Caps.
Plug-in Power Supply electrolytics:
These plug-in caps, located behind the speaker,
have an octal plug on the bottom.
Each of them contains two 40 uFd at 150V caps.

These are isolated in the cans- the negative leads
are not tied together.  I opened the cans to "restuff"
them and found that the connections to the octal pins
are soft aluminum that's "crimped" to the cap leads.
Cap one is Negative pin 1, Positive pin 3.
Cap two is Negative pin 5, Positive pin 7.
Cannot get solder on that aluminum, so I glued the cans
  back empty and mounted the four caps under the chassis.
Check the wiring diagram closely- only one of the cap
negatives goes to chassis ground.

The "real bear" are the paper and oil-filled caps.
All the paper caps and oil-filled caps
in this one were bad.
Under the chassis, there are two shields over the
ANT/RF/LO trimmers.  Remove these carefully.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SSttwoBQeLx6FNzw9
Removing these covers will also make changing the
paper caps outside of them much easier.  It's
crowded under here.

Note that there are many .01 and .001 paper caps
under all those wires and a couple under the band switch.
Don't panic.  It looks hard, and a couple of them are,
but you can do this.  I did, and I ain't no magic man.
You need some good haemostats and narrow, small wire nippers.
Most of these "buried" caps bypass points to chassis ground.
You'll see a cluster of them with one side connected to
a ground point.  The other ends usually connect to a tube
socket pin.  You can nip the ground end of the caps and run
a buss wire to connect one side of the replacement caps.
Nice thing is that 150V caps are small.  The .01 discs
are about the size of the end of your finger.
All the low-voltage RF caps on the band switch and the
two big yellow rectangular caps under the covers were good.
Didn't need to change any of them.

The oil-filled .1uFd caps were all bad, as was the
one on the grid of the audio output. Leaky .1 bypasses
put voltage on the chassis.  I used 4-terminal
strips (one terminal grounded) to make replacements
for these, since trying to remove the bottom cover
for "restuffing" resulted in hot oil shooting out
from the cover and just missing my face (eye protection).
Since we're only talking 150 Volts B+, you can use
some pretty small .1 caps.  Some of mine were the size
of a pencil eraser.  Not enough room for those
hulking orange drops here.

When you get done with all the caps (and resistors of course),
  be careful replacing those two shields.
It's easy to pinch a wire under the cover.
Check the edges before screwing them down.

Look at this photo:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/B7nTiSygeWSjMF7E7
Mounted on the chassis wall at the back, there is
a large, silver bar with two connections- upper right
in the photo.  The tubes are series filaments and
this is a 10 Watt, 50 Ohm dropping resistor. It's supposed
to drop 15 Volts when the tubes are warmed-up.  Mine was
fine but this is often open or intermittent. If your filament
voltages are too high, you can adjust the value of this
resistor.  The tube fils add-up to 100V (at 300 mils)
and the resistor drops 15.  If your line voltage is 120,
add 15 ohms at 5 watts.  If 125, add 33 Ohms at 5 W.

Tuning Gear Train Fun and Frolic:
The main tuning gear box has two small, pot-metal
gears that are press-fit on shafts.  If you tried to
rotate the main tuning and it only goes a fraction of
normal travel, you're about to have some fun.

Inside cover removed so you can get to the gear box:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/AvZtpoPJyBciTbi68
The gear located here was fractured.  There is a
similar gear on the lower shaft which was intact.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TqcDsGL56GoYNweX6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SnUWSpGi4LCE4ogs7
The gear after removal:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7fTUg2gQRtBiGTGA

Looked around for a replacement gear, but no joy.
After some "brain-sprinkling" (since Covid and
Cancer, I ain't got enough brain left for "storming),
I loosened the set screw to the variable so the
gear could free-wheel.  I used some thin, 1/4
inch wide electrical tape and carefully wound a
few layers around the shaft where the gear went.
Wound enough that the upper split gear teeth made
dimples in the tape deep enough to stay engaged,
but not so much they bound.  Took some fiddling
but finally got it to work well.  Used a sharp
Xacto knife to trim the excess from each side
of the gear space to prevent rubbing.  Yes,
this does defeat the upper backlash gear
but this hasn't been any problem. It's
working fine.

IF can trimmers with "busted nuts:"
As with many of our treasures which use
ceramic air trimmers, the pressed-on nuts
which hold the rotor shaft in place can
fracture and the plates fall down and short.
In one of the IF cans, both trimmers had this
problem.  Bottom one in this photo:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/As6XPqbq9WLSK9yz7
I know many people glue the nuts back in place,
but I don't do that.  I cut stiff clear plastic
shims (the stuff all the WallyWorld junk is
sold in), set the caps at 50% mesh, install the shims
and reinstall. I tune carefully during alignment
since doing a "gorilla" twist might offset
the shims, but I haven't had a problem.
If you must do this, be careful removing the
cover.  It would be easy to break the fine
wires in there.

NOTE: The IF trimmer shafts are at B+ and
will bite you good if you get between them
and the grounded IF can.

Alignment:
Follow the manual procedure.

That 1700 KC wave trap:
I have a strong local on 1700 KCs, and
the receivers IF is 1700 KCs.
Many have had trouble and have even moved
the IF freq to help.  My trap was completely
misaligned.
You cannot get this trap right "by ear."
Follow the manual procedure. The null is
very narrow (intentionally so) and you
need to approach it slowly.  Once properly
adjusted, with the receiver connected to a
75 meter full wave Delta loop, it takes
some effort to find any leakage from the
local 1700 KC station.  If one takes the
time and follows the procedure, the trap
works surprisingly well.

After warm-up, the rig is quite stable.
If you don't have an isolation transformer,
you may run into the "AC-DC" problem which
anyone who has used a Hallicrafters S-120
knows: plug the thing in one way and lots
of hum, the other way and it's OK.
Either way, there should be no significant
voltage between the chassis and ground unless
you missed a leaky bypass cap.
You should be able to connect the chassis to
earth ground to reduce noise without issues.

The rig does sound better with an external speaker.

I hope this is helpful to someone.
Some videos:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uHEbfu2bgYf19inM7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dPVktQwzAHwVHQwJ6

P.S.
Got some volunteer help getting the last little "bugs."
https://photos.app.goo.gl/31EFh3iGSLsxrFtJ9

GL OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S







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From scr287 at att.net  Mon Jun 13 15:38:23 2022
From: scr287 at att.net (Jack Antonio)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Airplane question, but radio related
In-Reply-To: <1102535420.496113.1655051871288@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9.ref@att.net>
	<9ab414ea-dba1-155e-eaff-9a055e0913f9@att.net>
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Thanks to all that replied.? Brazil has aircraft registrations on-line. 
The radio in question came from
a Cessna 310 used for air taxi service.? Registration from 1971 and not 
current.

Jack Antonio
WA7DIA

On 6/12/2022 12:37 PM, Doran Platt wrote:
> Jack, you are correct. PT is Brazil. The ICAO ident series follows 
> fairly closely the international radio ident series.? It appears that 
> a few countries have more iterations owing to the way they assign 
> these tail numbers. Many use simply all letters and need more 4 letter 
> combinations.? I think Brazil and other countries with expanding 
> general aviation fleets are now using numbers. Not so much for air 
> carriers.
> Jeep K3HVG
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________


From kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun 13 15:53:57 2022
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 19:53:57 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Airplane question, but radio related
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB5434C506A32BDCCDCCD911D0E4AB9@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Jack, what is the aircraft radio ?

BTW, there was a radio builder company in Seattle WA in the late 1970s, i'm guessing, that made AM boat radios and mostly, aircraft HF SSB radios. Brelonix, it just came to me now. I have never heard tell of any of their A/C radios used anywhere in USA, never heard of one existing in USA, but there are internet mentions of it in other countries. How odd, i think. The common type Brelonix AM boat radio appears unused; maybe built too close to the 1977 shutdown of AM.
-Hue Miller



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From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jun 20 01:26:03 2022
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 00:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Crystal Surprise
Message-ID: <9eee38c7-b242-5e52-00e6-235f0373893a@ix.netcom.com>

Spring Project: A Bendix "Skipper 430" fishing boat
AM transceiver, the "big brother" of the Bendix Skipper 35
I revived last year.  The receiver is solid-state, while
the transmitter is a 12BY7 oscillator driving a pair
of 6146s.  Several of our members sent me crystals
for the project, for which I thank them.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PkHLjc13s6qv1XvY6

Most were not exactly on the freqs needed, but I've
gotten a bit "handy" with grinding, etching and "penciling"
crystal blanks to get them on frequency- even HC-6U.
Sometimes it even works :-D  When I'm done, the set will
have two 160M channels, four 75M AM channels,
a SWBC channel and WWV 5 MC.  It's currently operational
on 3870, 3880, 3885, 3890 KCs and the WWV monitor.
Still a "work in progress."
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xrkBaAR4d221ZSp97

The 3880 Receive crystal, a 4335 KC DC-34,
would not oscillate. It's a "large blank" crystal.
These BC-669 crystal which are in the brown holder
often have "metal fatigued" broken contacts inside
the case, which are easily repaired.  No such luck
this time; I opened the case and found
a cracked crystal blank.

Got to thinking about it and, on a hunch,
decided to see if I could "salvage" the blank.
I had read somewhere that, during WWII, crystal
makers had starting making four blanks out
of these larger crystals and that each one of them
would oscillate at the same, original frequency.
This seemed to beg credulity
(translation: I didn't believe it),
but curiosity won-out.

Using a hemostat, I carefully knapped-away most of
the corner containing the crack.  Probably should
have gone the other direction but too late to
back-track.  Left a small part of an adjacent
corner and worried that asymmetry might be a problem.
Once the material was removed, I used 800 grit wet
sandpaper to sand the new edge straight, then beveled
the three edges in the illustration.  Used alcohol
to clean the blank before reassembly (make sure
your blank is absolutely dry before putting it
back in the holder).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wZxE7x29rXufNWgK7

As you know, the electrodes that contact the
blank in most crystals made from WWII onwards
have elevated corners on one side, so the blank
is contacted only at the corners.  In this case,
I worried the missing material might cause a
short between electrodes at the corner where the
material was missing.  Turned both electrodes
around so the large central flat area would
contact the blank.  Reassembled and plugged
it into the receiver crystal bank.

The crystal came right up and oscillates well.
The frequency of oscillation?  4335 KC.
I don't explain it; I ain't that smart.
I just report it.

Thought you might find that kinda cool.
GL OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S

P.S.  Didn't take pictures of the crystal
as I was fiddling with it because
I didn't expect it to work, and now I'm afraid
to take it apart for photos because it might
not work again. :-D



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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun 20 03:12:34 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 07:12:34 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Big WWII Radios Auction - Germany
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB54345ED80A6F27CE044ABDA0E4B09@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

There's a rather interesting upcoming soon auction in Germany. It looks to me like a huge collection of Wehrmacht WWII radios, electronics, and associated various items
are being dumped at one time. At this moment, some items have "No bids yet", which I do not understand. I am expecting the bidding to go to 3 - 5 times the minimums.
I have no interest myself in acquiring anything here. Some of this equipment I have, some better, some worse, than what auction price is realized, so I will be watching
the close. As well as, probably, saving a bunch of the images, altho they are watermarked.
-Hue Miller

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.auctionzip.com%2Fauction-catalog%2Forders-military-collectibles-from-1919-onwards_HEFHLJPNP9%3Fkeywords%3DRadio&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccd22dd7b992c4ffd29ae08da5263161e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637912882774149160%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=2x0a9vaWuv7slDvgYSHF4d2d%2BI7ILXYSqXESH3Ww22s%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun 20 03:16:32 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 07:16:32 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Big WWII Radios Auction - Germany
In-Reply-To: <CO6PR19MB54345ED80A6F27CE044ABDA0E4B09@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CO6PR19MB54345ED80A6F27CE044ABDA0E4B09@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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OH also, if you go past the radios, if I recall, maybe by selecting a photo and then < or > , you will see a lot other radio and electronics related items
that come up outside of the search word "radio". Such as piles of microphones, connectors, test equipment, whatever. A real field day for collectors
in Europe.
-Hue Miller
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Tue Jun 21 19:02:18 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:02:18 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] big German radios auction - more comment
Message-ID: <SN4PR19MB5439736E96FB0A424CB4CDC4E4B39@SN4PR19MB5439.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I got an email with a question about the Germany auction. I thought I would answer to the larger readership. I have no experience with the seller, altho I have been aware of them for
some years as sellers of traditional and higher - end militaria collectibles, like unforms, swords, awards, that kind of thing. They do have a good name. The present auction, I have not
looked at it very much at all, and I have more pressing things right now, so I likely will not look again. The only other Euro dealer who regularly trades in this kind of thing is kpemig,
and I have bought from them, but now I am out of the market. Kpemig might have 2 - 3 radios and some cables and such in their periodic fixed price catalog sales, no auction, so it
much surprised me to see such a large lot of things offered. A lot of those pack radios will go EU1200 - EU2000 I guess. I pile of 20 or so throat mics? I could use maybe 3 to complete
sets before I sell them, but I'm not going to bid. I want to lessen my projects, not get more involved. You never see this many radios and accouterments sold at one time, so I would
guess some collector, who did nothing but accumulate things, not really getting anything complete and display - ready, has dumped the whole lot. Interesting. I may be wrong, maybe
the economies are different in these times, but I expect actual sell prices to be, to use an overused expression, awe inspiring. I may be wrong.
-Hue Miller
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 12:16:25 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:16:25 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] FTGH original AN/ARC-5 manual
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcdL8HQwB-H=9q_sVoS5HPjcdhf0ipNZ_RqrBwXGWWFaA@mail.gmail.com>

I have come across an original AN/ARC-5 manual NAVAER 08-5Q-95 - 21 Feb
1944.

Is there a pdf on the web somewhere? If not, let me know and I?ll scan this
one before mailing it to a new home.

As usual, in the event of multiple requests I?ll make an arbitrary decision
based on factors like-
A good story about why you want it
Your past helpfulness to me and others
Your contributions to list discussions
Phase of the moon or other random factors

If you send a message that only says ?I want it? you are unlikely to have
your wish fulfilled.

Remember - Books can cure ignorance, but not stupidity.

Cheers
Nick K4NYW

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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 12:31:42 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:31:42 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] FTGH original AN/ARC-5 manual
In-Reply-To: <CAB55hNcdL8HQwB-H=9q_sVoS5HPjcdhf0ipNZ_RqrBwXGWWFaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB55hNcdL8HQwB-H=9q_sVoS5HPjcdhf0ipNZ_RqrBwXGWWFaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNddgrCkh_6iYnChKS0zyU0=vMxvMWDYcwGBjEZpiFhimA@mail.gmail.com>

This original manual is going to Todd KA1KAQ who wrote a heart-rending plea
involving re-capture of his youthful enthusiasms, examples of his
outstanding service to the hobby, photos of his family who will share in
his joy of ownership, etc. etc. Brought a tear to my eye?.

if you need this manual for your ARC-5, Robert WA5CAB has excellent copies
for sale (all Robert?s copies are excellent!).
Best regards
Nick K4NYW

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 12:16 PM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have come across an original AN/ARC-5 manual NAVAER 08-5Q-95 - 21 Feb
> 1944.
>
> Is there a pdf on the web somewhere? If not, let me know and I?ll scan
> this one before mailing it to a new home.
>
> As usual, in the event of multiple requests I?ll make an arbitrary
> decision based on factors like-
> A good story about why you want it
> Your past helpfulness to me and others
> Your contributions to list discussions
> Phase of the moon or other random factors
>
> If you send a message that only says ?I want it? you are unlikely to have
> your wish fulfilled.
>
> Remember - Books can cure ignorance, but not stupidity.
>
> Cheers
> Nick K4NYW
>

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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Jun 23 17:38:29 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 21:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Question on 'Eureka beacons'
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB5434768313C586577FE4805EE4B59@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

>From Wiki on "Eureka beacons" :

"In December 1942 Brown was flown to the US via Pan Am Clipper to meet with the US I Troop Carrier Command.[9] They started production of a number of versions of the Mk. III as the AN/PPN-1 (Eureka), AN/PPN-2 (Portable Eureka) and AN/TPN-1 (Transportable Eureka). The AN/APN-2 (Rebecca), also known as the SCR-729, used a display that saw use for a number of purposes."

I had never known of the AN/TPN-1 set, altho in the distant past, I owned a complete AN/PPN-1. ( Now worth real money. ) 

Similarly to the above, does this mean there was a "transportable PPN-2, named the TPN-2" and that my TS-233 / TPN-2 was for maintenance of an AN/TPN-2 Eureka beacon ? ( Pathfinder beacons for airborne troop planes. ) 
Tnx
Hue Miller 

From wa5cab at cs.com  Fri Jun 24 03:11:20 2022
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 02:11:20 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] [Army-Radios] Question on 'Eureka beacons'
In-Reply-To: <CO6PR19MB5434768313C586577FE4805EE4B59@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CO6PR19MB5434768313C586577FE4805EE4B59@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00b401d88799$9bdd3060$d3979120$@com>

According to my database, AN/TPN-2 is covered by TM 11-1157 dated
12/01/1944.  I will try to find the TM 11-1157 and see what it covers.

Robert Downs

-----Original Message-----
From: main at Army-Radios.groups.io [mailto:main at Army-Radios.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Hue Miller
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 16:38
To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; ARC-5 List; main at Army-Radios.groups.io
Subject: [Army-Radios] Question on 'Eureka beacons'

>From Wiki on "Eureka beacons" :

"In December 1942 Brown was flown to the US via Pan Am Clipper to meet with
the US I Troop Carrier Command.[9] They started production of a number of
versions of the Mk. III as the AN/PPN-1 (Eureka), AN/PPN-2 (Portable Eureka)
and AN/TPN-1 (Transportable Eureka). The AN/APN-2 (Rebecca), also known as
the SCR-729, used a display that saw use for a number of purposes."

I had never known of the AN/TPN-1 set, altho in the distant past, I owned a
complete AN/PPN-1. ( Now worth real money. ) 

Similarly to the above, does this mean there was a "transportable PPN-2,
named the TPN-2" and that my TS-233 / TPN-2 was for maintenance of an
AN/TPN-2 Eureka beacon ? ( Pathfinder beacons for airborne troop planes. ) 
Tnx
Hue Miller 


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From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 14:20:06 2022
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 11:20:06 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO9A0ZBAUXwBOQj9CGK-s=hKeiuL4X+KcXKPgAJAckqN1g@mail.gmail.com>

Any idea where I can locate a copy of the
manual for the TBY-2 (CRI-43007) ?

Tnx es 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun 27 03:09:20 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 07:09:20 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] A/C radio antenna question
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB54344E83D51F12F6476DEFC7E4B99@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

The "headrest loop antenna" built into single place planes, was the top of the pilot's seat made from wood, with the loop therein, or an interrupted metal frame
around the loop, or what ?
tnx
-Hue Miller 


From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun 27 03:21:13 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 07:21:13 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Harry Truman with RBO radio
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB5434A2C03CECE63B394AFDDDE4B99@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Harry Truman with RBO radio at side. Rather poor scan, as it's from scanned from a newspaper photo. I believe this appeared from
book "Unconditional" by Marc Gallicchio, 2020.
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From jpwatkins9 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 08:14:20 2022
From: jpwatkins9 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 07:14:20 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Harry Truman with RBO radio
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Looks like he is on a ship, porthole on his left side.  Wonder what ship as
it would have been close to the time the bomb was dropped?

John WD5ENU

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:21 Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

> Harry Truman with RBO radio at side. Rather poor scan, as it?s from
> scanned from a newspaper photo. I believe this appeared from
>
> book ?Unconditional? by Marc Gallicchio, 2020.
>
> -Hue Miller
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From RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu  Mon Jun 27 09:57:47 2022
From: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu (Ray Fantini)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:57:47 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Big WWII Radios Auction - Germany
Message-ID: <DM8P220MB0472A2C69BF786A81C36312DB8B99@DM8P220MB0472.NAMP220.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The sold prices are up on the Auction that was last Friday in Germany. Did not think the prices were that bad but the real issue is shipping, that and the thirty percent additional they wanted for packaging and like as part of the terms of sale.
They did have a good looking FuG 10 aircraft receiver that sold for $150.00 and what I really wanted a Kw.E.a receiver that I would have easily paid the  $180.00 for but figure that by the time I paid the shipping and premium for it would have been well over the $500 that I can afford to spend on such stuff.
May have been close but those receivers are heavy!

They had a couple E52 receivers listed and one sold for $1,210.00 and the other did not sell, maybe did not reach the reserve? Surprised to see that some of the highest prices paid were for field radios with a early Torn E.B. with accessory box selling for $1,800.00 and Torn Fu.b.1 for $1,700.00

Link to the sale results:

  https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.auctionzip.com%2Fauction-catalog%2Forders-military-collectibles-from-1919-onwards_HEFHLJPNP9%3Fkeywords%3DRadio&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccd22dd7b992c4ffd29ae08da5263161e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637912882774149160%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=2x0a9vaWuv7slDvgYSHF4d2d%2BI7ILXYSqXESH3Ww22s%3D&amp;reserved=0


Ray F/KA3EKH
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From old_radio at aol.com  Mon Jun 27 10:02:26 2022
From: old_radio at aol.com (Jim Whartenby)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Harry Truman with RBO radio
In-Reply-To: <CAEuLR7=Gcfs5oKoLU3-hfnZPX-jHqg+14pmc0Ve+UTdLz2sqyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CO6PR19MB5434A2C03CECE63B394AFDDDE4B99@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEuLR7=Gcfs5oKoLU3-hfnZPX-jHqg+14pmc0Ve+UTdLz2sqyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <506907111.164320.1656338546673@mail.yahoo.com>

https://www.history.com/news/the-inside-story-of-harry-truman-and-hiroshima
Photo of Truman aboard the USS Augusta, returning from the Potsdam conference.Jim

Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: John Watkins <jpwatkins9 at gmail.com>
To: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2022 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Harry Truman with RBO radio

Looks like he is on a ship, porthole on his left side.? Wonder what ship as it would have been close to the time the bomb was dropped?
John WD5ENU?
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:21 Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:

Harry Truman with RBO radio at side. Rather poor scan, as it?s from scanned from a newspaper photo. I believe this appeared frombook ?Unconditional? by Marc Gallicchio, 2020.-Hue Miller______________________________________________________________
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From jpwatkins9 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 17:57:40 2022
From: jpwatkins9 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 16:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Harry Truman with RBO radio
In-Reply-To: <506907111.164320.1656338546673@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<CAEuLR7=Gcfs5oKoLU3-hfnZPX-jHqg+14pmc0Ve+UTdLz2sqyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<506907111.164320.1656338546673@mail.yahoo.com>
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Jim,

Thanks, I know he was on the Augusta alot, but nothing in the picture or
text gave any mention of which ship.

John WD5ENU

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 09:02 Jim Whartenby via Milsurplus <
milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> https://www.history.com/news/the-inside-story-of-harry-truman-and-hiroshima
>
> Photo of Truman aboard the USS Augusta, returning from the Potsdam
> conference.
> Jim
>
> Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.
> Murphy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Watkins <jpwatkins9 at gmail.com>
> To: Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com>
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2022 7:14 am
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Harry Truman with RBO radio
>
> Looks like he is on a ship, porthole on his left side.  Wonder what ship
> as it would have been close to the time the bomb was dropped?
>
> John WD5ENU
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 02:21 Hubert Miller <Kargo_cult at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Harry Truman with RBO radio at side. Rather poor scan, as it?s from
> scanned from a newspaper photo. I believe this appeared from
> book ?Unconditional? by Marc Gallicchio, 2020.
> -Hue Miller
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Mon Jun 27 22:38:03 2022
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 02:38:03 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] Is this a Fair Radio built PS ?
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB5434B6B06CFC5ACF94014C6FE4B89@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

This was with a Bendix RA-1 which i am going to sell. I seem to recall way back, Fair offered a power supply fir a variety of mil receivers. The chassis inside is very nearly done.
tnx, Hue Miller



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From kgordon2006 at frontier.com  Tue Jun 28 00:24:57 2022
From: kgordon2006 at frontier.com (Kenneth G. Gordon)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 21:24:57 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Is this a Fair Radio built PS ?
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On 28 Jun 2022 at 2:38, Hubert Miller wrote:

> This was with a Bendix RA-1 which i am going to sell. I seem to recall way back, Fair offered a 
> power supply fir a variety of mil receivers. The chassis inside is very nearly done.?
> tnx, Hue Miller

Yes. That is a Fair Radio built power supply. Looks like it is missing a part. Either a 'phone 
jack or a switch. I have, or "had", several of those made specifically for an "ARC-5" receiver. I 
think I have one left. I also had a fairly large number of their "ARC-5" powersupplies which 
were built on a dynamotor base and were meant to be installed where the dynamotor was.

I sold all but, I think, 3, on eBay. I think one or two folks on the ARC5 list bought one or two.

Both the small power-supplies and the larger ones which look like yours used special power 
transformers which Fair Radio had especially built for them. They all had 24 VAC instead of 
12V or 6.3V windings.

Ken W7EKB

From arc5 at ix.netcom.com  Tue Jun 28 05:21:42 2022
From: arc5 at ix.netcom.com (David Stinson)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 04:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] Anyone Heard From Taigh Ramey?
Message-ID: <be0bddde-eb79-a0ef-c556-a488f5a50b9b@ix.netcom.com>

Anyone Heard From Taigh Ramey?  I have the
ATB/ARB gear for that PBY project.

73 Dave AB5S

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From mstangelo at comcast.net  Tue Jun 28 20:54:51 2022
From: mstangelo at comcast.net (mstangelo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 20:54:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Milsurplus] Communications Issues in Ukraine
Message-ID: <1077597348.1238054.1656464091297@connect.xfinity.com>

The New York Times had an interesting article about communications issues on the Ukranian War:

<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/world/europe/ukraine-army-russia.html>

Mike N2MS

From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 11:52:13 2022
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:52:13 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY Variations
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO8S+m4MWA0JoML6fOd5fc5Ar13t9MEogxxj77aUbFoHkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to find out what changes were
implemented over the life of the TBY radio.

Web searches have been fruitless.

Also, still looking for a copy of the TBY-2
Manual. Fair Radio has nothing available.

Tnx for any assistance,

73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From kargo_cult at msn.com  Wed Jun 29 14:43:33 2022
From: kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:43:33 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY Variations
Message-ID: <CO6PR19MB54342ED5F7B2AAB62F7E563BE4BB9@CO6PR19MB5434.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>


I think i would also post this question on the G503 military vehicle enthusiast site, on the "Radio's" ( their spelling ) forum. There are ppl there really into detail like that. I think you can probably just use any TBY-* version manual. The dial lights on the early contracts are the only real difference.

Btw, one of the military history magazines now out has a decent article on "Communications snafu at Tarawa". Not actual title, and as i have great disorder here as i go thru books for disposal, i can't find it right now. I seem to recall it said Navy started buying TBY in 1940. That means shortly after Westinghouse announced this model 'HR' radio for the civilian organizations market the same year. The Navy had the TBY top frequency raised. Maybe the HR was even one single band.
Hue Miller


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From pfthekan at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 23:29:21 2022
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 20:29:21 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY 2 manual
Message-ID: <CAK4LMKOyBS0YeL6=8mchoGy89A38=7fXAwSkRuSZovCV9c38ag@mail.gmail.com>

I believe it was someone on this reflector  that was  looking for the TBY 2
manual  wanting some info from it. I found mine and you can email me.
Paul
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From wa5cab at cs.com  Thu Jun 30 00:05:48 2022
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 23:05:48 -0500
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO9A0ZBAUXwBOQj9CGK-s=hKeiuL4X+KcXKPgAJAckqN1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC5FBO9A0ZBAUXwBOQj9CGK-s=hKeiuL4X+KcXKPgAJAckqN1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d401d88c36$af06f120$0d14d360$@com>

The earliest that I have is for the TBY-4. Dated 12/19/42.  If you find an earlier one, please let me know the date.  Seems that I recall a major change to the TBY antenna occurred between TBY-3 and TBY-4.  So the TBY-4 manual might be confusing.

 

 

Robert Downs

 

From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Solomon
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 13:20
To: MilSurplus
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual

 

Any idea where I can locate a copy of the 

manual for the TBY-2 (CRI-43007) ?

 

Tnx es 73, Dick, W1KSZ

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From pfthekan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 00:10:43 2022
From: pfthekan at gmail.com (Paul Thekan)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 21:10:43 -0700
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
In-Reply-To: <00d401d88c36$af06f120$0d14d360$@com>
References: <CAC5FBO9A0ZBAUXwBOQj9CGK-s=hKeiuL4X+KcXKPgAJAckqN1g@mail.gmail.com>
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Robert my TBY 2 manual is dated
January 8, 1941

Paul


On Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 9:06 PM Robert Downs via Milsurplus <
milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The earliest that I have is for the TBY-4. Dated 12/19/42.  If you find an
> earlier one, please let me know the date.  Seems that I recall a major
> change to the TBY antenna occurred between TBY-3 and TBY-4.  So the TBY-4
> manual might be confusing.
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert Downs
>
>
>
> *From:* milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *Richard Solomon
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2022 13:20
> *To:* MilSurplus
> *Subject:* [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
>
>
>
> Any idea where I can locate a copy of the
>
> manual for the TBY-2 (CRI-43007) ?
>
>
>
> Tnx es 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From Kargo_cult at msn.com  Thu Jun 30 01:35:15 2022
From: Kargo_cult at msn.com (Hubert Miller)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:35:15 +0000
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
In-Reply-To: <00d401d88c36$af06f120$0d14d360$@com>
References: <CAC5FBO9A0ZBAUXwBOQj9CGK-s=hKeiuL4X+KcXKPgAJAckqN1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<00d401d88c36$af06f120$0d14d360$@com>
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I forgot about the antenna change. The later ones went to a rotating circular antenna insulator, and the base antenna section has a large spring in it.
No doubt from lessons learned in action. I can?t recall if early or late had painted on ?nameplate? or an actual nameplate riveted on. I also wonder
If the ones with the 2 front panel lamps had less, or even no radium.
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From navy.radio at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 08:55:10 2022
From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 08:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
In-Reply-To: <CAK4LMKO4q=bOnRdmYwk=FTA8RJF9mLoo8H4y7-BsYuGpvaoRrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC5FBO9A0ZBAUXwBOQj9CGK-s=hKeiuL4X+KcXKPgAJAckqN1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<00d401d88c36$af06f120$0d14d360$@com>
	<CAK4LMKO4q=bOnRdmYwk=FTA8RJF9mLoo8H4y7-BsYuGpvaoRrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB55hNcVaM3tyK7LaxN2SWrM3hpBgABQrX3rL=_2j5cn_VmVLQ@mail.gmail.com>

The ESO catalog lists these manuals. Are 95299 and 95996 the only NAVSHIPS
numbers?

NAVSHIPS 95299: Technical Manual for Model TBY and Model TBY-1
Ultra-Portable Ultra- High Frequency Transmitting-Receiving Equipment
.
Technical Manual for Navy Model TBY-2 Ultra- Portable Ultra-High Frequency
Transmitting-Receiving Equipment.

Technical Manual for Navy Model TBY-4 Ultra- Portable Very-High Frequency
Transmit-
ting-Receiving Equipment.

Technical Manual for Navy Model TBY-6 Ultra-
Portable Very-High Frequency Transmit-
ting-Receiving Equipment.

NAVSHIPS 95596: Technical Manual for Navy
Model TBY-8 Ultra-Portable Very-High Fre- quency Transmitting-Receiving
Equipment

The TBY-5 entry also points to  95299.

No mention of TBY-3?.

Any additional info on manual dates etc is appreciated. I?ll add to my TBY
page at
https://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/tby.htm

Cheers
Nick K4NYW

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 12:12 AM Paul Thekan <pfthekan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert my TBY 2 manual is dated
> January 8, 1941
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 9:06 PM Robert Downs via Milsurplus <
> milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> The earliest that I have is for the TBY-4. Dated 12/19/42.  If you find
>> an earlier one, please let me know the date.  Seems that I recall a major
>> change to the TBY antenna occurred between TBY-3 and TBY-4.  So the TBY-4
>> manual might be confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Downs
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
>> milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *Richard Solomon
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2022 13:20
>> *To:* MilSurplus
>> *Subject:* [Milsurplus] TBY-2 Manual
>>
>>
>>
>> Any idea where I can locate a copy of the
>>
>> manual for the TBY-2 (CRI-43007) ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tnx es 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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Nick England K4NYW
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